Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
So could this project have continued if it had been called something other than Community Squeeze? Was it just the name or was it other issues? Seems rather strange and very sad, especially after all the work that was as put into the development. Transporter (Black) Cyrus 8XPd QX BW CDM1NT Speakers CD/HDD Recorder: Alesis Masterlink ML-9600 http://www.last.fm/user/norderney1962 norderney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=378 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JackOfAll wrote: Michael, if John or Greg has not already asked you to do this, and you are reading this, please, please, lock this thread. John Swenson has edited his original post and removed the section asking for no posts here and for the thread to be closed. I therefore see no reason to close it. Also if a different version appear without the apparently toxic name Community Squeeze attached to it, I'd like to hear about it in this thread since I am subscribed to it. A link to a new thread for a new version would be sufficient, but it gets the attention of thread subscribers. Locking the thread prevents that kind of thing. Why are you so keen for threads to be locked and all discussion stifled? Owen Smith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42371 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Ok, now I am totally confused. Two days ago John Swenson wrote a long post, saying the Project is not dead and that a kit for the Wandboard will be available and a day late the same John Swenson wrote the project is dead and that there will be no kit. This after months of silence. So why make the first anoncement anyway? This is completely bizarre. I had jumped on the wagon and bought a Wandboard at the very beginning of this project. Then suddenly it all ended up in drama. So glad that Picoreplayer and SOA works. So actually there is no need for this kit / device or whatever you want to call it anymore. Its alive / It's dead - all within a day, slighlty ridiculous. LMS 7.9.0 on Wandboard (SoA) Synology DS-410j NAS Squeezebox Touch, Squeezebox Boom, Squeezebox Radio, HifiBerry PicorePlayer Schiit - BIFROST Dac Spotify Premium iPhone: iPeng - iPad: Squeezepad, iPengHD Squeezemenicely's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41812 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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skip_pack wrote: It would seem that the most provocative characteristic of these revelations is the name -Community Squeeze-. I would hope a path whose goals are consonant with those associated with that dreaded name will become apparent. Skip In which case why wasn't that said in the first posting about there being a problem? Owen Smith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42371 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Owen Smith wrote: I for one want to know what all these legal issues are. Because having spoken to a lawyer friend and described the situation as it is publicly known on these threads, he can't see what the so called legal issue is. I'm sorry, but I just don't believe this. Hence I am asking questions on this thread, since the previous chap who gave up on CSOS for the same so-called reasons wouldn't reply. You are doing yourselves no favours by not explaining what the alleged legal issues are. EDIT: I suspect you have been patent trolled or something similar. Squeezemenicely wrote: Ok, now I am totally confused. Two days ago John Swenson wrote a long post, saying the Project is not dead and that a kit for the Wandboard will be available and a day later the same John Swenson wrote the project is dead and that there will be no kit. This after months of silence. So why make the first anoncement anyway? This is completely bizarre. I had jumped on the wagon and bought a Wandboard at the very beginning of this project. Then suddenly it all ended up in drama. So glad that Picoreplayer and SOA works. So actually there is no need for this kit / device or whatever you want to call it anymore. Its alive / It's dead - all within a day, slighlty ridiculous. Michael, if John or Greg has not already asked you to do this, and you are reading this, please, please, lock this thread. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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On 1/29/15 2:05 AM, JohnSwenson wrote: I'm hear to announce that this project is not dead! Fantastic news! I was just yesterday lamenting the fact that this project appeared lost. Can't wait to see and hear the results. (If there's any penciling going on yet) Pencil me in for two units. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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JohnSwenson wrote: Due to legal issues that I was not aware of, this project is hereby terminated. Please do not make any more posts on this thread. Please do not ask any questions on this thread. I'm sorry to all of you that have been interested in this for quite some time, but this must cease now. John S. I for one want to know what all these legal issues are. Because having spoken to a lawyer friend and described the situation as it is publicly known on these threads, he can't see what the so called legal issue is. I'm sorry, but I just don't believe this. Hence I am asking questions on this thread, since the previous chap who gave up on CSOS for the same so-called reasons wouldn't reply. You are doing yourselves no favours by not explaining what the alleged legal issues are. Owen Smith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42371 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Owen Smith wrote: I for one want to know what all these legal issues are. Because having spoken to a lawyer friend and described the situation as it is publicly known on these threads, he can't see what the so called legal issue is. I'm sorry, but I just don't believe this. Hence I am asking questions on this thread, since the previous chap who gave up on CSOS for the same so-called reasons wouldn't reply. You are doing yourselves no favours by not explaining what the alleged legal issues are. EDIT: I suspect you have been patent trolled or something similar. Perhaps you should show a little respect for the individuals who have spent countless hours working on this and now feel they are required to take these steps. Whether you believe it matters not. Speaking to a lawyer friend does not give you the right to disregard the request made by JS. jfo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1135 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Due to legal issues that I was not aware of, this project is hereby terminated. Please do not make any more posts on this thread. Please do not ask any questions on this thread. I'm sorry to all of you that have been interested in this for quite some time, but this must cease now. John S. JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Community Squeeze, as a project for the Wandboard has ended. It is no more! Do not purchase a Wandboard with the specific intention of installing a Community Squeeze HW on it. Community Squeeze is no longer available. JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Here we go again... LOL! JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Yesterday the project was not dead. Today it is. I had followed this for quite a long time. I am disappointed on several levels. Maybe I am just naïve. dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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dasmueller wrote: Yesterday the project was not dead. Today it is. I had followed this for quite a long time. I am disappointed on several levels. Maybe I am just naïve. It would seem that the most provocative characteristic of these revelations is the name -Community Squeeze-. I would hope a path whose goals are consonant with those associated with that dreaded name will become apparent. Skip skip_pack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59103 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I'm really sorry, but the wording of these recent posts immediately reminded me of ... http://youtu.be/KniUNdVZvH4 Sorry for any offense. snoogly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9155 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Thank you guys. This is fantastic news! I am looking forward to the next :D bernid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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JohnSwenson wrote: Hi all, I'm hear to announce that this project is not dead! One of the members here, Greg Stewart has agreed to head up this project. Greg has enlisted a talented man to develop the custom driver needed to interface the iMX6 processor to my DAC hardware. It is actually playing music at this point. While working on the driver specs I realized that the interface into the iMX6 I had been planning on was not going to work. Some frantic manual reading later I found a different interface which will work for what we want. Unfortunately this was not directly available on the EDM connector. Almost all of the chip pins can be muxed to multiple logical signals so I was able to find pins that could be muxed to something that WAS on the EDM connector. Of course this meant that the original test board would not work, so I had to design a new test board. I gave the board design to Greg and he built several, the driver has been developed to work with this and is now playing music. This also means that the CSP1 board has to be modified for the new interface. Fortunately all the hard stuff such as giga-bit Ethernet, USB etc stay the same, it is just the I2S out that is changing. The driver is designed to work with Triode's SoA project, it is currently already working with SoA. The scope of the project is essentially the same. We will be offering it as a DIY group buy rather than a full out of the box product. You will need to buy a wandboard, this board and the case. The only assembly tool required is a screwdriver. The assembly consists of unscrewing the module from the wandboard, screwing it into the CSP1 board, sliding the board into the case and screwing in the back panel. All the details of the board are the same as discussed in this thread already. After some hiatus this project is going full steam again. I wish the thank Greg for taking over the project management for this and keeping things going. John S. Acting on legal advice, I am required to state, that I have absolutely no involvement with this hardware/project. skip_pack wrote: I have followed since the inception of Community Squeeze.. Acting on legal advice, I am required to state, that the entity Community Squeeze, which was an informal partnership between myself, Adrian and John, was ended! (Although liability still remains.) And for the sake of clarity, (because I received several emails about this yesterday), it is purely a timing coincidence that after not posting for 3 months, John made his announcement yesterday. AFAIK, there isn't anything to be read into this, or the timing of the announcement. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Thanks! John Marshall LMS 7.9 running on a DIY PC, Windows 7 64 bit, (1) Transporter, (4) Booms (2) CSOS SqueezeliteWands. SqueezePad iPeng for controllers. Music Room setup: Transporter = Rotel RC1070 preamp = Rotel RB1080 2 channel amp = Bowers Wilkins 805 Speakers. Headphone setup: SqueezeliteWandQuad = Mytek 192 DAC = Woo Audio WA22 balanced headphone amp = Sennheiser HD800 headphones. Squeezed_Rotel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30002 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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JohnSwenson wrote: Hi all, I'm hear to announce that this project is not dead! Oooh, now there's a bit of good news, good work guys! :) Are you still planning to use the same Hammond case and do you still need a hand with the backplate design? cheers, James JRatron's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62101 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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JRatron wrote: Oooh, now there's a bit of good news, good work guys! :) Are you still planning to use the same Hammond case and do you still need a hand with the backplate design? cheers, James Yes it is the same case. I have been through 2 connector test boards and I need to do another. I have to change the RCA jacks, the current ones are a little too flimsy. Also the BNC jack is not quite positioned right, but that entails tweaking the position of 5 other jacks. It's a complicated dance to get it all just right. I'll send you one when I get it put together. Thanks, John S. JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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This is great news. I have followed since the inception of Community Squeeze and feared this path to a very high quality LMS/SBS-based system was not getting closer. Since the project has likely progressed a bit more in the quiet (from an observer's perspective) period, it seems like this might be a somewhat more finished first release. Maybe a CSP1.2, so to speak. Do you envision producing a larger run than you originally mentioned? I believe you said 25 or so early last year. I live near the SF Bay Area (Hollister) and could help occasionally, if and when such help might be needed. Skip Pack skip_pack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59103 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Sorry for the +1 style post, but this is fantastic news. Count me in! Bodshal's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13232 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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How does the community funded squeezebox compare to the Transporter. Obviously I know it won't have a built in screen, but how does the sound quality compare? Would I need to use an external DAC? Any idea how much it will cost approximately? I am not a DIY person but if it just requires a screwdriver then I might be able to put it together. Transporter (Black) Cyrus 8XPd QX BW CDM1NT Speakers CD/HDD Recorder: Alesis Masterlink ML-9600 http://www.last.fm/user/norderney1962 norderney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=378 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Hi all, I'm hear to announce that this project is not dead! One of the members here, Greg Stewart has agreed to head up this project. Greg has enlisted a talented man to develop the custom driver needed to interface the iMX6 processor to my DAC hardware. It is actually playing music at this point. While working on the driver specs I realized that the interface into the iMX6 I had been planning on was not going to work. Some frantic manual reading later I found a different interface which will work for what we want. Unfortunately this was not directly available on the EDM connector. Almost all of the chip pins can be muxed to multiple logical signals so I was able to find pins that could be muxed to something that WAS on the EDM connector. Of course this meant that the original test board would not work, so I had to design a new test board. I gave the board design to Greg and he built several, the driver has been developed to work with this and is now playing music. This also means that the CSP1 board has to be modified for the new interface. Fortunately all the hard stuff such as giga-bit Ethernet, USB etc stay the same, it is just the I2S out that is changing. The driver is designed to work with Triode's SoA project, it is currently already working with SoA. The scope of the project is essentially the same. We will be offering it as a DIY group buy rather than a full out of the box product. You will need to buy a wandboard, this board and the case. The only assembly tool required is a screwdriver. The assembly consists of unscrewing the module from the wandboard, screwing it into the CSP1 board, sliding the board into the case and screwing in the back panel. All the details of the board are the same as discussed in this thread already. After some hiatus this project is going full steam again. I wish the thank Greg for taking over the project management for this and keeping things going. John S. JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Please write what are the news about the project? I see that the latest information was published three months ago. I still have hope that the project is not dead :-) bernid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I have to admit, I'm no longer interested in this project. Perhaps someone will pick up the slack and produce a Squeezebox replacement in a timely manner. And with a little less drama. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Owen Smith wrote: With just a Receiver and Boom sync'd, cabled ethernet from the same switch, I got several glitches per minute. It was unusable. I posted logs, turned up server logging levels on request and posted more logs etc. Never got any significant insight so I gave up. I could also never get SqueezePlay on my laptop to reliably sync with either the Receiver or the Boom. EDIT: I should add this was playing local server based 16/44.1 or 24/48 FLACs, no transcoding or reliance on streaming from the Internet. Instead I just run a Receiver into my hifi. Then to multi room the hifi I bought two pairs of Dynaudio Xeo 3 wireless speakers, one pair for the kitchen and one pair fo my study. Damned expensive for what they do, but worth ever penny. The sound quality is more than I could ever have expected, especially given the speaker positions. And now I can multi room sync FM radio or the TV if I want to. All I'm looking for from a SqueezeBox replacement is something like the Receiver ie. converts ethernet to SPDIF, but can handle up to 24/96 native without needing resamplng in LMS. If it could handle multi channel up to 5.1 FLACs that would be a bonus, but I'd need it as 5.1 analogue outputs (no HDMI audio in my AV amp) so that seems unlikely. I too have zero issues perfectly synching multiple players running all day long (transporter, radio, boom, touch, with radio on WIFI). I will note however, that a couple of years ago I was trying to use an older winXP laptop (wired) for my LMS temporarily and had terrible luck with sync (logs showed things getting out of synch every few minutes). I never got to the bottom of it (and was back to using my vortexbox linux server soon anyhow). I tested my other newer Win7 laptop at the time and it was perfect with synch. So definitely the problem was related to LMS running on the particular old XP laptop. *Location 1:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) LMS 7.8 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VBA 3TB (2.3) LMS 7.8 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.8 Squeezelite *Spares:* VBA 4TB, SB3, Touch (3), Radio (3), CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone4S iPad2 (iPeng7 Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Tagging - mp3tag, Streaming - Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Any updates on the progress of the boards for this project? BNAL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2582 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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dasmueller wrote: You speak of the unit using a Linux OS. For those of us not familiar w the Linux OS will that not cause issues, or have you figured out a way to keep it simple/stupid for folks like me ? Just because the core engine is Linux doesn't mean it has to be exposed to the user. You probably already have several (maybe dozens) of Linux-based appliances in your home without even realising it: most modern TVs, PVRs, etc (probably even toasters these days) are built on a Linux core. Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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cliveb wrote: Just because the core engine is Linux doesn't mean it has to be exposed to the user. You probably already have several (maybe dozens) of Linux-based appliances in your home without even realising it: most modern TVs, PVRs, etc (probably even toasters these days) are built on a Linux core. A good example is that Android is based on Linus at the core. Murray (N.Z.) murrays's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60066 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland wrote: .that there isn't any commercial Squeezebox compatible product out there, I think this is not entirely true. What about the SOtM sMS-100? foxx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36364 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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foxx wrote:
I think this is not entirely true. What about the SOtM sMS-100?
