Re: [slim] OpenFrame remote for SB?
Just been around the three O2 stores in the City of London and they're all sold out due to high demand (hardly surprising at this price, and after a bank holiday). New stock coming in Thursday. This could be a great alternative to a Controller, and is so cheap and the screen so large and high quality it would make a great Now Playing display for a Receiver and be a general information display come photo frame when not playing audio. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64373 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 2L now trolling websites to Spam?
bpa;329029 Wrote: I received a 2nd message as well. It looks like they got the address from bugzilla. The Maemo project also had email addresses harvested from it's Bugzilla, they have now patched[1][2] Bugzilla to hide email addresses when viewed by anonymous users. Slim Devices might want to do likewise and protect the email addresses of reporters, commenters etc. from harvesters. 1. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1383 2. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2580 -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50363 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Where have support staff gone re: controller issue questions?
'Bug #9094' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9094) opened, configuring the Linksys firmware as a Gateway made no difference (it still worked, as it should) so it's not a gateway issue, it's entirely down to the after-market firmware doing something that the official firmware doesn't. What that something is I don't know - maybe it can be stopped with input to bug 9094 so that the Controller can work happily with all routers that do the same thing. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50675 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Where have support staff gone re: controller issue questions?
Here we go... My new Duet turned up yesterday and I was able to give it a spin for a couple of hours - first thing I did was check the button diagnostics and they all work fine, yay! :) The controller arrived with 7.01 firmware (sorry, can't recall the exact revision). Next, I tried to connect the Controller to my 7.1 SqueezeCenter on Win2K3 over Sveasoft WiFi (Talisman 1.3.1 on WRT54GS v2) - no joy as before. It had no problem establishing the WiFi connection (WPA2 Personal with TKIP), that worked perfectly but the Controller refused to acknowledge the SC or my SB3 existed. Then I swapped out the Sveasoft router for my spare WRT54GS v2 running Tomato 1.21 (also with WPA2+TKIP) - this kind of worked with the previous controller last time but to my surprise it no longer worked last night. I erased the NVRAM and reconfigured the router firmware but still no joy, exactly the same behaviour as with the Sveasoft firmware. I even tried downgrading the router to Tomato 1.19 but no change (and port forwarding still doesn't work - this may be a GS specific issue in Tomato). It's also possible that when Tomato worked with the previous Controller, I had already installed Controller firmware 7.1 - haven't tested this yet. Having established that Tomato was of no use, I reflashed Tomato with the latest official Linksys WRT54GS v2 firmware and configured it as a router (not a gateway) and connected it to my network so that now I have two WiFi networks: Sveasoft (my internet gateway, with firewall enabled etc.) on 192.168.0.2 and Channel 3 WiFi; Linksys firmware (router not gateway, no firewall) on 192.168.0.6 and Channel 6 WiFi. And... it all worked perfectly - the Controller connected to the second network and it could see my SC and SB3 immediately, no lag, Controller firmware upgraded flawlessly, everything is good. However running two WiFi networks isn't reasonable, and I don't particularly want to return to stock Linksys firmware. Is anyone with a WRT54GS v2 willing to test Tomato 1.19/1.21 in a Gateway configuration, and see if it will work with a Controller? Assuming this is all reproducible (I'd be happy to send anyone a backup copy of my troublesome routers config) then would it be too much to expect Slim Devices to take an interest in helping fix a chronic problem with what is probably the most prolific range of wireless routers on the planet? Over the weekend I'll try to capture more detailed logs if I get the time. I'll also try configuring the Linksys router as a gateway/enable the firewall and see if that makes any difference to the Controller. Summary: FAILURE: WRT54GS v2 with Sveasoft Talisman 1.3.1 FAILURE: WRT54GS v2 with Tomato 1.19 FAILURE: WRT54GS v2 with Tomato 1.21 SUCCESS: WRT54GS v2 with Linksys 4.71.4 -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50675 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Where have support staff gone re: controller issue questions?
erland;327370 Wrote: Contact the Logitech support team via e-mail or phone, you will find the contact information in the Support menu at the top of the slimdevices.com web site. If you are lucky someone from the support team will find this thread anyway, but to be sure you should really call or e-mail the support team directly. I assume that they like to prioritize problems from users that have actually contacted them through the official channels, before starting to search for things to do by looking in the user to user discussion forum. If the problem isn't urgent, I would suggest that you at least register a bug report at bugs.slimdevices.com. The bug report will then be scheduled into an appropriate Controller firmware release if Logitech feels it is an important issue. You're right Erland - I should and will do that. Once I've had more time over the weekend to confirm/reproduce what I saw last night I'll open a new bug in Bugzilla (something along the lines that Controller/SC don't play nice with Linksys WRT54GS v2 with after-market firmware). I'll attach relevant SBC/SC and possibly even ethereal logs if I can, and also contact Support via email referencing the bug - a phone call is likely to be a waste of time money. Hard to say if Logitech/SD will see this is an important issue, but as there's an awful lot of WRT54GS-type routers out there, and many of us on here seem to be familiar with after-market firmwares it could be considered a problem waiting to happen for a lot of potential SBC owners. And the same (or similar) problem may even be affecting other unrelated routers, explaining the problems their owners are having. However the lack of interest expressed in the forums regarding Controller/WiFi problems suggests it won't get an awful lot of attention - I hope I'm wrong. Controller/WiFi issues seems to be one of the most commonly recurring problems right now (or maybe that's because they're the threads I pay most attention to!) :) -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50675 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Where have support staff gone re: controller issue questions?
bpa;327379 Wrote: I think it may be the *perceived* lack of interest. Perception is everything, or so they say... :) bpa;327379 Wrote: Unlike SC where it is relatively easy for anybody to change and find bugs. The SBC is a full Linux system and the WiFi problem is probably a kernel / driver level with the driver being supplied by a vendor. AFAICT there are only one or two development guys who deal with that specialised area of SBC and they are very busy. There will be two issues (i) reproducing the bug (ii) liaise with vendor to get driver changes and vendors are not always that responsive as they have their own QA procedures. Then when a promising solution is found an SBC release has to be prepared. As a result of a problematic SBC firmeware release there is an intensive QA done even for betas. So as I see it, changes/fixes to the SBC will always be slower to appear compared to changes/fixes to SC. I don't mind waiting if someone is taking/showing an interest and working towards resolving the problem... I'll even do what I can to help resolve the issue. My initial thoughts were to cut my losses, send it back and claim a refund as not being fit for purpose, but that isn't in the long term interests of everyone here who may face the same issue, or Logitech/SD. Once I've opened a new bug and registered a support case I guess we'll have a better idea how it's going to be taken forward. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50675 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Squeezebox Boom?
