Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY and mode selection on radios
I use USB dfor FSK, simply because I want the low side of the signals to show up on the left side of the waterfall, and the high frequencies to show up to the right. Because that puts me opposite than the normal signals, I run both send and receive with the reverse button clicked.' Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: jhaynesatalumni To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 5:44 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY and mode selection on radios --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Becker, WØJAB w0...@... wrote: RTTY should be used in the LSB mode regardless of the band. Well thats when you aren't using the FSK mode for RTTY; the FSK mode does put it into LSB. I don't use software for RTTY so I cant tell you a thing about that. Users of software for RTTY have come around to using USB regardless of band, just for the sake of uniformity. In that case they use a reverse shift switch in the software to make the signals come out right side up.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?
LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION as they used to say. There in Europe, you have dozens of local governments to satisify, in the way of modes and power, bands, etc. Im always supprised to find two governments over there, who agree with anything another two may want to do on the bands. Over the years, that has somewhat worked its way out of the tangle. Then, while we here have sub-bands, you usually do not, and that causes problems here, with modes being broadcast on top of other incompatable operation:, where we are limited to specific band-widths etc. Even here, we have Canada, and the South Americans that we find working band/modes that we cannot reach, but little vice versa. Our Canadian friends usually try to stay out of our cw bands, with their SSB signals, but not all of them. Hopefully, we still are the land of the free - after all, we elect the leadership that puts the FCC commissioners in the job. NO - that doesnt always work out too well either! Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Dave Ackrill To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA? Dave wrote: Jose (and all), My two-cents worth: Olivia is MFSK (or AMFSK), ROS is Spread Spectrum. MFSK is legal on HF, SS is not. It isn't about bandwidth or any of the other arguments. Since ROS is Spread Spectrum then it is not allowed on HF in areas regulated by the FCC under the current rules. Skip is correct here and Andy is right to be concerned. So, American Radio Amateurs are, now, more restricted than other Radio Amateurs in the world? Forgive me. Ever since I was a CBer the USA seemed to have less restrictive laws compared to here in the UK and now we've had more allocated bands than in the US and less restrictive modes than in the US. The land of the free? LOL Sorry, I couldn't resist this after all the years of being told that I was living under an oppressive government. Dave (G0DJA)
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question
Malarkey, unless you are next door to him. If ALL signals are doing so, then maybe it is your receiver, but I much doubt it. You can listen to 14.069 for instance, and hear the two or three kc above that freq, loaded with signals. Watch the waterfall and you will see who is overdriving, by seeing a lot of signals appear and disappear all at the same time. Others will set there with just one trace. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Mark W To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:09 PM Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question I ran into this. I sent the operator a nice email. He explained that the problem was on my end because his sig was overloading my receiver. He seemed to know more than me so I went with his answer. From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DANNY DOUGLAS Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:42 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question To bypass all the technical stuff: just listen to the PSK bands and watch for single stations which show up across the waterfall in numerous places. In most cases, it is because they are sending with too much power. Ask them to decrease power, and the extra upper/lower signals just disappear. Sometimes its difficult to figure outw here they are listening, due to so many strong signals from the same station.Like any other mode, one should always start out with the lowest possible signal, and if they dont answer, increase it a few watts and try try again. We are supposed to use the least power needed for a contact. Thats part of the Amateur operators code, isnt it? Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Toby Burnett To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question See Wes I knew someone much more technicly minded would come up with a wealth of information. Lol Good job Andy Toby mm0tob ---Original Message--- From: obrienaj Date: 18/02/2010 00:47:16 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question Welcome to the group, Wes. That is an interesting question, I look forward to seeing other answers. My answer is rather vague and generalized . I'm going to argue that reduced power is not really the issue, but that reduced power is often associated with no ALC which most point out is a key in not having a over-driven, distorted , signal . I say most because not every ham agrees with this, some thing ALC is not that much of a factor. The prevailing view is that most soundcard modes should not be showing ALC, PSK31-250, Olivia, AFSK ,RTTY, etc, but some modes like JT65A are less prone to this issue. FSK RTTY is also not a mode that would be impacted by this issue. Consider this from PSK Fundementals by Peter G3PLX (http://aintel.bi.ehu.es
Re: [digitalradio] A new Mode !
Sick a shripm on the barbie! Where do I get one of those poles in N. Va? Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Don KF4CUP To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] A new Mode ! and blast it, i just knew i cut it 3/16 inch to short :) 74 On 2/18/2010 10:04 PM, Don KF4CUP wrote: well, dave, wrap me in a snickers wrapper (hi), just put up a rotateable dipole assembled from two 3 segment shrimp net poles without the hoop and netting, cut for 20 meters it shows up at 1.3 to 1.4 vswr across the entire 20 meter band. what's that new mode again? 73 don kf4cup On 2/18/2010 6:35 PM, Dave Ackrill wrote: Andy obrien wrote: http://rosmodem.wordpress.com is announcing a new mode, weak signal. Web site is down currently ...anyone tried the new mode ? You know me Andy, always a sucker for something different to try. ;-) Just downloaded the file and instructions and wondering where to start trying for a two way contact? Dave (G0DJA)
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question
To bypass all the technical stuff: just listen to the PSK bands and watch for single stations which show up across the waterfall in numerous places. In most cases, it is because they are sending with too much power. Ask them to decrease power, and the extra upper/lower signals just disappear. Sometimes its difficult to figure outw here they are listening, due to so many strong signals from the same station.Like any other mode, one should always start out with the lowest possible signal, and if they dont answer, increase it a few watts and try try again. We are supposed to use the least power needed for a contact. Thats part of the Amateur operators code, isnt it? Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Toby Burnett To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question See Wes I knew someone much more technicly minded would come up with a wealth of information. Lol Good job Andy Toby mm0tob ---Original Message--- From: obrienaj Date: 18/02/2010 00:47:16 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question Welcome to the group, Wes. That is an interesting question, I look forward to seeing other answers. My answer is rather vague and generalized . I'm going to argue that reduced power is not really the issue, but that reduced power is often associated with no ALC which most point out is a key in not having a over-driven, distorted , signal . I say most because not every ham agrees with this, some thing ALC is not that much of a factor. The prevailing view is that most soundcard modes should not be showing ALC, PSK31-250, Olivia, AFSK ,RTTY, etc, but some modes like JT65A are less prone to this issue. FSK RTTY is also not a mode that would be impacted by this issue. Consider this from PSK Fundementals by Peter G3PLX (http://aintel.bi.ehu.es/psk31theory.html). Also see http://www.eham.net/articles/12626 The Good Bad and Ugly on PSK31. There is a problem with PSK keying which doesn't show up with FSK, and that is the effect of key-clicks. We can get away with hard FSK keying at moderate baudrates without generating too much splatter, but polarity reversals are equivalent to simultaneous switching-off of one transmitter and switching-on of another one in antiphase: the result being keyclicks that are TWICE AS BAD as on-off keying, all other things being equal. So if we use computer logic to key a BPSK modulator such as an exclusive-or gate, at 31 baud, the emission would be extremely broad. In fact it would be about 3 times the baudrate wide at 10dB down, 5 times at 14dB down, 7 times at 17dB down, and so on (the squarewave Fourier series in fact) The solution is to filter the output, or to shape the envelope amplitude of each bit which amounts to the same thing. In PSK31, a cosine shape is used. To see what this does to the waveform and the spectrum, consider transmitting a sequence of continuous polarity-reversals at 31 baud. With cosine shaping, the envelope ends up looking like full-wave rectified 31Hz AC. This not only looks like a two-tone test signal, it IS a two-tone test signal, and the spectrum consists of two pure tones at +/-15Hz from the centre, and no splatter. Like the two-tone and unlike FSK, however, if we pass this through a transmitter, we get intermodulation products if it is not linear, so we DO need to be careful not to overdrive the audio. However, even the worst linears will give third-order
Re: [digitalradio] RTTY decoding
Rick, When did MixW become free? We, for years, have been able to download it for a trial period of no more than a couple of weeks, then it stopped working, until paid for. Its been a few years, but I think it was around $60.00 about 3-4 years ago, still a good bargin, since it works so well, and has many different modes. Its logbook though, cannot even start to compare with DXKeeper, nor its spotting section with SpotCollector. It does have an interface that works well with DXLabs, and I used that for a couple of days (checking out some digital modes) about a year ago. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Rick Westerfield To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] RTTY decoding Download MixW 2.19. It is easy to install, free and you do not need much of a processor. It uses your soundcard as the modem and an HF radio to gather the signals. Your computer processor is the microcontroller, so to speak. There are numerous sources for the engineering behind RTTY digital signal processing. Interesting stuff and it is a good place to start for young electrical engineers. IEEE usually covers this topic very well and their subscription rates for students are very low. What kind of HF radio do you have? Rick - KH2DF Sent from my iPhone On Feb 16, 2010, at 4:27 AM, sven98de sven9...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi folks, I'm a student and interested in RTTY decoding principles. What methods/algorithms were used, what procedures has the best results ? Is it possible to implement a decoder with a microcontroller or does it have not enough resources ? 73 Sven
Re: [digitalradio] Which Digi Program ??
I agree, I have used most all those programs, and none is as simple or easy to use as MixW. It costs a bit, but is well worth it. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: F.R. Ashley To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Which Digi Program ?? John, I believe the author of AirLInk Express (KR1ST) has abandoned that program. The AirLink Express webpage has been Under Construction for several months now. I used it briefly and it was indeed a nice and simple program. Digipan is free and nice, so is HamScope. My favorite, although not free, is MixW. It does everything and is simple, not confusing or distracting like HRD or MulitPSK. I use MixW with both my newer FT-2000 and my old Kenwood Twins. 73 Buddy WB4M - Original Message - From: Music Maker To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:07 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Which Digi Program ?? . . Hello Happy Hams After returning to Amateur Radio after a very long absence, I am 'messing about' with digital modes - all of which are totally new to me, and at almost 75 years of age, my one very slow remaining braincell. I have downloaded and appraised all the programs I could find mainly for PSK 31, that will work with my little M0AQC (Alan) Interface. All seem to have their own individual merits and de-merits. MutltiPSK for example for its many supported modes - DigiPan or MixW for their simplicity.But for facilities, information, sheer complexity (for me!)Ham Radio DeLuxe. Sadly, it doesn't seem to integrate well with my aged but well loved Kenwood TS 520 SE !! However, the program that appeals to me the most at the moment (this may change as my experience and knowledge improves), is certainly Airlink Express - I rarely see any stations using this, and the numerical favourite on air seems to be MixW. There obviously can't be a program that is 'One size fits all' - but for me, not one of them has all the elements I want, without loads of features I don't !! I would be very interested to hear what programs others use - particularly with 'Boat Anchor' Kenwood Transceivers (520, 530, 820, 830) For reference - and to save hunting around for Digi Software - I think most of it is available for download at this site - http://www.xs4all.nl/~nl9222/digisoft.htm I am at present writing up my experiences in detail on my 'Amateur Radio Blog' on the Web Page at :- www.John4Music.TV Kind regards and 73's to all from this white, windy and cold country called 'England'. 'Global Warming' - I think not !!! HI de John G3OBU
Re: [digitalradio] Clublogs... K3UK #1 ..surely someone can knock me of my perch ?
Im not sure what has to be done. I joinedthe digital league, but when I look at the results, it is still showing 5 members, as it was before. It also has results for only three people, so dont know when it is supposed to check and start reporting new league members. I do have my full log (up till 3 days ago) uploaded, so surely it doesnt have to be done again. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: obrienaj To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:51 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Clublogs... K3UK #1 ..surely someone can knock me of my perch ? Surely I can't be ranked number 1 for much longer ? Well, only five members have joined and only three have uploaded a log, but I am still number 1. I am not sure how well the copy/paste will translate here, the link is http://www.clublog.org/browse.php?club=49 League for DigitalRadio Club - 5 members Rank Callsign 160 80 60 40 30 20 17 15 12 10 6 4 2 70 Total 1 K3UK 1 5 0 27 8 81 3 44 0 54 1 0 0 0 95 224 2 G0DJA 0 10 2 13 4 37 2 2 0 0 1 1 11 1 41 84 3 AF6AS+1 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 Join and upload your log to knock me of my perch. Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] Clublogs... K3UK #1 ..surely someone can knock me of my perch ?
But my logs are already uploaded, and can see them on all sorts of different reports - just nothing when I look at the club log page for digital radio. Assuming it is going to take some time to get around to putting it all together. I assumed we dont have to upload after joining into any league. That would be a royal pain. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Andy obrien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Clublogs... K3UK #1 ..surely someone can knock me of my perch ? When I first tried an upload, I missed a submit type button, I think it said please click here after log is uploaded. On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:26 AM, DANNY DOUGLAS n...@comcast.net wrote: Im not sure what has to be done. I joinedthe digital league, but when I look at the results, it is still showing 5 members, as it was before. It also has results for only three people, so dont know when it is supposed to check and start reporting new league members. I do have my full log (up till 3 days ago) uploaded, so surely it doesnt have to be done again. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message -
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Clublogs... K3UK #1 ..surely someone can knock me of my perch ?
Thats odd. Havent looked, but you surely must have many different digital contact modes than me. Mine esentially are rtty and PSK, with a very few MSHF a couple HELL, etc. from some time ago. Maybe I just have more countries. Will look at it a bit later. as trying some 160 tonight, and finally - fainlly - got LZ1ANA after almost two months of hearing him and tearing my hair out when he just CQd again. He is making lots of contacts tonight, so if anyone has been trying, this is the time. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: obrienaj To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:56 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Clublogs... K3UK #1 ..surely someone can knock me of my perch ? Danny is listed and knocked me of my perch! --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, DANNY DOUGLAS n...@... wrote: But my logs are already uploaded, and can see them on all sorts of different reports - just nothing when I look at the club log page for digital radio. Assuming it is going to take some time to get around to putting it all together. I assumed we dont have to upload after joining into any league. That would be a royal pain.
Re: [digitalradio] Clublogs... see standings versus others
I had a bunch of pages of rejected contacts, where it tried to say they were different countries, than I had logged. They were correct on a few of the eastern block USSR countries, when all the changes were being made there. Most of those have been straightened out, and the only mistakes now are such things as its refusal to accept mobile contacts such as stateside/M4, still wanting to log them as England. Changes are being made on a constant basis, and each one brings the data base more up-to-date, and correct. If one has definite proof, such as a QSL card, or some data base showing the correct country, then club log guys are more than willing to straighten the items out. But, you cannot expect them to be 100 prcent correct, as of this stage. I had a couple of contacts with expedition guys, usign separate calls, at the expedition sites, and they bounced them, until I proved that indeed they were correct, and it came out I was the only one (so far) who uploaded those particular calls to the system. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Dave AA6YQ To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 2:20 PM Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Clublogs... see standings versus others There have been several reports on the DXLab reflector that Club Log ignores the DXCC entity uploaded with each QSO, attempts to determine the DXCC entity itself from its database, and sometimes gets it wrong. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Andy obrien Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 8:35 AM To: digitalradio Subject: [digitalradio] Clublogs... see standings versus others -- Forwarded message -- From: Rob - G4LMW g4...@btconnect.com Date: Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [skcc] SKCC Now Listed at Clublogs... see standings versus others To: s...@yahoogroups.com Thanks Andy Can I correct the URL: http://www.clublog.org ClubLog is a GREAT facility. The best bit is that it helps you to correct the actual DXCC entity that you have worked. There is a massive database of callsign sitting behind it that tells you if the VP8 that you worked was in the Falklands or Antarctica etc. 73, Rob G4LMW http://www.G4LMW.co.uk
Re: [digitalradio] RTTY contest today ?
They are saying JT contest, whatever that may mean. Ive joined in with several dozen QSOs, giving signal report and zone, no one has said it was wrong, so guess its right. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Russell Blair To: Digital Radio ; RTTY Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 9:14 AM Subject: [digitalradio] RTTY contest today ? What RTTY contest is running today, lot of EU call test ? Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
Re: [digitalradio] RTTY contest today ?
I assumed that is what it meant. Mongolian contest? Just how many Mongolian stations are there? Good thing its not that you can only work Mongolians, as that would make for a very short contest, point wise. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Patrick Weatherford To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] RTTY contest today ? www.contesting.com Mongolian RTTY DX Contest: Z-2400Z, Jan 9 Mode: RTTY Bands: 80, 40, 20, 15, 10m Classes: Single Op (Low/High) Multi-Single SWL Max power: HP: 100 watts LP: 100 watts Exchange: RS(T) + CQ Zone Work stations: Once per band QSO Points: 0 points per QSO between JT stations 1 point per QSO with same country 2 points per QSO with different country, same continent 3 points per QSO with different continent Multipliers: Each DXCC country (except JT) once per band Each JT station once per band Score Calculation: Total score = total QSO points x total mults Submit logs by: February 28, 2010 E-mail logs to: jtdxrtty[at]gmail[dot]com Mail logs to: Mongolian RTTY DX Contest P.O. Box 830 Ulaanbaatar-24 Mongolia Find rules at: http://www.hornucopia.com/contestcal/mongoliandxrtty2010.pdf Russell Blair wrote: What RTTY contest is running today, lot of EU call test ? Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
Re: [digitalradio] Re: IZ8BLY's PSK63F + PSKFEC31
That is odd. I wonder which psk31 software you are using. I use WinWarbler, and it is able to copy almost every signal seen across a wide spectrum of 2 K or so, at any given time. Few if any of them are uncopyable. It copies traces that I can barely see, as well as spurs up and down the band from people running thos 50 watt rigs. Fyi , I run wideband copy, meaning there may be 40 signals across the spectrum I can see on the waterfall, and with my normal TS570S SSB filter. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Glenn L. Roeser To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: IZ8BLY's PSK63F + PSKFEC31 Hello Skip, I hope that shift happens because with the band conditions the way they have been, we do need something other than PSK31. Most of my PSK31 contacts are not very good print and I lose a lot of what is being sent due to QSB. And I have noticed that the power levels are creeping up and up. Years ago the top power levels for most PSK31 ops was about 15 watts output, now the norm is 35 - 50 watts. And even with higher power levels they print is far from being 100% print. Let's see if it catches on. Time will tell. Very 73, Glenn (WB2LMV) -- From: KH6TY kh...@comcast.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 10:50:20 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: IZ8BLY's PSK63F + PSKFEC31 Glenn, I think in this case, it will be possible to see a paradigm shift if we start a major movement to PSK63F. The typing speed is as fast as PSK31, and the tuning is just as easy (not so with MFSK16), and if the minimum S/N is truly better than PSK31, hams will gravitate toward that like they gravitate to Olivia (which is uncomfortably slow). The gravitation is always toward the best performing mode, if there isn't anything else that makes it undesirable or hard to use. The problem is letting everyone know what mode is being used, and if RSID can do that, I suggest that serious activity on PSK63F be started right away just above the PSK31 activity. It is essential to know where to look for a particular mode as it is especially confusing to see a PSK63 signal and not have it decode because it is PSK63F. We will be adding PSK63F to fldigi very shortly. 73 Skip KH6TY Glenn L. Roeser wrote: It seems to me that we have been down this road before comparing the different digital modes. One thing is for certain, no matter what modes there are that may do much better than PSK31, 99% of all operators will always use PSK31. It is almost impossible to get more than 3% of the operators to try something new. Very 73 to all, Glenn (WB2LMV) From: Vojtech bubn...@seznam. cz To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 7:41:56 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: IZ8BLY's PSK63F + PSKFEC31 PSK63F is implemented in PocketDigi, source code is available. PSK63F is in all cases better than PSK31. The only advantage of PSK31 is its smaller bandwidth. The other benefit of PSK31 is quick turnaround. But I agree that PSK63F shall be exercised and will be very useful at marginal conditions. 73, Vojtech
Re: [digitalradio] VHF Digital?
