RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3

2006-07-18 Thread Paul Navarre
***
Question to thoes that are saying that spam/virus protestion is a lost
leader/not a revenue builder.
 
If it does not generate revenue then why don't you stop offering spam/virus
protection?
***

Is this a serious question?

If you don't offer spam and virus filtering, you won't have any customers.
In most markets the local competition offers it for free. The national
competition certainly does (yahoo, google, earthlink etc).

Many of us are fighting against low-priced inferior competition. The problem
is that the average customer doesn't know that they are inferior. They *do*
know how much they charge, and if they offer spam/virus protection and you
don't it doesn't matter how poor the other guy's service is. They will
leave. Sure, they will find out later how much the other guys suck, but how
much time/effort/money will it cost to get them back? Chances are they'll
try the next cut rate place instead of coming back to us anyway.

Paul Navarre



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklisted by Comcast

2006-01-11 Thread Paul Navarre
  For whatever reason, one of my mail servers has been blacklisted by
  Comcast.snip
  Anybody have any deas how to resolve this one?

This just happened to me too.

The answer is in your log files. Comcast inserts a message in the data
conversation that says to send a message to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] requesting removal from their
blacklist along with your server's IP address. I was off in their list in
about 5 hours. I wish I could find out *why* I was on their list, but I'll
take what I can get.

Paul Navarre



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[Declude.JunkMail] Spam Domains File Format

2005-08-10 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
Title: Message



What is the file format 
for the spamdomains.txt file? 

I'm looking at the file 
but can't figure it out and can't find a description of the format anywhere. 



Paul 
Fuhrmeister


RE: [Declude.JunkMail] casino spam

2005-02-25 Thread Paul Navarre








Ive actually noticed an increase
specifically in gambling site spam myself.



Paul Navarre











Has anyone noticed in the past week an increase in casino, or
party poker, etc.. spam?



Kyle












RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SMTP Server question

2005-01-20 Thread Lucido, Paul
 
I apologize for posting this to the wrong group.  I need to do this
because we still have Exchange 5.5 in our environment.  If anyone does
know if SmarterMail or another SMTP server could do this I would be very
appreciative.  

Paul

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sanford
Whiteman
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:23 AM
To: Lucido, Paul
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SMTP Server question

 It  is  possible  on  IIS  SMTP using article ID 262168, but I would 
 prefer not to use IIS SMTP.

Because. . . ?

 Can SmarterMail do this?

Wouldn't this be a question for them, primarily?

--Sandy



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RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] SMTP Server question

2005-01-20 Thread Lucido, Paul
That is a valid question.  It is free, fast and scalable.  I'm looking
for increased functionality, reporting, administration and monitoring.
I would also like to apply some basic policies, such as stripping of
attachments.  But the latter is not a requirement.

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Subject: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] SMTP Server question

 I  apologize  for posting this to the wrong group. I need to do this 
 because  we  still  have  Exchange 5.5 in our environment.

My  question  again: why _not_ MS SMTP? It's an extremely solid MTA --
and free.

--Sandy



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[Declude.JunkMail] SMTP Server question

2005-01-19 Thread Lucido, Paul
I'm looking for an SMTP server that has the ability to turn off
advertising of 8 bit MIME without turning off EHLO.  It is possible on
IIS SMTP using article ID 262168, but I would prefer not to use IIS
SMTP.  I need it because we still have Exchange 5.5 in our environment.
Can SmarterMail do this?  
 
Thanks,
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Paypal and spam domain

2004-12-31 Thread Paul Navarre









A quick look at the messages I have received from paypal
recently all show (something).paypal.com. I havent seen any exceptions.



Paul Navarre













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Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists)
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Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Paypal
and spam domain





What servers do
legitimate @paypal.com e-mail come from to include in the spamdomans file?



John Tolmachoff

Engineer/Consultant/Owner

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[Declude.JunkMail] if there's a ? in the X-Declude-Sender

2004-11-17 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
Here's the X-Declude-Sender in a spam message. It includes my domain name
and a ?:

X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[65.249.245.10]

How would one add weight if there's a ? in the X-Declude-Sender? I assume
this is a valid test to add weight.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT - Copying 200,000 plus files

2004-10-20 Thread Paul Navarre
I don't know the answer you are specifically looking for, but you might take
the drive out of the USB case and mount it directly into the PC as a slave
drive. Copying (regardless of method) should go much more quickly then.

Paul Navarre

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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Pereira
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:00 PM
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 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT - Copying 200,000 plus files
 
 Hi -
 
 Sorry for the OT post, but I am in need of assistance.
 
 I have 200,000 + TIFF (70 GB Worth)images on an external USB 2.0 hard
 drive that I need to copy to my local hard drive.  It is taking
 forever.
 
 Does anyone know what the fastest way to do this is ?
 
 Drag and Drop ??  Cut and Paste ??
 
 Drop to a command prompt ??  Xcopy ??
 
 Please help.
 
 TIA
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter File - Maximum Size?

2004-10-07 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
We wrote an external program that

1. Works with Declude as an external filter, 
2. reads the email and picks out the subject line, 
3. reads a very short list of words from a text file,
4. looks for the words in the subject line, then
5. strips all of the non-alpha characters out of the subject line (including
numbers and spaces),
6. looks for the words in the subject line AGAIN,
7. returns a DOS error number ONLY if a banned word appears AFTER stripping
out the non-alpha characters, and
8. keeps a log file identifying each message that failed and why.

It only leaves about 5 ways to spell viagra. The after but not before test
avoids false positives. We weight it 20 on our 20 point scale, but we're not
aggressive with our word list. 
 
You have to be careful with your word list because we strip the spaces, some
words are contained in other words, etc.

I guess you could change it up and check the first 250 characters of the
message body or something, but it doesn't deal with html.

I can post the source code if anyone's interested (it' Visual Basic complied
to an exe).

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Moreau-Cook
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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter File - Maximum Size?


Thanks for the response. We are already using Sniffer; if a message triggers
Sniffer we give the e-mail 60% of our delete weight. This works great, trust
me... but I'm sick and tired of seeing w^^o_r-d#s l-!+k^e this in my hold
queue.
 
The problem is, how many ways can you spell a word? How many ^,*,$,#, and
other characters can you put into a word to slip by Sniffer? Apparently
there are 360,000 to spell Viagra by inserting these characters (and others)
and changing certain letters to numbers.
 
I'm frustrated by spammers, I know we all are so I'm just trying to find out
if this is *even* a viable way to help declude stop spam.
 
Thanks
 

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter File - Maximum Size?

2004-10-07 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
Yes, it does get caught. 

Our filtered word list includes vagra

If the program does not see vagra before stripping non-alpha characters, but
does after stripping, the subject line fails. 

We have only 38 words in our list, here's the last of it:

valium
valum
Vcodin
vagra
viagr
viagra
Vicdin
VICODIN
xanax
xanex
xanx
xnx

PF

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox
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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter File - Maximum Size?

One of the most common misspellings I see is v1agra.  According to your
logic, this wouldn't get caught, would it?

Perhaps amend the test to do some standard replacements of numbers with
letters? For example,

0 - o
1 - i
3 - e
5 - s
8 - a

Darin.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SPF Records and Off-Network Customers

2004-09-11 Thread Paul Navarre

I believe that SPF is almost all hype and hardly any value to speak of.


I think this is a bit harsh. While SPF is certainly not the answer to all of
my prayers, it has some value.



It was originally intended to authenticate hosts, but spammers quickly
caught on and started giving themselves SPF 


This is a good development from my perspective. I give a single point to SPF
pass, and I may reduce it to 0. In other words, pass won't help a whole lot
in identifying legit email. However, when a spammer is using SPF, this also
means that they are using their own mailserver. This makes it easy to block.
I wish all spammers used SPF.



some administrators will claim a modicum of usefulness to having the Unknown
records, although I don't see it


For me unknown is simply move along, nothing to see here. Not a big help,
but no harm either.


What you didn't mention is the fail result. I score this fairly highly. I
mean if a postmaster tells me there is a problem with a message from their
domain, it lets me off the hook if I block it.

Paul Navarre


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[Declude.JunkMail] WhiteList FILES Question

2004-07-21 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
Using JunkMail Pro,

I am not clear on the WhiteListFiles option. 

My $default$.junkmail file currently looks like this:

AHBLWARN
DSBLMulti   WARN
CBL WARN
DSBLWARN
ORDBWARN

... Etc ...

Using the WhitelistFiles option, my would look like this?


