Re: [slim] Suggestions for Squeezebox player replacement for a non-techie longtime SB user
I appreciate the Airplay caution. I took a quick look around and didn't immediately find any non-Airplay2 devices for sale online. With the Wiim Mini, would the steps be as simple as plugging it in, downloading and activating in LMS the UPNP bridge? Thanks for the help, this thread will remain an easily available reference for me when needed. Hopefully not too soon. ;-) Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=117101 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Suggestions for Squeezebox player replacement for a non-techie longtime SB user
Thanks to all for the comments and suggestions, I'll try to catch up: -I don't synchronize players -It's not a question of fear or trepidation about putting together a little gizmo like a Raspberry Pi, it's that I have no interest in doing so. I'll configure LMS and add plugins as required but otherwise, I want no other tasks to do beyond putting a power cord into a wall socket and connecting audio cables. -I have in mind a network audio receiver like a Touch, to connect to existing sound equipment if and when my Squeezebox devices die, but connectible powered speakers might be useful in addition. -The Raspiaudio Muse Mn looks interesting, but I can't find it for sale anywhere. In addition, or instead, it may be that the Airplay world might be a good direction to consider. It's an ecosystem I'm unfamiliar with but your comments have led me to consider Airplay enabled speakers or receiving devices like the Belkin Soundform Connect or something similar by Andover Audio. The same idea as the Raspiaudio Muse but using Airplay for the transport. Any further ideas are welcome, I think I have a good starting point. Thanks again, there's such a wealth of knowledge and technical expertise to draw on with this system, that's what keeps me interested and connected as need be. Cheers! Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=117101 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Suggestions for Squeezebox player replacement for a non-techie longtime SB user
No doubt my knowledge is incomplete or wrong, but here's what I understand: The current Chromecast Video dongle (a competitor to Roku, Firestick, etc) is a portal to connect streaming video sources (Netflix, Prime, Youtube TV, Hulu). Its output is HDMI, to connect to a TV. My legacy audio equipment doesn't have HDMI inputs. The discontinued Chromecast Audio device I referred to has a 3.5mm audio out socket that can be connected to an amp or powered speakers with analog RCA cables. Bluetooth has limited bandwidth not suitable for mid-level audio quality. Maybe you're suggesting using an HDMI to RCA converter, that could connect an HDMI signal (from the video Chromecast device) to RCA inputs in a powered speaker or amp? That's a wrinkle I hadn't thought of. Will that work satisfactorily? I see such converters on Amazon. Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=117101 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Suggestions for Squeezebox player replacement for a non-techie longtime SB user
I've been a Squeezebox user for a long time, dating back to my first player, an SB3, that I picked up in person at the Slim Devices office in Mountain View, CA. I've managed to buy a few spare players used through EBay, some of which have already been put into service. My "collection" is 4 devices in use at my primary residence and 2 at a second home. Thinking forward to the day when used players in reasonable condition will no longer be available, what recommendations are there for ersatz Squeezebox players that are convenient, have a small form factor, produce acceptable sound and are as close to plug and play as the originals? I don't want anything requiring a screwdriver, the assembly of parts (even if they come in a kit), the need for hands-on usage on my part of Linux anything, or the like. Is the easiest path forward simply something like a small Android device with the player app running and output through the headphones socket? Awkward but functional, something I could manage but maybe more than my wife would want to use regularly. Thanks in advance Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=117101 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Streaming source for small powered speakers - Touch vs SB Radio
I see, I get what you're saying. While I've spent my adult life in Silicon Valley (and picked up my first SB3 and a few other purchases at the Slim Devices office in Mountain View, and also discovered a former colleague working there on one visit), I'm not an engineer or any other kind of technical person. The thought of cobbling together a Linux-running device from even pre-configured components holds no interest for me. None. I wouldn't do it for myself, much less for someone else's use. As I said, I'll leave it up to my buddy to decide the approach he wants from the conventional choices. I have an old SB3 that I retired from active use some years ago due to erratic behavior. Maybe it's ready for prime-time again? I'll check it out and see if it wants to see daylight again. Thanks for the time to respond. Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109667 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Streaming source for small powered speakers - Touch vs SB Radio
garym wrote: > I'm confused. Did I not test something you wanted tested? Maybe I > misread something. I have a radio and it works fine as a bedroom player > through its internal speaker, including playing free Pandora. I don't > have a chromecast LMS setup or any powered speakers at home with the > radio to test anything else about it. > > edit: The Radio is fine for what it is. Sounds good for a desktop > radio in my bedroom or kitchen. My touch is connected as a player > through a major home AV system (not powered speakers) so sounds WAY > better than the radio with its internal speaker. If I was going to > obtain a squeezebox player for use to feed self-powered speakers, I'd > definitely go for the TOUCH. It's designed for this and the Radio is > not really designed for this. The recommendation of a Touch feeding > Audioengine A2s should sound fantastic. I use a pair of Audioengine A2s > at the office and they sound very nice and are plenty loud if needed. No but I think maybe I wasn't clear enough in an effort to be brief. I thought maybe someone had tried it or, failing that, with the right equipment could spend a few minutes moving stuff around to try it out and share the experience. At best, much of what's on the used market is 10 years old. Much of it can be older. I know my own SB equip is starting to show its age, it's a wonder it's all lasted as long as it has. I was trying to balance the purchase price risk vs functionality for my buddy. If a Radio works reasonably satisfactorily, it's likely to be a newer product and $100 less money on the table to buy something from a stranger. If people have found the sound not acceptable, then the choice is $35 for reasonable but incomplete functionality (Chromecast audio) or $150 to buy full functionality but something that might conk out in 6 months. I was looking for some direction and experience but failing that, I'll just let him decide. His money, his consequence. Thanks Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109667 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Streaming source for small powered speakers - Touch vs SB Radio
garym wrote: > Given that we're talking about music as alarms, low level listening, > etc. it seems to me that the easiest thing to do is use the Radio itself > and its built in speaker. Works fine for that sort of use. He'd said he wanted stereo and not mono, despite the modest system. The streaming he wants to do from time to time is in addition to playing his music collection. It's one of those things where I'm just trying to help someone out. Sorry I couldn't solicit your contribution with the piece of equipment you have that I don't. Thanks anyway Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109667 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Streaming source for small powered speakers - Touch vs SB Radio
garym wrote: > when I try to use free pandora to stream to a squeezelite player on my > laptop, I get the message that I must be a paid subscriber to stream to > this device. I don't have a chromecast device connected to test. My > suspicion is it will get the same message, but who knows Exactly, that's what I saw when I tried it with Squeezeplay on my PC. Any thoughts about using a Radio as a front end instead of a Touch for a low cost streaming solution? Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109667 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Streaming source for small powered speakers - Touch vs SB Radio
garym wrote: > note that I couldn't confirm whether free pandora would stream with a > chromecast device haha, I thought you did when you said "Yes. Free pandora will stream." I know it will to SB hardware because I do that myself but that was the secondary question I had to get answered. Okay, back to Plan B. I'll be seeing my friend with one I can try it out on in a few weeks so absent anyone else's thoughts, that should work. Thanks again for taking the time to help. Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109667 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Streaming source for small powered speakers - Touch vs SB Radio