Ive worked a few stations rtty on 6, but there arent many - apparently capable. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: k5myj To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:32 PM Subject: [digitalradio] VHF Digital? Does anyone use an digital modes on 6M FM or 2M FM? In the 60's and 70's we used AFSK RTTY on these bands. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa.
Re: [digitalradio] VHF Digital?
In my case, the kenwood ts570sg has 6 meters already on it, so it can be operated digital just like the rest of the bands on the rig. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Rotten Robbie To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] VHF Digital? I'm curious to what is the reason for a lack of interest on VHF/UHF FM to do anything other than talk on the local repeater. The Rigblaster has everything necessary to connect a computer to a VFH RICEBOX. I have been looking at being able to control the RICEBOX through the microphone connector. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. Real Radios Glow In The Dark - Original Message - From: DANNY DOUGLAS To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] VHF Digital? Ive worked a few stations rtty on 6, but there arent many - apparently capable. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: k5myj To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:32 PM Subject: [digitalradio] VHF Digital? Does anyone use an digital modes on 6M FM or 2M FM? In the 60's and 70's we used AFSK RTTY on these bands. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa.
Re: [digitalradio] AFCW and keyed cw programs
I guess they exist, but I do not not of a keyer that outputs audio (afsk) keying to a rig. Generally your hand key is just shorting two wires, to the key input jack which is real cw. I run a computer with software to provide on/off keying, and parallel that with a regular hand key and/or a bug, thus am able to use either type keying at any time. My TS570s has two key input jacks, one for external keying such as from the key/a keyboard/computer etc, and the other to an Iambic key, and the rig provides the cw from that. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: f6...@free.fr To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] AFCW and keyed cw programs Hello, Keying directly gives possibility to put a true keyer in parallel to the computerized keying, this to be able to either type letters or key the letters according to the feeling of the day. However, in hard keying , if the speed is not too much fast (=25 wpm), computerized dashes ans dots are OK but the precision of the duration being limited under Windows, very fast keying will be not very good (as far as i know). 73 Patrick Selon DANNY DOUGLAS n...@comcast.net: NO- AFCW is NOT better, and if you use it, half your contacts with tell you they hear some audio getting into your keying. I used it a few times, early on, and that is the results. Remember, you also will be using SSB, versus continus wave keying signals, and thus outputting less RF signal. Stay away from it, if at all possible. I hadnt gotten that far with FLDIGI, but if it uses only AFCW, Im gone. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: James French To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:43 PM Subject: [digitalradio] AFCW and keyed cw programs I have used a couple of programs for generating cw and have found that I prefer a 'direct' keyed method (MixW) compared to the AFCW that some programs use (FlDigi). Running Linux BTW here. Was wondering why some programs used direct keying of the radio and others have gone the AFCW method? Is there something that I am missing here that makes AFCW a better choice or is it just a program writer/designer choice? Doing AFCW just doesn't 'sound' right to me when I am doing cw compared to the 'old' method. Are there any linux distroed programs that will do the direct keyed method? I haven't found any yet..:( MixW crashes when I try to run it in WINE here. James W8ISS
Re: [digitalradio] AFCW and keyed cw programs
NO- AFCW is NOT better, and if you use it, half your contacts with tell you they hear some audio getting into your keying. I used it a few times, early on, and that is the results. Remember, you also will be using SSB, versus continus wave keying signals, and thus outputting less RF signal. Stay away from it, if at all possible. I hadnt gotten that far with FLDIGI, but if it uses only AFCW, Im gone. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: James French To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:43 PM Subject: [digitalradio] AFCW and keyed cw programs I have used a couple of programs for generating cw and have found that I prefer a 'direct' keyed method (MixW) compared to the AFCW that some programs use (FlDigi). Running Linux BTW here. Was wondering why some programs used direct keying of the radio and others have gone the AFCW method? Is there something that I am missing here that makes AFCW a better choice or is it just a program writer/designer choice? Doing AFCW just doesn't 'sound' right to me when I am doing cw compared to the 'old' method. Are there any linux distroed programs that will do the direct keyed method? I haven't found any yet..:( MixW crashes when I try to run it in WINE here. James W8ISS
Re: [digitalradio] Grey line DX on 30M, an illustration from today
The angle of the sun there also shows exactly why I see a lot of 1s and 2s spotting stations on 160, an hour or so before the sunse/sunrise here, and we are on the same east coast. It makes it quite difficult for one or the other of us, when a DX or DXpedition says they are working the east coast (west coast same way) and then just when things look like they are getting good, they change their target area. I wish they would look at a map like this, when making those types of decisions. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Vlad_UA6JD To: Andy obrien Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Grey line DX on 30M, an illustration from today Hello, Andy. You wrote : While folks are almost assuredly aware of the DX to be had when following the grey line, this might be of interest. http://www.obriensweb.com/30mdx.jpg I configured PSKreporter to display digital DX received by my station AND others that shared the FN grid square (all of FN ,much of North Easy USA) just as darkness was creeping in. Interesting results. Andy K3UK Another , new step in propogation picture, was WSPRnet - you can see real propogation in any band in real time Best regards 73 Vlad UA6JD
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Dxing and long winded digital ops
I agree, they are useful for things like this. But at times!! Why, when I have just resonded to someones call, and used his name and thanks for a qso from Podunk city, does he need to come back and give me his name and QTH? Its like people who dont listen to a conversation, telling you something you just told them. Or , you listen to a guy working a pileup, and each and every QSO he has to give the same info, in the same format etc. etc. He is also givning each and every staiton a 59 or 599 report, even though he had to ask them three times for his signal report, and twice for names and QTH. You know he is just hitting a MACRO . The 100 people sitting by trying to get his attention are all going to get the same info, in their turn. So, it behooves us all to use them properly, and only when needed. Oh - and Yeah, dont come to me with a Macro ON cw AT 40 WPM, if you cant read 40 when I come back to llyou. I see way too much of that. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: F.R. Ashley To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Dxing and long winded digital ops Good points by G3OBU. I find Macros to be quite useful. I use them to send info that is part of a normal QSO. I use them for program operation, such as ALIGN:1500.. I imbed Macros to log the QSO when it ends. I have macros loaded with QSO info in several different languages. Why should I have to manually type things like that every time I have a QSO? That makes far less sense than using a macro. What does it matter to you if I send this info via a Macro or by typing it? You can't tell. I make full use of macros and will continue to use them, and you'll never know it. If you don't like them, don't use them. Or maybe turn on your Macro User Detector (MUD), which immediately terminates any QSO when a macro is detected. Have a bitchin' 2010 Buddy WB4M - Original Message - From: John Netro-N9WVM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Dxing and long winded digital ops I am not a typist when it comes to ragchewing on digi modes can't find the letters fast enough, I don't keep my fingers on the keyboard they qay I learned in high school typing class if I have to type some thing to a contact I type it in while he is sending then put the macro to finish off the qso N9WVM --- On Sun, 12/27/09, Music Maker jhaddle...@msn.com wrote: From: Music Maker jhaddle...@msn.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Dxing and long winded digital ops To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 7:45 AM Hi Folks, I fully understand everyones point of view over Macros, and hate them myself. I must admit (as a very recent newcomer to Digimode), I do use the Macro for calling CQ, but more often return to others calling. I would love to 'ragchew', but here in Europe, there are some underlying reasons why this is a rare occurance, and total Macro QSO's are the norm. Most operators in Europe can't speak enough good English to conduct a conversation, (I can't speak Russian at all!), so Macros provide a way of doing it. Secondly - and this applies world-wide - some operators are not very good typists, and are embarrased by their slow speed. Add to this dyslectic, disabled, and even illiterate, and Macros offer these people a life line. I am the fortunate one, as I am a competent 'touch typist' and am quite happy at anything up to about 50wpm, so obviously am very comfortable in a 'rag chew' - How many other Amateur Operators are really comfortable and competent typists? (as a percentage of the whole). Just my Point of view. John G3OBU . . . . . . --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, obrienaj k3uka...@.. . wrote: I'm all for a good digital mode rag-chew...but allow me to be the Grinch on Boxing Day and gripe about digital ops that take FOREVER to sign-off when working DXpeditions and the like. Today when trying to work a needed entity , and with a fading band, I had to patiently wait my turn while others that had got through were sending such none sense as how many QSO's they had
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Need your help picking HF radio.
That drift is the one thing I would worry about. When I first got into the new digital (anything other than sstv-rtty-cw) I read that the older tube rigs just simply would not do the job, due to natural drift. Thus, never tried one on the new modes - as already had a solid state rig at the time. Given the fact that you are copying just a few cycles of bandwidth, I would have agreed they would not be the way to go. But, maybe this has proven otherwise. I wouldn't go out and buy a tube rig, with that in mind though. There have been solid state rigs for 3 or more decades now(TS430s comes to mind) and even before that you had the Drake TR7 (which I never owned but salivated for). One of the things that most people are saying today is that it should have narrow band capability filters, which I simply don't understand, when you are talking about PSK. Why? I run WinWarbler software (part of the free DXLab suite of programs) and I run it on its broadband capability which allows one to see literally dozens of stations being copied at the same time. A narrow band filter would not allow that. I have yet to see a PSK signal on the waterfall, that I cannot copy.In fact, it copies many that I would not know were there, if I were to depend simply on the visual signals of the waterfall. I use the TS570s, which has the capability of only one extra filter, and have chosen the 250 cy cw filter, for cw. It isn't simple to use that for SSB use with the PSK mode, but some have figured out how to do it. I see no reason to do so, haven't delved into that. The rig does have audio filters, that work fine for any mode, if I decided I needed to use it (and often do with SSB and CW). Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Alan Wilson To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Need your help picking HF radio. I applaud you for using the digi modes. These old guys, and I mean guys who are stagnant and don't care about learning are sad. You are either losing or gaining in knowledge there is no status quo. Enough of that, my first venture into sstv was with a swan 700cx and at about 30-40 watts the power supply went. I later tried a tentec which worked good but drifted too. I'll have to rig up the kenwood and see how it does on psk...that will be interesting. I normally use 746pro using the accessory jack, donner interface and laptop and usually hrd as the software. For contests I use fldigi...73 es happy new yearAlan http://bitterrootradio.ning.com/ John Alan, First, I have to congratulate you on venturing into digital modes. I cannot tell you how many older hams scoff at the newer digital modes as if they were nothing but teenage fads. I started in 1972 and I also started with a Kenwood TS-520S and an SB-220 (my third rig, the first one was a Hallicrafters TX and National Rx). I am still somewhat new to digital modes, but my perception is that most digital modes work through the audio in/out either rear panel or through microphone. The newer radios have specialized input and output in rear panel and I cannot recall if TS-520 did. Choosing a radio with this interface makes life a lot easier. I have not yet used the digital I/O of my ICOM 756PROII and I think I still use the audio I/O for digital modes. In some ways, the older tube radios a little better suited to digital modes b/c the tubes are more forgiving for a longer duty cycle operation. While you should not be transmitting more than 20-30 watts, mostly to avoid splatter on the PSK band-slice, you can push the power a little and not worry about thermal shutdown on the earlier transistor radios. I also refound SSTV. My first SSTV unit was a handbuilt LC circuit that changed voltage based on KHZ off resonance to decode SSTV and a small reel to reel tape recorder to save transmissions. But now with a computer and built-in sound cards you can have a blast even without much interface. Anyway, welcome and thanks for sharing your experiences. Michael K3MH
Re: [digitalradio] Techs on HF digital
I do not understand the instance of 200 or more watts. Most gear made in the past, and even the majority of rigs made today, run 100 watts. Lets keep it to that, or lower, to avoid pushing everyone into thinking they need an amp for digital modes. It becomes a rat race, with the biggest rat wanting the highest power, and then still leaving off those who have neither the money, nor the QTH where an amp could be use . Level the playing field for these guys and dont encourage them to use more power than necessary to make a QSO. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Rik van Riel To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Cc: Gary Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Techs on HF digital On 12/15/2009 12:55 PM, Gary wrote: I thought I'd run something up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes: I would imagine, the license limitations would have to state something like a maximum of 300 baud and 500 Hz bandwidth with a 200 watt power limit. There may be other limitations that might be nice to toss into the mix but this is a starting point for discussion. IIRC the Tech license pool does not include all the questions about RF safety, nor about use of the ALC, etc... I believe the power limit and frequencies HF use by Tech licensed amateurs should be low. Maybe 10-20W power limit, in a few limited frequency ranges (staying away from the most crowded bands). I could see adding 30m digital privileges to Tech, maybe 80m too, but 20, 40 and 15m already have too many people who don't know their what their ALC readout means :) -- All rights reversed.
Re: [digitalradio] Techs on HF digital
Im not sure where to go with this. I appreciate the fact that you agree with many of us that the dropping of the CW requirement for Extra was the wrong way to go. Many others will disagree with that, and like politics, they won and we all have to live with that decision. But, it is no reason to give up and just quit. You have made your own personal decision to learn code, and indeed that does make one more able to fullfill the ideal of a ham radio operator, in the view of many inside and outside of ham radio. That simply means you have the skill to use that mode, unlike many newcomers to the hobby. Back when it was required, though, many passed the test and never again touched a key or tried to copy a CW QSO. That was a personal decision, much like learning enough electronics to pass the test, yet never opening the case of a rig, or building even the simplest circuit. Again, a personal decision, but at least one has the capability to do so later, if he so desires. As for the QSL card thing, I would disagree with the idea that no one sends cards. Just ask the bureau sorters today. They report higher and higher numbers of cards handled, almost from a month to month basis. My incoming envelopes are coming more often, and are stuffed fuller with cards, than ever before. I design and print my own cards today, just like I have for the past 43 years or more. It used to be a much more difficult procedure, but with the computer, it is but a moment of my time to print up, and cut, another few cards. I certainly appreciate my home made cards, and those of others who do the same. Yes, a nice double sided, colored, postcard type QSL is nice to look at, but simply costs money on the part of the sender. Mine, and other homebrew cards require some artistic output on our own part, and I think they even more represent the true spirit of ham radio. So, dont buy 1000 cards. Print a few, and see how many you use. That allows you to change them, if you find you need to add new information, or remove old. A change of address, calls, DXCC status: or adding your zone or grid square is easy to do. This year is the 100th birthday of Boy Scouting in the USA, so my latest cards have a picture of Baden Powell, the founder and indicate its my 61st year in the program. Oh, and yes, I do upload to both LOTW and eQSL, and appreciate receiving confirmation matches on LOTW, because those come faster, and one can be assured they really do count for any of the ARRL awards for which they have been announced (DXCC-WAS) . I simply have way too many cards here already, and do not need another 50 or 100 French or English or German cards, etc. I do have at least one card for every country worked (333), and though I appreciate the fact that others may want a card - and do send one for every one received - I like the fact of savining both money and time when I do not have to send out another card and the ham on the other end says LOTW please.I do not use the eQSL awards program, but see no reason to refuse to upload to that program, for the other guy. Oh, and by the way, its not just the powerhouse stations using LOTW, many many of my matches and verifications are from 100 watt stations (or less) from around the world. Right now, my country status is: Real cards 333 - LOTW 269 - eQSL 199. Proof in the pudding - hams still use real cards. If the powerhouse stations were not using LOTW, by the way, you might just have difficulty getting a card from some of them anyway. Who wants to sit around and fill out 100,000 cards? Eventually you would probably get one, if you still wanted it, but in the meantime, the rest of us have already got itconfirmed and verified in the DXCC program. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159
Re: [digitalradio] cognitive radio systems;?
It seems to me that this is all in preparation of dehumanizing amateur radio as we know it. Technology moves on, and maybe that is one of the reasons we seem to be getting older and older. Young people look at it, and ask why they need to bother to learn code, or even electronics, since they can just push a button someone else has put in front of them. It does sound exciting for our military, government, commercial businesses to have and be able to communicate, since they really are not interested in anything other than the capability to move data as easy and quick and cheaply as possible. As for me, this is a hobby, and I want to be in charge of my own thinking, and thankfully there are still going to be radios that allow me to push buttons, turn knobs and press switches to choose my own operating band, and modes. It is great to have technology available to help me make those decisions; such as propagation forecasting, RSID etc. but then those still require ME to make the final selection of where I want to transmit and how I want to operate. I believe we are getting out of the decision making process with too much technology and might as well forget about contests etc. when having to compete with such technological forward stations as you mention here. As an individual with limited financial means, who will never be able to afford the best and most powerful technology I am, even today, depressed when I tune around and find the big contest stations giving out numbers in the hundreds,within an hour or so the beginning of the contests, mainly due to the technology of the day. Expeditions seem to be in the same numbers mode, attempting to work as many contacts as possible, no matter that they may be working the same operator 30 or more times, to the expense of the actual number of hams who are able to get thru. This all may sound like sour grapes to those who are pushing these innovations, but I do really worry about the future of this hobby, and where it is heading, but I have heard others saying the same things. As one who has enticed young people into the hobby, taught classes and encouraged operating: I am having more and more problems convincing them that this is something that they want. They already have computers, cell phones, blackberries, whatever berries, so why do they need radio? I could let them read about cognitive radio systems, but I still wonder if that is enticement, because they can already pick up the phone, or key the keyboard and talk anywhere in the world, without worry about sun spots. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Bob McGwier To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] cognitive radio systems;? Andy and others: I think you mean that the people who programmed today's radios are smart. They have written excellent DSP algorithms to process the signals YOU select for the radio. Suppose we have a radio capable of doing any kind of waveform we wish to do (gnuradio is a step in the right direction). http://gnuradio.org/trac But suppose we built radios with algorithms in them to do sensing, measurement, of the environment for interference, large signals that will not be co-channel but can generate intermodulation distortion which does result in inband interference, estimates the quality of the path, etc. Some systems do something like this in rudimentary form already. HF Automatic Link Establishment was set up to replace the smart operator, which a smart radio. It sounds the channel repeatedly and if two radios operating using HF ALE wish to connect to exchange information, the two radios, based on the data gathered from the sensing algorithms from a pool of frequencies assigned by the system administrator. This is radio with some artificial intelligence in it, that does not need a software defined radio behind it. But let us go much further. Let's get the FCC to pass rules that allow almost any waveform within reason and assign this operation to any vacant television channel, i.e., the so called white space rules now being put into place. Such a radio system will be equipped with a complex set of sensing algorithms. These algorithms have one job: fine the best set of parameters to put into our software defined radio to allow us to communicate with (say) the internet. The radio is COMPLETELY in charge once it has been informed by settings, databases, sensors, etc
Re: [digitalradio] Techs on HF digital
Sounds like an excellent idea to me, to get them involved in digital modes. I do not, however suggest it be within the CW bands. And keep them limited to less than 50 or at most 100 watts. Other than RTTY, I see no reason whatsoever to run that much power on PSK etc. Todays rigs easily are adjustable upward from 5 or so watts, so it is no problem to limit power to less than full output. I thought getting rid of Novice, was the worst (or maybe second worst) thing that the FCC ever did. We have always had a problem getting new ops to purchase equipment and get on the air. In the Novice days, and because they had actually worked at getting the ticket, I would have estimated that 90 percent or more got on the air. I never heard it was now anything like 10 percent though, and that would be terrible if it is that wide spread across the board. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Gary To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:55 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Techs on HF digital I thought I'd run something up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes: With the currently extended low sunspot cycle reducing the occurrence of 10 meter openings to near zero, there is little to offer new hams for radio operating opportunities besides VHF FM. Many of the people who attend our Technician license classes are interested in doing much more than chatting with the local guys on a local repeater. Sure, VHF SSB is a possibility but for us rural folks, even that provides slim pickings for distant contacts. We are seeing a very low percentage of newly licensed people ever buying a transceiver and getting on the air. We are estimating that number to be less than 10%. Other clubs in our area are experiencing the same problem: good turn out for classes and lots of licenses issued but few new hams getting on the air. It may be that VHF FM is not a viable stepping stone to getting very many new folks active in Amateur Radio. Being an old fart, I naturally began as a novice operating CW on the HF bands. Finding other stations to make contact with was never a problem as there was always activity on either 40 or 80 meters, depending upon the time of day. Making contact with other stations hundreds of miles away was common. While that same opportunity is available today, at least theoretically, CW operation is not part of a new ham's skill set. So... Here is the idea. Would you be amenable to allowing Technician Class licensees to operate digital modes in the Technician CW bands and do you think that would be of interest to new hams? I would imagine, the license limitations would have to state something like a maximum of 300 baud and 500 Hz bandwidth with a 200 watt power limit. There may be other limitations that might be nice to toss into the mix but this is a starting point for discussion. Your thoughts? Gary - N0GW
Re: [digitalradio] Techs on HF digital--Just a course in safety?