WHITELISTFILE D:\IMail\Declude\mywhitelist.txt
AHBLWARN
DSBLMulti   WARN
CBL WARN
DSBLWARN
ORDBWARN

... Etc ...

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] WhiteList FILES Question

2004-07-21 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
1. We have multiple domains, and want each to be able to create their own
white list

2. We have a program that copies the $default$.junkmail files out to the per
domain directories so making changes is easy.

To make this easy on us, 

If we use: WHITELISTFILE mywhitelist.txt

instead of: WHITELISTFILE D:\IMail\Declude\mywhitelist.txt

Will Declude search in the same (per domain) directory as the
$default$.junkmail file, or do we have to manually edit the 25 different
$default$.junkmail files?

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I am not clear on the WhiteListFiles option.
...
Using the WhitelistFiles option, my would look like this?

WHITELISTFILE D:\IMail\Declude\mywhitelist.txt
AHBLWARN
DSBLMulti   WARN
CBL WARN
DSBLWARN
ORDBWARN

... Etc ...

Correct.  Declude JunkMail will then look at the
D:\IMail\Declude\mywhitelist.txt file and whitelist any E-mail coming from
an address/domain listed in there.

-Scott
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[Declude.JunkMail] Reconfiguring sorbs.net tests

2004-07-20 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
I currently have 9 sorbs.net lookups:

SORBS-HTTP  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.2   5   0
SORBS-SOCKS ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.3   5   0
SORBS-MISC  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.4   5   0
SORBS-SMTP  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.5   5   0
SORBS-SPAM  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.6   4   0
SORBS-WEB   ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.7   5   0
SORBS-BLOCK ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.8   5   0
SORBS-ZOMBIEip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.9   5   0
SORBS-DUHL  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.10  4   0

It seems I can replace these 9 lookups with 1:

rhsbl.sorbs.net - Aggregate zone (contains all RHS zones)

Would the new config file line would look like this? (replacing the ip
numbers with a *)?

SORBS-DUHL  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net *   4   0

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[Declude.JunkMail] Njabl test?

2004-07-20 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
I notice the njabl test is not a standard test in the sample Declude
JunkMail config file:

# The following tests are commented out by 
  default because they are not commonly used
# NJABL  ip4r  dnsbl.njabl.org  127.0.0.2  5  0

Is this test worth the machine time doing the lookup?

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[Declude.JunkMail] accept email ONLY from white listed senders

2004-05-13 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
Cross post from Imail list:

We set up a domain (IMGate / Declude / Imail 8.11) at an IP Number.

We want it to accept email ONLY from white listed senders using Imail's
anti-spam feature so the customer can maintain the white list. 

Has anyone done this? Does anyone have any ideas how to do it?
 
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[Declude.JunkMail] accept email ONLY from white listed senders

2004-05-13 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
Cross post from Imail list:

We set up a domain (IMGate / Declude / Imail 8.11) at an IP Number.

We want it to accept email ONLY from white listed senders using Imail's
anti-spam feature so the customer can maintain the white list. 

Has anyone done this? Does anyone have any ideas how to do it?
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: disabling NDR's/badmail dir with Microsoft SMTP

2004-05-11 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
Just write a bat file to rotate and delete the files, then schedule it. 

ren Badmail_07 Badmail_08
ren Badmail_06 Badmail_07
ren Badmail_05 Badmail_06
ren Badmail_04 Badmail_05
ren Badmail_03 Badmail_04
ren Badmail_02 Badmail_03
ren Badmail_01 Badmail_02
ren BadmailBadmail_01
md  Badmail

del /q Badmail_08
rd  Badmail_08



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 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: disabling NDR's/badmail dir 
 with Microsoft SMTP
 
 Hi,
 
 I'm setting up Microsoft SMTP mail server as an outbound 
 gateway/offload and I've noticed that failed NDR's ultimately 
 pile up in a badmail directory.
 
 Is there a regkey setting to configure MS SMTP to simply 
 bit-bucket those instead of creating a growing folder that 
 must be cleaned out periodically?
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[Declude.JunkMail] Blocking Sender

2004-05-03 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
I want to block anything sent from onlinelifetime.com. I could use


BLACKLIST  fromfile  C:\iMail\Declude\blacklist.txt  x  50  0 

Or

BLOCKSENDER  filter  C:\IMail\Declude\BlockSender.txt  x  0  0
(
BlockSender.txt: 
HEADERS  50  CONTAINS  @onlinelifetime.com
HEADERS  50  CONTAINS  .onlinelifetime.com
)

It seems to me the second way would work better, catching anything the first
filter would catch, and anything sent through onlinelifetime servers, even
if they change the reply-to address. 

Why would one use a blacklist fromfile instead of a headers filter file? Is
there a performance or CPU difference?


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Log analysis and test check scripts

2004-04-22 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
Thank you Bill and Roger for sharing your excellent work.  

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 The scripts run under both Windows NT 4 and Windows 2000. They are 
 pure Windows command scripts and therefore not as fast as some of the 
 other log analysis tools. The analyses below took about one minute 
 each in all mode.

Took a bit longer on my system but there were 230,000 messages.  In
comparing the results with my program (WAMLOG) they were within 0.2%!  

Your program:

WEIGHT10 218863
WEIGHTdel 207491 

My Program:

WEIGHT10 218866
WEIGHTDEL 207493

I didn't know command script was so powerful.  Only about 100 lines of code!
I wrote my program in C++ and it took about 300 lines of code :)

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Processing load on machine

2004-04-22 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
Since my weights are all so close I could make them the same. 

Is there a way to combined these 8 tests into 1 to determine if it failed
any if the tests? That is, IF NOT 127.0.0.0, or what ever their OK response
is? Does it really matter?

Paul Fuhrmeister
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If the following is in the Global.cfg file, is it true that 
dnsbl.sorbs.net will be queried once and the result will be evaluated 8 
times?

SORBS-HTTP  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.2   5   0
SORBS-SOCKS ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.3   5   0
SORBS-MISC  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.4   5   0
SORBS-SMTP  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.5   5   0
SORBS-SPAM  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.6   7   0
SORBS-WEB   ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.7   5   0
SORBS-BLOCK ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.8   5   0
SORBS-DUHL  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.10  6   0

That is correct.  With old versions of Declude JunkMail -- back when
multiple tests on the same zone first came out -- would make 8 DNS queries.
But recent versions of Declude JunkMail will send just 1 DNS query, and
evaluate the results 8 times.

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[Declude.JunkMail] Comcast.net Spam

2004-04-22 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
An email is from [EMAIL PROTECTED] [24.5.121.88]
AND was received from cib.co.za (c-24-5-121-88.client.comcast.net
[24.5.121.88]

Is there a way to add weight when
- received from client.comcast.net BUT sender is not @comcast.net


Here are example headers:

Received: from cib.co.za (c-24-5-121-88.client.comcast.net [24.5.121.88])
by mail17.**.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 858D630F4B;
Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:25:31 -0500 (CDT)
(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Tim Salazar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Pain Pills V.icodin Hy.drocodone Lortab Lorcet Norco
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:00:15 +
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/html;
charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-RBL-Warning: DSBL: http://dsbl.org/listing?ip=24.5.121.88;
X-RBL-Warning: BLOCKTEXT: Message failed BLOCKTEXT test (line 394, weight 7)
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [24.5.121.88]
X-Declude-Spoolname: D2d2c2f4000be40bf.SMD
X-RCPT-TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Status: U
X-UIDL: 1049636097


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Comcast.net Spam

2004-04-22 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
OK, I understand. 

SPAMDOMAINS would fail if they said they were [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
sent through a tvp.ndo.co.uk mail server, 

But does not fail if they say they are [EMAIL PROTECTED] and send
through a comcast.net server.

So, I need to looks at Matt's filter. I am using 1.78+ Pro, but do not
understand the filter Matt referenced earlier 

( 
MAILFROM   END   ENDSWITH   @comcast.net
REVDNS 5 ENDSWITH   client.comcast.net
)

Where is that filtering documented? Archives? 

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[Declude.JunkMail] Processing Order

2004-04-22 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
I am looking at the Processing Order from the JunkMail manual

 1. IMail's Control Access file (to block IPs)
 2. IMail's Kill List (to block return addresses)
 3. IMail v8 anti-spam (most tests)
 4. Declude Virus
 5. Declude Hijack
 6. Declude JunkMail
 7. IMail's filters and extra IMail v8 anti-spam tests

If I use IMail Antispam to add an X-Header for statistical filtering and
HTML features detection, would Declude JunkMail see it? Or are those IMail
tests after JunkMail?