ralphpnj;327338 Wrote: I've already suggested in another thread that Slim Devices should partner with one of the established audio companies, such as Sony, Marantz, etc., and produce an A/V receiver with a built-in SqueezeBox Receiver. SqeezeNetwork and SqueezeCenter can then be used to provide both 2 channel and mutli-channel audio. Yes, SqueezeCenter can stream 5.1 channel encoded digital audio signals provided that the digital output is fed into a DAC capable of decoding the 5.1 channel signal, and almost all A/V receivers have this ability. Just some additional food for thought. A very good idea - my Onkyo TX-NR905 has a built-in ethernet (cable) based music streamer and it's *rubbish* for two reasons: 1) I need to switch on my TV to choose tracks and 2) the UI is incredibly clunky. If, as you suggest, it were based on Receiver + Controller technology then Onkyo would be on to a sure fire winner. Though the Controller would need to be more versatile, taking on the role of a regular IR remote control too in order to keep costs down, something Logitech and their Harmony division could create I'm sure. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50760 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Squeezebox Boom?
ralphpnj;327430 Wrote: I'm was also thinking that many, if not all, A/V receivers already have some kind of built in display and therefore the display could be modified to work in a similar manner to the SqueezeBox Classic. Many mid to high-end (and this is what we're talking about here, not low-end or budget) amps go into AV racks, typically situated at the bottom, possibly even hidden out of sight. Even on a £1400 TX-NR905 the fluourescent display is of a much lower resolution than that on an SB3/Classic, it's only slightly better in fact than the original Slimp3! :eek: :) The remote control that came with the Onkyo amp was one of the poorest quality remotes I have ever used, suggesting Onkyo don't want to invest too much in remotes if at all possible, as they knowe that most owners will replace the remote with a higher-end alternative anyway (I replaced mine with a Harmony One and very good it is too). Since the Controller isn't cheap, it might be better for amp manufacturers to make the the Controller an optional extra, including only the regular cheap-o remote as standard allowing the user to buy a Controller (assuming they even need one) if they want to use the built-in Receiver. After all, the Receiver h/w probably has the lowest cost of the entire Duet solution. I'd still like to see a combined Controller+Harmony One though! :) -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50760 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Squeezebox Boom?
iPhone;327459 Wrote: WiFi control with total IR control, could anything really be better? You forgot Bluetooth for the PS3 :) iPhone;327459 Wrote: The increased price is justified because it is now replacing two devices as well as becoming a universal remote to replace all the other remotes. I'd buy it! -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50760 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Controller Setup Not User Friendly - My Experience
maggior;327444 Wrote: Issue 2: Connecting to the server = This was a bear. And I'm not sure how I made it work. After getting over the wireless hurdle, I set up the receiver. It shows up on the list, the lights do their dance, and all is well. Then it asks which server to connect to. My server shows up and I select it. Not matter what I did, the connection always failed!! The interesting part is that I could use the web browser and play music through the player!! So the player was set up correctly! See 'here' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=327364#post327364) - looks like we should be adding WRT54GS 1.1 + DD_WRT to the list of non-working router and after-market firmware combinations. I too have experienced your second issue - no connectivity to SqueezeCenter but able to log into SqueezeNetwork - but since installing a second WRT54GS with stock Linksys firmware everything has worked as it should when the Controller is configured to connect via the WiFi on the router running Linksys firmware. To skip the setup wizard, on the first page of the wizard press and hold back (-, bottom left of scroll wheel) for several seconds. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50848 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Controller Setup Not User Friendly - My Experience
maggior;327491 Wrote: Regardless, I think that the bug I ran into was that it couldn't deal with your local server if you had a password set on it. Ah I see - my apologies! :) -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50848 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Where have support staff gone re: controller issue questions?
There does seem to be a much reduced level of interest from developers/support staff where Controller/network issues are concerned - we don't even get suggestions as to what logs could be gathered which may help pinpoint the issue, in fact we get pretty much nothing at all which is very unlike the old days. In the recent past I have been guilty of suggesting that Conbtroller network problems were due to duff routers not implementing PSM correctly, but now that I have a Controller which fails to work with a known-good PSM implementation that clearly isn't always the cause of these problems. My Controller has had to be returned due to a faulty button, but when I get a replacement and it continues to have problems I'll open a support ticket by email (no way am I making a transatlantic phone number to discuss faulty software, which would cost me a fortune). However the apparent lack of interest in Controller/network bugs from Slim Devices on the forums is quite worrying - perhaps it's the influence of Logitech. I even added to a bug in bugzilla, which has been ignored. One thing that did make me laugh - this morning I received a boiler plate email from Michael Valera asking me to fill in a customer questionnaire regarding my Duet purchase, starting out with We hope you are enjoying your purchase etc. Well guess what Michael, no I'm f*g not! :) -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50675 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Possible solutions to wireless router problems
kkl;327032 Wrote: Hi Everybody Problem: Problems connecting to Wireless router (Specifically Netopia 3357W). In detail: After a lot of hassle connection my SB Duet Reciever to my router (Not finding it at all, staying yellow, turning green but no respons and so on) I finally figured out how to do it. My main problem was actually connecting after moving it around a bit - from upstairs to downstairs - nice possibility to be able to move it around (even though bying another unit is ofcourse the best option). Anyways - figured I would post this here because I see that connecting to the Netopia 3357W has been a problem also for others). 1st: Telnet your router (or ask your ISP for help) - Choose the Stateful Inspection option - Under UDP no-activity timeout (sec) set it to at least 320 seconds (default is 180 I think?). NOTE: I am not absolutely sure this is part of my solution, but anyways this is what I did before I discovered the second of my tips here.. 2nd: When connecting: Unplugg the power to the Reciever.. - Turn it back on - Now: Turn of your router and turn it back on - Be patient... Now - every time without failure the SQ Reciever finds the network and the music sources .-) Hopefully this will help somebody else. If not it only took me about 2 minutes to write this post - and telling yourself you succeded with something is also a good trick .-) Stateful Inspection, or Stateful Packet Inspection, is part of your firewall - why is this causing a problem for purely LAN access? What is the Receiver doing that is being blocked by the firewall which normally should block only WAN activity? Also, did you slaughter any black cats while working this out? :) -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50798 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Squeezebox Boom?
Paul Shields;326771 Wrote: This is exactly what I've been waiting for as a small player/radio/alarm in the bedroom. Can't wait for it to be available :). Small??? :) -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50760 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet Wireless Network Problems - Possible Solution?
