Re: [digitalradio] Which Digi Program ??

[Les Warriner]

Forgot to add:  83 yrs, 3/4 brain cell.

At 07:17 AM 1/13/2010, you wrote:



MIXW w/Kenwood TS 440SAT.  In service for at 
least 5 years.  No interface.  Direct from 440 to XP computer.


73

At 07:07 AM 1/13/2010, you wrote:



.
.
Hello Happy Hams

After returning to Amateur Radio after a very 
long absence, I am 'messing about' with digital 
modes - all of which are totally new to me, and 
at almost 75 years of age,  my one very slow remaining braincell.


I have downloaded and appraised all the 
programs I could find mainly for PSK 31, that 
will work with my little M0AQC (Alan) Interface.


All seem to have their own individual 
merits and de-merits.   MutltiPSK for example 
for its many supported modes - DigiPan or MixW 
for their simplicity.But for facilities, 
information, sheer complexity (for me!)Ham 
Radio DeLuxe.  Sadly, it doesn't seem to 
integrate well with my aged but well loved Kenwood TS 520 SE !!


However, the program that appeals to me the 
most at the moment (this may change as my 
experience and knowledge improves), is 
certainly Airlink Express - I rarely see any 
stations using this, and the numerical favourite on air seems to be MixW.


There obviously can't be a program that is 'One 
size fits all' - but for me, not one of them 
has all the elements I want, without loads of features I don't !!


I would be very interested to hear what 
programs others use - particularly with 'Boat 
Anchor' Kenwood Transceivers (520, 530, 820, 830)


For reference - and to save hunting around for 
Digi Software - I think most of it is available for download at this site -


http://www.xs4all.nl/~nl9222/digisoft.htm 



I am at present writing up my experiences in 
detail on my 'Amateur Radio Blog'  on the Web Page at :-


  www.John4Music.TV

Kind regards and 73's to all from this white, 
windy and cold country called 
'England'.   'Global Warming' - I think not !!!  HI


de

John  G3OBU


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Re: [digitalradio] Which Digi Program ??

[Les Warriner]

MIXW w/Kenwood TS 440SAT.  In service for at 
least 5 years.  No interface.  Direct from 440 to XP computer.


73

At 07:07 AM 1/13/2010, you wrote:



.
.
Hello Happy Hams

After returning to Amateur Radio after a very 
long absence, I am 'messing about' with digital 
modes - all of which are totally new to me, and 
at almost 75 years of age,  my one very slow remaining braincell.


I have downloaded and appraised all the programs 
I could find mainly for PSK 31, that will work 
with my little M0AQC (Alan) Interface.


All seem to have their own individual 
merits and de-merits.   MutltiPSK for example 
for its many supported modes - DigiPan or MixW 
for their simplicity.But for facilities, 
information, sheer complexity (for me!)Ham 
Radio DeLuxe.  Sadly, it doesn't seem to 
integrate well with my aged but well loved Kenwood TS 520 SE !!


However, the program that appeals to me the most 
at the moment (this may change as my experience 
and knowledge improves), is certainly Airlink 
Express - I rarely see any stations using this, 
and the numerical favourite on air seems to be MixW.


There obviously can't be a program that is 'One 
size fits all' - but for me, not one of them has 
all the elements I want, without loads of features I don't !!


I would be very interested to hear what programs 
others use - particularly with 'Boat Anchor' 
Kenwood Transceivers (520, 530, 820, 830)


For reference - and to save hunting around for 
Digi Software - I think most of it is available for download at this site -


http://www.xs4all.nl/~nl9222/digisoft.htm 



I am at present writing up my experiences in 
detail on my 'Amateur Radio Blog'  on the Web Page at :-


 www.John4Music.TV

Kind regards and 73's to all from this white, 
windy and cold country called 
'England'.   'Global Warming' - I think not !!!  HI


de

John  G3OBU


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Re: [digitalradio] QRV RFSM-8000 tonight

[Les Keppie]

RFSM8000  v.54 is now available from

http://rfsm2400.radioscanner.ru/

Regards
Les VK2DSG

On 12/10/2009 12:45 PM, Jose A. Amador wrote:



I called and beaconed using v. 0.536 on 7077.0 KHz USB and nothing 
happened.


Jose, CO2JA

obrienaj escribió:
> I will be operating RFSM-8000 tonight around  to 0200 probably 
around 7077 or 14077 depending on conditions. I will beacon 
occasionally and try to remember the baud rate limitation that USA ham 
have to follow. Hopefully I can test a few transfers with someone.

>
> Andy K3UK
>

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Re: [digitalradio] The most used software?

[Les Warriner]

And I am told by some of the people who ran/run a beta copy of the 
new Microsoft coming out that it is/will be compatible with the XP 
programs and really works well.  Time will tell but is something to 
possibly look forward to.


At 11:46 AM 10/10/2009, you wrote:



Interesting and great question, my friend...
If a station is solely running the VISTA operating system,
they might want to download and install Fldigi or HRD.
Digipan and MixW is not compatible with VISTA, but works
well with XP..  I am running at the present time Fldigi and
really like it, since it is user friendly..A choice everyone has
to make.. Experiment and go have some fun !

  73 de Lee / KB1NAL




Hi Andy

Strange, but from my on-air observations it seems to me that most still
use MixW .

I have tested a lot of digi software and my favorite without doubt is
Patrick's multipsk

73 la5vna Steinar

obrienaj wrote:
> I am wondering, based on you QSOs, what is the most sued multi mode
software these days ? I know in the old days, "Software is Digipan" was
the most common thing we would see , then later Zakanaka or MixW. What
about nowadays, is it DM780, still MixW, FLdigi ? I know there have been
polls and surveys in the past, I am just looking for your on-air
observations of what OTHERS are using.
>
> Andy K3UK
>
>




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Re: [digitalradio] Radio for 30 Meters.?????

[Les Warriner]

Flex Radio

At 08:58 AM 10/9/2009, you wrote:



On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 02:28:22PM -, ve3hsc wrote:
> Who makes the BEST radio for 30 meters.

That's a "how long is a piece of string?" question, OM.

Best with respect to what qualities? Sensitivity, audio quality,
filtering, DSP, tolerance of strong signals near a weak one, what?

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Re: [digitalradio] New 40m Band Plan

[Les Keppie]

Read Note 2
Les VK2DSG

Laurie, VK3AMA wrote:
 


Sorry,

I bit quick with that last email. I should have scrolled to the bottom 
of the page, NB=Narrow Band modes are listed on other bands. Still not 
the best for Region-3 ops. 40M phone down to 7030, 80M phone down to 
3535 with no digital mentioned at all.


de Laurie, VK3AMA

Laurie, VK3AMA wrote:


And the rather pathetic Region 3 bandplan is here...
http://www.iaru-r3.org/r3bandplan.doc

with the only band showing digital modes is 20M !!!

de Laurie, VK3AMA


Trevor . wrote:

Hi Andy,

The IARU Region 2 (Americas) bandplan gives digital as 7035-7043 as 
against the  7040-7050 for 500 Hz BW digimodes and 7050-7060 for 
2700 Hz BW digimodes used in Region 1. It's unfortunate there is a 
difference between regions, lets hope they can work towards 
harmonisation.


IARU Region 1 bandplan
http://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=175&Itemid=127

IARU Region 2 bandplan
http://www.iaru-r2.org/wp-content/uploads/region-2-mf-hf-bandplan-e.pdf

73 Trevor M5AKA
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--- On *Sun, 19/7/09, Andrew O'Brien //* wrote:


From: Andrew O'Brien 
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] New 40m Band Plan
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 19 July, 2009, 10:02 PM



I did not know that,  but have noticed less Europeans at 7035,

Andy K3UK


On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Andrew > wrote:

 


Has anyone noticed that the band plan for 40m has been
changed. I for one had not seen it. It has changed the
frequency for digi modes from the 7035 area up to 7040 to 7047.

I still hear most stations around 7035

Link is below

Andy
LY/ES2DY

Re: [digitalradio] Digest Number 4291

[Les Zavadil]

Amateur Radio Digital  Mode Discussion
In the US 144.076 and 50.076 are CW Only.  --  73  --  Les, W4FRA






Re: JT65A on 17 & 30M 
Posted by: "expeditionradio" expeditionra...@yahoo.com   expeditionradio 
Mon Jun 1, 2009 10:05 am (PDT) 



http://hflink.com/jt65/

JT65A HF Frequencies

VFO FREQ
- 28076.0 kHz USB
- 24920.0 kHz USB
- 21076.0 kHz USB
-
18102.0 kHz USB
* 14076.0 kHz USB 
* 10139.0 kHz USB 
- 7036.0 kHz USB
- 7039.0 kHz USB 
- 7076.0 kHz USB
- 3576.0 kHz USB
- 1838.0 kHz USB
- 1805.0 kHz USB

JT65A signal is normally about +1.3kHz to +1.5kHz higher than the VFO frequency.



Terrestrial JT65A
VHF Frequencies

VFO FREQ
- 144.076 MHz USB
- 144.116 MHz USB
- 144.160 MHz USB
- 50.076 MHz USB
- 50.160 MHz USB
- 50.260 MHz USB

Re: [Fwd: Re: [digitalradio] Easypal in MARS]

[Les Keppie]

Les Keppie wrote:

I have forwarded your email on to Erik VK4AES for information
and got this reply

Hi Les,

Well, that is a surprise.
I made a few changes from the MARS group requests, but never hear any 
reply to see if it is what they want.


The missing "FileOK" in the waterfall is still a mystery.
I have seen it miss on a few occasions but the code seems OK.
Well it isn't, just that I cannot see why at present.
It is probably some weird interaction in the most unexpected spot.

Erik






Subject:
RE: [digitalradio] Easypal in MARS
From:
"David Little" 
Date:
Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:23:03 -0400
To:


To:



Andy,
 
At leas one of our members has been in touch with the developer and 
made requests to simplify the cut and paste options of the text 
transfer. 
 
There have been numerous updates, and the text transfer has been 
updated to make it more adaptable for use  to insert blocks of text 
for broadcast.
 
All the other functions of the BSR and FIX apply to the text function.
 
If you were tasked with sending the participants of a net a rather 
intricate set of instructions, taskings, or specifications, and had to 
be sure each member had received it properly, you could spend a major 
part of an hour with requests for fills or repetitions, words 
phonetically, groups, or numbers.
 
With easypal, you get what you get on the original transmission, and 
you send the BSR (Bad Segment Request) and the sending station sends 
the FIX file containing only those segments.  Each member receives 
benefit of any bad block that they missed in a FIX file sent to 
another member, since it is a broadcast (non-connected) protocol.
 
If you were involved in dial-up file transfer in the 80s, when text 
files were "captured" you will remember that it took as much time to 
capture a space as it did a letter.  Transfer protocols were created 
the compressed ASCII on the fly to improve through put, I seem to 
remember J-modem, I-modem, y-modem and others that had the compression 
routines built in.  I remember using a shell on ProComm Plus to allow 
choosing up to 14 different transfer protocols, dependent on the type 
of file you were transferring.  I had at least 9 options available on 
the BBS I ran from the late 80s to the mid 90s. 
 
If Easypal can send a perfect high resolution picture in a 20K Wave 
file, you can imagine how small a 2 page document would be when 
converted to binary, data digitized into a wave file then sent in this 
manner to assure error-free reception. 
 
The repeater function allows the file to be sent to a central 
repository then retrieved individually by the members who could 
retrieve the file list.
 
The program is getting very polished, and has great potential.
 
I don't know if it is getting much exposure in all regions, but it is 
a valuable tool for the toolbox.
 
As far as acceptance, MARS is a fairly diverse group of folks.  Some 
are up in age, some are retired and homebound, some are fit and ready 
for deployment at the drop of a hat.  Since there are requirements for 
continued membership, participation requirements, reporting 
requirements, requirements for pulling NCS and ANCS, requirements for 
NIMS compliance, now the requirement for a General or higher 
license Then you can see that the members have to meet certain 
obligations and benchmarks to continue to be a member.  With this in 
mind, the program has some fairly receptive members, who wanted to go 
further in their service in, and understanding of the art of 
communications..  Most of them are quite willing to try something new. 
 
We haven't spent the degree of time on Easypal as we have with MT-63.  
But with each region having up to 10 one hour long nets scheduled each 
day, and each net has the requirement for some sort of training, and 
many members are uniquely qualified in one aspect of the training or 
another, it becomes fairly easy to see how a new mode can be 
introduced, explained, setup and operation help given, and results 
seen within the course of an hour and in an interactive manner in a 
disciplined net structure.
 
Is MARS the silver bullet?  Hardly.  It has it's growing pains as much 
as any organization. 
 
In Amateur Radio, if there is a community that has 3 Amateur Radio 
operators, there will be 4 opinions on every subject and pretty soon 
there will be the need for 5 repeaters to be established so they can 
communicate with their "group".  We all can key the Mic, but many 
times, as "communicators" we show that we can send out a signal, but 
actual communication is not often what results.  The organized format 
of MARS, the requirements, continuous training, forward looking (not 
driving the car by only looking through the rear-view mirror), the 
disciplined net structure.  All of these things help form a group that 
is dedicated to the art of emerg

[digitalradio] CT-62 cable with USB

[Les Keppie]

Hi All
Anyone using this cable to control the Yaesu FT857? (see link Below)
Seems might be the answer for Winmor and other programs
to control transceiver on computers with no serial port
http://valley-ent.com/catalog/yaesu-ct62-cable-ft100-ft817-ft857-ft897-p-406.html?osCsid=96eeceb4971a3eadba23f33a13d15d7a
Les VK2DSG

Re: [digitalradio] Re: on 14.109 USB all day (Q15X25) - please read about FEC ..

[Les Keppie]

I would be more inclined to say that it is the lack of propagation on
the higher bands that has stopped the use of MT63 for DX work
Olivia managed to hang on for some time longer due to its better S/NR
characteristics BUT if you dont have propagation you dont have QSOs
in any mode
I would like to think that there will be a resurgence of MT63/Olivia modes
when conditions improve  - if they ever do  - in fact I shall be looking
forward to working all of the European and W  stations that were
regularly on the band when we had good conditions plus all the new ones
that would want to try out those modes
14109.5 was chosen as a frequency since it is in the band 14095 to 14112
as allowed in the VK regulations and  was chosen since it allowed to use 
USB
using signal widths 2khz  wide and the upper edge was 500 hz below our 
14112

restriction - SSB above 14112
This happened back in 1998 in February when a group of  keen amateurs
started using the EVM56002  modem and software written by Pavel Jalocha
Most of these amateurs were located in Finland - Spain- UK - and W land
and New Zealand and probably some others that I now forget
After that came the IZ8BLY  software and later MixW and others that included
the MT63 mode plus others
I believe that MT 63/Olivia will again become popular with amateurs when
conditions improve since it is a mode where a group  in several different
countries can have a pleasant roundtable at good speed
Only time will tell how ALE will fare in the period when conditions improve
and when the newer mode of WINMOR becomes available
Regards
Les VK2DSG


John Becker, WØJAB wrote:


Bonnie,
I ran both on 14,109 till I starting seeing the QRM from ALE.

I really think that is the reason that you or anyone else sees
no MT63 there.
I first started with ALE about 2002 or 2003 and gave up on it.

And still today I still see no regard by ALE stations for a freq
that may be in use.

Bottom line - ALE ran off any MT63 operation on 14,109.

(As you like on all your list name and call and more)

John, W0JAB
Louisiana, Missouri
EM49LK

At 06:57 PM 2/11/2009, you wrote:
>Hi Les,
>
>It is 2009. Digital evolution moves on.
>
>MT63 had a few good years of activity in the late 1990s. It was a
>significant step in the evolution of digital texting modes. But, alas,
>the popularity of MT63 on 14109 kHz USB subsided about 8 years ago.
>This coincided with the increasing popularity of a number of other
>interesting modes that eclipsed MT63.
>
>We saw very very few MT63 QSOs in 2008 on 14109 kHz USB.
>
>73 Bonnie KQ6XA

Re: [digitalradio] Re: on 14.109 USB all day (Q15X25) - please read about FEC ..

[Les Keppie]

Bonnie
One would also respectfully ask why the 24/7 Global Emcomm group
would choose to run their system on a known MT63 frequency of long
standing - I guess we all should keep in mind that no one group has any
claim to ANY frequency and to expect QRM from others should be the norm
Les VK2DSG

expeditionradio wrote:


Respectfully, I'm just curious why you would want to run such an
experiment directly on top of an existing ham radio 24/7 global Emcomm
network at 14109 USB?

Bonnie KQ6XA

> I've left my system on 14.109 USB running Q15X25 through
> the soundmodem software.
> Connect to VE4KLM please. I'll send out the odd AX25 beacon from
> time to time.
> something about center frequency of 14.109.5 USB ?
> Maiko Langelaar / VE4KLM
>

Re: [digitalradio] RFSM file transfer

[Les Keppie]

Hi Tommi
In testing here in VK - VK2JN  and VK2DSG have passed files in excess
of 4 Mb on 80m band - best time seems to be late afternoon when
atmospheric noise is a lesser problem
Both stations here using licenced versions of RFSM8000 VER .534

To achieve these speeds around the 3000 bps you do require quite good
S/NR figures - but who is going to try and pass a 4mb file if S/NR
is -5  - just forget about it until you have good conditions

Sound card calibration is another thing that requires some attention
using this program to get the best transfer speeds
Here in VK we both used CheckSR.exe from MixW - and  Calibrate.exe
from RFSM8000 - later withdrawn by author
But we used to calibrate with both programs and then made an average
reading of both results and used this in the tx/rx soundcard setup

In my opinion - a good program for use on HF - given fair to  good conditions
and maybe a lot better on VHF

Regards
Les VK2DSG


From: Tommi Holopainen 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 6:04 AM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [digitalradio] RFSM file transfer


Hello
Just wondering has anybody else tryed transfer quite big files on HF 
with RFSM or some other mode?. We just tranfered OH7TE ---> OH7JJT "Big" 
1.3 MB file 80m band. File was simply zipped program file.
Propagation on 80m band was not very good, some qrm, aurora and fading 
as usually here dark time. We had abt 400 km QRB.
Transfer time was about 1 hour
Stations setup:
OH7JJT:
Yaesu FT 990 40 w Dipole abt 8 m up
Software RFSM 8000 version 0.534

OH7TE
JUMA TRX2A Digi Mode Edition + Lauta Mosfet PA abt 60 w
Dipole up 12m
Software RFSM 8000 version 0.534

-Tommi OH7JJT-


 

Re: [digitalradio] TNC Suggestion Requested

[Les Warriner]

Oh?  NMCM is using Pactor 1 and my "ancient" KAM 
is working well on the circuit.  The latest and 
greatest is NOT always necessary.  Nice, Yes, but 
not necessary. And yes, I can also receive Pactor 1 with MIXW2.