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[Declude.JunkMail] Processing load on machine

2004-04-21 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
If the following is in the Global.cfg file, is it true that 
dnsbl.sorbs.net will be queried once and the result will be 
evaluated 8 times?

SORBS-HTTP  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.2   5   0
SORBS-SOCKS ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.3   5   0
SORBS-MISC  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.4   5   0
SORBS-SMTP  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.5   5   0
SORBS-SPAM  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.6   7   0
SORBS-WEB   ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.7   5   0
SORBS-BLOCK ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.8   5   0
SORBS-DUHL  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.10  6   0

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[Declude.JunkMail] Store and Forward - Outgoing Actions

2004-03-29 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
Wesetup Store and Forward (Imail 8.05, Declude JunkMail Pro) and everything
seems to work correctly. 

But, The manual and archives talk about Outgoing Actions. 

We have a declude/domainname.com directory with a $default$.junkmail file.
Do those tests get performed on the outbound email or is there something
special to make them outgoing tests?

Is Declude JunkMail testing ALL of my outgoing email? I don't think I want
it to, just store and forward email.


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Store and Forward - Outgoing Actions

2004-03-29 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
Thanks Scott.

I think I understand. I guess I'll wait and see what happens.  

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Store and Forward - Outgoing Actions


When an E-mail arrives, Declude JunkMail will use the configuration file(s)
for the recipients, not the senders.  For E-mail where a recipient is not
local, Declude JunkMail will use the outgoing actions, which are the ones in
the \IMail\Declude\global.cfg file.

The \IMail\Declude\example.com\$default$.JunkMail file will be used for
E-mail *to* an @example.com user, but not for an E-mail *from* 
an  @example.com user.

The outgoing E-mail settings are global, and cannot be changed per domain.

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[Declude.JunkMail] black list based on the domain registrants email address?

2004-03-05 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
I'll explain the issue and then ask the question.

We are having trouble with a spammer who registers new domain names every
day and spams our customers from a DSL line with a dynamic ip. They changes
the text a bit each time, leaving us nothing to filter on except this, from
(unix) whois lookups:

Domain Name: POPSERVERDATA.COM
Administrative Contact: Blanch Willson- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Domain Name: TAPESERVPRO.COM
Administrative Contact: Blanch Willson: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Domain Name: WORKDATASERVERPRO.COM
Administrative Contact: Blanch Willson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

We'd like to dynamically build a black list based on the domain registrants
email address. 

Does anyone have this programmed already?

Any ideas?

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] test if recipient's domain name in the sender address

2004-02-26 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
Let me re-state the point:

If the recipient's domain name is in the left hand side of the sender's
address (to the left of the @) then it's probably from a list server. You
could also look for the word bounce in the sender address. 

I don't see how sending through an ISP SMTP server is relevant. 

If it's from a mailing list AND from a DUL or listed in SpamCop or
MailPolice, then it's probably junk.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gerald V.
Livingston II
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 11:00 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] test if recipient's domain name in the
sender address

Not a good test. With port 25 blocking becoming more common to force ISP
subscribers to route all email out through the ISP SMTP server the sender
address is likely to show the ISP email address while the From: line will
show whatever email address they normally use depending on the SMTP Auth
setup.

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[Declude.JunkMail] test if recipient's domain name in the sender address

2004-02-26 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
Is there a test that tells me if the recipient's domain name is in the
sender address? It seems this would be a good tip-off that it's bulk mail,
AND IF from a DUL OR listed in SpamCop, MailPolice, etc. it's THEN it's
probably spam. 

X-RBL-Warning: AHBL: 1067376393 bruns - Spam Source - acumenmedia.com
X-RBL-Warning: MAILPOLICE-BULK: This E-mail came from bounces.asm61.com, a
potential spam source listed in MAILPOLICE-BULK.
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[64.253.207.123]

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[Declude.JunkMail] Bonded senders

2004-02-20 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
Looking on the bondedsender.com web site, I see no where to report things
like this:

Received: from adsl-68-78-114-74.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net
(adsl-68-78-114-74.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net [68.78.114.74])
Received: from ebay.com (data.ebay.com [66.135.195.180])
From: eBay Service [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Ebay Account Update
X-RAV-AntiVirus: This message has been scanned for viruses on
adsl-68-78-114-74.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net
X-RBL-Warning: DSBL: http://dsbl.org/listing?ip=68.78.114.74
X-RBL-Warning: SORBS-DUHL: Dynamic IP Address See:
http://www.dnsbl.sorbs.net/cgi-bin/lookup?IP=68.78.114.74
X-RBL-Warning: SPAMCOP: Blocked - see
http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?68.78.114.74
X-RBL-Warning: NOABUSE: Not supporting [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-RBL-Warning: BONDEDSENDER: IronPort Bonded Sender -
http://www.bondedsender.com
X-RBL-Warning: SPAM-DOMAINS: Spamdomain '@ebay.com' found: Address of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] sent from invalid
adsl-68-78-114-74.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net.
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [68.78.114.74]



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[Declude.JunkMail] something I can add weight on?

2004-02-19 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
I see this in the headers of spam:
 
 Received: from uk2.net (unknown [61.155.209.7])

Is this something I can add weight on? I assume it's a clue. 


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] New CMD space test info

2004-02-19 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
What version / release do we need to be running to use this test? 

 CMDSPACEcmdspacex   x   8   0

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ATTACH ROUTETO action?

2004-01-30 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
I put this in the $default$.junkmail and it doesn't work. Things get routed
but not attached.

WEIGHT20ATTACH
WEIGHT20ROUTETO [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:23 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ATTACH  ROUTETO action?


According to the manual, it seems that only one action can be applied to a
message. Is this correct? Any way we could get an ATTACH  ROUTETO action?

I believe both the ATTACH and ROUTETO actions can be combined, per the 
Multiple actions per test section of the manual.

-Scott

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[Declude.JunkMail] ATTACH ROUTETO action?

2004-01-26 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
Scott,

We use the ROUTETO action on suspected spam to take it out of the user's
mail stream.

When users forward false positives to me from the abuse box I don't get the
headers. Without the headers I have to do a good deal of work to determine
why the message failed. The users (customers), for the most part, are not
sophisticated enough to get the headers and include them in the email. (The
ones who are sophisticated enough are busy and figure I should do it since
I'm the one who generated the false positive).

It would (1) increase our spam filtering effectiveness, (2) save us a great
amount of time and (3) increase our level of custom service (and
satisfaction) if we could use the ATTACH action AND THEN the ROUTETO action.
So, when a customer forwards a false positive we would get the whole message
with the headers and even a description of why it failed. Most of our work
would be done for us. 

According to the manual, it seems that only one action can be applied to a
message. Is this correct? Any way we could get an ATTACH  ROUTETO action?

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL on SPAMCOP

2004-01-22 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
SpamCop blocked the ActiveServerPages list at 15seconds.com (which is not a
source of spam):

List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-RBL-Warning: SPAMCOP: Blocked - see http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?

The problem with SpamCop is, it's only as reliable as it's users. It would
appear that some of it's users are not very reliable. 

We could all report spam cop to spam cop and they'd probably block
themselves ;)

But we do use them in moderation.

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[Declude.JunkMail] restricted mailing?

2004-01-22 Thread paul
Title: Message



Hey guys, I asked this on Imail's list as well, but 
thought I'd see what Declude users do/think:

What I'd like to be able to do, is block all mail 
to a certain account, except from those addresses specified via AUTOWHITELIST. 
Kind of a 'parental control'. Let's say I give my daughter an email address, I 
only want to allow mail from family + friends, but those I specify in her 
contacts list within the webmail, so using Declude's AUTOWHITELIST ON, I can 
weight all mail coming in to her mailbox, say, 100 or so, waaay above delete 
range, but because of the address, it would be delivered. Does that make sense? 


Is anyone else doing this?

Paul





Re: [Declude.JunkMail] restricted mailing?

2004-01-22 Thread paul



This isn't something that I would generally try to promote because 
of the complexity of maintaining it in most cases, but for one's own 
daughter, it might make perfect sense. Something of course though would 
need to happen that caused her to get spam though, so it might not be 
necessary at all.
True, at first, it wouldn't be much of an issue. 

You would need the Pro version to do this of course, 
and instead of weighting things to her address, what you would do is set 
up a weightrange test covering almost everything and then use actions 
(HOLD, ROUTETO or DELETE) in a per-user JunkMail file according to 
the Manual. Whitelisting will prevent an all inclusive weightrange 
test from taking action on an E-mail.Ok, I hadn't thought of the 
per-user configs, we are running pro here, so that's not an issue. I'm just 
wondering the pros to that as apposed to what I had mentioned before. Wouldn't 
having a list of recipients those that were under parental control be 
easier to manipulate? Sure, I have access to all Declude to make adjustments, 
but to make it as user-hands-off as possible, you wouldn't want to do it that 
way..