G-dude;326087 Wrote: Hey Mike i think I am having the same problem so it is good to know the cause...powering off and on my SB controller fixes it so it must be my router (Lynksys WRT54GS)...any clues how to fix the router..? BTW my router seems to kind of clog up if i have been using bit torrent a lot...any connection..? G-dude Mike - I take back my comments as the Linksys WRT54GS does NOT have a bad PSM implementation, the WRT works perfectly with Nokia tablets yet I'm having no luck getting a Controller to work reliably with a WRT54GS+Sveasoft firmware. The Controller did work with Tomato, but Tomato has other serious bugs which meant I could not use it long term. Ultimately there are problems with Controller communicating with SqueezeCenter over some WiFi networks that are not due to PSM - throughout my testing with the Controller I could ping it reliably (zero packet loss over several hours) and maintain an SSH session without any problems. Yet SqueezeCenter would actively refuse connections to the Controller when running Sveasoft firmware - this doesn't seem to be a WiFi problem, unless some (but not all) requests are being corrupted during transmission? -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47190 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet Wireless Network Problems - Possible Solution?
G-dude;326355 Wrote: Have you guys tried forwarding the ports on your router..? They suggest it in another thread here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50280goto=newpost Interesting, but I'm assuming that opening ports only applies if you have a software firewall running on the server hosting SqueezeCenter? Opening or forwarding ports should not be necessary when using a router-based firewall when all the devices are within the LAN - obviously opening and forwarding ports is necessary for WAN-devices that need to communicate with LAN devices, but that's surely not the case here with the Controller and SqueezeCenter (at least I hope it's not! Maybe I wouldn't be surprised if it was...!) :) -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47190 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Controller Lag
mfpreach;326421 Wrote: I did upgrade to 7.1 and it still have major issues with wpa2 WEP is the only thing that works for me. IT is weird though because I used to have it hooked up via ethernet only and the controller was giving me problems. Having to downgrade WiFi security to get a product working is usually the point where I decide that the non-functioning product is not fit for purpose. I'm not there yet with the Controller, but I suspect I may not be far off. I'm rapidly losing faith in Slim Devices due to their lack of visibility in these Controller connectivity issue threads - very poor show. :( -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50298 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Controller Lag
mfpreach;326431 Wrote: Especially when its a $400 product. Or if you're in the UK, $512. :( PoS so far. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50298 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Controller Lag
Ben Sandee;326443 Wrote: Instead of getting mad, why not just return it? Ben Maybe because I expect better from Slim Devices than this silence concerning a poor quality product/implementation? I intend to give the Duet I have bought one more try when I receive my replacement (my original Controller had a faulty rewind button) - if the replacement doesn't work either then yes I'll be giving it up as a lost cause and taking a refund and won't look back. Before that though I'd like to try and work through the problems which I'm pretty damned sure are not entirely due to my network as everything else on it (I have a ton of devices) works without any problem but so far it's the deathly silence that's annoying me... like someone is sticking their head in the sand. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50298 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where is the Controller firmware located now?
The controller has some bizarre problems working with perfectly ordinary wireless networks - there's got to be something in the Controller firmware that trips it up when connecting to a large number of routers, there are too many people with problems for it to always be a router issue. I'm waiting for a replacement Controller (dodgey button on my first) and if that doesn't work with my router then I'll get a refund, the lack of concern about these Controller connectivity issues that are continuously being reported here is quite telling IMHO. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50529 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet Wireless Network Problems - Possible Solution?
amcluesent;325189 Wrote: All this blaming of routers is starting to sound pretty thin to me. It's a possibility. I had Belkin 802.11b model where the wi-fi throughput would collapse,but not go completely, when the broadband had been under load for a few hours. A reboot would sort the memory leak/whatever. D-Link DIR-655 has been 100% running Duet. I had a non-connecting Controller, it wouldn't connect to my Linksys WRT54GS w/Sveasoft Talisman 1.3.1 firmware. I was advised to change the firmware, I installed Tomato on a second unused WRT54GS and swapped it in place of the Sveasoft unit. The Controller connection problems went away, unfortunately Tomato is unstable and has bugs (port forwarding isn't working) so it's not a solution. I'd be happy to work with Slim Devices to get to the bottom of the problem, but I'm not going to wait forever. My Controller has had to go back for RMA due to a non-functioning rewind button, but if anyone from Slim Devices wants to ask me questions which will determine what the problem is with the Sveasoft/Controller combination maybe it will fix the problem for others too. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47190 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet Wireless Network Problems - Possible Solution?
Mnyb;325219 Wrote: Which version of Tomato ? i run 1.19 on an WGT54GL maybe its different with GS. I don't seem to have any port forwarding problems. I can portforward Azurues, SqueezeCenter and the ClarkConect dashboard ?? Is it a never version then i assume I should not uppgrade the router just now ? 1.2.1 on WRT54GS v2. I tried everything to get it to port forward TCP and UDP ports for eMule without success, even UPNP didn't work (I saw it open up the ports in the GUI but no data was ever forwarded). I've disconnected the Tomato box and replaced it with the Sveasoft box, ports are being forwarded correctly and my internet connectivity is now stable once again. I don't know if it's a problem with the Controller, Slim Discovery or Sveasoft or all three - I'd like to help Slim Devices get to the bottom of it if they're interested. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47190 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Thread/Forum Read Marking Type
funkstar;323706 Wrote: The main reason for it as I see it is you can be browsing the forums, get called away to do something (or even just need to get a coffee or go to the toilet) and not have the forum time out on you meaning you loose what was new when you load a page. The change is a global change because that is the only option. It cannot be a user option. Thanks - I guess I'll get used to it! :) -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49384 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] help I'm stuck
redbroo;323995 Wrote: sorry chaps been trying to reply but my connection kept failing for some reason . Seems ok now. I've run ipconfig stuff found ips etc Not just you - I think the forum died for a few minutes. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50379 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet Wireless Network Problems - Possible Solution?
mikelee999;324050 Wrote: Milhouse, I appreciate your efforts to help. If the issue is PSM support in the router, do you expect that I should be able to ping and remotely log on to the controller at the same time that it can't find Squeezecenter on the network? If the controller can respond to a ping and handle a remote logon session, what other test would prove that it is otherwise network-crippled? Sorry I can't offer much more advice - particularly as I'm having connection issues 'of my own' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50333)! - but if PSM is a factor in your problem you would expect to see a marked difference (improvement) when disabling PSM, if you see no difference then PSM isn't the likely culprit. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47190 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Thread/Forum Read Marking Type
PRGeno;318607 Wrote: I'd have to agree. This new mode is not my favorite way to fly. +1 I've been wondering what was wrong with this forum recently - I haven't checked-in for a few weeks - but the upgrade would make sense threads I'm subscribed to and have just posted in don't then appear in New Posts, and when they do appear in New Posts (usually when someone else has posted in the thread) the threads aren't listed with the subscribed threads indicator. I suppose this is all explained by this new marking method, though maybe not the lack of thread subsription indicators, but I don't like it. Can we have the choice to go back to the old marking method? -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49384 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet Wireless Network Problems - Possible Solution?