Les/NNN0KTM WA

At 04:24 PM 9/15/2008, you wrote:


Already own MixW.
Need to be compatible with Winlink2K. Pactor3 is apparently only
available from SCS, and that is what the Winlink community is using.
Just don't like the lack of competition.

Sam Cook, Milan, MO
Amateur Extra Class Radio Station ACØOK
ARES Official Emergency Station, Sullivan Co., MO
Military Affiliate Radio System (MARS) AAR7AO
FEMA IS-00100.a Certified
=

Mark Milburn wrote:
> You might want to look into using MultiPSK. The
> author has recently added a feature to his program
> which allows it to be used as a TNC emulation. MixW
> also has this feature, but registration costs are
> fairly high.
>
> 73 Mark KQ0I
> Des Moines, IA
>
> --- Sam Cook <<mailto:sam%40ac0ok.net>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I'm considering buying a new TNC for portable emcomm
>> station use.
>> I have a KAMplus and a plain old KAM, but guess I
>> should upgrade.
>> Without an ear-splitting yell of "SCS", what are the
>> suggestions for me?
>> *IF* the SCS is the *ONLY* one I should consider,
>> which model??
>> I do have USB and serial ports available on my
>> portable computer.
>> Running WinXP-Pro. Yaesu FT-857D and FT-2800M
>> Feeling depressed about parting with that much
>> money... more than my
>> xcvr. Want something that will last a while. Can't
>> afford to upgrade
>> every couple of years.
>> TNX
>>
>> Sam Cook, Milan, MO
>> Amateur Extra Class Radio Station ACØOK
>> ARES Official Emergency Station, Sullivan Co., MO
>> Military Affiliate Radio System (MARS) AAR7AO
>> FEMA IS-00100.a Certified
>> =
>>
>> 
>>
>> Announce your digital presence via our Interactive
>> Sked Page at
>> <http://www.obriensweb.com/sked>http://www.obriensweb.com/sked
>>
>> 30M digital activity at
>> <http://www.projectsandparts.com/30m>http://www.projectsandparts.com/30m
>>
>> Recommended software : DM780, Multipsk, FLDIGI,
>> Winwarbler ,MMVARI.
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at
> <http://www.obriensweb.com/sked>http://www.obriensweb.com/sked
>
> 30M digital activity at 
<http://www.projectsandparts.com/30m>http://www.projectsandparts.com/30m

>
> Recommended software : DM780, Multipsk, FLDIGI, Winwarbler ,MMVARI.
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] Re: CW - last resort?

[Les Warriner]

Go to Africa and learn the drums.  They work too and are effective 
over a large area.



At 03:28 PM 6/1/2008, you wrote:


Could be true Chuck. I guess to take it just a step further, we need
to ask Simon to start looking into writing another mode into his
great software to decode/operate the hammers to hit the trees like
the old natives in the jungle do.

Oops, somebody would have to go cut down trees and the "huggers"
ain't going to like that, so I guess the knocking sounds will be
vertically polarized due to striking standing trees.

Oh wait! This even predates CW and was just as effective . hmm
Should we find possible scenarios to justify this mode now too?
HiHiHi

John KE5HAM

--- In 
digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, 
Chuck Mayfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

wrote:
>
> Do not laugh. It could come to pass that we (mankind) will need to
> reinvent spark gap.Who knows what evil lurks in the minds
>
> Chuck AA5J
>
> At 02:39 PM 6/1/2008, Jack Hamilton wrote:
>
>
> >On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:07:17 -0400, "Paul L Schmidt, K9PS"
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > > Andrew O'Brien wrote:
> > > > My reading of the message is that Morse code is "authorized"
NOT
> > > > mandated. It seems a reasonable decision for a organization
often
> > > > dependent on volunteers, if they want to use it.. let'em.
MARS will
> > > > continue to use MT63, ALE, PSK, and many other digital modes.
> > > >
> > > > Andy K3UK
> > > >
> > >
> > > That's exactly the correct reading. Another tool for the
toolbox.
> > >
> > > Digital modes (ranging in complexity from WL2K and ALE down to
PSK31
> > > and RTTY) will carry the bulk of the traffic. But if the
computer
> > > goes down and propagation stinks, CW certainly beats "nothing".
> >
> >I guess it's time for us all to learn how to build spark gap
> >transmitters, just in case.
> >
> >--
> >Jack Hamilton
> >Sacramento, California
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
>

Re: [digitalradio] Vista

[Les Warriner]

That is what I did when the opportunity came up to get a new laptop 
but loaded with VISTA.  Wiped it totally and loaded XP w/2.  Works 
great.  Have found nothing so far that it would not do.


Les

At 03:28 PM 3/24/2008, you wrote:


I'm looking at purchasing a new laptop, and I can't find anything that
doesn't come with Vista. Is anyone having success running digital
software (e.g. MultiPSK and/or MMTTY) with Vista? Last I heard, most
digital software doesn't play nice with it.

I thought about buying a Vista machine, and loading XP, but the
problem I've found is that some drivers may not be available for XP.

I'd like to get a little guidance before I pull out what's left of my
hair.

Thanks in advance,

Eric
WA0ELM


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[digitalradio] Propneter's stepping on each other.

[Les McClure]

Hello all,

I spend a lot time it seems observing th prop net signals on 30 meters. 
I have put in a second sound card and split the receive audio to both 
cards at once, Mixw looks at the second sound card and gets a better 
picture of activity than does Prop net. I note a number of overlapping 
useless signals on exactly or very close to 10138.90, new radios are 
very frequency accurate so many are piling up on 10138.90. Usually that 
is great except in our case.

I would like to propose some spreading out of the signal providers  to 
reduce the stepping on each other going on now. I suggest something like 
all providers west of the Mississippi would transmit from +10 to +300 
signals above 10138.90. Providers west of the Mississippi would spread 
out in some random manner from -10 to -300 Hertz of 10138.90. Some 
overlap could still occur but it should be much less and more signals 
would be decoded and reported.

Les, W3GXT

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Operating FSK RTTY in a contest ?

[Les Warriner]

That smell and those sounds will never be forgotten.  Too bad the 
brats have no chance to experience them, 15, 19, etcLoops - reminiscing


73  Les


At 07:30 AM 2/12/2008, you wrote:

--- In 
<mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com>digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, 
"Robert Chudek - K0RC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

wrote:
>
> I started my RTTY career using 2125 and 2975 tones...

Same here, and with a pre-WW-II Super Pro receiver that would have
drifted right out the window if it had not been screwed down. And
a transmitter of the same vintage with a VFO down in the broadcast
band and multiplying all the way up. Operation on 20M was
practically unthinkable, even if we had not been in an extreme
fringe area for TV and even if the transmitter had not had about
18" of excess lead length in the PA tank circuit.

until those young brats started pushing the envelope (or should I say,
squeezing the envelope) with those 170 Hz tones... things were much
simpler in those good ole days... your betcha... the smell of a well
oiled machine, a whiff of ozone from the commutator, polar relays!
(hey remember them?), and the quiet roar of all that machinery
pounding out your CQ's... It was great... well, except for two
things... having your platen pounded to death at the right margin, and
coming home to find a half roll of paper behind the machine because
some smart-a** thought it was cute to auto start your machine and feed
it 15 minutes of line feeds. Yep, the good ole days... ! ! !

Seems like the late Irv Hoff was especially plagued with that
problem, as he had a large fan club and a small but vocal
anti-fan club. He worked out a scheme for the Model 28 stunt
box - I have one of the machines fitted out that way, but I
no longer remember exactly what it all was. It involved putting
in the automatic carriage return and line feed kit, to take care
of the occasional missing carriage return. Then it was something
like having the carriage return character also do the line feed,
and suppressing line feeds on repeated carriage returns.

Jim W6JVE


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Re: [digitalradio] Re: New release (4.7) of MULTIPSK

[Les Warriner]

Thanks Much!!!

At 04:45 PM 1/31/2008, you wrote:

On Jan 31, 2008 6:59 PM, Les Warriner 
<<mailto:leswa7ham%40earthlink.net>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey Patrick!! Cud u give me the URL: to download this pgm? Appreciate!!

Les, the main mirror site is Earl's, N8KBR:
<http://multipsk.eqth.info/index.html>http://multipsk.eqth.info/index.html 
(click on "United States Download

Site #1").

--
JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH (FN42gx)
Contest Manager, TARA Skirmish

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Re: [digitalradio] Re: New release (4.7) of MULTIPSK

[Les Warriner]

Hey Patrick!!  Cud u give me the URL: to download this pgm?  Appreciate!!
73  Les

At 02:05 PM 1/31/2008, you wrote:


Frank,

I will see if I can find this on a Vista computer.

One other solution would be to see what happens with a test program 
(with a lot of flags).


If you are interested, PSE send me a mail to 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]


73
Patrick



- Original Message -
From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Tooner
To: <mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com>digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:53 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: New release (4.7) of MULTIPSK

--- In 
<mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com>digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, 
"Patrick Lindecker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

wrote:
>
> Hello Frank,
>
> >Windows - No Disk Exception Processing Message 0xc013 Parameters
> Did you have this problem at the second starting? Or is it permanent
each time you start it?

Every time I start it.

f


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Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE Sounding and How does it work?

[Les Warriner]

Now, 20 million + 1

73

At 08:05 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote:




If the statement below is False, why are there 
not more call signs showing up on the main ALE frequencies?




I can leave my rig on 14109.5 or 10145.5  for 24 
hours and only see, at most 4 or 5 stations?  Ditto for the ALE website


At HFlink.  And 99% of those are soundings. So 
where are the QSO’s and the like?




Who is up for testing the ability of PCALE to 
handle a standard test document between 2 distant stations, compared to 141A or


ALE400. Ditto for a file transfer?  I can’t on 
PCALE since I can only receive, since I have a 
problem getting the software to TX.




Anyway , in the past I have told you guys at 
least 20 million times not to exaggerate……






John

VE5MU







At 09:48 PM 1/10/2008, you wrote:
>
>Chris , ZL1BOE
>
>you will be told by others that ALE is widely
>used to set up QSO’s and QSY’s using the one
>line message ability . You will also be told
>that it is used widely for keyboard to keyboard
>QSO’s and that there are thousands of Hams using
>ALE ( last figure I heard was 6000) . These are
>folks who are using PCALE, who have aggressively
>set aside frequencies for ALE use in all bands,
>and are promoting ALE as the answer to emergency communications.

FALSE


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Re: [digitalradio] Re: Emergency agencies/ ham equipment/ hams in emcomm

[Les Warriner]

You have led a sheltered life.  Try operating in the Philipines after 
a volcano blows, or in Mexico after the same incident, or in Africa 
after a transvaal fire,  then tell me Hams are not needed.  It's too 
bad we are getting comments like this from the uninformed with no 
experience. Get some beard growth and you'll rapidly change your mind.


73

Les

At 08:13 AM 1/11/2008, jgorman01 wrote:

--- In 
<mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com>digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, 
Alan Barrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> ""snip""
>
> I personally had a Red Cross shelter leader run after my truck and
> flag me down because she thought we were packing up. quote: "You
> don't know how much we still need you guys. Until you arrived we had
> no communications since the big green helicopter landed and kicked
> out pallets or MRE's. The phones still don't work, please do not
> leave."
>
> Don't think that did not change my perspective and disillusionment.
> This is not an ego thing, exactly the opposite. Made me realize that
> independent of what I thought we could or should do (my ego), we had
> a job to do. I should set aside my annoyances & preferences, that
> what we were doing was important and needed.

Your first paragraph indicates that the shelter was so remote and
isolated that it required helicopter delivery of food and water. Yet
you also indicate that you were in your truck which indicates you
could drive to the shelter. Maybe you were driving a monster truck?
Some of this appears to be an appeal to emotion.

I HAVE been around long enough to know neither the ARC or SA would
open a shelter in a location that was not reachable by regular supply
vehicles nor that had SOME kind of communications. I am pretty sure
that the government authorities would not authorize this either. To
do otherwise is simply asking for the shelter staff to require
'rescuing' at some time in the future thereby adding to the problem.
Consequently, when you say no communications, you are overstating the
facts. Now maybe, a runner in a vehicle may the only means of
communication, but never the less, it is communications.

""snip""

> I guess the core difference is some are saying we have no business
> even providing emergency service. And I believe that is a very
> extreme and unsound position.
>

Your guess is wrong. No one I have seen post is saying that we have
no business providing emergency communications where appropriate and
in a manner that support the public best.

>
> ""snip""
>
> So what's this have to do with digital radio? I think we have a
> large opportunity to contribute. We all want an alternative to $1k
> proprietary modems. But until we get that alternative there is some
> value there.
>
> That does not mean we can or should compromise operation in the rest
> of the bands. But there needs to be a place. Just like there should
> be for other digital modes, current and future.
>
> The whole idea that a legal limit rtty contest op is somehow
> appropriate & allowed, yet other digi sigs should not be is
> non-sensical. Some of the new modes offer incredible performance &
> efficiency. they can be fun for casual work. But they could also
> offer significant value in an emergency if harnessed.
>

You might have continued and made an argument for full blown pactor 3
bandwidth for emergencies but you blew it by including casual use. The
use of wide signals within a limited spectrum WILL displace several
others that want to use narrow signals. It is obvious that you have
no love for rtty, yet several rtty signals can fit into the bandwidth
of a 2.2 kHz pactor 3 signal. Would you impinge upon their preferred
mode of operation for your casual use? It sounds like it. No one is
guaranteed a time or place to operate. The wider the signal you wish
to use, the fewer places and times there are that you can use it.
That's life, move on.

I also assume you are upset over rm-11392 that would limit bandwidths.
You really haven't made a case for casual use of anything wider than
the 1.5 kHz that is being asked for. Remember, this bandwidth limit
has been there for a long time, it just wasn't codified. The current
rules were adequate prior to the introduction of ofdm modulation to
the amateur bands. Pactor 3 is simply EXPLOITING a loophole in the
way that the regulations are currently written. Perhaps you should
write a comment to the fcc that you believe bandwidth limits are ok
for all data modes except for ofdm emissions which should have no
limits on their bandwidth. It sounds like that is what you wish.

> ""snip""
>
> Have fun,
>
> Alan
>

Jim
WA0LYK


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[digitalradio] [Fwd: Re: [multipsk] ALE Sounding : what is it and how does it work]

[Les Keppie]

One other thing - there will be NO beacon to tell you
that the server is there - you will have to try to connect
to VK2DSG to see if you can raise it
Regards
Les

John Bradley wrote:
>  

>  
> 
> RFSM8000  gets very little mention  on these reflectors, since hams in the
> USA cannot exceed 300baud speed. Dimitry and his team have posted the latest
> version which looks interesting , but haven't tried it, but is something we
> can run here in Canada on most bands except 30m.( bandwidth issues rather
> than speed)  It apparently has the ability to pass traffic to and from the
> internet from HF, using a sound card modem.

> So much software, so little time

> 73's John
> 
> VE5MU


Hi All
I will run my RFSM8000 mail server on 14109.5 from this message time
until 0300 utc with beam to short path USA - It will be running
in non-standard mode

Should you be able to hear it and connect to it you may like to send me
a reception report to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

You will need a test RADIOAMATEUR  licence from Dmitry which can be
obtained from Dmitry at

http://rfsm2400.radioscanner.ru/

> Current version is 0.525.
> 
> Attention! We invite all for receiving FREE trial callsign-based RADIOAMATEUR 
> license.
> For version 0.523 and above, anybody can send email([EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Subject: RFSM8000 trial) to us (with owned callsign),
> and we will send back trial RADIOAMATEUR license, which allows using of ALL 
> features of 
> RFSM-8000 (for testing purposes).
> Trial RADIOAMATEUR license is time-limited (trial period is 30 days), and 
> allows using 
> one pre-defined callsign.

You can send email to my mailbox (VK2DSG) on my server by sending the
email to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] -  the callsign -   VK2DSG   - MUST be
the first word in the Subject line of the email to be  delivered to
my email box on the server

If you can connect to the server (callsign  VK2DSG)  by radio -
a mailbox for YOUR callsign will be automatically generated
by the server - from then on you will then be able to receive email from
the internet and it will be placed in your Mailbox on the server for
collection by you at your leisure
(You cannot send emails to a callsign if a Mailbox in the name of that
callsign does not already exist on the server)

Hope to hear from someone
Regards
Les

[digitalradio] RFSM8000

[Les Keppie]

Merry Christmas to all from VK2DSG

> http://rfsm2400.radioscanner.ru/



«RFSM-2400»-project is transformed to new project - «RFSM-8000»

"RFSM-8000" by the "RFSM-IDE Group". What is it?
This is a shareware, sound card based, 'R'adio 'F'requency 'S'oftware 
'M'odem.
Its purpose: Simply connect two users over the ether and simple 
file/e-mail exchange.
Utilizing a HF/VHF/UHF transceiver and a PC with an available sound card.

Current version is 0.525.

Attention! We invite all for receiving FREE trial callsign-based 
RADIOAMATEUR license.
For version 0.523 and above, anybody can send email([EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: RFSM8000 trial) to us (with owned callsign),
and we will send back trial RADIOAMATEUR license, which allows using of 
ALL features of RFSM-8000 (for testing purposes).
Trial RADIOAMATEUR license is time-limited (trial period is 30 days), 
and allows using one pre-defined callsign.

And now, we start sales of 3 types of permanent licenses:
- FULL-FEATURED LICENSE (commercial, allows using ANY callsign) - price 
290 USD
- permanent FULL-FEATURED ACTIVATION KEY (for free trial RADIOAMATEUR 
license) - price 180 USD
- permanent MAIL-CLIENT ACTIVATION KEY (for free trial RADIOAMATEUR 
license) - price 60 USD
Full-featured license and full-featured activation key allows using of 
ALL features of RFSM-8000 without ANY limits.
Mail-client activation key allows using all features, except mail-server 
mode (mail-client ONLY).

Licenses and activation keys is text strings (in Base64), and must be 
entered in special menu "Enter license key...".

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats

[Les Warriner]

IMNSHO malicious interference, interference that prevents or 
interrupts a QSO on a frequency from any source is ILLEGAL by the 
existing rules. The fact that this rule is not being enforced should 
generate information to the FCC  on these interferences and requests 
to the same agency to clean it up. If I were operating on a frequency 
and one of these stations climbed on MY frequency (yes, I own it 
while operating on it legally) a report would go to the FCC the same 
day with time, frequency, and any identifying information on the 
interfering station. The squeaky wheel concept.


Again in MO, any station operating unattended and generating RF 
interfering signals should NEVER be allowed on Amateur 
frequencies.  If any persons/organizations wishes to operate in this 
fashion they should apply for licenses and frequency assignments that 
allow this type of operation. It certainly is more commercial than hobby.