Okay, thanks. I'll tell him to go ahead and pick up a Chromecast audio device. The gapless thing isn't an issue for me but I'm glad to better understand. I do have a few album that I think of as thematic or ongoing from song to song. Abbey Rd is one you've reminded me of. Tull's Thick as a Brick is another but the CD version is in two parts (vinyl front and back?) and isn't separated by tracks. I guess it's not something I've ever paid attention to. Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109667 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Streaming source for small powered speakers - Touch vs SB Radio
Does anyone know, will free Pandora stream from LMS---> a Chromecast audio device in the US? (I won't be seeing my friend to try it myself for a couple of weeks). Thanks Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109667 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Streaming source for small powered speakers - Touch vs SB Radio
If there are no other in-the-know responses, I have another friend who has an audio Chromecast, so I can take a laptop over to his house and see what happens with LMS before having my other friend buy the hardware. Yeah, it's cheap, but it'll let me know if the choice involves some use-compromise he should consider and he can decide what he wants. On your other comment, I've never fully understood the enthusiasm about gapless playback. Am I missing something about it? The next track starts as the other ends, with no gap, no brief moment of silence. Is that all it is? Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109667 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Streaming source for small powered speakers - Touch vs SB Radio
Yes, I'm considering that approach too. Any downsides to that? Is the sound quality at least to an SB Boom level? I thought I'd seen that free Pandora will not play to non-SB hardware ? Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109667 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Streaming source for small powered speakers - Touch vs SB Radio
I'm helping a friend set up a small SB location for his bedroom. For alarm, music at a soft setting, etc., Me, I already have an in-place and working multi-room SB home and all's well. Here's the question - a used SB Radio can be found for under $75. A used Touch is $150 or more. I understand the headphone jack on the Radio could function just fine as audio-out to small powered speakers. Or, the normal analog RCA outputs from a Touch of course work too. This is for a bedroom, not for a major listening location and not for profound enjoyment of high resolution music. Keeping in mind the intended usage, is there a substantial difference in sound quality to justify the extra cost of buying a Touch? Assume that the screen display doesn't matter and that input and control will be accomplished using a smartphone app. Thanks in advance for any thoughts you can share. Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109667 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pandora connection "Not Secure"?
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Re: [slim] Pandora connection "Not Secure"?
Okay, I looked at it a bit more (I'm a longtime user but I'm not an engineer or other techologist by any means) and it looks like it's telling me that the connection to the LMS "server" (on my home network) is insecure. Maybe this is a new caution in browsers or I just didn't notice it before. Thanks, I guess that's okay and normal. Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108952 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Pandora connection "Not Secure"?
I've noticed lately when using my SB devices to play Pandora, both when using 7.6.1 or if through a direct connection to Mysqueezebox.com, that the web interface (both with Firefox and Chrome) indicates an insecure connection. I don't listen to Pandora often and maybe this has been the case for awhile and I didn't previously notice it, I can't say. Is this something to be concerned about? Is there anything that I should do about it? Thanks Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108952 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Smart people will stay with Squeezebox
I forgot to ask: About 7.7, is it the same software with just a different name? Is it because 7.7 was set as the minimum version for the airplay plug-in that I don't see it shown on the plug-in list in the version I have? Thanks again. Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107925 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Smart people will stay with Squeezebox
I have Squeezebox Server on an always-on Lenovo nettop that they refer to as a "Tiny Desktop". The model is M53 (since renumbered in the product line) with Win 7. It also serves as the central point for network storage and backup with an external drive (that also contains the music files) and it's where the network printer is connected. The configuration dates back more than a decade to when printers weren't wireless and neither printers nor hard drives could be easily connected to routers. I've kept it the same way with hardware replacements because it's simple, it works, and I understand it. Before this I had an Asus EEE box, same idea. The problem with the Boom, which seems to have snapped out of the funk it was in for about a week, was that it dropped its Wifi connection and wouldn't reconnect. I have a very solid Wifi setup (Netgear Orbi and satellite) and the wireless signal strength where it's located has always been above 90%. I was just about to buy a cheap Wifi bridge antenna (to allow an ethernet connection to the Boom) when, in giving it one last chance, it decided all was forgiven and it would connect as per normal. So for now, it's okay. I'll keep in mind that it's repairable, that's good information too. It's used just a few times per week, it plays and operates as it did when new. Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107925 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Smart people will stay with Squeezebox
Oh boy, thanks guys. I guess I gave an unintended but clear demonstration of my ineptness. I didn't understand what was said. This second round of responses together with the first give me a much clearer view. Another dumb question then, so I can better understand Philippe's comment about airplay bridge. The active equipment I have is two Classic 3s, a Touch, and a Boom. (It's the Boom that seems to be dying and I'm thrilled to learn of the Audio Pro C5. Thank you!) I've stayed with Squeezebox Server version 7.6.1 just because it works fine and I'm not a tinkerer. If I switch to LMS to allow me to use the airplay bridge plug-in and maybe the Chromecast one too, will the functionality and appearance, and compatibility with Android and Apple apps I use to control the players, continue and be similar? Thanks again. Nothing like having experts available to help the feeble minded. Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107925 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Smart people will stay with Squeezebox
I appreciate the time spent to respond to my question. I know the SB user group has long been full of clever, very capable and resourceful people. Back when I was a more active visitor to the forum, I'd often see projects discussed that were well beyond anything I could understand, much less do myself. It looks like it's possible to produce player functionality but it involves putting together hardware pieces, doing linux setup steps, and interacting with a linux server going forward. No matter how simple for many, these are not things I have an interest in doing. I'll keep following this thread. My take away is that options are available but are not feasible to be accomplished by me. My best or maybe even only alternative may be to get Sonos equipment as my hardware dies. Thanks again, I sincerely appreciate the responses. Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107925 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Smart people will stay with Squeezebox
apesbrain said: "For about $100 one can snap together components readily available on Amazon and have a player just as capable as the original Logitech hardware. Can't beat that!" I'm a LONGTIME fan and user of the Squeezebox system, dating back to when I picked up my first product boxes at the Slim Devices office in Mountain View. I also used to be a regular visitor to these forums though I haven't been here for some years. Some of my well used hardware pieces (a couple of Classics, a Touch) are starting to show signs of mortality. I'm not technically oriented beyond what I could learn here years ago to set up, put together, and easily operate a life changing music system in my home. As my Squeezebox hardware pieces die and the few spares I accumulated follow the same fate, what alternatives do I have for hardware to remain within the Squeezebox world? Thanks Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107925 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Audible books on squeezebox?