mikelee999;323409 Wrote: If true, wouldn't it save you a lot of trouble to provide a test applet to validate the PSM implementation on various routers? You're asking people to replace hardware without proving that it's the problem and without making recommendations for what will work. You already have the facility to test if PSM is correctly implemented in your router: If your Controller experiences network connectivity/stability issues when PSM is enabled and yet you have solid network connectivity when PSM is disabled, then chances are your router has poorly implemented/defective PSM support... The best option might be to start a thread or wiki entry discussing known good and known bad routers with regard to PSM support. My Controller has just arrived so in the next few days I'll be able to test it with my Linksys WRT54GS running Sveasoft Talisman 1.3 (or thereabouts) firmware... this setup works perfectly with my Nokia internet tablets which have maximum PSM enabled. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47190 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Thread/Forum Read Marking Type
jsharper;323539 Wrote: Why would/should it show in New Posts when you are the last one who posted? By definition, if you posted the last post, then you have seen the most recent post in that thread (you wrote it!), in which case there is nothing new in there that you haven't seen. New is supposed to mean new to you -- something you haven't seen yet not new to the forum -- recent posts Because that's the way it's always worked on forums and it's what I am (and I'm sure many others are) used to seeing - not seeing it appear led me to believe something was broken with the forum indexing, now I understand it's a configuration change that someone thought was a good idea and has made a global setting. Not really sure I fully understand the reason for the change, but I'd have thought offering the option for members to continue with the old way (which is standard on just about every forum) would have been a good idea. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49384 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Network Test: Wireless vs. Homeplug
For UK owners, I found 'this old' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=81254#post81254) forum thread which recommends a 'regulated 5V (1500ma) linear PSU' (http://cpc.farnell.com/PW00187/batteries-power-supplies/product.us0?sku=unbranded-ad-05150r) from CPC for £14.51 ex VAT - seems like it might be worth a punt if the standard switched PSU puts so much noise back onto the mains. Note that the CPC linear supply is substantially bigger than the standard PSU! -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50082 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet Wireless Network Problems - Possible Solution?
mikelee999;323019 Wrote: I have an open case with Logitech about this issue. In my case, after not using the SBC remote for a while (overnight, typically), it cannot connect to my Squeezecenter box. 2 things work reliably to correct this: * disable the powersaving mode on the SBC--it almost never has a problem then. * turn off/on the SBC remote. I doubt my issues are about problems in the power save mode for my router because the SBC controller can be pinged and I can log on to it remotely from the Squeezecenter computer. It just doesn't connect to Squeezecenter even though it's on the network. Turning off powersave mode is unacceptable as a workaround because the battery drains extremely quickly--it won't last more than a couple of hours off the cradle. At this point, technical support is offering to replace the hardware, but they don't have a root cause--they're guessing too. What make, model and firmware are you running on your access point? Is it the latest firmware, are you sure it has properly implemented PSM? If disabling PSM on the Controller improves the ability of your Controller to connect to your Squeezecenter (ie. disabling PSM improves overall network connectivity) then it seems pretty obvious that PSM is the problem, and there's a good chance it's your router that has a stuffed up PSM implementation. Correctly implemented PSM (both on the client and the access point) should not noticeably impact network performance but it will significantly improve battery lifetime on the client. There's always the possibility that Slim Devices have implemented PSM incorrectly, but since the introduction of PSM on Nokia hardware almost 12 months ago it has _always_ turned out to be a flaw in the access point for anyone that has experienced network problems, so much so that Nokia introduced the ability for the user to turn off PSM on the client (on the understanding that this is to the detriment of battery life - there's nothing Nokia can do about [EMAIL PROTECTED] access point firmware). I genuinely think you're wasting your time replacing the Slim Devices hardware at this stage - if possible, try another access point. I agree that turning off PSM is an unacceptable solution, but there's nothing anyone here can do about faulty router firmware (assuming that it is the router, which I'd put money on). Only the manufacturer of your router can resolve this problem (or try after market firmware if it's available). There's a Nokia bug on PSM problems 'here' (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1636) which references some access points with known PSM problems. Discussing this further really is futile unless people include details (make/model/firmware) of their access points. The Controller is now part of a wider and non-Logitech/Slim Devices system, yet when battery life is poor in the Controller the focus is only on the Controller hardware leaving the likely culprit (the access point) to go undetected. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47190 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Harmony One?
I have just purchaed a Harmony One - my first Harmony - and it works fantastically well with my SB3 and all my other devices (Philips TV, Sony DVD and Onkyo Amp). It was cheap enough (£102 in the UK from the BT Store, but I purchased mine direct from Logitech using code JELLYBATTLE2A which gave a 20% discount/rebate) that I'll be happy using it until such a time as Logitech/SlimDevices produce a merged Harmony/Jive remote control (fingers crossed!) :) -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43312 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Nintendo DS Lite Browser as Interface
Mark Lanctot;126636 Wrote: Development materials for a cartridge are on the order of several hundred thousand dollars... The 'R4DS' (http://r4ds.net/) catridge system allows homebrew development on the DS using a microSD memory card for storage - cost: ~$40. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26107 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is PS3 affecting signal strength?
Can you disable wireless on the PS3 and connect the PS3 over CAT5 to the SB, and have the SB forward wireless packets to the PS3? Or buy a cheap 4-port wireless router (such as the WRT54GS v2 or WRT54GL, or something else comptaible with DD-WRT firmware) and configure it in wireless client mode. Connect both the PS3 and SB3 using CAT5 to the router and hey presto they're wireless, and no interference. You'll also have room to spare for another two devices in future. :) -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34676 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is PS3 affecting signal strength?
Mark Lanctot;196731 Wrote: For that matter, the SB3 can act as a wireless bridge. Does the PS3 have an Ethernet port? If so, you might want to consider wiring it to the SB3 and enabling bridge mode. That's what I meant, I couldn't remember the technical name - wireless bridge - for some reason! :) The PS3 has a gig ethernet port. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34676 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help save Internet radio
This is very bad news indeed. I listen to radioparadise.com every day on my SB3 and Radio Paradise is under threat from this decision. There's a very long 'thread' (http://www.radioparadise.com/content.php?name=Forumsfile=showtopictopic_id=9567start=1280) on their site and according to the station owner BillG on 16 April, Yahoo and Microsoft (and others) are becoming involved: The first step is for us to get a bill introduced in Congress. That will be the first thrust of the lobbying effort of the SaveNetRadio coalition. This will be funded by some of the deep pockets with a stake in this issue (Yahoo, Microsoft, etc), so it has a decent chance at success (in DC, money = power). Hopefully Logitech/Slim Devices are backing this issue too as I'm sure I'm not alone in using my SB3 for predominantly internet radio listening. Unfortunately I'm in the UK, so can't do much to help from over here! :( -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33447 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help save Internet radio
TCM;195540 Wrote: You can still sign the petition that Mike mentions in the first post. I signed it although I live in Sweden (and I've seen other swedes who has signed it as well). Maybe it makes a difference or maybe it doesn't - at least we try to help :-) http://www.savethestreams.org/ BillG on the radioparadise site is suggesting that because the petition is intended for the US Congress, only US nationals/residents should bother signing the petition - basically, he's saying that Congress aren't interested in what anyone outside the US thinks. Hard to disagree with that argument really! :) -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33447 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Windows server 2003 and Slimserver?
