[Elecraft] KX3: 6m Temp Comp Testing

2014-04-23 Thread Edward R Cole
I have completed the Temperature Compensation Procedure for the KX3 
on 6m.  Initially, I tried using the 5th harmonic of my 10-MHz OCXO 
since it is very accurate and stabile, but harmonic level was 
inadequate to run the temp comp procedure, so I used my XG3, 
instead.  I did run it a long time to stabilize the signal and 
constantly measured frequency on my counter.  Drift of the XG3 was 
less than 2-Hz over a couple hours of continuous running (ran off the 
same 14vdc PS as the KX3).


Before running the temp comp, Drift of the KX3 was 54-Hz upward 
running a test at 5w output on a sequence to duplicate conditions 
running JT65: 50-seconds key-down/70-seconds Rx, and repeated ten 
sequences (20-minutes total). Power was monitored on a Bird43 with 
25w termination.


After temp comp was complete the worst drifting occurred in the first 
ten seconds of the first sequence (+13 Hz).  After that there was no 
more than 10-Hz drift with the trend toward less drift as the test 
proceeded.  The last few sequences drift was +5 Hz.  I monitored Osc. 
Temp and PA temp with the KX3 display and Osc temp reached 54c at the 
end of 20-minutes running; PA temp was also 54c.  Osc. temp would 
drop slightly during the 70-second Rx portion of the sequence.  Temp 
compensation seems to work well to reduce frequency drift in 
transmit.  Rx frequency is within 1-Hz if not transmitting.


I did feel the KX3 body during the temp comp procedure and it was 
much warmer to touch once 52c was reached then the radio with heat 
sink runs after 20-minutes of JT65 simulation.  So I can say the heat 
sink is making a difference protecting the final 
transistors.  Internal heat still rises significantly so one needs to 
do the temp. comp. to reduce freq. drift.


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 and FLDIGI

2014-04-23 Thread Joel Black
I think most of those on the linuxham (or Win Fldigi) group would 
recommend you use Flrig to control your radio when using Fldigi. There 
is a version of Flrig for each of the three major OS's. I *do* suggest 
you join one or the other group - linuxham for Linux and OS X, Win 
Fldigi for windows.


I use Fldigi with Flrig with my K3. When I get a chance, I will get my 
KX3 set up to run with Fldigi/Flrig, but it will be either Friday or 
Saturday before I can do that. Either way, I use macros within Fldigi to 
control the modes on my radio especially on MARS nets where phone and 
digital are used on the same frequency. Receiving data is not a huge 
deal in USB (phone) but I still prefer to use a macro to swap between 
USB and DATA A. You do have to make sure you set the *correct* data mode.


73,
Joel - W4JBB

On 4/22/14, 8:28 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
You might want to try using RigCAT instead of HamLib  - choose K3 if 
KX3 is not available.
The only function necessary is PTT keying and the proper display of 
frequency on the waterfall.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/22/2014 8:50 PM, Adrien Dessemond wrote:

Don,

My error I apologize, AUDIO A should be read as DATA A in my
original post. My concern was the transmission mode used by the KX3
once FLDIG triggered a data transmission as it does not seem to stay
in DATA A mode anymore, I will dig inside the Hamlib ...  :-) Thank
you your answers.

73,

Adrien VE2AKS


2014-04-22 20:14 GMT-04:00 Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com:

Adrien,

I am confused by your statement that you see AUDIO A on the LCD.
There is no AUDIO A mode and no characters on the LCD indicate that
information.  Yes, there is a DATA A Data sub-mode that should be 
selected

for soundcard data modes (except for RTTY where AFSK A provides added
advantages for RTTY).

For most soundcard data modes, you would want to use DATA A submode 
in USB.

RTTY normally uses LSB, but RTTY is best used in AFSK A data sub-mode.

Your data mode software application and the KX3 default settings may be
fighting each other.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 4/20/2014 4:18 PM, Adrien Dessemond wrote:

Hi,


I am trying to use a KX3 with FLDIGI to do some PSK31 QSO. The KX3 is
connected to the computer via a serial cable and FLDIGI has been set
up to use the hamlib (K3/KX3 beta) and I manually put the KX3 in
DATA-A  mode: I can see USB, TX DATA and AUDIO-A on the KX3's
LCD. However whenever I transmit some data with FLDIGI, the USB
indicator turns off. Is the rig still in AUDIO-A mode (TX DATA is
still shown)?  Else which transmission mode I am supposed to use in
FLDIGI for that rig? PCKTUSB/PCKTLSB or simply USB/LSB?







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[Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Slava Baytalskiy
Hi everyone!
Sorry if i'm venting, but how come even the tiniest packages from Elecraft take 
full 7 days to arrive via UPS Ground?
1 pound package via UPS Ground, for almost $17 shouldn't take this long, should 
it?
I understand this isn't Amazon Prime, but come on, 7 days?

Slava B
W2RMS

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Re: [Elecraft] KE7X KX3 Book and Configuring: KX3, K3, KPA500, and KAT500

2014-04-23 Thread d...@lightstream.net
I have four transceivers connected up in such a way that I can use all of
them with the KPA500/KAT500 by simply switching the appropriate RF path to
the KPA500 RF Input port.

The setup is as follows:
-- 'Wiper' of four-port coaxial RF switch connects to KPA500 RF Input port

-- The four ports of the coaxial RF switch are connected to: K3, KX3, K2,
HPSDR

-- The TX Enable/Amp Key Lines from ONLY the KX3, K2, and HPSDR are
simply paralleled via an assortment of RCA Y adapters and connected to
the KPA500 PA Key port. NOTE: The K3's KEY OUT line is *NOT* included
in this parallel connection, and is not used at all.

-- The K3 is connected to the KPA500 via the KPAK3AUX cable

With this arrangement, and ALL transceivers powered 'ON', I can select any
of the four transceivers via the RF coaxial switch, and drive the KPA500
to full output without issue. The usual steps are:
-- Place the KPA500 into STBY

-- Select the desired transceiver via the RF coaxial switch

-- Select the desired band etc., and make sure the power level is adjusted
appropriately to drive the KPA500.

-- Tap the key to send some 'heads-up' RF to the KPA500, and in response,
the KPA500 switches to the appropriate band, and the KAT500 switches to
the appropriate frequency and pulls the settings from memory.

-- Place the KPA500 into OPERATE mode

That's it. I understand that paralleling the TX Enable/Amp Key Lines
from all of the transceivers is less than optimal, but for these
particular transceivers, it has worked fine. Since the K3 is the primary
radio in the shack, it always remains on. (I have NOT tried any of this
with the K3 powered down) I have also used this arrangement with all other
transceivers powered OFF except for the K3 and whichever other radio I
want to use. For example, if I want to use the KX3, the K3 and KX3 are
both  powered ON, but the other transceivers can be OFF. The KX3 will
drive the KPA500 to about 175 watts or so, depending upon band.

I've used this arrangement for quite a while without any issues, but I
make no claim that there are not any dangers in doing things this way. If
there are, I haven't discovered them - yet.

73, Dale
WA8SRA




 Jack,

 Thanks for the detailed explanation.  So, if the K3 pulls the keyline to
 ground and the STBY/OPER switch is inoperative as a result, then why would
 power cycle on KPA500 change things.  I mean, I assume that the keyline is
 still pulled to ground by the K3.  But, I admit that I am not an
 electronics guy as you others so I do not fully understand all of the
 stuff that goes on in these things.

 73, phil, K7PEH


 On Apr 22, 2014, at 10:18 PM, Jack Brindle jackbrin...@me.com wrote:

 There appears to be some misconceptions in this discussion. First, the
 information flow from the K3 to the KPA only occurs on the band lines
 and the key line. Auxbus communications is one-way, from the KPA to the
 K3. The KPA does not listen on the Auxbus.

 There is also something else going on that is in play here. When the K3
 is powered off, the pull-ups on the band lines (and the key line, I
 believe) continue to work. They continue to pull the lines to Vcc. But
 with the K3 off, Vcc is now 0 volts. This means that a short time after
 the K3 powers off the KPA will see all zeros on the band lines, and will
 switch to 60 meters. After this, RF coming into the KPA will cause it to
 switch to the appropriate band, and all band switching will occur with
 incoming RF as long as the band lines do not change.

 Of course, there is one other signal in play here. The Key line is
 important since it causes the KPA to switch into transmit. We have seen
 the K3 pull the Key line to ground at times, which just may be what you
 are seeing. If the KEY line is active, the KPA will not switch from STBY
 to OPER. For this to happen the KEY line must be high.

