Re: [css-d] CSS Via Conditional Comments for Safari?
David Laakso wrote: On 12/24/2011 3:20 PM, david wrote: Philip TAYLOR wrote: Barney Carroll wrote: I am incredibly pretentious ;) You think you really have to tell us that, having already written : there are no credible user personas who fire up Windows and Mac to make sure their experience of a site has bitmap parity ???! :-) I just thought of one ... Web designers. I suspect most everyone else pretty much uses only one browser on one platform at a time. Although a growing number use both a desktop PC OS and a smartphone. That's nice. How dose that help OP? And if the OP is not concerned about it, now... just why did she write about it in the first place? In my estimation the font in question remains a real-world problem and ignoring that issue for a reason that happens to be convenient at the moment does not make it go away. I didn't say anything about ignoring it. Just mentioned it cuz site visitors who visit using one of the OS/browser combos that shows the font the way the designer likes it won't know that it has problems on some other combo. I'm boring when it comes to fonts. Can I read it comfortably without having to zoom it out-out-out-out-out-out? Fine, that's all I need from a font. -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Via Conditional Comments for Safari?
Elli Vizcaino wrote: That's nice. How dose that help OP? And if the OP is not concerned about it, now... just why did she write about it in the first place? In my estimation the font in question remains a real-world problem and ignoring that issue for a reason that happens to be convenient at the moment does not make it go away. Because I thought there was a way to fix make fonts identical via Safari conditional comments - something I've come to learn is strictly for IE browsers only. After seeing the screen shot that Phillipe posted I deemed it wasn't as bad as I thought just on my windows version of Safari and some other browser Phillipe pointed to which has low usage. I agree with what Barney had to say and I think he is 100% right! Sorry David but this is not about ignoring a real world issue for reasons that happen to be convenient at the moment. I don't think anyone ever has designed/build a website to render 100% identical across every single browser in existence. One has to decide at what point it's good enough and what one can live with, you just don't happen to agree... I saw one once. I think someone on this or webdesign-l mentioned it as a joke. Every single character on the page was done as an in-line image of their chosen font at their chosen font size (and color). ;-) -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Via Conditional Comments for Safari?
Hiya Elli,
I see 4 obvious ways out to the problem. You may feel uncomfortable with all of
them but they could help you get a conceptual grip on how to deal with the
situation as a thought exercise.
1) Install FontForge (open source and free to use), open up the font in
question, and through a system of trial and error, tweak the glyph outlines
such that you have a version which appears under Windows ClearType as the
original does under Mac OS X (you may have to play with resolution-dependent
hinting settings — don't know how to do that, but it's certainly possible using
free software). Once the new font achieves the desired effect, save it with a
different name and put it through FontSquirrels @font-face generator or
onlinefontconverter.com to get multiple formats. Then in your markup, insert
the following code in the head:
script
(function(c){
if(navigator.platform.indexOf('Win')===0)
c(c()+' windows';
}(function(c){
var h = document.lastChild;
return c ? h.className = c : h.className;
}));
/script
Then change your CSS to feature special rules pointing Windows users to the new
font:
html.windows body {
font-family: newfont, oldfont, etc;
}
The obvious disadvantages here are the unknown amount of discovery work
necessary to competently create the new font and the JavaScript dependency in
handing the right rules to the right users. Obviously you may have nowhere near
the time to contemplate this.
2) Rely on the JS and CSS technique exemplified above to make the windows
operating system identifiable in your stylesheets, but simply change the font
colour's relative lightness and saturation to darker/stronger for Windows
users, giving the optical impression that both rasterising systems display the
glyphs with equivalent weight.
3) Decide that the font in question, as with many, simply doesn't reliably
cater for common use cases, and resolve to find a similar one with better
cross-browser display parity (or throw the baby out with the bathwater, take
the site back to the design phase, and choose an unrelated font that fits the
technical requirements).
4) Accept that font-rendering APIs will always differ, and that there is only
so much you should be prepared to do to compensate for OS' disparities; also
bearing in mind that there are no credible user personas who fire up Windows
and Mac to make sure their experience of a site has bitmap parity across
platforms, decide that the results on both platforms are independently
acceptable, and it is not a web developer's job to fix fonts or operating
systems.