Yes, works fine - I run 6.5.2 on W2K3. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34500 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Draytek Vigor 2800VG Do they work OK now?
RogerB;19 Wrote: (there seems to be general agreement that they are the best and... Where on earth did you get that impression? I suspect that's wishful thinking on your part! From my experience Draytek are premium priced hardware running extremely poor quality firmware. My advice: Get a cheap Linksys WRT54GL (the Linux version) and install opensource firmware on it (eg. DD-WRT) that allows it to act as a wireless client for all connected wired devices. Why spend two or three times the price on a Draytek and suffer the ensuing problems when the Linksys WRT54GL *will* outperform the Draytek? I would concur that the WAG-type devices are poor/limited, they were always brain-damaged pieces of kit designed to be purchased by the unwary (after all, they cost more than a 4-port 54GS and cheapo modem which could do a better job!) Judging all Linksys products based on the experience gained from a WAG seems quite harsh. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27018 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Experience with powerline ethernet?
Thanks for all the replies. :) I'll get a pair of the Devolo 85Mbps units and see if can use a double adapter in the outlet. Alternatively, it sounds like they should work fine in the extension (although this may impair their performance I'm sure they'll be plenty good enough for the intended purpose - getting a 1Mbp ADSL connection to a wireless deadspot). -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26104 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Experience with powerline ethernet?
Question from the UK: Anyone know if these powerline devices work OK when plugged into 4 or even 8-gang socket extensions? I may need to buy a pair of Powerline/Home Networking-type devices for my folks (85Mbps should do the trick) as I've just about given up trying to get decent 11g wireless coverage between ground and top floors of their house. However there's a shortage of power outlets near the ADSL router (ground floor) so the powerline device may have to go in an extension socket assuming it will fit - how big are these devices, larger than a standard UK plug? -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26104 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Windows cannot find 'SlimServer Web Interface.url
I've had this annoying popup for well over a year! Even though I've fully uninstalled all previous installations I still get this annoying message when I start SlimServer - even with the 6.5 nightlys. I think the popup message began appearing when the built-in browser component was dropped. Short of a full OS re-install I've no idea how to get rid of it - suggestions welcomed! -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26324 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: IE7 and Fishbone
Fishbone on IE7 Beta2 working fine here (XP SP2 32-bit with SS 6.5b1 [29 April build]). Have you tried clearing the IE7 browser cache? Or Ctrl-R to force a page load? -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23338 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Squeezebox is changing volume
Saw this with a build of SlimCD which had about 4 volume-related plugins installed - the volume would decrease progresively from maximum to zero in about 2 minutes. I moved the plugins out of the Plugin directory and it appeared to stop the problem although I never did identify which plugin was the root cause, possibly a combination of plugins. Have you installed any new plugins, or updated Slim Server? -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22164 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia 770 Skin
There is a new Nokia firmware image (3.2005.51-13) just released for the 770 - feedback is in 'this' (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=901) thread, with links to the firmware in the first post. General opinion is that memory management and email connectivity is improved. In my experience this new firmware allows me to browse 4 web pages concurrently (in different windows) when the previous firmware (2.2005.45) would run out of memory after only the second window. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19369 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia 770
Anyone thinking of buying from CompUSA may be interested in 'this' (http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com/2005/12/compusa-experience.html) blog post. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19543 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Spectrum analyzer details?
Try this 'thread' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=14935) for more info. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18934 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: BBC Streams
lostboy Wrote: As far as I can tell the order is presented exactly as it comes off the BBC website. The order of radio stations can be changed by modifying Plugin.pm (see this 'thread' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=66628#post66628)) - the order is not defined by the BBC, but by AlienBBC. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18751 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia 770
GoCubs Wrote: Disadvantage: 1.) No idea when Nokia is actually going to ship it to US residents. 3.) No built-in microphone (would be useful for future voip apps). 1) Available now in CompUSA! 3) It does have a microphone - it's the small hole next to the power charger socket. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17837 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia 770
spetras73 Wrote: but since you guys have a 770. does it support WPA security? I can't use my Sony Clie because it only does WEP... Yes it does - I have mine (am in the UK) hooked up to a WRT54GS using WPA-PSK. WPA2 is also supported. -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17837 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Who is the UK distributer for SB3?
Another thumbs up for the Sevenoaks dealership - they tend to stock slightly higher end gear, so could quite easily slip a few SB's into most sales... :) How about a Squeezebox3 to go with your 50-inch Pioneer plasma, sir? Oh, go on then... -- Milhouse Milhouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=928 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18207 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SB2 not connecting with WPA and AES
Michael Amster Wrote: If we have SB1s, we have to run WEP networks, right? It would require a separate wireless network for SB1s and SB2s to allow WPA? Or you could buy a cheap wireless client device such as a Linksys WRT54G (~$50) which will provide you with 11g/WPA connectivity for your SB1 - yep, it's a second box and not ideal but it is an option, and running a second network would most likely require that you purchase a second AP anyway so assuming you have only one SB1 it would be better to convert it to 11g (particularly as the existence of the 11b network would not be good for your 11g network). jcyr Wrote: ... Still won't connect to Bellkin (Broadcom) wireless access point when configured to AES. Argg - it's a Belkin :) What devices are in the laptops - are they Belkin or Intel or ? -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Okay, maybe it's time to call it a day...
keithleng Wrote: Somebody took my reference to enthusiastic amateurs as an insult. It wasn't intended as that. No kidding - you could have fooled me and most of this forum. keithleng Wrote: I disagree with the people who claim that amateurs are the cream of the crop and are likely to produce better software than professionals. Nobody said that amateurs were the cream of the crop - you should re-read the post that you have misquoted. The post actually suggested that many open source supporters and developers are professional programmers who maintain and contribute to open source projects as a result of their passion for their chosen profession. Programmers who are passionate about what they do are a rare breed and usually very good - hence the cream of the crop. Granted enthusiastic amateurs are involved with open source as well - and a good thing too - but to suggest that even amatuers are not up to snuff is offensive and indicative of someone who hasn't a clue about what they speak. An amateur or even professional coder could submit a poorly written patch to an open source project, but due to the review process employed by most of these projects the code will be improved before it is checked in, ensuring that on the whole the quality of submissions is maintained. And over my almost 20 years in software development I've seen vast quantities of poorly written software supposedly produced by professionals. To be honest, professional programmer is an utterly meaningless description as it simply describes someone who is paid to programme. Your belief that such people will automatically produce good quality software is misguided beyond belief as paid programmers are just as capable of turning out garbage as any open source volunteer. Anyway, this thread has seriously veered OT - nice hijack keithleng, if you have a problem with your SB please open a new thread and people will do their best to help you, provided you don't insult them any more. :) -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Okay, maybe it's time to call it a day...