I guess what I'm asking is: Does Declude have a TO: 
key? like:

mailfrom 15 is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
is there a 
mailto 0 is [EMAIL PROTECTED]? I don't 
see this on the manual site. 

So a filter file would be defined as:

parentalcontrols 
tofile d:\mail\imail\declude\parentlist.txt 
x 100 0

So message comes in, it's addressed to someone in 
the file, given a 100 weight, and deleted. UNLESS the address is on the users 
webmail contact list.

I'm not trying to repeat the same thing over and 
over, but I'm not sure I'm describing this the way I'm trying to make it 
sound Did that make sense? LOL! Basically, does Declude allow you to 
scan for matches on the TO field?

Thanks Matt! I'll look into the per user 
configurations as well.

Paul





[Declude.JunkMail] Address for DNSStuff.com / DNSReport.com

2004-01-19 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
What is the address we can use for DNSStuff.com and DNSReport.com? I know
this has been on the list a few time, but I didn't save those emails and
can't find it in the archives. 

These two domain names are not working for me. 

 server ns1.easydns.com
Default Server:  ns1.easydns.com
Address:  216.220.40.243

 ls dnsstuff.com
ls: connect: No error
*** Can't list domain dnsstuff.com: Unspecified error

 ls dnsreport.com
ls: connect: No error
*** Can't list domain dnsreport.com: Unspecified error


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[Declude.JunkMail] Combo Test . . .

2004-01-15 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
Scott,

If I could assign a weight to a combination of tests . . . 

Specifically, if a message fails both SpamCop and NOLEGITCONTENT (meaning it
has no legitimate content) it is almost certainly junk.

SpamCop ID's more spam than anything else, but the flip side of that is
false positives. 

I guess I could add weight for NOLEGITCONTENT, but if we could COMBO tests
. . .


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[Declude.JunkMail] man, what the heck?

2003-12-29 Thread paul
Geez, am I the only one who's gotten a bunch of spam about a certain
'video'? Sheesh. What are you guys doing to block these? They're all Base64
coded, so regular body tests don't apply. I normally get 1 or 2 spams to my
inbox, but over the weekend I got almost 20 of these, all different IPs,
mostly cable, and different addresses. I added a couple of header tests for
certain phrases, but that's about all I can think of.

What is everyone else doing?

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[Declude.JunkMail] Host Alias Question

2003-12-19 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
I can not find this in the archive . . . 

I have a mail domain with three different domain names:

Official Host Name: TripleBDomain.com

Host Aliases: 3BDomain.com, 3BD.com

Do I need to set up Decule Virus and Junk Mail for each domain name?

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Host Alias Question

2003-12-19 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
I'm confused.

I have :

  Official Host Name: TripleBDomain.com
  Host Aliases: 3BDomain.com, 3BD.com

Some users use the TripleBDomain.com domain name for their email 
([EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED])

Other users use the 3BD.com domain name:
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Yet another uses [EMAIL PROTECTED]

All on the same virtual server using Host Aliases.

Do I need to set up Decule for each domain name or does setting Declude up
on the Official Host Name cover them all?

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 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Host Alias Question
 
 
 
 I have a mail domain with three different domain names:
 
 Official Host Name: TripleBDomain.com
 
 Host Aliases: 3BDomain.com, 3BD.com
 
 Do I need to set up Decule Virus and Junk Mail for each domain name?
 
 That depends on what you are doing.  For a default 
 installation, you don't 
 need to do anything -- all mail to/from those domains will be scanned.
 
 However, if you are setting up per-user or per-domain 
 settings in Declude 
 JunkMail, you should use the official name (unless the 
 address is a user 
 alias, in which case the domain used in the user alias will 
 be used, but 
 that *should* be the same as the official name).
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Host Alias Question

2003-12-19 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
Yes, I have per-domain settings. 

I do not scan their mail for spam unless they pay for it. So, I turn the
domains on individually. 

I assume I need to set up each individual domain in Declude. 

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Getting exec time on less than DEBUG mode?

2003-12-15 Thread paul
 I think this is a feature request:
 
 Is there some way to get the ms exec time on Declude without going to
 debug log mode?  I just revamped my tests (adding a bunch of filters)
 and it sure would be nice to be able to compare before/after execution
 times without getting bombed by debug mode.  My logs are godzilla-sized
 as it is.

 If others think this may be useful, it could get changed.

That would be useful Scott, however, maybe make it a logging ON/OFF switch?
So if you need that to be logged, just have exectime ON or something in
Global.cfg.

Paul

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Interim Releases - A Suggestion

2003-12-12 Thread paul
   Just a suggestion, and it wouldn't be too much work, why not just
 distribute the special interim release in a password protected zip file
 when someone needs a quick fix?

 We may well need to do that.  Or perhaps just a random URL that isn't
 easily guessable.

Well, I've seen from posts here that the interims have helped find/solve
problems quickly, so they ARE helpful. However, they're not for everyone. I
don't run them here, just the latest betas. Maybe Scott, you only offer the
interims to those that request it, sort of a Declude-interim list, that way,
we on the list here don't need to know that i10 has just fixed a problem in
i9, etc, making us think we need to run it, unless it directly effects the
previous Betas functionality. We recommend you run i10 to fix a problem in
1.76 beta, you may get it here. Which would probably just be a new beta
anyway... I think I'm rambling, so I'll stop now. =)

Paul

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisting

2003-12-10 Thread paul
 I have a customer whose is subscribed to some ezine cooking
 recipes.  She is supposed to receive and email each day with a new recipe,
 however, I believe that the Imail statistical filter is catching the
emails.
 Below is what the company sent here showing that our mail server was
 receiving the emails.  My question is, should I whitelist
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the email address or
 [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is in the from box of the emails?  Also,
 how do I go about whitelisting them in Declude?

If you can get around whitelisting them, the better. For instances like
this, I use our negweight file, in it I'd add

MAILFROM -30 IS [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This is the address
Declude is using I believe, if that's the X-DECLUDE SENDER line.

the negative weight should be at least the weight you block on, if not
higher. The IS makes sure it's just that address. Cases where this wouldn't
work would be if the address changes each day. like
[EMAIL PROTECTED], which you can change the IS to
ENDSWITH fijo.mail-list.com.

This way, it's given leeway, and if a spammer tries to use the address,
it'll probably fail enough that the neg weight won't matter much. But each
setup is different.

Paul

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Virus BANNAME option with v1.76

2003-12-03 Thread paul
 The problem has been identified; there was a problem with v1.76 (beta) and
 subsequent interim releases and the BANNAME option.  This issue is fixed
in
 a new interim release v1.76i30 at
 http://www.declude.com/release/176i/declude.exe .  Alternatively, you can
 comment out the BANNAME options by adding a # to the beginning of the
 lines that they are in.

Hmmm, is it after the # of BANNAMEs reaches a certain point? I've had 2
instances of backlogs of mail in the spool in the past 3 months since going
to Imail 8, but stopping/restarting SMTP + Queue Manager got mail moving
again. We have 7.16 here for Declude, with 1 BANNAME listed - photos.zip.
Didn't even realize I was missing the others mentioned.. but I'm not
adding them yet. LOL!

Paul

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] EASYNET tests going away December 1

2003-12-01 Thread paul
Andy,
You have all of these tests running? What's the impact on the server for
all of these? What's your mail load? I just love having to replace all these
tests every month or so, don't we all? LOL! But I want to lessen the impact
on our server as much as possible. What of these tests do you recommend the
most?

Paul



 Hi,

 Yesterday's results of my EasyNet replacement candidates:

 TEST # FAILED   Percentage

 AHBLDOMAINS710.95%
 AHBLPROXIES...7359.82%
 AHBLSOURCES...3514.69% (reliable, so far)

 NJABLDUL..2743.66% (many duplicates with SORBS-DUL)
 NJABLPROXIES1,085...14.49%
 NJABLRELAYS...1181.58%
 NJABLSOURCES..2653.54% (reliable, so far)

 SORBS-DUL...2,664...35.58%
 SORBS-HTTP7379.84% (proxies)
 SORBS-MISC.801.07% (proxies)
 SORBS-SOCKS...873...11.66% (proxies)
 SORBS-SMTP..50.07%
 SORBS-ZOMBIE...300.40%

 A) Do NOT use SORBS-SPAM.  As they point out on their web site, it has
been
 infested with the mail servers of most major providers by the simple fact
 that virus-infected customer systems have been sending arbitrary emails,
 implicating the mail sever of the provider.  I tested it for two days and
 kept lowering the weight until I realized that it was not at all helpful
in
 trying to distinguish spam from legitimate mail.