I have to disagree with this one. The one reason we have for being able to legally work on or even build our own equipment is that we supposedly have proven at least some technical knowledge and ability in the electronics field. Where does it stop? CBers cannot even tune up their own gear, let alone build it, and the great difference is that they havent proven their ability to do so. Yes, I know, a majority of todays hams simply dont open the case of their rigs, but many of us do. It all comes down the the point: we are allowed to do so. Even a Novice was allowed to do so. The systemitic steps upward to Extra class were intended to encourage us to learn more, in order to gain more bandwidth and modes. Take that away, and we could just throw up our hands and let Sears and Walmart sell ham gear to anyone who walks in. Where would we be then? (Yeah, cheaper gear- with lots more ignorant operators who arent there for the hobby, but to jam the rest of us?). Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred,
Re: [digitalradio] Fw: [KA9QJGREPEATERS] Differences between netbooks notebook/laptob computers
Was reading up on the netbooks recentlyi, and seems like their speed and capability are pretty near what normal computers were, just a short few 5-6 years ago , or even less, except for the fact they have no cd/dvd built in. Also, of course, no db9 connectors, etc. They do have, though, jacks for an outboard keyboard, mouse, monitor, and frankly if I had a notebook, I would be using those here in the house anyway. But, also the OS can be an iffy situation. I noticed, of the three on stock at the local Walmart, one of them had XP in it (about a month ago- now maybe W7?). It was only about 50 dollars less than the cheapest laptop, and given the fact it had no CD reader/writer, and the laptop did, it would simply make no sense to purchase it, over the laptop. Both said the battery hour supply was within about 20 minutes of each other, land that seems to be a great distinction in prices between the whole display sitting there, price wise. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Andy obrien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Fw: [KA9QJGREPEATERS] Differences between netbooks notebook/laptob computers A timely post with Christmas soon upon those that celebrate this gift-giving holiday. I was thinking about a Netbook for my teenage daughter but with a full featured laptop only $50 more, I opted for the laptop. For portable digital mode ham operations though,a netbook might be quite useful. Andy K3UK On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Paul Webster ka9...@yahoo.com wrote:
Re: [digitalradio] Ham Radio Programs for Windows 7
The whole DXLab suite, including WinWarbler, SpotCollector, DXKeeper all work with windows 7 just fine. Not only that, but they have been recognized as the best of all suites to keep track of your DX cards and LOTW, as well as eQsl, for those that use them. You also simply cannot get a better support group via dxlabs yahoo group. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: kd7jeh To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:13 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Ham Radio Programs for Windows 7 I did a search for windows 7 on this group and found nothing. I just purchase a laptop with windows 7 home edition. Has anyone here know of programs for Windows 7? My favorite PSK31 is Digpan, but I don't think it will work with this OS. de kd7jeh
Re: [digitalradio] Re: 7036kHz Digital ops
In this case, its the rest o the world versus ARRL. The darn band is now wide enuff, they wshould stop transmitting SSB in the lower half of it. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: jhaynesatalumni To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 6:17 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: 7036kHz Digital ops But it's not ARRL vs. IARU in this case; it's FCC versus the rest of the world. 7070 is not in a phone band in the U.S., but is in some other countries. If it were in a phone band in the U.S. then U.S. hams would not be able to operate digital modes there.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: DominoEX 11 is more democratic
The big factor in ham radio contesting is MONEY. If you have a lot, you can virtually buy your way into the big boys club (in fact - that is what makes one a big boy). That leads to the very large array type contest stations. Of course, they are going to win out every time ove the guy sitting at home with 100 watts, and dipoles, and even those with a kw and/or a 100 ft tower and 6 element multi banders. And before anyone starts yelling SKILL SKILL SKILL, at me; think on this. Two people, with who wind up on the same calling freq, at the exact same time, call the DX. They live across town from each other, and the propagation cloud favors each other the exact same way. Nw - who is going to get thru first? First will be the guy who has the better antenna? Or the person with the higher power? Yes- voice can and does have some input here, and the one who has a better radio voice, has the best chance. Lets say one is a YL, and one a deep husked OM. You know who will make it first in that case. But lets say they are twins, and not only use the same radio, but the same mike. Now who will get thru? How often will such take place? Not at all likely,for sure, but if one has 6 elements at 100 feet, and the other 3 elements at 30 feet,you can bet the one with the higher antenna will get thru first , 99 percent of the time. So, again it comes out to money. So what does all this mean? Those who are really equal in equiptment/location etc. really do have an equal opportunity in the test. Those who have lesser equipment, must then depend more on their skills, in order to compete. Yes - their are different levels of competition, and those with 100 watts and a diipole can and do get in the contests, and sometimes even win - as long asthe competionis others within the same equipment constraints. But, given just a handfull of stations running the same 100 watts, but with a multitude of very tall towers, then the former might as well take down and pack their shingles, as far as putting paper on the wall goes. The very best time Ive seen, contest wise, was my first and only Novice Roundup. Limited to 70 watts input, we didnt have power stations in there competing. And, yes, some did have better antennas than others, but the vast majority were just younger guys, with no money to speak of, and who had thrown up homebrew wire dipoles. Ones skill and wile really did make all the difference in the world. TheWorld Radio Championships of today are sort of that same way. Each pair of contesters, assigned a station with similar antennas, power, and location: competes only against others of the same class. The winners? Those who prove themselves to be the better tacticians and on-air operators! That is real contesting. Any of us can be invited to a multi-multi big boy station, and sit there our apponted hour or so at a time, and yell into a microphone, hooked to a rig (set on one freq the whole test), running into a KW max output, run to a 4-7 element single bander and score point after point after point. Now lets dont take this wrong, many, and probably most, of those operators are indeed the top cream of the crop , and that is why they have been invited there in the first place- having proven themselves in their own stations as top notch contesters, over the years. They are given the leeway to change freqs as necessary, according to props, and to start searching when their thruput numbers start to drop, etc. So, their actual radio skills do come forward at that time. Of course here, we are talking of SSB ops. The CW world is a whole other thing. Contest stations dont invite the slow and unskilled to participatein those stations, during a contest.Those operators are indeed picked from the already skilled. But to get back to the equal opportunity that the rest of us face, its pretty not much there anymore, unless you have the money to make your station better than everyone elses, there is NO equal opportunity for you, and doing that no longer gives the other an equal opportunity competing with you. Self esteem come from what you do, with what you have. There appear to be more and more people working contests, so it seems that people are doing so, knowing from the get-go, they are very unlikely to be in the winners circle. Maybe they do what I do - work a few for other awards, such as DXCC or the Marathon award. Its just not worth it to me, to sit here 48 hours, banging away, with no real hope of winning a conterst, but it definitely is worth the effort to put in a few hours for those fills I need. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http
Re: [digitalradio] Disinformation about ALE by N5PVL Re: Getting serious about ALE / LID factor
On the other hand, lmost of the early responders to the Extra ticket, went there because that was where the DX was. How about saying that ONLY the extra portion of the band could be used for the contest? Hi. Im sure to get static on that one. ts the same though, when I read some spot begger asking that dx come up to the General portiion of the band. Gut reaction -- Get a ticket that lets you work the DX - that is why the different class tickets were born. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: James French w8...@wideopenwest.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Disinformation about ALE by N5PVL Re: Getting serious about ALE / LID factor On Tuesday 24 November 2009 21:45:18 DANNY DOUGLAS wrote: I have seen the same thing. One of the problems is that 20 and 15 are the two dx freqs in the daytime, where we might reasonably contact other scouts, in the rest of the world. I.E. That is the typical Scout hangout for contacts. Most activity is late morning/early afternoon, because of other activities, such as cooking, eating, and traveling. We must work around all other regular Scout activities, in order to get a few hours in, on the air. Its not only that, but many people work all week, and the weekends are their sole period of time for hamming. If they like to DX at all, they have but one choice: join in the contests. Many simply do no like that. Frankly, I am tired of seeing the suggestion of trying other bands. Maybe they have only one antenna, or have pretty much worked those bands out (if and when we get some sunspots), or its daytime and the low bands are not open, or night and the high bands are not open. To tell someone that if they don't like contest interference, to go someplace else just seems a bit much to me. Id tell the contesters to go someplace else: like a specific portion of each band, and stay there, and allow others to enjoy their hobby also.Harken back to the old Novice Roundup. It was only on the Novice bands, gave plenty of time and space to Novices and anyone else who wished to join them, and was a real training ground for CW ops. By the way, IT WAS TWO WEEKS LONG, and I do not remember anyone complaining about interference, except Novices whose crystals put them slap atop a foreign broadcast station, who was out of their own international assignment areas (lots of those - Radio Moscow, Chinese broadcaster, Radio Tirana, etc). Danny Douglas N7DC I just got done with the November Sweepstakes PHONE weekend. My observa- tions about this weekend that might pertain to the non-contesters. The contest didn't start until 4pm EST which gave plenty of time to demonstr- ate to others (not just scouts) what can be done on HF. After 4pm, forget about trying to make a QSO for ragchew purposes. I don't go 'camping' out on a frequency either like a LOT of stations did. Also a LOT (95%) of those stations were camping out within a few KHz of other stations and causing a LOT of interference to each other. Wether they could hear each other or not, that is just not for me to do. There was PLENTY of space to spread out between stations to avoid that. Plus the power some where running, I personally didn't think they needed to run that much power 99% of the time. As for the CW weekend, there was plenty of space to operate in especially since most CW was done in the cw only portions of the bands. I didn't notice any qrm to other stations for cw and it seemed like they went out of their way to be considerate to others. Here is a consideration that someone could PROPOSE to the major contest sponsers: = You can operate ONLY in the General portion of the bands for contests. That would free up this much space for each band for those non-contesters: 80m - 200khz 40m - 50khz 20m - 75khz 15m - 75khz 160 and 10m would have to be a compromise. I would say: 160m - bottom 100khz of the band 10m - from 28.300 to 28.600MHz so as to include the Technician and Novice classes. IF I am correct, that would free up the PSK, SSTV, and RTTY suggested freque- ncies from contest QRM and allow general qso's to be conducted during conte- sts. Does anyone want to propose this to the contest sponsors or is this something that shouldn't even be suggested. I am NOT an avid contester but I also do NOT like to do many long drawn out ragchews either. If I want a ragchew, I will do that on six, two
Re: [digitalradio] 7036kHz Digital ops
Apparently they are not cw ops, and dont care. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: k6acj To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:22 PM Subject: [digitalradio] 7036kHz Digital ops Why have USA PSK stations moved down from 7070++ to operate in this region that is typically used for CW? Bill K6ACJ
Re: [digitalradio] 7036kHz Digital ops
I would have tought, with them getting a double wide band, they would have gone upward, if anything. Leave the cw to the lower portion, but who knows what evil lurks in the heart of a non-cw op. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: KH6TY To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] 7036kHz Digital ops I think it was done to align with the European PSK31 stations who traditionally used 7035 for PSK31. Really messes up the PSK40 transceivers which are crystal-controlled on 7070. :-( The QRP calling frequency moved from 7040 to 7030 and RTTY slid down to around 7040. I have not kept up to date, but it is probably due to the new allocations on 40m worldwide. Skip KH6TY k6acj wrote: Why have USA PSK stations moved down from 7070++ to operate in this region that is typically used for CW? Bill K6ACJ
Re: [digitalradio] Ham HF networking digital communication systems
And, you just lost the Mystery of radio communications. The unknown factors are not there, when you punch in a telephone number. It would be a heck of a lot cheapter to just phone home. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Siegfried Jackstien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:26 AM Subject: AW: [digitalradio] Ham HF networking digital communication systems ..snip From our mobile phone, we can instantly call a friend on their mobile phone in a distant part of the world, and it will ring... Can you do the same thing with your ham radio? -snip Yes I can do ... with echolink . but there is something missing in the system . It should be possible to connect to an echolink node and tell the node that you are available via this node (with dtmf tones) Something like the mybbs in the packet net .. Nowadays if I move through the country I have to start the contact to my hamfriends at home cause they do not know where I am in this moment .. If I wanna connect o another friend who is somewhere in the country we have to make a sked on a third node (1 node where he is, 1 node where I am and another node that we know the number of to make a sked) In the other way when telling the system that you are in the area of node xyz it would be a lot easier . Somebody knows my nodenumber at home or calls me via call sign . the system knows that I am not at home but available at node xyz .. Now there are different ways The node where my hamfriend connects to echolink tells him: dg9bfc is available at node number 12345 Do you wanna connect? Push button 1 ... node says : you will be connected to node 12345 Do you wann leave a message? Push button number 2 .. And leave the message in the system Now echolink makes a store and forward to the node where I am and plays the message that would be an echolink system what I would like more as the today system no question echolink is good but it could be used from more hams if it was a bit better in some cases hams who don´t even have a computer have a unique number cause you can also call in echolink with the callsign hams who have connected to echolink with a pc have more than just one number the number code from their callsign and the nodenumber from the pc when they are at home so when somebody calls my homenumber and the pc is off .. there could be an announce that tells the other guys that I am not at home but reachable via xyz or an announce to leave a message (at my home pc if available or in the system with s+f) . etc. etc. etc. s ... echolink is quite good . but could be made a bit better ... just my 0.02$ dg9bfc sigi ps if somebody in this group knows the programmer of echolink please feel free to store and forward this mail to him .. Maybe he likes the idea
Re: [digitalradio] Disinformation about ALE by N5PVL Re: Getting serious about ALE / LID factor
I have seen the same thing. One of the problems is that 20 and 15 are the two dx freqs in the daytime, where we might reasonably contact other scouts, in the rest of the world. I.E. That is the typical Scout hangout for contacts. Most activity is late morning/early afternoon, because of other activities, such as cooking, eating, and traveling. We must work around all other regular Scout activities, in order to get a few hours in, on the air. Its not only that, but many people work all week, and the weekends are their sole period of time for hamming. If they like to DX at all, they have but one choice: join in the contests. Many simply do no like that. Frankly, I am tired of seeing the suggestion of trying other bands. Maybe they have only one antenna, or have pretty much worked those bands out (if and when we get some sunspots), or its daytime and the low bands are not open, or night and the high bands are not open. To tell someone that if they don't like contest interference, to go someplace else just seems a bit much to me. Id tell the contesters to go someplace else: like a specific portion of each band, and stay there, and allow others to enjoy their hobby also.Harken back to the old Novice Roundup. It was only on the Novice bands, gave plenty of time and space to Novices and anyone else who wished to join them, and was a real training ground for CW ops. By the way, IT WAS TWO WEEKS LONG, and I do not remember anyone complaining about interference, except Novices whose crystals put them slap atop a foreign broadcast station, who was out of their own international assignment areas (lots of those - Radio Moscow, Chinese broadcaster, Radio Tirana, etc). Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Rick Karlquist To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Disinformation about ALE by N5PVL Re: Getting serious about ALE / LID factor Alan Barrow wrote: I do radio with boy scout troops when camping. And find increasingly, that contests are making weekend operation very difficult. It's hard to find a weekend without a major contest, sometimes more than one. Have you tried 60, 30, 17 or 12 meters? No contests there. Rick N6RK
Re: [digitalradio] Digital busy detect -Winmor
My only question here: Is this a required part of the program, or can it be turned on and off? Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Andy obrien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Digital busy detect -Winmor FYI, the author of Winmor advised me that 3rd party busy detect IS part of Winmor. If the client attempts to call the server and the server dtecets another signal, the connect is not allowed. This, as Dave has consutantly pointed out, is to be expected since the Winmor author has shown the ability to design a similar busy detect feature in SCAMP. Andy K3UK On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Phil Williams ka1...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, seen that myself. philw de ka1gmn On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com wrote: WINMOR's busy detect works perfectly at the initiating station's end, a pop-up windows tells you the frequency is in use and ask if you really want to go ahead and transmit. I have not seen it work at the other end, i.e. prevent another station connecting because a third party is also detected at the receive station's end. Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] Disinformation about ALE by N5PVL Re: Getting serious about ALE / LID factor
Bonnie, sitting on the side, I see both sides of this. You, on one hand, always appear to be pushing expansion of new modes (which is good in some respect - that's what makes for advancements in science), but on the other hand, you appear to always want to push other users away, with broader bands, higher speeds, and be dammed with any mode you do not want to use. I haven't been reading much of your output this past year, because I truly got tired of seeing that, particularly when you seem to just ignore the expense of present users. I would like to remind you that many of us have, over and over, been the victim of some digital mode popping up on a busy frequency, and driving us off. You could make a great contribution to acceptance of these new modes, if you would just step up and agree that it happens, and that the contributors (program writers) should write in for busy frequency checking of the bands, before transmitting their own signal. We already require this of CW/SSB/RTTY/PSK etc. users. Why should a user of these higher-newer modes not be held to the same requirements? With your knowledge and experience you can make a great contribution here, but really need to help cut back on the push to allow interference to others, for advancement to techonology. Please give this some thought. And by the way, contesters are a very main reason for advancement of technology in antennas and hardware - and they have been here a long time. ( I agree, they too should be limited to set sub-bands within the spectrum, but that is unlikely to happen because the sponsors are quite unwilling to accept the facts of their interference to other users). Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: expeditionradio To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:23 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Disinformation about ALE by N5PVL Re: Getting serious about ALE / LID factor Charles, Your constant efforts to spread disinformation about ALE use in ham radio shows how little you know about how hams are using ALE. If you are really concerned about lids on HF, start with the #1 primary source of QRM: contesters. Bonnie VR2/KQ6XA --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Charles Brabham n5...@... wrote: The system was not designed for use on amateur radio's shared spectrum, and that is why it's use is not appropriate there.
