Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding darktable user groups in northern Virginia

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Rob Campbell  [01-06-23 15:43]:
> I've updated my cameras.xml but that didn't resolve the issue.  It seems
> from the patch that the file should be located in data/cameras.xml but mine
> is rawspeed/camreas.xml
> 
> ~
> In all things, Be Intentional.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 11:52 AM Carlos Echenique 
> wrote:
> 
> > Send them some raw files from your Z9 and they will update the camera.xml
> > file tout suite. I did that for my Fuji X-H2 and X-H2s prior to that. You
> > can surf over to https://pixls.us
> > 
> > to see how to upload files to add support. You may have to manually install
> > the new cameras.xml file until it gets merged with the new profiles.
> > [image: photo]
> > Carlos Echenique
> > Photographer at  CE Photographic
> > P  305.219.2433  <305.219.2433>
> > E  car...@echenique.com  
> > W  cephotographic.com
> > 
> >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> > "Wine is constant proof that God loves us and loves to see us happy." -
> > Benjamin Franklin.
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> > On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 11:31 AM Rob Campbell 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I would be interested but I've added Z9 to my bag and I can't yet use DT
> >> with it.  I do still use it for my D850 shots.  I don't get out at all
> >> since CoViD but I may start peeking my head out this summer.  I'm all for
> >> online meetups in the meantime though.
> >>
> >> ~
> >> In all things, Be Intentional.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 11:43 AM Willy Williams 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've been wondering how many darktable users there are in the northern
> >>> Virginia area (Fairfax, Arlington, Alexandria, Loudoun Counties), and if
> >>> there's any interest in forming a local darktable user group via Meetup?
> >>> Thoughts?
> >>>
> >>> Willy Williams
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>   "When a photo of a person looks deep into your spirit and tells you a
> >>> thousand stories ...
> >>>   stories from your past even before you existed, then the photo is way
> >>> above any description."
> >>>
> >>>   - Sameh Elsayed
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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I believe /usr/share/darktable/rawspeed/cameras.xml is the installed
location on openSUSE Tumbleweed as that is where I find it.  

the build puts it:  share/darktable/rawspeed/cameras.xml which would be
the same.


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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding darktable user groups in northern Virginia

[Rob Campbell]

I've updated my cameras.xml but that didn't resolve the issue.  It seems
from the patch that the file should be located in data/cameras.xml but mine
is rawspeed/camreas.xml

~
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On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 11:52 AM Carlos Echenique 
wrote:

> Send them some raw files from your Z9 and they will update the camera.xml
> file tout suite. I did that for my Fuji X-H2 and X-H2s prior to that. You
> can surf over to https://pixls.us
> 
> to see how to upload files to add support. You may have to manually install
> the new cameras.xml file until it gets merged with the new profiles.
> [image: photo]
> Carlos Echenique
> Photographer at  CE Photographic
> P  305.219.2433  <305.219.2433>
> E  car...@echenique.com  
> W  cephotographic.com
> 
>
> 
> 
> 
>
> "Wine is constant proof that God loves us and loves to see us happy." -
> Benjamin Franklin.
> Create your own email signature
> 
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 11:31 AM Rob Campbell 
> wrote:
>
>> I would be interested but I've added Z9 to my bag and I can't yet use DT
>> with it.  I do still use it for my D850 shots.  I don't get out at all
>> since CoViD but I may start peeking my head out this summer.  I'm all for
>> online meetups in the meantime though.
>>
>> ~
>> In all things, Be Intentional.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 11:43 AM Willy Williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been wondering how many darktable users there are in the northern
>>> Virginia area (Fairfax, Arlington, Alexandria, Loudoun Counties), and if
>>> there's any interest in forming a local darktable user group via Meetup?
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Willy Williams
>>> --
>>>
>>>   "When a photo of a person looks deep into your spirit and tells you a
>>> thousand stories ...
>>>   stories from your past even before you existed, then the photo is way
>>> above any description."
>>>
>>>   - Sameh Elsayed
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding darktable user groups in northern Virginia

[Rob Campbell]

I think that would be a good session.  I know in some of my photography
groups they reserve space in the Fairfax library which I've attended a few
times but for now, I would just attend virtually.  I could use some
workflow tips.  I have 10s of thousands of photos I haven't even looked at
again because I don't have a good workflow.  I just remember "oh, on this
day I shot this photo; let me find that and edit htat".  I don't do a shoot
and then work on the entire shoot (unless it's for a friend).  But the lack
of a workflow is why I this is just a hobby for me and not a business.

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On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 1:29 PM Willy Williams  wrote:

> So far, only one response, but the year is young.  I'm thinking that it
> might be nice to share how we individually configure darktable to our
> unique needs, and to see how varied our individual workflows are.
>
> Willy
>
> **
> On 1/6/2023 at 11:30, Rob Campbell wrote:
>
> I would be interested but I've added Z9 to my bag and I can't yet use DT
> with it.  I do still use it for my D850 shots.  I don't get out at all
> since CoViD but I may start peeking my head out this summer.  I'm all for
> online meetups in the meantime though.
>
> ~
> In all things, Be Intentional.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 11:43 AM Willy Williams 
> wrote:
>
>> I've been wondering how many darktable users there are in the northern
>> Virginia area (Fairfax, Arlington, Alexandria, Loudoun Counties), and if
>> there's any interest in forming a local darktable user group via Meetup?
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Willy Williams
>> --
>>
>>   "When a photo of a person looks deep into your spirit and tells you a
>> thousand stories ...
>>   stories from your past even before you existed, then the photo is way
>> above any description."
>>
>>   - Sameh Elsayed
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding darktable user groups in northern Virginia

[Rob Campbell]

I would be interested but I've added Z9 to my bag and I can't yet use DT
with it.  I do still use it for my D850 shots.  I don't get out at all
since CoViD but I may start peeking my head out this summer.  I'm all for
online meetups in the meantime though.

~
In all things, Be Intentional.


On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 11:43 AM Willy Williams 
wrote:

> I've been wondering how many darktable users there are in the northern
> Virginia area (Fairfax, Arlington, Alexandria, Loudoun Counties), and if
> there's any interest in forming a local darktable user group via Meetup?
> Thoughts?
>
> Willy Williams
> --
>
>   "When a photo of a person looks deep into your spirit and tells you a
> thousand stories ...
>   stories from your past even before you existed, then the photo is way
> above any description."
>
>   - Sameh Elsayed
>
> --
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Question re: database snapshots

[Willy Williams]

The settings on both the "A" and "B" machines are identical.  They sit 
side-by-side, so it's easy to compare.  I've even done a search to see 
if the snap files were in a different folder on the "A" machine, to no 
avail.


Willy Williams

***

On 12/11/2022 at 13:26, Bernhard wrote:

you are sure that the settings in "Storage" are really the same?
https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs/en/preferences-settings/storage/#database 





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Re: [darktable-user] Question re: database snapshots

[Bernhard]

you are sure that the settings in "Storage" are really the same?
https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs/en/preferences-settings/storage/#database

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Marc Cabuy schrieb am 11.12.22 um 18:18:

Hello Willy, I have relocated the database within the hierarchy of the
pictures folder. I back it up through 2 methods : 1. With the file history
of Win 10; 2. With a regular scheduled backup of all my data. If you like
I'll document this in more detail and send/share it.
Marc.

Op zo 11 dec. 2022 17:38 schreef Willy Williams :


I have darktable installed on two Windows 10 machines, with virtually
identical configurations on both, yet the "A" machine does not create the
database snapshots called for in the configuration while the "B" machine
does create the backups as configured.  As mentioned, both use the
configuration as shown below.


Anybody have a clue as to whether I missed something somewhere that could
be obstructing the creation of snapshots on the "A" machine?

Willy Williams
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Re: [darktable-user] Question re: database snapshots

[Marc Cabuy]

Hello Willy, I have relocated the database within the hierarchy of the
pictures folder. I back it up through 2 methods : 1. With the file history
of Win 10; 2. With a regular scheduled backup of all my data. If you like
I'll document this in more detail and send/share it.
Marc.

Op zo 11 dec. 2022 17:38 schreef Willy Williams :

> I have darktable installed on two Windows 10 machines, with virtually
> identical configurations on both, yet the "A" machine does not create the
> database snapshots called for in the configuration while the "B" machine
> does create the backups as configured.  As mentioned, both use the
> configuration as shown below.
>
>
> Anybody have a clue as to whether I missed something somewhere that could
> be obstructing the creation of snapshots on the "A" machine?
>
> Willy Williams
> --
>
>   "When a photo of a person looks deep into your spirit and tells you a
> thousand stories ...
>   stories from your past even before you existed, then the photo is way
> above any description."
>
>   - Sameh Elsayed
>
> --
>
>
>
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Re: [darktable-user] Question about DT Color-Science + Bayer-Filters

[Remco Viëtor]

On dimanche 4 septembre 2022 08:33:02 CEST Jan Ingwer Baer wrote:
> Thank you for your answer, but i am a little bit confused. In the input
> color profile i can choose between standard color matrix, enhanced color
> matrix and different fixed input profiles (sRGB, AdobeRGB, Rec2020,
> etc). But i cant see any camera specific color profile. Is the camera
> specific profile 'under-the-hood'?
The dt manual says:
"Where an image has been captured in a raw file, the input color profile 
module will normally apply either a standard or enhanced color matrix 
*specific for that camera model*, ..." (emphasis added).
(https://docs.darktable.org/usermanual/3.8/en/module-reference/processing-modules/input-color-profile/)

Unless you know what you are doing, stay away from the fixed colour spaces 
with raw files.

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Re: [darktable-user] Question about DT Color-Science + Bayer-Filters

[Jan Ingwer Baer]

Thank you for your answer, but i am a little bit confused. In the input
color profile i can choose between standard color matrix, enhanced color
matrix and different fixed input profiles (sRGB, AdobeRGB, Rec2020,
etc). But i cant see any camera specific color profile. Is the camera
specific profile 'under-the-hood'?

On 04-Sep-22 00:21, Guillermo Rozas wrote:

The camera-color space to working-color space transformation is done at the
input color profile module (
https://docs.darktable.org/usermanual/4.0/en/module-reference/processing-modules/input-color-profile/).
DT ships individual color profiles for all supported cameras, but you can
also provide your own (for example, there are people that profile the
spectral response of their cameras with spectrometers...)
Regards,
Guillermo

On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 5:02 AM Jan Ingwer Baer  wrote:


Is there any point in DT where the different spectral response of the
Bayer-Filters of different cameras considered, or does the conversion
from raw-data to RGB-data treat all cameras equal?


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Re: [darktable-user] Question about DT Color-Science + Bayer-Filters

[Guillermo Rozas]

The camera-color space to working-color space transformation is done at the
input color profile module (
https://docs.darktable.org/usermanual/4.0/en/module-reference/processing-modules/input-color-profile/).
DT ships individual color profiles for all supported cameras, but you can
also provide your own (for example, there are people that profile the
spectral response of their cameras with spectrometers...)
Regards,
Guillermo

On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 5:02 AM Jan Ingwer Baer  wrote:

> Is there any point in DT where the different spectral response of the
> Bayer-Filters of different cameras considered, or does the conversion
> from raw-data to RGB-data treat all cameras equal?
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[darktable-user] Question about DT Color-Science + Bayer-Filters

[Jan Ingwer Baer]

Is there any point in DT where the different spectral response of the
Bayer-Filters of different cameras considered, or does the conversion
from raw-data to RGB-data treat all cameras equal?

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Re: [darktable-user] Question?

[I. Ivanov]

These are database backups

the only item of concern is how often they are done and for how long

https://docs.darktable.org/usermanual/3.8/en/preferences-settings/storage/

Some info on backups also in pixls

https://discuss.pixls.us/t/darktable-database-backup-best-practice/7916

Regards,

B


On 6/5/22 06:30, Willy Williams wrote:


I have two Windows 10 laptops, both running darktable 3.8.1. When I do 
weekly backups of the "B" machine, I see two distinctly different 
lists of files in \UserName\AppData\Local\darktable as shown below


and

.

These files seem to be generated automagically on ~two week 
increments.  I have compared the preferences on the "A" and "B" 
machines, and as far as I can see, there are no differences, yet this 
happens on one machine, but not the other.  Can anyone enlighten me on 
1) why this is happening, 2) what is the purpose of these files whose 
names contain "-snp-", and 3) how to make them consistent between 
machines, either present on both or absent on both?  So far, I've not 
found enlightenment in The Fine Manual.  Thanks for any insights.


Willy Williams

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding .svg watermarks comparing Windows and Ubuntu Linux

[Top Rock Photography]

No, Patrick. Not at all.

First,
There was a bug in darktable. I never did anything about it because I find
that the excellent darktable team is usually very quick to fix bugs without
my intervention, so I simply waited. (Usually when I go to make a bug
report, one has already been filed, examined, and closed, so I do not
actually have to do much of anything, except to either wait on the new
subversion to be published, or pull the updated source code and recompile.
Occasionally I make additional comments in the bug report for my particular
use case if it seems that the discussion seems to miss critical points,
e.g., someone suggests it is a bug limited to RH when I have the same issue
on Ubuntu, or a KDE issue when I have the issue in GNOME).

Second,
Having waited so long, and the bug is still there, and in light of Pascal
giving a workaround which does not work in all cases, (certainly not my
cases), I have decided to go ahead and make that bug report after all.

The first is a testament to how wonderful the darktable team has been in
the past. The second (and the first) is an admission that they are only
that wonderful because people like me make bug reports.

Your statements keep suggesting that I want someone else to file a bug
report on my behalf. Not at all the case. I was merely pointing out the
facts that
① The issue is neither that the SVG was created in Windows, nor missing
fonts.
② Converting the text to curves is not a workaround which everyone can use.
③ I have been aware of the bug for quite some time.
④ I did not make a bug report because I presumed the magnificent team would
have caught it.
⑤ It is high time that I make that bug report.

Not once did I suggest, or request, that anyone do something about it save
for myself. Points ①-③ is germane to the thread, and statements made
therein by others, including the OP. Points ③-⑤ goes to the fact that I
will get on this, by filing a formal bug report.

Sincerely,

Karim Hosein
Top Rock Photography
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On Wed, 4 May 2022 at 17:10, Patrick Shanahan  wrote:

> * Top Rock Photography  [05-04-22 16:40]:
> > Thank you, Michael. I also thought that was clear.
> >
> > To respond to the other two and give clarity; the penultimate paragraph
> > says, “I should have made a bug report….”
> >
> > That suggests that the last paragraph is referring to me making that bug
> > report, to make the amazing team aware of the problem, (and why it needs
> a
> > fix and not a workaround).
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Karim Hosein
> > Top Rock Photography
> > 754.999.1652
> >
> >
> so you want a bug report but cannot be bothered?
>
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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding .svg watermarks comparing Windows and Ubuntu Linux

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Top Rock Photography  [05-04-22 16:40]:
> Thank you, Michael. I also thought that was clear.
> 
> To respond to the other two and give clarity; the penultimate paragraph
> says, “I should have made a bug report….”
> 
> That suggests that the last paragraph is referring to me making that bug
> report, to make the amazing team aware of the problem, (and why it needs a
> fix and not a workaround).
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Karim Hosein
> Top Rock Photography
> 754.999.1652
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 4 May 2022 at 16:15, Michael  wrote:
> 
> > Gee I read that as he was going to issue a report.
> >
> > On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 3:19 PM Remco Viëtor 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On mercredi 4 mai 2022 02:38:36 CEST Top Rock Photography wrote:
> >> > The issue has nothing to do with Windows, nor fonts, and everything to
> >> do
> >> > with darktable.
> >> > I have only used Linux for the last umpteen years, and I had created
> >> some
> >> > watermarks —in Linux— to use with darktable. Everything was fine until
> >> the
> >> > 3.x branch. (may have been earlier).
> >> >
> >> > All my text, which looks great in any other SVG viewer, and used to look
> >> > great in darktable, now has overlapping characters. Converting the text
> >> to
> >> > a curve does not work, since the majority of my text is dynamic. $Title,
> >> > $Description, $date, $sequence-number, etc.
> >> >
> >> > I should have made a bug report, but, due to the excellent team at
> >> > darktable, I kept telling myself, “no problem, boss, dem soon fix dis.”
> >> >
> >> > Well, I think that it is time for a bug report.
> >>
> >> Then what's stopping you?
> >>
> >> *We* cannot do it for you, as we don't know exactly what you did/didn't
> >> do,
> >> nor do we know your system.
> >>
> >> And your mail certainly doesn't give enough info for a decent bug
> >> report...
> >>
> >> Remco
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding .svg watermarks comparing Windows and Ubuntu Linux

[Top Rock Photography]

Thank you, Michael. I also thought that was clear.