 The best way to connect two transceivers to the KPA is to use a physical
 switch to select the transceiver. A five-pole two position switch will
 do for the band and key lines, plus a coax switch of the RF.

 In short, you may get things to work with the description from Fred’s
 book. But if the key line becomes driven low by the “off” transceiver
 for any reason, you can expect weird things to happen.

 Jack Brindle, W6FB
 Elecraft Engineering

 On Apr 22, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote:

 Don,

 OK, I may be expecting too much.  Actually, I am not sure if I was
 expecting as much as I was a little bit surprised by the behavior.  I
 didn't think that the KPA500 and KX3 communicated with each other other
 than RF and Key line but maybe that was enough of a difference from the
 K3.  The K3 of course in my case has the AUX cable connections with the
 KPA500 and KAT500.

 It is not a big deal as long as this is the way it is expected to work.
  I was not sure if I had done something wrong or not.

 But, just picked up W1AW/5 MS QRP power with the KX3.  Actually, it was
 about 6 watts.

 73, phil, K7PEH


 On Apr 22, 2014, 

[Elecraft] W2RMS

2014-04-23 Thread Brian North
If you have nothing good to say, say NOTHING!!

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Ian Kahn - Ham
Slava,

I understand your frustration.  However, Elecraft has no control of the
package once it is delivered to UPS.  If you request ground shipment, and
UPS says it will take 7 days to get the package to you, they will take the
full seven days.  I've seen cases, on my own packages, where UPS will
actually hold the package at their distribution facility if it gets there
ahead of what they deem is the appropriate delivery schedule, rather than
just delivering the package.  Please don't blame Elecraft for this one, they
can't control it.

73,

-- Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik@gmail.com
K3 #281, P3 #688, KPA500 #1468
HRD v5.x/6.0 Test Team

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Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

Hi everyone!
Sorry if i'm venting, but how come even the tiniest packages from Elecraft
take full 7 days to arrive via UPS Ground?
1 pound package via UPS Ground, for almost $17 shouldn't take this long,
should it?
I understand this isn't Amazon Prime, but come on, 7 days?

Slava B
W2RMS

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Larry Lopez
Actually the worst case is this:

You take your package to Staples Friday
after the last pickup.

It sits at Staples until Monday afternoon.
It moves by ground Tuesday - Friday.

It stops over the moving over the  weekend.

Then completes it's trip the next week starting
on Monday.

*** USPS Ground moves on weekends.




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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft
Did you choose next day, or 2nd day  Delivery  

    OR! 

Did  you choose the Cheapest  option that was available? 

73 Milverton. 


On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 6:41 AM, Slava Baytalskiy sla...@nullserv.com 
wrote:
 
Hi everyone!
Sorry if i'm venting, but how come even the tiniest packages from Elecraft 
take full 7 days to arrive via UPS Ground?
1 pound package via UPS Ground, for almost $17 shouldn't take this long, 
should it?
I understand this isn't Amazon Prime, but come on, 7 days?

Slava B
W2RMS

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Re: [Elecraft] W2RMS

2014-04-23 Thread Slava Baytalskiy
Yeah? Ok, i'll keep that in mind. Thanks!
Very useful remark...

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Slava Baytalskiy
I chose UPS Ground.
Funny thing is i actually tried every choice in that drop-down.
USPS Priority came out to $999 or some ridiculous number.

On Apr 23, 2014, at 8:00 AM, tnny...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Did you choose next day, or 2nd day  Delivery  
 
 OR! 
 
 Did  you choose the Cheapest  option that was available? 
 
 73 Milverton. 
 
 On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 6:41 AM, Slava Baytalskiy sla...@nullserv.com 
 wrote:
 Hi everyone!
 Sorry if i'm venting, but how come even the tiniest packages from Elecraft 
 take full 7 days to arrive via UPS Ground?
 1 pound package via UPS Ground, for almost $17 shouldn't take this long, 
 should it?
 I understand this isn't Amazon Prime, but come on, 7 days?
 
 Slava B
 W2RMS
 
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[Elecraft] Has anyone ever ordered from Idiom Press?

2014-04-23 Thread Slava Baytalskiy
Here's another one:
has anyone here ever ordered anything from Idiom Press?
I'm really at a loss here...
I ordered this RotorEZ board to give me a serial port on an older CDE HAM-IV 
rotor/control box.
This was around March 31st time frame.
Their website does say that sometimes order could take up to two weeks to ship.
And that would be ok, except they don't reply to any e-mails or pick up the 
phone.
I don't even know if they are still in business...
I do see a charge on my card for April 11th, but even that is not for the full 
amount that i ordered.
Still, no response, nothing...

Is this how they operate normally?

I'm hoping someone here had dealing with these people and can shed some light 
on this.

Thanks in advance!
Slava B
W2RMS
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread MontyS
5 business days - 7 calendar days, is nominal for coast-to-coast UPS ground. 
Fedex the same, although they deliver Saturdays (but not Mondays).  Not much 
Elecraft can do besides offer options.


I usually use Priority Mail if available - 2 day delivery usually.
Monty K2DLJ


Hi everyone!
Sorry if i'm venting, but how come even the tiniest packages from Elecraft 
take full 7 days to arrive via UPS Ground?
1 pound package via UPS Ground, for almost $17 shouldn't take this long, 
should it?

I understand this isn't Amazon Prime, but come on, 7 days?


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Re: [Elecraft] Has anyone ever ordered from Idiom Press?

2014-04-23 Thread Kevin Stover
Unfortunately it has been that way for a couple of years since the 
founder handed things off to an offspring.

My first ever kit was the Super CMOS III keyer.
I haven't ordered anything from them since the change and it looks like 
I won't again.


On 4/23/2014 7:09 AM, Slava Baytalskiy wrote:

Here's another one:
has anyone here ever ordered anything from Idiom Press?
I'm really at a loss here...
I ordered this RotorEZ board to give me a serial port on an older CDE HAM-IV 
rotor/control box.
This was around March 31st time frame.
Their website does say that sometimes order could take up to two weeks to ship.
And that would be ok, except they don't reply to any e-mails or pick up the 
phone.
I don't even know if they are still in business...
I do see a charge on my card for April 11th, but even that is not for the full 
amount that i ordered.
Still, no response, nothing...

Is this how they operate normally?

I'm hoping someone here had dealing with these people and can shed some light 
on this.

Thanks in advance!
Slava B
W2RMS
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Jim Rogers
Actually,  I have the 3 Day Select to be both economical and certainly 
better than 7 days.  Give that one a try on your next order.


73s Jim, W4ATK
On 4/23/2014 7:03 AM, Slava Baytalskiy wrote:

I chose UPS Ground.
Funny thing is i actually tried every choice in that drop-down.
USPS Priority came out to $999 or some ridiculous number.

On Apr 23, 2014, at 8:00 AM, tnny...@yahoo.com wrote:


Did you choose next day, or 2nd day  Delivery 

 OR!

Did  you choose the Cheapest  option that was available?

73 Milverton.

On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 6:41 AM, Slava Baytalskiy sla...@nullserv.com 
wrote:
Hi everyone!
Sorry if i'm venting, but how come even the tiniest packages from Elecraft take 
full 7 days to arrive via UPS Ground?
1 pound package via UPS Ground, for almost $17 shouldn't take this long, should 
it?
I understand this isn't Amazon Prime, but come on, 7 days?

Slava B
W2RMS

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Larry Lopez
USPS ground is 5 days, not 5 business days.
USPS ground moves on the weekends.
UPS ground does not move on the weekends.

UPS drop off at Staples at 5:30PM Friday
doesn't get picked up until 5PM Monday

This isn't a criticism of anyone.
It's an explanation of what has been observed.

I look at it as allowing the transceiver
a short vacation before going to work.

MontyS [via Elecraft] wrote:
 5 business days - 7 calendar days, is nominal for coast-to-coast UPS 
 ground.
 Fedex the same, although they deliver Saturdays (but not Mondays). 
  Not much
 Elecraft can do besides offer options.

 I usually use Priority Mail if available - 2 day delivery usually.
 Monty K2DLJ

  Hi everyone!
  Sorry if i'm venting, but how come even the tiniest packages from 
 Elecraft
  take full 7 days to arrive via UPS Ground?
  1 pound package via UPS Ground, for almost $17 shouldn't take this 
 long,
  should it?
  I understand this isn't Amazon Prime, but come on, 7 days?