Re: [digitalradio] using fldigi
OK Roy, thanks, But I am usign Windoze XP here. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Roy G. Jackson n...@arrl.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] using fldigi Hello Danny. I was having trouble with my 570D, also. I could not get any kind of rig control working in either Fldigi or CQRlog. I finally read that there was a problem with the latest hamlib release. I downloaded the .xml file for the 570D and loaded it into the Rigcat settings. Fldigi took right off after that. CQRlog still doesn't work. I suppose it uses the hamlib files only. I can remote from Fldigi to CQRlog, so that has been a work around so far. Look for the linuxham group in Yahoo! Groups. Good luck and 73. Roy N9RG DANNY DOUGLAS wrote: Been pulling what is left of my hair out here, trying to get fldigi to operate CAT with the TS570sg, but so far it just sits there. Is there not a Yahoo group for fildigi? Cannot find any such thing in Yahoo. Is there another generaql group for them, anywhere? All I find is groups using it, with specific modes, specific this, specific that. But I need someone who has got it working that can setp me thru what settings I have wrong here. The rig/computer/rigblaster, etc. all work fine on all other software I have tried, but just cant get it going on fldigi. Coppies the different modes I have tried it on, but will netiher read from or two the rig, and doesnt even recognize there is a rig that has been definied. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 Suggested frequencies for calling CQ with experimental digital modes = 3584,10147, 14074 USB on your dial plus 1000Hz on waterfall. Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Yahoo! Groups Links Suggested frequencies for calling CQ with experimental digital modes = 3584,10147, 14074 USB on your dial plus 1000Hz on waterfall. Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: digitalradio-dig...@yahoogroups.com digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: digitalradio-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] using fldigi
Been pulling what is left of my hair out here, trying to get fldigi to operate CAT with the TS570sg, but so far it just sits there. Is there not a Yahoo group for fildigi? Cannot find any such thing in Yahoo. Is there another generaql group for them, anywhere? All I find is groups using it, with specific modes, specific this, specific that. But I need someone who has got it working that can setp me thru what settings I have wrong here. The rig/computer/rigblaster, etc. all work fine on all other software I have tried, but just cant get it going on fldigi. Coppies the different modes I have tried it on, but will netiher read from or two the rig, and doesnt even recognize there is a rig that has been definied. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159
Re: [digitalradio] Digital on 2M FM: Audio settings ?
Well - I would try it, but Im in Va, and you are in NY. so doubt 2 fm would get that far. Have you tried 6 meter FM digital? Should respond the same way, with better props! Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Andy obrien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Digital on 2M FM: Audio settings ? Thanks for the feedback guys. I will play around with the settings...once I find a person to contact on 2M. Andy K3UK On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Tony d...@optonline.net wrote: Andy, I believe you have a Kenwood TS2K(?). If so, there is a way to control the digital mode audio level on FM. If you're feeding the audio through the microphone connector, menu 41 has a low, medium and high setting. If your using the 13 pin DIN plug, the audio input can be adjusted via menu # 50. Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] Why would anyone
A simple understanding of props: Station A listens, and hearing nothing on the band, normally sends a quick QRZ?, and if no one responds, figures he can go ahead and transmit a signal/CQ or whatever. Station B hears that, and responds to station A. Now with both stations manned, they both have a chance to listen and suddenly, someone (station C) comes up and tells station B that the frequency is already in use. Station C has not been hearing station A and probably still doesn't hear him, but now station B is interfering with an ongoing QSO between stations C and D (he didn't hear D before he transmitted, but that station was already there transmitting to station D) Then station B would ask station A to QSY for their QSO on a different freq. That happens all the time, and is the way it should be. Now lets take your automatic station: E comes up on the freq, and transmits, without listening to anything first. The ops at F hears E and even though he is sitting on the freq, he hasn't heard anything else and he then transmit to F. Suddenly stations F, H, I, etc etc who are working SSB on and very close to the station now have some kind of maddening raspy interference on top of them . Who is that? Why, its probably station E, or maybe F if he just didn't hear those stations operating when he first responded to E (maybe they were silent and listening to someone else there, that F didn't hear). So how can the operator at station F be responsible for the QRM being caused by E, if he doesn't know it is QRMING anyone else? He cant, and wont. Both E and F are responsible for their own signals, and for interference caused by their station and no one can really disagree with that! That is exactly why the majority of hams are saying that automatic operation on the HF bands needs to just go away. When an operator is sitting a position, he can indeed listen, transmit,and then respond to people with whom he is interfering. Without that important person, the automatic station will not do so. It just happily tools along, continuining its interference to others who were already using the freq. Many have already asked that this operation stop, until such stations can be programmed to listen for frequency use, before its initial transmit on the freq. With that facility built in, most all the complaints would simply go away. You would then have your capability to run auto stations, within the present bandwidth parameters, and would have a legal transmission on the air. Meanwhile, without that ability, you do not. Many of us see the usefulness of such an operation and encourage it development, but only with the auto stations software being able to determine frequency use before its initial transmission , and then being able to respond positively, if someone comes up immediately on the same freq with a signal of a different mode.Once the two digital stations have initiated a QSO, they would not have to stop and QSY or worry about other signals coming in somewhat latter, and this would stop others from intentionally interfering with the digital QSOs, just to make trouble for them. I understand the capability is already developed - it just needs to be accepted and used by ALL automatic stations. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Jeff Moore To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Why would anyone Charles, I'm going to disagree with your statement: [see below] I just spent a day operating on all of the various pactor modes and we never heard any other qso's during that operational period get interfered with. Contrary to what your statement implies. The automated pactor stations don't initiate qso's, they respond to qso's initiated by live operators. It falls on THOSE operators to insure that they are not interfering with other qso's in progress, not the automated response stations. Unless I'm missing something here, none of the Winlink 2000 automated stations initiate transmissions, they only respond to requests. Jeff Moore KE7ACY DCARES - Deschutes County ARES Bend, Oregon - Original Message - From: Charles Brabham Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Why would anyone John: [snip] For several years now, PACTOR III emissions have been responsible for thousands opf QSO's being willfully interfered with by amateurs with automated stations running absolutely no busy
Re: [digitalradio] Why would anyone
I think one of the prtoblems is that those narrow subbands where auto stations are allowed, do not mean that other stations are NOT allowed. I know that I personnaly do not remember exactly wehre those are, since I dont work the mode. I look at the chart here and see that I am allowed sideband from 14.150 up to 14.350 and simply insure I stay within those parameters. I listen to a freq, find nothing there, ask anyone on freq, and getting no response, go ahead and transmit. I may or may not get an answer or a QSO. If I do, and am talking to someone and something wide and noise crops up, I consider it HIS fault. Not mine.Frankly, its one of the reasons I got my extra way back in the 60s. I didnt wont to have to worry about all those stupid sub bands and whether I was allowed in a particular part of the band or not. As a novice, I had to remember them. HI. So regular feqs mean not much to those who arent in the mood for a change of mode. But I believe that is much to be blamed for all the QRM . Guys hear a clear freq they are allowed to use, start working, and have an auto station fall on top of them. I was out of the country 30 years ago, and frankly do not remember a thing about those starting up, until I got back here and suddenly started hearing them. I will be the first to admit, I have not either transmitted on, or received those modes, as am simply not interest at this time. Yes- I too make it a habit of watching the waterfall here (using WinWarbler for rtty/ssb/cw operations), and wish more people would do that. Even when they do not intend to use software for the QSO, it gives a much clearer indication of what is happening on the bands, and certainly is useful when looking at ones on receive filter capability. Using it to watch what happens when using the DSP slop, of the TS570s, is a great indication of how to make your own settings - how the different ones affect the target signal, as well as nearby QRM of different types. It simply is a great tool for ham operators, and wish I had such a tool back when I was working as a professional communicator. Believe it - we hams are in much better shape for that type of thing, than the professionals of just a few years ago.Even our propagation software today would run rings around the sounders, etc. we had to use back then. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Charles Brabham To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Why would anyone Danny: I think you forgot about the automated sub-bands. They've been there for close to thirty years, now. If station A operates in the regular frequencies and avoids the rather narrow slivers of automated sub-bands outlined in PART97, then the chances of station A being interfered with by a ( legally operating ) automated station are nonexistent. As you have pointed out, inteference is an issue that we all have to work to avoid. For digital stations that are automated, using busy detection is the only responsible and rational way to operate, even if it is not required as part of the protocol, as is the case with AX25. I thought you did a good job of pointing out some of the basic difficulties we face in this area. My favorite busy detection system is a pair of Mark1 eyeballs, watching a waterfall display ( I do not hear well ) or simply by listening before transmitting. This is why I have a dedicated waterfall display for the frequency that my automated station operates on, and keep an eye on it throughout most of the day. Packet's carrier detect does a pretty good job at mitigating interference so I don't see much interference from that type of signal. I do however see WinLink stations do a lot of damage from time to time, as they do not listen before transmitting at all. Since day one, hams have been outraged when somebody comes on frequency without listening to 'tune up' with a carrier that is really pretty narrow... The PACTOR III signal is 2.4-2.5 kHz wide. 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL Prefer to use radio for your amateur radio communications? - Stop by at HamRadioNet.Org ! http://www.hamradionet.org - Original Message - From: DANNY DOUGLAS To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Why would anyone A simple understanding of props: Station A listens, and hearing nothing
Re: [digitalradio] Fast/Wide Slow/Narrow
That is exactly the question. The next person may say that 9.6 is too slow for him. We refer back to the speed limit on road, and knowing human nature. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: obrienaj To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:01 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Fast/Wide Slow/Narrow but Dave, ...how would we define get the job done. I might feel I need to transfer my message at 9600 baud on HF but others might argue I should be patient and accept a 300 baud transfer. Andy What we really need is a rule that says you should use the minimum bandwidth needed to get the job done, just as we do with power. -- Dave Sparks AF6AS
Re: [digitalradio] Fast/Wide Slow/Narrow
Back to the anology. Auto (ground based) speed have nothing to do with aircraft speeds. Aircraft were developed off-road, and did not interfere with auto carriageways at all. To this day, new records are being made by aircraft, away from other aircraft users. Land speed records are normally made, again, away from normal roadway surfaces. When either of them are developed to a particular speed/saftey situation, then improvements are made as new planes are put in the air, or cars put on the road. They are still limited to the roads, or air spaces where everyone else is, and mandated to certain speeds/locations, just like the vehicles developed and in use that are already there. They will not, and cannot suddely go faster on the ground than the other cars on the road (and sometimes not in the air - remember the SST which was limited so that it would not break the sound barrier over US land?) If spectrum can be identified, which is not populated by other stations/services, and which will not interfere with other previously licensed , I would say go to it. Improvements are always welcome, as long as their developments do no interfere with other legal users. The devlopment of new modes and methodology is great, and should be encouraged, but should be targeted to use the bandwidth which is already legal, and not push to suddenly widen, therefore take over that which is presently being enjoyed by operators who use them as a hobby, and personal enjoyment. I salute those with the technical knowledge, ability, and drive to develop these new modes, but ask them to direct their long term targeting to share, not take over amateur radio, for purposes other than what the large majority are using it. The government welcomes enhancements for emergency servies, so let the government assign spectrum for its development and use. This stuff of pushing the legal limits by using several channels (each within the bandwidth limit) but needing those several to get a message across,: thus using up the space of several users, on the amateur bands, is just plain wrong. Having said all that: know that I served as a telecommunications officer in several different federal positions for some 29 years, and would have readily accepted and used some of the recent developments in that job. But I remind you - it was a JOB. We had our own spectrum, and one of the most aggrivating things I saw, and stopped, was our operators sliding into the ham bands when they thought those small pieces of spectrum were the best place to go. I did not and will not condone other users interfering with this hobby. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Dave Sparks To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Fast/Wide Slow/Narrow Interesting analogy. I guess we'd never have invented jet airplanes, then, if no one needs to travel faster than XX MPH. If getting data disseminated in an emergency has lower priority than an RTTY contest, then so be it. -- Dave Sparks AF6AS - Original Message - From: DANNY DOUGLAS To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:39 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Fast/Wide Slow/Narrow That is exactly the question. The next person may say that 9.6 is too slow for him. We refer back to the speed limit on road, and knowing human nature. Danny Douglas
Re: [digitalradio] Fast/Wide Slow/Narrow
The model T had limits of around 15-25 mph, for a couple of reasons. It would shake you, and it, to death if you got it too fast on the roads built for wagons. They hardened the road surface, and made them wider, thus allowing future autos to go faster, and safer. Just like in Germany, and even out in the NW USA, the speeds have been dropped. It became much like the law of diminishing returns. People finally came to their senses and realized that just didnt work, to continually increase speeds, given the inability to increase their surface capacity (bandwidth?). Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 If one can convince the ITU/FCC to widen spectrum assignments, go ahead and use those new ones. I would agree, that DSB has met its usefullness lifetime, but of course, this being a hobby, some people still have equipment from way back then, and enjoy using it. I hear little of that. In fact do not think I have tuned into, nor been QRMd by an AM signal in years. They havent taken the model T off the road either. We just had several dozen of them go by here a week or so back, on the way to a big national meeting. They did stay on smaller highways, and off the interstate, for the safety of both themselves, and those using the larger/faster roads. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Dave Sparks To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Fast/Wide Slow/Narrow The problem with worrying about people interfering with this hobby, you have to narrowly define this hobby. OK, staying with your analogy, we'd have to set surface street speed limits in concrete based on how fast a Ford Model T could have been safely driven, leading to a national maximum speed limit of what? 40 MPH? Lanes probably should be subsequently narrowed, too. Restricting research and innovation to VHF/UHF bands is not the answer. It's a little hard to test the NVIS or ionospheric characteristics of a new mode on 6 meteres and up. I've yet to hear a rational reason why a DSB AM transmission should be allowed to utilize 6 Khz of bandwidth, but not a digital one. Please note that I am not suggesting that hams should use 6 Khz. wide modes on a daily basis for ragchewing. From a practical standpoint, 3 Khz. is probably a PRACTICAL limit, for the time being, if we are discussing sound card modes modulating SSB signals. But I'd also like to see spread spectrum experimentation on HF, too. Maybe some fruitful experimentation would wind up earning us MORE HF spectrum, if we could show it could be put to good use. -- Dave Sparks AF6AS - Original Message - From: DANNY DOUGLAS To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Fast/Wide Slow/Narrow Back to the anology. Auto (ground based) speed have nothing to do with aircraft speeds. Aircraft were developed off-road, and did not interfere with auto carriageways at all. To this day, new records are being made by aircraft, away from other aircraft users. Land speed records are normally made, again, away from normal roadway surfaces. When either of them are developed to a particular speed/saftey situation, then improvements are made as new planes are put in the air, or cars put on the road. They are still limited to the roads, or air spaces where everyone else is, and mandated to certain speeds/locations, just like the vehicles developed and in use that are already there. They will not, and cannot suddely go faster on the ground than the other cars on the road (and sometimes not in the air - remember the SST which was limited so that it would not break the sound barrier over US land?) If spectrum can be identified, which is not populated by other stations/services, and which will not interfere with other previously licensed , I would say go to it. Improvements are always welcome, as long as their developments do no interfere with other legal users. The devlopment of new modes
Re: [digitalradio] Why would anyone
OH Wonderful! Some idiot would come up with something 50 or 100 kc wide, and then be legal to wipe out dozens if not hundreds o QSOs. There MUST be rules, because there is always going to be someone who will push the envelope with so called advances which ignore the rights and wishes of others. Thats why we have speed limits even the Germans have finally come around to realizing you just cant let every Hans drive his own speed.By the way, 200 mph will get you there (if it doesnt kill you and everyone else on the road), but 60 will get you there too, and a lot safer. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Dave Sparks To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Why would anyone - Original Message - From: Andy obrien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Why would anyone I agree with Charles, mostly. I have mixed feelings about the whole wide versus narrow issue. While I tend to gravitate towards the narrow modes, I have to admit to sympathizing with those on this list who express frustration that they cannot experiment with some of the wider modes because they exceed baud rates and bandwidth limitations in the USA. Obviously, if I am parked on my narrow part of the spectrum having a nice chat, I would be unhappy about someone with a 10 Khz wide signal zapping the entire band. I guess I would say that keeping the max under 2.7 Khz makes some sense. Andy K3UK Hi Andy, That limitation would only make sense if you were also willing to ban DSB AM transmissions, which take up over twice that bandwidth. What we really need is a rule that says you should use the minimum bandwidth needed to get the job done, just as we do with power. -- Dave Sparks AF6AS
Re: [digitalradio] Why would anyone
I must agree, but then Im not into email via ham bands, and really think that if there is any other way, one should completely stop so called auto stations, unless that station has the capability to first insure there are no other signals on that freq, before transmitting. That should be the formost step when anticipating and planning such a station. Until that becomes possible, dont do it. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: wb5aaa To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 7:25 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Why would anyone Why do we need anything running UNATTENDED on any ham band? just my 2cents
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Puppy Mail
Ive just gotta comment on your English comment. Did you know that modern day American English is considered (by experts - in the know) that American English is more akin to Olde English, than is British English of today? We have a couple of small valleys, here in Virginia, where the old time populations speak a very-near, old time English, and experts often come here to talk to them, in their studies of the language. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: obrienaj To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:06 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Puppy Mail burn another CD Russell, perhaps you have a bad burn. If you have a good burn, you simply load the CD from a system -reboot and then Puppy will begin to load. It will set up basic drivers (mouse, keyboard, video card, etc) automatically. It will give you a choice of display resolution to use (I just opt for the default) and the language. I choose US English despite it not being real English :) As you are probably aware from your other server install, the software uses the Internet to connect to a APRS server in the Nederlands. So you would need to activate the network/internet settings on the Puppy. That is fairly easy to do. With FLdigi you will also have to set it up for your sound devices. The Puppy should detect them for you and display them in the fldigi configure soundcard area. If it does not, you would need to run the soundcard setup from the Puppy, that is fairly easy to do too. Andy K3UK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Russell Blair russell_blai...@... wrote: Andy, I cant get the Puppy to load from CD, I put the CD in the drive and reboot, the monitor just goes blank.�Did you have to do anything other than just put the CD in the drive and reboot. I download the ISO�(PSKmail-Puppy-412.iso). Well I will keep trying to get it to work.. Thanks Russell �1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: obrienaj aobri...@... To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 8:52:42 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Puppy Mail � Windows on the HD and Puppy Linux on the CD ROM Andy. --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, Russell Blair russell_blair86@ ... wrote: Andy, The PC you have Puppy on is it a windows PC, or does it have Linux on it. Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell. Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 _ _ __ From: obrienaj aobrien2@ . To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 7:03:42 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Puppy Mail Start FL-digi then click on CONSOLE then type 'pskmail_server' hit enter. Program will start. Andy --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, Russell Blair russell_blair86@ ... wrote: Andy, The PC see's the CD and it see's the Puppy files, How do you start it up, I would think from termina, but what is the conmand to sun it. Andy you on SKYPE. Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell. Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Puppy Mail
Sounds like Quebec. I had a waitress tell me once she couldnt wait to get out of there and back to main Canada, because 99 percent of them spoke English but refused to do so, even when tourists tried talking to them. Snobs. I never had that problem on GM soil, and spent quite a few short holidays up there. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Toby Burnett To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Puppy Mail You should come up here to the Outer Hebrides NW Scotland, where every second person speaks Gaelic! I know a little tiny bit but these guys will talk in their native tongue just to Pi*s you off so you don't understand what they are saying about you! Be glad that Generally English is the international Ham radio language or we'd really have a problem. ---Original Message--- From: DANNY DOUGLAS Date: 22/10/2009 12:33:46 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Puppy Mail Ive just gotta comment on your English comment. Did you know that modern day American English is considered (by experts - in the know) that American English is more akin to Olde English, than is British English of today? We have a couple of small valleys, here in Virginia, where the old time populations speak a very-near, old time English, and experts often come here to talk to them, in their studies of the language. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: obrienaj To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:06 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Puppy Mail burn another CD Russell, perhaps you have a bad burn. If you have a good burn, you simply load the CD from a system -reboot and then Puppy will begin to load. It will set up basic drivers (mouse, keyboard, video card, etc) automatically. It will give you a choice of display resolution to use (I just opt for the default) and the language. I choose US English despite it not being real English :) As you are probably aware from your other server install, the software uses the Internet to connect to a APRS server in the Nederlands. So you would need to activate the network/internet settings on the Puppy. That is fairly easy to do. With FLdigi you will also have to set it up for your sound devices. The Puppy should detect them for you and display them in the fldigi configure soundcard area. If it does not, you would need to run the soundcard setup from the Puppy, that is fairly easy to do too. Andy K3UK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Russell Blair russell_blai...@... wrote: Andy, I cant get the Puppy to load from CD, I put the CD in the drive and reboot, the monitor just goes blank.�Did you have to do anything other than just put the CD in the drive and reboot. I download the ISO�(PSKmail-Puppy-412.iso). Well I will keep trying to get it to work.. Thanks Russell �1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: obrienaj aobri...@... To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 8:52:42 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Puppy Mail � Windows on the HD and Puppy Linux on the CD ROM Andy
Re: [digitalradio] Radio for 30 Meters.?????