Audible books play on Win and OSX machines, you could always play books on your PC and use waveinput to get it to your SB device. Audible is owned by Amazon. Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96393 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] the new Squeezebox products are good (because servers and linux are burnt toast)
Of these things - Have time, have curiousity about the device, have knowledge, don't have money, I think at least three of the four need to apply before it makes sense to try one of these plug units. Otherwise, why bother? You can easily find cheap nettops with Windows that'll run all month for less than the price of a beer, depending on your electricity rates. For some, it's less than the price of a coffee. How much cheaper than that does it need to be? mortslim, you've been a longtime devotee of the streaming music services. Most people share your view, while a smaller group thinks of them as nothing more than today's version of Muzak. To the second group, these sites provide low quality background music, hopefully inoffensively, not suitable for serious listening. I'm in that second group, and I'll always continue to buy CDs to add to the collection I listen to daily. I think one of the problems with SB's business model was that the system seems to have been originally designed for people like me, but there are far many people like you. The linux thing is peripheral, you obviously can use the products with any OS you want. But the world wants plug and play, that's where the market opportunity is. Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] A big THANK YOU to everyone
I want to express my Thank You to everyone who contributed over the years to the creation and development of the Squeezebox product line. I was looking for CD changers/jukebox type arrangements and had found nothing suitable, then I found you. It was love at first sight. Your system changed my life and my home in ways and to an extent I never could have imagined. I think some people are deserving of special thanks. The names I know are ones who have had the most visibility here, like Michael, Andy, Ben, (and I'm sorry, I know there are others). These guys all cared enough to keep working hard to improve the products and system capabilities under less than ideal circumstances. We've all greatly benefited from that. In their spare time (that's a joke), they also worked to help present the right kind of company-to-user interactions, of a kind that probably wouldn't have happened otherwise. They always were helpful in dealing with some of SB's most enthusiastic users, those here in these forums. They all also have done everything possible to keep carrying the flag forward under what's likely been very difficult and frustrating circumstances, even while seemingly taking friendly fire to do so. Then there were the multitudes of others, those who made contributions from outside the company and remained outside. People like Erland, Pippin, bpa, and many others (again sorry for names omitted) whose passions sparked ideas and capabilities that so many have come to rely upon and enjoy. Also, there were so many of y'all who funneled your SB enthusiasm into providing the company testing and feedback help. I've got my spare units and multiple backup copies of server software squirreled away, I should be able to maintain the status quo I want for many years to come. I'd like to say one last thanks to all of you and good luck and best wishes for the future. Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96322 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Just 5 years and a bit less than 2 month Logitech has acquired Slim Devices
Don't get too sentimental about your SB3s if you haven't heard the superior sound of a Touch through your sound system. If you're using an external DAC, then I guess it's mostly a UI matter and not so substantive a difference. I'm still using my SB3s in other rooms, but I'll happily replace them when they die (assuming there are Touches on the market to buy at that time). -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92232 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Vortexbox questions
agillis;675004 Wrote: The point of having a Linux based appliance is you don't have to tinker with program like msconfig to get the system to run fast and reliable. I've used an EEE box with Win for several years as a music and network server, it's been reliable and trouble free for the most part. Should problems arise, Windows information is widely available in non-technical language. Msconfig is about the only tinkering I've ever found necessary (after 20+ years as a windows user). It's simple to use and any changes can be done in seconds. I don't think the same is true for a rookie linux user, for whom something as simple as installing a program or update, or attaching a new drive, can suddenly become a mystery. agillis;675004 Wrote: When you think about a Linux appliance thing about your Linksys home router (Linux based). A small Windows machine would make a great router using internet home sharing. But why would you want to mess with that when there are dedicated Linux appliances like a Linksys router that are much easier to set up and use. Sorry, this is a poor analogy. Many purpose-built devices run linux variants because that's what embedded software tools are now oriented to. And people with requisite programming skiils are widely available. Not all that long ago, before linux had been ported to so many microprocessors, embedded software tools were often microprocessor specific and produced machine language code. At that time, you surely didn't use that as a reason to recommend that. It's good there are choices, people can choose what works best for them. But be fair - PC users need to be able to add and subtract hardware and software, and in that regard linux isn't usually described as friendly and suitable for the consumer market. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91992 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Vortexbox questions
pski;675091 Wrote: Brrrp! AKA a fart sound. Linux works beautifully and with far less hardware resources than winders. The same time spent learning Linux will result in a far greater understanding than the same time investment in other less sophisticated operating system. I think the term is zenophobe. Try google.com/linux with such questions as start up Like most people, I'm not interested in learning about an operating system. I'd get more bang from the buck from learning more about some of the apps I need to use, like Word or Excel. But I'm not interested in learning more about them either. Linux's lack of acceptance among PC users is because people are happy to pay for the simplicity and ease of use they get from the MS and Apple products. These products don't need to be better, and I'll accept what (I think) is your view that they're inferior. It doesn't matter, perception wins out. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91992 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox receiver cutting out..very frustrated..
My suggestion, first try the one easiest thing to check. Toby covers it but it's a bit buried in his comprehensive response. The problem could be as simple as interference from a neighbor's Wifi using the same channel you're using. Check what signals are visible in your home. If you see other signals, set yours to the channel (1,6 or 11)with the weakest signal level from neighboring systems that you perceive. If that doesn't help, try Toby's other suggestions. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91998 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rhapsody to buy Napster
By one measure (going public) Pandora has been the most successful of the bunch. But after something like 10 years, it still hasn't made a cent (or a penny, pfennig or sou). Outward signs are that privately owned Rhapsody has done no better, since Real spun it off and reduced its ownership. Maybe this space is just another of the many internet business ideas that in concept seemed to be an opportunity to make money, but turned out to be a otherwise. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90703 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Vortexbox questions
Ikabob;673993 Wrote: Thanks for all the great information from all above. Thanks for taking the time to help me make a wise choice. Not sure yet though. If you don't have a technical background, you might be better off sticking to the more consumer-friendly choices - Win or Apple OS. Even some true techies I know stay away from Linux at home, saying there aren't any compelling advantages that warrant the risk of the potential problems (when there are others in the house who need to use it). I did a quick search and found many choices of nettop-type PCs with Windows for up to $100 less than what you've considering, with an internal HD that would hold 3X your current collection. Look for EEE box or Acer for examples, and there are many others. If your collection grows 3X, you can add an external USB drive. They're cheap. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91992 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Vortexbox questions
Ikabob;674030 Wrote: Thanks Goodsounds. I have a nice pc attached but it takes forever to load up cds. Not sure what you mean by this. Win machines tend to accumulate a lot of garbage settings that delay boot-up. Google Run msconfig to see how to adjust Startup settings. There's a lot of stuff (Google, Chrome, Quicktime, Winamp, Adobe, Real and on and on) that decides without asking you that it should be loaded when you turn on your machine. It's mostly unnecessary and time consuming, uncheck those boxes and you can often cut boot-up time in half. Doing so also frees up memory to allow your machine to run apps faster. If you're unclear whether a particular file is essential or not, google the name to find out what it does. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91992 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rhapsody to buy Napster
pippin;673612 Wrote: Doesn't really matter over here since - due to Gema - more or less none are available in Germany. OK, there's simfy living off heavy subsidies from German Telekom, let's see for how long... But if the current trend continues (as seen with Google Music, iTunes Match,...) we will probably see more and more stuff being only available in the US and Europe only showing up much later and even then only on a country-by-country basis starting in the easy regions like UK or Scandinavia where there is less political influence on music business. As I understand it, one of the obstacles is the fragmentation of rights administration, it's country by country. No centralized way to get European rights, so the effort is directed to where the most ears are available for the least effort and cost. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90703 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rhapsody to buy Napster
pippin;673616 Wrote: The good thing about all these services is that at the rate they are making losses you - as a customer - are heavily subsidized in your music consumption by VCs sinking money into this business. But it's just another reason why jo-wie is right: you need to support them all... If you take the example of Pandora, its subscription revenue is peanuts. Most of what it gets is from advertising. But I guess Google demonstrates there's nothing wrong with that, so long as what Pandora gets continues to grow. Personally, I think, the subscription model is DOA. Many people suffer from monthly subscription fatigue, and it's a tough sell to get people to pay for something when there exist similar and free alternatives. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90703 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Thank you Slim Devices.