 B) I have been holding and/or deleting ANYTHING proxy for many weeks now
 and so far never had any customer complaints about lost emails.

 Best Regards
 Andy Schmidt

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How do I block these?

2003-11-07 Thread Paul Navarre
 Is there anyway to block on these extensions (de,ch)? I don't see any valid
 email coming from domains with these extensions.

Just so you know, this is Germany and Switzerland. Obviously you know your users 
better than I do,
but if I blocked all mail from Germany and Switzerland my phone would ring before I 
could log off
the server!

Paul

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Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Opinions on web interface

2003-11-06 Thread paul
 HA!
 Preach on my brother!lol..
 I am also an admin for an ISP, and i too am extremely suck of hearing
people
 complain about spam! like they could do a better job. :-P

Well, similar spot here, BUT I'm VERY leary of giving them any means to mess
up their mail. I'd probably spend more time troubleshooting their mistakes
than in what I do now. I don't need that added pain.  You KNOW it would
happen. I didn't know adding that to my filters would kill all my mail, can
you go in and fix it?

Paul


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[Declude.JunkMail] log analyzer

2003-11-04 Thread paul
I was just wondering if anyone here has ever thought of, or worked on, a
Declude log analyzer that can, similar to Scott's AWESOME bouncefinder, list
the deleted mail? Maybe list it as email address + weight? This way, if
someone calls about missing mail, if you run daily log analyzing, you can
search for that address, find it faster, and make the adjustments you need.

Does this seem feasable?

Paul


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ATTACH Still not working. Bah.

2003-11-04 Thread paul
Matt,
I don't know the answer, but here's another question. on these lines in
your JM log:

 11/04/2003 13:54:02 Q1fc2024f002acd29 Msg failed WEIGHT1319 (Total weight
between 13 and 19.). Action=ATTACH.
 11/04/2003 13:54:02 Q1fc2024f002acd29 L1 Message OK

How can it be OK and failing at the same time?? Am I misreading
something here?

Paul


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[Declude.JunkMail] REVDNS vs BODY

2003-11-01 Thread Paul Navarre
Is it accurate to say that a filter in DECLUDE Pro using REVDNS is more efficient and 
runs faster
than a filter using BODY?

My standard procedure was to add a BODY filter that contains the domain of a link 
found in the spam
messages that make it through other tests. This makes sure that they will be caught 
next time. I've
noticed though that a surprising number of these domains that are found in the body of 
the spam are
also the reverse DNS of the message sender. Am I better off filtering the REVDNS 
instead of the
BODY?

Paul Navarre

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT Outlook Express problem

2003-10-30 Thread paul
 Another thing to try, is delete the e-mail account on the client
completely.
 Restart the computer. Recreate the e-mail account.

Thanks John, I'll give that one a shot as well. I tried adding a return
address, but that didn't seem to work...

Thanks to all who have offered suggestions!

Out of all our users, just 4 or 5 are having this problem very odd
indeed.

Paul


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter multiple CCs?

2003-10-29 Thread paul

 There is a bcc test that you could use.  If you add a line:

  BCC bcc 5 x 2 0

 to your \IMail\Declude\global.cfg file, it will add 2 points to the weight
 of the E-mail if it has 5 or more Bcc:'s (recipients that do not appear in
 the headers of the E-mail).

Wow, when was that test added? I must've missed that. nice test to add I
think.

On that note, what do people consider 'too many' in BCC?

Paul


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[Declude.JunkMail] Weight maybe not working right??

2003-10-14 Thread Paul Ingram
Hello,

I just recived several spams to my box all with weights greater then
I allow (weight of 49). Does anyone see anything wrong here?
  
GLOBAL.CFG
WEIGHT1  weightrange x x 5 11
WEIGHT2  weightrange x x 12 17
WEIGHT3  weightrange x x 18 36
WEIGHT4  weightrange x x 37 0

$default$.junkmail
WEIGHT1  WARN
WEIGHT2  SUBJECT
WEIGHT3  HOLD
WEIGHT4  DELETE

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Backup MX / Spam

2003-10-02 Thread Paul Navarre

You could write a filter that searches the headers for your backup server's IP address.

HEADERS   3   CONTAINS   x.x.x.x

Matt


The problem with this is if your primary does go down (rebooting for a patch for 
example), these
points will be added to *all* email until your primary is back up.

I posted just a few days ago asking if it was possible for Declude to check that 
primary was
functional. If so, there could be a test that would add points for any mail sent to 
the secondary
when the primary is functional. I realize that this would require a new version of 
Declude, but I
think it could be really worthwhile. Nobody responded to my last post, so I wasn't 
sure if there is
some reason why this wouldn't work or would be too difficult.

Paul Navarre

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[Declude.JunkMail] new methods of subjects?

2003-09-30 Thread paul
Has anyone seen an increase in spam with subjects of rr or ss or something
similar? I've seen a huge increase in these, as well as bogus yahoo/hotmail
accounts.

Would filters like these be good?

SUBJECT 0 IS RR

CONTAINS in this case would catch words like correct Hi Barry! etc.
There doesn't appear to be any spaces after the subject.

So far I've seen it for rr,tt,vv,ww, and a few others.

Just looking for input.

Paul


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[Declude.JunkMail] New Test?

2003-09-29 Thread Paul Navarre
Would it be possible to have a test that would check if the highest priority MX was 
running? If so,
then the test should assign a weight if a particular email was sent to a lower 
priority MX.

Paul Navarre

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[Declude.JunkMail] what happened??

2003-09-25 Thread paul
Scott, anyone... HELP!

We upgraded to imail 8.03 yesterday, all was well. I come in this morning,
and try running Delog to scan yesterdays logfile. It can't open. Weird, so I
try to open it in notepad, get Too large for notepad The file is 4 GB in
size! What happened? normally 20MB or so, but as of 8PM, last modified
time, it was 4GB. Today's log is at the same amount currently, what do I
need to do?

We're running Declude 1.76.

Paul


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] what happened??

2003-09-25 Thread paul
I meant to add I did run DECLUDE.EXE after the install, and stop/start the
smtp service. When I left yesterday, I had checked the log to see that it
was functioning properly, and it was logging just fine. Logging is set to
LOW.

Sorry for the lack of info there, I don't like surprises first thing in the
morning. I stopped/started smtp + Queue manager just now, but any other
options are needed.

Thanks!

Paul
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From: paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 9:12 AM
Subject: what happened??


 Scott, anyone... HELP!

 We upgraded to imail 8.03 yesterday, all was well. I come in this morning,
 and try running Delog to scan yesterdays logfile. It can't open. Weird, so
I
 try to open it in notepad, get Too large for notepad The file is 4 GB in
 size! What happened? normally 20MB or so, but as of 8PM, last modified
 time, it was 4GB. Today's log is at the same amount currently, what do I
 need to do?

 We're running Declude 1.76.

 Paul



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[Declude.JunkMail] I know what happened!

2003-09-25 Thread paul
Color me stupid

I deleted the log file for today, and let Declude recreate it. After 5
minutes the file was up to 112K! So, I opened notepad, and waited..
finally opened, and I saw a bunch of lines:

Unknown test type in enter goof here

ARGH! When I edited out entries in our killfile yesterday, I created a test
called FROMKILL, however, I forgot to add MAILFROM 20 IS - I just had the
names... Please excuse me while I go beat my head against the wall. =)

So it should be fixed now.

Paul

thump! thump! thump!

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From: paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] what happened??


 I meant to add I did run DECLUDE.EXE after the install, and stop/start the
 smtp service. When I left yesterday, I had checked the log to see that it
 was functioning properly, and it was logging just fine. Logging is set to
 LOW.

 Sorry for the lack of info there, I don't like surprises first thing in
the
 morning. I stopped/started smtp + Queue manager just now, but any other
 options are needed.

 Thanks!

 Paul
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 From: paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 9:12 AM
 Subject: what happened??


  Scott, anyone... HELP!
 
  We upgraded to imail 8.03 yesterday, all was well. I come in this
morning,
  and try running Delog to scan yesterdays logfile. It can't open. Weird,
so
 I
  try to open it in notepad, get Too large for notepad The file is 4 GB
in
  size! What happened? normally 20MB or so, but as of 8PM, last
modified
  time, it was 4GB. Today's log is at the same amount currently, what do I
  need to do?
 