r ask the guy who has the most 30 meters worked? Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: mikea To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Radio for 30 Meters.? On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 02:28:22PM -, ve3hsc wrote: Who makes the BEST radio for 30 meters. That's a how long is a piece of string? question, OM. Best with respect to what qualities? Sensitivity, audio quality, filtering, DSP, tolerance of strong signals near a weak one, what? -- Mike Andrews, W5EGO mi...@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Using TS2000, D700A and Sky Command for digital modes ?
To hit the repeaters 150 miles away. ?? I havent done so from here, but from previous locales I did that. Of course, right now I have a 8 element 2 meter Quagi, but that is for DXing.( along with the 11 element 440). Very easy to homebrew and can just throw them in the back of my pick me up, and head to the hills for some topping. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Andrew O'Brien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Using TS2000, D700A and Sky Command for digital modes ? But Danny, why do that is you don't have to? On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:58 PM, DANNY DOUGLAS n...@comcast.net wrote: Goodness, how far away is the repeater? I nonomally hit repeatrs at 60-100 miles away with the hand held antenna here in the shack, in the basement. Putting a small verticle up on the roof, attached to the vent pipe usually works well. -- Andy
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Using TS2000, D700A and Sky Command for digital modes ?
Goodness, how far away is the repeater? I nonomally hit repeatrs at 60-100 miles away with the hand held antenna here in the shack, in the basement. Putting a small verticle up on the roof, attached to the vent pipe usually works well. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: John To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Using TS2000, D700A and Sky Command for digital modes ? I do understand Andy. I made a common mistake in that I ASSUMED you had an outdoor UHF antenna in place to work your vehicle with, which would have likely had coax already run. My error indeed. Best of luck getting connected to the 2 meter repeater from inside your shack. It is just a funny concept (novel/comical) to use a mobile station to act as a repeater for a more powerful base station. Again, best of luck and keep us posted on your results, 73 John - KE5HAM --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, obrienaj andrewob...@... wrote: John, I was simply trying to avoid having to run 150 ft of expensive coax to the only place I can put an outdoor dual band antenna, previously I have not had good luck with in door antennas in the shack but can hit the desired repeater from my car in the street. I may try a window ledge antenna based on an idea from Skip Teller. Andy K3UK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John ke5ham3@ wrote: Andy, although I have not tried it with my TS200/TM-D700 combo yet, my question would be, why not put a dual bander antenna on the TS2000 also in place of the monobander UHF antenna that you must have to pull this off as you have stated? Would seem that you could then have the best of both worlds in the mobile AND at the BASE ... Keep us posted on your results, should not be any reason you cannot do it as described, albeit there may be some delays that could cause some digital issues with FLdigi. Are you planning on any form of ARQ? John - KE5HAM --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, obrienaj andrewobrie@ wrote: I am planning on attempting to access a local 2M FM repeater that has started using FL-digi for a digital mode net. Since I do not have a 2M antenna at home other than the dual-band 2M/70cm mobile antenna on my car, I thought I might try the Sky Command capabilities that my rigs have. Anyone already done this and perhaps have the set-up files that can be shared ? This would involve operating from my shack with PC and Kenwood TS2000 , using a UHF simplex frequency to transmit to my vehicle in the drive-way. In the vehicle a Kenwood D700A would pick up the UHF simplex transmission and link it to the 2M side of the DM700A for access to the 2M repeater. If someone does have the files all set for this, could you let me know (or upload to the files section here) , it would save me a lot of manual searching and eye squinting. Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] Top Ten Tips For Hams New To Digital Modes ?
Learn to tune and copy before you make your first QSO. Figure out how your radio/computer/interface work by reading the instructions first, then practice. Keep your output power down low- you dont need 100 or even 50 watts for PSK. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: obrienaj To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Top Ten Tips For Hams New To Digital Modes ? So, what would your top 3 TIPS be for someone new to digital modes be ? Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] Re: An open letter: W1AW and 80m psk31 interference
An over the air copy is much better practice. After all, you get the qrm/qrn/etc. in there, which is real stuff, and prepares people for radio copy, versus the perfect signal from a computer. Even better than the perfectly keyed copy from W1AW would be simply listening to some ops send - with hand keys. I use a straight hand key to teach code, then when the students hear perfect machine sent, their should be no problem in copying that. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Bill V WA7NWP To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: An open letter: W1AW and 80m psk31 interference Why is the code practice sessons even needed now ? In 1955 very few probably had tape recorders or an easy method to get perfect code practice. Now you can get a computer for almost nothing Ah but radio is what this is all about. There's just something special about doing it over it the air.. If there wasn't, why would we be doing any of this as it's all so quick and easy simply with computers and the net... 73 Bill - WA7NWP
Re: [digitalradio] Re: An open letter: W1AW and 80m psk31 interference(A dissent)
Far as I can tell, they have NEVER done that. That is a sore point to start with, but can you imagine a time when there is never a psk signal on that band (and the band is open?) I cant! The stupid part of it all is that the whole band is available for CW, so why cant they find someplace where there are no signals, and not near a narrow band signal? Another suggestion is on top of some ssb net that is just a bunch sitting around telling others to get off their freq especially when someone else was there first) There are lots of those useless nets. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Andrew O'Brien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: An open letter: W1AW and 80m psk31 interference(A dissent) but why can't W1AW listen first and NOT xmit if busy? On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Bill V WA7NWP wa7...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but what is it that makes 3580 a sacred gathering place for PSK? Why isn't it 070 like it is on some other bands? Why can't we just QSY to get away from W1AW? Many home brew low power rigs, psk included, use the standard and very cheap 3.579 TV color burst crystal. 73 Bill -- Andy
Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 N7DC
Where is there Tony? HI. And I have, on average, 3 sites gathering spots here, and using SpotCollector which has almost every mode known to man, listed, so its not like they just disappear on this end. Looks like the special digital modes simply are not being passed thru the network. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Tony To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 N7DC Danny, What I dont understand, with all the reported contacts here on this group, why I am not seeing ANY of them on the spot network? I would gladly give some of them a listen, if they showed up Danny Douglas N7DC That's a good question... I've noticed 'exotic mode' cluster spots on occasion and I've sent some over the years with Mixw's DX Cluster feature. The response is usually less than stellar. I use this reflector on occasion to spot QRV notes (with Andy's permission) for the purpose of testing less familiar modes like ALE-400. The audience is much smaller than the clusters, but it's members are of course, geared toward digital. Andy's sked page is perfect for digital mode skeds / QRV posts, but it sees little use. I can't figure out why that is with the number of members we have. http://www.obriensweb.com/sked I'm there now at 2250z if you'd like to sked. I'll be on for a few hours. Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 N7DC
That me be true, but I have seen several stateside MFSK and many PSK spots on the clusters. The next thought is a digital cluster which could be used with spot collector? Those that then wanted any digital modes/states or otherwise, could load that one up and see the spots, and they would not particular leak out to other clusters. I simply do not have room on the screen for even more windows. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Andrew O'Brien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 N7DC Danny, I think they are not being posted/spotted. I have always assumed, perhaps wrongly, that serious DXers and cluster owners frown on something like K3UK spotting N7DC because you are not really DX. Thus even though you might be using an interesting digital mode , I would not spot you on a real DX cluster. If you were ET2US I would spot you, not N7DC. If we all started spotting routine callsigns and their digital modes on a regular cluster, Spotcollector would indeed be the best tool. Andy On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:16 PM, DANNY DOUGLASn...@comcast.net wrote: Where is there Tony? HI. And I have, on average, 3 sites gathering spots here, and using SpotCollector which has almost every mode known to man, listed, so its not like they just disappear on this end. Looks like the special digital modes simply are not being passed thru the network. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Tony To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 N7DC Danny, What I dont understand, with all the reported contacts here on this group, why I am not seeing ANY of them on the spot network? I would gladly give some of them a listen, if they showed up Danny Douglas N7DC That's a good question... I've noticed 'exotic mode' cluster spots on occasion and I've sent some over the years with Mixw's DX Cluster feature. The response is usually less than stellar. I use this reflector on occasion to spot QRV notes (with Andy's permission) for the purpose of testing less familiar modes like ALE-400. The audience is much smaller than the clusters, but it's members are of course, geared toward digital. Andy's sked page is perfect for digital mode skeds / QRV posts, but it sees little use. I can't figure out why that is with the number of members we have. http://www.obriensweb.com/sked I'm there now at 2250z if you'd like to sked. I'll be on for a few hours. Tony -K2MO -- Andy
Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 N7DC
Exactly what we need. Either would do well with Spotcollector, but I dont know about those who use other spotting sofware at their own station (such as MIXW, etc.) I am just now getting into using MultiPSK and it works in conjunction with the DXLab stuff, so a lot of potential customers there, as well as those who use WnWarbler. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Andrew O'Brien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 N7DC I ran such a cluster for a few years , before I opened the sked page. I was running WinCluster. I do have the bandwidth to run a cluster again but want to avoid the cost of some of the better cluster software. It would need to be a digital cluster that does not propagate spots to other clusters. Either that or have something like Hamspots' present cluster/pskreporter page configurable via Telnet to Spotcollector. That way, digital mode enthusiasts could take full advantage of Spotcollector's filters and collect from Hamspots PLUS the general DX Cluster world Andy K3UK On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:30 PM, DANNY DOUGLASn...@comcast.net wrote: That me be true, but I have seen several stateside MFSK and many PSK spots on the clusters. The next thought is a digital cluster which could be used with spot collector? Those that then wanted any digital modes/states or otherwise, could load that one up and see the spots, and they would not particular leak out to other clusters. I simply do not have room on the screen for even more windows. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Andrew O'Brien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 N7DC Danny, I think they are not being posted/spotted. I have always assumed, perhaps wrongly, that serious DXers and cluster owners frown on something like K3UK spotting N7DC because you are not really DX. Thus even though you might be using an interesting digital mode , I would not spot you on a real DX cluster. If you were ET2US I would spot you, not N7DC. If we all started spotting routine callsigns and their digital modes on a regular cluster, Spotcollector would indeed be the best tool. Andy On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:16 PM, DANNY DOUGLASn...@comcast.net wrote: Where is there Tony? HI. And I have, on average, 3 sites gathering spots here, and using SpotCollector which has almost every mode known to man, listed, so its not like they just disappear on this end. Looks like the special digital modes simply are not being passed thru the network. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: Tony To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 N7DC Danny, What I dont understand, with all the reported contacts here on this group, why I am not seeing ANY of them on the spot network? I would gladly give some of them a listen, if they showed up Danny Douglas N7DC That's a good question... I've noticed 'exotic mode' cluster spots on occasion and I've sent
[digitalradio] BPSK63
Ive done some keyboard to keyboard BPSK63, and its much like BPSK31, except a whole lot faster. HI. Not much difference, that way, unless each of you are using MACROS, and the info comes across so much faster. I personally try to type most of my QSOs to design them toward the guy I am working. Most really arent interested in my 100 watts, 3 el yagi at 30 ft. blah blah blah. Even the home brew computer doesnt elicit much comment these days. Its odd to try to converse with some DX stations, and watch their MACROS come across, the same to every contact they make. I would rather they try English, while I try my Greek , Italian, orSpanish on them (if that is what they speak). Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: mikenetbot To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 6:55 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: PSK-PACKET anyone? - Description Has anyone tried keyboard-to-keyboard connected BPSK63? (I assume that it is connected and not UI, as we are talking about the FRACK option). Also, am I correct that PAX/PAX2 will run in connected mode? For some reason I thought they were UI-only, but now I cannot tell. I'm interested in these soundcard ARQ modes. --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Lindecker f6...@... wrote: Hello Ian, Here is some information about PSK Packet. Important: in BPSK63 Packet, set the FRACK option at, at least, 8 seconds (the standard 5 sec is not sufficient). 73 Patrick Coding/Decoding of Packet BPSK1200 and new modes Packet BPSK250 and BPSK63 The BPSK1200 Packet mode is used for satellite (as LUSAT LO-19 for example) transmissions in UHF (USB). But it could also be used in VHF (FM ) with a better performance than Packet FSK, in Unproto (APRS) or in connected mode. The BPSK250 and BPSK63 Packet modes are experimental and could be used favourably for APRS transmissions in HF. Description of the PSK Packet 1200: The PSK Packet at 1200 bauds shares the same characteristics as the FSK Packet at 1200 bauds, except some ones: * the modulation is a DBPSK one (differential binary phase shift keying), as, for example, in PSK31. DBPSK is better that FSK, * bandwidth : about 2000 Hz * Pmean/Ppeak: 0.79 * the lowest S/N is about +6 dB, * very high capacity (up to 40 Hz/sec) to follow a satellite drift (using the Cat system of the transceiver). This mode is used for satellite (as LUSAT LO-19 for example) transmissions in UHF (USB). But it could also be used in VHF (FM ) with a better performance than Packet FSK, in Unproto (APRS) or in connected mode. Description of the PSK Packet 63 and 250 bauds: The modulation is the same as BPSK1200 with a different speed. The BPSK Packet at 250 bauds has a bandwidth of about 500 Hz and a lowest S/N of about -2 dB whereas the BPSK Packet at 63 bauds (62.5 in fact) has a bandwidth of about 160 Hz and a lowest S/N of about -8 dB. - Original Message - From: Ian Wade G3NRW g3...@... To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:38 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSK-PACKET anyone? From: kt4w...@... Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 Time: 20:57:35 Anyone up for some PSK-PACKET?? 63b on 10.141.5 1650hz 21:00 Easttime Trip - KT4WO Trip, What is PSK-PACKET 63b? -- 73 Ian, G3NRW Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] ALE400
What I dont understand, with all the reported contacts here on this group, why I am not seeing ANY of them on the spot network? I would gladly give some of them a listen, if they showed up there, but they are not. I have only recently downloaded Multipsk, though am very experienced with some of the modes, thru working with other single and multi mode programs such as MIXW, and have used PSK31-63, Packet, SSTV, HELL,THROB, MFSK, DOMINO, RTTY. I have three different spot sources playing thru SpotCollector, and seldom, if ever, see anything beyond PSK or RTTY, out of all the digital modes. So guys - if you are on, or copying someone, please use spots to so indicate. By the way, I sometimes see the group emials, but usually way too late to do anything about them. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: kt4w...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 ***If I'm not mistaken, you referred to the sync issue as a major problem that happens 40-to-50 times during a QSO with S-9 plus signals both ways*** 40 to 50 times during a QSO!!..WOW... Damn..I think If it occured that many times during 1 QSO..I would give up.. Dont ya think Look guys...Its MUST me something I'm doing wrong or my equipment..I mean...I have only been using this mode from the time it came out... and on no less than 3 or 4 diff. radios, bands and puters.. With no less than 10-15 other users. I have ONLY been on HF digi for JUST a few days ...Got my ticket from that Cracker Jack Box Its me, its not really happining.. I mean.. the hundreds of other users surely would have found this problemRight?? Just let it go...I have. End of thread. 73 de Trip - KT4WO - Original Message - From: Tony To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 Trip, Its not a unique problem. KT4WO Well it does seem to be unique problem because we haven't heard from anyone else with major sync issues (yet). Your comments will hopefully, bring them out of the woodwork. In my experience and in the experience of others, ALE-400 sync issues happen occasionally and are almost always associated with weak signals. As the band fades, the mode dips below it's useful threshold and loses sync. At that point, it's time to quit or switch bands. Trying to continue after that results in a high number of collisions / sync issues because signals are just too weak. If I'm not mistaken, you referred to the sync issue as a major problem that happens 40-to-50 times during a QSO with S-9 plus signals both ways. That certainly seems like a unique situation, but without knowing the circumstances at the time, it's hard to tell what's really going on. We would certainly appreciate a more detailed description of the band conditions when the mode lost sync that excessive number of times. For example; was there heavy QSB, QRM, QRN? Does it ever happen on a clear channel? Does it happen on one band more than others? Does it happen on one PC more than another. You're welcome to sked with me anytime Trip. I'm always on in the evenings starting around 2300z. I run a 5 element 20 meter mono-band Yagi @ 60ft. I'm sure we could work providing the propagation Gods cooperate. Thanks, Tony -K2MO Its not a unique problem. KT4WO On 8/31/09, Tony d...@optonline.net wrote: Trip, Sounds like you have a unique problem with ALE-400. Hope you find out what it is and please let us know when you do. Sorry we couldn't help you. Tony -K2MO - Original Message - From: Thomas Carswell Jr. kt4w...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE400 w4pgh k3gau n4wi wa9hcz ni9y n9fdf k9vu wb8rol ai4cm Thats just the ones in my log on laptop(im at work) Most of those I have worked at least 3-5 times, somealot more(k3gau,w4pgh) No less than 8 diff. soundcards..from onboard to one I spent almost 100 bucks on...lol AgainI love MultiPSK...I almost never run any other digi-ware...well...FLDigi when I run Puppy. MultiPSK is the ONLY digi software I have paid for...and that says alot for me... Im cheap!!...LOL If it just had
Re: [digitalradio] usb to serial
My understanding is that some do work quite well, and other do not work at all. It is difficult to say which are going to do well, and which will not. I understand that Rigblaster sells some they guarantee will work, so that might be the first place to start. They told me they have a patch cord that will simply work with my Rigblaster plus, right to a USB port of the computer, even though its original cord is a simple dp9 cord. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk dxandt...@yahoogroups.com Moderator Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: n0alo To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: [digitalradio] usb to serial I know this was talked about some time back but no longer have the information. Do all the usb to serial adapters work with the older rigblaster or do some give problems? Thanks Lynn
[digitalradio] Re: another non- contest on a no contest band
I wasnt speaking direct at the activity day concept. It just happened that I was reading along in the daily digest, and happened to select the (reply to all) at the end of your message, in which to put in my three cents worth, about contesting in general, on the 30 meter band. I guess I gotta be more careful about that. This is only one of two groups where I dont get individual emails as they are sent, but get the daily digest (which had 25 messages this time around). In fact, I agree that a digital activity would be a very good way to introduce more ops to not only the band, but to entice them to try different digital modes. I just dont want to see it, or 12 or 17 become 'contest bound, making them unuseable for any other type operations during long periods of time. As I almost said, these bands are an escape for operators who do not want to put up with the contest QRM, going on on the other HF bands. The one thing I would recommend is that any such activity day be set to insure its NOT on the same dates that major events are happening on the other HF bands, so the band is available for those operators wanting a get away. I just took a look and see I have several dozen PSK contacts and a couple of hundred RTTY contacts on the 30 meter band, so there is indeed some of us there. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do.