maggior;671164 Wrote: My sentiments exactly. All of them get used on a regular basis - myself and my family really enjoy our music. The advent of iOS and Andriod controlling apps has really enhaced the experience. So yes, thank you Slim Devices...and also Logitech for bringing the squeezebox into standard retail channels and widening the exposure of the product line. Ditto, ditto, and ditto. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91687 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech drops Revue, says early Google TV intro a 'mistake'
andyg;669377 Wrote: And yes, the pendulum seems to be swinging back to Logi being interested in Squeezebox again. That's good news! -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91532 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New podcasts in Ben's Picks
I'll just use names, not links, since people use so many different ways to get them (iTunes, podcatchers, etc) Betty in the Sky With A Suitcase PRI's The World in Words NPR Car Talk (a very funny radio show I never remember to listen to during its broadcast time) Spycast, from the International Spy Museum in Wash DC NY Times Tech Talk -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91472 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The next streaming music solution from Logitech
garym;662944 Wrote: no, and they never (well almost never) make anything public until it is official. I'm not sure there's any difference between making something public and making it official. Maybe you mean that they mostly don't announce new products until soon before they announce a forthcoming release date. That's the same thing most companies do most of the time. Limited exceptions, like when some car companies (for competitive purposes) announced electric models for some years down the road. But those same car companies don't telegraph their periodic significant model changes much in advance. If at all. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90911 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezeCommander 0.9 for Android
Bluegaspode and Pippin, your comments about the financial aspects of the app are irrelevant. Who cares what the tax rates are or what other expenses he has? People are buying an app, not a share of his company. How much or how little money he makes is his issue. Businesses fail all the time, just usually not in this way. I'm sure a big part of his starting the project was, like you guys, the challenge/fun of it. But whether it's been a great success or a dud is nobody's concern. The people this guy is screwing are the ones who paid to contribute to his success. I think this guy's disloyalty to the community that supported him is sad. Just some minimal Not enough business, good bye, good luck would have been enough. He should pull it from the Android Marketplace if he's decided to move on. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezeCommander 0.9 for Android
mherger;661294 Wrote: The so-called scrolling bug on the free app isn't a simple inconvenience, it's debilitating. To be polite, it makes the free app completely useless on some hardware. There doesn't seem to have been an update in 6 months, notwithstanding numerous complaints about it being broken. Please test the pre-release build you can find here: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17528 I'm trying to get this out asap. -- Michael I'm a non-technical person. I'd be willing to pitch in, but would need more clear instructions on how to load it on my phone (which does seem to allow non-Marketplace programs). -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezeCommander 0.9 for Android
mherger;661294 Wrote: The so-called scrolling bug on the free app isn't a simple inconvenience, it's debilitating. To be polite, it makes the free app completely useless on some hardware. There doesn't seem to have been an update in 6 months, notwithstanding numerous complaints about it being broken. Please test the pre-release build you can find here: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17528 I'm trying to get this out asap. -- Michael The scrolling function seems to work properly now. I tried it on various screens - Albums, Genres, Playlists, Music Folder, current playlist, all the places where before it was unreadable worked normally. I'm very pleased, it should be quite usable and useful now. (Thanks to Jeff for answering what I guess was a dumb question, on how to install it) I did find one bit of erratic behavior. What I did was to scroll through different listings, as above, and then added various things to the current playlist. I then attempted to save that new current playlist, as a playlist, using the command to do so at the bottom of current playlist. The screen changed properly, but when I touched the input field for the keyboard to appear, the input area at the top started dancing up and down. It disappeared into the upper edge of the display, then dropped down to reappear, then back up, etc. The keyboard didn't move. I was able to enter the new playlist name. When the keyboard was retracted, the dancing stopped. The Playlist was saved in the proper folder on the Win XP PC running SBS. My phone is an HTC Incredible 2. Thank you for your work on this. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezeCommander 0.9 for Android
pippin;660831 Wrote: With the free Logitech App out there I don't think there really is a growing market The so-called scrolling bug on the free app isn't a simple inconvenience, it's debilitating. To be polite, it makes the free app completely useless on some hardware. There doesn't seem to have been an update in 6 months, notwithstanding numerous complaints about it being broken. Maybe Logitech has decided to simply leave it as is and not fix it. Too bad if so. So what to do with both the hardware manufacturer's free app and the functionality leader's one (Squeeze Commander) both seemingly abandoned? Maybe the only solution is to buy an I-Thing and use Ipeng? -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezeCommander 0.9 for Android
pippin;661159 Wrote: Oh. I thought Michael posted already a few weeks ago that he had an update and was looking for beta testers for his fix for the scrolling issue? What happened to that? That would be good news if true. I can't say I follow things here that closely. I'd think there is market potential to the extent of all the new Droid sales each month. But I don't know for sure. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezeCommander 0.9 for Android
Jeff Flowerday;661155 Wrote: Squeezecommander works for me, just can't download flacs from the server so I'll keep using it until it doesn't work. Can't go back to an iPhone, now that I've tasted the Android Koolaid. Yeah, I just got one last month myself. The anticipation of doing so is what drew me to this thread, to figure out what to use. Even with the modest cost of Squeeze Commander, I can't in good conscience buy it to provide support for someone who seems to have just disappeared. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezeCommander 0.9 for Android
pippin;660231 Wrote: No, I'd really tend to believe he's probably still very busy with his new-born son and moving into his new home. When a store or business closes for a period of time, or for good, there's usually some communication of what customers should expect. It's too bad that the guy didn't feel the need to spend 5 minutes to do something like that on his website. I hope nothing is seriously wrong with him. In the absence of that (which would make his disappearance understandable), one can only wonder. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] wireless vodoo
Powerline adapters can be sensitive to the condition and topology of your house's electrical wiring. Buy them from someplace that accepts returns, they don't always work successfully. As alternatives, you could also try using a range extender (Wifi repeater) or running a network cable between floors to set up an access point. Place your transmitter in such a way that you minimize the number of walls or solid things the signal needs to pass through. Signals often pass though floors better than walls. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90640 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best Android Squeezebox app - opinions?
gruntwolla;659033 Wrote: As for the app being orphaned - who knows? It's still supported at the moment. This would be great news, if true. What are you basing your comment on? The guy seems to have been AWOL for some months now. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90494 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezeCommander 0.9 for Android
I'm wondering if this project is showing signs of being orphaned? He dropped off the radar screen for several months with no advance warning, popped back up for one quick posting, and then went away again for what's now been another two weeks. I hope not, but, hmmm. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] My story of picking betamax...