73

Les

 At 01:36 PM 12/27/2007, you wrote:


+++ more AA6YQ comments below

--- In 
<mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com>digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, 
"Demetre SV1UY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

wrote:

>>>QRM from PMBOs and other deaf robots spoils the enjoyment of
amateur radio for many operators Demetre. That's why so many are
willing to do practically anything to make WinLink stop generating
QRM. Anti-radiation missiles tuned to PMBO frequencies were on a lot
of Christmas lists; "Ack *this*".

You see now why the PBMOs cannot install any DCD mechanism that
detects QRM and they leave the busy detection to be the responsibility
of the client? Because people like you would misuse such a mechanism
and the PMBOs would be rendered useless.

This is a VERY bad practice that you and your followers excercise and
hence you should have your license revoked for this action you just
admitted yourself.

+++Demetre, an anti-radiation missile is a weapon typically used to
destroy air-defense radars by locking onto their transmitter
frequency. "Anti-radiation missiles tuned to PMBO frequencies were on
a lot of Christmas lists" was a humorous way of pointing out that
PMBO QRM has generated widespread and massive frustration. Nowhere in
this message -- or any other message I have posted -- do I advocate
QRMing PMBOs. This sort of action would be as irreponsible as using
or operating a PMBO, and I have made that point here on several
occasions.

+++I have heard the argument that WinLink can't now apply busy-
frequency detectors because the amateur radio community is so angry
at them for years of QRM that operators would camp on PMBO
frequencies just to prevent them functioning. This argument is
completely bogus - just another rationalization for continuing to
generate QRM. While a few operators might QRM a few PMBOs for a few
days, the effect would be minimal. Even the most perverse human
operator won't sit at a station continuously just to QRM an automated
station. He or she will get bored and go bother someone more likely
to provide a reaction.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


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Re: [digitalradio] RE: RM11392

[Les Zavadil]

But the "client", unless co-located with the PMBO, cannot hear what the PMBO 
hears and the PMBO does not "listen" for non-Pactor transmissions before it 
transmits.  That is the problem.  Seems to me that this would be a relatively 
easy fix for the "technologically superior" Pactor advocates, but haven't seen 
any evidence of any effort to do so, just over the top alarmism about stifling 
innovation.  --  73  --  Les, W4FRA

  - Original Message - 
  From: radionut 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 16:26
  Subject: [digitalradio] RE: RM11392


  After reading all of the comments posted regarding this topic, it
  appears that it is a mini version of "regulation by bandwidth". It
  appears to me that it effectively would ban digital modes wider than
  1.5kHz from the lower 100kHz of HF bands.

  I agree that automatic operation is a problem, and this can only start
  from a PMBO or PMBO like system, however, a PMBO system does not
  transmit until it had been queried by a "client". This takes a PMBO
  out of the realm of unattended operation, even though it is automatic
  operation.

  I don't favor any petition whose effect would be to stifle innovation,
  and frankly, the digital modes are where amateur innovation is
  occurring. Not to say I don't support CW or Voice, but never to the
  exclusion of newer modes because of their signal characteristics.

  I have submitted a comment in opposition to this petition.

  Thanks for the time,
  Phil ..



   

[digitalradio] beacon running on 18106 dial - RFSM8000 non standard from 0930 utc

[Les Keppie]

beacon from vk2dsg

Re: [digitalradio] Re: 10 MHz Amateur Radio balloon to Cross the Atlantic

[Les Warriner]

We are supposedly adults and having passed the 
test, know the rules.  BUT:  There are always 
those who:  I am a member of NavyMarineCorpMARS 
and we have people who come out of the ham bands, 
well out and cannot be a mistake, and interfere 
with NMCM traffic and make what they think are 
wise remarks. Riley will have a job for some time to come.

At 09:12 AM 11/7/2007, you wrote:
>The FCC encourages self-policing.
>
>Rick N6RK
>
>Steinar Aanesland wrote:
> > and there is always a "FCC policeman" hiding in the bushes
> > la5vna Steinar
> >
> >
> > Brad skrev:
> >> Picky picky picky. So many naysayers around this group, it is a
> >> wonder anyone achieves anything new!
> >>
> >> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> >> , "jgorman01" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Looks to me like it should be operating on 28.20­28.30 MHz according
> >>> to 97.203d. Also, if the balloons path goes over the National Radio
> >>> Quiet Zone, 97.203(e)/97.3(a)(30) it looks like permission is
> >> supposed
> >>> to be obtained. Lastly, does foreign operation come into play and
> >> the
> >>> need for reciprocal licenses when the balloon reaches Europe?
> >>>
> >>> Jim
> >>> WA0LYK
> >>>
> >>> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> >> , "Rick Karlquist" 
> >> wrote:
>  Mark Thompson wrote:
> > - Forwarded Message 
> > From: John 
> > Sent: Monday, November 5, 2007 4:50:26 PM
> > Subject: Balloon Launch
> >
> >
> > 10 MHz Amateur Radio balloon to cross the Atlantic
> >
> >> The balloon payload will include a GPS unit and CPU that will
> >>> regulate
> > the balloon's altitude and send telemetry on 10.123 MHz in CW
> >> and RTTY
> > formats.
> >
> > The 10 MHz transmitter will run 3 watts output into a half wave
> >> dipole
> > hung below the balloon.
> >
>  FCC part 97.203d says that this frequency (10.123) is not
> >> authorized for
>  automatically controlled beacon stations. It is not clear that
>  this balloon is under any kind of manual control. I see that
> >> telemetry
>  is an OK 1 way transmission 97.111.b.7, but there is the question
> >> of
>  control.
> 
>  Maybe someone can educate me how this is legal.
> 
>  Rick N6RK
> 
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at
> > http://www.obriensweb.com/drsked/drsked.php
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>http://www.obriensweb.com/drsked/drsked.php
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[digitalradio] Re: JT65 / WSTJ / USB SignaLink

[Les]

Hi Brian

Your audio settings are now right, does your PTT LED light when
you try to transmit?

I found with mine I had to set the playback mixer Wave level
fairly high and to make the PTT more reliable I put the link
on JP4.

Les G3VYZ

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello again,
> 
> Yes, I did reset the settings.  I have the audio in set for 3 and the 
> audio out set to 7.  I have the PTT com port blank.  I now get a 
> display and a waterfall, but am not able to key up the TS-2000.
> 
> Any further suggestions?  
> 
> And, most grateful for your help!!!
> 
> 73 de KC9HEK
> Brian
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew O'Brien" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Did you try to change the requested input and output settings to 
> those that
> > match the USB audio codec ?
> >  Change the settings in "options" in the main WSJT area.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 10/28/07, Brian  wrote:
> > >
> > >   Hello Andy, thank you for getting back to me. Ok, I think I'm
> > > starting to get the idea. I can't cut and paste the text from the
> > > DOS window, but could certainly post a screen shot of it. But in
> > > summary here is what I've got:
> > >
> > > First I have an error reading wsjt.ini and continuuing with 
> defaults.
> > > Next I have a message ID Interval 10
> > > This sequence is repeated a second time.
> > >
> > > Then I have a message "Using PortAudio" followed by a table. I am
> > > not sure how this table will come accross in this message but 
> here is
> > > a try:
> > >
> > > Audio Device Input Output Name
> > > 0 2 0 Micorsoft Sound Mapper-Input
> > > 1 2 0 Realtec HD Audio Rear Input
> > > 2 1 0 Modem #2 Line Record
> > > 3 2 0 USB Audio Codec
> > > 4 0 2 Microsoft Sound Mapper Output
> > > 5 0 2 Realtec HD Audio rear output
> > > 6 0 1 Modem #2 Line Playback
> > > 7 0 2 USB Audio CODEC
> > >
> > > Default Input:0 Output:4
> > > Requested Input:0 Output:0
> > > Opening devise 0 for input, 4 for output.
> > > Audio streams running normally.
> > >
> > > I need to point out that the Realtec is the internal sound card 
> and
> > > the USB Audio Codec is the SignaLink sound card.
> > >
> > > I hope this will be able to help you point me in the right 
> direction.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > 73 de KC9HEK
> > > Brian
> > >
> > > --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com  40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "Andrew O'Brien"
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In the WSJT dos-type window that boots up, what do your device
> > > settings say
> > > > ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 10/28/07, Brian  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Good afternoon folks,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have recently downloaded the WSTJ software for use with 
> JT65. I
> > > > > have also read the very well done Bozo's Guide. (Thank you.) 
> That
> > > > > said, I am unable to get the software configured properly.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been running the more common digital modes for almost 
> two
> > > > > years. I rountinly uses MultiPSK and DM780 using my existing
> > > > > configuration. Basically, I have HRD deluxe connected to my 
> TS-
> > > 2000
> > > > > on Com Port 1. I have the SignaLink USB connected to the 13 
> pin
> > > Aux
> > > > > on the TS-2000. In both DM780 and MultiPSK the sound card
> > > inititates
> > > > > the transmit signal.
> > > > >
> > > > > In both of these other softwares, I can also choose which 
> sound
> > > card
> > > > > to use and have identified the SignaLink as the appropriate 
> sound
> > > > > card.
> > > > >
> > > > > When trying to get WSTJ to run, I have gone into my Audio
> > > Properties
> > > > > (Windows XP PRO) and have made the SignaLink my default sound 
> card
> > > > > with no success.
> > > > >
> > > > > I suspect my setup isn't all that uncommon and that I am 
> missing
> > > > > something very simple and obvious. If someone could help me 
> out,
> > > it
> > > > > would be most appreciated.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you in advance,
> > > > >
> > > > > 73 de KC9HEK
> > > > > Brian
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Andy K3UK
> > > > www.obriensweb.com
> > > > (QSL via N2RJ)
> > > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Andy K3UK
> > www.obriensweb.com
> > (QSL via N2RJ)
> >
>

[digitalradio] [Fwd: Beacon running]

[Les Keppie]

SHOULD HAVE SAID FREQ
14109.5 KHZ

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Hi All
I shall run my RFSM8000 beacon in non-standard
mode from 0645 utc for 2 hours
Email address in included in beacon
Les VK2DSG

[digitalradio] Beacon running

[Les Keppie]

Hi All
I shall run my RFSM8000 beacon in non-standard
mode from 0645 utc for 2 hours
Email address in included in beacon
Les VK2DSG

[digitalradio] Re: 30m 2.8KHz wide digital signal QRM

[Les]

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "John Becker, WØJAB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> not a thing here in the midwest of the US.
>
Hi John

You missed it as it switched of on the 24th but since then I 
have heard something on the same frequency using different modes.
I'm not sure if it's been heard as far as the US, it's certainly
been heard all over Europe.

The one currently on as I write this (13:41utc) is similar to OHR
which shows on a horizontal waterfall as a series of lines but at
10Hz spacing. It just switched off at 13:42utc I don't know when it
started as I have only been monitoring for half an hour.

My knowledge of digital modes is not great so I'm interested to
know what it is and who is using it, I suspect it's military. Using
a 1m loop I get a null to the south east of this location which is
a similar direction to the OHR with 50Hz line spacing that I usually
see and I believe originates from Cyprus.

Les G3VYZ

[digitalradio] Re: 30m 2.8KHz wide digital signal QRM

[Les]

Hi Alan

That does sound something similar, the signal switched off sometime
on the morning of the 24th when I was out of the house.

You may have seen my reply to Andy, but there was a signal on the
same frequency this morning using a different mode which switched
off at 08:03utc. Since then it's been very quiet on the band around
10.137 to 10.142MHz.

Les G3VYZ

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "merv0728" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Les, I listened yesterday as I said I would but heard nothing of 
> note except for some hash that was switching on & off at regular 
> intervals. I did a screen grab of the start of the tx, during the tx & 
> at the switch off.They are not much to look at,just horizontal shear,so 
> I will not post them with this message but if anyone does want them I 
> wil send them direct.
> 
> 73
> Alan G3VLQ
>

[digitalradio] Re: 30m 2.8KHz wide digital signal QRM

[Les]

Hi Andy

If you have a waterfall running vertically it would be a 30 sec
bar across the screen about 2.8KHz wide. If the two stations were
exchanging info there would be four 30 sec bars over a 2 minute
period followed by a 1 minute break to the next exchange.

The signal switched off sometime during the morning of the 24th.

This morning there was another digital signal on the same frequency
using a different mode, it switched off at 08:03utc and I've heard
nothing since.

Les G3VYZ

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew O'Brien"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Is this signal represented on a waterfall as three vertical lines,
equally
> spaced?
> 
> Andy K3UK
> 

[digitalradio] Re: 30m 2.8KHz wide digital signal QRM

[Les]

I don't know the source of this one Rich but thankfully the
transmissions stopped sometime before 13:00 UTC today after at 
least two days without a break.

I am now able to resume my activity on 30m without constant QRM.

Les G3VYZ

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 30m has some commercial and govt. junk on it on this side of the pond
> not to mention the bootlegger fishing boats.  Rich k2tft 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Sholto Fisher"  wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone record a minute or two for me to have a listen please?
> > 
> > Sholto KE7HPV.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Les" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 12:22 PM
> > Subject: [digitalradio] Re: 30m 2.8KHz wide digital signal QRM
> > 
> > 
> > Yes but the signal is only heard between 10137.450KHz and
> > 10140.200KHz. At the moment, 19:21UTC, I can only hear the strongest
> > station at S9 with a 30 second burst every three minutes.
> > 
> > Les
> > 
> > --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Rein Couperus  wrote:
> > >
> > > I have only heard the OTH radar for a few hours, but that was S8 and
> > 30 kHz wide...
> > > Did you tune the band?
> > >
> > > Fortunately 17m was open.
> > >
> > > Rein PA0R
> > >
> > > > -Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-
> > > > Von: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Gesendet: 23.10.07 17:13:50
> > > > An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Betreff: [digitalradio] 30m 2.8KHz wide digital signal QRM
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know who or what is responsible for the 2.8KHz wide
> > > > digital signal currently operating around 10137.450KHz. The
> > > > exchanges appear to take up to two minutes at a time and have a
> > > > minutes break between each exchange. It is making operating
between
> > > > 10137.450KHz and 10140.200KHz impossible for long periods of time.
> > > >
> > > > Les G3VYZ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > http://pa0r.blogspirit.com
> > >
> >
>

[digitalradio] Re: 30m 2.8KHz wide digital signal QRM

[Les]

Yes but the signal is only heard between 10137.450KHz and 
10140.200KHz. At the moment, 19:21UTC, I can only hear the strongest
station at S9 with a 30 second burst every three minutes.

Les

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Rein Couperus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have only heard the OTH radar for a few hours, but that was S8 and
30 kHz wide...
> Did you tune the band?
> 
> Fortunately 17m was open.
> 
> Rein PA0R
> 
> > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> > Von: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> > Gesendet: 23.10.07 17:13:50
> > An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: [digitalradio] 30m 2.8KHz wide digital signal QRM
> 
> 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > Does anyone know who or what is responsible for the 2.8KHz wide
> > digital signal currently operating around 10137.450KHz. The
> > exchanges appear to take up to two minutes at a time and have a
> > minutes break between each exchange. It is making operating between
> > 10137.450KHz and 10140.200KHz impossible for long periods of time.
> > 
> > Les G3VYZ
> > 
> >   
> >  
> > 
> 
> -- 
> http://pa0r.blogspirit.com
>

[digitalradio] Re: 30m 2.8KHz wide digital signal QRM

[Les]

Hi Alan, one transmission is very strong at this time, 19:11UTC,
the other responding station is much weaker. They are being heard
all around Europe at various times of the day but not sure where
else at the moment. I get the feeling that the transmissions are
24 hours a day.

Les 

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Tindal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Les, I can't say that I have heard any thing what you describe 
> throughout the day, at the moment (18:40) there is a lot of noise 
> around the frequences that you mention, one hell of a burst just 
> happened. I will keep an ear open tomorrow on the band & let you know 
> if I hear anything.
> 
> 73
> Alan G3VLQ
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Les" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 4:13 PM
> Subject: [digitalradio] 30m 2.8KHz wide digital signal QRM
> 
> 
> > Does anyone know who or what is responsible for the 2.8KHz wide
> > digital signal currently operating around 10137.450KHz. The
> > exchanges appear to take up to two minutes at a time and have a
> > minutes break between each exchange. It is making operating between
> > 10137.450KHz and 10140.200KHz impossible for long periods of time.
> >
> > Les G3VYZ
> >
> >
> >
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[digitalradio] 30m 2.8KHz wide digital signal QRM

[Les]

Does anyone know who or what is responsible for the 2.8KHz wide
digital signal currently operating around 10137.450KHz. The
exchanges appear to take up to two minutes at a time and have a
minutes break between each exchange. It is making operating between
10137.450KHz and 10140.200KHz impossible for long periods of time.

Les G3VYZ

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Need to Expand the HF Auto Band Segments

[Les Warriner]

What planet do you live on?  The CB'ers started a plan called REACT 
which proved to be an excellent program, is very much in use today, 
and to read their plan and the ARRL EMCOM course, it is difficult to 
tell the difference.  Best that you should line your ducks up before 
starting to shoot.


 At 08:57 AM 10/18/2007, you wrote:


Are you telling me that if US Amateurs didn't setup an "amateur
emmcom" then no-one would get a licence ? When was that introduced ? I
worked US amateurs long before this was thought of.

Anyway, even if it is the case, why should it be inflicted on the rest
of the amateur community?

This reminds me of the hoo-ha when the CB'ers started over here in the
70's, they setup an emergency group (can't remember what it was called
now), no-one asked them to do so & it was quite unnecessary, as far as
I know it was never used & died out when the CB'ers faded into
oblivion,but it made them feel important & wanted,poor things, flying
around on their motorbikes or cars with a sign on.

Alan G3VLQ


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Re: [digitalradio] New emcomm tool now available

[Les Warriner]

Naw, they'd never do that.  Maybe it is because they believe in the 
rule of being of assistance to their fellow man.  After more than 50 
years of emergency service, military, civilian, Amateur, etc., until 
you have walked in our footsteps, watch your insults.


 At 08:16 AM 10/18/2007, you wrote:


Another one harping on about "emergency services" !!!
I wonder if it is because they need to feel important ?
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:13 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] New emcomm tool now available

Software for the Narrow Band Emergency Messaging System (NBEMS), is 
now available for testing. This system maximizes the use of radio 
amateurs for providing emergency communications.


The system works with most soundcard-equipped computers and is 
completely contained on a "Live" CD (EMCpup), based on Puppy Linux 
(2.17), flarq (1.0) and fldigi (2.0), Every effort has been made to 
make the OS transparent to the user, so no Linux experience is 
required.  The system has been in development for the past year and 
can be downloaded and burned to a CD from: 
http://www.w1hkj.com/emcpup.html 
under the link to the CD image. The goal of the NBEMS is just to be 
able to bridge a widescale disaster area of up to 100 miles, without 
any reliance on a centralized repeater network, or mailboxes, and 
use as little space as possible.