[digitalradio] Re: 30m Usage....
Frankly, I expected the government to give us back the channel 1 TV frequency, that they took away from us to make television to start with. NOT Wouldnt it be wonderful had someone, anyone, reminded them of that. Maybe the ARRL? Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do.
[digitalradio] Re: 30 meters dead
I am always amazed at the people who say I never call CQ My first question is alwayWHY?. It takes two to tango! Time and again, I have listened to 10 meters and heard absolutely nothing. A couple of CQs often brings a few out of the woodwork. One of my MACROS on WinWarbler is an automatic CQ, and it does get used- a lot lduring these doldrums. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do.
[digitalradio] Re: another non- contest on a no contest band
In the beginning, it was correct that there was really no DX chasing (at least for awards) but now that is not so. In fact I have at least one country worked, where I have only one contact, an that was on 30 meters. DXCC started accepting those contacts some time ago, so yes it is indeed a DX band. 30 is a great band which has long openings, to some parts of the world, most all of the day or night. Lets not screw it up, and make it unuseable for those who have not been bit by the contest bug. Because of the very limited bandwidth of 30, 17, and 12 meter bands, right from the start, it was deemed they were off limits for contests. If one thinks there are complaints now, about contest weekends, just wait until one or all of these three bands are added to the mix. There simply is not enough room on them to drag in hundreds or thousands of other contest signals, and continue to use them for other uses as well. Right now, one of the so called excuses that are being used about interference on contest weekends is that one can always go to these bands and operate to get away from contesters. Put them into contest modes, and that all goes away. One of the other things that you must remember is that 30 meters is a shared band, and we MUST not intefere with those other operations with which we share this limited space. W all know that many contesters would completely ignore that fact, in the heat of battle. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do.
[digitalradio] Re: New release (4.7) of MULTIPSK
I would certainly agree to that. I am not a new user of digital or logging software, having used several over the past decade, but every time I attempt to go to Multipsk, I am put off by just too much on the screen at one time. A tabbing system would certainly be one better way. I particularly like the way the the DXLab suite handles the different programs and you can pick and choose exactly what you do want on the screen. Its only drawback is it just doesnt have the capbility of running all the modes that MultiPsk or evn MixW has. When I wish to use a differnt mode, like those, I use MixW in conjunciton with DXLabs DXKeeper logging program. You can also use MultiPsk with DXKeeper (they say) but I simply dont have the time and do not want to put in the effort to use MultiPsk with its very confusing screen. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do.
[digitalradio] Re: I, am a Pactor Robot............
Yes, that can happen to transmitters in general, on any mode. But, as long as an operator is sitting there doing the control of the transmission, he is capable of immediately knowing what is happening. For instance: I come up on a freq, in SSB, and listen. Hearing nothing, I ask twice if the frequnecy is busy. Either someone responds, or they dont. If they do, I go elsewhere, find another freq and ask again. If no one responds, then I can reasonably be insured I am not going to interfere by calling CQ or call my scheduled partner.The Pactor, or any other automated station, without a control operator is not able to do that. It cant come up and ask if the freq is clear or not. I am also reasonably sure that most Pactor (read - automatic stations - because there are certainly other such modes) operators who want keyboard to keyboard QSOs, DO listen. I am not sure that they ever first go to SSB and ask if the frequency is clear or not. Asking in the Pactor mode, would probably not get much response from SSB or other mode operators who would immediately think that you had just come up automatically to operator. They wouldnt know the difference, not being able to copy it. Here, we might take a look at SSTV operators, who generally do just that. We come up on SSB, ask if the freq is clear, wait a few moments, ask again, and hearing nothing, will either call a CQ on SSB stating we are looking for an SSTV contact, or we might just, at that time, immeidately transmit a CQ via SSTV. Either way, we should first insure (via SSB) that no one is using the freq. (The old hidden transmitter syndrome). Your second paragraph would be covered if the software is correctly written and used. It would have manual bypass which would allow you, as a control operator sitting in place, to bypass the busy guard in order to transmit and check for an ongoing QSO. I think this is how the original busy guard was written, and as explained to me. Third paragraph: same as second, with the bypass capability. I understand your thinking, or at least think I do. HI But, I believe what it comes down to, is without adopting the busy guard, the powers that be in the auto digitial world are going to find more and more resistance from the rest of us, and eventually the FCC is going to have to step in and make a decision. I dont think that the digital world wants that. They certainly dont need that, and can prevent it by quickly adopting the busy guard capability. I also think they are pushing to avoid the busy guard, by ignoring it at this point, hoping it will go away. After all, who wants to be told Yes- the frequency is busy. I personally think there is a place for automatic transmission on guard sites. I would envision such to exist on every ham band, where I or any other operator could go, immediately connect up, and report an emergency situation. That way, whether sailing or driving an RV, or sitting at home with the phones out, I could get someones immediate attention for sickness, accidents, etc. But those should not spread over large sections of any band, or be in the middle of an ongoing conversation. Easily avoided, by strict adherence of, not a band-plan, but a specific assigned frequency, and to be used ONLY for emergencies. Other than that, such transmission modes should be used, as are any others, with a control operator and for keyboard to keyboard operaton. I really dont see where we have either the spectrum or the necessity to turn ham radio into a common carrier operation. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do.
[digitalradio] Re: I, am a Pactor Robot............
Jack, I think I answered most of that just now, to another station. As long as you are setting there, and have checked that the freq is clear, fire away. If then you get someone coming in and connecting, you have already checked the frequency, so go ahead with your contact. But, if he hears you, transmits and then finds HE is causing interference, he should immediatly advise you, and quit tranmitting at his end. Just like SSB, I ask if its clear, and no one comes back, I transmit a CQ. Sonmeone answers, but he immediately is told the freq is busy. He quickly comes back and tell you and the two of you then slip to another freq, where both ask if its clear, and if so, have your contact. Bye the way, if both of you had busy signal capability, his would have immediately told him he couldnt transmit-- but I would hope he would have heard it on the earphones before that, or seen it on a waterfall, or something. Surely all stations do check the freq before transmitting, keyboard to keyboard? He could then simply bypass the busy signal detect, and quickly advise you to QSY to for a QSO. No not asking for perfection, just an attempt to get as close as possible. I know - easier said than done - but that takes place hundreds of times a day on CW or SSB, and is doable. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do.
[digitalradio] Re: Continuing evolution of HF Ham radio communications:
Thank you and very well said. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do.
[digitalradio] Re: Digitalradio Group
H- OK When you do that, please discontinue me as a member of the group. The main reason I have remained a member is the free wheeling discussion of the subject of digitial radio. Is it not amazing that the major number of members who oppose the subject are outside the USA? I thought the major portions of the world had gone to freedoms that we here in the USA have started taking for granted - and one of the most important is the freedom of speach. That does not seem to be taking, especially in Europe. It apears to me that if you cant win, silence the opposition, much like the Korean parlament, which we view on the TV from time to time. More fighting there, than was on the DMV, and simply because one doesnt like what the other said. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do.
[digitalradio] Re: Digitalradio Group
And who will go to that group? Probably only the ones being bothered with the interference! Those who are happy with WinLink, and its continuance will NOT. Why should they? If one gets what he wants, he isnt likely to go to an anti-subject group to get his daily dose of venem. The subject IS the major discussion here, and this IS about digital radio. Without the discussion, it would not be a free discussion of what digital radio is doing today, or should be doing. Frankly, those who have no interest in the subject, must not really be into digital radio, because it DOES impact each and every one of us. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do.
[digitalradio] Re: I, am a Pactor Robot............
Jack. We on the other side see THAT as exactly the problem. Your mailbox sits there silent. Somone else gets on the freq and calls it. It comes up - and causes interference to someone else that is already using the freq (which you would have heard if you were physically sitting there operating). The origninal caller to you, because of propagation, did not hear the other ongoing QSO- but YOU would have. Therefore it is your transmitter that caused the interference. All quite easily taken care of if our software had a busy signal capability, and simply didnt respond to the other guy, while other signals were up and on the air. That software has been written, and from my understanding would be made available to the Pactor software people, if they would just accept it. If its been done, other software writers can do the same. Your mailbox needs to be controlled by YOU, not the other end, as long as there is no busy signal detection. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do.
[digitalradio] Re:EU 30 Meter Digital Weekend Event 19/20 Jan 2008
This is one of the problems with the so-called band-plans. Europe has one, NA has another, etc. Until such time as there is an Iternational Band Plan, they are all rather useless, and sets us up to interfere with each other. It sort of reminds me of what JA1RL told me back in the 70 at a region 3 meeting in Hong Kong. But our non-licensed stations only use 5 watts - they couldnt be interfering with anyone else Yeah Sure. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Here's a silly thought
Give it up Erik. Money talks, and talks louder than anyone else. Some PSK operators are no different that the guys on 80 meters, talking across town, using linears so they can drown out everyone else on the band. They dont need it, know they dont, but do it so they CAN be the loudest on the bands. I have heard them time and again, when someone else trys to come in and say something. Suddenly there is silence, they they go to talking about the other guy not having a linear since they cant hear him 40 over s9, like they can each other. Or better yet, the jerk in Florida who comes on top of a conversation, calling for someone in California (who he hasnt talked to in the past 4 hours) and cant quite hear someone calling him so goes back to calling his buddy. He then states this is W4X in podunk city Fl. calling W6XXX on 'OUR ASSIGNED AMATEUR RADIO FREQUENCY, blah blah blah. There are pigs/ Hogs/ Jerks everywhere. It doesnt matter that he is running 400 watts on the PSK band. He is allowed to do it by the rules, and hang the power necessary for communications. He is going to do it his way, and ignore every one else. Then of course you have the other guy who hears this, brings his kw up on the freq, and blows away not only the offending station, but everyone else - to make his point. And to those who say THEY need that 100 or 200 or 300 watts to make the contact, because of all the other interference --- you wouldnt need it, if the others were running 20 watts too. Its a never ending circle of outshooting the other guy. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: list email filter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Here's a silly thought Like I said, it was a silly thought. You two gentlemen are obviously right, and I and the other 8 stations I'm printing on my waterfall before you guys key up must be clueless.
Re: [digitalradio] Here's a silly thought.
Absolutely spot on Erick. That is one reason that we try to tell new people, on the digital bands, to start with as few watts as they can. There is just no reason to run 100 watts ( and I expect some run more) on the PSK, etc. digital modes. Everytime I say that though, someone jumps in the middle and says that a well adjusted signal, blah blah blah, wont cause problems. Ive been told to get a receiver: get a rig: get a filter, etc. I have all three thank you - but that doesnt mean that the person transmitting such signals is not responisble to the amateur code and should not run the minimum power needed to make contacts. One can almost always tell who is exceeding necessary power, just from the view on the waterfalls. When one signal out of 20 appears 4 time brighter, and has traces above and below their main signal for half the width of the waterfall, they are exceeding power badly. Especially with PSK, many of us use broadband copy software, so we can see and copy every signal on the band at the same time. With one of those signals, I see the same station readout on a dozen or more channels of that window. Often, they just wipe out everyone else. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: list email filter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:37 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Here's a silly thought. Now, everyone remember their (and my) blood pressure... just a minute while I get the asbestos armor adjusted... Rant What would the bands be like if say... digital contest points were ahhh divided by power output, and people started working on operating skills? Or does the concept of using the minimal power necessary for reliable communications really fly in the face of the plug-n-play point-n-click crowd? /Rant I know it's not a new idea, just getting tired of seeing my whole waterfall blank out to a single station. Honestly, there are stations out there that are worse than my microwave oven. Oh well, at least I know how well my IF Shift works, and I've finally found a use for my narrow filter on the digital modes. Well, I feel much better now. ;) -- 73, Erik N7HMS IRLP Node 3804 445.975 Simp PL103.5 Emails sent directly to this address instead of going through a yahoo group are automatically processed as junk mail, so I never see them. If you want to email me directly, try 'mycall' at 12bars dot com, thanks. Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/drsked/drsked.php Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 5/29/2007 1:01 PM
Re: [digitalradio] JT65A HF query/observations
The excitement of using the JT65 program on HF is NOT for those signals you can clearly hear and probably operate with another mode, but for those times that the propagation shows not to be there, you dont hear anything but possibly a slight raise in static on a band, etc. Then you can put this mode up, leave it alone, and see what pops out. Its for playing not really trying to communicate. FYI if anyone in P5 wants to work it, plse do so. Whether we can hear you or not, we will be there. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] JT65A HF query/observations I too have been perplexed why these modes that were developed for weak signals on VHF and above and only have the most meager rudimentary exchange, would have any value on HF, relative to already existing weak signal modes. Perhaps because it seemed new, some focused on trying it out? What I still would like to see is a sound card ARQ modes that is scaleable in speed and also can work with weak signals, QSB, etc. 73, Rick, KV9U Brian A wrote: I've been playing around with this on 20M. The new version which does the decoding starting at 48 seconds is a big help. Of the the 25 contacts I've made all were clearly audible. All could have been worked on CW with no difficulty. They could have been worked on PSK or other such modes too--much more quickly. Most came from answers to my CQ's. Is this the experience of others? So what is the benefit on HF? I clearly don't see this as being the future of HF ham radio. It isn't the killer ap. (I'm sure the MS, moonbounce and VHF capabilities are great and that was the original design objective) I'm a bit perplexed that stations which are S6 and above show up at -6db or so on the display. I know what it is editing. It is a pretty useless number to most users. What I want to know is: how far below the current noise floor is the signal that I'm now working. It would seem that such a below the noise number could be determined and editied. Isn't this what all users (HF and V/UHF) want to know? 73 de Brian/K3KO Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/drsked/drsked.php Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 5/29/2007 1:01 PM
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Here's a silly thought.