For transport of music as with most things, there's no one solution to meet all needs. My SB assemblage (now consisting of 2 SB3s, a Boom, and a Touch) has been rock-solid and trouble free for years. A friend who lives nearby has never gotten his system stabilized. Another friend had a Sonos system and replaced it out of frustration. Others I know with Sonos systems are satisfied. Everyone is different, every situation is different. It's not unusual to have to try different approaches until you find what works for you. Good luck. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89411 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Free AVG Anti Virus Software
I spent many years of bouncing between free choices with varying luck (AVG once bricked a PC after quarantining a key Win file). About six months ago I bought Norton with multi-PC licenses and can't believe the difference. I'm very happy with the resulting performance and capabilities. Their tech support is great and I've had far fewer problems of use that with the others, and I tried most of them. I'm not sure what I thought I was accomplishing by avoiding the ones with a license fee, the cost was very modest. Even if the renewal is more, I'll gladly pay it. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88945 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NAS -- Basic Guidance Appreciated
howie.stone;638171 Wrote: Hi everyone Right now I'm using a S/B classic with all my music files stored on an external Samsung 1.5 TB Hard drive, with the S/B server running on my desktop computer. I'm thinking of changing to a NAS. But I have some basic questions. I. Is it a good idea? 2. Which brand (I can see there's an old thread which recommends Vortexbox) 3. How easy is it to set up? (I'm not really a techie) 4. How do you do backup? 5. Will I still be able to use the advanced search feature in the S/B server? 6. How does it all wire up? Wired link to the computer and wirelessly to the S/B? Cheers for any help Howie Unless you have a curiosity to learn something new, or have endless time to spend to fix broken things you don't understand or have experience with, I'm not sure why you would consider running SBS on anything besides a Win or Mac machine. If you're looking to reduce power consumption, there are lots of cheap, low power Win PCs that are pretty hard to beat. Also, you can turn it off or put it to sleep when not in use. Off is a pretty low power drain. A lot of the techies in the community have had fun spending hours/days to get the software to run on new hardware platforms (like NAS devices and plugs) but those approaches seem unsuitable for the general population who would rather spend that same time listening to music or doing something else. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88501 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 4 out of 5 devices stopped connecting
Do the non-working classics still not work if plugged in using the power supply of the one that works? Could you have had a power surge that fried these devices? Could the problem be the router? Do other network-connected things work fine? -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88507 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NAS -- Basic Guidance Appreciated
rgro;638247 Wrote: Good points, all. I'll point out that I got tired of dealing with those same sleep/wakeup issues that have all been well-chronicled here. If I wanted to have music when I (or Mrs. rgro) wanted it, I pretty much had to leave the host PC on all the time. Every time I allowed it to go to sleep or shut it off, it was a PITA to get everything going again just to listen to music. I've been quite happy with my Vortexbox Appliance and I am a total tech numpty. Plus, the Vortexbox Appliance also comes with a built-in auto-ripper. So, ripping CD's to flac is as easy as putting the disc in and waiting 'till it's done (tagging and art is, however, always another story no matter what hardware/operating system combo one uses!) The machine I use for SBS has other tasks and is used by others in the house. We are all tech numpties too (nice phrase). We collectively know the minimum required to deal with normal issues and know people to call who can help us with Win and Mac problems. Sounds like your choice works for you as well as ours does for us, that's what matters. Happy listening! -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88501 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Slacker Premium Radio
MeSue;637853 Wrote: Yeah, it's pretty sad. I don't want to see my beloved Squeezeboxes languish into extinction, but it's not looking good lately... I'm sure the premium subscriptions y'all have are important to you, but I don't think most people find the SB interface with such things to be mission critical. It's outwardly clear they're trying to get by with reduced resources. Wouldn't you rather the internal effort be spent on basic functions, reliability, easy of use, etc., that will enhance broad appeal of the product? That would be my preference. I think the enhancements with broadest applicability will do the most to help the product line survive. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87771 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What The **** Do I Need?
MrSinatra;636359 Wrote: considering that there's probably 1000 times more itunes installs than SBS ones, i think its safe to say that as a percentage, they exp less - overall Fixed it for you. Itunes users, those are the people who've been paying $300+ for portable music players for the last umpteen years and who think that 128k mp3 files sound just fine on their home music/stereo systems. They're numerous, but I don't give much weight to what they do or don't experience or think. You shouldn't either. Itunes has to be the single most annoying piece of software I've encountered. It's inflexible, unconfigurable, and it changes settings on your PC without asking. More than just the obvious ones. I think people who use Itunes deserve Itunes. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88215 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone tried both Android and iPeng? Which do you prefer, why?
Compare like to like, iphone to droid phone or itouch/ipad to droid tablet or various wifi-capable devices that aren't phones. Droid and i-phones seem to me to be more similar than different in basic operations. The Apple platform has been around longer and has had a large customer base longer, so there are more apps. Droid devices are outselling iphones now and the universe of available apps is growing quickly. The Droid interface with gmail and other Google services has been smoother and more capable than the same with Apple devices, in case that matters to you. I have experience with SB apps on both platforms and frankly they too seem more similar than different. I can't say I prefer either. If you need a phone, either will be the Swiss Army knife you're looking for. If you don't need a phone but are looking for just a wifi remote capability, I don't think the choice matters other than price. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88293 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sean and Dean - We Want You Back!
garym;635818 Wrote: The mass market does have a way of dummying things down (before anyone yells at me, ..I have a transporter, but I do love my TOUCHes (and radios, booms)). Years ago, Lotus123 was much more sophisticated than MS Excel, but the corporate offices all moved to Excel. Harvard Graphics was much better than PowerPoint, but the suits liked MS. WordPerfect in its heyday was much better than WORD. But again, MS WORD won the day... I agree, but I'm not sure how that sentiment applies in this space. Are you predicting the Apple approach will win for that reason? I don't think so, there's no need for a standard, actual or de facto, as with desktop software. I also find there's enough anti-Apple sentiment around (as I raise my hand) to provide more than enough opportunity for others. I disagree with those of you who are grousing. These products work well time after time, year after year. A great system at an affordable price. Like you, I wish there were more outward signs of robust product development, support for the remaining internal crew manning the bucket brigade, and a higher profile in the market. Even without those positive signs, we can use and enjoy our stuff for years to come as is. I also don't think this niche will be run off the road by media center/Popcorn Hour type things. From what I've seen, those things are REALLY too complicated for non-techie users who have a lot of other things they want to do with their free time. Those things are a solution in search of a problem. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87951 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sean and Dean - We Want You Back!
garym;635821 Wrote: just rambling thoughts mostly related to the notion of having a smaller market of more devoted users. It's hard, maybe impossible, to continue in existence with a shrinking market of devoted users but a mass market price. As between a small group of fanatical and astute customers or a larger buyer group of mostly mass market ninnies, most companies would choose the second without much deliberation. It may be why some of the things some power users moan about don't get addressed by the company. WIth limited resources, they need to fix the things that matter most to the largest number of users and potential customers. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87951 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sean and Dean - We Want You Back!