NBEMS relies on the more traditional emergency message delivery and 
confirmation system (i.e. in person), by a receiving radio amateur, 
with message delivery by phone, Internet, cellphone SMS, or smoke 
signals, so urgent messages can never lie unnoticed in an email 
inbox. Since there ar e no automatically, or remotely controlled, 
transmissions used, the system can legally be used on any frequency 
where digital communications are allowed, but it is suggested to use 
a range of frequencies where PSK63 activity usually takes place, 
starting 2.5 KHz above the traditional PSK31 areas of operation on 
each band. Just 2.5 KHz of spectrum will be enough space for 25 
PSK63 NBEMS stations, so all stations within range, that are within 
the IF passband of the typical SSB receiver, will be visible 
simultaneously on the waterfall display. As a result, it is simple 
for the station in the disaster area to pick a clear frequency or 
QSY if requested.


PSK63 is fast enough for short messages, but if there are no 
immediately adjacent stations, and conditions permit, wider PSK125 
or PSK250 can be used for increased delivery speed of long messages, 
attachments, or even small color images. The operator in the 
disaster zone simply transmits a unique beacon signal (which contain 
s his callsign). When a station outside the disaster zone (also 
equipped with NBEMS) notices the beacon signal and replies, a green 
diamond at each station will indicate when the two stations are 
connected, and the station callsigns will be displayed 
automatically. A beaconing station is easily identified by a unique 
appearance of its signal on the waterfall as a series of "bursts".


Two meters, where there is little QSB compared to HF, is recommended 
as the band of choice for normal emergency messaging in which a 100 
mile range with small, portable, horizontally polarized, antennas is 
sufficient.  In mountainous regions, or over longer distances, using 
larger NVIS antennas on HF can also be used, but sometimes with an 
increased delivery time due to additional automatic repeat requests. 
In either case, using VHF or NVIS HF, once a signal is discernable 
above the noise it will generally stay that way during the 
communication, so that multi-tone, weaker signal modes (which are 
wider and take up much more space), are not needed to fight QSB.


Note that this is *not* an FM system, but a SSB system (for 
increased range) modulated by digital audio, and the convention for 
2m SSB use is upper sideband with horizontally polarized antennas, 
not vertical antennas.


Regular keyboard-to-keyboard, non-emergency communications, where 
error-free messaging is not essential, can be conducted with the 
same software using PSK63 or PSK31 - without using flarq. Many other 
keyboard-to-keyboard digital modes are also included with fldigi, as 
well as a logging program, rig control program, and a geodetic computer.


To activate the NBEMS, the user simply inserts the NBEMS CD in his 
computer, reboots, and follows the instructions under the Emcomm desktop icon.


Please give this system a try, encourage others to do so, and send 
any comments or questions to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

& nbsp;
73,

NBEMS Development Team
KH6TY, Skip and W1HKJ, Dave


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Re: [digitalradio] Only using wide digital modes

[Les Warriner]

Your statement was that you would increase power to interfere with 
him/her deliberately.


At 09:36 AM 10/14/2007, you wrote:


Les Warriner wrote:
>
> And is strictly illegal by Part 97. 5 KW linears are available.
> Want the address? No wonder why Hollingsworth spends so much time in
> California.

It is illegal to start on low power and increase the power to maintain a
contact on what was a clear channel at the beginning of the QSO? Do you
have a cite for that proposition? I would love to see it.

de Roger W6VZV


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Re: [digitalradio] Only using wide digital modes

[Les Warriner]

And is strictly illegal by Part 97.  5 KW linears are 
available.  Want the address?  No wonder why Hollingsworth spends so 
much time in California.




At 08:32 AM 10/14/2007, you wrote:


Rick wrote:
>
> Demetre,
>
> What you are recommending is completely unacceptable to 99.9% of all
> hams.
>
> Many of us operate various digital modes, both narrow and wide and in
> between. In the U.S., the text digital sub bands are anything that
> is not the voice/image sub bands.

People have been suggesting for years that a small area be designated
for automated digital (Pactor, in other words). The Pactor guys have
refused. THEY are the ones who insist that wherever digital can go,
Pactor can go. The only solution is to do what I do--if a Pactor signal
comes on freq, up the power until he has to stop. It works. (New
linear coming soon solely for this purpose).

de Roger W6VZV


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Re: [digitalradio] RFSM8000

[Les Keppie]

Hi All
I will be sending a beacon transmission every 10 mins
for the next two hours (till 0415 utc) using non
standard modulation on 14109.5 khz - with beam at USA/VE
Hope someone may hear it - maybe a bit too hopeful hi
Regards
Les VK2DSG

John Bradley wrote:
> Tnx fer the note, Howard
> 
>  
> 
> Over the next week or so ,we should have VE5GPM up and running 24/7 on RFSM
> 8000, not beaconing, but ready to receive calls and transfer files.
> 
>  
> 
> VE5TLW and I will be working on learning the software and making a little
> noise with same. I think we will find an alternate frequency to play on
> since
> 
> 14109.5 is busy with ALE soundings ,and will let you know what it is.
> 
>  
> 
> To that end would welcome input from the US ham community since this is a
> more critical issue south of the border than here.
> 
>  
> 
> I THINK that you are able to use the non-standard modulation which is 2.4khz
> wide , as opposed to the Mil Std 188 which is 3khz wide.  You should be able
> to copy any packets in the Packet window.  
> 
>  
> 
> Again , get some opinions from others in the US as to whether this is legal
> , and where in the US band plan it could be used.  At first blush , it
> certainly has some promise.
> 
>  
> 
> John
> 
> VE5MU

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE , J65, Pactor 1 thru ?, etc.

[Les Warriner]

Lots of words, no intelligence for those of us struggling with the programs.

At 04:14 PM 10/3/2007, you wrote:

On 10/3/07, Les Warriner 
<<mailto:leswa7ham%40earthlink.net>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
> Certainly an education and informative exchange? How about some 
informatgion instead? Moderator?

>

You rang, Sir ?

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Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE , J65, Pactor 1 thru ?, etc.

[Les Warriner]

Certainly an education and informative exchange?  How about some 
informatgion instead?  Moderator?


At 02:41 PM 10/3/2007, you wrote:


>>>AA6YQ comments below

--- In 
digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, 
John Bradley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

wrote:
>snip<

By your own admission, your operating experience with digital modes
has not progressed beyond PSK31.

>>>What arrogance. So the VE5MU figure of merit ranks PSK31 at the
bottom? How then do you explain the complete lack of broadscale
adoption of digital modes other than PSK31 or RTTY? Given the wide
array of free soundcard software available, there is zero switching
cost; hams are naturally inquisitive, and can easily download any of
several free soundcard applications to run Olivia, Dominio, ALE, or
whatever new flavor of the month that Patrick F6CTE has concocted.
The development of new modulation techniques and protocols is useful
and important, and may some day bear fruit. But so far, no one has
developed a protocol sufficiently better than PSK or RTTY to
instigate any significant migration. Might these new modes be better
than PSK or RTTY in one or two interesting dimensions; sure, but then
they're either too difficult to tune, or consume too much spectrum,
or don't work unless the SNR is unrealisticly good. I and many others
who have listened to MFSK, MT-63, Throb, and Hell QSOs found no
reason to go further. Like anyone else, hams vote with their feet.

I challenge you to try some of these new modes, and I and others would
welcome your opinion of these new technologies.

>>>I have, and just did.

At the same time would encourage you to put some of your considerable
technical ability into developing busy frequency software In
cooperation with one of the authors, rather than simply complaining
about it at every opportunity.

>>>I have no interest in operating an automatic station, or
connecting to an automated station to send messages. If others want
to do this, that's fine as long as they follow the rule of common
amateur courtesy and ensure that their equipment never transmits on
already-occupied frequency. My "to do" list is full of wonderful
suggestions from the DXLab community; that's where I'll be spending
my time.

>>>When the "WinLink doesn't listen before transmitting" issue first
exploded, I signed up Peter G3PLX and Bob N4HY to work with me on
developing and implementing a new shared-channel message-passing HF
protocol with busy frequency detection that WinLink could use instead
of Pactor 3; Bob presented our thinking at a DCC a few years back,
but the WinLink folks made it very clear that they would never move
to anything not of their own design. Too bad, because Peter had some
promising ideas for error detection/correction, and Bob was chomping
at the bit to employ trellis coding. I then spent some time on the
phone with Rick KN6KB, encouraging him to add busy detection to
SCAMP. At the time, Rick feared that anything less than perfect
performance would be unacceptable, but I helped persuade him that an
80-20 solution would be an immense step forward. His first-cut
implementation performed far better than either of us expected.

>>>My postings here are not complaints. They are rebuttals to bogus
technical statements you and others continually make here in
painfully transparent attempts to rationalize the use of unattended
automated stations when such stations clearly violate a fundemental
tenet of amateur radio: no one owns a frequency. These posts aren't
targeted at you or your friends, John; that'd be a waste of time.
They're aimed at newer hams who might not yet see your position for
what it really is: a callous disregard for operators using modes that
you consider unimportant.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


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Re: [digitalradio] RFSM8000

[Les Keppie]

Howard Brown wrote:
> Hearing good RFSM signals in North Texas this morning. Not able to 
> decode beacons with the older version.
> 
> Also hearing lots of ALE and Pactor3 signals here.
> 
> Howard K5HB
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: John Bradley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2007 10:36:15 AM
> Subject: [digitalradio] RFSM8000

Hi Howard

RFSM8000 is backward compatable with RFSM2400 and
providing you have the modulation set correctly to
non-standard .3 to 2.7 khz you should decode the
Beacon packets - check to see if the signal has a
TX carrier freq of 1500 hz for non standard mode

Or maybe the transmitting station is in Mil Standard which
has a TX carrier freq of 1800hz

The latest Freeware version can be downloaded from

Home page > http://rfsm2400.radioscanner.ru/
Download link > http://rfsm2400.radioscanner.ru/download/rfsm2400_v0498.zip

Regards
Les VK2DSG

[digitalradio] Re: Absolute best case transfer - NON STANDARD MODE - Bandwidth .3 to 2.7 khz

[Les Keppie]

Hi Robert
Sorry about delay - lost some mail due change of server
had to go to digitalradio group to find this email of yours
Will see if I can do this - may take a few  days
Regards
Les

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Thompson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Can you repeat the test with the same setup and S/N of, say,  -5, 0,
> +10 dB? It would be interesting to know how the mode degrades.
> 
> 
> On 9/29/07, Les Keppie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi All
> > Here are the figures for a file transfer done
> > from  TEST1 to VK2DSG  on the same computer and
> > using the same radio so we have absolute max S/N ratioup to 31 db
> >
> > Regards
> > Les VK2DSG
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Regards, Robert Thompson
>

[digitalradio] See previous post

[Les Keppie]

Hi All
Sorry - forgot to put this bit in
de les




'TEST1' complete current part of file, new part: 2 - 30/09/2007 - 1:34:59 PM
File 'AERO 101.JPG' received succesfully, all time 495 sec, average 
speed 4123 bits/sec - 30/09/2007 - 1:35:50 PM
Disconnected from 'TEST1' - 30/09/2007 - 1:36:06 PM

[digitalradio] Absolute best case transfer - NON STANDARD MODE - Bandwidth .3 to 2.7 khz

[Les Keppie]

Hi All
Here are the figures for a file transfer done
from  TEST1 to VK2DSG  on the same computer and
using the same radio so we have absolute max S/N ratioup to 31 db

Regards
Les VK2DSG


VK2DSG

> Connecting to 'TEST1'... - 30/09/2007 - 1:26:19 PM
> Connected to 'TEST1'. - 30/09/2007 - 1:26:26 PM
> RFSM-8000, version 0.508, user license: BETA-TESTER - 30/09/2007 - 1:26:26 PM
> Maximum supported connection speed - 8000 bit/sec - 30/09/2007 - 1:26:26 PM
> 'TEST1' accept FTP-requests. - 30/09/2007 - 1:26:34 PM
> 'TEST1' accept MAIL-requests. - 30/09/2007 - 1:26:34 PM
> Receiving file 'AERO 101.JPG', size 255305 bytes, from 'TEST1'... - 
> 30/09/2007 - 1:27:16 PM
> 'TEST1' complete current part of file, new part: 2 - 30/09/2007 - 1:34:59 PM


> Receive block, mode  long, S/N: 25 (23/27) - 30/09/2007 - 1:28:16 PM
> All packs: 597, good info: 596, good arq: 0 / 0, bad packs: 0.
> 
> Transeive block, mode 2000 long - 30/09/2007 - 1:28:17 PM
> Sended 17 packets
> 
> Receive block, mode  long, S/N: 25 (23/26) - 30/09/2007 - 1:29:21 PM
> All packs: 597, good info: 596, good arq: 0 / 0, bad packs: 0.
> 
> Transeive block, mode 2000 long - 30/09/2007 - 1:29:22 PM
> Sended 17 packets
> 
> Receive block, mode  long, S/N: 25 (23/26) - 30/09/2007 - 1:30:26 PM
> All packs: 597, good info: 596, good arq: 0 / 0, bad packs: 0.
> 
> Transeive block, mode 2000 long - 30/09/2007 - 1:30:27 PM
> Sended 17 packets
> 
> Receive block, mode  long, S/N: 25 (23/26) - 30/09/2007 - 1:31:30 PM
> All packs: 597, good info: 596, good arq: 0 / 0, bad packs: 0.
> 
> Transeive block, mode 2000 long - 30/09/2007 - 1:31:31 PM
> Sended 17 packets
> 
> Receive block, mode  long, S/N: 25 (23/26) - 30/09/2007 - 1:32:35 PM
> All packs: 597, good info: 596, good arq: 0 / 0, bad packs: 0.
> 
> Transeive block, mode 2000 long - 30/09/2007 - 1:32:36 PM
> Sended 17 packets
> 
> Receive block, mode  long, S/N: 24 (23/26) - 30/09/2007 - 1:33:39 PM
> All packs: 597, good info: 596, good arq: 0 / 0, bad packs: 0.
> 
> Transeive block, mode 2000 long - 30/09/2007 - 1:33:40 PM
> Sended 17 packets
> 
> Receive block, mode  long, S/N: 25 (23/27) - 30/09/2007 - 1:34:38 PM
> All packs: 521, good info: 520, good arq: 0 / 0, bad packs: 0.
> 
> Transeive block, mode 2000 long - 30/09/2007 - 1:34:39 PM
> Sended 15 packets
> 
> Receive block, mode 500 long, S/N: 33 (32/33) - 30/09/2007 - 1:34:59 PM
> All packs: 5, good info: 0, good arq: 0 / 0, bad packs: 0.
> 
> Transeive block, mode 500 long - 30/09/2007 - 1:35:00 PM
> Sended 5 packets
> 
> Receive block, mode  long, S/N: 24 (23/26) - 30/09/2007 - 1:35:36 PM
> All packs: 233, good info: 232, good arq: 0 / 0, bad packs: 0.
> 
> Transeive block, mode 1000 long - 30/09/2007 - 1:35:37 PM
> Sended 7 packets

  > Program started. - 30/09/2007 - 1:22:19 PM
> 'TEST1' accept connection - 30/09/2007 - 1:26:26 PM
> From 'TEST1' to 'VK2DSG': - 30/09/2007 - 1:26:34 PM
> Channel status packet, S/N: 32 dB - 30/09/2007 - 1:26:34 PM
> From 'TEST1' to 'VK2DSG': - 30/09/2007 - 1:26:43 PM
> Channel status packet, S/N: 33 dB - 30/09/2007 - 1:26:43 PM
> From 'TEST1' to 'VK2DSG': - 30/09/2007 - 1:26:51 PM
> Channel status packet, S/N: 34 dB - 30/09/2007 - 1:26:51 PM
> From 'TEST1' to 'VK2DSG': - 30/09/2007 - 1:26:59 PM
> Channel status packet, S/N: 33 dB - 30/09/2007 - 1:26:59 PM
> From 'TEST1' to 'VK2DSG': - 30/09/2007 - 1:27:07 PM
> Channel status packet, S/N: 32 dB - 30/09/2007 - 1:27:07 PM
> From 'TEST1' to 'VK2DSG': - 30/09/2007 - 1:27:15 PM
> Channel status packet, S/N: 33 dB - 30/09/2007 - 1:27:15 PM
> Request transfer file 'AERO 101.JPG', size 255305 bytes - 30/09/2007 - 
> 1:27:16 PM
> From 'TEST1' to 'VK2DSG': - 30/09/2007 - 1:27:35 PM
> Channel status packet, S/N: 33 dB - 30/09/2007 - 1:27:35 PM
> Info packet(s), mode  long - 30/09/2007 - 1:27:35 PM
> From 'TEST1' to 'VK2DSG': - 30/09/2007 - 1:28:40 PM
> Channel status packet, S/N: 31 dB - 30/09/2007 - 1:28:40 PM
> Info packet(s), mode  long - 30/09/2007 - 1:28:40 PM
> From 'TEST1' to 'VK2DSG': - 30/09/2007 - 1:29:44 PM
> Channel status packet, S/N: 31 dB - 30/09/2007 - 1:29:44 PM
> Info packet(s), mode  long - 30/09/2007 - 1:29:44 PM
> From 'TEST1' to 'VK2DSG': - 30/09/2007 - 1:30:49 PM
> Channel status packet, S/N: 31 dB - 30/09/2007 - 1:30:49 PM
> Info packet(s), mode  long - 30/09/2007 - 1:30:49 PM
> From 'TEST1' to 'VK2DSG': - 30/09/2007 - 1:31:53 

Re: [digitalradio] RFSM2400 vs. PC-ALE

[Les Keppie]

Howard Brown wrote:
> Les, can you comment on Rick's question about PTT via CAT?
> 
> I know that RFSM2400 keys my PTT via my Rigblaster but I 
> guess Rick wants it to key the rig via the data port???
> 
> Howard K5HB
> 
Some Kenwood models already catered for - and there is a user defined 
setup for other radios
Dmitry does not have the various parameters for keying Yaesu and Icom
radios at this time but I am very certain if someone were to send him 
this information he would soon put it in the current program
In an earlier email I did ask if anyone could send him the information 
for both Yaesu and Icom radios he would put it in the program for
Ptt on and off

This is an evolving program and to quote him from the webpage

 >Current version is 0.508(beta). (In reference to RFSM8000)

 >Program is not available for all yet, but will be very soon – in 
October/November 2007.

 >We will respectfully accept any suggestions about new features from 
all >(e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]).

I do think this program will be quite a good rival for Pactor 3
in the registered form - and also a good addition to anyones
data capabilities in the Freeware form

Les VK2DSG


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Re: [digitalradio] RFSM2400 vs. PC-ALE

[Les Keppie]

ble that speed but do require ISB I think and 
> that will not be used on HF amateur radio bands. 