I don't know what the cause is, but as soon as you mentioned you had a Belkin I stopped reading... from personal experience (and the shared experience of others) Belkin are utter pants unless you have a 100% Belkin wireless network. There may be a problem with your SB, but chances are it's the Belkin that doesn't like talking to anything else but another Belkin (and even then, sometimes not even another Belkin!) Try a Linksys WRT54GS or something from Netgear - I would recommend either brand. But avoid Belkin like the plague. -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SlimDevices losing out in the UK
ultra238a Wrote: The problem with the Roku radio is that it looks like it has been made out of cheap plastic and doesn't have any quality about it - for $400 no thanks. Paul Progressive Consumer Electronics Ltd Give it the same scuba coating as a Squeezebox and even cheap plastic will look good. I wonder how much a wireless SB2 would cost with semi-decent stereo and sub speakers? The aesthetics of the SoundBrige Radio don't appeal to me, but the concept certainly does. My only question about the SoundBridge: does it support a custom alarm track, and where can I get a sample of Quasimodo shouting Esmeralda, Esmeralda? That hump is damned unattractive but stuck in a corner it might not be so bad! -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SlimDevices losing out in the UK
ultra238a Wrote: Hi, I have just spoken to one our more major retailers who sells both the SB2 and the Roku M1000 and so far this month they have had their best month ever on the Roku at a massive 20x units, previous months have see huge sales figures of 17x units and 12x units respectively. In comparison the SB2 has sold nearly 5x the amount Roku has sold this month and is looking like it will be 7x or 8x as much this month. Paul - that's good to know, clearly these consumers must be finding out about the Squeezebox through word-of-mouth or via the web because there is precious little coverage of Squeezebox in gadget/computer/hifi mags, many of which would be ideal publications for targetted marketing. Think how many more units could be shifted by raising the profile of Squeezebox! -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SlimDevices losing out in the UK
I've just finished reading the October Computer Shopper and November T3, and as far as Slim Devices are concerned, you guys just don't exist - very depressing reads from a SD point of view. These mags had several articles about audio streaming and the Roku, Sonos and Netgear take center stage. Computer Shopper has an article about hacking the Buffalo LinkStation to run TwonkyVision server, citing the MP101 and Roku as possible clients (quote: Another good product is Roku's SondBridge, which costs more but comes in a remarkably good-looking cylidndrical container and won't look out of place with even the smartest hi-fi system). T3 starts with a gushing letter from a reader singing the praises of his Roku, and has an item suggesting the Sonos is best for multi-room music. There's also half-page ads from Roku and Sonos. It's been many months since I've seen reference to Slim Devices or Squeezebox in any of the magazines I read each month - in comparison Roku and more recently Sonos seem to be doing a fine job of getting their products in front of prospective buyers. :( Perhaps Roku and Sonos have a better UK distributor? I know this sounds like a complaint, but that's not the intention - it's simply a heads up that the competition are doing a far better job of placing their products here in the UK. I don't know how well Squeezebox is selling in the UK - well, I hope - but I fear that given the lack of publicity, Joe Public doesn't even know it exists and instead buys a Roku (or if he's well-heeled, a Sonos). -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SlimDevices losing out in the UK
patrick Wrote: I would not interpret advertising as a measure of performance but as a need to stimulate sales. Note that Roku's UK distributor also picked-up UK distribution of Sonos. Would you pick-up a competitive product if your original entry in this category sold well? Patrick --- Patrick Cosson V-P, Sales Marketing Slim Devices, Inc. 415-359-7407 cell 413-638-5248 efax Scenario: Joe Public picks up Computer Shopper, T3 (or any other publication that is brim full of rave Roku/Sonos reviews) with a view to identifying the latest/hottest audio streaming devices. Do you honestly think he's going to end up buying a Squeezebox? Not everyone will research the audio streaming market to the n'th degree - they'll do basic research (ie. read a few magazines) and on the basis of their new found wisdom make a purchase if the price is right. Given this scenario, Squeezebox won't get a look-in as it's not mentioned anywhere - effectively, it doesn't exist! Are you honestly telling me that Squeezebox is selling itself, by word-of-mouth and without any traditional advertising? Trust me this won't work, I've been here before with TiVo UK and word-of-mouth works only so well. Roku/Sonos may well have a need or desire to stimulate sales - from this can it be concluded that Slim Devices do not? I'm really sorry if this offends, but your statement is nonsensical unless you and Slim Devices are being utterly complacement about their position within the market - at this rate you will appeal to only a small number of potential purchasers, those who have taken the time to discover the existence of Slim Devices and Squeezebox. The bulk of your potential sales will go to Roku who have taken the time/effort/expense to get their product out there. Maybe that's your plan - to appeal to the more discerning purchaser, rather than the mass market? -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SlimDevices losing out in the UK
As an aside, I tend to read the more computer/gadget-oriented magazines each month, and I have no idea of the sort of coverage given to Squeezebox and the competition in more HiFi-oriented publications, anyone got any idea? It's interesting that audio-streaming devices straddle both fields, and given the more-audiophile credentials of the Squeezebox it's possible it may receive favourable coverage in HiFi circles. However if Roku/Sonos dominate in HiFi magazines too, this surely indicates that whoever is responsible for marketing Squeezebox in the UK isn't pulling their weight - unless of course, orders are indeed flooding in despite the lack of coverage which is excellent news! :) -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Should firmware be updated automatically?
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[slim] Re: SlimServer: International Characters in file names
Dan Sully Wrote: * twautele shaped the electrons to say... For some reason I switch these duties to a PC (xp mce 2005) and while iTunes PC has no problem playing them, slimserver just can't read them. SlimServer 6.2beta has much improved Unicode support. You might consider giving it a try. -D -- It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein Can anyone say if Unicode will be supported by AlienBBC? AlienBBC seems to have a problem with non-English speaking BBC Radio stations (ie. Radio nan Gaidheal, #18) where programmes are displayed as Egrave;ist beograve; (this should be: Èist beò) and A' mire ri M #242;r (s/b A' mire ri Mòr - note space inserted between and # to stop forum/browser software translating to correct code!) -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Alleged (And Possibly Untrue) Shipment Problem From SlimDevices
ultra238a Wrote: Yes we are the UK distributor. Paul Progressive Consumer Electronics Ltd Hi Paul - would be interested to read your opinion of the comments in 'this' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=15769) thread which discusses the limited presence of Squeezebox in the UK. -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Alleged (And Possibly Untrue) Shipment Problem From SlimDevices
Milhouse Wrote: Hi Paul - would be interested to read your opinion of the comments in 'this' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=15769) thread which discusses the limited presence of Squeezebox in the UK. Edit: Hmmm, I'm just re-reading the thread myself and now realise someone called Lee Harris from the UK Distributor has already posted, I assume he's a colleague of yours? :) -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slimserver inside Squeezebox?