Sounds like time to advise the FCC of inteference from a poor signal. Yes - it IS their job. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: Leigh L Klotz, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Here's a silly thought. Last year there was an OM about 6 miles from me who regularly ran 250W on PSK. In QSO after QSO, he was told he had RF feedback in his signal, he he pointedly ignored it all, saying he had a clean signal and wasn't overdriving, and it was all just poor receiver front ends. It wasn't...the RF was a big problem, and his signal covered over 1KHz. 73, Leigh/WA5ZNU On Wed, 30 May 2007 4:51 pm, Brian A wrote: There is no need to run 1000 watts is just plain wrong. It depends upon what your're trying to do. If you're trying to make a QSO with a station half a world away under tough propogation conditions, it may indeed be necessary. 1000 watts may be the minimum power required to make the contact. PSK and other digital contacts are good for DXCC digital credit. For example, some people did indeed work one of the VU4 dxpedition stations half a world away using PSK. It did take them a lot of power. It was legit to do so. Contests are also legit. Ragchewing isn't the only activity digital modes can be used for. I agree if you're intent on only working easy paths than 20-50 watts is mostly OK. That's not what everybody wants to do. The only reg requirements are min power necessary a clean transmitted signal and no intentional interference. Also there is no relationship between transmitted power and distortion. A KW can be clean and 2 watts can be dirty. You can't tell from a waterfall that somebody is running too much power for a given path. A clean 2 watts from across the street can look pretty dirty if your RX can't handle the signal without RX overload. The expectation that one is going to sit there day in and day out with a wide RX filter and not be bothered by other stations is unrealistic. This is a shared frequency hobby. Putting the blame on the other guy and trying to reform him isn't the answer. The answer is to make YOUR station as bullet proof to intefering signals as possible. That means narrow filters will often be necessary. It means knowing how to use passband tuning, notches, AGC, RF gain control and whatever other technology you can throw at it. QRM is part of the hobby. Digital modes are not immune or exempt. Quit crying and accept reality. de K3KO --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Lew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been running PSK for severial years, I run around 20 - 25 watts, with the ALC just starting to move My IMD report is around -32. and the fan runs very little I have tried running 50 Watts and after a few min. the fan is running at full speed and the radio is hot. CW or voice are 50% duty cycle (not always xmitting at power set point) PSK and other digital modes on the other hand always has a tone being xmitted. ie 100% duty cycle. I have talked to stations with sidebands and they were running around 100Watts had them cut the power to 20 - 30 watts, the side bands were gone, their IMD got much better and I could still copy them with no problems. I run a TS-2000 to a dipole and as a rule if I can hear them I can contact them. so much for high power with PSK or other digital modes just my 2 cents Lew N4HRA - Original Message - From: Roger J. Buffington [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:56 Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Here's a silly thought. Danny Douglas wrote: Absolutely spot on Erick. That is one reason that we try to tell new people, on the digital bands, to start with as few watts as they can. There is just no reason to run 100 watts ( and I expect some run more) on the PSK, etc. digital modes. Everytime I say that though, someone jumps in the middle and says that a well adjusted signal, blah blah blah, wont cause problems. Ive been told to get a receiver: get a rig: get a filter, etc. I have all three thank you - but that doesnt mean that the person transmitting such signals is not responisble to the amateur code and should not run the minimum power needed to make contacts. One can almost always tell who is exceeding necessary power, just from the view on the waterfalls. When one signal out of 20 appears 4 time brighter, and has traces above and below
Re: [digitalradio] Offsets for digital modes
What is all comes down to is the fact that if EVERY op spots the freq, as seen on the waterfall, then there would be no question about where the station spotted actually is. Every software package that I have used for digital ops has worked the same way. If you spot 14.0713567 or whatever, and I click on it, that signal will pop up at 14.713567, directly where the software reads it, and I dont have to wander around, wondering which of a dozen or more signals on the waterfall is actually the correct one. We all underrstand that there is still a possibility of a slight error and the signal may be a few cycles off (10-20, etc,) but still close enough you wont mistake another signal for the spotted one, and if you use agc it will instantly zero beat the correct one.If you spot the station at 14.070, that is where my waterfall winds up, and the station is NOT there, nor anywhere close. Your offset doesnt matter to me, nor mine to you. Spotting the station at 14.070 plus 1000 at least advises other ops where the station actually is, but doesnt permit others the one click and on freq capability built in to software packages. My present sound card does have the sweet spot (offset) at 1 KC, but its only one of the last 4 sound cards that did so. Others have been 600 cy, 1200 cy and 865 cy. Anyone spotting a freq at 14.070 will thus lead different ops, using different computer sound cards, off by whatever THEIR offset is. I know that some folk do not have CAT software at the time, but I believe every new rig has the capability, and you need only one patch cord to run from the computer to the rig to activate that, and the majority will have, if not already, CAT control of their rigs. Things are quickly changing and we need to bend a little to go with the flow. Boy - it sure makes things quicker too. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Offsets for digital modes Paul, When you are on CW, many rigs will have an offset. I have an Argonaut V, and, as you noted, you can set the offset tone for your preference. That way you are zero beat with the other station and yet you can adjust your sidetone to what works best for you. With RTTY, the frequency specified was typically the mark with rigs using FSK. That is why there was some confusion from some hams who may be operating AFSK since their dial frequency on AFSK is going to be quite different than the dial readout on FSK. This is mostly dependent on how your rig is designed. For example, on my ICOM 756 Pro 2, if I zero beat on AFSK using SSB and then switch to FSK, it will place the tones with the mark tone of 2125 Hz. If I try to zero beat in RTTY mode, I would be over 2 KHz off. If I try to zero beat in CW I would of course be off by whatever offset I programmed into the rig, which in my case is going to be around 600 Hz. If you are using a sound card mode, you will be injecting tones into an SSB transmitter. The dial frequency is actually reading out your carrier frequency, but of course with SSB, for all practical purposes, there is no carrier being transmitted. The dial frequency is only a place holder, it is NOT the actual frequency you are transmitting. The actual frequency you are transmitting depends upon the frequency of the tone you are injecting into the transmitter and whether you are using USB or LSB. When you are operating SSB, whether on your Drake or your Ten Tec rigs, and you place your carrier at a given frequency (dial frequency) and inject the same tones, you can expect to be transmitting at the same frequency with either rig. If you set either rig at 14.070, and someone else sets their rig at 14.070, and you both use the same audio frequency tones, you would each be on the same frequency. The only problem that comes up is that someone will claim they are on 14.070 and inject a 2000 Hz tone into their transmitter and of course they are really on 14.072 and may be difficult to locate if the receiving station expects them to be on 14.070. By specifying the offset, such as 14.070 + 1000 Hz, you can expect that they will be 1000 Hz higher than 14.070 and if using a waterfall display can pinpoint them quite accurately. Some of the new modes are quite wide and are expecting that the tones are going to be within a given standard bandwidth of frequencies since they take up much of what we normally considered to be a voice bandwidth (e.g., 141A FAE, MT-63, SSTV). In such cases, when someone says they will be on a given frequency with these modes you can expect that both of you
Re: [digitalradio] Offsets for digital modes
I guess it comes down to the majority of us not working Hell, or M63. There may be a lot that do, but I hardly if ever see a spot on those modes. As to RTTY, I have 227 countries, and also 135 on PSK. The majority of spots on RTTY are almost spot on, and I am guessing that what I see on the spot page are actually taking into consideration the offset, where the Mark freq shows. For instance right now, the only RTTY I see for awhile on the spot page is 14,0864 for EC1AAC. When I click on that one, the trace marker on the waterfall shows up at 14.0864 and the rig shows 14.08522 on the tune window. I seldom have to move the tracer more than 100 cy, and that really isnt necessary , in order to copy the signal. Also, if the AFC is activated on the software, it hops right on top of the incoming signal. If you dont have a waterfall, it would be impossible to spot the waterfall freq, now would it no?. HI. One of these days, you will probably have CAT control. It took me about 34 years before I did. Its been an excellent addition to my operation, but prior rigs simply didnt have the capability. I started doing that at the same time I started using a computer to send/receive RTTY - and only after my TS430s took a dive from a lightning strike. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: John Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Offsets for digital modes At 09:45 AM 5/28/2007, you wrote: What is all comes down to is the fact that if EVERY op spots the freq, as seen on the waterfall, then there would be no question about where the station spotted actually is. This may be very true Danny but I can only spot dial or a mark frequency on 3 of the 5 digitals modes that I operate. RTTY, Amtor and Pactor has no waterfall or sound card or CAT software. Hell and MT-63 has a waterfall but I always use the big knob to tune in a station so the software is still at the default offset. Besides not having any CAT control for the rig. Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/drsked/drsked.php Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.1/822 - Release Date: 5/28/2007 11:40 AM
Re: [digitalradio] Offsets for digital modes
That what I say John. You cant follow my recommendation, because you dont use a waterfall. I havent used straight rtty in so long, and never really used it on the ham bands so dont know how you would do that. Unless there is a way you can easily put on a spot note, saying it IS a rig readout, and I dont know how accurate that would be for those of us with computers. We would just live with it - as we are already doing. Its better for notify us that P5 is up, even though we might have to search for it. HI. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: John Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Offsets for digital modes That's fine Danny but I'll say it once again just for you - I have no waterfall when I operate RTTY or software or computer or can click on anything. But I can do the math from the dial frequence to spot a mark dial frequency if that would make you happy. Maybe you can click on that. At 06:29 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote: I guess it comes down to the majority of us not working Hell, or M63. There may be a lot that do, but I hardly if ever see a spot on those modes. As to RTTY, I have 227 countries, and also 135 on PSK. The majority of spots on RTTY are almost spot on, and I am guessing that what I see on the spot page are actually taking into consideration the offset, where the Mark freq shows. For instance right now, the only RTTY I see for awhile on the spot page is 14,0864 for EC1AAC. When I click on that one, the trace marker on the waterfall shows up at 14.0864 and the rig shows 14.08522 on the tune window. I seldom have to move the tracer more than 100 cy, and that really isnt necessary , in order to copy the signal. Also, if the AFC is activated on the software, it hops right on top of the incoming signal. If you dont have a waterfall, it would be impossible to spot the waterfall freq, now would it no?. HI. One of these days, you will probably have CAT control. It took me about 34 years before I did. Its been an excellent addition to my operation, but prior rigs simply didnt have the capability. I started doing that at the same time I started using a computer to send/receive RTTY - and only after my TS430s took a dive from a lightning strike. Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/drsked/drsked.php Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.1/822 - Release Date: 5/28/2007 11:40 AM
Re: [digitalradio] Offsets for digital modes
Since I dont use either Pactor or Amtor, I couldnt really recommend any software for either, except I do know that MixW shows both a Pactor and Amtor as well as 16 other modes. But, I believe those two are for receive only. Someone on here may know otherwise and would ask them to chime in here. The last time I used either was 10 or so years ago with a tnc, and there were so few using them, I gave them up for Lent. As to RTTY, I still enjoy it, but most folks have switched over to PSK on daily oprerations, It certainly copies weak signals much better than RTTY, but RTTY contests still are a popular gathering place. I dont need software for CW either, but I do use it for certain times that I want to send out an auto-CQ or during a contest when the computer can keep track of worked stations, a whole lot better than I used to do so, with paper. I no longer uses the memories in the rig for CW keying, but have gone completely over to the software to do that At the end of the contest, you push a button and VIOLA - you have the complete logs ready to send in, and they are scored etc. Keeping an electronic log on a daily basis, is certainly more accurate and faster than trying to keep up with paper logs, etc. DXKeeper does not copy CW at all, but MixW and several others try to do so, and in my estimation are almost useless for that purpose - unless the other guy is using a computer to send, and there is no QRM or QRN - very unlikely circumstances during a contest, and especially during a pile-up for a new one. The only reason I ever used a computer to read cw is my own keying, with a straight key or a Vibroplex. In that respect, you can really tell how well you are using those to transmit. If the copy comes out 100 percent, you are doing very fine. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: John Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Offsets for digital modes At 07:48 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote: That what I say John. You cant follow my recommendation, because you dont use a waterfall. Danny your recommendation was to get DXLABS. I have no use for it. As I said I have RTTY covered very well. The other modes you said that it will do ( CW PSK) - I don't need software to do CW and I don't care for PSK therefore that makes it useless and worthless for me. Now if you can find me software that will do Pactor ARQ 1 to 3 or Amtor ARQ you will have my interest. Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/drsked/drsked.php Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.1/822 - Release Date: 5/28/2007 11:40 AM
Re: [digitalradio] Re: 30 meter PSK
Plain ole RTTY works well, and just about the only digital I hear there most of the time. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: John Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: 30 meter PSK At 08:45 AM 5/17/2007, you wrote: Have any of you tried modes other than PSK31 on 30 meters? If so, which ones do you find work the best and can still maintain 40 + wpm speeds like PSK31? I have been doing a bit of Amtor and Pactor when I feel up to it. Still not 100% since having 1/2 a lung removed. Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/drsked/drsked.php Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/805 - Release Date: 5/15/2007 10:47 AM
Re: [digitalradio] 30 meter PSK
No John, Only RTTY of the normal digital modes should be given in the radios dial freq. Once the waterfalls came around with other modes (PSK ETC) the customary thing is to give the waterfall freq. I know some do as you, but it has become much the minority that do so. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: John Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] 30 meter PSK At 05:24 PM 5/16/2007, you wrote: Don, it is customary to give a freq which is the freq the software is showing on the waterfall. Frankly, it is next to useless for many of the spots that show a dial freq. I totally disagree. If I'm on 14,070 at the default offset that's useless? Your off set my not match mine. Or maybe I just don't understand this at all. As long as I have been on digital modes and that's going back to 1970 one always gave the dial frequency. Sorry for the bottom reply but it's short... John, W0JAB Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/drsked/drsked.php Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/805 - Release Date: 5/15/2007 10:47 AM
Re: [digitalradio] VFO Dial Frequency, Audio Frequency, Centre Frequency
It may be simple for YOU Bonnie, but those of us with good software which does all the figuring for you, do NOT find it simple when someone spots a station on 14071. I click on that, and my rig goes to 14070, and hopes the signal is at 14071 on the waterfall, and quite often is NOT there, because someone else uses a different offset. I too started out with spotting the rigs freq, and quickly understood that is NOT where the signal is in the waterfall, and that my spot was rather useless to those who had software that did if for them. Those of you that jiggle the main tuning knob around to do their tuning, can still do so. You have to know what YOUR offset is anyway, so go ahead and tune it where you know it will set the waterfall tracer up where YOU want it. I dont care at all what YOUR offset is. Just giving me the correct spot, allows instant tuning and I dont have to search around amongst 30 or so digital signals to find the station you just told me was there. Contraywise, if I tell you the signal is on 14,17205, you just have to subtract(or add) your offset from that and you know where to set your tranceivers knob. On top of all that, when I spot a station, my software automatically sends it out with the ofset figured in, so if you go to the frequency in the waterfall, you will find the signal I spotted. The four software packages I have used do this automatically. They also give me the whole freq readeout right above, or below, the signals on the waterfall. (Which is what they spot). As to the percentages of those who use CAT or not, I have no idea. But, it would supprise me if their isnt a larger percentage that do - than dont. Certainly with all new tranceivers being built to allow CAT control, I cannot imagine that most hams in the future will be using CAT. After all, we most all have a computer already - and are using that to send/receive digital modes - so the equpment is there to run CAT control. It is far more convenient to use CAT control, and the automatic offset - than to fiddle with knobs. \ Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: expeditionradio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [digitalradio] Unidentified signal
Yep, and she is strong here in Virginia, near Culpeper. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: Dave Corio To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Unidentified signal That sounds like the old TDM signals I used to hear from different embassies. Andrew O'Brien wrote: Anyone else hearing the digital-sounding signal on 13985.5 USB?. S5 here... -- Andy K3UK Skype Me : callto://andyobrien73 www.obriensweb.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/805 - Release Date: 5/15/2007 10:47 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.0/804 - Release Date: 5/14/2007 4:46 PM
Re: [digitalradio] Re: WinDRM Digital Voice
If a short wave station is intefering, constantly, with licensed operations in another part of the world, they are not following international regulations to the letter. First, SWBC stations may NOT direct their signals to an area of the world wherein that frequency is assigned to other uses (I.E. ham radio), according to ITU regulations. The problem comes in that when they are running millions of watts, the front to back ratio, even if what would be considered a great front to back figure - the reverses direction still is thousands of watts. Second, and at least in the past; many countries did not obligate their own stations from followng the rules. We do NOT have to tolerate such action. If that happens, we have every right to expect our own FCC and the ITU to make direct complaints to said countries. They are not always successful, but in many case they have been able to convince the foreign governments to ineed step in and do something about the inteference. That said, we do NOT have to put up with it on the ham bands. Again we have every right to insist the FCC shut down any amateur operation that would intefere with assigned amateur bands and other mode operations within them. It all comes down to proper operating practices. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: WinDRM Digital Voice Most hams want to do the right thing when it comes to operating on our very limited frequencies. That means keeping our signals as narrow as we possibly can to reduce interference to others. The FCC rules state that we should operate with good amateur practices and have also said that
Re: [digitalradio] Digi Voice: No Bandwidth Limit (was Re: ARRL wake up ......)
Theres the second mistake the FCC made. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: expeditionradio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:58 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Digi Voice: No Bandwidth Limit (was Re: ARRL wake up ..) --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, bruce mallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go for it but make shore all of you ID in CW so your calles can be noted by the stations who will complain ... There is no FCC requirement for CW ID on Digital Voice. Bonnie KQ6XA Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/drsked/drsked.php Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/784 - Release Date: 5/1/2007 2:57 PM
Re: [digitalradio] The ARRL
OK Slick Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: John Bradley To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] The ARRL ahem! the politically correct term is folically challenged .. not bald.. hi hi John VE5MU - Original Message - From: wa8vbx To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] The ARRL Well being bald, I don't have to worry about the bad hair, but yes the ARRL has got some of us wound up. Kurt/K8YZK - Original Message - From: Mel To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 4:38 PM Subject: [digitalradio] The ARRL Well, the ARRL seems to get you all wound up ! Seems to me a lot of you folks are having a bad hair day, every day ! G0GQK No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/782 - Release Date: 5/1/2007 2:10 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/782 - Release Date: 5/1/2007 2:10 AM
Re: [digitalradio] Digi Voice: No Bandwidth Limit (was Re: ARRL wake up ......)
It seems to me that, that is exactly what we need. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: John Champa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 6:58 PM Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Digi Voice: No Bandwidth Limit (was Re: ARRL wake up ..) John, Didn't you read all those many rants on the HSMM pages last year? They were all saying the same thing Bonnie is writing here, i.e., the the ARRL bandwidth proposal takes away privileges because under exisiting regs there is NO BANDWIDTH limit. It's the secret hidden in the proposal that nobody wants to talk about, except Jeff king, WB8WKA, of course (HI). 73, John K8OCL Original Message Follows From: expeditionradio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Digi Voice: No Bandwidth Limit (was Re: ARRL wake up ..) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 22:43:01 - --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John B. Stephensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 47cfr97.307(f)(2) limits the bandwidth of all transmissions in the phone/image segments to that of AM or SSB communications quality audio which is usually interpreted as 3 kHz. John KD6OZH Hi John, Digital Voice is Phone under FCC's definition. There is no bandwidth limit on a phone signal, implied or otherwise, for a digital voice signal. You either made an error or you are reading your FCC rules wrong. Here is what the rule actually says: == 97.307 (f) The following standards and limitations apply to transmissions on the frequencies specified in §97.305(c) of this Part. (2) No non-phone emission shall exceed the bandwidth of a communications quality phone emission of the same modulation type. The total bandwidth of an independent sideband emission (having B as the first symbol), or a multiplexed image and phone emission, shall not exceed that of a communications quality A3E emission. == As you can see, that rule is for non-phone. Currently, the non-phone modes defined by FCC in those §97.305(c) frequency bands are image data RTTY multiplexed emission and CW. If you read them carefully, you will find that the FCC rules are really unclear regarding any finite bandwidth limit for these non-phone modes on HF. That is because these ancient rules were written in the middle ages of digital signal technology. I will be happy to provide a examples of how the rules allow very wideband data bandwidth on HF, if you like. 73---Bonnie KQ6XA Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/drsked/drsked.php Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/782 - Release Date: 5/1/2007 2:10 AM
Re: [digitalradio] ARRL wake up ......
Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: John Bradley To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ARRL wake up .. Hmmm. Large number of rules sounds like suppression to me. The right of citizens to experiment and innovate freely without the government telling them where when and how would be a truly free society. AND TO ME IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE SAYING THAT EACH OF US SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT WE WANT, REGARDLESS OF THE INTEFERENCE, OR HARM IT MAY DO OTHERS. I know that is not what you are intending to say, but that often happens when rules are thrown out the window, and suggestions are completely ignored. A truly free society would believe in the golden rule Do unto others as you would have them do unto you Man has been experienting with governments trying to emulate that since who-knows-when. It has never worked. There will always be those who push the envelope beyond the point, and without rules you have no cure for such behavior. My guess is that the vast majority of non US hams on this reflector do not feel supressed, but rather sorry for the US hams who don't have the freedom that other countries enjoy. We can only hope that the FCC and the ARRL will come to some understanding which would enable and foster new modes and further the hobby generally. IS THAT WHY THE UNITED STATES HAS LINES, IN AND OUT MOST OF OUR EMBASSIES, OF PERSONS WAITING IN LINE FOR THE RIGHT TO MOVE HERE, AND POTENTIALLY BECOME CITIZENS? No, I dont feel suppressed. I do get mad as heck when my own government bows down to the minority views of its amateurs, or any other particular group and suppresses the wishes of the majority, as the FCC is wont to do in this period of time. The balance scales of justice, for which we are world reknown appears ,all too often, to tip to those who would use our bands for their own viewpoint - disregarding the views of every other person. If you have been a member of this reflector for some time, you would realize that this is the umpteenth time this argument has gone round and round and takes the focus off what this reflector is really about. There have been some great things happening here lately, with all the interest in J65 and now the digital radio interactive sked page, thanks to the efforts of many members. I CANNOT DISCOUNT THE ADVANCEMENT THIS GROUP HAS BROUGHT TO AMATEUR RADIO AND THE DIGITAL MODES. The J65 mode has jumped out to the forefront recently, but remember, there are people on here that are not interested in that too. They have silently stood by while those of us who have played with it, have used the group to advance our knowledge and capabilities with that model...Some have been swung over to check into it themselves, a goodly percentage have continued, a few have dropped it, but only one or two has said too much. Why muddy these waters with ARRL politics? WHY INDEED? Discussion of rules and regulations is an important part of being able to use these modes, these procedures and populating these bands. The majority of users here (and this is just a guess) are stateside amateurs, and this discussion is important to us, and indeed, what happens within our amateur population is important to the amateur population as a whole. I too, wish I had a place to only read what I want to see, but my wants are UNLIKE those of every other person. So, I guess I can go talk to myself, or remain here, and take in what I want, and ignore the rest. John VE5MU - Original Message - From: Rodney Kraft To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ARRL wake up ..