The fastest speed avail to registered users - using the
non standard mode  (.3 TO 2.7 KHZ will be  bits per second and for 
those that can use the .3 to 3.3 khz version will be 8000 bits per second

Again, maybe we need to
> change the terminology to the appropriate MIL-STD or STANAG such as we 
> do with Multipsk calling the slow speed 8FSK125 waveform 141A?
> 
> 73,
> 
> Rick, KV9U
> 

COPIED FROM THE SITE
http://rfsm2400.radioscanner.ru/

> 1. Capabilities of «RFSM-8000» (and will be more...)
> 
> - backward compatibility with «RFSM-2400»;
> - More speed – up to 8000 bps (for registered users ONLY);
> - No limits on size of transfered files (for registered users ONLY);
> - Transmitter control over CI-V interface;
> - Broadcast chat (without connection) (for registered users ONLY);
> - Logarithmic spectroscop view;
> - "Waterfall" (colored/grayed) view (for registered users ONLY).
> 
> And all features from «RFSM-2400» (available without registration):
> - user chat (keyboard to keyboard);
> - download a file from the remote users DOWNLOAD directory;
> - upload a file to the remote users UPLOAD directory;
> - read and display the remote users DOWNLOAD directory;
> - change to a sub-directory in the remote users DOWNLOAD directory;
> - operates as mail-server/mail-client, i.e. read mail-box, get mail, send 
> mail, 
> - delete mail;
> - operation as a timed "beacon";
> - operate as a simple local HTTP proxy (for access to the Internet). 


Regards Les


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[Fwd: [Fwd: Re: [digitalradio] RFSM8000]]

[Les Keppie]

09/2007 - 1:12:50 PM
Sended 44 packets

Receive block, mode 500 long, S/N: 8 (5/11) - 28/09/2007 - 1:13:49 PM
All packs: 3, good info: 0, good arq: 2 / 42, bad packs: 0.

Transeive block, mode 4000 long - 28/09/2007 - 1:13:51 PM
Sended 358 packets

Receive block, mode 1000 long, S/N: 10 (8/12) - 28/09/2007 - 1:14:52 PM
All packs: 10, good info: 0, good arq: 9 / 346, bad packs: 0.

Transeive block, mode 2666 long - 28/09/2007 - 1:14:54 PM
Sended 236 packets

Receive block, mode 1000 long, S/N: 6 (5/7) - 28/09/2007 - 1:15:53 PM
All packs: 8, good info: 0, good arq: 7 / 243, bad packs: 0.

Transeive block, mode 4000 long - 28/09/2007 - 1:15:55 PM
Sended 308 packets

Receive block, mode 1000 long, S/N: 11 (10/13) - 28/09/2007 - 1:16:50 PM
All packs: 10, good info: 0, good arq: 8 / 302, bad packs: 0.

Transeive block, mode 4000 short - 28/09/2007 - 1:16:51 PM
Sended 7 packets

Receive block, mode 500 long, S/N: 11 (10/12) - 28/09/2007 - 1:17:05 PM
All packs: 5, good info: 0, good arq: 1 / 9, bad packs: 0.

Transeive block, mode 500 long - 28/09/2007 - 1:17:05 PM
Sended 5 packets

Receive block, mode 500 long, S/N: 11 (10/14) - 28/09/2007 - 1:17:25 PM
All packs: 5, good info: 0, good arq: 0 / 0, bad packs: 0.

Transeive block, mode 5333 long - 28/09/2007 - 1:17:27 PM
Sended 478 packets

Receive block, mode 2000 long, S/N: 14 (13/15) - 28/09/2007 - 1:18:27 PM
All packs: 12, good info: 0, good arq: 9 / 316, bad packs: 0.

Transeive block, mode 4000 long - 28/09/2007 - 1:18:29 PM
Sended 358 packets

Receive block, mode 2000 long, S/N: 14 (14/15) - 28/09/2007 - 1:19:30 PM
All packs: 11, good info: 0, good arq: 10 / 370, bad packs: 0.

Transeive block, mode 4000 long - 28/09/2007 - 1:19:31 PM
Sended 191 packets

Receive block, mode 1000 long, S/N: 16 (16/17) - 28/09/2007 - 1:20:11 PM
All packs: 7, good info: 0, good arq: 6 / 205, bad packs: 0.




Rick wrote:
> Les,
> 
> What do you see as the advantages of RFSM2400 over the 8PSK2400 baud 
> STANAG modems that we have been talking about recently (along with 
> RFMS2400)?

Rick - try it and see for yourselfLes
> 
> The only comment that I have heard so far is that it requires a good 
> signal to work. Athough hams can not use these modes here in the U.S. on 
> the text data portions of the bands, they can use them on the 
> voice/image portions if they are sending images or fax. Curiously, I 
> have heard no experiences with SSTV or other image operators using these 
> modes.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Rick, KV9U
> 
> 
> 
> Les Keppie wrote:
>> Hi All
>> Maybe some of you Digital Data movers would
>> like to look here
>> Les
>>
>>
>> http://rfsm2400.radioscanner.ru/
>>
>>

[digitalradio] RFSM8000

[Les Keppie]

Hi All
Maybe some of you Digital Data movers would
like to look here
Les


http://rfsm2400.radioscanner.ru/

Re: [digitalradio] EasyPal New Version 21/sep/07

[Les Keppie]

Probbly because that file is no longer there
  just go to the KC1CS site - then the digital page and download the 
latest version there
de les



. wrote:
> Andrew;
> 
> The URL does not work. 
> 
> 73
> 
> Omar YK1AO
> 
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Andrew O'Brien 
>   To: DIGITALRADIO 
>   Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:11 PM
>   Subject: [digitalradio] EasyPal New Version 21/sep/07
> 
> 
>   New Vwersion EasyPal
>   http://www.kc1cs.com/EasyPal-21-SEP-07.zip
> 
> 
>

[digitalradio] [Fwd: [Fwd: Re[2]: RFSM-8000]]

[Les Keppie]

I might try this again since I didnt see it come out on the group last time
Les vk2dsg

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From: Dmitry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi, Les.

Please, help me.
I have not information about control commands for transceivers "Yaesu".
If you can give me this information, I will make support for they.

Best regards, Dmitry.


Hi All
Dmitry - one of the authors of RFSM2400/RFSM8000 needs opcodes for Ptt
on and Ptt off for all capable Yaesu transceivers and probably Kenwood
and Icom transceivers as well

If he can get them he will incorporate these functions in RFSM8000

> http://rfsm2400.radioscanner.ru/

You can visit the above site for information on the program

If you can help with the opcodes can you please email them
direct to Dmitry at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Many thanks in advance
Regards
Les VK2DSG







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[digitalradio] [Fwd: Re[2]: RFSM-8000]

[Les Keppie]

 Original Message 
From: - Tue Sep 18 08:38:18 2007

From: Dmitry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi, Les.

Please, help me.
I have not information about control commands for transceivers "Yaesu".
If you can give me this information, I will make support for they.

Best regards, Dmitry.


Hi All
Dmitry - one of the authors of RFSM2400/RFSM8000 needs opcodes for Ptt 
on and Ptt off for all capable Yaesu transceivers and probably Kenwood 
and Icom transceivers as well

If he can get them he will incorporate these functions in RFSM8000

> http://rfsm2400.radioscanner.ru/

You can visit the above site for information on the program

If you can help with the opcodes can you please email them
direct to Dmitry at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Many thanks in advance
Regards
Les VK2DSG






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Re: [digitalradio] Unidentified signal

[Les Warriner]

That is a USAF MARS frequency.

At 04:22 PM 5/15/2007, you wrote:


Anyone else hearing the digital-sounding signal on 13985.5 USB?. S5 here...

--
Andy K3UK
Skype Me : callto://andyobrien73
www.obriensweb.com

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RFSM2400 in ZL

[Les Keppie]

Hi from Les VK2DSG
Would also like to make known that on 80m the vk digital
section of the band is 3620 to 3640 - 3.6375 is used by
a number of people using and debugging Easy_pal which is  new (DRM)
programme being written by Erik VK4AES - this programme can be used
for picture transfer - file transfer - text transfer etc - and is hoped
when it is finished will do the same and more as the HAMPAL  programme 
now does - you can download the Easy_pal Lite programme from the KC1CS 
site - just put KC1CS  in Google and look for the download file
Hope this info helps
de les vk2dsg


Dave Ingram wrote:
> zl1tbg wrote:
>> Dave, 3580 usb is what I would normally use. Also the digital modes
>> guys gather at 3560 friday evenings there will be dominoEX there.
>> Most of my testing has been on the AREC 5 mHz as we have a clear
>> channel there and its the area where most emergency traffic will be.
>> i havent thought of a 40m freq. if you have a suitable spot let me
>> know. I'm starting a 4 day weekend now so could be around.
> 
> 
> Hi Ralph,
> 
> 5MHz is still out of bounds here. WICEN have some commercial frequencies that
> can only be used with type approved equipment and ham calls are banned.
> 
> I tend to stick to 40m+ because I use a buddipole antenna, and don't have the
> 80m coil for it.
> 
> There is a common-ish data frequency on 7035, so narrow modes could go there.
> Not too sure on the full width modes, but someone else might be able to offer
> a suggestion for region 3. The VK & ZL band plans have 7030-7040 as Digi (less
> than 6kHz BW), but I think that is a little crowded.
> 
> 7080-7100 is used for RTTY, so I'm hoping there is some room for other modes
> too. Staying under 7100 would allow Japan and other R3 countries that don't
> have 7100-7300 to play as well.
> 
> How about 7082 USB for RFSM2400 and 7085 for DominoEX? I might have an
> opportunity to play on Monday (day off). Feel free to contact me off list to
> arrange something (best replace 'bulk' with 'dave' on my email address).
> 
> If anyone disagrees with the frequencies nominated, please shout. Bands in VK
> and ZL are reasonably quiet, so if this is going to jump on top of something
> else I'd like to know.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Dave.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RFSM2400 in ZL]

[Les Keppie]

Hi from Les VK2DSG
You will not make any friends using wide RFSM   transmissions
down at 7030 to 7040 or even anywhere below 7100 even though
the bandplan says transmissions up to 2khz may be used

7040 to 7100 is the prime operating area for ssb DX and local
ragchew operations
I would suggest that using frequencies as described below
would be more suitable - currently in VK  we use 7183lsb for
Hampal  (DRM) Repeater operations and also 7196 usb for
  both RFSM 2400 and DRM picture and file transfer



The New Suggested Australian bandplan for 40m band is as follows

New Draft Australian 40M Band Plan

The WIA has developed a new draft band plan for the 40m (7 MHz) amateur 
band.

The new plan is designed to

 * encourage activity above 7100 kHz;
 * stimulate experimentation in wideband digital modes; and
 * integrate, as far as is possible, with the IARU region 3 plan, 
and the plans of other countries.

No existing nets will be affected by the plan.

The underpinning philosophy of the plan is to define band usage in terms 
of necessary bandwidth, rather than by mode. However, it is recognised 
that some modes are incompatible, such as analogue voice and data. 
Accordingly, these modes are each assigned their own sections in the plan.

Features of the new plan include:

 * A new broadcast segment from 7130-7150 kHz. This will provide a 
defined area for weekly broadcasts.

 * A new wideband data modes segment from 7180-7250 kHz, which is 
further sub divided into unattended/automated and attended segments. The 
subdivision serves to prevent interference between automated and 
non-automated stations.

 * Redefinition of the CW segment (7-7030 kHz) to a narrow band 
modes segment with a maximum necessary bandwidth of 200 Hz. This means, 
in effect, that the previously exclusive CW segment will be shared with 
PSK31 and other very narrow band data modes.

The change to the previously exclusive CW segment is in accordance with 
evolving international practice. It is worth noting that the ZL 40m band 
plan has had a CW/PSK sharing arrangement in place for some time. 
Moreover, CW/PSK sharing is proposed under the new US 40m band plan.

The new draft 40m band plan is detailed as follows:

SEGMENT
(kHz)


USE

7000-7030  Very narrow band modes (maximum necessary b/w 200 Hz)

7030-7040  Narrow band digital (maximum necessary b/w 2 kHz)

7040-7180  Analogue telephony (maximum necessary b/w 8 kHz as per the LCD)

7130-7150  Broadcast sub-segment

7180-7190  Wideband digital, unattended (maximum necessary b/w 8 kHz as 
per the LCD)

7190-7250  Wideband digital (maximum necessary b/w 8 kHz as per the LCD)

7250-7300  Analogue telephony (maximum necessary b/w 8 kHz as per the LCD)



Obviously, the current levels of broadcast station interference above 
7100 kHz will mean that some degree of flexibility is required in use of 
the new band plan.
The plan is designed to be fully implemented once 7100-7200 kHz reverts 
to amateur primary use in 2009.
The plan is open for comment for the next four months. The comment 
period closes on April 30, 2006.

Please send any comments to [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Regards Les VK2DSG


Hi Ralph,

5MHz is still out of bounds here. WICEN have some commercial frequencies 
that
can only be used with type approved equipment and ham calls are banned.

I tend to stick to 40m+ because I use a buddipole antenna, and don't 
have the
80m coil for it.

There is a common-ish data frequency on 7035, so narrow modes could go 
there.
Not too sure on the full width modes, but someone else might be able to 
offer
a suggestion for region 3. The VK & ZL band plans have 7030-7040 as Digi 
(less
than 6kHz BW), but I think that is a little crowded.

7080-7100 is used for RTTY, so I'm hoping there is some room for other modes
too. Staying under 7100 would allow Japan and other R3 countries that don't
have 7100-7300 to play as well.

How about 7082 USB for RFSM2400 and 7085 for DominoEX? I might have an
opportunity to play on Monday (day off). Feel free to contact me off list to
arrange something (best replace 'bulk' with 'dave' on my email address).

If anyone disagrees with the frequencies nominated, please shout. Bands 
in VK
and ZL are reasonably quiet, so if this is going to jump on top of something
else I'd like to know.


Cheers,
Dave.
-- 
David Ingram (VK4TDI)
Real email: dave at ingramtech dot com
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
http://www.ingramtech.com/
MGRS: 56J MQ 991583Grid Square: QG62lm


zl1tbg wrote:
 > Dave, 3580 usb is what I would normally use. Also the digital modes
 > guys gather at 3560 friday evenings there will be dominoEX there.
 > Most of my testing has been on the AREC 5 mHz as we have a clear
 > channel there and its the area where most emergency traffic will be.
 > i havent thought of a 40m freq. if you have a suitable spot let me
 > know. I'm starting a 4 day weekend now so could be around.

Re: [digitalradio] Global Standard Re: 141A

[Les Warriner]

Look at the new Linux OS:
http://www.consumerfaffairs.com/news04/2007/ubuntu_review.html

There may be light at the end of the tunnel after all

At 05:14 PM 5/6/2007, you wrote:


> Is this app operating system neutral or is
> it dependent on a single OS?
> Thanks! & 73, doc, KD4E

Hi Doc,

141 ALE is completely "OS neutral".
It is a US federal standard.

Over the past 5 years, it has become the defacto "universal" global
standard for HF connectivity for voice and/or data communications.
Until recently, only about a thousand hams had 141 ALE capability.

ALE (-144) is currently implemented in many different "operating
systems" such as:

1) Hardware (no external computer required) embedded in transceivers
such as Icom IC-F7000, Vertex VX-1700, Micom, Harris, Rockwell, R&S,
Codan, etc. etc.
2) Software (PCALE, MULTIPSK, or MARS-ALE) running on computers
interfaced to ham or commercial transceivers.
3) External ALE hardware controllers interfaced to HF commercial or
mil transceivers.

More information, click here: http://hflink.com

Bonnie KQ6XA

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Off-topic, but any help appreciated

[Les Warriner]

You are correct and you do not have to deal with people in India to 
get help.  There is a book out, "The world is flat", that very well 
explains what is going on in the hi-tech companies.


At 10:51 AM 4/28/2007, you wrote:

>Hi Dave:
>I have no lost love for Gateway. but even worst yet is Dell..  if 
>you check on the computer you will find that Dell has one of the 
>worst customer service there is..
>The only good way to get around this is to build it yourself.. Check 
>out Newegg or tigerdirect (newegg 1st choice) Tigerdirect is ok IF 
>it doesnt' involve a rebate ( chances are poor that you would ever 
>get it).. AND building them is not that hard!!  AND its just down right FUN!!
>
>Garrett / AA0OI
>[]
>
>
>
>- Original Message 
>From: Dave Corio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:34:28 PM
>Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Off-topic, but any help appreciated
>
> The power supply has been changed once already, but that was 
> changing a 250-watt for another 250-watt. I can't just get a 
> generic power supply, as Gateway has a proprietary mounting system 
> that a generic won't fit into without a lot of drilling. I'm going 
> to order a 450-watt unit from Gateway - at $65 plus shipping. This 
> will also be my last dealing with Gateway. This PC has been a lemon 
> since day one, having been repaired now eight times under warranty!
>
>Tnx es 73
>Dave
>KB3MOW
>
>
>jhaynesatalumni wrote:
>>
>>--- In digitalradio@ 
>>yahoogroups. com, "N6CRR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .> wrote:
>> >
>> > Spend $20 and swap out the power supply. I had a computer doing that
>> > and it turned out to be that. Power supplies are cheap.
>> >
>>
>>And cheap power supplies are often prodigious RF noise generators, even
>>when the computer is off. Spend a little more and get a good quality
>>power supply. And beware that Dell computers use the same power
>>connector as others, but with a different pin arrangement. So you can't
>>swap mother boards and power supplies between Dell and other brands.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>No virus found in this incoming message.
>>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/778 - Release Date: 
>>4/27/2007 1:39 PM
>>
>
>
>
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>Check out 
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Re: [digitalradio] Digital 7MHz World Bandplans Comparison

[Les Keppie]