Didn't know about that one, but it requires an external DAC and I'm not
sure if that's what most people want.
Do you have any idea if anyone actually sells it ? I could find a lot of
redistributors on their site but none of the one I checked actually sold
SOtM sMS-100, feels like I must be looking at the wrong place ?
Do you know at what price it's sold ?
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erland wrote: Didn't know about that one, but it requires an external DAC and I'm not sure if that's what most people want. Do you have any idea if anyone actually sells it ? I could find a lot of redistributors on their site but none of the one I checked actually sold SOtM sMS-100, feels like I must be looking at the wrong place ? Do you know at what price it's sold ? This one's commercially available in Belgium and the Netherlands: http://klinktbeter.be/index.php/432-hz/sotm-432-hz-streamer Main System: Touch; Marantz SR-5004; TMA Premium 905; TMA Premium 901; BK Monolith+ FF; HDI Dune Smart D1; Pioneer PDP-LX5090H iPad 32GB Wifi + Squeezepad (local playback activated) Acer Iconia Tab A700 + Squeezeplayer Wandboard Duallite + CSOS, integrated LMS activated bakker_be's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30369 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bakker_be wrote: This one's commercially available in Belgium and the Netherlands: http://klinktbeter.be/index.php/432-hz/sotm-432-hz-streamer Looks like it's sold at the audiophile price of 3000 euros (approx) ! Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker (mothballed) Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker - Airplay O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers - Airplay IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker - AirPlay castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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castalla wrote:
Looks like it's sold at the audiophile price of 3000 euros (approx) !
Yes, the SOtM sMS-1000 is more in the price range of the Transporter.
I found the SOtM sMS-100 on eBay for EUR 499 and you would also need a
reasonably cheap USB DAC for additionally EUR 50-100 to make it play
some music, so it gets a bit more expensive than a Squeezebox Touch and
it's a bit harder to get since it's not available in your local store
and it's going to look more ugly since you need two boxes with a cable
in-between, but other than that I guess it would work.
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cliveb wrote: Just because the core engine is Linux doesn't mean it has to be exposed to the user. You probably already have several (maybe dozens) of Linux-based appliances in your home without even realising it: most modern TVs, PVRs, etc (probably even toasters these days) are built on a Linux core. Thanks for clarifying this. I was unaware of that as others may have been as well. dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Just to add that we're not far off launching our product, which will also be Squeeze compatible. Looks like there'll be a few options for people :) mintaudio's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59106 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mintaudio wrote: Just to add that we're not far off launching our product, which will also be Squeeze compatible. Looks like there'll be a few options for people :) What product is that? Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker (mothballed) Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker - Airplay O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers - Airplay IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker - AirPlay castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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John Westlake's 'M-DAC2' (http://mdac2.lakewestaudio.com/) will most probably have a squeezebox option as well. John plans on using the new 'Raspberry Pi Compute' (http://www.raspberrypi.org/raspberry-pi-compute-module-new-product/) module that can be fitted inside the M-DAC2 to function as a streamer. 'M-DAC' (http://www.audiolab.co.uk/M-DAC%20Series.aspx?lang=En) - 'Cambridge Audio Azur 840E' (http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/azur-840e-pre-amplifier) - 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) - 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB3, 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio and 2 x SB Touch - all wireless 1 x Wandboard Dual behind the bedroom ceiling 1 x Wandboard Dual for 'msqueeze' (http://www.msqueeze.co.nf/index.html) project 1 x Wandboard Quad (will eventually become my LMS server) ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.8.1. - 1402661598 iPeng 7 on iPhone. SqueezePad iPeng 7 on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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How well are the Squeezebox clones built on consumer ARM-based boards doing sync these days? JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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JJZolx wrote: How well are the Squeezebox clones built on consumer ARM-based boards doing sync these days? I have no issues at all with my wandboard (still using CSOS) vs. a Touch Main System: Touch; Marantz SR-5004; TMA Premium 905; TMA Premium 901; BK Monolith+ FF; HDI Dune Smart D1; Pioneer PDP-LX5090H iPad 32GB Wifi + Squeezepad (local playback activated) Acer Iconia Tab A700 + Squeezeplayer Wandboard Duallite + CSOS, integrated LMS activated bakker_be's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30369 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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JJZolx wrote: How well are the Squeezebox clones built on consumer ARM-based boards doing sync these days? I have three WB's running all without issues. Even sync'd they work very well and I consider them as true Squeezeboxes. There are plenty of ARM boards out there who are running Squeezelite successfully. So to answer your question: extremely well !! 'M-DAC' (http://www.audiolab.co.uk/M-DAC%20Series.aspx?lang=En) - 'Cambridge Audio Azur 840E' (http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/azur-840e-pre-amplifier) - 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) - 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB3, 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio and 2 x SB Touch - all wireless 1 x Wandboard Dual behind the bedroom ceiling 1 x Wandboard Dual for 'msqueeze' (http://www.msqueeze.co.nf/index.html) project 1 x Wandboard Quad (will eventually become my LMS server) ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.8.1. - 1402661598 iPeng 7 on iPhone. SqueezePad iPeng 7 on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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JJZolx wrote: How well are the Squeezebox clones built on consumer ARM-based boards doing sync these days? I could never get a Boom and a Receiver to sync reliably. I gave up trying after a couple of years of messing about with no significant improvement. Even feeding them both with cabled ethernet from the same network switch didn't help. Owen Smith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42371 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Owen Smith wrote: I could never get a Boom and a Receiver to sync reliably. I gave up trying after a couple of years of messing about with no significant improvement. Even feeding them both with cabled ethernet from the same network switch didn't help. That's odd. They should sync perfectly. I have a variety of devices all over the house (2 Receivers, 2 Radios, 2 Touches, 3 Booms), all connected via WiFi, and I routinely have at least 4 or 5 playing in sync (and at times have had all 9), sometimes for several hours, with no glitches. On weekends there are often two Receivers, a Touch, Radio and Boom all playing in sync all day. If yours were cabled and still didn't sync, I wonder if there might be a hardware problem, rather than something with the software. Dogberry2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Pascal Hibon wrote: Now that Logitech abandoned the Squeezebox lineup there's a good chance that Squeezebox will soon rule the world :-) What do you mean by abandoned the Squeezebox lineup ? They still have the UE smart radio. And sorry to ask, maybe it's not the right thread, but I don't read the forum very often and I don't understand why one could do his own squeezebox and on the other hand it seems that there was legal complications with jackofall CSOS. Could someone enlighten me ? 1 SB3, 1 radio, 1 touch Plugins : IR Blaster, Smartmix, MusicIP Antoniop's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Antoniop wrote: What do you mean by abandoned the Squeezebox lineup ? They still have the UE smart radio. UE is no Squeezebox. Squeezebox was abandoned a few years ago! And by the way, Logitech also dropped the UE Radio. So that story is over too. 