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Off-topic, but any help appreciated
I Bought two complete kits of comuter stuff from tiger, and got a heck of a lot more than paying the same amount of money and buying one off the shelf unit. I did have to replace one power supply, and one cd plalyer/recorder between the two, in the last 3 years. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: Dave Corio To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Off-topic, but any help appreciated Actually, Gateway's customer service has been pretty good. They had the tech come to the house three or four times to do the repairs. Unfortunately, anything that NEEDS to be repaired eight times has to have started out as junk! I could understand a hard drive crash. Stuff happens. But THREE? and replacing the motherboard twice is bordering on ludicrous! Now they want me to send it in for diagnostics! I can diagnose it! It's BROKEN hi hi! Building is going to be the only way next time. Can't afford it right now, so I'm kind of stuck with this one. But will not buy an off-the-shelf computer ever again. Tnx es 73 Dave KB3MOW AA0OI wrote: Hi Dave: I have no lost love for Gateway. but even worst yet is Dell.. if you check on the computer you will find that Dell has one of the worst customer service there is.. The only good way to get around this is to build it yourself.. Check out Newegg or tigerdirect (newegg 1st choice) Tigerdirect is ok IF it doesnt' involve a rebate ( chances are poor that you would ever get it).. AND building them is not that hard!! AND its just down right FUN!! Garrett / AA0OI - Original Message From: Dave Corio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:34:28 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Off-topic, but any help appreciated The power supply has been changed once already, but that was changing a 250-watt for another 250-watt. I can't just get a generic power supply, as Gateway has a proprietary mounting system that a generic won't fit into without a lot of drilling. I'm going to order a 450-watt unit from Gateway - at $65 plus shipping. This will also be my last dealing with Gateway. This PC has been a lemon since day one, having been repaired now eight times under warranty! Tnx es 73 Dave KB3MOW jhaynesatalumni wrote: --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, N6CRR [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: Spend $20 and swap out the power supply. I had a computer doing that and it turned out to be that. Power supplies are cheap. And cheap power supplies are often prodigious RF noise generators, even when the computer is off. Spend a little more and get a good quality power supply. And beware that Dell computers use the same power connector as others, but with a different pin arrangement. So you can't swap mother boards and power supplies between Dell and other brands. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/778 - Release Date: 4/27/2007 1:39 PM Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/778 - Release Date: 4/27/2007 1:39 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/778 - Release Date: 4/27/2007 1:39 PM
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Hams should have encryption NOT!
I am afraid many of them don't really care what you and I think about it. In this atmosphere of fright, many think that if we DON'T do as they are planning, we will loose our freqs totally. I think if we do it, we indeed WILL loose our freqs. Thus it turns out to be a catch-as-catch-can situation. WE have just got to convince the powers that be, that this is NOT a viable path to the result they want. As a professional communicator of some 29 years service, working with encryption equipment I understand its use, why and how it is used and that once it is in service, it is NEVER going to be removed from service, except to be replaced by more advanced equipment. There will be absolutely no way that any other ham can ever read the traffic, unless he/she has the same algologrythms, and the same key. The more people that have that key, the more likely you are to have a resulting leak of the information. Thus, government, and private services normally use point-to-point keying material, where only two stations have the same key, resulting in high security, but very little capability of sending the message to someone else, without another set of keys being held by the final two stations. Who will supply the key materials? Who will insure that this material is kept under high security situations, both during storage, and under use? This opens up a whole other problem. Are all these hams going to have to have a security clearance? Who would issue that? Right now, the NSA supplies ALL government crypto key material, and does all the testing, engineering, buying of government agency crypto devices, and keying materials. Will the equipment and keying materials have to be procured the same way? Just the part of the crypto question alone is a staggering job. Frankly, if the government wants and needs (and they do) additional radio/communications personnel for emergencies, and certain hams wish to volunteer for the assignment, that is just fine. Please just leave the rest of us out of it and don't force us to change our ways, or loose our present capabilities, in order for them to do so. Go ahead step up as hams, but only because hams are the semi-trained communicators of the day. It is like WWII. Hams stepped forward and taught CW, ran circuits, etc. But they used military equpment, after they were trained by the military to do so. No different than today. Step up with your knowledge, learn their way of dong things, use their equipment, AND THEIR FREQS. Meanwhile, if we have another Madison county flood, I will again go down to the fire/rescue station and set up a radio and sit there until the Navy/Coast Guard arrives. Of course, being the only HF ham active in the county, there arent too many more to talk to. The one or two on UHF/VHF were busy trying to protect their own. The other HF ops, has passed on to other pastures, and it turned out that he and I were on the same side of the rivers, and no hams were on the other side that were flooding. I wonder how many small towns in the US, indeed how many counties have no hams? Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: jgorman01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:15 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Hams should have encryption NOT! Thanks for your frank discussion. As far as encryption for the items like casuality lists. Does anyone think that since at least WWII amateur radio hasn't been able to send encrypted info on CW or RTTY? Hell, the military sent plenty of it in this fashion. So what is the new driver? In every case I can find there is one justification. Our clients and customers are demanding it. Hm, clients and customers, customers and clients. What does this sound like? Oh, I know, a BUSINESS. These folks are wanting to turn amateur radio into a common carrier business that is allowed to carry encrypted third party traffic. Keep in mind that in most cases, these customers and clients don't even want a ham to do the encrypting, they simply want us to carry it over our frequencies. This isn't what amateur radio is about and should not be allowed. There has been an excellent discussion on authentication techniques in prior messages. Let it suffice to say that encrypting content is not required to authenticate a message. You can even send repeater commands, satellite commands, etc. in the clear but only have them acted upon if proper authentication techniques are used. Heck, you can even use encryption techniqes of signatures for non-repudiation. That means if you shut down a satellite by mistake, there is a verifiable trail that shows YOU were the one to do
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Off-topic, but any help appreciated
Dave, is it still under warranty? If not, it would be cheaper to take it to a local shop and have them check it - of course - if this new power supply doesnt fix the problem. I suspect it is NOT under warranty, or you would have been able to ask Gateway for another supply. FYI, we had over 500 Gateway computers at the college, from where I just retired a year and a half ago. We also had a few Dells, with assorted odd and ends hanging around. I even found some Commodore Vic 20 parts in the storeroom, while cleaning it out. We, and most of the colleges in Virginia use Gateway, because they are easy to work on, have extra quick service. At first, we had to answer the same old dumb questions. Is the unit turned on? Is it plugged into the wall, and the wall circuit tested? Blah Blah Blah. Until we convinced them we were NOT users, but were professinal computer people. A call to the regional sales staff, with a threat that we were looking at other companies, got us a different phone number for reporting problems. All I had to do was call, or send an email that a power supply wasnt working, a keyboard had gone bad on a desktop, etc. and they sent one that arrived the next day. That, of course is one of the problems with dealing with large companies like that. Most of their customers qualify for the Dummies with Windows title. So - they pretty much go by-the-book, asking questions and are afraid to skip one, no matter how much you sound like you know what you are doing. They really DO want to provide customer service: so that somone like you or me, doesnt get on a group like this one, and browbeat their good name. One lousy result with a phone calls, results in dozens of tellings, while a good one hardly gets mentioned. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: Dave Corio To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Off-topic, but any help appreciated Thanks for the input, Jose, and nice to talk to you again! If I could, I would build one today. Unfortunately, this one is still under warranty - even after being repaired eight times! Also, the finances simply won't allow for it right now. Just ordered a 500-watt power supply for it that I think (hope!) will cure the problem. The only other alternative was to send the entire unit off to Gateway - an alternative I am unwilling to do. Tnx es 73 Dave KB3MOW Jose A. Amador wrote: Dave, I assembled my computer out of separately bought parts. I cannot reccomend a PSU brand, mine is a tower case with a 300 W noname brand made in China. My MB is a Gigabyte 8S661. I have had it for some more than a year without a hiccup. I bought an Intel P4 CPU @ 2.4 GHz. Another good option I made of cost vs. horsepower so far. I don't believe in Celerons, and the price vs performance curve was unreasonably steep for a 3.2 vs 2.4 for P4's at the end of 2005 for my resources. I would reccomend without hesitation an ASUS motherboard. I have had a couple of Asus motherboards, and the old 486 still works after more than 12 years. Maybe others may recommend other brands. Gigabyte and ASUS are proven compatible good ones for me. ASUS has a very good working relationship with Intel and that is another plus for them. 73, Jose, CO2JA --- Dave Corio wrote: The power supply has been changed once already, but that was changing a 250-watt for another 250-watt. I can't just get a generic power supply, as Gateway has a proprietary mounting system that a generic won't fit into without a lot of drilling. I'm going to order a 450-watt unit from Gateway - at $65 plus shipping. This will also be my last dealing with Gateway. This PC has been a lemon since day one, having been repaired now eight times under warranty! Tnx es 73 Dave KB3MOW jhaynesatalumni wrote: --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, N6CRR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spend $20 and swap out the power supply. I had a computer doing that and it turned out to be that. Power supplies are cheap. And cheap power supplies are often prodigious RF noise generators, even when the computer is off. Spend a little more and get a good quality power supply. And beware that Dell computers use the same power connector as others, but with a different pin arrangement. So you can't swap mother boards and power supplies between Dell and other
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL Withdraws Regulation by Bandwidth Petition, Plans to Refile
Why is a 200 cy bandwidth ridiculous? I was greatly love to see that, where we are using PSK. Why do you want 500 cy on 3.5-3.535? Thats CW country and that would only draw other modes into where the CW DX is. Likewise 40-30-20 and 17 meters. We dont need 500cy for cw do we? And EXCUS ME? Dropping the Extra only segments to 10 kc on 40 and 80? I passed that test in order to get 25 KC. You will have a heck of a sales job on that one. Bonnie, there are still many of us that arent interested one iota in automatic modes, and probably the majority of those are the very ones working down in that lower segment. You will never sell ME on it. This is exactly the reason the ARRL is drawing back on this to start with. Any change at all is going to make a LARGE segment of amateurs very unhappy. I certainly see a reason for bandwidth management, but not at this cost. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: expeditionradio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:57 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL Withdraws Regulation by Bandwidth Petition, Plans to Refile ARRL Withdraws Regulation by Bandwidth Petition Although this might delay USA hams' release from Technology Jail, perhaps it will lead to the development of a better bandwidth-based spectrum management plan, without the need for AM phone loophole contortions, ridiculously narrow 200Hz bandwidth segments, voice-prohibition bands, or data-prohibition bands. Perhaps this will also lead to more reasonable HF Automatic Subbands that could work toward pleasing both sides of the aisle such as: 1980-2000 kHz 3575-3630 kHz 7100-7125 kHz 10135-10150 kHz 14100-14125 kHz 18080-18110 kHz 21100-21150 kHz 24900-24930 kHz 28100-28200 kHz It would be good to see band segmentation at more reasonable power/bandwidths (necessary bandwidth): 500Hz at 1.5kW PEP Transmitter Power 3kHz at 1.5kW PEP Transmitter Power 5kHz at 100W PEP Effective Radiated Power in the General SubBands 10kHz at 100W PEP Effective Radiated Power in the Extra SubBands 500Hz Bandwidth limitation is not needed on some bands, but it would be helpful on 80-17m bands. Some suggestions for 500Hz SubBand segmentation: 3500-3535 kHz 7000-7025 kHz 10100-10115 kHz 14000-14025 kHz 18068-18075 kHz This could go along with a reduction of the Extra-only segments at the bottom of the 80m and 40m bands to: 3500-3510 kHz 7000-7010 kHz -- 73---Bonnie KQ6XA (Trying out the new Nomex catsuit) Announce your digital presence via our DX Cluster telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Our other groups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dxlist/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contesting http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wnyar http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Omnibus97 Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/777 - Release Date: 4/26/2007 3:23 PM
Re: [digitalradio] the mislead about pactor and winlink in general
I get a page cannot be found alalrm when try to go to that url. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: John Becker To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 3:08 PM Subject: [digitalradio] the mislead about pactor and winlink in general I have known for a long time that some of the complainers about Pactor and Winlink have never operated or even copied a single word of the mode. I ask that you read with open mind the comments made by Steve, K4CJX and the PFD attached file. It hits the nail right on the head. I'm not looking for a big debate on the list about Pactor and Winlink. It is just for your information. Besides I will be in the hospital all of next week. Seems that the cancer has return. John, W0JAB -- Read my original comments attached. The ARRL has backed off of their proposal due to controversy stated by the numbers of complaints from the grass roots Amateur. Have you looked into the comments provided by the mislead Grass Roots Amateur for RM-11306? Have you noticed that VERY few are proponents of any change at all? Most are concerned that the Winlink Robots (all 29 of them) are going to take over the entire Amateur spectrum and destroy any possibility of DXers interfering with each other, etc., Want to help? Make INFORMED comments via http://www.activeham.com/hamaction/ Riley Hollingsworth has nothing to do with this. Thanks much! Steve, k4cjx - -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/776 - Release Date: 4/25/2007 12:19 PM
Re: [digitalradio] Do we need a separate group for JT65A?
Isnt this the reason for the group? If we had a separate group for every mode, there would be dozens of sites we woudnt even be aware of, and it would drag none of us into researching the modes ourselves. If the mode gets big enough, and lasts, beyond the initial excitement of a new mode, then it is possible it does need a new group, or spotting group at least, but for now, lets leave it be. By the way, Im listening to 14076 and it sounds like a three string plucker being plucked on freq- and I have no idea what that is it wasnt coming up with anything on the jt65a screen. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: jhaynesatalumni [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:03 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Do we need a separate group for JT65A? Or is the message volume going to die down after everybody here has worked everybody on all bands? Announce your digital presence via our DX Cluster telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Our other groups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dxlist/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contesting http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wnyar http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Omnibus97 Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 4/9/2007 10:59 PM
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Digital mode interfaces, which ones ?
The problem with the LIL Rascal, and the reason I replaced mine, is that it does NOT have a separate CW keying capability (You can only run cw if you feed audio into SSB ((MCW))), and it does not have a microphone jack. That means you cannot easily run SSTV or have a mike attached to it, and have to rewire everytime you swith back and forth from digital to voice. Now- that was with using the front MIC input on the rig, and not the ACC . Doing that, you probably can still have the Mic plugged into the front panel - but that still doesnt give you CW. It worked great with digital only. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: Lew To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Digital mode interfaces, which ones ? I use the Rascal, its small and total isolation between the rig and the computer. I have the 13 pim DIM connected to the ACC2, this way set-up the audio levels in the menu and you are completed - Original Message - From: Leslie Elliott To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 23:38 Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Digital mode interfaces, which ones ? If anyone is interested in a low cost interface, and is willing and able to stuff and solder a PC board, check out the Fox Delta SC-1 offered by Dinesh Dajjar VU2FD in India. http://www.foxdelta.com/products/soundcard.htm It did cost $18 US plus $5 air mail to the states, but I see it has gone up to $28 + shipping. Still a inexpensive alternative, and it is fairly easy to construct. It has both input and output isolation, and also includes a OptoIsolator for PTT. I am very happy with mine, and the only hard part is installing it in an enclosure, which is not provided. 73 de KCÃ~PTO Les --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, kv9u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that I have seen any low cost interfaces that can do both rig control and audio line isolation. Most of the lower cost ones will control PTT and isolate the audio lines. But your rig may not need a special interface for rig control if it can use an RS-232 serial connection. 73, Rick, KV9U Andrew O'Brien wrote: I wonder if we can get some general updates about the commercially available digital mode interfaces available today? Microham, Rigblaster, and SignaLink are among the best known but I wonder what is available at the low end? If a new ham wanted a simple one, one that was well isolated and performed basic rig control only ( no internal soundcards, no Winkey chips, etc) , what is out there? Is there anything under 40 Euros? I'm happy with mine but I am a little out of date on this topic. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.26/748 - Release Date: 4/5/2007 3:33 PM
Re: [digitalradio] JT65A HF on cluster
As long as you or another station is spotting someone outside your own country, that is DX, and I see no way that anyone should be upset about it. Individuals may indeed not want to be spotted, and that is entirely different. In a normal QSO I most always ask the other station, at the end of the QSO if it is OK to spot him. I have never been told NO by anyone. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: Steinar Aanesland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: [digitalradio] JT65A HF on cluster Hi all, How do you feel about being spotted on the cluster? I thought it could be a smart way to tell the HAM community about JT65A on HF, but I don't want to provoke anybody in the group. 73 de LA5VNA Steinar Announce your digital presence via our DX Cluster telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Our other groups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dxlist/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contesting http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wnyar http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Omnibus97 Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.26/748 - Release Date: 4/5/2007 3:33 PM
Re: [digitalradio] j65
Your not alone John. I havent seen one all morning. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: John Bradley To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:28 PM Subject: [digitalradio] j65 ok I need help. why is it that I can see the messages, and message numbers, time sent etc etc but I can't see any callsigns? Can copy RO and 73 etc etc at -29db on the waterfall and understand how those tones work. other people have been seeing me yet i can't copy a callsign.. Grrr! John VE5MU -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.26/748 - Release Date: 4/5/2007 3:33 PM
Re: [digitalradio] j65
No- I am not saying that I dont hear or see anything on the waterfall, I am not seeing any call signs print out. In fact, I am no longer even watching. Ive gone back to tyrying to work N8S. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - From: Steinar Aanesland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] j65 Strange! It is crowded on 14.076 right now! 73 de LA5VNA Steinar Danny Douglas wrote: Your not alone John. I havent seen one all morning. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each . QSL LOTW-buro- direct As courtesy I upload to eQSL but if you use that - also pls upload to LOTW or hard card. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] moderator http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk - Original Message - *From:* John Bradley mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, April 06, 2007 1:28 PM *Subject:* [digitalradio] j65 ok I need help. why is it that I can see the messages, and message numbers, time sent etc etc but I can't see any callsigns? Can copy RO and 73 etc etc at -29db on the waterfall and understand how those tones work. other people have been seeing me yet i can't copy a callsign.. Grrr! John VE5MU No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.26/748 - Release Date: 4/5/2007 3:33 PM Announce your digital presence via our DX Cluster telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Our other groups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dxlist/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contesting http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wnyar http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Omnibus97 Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.26/748 - Release Date: 4/5/2007 3:33 PM