I would describe this as a question of professional philosophy, but then I am
incredibly pretentious ;)
Regards,
Barney Carroll
(+44) 742 9177 278
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Re: [css-d] CSS Via Conditional Comments for Safari?
Barney Carroll wrote: I am incredibly pretentious ;) You think you really have to tell us that, having already written : there are no credible user personas who fire up Windows and Mac to make sure their experience of a site has bitmap parity ???! :-) Philip Taylor __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Via Conditional Comments for Safari?
Philip TAYLOR wrote: Barney Carroll wrote: I am incredibly pretentious ;) You think you really have to tell us that, having already written : there are no credible user personas who fire up Windows and Mac to make sure their experience of a site has bitmap parity ???! :-) I just thought of one ... Web designers. I suspect most everyone else pretty much uses only one browser on one platform at a time. Although a growing number use both a desktop PC OS and a smartphone. -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Via Conditional Comments for Safari?
Hiya Elli, I see 4 obvious ways out to the problem. You may feel uncomfortable with all of them but they could help you get a conceptual grip on how to deal with the situation as a thought exercise 4) Accept that font-rendering APIs will always differ, and that there is only so much you should be prepared to do to compensate for OS' disparities; also bearing in mind that there are no credible user personas who fire up Windows and Mac to make sure their experience of a site has bitmap parity across platforms, decide that the results on both platforms are independently acceptable, and it is not a web developer's job to fix fonts or operating systems. I would describe this as a question of professional philosophy, but then I am incredibly pretentious ;) Regards, Barney Carroll (+44) 742 9177 278 Thanks Barney for all your suggestions!!! Given where I'm at with this project, which is close to being finish. I'm opting with #4. It never fails that with every site project I embark on there's something new to discover or learn. Really value your input - really appreciate you chiming in :)). Elli Vizcaino Helping artists, entrepreneurs and small businesses knock the socks off the competition! http://www.e7flux.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Via Conditional Comments for Safari?
That's nice. How dose that help OP? And if the OP is not concerned about it, now... just why did she write about it in the first place? In my estimation the font in question remains a real-world problem and ignoring that issue for a reason that happens to be convenient at the moment does not make it go away. Because I thought there was a way to fix make fonts identical via Safari conditional comments - something I've come to learn is strictly for IE browsers only. After seeing the screen shot that Phillipe posted I deemed it wasn't as bad as I thought just on my windows version of Safari and some other browser Phillipe pointed to which has low usage. I agree with what Barney had to say and I think he is 100% right! Sorry David but this is not about ignoring a real world issue for reasons that happen to be convenient at the moment. I don't think anyone ever has designed/build a website to render 100% identical across every single browser in existence. One has to decide at what point it's good enough and what one can live with, you just don't happen to agree... Elli Vizcaino Helping artists, entrepreneurs and small businesses knock the socks off the competition! http://www.e7flux.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Via Conditional Comments for Safari?
Gecko 1.9.2 and Safari 5.1/ Chrome dev channel all render the same. A nightly Firefox build and Opera render the 'Little Days' font differently (and differently from each other). The issue is that your 'Little Days' font is a 'normal weight' face, but your stylesheet specifies that it should be bold. As you don't provide a 'bold weight' face, browsers simulate the bolding artificially (and do a poop job in some cases). here is a test case: http://dev.l-c-n.com/_temp/ev-20111223.html and a screen shot - from left: Safari, Opera, Firefox 9: http://dev.l-c-n.com/_temp/ev-20111223.png Yes the Little Day font is of normal-weight, it's a free commercial font that came with only that weight family. I think this is a case of the Mac OS engine rendering fonts differently, period as it always seems to be the case w Mac versus Windows OS. The font smoothing or anti alias that it adds to the font is what causes it to have a heavier appearance even when fonts are specified at normal weight. I took screen shots of your test case on my Windows 7 machine, on four different browsers: FF, Opera, Google Safari for Windows. All fonts got rendered the identically except for the Little Day font w bold in Safari. If you compare my screenshots side by side with the ones you took off your Mac you'll see that even at a normal weight the font smoothing/anti aliasing of Mac causes what is already a very light weigh font to look slightly bold. Even the Candara font at normal weight in Mac are heavier than they are on my machine. Obviously this is beyond a pure CSS fix. I will have to resort to programming for this. http://www.e7flux.com/clients/sof/ff-opera-google-safari.jpg btw, I also would suggest to split up your @font-face block, as I did in the test case. Your way of doing it is strange, although the validator doesn't puke on it. Philippe Please explain why you're surprised the validator didn't puke on it? Was the way I wrote it incorrect? And what makes your way the better way? Elli Vizcaino Helping artists, entrepreneurs and small businesses knock the socks off the competition! http://www.e7flux.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Via Conditional Comments for Safari?