To respond to the other two and give clarity; the penultimate paragraph
says, “I should have made a bug report….”

That suggests that the last paragraph is referring to me making that bug
report, to make the amazing team aware of the problem, (and why it needs a
fix and not a workaround).

Sincerely,

Karim Hosein
Top Rock Photography
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On Wed, 4 May 2022 at 16:15, Michael  wrote:

> Gee I read that as he was going to issue a report.
>
> On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 3:19 PM Remco Viëtor 
> wrote:
>
>> On mercredi 4 mai 2022 02:38:36 CEST Top Rock Photography wrote:
>> > The issue has nothing to do with Windows, nor fonts, and everything to
>> do
>> > with darktable.
>> > I have only used Linux for the last umpteen years, and I had created
>> some
>> > watermarks —in Linux— to use with darktable. Everything was fine until
>> the
>> > 3.x branch. (may have been earlier).
>> >
>> > All my text, which looks great in any other SVG viewer, and used to look
>> > great in darktable, now has overlapping characters. Converting the text
>> to
>> > a curve does not work, since the majority of my text is dynamic. $Title,
>> > $Description, $date, $sequence-number, etc.
>> >
>> > I should have made a bug report, but, due to the excellent team at
>> > darktable, I kept telling myself, “no problem, boss, dem soon fix dis.”
>> >
>> > Well, I think that it is time for a bug report.
>>
>> Then what's stopping you?
>>
>> *We* cannot do it for you, as we don't know exactly what you did/didn't
>> do,
>> nor do we know your system.
>>
>> And your mail certainly doesn't give enough info for a decent bug
>> report...
>>
>> Remco
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding .svg watermarks comparing Windows and Ubuntu Linux

[Michael]

Gee I read that as he was going to issue a report.

On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 3:19 PM Remco Viëtor  wrote:

> On mercredi 4 mai 2022 02:38:36 CEST Top Rock Photography wrote:
> > The issue has nothing to do with Windows, nor fonts, and everything to do
> > with darktable.
> > I have only used Linux for the last umpteen years, and I had created some
> > watermarks —in Linux— to use with darktable. Everything was fine until
> the
> > 3.x branch. (may have been earlier).
> >
> > All my text, which looks great in any other SVG viewer, and used to look
> > great in darktable, now has overlapping characters. Converting the text
> to
> > a curve does not work, since the majority of my text is dynamic. $Title,
> > $Description, $date, $sequence-number, etc.
> >
> > I should have made a bug report, but, due to the excellent team at
> > darktable, I kept telling myself, “no problem, boss, dem soon fix dis.”
> >
> > Well, I think that it is time for a bug report.
>
> Then what's stopping you?
>
> *We* cannot do it for you, as we don't know exactly what you did/didn't
> do,
> nor do we know your system.
>
> And your mail certainly doesn't give enough info for a decent bug report...
>
> Remco
>
>
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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding .svg watermarks comparing Windows and Ubuntu Linux

[Remco Viëtor]

On mercredi 4 mai 2022 02:38:36 CEST Top Rock Photography wrote:
> The issue has nothing to do with Windows, nor fonts, and everything to do
> with darktable.
> I have only used Linux for the last umpteen years, and I had created some
> watermarks —in Linux— to use with darktable. Everything was fine until the
> 3.x branch. (may have been earlier).
> 
> All my text, which looks great in any other SVG viewer, and used to look
> great in darktable, now has overlapping characters. Converting the text to
> a curve does not work, since the majority of my text is dynamic. $Title,
> $Description, $date, $sequence-number, etc.
> 
> I should have made a bug report, but, due to the excellent team at
> darktable, I kept telling myself, “no problem, boss, dem soon fix dis.”
> 
> Well, I think that it is time for a bug report.

Then what's stopping you?

*We* cannot do it for you, as we don't know exactly what you did/didn't do, 
nor do we know your system.

And your mail certainly doesn't give enough info for a decent bug report...

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding .svg watermarks comparing Windows and Ubuntu Linux

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Top Rock Photography  [05-03-22 20:47]:
> Both previous images were created in darktable; one in 2017, the other just
> now.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Karim Hosein
> Top Rock Photography
> 754.999.1652
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 20:38, Top Rock Photography <
> ka...@toprockphotography.com> wrote:
> 
> > The issue has nothing to do with Windows, nor fonts, and everything to do
> > with darktable.
> > I have only used Linux for the last umpteen years, and I had created some
> > watermarks —in Linux— to use with darktable. Everything was fine until the
> > 3.x branch. (may have been earlier).
> >
> > All my text, which looks great in any other SVG viewer, and used to look
> > great in darktable, now has overlapping characters. Converting the text to
> > a curve does not work, since the majority of my text is dynamic. $Title,
> > $Description, $date, $sequence-number, etc.
> >
> > I should have made a bug report, but, due to the excellent team at
> > darktable, I kept telling myself, “no problem, boss, dem soon fix dis.”
> >
> > Well, I think that it is time for a bug report.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Karim Hosein
> > Top Rock Photography
> > 754.999.1652
> >
> >
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding .svg watermarks comparing Windows and Ubuntu Linux

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Top Rock Photography  [05-03-22 20:42]:
> The issue has nothing to do with Windows, nor fonts, and everything to do
> with darktable.
> I have only used Linux for the last umpteen years, and I had created some
> watermarks —in Linux— to use with darktable. Everything was fine until the
> 3.x branch. (may have been earlier).
> 
> All my text, which looks great in any other SVG viewer, and used to look
> great in darktable, now has overlapping characters. Converting the text to
> a curve does not work, since the majority of my text is dynamic. $Title,
> $Description, $date, $sequence-number, etc.
> 
> I should have made a bug report, but, due to the excellent team at
> darktable, I kept telling myself, “no problem, boss, dem soon fix dis.”
> 
> Well, I think that it is time for a bug report.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Karim Hosein
> Top Rock Photography
> 754.999.1652
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 at 21:43, Willy Williams  wrote:
> 
> > Question:
> >
> >  I have some .svg watermark files that were generated in Inkscape on
> > the Windows machines.  They work superbly when applied using darktable
> > on the Windows machines.  When I copy those same .svg files to the Linux
> > machine and put them in the correct place, then open them using the
> > Inkscape instance on the Linux machine, there is no apparent difference,
> > compared to the same files opened in Inkscape on the Windows machines.
> > That said, when I apply the .svg file watermarks to any image using
> > darktable on the Linux machine, the graphic "signature" is represented
> > perfectly, but the text portion is significantly shrunk side-to-side,
> > but only when applied using darktable.  Anybody have ideas regarding the
> > issue? Are there any fonts that do NOT work right when migrated from
> > Windows to Linux?  Inquiring minds want to know...
> >
> > Willy Williams
> >
> > --
> >
> >   "When a photo of a person looks deep into your spirit and tells you a
> > thousand stories ...
> >   stories from your past even before you existed, then the photo is way
> > above any description."
> >
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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding .svg watermarks comparing Windows and Ubuntu Linux

[Top Rock Photography]

Both previous images were created in darktable; one in 2017, the other just
now.

Sincerely,

Karim Hosein
Top Rock Photography
754.999.1652



On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 20:38, Top Rock Photography <
ka...@toprockphotography.com> wrote:

> The issue has nothing to do with Windows, nor fonts, and everything to do
> with darktable.
> I have only used Linux for the last umpteen years, and I had created some
> watermarks —in Linux— to use with darktable. Everything was fine until the
> 3.x branch. (may have been earlier).
>
> All my text, which looks great in any other SVG viewer, and used to look
> great in darktable, now has overlapping characters. Converting the text to
> a curve does not work, since the majority of my text is dynamic. $Title,
> $Description, $date, $sequence-number, etc.
>
> I should have made a bug report, but, due to the excellent team at
> darktable, I kept telling myself, “no problem, boss, dem soon fix dis.”
>
> Well, I think that it is time for a bug report.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Karim Hosein
> Top Rock Photography
> 754.999.1652
>
>


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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding .svg watermarks comparing Windows and Ubuntu Linux

[Jean-Luc]

Le 01/03/2022 à 18:48, Willy Williams a écrit :
Pascal, you were correct.  The watermark works well in Linux now.  
Thank you!


Willy Williams



On 3/1/22 at 12:15, Pascal Obry wrote:

Hello !

I believe that if you convert the text to a path all will work well.


Hello,


Does this mean that dt kerning handling differs according to the OS ?

Rgrds,

J.-Luc


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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding .svg watermarks comparing Windows and Ubuntu Linux

[Willy Williams]

Thank you, Pascal.  One more thing to learn.

Willy Williams

**

On 3/1/2022 at 12:15, Pascal Obry wrote:

Hello !

I believe that if you convert the text to a path all will work well.



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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding .svg watermarks comparing Windows and Ubuntu Linux

[Willy Williams]

Pascal, you were correct.  The watermark works well in Linux now.  Thank 
you!


Willy Williams



On 3/1/22 at 12:15, Pascal Obry wrote:

Hello !

I believe that if you convert the text to a path all will work well.



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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding .svg watermarks comparing Windows and Ubuntu Linux

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Hello !

I believe that if you convert the text to a path all will work well.

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding .svg watermarks comparing Windows and Ubuntu Linux

[Dieter Faulbaum]

Patrick Shanahan  writes:


* Willy Williams  [02-28-22 21:42]:

Question:

    I have some .svg watermark files that were generated in 
Inkscape on the
Windows machines.  They work superbly when applied using 
darktable on the
Windows machines.  When I copy those same .svg files to the 
Linux machine
and put them in the correct place, then open them using the 
Inkscape
instance on the Linux machine, there is no apparent difference, 
compared to
the same files opened in Inkscape on the Windows machines.  
That said, when
I apply the .svg file watermarks to any image using darktable 
on the Linux
machine, the graphic "signature" is represented perfectly, but 
the text
portion is significantly shrunk side-to-side, but only when 
applied using
darktable.  Anybody have ideas regarding the issue? Are there 
any fonts that
do NOT work right when migrated from Windows to Linux?  
Inquiring minds want

to know...


check which font is used one each machine.  match them and you 
may solve

your problem.


I had a similar problem after upgrading to librsvg-2.48.3
(from version 2.44.10, where it works fine).
Now I have version 2.52.5 and it seems to me, that the problem 
isn't
solved, although the issue 
(https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/librsvg/-/issues/599)
is marked as closed (maybe I should reopen it?-). 
The actual version of librsvg in Debian bookworm is 2.52.5

(the newest version is 2.53.1).
My actual libpango1.0 version is 1.50.4 (which is the newest).

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding .svg watermarks comparing Windows and Ubuntu Linux

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Willy Williams  [02-28-22 21:42]:
> Question:
> 
>     I have some .svg watermark files that were generated in Inkscape on the
> Windows machines.  They work superbly when applied using darktable on the
> Windows machines.  When I copy those same .svg files to the Linux machine
> and put them in the correct place, then open them using the Inkscape
> instance on the Linux machine, there is no apparent difference, compared to
> the same files opened in Inkscape on the Windows machines.  That said, when
> I apply the .svg file watermarks to any image using darktable on the Linux
> machine, the graphic "signature" is represented perfectly, but the text
> portion is significantly shrunk side-to-side, but only when applied using
> darktable.  Anybody have ideas regarding the issue? Are there any fonts that
> do NOT work right when migrated from Windows to Linux?  Inquiring minds want
> to know...

check which font is used one each machine.  match them and you may solve
your problem.

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[darktable-user] Question regarding .svg watermarks comparing Windows and Ubuntu Linux

[Willy Williams]

Question:

    I have some .svg watermark files that were generated in Inkscape on 
the Windows machines.  They work superbly when applied using darktable 
on the Windows machines.  When I copy those same .svg files to the Linux 
machine and put them in the correct place, then open them using the 
Inkscape instance on the Linux machine, there is no apparent difference, 
compared to the same files opened in Inkscape on the Windows machines.  
That said, when I apply the .svg file watermarks to any image using 
darktable on the Linux machine, the graphic "signature" is represented 
perfectly, but the text portion is significantly shrunk side-to-side, 
but only when applied using darktable.  Anybody have ideas regarding the 
issue? Are there any fonts that do NOT work right when migrated from 
Windows to Linux?  Inquiring minds want to know...


Willy Williams

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Re: [darktable-user] Question about exposure and blend mode

[Terry Pinfold]

Hi Niranjan,
  hopefully someone else will provide a more enlightened answer. I
tried the method you suggested on a couple of images. With a 'normal' image
it blew away the whites by increasing contrast. With an extremely hazy
landscape image taken with a long lens in a dusty desert it did a nice job
of restoring the contrast of the image. However, the haze removal module
did as good or better job with this hazy image when I used a very high
strength value.

The user manual for DT has this to say about the blend mode of multiple:

multiplyMultiply the pixel values of the input and output together. When
blending in display-referred color spaces, pixel values are between 0 and
1.0, the final output will be clamped and will always be darker. When
blending in the “RGB (scene)” color space, this value is further multiplied
by a value proportional to the “blend fulcrum”. In this case, values may be
greater than 1.0 and therefore brighten the base image. This may have other
side-effects, such as updating the white point in the filmic module.

Multiply blending simulates an optical variable density filter, where the
density is defined by the output of the module. It has many applications,
from blooming and local contrast enhancements (when used with a blur or
low-pass filter) to dodging/burning and global contrast enhancements (when
used with exposure). The fulcrum sets the output intensity threshold
between darkening and brightening (any RGB value below fulcrum will darken).

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 at 16:49, Niranjan Rao  wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> On darktable 3.6.0
>
>
> I saw this in one of the videos on YouTube and trying to understand what
> exactly is happening. The technique used was increase the exposure to
> about 2.5 or 3 and then change the blend mode to multiplication.
>
> Quality of the image seems to be improving a lot and lot more details
> not visible in default setting of exposure seems to be coming up.
> Notably haziness of the image reduces dramatically.
>
> Multiplication mode is listed under darken modes so it makes sense to
> increase the exposure before darkening to keep the brightness of image
> about same. But I'm not able to figure out why haziness of the image
> gets cleared up.
>
>
> Any helpful hints will be really appreciated.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Niranjan
>
>
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[darktable-user] Question about exposure and blend mode

[Niranjan Rao]

Greetings,

On darktable 3.6.0


I saw this in one of the videos on YouTube and trying to understand what 
exactly is happening. The technique used was increase the exposure to 
about 2.5 or 3 and then change the blend mode to multiplication.