w3wilkes;635363 Wrote: Come on, in October it will be 5 years since Logitech bought Slim. I doubt you could have a infinite non-compete clause that would hold up in any court. And has Logitech really taken the Slim Device line up anywhere beyond where Slim was when Logitech acquired it? I made my comment in response to the aspect of your comment I quoted that I disagreed with. It wasn't intended to address the specific situation with this company and its few key principals. In most acquisitions it's important to tie up key personnel one way or another for some period, so that they don't set up shop across the street and hire the employees. That was done in this case partially with a contingent earn-out provision that ran a few years. (The contract was publicly released because of Logitech's status as an SEC registrant). The transition having past, and with technology confidentiality and non-use provisions, it's likely the few concerned are now free to pursue other things that might be competitive but without use of the technology owned by Logitech. They may have already started their next adventure. The way to get around the non-compete problem when the permitted exceptions don't apply is to give such people employment contracts that pay an appropriate salary, require exclusivity (can't pursue other employment or compete with the company), and then tell them to stay home. Perfectly acceptable under the law. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87951 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sean and Dean - We Want You Back!
w3wilkes;633388 Wrote: Also if the new company were established in the state of California Logitech would find it very difficult to enforce a non-compete clause of any type. Nah, it's not so simplistic. More relevant is where the company is conducting business and where the employee has lived and wishes to work. w3wilkes;633388 Wrote: California, under most circumstances, has invalidated non-compete clauses. In cases of key employee/founders, the case you are referring to indirectly is easily and legally circumvented to get the same result using a different form. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87951 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pioneer Airplay
mherger;628224 Wrote: s/Open Office/Squeezebox Server/... the big problem there is that no two of those users use the same 10%. What is important for A is absolutely unnecessary for B. To find a balance is the big challenge. (I used to be active in the StarOffice community back in the 90ies, when it was still a little German community :-)) I hear what you're saying. But if you think about it in an A/V setting, three things: On/off - Volume - Content source or selection - account for most of what people do. My point was that I don't think buying decisions are much influenced by apps. If you want to listen to music and you walk into the room, are you going to push some buttons on the front panel or IR remote, or go look for your Touch or Pad and then wait for it to boot up so you can use the app? I don't think people who want to sit on the couch and play with an app represent a large portion of potential buyers. But I do see it as a potential marketing defensive measure, if your company produces a product that has several competitors, you don't want to be the only one that DOESN'T have an app. But I do think few care about app features. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pioneer Airplay
MrSinatra;628152 Wrote: the main thing that caught my eye was the app in the video. if thats the kind of app that comes with a receiver, slim's ot some worrying to do. I don't think most hardware buying choices are ultimately swayed by whether or not a device app is available. Many users find IR remotes or even using knobs and buttons to be quick and easier for the initial turn-on and set up when in the room where the equipment is. Gizmo fans and techies like to play with apps but a large part of the market prefers simplicity. Some apps I've seen are like very complex remotes and remind me of MS or Open Office-type software. 90% of the users use just 10% of the features and find the presence of the other 90% confusing and unnecessary. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87202 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Amazon Cloud Player
aubuti;621857 Wrote: And there's no setting, other than the power button on the Boom (or the Boom's remote). On two different Win PCs I've used, WOL was disabled as the default setting. The Wiki WOL page described what needed to be done, it took me longer to find the right information than it ultimately took to make the changes indicated. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86662 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Amazon Cloud Player
likescookies;621814 Wrote: Playing music from the Amazon cloud makes a lot of sense to me. There are times when I'd like to listen to an album that I own but don't want the hassle of going and waking up the computer so the Boom can stream from it. The Amazon system would solve that. With a simple one-time setup (simple for even a tech dummy like me), you leave your PC at sleep instead of off and then when you want to listen, the Boom (or any other SB) wakes your PC when you turn it on. It's very easy and works consistently. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86662 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BIG ANGRY BEEF, buggy upgrade install process, SBS/SBR
ghostrider;612791 Wrote: You have been around a long time and knew that at least one controller is required to setup the receiver. You felt that a workaround existed and that you had the experience to manage the situation, alas this is not true. The receiver is sold as a standalone offering to expand existing Duet configurations, not as a cheap entry option. I'm glad that Logitech allocates its development resources supporting valid configurations and features instead of wasting time on those that don't follow the rules. Try that at Sonos and see what happens. Well put. The SB folks have developed a system that most of us enjoy daily. Not all of the product offerings are as terrific as others are. The Duet may be the most problematic for users (though I guess Radio also has its issues too). I think OP's view, that losing setup parameters when upgrading is a flaw, is reasonable. It can be dealt with, it can be avoided, but not in the way he wants to do it. To be so obstinate to continue pursuing what for him is a failed strategy rather than multiple easily available successful alternatives is something I don't understand. Save yourself the pain, OP. Restrict your upgrades to visits when you've remembered to bring the controller. It ain't that complicated. Have a beer, scream an explitive because of the annoyance of having to set it up again, and move on. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85793 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BIG ANGRY BEEF, buggy upgrade install process, SBS/SBR
According to your sig line, you have a controller at your house. Why don't you take it along when you go to your parents' house? Why update when there's no need? Why not buy another controller that you leave there? Along with the suggestions you've gotten from others, it seems you have a lot of ways to avoid having a problem. I think it's completely understandable that Logitech has not facilitated setup without having the complete system. After all, they sell hardware. You can have a permanent fix by not continuing to use their product in an unintended and unsupported way. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85793 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] No more free last.fm on the SB!
iPhone;610212 Wrote: And yes that makes perfect sense if NetFlix's business model is changing and they want to force it, profits be damned. As I understand it, Netflix' customers' preferences are shifting to more streaming and fewer physical disks. There's been lots written about this in the press. Assuming there aren't royalty rate differences, that's cheaper for the company too. I'm not I understand your comment. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85478 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] IPv6 Support
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53800 Question: Should IPv6 be supported? - Yes - No - I Don't Really Care - What Is IPv6 Anyway? pski;608114 Wrote: This is blatantly false. Blatantly false is a euphemism for bullshit. Overreact much? Hope the guy's comment didn't ruin your month. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53800 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Elton John concert steaming in FLAC !!!!
Fozzy- Yes, the voice. I don't know anything about proximity effect other than to understand you're saying it's the equipment? Plenty of his contemporaries have long since lost their singing voices, I thought maybe it was a voice change thing going on. No need for me to split it, I didn't like it enough to want to keep it, but thanks anyway for sharing the info you have. Norderney= I played it using Foobar. I presume if a program can play a file it should be able to convert it too? I'm not a technical type, so maybe that's a dumb assumption. But Foobar has a pretty extensive file conversion capability, including into FLAC, so give it a try. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83551 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Slacker won't work anymore
It's been fine for me, but I don't listen to it much. 30 minutes at a time, a few times a week. On a boom and occasionally on a touch. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83139 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Elton John concert steaming in FLAC !!!!
I took a quick listen to one of the files, it's a bit too muddy for my taste. I wonder if that's how he likes himself to sound or if the equipment was just patched together and that's how it came out. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83551 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Enjoying your music from another place
Nice of you spend the time to describe these instructions, though something tells me that the people who are inclined to do this may not need the help. I have a consistently functioning system of SB devices, but I'm decidedly non-technical. Any explanation that goes much beyond 3 lines loses my interest. If I want to listen to music elsewhere, I grab a smartphone, an Ipod or a USB drive. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83517 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Configuring QOS for Internet Radio
Most internet radio sources stream at a quality level that is rather undemanding of bandwidth. I don't know that much about it, but I can't imagine that prioritizing internet radio as among competing uses is going to do much. What problem(s) are you experiencing that you think this will cure? -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83025 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hail Mary time for Logitech with its Google TV?