I'm about to submit an enhancement request to have SlimServer support my two-slot toaster. Come on guys, there's a limit to what is and what is not supported by SlimServer, surely? The fact that NSLU2-type devices are capable of running SlimServer is great, but SlimServer is designed to run on kit with a minimum level of horsepower - something like a Pentium/2 with 128Mb RAM - and expecting SlimServer to run on the Squeezebox itself is pretty unrealistic. Building a low cost, quiet PC is not a big deal these days and try 'SlimCD' (http://www.herger.net/slim/detail.php?nr=763kategorie=slim) if you want minimum hassle. I don't want future SlimServer functionality to be curtailed because SlimDevices are attempting to support devices with only slightly more computing capacity than a pocket calculator. Just because it can, doesn't mean it should. :) -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Alleged (And Possibly Untrue) Shipment Problem From SlimDevices
Indeed - there's no way I'd put my music library onto a single hard disk (internal or external), mine is mirrored in a RAID array. I'm actually quite interested by the ReadyNAS X6 and would probably go for a 4-disk setup, although of course this isn't a cheap option. But then neither is my time spent re-ripping a lost music library! :) -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SlimDevices losing out in the UK
audiofi Wrote: Even with this, business is very slow and I think the problem is that people simply don't understand the technology and an advert in a paper/magazine still doesn't really explain it fully, I have to offer a free demo before hand. Once I get my foot in the door, the product sells itself, the problem is getting that first step. I totally agree... 4 years ago I bought a TiVo and would discuss it with people who were unable to differentiate it from a standard VCR. Now that Sky have spent millions advertising their Sky+ product Joe Public is beginning to get and now crave the concept of PVR/DVRs. People who weren't interested in a TiVo 4 years ago wouldn't live without a Sky+ PVR (a shame they didn't cotton on sooner and buy the superior product, but there you go!) It's all about raising awareness - having a streaming MP3 player in the living room is not something people really need. Yet people will quite happily sit in front of a PC and listen to music, or rip all their MP3s for their iPod and still keep their CDs next to their HiFi. With a streaming media server you buy the CD, rip it, put it in storage garage and never play it again. It's about changing how people listen (and manage) their music - simple, clear examples of the benefits of streaming kit is required in mass media publications (Sunday papers, for example). Obviously many of the benefits of streaming media apply to all the manufacturers (Slim, DLink, Netgear, Roku etc.) but Squeeze Network is a key differentiator in Slim Devices favour. IMHO the inability to easily listen to the BBC will count as a big negative for Joe Public UK. My parents listen to Radio Alba (Radio Scotland, Radio nan Gaidheal for Gaelic, Real Audio stream) and if this were available on Squeeze Network they'd be sold as would many other avid BBC listeners. Unfortunately AlienBBC is beyond most people, including my parents. BBC Radio on Squeeze Network would be a killer feature - of course it would be far better if the public funded BBC didn't use proprietary encoding, but that's another issue (anyone know if they have any plans to change to MP3 streaming?) -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SlimDevices losing out in the UK
Off Topic Post: I grew up and still live in London, and detest Crapital Radio with a vengeance! :) Do yourself a favour and get some radioparadise.com on your Squeezebox - their 128bit MP3 Shoutcast feed can be found at: http://www.radioparadise.com/musiclinks/rp_128.m3u It's excellent listening for anyone over 24 years old (precious little DJ noise other than the occasional site ident and no ads means practically 100% good music!)and RP works great with Squeeze Network as a manual addition. :) -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SlimDevices losing out in the UK
On Topic Post: I've just finished reading this months T3 magazine and there were approximately 4 references to the Roku, either as direct editorial, reviews or advertisments. Total references for the SB2: Zero. Even the MP101 got a write up. And in a comment giving examples of available streaming kit just about every available device got a mention EXCEPT for the SB2 - one almost gets the impression it's a conspiracy! The SB2 definately needs it's profile raised in the UK, but it's likely the same could be said for the rest of Europe too. This is definately going to be a problem long term for Slim Devices but is this something their distributors should be sorting out, or Slim? Deep pockets will be needed to fund any in-your-face advertising, so perhaps a review on theregister.com would help raise the profile globally without costing too much? Word of mouth sales will only work so well - trust me, I'm a UK TiVo owner! Eventually maintsteam marketing is required to sustain the product, and in this regard SB2 is an also ran. :( -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: sony PSP as remote
radish - can you do me a favour and confirm the Browse by Artwork behaviour that I am seeing on my PSP and iPAQ (using NetFront v3.1) - this is that the first two albums display OK, then the 3rd and subsequent albums display over the top of the second album. cheers -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: sony PSP as remote
The latest version 2.00 PSP firmware (available today for Jap machines, soon for US) includes a web browser (from NetFront) and it works very well with Handheld (Fishbone is just about usable too). Unfortunately Handheld suffers from the same Browse Artwork bug as NetFront 3.2 on my iPaq - the first and second album artwork display OK, then subsequent album artwork repeatedly overwrites the second album image. A minor issue however, but would be nice to see fixed :) Version 2.00 at long last includes WPA-PSK/TKIP which is working a treat with my Linksys WRT54GS (running Alchemy firmware from Sveasoft but should be fine with stock Linksys firmware also). PSP firmware download details 'here' (http://forum.lik-sang.com/showthread.php?t=5843). However I think the 'Nokia 770' (http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/770) would probably make a better remote control - using the analog joystick on the PSP to navigate along with the relatively small and low res screen means it's sometimes a chore to find what you want - a larger screen with touchscreen capability would be my ideal. -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Recommendations for server hardware?
For a cool and quiet x86 PC running Linux, I'd recommend mini-itx
('here' (http://www.itx-warehouse.co.uk) and 'here'
(http://www.mini-itx.com/store/) in the UK) using VIA EPIA CPUs.
Pentium M based motherboards are also available and would be more
appropriate if you ever wanted to install Windows - these are also cool
and quiet, but also considerably more expensive than VIA and if you only
intend on running SlimServer then a Pentium M is probably OTT, the VIA
EPIA CPUs should provide ample horsepower for the task.