'M-DAC' (http://www.audiolab.co.uk/M-DAC%20Series.aspx?lang=En) - 'Cambridge Audio Azur 840E' (http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/azur-840e-pre-amplifier) - 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) - 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB3, 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio and 2 x SB Touch - all wireless 1 x Wandboard Dual behind the bedroom ceiling 1 x Wandboard Dual for 'msqueeze' (http://www.msqueeze.co.nf/index.html) project 1 x Wandboard Quad (will eventually become my LMS server) ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.8.1. - 1402661598 iPeng 7 on iPhone. SqueezePad iPeng 7 on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Antoniop wrote: What do you mean by abandoned the Squeezebox lineup ? They still have the UE smart radio. UE Smart Radio is not a SqueezeBox, at least not as sold. And even if it were, that's hardly a complete product lineup all on its own is it? Frankly, something like the SqueezeBox 3 is a more complete product. Owen Smith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42371 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Dogberry2 wrote: That's odd. They should sync perfectly. I have a variety of devices all over the house (2 Receivers, 2 Radios, 2 Touches, 3 Booms), all connected via WiFi, and I routinely have at least 4 or 5 playing in sync (and at times have had all 9), sometimes for several hours, with no glitches. On weekends there are often two Receivers, a Touch, Radio and Boom all playing in sync all day. If yours were cabled and still didn't sync, I wonder if there might be a hardware problem, rather than something with the software. With just a Receiver and Boom sync'd, cabled ethernet from the same switch, I got several glitches per minute. It was unusable. I posted logs, turned up server logging levels on request and posted more logs etc. Never got any significant insight so I gave up. I could also never get SqueezePlay on my laptop to reliably sync with either the Receiver or the Boom. Instead I just run a Receiver into my hifi. Then to multi room the hifi I bought two pairs of Dynaudio Xeo 3 wireless speakers, one pair for the kitchen and one pair fo my study. Damned expensive for what they do, but worth ever penny. The sound quality is more than I could ever have expected, especially given the speaker positions. And now I can multi room sync FM radio or the TV if I want to. All I'm looking for from a SqueezeBox replacement is something like the Receiver ie. converts ethernet to SPDIF, but can handle up to 24/96 native without needing resamplng in LMS. If it could handle multi channel up to 5.1 FLACs that would be a bonus, but I'd need it as 5.1 analogue outputs (no HDMI audio in my AV amp) so that seems unlikely. Owen Smith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42371 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I'm really pleased to read John's latest post, about a company and things moving forward. I really do hope that John and Adrian get a product released and wish them well. I'm probably about a week (or two at most) from showing my hand, which is why I have been so quiet for the last couple of months. There will be a commercial product, but there will also be DIY version for people who want to source their own parts and install the software themselves. It's not based on the Wandboard, BeagleBone or Cubietruck Triode seems to have all those covered with what he has been doing with his Squeeze on Arch, and I'm trying to avoid stepping on any toes. Unlike what happened with CS, things have been done right from the get-go, company set-up, trade marks applied for, to put things on a proper footing from day one. While I suspect that some people will have an issue with it being a commercial venture, I would like to be clear that to be able to offer any sort of DIY type product, it has to be funded somehow. I paid a small fortune, (out of my own pocket), for things like web hosting and legal advice for CS. I can't do that again, so somehow the money for those sort of things has to come from somewhere. Offering a finished product for the non-geeky, non-DIY'ers, was the only way to go, to be able to offer a community version at a sensible price. So, far from being dead, the idea of there being a replacement for the Squeezebox, it's still alive and kicking.. And from an end-user perspective, it would be great to have a choice, about which hardware to go with, rather than there only being a single choice. PS. I won't be answering any questions, until the product is launched. Prefer to let the end-user do the talking, once they have the device in their hands. The first production unit is being shipped to a beta tester, (hi Pascal), early next week. The beta testers don't know exactly what they are getting and won't be able to talk about it until the company website goes live. May all sound a little cloak and dagger, but I cannot risk the product being copied and for someone else to start marketing it, before our web site and online shop are live. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Let's just hope it really is a product and not just another variation of a Linux distro adapted to run on an off-the-shelf computer in a box. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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JJZolx wrote: Let's just hope it really is a product and not just another variation of a Linux distro adapted to run on an off-the-shelf computer in a box. I hope you will be pleasantly surprised. By the design by the flexibility by the sound quality. But on the basis it uses a Linux OS, and the computer part is available off-the-shelf from several electronic suppliers, maybe you wont. ;) JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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JackOfAll wrote: I hope you will be pleasantly surprised. By the design by the flexibility by the sound quality. ;) Could you ship mine out now please? If no one in, please leave in greenhouse. ;) kidstypike 1x SB3 - 1x Boom - 1x (Squeezebox) Radio - 2x Touch - 1x piCorePlayer kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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JackOfAll wrote: I hope you will be pleasantly surprised. By the design by the flexibility by the sound quality. But on the basis it uses a Linux OS, and the computer part is available off-the-shelf from several well known electronic suppliers, maybe you wont. ;) You speak of the unit using a Linux OS. For those of us not familiar w the Linux OS will that not cause issues, or have you figured out a way to keep it simple/stupid for folks like me ? Glad to hear that there appears to be progress being made and a new unit being on the market in the not too distant future. Thanks for your efforts !! dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Commercial is not a dirty word, JackOfAll. I'm glad you're finding an opportunity to get back in the game, and hope at the very least you're able to recoup what you have already invested. Being a fervent capitalist myself, I hope you actually end up in the black when all is said and done. Thanks for the update, and I'll keep my fingers crossed that we'll be seeing a viable product in the near future. 2-SB3s, 1-Duet, 1-Touch...and an iPeng convert. GeeJay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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JackOfAll wrote:
There will be a commercial product
Commercial isn't a bad thing as long as your primary focus it to create
a great product, most excellent music related hardware out there are
commercial products, including the Squeezebox hardware which we all
love. As long as you create a great product most people won't have a
problem that you earn some money on it. Also, making it commercial means
that people can be sure the company behind it also have an economical
interest to maintain it, offer warranty/support and develop it further
to create even better products in the future.
JackOfAll wrote:
but there will also be DIY version for people who want to source their
own parts and install the software themselves.
Sounds great, just ensure that the DIY version doesn't affect the
commercial product so it gets harder to setup and use.
Assuming the commercial product is designed for our needs and have a
competitive price, I believe most people around here are going to be
more interested in the commercial product than the DIY solution. I
believe the current DIY interest in the forum mostly come from the fact
that there isn't any commercial Squeezebox compatible product out there,
so people are more or less forced to build their own.