Hi Bonnie


Google      New Australian 7 MHz Band Plan



Regards
Les VK2DSG




expeditionradio wrote:
> Here is a current list of 7MHz world bandplans for comparison. It is
> interesting to note the apparent common worldwide segment for 500Hz
> bandwidth digital texting/data at 7035-7038kHz. It is defined for
> digital/data/texting in all areas of the world. 
> 
> In Japan, this segment shares SSB activity, but DX digital is
> specifically allowed. In USA, this segment shares with CW, but
> digital/data is allowed.
> 
> The Digitalradio Group's international 7MHz frequency is 7034kHz USB,
> which overlaps part of the 7035-7038 segment. 
> 
> Bandplan listings are attached below.
> 
> 73---Bonnie KQ6XA
> 
> More info see:  http://www.hflink.com/bandplans/
> 
> ==IARU Region 1 Bandplan== (Europe/Africa/MidEast/Russia)
> 7035 - 7038 [500HzBW] Narrow band modes - digimodes 
> 7038 - 7040 [500HzBW] Narrow band modes – digimodes, automatically
> controlled data stations (unattended) 
> 7040 - 7043 [2700HzBW] All modes - digimodes, automatically controlled
> data stations (unattended)
> 7043 -7100 [2700HzBW] All modes, Image Centre of Activity 7043 kHz,
> Region 1 Emergency Centre of Activity 7060 kHz, SSB QRP Centre of
> Activity 7090 kHz 
> 7100 - 7200 [2700HzBW] All modes
> 
> ==IARU Region 2 Bandplan== (North and South America)
> 7000 - 7035 CW 
> 7035 - 7040 Digimode with other Regions, CW 
> 7040 - 7050 Packet with other Regions, CW 
> 7050 - 7100 Phone, CW 
> 7100 - 7120 Digimode, Phone, CW 
> 7120 - 7165 Phone, CW 
> 7165 - 7175 SSTV, FAX, Phone, CW 
> 7175 - 7300 Phone, CW
> 
> ==IARU Region 3 Bandplan== (Asia/Pacific/Australia/Oceania)
> 7000 - 7300 CW
> 7025 - 7040 NB
> 7030 - 7300 Phone
> 7100 - 7300 Secondary
> NB: Narrow band modes including CW, RTTY, Packet and modes with
> similar bandwidth not exceeding 2 kHz. 
> Phone: Phone operation includes SSTV, FAX and modes with similar
> bandwidth not exceeding 2 kHz.
> 
> ==Australia Bandplan==(WIA)
> 7000 - 7300 CW
> 7030 - 7040 Digital Modes (Note 2)
> 7040 - 7300 SSB
> 7075 WICEN frequency
> Note 2: Modes
> "Digital Modes" includes all modes such as RTTY, packet and Amtor,
> using FSK or PSK and with bandwidths up to 1.12 kHz. The SSB segment
> can also be used for image transmission modes such as SSTV or Fax,
> using bandwidths up to 4 kHz.  
> 
> ==USA Bandplan== (ARRL)
> 7040 RTTY/Data DX
> 7080-7125 RTTY/Data
> 7171 SSTV
> 7290 AM calling frequency
> 
> ==Japan Bandplan== (JARL)
> 7000 - 7100 CW
> 7025 - 7030 Digital
> 7030 - 7045 Digital DX
> 7030 - 7100 Narrow Phone, Image
> 
> 
> ==END OF FILE==
> 



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Re: [digitalradio] Re: sked

[Les Keppie]

Hi Bill
Ok thanks Bill - was using about 100 watts pep
to 8 el log at 51 feet
Received David WD4KPD just fine here


> 234900  4  -12  2.2   -8  3 *  VK2DSG WD4KPD FM151  10 
> 234900  2   1/23   VK2DSG WD4KPD FM151   0 
> 235100  3  -13  3.8   -8  3 *  VK2DSG WD4KPD FM151  10 
> 235100  2   2/24   VK2DSG WD4KPD FM151   0 
> 235300  4  -13  2.7   -8  3 *  VK2DSG WD4KPD FM151  10 
> 235300  2   3/25   VK2DSG WD4KPD FM151   0 
> 235500  0  -18  9.2   -8  4
> 235500  2   3/26   VK2DSG WD4KPD FM151   0 
> 235700  0  -18  7.0   -8  2
> 235700  2   3/27   VK2DSG WD4KPD FM151   0 
> 235900  0  -33  3.3  275 23
> 235900  2   3/28   VK2DSG WD4KPD FM151   0 
> 
> UTC Date: 2007 Apr 05
> -
> 00  Transmitting: JT65A   RRR   (Shorthand)
> 37  Transmitting: JT65A   73    (Shorthand)

Regards
Les VK2DSG


Bill McLaughlin wrote:
> Hi Les,
> 
> you were -15 to -21 db here but decoded well on my 80 meter antenna. 
> N5SIX heard you better on his 8ft wire :)
> 
> 73 
> 
> Bill N9DSJ
> 
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Les Keppie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> David Michael Gaytko // WD4KPD wrote:
>>> i need a vk/zl and a s.america for wac on jt65.  who can
>>> give me a skedis long weekend here, and glad to try just
>>> about any time and band.
>>>
>>> pse reply direct [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>> cuall on PJ/jt65
>>>
>>> david/wd4kpd
>>>
>> Hi David
>> Am transmitting 14.076127  approx
>> from 2320 utc 5th
>> That is now hihi
>> de Les vk2dsg
>>
> 
> 
> 

Re: [digitalradio] sked

[Les Keppie]

David Michael Gaytko // WD4KPD wrote:
> i need a vk/zl and a s.america for wac on jt65.  who can
> give me a skedis long weekend here, and glad to try just
> about any time and band.
> 
> pse reply direct [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> cuall on PJ/jt65
> 
> david/wd4kpd
> 
Hi David
Am transmitting 14.076127  approx
from 2320 utc 5th
That is now hihi
de Les vk2dsg

Re: [digitalradio] VK2DSG JT65

[Les Keppie]

KT2Q wrote:
> Les,
> 
> Copy your test message on 20 meters...
> 
> 020200  2   -8  7.4 -525  3 *  TEST VK2DSG Q 
> 1   0
> 
> Tony KT2Q
> 
> 
> 
> 
Hi Tony
Thanks for the email report

Here no decode from you so far as callsigns go
but did get the following line at

021000 1 -32-447 3 73 ?

your signal was s5 or so here
but really dont know how to work this programme
de Les VK2DSG

Re: [digitalradio] FCC Announcement

[Les Warriner]

How can you say so much with your tongue firmly implanted in your 
cheek?  I hope anyway...



At 09:44 AM 3/31/2007, you wrote:


FCC Announcement

It was announced today that Kellogg's and the Federal Communications
Commission have signed a pact to issue Amateur Radio Licenses on
specially marked boxes of Corn Flakes. In this unprecedented move the
FCC believes this will not hurt amateur radio but allow all
individuals to receive an amateur radio license without having to
demonstrate any skills with the exception of being able to use a pair
of scissors to cut out their operating permit from the breakfast
cereal box.

Kellogg's spokesperson commented that they were proud to have been
selected by the government to be the issuer of licenses for amateur
radio in the US and hope to soon make an agreement with other cereal
loving countries. They also expect that will be issuing certificates
of achievement for DXCF for confirmed contacts with 100 corn flakers.

Following the announcement that new amateur radio licensees will be
able to operate in the HF spectrum without knowledge of Morse Code,
the 2- meter handi-talki manufacturers have responded to what they
view as a threat to their business. Said Hiram Bumble, CEO of
whatawaste.com, the number one HT maker in the world, "We are not
pleased at all about the new FCC rule. Our business has depended upon
the rapid entry of no-code technicians who buy an HT, use it a couple
of times, and then quit the hobby. Now, with the prospect of HF
operation, a lot of these techies will forego their HTs."

The HT manufacturers have decided to imitate Kodak's defense against
electronic photography. They will begin making cardboard HTs that cost
only $19.99. Once the battery is depleted, they are meant to be tossed
away. It is hoped that the low price tag will make these disposable
HTs a more compelling purchase than the more costly HF gear. The HT
manufacturers all also lobbying the Federal government to adopt
national CC&Rs which will prevent most people from erecting any sort
of antenna that is more than one meter in length.

RE: [digitalradio] Re: CQ CH?

[Les Warriner]

And if you are describing an "incident" where a 
tornado has touched down you can certainly make 
sure that the people in the emergency operations 
center know exactly what you are talking - sorry 
keying - about and the location abbreviated.  We 
learned the hard way in Korea and Viet Nam spell 
it out - even on CW and it takes forever to do 
so.  Mistakes cost lives in many situations.


At 04:51 PM 3/21/2007, you wrote:

I agree – you can spot the keyboarders on cw 
immediately – they spell everything out like they were typing into a computer.


Boring – if you are keyboarding on cw and your 
QSO disappears – its cause you chased him off.




I am not going to listen to “I LIVE OVER IN THE 
SOUTH SIDE OF CHICAGO – THE WEATHER HERE IS OK 
BUT A LITTLE ON THE COLD SIDE. WHAT KIND OF RIG ARE YOU USING?”


When a “QTH  Chicago – wx cold – rig hr knwd – how?  K”

Would do it.

(in about 1/10th the time).





From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kv9u

Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 7:31 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: CQ CH?



Bruce and group members,

I am not suggesting in any way that only 1% of hams use CW. I am talking
about QRQ CW where you are having a near real time conversation. It
seems to me that you have to get up around 30 or 35 wpm or more to even
approach that point from what I have seen. One of the big equalizers is
the use of the short forms on CW.

Did you ever notice that on digital modes, most of us type in the full
text and do not tend to use the short forms (fer, es, ?, wid, tt, etc.)
which are used quite a bit by savvy operators? The one difference (just
like digital keyboarding) is when the CW operator is using a keyboard
rather than a keyer. It seems that there is more of a tendency to spell
it out in full. With the keyboard (perfectly sent code) I sometimes will
use a computer to follow along.

You do have a fairly substantial number of CW contesters, although the
exchanges are fairly standardized and it may be a bit different from a
longer chat.

My normal code speed is very comfortable around 15 to 18 wpm, but I
consider it to be fairly slow code. I will QRS though for anyone. If I
try and get up around 25, I start missing too many characters as I have
never learned to copy in my head and see the letters spell the words.
There are a few exceptions with common words and certain syllables such
as the "ing" which stands out for me.

Isn't it just fantastic that most rigs now come with built-in keyers?
That is so slick compared to having YAB (Yet Another Box) to connect up
between the key paddle and the rig:) I even figure out a way to connect
my Bencher paddle to either my Ten Tec Argonaut V or my ICOM rig with
one cable for the ICOM, and an 1/8" stereo to 1/4" stereo female jack
for the Argo, and then it coincidentally works with a straight key with
the Argo without any wiring changes:)

73,

Rick, KV9U

bruce mallon wrote:
> Rick ...
>
> 99% of us took the code and don't use it. BUT that
> said nothing wrong with thoes who are GOOD at and
> enjoy the mode  I myself love lissing to the guys
> zipping along at 12-20 wpm even if i can only copy a
> few letters in a row  It's a neet mode and VERY
> good when you have to pull things out of the noise
>  Sometimes people just think old is not any good
> ... and to many CW is a old useless mode .
>
> Bruce
> On 6 since 66
>
> Your comment 
> "Like most things, there are always some extreme
> examples that you could point to, but 99% of us are
> not going to be doing QRQ CW. It took tremendous work
> for me to even pass the 20 wpm CW test at the FCC
> years ago. And not many hams today even know Morse
> code at any speed, much less at QRQ speeds."
>
>

RE: [digitalradio] Re: CQ CH?

[Les Warriner]

Horse Feathers.  From 50 years of experience - military and civilian

At 07:01 AM 3/21/2007, you wrote:

I really don’t want to start a CW vs anything 
war here – really I DON’T.. but you are dead 
wrong on CW – it is faster to talk with CW than 
with voice and you can QSK – that is what is was 
invented for.Tnx es c u l om es 73






From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kv9u

Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:48 AM
To: =SMTP:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: CQ CH?



I used to wonder about this, but I think that much of this is related to
the nature of the mode. One of the main reasons that CW and digital tend
to have fewer disagreements is that it is not as easy to have the
quicker back and forth ability you have on voice modes. You also don't
get the cues of the other persons voice timbre and nuances.

What is a strong viewpoint to some is "normal" to others, and we see
that on any internet group as well. Only it can be even worse, because
even though the slower speeds on radio do allow for faster back and
forth exchanges. I had that last night with a ham who was very
frustrated with 141A in Multipsk because we could not connect in FAE. I
was surprised how angry he got in a matter of minutes of frustration.

With analog voice, you can talk back and forth many times faster than
you can on keyboard or CW modes and you accelerate interaction. Most
people are probably similar to my speed of around 40 wpm or so for
keyboarding which is a fraction of the speed of talking. Also, most CW
and digital contacts tend to be more superficial and short.

And another thing about digital is that you can not have several
stations transmitting on the same station at the same time like you can
with analog voice and CW. So you don't get the snide comments from
others like you will get on voice and even CW. I was listening to the
tests the other day from the hams using WinDRM and it was similar to AM
phone with the longer transmissions of a roundtable discussion. Of
course with weaker stations, you get nothing:(

73,

Rick, KV9U

Simon Brown wrote:
> I agree - listening to SSB can really turn one off Ham Radio for good,
> I don't think I've ever seen an argument on digital modes.
>
> Simon Brown, HB9DRV
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Joe Serocki 
>
> Want to reinforce this? Listen to the loonies on 75 Phone, 14.275,
> etc. The TRY to find someone on any rant on a digital mode. I
> doubt you could find one, much less one who sits there complaining
> how the government is not giving him enough of a handout!
>

Re: [digitalradio] RFSM2400

[Les Keppie]

John Bradley wrote:

> 
> will be on 14109.5 USB starting at about 1400Z, and will be on for a while 
> since I have 

a lot of computer work to do tomorrow
> 
> regards
> 
> John
> VE5MU
> 
Les VK2DSG IS IN BEACON MODE ON 14109.5 FROM 0445Z 19TH FOR 2 HOURS -
ANTENNA POINTED SHORT PATH TO CENTRAL USA APPROX

Re: [digitalradio] "legal Mode" guidelines

[Les Keppie]

KT2Q wrote:
> All:
> 
> The 'legal mode' issue keeps coming up everytime a 
> new mode is introduced. Life is too short to try 
> and make sense of Part 97 so I think it would be 
> useful to have a list of guidelines to help 
> determine whether a mode meets FCC rules or not.
> 
> It should be to the point and concise; something 
> like...
> 
> 1. The mode must have an open and published 
> protocol.
> 2. The mode can not exceed 300 baud when used in 
> the digital subbands.
> 
> etc...
> 
> Tony -- KT2Q
> 
> 
> 
> 
WOULD SUGGEST YOU DELETE (2)ABOVE AND RUN WITH WHAT
YOU HAVE LEFT
Les VK2DSG

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RFSM-2400

[Les Keppie]

o. wrote:
> Hi group
> 
> Where can I download theRFSM software from?
> 
http://rfsm2400.aanesland.com/

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RFSM-2400

[Les Warriner]

What did Ham Radio do before the Internet E-Mail?

At 03:51 PM 3/15/2007, you wrote:


Hi Jaun,

Can sked with you on 20 meters: it's 22:50z. Try
14109.5?

Tony KT2Q

- Original Message -
From: "Juan Carlos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <digitalradio@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 5:33 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: RFSM-2400

>I just downloaded and instaled version 0.49 and
>I'm ready on the air.
> How config the beacon ?
>
> tks. & regards
>
> LU9DO
>
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] RFSM-2400 Email features

[Les Keppie]

Howard Brown wrote:
> Hello Les and Group,
> 
> I exchanged emails with Dmitry, built a clean Windows system and
> installed version 0.492.  Now I can connect, chat and exchange files
> with the other station OK.
> 
> How about the email features?  Does anyone know how that is intended
> to work?  Do you just put messages in the Mailbox in the form of files
> and exchange them?  
> 
> So far this program is VERY fast on file transfers and provides
> perfect copy of files exchanged.  I don't know how it really compares
> with Pactor3 but it sure is a lot cheaper.  Too bad it is not legal in
> US ham bands.
> 
> Comments?
> 
> Howard K5HB
> 
> 
Hi Howard
Glad to hear that you have RFSM2400 working - and yes it is quite fast
on file transfers
Below some figures for the 40m band during daylight but with reasonably
heavy storm QRN over distance of 400 klm band condx not so good at that 
distance either

> Abonent 'VK2JN' accept FTP-requests. - 6/03/2007 - 2:25:49 PM
> Abonent 'VK2JN' accept MAIL-requests. - 6/03/2007 - 2:25:49 PM
> Receiving file 'ATT00020.jpg', size 35064 bytes, from 'VK2JN'... - 6/03/2007 
> - 2:26:24 PM
> File 'ATT00020.jpg' received succesfully, all time 183 sec, average speed 
> 1526 
> bits/sec - 6/03/2007 - 2:29:44 PM
> Receiving file 'ATT00023.jpg', size 39781 bytes, from 'VK2JN'... - 6/03/2007 
> - 2:30:41 PM
> File 'ATT00023.jpg' received succesfully, all time 180 sec, average speed 
> 1759 
> bits/sec - 6/03/2007 - 2:33:58 PM
> Receiving file 'ATT00029.jpg', size 15638 bytes, from 'VK2JN'... - 6/03/2007 
> - 2:35:46 PM
> File 'ATT00029.jpg' received succesfully, all time 103 sec, average speed 
> 1203 
> bits/sec - 6/03/2007 - 2:37:48 PM
> Receiving file 'ATT00032.jpg', size 38370 bytes, from 'VK2JN'... - 6/03/2007 
> - 2:38:06 PM
> File 'ATT00032.jpg' received succesfully, all time 205 sec, average speed 
> 1491 
> bits/sec - 6/03/2007 - 2:41:51 PM
BTW I have seen much faster transfers than the above on very quiet bands


Regarding the Mailbox -This is how I figure it works - When you connect 
to a station the programme at some stage will create a subfolder in the 
MAILBOX  folder in your programme for that particular station  -  You 
can then put any type of file  in that folder  for that particular 
station - he can then pick up those messages from his Mailbox on your 
system when he next connects OR you can connect to the station and send 
them yourself to his DOWNLOAD directory

Seems to me to be quite a good system

Regarding your comments about not being legal - Yes a bit of a puzzle as 
it is doing no different to Pactor 3 as far as I can see - transferring 
files on HF - hihi
Regards Les

Re: [digitalradio] What's with Boulder?

[Les Warriner]

BUT:  As I understand the explanation given by the National Bureau of 
Standards, there is more at Boulder than JUST WWV.  This is the home 
of the Cesium Atom clock that controls time for us, both UTC and 
through some outstanding equipments in the station, local times 
through the now infamous,Atomic Clock, that is widely advertised 
and  in use both wearable and wall mounted.  I have 3 of them one set 
to UTC and it is not effected by the DST time change but the others 
are 12 hour format and reset themselves with the Atomic Clock signal 
this morning.  Fascinating to watch!!!


At 07:35 PM 3/11/2007, you wrote:


Wait! WWV and WWVB transmit UTC time codes. There is absolutely no
way for either station to 'know' in which time zone your atomic clock
is located. So  How could they correct time for DST???