  We're running Declude 1.76.
 
  Paul
 


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bah, puny spammer!

2003-09-17 Thread paul
 DSBL:6 SPAMCOP:10 BADHEADERS:6 HELOBOGUS:6 REVDNS:4 ROUTING:8 IPNOTINMX:2
 NOLEGITCONTENT:2 COUNTRY:10 COMMENTS:153 SNIFFER:7 FIVETENSRC:5
 EASYNET-DNSBL:7 EASYNET-DYNA:6 EASYNET-PROXIES:5 BH-CNKR:10 SORBS-HTTP:7
 PSBL:5 CBL:5 GIBBERISHBODY:3 VERISCAM:7 BENTALLIPBL:7 BENTALLSPAMHINT:22
 BENTALLSPAMURL:161 .  Total weight = 464

Wow! Andrew, So do you add 1 point per comment? 153 seems an odd total
What are those last 2 tests you have listed? What do they do / how are they
weighted?

Usually I see 70's - 100's. 464, you should send him a Congrats!
message. =)

Paul


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bah, puny spammer!

2003-09-17 Thread paul
 Paul, those last 3 tests are our in-house tests that may or may not be
 suitable for anyone else.

 The first of the three is an IPFILE test that contains our banned IPs.  We
 put them here instead of IMail because we like the logging of the
 mail-handling decisions to all be in Declude's log.

Same here, I have 3 seperate IP lists, IPLIST, mostly cable/DSL IPs, HighIP,
usually IPs like markedmail, etc. and KILLIP, 9 out of 10 is a foreign IP.
As you say, it's nice to have Declude log them, I did it because it was far
easier for me to add IPs to the killip file than going to the server and
updating the control access file.

 The second is a text FILTER test (only availabe with Declude JunkMail Pro)
 that has lots of snippets of spammish body text, including HTML content
tips
 posted here (notably Kami, Bill and Matthew) and our own list of keywords
to
 hint towards a body weight for spam that had made it through to mailboxes
 (e.g. last Christmas' little cars campaigns, and current mortgage and loan
 come-ons).  The test is called 'hint' because every filter line is a low
 weight.

Ok, same here.

 The third is another text FILTER test, and contains URI specific hints as
 well as blacklisted domains (high weights) we see in URLs.  I keep meaning
 to break this file in to two tests; the URI hints and the blacklisted
 domains.

I'd be interested in seeing that, if I may, I've got a BODYTEST set so far
with urls included, as well as phrases.

 The COMMENTS test scored so high because after running for a month with
the
 fixed weight option, and Scott's assurance that it only scores bogus
 comments and that I'd seen zero false positives,  I found that it was a
safe
 test, so I switched to the dynamic weight option, and score with a small
 base weight, and after that, it's up to the spammer as to how high the
score
 will get.

Hmm, I haven't yet adjusted my COMMENTS test to add weight, it simply adds a
WARN line, or HOLD above a certain limit.

 If you're interested in the URI hinting, I'd suggest that you look at
Kami's
 filter files, which are much cleaner than what I could offer.

Kami has been a BIG help to me, I've referenced his files many times.

I'd still like to check out those last 2 filters, if you don't mind. If you
do, I understand. =)

Paul



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[Declude.JunkMail] Declude v1.75 bogs down the server

2003-09-08 Thread Paul Hung

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[Declude.JunkMail] Increased AOL, Hotmail, Yahoo, etc. false positives

2003-09-04 Thread Paul Hung

Has anyone found that AOL, Hotmail,
and Yahoo.com addresses have been failing on the following tests: helobogus,
nopostmaster, noabuse, revdns

These e-mails usually fail these four
tests, and thus trigger my Weight10 rule. I performed a reverse DNS
lookup on several of the IP addresses and found that there was no entry
for reverse DNS.

Any ideas? Is it just me?


- Paul

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Setting MAX Testing Weight

2003-09-03 Thread paul



As was mentioned here before, it's not a BAD idea 
to want Declude to stop after X has been reached, but, what if the whitelist 
came right after that X number? 

Scott, are there any plans to, or can Declude 
already, run the Whitelist tests FIRST, so that if they are whitelisted, forgoes 
any weight testing alltogether? I think that would be beneficial in this case. 
If we list the whitelist tests first, will they be run first? 


Paul

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Todd - Smart 
  Mail 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:27 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Setting 
  MAX Testing Weight
  
   I brought this up last 
  week.Anyone see the benefit beside me? The idea of being able to 
  stop testing once a given Weight has been reached seems to have multiple 
  benefits to me.My numbers indicate that about 45% of my spam would 
  benefitfrom stopping testing at 4X my Hold Weight. 
  
  
  I know that Declude is not a resource hog but my Decludetests 
  have increased dramatically over the past couple months and I don't see them 
  getting any less in the future. 
  
  I've Added
  2 x Subjectspaces
  Spamdomains
  4 x Comments
  Spamcheck
  And a host of DNS tests.
  
   That's my CPU, Bandwidth, and 
  other resources. Andas more and more people move to 
  spam prevention it seems the DNS Blacklists will get more 
  use.
  
  I guess my point is why continue to test and use resourcesonce 
  you reach a certain point where you're3X,4Xor 5Xyour 
  hold weight?
  
   Any thoughts?
  
  
  Todd Hunter
  Progressive 
Systems


[Declude.JunkMail] sure to be silly question

2003-08-19 Thread paul
Ok, I've got a question about the COMMENTS test. Since I have a copy of
every email I've gotten from this and the AV list since I joined, I looked
through them and didn't see my answer. I also looked at the JM revisions
page and found nothing either, so here goes. Below is the line from the
message source of an email I got this morning. VERY bad idea to spam the
guy in charge of email. =)  anyway, since the words gen*eric via*gra minus
the *s in case of filters, are shoen in the email, but seperated by the junk
in the . What's the way to set a block/test for this? I've yet to use the
COMMENTS test, but want to know the BEST way to do so.

Geinput type=hidden name=zZKIrRcpWfFgeyDneric Vip
style=margin-bottom: -20font size=1
color=#FFxvtAXyZLNqZbKsaWiqfpg/font/pagra

Any help is appreciated!

Paul


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] sure to be silly question

2003-08-19 Thread paul
 Another way to scale the weight of this test is to use:

 COMMENTS  comments  weight  x  5 0

 where the test will accumulate the total number of obfuscation comments it
 finds and add 5 to that number and apply that to the weight result for the
 test.

So which is a preferrable approach? I've added the COMMENTS20,40,60,80,100
lines to Global, and WARN actions in $default$, so I'm guessing it's set
now, but if this way is easier, I'd switch. Right now no weight is added,
and just warnings are added to the headers. 80 + 100 are set to HOLD for
review.

Thanks all!

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians

2003-08-14 Thread Paul Navarre
 In my experience, for HOTMAIL.COM in particular I've never seen a message
 sent through a non-Hotmail server.  I think you might have a configuration
 problem if you are seeing tons of legitimate e-mail from non Hotmail
 servers.  Especially since it's a web-based e-mail client I wouldn't think
 they could use anything but Microsoft owned, e.g. hotmail.com, msn.com,
 servers.

I'm glad I posted on this as I am realizing that I am not understanding exactly what 
is going on.
When I had the spamdomains test set at 2/3s of the hold weight, I would find 4 or 5 
legitimate
messages a day held, with spamdomains putting each message over the top.

A quick look in my logs shows that 4 or 5 messages a day is a tiny percentage compared 
to the number
of spammy messages that fail spamdomains.

The problem is that these 4 or 5 messages a day are too many for me. It seems somebody 
is on my case
whenever there is a false positive.

I realize now that yahoo.com was probably a bad example, although I am sure that I 
have seen it
happen. Perhaps Sheldon's explanation is correct.

The bottom line is that I think I need to pay better attention to those false 
positives and see if I
can figure out more about them.

Thanks for the feedback,

Paul Navarre

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Virus Pro and Fprot (DOS)

2003-08-14 Thread paul
 In almost all cases, this is a situation where someone thought it would be
 cool to tweak a setting that they weren't familiar with (Gee, Split
 attachments into multiple E-mails probably will make my E-mail faster!,
 they think).

Heh, in our case it would be Hey, good way to get your message deleted. =)
I've been deleting the Vulnerabilities, and more than 95% have all been
SPAM, only 1 person I've spoken with to correct this problem ever
complained, and as Scott mentioned, he thought it was to help speed up
delivery. I just explained that ANY potential threat to our users is taken
seriously, and we'll not risk the whole for someone too lazy to fix their
mail. He fixed his problem. =)

What about the rest on the list? Do you delete vulnerabilities?