Quality of the image seems to be improving a lot and lot more details 
not visible in default setting of exposure seems to be coming up. 
Notably haziness of the image reduces dramatically.


Multiplication mode is listed under darken modes so it makes sense to 
increase the exposure before darkening to keep the brightness of image 
about same. But I'm not able to figure out why haziness of the image 
gets cleared up.



Any helpful hints will be really appreciated.


Regards,


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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Terry Pinfold  [07-23-21 18:13]:
> I just tested my suggestion on Windows and it opened the image in DT, I
> then closed DT and when I next opened DT the image was available in the
> collections list so I guess it was added to the DT library.
> 
> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 at 19:15, Richard Hobday  wrote:
> 
> > Hi Terry,
> >
> > The OP was asking how to open an image in dt without adding to the dt
> > library.
> >
> > Is that possible in Windows, its certainly can't be done in Linux
> > without modifying the darktable executable.
> >
> > Thus the advice to create a bash script to call darktable with the
> > --library :memory: option.
> >
> > Of course that can be done from Terminal / CMD instead to launch dt in
> > memory only mode.
> >
> > R.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 23/07/2021 09:38, Terry Pinfold wrote:
> > > Being a windows user I can just right click on an image in file explorer
> > > and tell it to open in DT, but I would never bother doing that. The new
> > > import options in 3.6 seem an improvement but we just have to get used
> > > to change. However, I did like the option to open (import) just a
> > > single image in DT3.4. I guess I can still do that in 3.6 but with a few
> > > more clicks.
> > >
> > > On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 at 18:27, Richard Hobday  > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Good question, but please remember to reply to the list.
> > >
> > > On 22/07/2021 18:30, J. Schneider* wrote:
> > >  > Hello Richard,
> > >  > has there ever been a way to just "open" an image without adding
> > > it to
> > >  > the database?
> > >
> > > Indeed there is.
> > > This solution is for Linux - Windoze users will need to seek help
> > > elsewhere.
> > >
> > > Create a bash script to call darktable with the memory only option.
> > > Place the script in /.local/bin and mark as executable.
> > >
> > > As an example my script is: dl_nl.sh
> > >
> > > #!/bin/bash
> > > /opt/darktable/bin/darktable "$1" --library :memory:
> > >
> > > Right click on the image file name |select open with | select your
> > > script as the 'program' to open the file.
> > >
> > > This will open a single selected image file.
> > >
> > > If you wish to open multiple images its better to start darktable in
> > > Memory only mode, and use the 'add to to library' import option!
> > >
> > > See the darktable Manual - Special topics/program invocation
> > > --library :memory:
> > >
> > > I hope that will give food for thought.
> > > R.
> > >
> > >  > (Anyway, Michael Staats (e-mail 2021-07-21 05:37UTC) put it
> > > right: The
> > >  > new buttons just describe clearer what dt used to do.)
> > >  >
> > >  > Best regards
> > >  > Joachim
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >
> >  
> > 
> > >  >
> > >  > Panasonic DMC TZ101 + Sony RX10; darktable on Win10pro on
> > > Thinkpad T540
> > >  > with 2 x 24"
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > Am 16.07.21 um 10:20 schrieb Richard Hobday:
> > >  >> On 15/07/2021 19:47, Willy Williams wrote:
> > >  >>> ...
> > >  >>>
> > >  >>
> > >  >> Methinks you are quite right in your observations.
> > >  >>
> > >  >> The new approach is unnecessarily complex, and replaces a
> > previously
> > >  >> simple set of actions that worked well.
> > >  >>
> > >  >> Further more for those not using the library functions (*) of
> > > darktable
> > >  >> it is downright confusing.
> > >  >> (*) --library :memory:
> > >  >>
> > >  >>
> > >  >>
> > >  >> Just my two pence.
> > >  >> R.
> > >  >>
> > >
> >  
> > 
> > >  >>
> > >  >>
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> > >
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> > >
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> > > Lecturer in Flow Cytometry
> > > University of Tasmania
> > > 17 Liverpool St, Hobart, 7000
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> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing

[Terry Pinfold]

I just tested my suggestion on Windows and it opened the image in DT, I
then closed DT and when I next opened DT the image was available in the
collections list so I guess it was added to the DT library.

On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 at 19:15, Richard Hobday  wrote:

> Hi Terry,
>
> The OP was asking how to open an image in dt without adding to the dt
> library.
>
> Is that possible in Windows, its certainly can't be done in Linux
> without modifying the darktable executable.
>
> Thus the advice to create a bash script to call darktable with the
> --library :memory: option.
>
> Of course that can be done from Terminal / CMD instead to launch dt in
> memory only mode.
>
> R.
>
>
>
> On 23/07/2021 09:38, Terry Pinfold wrote:
> > Being a windows user I can just right click on an image in file explorer
> > and tell it to open in DT, but I would never bother doing that. The new
> > import options in 3.6 seem an improvement but we just have to get used
> > to change. However, I did like the option to open (import) just a
> > single image in DT3.4. I guess I can still do that in 3.6 but with a few
> > more clicks.
> >
> > On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 at 18:27, Richard Hobday  > > wrote:
> >
> > Good question, but please remember to reply to the list.
> >
> > On 22/07/2021 18:30, J. Schneider* wrote:
> >  > Hello Richard,
> >  > has there ever been a way to just "open" an image without adding
> > it to
> >  > the database?
> >
> > Indeed there is.
> > This solution is for Linux - Windoze users will need to seek help
> > elsewhere.
> >
> > Create a bash script to call darktable with the memory only option.
> > Place the script in /.local/bin and mark as executable.
> >
> > As an example my script is: dl_nl.sh
> >
> > #!/bin/bash
> > /opt/darktable/bin/darktable "$1" --library :memory:
> >
> > Right click on the image file name |select open with | select your
> > script as the 'program' to open the file.
> >
> > This will open a single selected image file.
> >
> > If you wish to open multiple images its better to start darktable in
> > Memory only mode, and use the 'add to to library' import option!
> >
> > See the darktable Manual - Special topics/program invocation
> > --library :memory:
> >
> > I hope that will give food for thought.
> > R.
> >
> >  > (Anyway, Michael Staats (e-mail 2021-07-21 05:37UTC) put it
> > right: The
> >  > new buttons just describe clearer what dt used to do.)
> >  >
> >  > Best regards
> >  > Joachim
> >  >
> >  >
> >
>  
> 
> >  >
> >  > Panasonic DMC TZ101 + Sony RX10; darktable on Win10pro on
> > Thinkpad T540
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> >  >
> >  >
> >  > Am 16.07.21 um 10:20 schrieb Richard Hobday:
> >  >> On 15/07/2021 19:47, Willy Williams wrote:
> >  >>> ...
> >  >>>
> >  >>
> >  >> Methinks you are quite right in your observations.
> >  >>
> >  >> The new approach is unnecessarily complex, and replaces a
> previously
> >  >> simple set of actions that worked well.
> >  >>
> >  >> Further more for those not using the library functions (*) of
> > darktable
> >  >> it is downright confusing.
> >  >> (*) --library :memory:
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >> Just my two pence.
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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing

[Richard Hobday]

On 23/07/2021 13:11, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Terry Pinfold  [07-23-21 04:40]:

Being a windows user I can just right click on an image in file explorer
and tell it to open in DT, but I would never bother doing that. The new
import options in 3.6 seem an improvement but we just have to get used to
change. However, I did like the option to open (import) just a single image
in DT3.4. I guess I can still do that in 3.6 but with a few more clicks.

On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 at 18:27, Richard Hobday  wrote:


Good question, but please remember to reply to the list.

On 22/07/2021 18:30, J. Schneider* wrote:

Hello Richard,
has there ever been a way to just "open" an image without adding it to
the database?


Indeed there is.
This solution is for Linux - Windoze users will need to seek help
elsewhere.

Create a bash script to call darktable with the memory only option.
Place the script in /.local/bin and mark as executable.

As an example my script is: dl_nl.sh

#!/bin/bash
/opt/darktable/bin/darktable "$1" --library :memory:

Right click on the image file name |select open with | select your
script as the 'program' to open the file.

This will open a single selected image file.

If you wish to open multiple images its better to start darktable in
Memory only mode, and use the 'add to to library' import option!

See the darktable Manual - Special topics/program invocation
--library :memory:

I hope that will give food for thought.
R.


(Anyway, Michael Staats (e-mail 2021-07-21 05:37UTC) put it right: The
new buttons just describe clearer what dt used to do.)

Best regards
Joachim






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Am 16.07.21 um 10:20 schrieb Richard Hobday:

On 15/07/2021 19:47, Willy Williams wrote:

...



Methinks you are quite right in your observations.

The new approach is unnecessarily complex, and replaces a previously
simple set of actions that worked well.

Further more for those not using the library functions (*) of darktable
it is downright confusing.
(*) --library :memory:



Just my two pence.
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or simply utilize the command-line:
   darktable --library :memory: //





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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing

[Richard Hobday]

On 23/07/2021 13:35, Guillermo Rozas wrote:

The OP was asking how to open an image in dt without adding to the dt
library.
Is that possible in Windows, its certainly can't be done in Linux
without modifying the darktable executable.


Opening an image in darktable without adding it to a library is
impossible (in any OS), and it was the same in 3.4 and the versions
before. That's how darktable works, the mere act of opening the image
adds it to the library/database because there is where the operations
done to the image are saved.



Even if the --library :memory: option is
used the image is added to a database, it's just that it's temporary and
resides in RAM.


That is true, but the net outcome of using --library :memory: is that NO
library.db is created if one does not exist.

I never use the library function of dt, always relying on the .xmp that
is stored alongside the image file.

Call me old fashioned if you like but thats the way I like it!


 > I did like the option to open (import) just a
 > single image in DT3.4. I guess I can still do that in 3.6 but
with a few
 > more clicks.


I still don't get where the problem is. Adding a single image works
exactly the same in 3.6 and 3.4, with the same number of steps. The
button just changed the name from "add image" to "add to library".

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing

[Guillermo Rozas]

>
> The OP was asking how to open an image in dt without adding to the dt
> library.
> Is that possible in Windows, its certainly can't be done in Linux
> without modifying the darktable executable.
>

Opening an image in darktable without adding it to a library is impossible
(in any OS), and it was the same in 3.4 and the versions before. That's how
darktable works, the mere act of opening the image adds it to the
library/database because there is where the operations done to the image
are saved. Even if the --library :memory: option is used the image is added
to a database, it's just that it's temporary and resides in RAM.

> I did like the option to open (import) just a
> > single image in DT3.4. I guess I can still do that in 3.6 but with a few
> > more clicks.
>

I still don't get where the problem is. Adding a single image works exactly
the same in 3.6 and 3.4, with the same number of steps. The button just
changed the name from "add image" to "add to library".

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Terry Pinfold  [07-23-21 04:40]:
> Being a windows user I can just right click on an image in file explorer
> and tell it to open in DT, but I would never bother doing that. The new
> import options in 3.6 seem an improvement but we just have to get used to
> change. However, I did like the option to open (import) just a single image
> in DT3.4. I guess I can still do that in 3.6 but with a few more clicks.
> 
> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 at 18:27, Richard Hobday  wrote:
> 
> > Good question, but please remember to reply to the list.
> >
> > On 22/07/2021 18:30, J. Schneider* wrote:
> > > Hello Richard,
> > > has there ever been a way to just "open" an image without adding it to
> > > the database?
> >
> > Indeed there is.
> > This solution is for Linux - Windoze users will need to seek help
> > elsewhere.
> >
> > Create a bash script to call darktable with the memory only option.
> > Place the script in /.local/bin and mark as executable.
> >
> > As an example my script is: dl_nl.sh
> >
> > #!/bin/bash
> > /opt/darktable/bin/darktable "$1" --library :memory:
> >
> > Right click on the image file name |select open with | select your
> > script as the 'program' to open the file.
> >
> > This will open a single selected image file.
> >
> > If you wish to open multiple images its better to start darktable in
> > Memory only mode, and use the 'add to to library' import option!
> >
> > See the darktable Manual - Special topics/program invocation
> > --library :memory:
> >
> > I hope that will give food for thought.
> > R.
> >
> > > (Anyway, Michael Staats (e-mail 2021-07-21 05:37UTC) put it right: The
> > > new buttons just describe clearer what dt used to do.)
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > Joachim
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > >
> > > Panasonic DMC TZ101 + Sony RX10; darktable on Win10pro on Thinkpad T540
> > > with 2 x 24"
> > >
> > >
> > > Am 16.07.21 um 10:20 schrieb Richard Hobday:
> > >> On 15/07/2021 19:47, Willy Williams wrote:
> > >>> ...
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Methinks you are quite right in your observations.
> > >>
> > >> The new approach is unnecessarily complex, and replaces a previously
> > >> simple set of actions that worked well.
> > >>
> > >> Further more for those not using the library functions (*) of darktable
> > >> it is downright confusing.
> > >> (*) --library :memory:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Just my two pence.
> > >> R.
> > >>
> > 
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  darktable --library :memory: //
  
  
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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing

[Richard Hobday]

Hi Terry,

The OP was asking how to open an image in dt without adding to the dt
library.

Is that possible in Windows, its certainly can't be done in Linux
without modifying the darktable executable.

Thus the advice to create a bash script to call darktable with the
--library :memory: option.

Of course that can be done from Terminal / CMD instead to launch dt in
memory only mode.

R.



On 23/07/2021 09:38, Terry Pinfold wrote:

Being a windows user I can just right click on an image in file explorer
and tell it to open in DT, but I would never bother doing that. The new
import options in 3.6 seem an improvement but we just have to get used
to change. However, I did like the option to open (import) just a
single image in DT3.4. I guess I can still do that in 3.6 but with a few
more clicks.

On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 at 18:27, Richard Hobday mailto:rlhob...@gmx.co.uk>> wrote:

Good question, but please remember to reply to the list.

On 22/07/2021 18:30, J. Schneider* wrote:
 > Hello Richard,
 > has there ever been a way to just "open" an image without adding
it to
 > the database?

Indeed there is.
This solution is for Linux - Windoze users will need to seek help
elsewhere.

Create a bash script to call darktable with the memory only option.
Place the script in /.local/bin and mark as executable.

As an example my script is: dl_nl.sh

#!/bin/bash
/opt/darktable/bin/darktable "$1" --library :memory:

Right click on the image file name |select open with | select your
script as the 'program' to open the file.

This will open a single selected image file.

If you wish to open multiple images its better to start darktable in
Memory only mode, and use the 'add to to library' import option!

See the darktable Manual - Special topics/program invocation
--library :memory:

I hope that will give food for thought.
R.

 > (Anyway, Michael Staats (e-mail 2021-07-21 05:37UTC) put it
right: The
 > new buttons just describe clearer what dt used to do.)
 >
 > Best regards
 > Joachim
 >
 >


 >
 > Panasonic DMC TZ101 + Sony RX10; darktable on Win10pro on
Thinkpad T540
 > with 2 x 24"
 >
 >
 > Am 16.07.21 um 10:20 schrieb Richard Hobday:
 >> On 15/07/2021 19:47, Willy Williams wrote:
 >>> ...
 >>>
 >>
 >> Methinks you are quite right in your observations.
 >>
 >> The new approach is unnecessarily complex, and replaces a previously
 >> simple set of actions that worked well.
 >>
 >> Further more for those not using the library functions (*) of
darktable
 >> it is downright confusing.
 >> (*) --library :memory:
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> Just my two pence.
 >> R.
 >>

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing

[Terry Pinfold]

Being a windows user I can just right click on an image in file explorer
and tell it to open in DT, but I would never bother doing that. The new
import options in 3.6 seem an improvement but we just have to get used to
change. However, I did like the option to open (import) just a single image
in DT3.4. I guess I can still do that in 3.6 but with a few more clicks.