Enlighten me please

73, Chuck/AA5J

At 09:00 PM 3/11/2007, Les Warriner wrote:

>Whoops. Yes, they do correct time for DST and standard time. My
>clocks, atomic clock controlled, changed at 1 AM EDT by gaining an
>hour. My UTC clock did not change - thankfully!!!
>
>At 04:45 PM 3/11/2007, you wrote:
>
>>Hello There,
>>
>>WWV has always gone by UTC.
>>UTC has no Daylight Savings Time period.
>>They have leap seconds once in awhile.
>>
>>73 Gary WB6BNE
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Walt DuBose
>>To: 
<mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com><mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com>digitalradio@yahoogroups.com

>>Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:09 AM
>>Subject: Re: [digitalradio] What's with Boulder?
>>Andrew O'Brien wrote:
>> > Hmm, not really ham radio related but my atomic clock just leap
>> > forward an hour at 11.30PM Eastern Time (USA). Did WWV not have the
>> > patience to wait until the official date and time ?
>> >
>>It changes at sometime after midnight UCT.
>>Walt/K5YFW
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/718 - Release Date:
>3/11/2007 9:27 AM

Re: [digitalradio] What's with Boulder?

[Les Warriner]

Whoops.  Yes, they do correct time for DST and standard time.  My 
clocks, atomic clock controlled, changed at 1 AM EDT by gaining an 
hour.  My UTC clock did not change - thankfully!!!


At 04:45 PM 3/11/2007, you wrote:


Hello There,

WWV has always gone by UTC.
UTC has no Daylight Savings Time period.
They have leap seconds once in awhile.

73 Gary WB6BNE

- Original Message -
From: Walt DuBose
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] What's with Boulder?

Andrew O'Brien wrote:
> Hmm, not really ham radio related but my atomic clock just leap
> forward an hour at 11.30PM Eastern Time (USA). Did WWV not have the
> patience to wait until the official date and time ?
>

It changes at sometime after midnight UCT.

Walt/K5YFW

Re: [digitalradio] RFSM-2400 Setup Assist

[Les Keppie]

Howard Brown wrote:
> Two stations are trying to set up RFSM2400, not in the ham bands. Both
> stations have difficulty with the COM port keying the transmitter (via
> the Rigblaster) as soon as the program opens, and leaving it keyed. 
> We are able to switch over to VOX but would like the com port keying
> capability for ARQ mode.  One of us is using Wine and Linux (Ubuntu
> 6.06) and the other is using Windows XP.
> 
> Anyone got any hints on this?
> 
> We also are not able to connect yet.  We can each hear the other's
> signal and see it on the scope but no connect.  I can hear him
> answering my polls but no result. We went through the configuration
> page and are sure that all options are configured the same.
> 
> Any ideas where we went wrong here?
> 
> Thanks for any ideas you send.
> 
> Howard K5HB
> 
> 


Hi Howard
You may be interested is the emails below
de les vk2dsg


> Hi Dmitry
> Here some observations made by VK2JN during his testing
> of RFSM2400
> 
> I dont have these problems on my system which is
> 2.6 Celeron with 1G memory using XP Pro
> So far I have only passed files to 130k and had no problems with this
> Storm QRN will slow down transfer or completely stop transfer depending
> on severity of conditions
> Very Pleased with results so far
> Regards Les
> 
> 
> 
> 
> RFSM-2400 Ver 49 / User Issues Noted From VK2JN
> 
> Enviroment:
> 
> Sony Vaio notebook TX47BPW Core Solo
> Windows XP pro
> USB 4 port generic hub
> Generic USB sound card
> Aten USB to serial converter
> 
> RFSM loaded to run from it's own directory called "RFSM-2400" from the root 
> drive known 

as "c"
> 
> 
> Issues:
> 
> When executing the program the PTT is immediately activated (keyed down) and 
> remains in 

that state until com port line is changed from DTR to RTS or vica versa 
and the options

window then closed after which it will then release the PTT and work 
normally until the

program is executed once again.

(THIS IS JUST A WORK AROUND FOUND BY JAMES VK2JN)
> 
> When changing options in the connection window (ie: connecting attempts 
> count) the

  setting is not  saved after the program is closed. After changing and 
reopening the

program it returns to installation default.
> 
> When transferring files we notice that files larger than 250kb become 
> truncated / 

corrupted with no receiving check sum error. Not a serious issue as that 
file size is

extreme and file splitting is generally used.
> 


> Dmitry wrote:
>> Hi, Les.
>>
>> Thanks for reports.
>>
>> My comments about issues.
>>
>> 1. PPT. I will see, what is this. Your reports if first.
>>
>> 2. Options in "Connection" page. Yes, it is, 'rfsm' not saved option 
>> "Connecting 

attempts counts".
>> I will fix it in next releases.
>>
>> 3. freeware-version 'rfsm' just has limit on size of transferred file - 250 
>> kb ;)
>> It's not bug, it's feature... ;)
>>
>> Regards, Dmitry.
>>
>>

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Why still the W1AW CW non-listening stuff on 3.580?

[Les Warriner]

The United States was the LAST country of the world requiring it for 
testing.  Now there is NO country requiring it.  Does that not say 
something?  It's fun, it's great, it has some definite uses but so 
does RTTY. Should that be required too?  I teach it to my kids in 
school.  They drive teachers bonkers with it.  They will never cease 
using it.  But they also use many other digital modes.


73

Les

 At 12:42 PM 2/19/2007, you wrote:


Charlie,

No reasonable person can deny that the FCC no longer considers CW a
necessary skill for radio amateurs to have. At one time it was something
of significance, now it is not. At one time, CW skills were something
the government wanted maintained within a subset of the population
because it might be needed during wartime. This is no longer true since
even the military (with a few exceptions) no longer uses CW.

CW was only a necessary skill on amateur frequencies during the earliest
days. Once voice modes, and much later, RTTY modes, became common, CW
was no longer a necessary skill for ham radio. For many hams, CW was
abandoned for the remainder of their operating years. The percentage of
radio amateurs who operate CW for at least part of their operating
time, has been decreasing drastically and will likely continue to
decrease, but this is something left up to each individual to decide.

If you listen to the ham bands today, compared to a few decades ago, it
would be obvious that there are many fewer operators sending CW.

BPL issues just go to show you how incorrect bureaucrats can be when it
comes to new technology. Just because something is new, does not
necessarily make it useful or even desirable.

73,

Rick, KV9U

Charlie Wilber wrote:

>"KV9U" <<mailto:mrfarm%40mwt.net>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Clearly, the FCC no longer considers CW a necessary skill. No
>reasonable person can deny that."
>==
>
>No "reasonable person" can deny what? That CW is no longer a necessary
>skill or that the FCC no longer considers it to be so? If you meant
>the former, your arrogant generalization is unfortunate and incorrect.
>If the latter, we need only remember that the FCC also considers BPL
>to be a benign technology that has no effect on amateur radio to
>understand the error of that statement. Any reasonable person will
>understand that.
>
>Charlie Wilber
>N1AOK
>
>
>

RE: [digitalradio] Ten-Tec Jupiter

[Les Warriner]

And my Pegasus with the W(N?)4PY software will work right along side 
them!! ($850.00) many years ago.


73

Les

At 01:43 PM 2/12/2007, you wrote:


Thanks for the comments.

The Jupiter now cost $1495 without an antenna tuner.

The SDR-1000 now cost $1499 without an antenna tuner.

The IC-746PRO now cost $1499 with an antenna tuner and they will 
through in a power supply.


I think that the 746 will do everything that the Jupiter will and 
probably almost as much as the SDR-1000 will do.


73,

Walt/K5YFW

-Original Message-
From: <mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com>digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of KV9U
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:43 AM
To: <mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com>digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Te-Tec Jupiter

I had a Ten Tec Pegasus which is basically the precursor to the Jupiter,
but strictly computer controlled. It was OK as a rig, but of course
fairly low end as is the Jupiter. I am just amazed at the comments made
by a number of hams as to how wonderful this equipment compares to other
rigs.

I liked the ability to change the DSP filters to a number of presets.
The DSP was not comparable to more expensive rigs, but was not too bad
either. The IMD DR, which many consider to be the most important
parameter, is quite poor as are many rigs in the under $1000 price
class. The Jupiter has to be the most expensive transceiver for the
performance delivered and I feel that I am being somewhat charitable
when I say that. The eham reviews show a very low 4.3 rating with well
over 100 reviews. This tells me that a lot of hams have purchased this
unit, but found it well below average. Any rating on eham that is below
4.5 and with a substantial number of reviews, suggests a problem. The
Pegasus had a 4.7 rating with about 40 reviews and I think that was
because of the new concept of one of the first DSP rigs with moderate
cost ($900) at the time.

These rigs are relatively easy to interface because they are designed
with a 5 pin DIN plug to handle line in and line out and PTT. This means
you can set up keying via VOX. It is not always easy to set up but can
be done. ICOM rigs can not do this unless you go through their
microphone port which to me is completely unacceptable as I want to keep
the digital modes through the data ports.

The main reason for trading my Pegasus in for an Argonaut V was to have
a QRP type rig for fun (and the trade price after all those years for a
"used" Argo was only about $150) and because Ten Tec abandoned these
rigs and no longer updates them. They also never developed good software
for the interface and expected you to buy a third party software which
can get very expensive if you purchase an annual subscription. They gave
you the impression that they would continue to develop and improve
software for their rigs and they have completely failed in this regard.
The real concern I had was that I may eventually do more with Linux OS
and I am concerned that these rigs may be more orphan rigs since they
are not the mainstream big three Japanese products.

I do find that that my ICOM 756 Pro 2 works a lot better than the Ten
Tec product, but then you would expect it to considering the price
difference.

73,

Rick, KV9U

Walt DuBose wrote:

>Is anyone on the list using a Ten-Tec Juliter?
>
>If so, I would be interested in its performance on sound card digital modes.
>
>Tnx & 73,
>
>Walt/K5YFW
>
>
>

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Re: [digitalradio] Re: US Hams Codeless Feb 23

[Les Warriner]

You are not alone in your thoughts.  Our Technician class is 9 weeks, 
2 hours every Monday afternoon, then testing.  When the individuals 
obtain their licenses they are fully qualified and knowledgeable Hams 
as well as fully qualified Emergency Communications citizens.  We 
start with 6, 7 and 8th graders with a few high schoolers and 
parent/teachers tossed in and learn, not memorize what has to be 
known to truly be Hams. Many have advanced to General and even Extra 
from these classes.


Even though they at this point only have their Tech license, they are 
fully qualified to operate all positions on our station, W7HMS.  In 
the event of an incident in the area, there will always be a higher 
class licensee there so they do and can operate the HF as well as the 
VHF/UHF rigs.  Our school is an evacuation center so we have walkie 
talkies for the kids to bird dog in the gyms and pass traffic 
upstairs to the station for HF transmission to the Red Cross and 
EOC.  During exercises they put some of the "older" operators to 
shame and the Fed monitoring teams always write glowing reports on 
their performances.


After more than 50 years in the "Hobby", my personal thought is that 
the people who run these memorization classes  are doing a 
dis-service to the students.  There is NO way that these licensees 
after 6 or 8 hours are going to know anything about Ham radio let 
alone all of the ancillary benefits that go with being a true Ham. 
Yes they know the answers to the questions but know nothing at all of 
any background to the question or why the question is included in the 
pool.  After serving in numerous emergency situations, I have seen 
where one wrong word in a message can cost lives.  Are these new 
licensees qualified, as the rules require, to be able to conduct 
emergency communications?


My soap box is creaking so I'll just continue as we are and have been 
doing.  I learned also long ago that you do not easily change minds.


73

Les


I am sure it will be similar to the pent up demand we had when the
Technician license became code free and many new entrants took the test.

Because VHF and up is less compelling than daily occurence of longer
distance communications with HF, it may be that we will see continuing
interest.

A nearby city where I used to live and give the classes for Technician
and held VE sessions quite regularly, now has the "Ham in a day"
program. Basically, they will take anyone and go over the test questions
in the morning and early afternoon and then test later in the day. They
have a very high pass rate. Apparently, some students have had minimal
exposure to radio are able to pass.

I would not personally we willing to run such a test session, because
anyone who is not willing to meet for a couple of hours for six weeks
and study the material, will likely never stay with amateur radio
anyway. There are many competing interests out there and everyone picks
the things that interest them the most. We include a lot of "show and
tell", demonstrations of equipment and simple antennas, and hands on
components.

One thing that I don't fully understand is why people are taking element
3 or higher now. They will have to pay the fee all over again at another
VE test to have the paperwork submitted for the new no code General or
Extra Class license.

My wife, who is studying for her General, although she has very little
interest in HF, thought that the reason might be that they were ready
for the test and did not want to take the chance of getting stale by the
time of the next VE test session. Like most things, she is probably
right about that:)

73,

Rick, KV9U

James M Punderson IV wrote:

>Hi Rick,
>
>I work as a VE for some clubs here in NJ. We just had a session last
>Thursday at which instead of the usual 2 or 3 test takers, we had
>eleven of which seven were Technicians taking the General written exam.
>
>So if that's any indication, there is a lot of interest in HF out
>there. I think from talking to those folks at the session that this
>will enhance the chances of them sticking with ham radio.
>
>Jamie Punderson, W2QO
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] US Hams Codeless Feb 23

[Les Warriner]

Ah Common.  Just because we're old - - - -At 04:39 PM 1/21/2007, you wrote:


Hello folks,

Speaking of tests the next time you visit the doctor remember he has 
a practice. So pick an old fart that has practiced on somebody else first!!


Everybody has to start somewhere.

Later
Brad N1NPK

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE Receiving

[Les Keppie]

Hi Bonnie
Can you set up  to sound on a specific channel
without going to scan mode - I would just like
to leave it sound on 7102 only - to see if
I can hear anyone on that channel only
de les vk2dsg
> 
> Also, I'm glad to see that Les VK2DSG is on the air. 
> Two days ago, Les told me he was receiving my ALE signals on 7102.0
> 
> 73---Bonnie KQ6XA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Re: [digitalradio] HAMPAL PROBLEM

[Les Keppie]

David
Uninstall Windows Defender - Reinstall Hampal - then Reinstall Windows Defender
de les vk2dsg 

  - Original Message - 
  From: David Michael Gaytko // WD4KPD 
  To: DIGITALRADIO 
  Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 1:44 AM
  Subject: [digitalradio] HAMPAL PROBLEM



  HELP NEEDED...

  JUST INSTALLED HAMPAL ON THIS NEW MACHINE, AND THIS ERROR COMES UP EVERY 
  TIME, HOWEVER THE PROGRAM
  SEEMS TO WORK OTHERWISE. ONLY WHEN I "OK" THE ERROR BOX, PROGRAM CLOSES.

  C:\WD4KPD\HAMPAL01JAN06\HAMPAL.EXE HAD THE FOLLOOWING UNRECOVERABLE ERROR:
  COULDN'T FIND LIBRARY MSVCP80.DLL(REQUIRED BY 
  C:\PROGRA~1\WIFD1F~1\MPSHHOOK.DLL)
  ENSURE THAT IT IS INSTALLED.

  I HAVE DOWNLOADED THE MSVCP80.DLL AND PUT IT INTO THE WINDOWS\SYSTEM DIR.

  MACHINE IS XP.

  DAVID/WD4KPD


   

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[Fwd: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Field Day and PSK31]

[Les Keppie]

-
Maybe you should look at Hampal and Hamswap - Stations running these two
programs have the facility to send an email via a station that has 
agreed to send email
from his station - It works quite well for mobile or portable stations 
that do not have
connection to the internet for email  - below is the Help file from Hamswap
You should also read the Help file for Hampal as it contains information 
on how to
work the Hampal Repeater

  HI FELLASPLEASE NOTE THIS IS EXPERIMENTAL

  BETA 6j
requirements
   
1. Hamswap.exe must be in the same directory as your Hampal.EXE
2. HAMPAL must be running  and then run Hamswap (AND LEAVE IT RUNNING)
3. WINDOWS XP+also  probably needed  MSMAPI32.ocx AND other 
runtime files
4. For those AGREEING to internet sending of emails, OUTLOOK EXPRESS 
or OUTLOOK

  STORE + RETRIEVE
  If you wish to leave a message or a file in someone's repeater 
directory all you have to
do
  is precede the call or the file name with  !!  (exclamatiom marks)

  TX   eg. !!VK3AGS .TXT   OR !! VK3AXT.JPG  OR  
!! FORALL.TXT OR !!   
FLOWER.JP2
 
  THE RESULTING REPEATER DIRECTORY
 
   REPEATER DIRECTORY eg.  150406200653!!VK3AGS .TXT or  
150406200740 !!   
VK3AXT.JPG 
 
 BY HOLDING THE MOUSE ON THE BOTTOM EDGE OF HAMSWAP YOU CAN OPEN THE 
  
FORM BY DRAGGING GIVING ACCESS TO YOUR REPEATER DIRECTORY TO REMOVE
FILES FROM YOUR REPEATER FOLDER
 
FILES CAN  BE REMOVED REMOTELY BY SENDING A PRECEDING !! FILENAME 
(OR
PART THEREOF) +.txt
 
eg.
 
1.VK3AGS MAKES A REQUEST TO A REPEATER FOR ITS DIRECTORY
2. AMONGST THE DIRECTORY FILES THERE IS ONE FOR HIM
   eg.150406200653!!VK3AGS .TXT
3. HE RETRIEVES THE FILE USING HAMPAL . NOW HE HAS 2 CHOICES LEAVE 
IT THERE 
 OR REMOVE IT
4. TO REMOVE IT HE NEEDS TO SEND A FILE (TEXT FILE NEEDS SOME TEXT 
eg.   
"delete" or  ANYTHING SMALL FOR THAT MATTER BUT IT MUST BE NAMED)
 
 
 !!VK3AGS+.TXT  (PLEASE NOTE THE + SIGN BEFORE .TXT)
 
 NOW EVEN IF YOU ARE REMOVING A JPG FILE OR BMP OR HTM  THE FILE YOU 
SEND  
 
   MUST INCLUDE THE PRECEDING!! AND THE + .TXT .
 ALSO IT IS CASE SENSITIVE SO IF IT IS IN LOWERCASE YOU SEND IN 
LOWER CASE
 IF IT IS PART LOWER AND PART UPPER CASE YOU MUST DUPLICATE IT

 AUTOMATIC EMAIL RADIO LINK

 1.
   EVERY TIME YOU START THE HAMSWAP  YOU HAVE TO CLICK THE I AGREE
BUTTON
IF YOU WISH TO ALLOW YOUR SYSTEM TO SEND EMAILS RECEIVED ON 
HAMPAL  
 
 OVER THE INTERNET.
 2.
   IF YOU CLICK THE NO BUTTON YOU ARE ABLE TO CREATE AN EMAIL AND 
SEND IT
  WITH HAMPAL VIA A STATION THAT HAS AGREED TO SEND VIA THE INTERNET.
  3.
   FIRSTLY YOU SHOULD GO TO YOUR HAMPAL REPEATER OPTION AND CLICK
   Interrogate External Repeater
   FROM THE REPLY DECIDE WHICH STATION YOU WOULD LIKE TO USE THEN
IF MORE THAN ONE STATION REPLIES   SKIP STEP 4. AND GO TO
   STEP5. AND SEND THE EMAIL THIS WILL SHUT DOWN THE STATIONS THAT
   ARE INTERFERING .
  4.
   TO FIND OUT WHETHER A STATION SUPPORTS INTERNET ACCESS ASK TO VIEW
HIS REPEATER DIRECTORY IF HE SUPPORTS INTERNET ACCESS THERE WILL BE
A FILE CALLED!YES_EMAIL_LINK.TXTWHICH YOU CAN 
DOWNLOAD (REQUEST
 
   SPECIFIED FILE)   AND READ.