MrSinatra;584019 Wrote: sorry, but as an american, that offends my way of thinking. thats pure fatalism. in america, we don't normally cede ANYTHING to our competitors. we fight. we may not win, but we try. As an American, I find this comment completely bizarre. Sorry. You should give it a rest. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82366 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hail Mary time for Logitech with its Google TV?
MrSinatra;584039 Wrote: america is a capitalistic country, that promotes innovation and competition and entrepreneurialism, and thus confidence in your own ability to compete and win. sorry, erlands view is fatalism, its the view of a pessimist, and it should not be logitechs view EVEN IF erland is right about logitech (which i agree he probably is), b/c that view is deeply unamerican, imo. and anyway, i was saying logitech should have been first to the market to begin with. my whole beef is that i think they knew they could do this, and have been first, but they decided to cede it, which to me, is crazy. The prefix Un can mean not. Indeed Erland is unamerican, he's Swedish (sorry if I got that wrong). Logitech is unamerican too, it's a Swiss company. You can agree or disagree with what Logitech is doing, that's fine, that's what everyone here has an interest in. Your comments will be more credible without the false and pseudo patriotic platitudes that the non-Americans (and many Americans too) probably find to be only laughable. The one area where the US may have a monopoly is our tendency to be overly doctrinaire and naive. Otherwise, the world is flat, as Thomas Friedman would say. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82366 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Classic and obsolescence
amey01;576349 Wrote: It may happen, but you can rest assured there'd be outcry if it was attempted. Most businesses cut off support of superceded products. Any reason to think it would or should be otherwise for Logitech? Guarantees of future compatibility are rarely provided. That it has been done to this point with this product line is pretty unique. amey01;576349 Wrote: The open/compatible nature of the Squeezebox ecosystem is one of the primary things that makes the product appeal to most people. No doubt it's important to many customers, but I'd bet that most (your word) couldn't explain what open means. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81961 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Classic and obsolescence
Hi Non. You're right, status quo is status quo. But sometimes new software versions can't be avoided when new hardware requires it. My point was, it's not hard to guess what would get tossed overboard if support of older products conflicted with needed changes for new stuff. Or, if doing so drained resources needed for higher priority tasks. But nothing would stop anyone from continuing to use what they have, as is. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81961 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 5 year old Squeezebox2: working but silent
toby10;572095 Wrote: ...(whilst continuing to hold down the one button) 1 = Xilinx :( Whilst? What part of Ohio are you from, Sussex? ;-) -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81500 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Boom on the Horizon?
The past few years have been tumultuous. Product completion and release delays, supply disruptions (which are still ongoing), etc. I wonder what the after-the-fact internal conclusions and action points are, if any? Or, are we looking at orphans, products lacking champions within the grand scheme of things at Logitech? On the embedded linux comment, people who have expertise and experience in such matters tell me that most companies are agnostic concerning which embedded OS's to use in products. Decisions are made based on many factors, including cost and timing considerations. Cost can involve many things, including development resources, specialized needs of the software, costs of tools and licenses, etc. Embedded linux can often be the right choice, and oftentimes not. If there were people who worked for nothing to make free construction-grade lumber available for construction, many houses would be build using it. It wouldn't have to be better than other choices if it were free, because good enough is often all that is needed. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81045 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where are your CDs?
ModelCitizen;562281 Wrote: So you are suggesting that CDs should not be passed on? My CDs would become landfill as soon as have ripped them then. As someone who hates waste I am much less happy with this solution than I am with passing them on! I cannot agree with your sentiments about the dwindling amount of recorded music. There's absolutely massess around, and more every second of every day.. hardly any produced on that wasteful and inefficient medium ultimately destined for landfill, the CD though. Maybe you're just not looking in the right place. If you're concerned with waste, buy downloads. You don't need to agree with my comments about declining music output and financial issues for performers and production companies. It's not my opinion, check out your favorite news source or have a conversation with any performing musician. Any one will tell you the same story, there's little or no money to be made producing albums. Even for those who self-produce and distribute. If you're happy with your own smug rationalization, fine. Your logic doesn't work for me. If you're a music fan, as I said before, it's wrong to assume that the problem is someone else's concern. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80369 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where are your CDs?
ModelCitizen;562204 Wrote: No disrespect here at all Phil but you people are so damn squeaky clean. CDs are impractical (almost useless), take up valuable space, collect dust and just have to go... and some stupid little impractical law that stands no chance of ever being enforced in my house is just not worth a second of my thought. I think I'm pretty normal, but compared to you lot I seem to be something of a renegade. MC I don't see it as a moral or enforcement issue but rather a practical one. Under the current state of play, the creation of new recorded music is not a financially viable activity. That's why so many fewer new recordings are being produced these days. The recorded music business will continue to wilt, and perhaps die, unless the problem is solved. It would be great if everyone who likes recorded music would obtain what they want through normal commercial channels and avoid facilitating others not doing likewise. Don't assume the solution is someone else's concern. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80369 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What product you'd like to see next
I would like to see continued progress to improve sound quality (as was done with Touch) and improve the user experience. Some of what I would like might run counter to some of the other comments made. I think simplifying and reducing customization options, streamlining menu trees, cleaning up the more troublesome and nagging software problems, etc., will make the products more broadly attractive. And more successful. I think the days of courting former Heathkit customers are long gone, there just aren't enough of you guys around to warrant the attention. I'm concerned whether anyone's wish list will be achieved, given the staffing reductions and turnover. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78465 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Serious question about current quality
herbman;536113 Wrote: I guess my primary concern is that I seem to get some willies about depending on a squeezeplay device, since everything seems so shaky right now. I know with the boom i'd get my reliable and familiar experience, but the newer features of the GUIs tempt. I get the willies thinking about having to listen to music through a device that arguably was obsoleted 5 years ago. For many people, the relevant quality factor is sound quality. While you've been waiting on the sidelines, many increasingly capable and excellent versions of these devices have provided great service to a lot of people. The product you have would be unacceptable to most people these days. I'm not sure what you're waiting for and frankly I suspect it's not so clear to you either. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77447 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Serious question about current quality
No hostility intended. Snarly's response captures my thoughts. You realize that the device you are holding with a death grip is little more than a proof-of-concept prototype that was developed by a seat of the pants, under-financed start-up. The DACs and other components have in stages been seriously upgraded and enhanced, the firmware significantly improved, the capabilities expanded immeasurably. You're using current server versions, you get that, but you're passing the sound through two cans connected by a length of string. You'll enjoy any current product you buy and will find them to be (almost) trouble-free. Mine have been trouble free, but I understand everyone has a different setup and different experiences. It's nothing to have concern about, and that is coming from someone (me) who is not a techie person. I've seen guys out surfing who pass on most waves and just keep waiting for the perfect wave. It never comes. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77447 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech
DaveWr;525905 Wrote: The real problem for those that follow these forums, is that there is no Logitech involvement. What remains is a small, very committed bunch of ex Slim Devices employees, trying their best. but where is the steering comments of Logitech business management - the equivalent of Sean or Dean coments / actions. In this vacuum, rumours expand, change. Sales and support messages / actions are not aligned with the Logitech developers that post on these Forums. In this climate, the loyal customer base starts to question the future commitment, but even then no Logitech management comment. Dave Do you know of other companies of similar size (to Logitech) where corporate execs are active in product forums? I'm asking, I don't know. I can see how company-hosted product forums could be a real mixed bag. Many companies don't bother. I realize it was in place at the time of the SD purchase, but that doesn't mean it continues forever. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76286 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Who or what is Osama?