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Slava Baytalskiy
I guess i'm just spoiled by Amazon Prime and their 2-day no matter what 
delivery.
Sometimes, a lot of times, i actually get it in one day, depending on where the 
item is geographically.
Oh well...
This just means i'll have one less distraction when putting up my new Hex Beam 
this weekend.

Slava B
W2RMS

On Apr 23, 2014, at 8:24 AM, Larry Lopez lawlop...@gmail.com wrote:

 USPS ground is 5 days, not 5 business days.
 USPS ground moves on the weekends.
 UPS ground does not move on the weekends.
 
 UPS drop off at Staples at 5:30PM Friday
 doesn't get picked up until 5PM Monday
 
 This isn't a criticism of anyone.
 It's an explanation of what has been observed.
 
 I look at it as allowing the transceiver
 a short vacation before going to work.
 
 MontyS [via Elecraft] wrote:
 5 business days - 7 calendar days, is nominal for coast-to-coast UPS 
 ground.
 Fedex the same, although they deliver Saturdays (but not Mondays). 
 Not much
 Elecraft can do besides offer options.
 
 I usually use Priority Mail if available - 2 day delivery usually.
 Monty K2DLJ
 
 Hi everyone!
 Sorry if i'm venting, but how come even the tiniest packages from 
 Elecraft
 take full 7 days to arrive via UPS Ground?
 1 pound package via UPS Ground, for almost $17 shouldn't take this 
 long,
 should it?
 I understand this isn't Amazon Prime, but come on, 7 days?
 
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[Elecraft] Wanted Used Model K3

2014-04-23 Thread Larry Lopez
I'm after a perfectly working late model K3 with all the mods.

To be sure a 10W K3 with no options would get me started.
But I really need the ATU

There is a price increase at the end of the month so that's
my time frame.

K3/10   K3 10W Xcvr.
KAT3K3 ATU
KBPF3   K3 Gen. Cov. RX Module  
KFL3A-6KK3 6 kHz, 8 pole filter
KPA3K3 100W PA
KTCXO3-1 K3 TCXO (0.5ppm)








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[Elecraft] W2 fault?

2014-04-23 Thread Steve Bunting
Hi everyone,


I have a W2 Watt meter and 2KW sensor that I haven't used for some time. I
loaned it out to a club mate who reported it DOA. The unit self-tests OK
and I've swapped the 8 way RJ45 cable for an out of the packet new one.
I've tested it thoroughly on my bench and have found a few issues that I
would like help resolving:


When the sensor is plugged into port 1 I get full scale (high) SWR with no
rf applied. When RF is applied no forward power is registered.


When I plug the sensor into port 2, the meter functions, but 100W input
from my K2 is reported as 80W. I have checked the K2 with other power
meters and the all say 100W +/- 5%. The W2 also reports an SWR of 1.5:1
when I use any of my dummy loads (or antennas!). They can't all be bad on
every HF band!


It looks like I may have two issues - a duff connector on S1 and
potentially a calibration issue with the sensor? Does that sound
reasonable? What action can I take to fix that as the W2 is not designed to
be user serviceable? I am happy working with SMDs though!


73

Steve

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Re: [Elecraft] W2 fault?

2014-04-23 Thread Don Wilhelm

Steve,

I would try another sensor before digging into the W2 proper.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/23/2014 8:43 AM, Steve Bunting wrote:

Hi everyone,


I have a W2 Watt meter and 2KW sensor that I haven't used for some time. I
loaned it out to a club mate who reported it DOA. The unit self-tests OK
and I've swapped the 8 way RJ45 cable for an out of the packet new one.
I've tested it thoroughly on my bench and have found a few issues that I
would like help resolving:


When the sensor is plugged into port 1 I get full scale (high) SWR with no
rf applied. When RF is applied no forward power is registered.


When I plug the sensor into port 2, the meter functions, but 100W input
from my K2 is reported as 80W. I have checked the K2 with other power
meters and the all say 100W +/- 5%. The W2 also reports an SWR of 1.5:1
when I use any of my dummy loads (or antennas!). They can't all be bad on
every HF band!





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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread John Cooper
I always get usps they ship to tx in 3 days and its cheaper than ups


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From: Ian Kahn - Ham km4ik@gmail.com 
Date: 04/23/2014  06:41  (GMT-06:00) 
To: 'Slava Baytalskiy' sla...@nullserv.com,'Elecraft Reflector' 
elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries 
 
Slava,

I understand your frustration.  However, Elecraft has no control of the
package once it is delivered to UPS.  If you request ground shipment, and
UPS says it will take 7 days to get the package to you, they will take the
full seven days.  I've seen cases, on my own packages, where UPS will
actually hold the package at their distribution facility if it gets there
ahead of what they deem is the appropriate delivery schedule, rather than
just delivering the package.  Please don't blame Elecraft for this one, they
can't control it.

73,

-- Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik@gmail.com
K3 #281, P3 #688, KPA500 #1468
HRD v5.x/6.0 Test Team

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Baytalskiy
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 7:38 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

Hi everyone!
Sorry if i'm venting, but how come even the tiniest packages from Elecraft
take full 7 days to arrive via UPS Ground?
1 pound package via UPS Ground, for almost $17 shouldn't take this long,
should it?
I understand this isn't Amazon Prime, but come on, 7 days?

Slava B
W2RMS

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Bill
I have seen the USPS Priority $999 price when I didn't specify my location
prior to searching for delivery options.  Are you sure that USPS priority
delivers to Staten Island?

Bill  k4yjj


On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Slava Baytalskiy sla...@nullserv.comwrote:

 I chose UPS Ground.
 Funny thing is i actually tried every choice in that drop-down.
 USPS Priority came out to $999 or some ridiculous number.

 On Apr 23, 2014, at 8:00 AM, tnny...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Did you choose next day, or 2nd day  Delivery 
 
  OR!
 
  Did  you choose the Cheapest  option that was available?
 
  73 Milverton.
 
  On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 6:41 AM, Slava Baytalskiy 
 sla...@nullserv.com wrote:
  Hi everyone!
  Sorry if i'm venting, but how come even the tiniest packages from
 Elecraft take full 7 days to arrive via UPS Ground?
  1 pound package via UPS Ground, for almost $17 shouldn't take this long,
 should it?
  I understand this isn't Amazon Prime, but come on, 7 days?
 
  Slava B
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


USPS Priority Mail delivers to any address in the US six days a week
and retail prices are generally 15 to 20% less expensive than UPS Brown
(Ground).

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 4/23/2014 9:35 AM, Bill wrote:

I have seen the USPS Priority $999 price when I didn't specify my location
prior to searching for delivery options.  Are you sure that USPS priority
delivers to Staten Island?

Bill  k4yjj


On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Slava Baytalskiy sla...@nullserv.comwrote:


I chose UPS Ground.
Funny thing is i actually tried every choice in that drop-down.
USPS Priority came out to $999 or some ridiculous number.

On Apr 23, 2014, at 8:00 AM, tnny...@yahoo.com wrote:


Did you choose next day, or 2nd day  Delivery 

 OR!

Did  you choose the Cheapest  option that was available?

73 Milverton.

On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 6:41 AM, Slava Baytalskiy 

sla...@nullserv.com wrote:

Hi everyone!
Sorry if i'm venting, but how come even the tiniest packages from

Elecraft take full 7 days to arrive via UPS Ground?

1 pound package via UPS Ground, for almost $17 shouldn't take this long,

should it?

I understand this isn't Amazon Prime, but come on, 7 days?

Slava B
W2RMS

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Re: [Elecraft] Has anyone ever ordered from Idiom Press?

2014-04-23 Thread Mike Reublin
Slava -

Here's an alternative. I haven't ordered one, but I keep seeing it posted 
elsewhere.

73, Mike NF4L

On Apr 23, 2014, at 8:09 AM, Slava Baytalskiy sla...@nullserv.com wrote:

 Here's another one:
 has anyone here ever ordered anything from Idiom Press?
 I'm really at a loss here...
 I ordered this RotorEZ board to give me a serial port on an older CDE HAM-IV 
 rotor/control box.
 This was around March 31st time frame.
 Their website does say that sometimes order could take up to two weeks to 
 ship.
 And that would be ok, except they don't reply to any e-mails or pick up the 
 phone.
 I don't even know if they are still in business...
 I do see a charge on my card for April 11th, but even that is not for the 
 full amount that i ordered.
 Still, no response, nothing...
 
 Is this how they operate normally?
 
 I'm hoping someone here had dealing with these people and can shed some light 
 on this.
 
 Thanks in advance!
 Slava B
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Re: [Elecraft] Has anyone ever ordered from Idiom Press?