On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 at 18:27, Richard Hobday  wrote:

> Good question, but please remember to reply to the list.
>
> On 22/07/2021 18:30, J. Schneider* wrote:
> > Hello Richard,
> > has there ever been a way to just "open" an image without adding it to
> > the database?
>
> Indeed there is.
> This solution is for Linux - Windoze users will need to seek help
> elsewhere.
>
> Create a bash script to call darktable with the memory only option.
> Place the script in /.local/bin and mark as executable.
>
> As an example my script is: dl_nl.sh
>
> #!/bin/bash
> /opt/darktable/bin/darktable "$1" --library :memory:
>
> Right click on the image file name |select open with | select your
> script as the 'program' to open the file.
>
> This will open a single selected image file.
>
> If you wish to open multiple images its better to start darktable in
> Memory only mode, and use the 'add to to library' import option!
>
> See the darktable Manual - Special topics/program invocation
> --library :memory:
>
> I hope that will give food for thought.
> R.
>
> > (Anyway, Michael Staats (e-mail 2021-07-21 05:37UTC) put it right: The
> > new buttons just describe clearer what dt used to do.)
> >
> > Best regards
> > Joachim
> >
> >
> 
> >
> > Panasonic DMC TZ101 + Sony RX10; darktable on Win10pro on Thinkpad T540
> > with 2 x 24"
> >
> >
> > Am 16.07.21 um 10:20 schrieb Richard Hobday:
> >> On 15/07/2021 19:47, Willy Williams wrote:
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>
> >> Methinks you are quite right in your observations.
> >>
> >> The new approach is unnecessarily complex, and replaces a previously
> >> simple set of actions that worked well.
> >>
> >> Further more for those not using the library functions (*) of darktable
> >> it is downright confusing.
> >> (*) --library :memory:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Just my two pence.
> >> R.
> >>
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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing

[Richard Hobday]

Good question, but please remember to reply to the list.

On 22/07/2021 18:30, J. Schneider* wrote:

Hello Richard,
has there ever been a way to just "open" an image without adding it to
the database?


Indeed there is.
This solution is for Linux - Windoze users will need to seek help elsewhere.

Create a bash script to call darktable with the memory only option.
Place the script in /.local/bin and mark as executable.

As an example my script is: dl_nl.sh

#!/bin/bash
/opt/darktable/bin/darktable "$1" --library :memory:

Right click on the image file name |select open with | select your
script as the 'program' to open the file.

This will open a single selected image file.

If you wish to open multiple images its better to start darktable in
Memory only mode, and use the 'add to to library' import option!

See the darktable Manual - Special topics/program invocation
--library :memory:

I hope that will give food for thought.
R.


(Anyway, Michael Staats (e-mail 2021-07-21 05:37UTC) put it right: The
new buttons just describe clearer what dt used to do.)

Best regards
Joachim



Panasonic DMC TZ101 + Sony RX10; darktable on Win10pro on Thinkpad T540
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Am 16.07.21 um 10:20 schrieb Richard Hobday:

On 15/07/2021 19:47, Willy Williams wrote:

...



Methinks you are quite right in your observations.

The new approach is unnecessarily complex, and replaces a previously
simple set of actions that worked well.

Further more for those not using the library functions (*) of darktable
it is downright confusing.
(*) --library :memory:



Just my two pence.
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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing

[Richard Hobday]

@Jean-Luc CECCOLI
+1

On 18/07/2021 12:01, Jean-Luc CECCOLI wrote:

Message du 16/07/21 10:22
De : "Bernhard"
A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
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Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing



Michael Staats schrieb am 16.07.21 um 07:37:

On 15/07/2021 20:47, Willy Williams wrote:

I tend to think that perhaps I'm overthinking this, but here's the
question:  In v3.4, I could "import" an "image" or a "folder" (section
2.3.1 of The Fine Manual for v 3.4).  Now that v3.6 has been released, I
can "import" then "add to library" or "copy & import", per section 1.4.1
of The New Fine Manual.  It almost seems that these changes are purely
verbiage, not unlike a used car salesman calling a "pig" a "cochon" to
be able to double the sale price.  Frankly, I prefer to be able to open
a single image the way I did in v3.4 to the new way of opening a
library, then a folder, then an image as in v3.6.  It seems to me that
if my perception is correct, darktable is sliding too close to things I
detest about Lightroom.  If my perception is wrong, I'm very open to
seeing it differently, but this is what I see right now. Thoughts?

Willy Williams


Hi
According to what I understood, you are mostly right, except that it's
more like calling a "pig" a "pig" and a "cow" a "cow", and not only one
button with "some mammals" ;-)

In other words: There were many discussions about what (the old)
"import" means, when you (e.g.) connect your camera directly, or
"import" from a local directory. One was involving copying files, the
other did not. And this has become clearer now. Otherwise it's the same
thing.

Please someone correct me if I'm wrong

Best regards,
Michael



Exactly what you say.
And if Willy wants to import just one/few image(s):
"copy & import" (or "import", if you want do edit on the memory card
(?)), then navigate to the folder, then select the image(s) - press
"import" and you're done ...
Don't see the problem here.

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Hello,

This seems a little confusing, as in my mind /importing/ - from DT side - means 
_add to the database_, by opposition to transfering the files from the camera 
to the DT space.
For file transfer, I have been using an utility that handles this part very 
well - Rapid Photo Downloader -, and I will continue to use it as long as it is 
maintained.
For everyting else, I use DT for what it does best : processing the photos.
So, from my point of view, I think this discussion is no more than a storm in a 
tea-cup - sorry, and aplogizes, if someone feels offended, I am just stating 
what I feel.
But I hope DT will never become such a gaz factory as Photoshop, Lightroom, 
Gimp, etc.

Rgrds,

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

> Message du 16/07/21 10:22
> De : "Bernhard" 
> A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
> Copie à : 
> Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing
> 
> 
> 
> Michael Staats schrieb am 16.07.21 um 07:37:
> > On 15/07/2021 20:47, Willy Williams wrote:
> >> I tend to think that perhaps I'm overthinking this, but here's the
> >> question:  In v3.4, I could "import" an "image" or a "folder" (section
> >> 2.3.1 of The Fine Manual for v 3.4).  Now that v3.6 has been released, I
> >> can "import" then "add to library" or "copy & import", per section 1.4.1
> >> of The New Fine Manual.  It almost seems that these changes are purely
> >> verbiage, not unlike a used car salesman calling a "pig" a "cochon" to
> >> be able to double the sale price.  Frankly, I prefer to be able to open
> >> a single image the way I did in v3.4 to the new way of opening a
> >> library, then a folder, then an image as in v3.6.  It seems to me that
> >> if my perception is correct, darktable is sliding too close to things I
> >> detest about Lightroom.  If my perception is wrong, I'm very open to
> >> seeing it differently, but this is what I see right now. Thoughts?
> >>
> >> Willy Williams
> >>
> > Hi
> > According to what I understood, you are mostly right, except that it's
> > more like calling a "pig" a "pig" and a "cow" a "cow", and not only one
> > button with "some mammals" ;-)
> >
> > In other words: There were many discussions about what (the old)
> > "import" means, when you (e.g.) connect your camera directly, or
> > "import" from a local directory. One was involving copying files, the
> > other did not. And this has become clearer now. Otherwise it's the same
> > thing.
> >
> > Please someone correct me if I'm wrong
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Michael
> >
> >
> Exactly what you say.
> And if Willy wants to import just one/few image(s):
> "copy & import" (or "import", if you want do edit on the memory card 
> (?)), then navigate to the folder, then select the image(s) - press 
> "import" and you're done ...
> Don't see the problem here.
> 
> -- 
> 
> regards
> Bernhard
> 
> 
>
Hello,

This seems a little confusing, as in my mind /importing/ - from DT side - means 
_add to the database_, by opposition to transfering the files from the camera 
to the DT space.
For file transfer, I have been using an utility that handles this part very 
well - Rapid Photo Downloader -, and I will continue to use it as long as it is 
maintained.
For everyting else, I use DT for what it does best : processing the photos.
So, from my point of view, I think this discussion is no more than a storm in a 
tea-cup - sorry, and aplogizes, if someone feels offended, I am just stating 
what I feel.
But I hope DT will never become such a gaz factory as Photoshop, Lightroom, 
Gimp, etc.

Rgrds,

J.-Luc

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing

[Terry Pinfold]

Hi Andrew,
   I have never considered using DT for importing images from the camera as 
I saw the strength of DT in editing not as an image management system. I hang 
my head in shame and admit I use LR for that. However, with DT3.6 I am 
realising there is new potential to use DT to import and organise images. It is 
an improvement that surprised me. I am still coming to grips with the DT import 
options but for those who do not have a system like yours or mine through LR it 
looks like DT can now do a good job with copy and import from cameras.

BTW, there are some nice improvements in DT 3.6 including filmic V5.




From: Andrew Greig 
Sent: Saturday, 17 July 2021 4:39 PM
To: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org 
Subject: Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing


I am reading the posts here in relation to importing images. I run Linux Ubuntu 
20.04, with DT 3.4. I am puzzled by the difficulties encountered, because I 
have never used  DT to Import as others do. A friend in the Linux Users of 
Victoria has spent quite some time assisting me to ensure accurate and 
real-time backups of my RAW images. So, when finished a photoshoot (around 140 
- 200 images in RAW + jpg, on the same day, at the conclusion of the session, I 
create a folder in my working directory using mmdd-modelname. My friend has 
set up a script so that when a new folder is created in my working directory a 
file structure is created under the parent folder

parent

mmdd-modelname

children

mmdd-modelname-RAW   mmdd-modelname-jpg  mmdd-modelname-exported

there are three children of the mmdd-modelname-exported folder

mmdd-modelname-fullsize  mmdd-modelname-proofs  mmdd-modelname-IG

So I plug my SD card into the reader, select my files by type and copy the RAW 
files into their folder.  Then I copy the jpg files into their folder. As soon 
as the RAW files hit their folder a script detects the activity and immediately 
starts copying them to a mirror of the working directory on my USB 3TB drive.  
I also copy the jpg files to their folder ( there is no backup of camera 
generated jpgs) When I see that the copy to the mirror is complete, I return 
the SD card to my camera and format the card. After that I open the import 
folder and select the RAW folder in my working directory (SSD), I open the 
directory and start work on the images. When I have finished processing, I 
export at appropriate resolutions into the three export folders. I watermark 
and frame images suitable for Instagram, using a square frame. This ensures 
that I can present my work on Instagram without interference with my formatting.

Once all my exporting is concluded, I move the RAW files to my RAID 1 drives, I 
delete the jpg directory and I move the mmdd-modelname-exported folder with 
children to my RAID 1 drive sync folder which then syncs my finished work with 
Google Drive. So now there is nothing left in my working directory related to 
that shoot and so the mirror on the USB 3TB drive reflects the change and 
deletes the RAW files from the Working Directory Backup folder. Every Saturday 
morning a snapshot is taken of my working directory and stored on a different 
USB 3TB drive.

I don't have much to do, but much is done thanks to the scripts from my friend.

I am very grateful.

Andrew Greig

Melbourne Australia


On 17/7/21 12:27 pm, Terry Pinfold wrote:
For me I feel it is just getting used to a new dialog or GUI. We are all 
stubborn creatures that struggle with change. However, I do see the new import 
options as an improvement. I was scanning individual images today and then 
working them in darktable. It was really nice how the new import option opens 
in a dialog showing my folders including the most recently used one where my 
scans were being placed. I find it easier now that I am getting used to it.

On Sat, 17 Jul 2021 at 10:49, Guillermo Rozas 
mailto:guille2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I don't understand where is the problem? Press "add to library...", select an 
image, and import. That works exactly the same as the "import image" button 
from darktable 3.4.

The only differences are that now you can use the same dialog to import both 
single images and full folders, and that the "copy and import" button has 
gained the ability to not only copy from a card reader/camera, but also from 
any folder in the computer.

Regards,
Guillermo

On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 9:34 PM Willy Williams 
mailto:grayc...@bolthole.net>> wrote:

I concur that this is one option.  I Windows, it's right-click, then open with 
darktable (Ubuntu is very similar).  It's just more awkward.  I, too, miss the 
ease of just opening a single image as I could in prior releases.  Perhaps in a 
future release, a third button could be included to restore this single image 
opening function.

Willy Williams

**

Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing

[Andrew Greig]

I am reading the posts here in relation to importing images. I run Linux 
Ubuntu 20.04, with DT 3.4. I am puzzled by the difficulties encountered, 
because I have never used  DT to Import as others do. A friend in the 
Linux Users of Victoria has spent quite some time assisting me to ensure 
accurate and real-time backups of my RAW images. So, when finished a 
photoshoot (around 140 - 200 images in RAW + jpg, on the same day, at 
the conclusion of the session, I create a folder in my working directory 
using mmdd-modelname. My friend has set up a script so that when a 
new folder is created in my working directory a file structure is 
created under the parent folder


parent

mmdd-modelname

children

mmdd-modelname-RAW   mmdd-modelname-jpg mmdd-modelname-exported

there are three children of the mmdd-modelname-exported folder

mmdd-modelname-fullsize  mmdd-modelname-proofs mmdd-modelname-IG

So I plug my SD card into the reader, select my files by type and copy 
the RAW files into their folder.  Then I copy the jpg files into their 
folder. As soon as the RAW files hit their folder a script detects the 
activity and immediately starts copying them to a mirror of the working 
directory on my USB 3TB drive.  I also copy the jpg files to their 
folder ( there is no backup of camera generated jpgs) When I see that 
the copy to the mirror is complete, I return the SD card to my camera 
and format the card. After that I open the import folder and select the 
RAW folder in my working directory (SSD), I open the directory and start 
work on the images. When I have finished processing, I export at 
appropriate resolutions into the three export folders. I watermark and 
frame images suitable for Instagram, using a square frame. This ensures 
that I can present my work on Instagram without interference with my 
formatting.


Once all my exporting is concluded, I move the RAW files to my RAID 1 
drives, I delete the jpg directory and I move the 
mmdd-modelname-exported folder with children to my RAID 1 drive sync 
folder which then syncs my finished work with Google Drive. So now there 
is nothing left in my working directory related to that shoot and so the 
mirror on the USB 3TB drive reflects the change and deletes the RAW 
files from the Working Directory Backup folder. Every Saturday morning a 
snapshot is taken of my working directory and stored on a different USB 
3TB drive.


I don't have much to do, but much is done thanks to the scripts from my 
friend.


I am very grateful.

Andrew Greig

Melbourne Australia


On 17/7/21 12:27 pm, Terry Pinfold wrote:
For me I feel it is just getting used to a new dialog or GUI. We are 
all stubborn creatures that struggle with change. However, I do see 
the new import options as an improvement. I was scanning individual 
images today and then working them in darktable. It was really nice 
how the new import option opens in a dialog showing my folders 
including the most recently used one where my scans were being placed. 
I find it easier now that I am getting used to it.


On Sat, 17 Jul 2021 at 10:49, Guillermo Rozas > wrote:


I don't understand where is the problem? Press "add to
library...", select an image, and import. That works exactly the
same as the "import image" button from darktable 3.4.

The only differences are that now you can use the same dialog to
import both single images and full folders, and that the "copy and
import" button has gained the ability to not only copy from a card
reader/camera, but also from any folder in the computer.