I think this is a case of the Mac OS engine rendering fonts differently, period as it always seems to be the case w Mac versus Windows OS. Elli Vizcaino Fwiw, the webfont renders just fine in Windows or OS X as far as I can tell... http://chelseacreekstudio.com/z/ ~d __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Via Conditional Comments for Safari?
Fwiw, the webfont renders just fine in Windows or OS X as far as I can tell... http://chelseacreekstudio.com/z/ ~d Fine as in legible, sure but not identically. The appearance of fonts on Mac OS tend to be slightly on the bolder side. Elli Vizcaino __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Via Conditional Comments for Safari?
On 12/23/2011 5:43 PM, Elli Vizcaino wrote: Fwiw, the webfont renders just fine in Windows or OS X as far as I can tell... http://chelseacreekstudio.com/z/ ~d Fine as in legible, sure but not identically. The appearance of fonts on Mac OS tend to be slightly on the bolder side. Elli Vizcaino It is a given that fonts render denser in OS X. The webfont [@font-face] is AngelinaRegular in the given example. It is a fairly consistent weight cross OSes and cross browsers. You can change the look and feel of it -- or any other open source free-font -- only by changing its color. Attempts to change the weight is an exercise in futility. My suggestion is to use one webfont. It does not necessarily need to be Angelina, and use a color -- rather than font-weight -- change for emphasis. The other way around it is to *buy one appropriate* webfont that has more than one font-weight. Either way, Font Squirrel may be your best bet for finding and setting whatever it is you finally come up with... Good luck and best wishes, ~d __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Via Conditional Comments for Safari?
On Dec 24, 2011, at 3:25 AM, Elli Vizcaino wrote: here is a test case: http://dev.l-c-n.com/_temp/ev-20111223.html and a screen shot - from left: Safari, Opera, Firefox 9: http://dev.l-c-n.com/_temp/ev-20111223.png Yes the Little Day font is of normal-weight, it's a free commercial font that came with only that weight family. I think this is a case of the Mac OS engine rendering fonts differently, period as it always seems to be the case w Mac versus Windows OS. You missed the point: given that the font only has one weight available, you're completely depending on with the browser does with artificial 'bolding'. The font smoothing or anti alias that it adds to the font is what causes it to have a heavier appearance even when fonts are specified at normal weight. I took screen shots of your test case on my Windows 7 machine, on four different browsers: FF, Opera, Google Safari for Windows. All fonts got rendered the identically except for the Little Day font w bold in Safari. Which version of Firefox did you use ? I seem to recall you mentioning Firefox 3.6 in previous threads. Would be nice to know if Firefox 9 gives the same results. Ditto Opera. And fwiw, on Win XP, Safari 5.1 and Firefox 9 render the bolding the same way. The normal weight looks even more pixelated than on Win 7. If you compare my screenshots side by side with the ones you took off your Mac you'll see that even at a normal weight the font smoothing/anti aliasing of Mac causes what is already a very light weigh font to look slightly bold. It doesn't look bold at all. Different then Win 7, sure, but any font will give the same difference. Little Day is quite pixelated in your screenshots. Even the Candara font at normal weight in Mac are heavier than they are on my machine. Obviously this is beyond a pure CSS fix. I will have to resort to programming for this. Why do you need a 'fix' for that ? Fwiw, rendering on Linux Ubuntu 11.10 with Chromium and Firefox is different than on Win 7. Smoother (maybe you'll call it 'bolder'). http://dev.l-c-n.com/_temp/ev-20111223/chrome_fx-ubuntu11.10.png (Chromium is on top, Fx at the bottom) Philippe -- Philippe Wittenbergh http://l-c-n.com/ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] CSS Via Conditional Comments for Safari?