2014-04-23 Thread Mike Reublin
Lets try that again...

http://easy-rotor-control.com/ fot rs232 kit (69 euro) or usb kit (66 euro)

Mike

On Apr 23, 2014, at 9:52 AM, Mike Reublin n...@nf4l.com wrote:

 Slava -
 
 Here's an alternative. I haven't ordered one, but I keep seeing it posted 
 elsewhere.
 
 73, Mike NF4L
 
 On Apr 23, 2014, at 8:09 AM, Slava Baytalskiy sla...@nullserv.com wrote:
 
 Here's another one:
 has anyone here ever ordered anything from Idiom Press?
 I'm really at a loss here...
 I ordered this RotorEZ board to give me a serial port on an older CDE HAM-IV 
 rotor/control box.
 This was around March 31st time frame.
 Their website does say that sometimes order could take up to two weeks to 
 ship.
 And that would be ok, except they don't reply to any e-mails or pick up the 
 phone.
 I don't even know if they are still in business...
 I do see a charge on my card for April 11th, but even that is not for the 
 full amount that i ordered.
 Still, no response, nothing...
 
 Is this how they operate normally?
 
 I'm hoping someone here had dealing with these people and can shed some 
 light on this.
 
 Thanks in advance!
 Slava B
 W2RMS
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Re: [Elecraft] KE7X KX3 Book and Configuring: KX3, K3, KPA500, and KAT500

2014-04-23 Thread Cady, Fred
Good morning all.
Sorry I haven't chipped in before.
I think Jack's comment ...something else going on... is right on.  

The band line pull-ups in the K3 are somewhat problematic.  They weren't there 
in the first placed (which was good design) but were added to the K3 early on 
to compensate for band decoders that didn't have pull ups (not good design).  
So that explains why the KPA500 shows 5.3 MHZ when the K3 is turned off.

However, neither of the key lines from the K3 (KEY OUT and KEYOUT_LP in ACC, K3 
schematic of June 2010) are pulled up.  One is an open drain and one an open 
collector.  These two lines are wire-ORed together in the KPA500. Wire-OR means 
either KEY OUT or KEYOUT_LP or both can key the KPA500. So I don't think that 
is what is causing the behavior you see.

I don't have the KX3 in the mix here at the moment but I tried the following:

K3 on 15 m, KPA on in Operate mode showing 21 MHZ.
Turn K3 off.  KPA switches to Standby immediately and then shows 5.3 MHZ a 
second or two later (significant delay there).
K3 still off. KPA switch from Standby to Operate and back and forth no problem.
K3 still off, KPA in Standby. Ground the KPA keying line PA KEY.  KPA can 
switch to operate and back and forth no problem.  When in Operate the * shows 
on the display as expected (saying the amp key line is low).

Another culprit might be DIGOUT1, although that too is an open collector 
output.  I wouldn't expect that to be doing anything when the K3 is off but if 
you see a _ in the KPA display, that means the amp is inhibited when you try to 
key because INHIBIT in enabled and DIGOUT1 is low.  

Firmware: K3 4.83, KPA 1.38

What is your firmware?  There was a firmware change in the KPA a while ago that 
fixed a power up problem.

Cheers,
Fred


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 From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
 Phil Hystad
 Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:35 PM
 To: Jack Brindle
 Cc: elecraft; d...@w3fpr.com
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KE7X KX3 Book and Configuring: KX3, K3, KPA500,
 and KAT500
 
 Jack,
 
 Thanks for the detailed explanation.  So, if the K3 pulls the keyline
 to ground and the STBY/OPER switch is inoperative as a result, then why
 would power cycle on KPA500 change things.  I mean, I assume that the
 keyline is still pulled to ground by the K3.  But, I admit that I am
 not an electronics guy as you others so I do not fully understand all
 of the stuff that goes on in these things.
 
 73, phil, K7PEH
 
 
 On Apr 22, 2014, at 10:18 PM, Jack Brindle jackbrin...@me.com wrote:
 
  There appears to be some misconceptions in this discussion. First,
 the information flow from the K3 to the KPA only occurs on the band
 lines and the key line. Auxbus communications is one-way, from the KPA
 to the K3. The KPA does not listen on the Auxbus.
 
  There is also something else going on that is in play here. When the
 K3 is powered off, the pull-ups on the band lines (and the key line, I
 believe) continue to work. They continue to pull the lines to Vcc. But
 with the K3 off, Vcc is now 0 volts. This means that a short time after
 the K3 powers off the KPA will see all zeros on the band lines, and
 will switch to 60 meters. After this, RF coming into the KPA will cause
 it to switch to the appropriate band, and all band switching will occur
 with incoming RF as long as the band lines do not change.
 
  Of course, there is one other signal in play here. The Key line is
 important since it causes the KPA to switch into transmit. We have seen
 the K3 pull the Key line to ground at times, which just may be what you
 are seeing. If the KEY line is active, the KPA will not switch from
 STBY to OPER. For this to happen the KEY line must be high.
 
  The best way to connect two transceivers to the KPA is to use a
 physical switch to select the transceiver. A five-pole two position
 switch will do for the band and key lines, plus a coax switch of the
 RF.
 
  In short, you may get things to work with the description from Fred's
 book. But if the key line becomes driven low by the off transceiver
 for any reason, you can expect weird things to happen.
 
  Jack Brindle, W6FB
  Elecraft Engineering
 
  On Apr 22, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote:
 
  Don,
 
  OK, I may be expecting too much.  Actually, I am not sure if I was
 expecting as much as I was a little bit surprised by the behavior.  I
 didn't think that the KPA500 and KX3 communicated with each other other
 than RF and Key line but maybe that was enough of a difference from the
 K3.  The K3 of course in my case has the AUX cable connections with the
 KPA500 and KAT500.
 
  It is not a big deal as long as this is the way it is expected to
 work.  I was not sure if I had done something wrong or not.
 
  But, just picked up W1AW/5 MS QRP power with the KX3.  Actually, it
 was about 6 watts.
 
  73, phil, K7PEH
 
 
  On Apr 22, 2014, at 4:57 PM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Phil,
 
  I 

[Elecraft] K3 sold

2014-04-23 Thread Ron Gould
The K3 I listed yesterday has been sold pending arrival of funds.
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Bill Turner

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:  (may be snipped)

On 4/23/2014 5:15 AM, MontyS wrote:

I usually use Priority Mail if available - 2 day delivery usually.
Monty K2DLJ 


REPLY:

Same here. USPS Priority Mail is my favorite.

The old saying is Cheaper, faster, better. Pick any two..  USPS 
Priority usually gives you all three.


73, Bill W6WRT

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Bill Frantz
That whopping big shipping charge is Elecraft code for we can't ship these 
items this way.

Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

On 4/23/14 at 5:03 AM, sla...@nullserv.com (Slava Baytalskiy) wrote:

 Funny thing is i actually tried every choice in that drop-down.
 USPS Priority came out to $999 or some ridiculous number.
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
I thought he said it was a 1 pound package.   I would have picked up the 
phone and called...


Mike W0MU

On 4/23/2014 8:57 AM, Bill Frantz wrote:

That whopping big shipping charge is Elecraft code for we can't ship these items 
this way.

Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

On 4/23/14 at 5:03 AM, sla...@nullserv.com (Slava Baytalskiy) wrote:


Funny thing is i actually tried every choice in that drop-down.
USPS Priority came out to $999 or some ridiculous number.

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
For USPS Priority, they usually deliver in 2 or 3 days, and they're 
trying to get more predictable.


No Guarantees.  I've had Priority Mail packages take weeks, but that's 
unusual.  It's a great service for the price.


UPS will tell you the exact day, and the package will arrive that day.

Amazon ships from many warehouses, and I'm sure they have one in New 
York state -- the package doesn't have that far to go once the order is 
placed.


Elecraft is in California.  A ground package is going to stay on the 
ground all the way.


You can check the UPS zone chart because the zone number is the number 
of days in transit.


On 4/23/2014 6:47 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

USPS Priority Mail delivers to any address in the US six days a week
and retail prices are generally 15 to 20% less expensive than UPS Brown
(Ground). 


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Re: [Elecraft] W2 fault?

2014-04-23 Thread Michael Walker
I would send an email to supp...@elecraft.com with the details.

They usually respond to me within hours.  I know as I have been having
issues with my KRC2 holding its mappings.

Mike va3mw



On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 Steve,

 I would try another sensor before digging into the W2 proper.