Paul


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians

2003-08-14 Thread Paul Navarre
I've been surprised at everyone waxing poetic over the spamdomains test. I have had to 
give this
test very little wieght because we constantly get legitimate mail from spam domain 
addresses, but
sent through other servers. For example, I see a ton of legitimate email from hotmail 
but where the
sender sent it presumably through their work server.

That's not a knock against Declude. The test works as advertised, and I do use it. I 
just have to
give it very little weight.

Paul Navarre

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[Declude.JunkMail] Filtering (Pro version)

2003-08-14 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
On the Filtering (Pro version) - create your own filters, similar to the
filters in IMail,

1. Is there a space character like iMail filters (/s)
   For example:
   BODY  3  CONTAINS  /ssex/s

2. Realistically, how many rules can you put in a filter file.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Test No Messages

2003-08-14 Thread paul
 Too many people dealing with the msblast virus to complain about getting
 spam...  :)

Isn't THAT the truth sheesh.

And what's even funnier, is the # of machines I've cleaned that have HAD the
update sitting, waiting to be installed ARGH!

What's updates ready to install mean?

Paul


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Virus Pro and Fprot (DOS)

2003-08-14 Thread paul
 I don't delete on any one test.  But currently any e-mail messages that
have
 an overall weight of 50 get deleted automatically.

But that's using junkmail. I'm talking Declude Virus. There's no weights in
virus scanning, it is or it isn't. Some people ignore the vulnerability
detections, others, like me, delete them, some HOLD for review. They may not
be viruses now, but COULD be in the future.

But you are right about junkmail tests, you shouldn't delete mail on one
test alone.

Paul


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[Declude.JunkMail] spamdomains

2003-08-11 Thread Paul Navarre
A few days ago I mentioned that I've had to reduce the weight I give to the 
spamdomains test
drastically due to false positives. Here is an example of the type of thing I am 
running into:

Received: from picturecd3.kodak.com [192.232.121.230] by netinteraction.com with ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-7.13) id A1136D2013E; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:27:47 -0700
Received: from picturecd.kodak.com ([207.160.143.56])
by picturecd3.kodak.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h7B1Kwn15568
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 21:20:59 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
snip
X-RBL-Warning: SPAMDOMAINS: Spamdomain 'hotmail.com' found: Address of [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] sent from
invalid picturecd3.kodak.com.


This was some photos that someone sent a client.

That leaves me with a frustrating choice. I can either fish these out of hold every 
time somebody
does this, or I can reduce the weight precisely for a domain that that really can 
benefit from the
spamdomains test.

Again, this isn't a criticism. I just wanted to show what is happening in the real 
world.

Paul Navarre

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[Declude.JunkMail] Ban Attachments

2003-08-02 Thread Paul Navarre
What would be the best way to delete all messages that contain an attachment using Pro?

Thanks,

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Report System

2003-08-01 Thread paul
Darrell,
looks like you've got a request from everyone on the Declude list! I'd
like to add my name as well, it sounds like a very useful tool.

Paul


   Terry,
   
   I used delog for awhile, but I needed several other features
   that did
   not come with delog.  So I developed an application that had
   all of the
   features that I needed.  Below is a sample report that I
   generated(tab
   format).  The reports can be in tab, csv, or html format and
   you have
   the ability to email them as well.
   
   There are many other things that dlanalyzer can report on.
   You can get
   reports on domains, users, tests, and different reporting
   periods.  The
   combinations are endless.
   
   Right now I am finishing up database support and a few other
   miscellaneous features I wanted to add in..
   
   If you would like to try it out let me know and I will make it
   available..
   
   Darrell
   
   
   Start Time: 6/1/2003 12:00:00 AM
   End Time: 6/2/2003 12:00:00 AM
   Total Messages: 25935
   Messages That Failed: 18252
   Spam Percentage: 70.38%
   
   TEST# FAILEDPercentage
   BADHEADERS  373514.40%
   BASE64  12034.64%
   BLACKLIST   13255.11%
   COMMENTS668 2.58%
   DECREASEIPWGHT  40  0.15%
   DECREASEWEIGHT  557 2.15%
   DECREASEWEIGHTLOW   313 1.21%
   DSBL380714.68%
   DSN 12154.68%
   EASYNET-DNSBL   741828.60%
   FXBLACKLIST 25749.92%
   HELOBOGUS   477618.42%
   HEUR10  289911.18%
   IPBLACKLIST 5   0.02%
   MAILFROM385 1.48%
   NJABL   408 1.57%
   NOABUSE 334112.88%
   NONENGLISH  214 0.83%
   NOPOSTMASTER402015.50%
   OLDEMPLOYEE 29  0.11%
   ORDB261 1.01%
   OSDUL   113 0.44%
   OSLIST  2   0.01%
   OSRELAY 343 1.32%
   OSSOFT  326512.59%
   OSSRC   330812.75%
   POSTMASTER  12  0.05%
   REVDNS  423116.31%
   ROUTING 14875.73%
   SNIFFER 328512.67%
   SNIFFERAV   12  0.05%
   SNIFFERCASINO   159 0.61%
   SNIFFERDEBT 815 3.14%
   SNIFFEREXP  269 1.04%
   SNIFFERGETRICH  630 2.43%
   SNIFFERGREY 421 1.62%
   SNIFFERINK  196 0.76%
   SNIFFERINSURAN  58  0.22%
   SNIFFEROBFUS350 1.35%
   SNIFFERPHARM17276.66%
   SNIFFERPORN 16306.28%
   SNIFFERSCAM 1   0.00%
   SNIFFERSPAMWAR  127 0.49%
   SNIFFERTHEFT138 0.53%
   SNIFFERTRAVEL   438 1.69%
   SPAMCOP 417216.09%
   SPAMHEADERS 416016.04%
   WEIGHT1010482   40.42%
   WEIGHT5 769 2.97%
   WORDFILTER  782630.18%


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[Declude.JunkMail] Is there a test.....

2003-07-28 Thread paul
Is there a test already that checks if the to + from fields are the same?
i.e

to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IP 1.2.3.4

From [EMAIL PROTECTED] IP insert favorite spam IP here

I realize that some people send mail to themselves as tests, but I've seen
an increase in the above.

Paul


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Is there a test.....

2003-07-28 Thread paul

- Original Message - 
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Is there a test.



 Is there a test already that checks if the to + from fields are the same?
 i.e
 
 to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IP 1.2.3.4
 
  From [EMAIL PROTECTED] IP insert favorite spam IP here
 
 I realize that some people send mail to themselves as tests, but I've
seen
 an increase in the above.

 No, there isn't such a test, but we are looking into it (it does get a bit
 tricky because of the total number of addresses, including To:, RCPT TO,
 From:, MAIL FROM:, Reply-To:, Sender:, etc.

That's what I figured, but the 2 we're most interested in are X-DECLUDE
SENDER: and RCPT TO: Let me know if you have any progress in this. I can see
where the confusion can come in for sure. Thanks!

Anyone else seeing this? And if so, how are you fighting it? seems I'm stuck
on just listing the IPs, and adding to my subject filter when applicable.

Paul


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude JunkMail v1.75 (release version) released

2003-07-22 Thread Paul Hung

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] A good SD.TXT File?

2003-07-22 Thread Paul Hung

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[Declude.JunkMail] Filtering Body Content

2003-07-15 Thread Paul Hung

Some background:

Running
Declude Junkmail Pro (how do I find out what version I'm running?)

In
my GLOBAL.CFG, I have the line:

   BADBODY filter C:\Imail\Declude\blackbody.txt
x 3 0

In
the file BLACKBODY.TXT, I had the line (notice the accent on the letter
i):

   BODY 7 CONTAINS penís

I
have the WEIGHT10 rule enabled.

For some reason after I added that line
to BLACKBODY.TXT, Declude decided to start tagging random e-mails as Spam,
even though their content did not have the string penís.
Prior to this, the string [EMAIL PROTECTED] also seemed to
cause the same problem.

Anyone have any ideas? Thanks
y'all.

__
Paul Hung

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] False Positives

2003-07-11 Thread paul
 I am concerned about false positives the time
 required to deal with them.

 Of those of currently runing Declude Junkmail,
 what is your rate of false postives and how
 do you best manage the false postives?

For BEST results, get the PRO version.