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It was frustrating when Community Squeeze died as I was contemplating purchasing a Wandboard. I currently use a Vortexbox Mini with usb dac and control it with a Ipeng. I also have a wireless PiCoreplayer in the kitchen, attached to a Squeezebox Boom. Both fulfil my needs and use the latest Community Server. As a result I no longer need my Touch. So unless the plethora of recent softwares and devices can better this, I shall just stick with what I have. I'm also unsure that the recent Community Squeeze collapse isn't related to a move to a more commercial venture. If you have a dac addition that is remarkable sounding, why would you not wish to profit from it? Corelli45's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=55246 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Corelli45 wrote: It was frustrating when Community Squeeze died as I was contemplating purchasing a Wandboard. SNIP I'm also unsure that the recent Community Squeeze collapse isn't related to a move to a more commercial venture. If you have a dac addition that is remarkable sounding, why would you not wish to profit from it? Corelli45, With all due respect, I dont think your comments about the Community Squeeze Project moving to a more commercial venture are warranted. If you go through the posts by JackOfAll, Triode, and John Swenson over the last several months, I think youd find little or no evidence that a move to commercialize this has occurred. JackOfAll provided a lot of information about the negative impact his involvement in the project had on his financial (and likely mental) well-being. He did try to move some of his contributions to a commercial product, partly to defray this impact, but more to keep it available for the community when he could not on his own. Triode developed and has made Squeezelite available for almost two years on his own dime. Now he appears to be doing the same with Squeeze-on-Arch as a way to keep this project alive and moving when the original path that caused JackOfAll so many problems had to be abandoned. And based on his comments here (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?101613-What-happened-to-communitysqueeze-orgp=782396viewfull=1#post782396), John Swenson is continuing the development of the hardware portion of the CSP. My hope is that this will be available in the near future. Reading around the internet, one can see that John does have a couple of products that are seeing commercial release in the near future the Uptone Audio JS-2 power supply and the Bottlehead DAC. While the latter shares some of the concepts and technology with the CSP hardware, I cant see any way his efforts there impacted this project and I doubt both of these together will do more than provide him with a little drinking money. OTOH, I for one am very interested in the hardware side of this project. Since 2009 Ive been running a computer music server using an I2S-connected DAC as my main music source. I found to work very well sonically and it has been a very rewarding DIY project. But what I have read about Johns Wandboard add-on DAC suggests it will eclipse my efforts. Others have reported good results with not-to-dissimilar setups using the Raspberry Pi, BeagleBone (see here: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/twisted-pear/250583-building-open-embedded-audio-applicance.html), and other embedded computers. I think the embedded computer plus an I2S-connected DAC is an excellent way to go and it avoids the added complexity of a USB DAC. I too am frustrated by the number of potholes this project has run into over the past 6 months or so. I had hoped to be listening to a CSP since early this year. But the continued development of Squeeze-on-Arch and Johns comment referenced above make me think that the project is not dead yet just resting (and hopefully gathering strength!). Greg in Mississippi gstew's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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The project is definitely NOT dead! I am currently in discussions with a company that is willing to help us out by setting up a corporation so that both the software and hardware can be released without the developers fearing that someone will take their house away. This company will also help with the distribution and shipping of the hardware products for a small fee (which is what we had always planned on doing, I don't have time or resources to box up and ship hundreds of these things out of my garage!) They are willing to be completely hands off, we still control what happens. I haven't made a formal announcement yet, there are still a lot of discussions going on about the details, it's going to take some time to get it all worked out. The design is still the same, based on a Wandboard module, so those that have already bought a Wandboard or are thinking about it will not be out that investment. I'm sorry this has taken so long to get out there, it WILL happen, but I can't put an exact date on it yet. John S. JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Why not convince that company to produce an actual product. Maybe even one designed from the ground up? I'm curious about the price point at this junction. I think I saw a number quite a while ago quoted in Euros that would translate to about USD $500. That's not going to fly. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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JJZolx wrote: Why not convince that company to produce an actual product? Maybe even one designed from the ground up? I'm curious about the price point at this junction. I think I saw a number quite a while ago quoted in Euros that would translate to about USD $500. That's not going to fly. Quickly going back through the threads, I didn't see any definite prices. Me, I'm interested in the add-on board alone... I have the Wandboard and the case, I have a starter power supply will make a better one when I get this going, so for hardware, just what was known as the CSP1 or CSP2 board is what I need. I saw a guess-timate of $200 for that here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98544-Community-Squeeze-OS-R3p=751392viewfull=1#post751392 , but don't know if that had any basis in reality. But if that board provides sound quality similar to that attributed to the similar-concept and design Bottlehead DAC, I'd be a very happy camper with that. And if you can get a full unit for $500-ish that compares in sound quality to the Bottlehead DAC at a projected $1600 or so and is mainly limited by being a computer source instead of a USB/SPDIF/Toshlink-input DAC, it'd be a great buy if you can live with that limitation (and I suspect many can, especially current or past Logitech Squeezebox users). My major concern now is product window... how long with Wandboards be available, what else will come along that my supplant the CSP concept, how many sales opportunities will have been lost due to people going down other paths if the unit becomes available say in Fall 2014 versus Winter 2014... or later? My hope is that it becomes available before any of these or other pitfalls become an issue and kills it! Greg in Mississippi gstew's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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gstew wrote: I saw a guess-timate of $200 for that here My memory is probably badly off, then. I think $200 for the carrier board is doable. My major concern now is product window... how long with Wandboards be available I was wondering a bit about that, too. The Wandboard doesn't seem to enjoy quite the popularity of other ARM-based hobbyist boards. Could that project just fold up one day, before this project is finished? what else will come along that my supplant the CSP concept, how many sales opportunities will have been lost due to people going down other paths if the unit becomes available say in Fall 2014 versus Winter 2014... or later? My hope is that it becomes available before any of these or other pitfalls become an issue and kills it! That's a good question. I don't think it's looking like 2014 is even remotely possible, given the progress so far. The way it's looking, I'd be a little surprised (but happily so) to see anything finished in 2015. This is why I'd love to see someone like John push a manufacturer to not just help with distribution, but to take up the reigns and really design a full commercial replacement for Squeezebox. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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JJZolx wrote: This is why I'd love to see someone like John push a manufacturer to not just help with distribution, but to take up the reigns and really design a full commercial replacement for Squeezebox. Me, too. If it improves speed-to-market, and perhaps allows a larger feature set, I'd pay a bit more to see someone profit off of Logitech's mistake in dropping the line. After all, if I seek out an alternative, I'm looking at replacing 4 SBs and adding a 5th. All of a sudden, a bit more than $200 for a single unit isn't that big a deal any more. 2-SB3s, 1-Duet, 1-Touch...and an iPeng convert. GeeJay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Just wondering what exactly are the potential legal issues faced by developers. LMS (sans firmware) is open source, Squeezelite is open source, Linux is open source, and afaik everything CSOS leveraged is open source. What's the nature of the legal threat? SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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audiomuze wrote:
Just wondering what exactly are the potential legal issues faced by
developers. LMS (sans firmware) is open source, Squeezelite is open
source, Linux is open source, and afaik everything CSOS leveraged is
open source. I don't get it, could someone elaborate?
The important part is probably just that it needs to be released by a
company rather than a person, so the company handles any liability
issues instead of the individual persons behind the work.
There might never be any legal issues, but if it happens you don't want
to take the fight as an individual as it will require both money and
time.
I don't understand the exact legal problems, but it's probably a good
idea to not discuss them in public, I don't think we should risk making
more potential issues visible to the wrong people.