Hello CSS Discuss, Is there a way to serve Safari browsers a browser specific stylesheet via conditional comments? If so, how do I do set it up? My reason being that since by default Safari tends to render fonts with a bold weight, it's making the custom script font in this site: http://www.e7flux.com/clients/sof/ even bolder. I need the font-weight set to bold for all the other browsers but, don't need it for Safari due to the aforementioned. TIA! Elli Vizcaino Helping artists, entrepreneurs and small businesses knock the socks off the competition! http://www.e7flux.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Via Conditional Comments for Safari?
Elli, I don't have Safari here, so can't really replicate the issue, but: 1) Conditional comments are strictly IE phenomenon AFAIK. 2) What about Stokely Safari hack or Giant Island (I think that's how the successor to Stokely was called)? http://www.stormdetector.com/hacks/safarihack.html http://www.giantisland.com/Resources/LitePacificHackforSafariAndIE7.aspx 3) Or, if you're after browser-specific CSSes, why not use CSS Browser Selector? It's JS, true, but light (really little number of code lines), open source (so no cost and easy to say what's inside). http://rafael.adm.br/css_browser_selector/ 4) Finally, while looking for conditional comments for Safari to be certain of point 1), I found few dozen links that said there are none and this one here, about *CSS* conditional comments: http://code.adonline.id.au/css-conditional-comments-for-chrome-and-safari/ Hope this helps! pozdrawiam, Tomasz Borek __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Via Conditional Comments for Safari?
On Dec 23, 2011, at 7:52 AM, Elli Vizcaino wrote: Is there a way to serve Safari browsers a browser specific stylesheet via conditional comments? If so, how do I do set it up? As noted Conditional Comments are IE only. There are a variety of 'hacks' floating around to target WebKit. As with all hacks, they'll bite you back at some point. My reason being that since by default Safari tends to render fonts with a bold weight, it's making the custom script font in this site: http://www.e7flux.com/clients/sof/ even bolder. I need the font-weight set to bold for all the other browsers but, don't need it for Safari due to the aforementioned. I have a hard time understanding what you mean by this. Safari renders your fonts just the same as any other browser. The only I might imagine being a reason for your problem is a configuration of your copy of Safari on Windows: Safari has a preference to use different font-smoothing settings, one (the default) matches what Windows OS uses, another one simulates, eventually, something that looks like the rendering on OS X. Philippe -- Philippe Wittenbergh http://l-c-n.com/ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Via Conditional Comments for Safari?
On 12/22/2011 5:52 PM, Elli Vizcaino wrote: http://www.e7flux.com/clients/sof/ I need the font-weight set to bold for all the other browsers but, don't need it for Safari due to the aforementioned. Elli Vizcaino Try specifying -- font-weight:normal; -- on the appropriate selectors. Reload Safari. ~d __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Via Conditional Comments for Safari?
I need the font-weight set to bold for all the other browsers but, don't need it for Safari due to the aforementioned. Elli Vizcaino Try specifying -- font-weight:normal; -- on the appropriate selectors. Reload Safari. ~d David, I think what you're suggesting will NOT render the fonts how I want them. I have a hard time understanding what you mean by this. Safari renders your fonts just the same as any other browser. The only I might imagine being a reason for your problem is a configuration of your copy of Safari on Windows: Safari has a preference to use different font-smoothing settings, one (the default) matches what Windows OS uses, another one simulates, eventually, something that looks like the rendering on OS X. Philippe -- Philippe Wittenbergh http://l-c-n.com/ I've uploaded a screen shot of both browsers side by side. Safari on windows and FF. As you can see, in Safari it is rendered a lot more bolder/heavier than in FF and the rest of the browsers I've checked (chrome, ie, opera). This has always been my experience w Safari render fonts even when viewing directly on a Mac. I really need the font to render like the rest of the browsers because that heavy weight is throwing my design off :(. http://www.e7flux.com/clients/sof/safari-ff-ss.jpg Elli Vizcaino Helping artists, entrepreneurs and small businesses knock the socks off the competition! http://www.e7flux.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Via Conditional Comments for Safari?