Regards,
Guillermo

On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 9:34 PM Willy Williams
mailto:grayc...@bolthole.net>> wrote:

I concur that this is one option.  I Windows, it's
right-click, then open with darktable (Ubuntu is very
similar).  It's just more awkward.  I, too, miss the ease of
just opening a single image as I could in prior releases. 
Perhaps in a future release, a third button could be included
to restore this single image opening function.

Willy Williams

***

On 7/16/21 at 6:41 PM, David Vincent-Jones wrote:


If I have a single image (RAW or DNG) located anywhere on my
system I can, by simply clicking on it, open it for
processing in dt as a single image. I do not like doing this
since it, in my opinion, messes up the data structure of dt
but in fact it works.

On 2021-07-16 3:34 p.m., Terry Pinfold wrote:

Well I am taking my time to try and learn this new system. The copy and
import option is a nice addition for those who want to copy images from 
an
external source. I have set mine to import and organise by date of 
capture.
Like everything new it is taking time to learn and I am not yet fuly

Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing

[Terry Pinfold]

For me I feel it is just getting used to a new dialog or GUI. We are all
stubborn creatures that struggle with change. However, I do see the new
import options as an improvement. I was scanning individual images today
and then working them in darktable. It was really nice how the new import
option opens in a dialog showing my folders including the most recently
used one where my scans were being placed. I find it easier now that I am
getting used to it.

On Sat, 17 Jul 2021 at 10:49, Guillermo Rozas  wrote:

> I don't understand where is the problem? Press "add to library...", select
> an image, and import. That works exactly the same as the "import image"
> button from darktable 3.4.
>
> The only differences are that now you can use the same dialog to import
> both single images and full folders, and that the "copy and import" button
> has gained the ability to not only copy from a card reader/camera, but also
> from any folder in the computer.
>
> Regards,
> Guillermo
>
> On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 9:34 PM Willy Williams 
> wrote:
>
>> I concur that this is one option.  I Windows, it's right-click, then open
>> with darktable (Ubuntu is very similar).  It's just more awkward.  I, too,
>> miss the ease of just opening a single image as I could in prior releases.
>> Perhaps in a future release, a third button could be included to restore
>> this single image opening function.
>>
>> Willy Williams
>>
>> ***
>> On 7/16/21 at 6:41 PM, David Vincent-Jones wrote:
>>
>> If I have a single image (RAW or DNG) located anywhere on my system I
>> can, by simply clicking on it, open it for processing in dt as a single
>> image. I do not like doing this since it, in my opinion, messes up the data
>> structure of dt but in fact it works.
>> On 2021-07-16 3:34 p.m., Terry Pinfold wrote:
>>
>> Well I am taking my time to try and learn this new system. The copy and
>> import option is a nice addition for those who want to copy images from an
>> external source. I have set mine to import and organise by date of capture.
>> Like everything new it is taking time to learn and I am not yet fuly
>> comfortable with it. Maybe the ability to import one picture was a nice
>> feature that has now been lost or become hidden. But I have to say with
>> both Darktable and Lightroom (forgive me for mentioning an Adobe offering)
>> I miss the simplicity of just opening and processing an image like you do
>> in GIMP. Not a complaint, just an observation. Anyway, I continue to
>> explore the new offerring of DT 3.6. and really appreciate the effort
>> people have put into it.
>>
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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing

[Guillermo Rozas]

I don't understand where is the problem? Press "add to library...", select
an image, and import. That works exactly the same as the "import image"
button from darktable 3.4.

The only differences are that now you can use the same dialog to import
both single images and full folders, and that the "copy and import" button
has gained the ability to not only copy from a card reader/camera, but also
from any folder in the computer.

Regards,
Guillermo

On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 9:34 PM Willy Williams 
wrote:

> I concur that this is one option.  I Windows, it's right-click, then open
> with darktable (Ubuntu is very similar).  It's just more awkward.  I, too,
> miss the ease of just opening a single image as I could in prior releases.
> Perhaps in a future release, a third button could be included to restore
> this single image opening function.
>
> Willy Williams
>
> ***
> On 7/16/21 at 6:41 PM, David Vincent-Jones wrote:
>
> If I have a single image (RAW or DNG) located anywhere on my system I can,
> by simply clicking on it, open it for processing in dt as a single image. I
> do not like doing this since it, in my opinion, messes up the data
> structure of dt but in fact it works.
> On 2021-07-16 3:34 p.m., Terry Pinfold wrote:
>
> Well I am taking my time to try and learn this new system. The copy and
> import option is a nice addition for those who want to copy images from an
> external source. I have set mine to import and organise by date of capture.
> Like everything new it is taking time to learn and I am not yet fuly
> comfortable with it. Maybe the ability to import one picture was a nice
> feature that has now been lost or become hidden. But I have to say with
> both Darktable and Lightroom (forgive me for mentioning an Adobe offering)
> I miss the simplicity of just opening and processing an image like you do
> in GIMP. Not a complaint, just an observation. Anyway, I continue to
> explore the new offerring of DT 3.6. and really appreciate the effort
> people have put into it.
>
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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing

[Willy Williams]

I concur that this is one option.  I Windows, it's right-click, then 
open with darktable (Ubuntu is very similar).  It's just more awkward.  
I, too, miss the ease of just opening a single image as I could in prior 
releases.  Perhaps in a future release, a third button could be included 
to restore this single image opening function.


Willy Williams

***

On 7/16/21 at 6:41 PM, David Vincent-Jones wrote:


If I have a single image (RAW or DNG) located anywhere on my system I 
can, by simply clicking on it, open it for processing in dt as a 
single image. I do not like doing this since it, in my opinion, messes 
up the data structure of dt but in fact it works.


On 2021-07-16 3:34 p.m., Terry Pinfold wrote:

Well I am taking my time to try and learn this new system. The copy and
import option is a nice addition for those who want to copy images from an
external source. I have set mine to import and organise by date of capture.
Like everything new it is taking time to learn and I am not yet fuly
comfortable with it. Maybe the ability to import one picture was a nice
feature that has now been lost or become hidden. But I have to say with
both Darktable and Lightroom (forgive me for mentioning an Adobe offering)
I miss the simplicity of just opening and processing an image like you do
in GIMP. Not a complaint, just an observation. Anyway, I continue to
explore the new offerring of DT 3.6. and really appreciate the effort
people have put into it.


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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing

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If I have a single image (RAW or DNG) located anywhere on my system I 
can, by simply clicking on it, open it for processing in dt as a single 
image. I do not like doing this since it, in my opinion, messes up the 
data structure of dt but in fact it works.


On 2021-07-16 3:34 p.m., Terry Pinfold wrote:

Well I am taking my time to try and learn this new system. The copy and
import option is a nice addition for those who want to copy images from an
external source. I have set mine to import and organise by date of capture.
Like everything new it is taking time to learn and I am not yet fuly
comfortable with it. Maybe the ability to import one picture was a nice
feature that has now been lost or become hidden. But I have to say with
both Darktable and Lightroom (forgive me for mentioning an Adobe offering)
I miss the simplicity of just opening and processing an image like you do
in GIMP. Not a complaint, just an observation. Anyway, I continue to
explore the new offerring of DT 3.6. and really appreciate the effort
people have put into it.


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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing

[Terry Pinfold]

Well I am taking my time to try and learn this new system. The copy and
import option is a nice addition for those who want to copy images from an
external source. I have set mine to import and organise by date of capture.
Like everything new it is taking time to learn and I am not yet fuly
comfortable with it. Maybe the ability to import one picture was a nice
feature that has now been lost or become hidden. But I have to say with
both Darktable and Lightroom (forgive me for mentioning an Adobe offering)
I miss the simplicity of just opening and processing an image like you do
in GIMP. Not a complaint, just an observation. Anyway, I continue to
explore the new offerring of DT 3.6. and really appreciate the effort
people have put into it.


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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing

[Bernhard]

Michael Staats schrieb am 16.07.21 um 07:37:

On 15/07/2021 20:47, Willy Williams wrote:

I tend to think that perhaps I'm overthinking this, but here's the
question:  In v3.4, I could "import" an "image" or a "folder" (section
2.3.1 of The Fine Manual for v 3.4).  Now that v3.6 has been released, I
can "import" then "add to library" or "copy & import", per section 1.4.1
of The New Fine Manual.  It almost seems that these changes are purely
verbiage, not unlike a used car salesman calling a "pig" a "cochon" to
be able to double the sale price.  Frankly, I prefer to be able to open
a single image the way I did in v3.4 to the new way of opening a
library, then a folder, then an image as in v3.6.  It seems to me that
if my perception is correct, darktable is sliding too close to things I
detest about Lightroom.  If my perception is wrong, I'm very open to
seeing it differently, but this is what I see right now. Thoughts?

Willy Williams


Hi
According to what I understood, you are mostly right, except that it's
more like calling a "pig" a "pig" and a "cow" a "cow", and not only one
button with "some mammals" ;-)

In other words: There were many discussions about what (the old)
"import" means, when you (e.g.) connect your camera directly, or
"import" from a local directory. One was involving copying files, the
other did not. And this has become clearer now. Otherwise it's the same
thing.

Please someone correct me if I'm wrong

Best regards,
Michael



Exactly what you say.
And if Willy wants to import just one/few image(s):
"copy & import" (or "import", if you want do edit on the memory card 
(?)), then navigate to the folder, then select the image(s) - press 
"import" and you're done ...

Don't see the problem here.

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing

[Richard Hobday]

On 15/07/2021 19:47, Willy Williams wrote:

I tend to think that perhaps I'm overthinking this, but here's the
question:  In v3.4, I could "import" an "image" or a "folder" (section
2.3.1 of The Fine Manual for v 3.4).  Now that v3.6 has been released, I
can "import" then "add to library" or "copy & import", per section 1.4.1
of The New Fine Manual.  It almost seems that these changes are purely
verbiage, not unlike a used car salesman calling a "pig" a "cochon" to
be able to double the sale price.  Frankly, I prefer to be able to open
a single image the way I did in v3.4 to the new way of opening a
library, then a folder, then an image as in v3.6.  It seems to me that
if my perception is correct, darktable is sliding too close to things I
detest about Lightroom.  If my perception is wrong, I'm very open to
seeing it differently, but this is what I see right now. Thoughts?

Willy Williams



Methinks you are quite right in your observations.

The new approach is unnecessarily complex, and replaces a previously
simple set of actions that worked well.

Further more for those not using the library functions (*) of darktable
it is downright confusing.
(*) --library :memory:



Just my two pence.
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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing

[Michael Staats]

On 15/07/2021 20:47, Willy Williams wrote:
> I tend to think that perhaps I'm overthinking this, but here's the
> question:  In v3.4, I could "import" an "image" or a "folder" (section
> 2.3.1 of The Fine Manual for v 3.4).  Now that v3.6 has been released, I
> can "import" then "add to library" or "copy & import", per section 1.4.1
> of The New Fine Manual.  It almost seems that these changes are purely
> verbiage, not unlike a used car salesman calling a "pig" a "cochon" to
> be able to double the sale price.  Frankly, I prefer to be able to open
> a single image the way I did in v3.4 to the new way of opening a
> library, then a folder, then an image as in v3.6.  It seems to me that
> if my perception is correct, darktable is sliding too close to things I
> detest about Lightroom.  If my perception is wrong, I'm very open to
> seeing it differently, but this is what I see right now. Thoughts?
>
> Willy Williams
>

Hi
According to what I understood, you are mostly right, except that it's
more like calling a "pig" a "pig" and a "cow" a "cow", and not only one
button with "some mammals" ;-)

In other words: There were many discussions about what (the old)
"import" means, when you (e.g.) connect your camera directly, or
"import" from a local directory. One was involving copying files, the
other did not. And this has become clearer now. Otherwise it's the same
thing.

Please someone correct me if I'm wrong

Best regards,
Michael


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[darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing

[Willy Williams]

I tend to think that perhaps I'm overthinking this, but here's the 
question:  In v3.4, I could "import" an "image" or a "folder" (section 
2.3.1 of The Fine Manual for v 3.4).  Now that v3.6 has been released, I 
can "import" then "add to library" or "copy & import", per section 1.4.1 
of The New Fine Manual.  It almost seems that these changes are purely 
verbiage, not unlike a used car salesman calling a "pig" a "cochon" to 
be able to double the sale price.  Frankly, I prefer to be able to open 
a single image the way I did in v3.4 to the new way of opening a 
library, then a folder, then an image as in v3.6.  It seems to me that 
if my perception is correct, darktable is sliding too close to things I 
detest about Lightroom.  If my perception is wrong, I'm very open to 
seeing it differently, but this is what I see right now. Thoughts?


Willy Williams

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding exporting images / file size

[Willy Williams]

I did, Patrick, due to Kofa and Bernhard's illuminative responses.

Willy



On 5/23/21 at 10:07 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Willy Williams  [05-23-21 09:10]:

On 5/23/2021 at 3:22, Bernhard wrote:


I experience again and again that in forums both the length and the
width of an image and additionally the file size are limited.

And THAT is precisely why I posed the original question.

Willy


The problem of an algorithm is probably the same as the approach I
currently take then by hand - it has to approximate it iteratively.

But what is the primary criterion if the file size is too large?
Change length/width first or the quality settings? And what is the
weighting for larger "savings" to be achieved?

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)


but did you understand the answer.  the size cannot be determined until
the image export has completed.




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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding exporting images / file size

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Willy Williams  [05-23-21 09:10]:
> On 5/23/2021 at 3:22, Bernhard wrote:
> > 
> 
> > I experience again and again that in forums both the length and the
> > width of an image and additionally the file size are limited.
> 
> And THAT is precisely why I posed the original question.
> 
> Willy
> 
> > 
> > The problem of an algorithm is probably the same as the approach I
> > currently take then by hand - it has to approximate it iteratively.
> > 
> > But what is the primary criterion if the file size is too large?
> > Change length/width first or the quality settings? And what is the
> > weighting for larger "savings" to be achieved?
> > 
> > Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
> > 
> 

but did you understand the answer.  the size cannot be determined until
the image export has completed.


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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding exporting images / file size

[Willy Williams]

On 5/23/2021 at 3:22, Bernhard wrote:




I experience again and again that in forums both the length and the 
width of an image and additionally the file size are limited.


And THAT is precisely why I posed the original question.

Willy



The problem of an algorithm is probably the same as the approach I 
currently take then by hand - it has to approximate it iteratively.


But what is the primary criterion if the file size is too large?
Change length/width first or the quality settings? And what is the 
weighting for larger "savings" to be achieved?


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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding exporting images / file size

[Bernhard]

KOVÁCS István schrieb am 22.05.21 um 23:01:

On Sat, 22 May 2021 at 21:28, Willy Williams  wrote:


I can find no reference to being able
to export images while down-sizing them to a specific maximum file size
(in MB, not pixels).  Does this capability exist at all?

No, since in JPEG (I guess you're referring to JPEG, but the same also
applies to PNG) you cannot set the desired output size: you set the
compression parameters, but the resulting file size also depends on
the content. This is contrary to music or video compression, where you
often set a desired bitrate (average or fixed), and the compressor
tweaks the compression parameters (e.g. quality settings) to achieve
it.

but apart from that it would be a nice feature.
I experience again and again that in forums both the length and the 
width of an image and additionally the file size are limited.


The problem of an algorithm is probably the same as the approach I 
currently take then by hand - it has to approximate it iteratively.


But what is the primary criterion if the file size is too large?
Change length/width first or the quality settings? And what is the 
weighting for larger "savings" to be achieved?


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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding exporting images

[Willy Williams]

Thanks, Kofa.  That makes sense and confirms my suspicions.