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audiomuze wrote: I don't get why the broader community is in need of some hardware - just get a Wandboard or like device, install Squeeze on Arch and plug it in to virtually any asynchronous USB DAC of your choosing and you have a perfectly functional Squeezebox transport that's in many respects more capable than you have with a Touch. Can I do this with zero knowledge of Linux, using my Mac computer? It took me years to figure out how to get my network and LMS to work right. Not sure I can handle anything more complicated than that. Plus, there is the whole it better not look like an eyesore factor to deal with in my household. 2-SB3s, 1-Duet, 1-Touch...and an iPeng convert. GeeJay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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GeeJay wrote: Can I do this with zero knowledge of Linux, using my Mac computer? It took me years to figure out how to get my network and LMS to work right. Not sure I can handle anything more complicated than that. Plus, there is the whole it better not look like an eyesore factor to deal with in my household. As for what the Wandboard looks like, this is the standard Wandboard case. Add a wall wart and your DAC (perhaps a wall wart for the DAC as well) and a digital cable to connect the two. [image: http://files.linuxgizmos.com/wandboard-enclosed.jpg] JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I'm wondering if this entire project needs a reboot. Seems to be going nowhere. Slowly. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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JJZolx wrote: I'm wondering if this entire project needs a reboot. Seems to be going nowhere. Slowly. Not to pile on but I was wondering what exactly this project hopes to accomplish over already existing solutions? I have recently been working with a Raspberry Pi and the Wolfson DAC addon board combo using the Squeezeplug distro and also the Picoreplayer. At least with Squeezeplug, which supports the Woflson board, I am getting high resolution support that sounds great into an external DAC. I'm all for pushing the envelope but the current hardware I cited is here now and working at a competent level and can only be improved with software enhancements over time. ctbarker32's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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ctbarker32 wrote: Not to pile on but I was wondering what exactly this project hopes to accomplish over already existing solutions? I have recently been working with a Raspberry Pi and the Wolfson DAC addon board combo using the Squeezeplug distro and also the Picoreplayer. At least with Squeezeplug, which supports the Woflson board, I am getting high resolution support that sounds great into an external DAC. I'm all for pushing the envelope but the current hardware I cited is here now and working at a competent level and can only be improved with software enhancements over time. Some of us are looking for a piece of hardware that is ready to go out of the box. I've been checking in on the Raspberry Pi, et al, threads, and I'm totally lost. I'm the guy that thinks Linux is a character in Peanuts. I don't understand any of the technical jargon, and want something pretty to set up on top of the stereo cabinet. So, there is still a need out there for a lot of us. 2-SB3s, 1-Duet, 1-Touch...and an iPeng convert. GeeJay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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ctbarker32 wrote: Not to pile on but I was wondering what exactly this project hopes to accomplish over already existing solutions? I have recently been working with a Raspberry Pi and the Wolfson DAC addon board combo using the Squeezeplug distro and also the Picoreplayer. At least with Squeezeplug, which supports the Woflson board, I am getting high resolution support that sounds great into an external DAC. I'm all for pushing the envelope but the current hardware I cited is here now and working at a competent level and can only be improved with software enhancements over time. At the very first level, a Squeezebox replacement player that it considerably less DIY than a solution like you mention. Only so many people are capable of (or willing to) roll up their sleeves and assemble a player like you've outlined. If it can be done and sold for a reasonable price, then the number of people who use the Squeezebox system and its software in the future would likely be many times what it will be if DIY is the only option. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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JJZolx wrote:
I'm wondering if this entire project needs a reboot. Seems to be going
nowhere. Slowly.
The Squeeze on Arch thread seems pretty active and promising to me:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?101624-Announce-Squeeze-on-Arch-developer-version
Just keep in mind that Squeeze on Arch is currently in an early stage
and it's likely going to get significantly more user friendly before
it's finished. The initial installation is currently a bit more
complicated than Community Squeeze was, but this is partly because
Triode currently want to avoid distributing SD card images to minimise
the risk of getting into similar legal troubles as the previous
Community Squeeze project. The future will tell if we eventually can
reach a stage where we also have some hardware which can come with
Squeeze on Arch more or less pre-installed.
As with all community projects, it's important to understand that almost
everyone(probably all) involved are working in the project on their
spare time, due to this I think we should be realistic and accept that
it's going to take a bit of time. For people who are in a hurry and
can't wait, there is always Sonos and similar solutions available
already today.
If you are referring to the hardware part, my feeling is that
JohnSwenson and Triode are investigating what the best path forward is
going to be to avoid similar legal/liability issues as those which hit
the previous (now dead) Community Squeeze project. Typically these kind
of things can take a bit of time to arrange.
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erland wrote: The Squeeze on Arch thread seems pretty active and promising to me: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?101624-Announce-Squeeze-on-Arch-developer-version Just keep in mind that Squeeze on Arch is currently in an early stage and it's likely going to get significantly more user friendly before it's finished. The initial installation is currently a bit more complicated than Community Squeeze was, but this is partly because Triode currently want to avoid distributing SD card images to minimise the risk of getting into similar legal troubles as the previous Community Squeeze project. The future will tell if we eventually can reach a stage where we also have some hardware which can come with Squeeze on Arch more or less pre-installed.I don't get why the broader community is in need of some hardware - just get a Wandboard or like device, install Squeeze on Arch and plug it in to virtually any asynchronous USB DAC of your choosing and you have a perfectly functional Squeezebox transport that's in many respects more capable than you have with a Touch. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100ASLT' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/) *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most Linux distributions. audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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audiomuze wrote:
I don't get why the broader community is in need of some hardware - just
get a Wandboard or like device, install Squeeze on Arch and plug it in
to virtually any asynchronous USB DAC of your choosing and you have a
perfectly functional Squeezebox transport that's in many respects more
capable than you have with a Touch.
There are three reasons in my mind:
1. For users who want a cheap high-end solution. If the DAC John has
been designing sounds as good as he believed it would it's going to be
considerably better than any cheap external USB DAC.
2. For users who want something that looks nice and can be accepted by
other family members who doesn't like an ugly DIY box with cables and
other stuff all over the place.
3. For users who never would consider a DIY solution that involved
running Linux commands, writing SD card images to SD cards, manually
assembling the device or purchasing the different parts from different
places.
However, you are correct that Squeeze on Arch are very useful without
any extra hardware, it already fulfils point 1 to some level and with a
nice looking box it can easily also fulfil point 2.
Point 3 is going to be more challenging unless someone is willing to
assemble the already existing hardware components and sell them as a
pre-installed box, but this requires a separate Squeeze on Arch license
since the current Squeeze on Arch license is restricted to non
commercial usage.