On Dec 23, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Elli Vizcaino wrote: This has always been my experience w Safari render fonts even when viewing directly on a Mac. I really need the font to render like the rest of the browsers because that heavy weight is throwing my design off :(. http://www.e7flux.com/clients/sof/safari-ff-ss.jpg As I said, check your Safari settings. Philippe -- Philippe Wittenbergh http://l-c-n.com/ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Via Conditional Comments for Safari?
On 2011-12-22, at 8:16 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: On Dec 23, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Elli Vizcaino wrote: This has always been my experience w Safari render fonts even when viewing directly on a Mac. I really need the font to render like the rest of the browsers because that heavy weight is throwing my design off :(. http://www.e7flux.com/clients/sof/safari-ff-ss.jpg As I said, check your Safari settings. I've had similar experiences in Safari (with its default settings!). Situations where I had to give some text-containing DIVs a fixed width, only to realize that in Safari, things would break horribly because some text was rendered differently -taking up more horizontal space- in Safari. Not just strange fonts, but also standard ones. mS __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Via Conditional Comments for Safari?
On Dec 23, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Elli Vizcaino wrote: This has always been my experience w Safari render fonts even when viewing directly on a Mac. I really need the font to render like the rest of the browsers because that heavy weight is throwing my design off :(. http://www.e7flux.com/clients/sof/safari-ff-ss.jpg As I said, check your Safari settings. Philippe -- Philippe Wittenbergh http://l-c-n.com/ So does this mean that on a Mac, the font looks like it does in FF? And I'm seeing something that safari is doing here on my windows machine? Elli Vizcaino Helping artists, entrepreneurs and small businesses knock the socks off the competition! http://www.e7flux.com __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Via Conditional Comments for Safari?
On Dec 23, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Elli Vizcaino wrote: This has always been my experience w Safari render fonts even when viewing directly on a Mac. I really need the font to render like the rest of the browsers because that heavy weight is throwing my design off :(. http://www.e7flux.com/clients/sof/safari-ff-ss.jpg As I said, check your Safari settings. Philippe -- Philippe Wittenbergh http://l-c-n.com/ Ok so I checked my settings and by default it's set to Windows Standard. How is this Windows standard when windows doesn't render the fonts with a bold weight like that. And how does this help my case in trying to get the font to render the same multi-browser? Elli __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Via Conditional Comments for Safari?
On 12/22/2011 5:52 PM, Elli Vizcaino wrote: http://www.e7flux.com/clients/sof/ Elli Vizcaino For whatever unknown reason Safari is not rendering the @font-face webfont in any version of OS Windows [as far as I can tell] as intended. An alternative solution may be to select another font. Try Font Squirel and use the expert setting with their @font-face generator. http://www.fontsquirrel.com/ ~d __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Via Conditional Comments for Safari?
On Dec 23, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Elli Vizcaino wrote: So does this mean that on a Mac, the font looks like it does in FF? And I'm seeing something that safari is doing here on my windows machine? Gecko 1.9.2 and Safari 5.1/ Chrome dev channel all render the same. A nightly Firefox build and Opera render the 'Little Days' font differently (and differently from each other). The issue is that your 'Little Days' font is a 'normal weight' face, but your stylesheet specifies that it should be bold. As you don't provide a 'bold weight' face, browsers simulate the bolding artificially (and do a poop job in some cases). here is a test case: http://dev.l-c-n.com/_temp/ev-20111223.html and a screen shot - from left: Safari, Opera, Firefox 9: http://dev.l-c-n.com/_temp/ev-20111223.png btw, I also would suggest to split up your @font-face block, as I did in the test case. Your way of doing it is strange, although the validator doesn't puke on it. Philippe -- Philippe Wittenbergh http://l-c-n.com/ __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