 73,
 Don W3FPR


 On 4/23/2014 8:43 AM, Steve Bunting wrote:

 Hi everyone,


 I have a W2 Watt meter and 2KW sensor that I haven't used for some time. I
 loaned it out to a club mate who reported it DOA. The unit self-tests OK
 and I've swapped the 8 way RJ45 cable for an out of the packet new one.
 I've tested it thoroughly on my bench and have found a few issues that I
 would like help resolving:


 When the sensor is plugged into port 1 I get full scale (high) SWR with no
 rf applied. When RF is applied no forward power is registered.


 When I plug the sensor into port 2, the meter functions, but 100W input
 from my K2 is reported as 80W. I have checked the K2 with other power
 meters and the all say 100W +/- 5%. The W2 also reports an SWR of 1.5:1
 when I use any of my dummy loads (or antennas!). They can't all be bad on
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Re: [Elecraft] W2 fault?

2014-04-23 Thread Steve Bunting
Hi Don and list,

I don't have access to another one, and don't really want to buy one just
for that.

Is there a UK based W2 owner who could loan me a coupler for quick test? Or
I'll send my meter to you if that would be easier. All costs covered of
course!

Cheers
Steve
M0BPQ

 Steve,

 I would try another sensor before digging into the W2 proper.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

On 4/23/2014 8:43 AM, Steve Bunting wrote:
 Hi everyone,


 I have a W2 Watt meter and 2KW sensor that I haven't used for some time. I
 loaned it out to a club mate who reported it DOA. The unit self-tests OK
 and I've swapped the 8 way RJ45 cable for an out of the packet new one.
 I've tested it thoroughly on my bench and have found a few issues that I
 would like help resolving:


 When the sensor is plugged into port 1 I get full scale (high) SWR with no
 rf applied. When RF is applied no forward power is registered.


 When I plug the sensor into port 2, the meter functions, but 100W input
 from my K2 is reported as 80W. I have checked the K2 with other power
 meters and the all say 100W +/- 5%. The W2 also reports an SWR of 1.5:1
 when I use any of my dummy loads (or antennas!). They can't all be bad on
 every HF band!



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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Phil Wheeler

$999?  Must have been a big item, Slava!

We all have frustrations of this nature from time 
to time. When I was assembling my KX3 I came 
across a bad part (or possibly I made it bad). 
That was on a Friday afternoon, and by the time I 
called the last mail had gone out. So my 
replacement arrived 5 days later, the following 
Wed. Very frustrating, given I'm only 300 miles 
from Elecraft. It was one of those parts you could 
not work beyond, and also one unavailable in any 
local hardware stores (and I have lots of those).


But once the package arrives the frustrations end, 
fortunately :-)


73, Phil w7ox

On 4/23/14, 5:03 AM, Slava Baytalskiy wrote:

I chose UPS Ground.
Funny thing is i actually tried every choice in that drop-down.
USPS Priority came out to $999 or some ridiculous number.

On Apr 23, 2014, at 8:00 AM, tnny...@yahoo.com wrote:


Did you choose next day, or 2nd day  Delivery 

 OR!

Did  you choose the Cheapest  option that was available?

73 Milverton.

On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 6:41 AM, Slava Baytalskiy sla...@nullserv.com 
wrote:
Hi everyone!
Sorry if i'm venting, but how come even the tiniest packages from Elecraft take 
full 7 days to arrive via UPS Ground?
1 pound package via UPS Ground, for almost $17 shouldn't take this long, should 
it?
I understand this isn't Amazon Prime, but come on, 7 days?

Slava B
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Larry Phipps

I do a lot of shipping, and here is what I have found...

For most domestic orders we ship using Priority Mail. They deliver 6 
days a week to almost everywhere, including PO boxes. They provide 
tracking and some level of insurance, and you can increase the insurance 
for low cost.


For higher value domestic packages we tend to use Fedex Ground. Usually 
a day or two slower, but better tracking and I feel better about the 
insurance process. When I need faster, I find 2-day service to be a 
reasonable cost.


For international we almost always use USPS Priority or Priority Express 
Mail. Exceptions include large packages. Fedex has a special program 
that gives ~70% discounts for international packages over 10 lbs.


One note about reliability. I find both to be extremely reliable. We 
have never lost a package in the US, and only a couple out of thousands 
internationally. There are several countries where theft is an issue, 
but for the most part they are all quite good.


I don't use UPS for outgoing shipments, but I use them for incoming 
because they get here earlier in the day.


73,
Larry N8LP



On 4/23/2014 11:07 AM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote:

Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 09:47:55 -0400
From: Joe Subich, W4TVli...@subich.com
To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries
Message-ID:5357c48b.2070...@subich.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed


USPS Priority Mail delivers to any address in the US six days a week
and retail prices are generally 15 to 20% less expensive than UPS Brown
(Ground).

73,

 ... Joe, W4TV


On 4/23/2014 9:35 AM, Bill wrote:

I have seen the USPS Priority $999 price when I didn't specify my location
prior to searching for delivery options.  Are you sure that USPS priority
delivers to Staten Island?

Bill  k4yjj


On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Slava Baytalskiysla...@nullserv.comwrote:


I chose UPS Ground.
Funny thing is i actually tried every choice in that drop-down.
USPS Priority came out to $999 or some ridiculous number.

On Apr 23, 2014, at 8:00 AM,tnny...@yahoo.com  wrote:


Did you choose next day, or 2nd day  Delivery 

  OR!

Did  you choose the Cheapest  option that was available?

73 Milverton.

On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 6:41 AM, Slava Baytalskiy 

sla...@nullserv.com wrote:

Hi everyone!
Sorry if i'm venting, but how come even the tiniest packages from

Elecraft take full 7 days to arrive via UPS Ground?

1 pound package via UPS Ground, for almost $17 shouldn't take this long,

should it?

I understand this isn't Amazon Prime, but come on, 7 days?

Slava B
W2RMS

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Phil Wheeler
Ah, me too! And now they've even arranged Sunday 
deliveries!


Amazon sure has a variety of merchandise, but 
somehow I doubt we'll ever see Elecraft sold via 
Amazon; of course, not ever = never, a word 
one should never say:-)


Phil w7ox

On 4/23/14, 5:36 AM, Slava Baytalskiy wrote:

I guess i'm just spoiled by Amazon Prime and their 2-day no matter what 
delivery.
Sometimes, a lot of times, i actually get it in one day, depending on where the 
item is geographically.
Oh well...
This just means i'll have one less distraction when putting up my new Hex Beam 
this weekend.

Slava B
W2RMS


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread george fritkin via Elecraft
OK   OK   OK ...Little to do with Elecraft.Moderator cut 
this thread off

Yes I have a delete button and yes I know how to use it

George, W6GF
On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 8:28 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT 
k...@coldrockshotbrooms.com wrote:
 
For USPS Priority, they usually deliver in 2 or 3 days, and they're 
trying to get more predictable.

No Guarantees.  I've had Priority Mail packages take weeks, but that's 
unusual.  It's a great service for the price.

UPS will tell you the exact day, and the package will arrive that day.

Amazon ships from many warehouses, and I'm sure they have one in New 
York state -- the package doesn't have that far to go once the order is 
placed.

Elecraft is in California.  A ground package is going to stay on the 
ground all the way.

You can check the UPS zone chart because the zone number is the number 
of days in transit.

On 4/23/2014 6:47 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
 USPS Priority Mail delivers to any address in the US six days a week
 and retail prices are generally 15 to 20% less expensive than UPS Brown
 (Ground). 

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Re: [Elecraft] KE7X KX3 Book and Configuring: KX3, K3, KPA500, and KAT500

2014-04-23 Thread Don Wilhelm
Given the fact that band data pullup resistors are included in the K3, 
the only certain way to assure you are going to get what you want 
would be to disconnect the K3 to KPA500 cable when using another 
transceiver.


There may be a possibility of leaving the K3 powered on with the cable 
connected, but that sounds 'iffy' to me because the K3 would be 
determining the band that the KPA500 selects.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/23/2014 9:58 AM, Cady, Fred wrote:

Good morning all.
Sorry I haven't chipped in before.
I think Jack's comment ...something else going on... is right on.

The band line pull-ups in the K3 are somewhat problematic.  They weren't there 
in the first placed (which was good design) but were added to the K3 early on 
to compensate for band decoders that didn't have pull ups (not good design).  
So that explains why the KPA500 shows 5.3 MHZ when the K3 is turned off.

However, neither of the key lines from the K3 (KEY OUT and KEYOUT_LP in ACC, K3 
schematic of June 2010) are pulled up.  One is an open drain and one an open 
collector.  These two lines are wire-ORed together in the KPA500. Wire-OR means 
either KEY OUT or KEYOUT_LP or both can key the KPA500. So I don't think that 
is what is causing the behavior you see.