Willy



On 5/22/21 at 5:01 PM, KOVÁCS István wrote:

On Sat, 22 May 2021 at 21:28, Willy Williams  wrote:


I can find no reference to being able
to export images while down-sizing them to a specific maximum file size
(in MB, not pixels).  Does this capability exist at all?

No, since in JPEG (I guess you're referring to JPEG, but the same also
applies to PNG) you cannot set the desired output size: you set the
compression parameters, but the resulting file size also depends on
the content. This is contrary to music or video compression, where you
often set a desired bitrate (average or fixed), and the compressor
tweaks the compression parameters (e.g. quality settings) to achieve
it.

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding exporting images

[KOVÁCS István]

On Sat, 22 May 2021 at 21:28, Willy Williams  wrote:

> I can find no reference to being able
> to export images while down-sizing them to a specific maximum file size
> (in MB, not pixels).  Does this capability exist at all?

No, since in JPEG (I guess you're referring to JPEG, but the same also
applies to PNG) you cannot set the desired output size: you set the
compression parameters, but the resulting file size also depends on
the content. This is contrary to music or video compression, where you
often set a desired bitrate (average or fixed), and the compressor
tweaks the compression parameters (e.g. quality settings) to achieve
it.

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[darktable-user] Question regarding exporting images

[Willy Williams]

I reading through The Fine Manual, I can find no reference to being able 
to export images while down-sizing them to a specific maximum file size 
(in MB, not pixels).  Does this capability exist at all?


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Re: Fwd: [darktable-user] Question about github

[Bill Wohler]

Sounds like someone might have checked in some files they shouldn't have
or neglected to check them in previously.

In any event, if you haven't modified any files in your source tree, you
can run:

$ git reset --hard release-3.4.1

That will make your tree look like release-3.4.1, regardless of what you
may have done. So do NOT do this if you've modified any of the files.
Use "git status" and look for "modified" files.

There is a "git checkout -f" flag, but I haven't used that.

By the way, whenever I'm learning a new Git command (like git checkout
-f), I'll practice in a sandbox repository. That way, if things go south
(or north for you all in Oz), you can nuke the sandbox and try again.

$ cp -pr darktable darktable.sandbox
$ cd darktable.sandbox
$ git with reckless abandon

Bruce Williams  wrote:

> So, I did this:
> 
> bruce@admin:~/Downloads/darktable-dev/darktable$ git checkout release-3.4.1
> error: The following untracked working tree files would be overwritten by 
> checkout:
> src/tests/integration/-nop/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/-nop/nop.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0001-exposure/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0001-exposure/exposure.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0002-local-contrast/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0002-local-contrast/local-contrast.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0003-denoise-bilateral/denoise-bilateral.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0003-denoise-bilateral/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0004-masks/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0004-masks/masks.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0005-orientation-minus-90/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0005-orientation-minus-90/orientation-minus-90.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0006-orientation-plus-90/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0006-orientation-plus-90/orientation-plus-90.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0007-orientation-180/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0007-orientation-180/orientation-180.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0008-flip-h/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0008-flip-h/flip-h.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0009-flip-v/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0009-flip-v/flip-v.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0010-flip-hv/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0010-flip-hv/flip-hv.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0011-gdnd-90/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0011-gdnd-90/gdnd-90.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0012-gdnd-45/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0012-gdnd-45/gdnd-45.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0013-denoiseprofile-wavelets/denoiseprofile-wavelets.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0013-denoiseprofile-wavelets/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0014-filmic-rgb/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0014-filmic-rgb/filmic-rgb.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0015-shadhi-bilateral/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0015-shadhi-bilateral/shadhi-bilateral.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0016-lowpass-bilateral/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0016-lowpass-bilateral/lowpass-bilateral.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0017-monochrome/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0017-monochrome/monochrome.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0018-perspective-corr/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0018-perspective-corr/perspective-corr.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0019-color-mapping/color-mapping.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0019-color-mapping/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0020-denoise-nlmeans/denoise-nlmeans.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0020-denoise-nlmeans/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0021-retouch-wavelets/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0021-retouch-wavelets/retouch-wavelets.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0022-color-zones/color-zones.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0022-color-zones/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0023-channelmixer/channelmixer.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0023-channelmixer/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0024-contrast-equalizer/contrast-equalizer.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0024-contrast-equalizer/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0025-exposure-guided-filter/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0025-exposure-guided-filter/exposure-guided-filter.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0026-haze-removal/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0026-haze-removal/haze-removal.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0027-denoiseprofile-nlmeans/denoiseprofile-nlmeans.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0027-denoiseprofile-nlmeans/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0028-highpass-overlay/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0028-highpass-overlay/highpass-overlay.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0029-color-correction/color-correction.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0029-color-correction/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0030-framing/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0030-framing/framing.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0031-globaltonemap-drago/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0031-globaltonemap-drago/globaltonemap-drago.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0032-watermark/expected.png
> src/tests/integration/0032-watermark/watermark.xmp
> src/tests/integration/0033-blending-modes-uniform/Readme.md
> 

[darktable-user] Question about github

[Bernhard]

Bernhard schrieb am 07.02.21 um 09:06:

Hi

I'm also only a casual user of git/github, but

Bruce Williams schrieb am 07.02.21 um 03:17:

So, I did this:

bruce@admin:~/Downloads/darktable-dev/darktable$ git checkout 
release-3.4.1
error: The following untracked working tree files would be 
overwritten by

checkout:
src/tests/integration/-nop/expected.png
src/tests/integration/-nop/nop.xmp
src/tests/integration/0001-exposure/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0001-exposure/exposure.xmp
src/tests/integration/0002-local-contrast/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0002-local-contrast/local-contrast.xmp

Perhaps this has to do with what Pascal wrote some time ago:


Pascal Obry schrieb am 15.01.21 um 12:02:

The integration tests are eating quite some band width for some people
and will become hard to manage at some point.

It has been decided to move the integration tests under a sub-module.
This will require more work for the devs but seems to be a good
compromise.

The change will happen today.

If you don't care about the integration tests and want to avoid
downloading the tests you can do:

$ git config submodule.src/test/integration.update none


So perhaps others could clarify.
I would try the given command and see if you get rid of all these 
errors since you as a user most likely will not need those tests




I just did some random tests:

Bruce, I assume that you cloned the darktable repository some time ago 
and just updated by 'git pull' from time to time to build your master 
binaries.

That's what I did also.
When I call 'git checkout release-3.4.1' I get the same errors as you 
experienced.


The command 'git config submodule.src/test/integration.update none' I 
mentioned above does NOT solve this.


My quick and dirty solution:
rename the folder with the incremental darktable repo (which was 2.7GB 
big) to something like "darktable_old" and do a fresh 'git clone 
https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable.git'


Within this new clone (only 1.2GB big) the above command 'git checkout 
release-3.4.1' works - don't however know why this is ... perhaps 
someone other can clarify.


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Re: Fwd: [darktable-user] Question about github

[Bernhard]

Hi

I'm also only a casual user of git/github, but

Bruce Williams schrieb am 07.02.21 um 03:17:

So, I did this:

bruce@admin:~/Downloads/darktable-dev/darktable$ git checkout release-3.4.1
error: The following untracked working tree files would be overwritten by
checkout:
src/tests/integration/-nop/expected.png
src/tests/integration/-nop/nop.xmp
src/tests/integration/0001-exposure/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0001-exposure/exposure.xmp
src/tests/integration/0002-local-contrast/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0002-local-contrast/local-contrast.xmp

Perhaps this has to do with what Pascal wrote some time ago:


Pascal Obry schrieb am 15.01.21 um 12:02:

The integration tests are eating quite some band width for some people
and will become hard to manage at some point.

It has been decided to move the integration tests under a sub-module.
This will require more work for the devs but seems to be a good
compromise.

The change will happen today.

If you don't care about the integration tests and want to avoid
downloading the tests you can do:

$ git config submodule.src/test/integration.update none


So perhaps others could clarify.
I would try the given command and see if you get rid of all these errors 
since you as a user most likely will not need those tests


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Re: [darktable-user] Question about github

[Guillermo Rozas]

> Can someone explain why when I do:
>
> bruce@admin:~/Downloads/darktable-dev/darktable$ git branch
> * master
>
> ...all I see is master?
>

When you cloned darktable's repository from Github you got only the master
branch (wich is the default behaviour). "git branch" shows you only local
branches by default, so "master" is the only thing it can show.

I expected to see a branch for 3.4.1
>

To also show remote branches you need to do "git branch -a". You can clone
and track other branches locally, but I'm away from the computer and my
git-fu is not good enough to risk giving you instructions from memory :-)

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Fwd: [darktable-user] Question about github

[Bruce Williams]

So, I did this:

bruce@admin:~/Downloads/darktable-dev/darktable$ git checkout release-3.4.1
error: The following untracked working tree files would be overwritten by
checkout:
src/tests/integration/-nop/expected.png
src/tests/integration/-nop/nop.xmp
src/tests/integration/0001-exposure/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0001-exposure/exposure.xmp
src/tests/integration/0002-local-contrast/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0002-local-contrast/local-contrast.xmp
src/tests/integration/0003-denoise-bilateral/denoise-bilateral.xmp
src/tests/integration/0003-denoise-bilateral/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0004-masks/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0004-masks/masks.xmp
src/tests/integration/0005-orientation-minus-90/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0005-orientation-minus-90/orientation-minus-90.xmp
src/tests/integration/0006-orientation-plus-90/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0006-orientation-plus-90/orientation-plus-90.xmp
src/tests/integration/0007-orientation-180/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0007-orientation-180/orientation-180.xmp
src/tests/integration/0008-flip-h/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0008-flip-h/flip-h.xmp
src/tests/integration/0009-flip-v/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0009-flip-v/flip-v.xmp
src/tests/integration/0010-flip-hv/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0010-flip-hv/flip-hv.xmp
src/tests/integration/0011-gdnd-90/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0011-gdnd-90/gdnd-90.xmp
src/tests/integration/0012-gdnd-45/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0012-gdnd-45/gdnd-45.xmp
src/tests/integration/0013-denoiseprofile-wavelets/denoiseprofile-wavelets.xmp
src/tests/integration/0013-denoiseprofile-wavelets/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0014-filmic-rgb/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0014-filmic-rgb/filmic-rgb.xmp
src/tests/integration/0015-shadhi-bilateral/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0015-shadhi-bilateral/shadhi-bilateral.xmp
src/tests/integration/0016-lowpass-bilateral/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0016-lowpass-bilateral/lowpass-bilateral.xmp
src/tests/integration/0017-monochrome/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0017-monochrome/monochrome.xmp
src/tests/integration/0018-perspective-corr/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0018-perspective-corr/perspective-corr.xmp
src/tests/integration/0019-color-mapping/color-mapping.xmp
src/tests/integration/0019-color-mapping/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0020-denoise-nlmeans/denoise-nlmeans.xmp
src/tests/integration/0020-denoise-nlmeans/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0021-retouch-wavelets/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0021-retouch-wavelets/retouch-wavelets.xmp
src/tests/integration/0022-color-zones/color-zones.xmp
src/tests/integration/0022-color-zones/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0023-channelmixer/channelmixer.xmp
src/tests/integration/0023-channelmixer/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0024-contrast-equalizer/contrast-equalizer.xmp
src/tests/integration/0024-contrast-equalizer/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0025-exposure-guided-filter/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0025-exposure-guided-filter/exposure-guided-filter.xmp
src/tests/integration/0026-haze-removal/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0026-haze-removal/haze-removal.xmp
src/tests/integration/0027-denoiseprofile-nlmeans/denoiseprofile-nlmeans.xmp
src/tests/integration/0027-denoiseprofile-nlmeans/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0028-highpass-overlay/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0028-highpass-overlay/highpass-overlay.xmp
src/tests/integration/0029-color-correction/color-correction.xmp
src/tests/integration/0029-color-correction/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0030-framing/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0030-framing/framing.xmp
src/tests/integration/0031-globaltonemap-drago/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0031-globaltonemap-drago/globaltonemap-drago.xmp
src/tests/integration/0032-watermark/expected.png
src/tests/integration/0032-watermark/watermark.xmp
src/tests/integration/0033-blending-modes-uniform/Readme.md
src/tests/integration/0033-blending-modes-uniform/blending-modes-uniform.xmp
src/tests/integration/0033-blending-modes-uniform/expected.pn
Aborting

What have I missed?
Sorry for the noob questions. This is like trying to learn a language from
another planet. :)
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Re: [darktable-user] Question about github

[Michael Gauland]

"git tag" will show you the releases:

...release-3.2.0
release-3.2.1
release-3.3.0
release-3.4.0
release-3.4.1
release-3.5.0

You can then "git checkout release-3.4.1" to get the files in your
working directory to match those of the release.


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> Hi all,
> Still trying to wrap my head around using github.
> Can someone explain why when I do:
>
> bruce@admin:~/Downloads/darktable-dev/darktable$ git branch
> * master
>
> ...all I see is master?
> I expected to see a branch for 3.4.1
> Am I misunderstanding something here?
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[darktable-user] Question about github

[Bruce Williams]

Hi all,
Still trying to wrap my head around using github.
Can someone explain why when I do:

bruce@admin:~/Downloads/darktable-dev/darktable$ git branch
* master

...all I see is master?
I expected to see a branch for 3.4.1
Am I misunderstanding something here?
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[darktable-user] question, bug, on exporting

[Eric Scheidemantle]

I was trying to export and scale an image by a fixed percentage, aka 0.5, but 
the text field was not accepting input.
I filed a bug in GitHub.
https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/issues/7898

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding SVG files and why they work differently

[Guillermo Rozas]

> A big "Thank you" to Guillermo for pointing me in the right direction.
>

No problem, you're welcome!
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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding SVG files and why they work differently

[Willy Williams]

And the answer is that converting text to a path did the trick, once I 
figured out how to do the job. :-P  Patience is NOT my strong card.  A 
big "Thank you" to Guillermo for pointing me in the right direction.


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This is one option not yet explored.

Willy Williams

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On 10/26/2020 at 8:43, Guillermo Rozas wrote:


The end result found is that Inkscape does not have the ability
to embed fonts into a .svg file.

Have you tried converting the fonts to paths before exporting de SVG? 
That should eliminate the font problem (I'm assuming the text is not 
a variable that darktable needs to replace).

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding SVG files and why they work differently

[Willy Williams]

This is one option not yet explored.

Willy Williams

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On 10/26/2020 at 8:43, Guillermo Rozas wrote:


The end result found is that Inkscape does not have the ability to
embed fonts into a .svg file.

Have you tried converting the fonts to paths before exporting de SVG? 
That should eliminate the font problem (I'm assuming the text is not a 
variable that darktable needs to replace).

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding SVG files and why they work differently

[Willy Williams]

Part of the logo is in fact curves, and does not vary, regardless of the 
operating system, but two parts of the overall logo (used in differing 
circumstances) are text, and one of those parts DOES change due to the 
kerning not present in Linux.  As for transforming text to curves, I'll 
have to see if Inkscape can do that.  Thanks for the suggestion.


Willy Williams

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On 10/26/2020 at 9:04, Remco Viëtor wrote:

On lundi 26 octobre 2020 13:27:52 CET Willy Williams wrote:

The end result found is that Inkscape does not have the ability to embed
fonts into a .svg file. Ubuntu Linux does not respond to fonts as
Windows does.  I've had to resign myself to the fact that a logo
designed to work well in darktable on Windows must be redesigned to work
tolerably well in darktable under Ubuntu Linux, and the fact that the
two will not look identical under both operating systems due to Windows'
ability to kern fonts as needed while Linux seems to lack the kerning
ability.