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[slim] Re: Who wants a learning SB remote?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=15159 Question: Who wants a learning SB remote? - I'd buy one, but no more than $20 - I'd buy one, but no more than $50 - I'd buy one, but no more than $100 - Nope, not interested at all - Future versions of the SB should have this as standard My Pioneer AV receiver came with a learning remote - first thing I did was teach it the codes for my TiVo, Sony DVD and original SLIMP3... since then I've upgraded the Slimp3 to an SB2 and now SBG2, and the remote control for the last 2 has never been taken out of it's bag! I don't think a learning remote should be supplied by Slim Devices - there is plenty of choice out there if you want one, many owners most probably already have one courtesy of their AV receiver. Nowadays pretty much any decent ( £500/$800) AV receiver comes with a basic learning remote. If SD were to supply a learning remote it would have to be the best thing since sliced bread (with a price to match) otherwise they'll be criticised for supplying a sub-standard remote when compared with Logitech/Harmony, All-in-One, Phillips etc. - they'll never please everyone, so why bother trying? I'd much rather the styling of the SBG2 were improved rather than waste time and effort on a learning remote - recent reviews of the SBG2 have slated it's looks when comparing with the Roku, and frankly I wish it were better looking too :) -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Spectrum Analyzer reversed?
vidurapparao Wrote: The specturm analyzer and FFT are computed in firmware. This was the conclusion I eventually came to but hadn't updated this post - it seems the most one can do by modifying the SlimServer code is adjust the frequency bias. vidurapparao Wrote: The FFT library used is Kiss FFT (http://sourceforge.net/projects/kissfft/). While the firmware is not open-sourced, a close facsimile of the spectrum analyzer generation can be found within Richard Titmuss' xcellent Softsqueeze (see http://tinyurl.com/do8p6. SoftSqueeze does indeed achieve a fairly (but not 100%) accurate representation of an SB2 spectrum analyzer. :) vidurapparao Wrote: Any submissions to improve the spectrum analyzer within Softsqueeze could potentially be ported back to the SB2...keeping in mind that the code will need to run in a fixed-point, memory-constrained embedded environment. --Vidur Sounds tricky, and I think out of my league :( -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Spectrum Analyzer reversed?
I've generated some test tones (100-3000 in 100Hz increments, then 1000Hz incrememnts up to 14Khz) and it seems that the 8-bar Spectrum Analyzer is not weighting the lower frequencies as strongly as it possibly should. I tested using MP3 format as for some reason my SBG2 wouldn't play the WAV formats. It would appear that the following frequencies correspond to each bar: Code: Bar 1 - 0Hz - 1000Hz Bar 1 2 - 1100Hz - 1900Hz Bar 2 - 2000Hz - 2500Hz Bar 2 3 - 2600Hz - 3000Hz Bar 3 - 4000Hz Bar 4 - 5000Hz Bar 4 5 - 6000Hz Bar 5 6 - 7000Hz Bar 6 - 8000Hz Bar 7 - 9000Hz Bar 7 8 - 10,000Hz Bar 8 - 11,000Hz Bar 7 8 - 12,000Hz Bar 7 - 13,000Hz Bar 6 7 - 14,000Hz Bar 8 14,000 13,000 12,000 11,000 40005000 60007000 80009000 10,000 2600-3000 2000-2500 1100-1900 0 - 1000 Bar 1 | Bar 2 | Bar 3 | Bar 4 | Bar 5 | Bar 6 | Bar 7 | Bar 8 | For some reason frequencies above 11K are begin to appear in lower bars of the analyzer. It would better, I think, if the first 4 bars were used to represent frquencies between 0-3500Hz, with the remaining 4 bars used for frequencies above 3000Hz. This may give a better representation that at present. eg. Code: 11,000+ 10,000 9000 8000 7000 6000 5000 4000 3100-3500 2600-3000 2100-2500 1600-2000 1100-1500 600-1000 0 - 500 Bar 1 | Bar 2 | Bar 3 | Bar 4 | Bar 5 | Bar 6 | Bar 7 | Bar 8 | I'll take a look and see if I can tweak anything in squeezebox2.pm, but as I know next to nothing about Perl I'm not expecting much success! :) -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Spectrum Analyzer reversed?
radish Wrote: Apologies for the poor ascii art but you get the idea. Vidur posted how to adjust the sensitivity a while ago, I may try turning the first band down. A picture is worth a thousand words - never more true in this case, your picture is an accurate representation of the over sensitivity of the left-most band, which distorts the analysis. I'll work on some test tones later in the week and come up with data identifying which tones fall into which band... -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Spectrum Analyzer reversed?
Since I first got my SB2 (having ugpraded from a Slimp3 to an SBG) it always struck me that the Spectrum Analyzer seems to be reversed, that is the high frequencies are on the left with the lower freqencies on the right. This seems the opposite of most other spectrum analyzers I've ever experinced, where bass/low frequency is always on the left. Is this intentional, my imagination, or can it be reversed as I would prefer low frequencies on the left as this is what I'm used to (perhaps a user pref?) Finally, anyway to show remaining buffer when a visualisation is enabled - the remaining buffer is always useful when listening to internet radio. It seems the remaining buffer (or buffer fullness) isn't shown when a visualisation is enabled, even if the options is enabled in the user preference. -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Spectrum Analyzer reversed?
Not sure, I'm referring to the frequency spectrum analyzer, the one with multiple bands for each frequency - it seems high frequencies are on the left, low frequencies on the right which seems to be the opposite of the norm... are you referring to the two-band analyzer which I guess represents left/right channel, although I don't use it so can't be sure :) -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Spectrum Analyzer reversed?
Thanks for the info kdf, and Max - sorry for my confusion. I tend to use the small spectrum analyzer and remaining time setting which results in 8 bands, each of which (I assumed) represented distinct frequencies... it wasn't obvious there was any mirroring going on as I quite often observe a peak in a left-most band when for example, a cymbal is playing, and bass seems to affect the right most bands. Will now read the links to Vidurs explanation. :) -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Spectrum Analyzer reversed?
seanadams Wrote: 8-band analyzer: This represents left and right channels summed together, ie mono. The left side of the display is bass and right side is treble. If it doesn't look correct, try a different track having more distinct transients on the high end. I'll do some more investigation and try to find some test tones, shame I can't rip my Avia DVD AV setup disc - I'll try it later in the week if I get the right software... :) Perhaps the limited number of bands is confusing my ear/eye co-ordination, as the left-most band seems to see more activity than would appear reasonable. (Note that this isn't a specific issue with the latest 14 firmware or 6.1b1, it's always been this way.) seanadams Wrote: Full-screen analyzer: 32 for left ch and 32 for right ch. Left bass is on the left Right bass is on the right To the immediate left and right of the middle of the screen are the left and right treble bands, respectively. Right gotcha, that makes sense. The penny has dropped at last! ;) -- Milhouse ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