I don't have the KX3 in the mix here at the moment but I tried the following:

K3 on 15 m, KPA on in Operate mode showing 21 MHZ.
Turn K3 off.  KPA switches to Standby immediately and then shows 5.3 MHZ a 
second or two later (significant delay there).
K3 still off. KPA switch from Standby to Operate and back and forth no problem.
K3 still off, KPA in Standby. Ground the KPA keying line PA KEY.  KPA can 
switch to operate and back and forth no problem.  When in Operate the * shows 
on the display as expected (saying the amp key line is low).

Another culprit might be DIGOUT1, although that too is an open collector 
output.  I wouldn't expect that to be doing anything when the K3 is off but if 
you see a _ in the KPA display, that means the amp is inhibited when you try to 
key because INHIBIT in enabled and DIGOUT1 is low.

Firmware: K3 4.83, KPA 1.38

What is your firmware?  There was a firmware change in the KPA a while ago that 
fixed a power up problem.

Cheers,
Fred




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[Elecraft] KX3 - RMS Express and DATA A Mode - Solved

2014-04-23 Thread Keith D Jones
Thanks to all that responded to my query.

 

Per the manual, Unlike SSB modes, DATA A disables compression and RX/TX EQ.
Upper sideband is the default.  There is no mention of the change to the
filter bandwidth to 500Hz default.  I was trying to use Pactor 3 at 2400Hz
and Winmor at 1600Hz.

 

One thing I haven't been able to figure out is that in DATA A mode - going
to the menu and MIC BIAS - it shows N/A does this mean that it is OFF in
DATA A mode or is it the same as in USB mode (ON in my case)?

 

73,

 

Keith, N4KDJ

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread David Cole
Mine took exactly 3 business days to arrive... I was given tracking info
etc.  I ordered 3 day shipping, and got 3 day shipping.  Maybe UPS
messed it up?

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On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 07:37 -0400, Slava Baytalskiy wrote:
 Hi everyone!
 Sorry if i'm venting, but how come even the tiniest packages from Elecraft 
 take full 7 days to arrive via UPS Ground?
 1 pound package via UPS Ground, for almost $17 shouldn't take this long, 
 should it?
 I understand this isn't Amazon Prime, but come on, 7 days?
 
 Slava B
 W2RMS
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Has anyone ever ordered from Idiom Press?

2014-04-23 Thread EricJ
I ordered one last year and had not problems, but a number of posts like 
yours have cropped up in the last several months.


It is a very nicely engineered modification. It basically guts the rotor 
controller using the front panel controls in different ways or in at 
least one case for an entirely different function. It has worked 
flawlessly for me for over a year under manual control and under Ham 
Radio Deluxe control.


But that doesn't help if they're not shipping or even communicating with 
you.


Eric
KE6US


On 4/23/2014 5:09 AM, Slava Baytalskiy wrote:

Here's another one:
has anyone here ever ordered anything from Idiom Press?
I'm really at a loss here...
I ordered this RotorEZ board to give me a serial port on an older CDE HAM-IV 
rotor/control box.
This was around March 31st time frame.
Their website does say that sometimes order could take up to two weeks to ship.
And that would be ok, except they don't reply to any e-mails or pick up the 
phone.
I don't even know if they are still in business...
I do see a charge on my card for April 11th, but even that is not for the full 
amount that i ordered.
Still, no response, nothing...

Is this how they operate normally?

I'm hoping someone here had dealing with these people and can shed some light 
on this.

Thanks in advance!
Slava B
W2RMS
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Alan Bloom

On 04/23/2014 08:36 AM, Larry Phipps wrote:

I do a lot of shipping, and here is what I have found...

For most domestic orders we ship using Priority Mail. They deliver 6
days a week to almost everywhere, including PO boxes.


But not everywhere.  For example they won't deliver to my house.

About a year ago, after decades of delivering to my house without 
problems, they suddenly claimed to have found a regulation that says 
that if your house is more than 1/2 mile from the public roadway they 
don't have to deliver.


So to save the driver less than 5 minutes of his time, I have to make a 
1-1/2 hour round trip to the post office to pick up my package.


UPS, FedEx, Ontrac and other delivery services deliver to my house.  But 
not the post office.


Can you tell I am not a big fan of the USPS?

Alan N1AL
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread David Cole
I believe that when you see $999 as the shipping cost, you have failed
to select a shipping method.  

That particular trigger pointed out to me, an error I made in my
shipping selections...  I corrected it, and all was well...  I decided
to not take UPS ground, because of the stated possible 7 day transit
time.  Elecraft delivered my package at 6 PM on Friday night to UPS,
provided me a tracking number, and it arrived on Tuesday, or Wednesday,
so they made it in the stated 3 days.  

Hearing some of the stories here about UPS holding up shipments, I am
glad I did not make the same mistake you did, and select UPS ground.  

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On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 08:03 -0400, Slava Baytalskiy wrote:
 I chose UPS Ground.
 Funny thing is i actually tried every choice in that drop-down.
 USPS Priority came out to $999 or some ridiculous number.
 
 On Apr 23, 2014, at 8:00 AM, tnny...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  Did you choose next day, or 2nd day  Delivery  
  
  OR! 
  
  Did  you choose the Cheapest  option that was available? 
  
  73 Milverton. 
  


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread David Cole
Hi,

Next time you are on Amazon, look at the prices for the same non-prime
item...  They are usually on the order of a few bucks less, but you pay
shipping...  You get what you pay for...  

With Amazon Prime, you are paying for fast shipments...  Even though
they don't make it obvious, by building it into the cost of the item.
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On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 08:36 -0400, Slava Baytalskiy wrote:
 I guess i'm just spoiled by Amazon Prime and their 2-day no matter what 
 delivery.
 Sometimes, a lot of times, i actually get it in one day, depending on where 
 the item is geographically.
 Oh well...
 This just means i'll have one less distraction when putting up my new Hex 
 Beam this weekend.
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Bob
Here in NJ I have received USPS Priority Mail packages from Elecraft in 3 days.  
USPS Priority Mail beats the pants off UPS most all the time for packages sent 
from west of about the Mississippi River.  And they are cheaper too.


Now for my pet peeve with Elecraft...  The only one too... When they ship 
Priority mail their mailing program uses the USPS formula  for calculating the 
cost.   This is sometimes a lot higher than using the Flat rate boxes.  I once 
sent them a picture of their package with plenty of room to spare inside a flat 
rate box.   The cost was slightly higher than half the charged cost.   To their 
credit they did make an adjustment.  As in all things it could be a trade off as 
using the flat rate may increase the cost to those closer to the mother ship.


Also to their credit they at least offer USPS service.  I have not ordered from 
companies that did not offer it  as I felt the UPS price for a small item was 
exorbitant.  Not applicable to Elecraft, as far as I can tell, but in quite a 
few cases the shipping department is not a cost of doing business but a profit 
center.


73,
Bob
K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956)  K2TKR


On 4/23/2014 8:15 AM, MontyS wrote:
5 business days - 7 calendar days, is nominal for coast-to-coast UPS ground. 
Fedex the same, although they deliver Saturdays (but not Mondays).  Not much 
Elecraft can do besides offer options.


I usually use Priority Mail if available - 2 day delivery usually.
Monty K2DLJ


Hi everyone!
Sorry if i'm venting, but how come even the tiniest packages from Elecraft 
take full 7 days to arrive via UPS Ground?
1 pound package via UPS Ground, for almost $17 shouldn't take this long, 
should it?

I understand this isn't Amazon Prime, but come on, 7 days?




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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Dan Baker
My 2 cents.
FedEx ground will leave my shipment on their dock so it does not deliver
early. They need to protect their overnight premium rate.
UPS will take 7 days on a 7 day lane.
USPS, depending on the lane, you may get your priority package ahead of
time. Sometimes overnight depending on the regions. However, USPS does not
make outbound on time for all packages. Partly because some are overlooked,
or they simply do not have the capacity with their contracted carriers.
However, they go everywhere.
IMHO FedEX ground has the best track record for being on time with the
least amount of footprints on my box.  And no, I do not work for any of the
above.

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[Elecraft] Fwd: KE7X KX3 Book and Configuring: KX3, K3, KPA500, and KAT500

2014-04-23 Thread Jim Bennett


 Let me add my two pesos to this discussion.
 