I believe he works in tech support. Many forum visitors don't understand that these forums are not intended for tech support communications. Looking at some of Osama's recent posts, he's trying to direct people to the normal tech support channels for help with their problems. I found your comments to be unnecessarily harsh. His actions and comments are likely what he has been directed to do. How do you like it when someone at work who knows mostly nothing about what you do, or how you do it, offers unknowledgeable criticism? I'd suggest that's what you've done. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75112 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng on iPad?
Apple has produced a lot of innovative products over the years. That momentum, and their understanding of how to create buzz, have made Ipods and iphones huge hits that buried the competition. Ipad may be more likely to be a yawner. The reports I've seen so far suggest many view it as under-spec'ed and over-priced. Time will tell. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74572 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Agree to invisible license terms?
For those of you who bother reading take it or leave it licenses, have you ever decided to not use or to return purchased software because you were unhappy with license terms? I understand the need for attention if one were writing code or developing products for distribution to others. And maybe that's your interest. For simple use, however, boilerplate license terms seem something unnecessary to even think about. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74400 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] SB Employees MIA
A number of SB employees who were previously active in these forums haven't been around for awhile. I saw earlier threads discussing org changes, work time priority changes and redeployments. I wonder if that's what's going on or if some have left the company? I'm thinking of people like Chris Owens, Mark Miksis, JRichardson, Tom W, and I'm sure there are others. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73860 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Would truly love an Audible.com app to be available on Squeezebox
robchel;504029 Wrote: It seems that DRM is largely about locking customers into a proprietary relationship - like a wedding. Yeah OK, most of them anyway. You go to the alter willingly and agree to take the bitter with the sweet. So far the Audible relationship has avoided serious conflicts and proved satisfactory... many years after the honeymoon and still no counseling. Others may see the relationship as abusive - that's their call. There's a lot of DRM in the audiobook download world. It may not be Audible's idea or preference, it might be required by their suppliers' licenses. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73651 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Network Diagnostic Tool
A good thought, as connectivity problems seem to be a weak point for the new user setup experience. I wonder if your suggestion would do much good. Many people who ARE inclined to troubleshoot problems probably don't need a lot of help. Or prefer using forums or contacting Support. Less technically savvy customers may not be inclined to investigate problems, with or without help. Many would pronounce their purchase DOA and return it. Having more pages of hints would be useful, especially if they were easy to find and written with a beginner in mind. Perhaps there should be a few pages of Helpful Setup Hints included in each box. I personally find the wiki unwelcoming and unusable. It's one of those things that seems to be written for people who already understand the subject matter. I have found it to be of limited value. I'm sure the company has info on what percentage of purchased products get returned and why. Maybe it's not a big issue? -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72577 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple acquires lala.com... What's Stevo's next move?
Jon Healey of the LA Times posted some interesting thoughts about Apple and lala. I'm sure they have something in mind, perhaps what Tamanaco says, or maybe they're just taking out a competitor. While I don't prefer or own Apple products, I respect their repeated accomplishments. No consumer products company does a better job of using innovative design and sophisticated technology to achieve simplicity. Apple does things it's own way, take it or leave it. Most people take it, and pay little attention to the things you guys are discussing. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Brick Potential?
Recent discussions have mentioned several organizational changes and staffing reductions and reassignments. One comment, that the picture would be more clear after the holidays, could be interpreted as intimating that the ship jumpers were preparing to move. Could some just be staying to finish Touch? Sheer speculation on my part, but the news is not that which would be more characteristic of a kick b product line. Logitech could decide to wind down development, addressing the most serious software problems first, and then just operate in status quo mode. It's not like customers expect continuous software upgrades for hardware products. Everything will continue to work as is. But a loss of the core employee base would make future changes more expensive and less likely. I'm as much of a supporter as anyone, I certainly hope for better news for all concerned, including the great people who work so hard on these products. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72299 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What has happened sound effects on SB3?
iPhone;491271 Wrote: ..is there a means to get them permanently on the server? Easily, with Softsqueeze (or its equivalent) and Audacity (or its equivalent). Take a 5 minute segment, then expand it to whatever length you want. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72034 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] sleep mode in web interface
gian;481771 Wrote: is there a way to control the sleep mode from the web interface? Take a look at the fishbone skin for the web interface. The sleep timer can be set at the top right portion of the screen. At least that's the case with 7.3.3. I don't know if it's there with more recent versions. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70961 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What is the origin or meaning of your user name?
Last bump. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55256 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] PC audio output streaming to squeezebox
aubuti;477611 Wrote: Look for the 'waveinput plugin' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/WaveInput_plugin) -- should do exactly what you want. I don't think this will work for this purpose because there's a delay. Wave input works fine to send audio streams to listen to, from sources that for a variety of reasons will play on a PC but not on a Squeeze device. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70396 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hardware Beta Testers Take Note
The FTC rules seems reasonable in intent to me. A reader should be able to expect that reviews and comments are independent and without bias. If something of value has been conveyed, all this requires is disclosure. Then come to your own conclusion. Even newspapers often indicate for restaurant reviews, for example, that they pay for the meals being reviewed. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hardware Beta Testers Take Note
toby10;473116 Wrote: I'd guess the IRS $600 rule would apply, no? Gifts, monies, etc... valued under $600 need not be declared by the recipient nor does the giver need to notify the IRS via 1099. Unless they changed that or I don't understand it (which is quite possible). :( The $600 rule is for payers to report payments to the IRS. Recipients are taxable on any amounts received (in cash or property) for services, they just receive no report on amounts below $600 from any one payer. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hardware Beta Testers Take Note
jdoering;473255 Wrote: Interesting. A while back MSFT quoted the $600 rule when providing free software as a benefit for particapting in one of their usability studies. They neglected to explain the nuances of the rule. If participants got software to keep for no payment, then that is free, isn't it? Did they also say it was non-taxable? jdoering;473255 Wrote: I was actually wondering if hardware to beta testers and such fell into the same classification or if it was somehow different since they're providing it for you to do something on their behalf (versus the MSFT software which was purely an after-the-fact perk). If I understand you, are you thinking about the fact that hardware can't be tested unless it is provided? That's right. What would make it taxable is that the tester can keep it. If the testers sign paperwork beyond a non-disclosure agreement, it might mention that they receive the unit in return for testing. Or maybe no mention is made. Perhaps one of the Radio or Touch program participants could comment? -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