 5.
 TO CREATE THE EMAIL JUST FILL IN THE FORM AND CLICK FINISHED 
THEN IN  
HAMPAL CLICK 'LOAD ANY' BUTTON  AND GO TO YOUR HAMPAL ( ALSO  
HAMSWAP)  DIRECTORY AND LOAD THE FILE IN THE MYEMAILFOLDER 
AND  
SEND IT  ( I WOULD SUGGEST AFTER YOU HAVE SENT YOUR EMAIL THAT 
YOU  
DELETE THE CONTENTS OF THE  MYEMAIL FOLDER )

   6.
THE INTERNET SENDING STATION WILL HAVE A RECORD OF  SENT 
EMAILS 
WITH A DATE STAMP IN HIS HAMPAL (HAMSWAP) 'REPEATER'  DIRECTORY WHICH
YOU SHOULD REQUEST CLICKING View Repeater Directory  AFTER YOU HAVE
VIEWED AND VERIFIED ( SENT010506185541_VK2DSG_subj_HOUSE.EML) YOU THEN
SEND THE FILE IN YOURMYEMAIL DIRECTORY CALLED !!!TURNALLON.TXT
THIS WILL TURN ON ALL THE REPEATERS THAT YOU TURNED OFF SO THAT THE
NEXT STATION WHO WANTS TO SEND AN EMAIL VIA HAMPAL WILL HAVE HIS CHOICE 
OF ALL REPEATERS

 IMPORTANT
 IF YOU JUST WANT TO LISTEN DO NOT RUN HAMSWAP
 WHILE HAMPAL AND HAMSWAP ARE RUNNING TOGETHER YOU CAN
 HAVE YOUR REPEATER TURN ON AND OFF AT ANY TIME


 HOPE THIS EXPLAINS IT

 PLEASE REMEMBER

 ITS EXPERIMENTAL FELLAS SEE HOW YOU GO
 ALL CARE NO RESPONSIBILTY
 
Chris Watts

VICTORIA
AUSTRALIA

RADIO OP.   VK3DNH
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Hampal and Hamswap can be downloaded from the above
 site
Regards Les VK2D

Re: [digitalradio] Digital SSTV?

[Les Keppie]

Re HamPAL
You can try the link below - if it still works you can download the 
current beta
from there - bear in mind that the Cat control feature is still in beta 
but will work
with the 3 radios mentioned
You will also need the program Irfanview and all Plugins on your 
computer as well

If you cant get it from that site let me know and I shall email it to you

de les vk2dsg


The CAT PTT control is ready for a bit of testing.
It has only been tested with the FT-847, FT-920 and FT-1000 D.
Most of the others should work.
I am not sure about the KENWOOD rigs.
At least KENWOOD has made all the CAT commands standard for all rigs, but it
has a different format, so I would be delighted if anyone can tell me if 
it works.
The CommPort settings are up to the user, as he can change things and I 
have no idea what his settings might be.
However the present ComPort settings will usually work although some may 
require one stop bit.
These settings are remembered.

To operate.
1. Select CAT PTT Settings.
2. Select the rig. If yours is not there then send me the commands and I 
will include it.
3. Select the comport settings that your rig or modem require.
4. Select "Use CAT PTT"

Get it from:

http://s34.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=232H2H52WY2E90HJXLIGUKUHSF

obrienaj wrote:
> Anyone here worked with Hampal?  I was advised it is software that 
> receives digital SSTV signals and that folks are using it on HF.  I'm 
> off to try and foind the software.
>
> Andy K3UK
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[digitalradio] CAT commands for FT920

[Les Keppie]

Does anyone know the CAT commands for the FT920
for PTT ON  and PTT OFF

Les VK2DSG



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Re: [digitalradio] Re: Calling all experimenters ( A Proposal)

[Les Keppie]

Hi All
Below is the current VK Bandplan  for 20m - There have been changes to
this lately
in regard to permitted bandwidths - see below under heading 
Item Frequency band 
Permitted emission modes

but the basic bandplan still applies 

The reason why VK amateurs stop above 14100  for wideband digital -
1khz plus
modes should be obvious


20 Metres
14.000 - 14.350 CW
14.070 - 14.112 Digital Modes (Note 2)
14.070 - 14.080 Amtor, PSK etc.
14.080 - 14.095 RTTY
14.095 - 14.112 Packet Radio
14.100 IBP Beacons (Note 3)
14.112 - 14.350 SSB
14.125 WICEN frequency
14.230 SSTV calling frequency (Note 2)
14.250 FAX calling frequency (Note 2)



Note 2: Modes
"Digital Modes" includes all modes such as RTTY, packet and Amtor,
using FSK or PSK and with bandwidths up to
1.12 kHz. The SSB segment can also be used for image transmission modes
such as SSTV or Fax, using bandwidths up
to 4 kHz. On 10 metres, the recommended segment for AM is 29.0 - 29.1
MHz.


Item Frequency band 
Permitted emission modes 

1 3.500 MHz–3.700 MHz 
7.000 MHz–7.300 MHz 
14.000 MHz–14.350 MHz 
21.000 MHz–21.450 MHz 
2 28.000 MHz–29.700 MHz 
52.000 MHz–54.000 MHz 
144.000 MHz–148.000 MHz 
430.000 MHz–450.000 MHz 
1 240.000 MHz–1 300.000 MHz 
2 400.000 MHz–2 450.000 MHz 
5.650 GHz–5.850 GHz 
Any emission mode with a necessary 
bandwidth not exceeding 8 kHz -   This restriction for HF Section
-

Any emission mode with a necessary 
bandwidth not exceeding 16 kHz   -   This restriction for FM

Les VK2DSG

dshults wrote:

  If you are speaking of semi-automatic stations, that's correct.
They too are authorized to operate where you mentioned as long
as the bandwidth is <500 Hz. The last known "rouge" automatic
pactor station that I know of (in the mid west) shut down about
a year ago. 

Again I ask, why is that narrow sub band selected? Is it
preferred because that is the only band section authorized for
fully automatic stations on 20 meters? If my math is correct,
this section (excluding 1,000Hz at 14.100) is only 10.6% of the
entire RTTY/Data sub band.

   ... Duane N7QDN


--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Ivey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
  
  
I guess because they are legal to operate there and the same 

  
  reasons the automatic station operate in the RTTY and even below sub 
bands.
  
  
Joe
W4JSI

  - Original Message - 
  From: dshults 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 8:50 PM
  Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Calling all experimenters ( A 

  
  Proposal)
  
  

  Can someone please explain to me why manually operated digital
  experimenting takes place within the narrow 20 meter sub band 

  
  where
  
  
  automatic forwarding systems are specifically limited to occupy?
  Is the rest of the digital band closed to these modes for some
  reason? Whether USB or LSB, the modulation still falls there.

  If Olivia and Contestia operate under full automatic control
  (the originating station) I can understand, but I don't believe 

  
  this
  
  
  is the case.

 ... Duane N7QDN

  --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "palmdalesteve" 

  
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  
  
  wrote:
  >
  > Calling all experimenters ( A Proposal)
  > 
  > I'd like to propose a few experiments on HF to see how well 

  
  Olivia 
  
  
  and
  > Contestia stack up. I'm looking for West Coast to Mid West 
  stations to
  > participate, as the propagation has been pretty bad at night 

  
  to try
  
  
  > this experiment to the East Coast.  If someone on the East 

  
  Coast
  
  
  > wishes to try the same experiment, that would be great.  

  
  Results,
  
  
  > comments and suggestions can be posted under this thread. 
  > 
  > Here's the plan:
  > 
  > Pick a time and band at an agreed to time for QSO's in various 
  Olivia
  > mode, report signal and see how it all stacks up. Of course 

  
  this is
  
  
  > all depending on propagation cooperation, which now days is 

  
  not a 
  
  
  sure
  > thing. I think we can coordinate this experiment to allow for 

  
  bands
  
  
  > being open and try to run it during the day or in the 

  
  evenings, 
  
  
  most
  > likely on 40 meters. Daytime would probably work best on 20 

  
  meters,
  
  
  > 14.107 or 14.108. 
  > 
  > Here's the outline of the plan. Please feel free to edit and 
  comment. 
  > 
  > 1   Pick a frequency and operating mode for the start of the 

  
  test. 
  
  
  > 2   Something like 7.090 04:00 Z. Olivia 1000/32 tone mode. 

  
  Power
  
  
  > should be something like 30 to 40 watts maximum. What ever the 
  power
  > is, let others know what

Re: [digitalradio]

[Les Keppie]

As a matter of interest the first tests with the Olivia mode were made on
05 dec04 in the following format - from OH/DK4ZC  to VK2DSG on 14101.5
using 400mw to 2 el quad  - here is a copy of the RX text at VK2DSG -
It doesnt look much like Olivia as we know it today
de les vk2dsg

MFSK log on 05dec2004_214824
91/0/+0: '0 abc', S/N = 101.4/ 7.9 =  12.9
91/0/+1: '0 aoc', S/N =  81.6/ 7.7 =  10.5
   154/0/+0: 'defgh', S/N =  96.3/ 9.9 =   9.7
   154/0/+1: 'def h', S/N =  81.5/ 9.0 =   9.0
   154/1/+0: 'defg\', S/N =  81.2/ 8.5 =   9.6
   155/0/+0: 'defgh', S/N = 106.9/ 9.5 =  11.2
   155/0/+1: 'Fefgu', S/N =  79.8/ 9.0 =   8.9
   191/0/+7: ' j  {', S/N =  72.1/ 8.9 =   8.1
   217/1/+0: 'ijklm', S/N =  99.4/ 9.4 =  10.6
   217/1/+1: 'ijklm', S/N =  90.9/ 9.2 =   9.9
   218/0/-1: 'ijkl}', S/N =  79.0/ 9.7 =   8.1
   218/0/+0: 'ijklm', S/N = 154.9/ 8.1 =  19.0
   218/0/+1: 'ijklm', S/N = 120.7/ 8.5 =  14.2
   218/0/+2: 'ij lm', S/N =  86.9/10.8 =   8.0
   255/0/+4: 'G G X', S/N =  91.4/11.0 =   8.3
   281/1/+2: 'wbp k', S/N =  77.2/ 9.4 =   8.2
   282/0/+2: 'wbp k', S/N =  84.4/10.2 =   8.3
   282/1/+0: 'nopq ', S/N =  79.4/ 8.6 =   9.2
   282/1/+1: 'nopqr', S/N =  88.0/ 8.2 =  10.8
   283/0/+0: 'nopqr', S/N = 108.7/ 9.3 =  11.7
   283/0/+1: 'nopqr', S/N = 106.9/ 8.3 =  12.8
   321/0/-5: ' h U ', S/N =  61.5/ 7.7 =   8.0
   399/0/+2: ' X/o6', S/N =  76.6/ 9.4 =   8.1
   410/1/+0: 'xyz12', S/N = 113.3/ 7.9 =  14.3
   410/1/+1: 'xyz12', S/N =  95.4/ 8.3 =  11.5
   411/0/+0: 'xyz12', S/N = 109.2/ 8.7 =  12.5
   411/0/+1: 'xyz12', S/N =  95.0/ 8.2 =  11.6
   421/0/-7: ' K h ', S/N =  68.3/ 8.3 =   8.2
   473/1/-1: 'Fe567', S/N =  81.3/ 9.0 =   9.0
   473/1/+0: '34567', S/N = 116.4/ 8.7 =  13.4
   473/1/+1: '34567', S/N =  94.1/ 8.8 =  10.7
   474/0/+0: '34567', S/N =  91.7/ 8.4 =  10.9
   474/0/+1: '34567', S/N =  78.5/ 8.2 =   9.6
   510/1/-5: 'oZl3s', S/N =  74.0/ 8.5 =   8.7
   538/1/+0: '8~0 a', S/N =  73.1/ 8.7 =   8.4
   543/0/-3: '( N$ ', S/N =  56.9/ 7.0 =   8.1
   601/1/+0: 'bcdef', S/N = 106.1/ 9.1 =  11.6
   601/1/+1: 'bcdef', S/N =  74.4/ 8.7 =   8.6
   665/1/+0: 'gh jk', S/N = 108.9/ 9.4 =  11.6
   665/1/+1: 'gh jk', S/N =  99.0/ 8.7 =  11.4
   665/1/+2: '   yk', S/N =  83.6/10.2 =   8.2
   666/0/+0: 'ghijP', S/N =  66.8/ 8.4 =   8.0
   681/1/+2: 'U4 T2', S/N =  71.3/ 8.8 =   8.1
   723/1/-3: '(PI V', S/N =  64.3/ 7.9 =   8.1
   730/1/-1: 'LQn p', S/N =  65.8/ 7.7 =   8.5
   730/1/+0: 'lmnop', S/N =  84.6/ 8.0 =  10.5
   730/1/+1: 'lmnop', S/N =  71.3/ 7.4 =   9.6
   793/1/+0: 'qrst[', S/N =  84.2/10.3 =   8.1
   794/0/+0: 'qrstu', S/N =  76.9/ 9.3 =   8.2
   794/1/+0: 'qrstu', S/N = 108.3/ 9.7 =  11.1
   794/1/+1: 'qOstu', S/N =  85.5/ 9.7 =   8.8
   857/0/+0: 'vwxyz', S/N =  73.0/ 8.7 =   8.4
   857/1/+0: 'vwxyz', S/N =  78.6/ 9.5 =   8.2
   858/1/+0: 'vwxyz', S/N =  97.1/ 8.9 =  10.9
   858/1/+1: 'v xyz', S/N =  69.7/ 8.6 =   8.1
   907/1/-7: '*U Iv', S/N =  64.5/ 7.8 =   8.2
   922/1/+0: '12345', S/N =  74.0/ 8.2 =   9.1
   922/1/+1: '1=Message: 13
>   Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:14:49 -
>   From: "Dave Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Bandwidth and Olivia
>
>Howard's assertion was that current US regulations impeded US 
>amateurs from developing Olivia or PAX. Brad, your statement about 
>the delayed use of this mode by US amateurs, if true, would not 
>support Howard's claim. But your statement isn't true either!
>
>According to its creator, Pawel SP9VRC, Olivia was completed in 
>December 2004:
>
>http://homepage.sunrise.ch/mysunrise/jalocha/mfsk.html
>
>The first post on this reflector mentioning what later came to be 
>known as Olivia was made on December 23rd by Ron KA2HZO, who was 
>already QRV:
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/message/8848
>
>This is followed by a blizzard of posts by hams around the world 
>learning how to install the software and use the mode.
>
>73,
>
>Dave, AA6YQ
>
>
>That was then followed by a blizzard of posts in February by USA hams
>(ronchap being one very concerned fellow) trying to decide whether the mode
>was legal, trying to ensure sufficient documentation to FCC for approval,
>etc. Many ceased operation until the matter was cleared up.
>
>Saying that Ron was first QRV, doesn't necessarily mean that the m

[digitalradio] Winter digital net

[Les McClure]

I would like to suggest using 30 meters, it has very very litle 
cativity, just a few infrequent packet and pactor stations. Stay off of 
obvious commerical stations and made use of that waste land, it beats 
the voice qrm on 40 meters.

73, W3GXT


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Re: [digitalradio] CQ MT63 14109.5

[Les Keppie]

KT2Q wrote:

  
  
  
  Les (VK2DSG)
   
  Calling you now on 14109.5 (03:30Z) 
   
  Tony KT2Q
  
   
  
-
Original Message - 
From:
Les
Keppie 
To:
digitalradio@yahoogroups.com

Sent:
Friday, June 17, 2005 11:14 PM
Subject:
Re: [digitalradio] CQ MT63 14109.5


KT2Q wrote:

  
  
  All: 
   
  CQ MT63 14109.5 -- beaming
west.. 
   
  Tony KT2Q
  
   
  CQ CQ DE KT2Q KT2Q
CQ CQ DE KT2Q KT2Q
PSE KKK  


copied sometime prior to 0313 utc - no time stamp on cq
so dont know what time it was sent but I guess sometime in the last hour
de les vk2dsg 


  
  
  
  
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Hi Tony 
  

Was away working in my shed - I am a beekeeper - and was 
sanding boxes ready for repainting - then went to lunch
I just came back and could see that you had been working

*DE KT2Q*
W6WLB DE KT2Q

Hi, well the right mate can make all the difference in life --
financially and otherwise hi hi. OK on being a ham since 91 and fine on
your age -- god bless! 

I used to run Pactor, but since the soundcard modes were introduced,
there's not much activity. In fact, I have my old KamPlus in the closet
now hi. 
Enjoy RTTY DX as well. 

OK on keyboard CW -- I use N1MM's Logger software in CW contests with a
WinKey keyer. Works well -- might be worth a try for you Bill. 

By the way, I work for ExxonMobil -- drive one of those giant gasoline
tankers for the company -- I try not to think about the product i haul
hi hi. We work 4 days a week and always have 3-day weekends : ). 

Have today off so nice to get the chance to play radio. 

Btu Bill... 

W6WLB DE KT2Q KKK 

As you can see perfect copy here 
will give a cq when I send this email
regards 
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Re: [digitalradio] CQ MT63 14109.5

[Les Keppie]

KT2Q wrote:

  
  
  
  All: 
   
  CQ MT63 14109.5 -- beaming west.. 
   
  Tony KT2Q
  

I use a Macro like this


CQ CQ CQ de      
CQ CQ CQ de   
AT  ON  LOCAL TIME 
USING   CENTRE FREQ MIXW  
THIS AUTOCQ IS TIMED AT 60 SEC INTERVALS 




to produce the cq below      ( In MixW)

   
CQ CQ CQ de VK2DSG VK2DSG VK2DSG   
CQ CQ CQ de VK2DSG VK2DSG VK2DSG
AT 03:11:59z ON 18 Jun 2005 LOCAL TIME 13:11:59
USING  14110.500 CENTRE FREQ MIXW 2.15 
THIS AUTOCQ IS TIMED AT 60 SEC INTERVALS 
  

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Re: [digitalradio] CQ MT63 14109.5

[Les Keppie]

KT2Q wrote:

  
  
  
  All: 
   
  CQ MT63 14109.5 -- beaming west.. 
   
  Tony KT2Q
  
   
  CQ CQ DE KT2Q KT2Q
CQ CQ DE KT2Q KT2Q
PSE KKK  


copied sometime prior to 0313 utc - no time stamp on cq
so dont know what time it was sent but I guess sometime in the last hour
de les vk2dsg 


  
  
  
  
  
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