 I have my KX3 and K3 sharing the KPA500 and KAT500 per Fred's book. I noticed 
 the same strange stuff happening as in the original post when I first got my 
 station set up. One could go through a lot of hoo-ha trying to connect / 
 disconnect things but for me, there was a fairly simple way to get 'er done -
 
 If I have been using the K3 with the amp/tuner and I want to use the KX3, the 
 first step is to power off the amp, then power off the K3. I then power on 
 the KX3 and flip the two position coax switch over to the KX3. Power on the 
 amp and press the desired band button on the amp. If you are going to use the 
 same band as you did on the K3 all is ready. If you are going to a different 
 band, then one small shot of RF (hit the dah side of your keyer paddle) is 
 all it takes and you are good to go. That shot of RF is so the KAT500 is on 
 the same page as your KX3! I've been doing this for months and it works fine 
 for me.
 
 Jim / W6JHB
 
 
 On   Tuesday, Apr 22, 2014, at  Tuesday, 10:18 PM, Jack Brindle wrote:
 
 There appears to be some misconceptions in this discussion. First, the 
 information flow from the K3 to the KPA only occurs on the band lines and 
 the key line. Auxbus communications is one-way, from the KPA to the K3. The 
 KPA does not listen on the Auxbus.
 
 There is also something else going on that is in play here. When the K3 is 
 powered off, the pull-ups on the band lines (and the key line, I believe) 
 continue to work. They continue to pull the lines to Vcc. But with the K3 
 off, Vcc is now 0 volts. This means that a short time after the K3 powers 
 off the KPA will see all zeros on the band lines, and will switch to 60 
 meters. After this, RF coming into the KPA will cause it to switch to the 
 appropriate band, and all band switching will occur with incoming RF as long 
 as the band lines do not change.
 
 Of course, there is one other signal in play here. The Key line is important 
 since it causes the KPA to switch into transmit. We have seen the K3 pull 
 the Key line to ground at times, which just may be what you are seeing. If 
 the KEY line is active, the KPA will not switch from STBY to OPER. For this 
 to happen the KEY line must be high.
 
 The best way to connect two transceivers to the KPA is to use a physical 
 switch to select the transceiver. A five-pole two position switch will do 
 for the band and key lines, plus a coax switch of the RF.
 
 In short, you may get things to work with the description from Fred’s book. 
 But if the key line becomes driven low by the “off” transceiver for any 
 reason, you can expect weird things to happen.
 
 Jack Brindle, W6FB
 Elecraft Engineering
 
 On Apr 22, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Don,
 
 OK, I may be expecting too much.  Actually, I am not sure if I was 
 expecting as much as I was a little bit surprised by the behavior.  I 
 didn't think that the KPA500 and KX3 communicated with each other other 
 than RF and Key line but maybe that was enough of a difference from the K3. 
  The K3 of course in my case has the AUX cable connections with the KPA500 
 and KAT500.
 
 It is not a big deal as long as this is the way it is expected to work.  I 
 was not sure if I had done something wrong or not.
 
 But, just picked up W1AW/5 MS QRP power with the KX3.  Actually, it was 
 about 6 watts.  
 
 73, phil, K7PEH
 
 
 On Apr 22, 2014, at 4:57 PM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote:
 
 Phil,
 
 I think you may be expecting too much.
 Consider a parallel - a computer communicating with a printer.  If you 
 suddenly switch the printer cable to another computer, would you expect 
 the printer to continue printing without any intervention?
 
 The printer in this comparison is the KPA500 and the two computers are 
 the K3 and the KX3.
 
 It is not unreasonable IMHO to expect that a reset of the KPA500 would be 
 required.
 
 If the KPA500 were simply an amplifier with no communications capability 
 with the driving transceiver, switching from one source of RF input to 
 another should proceed without regard to whatever is the driving device, 
 but your KPA500 is more than just an amplifier because it can 
 communicate with the K3 or KX3 driving transceiver. Expecting the KPA500 
 to switch data streams from two different transceivers with no intervening 
 reset is not realistic.
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
 
 On 4/22/2014 7:41 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
 So, is this normal behavior?  I wasn't expecting any kind of comms 
 between the K3 and the KPA500 that affects the STBY/OPER switching.  It 
 does seem that a power on/off cycle for the KPA500 is required to enable 
 that switch.
 
 Is this designed to work this way or is this a flaw in the design or 
 maybe a missing mini-feature of configuring two different transceivers 
 with the KPA500.  I admit to not scouring all of the documentation yet on 
 the expected functionality of the STBY/OPER switch.
 
 73, 

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Edward R Cole
Probably already moderated - but I read the digest version...delivery 
twice a day! :-)


You guys ought to try living in Alaska and trying to get good 
delivery.  UPS only delivers on weekdays.  Their 2-day always takes 
3-days; USPS Priority Mail delivery is typically 3 days but can take 
5-days.  Parcel Post is 20-day (min).


UPS Ground to Alaska was not always available but now it is.  I don't 
use it much but would say 7-days is good.  UPS ground from my 
Anchorage electronic supply house is overnight if I get the order in 
by 3pm.  Of course that is not on weekends.


Cost of UPS/Fedex - Ha!  If the vendor only ships 2-day that can be a 
minimum of $50, no matter that the part cost $2.30.  Therefore, I do 
not chose UPS or Fedex and often chose my vendor based on whether 
they will send USPS Priority Mail.  Note Parcel Post rates to AK just 
jumped so it costs about 90% of choosing Priority Mail.  PP is history for AK.


I like free shipping!  Yeah, you are paying for that in the price of 
the goods ordered.  But isn't everyone offering this!


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Don Wilhelm
I am glad the local post office does not enforce that here.  We are on a 
private unpaved road 3/4 mile long, plus the driveway is 1/4 mile long, 
so the mailman has to travel 1 mile from the public road for parcels 
that will not fit into the mailbox - and I get several of those each week.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/23/2014 11:56 AM, Alan Bloom wrote:

On 04/23/2014 08:36 AM, Larry Phipps wrote:

I do a lot of shipping, and here is what I have found...

For most domestic orders we ship using Priority Mail. They deliver 6
days a week to almost everywhere, including PO boxes.


But not everywhere.  For example they won't deliver to my house.

About a year ago, after decades of delivering to my house without 
problems, they suddenly claimed to have found a regulation that says 
that if your house is more than 1/2 mile from the public roadway they 
don't have to deliver.




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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Phil Hystad
With my last Elecraft purchase, I requested UPS Ground, but then asked Elecraft 
to DELAY shipment.  This was done so that it would take longer, not shorter.  
The package arrived on time yesterday just when the tracking number said it 
would arrive.  Elecraft did delay their order processing and then put the 
process in the works so that the delivery would arrive by the date I asked for. 
 Excellent service.

Yes, I was out of town for a week.

73, phil, K7PEH


On Apr 23, 2014, at 5:03 AM, Slava Baytalskiy sla...@nullserv.com wrote:

 I chose UPS Ground.
 Funny thing is i actually tried every choice in that drop-down.
 USPS Priority came out to $999 or some ridiculous number.
 
 On Apr 23, 2014, at 8:00 AM, tnny...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Did you choose next day, or 2nd day  Delivery  
 
OR! 
 
 Did  you choose the Cheapest  option that was available? 
 
 73 Milverton. 
 
 On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 6:41 AM, Slava Baytalskiy sla...@nullserv.com 
 wrote:
 Hi everyone!
 Sorry if i'm venting, but how come even the tiniest packages from Elecraft 
 take full 7 days to arrive via UPS Ground?
 1 pound package via UPS Ground, for almost $17 shouldn't take this long, 
 should it?
 I understand this isn't Amazon Prime, but come on, 7 days?
 
 Slava B
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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Phil Wheeler
Not my experience with FedEx. Packages often 
arrive two days before tracking data forecasts. So 
I have to really watch anything requiring a 
signature, so I'm here to sign.


When I ship anything of value (e.g., a PayPal 
sale) I use UPS because their tracking data is 
strong. USPS seems less so


Phil w7ox

On 4/23/14, 9:19 AM, Dan Baker wrote:

My 2 cents.
FedEx ground will leave my shipment on their dock so it does not deliver
early. They need to protect their overnight premium rate.


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Phil Kane
On 4/23/2014 5:24 AM, Larry Lopez wrote:

 USPS ground is 5 days, not 5 business days.
 USPS ground moves on the weekends.
 UPS ground does not move on the weekends.