Can't you transform a text to curves? in that case, you'd freeze the
lettershape and the kerning, while keeping scalability.

I know that fonts are not supposed to scale linearly, so unless your logo is
pure text, scaling would change the visible aspect in any case.

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding SVG files and why they work differently

[Remco Viëtor]

On lundi 26 octobre 2020 13:27:52 CET Willy Williams wrote:
> The end result found is that Inkscape does not have the ability to embed
> fonts into a .svg file. Ubuntu Linux does not respond to fonts as
> Windows does.  I've had to resign myself to the fact that a logo
> designed to work well in darktable on Windows must be redesigned to work
> tolerably well in darktable under Ubuntu Linux, and the fact that the
> two will not look identical under both operating systems due to Windows'
> ability to kern fonts as needed while Linux seems to lack the kerning
> ability.
Can't you transform a text to curves? in that case, you'd freeze the 
lettershape and the kerning, while keeping scalability.

I know that fonts are not supposed to scale linearly, so unless your logo is 
pure text, scaling would change the visible aspect in any case.

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding SVG files and why they work differently

[Guillermo Rozas]

>
> The end result found is that Inkscape does not have the ability to embed
> fonts into a .svg file.
>
Have you tried converting the fonts to paths before exporting de SVG? That
should eliminate the font problem (I'm assuming the text is not a variable
that darktable needs to replace).
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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding SVG files and why they work differently

[Willy Williams]

The end result found is that Inkscape does not have the ability to embed 
fonts into a .svg file. Ubuntu Linux does not respond to fonts as 
Windows does.  I've had to resign myself to the fact that a logo 
designed to work well in darktable on Windows must be redesigned to work 
tolerably well in darktable under Ubuntu Linux, and the fact that the 
two will not look identical under both operating systems due to Windows' 
ability to kern fonts as needed while Linux seems to lack the kerning 
ability.


Willy Williams

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On 10/13/2020 at 16:44, jys wrote:

On Tue, Oct 13, 2020, at 08:20, Top Rock Photography wrote:

Another issue may be kerning, where each SVG has precisely the same
font, but the spacing is different.

This might be a particularly interesting angle to investigate, given the history of the 
Freetype library used by most open source operating systems. For a long time, certain 
features of font rendering were not built into the versions of Freetype shipped by 
strongly FOSS-oriented distros due to concerns about possible patent issues. I've noticed 
that some of these concerns seem to have "expired" lately, but the situation 
could be different on different distros, or maybe even different versions of the same 
distro.

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding SVG files and why they work differently

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On Tue, Oct 13, 2020, at 08:20, Top Rock Photography wrote:
>
> Another issue may be kerning, where each SVG has precisely the same 
> font, but the spacing is different. 

This might be a particularly interesting angle to investigate, given the 
history of the Freetype library used by most open source operating systems. For 
a long time, certain features of font rendering were not built into the 
versions of Freetype shipped by strongly FOSS-oriented distros due to concerns 
about possible patent issues. I've noticed that some of these concerns seem to 
have "expired" lately, but the situation could be different on different 
distros, or maybe even different versions of the same distro.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeType#History

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding SVG files and why they work differently

[Top Rock Photography]

One can also embed the font into the SVG. This makes the SVG larger, but it
also ensures that the font goes with it, wherever it goes. One can choose
to embed only the glyphs used, or the entire font, (or even an entire
subset of the font, such as, Latin characters only.

Another issue may be kerning, where each SVG has precisely the same font,
but the spacing is different. I have been having some issues with my font
spacing, but I only have the one Linux machine. I have not found my problem
yet, but I think I may have inadvertently removed a font from my system;
error between keyboard and chair, in my case. That is when I thought, “I
ought to have embeded the stupid font!”

Sincerely,

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On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 at 09:34, Willy Williams  wrote:

>
> On 10/12/2020 at 19:53, Guillermo Rozas wrote:
>
>
> The logo looks identical on all three
>> machines when viewed in Inkscape, yet when it is exported into the
>> appropriate location for user-generated watermarks in darktable on each
>> of the three machines, the two lines of text below the script logo shift
>> slightly in size and position when the watermark is applied to an
>> identical test photo on each machine.
>
>
> Are you exporting the logo on each separate machine? Have you tried using
> the same exported SVG file (from any machine) in all?
>
> The original .AI image was opened on only one (Win 10) machine and the
> resulting .SVG image was copied to the remaining two machines (Win 10 and
> Linux).  That .SVG file was opened in Inkscape on all three machines and
> appeared identical in font and in type location relative to the logo
> graphic, just as it was created on the first machine.
>
>
> The script logo does not shift at
>> all; it's just the three lines below the logo that shift.  Am I not
>> holding my mouth right?  Did I forget to perform some weird incantation
>> on the full moon?
>>
>
> First thing that crosses my mind is that the three machines are not using
> the same version of the text font. Are you sure Inkscape and/or darktable
> are not doing some font substitution?
>
> The Win 10 machines appear to be using the same (sans serif) font.  I'm
> not sure which font that Linux machine is using.  Today I'm going to switch
> to a different font that I know is the same on all three machines and try
> again.  I know this font (Della Robbia BT) is the same because I personally
> loaded it onto all three machines.
>
>
> One thing to test: convert the text to curves on Inkscape before
> exporting.
>
> Thanks for this suggestion.  I'll give it a try today and see what
> results.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Guillermo
>
> Thanks for your insights, Guillermo.
>
> Willy
>
>
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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding SVG files and why they work differently

[Willy Williams]

On 10/12/2020 at 19:53, Guillermo Rozas wrote:


The logo looks identical on all three
machines when viewed in Inkscape, yet when it is exported into the
appropriate location for user-generated watermarks in darktable on
each
of the three machines, the two lines of text below the script logo
shift
slightly in size and position when the watermark is applied to an
identical test photo on each machine.


Are you exporting the logo on each separate machine? Have you tried 
using the same exported SVG file (from any machine) in all?
The original .AI image was opened on only one (Win 10) machine and the 
resulting .SVG image was copied to the remaining two machines (Win 10 
and Linux).  That .SVG file was opened in Inkscape on all three machines 
and appeared identical in font and in type location relative to the logo 
graphic, just as it was created on the first machine.


The script logo does not shift at
all; it's just the three lines below the logo that shift. Am I not
holding my mouth right?  Did I forget to perform some weird
incantation
on the full moon?


First thing that crosses my mind is that the three machines are not 
using the same version of the text font. Are you sure Inkscape and/or 
darktable are not doing some font substitution?
The Win 10 machines appear to be using the same (sans serif) font. I'm 
not sure which font that Linux machine is using.  Today I'm going to 
switch to a different font that I know is the same on all three machines 
and try again.  I know this font (Della Robbia BT) is the same because I 
personally loaded it onto all three machines.


One thing to test: convert the text to curves on Inkscape before 
exporting.

Thanks for this suggestion.  I'll give it a try today and see what results.


Best regards,
Guillermo


Thanks for your insights, Guillermo.

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding SVG files and why they work differently

[Guillermo Rozas]

> The logo looks identical on all three
> machines when viewed in Inkscape, yet when it is exported into the
> appropriate location for user-generated watermarks in darktable on each
> of the three machines, the two lines of text below the script logo shift
> slightly in size and position when the watermark is applied to an
> identical test photo on each machine.


Are you exporting the logo on each separate machine? Have you tried using
the same exported SVG file (from any machine) in all?

The script logo does not shift at
> all; it's just the three lines below the logo that shift.  Am I not
> holding my mouth right?  Did I forget to perform some weird incantation
> on the full moon?
>

First thing that crosses my mind is that the three machines are not using
the same version of the text font. Are you sure Inkscape and/or darktable
are not doing some font substitution?

One thing to test: convert the text to curves on Inkscape before exporting.

Best regards,
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[darktable-user] Question regarding SVG files and why they work differently

[Willy Williams]

I have a question regarding the .SVG files used as watermarks and why 
they appear differently in darktable on multiple machines.  I have just 
acquired a personal logo that I can edit in Inkscape as needed.  
Inkscape is on three machines, two of which are on Windows 10 Pro; one 
is on Ubuntu Linux 20.04.1.  The logo looks identical on all three 
machines when viewed in Inkscape, yet when it is exported into the 
appropriate location for user-generated watermarks in darktable on each 
of the three machines, the two lines of text below the script logo shift 
slightly in size and position when the watermark is applied to an 
identical test photo on each machine.  The script logo does not shift at 
all; it's just the three lines below the logo that shift.  Am I not 
holding my mouth right?  Did I forget to perform some weird incantation 
on the full moon?


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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding watermark location in Ubuntu Linux

[Richard Hobday]

Hi,
As you suggest "$HOME/.config/darktable/watermarks" is the correct path
in 3.2.1 as well.
Working fine for me with files in that directory.

I seem to remember that you will need to restart darktable after
placing.svg files there - even possibly restart the computer.


HTH,
R.
On 01/10/2020 20:22, Willy Williams wrote:

Where are watermarks stored in darktable 3.2.1 under Ubuntu Linux
20.04.1? /The Fine Manual/ for darktable 3.0 calls out
"$HOME/.config/darktable/watermarks on p. 150.  To my knowledge, there
is no manual available yet for darktable 3.2.1.  I've looked in the
location specified, and not found a folder named "watermarks", so I
created one and populated it with the .svg files, but darktable doesn't
find them.  I've searched for ".svg" to no avail.  I've found the
location under Win 10 and my .svg files populated into darktable just
fine.  Anyone have a clue here?

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Where are watermarks stored in darktable 3.2.1 under Ubuntu Linux 
20.04.1? /The Fine Manual/ for darktable 3.0 calls out 
"$HOME/.config/darktable/watermarks on p. 150.  To my knowledge, there 
is no manual available yet for darktable 3.2.1.  I've looked in the 
location specified, and not found a folder named "watermarks", so I 
created one and populated it with the .svg files, but darktable doesn't 
find them.  I've searched for ".svg" to no avail.  I've found the 
location under Win 10 and my .svg files populated into darktable just 
fine.  Anyone have a clue here?


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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding darktable 3.0.2

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On 19 May 2020 13:21, Willy Williams  wrote: 

That's it!  Thanks, Richard!  I was looking in the wrong place.  

Willy 



On 5/19/2020 at 3:43, Richard Hobday wrote: 

See: https://darktable.gitlab.io/doc/en/export_selected.html 
Towards the bottom 'Metadata' 

or in the PDF version 
2.3.13.1 Usage/Metadata 


On 18/05/2020 17:52, Willy Williams wrote: 

I've just noticed that photos exported from darktable seem to have been 
stripped of metadata regarding the image.  I looked back to images that 
were exported using v3.0.1 and v3.0.0, and those images have the 
metadata included.  I don't find any option to strip metadata from 
exported images.  Am I not looking in the right place, or holding my 
mouth incorrectly?  Is anyone else experiencing this issue? 

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[Willy Williams]

That's it!  Thanks, Richard!  I was looking in the wrong place.

Willy



On 5/19/2020 at 3:43, Richard Hobday wrote:

See: https://darktable.gitlab.io/doc/en/export_selected.html
Towards the bottom 'Metadata'

or in the PDF version
2.3.13.1 Usage/Metadata


On 18/05/2020 17:52, Willy Williams wrote:

I've just noticed that photos exported from darktable seem to have been
stripped of metadata regarding the image.  I looked back to images that
were exported using v3.0.1 and v3.0.0, and those images have the
metadata included.  I don't find any option to strip metadata from
exported images.  Am I not looking in the right place, or holding my
mouth incorrectly?  Is anyone else experiencing this issue?

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See: https://darktable.gitlab.io/doc/en/export_selected.html
Towards the bottom 'Metadata'

or in the PDF version
2.3.13.1 Usage/Metadata


On 18/05/2020 17:52, Willy Williams wrote:

I've just noticed that photos exported from darktable seem to have been
stripped of metadata regarding the image.  I looked back to images that
were exported using v3.0.1 and v3.0.0, and those images have the
metadata included.  I don't find any option to strip metadata from
exported images.  Am I not looking in the right place, or holding my
mouth incorrectly?  Is anyone else experiencing this issue?

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[Willy Williams]

I've just noticed that photos exported from darktable seem to have been 
stripped of metadata regarding the image.  I looked back to images that 
were exported using v3.0.1 and v3.0.0, and those images have the 
metadata included.  I don't find any option to strip metadata from 
exported images.  Am I not looking in the right place, or holding my 
mouth incorrectly?  Is anyone else experiencing this issue?


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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding copying a very clearly defined area in darktable

[David Vincent-Jones]

Try using an automatically selected parametric mask ... possibly 
color-zones. Both of the lights will probably get selected together and 
can be 'nuked' in a single shot.


David

On 2020-03-25 8:59 a.m., Willy Williams wrote:
My son asked me to see if I could reduce the glow of the reflectors in 
his photo of his motorcycle.  I managed to correct a bunch of other 
aspects of the photo, and even got the rear reflector down 
significantly.  What I'd like to do is copy the rear reflector to the 
area of the front reflector.  Cloning adds in too many other 
artifacts.  I was thinking of using a drawn mask with a circle shape, 
and have gotten the circle in the right place to do it, but can't seem 
to find the method in The Fine Manual to copy just that very specific 
area without any surrounding artifacts.  Can anyone enlighten me, please?


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[darktable-user] question about "catagories"

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what is the function of and how does one access the "catagories" lable
which appears at the bottom of the "image information" section on the left
lighttable panel?  I cannot find such a field using exiftool or exiv2 nor
does darktable manual explain such a field.


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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding backing up one's darktable configuration settings...

[Willy Williams]

Thanks to Coding Dave.  I chose to make AppData visible because there 
are other items there that I back up regularly, like Firefox and 
Thunderbird profiles.  In any case, it's a good thing to have 
alternatives.  Thanks again.


Willy



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You can just enter %localappdata%\darktable into
* the explorer,
* the start search field,
* the START+R dialog
* or other input fields as long as they are not browsing the internet
and the correct folder is being opened. No need to do any visibility 
changes


Am Mo., 13. Mai 2019 um 14:51 Uhr schrieb Willy Williams 
mailto:grayc...@bolthole.net>>:


Thanks for the input.  I have found it there.

It's best to go into File Explorer as Mick suggested, click on
Show hidden files, folders, and drives, then find
C:\Users\[UserName]\AppData.  Right-click on AppData, go to
Properties, then on the General tab, click on Hidden to clear it. 
Then go back to File Explorer Options and click on Don't show
hidden files, folders, or drives. Close out of File Explorer
Options, and you're ready to go.

Thanks again for the input!

Willy

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On 2019-05-13 01:43, August Schwerdfeger wrote:

On Linux and MacOS, the '~/.config/darktable' directory contains
all of
Darktable's configuration and database files. Not sure where the
Windows
installation puts this directory.


presume that's it
C:\Users\mick\AppData\Local\darktable

need [x] Hidden items in the file explorer view tab to see it

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wrote:


Admittedly, I am coming from a place of ignorance.  I've just
had to
completely reconstruct one of my computers due to a really
pathetically
crappy push release from Microsoft that destroyed my hard
drive.  Is there
a way to back up one's presets and overall configuration of
darktable to
speed a rebuild in case of another disastrous release from the
Borg?