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jimzak wrote: If money is the issue for legal work or anything else to be done, please consider Kickstarter or some other crowd-sourced funding. I'm ready to kick some ca$h if needed. Thanks for all the hard work. Jim +1 Kickstarter may be a very good way to go. I am in! David from Adelaide, South Australia DavidBulluss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60056 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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TheLastMan wrote: He is working on the Wolfson, but it sounds like there is a *'software hitch' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97803-piCoPlayer-Squeezelite-on-Microcore-linux-An-embedded-OS-in-RAM-with-Squeezelitep=777579highlight=wolfson#post777579)*. No idea about the software I am afraid - which is the reason piCorePlayer is such an attractive proposition for me. A UK company is taking pre-orders for a rather utilitarian looking case for the HifiBerry: https://www.digitallivingroom.co.uk/index.php/component/joocommerce/accessories/pre-order-hifiberry-case?Itemid=539 Some rather more funky looking DIY ideas in the HiFiBerry gallery: http://www.hifiberry.com/guides/gallery-of-hifiberry-users-creations/ Cleverest of which is a 3D printed case: http://www.hifiberry.com/2014/06/print-it-yourself-case-for-raspberry-pi-hifiberry-dac/ Probably worth searching Thingiverse for that one. The simplest solution, if you are handy with a soldering iron: http://www.hifiberry.com/products/dac/soldering-hifiberry/ Great stuff! Thanks Matt. I think you have motivated me to give this a shot. SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Has anyone thought about using an Intel fanless NUC as a software player? http://www.fanlesstech.com/2014/04/intel-releases-its-fanless-nuc.html A bit more expensive than a Raspberry Pi solution, but maybe not extraordinarily so? And I'm thinking it would be more flexible, and maybe easier to troubleshoot? SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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SamS wrote: Has anyone thought about using an Intel fanless NUC as a software player? http://www.fanlesstech.com/2014/04/intel-releases-its-fanless-nuc.html A bit more expensive than a Raspberry Pi solution, but maybe not extraordinarily so? And I'm thinking it would be more flexible, and maybe easier to troubleshoot? Yes, I had looked at the NUC, and other similar mini-computers - but dismissed them mainly thanks to Steen and his brilliant (and free!) piCorePlayer Linux distro for Squeezebox. I have just built a complete Squeezebox Player from a Raspberry Pi based on this for £60 ($90) including case, SD card, wi-fi dongle, power supply and audio cables. One major advantage of this setup is that piCorePlayer is pre-configured to get audio out of a Raspberry Pi - and nothing else. This means that it took about 10 minutes to build and 10 minutes to set up. An absolute doddle. If I want to make it hi-fi there are now supported I2S DACs and digital out cards (to supply an external DAC) that can be attached for another $50 or so. You can also go down the slightly more fiddly route of a USB DAC but support for that is rather more hit and miss. Once you have it running, it is quite possible to adopt the if it ain't broke don't fix it maxim and just leave it to play the music. I find that if I don't fiddle with stuff that I rarely need to troubleshoot. Remember a NUC does not come with memory, storage or an operating system. I am assuming you are not au-faix with setting up your own Linux installations and will therefore need to buy a copy of Windows. That, of course, will need a sizeable hard drive for the OS (piCorePlayer fits on a single 1GB SD card!). I reckon, with Windows, you will not get much change from $400. Of course the resulting computer will be capable of very much more than piCorePlayer on a RPi. You could use it as an LMS server and/or the hub of a complete media center if you wanted, so it really does depend on what you need it for. With the other options made available at the moment, a NUC is complete over-kill for a simple player. If, like me, you just need a couple more headless players like the Receiver then the RPi running piCorePlayer is just the job. Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* Two SB Duets (Living room and kitchen) *Server:* Synology DS111 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.7.2 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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SamS wrote: Has anyone thought about using an Intel fanless NUC as a software player? http://www.fanlesstech.com/2014/04/intel-releases-its-fanless-nuc.html A bit more expensive than a Raspberry Pi solution, but maybe not extraordinarily so? And I'm thinking it would be more flexible, and maybe easier to troubleshoot? That looks far more like a server to me, it's highly capable of running LMS. Owen Smith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42371 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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TheLastMan wrote: Yes, I had looked at the NUC, and other similar mini-computers - but dismissed them mainly thanks to Steen and his brilliant (and free!) piCorePlayer Linux distro for Squeezebox. I have just built a complete Squeezebox Player from a Raspberry Pi based on this for £60 ($90) including case, SD card, wi-fi dongle, power supply and audio cables. One major advantage of this setup is that piCorePlayer is pre-configured to get audio out of a Raspberry Pi - and nothing else. This means that it took about 10 minutes to build and 10 minutes to set up. An absolute doddle. If I want to make it hi-fi there are now supported I2S DACs and digital out cards (to supply an external DAC) that can be attached for another $50 or so. You can also go down the slightly more fiddly route of a USB DAC but support for that is rather more hit and miss. Once you have it running, it is quite possible to adopt the if it ain't broke don't fix it maxim and just leave it to play the music. I find that if I don't fiddle with stuff that I rarely need to troubleshoot. Remember a NUC does not come with memory, storage or an operating system. I am assuming you are not au-faix with setting up your own Linux installations and will therefore need to buy a copy of Windows. That, of course, will need a sizeable hard drive for the OS (piCorePlayer fits on a single 1GB SD card!). I reckon, with Windows, you will not get much change from $400. Of course the resulting computer will be capable of very much more than piCorePlayer on a RPi. You could use it as an LMS server and/or the hub of a complete media center if you wanted, so it really does depend on what you need it for. With the other options made available at the moment, a NUC is complete over-kill for a simple player. If, like me, you just need a couple more headless players like the Receiver then the RPi running piCorePlayer is just the job. All very good points! I was thinking I could get into a NUC (incl memory, small SSD, Linux etc.) for under $250. But, as you stated, it borders on overkill. I am still very much interested in a Hifiberry + SPDIF card + proper case + piCorePlayer, however I am in the US, so I couldn't find any easy/cheap way to get all three shipped to me. SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Owen Smith wrote: That looks far more like a server to me, it's highly capable of running LMS. Very true. Right now I'm running my LMS on a 2011 Mac Mini, which is very robust for the purpose :-) In the past, I've used a NAS and a Squeezeplug to run LMS, and the instability drove me nuts. The NUC should be up to the task, but I'm in the if ain't broke, don't fix it category regarding LMS right now. SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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SamS wrote: All very good points! I was thinking I could get into a NUC (incl memory, small SSD, Linux etc.) for under $250. But, as you stated, it borders on overkill. I am still very much interested in a Hifiberry + SPDIF card + proper case + piCorePlayer, however I am in the US, so I couldn't find any easy/cheap way to get all three shipped to me. Yes, going for Linux would shave a lot off the potential price, if you are familiar with setting it up. In the case of the RPi, I think the limiting factor is the case. There are so many potential configurations that, unless a case is provided by the maker of the add-in board you are left with DIY solutions. Personally I will be going for one of these for my next project which is a DAC with a bespoke case available for it: https://www.tindie.com/search/?q=IQaudIO.com UK based but priced in dollars, so they clearly know about shipping abroad. However, analogue RCA output only. You can get the RPi in the USA from here: http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-modb-512m/model-b-assembled-board-only/dp/43W5302 They also sell an all in one Wolfson sound card for the RPi with analogue RCA, SPDIF, line in, line out and shared microphone / headphone: http://www.newark.com/element14/wolfson-audio-card/audio-card-for-use-with-raspberry/dp/07X2281 If there is not a case yet, there probably will be soon. Otherwise you may need to make up a DIY solution. Now there's a challenge! Good luck. Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* Two SB Duets (Living room and kitchen) *Server:* Synology DS111 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.7.2 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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TheLastMan wrote: Yes, going for Linux would shave a lot off the potential price, if you are familiar with setting it up. In the case of the RPi, I think the limiting factor is the case. There are so many potential configurations that, unless a case is provided by the maker of the add-in board you are left with DIY solutions. Personally I will be going for one of these for my next project which is a DAC with a bespoke case available for it: https://www.tindie.com/search/?q=IQaudIO.com UK based but priced in dollars, so they clearly know about shipping abroad. However, analogue RCA output only. You can get the RPi in the USA from here: http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-modb-512m/model-b-assembled-board-only/dp/43W5302 They also sell an all in one Wolfson sound card for the RPi with analogue RCA, SPDIF, line in, line out and shared microphone / headphone: http://www.newark.com/element14/wolfson-audio-card/audio-card-for-use-with-raspberry/dp/07X2281 If there is not a case yet, there probably will be soon. Otherwise you may need to make up a DIY solution. Now there's a challenge! Good luck. Thanks for all the great info. Per a message earlier in the thread, the Wolfson is not supported by the piCorePlayer? What software player would you use instead? I think ideally, I'd want piCorePlayer running on a Pi + Hifiberry Digi + case. If someplace sold all of that hardware (or equivalent), I'd be ecstatic! SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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SamS wrote: Thanks for all the great info. Per a message earlier in the thread, the Wolfson is not supported by the piCorePlayer? What software player would you use instead? I think ideally, I'd want piCorePlayer running on a Pi + Hifiberry Digi + case. If someplace sold all of that hardware (or equivalent), I'd be ecstatic! He is working on the Wolfson, but it sounds like there is a *'software hitch' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97803-piCoPlayer-Squeezelite-on-Microcore-linux-An-embedded-OS-in-RAM-with-Squeezelitep=777579highlight=wolfson#post777579)*. No idea about the software I am afraid - which is the reason piCorePlayer is such an attractive proposition for me. A UK company is taking pre-orders for a rather utilitarian looking case for the HifiBerry: https://www.digitallivingroom.co.uk/index.php/component/joocommerce/accessories/pre-order-hifiberry-case?Itemid=539 Some rather more funky looking DIY ideas in the HiFiBerry gallery: http://www.hifiberry.com/guides/gallery-of-hifiberry-users-creations/ Cleverest of which is a 3D printed case: http://www.hifiberry.com/2014/06/print-it-yourself-case-for-raspberry-pi-hifiberry-dac/ Probably worth searching Thingiverse for that one. The simplest solution, if you are handy with a soldering iron: http://www.hifiberry.com/products/dac/soldering-hifiberry/ Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* Two SB Duets (Living room and kitchen) *Server:* Synology DS111 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.7.2 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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jimzak wrote: If money is the issue for legal work or anything else to be done, please consider Kickstarter or some other crowd-sourced funding. I'm ready to kick some ca$h if needed. Thanks for all the hard work. Jim +1... for pre-HW activities or to help fund the first run of HW (sorta like the Bottlehead DAC thing). Greg in Mississippi gstew's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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JohnSwenson wrote: The hardware as discussed in this thread is not dead. The legal issues that happened with the software side made it abundantly clear that we cannot release any hardware without a corporation's legal protection. I am working on how to get that setup so this can go forward. Thanks for the interest from everybody. John S. If money is the issue for legal work or anything else to be done, please consider Kickstarter or some other crowd-sourced funding. I'm ready to kick some ca$h in needed. Thanks for all the hard work. Jim http://zzzone.net http://have-a-nice-day.org http://www.last.fm/user/zzzoneDOTnet http://somethingsomethingsomething.net dBpoweramp Cisco E4200 SBS 7.8 - i7 laptop - Win 8 64bit 3 Booms, 2 Radio, 1 Touch, 1 iPod Touch w/digital dock 2 controllers, various tablets/phones Various apps including iPeng, Logitech Android, etc. 'Library' (http://zzzone.net/photo/2009/music1.jpg): 246,000+ FLAC/MP3 files - 12 TB HD Onkyo TX-NR818, KEF Q300/Q200/iQ30, Outlaw LFM-1 Plus jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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+1 on kickstarter or similar. I'm very interested in this project. I have no technical skills to contribute but happy to part with money to assist. *Location 1:* VortexBox 4TB (2.2) LMS 7.8 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VBA 3TB (2.2) LMS 7.8 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.8 Squeezelite *Spares:* VBA 4TB, SB3, Touch (3), Radio (3), CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone4S iPad2 (iPeng7 Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Tagging - mp3tag, Streaming - Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Owen Smith wrote: And the HiFiBerry solders the P5 connector pins onto the Pi. Much better. The sprung pins connection on the Wolfson board is virtually gauranteed to give poor connections in a couple of years time. Could you supply a reference for that claim? Gadgety1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33223 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Gadgety1 wrote: Could you supply a reference for that claim? Personal experience of JTAG pin jigs at work. They have spring loaded pins with either sharp points or rounded ends that make contact with flat PCB pads. All gold plated. They make good contact initially, but if I leave one assembled on the jig after a few months the debugger stops working. I have to slacken the mounting pillars and move the connections about to get a clean contact. If they're really bad I have to clean then with alcohol. I note that the Wolfson fitting instructions say you should clean the PCB holes with alcohol to get a good connection. My first thought was and how long before that needs doing again?. Owen Smith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42371 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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marflao wrote: Regarding the Pi/HiFi Berry combo... Is anybody aware if there are cases for it available? There will be one available soon from digitallivingrook.co.uk hifiberry's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62992 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Here is the link for pre-orders: https://www.digitallivingroom.co.uk/index.php/component/joocommerce/accessories/pre-order-hifiberry-case?Itemid=539 hifiberry's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62992 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Thanks for that. marflao's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57334 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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JohnSwenson wrote: The hardware as discussed in this thread is not dead. The legal issues that happened with the software side made it abundantly clear that we cannot release any hardware without a corporation's legal protection. I am working on how to get that setup so this can go forward. Thanks for the interest from everybody. John S. Thanks for the reassurance, John. Regards, Guido F. MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1, Virtuoso Wood CartridgeConrad Johnson Motif phono preamp ART ADCVinyl Studio Vortexbox ApplianceDLink BridgeEthernetSqueezebox Touch/EDOBenchmark DAC2 D DSPeaker Antimode Dual Core DRC/EQ/Preamp+CIA PSMusic Reference RM-200 Mk II amp Martin Logan SL3 speakers REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)Little Dot Mk III ampAKG K701 headphones Sony D100 ampPSB alpha B1 speakers TREADMILL: FiiO X3 Digital Music PlayerAKG K550 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Fantastic news. So good to hear this. --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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JohnSwenson wrote: The hardware as discussed in this thread is not dead. The legal issues that happened with the software side made it abundantly clear that we cannot release any hardware without a corporation's legal protection. I am working on how to get that setup so this can go forward. Thanks for the interest from everybody. John S. Much thanks. Your work on this really means a lot to so many of us. mps's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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The hardware as discussed in this thread is not dead. The legal issues that happened with the software side made it abundantly clear that we cannot release any hardware without a corporation's legal protection. I am working on how to get that setup so this can go forward. Thanks for the interest from everybody. John S. JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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GeeJay wrote: Reading between the lines of the last several pages of that thread, it sounds as if there could be some for-profit enterprise that may be getting involved. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that is the case, as that would seem more viable than an all-volunteer effort. COMMUNITY SQUEEZE, AS A SOFTWARE BASED DISTRIBUTION FOR THE WANDBOARD HAS ENDED. IT IS NO MORE! THERE ARE NO SOFTWARE IMAGES AVAILABLE! DO NOT PURCHASE A WANDBOARD WITH THE SPECIFIC INTENTION OF RUNNING COMMUNITY SQUEEZE OS ON IT. CSOS IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE! Triode (Adrian Smith) appears to be putting something together (to replace CSOS) for the Wandboard, based on the Arch Linux distribution, 'Announce: Squeeze on Arch - developer version' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?101624-Announce-Squeeze-on-Arch-developer-version). I do not know whether he intends to support JS hardware. You'll have to wait for Adrian or John to tell you. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I've read through some parts of the threads, but they are so long that I found it impossible to piece together what has happened. I get the impression that there are licensing complications that would have left JackOfAll vulnerable to litigation, but haven't been able to figure out what they are. Is there a short summary anywhere that explains the history of why CSOS disappeared? Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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cliveb wrote: I get the impression that there are licensing complications that would have left JackOfAll vulnerable to litigation, but haven't been able to figure out what they are. My understanding (but I might be totally wrong) is that it was not so much a licensing complication as a liability issue - something like someone screwing up their installation, bricking their hardware - and then suing the provider of the OS. To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