Everyone waging this spam fight is concerned about FPs, but as John already
posted, set a high Delete, low HOLD, with Spamreview free go over the held
messages. Nothing is a simple It's there, no more spam solution, but
Declude sure makes that task a lot easier to manage. As for time needed to
deal with it, even straight install you will see a reduction in junk with
some simple tweaks. After you get the feel for how it works, you can create
custom filters pro only and watch the junk numbers drop. The most time is
spent tweaking filters.

Paul


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] argh! change!

2003-07-09 Thread paul
 That's the HOLD action.  Although you can use it, the HOLD action will
 prevent the E-mail from being delivered.  So if you use the HOLD action,
 the recipient will not receive the E-mail.

Right, I understand that option, which is why I'd prefer to be able to COPY
the lower weighted mails to be reviewed by spamreview, but still be
delivered. The way I had it set before, and still do to an extent, was to
copy the failed email to a review area to get headers, etc. to add to
filters with. This way, mail was still being delivered, and we could update
filters at the same time. Spamreview seems to be an easier approach to this,
so I wanted to copy the lower failing mail still let it be delivered and
review it with Spamreview. I apologize if I'm not being clear enough. =) But
I'll assume the answer then is No, you cannot copy lower failing e-mail to
the spam folder for review, this is only accomplished by the HOLD action.
=) If this is wrong, PLEASE correct me.

 Question 2:
 Correct (unless you have modified the configuration to specifically force
 Declude JunkMail to run first).

 Ok, got that, thanks.

Paul


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] argh! change!

2003-07-09 Thread paul
 It sounds like you're looking for an action that acts like the HOLD action
 (by copying the Q*.SMD and D*.SMD files to a specific directory), but also
 delivers the E-mail.  Unfortunately, there isn't anything like that in
 Declude JunkMail.

Right, that's what I was looking for. It makes sense to me now why that's
not practical, that would involve creating a copy of the Q + D files,
causing higher processing time, etc. Better to keep it as it is, it's
working just fine now, no need to mess it up. =)

Thanks Scott.

Paul


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[Declude.JunkMail] argh! change!

2003-07-08 Thread paul
Well, after using the same Declude setup since we started back in October, I
finally just changed the weight system to weight ranges, and altered what is
done to the mail. I've also installed Spamreview, and hope to cut down on
mail copied for review. Here's my question / setup:

here is the setup:
GLOBAL:
WEIGHT10-19W weightrange x x 10 19
WEIGHT10-19C weightrange x x 10 19
WEIGHT20-24W weightrange x x 20 24
WEIGHT20-24C weightrange x x 20 24
WEIGHT25-29W weightrange x x 25 29
WEIGHT25-29H weightrange x x 25 29
WEIGHT30 weight  x x 30 0

Default :
WEIGHT10-19W WARN
nothing listed fot weight10-19c - see question.
WEIGHT20-24W WARN
WEIGHT20-24C COPYTO junkfolder for review
WEIGHT25-29W WARN
WEIGHT25-29H HOLD  SPAM folder for Spamreview
WEIGHT30 DELETE

So far so good, all is logging fine. here's my question:

Can I have Declude COPY the lesser valued mail to the SPAM folder in the
spool? So I can review it with Spamreview? If so, what's the way to do it?

weight10-19cCOPYTOSPAM ?   -- or does this simply create a SPAM
folder for the user?

Question 2: By this point, all messages should've been scanned by Declude as
well, correct? So no viruses should be present in the SPAM folder, unless
something happened to the scanner. correct?

Thanks all!

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[Declude.JunkMail] FROM TESTS

2003-06-19 Thread paul
Sorry for not trying to search this more first, but it's not an ultimate
MUST know, just a can it do this? type question:

Is there a test that checks the FROM and X-DECLUDE SENDER lines to see if
they match? Is that even possible? Granted, when I see a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mail that has a DECLUDE SENDER of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I can just add the first address to a header test.
However, these addresses in legit mail, should match correct? Unless it's a
mailing list, which would cause a FP as they give the senders name but use
the list's name as the DECLUDE SENDER. so I guess it could be more of an
identifier test that heavy weighted one

Thoughts?

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[Declude.JunkMail] DNSstuff problems

2003-06-16 Thread paul
As the subject states, is DNSstuff still having problems? Seems every time I
try a lookup I get a Page cannot be displayed error. Once in a while it
works, super-fast in fact, but seems more often than not it's down.

Just seeing what's going on.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Counting

2003-06-13 Thread Paul Navarre
 How did this get to Weight of 24.

 FILTER-BODY filter c:\IMail\Declude\IMail_Filter_TextinBody.txt x 0 0
 Item Listed had a weight of  4

I am guessing that it caught more than one line in your filter. From what I can see, 
it only lists
the last item caught in your filter file, although it will give all of the points for 
all of the
lines caught.

Scott, is there a way to have it list all of the lines caught in the filter? I would 
find this very
helpful.

Paul Navarre

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[Declude.JunkMail] observation...

2003-06-12 Thread paul
It seems the move of DNSstuff went well! What speed! It hasn't moved that
fast on searches in a long time!

Happy camper.

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[Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist Add-on

2003-06-06 Thread Paul Navarre
I had a situation today that has made me consider the whitelist add-on that I have 
seen discussed
here. With the archive down, I am not sure what the name of it is or where to go for 
more
information. Could someone send that information to me please ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).

Is it just me or does it seem that major ISPs are being listed in more and more spam 
databases? I
had a customer have his rather important incoming email get autodeleted because it 
reached a score
of 31 on a system of 10+ hold and 30+ delete. btinternet.com (British Telecom) is 
listed in about 10
spam databases. It seems more and more I have to give major ISPs huge negetive 
weights, and I seem
to have to constantly make them more and more negetive to keep up. Then more and more 
spam gets
through. From my perspective this trend is becoming counter productive; the spam 
databases are
unrealistic to use individually; even with Declude's superb weighting system things 
are getting more
difficult.

Scott, do you have an opinion about the whitelist add-on? The idea of keeping track of 
who are
customers are sending email to and then having them whitelisted sounds interesting, 
but I want to
know if there are any reasons why this might cause problems.

Thanks,

Paul Navarre

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] question from new user

2003-04-01 Thread paul

 Ok so what are the best tests that catch the most junkmail and not good
mail.

oh if only we knew.. there would be no spam. =)

 Do I really need to subscribe to a service?

We're not and we catch over 70%.

  lastly if i wanted to create a blacklist.txt file I have read the
testfrom documentation and the placeholder is this the name that is used in
the junkmail file for determining what is to be done with this, aka if i had
the line

 TESTNAME fromfile d:\Imail\Declude\blacklist.txt blist 5 0

 would blist be the name I used in $default.Junkmail file

TESTNAME is the name of the test in the above example. So if you make a test
called BLACKLIST, you set it as follows.

BLACKLIST fromfile d:\imail\Declude\blacklist.txt x 5 0 - blacklist.txt is
where you store the data - results given to BLACKLIST, pass or fail. 5 or 0.

Trial and error, that's all I can say. I'll tell you one thing, you learn
alot about e-mail doing this stuff.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] IMail v8.0 and Declude Jinkmail??

2003-03-27 Thread paul

 In any case, we've been through this before, and can do it again.  :)
  -Scott

What's that phrase? If it ain't broke

Certainly the people who are using Declude now wouldn't give up one of the
best and easiest to use programs around to use something proven in the past
to be problematic, and the newcomers to Imail who join the mailing list will
still hear praises to Declude. I don't see a problem. =)

Paul


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[Declude.JunkMail] White list question

2003-03-25 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
We have a customer who subscribes to a real estate service that sends info
via a list serv. The messages are being diverted because they fail a few too
many tests. 

How do we white-list list serv messages when they come from the subscribers,
not from the list?

Here are some headers:

From: preston whisenant [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Save Address 
Received: from lists2.texasstar.net [63.214.164.124] by LandDeals.com
  (SMTPD32-6.06) id AB5E4270284; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:53:02 +
X-Originating-IP: [67.234.71.122]
X-Originating-Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CIBList [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] All emails are now showing up with attachment?

2003-03-20 Thread Paul Navarre
For what it is worth, I am now getting email showing up with attachments in my 
Outlook. It seems
strange as I just installed the latest Declude beta before this happened. However, 
when I go to
webmail I don't see any attachments. I haven't heard from any clients yet, so I assume 
it isn't
happening to anyone else.

I can't imagine this would be related to Declude, but I thought I would mention it in 
case this is
happening to lots of people.

Paul Navarre

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] All emails are now showing up with attachment?

2003-03-20 Thread Paul Navarre
It appears a reboot solved the emails showing up with attachment problem for me.

Paul Navarre

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