Willy

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You can just enter %localappdata%\darktable into
* the explorer,
* the start search field,
* the START+R dialog
* or other input fields as long as they are not browsing the internet
and the correct folder is being opened. No need to do any visibility
changes

Am Mo., 13. Mai 2019 um 14:51 Uhr schrieb Willy Williams <
grayc...@bolthole.net>:

> Thanks for the input.  I have found it there.
>
> It's best to go into File Explorer as Mick suggested, click on Show hidden
> files, folders, and drives, then find C:\Users\[UserName]\AppData.
> Right-click on AppData, go to Properties, then on the General tab, click on
> Hidden to clear it.  Then go back to File Explorer Options and click on
> Don't show hidden files, folders, or drives.  Close out of File Explorer
> Options, and you're ready to go.
>
> Thanks again for the input!
>
> Willy
>
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> On 5/13/2019 at 1:41, mick crane wrote:
>
> On 2019-05-13 01:43, August Schwerdfeger wrote:
>
> On Linux and MacOS, the '~/.config/darktable' directory contains all of
> Darktable's configuration and database files. Not sure where the Windows
> installation puts this directory.
>
>
> presume that's it
> C:\Users\mick\AppData\Local\darktable
>
> need [x] Hidden items in the file explorer view tab to see it
>
> mick
>
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>
> On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 7:11 PM Willy Williams 
> 
> wrote:
>
> Admittedly, I am coming from a place of ignorance.  I've just had to
> completely reconstruct one of my computers due to a really pathetically
> crappy push release from Microsoft that destroyed my hard drive.  Is there
> a way to back up one's presets and overall configuration of darktable to
> speed a rebuild in case of another disastrous release from the Borg?
>
> Willy
>
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>
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>
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Thanks for the input.  I have found it there.

It's best to go into File Explorer as Mick suggested, click on Show 
hidden files, folders, and drives, then find 
C:\Users\[UserName]\AppData.  Right-click on AppData, go to Properties, 
then on the General tab, click on Hidden to clear it.  Then go back to 
File Explorer Options and click on Don't show hidden files, folders, or 
drives.  Close out of File Explorer Options, and you're ready to go.


Thanks again for the input!

Willy

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On 2019-05-13 01:43, August Schwerdfeger wrote:

On Linux and MacOS, the '~/.config/darktable' directory contains all of
Darktable's configuration and database files. Not sure where the Windows
installation puts this directory.


presume that's it
C:\Users\mick\AppData\Local\darktable

need [x] Hidden items in the file explorer view tab to see it

mick


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wrote:


Admittedly, I am coming from a place of ignorance.  I've just had to
completely reconstruct one of my computers due to a really pathetically
crappy push release from Microsoft that destroyed my hard drive.  Is 
there
a way to back up one's presets and overall configuration of 
darktable to

speed a rebuild in case of another disastrous release from the Borg?

Willy

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... should be something like 
|C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Local\darktable\ - just copy all content 
from there to a safe place -

|according to https://www.darktable.org/about/faq/

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August Schwerdfeger schrieb am 13.05.19 um 02:43:
On Linux and MacOS, the '~/.config/darktable' directory contains all 
of Darktable's configuration and database files. Not sure where the 
Windows installation puts this directory.


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On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 7:11 PM Willy Williams > wrote:


Admittedly, I am coming from a place of ignorance.  I've just had
to completely reconstruct one of my computers due to a really
pathetically crappy push release from Microsoft that destroyed my
hard drive.  Is there a way to back up one's presets and overall
configuration of darktable to speed a rebuild in case of another
disastrous release from the Borg?

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding backing up one's darktable configuration settings...

[mick crane]

On 2019-05-13 01:43, August Schwerdfeger wrote:

On Linux and MacOS, the '~/.config/darktable' directory contains all of
Darktable's configuration and database files. Not sure where the 
Windows

installation puts this directory.


presume that's it
C:\Users\mick\AppData\Local\darktable

need [x] Hidden items in the file explorer view tab to see it

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On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 7:11 PM Willy Williams 
wrote:


Admittedly, I am coming from a place of ignorance.  I've just had to
completely reconstruct one of my computers due to a really 
pathetically
crappy push release from Microsoft that destroyed my hard drive.  Is 
there
a way to back up one's presets and overall configuration of darktable 
to

speed a rebuild in case of another disastrous release from the Borg?

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding backing up one's darktable configuration settings...

[August Schwerdfeger]

On Linux and MacOS, the '~/.config/darktable' directory contains all of
Darktable's configuration and database files. Not sure where the Windows
installation puts this directory.

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On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 7:11 PM Willy Williams 
wrote:

> Admittedly, I am coming from a place of ignorance.  I've just had to
> completely reconstruct one of my computers due to a really pathetically
> crappy push release from Microsoft that destroyed my hard drive.  Is there
> a way to back up one's presets and overall configuration of darktable to
> speed a rebuild in case of another disastrous release from the Borg?
>
> Willy
>
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>
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[Willy Williams]

Admittedly, I am coming from a place of ignorance.  I've just had to 
completely reconstruct one of my computers due to a really pathetically 
crappy push release from Microsoft that destroyed my hard drive.  Is 
there a way to back up one's presets and overall configuration of 
darktable to speed a rebuild in case of another disastrous release from 
the Borg?


Willy

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Re: Reconcile between library and xmp files (Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding sidecar files)

[Guillermo Rozas]

>
> > Besides the lack of album and search, one important point is that some
> > information is never stored in the XMP file, only in the database.
>
> Are any _processing_ parameters not stored in the XMP file?  In other
> words, are the resulting pixels identical regardless of whether the
> information comes from the database or from the XMP file?
>

 I would say yes: all processing parameters are stored in the XMP file, and
both database and XMP file processed images are identical. It should be the
case as darktable-cli can take the XMP as the input. However, one of the
developers should chip in at this point to confirm it.

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Re: Reconcile between library and xmp files (Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding sidecar files)

[Robert Krawitz]

On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 07:55:36 -0300, Guillermo Rozas wrote:
> Besides the lack of album and search, one important point is that some
> information is never stored in the XMP file, only in the database. This is
> the case at least with the time offset from the GPS module, I think there
> was another one. So you lose that info when you close Darktable.

Are any _processing_ parameters not stored in the XMP file?  In other
words, are the resulting pixels identical regardless of whether the
information comes from the database or from the XMP file?  I don't
care about metadata such as GPS; processing is another story.  I have
no use for the database, since I prefer to use a different tool for
indexing my images.
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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding sidecar files

[Bernhard]

Romano Giannetti schrieb am 11.10.2018 um 11:09:

On 10/10/18 15:08, Willy Williams wrote:


I have three laptops on which Darktable is installed; two Windows 10 
and one Ubuntu Linux.  I generally sync the two Windows computers' 
photos folders, including JPEGs, RAW files and XMP sidecar files.  
I've begun to wonder if I'm shooting myself in the foot by doing so.  
The question is this - are the sidecar files closely tied to an 
internal Darktable database on the computer where the work was done?  
Am I making the dog's breakfast of things by syncing files and in 
doing so, inadvertently getting the sidecar files out of sync with 
the unique database associated with each computer?





I use synchronized photo folders too; the important thing is to have 
set the option (in core option group) "look for updated xmp files on 
startup". When you open you darktable on the other machine, it will 
ask if you want to reload the XMPs or rewrite them; answer "reload" 
and voilá, all is going well.



not really. As long as you work on the fixed pool of images - yes. But 
if you add images or delete some of them - darktable on the other 
computers will not know about those images/absence of the images.

So you should also sync the database.

In wrote an article about this (German language) here: 
https://www.bilddateien.de/blog/2015-11-bildarchiv-auf-2-rechnern-synchronisation-der-darktable-konfiguration.html


deepL translation:
Image archive on 2 computers - Synchronization of the darktable 
configuration


published on 12.11.2015

Those who edit and especially manage their images in a workflow 
software will sooner or later face the problem: Which 
files/directories have to be saved in order to transfer all edits, 
settings and keywords etc. to a new computer?


But it can also be useful "in daily operation" to know about it. I 
myself use two computers at the same time:


    a powerful desktop computer: I don't want to have to do without 
the comfort of a large screen, good computing power, a good 
keyboard/mouse when I work longer on the computer. I could do the same 
with a laptop and a docking station, but


    I use a laptop for travelling. This laptop is not suitable as a 
replacement for the above-mentioned computer, not even with a docking 
station, because it is not "bred" for high computing power, because I 
am often on the road for a long time without mains supply, and then 
electricity consumption is an important issue.


Back to the data: When using darktable as workflow software, the files 
have to "fit together" at 3 locations in the computer and therefore 
have to be transferred together and completely when changing from one 
computer to another:


    of course the image files themselves: RAW files (or, if there are 
no RAW files, the corresponding jpg or tif files) together with the 
corresponding .xmp files


    the configuration directory of the program, which contains two things:

    Database: Contains first the same information about the 
individual images as they are stored in the .xmp files, but 
additionally also information that is not stored in a single image, 
e.g. groupings of photos.


    Program settings: Everything you can set yourself, such as 
export settings and directories, presets for individual development 
modules, default settings for metadata (copyright notices, etc.), 
automatically applied default settings when importing images, etc.


    the cache directory: here the preview images are stored for fast 
display at the light table.


This results in the following 3 paths whose contents have to be saved 
and transferred:


/home/[username]/.cache/darktable
/home/[username]/.config/darktable
/home/[username]/[path/to/the/pictures]

For the synchronization itself I use FreeFileSync.

(... and by the way the parallel data storage on two different 
computers results in a first step to prevent data loss :). …).


Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator

If you do like this ANY change  will be known in any darktable installation.

Problem in your case is:
The darktable database stores the location of all the images in the 
filesystem.
With different operating systems the locations / path are not compatible 
between the different computers - so in your case this will most 
probably NOT work.


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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding sidecar files

[Bernhard]

Romano Giannetti schrieb am 11.10.2018 um 11:09:

On 10/10/18 15:08, Willy Williams wrote:


I have three laptops on which Darktable is installed; two Windows 10 
and one Ubuntu Linux.  I generally sync the two Windows computers' 
photos folders, including JPEGs, RAW files and XMP sidecar files.  
I've begun to wonder if I'm shooting myself in the foot by doing so.  
The question is this - are the sidecar files closely tied to an 
internal Darktable database on the computer where the work was done?  
Am I making the dog's breakfast of things by syncing files and in 
doing so, inadvertently getting the sidecar files out of sync with 
the unique database associated with each computer?





I use synchronized photo folders too; the important thing is to have 
set the option (in core option group) "look for updated xmp files on 
startup". When you open you darktable on the other machine, it will 
ask if you want to reload the XMPs or rewrite them; answer "reload" 
and voilá, all is going well.



not really. As long as you work on the fixed pool of images - yes. But 
if you add images or delete some of them - darktable on the other 
computers will not know about those images/absence of the images.

So you should also sync the database.

In wrote an article about this (German language) here: 
https://www.bilddateien.de/blog/2015-11-bildarchiv-auf-2-rechnern-synchronisation-der-darktable-konfiguration.html


deepL translation:
Image archive on 2 computers - Synchronization of the darktable 
configuration


published on 12.11.2015

Those who edit and especially manage their images in a workflow 
software will sooner or later face the problem: Which 
files/directories have to be saved in order to transfer all edits, 
settings and keywords etc. to a new computer?


But it can also be useful "in daily operation" to know about it. I 
myself use two computers at the same time:


    a powerful desktop computer: I don't want to have to do without 
the comfort of a large screen, good computing power, a good 
keyboard/mouse when I work longer on the computer. I could do the same 
with a laptop and a docking station, but


    I use a laptop for travelling. This laptop is not suitable as a 
replacement for the above-mentioned computer, not even with a docking 
station, because it is not "bred" for high computing power, because I 
am often on the road for a long time without mains supply, and then 
electricity consumption is an important issue.


Back to the data: When using darktable as workflow software, the files 
have to "fit together" at 3 locations in the computer and therefore 
have to be transferred together and completely when changing from one 
computer to another:


    of course the image files themselves: RAW files (or, if there are 
no RAW files, the corresponding jpg or tif files) together with the 
corresponding .xmp files


    the configuration directory of the program, which contains two things:

    Database: Contains first the same information about the 
individual images as they are stored in the .xmp files, but 
additionally also information that is not stored in a single image, 
e.g. groupings of photos.


    Program settings: Everything you can set yourself, such as 
export settings and directories, presets for individual development 
modules, default settings for metadata (copyright notices, etc.), 
automatically applied default settings when importing images, etc.


    the cache directory: here the preview images are stored for fast 
display at the light table.


This results in the following 3 paths whose contents have to be saved 
and transferred:


/home/[username]/.cache/darktable
/home/[username]/.config/darktable
/home/[username]/[path/to/the/pictures]

For the synchronization itself I use FreeFileSync.

(... and by the way the parallel data storage on two different 
computers results in a first step to prevent data loss :). …).


Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator

If you do like this ANY change  will be known in any darktable installation.

Problem in your case is:
The darktable database stores the location of all the images in the 
filesystem.
With different operating systems the locations / path are not compatible 
between the different computers - so in your case this will most 
probably NOT work.


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re: [darktable-user] Question regarding sidecar files

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

> Message du 11/10/18 01:02
> De : "Willy Williams" 
> A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
> Copie à : 
> Objet : [darktable-user] Question regarding sidecar files
> 
>
> I have three laptops on which Darktable is installed; two Windows 10 and one 
> Ubuntu Linux.  I generally sync the two Windows computers' photos folders, 
> including JPEGs, RAW files and XMP sidecar files.  I've begun to wonder if 
> I'm shooting myself in the foot by doing so.  The question is this - are the 
> sidecar files closely tied to an internal Darktable database on the computer 
> where the work was done?  Am I making the dog's breakfast of things by 
> syncing files and in doing so, inadvertently getting the sidecar files out of 
> sync with the unique database associated with each computer?  
>

The only issue would be if your workflow runs from Windows to Linux : as Linux 
is case-sensitive, it might expect to find lowercase sidecars and, since those 
created by Windows are upercase, create its own ones, which would not match 
those imported from Windows.
Though I never tested this with DT, it happened to me with ASP files on a HD 
that I used with both Windows and Linux, and I ended up with 2 different 
versions of each sidecar per photo, one upercase and the other lowercase.
I did not notice that first, and going back to Windows I got some strange 
results, then pluging the disk on Linux again I could delete the lc sidecars.

Regards,

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding sidecar files

[Romano Giannetti]

On 11/10/18 13:12, Willy Williams wrote:


Thank you!!!  This should do it for me.

For those that asked, I'm using FreeFileSync 
(https://freefilesync.org/) to sync files between various systems.


Willy

Thanks, interesting link. I use Unison 
 (also 
http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ )(which uses ssh and rsync in 
a very transparent way), and I am quite happy with it.


Romano

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Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding sidecar files

[Willy Williams]

Thank you!!!  This should do it for me.

For those that asked, I'm using FreeFileSync (https://freefilesync.org/) 
to sync files between various systems.


Willy

**
On 10/11/2018 at 05:09, Romano Giannetti wrote:

On 10/10/18 15:08, Willy Williams wrote:


I have three laptops on which Darktable is installed; two Windows 10 
and one Ubuntu Linux.  I generally sync the two Windows computers' 
photos folders, including JPEGs, RAW files and XMP sidecar files.  
I've begun to wonder if I'm shooting myself in the foot by doing so.  
The question is this - are the sidecar files closely tied to an 
internal Darktable database on the computer where the work was done?  
Am I making the dog's breakfast of things by syncing files and in 
doing so, inadvertently getting the sidecar files out of sync with 
the unique database associated with each computer?





I use synchronized photo folders too; the important thing is to have 
set the option (in core option group) "look for updated xmp files on 
startup". When you open you darktable on the other machine, it will 
ask if you want to reload the XMPs or rewrite them; answer "reload" 
and voilá, all is going well.


Screenshot of the option (I hope it goes through):


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