UPS trailers on trains - the so-called Z-trains - run 7 days a week
and have the highest freight priority on Class I railroads - sometimes
to AMTRAK's chagrin.  (Railroad-fanning is my other hobby!)
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Gerry Hull
Slava,

Yes, I was frustrated by how slow UPS ground was getting my K3/0 Mini!  But
I have it now, and it works great, and the frustration is gone.
I also have Amazon Prime, and two day is not always two day.  When it's
not, their is no recourse.  Also, if you pay extra $3.99 or whatever for
Amazon 1-day, and they don't deliver, there is no refund.

I get mad because I'm rural, and the local UPS guy lives close to me -- so,
UPS always says my shipment has been delayed by weather, and the packages
end up coming 8 or 9pm at night --- because the driver wants to deliver
them on the way home.

USPS Priority Small, Medium or Large flat-rate shipping is the best deal in
the country for 2-3 day shipping.  I sent my K3 back for repair in a large
flat-rate box.   No problems.   Also, if you have an ebay account, you can
buy and print USPS labels for 20% off.

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 I guess i'm just spoiled by Amazon Prime and their 2-day no matter what
 delivery.
 Sometimes, a lot of times, i actually get it in one day, depending on
 where the item is geographically.
 Oh well...
 This just means i'll have one less distraction when putting up my new Hex
 Beam this weekend.

 Slava B
 W2RMS

 On Apr 23, 2014, at 8:24 AM, Larry Lopez lawlop...@gmail.com wrote:

  USPS ground is 5 days, not 5 business days.
  USPS ground moves on the weekends.
  UPS ground does not move on the weekends.
 
  UPS drop off at Staples at 5:30PM Friday
  doesn't get picked up until 5PM Monday
 
  This isn't a criticism of anyone.
  It's an explanation of what has been observed.
 
  I look at it as allowing the transceiver
  a short vacation before going to work.
 
  MontyS [via Elecraft] wrote:
  5 business days - 7 calendar days, is nominal for coast-to-coast UPS
  ground.
  Fedex the same, although they deliver Saturdays (but not Mondays).
  Not much
  Elecraft can do besides offer options.
 
  I usually use Priority Mail if available - 2 day delivery usually.
  Monty K2DLJ
 
  Hi everyone!
  Sorry if i'm venting, but how come even the tiniest packages from
  Elecraft
  take full 7 days to arrive via UPS Ground?
  1 pound package via UPS Ground, for almost $17 shouldn't take this
  long,
  should it?
  I understand this isn't Amazon Prime, but come on, 7 days?
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Has anyone ever ordered from Idiom Press?

2014-04-23 Thread John via Elecraft
Slava,
I ordered their board about a year and a half ago and it came fairly promptly. 
Needed it for my remote station control. Works pretty well with a glitch or 
two.  Does allow me to rotate remotely which is why I have it. 
More info available if needed. 
John, N0IJ

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 On Apr 23, 2014, at 7:09 AM, Slava Baytalskiy sla...@nullserv.com wrote:
 
 Here's another one:
 has anyone here ever ordered anything from Idiom Press?
 I'm really at a loss here...
 I ordered this RotorEZ board to give me a serial port on an older CDE HAM-IV 
 rotor/control box.
 This was around March 31st time frame.
 Their website does say that sometimes order could take up to two weeks to 
 ship.
 And that would be ok, except they don't reply to any e-mails or pick up the 
 phone.
 I don't even know if they are still in business...
 I do see a charge on my card for April 11th, but even that is not for the 
 full amount that i ordered.
 Still, no response, nothing...
 
 Is this how they operate normally?
 
 I'm hoping someone here had dealing with these people and can shed some light 
 on this.
 
 Thanks in advance!
 Slava B
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft
If I lived in Alaska I think I would rather have Good Wood Delivery than Good 
Elecraft Delivery.
 
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
K5EWJ  Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart



 From: Edward R Cole kl...@acsalaska.net
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries
 

Probably already moderated - but I read the digest version...delivery 
twice a day! :-)

You guys ought to try living in Alaska and trying to get good 
delivery.  UPS only delivers on weekdays.  Their 2-day always takes 
3-days; USPS Priority Mail delivery is typically 3 days but can take 
5-days.  Parcel Post is 20-day (min).

UPS Ground to Alaska was not always available but now it is.  I don't 
use it much but would say 7-days is good.  UPS ground from my 
Anchorage electronic supply house is overnight if I get the order in 
by 3pm.  Of course that is not on weekends.

Cost of UPS/Fedex - Ha!  If the vendor only ships 2-day that can be a 
minimum of $50, no matter that the part cost $2.30.  Therefore, I do 
not chose UPS or Fedex and often chose my vendor based on whether 
they will send USPS Priority Mail.  Note Parcel Post rates to AK just 
jumped so it costs about 90% of choosing Priority Mail.  PP is history for AK.

I like free shipping!  Yeah, you are paying for that in the price of 
the goods ordered.  But isn't everyone offering this!

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Doug Turnbull
Dear OMs and Yls,
 I like UPS, their tracking is excellent but they do not always knock
when making a delivery and get a signature.At 2:52 this afternoon, my
new KX3 was delivered to my brother's house in Connecticut.   I checked this
and called my brother who thought the package had not come but found it
outside his door when he looked.He was home as was my nephew during the
delivery but the UPS man did not knock.Tracking was superb but the final
step is sometimes not executed.I have other friends in the USA who have
had similar difficulties with UPS.Sometimes individual UPS drivers leave
very expensive parcels besides letter boxes on a busy road 150 yards from
the house.  This is not good enough with an expensive radio.   Buyer beware.


  I do find that UPS tracking on international shipments is superb and
have never experienced a problem with them.   If one ships overseas by USPS
it seems the tracking stops at the USA border and then sometimes one can go
to the domestic postal service for the country involved and type in the
original tracking number and follow their parcel in their home country.
How one does with a parcel travelling between European countries, I do not
know.

  73 Doug EI2CN



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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Jim Lowman

I see that you're in New York.

Welcome to my pain, if I order anything from the east coast and it 
travels UPS Ground.
Fortunately, I'm two business days away from Elecraft, whether I specify 
UPS or Priority Mail.
The advantage to Priority Mail is that there are Saturday deliveries, at 
least for the time being.


Isn't Amazon Prime great?  After holding out for a long time, I recently 
signed up.
No more waiting until I have $35 worth to order, to get the free 
shipping (and then wait while they take their time to ship).
Case in point:  I ordered four ARRL books on the weekend.  Three are 
here already (arrived yesterday) and the fourth, coming from Delaware, 
should be here today, thanks to UPS Second-Day Air.

ARRL wants an exorbitant amount for shipping; even one book.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 4/23/2014 5:36 AM, Slava Baytalskiy wrote:

I guess i'm just spoiled by Amazon Prime and their 2-day no matter what 
delivery.
Sometimes, a lot of times, i actually get it in one day, depending on where the 
item is geographically.
Oh well...
This just means i'll have one less distraction when putting up my new Hex Beam 
this weekend.

Slava B
W2RMS



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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread István Szabó

Doug,

They are best for me in EU. I order from UK till 4PM and next noon at my 
door.


73' István
ha4zd


On 23/04/2014 21:43, Doug Turnbull wrote:

Dear OMs and Yls,
  I like UPS, their tracking is excellent but they do not always knock
when making a delivery and get a signature.At 2:52 this afternoon, my
new KX3 was delivered to my brother's house in Connecticut.   I checked this
and called my brother who thought the package had not come but found it
outside his door when he looked.He was home as was my nephew during the
delivery but the UPS man did not knock.Tracking was superb but the final
step is sometimes not executed.I have other friends in the USA who have
had similar difficulties with UPS.Sometimes individual UPS drivers leave
very expensive parcels besides letter boxes on a busy road 150 yards from
the house.  This is not good enough with an expensive radio.   Buyer beware.


   I do find that UPS tracking on international shipments is superb and
have never experienced a problem with them.   If one ships overseas by USPS
it seems the tracking stops at the USA border and then sometimes one can go
to the domestic postal service for the country involved and type in the
original tracking number and follow their parcel in their home country.
How one does with a parcel travelling between European countries, I do not
know.

   73 Doug EI2CN



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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Jim Lowman

Well, with UPS, delivery time is a crapshoot.
I've had normal UPS shipments arrive at the house anywhere from 10 AM up 
to 8:30 PM.
In the latter case, I'm not even talking about the holiday season (it 
was Halloween).
I had given up on that delivery, even though the status showed that it 
was out for delivery, so we went out for dinner.
When we got home, I checked the delivery time on the UPS tracking site, 
and it was approximately 8:30.
Today, I'm waiting for a delivery that was shipped via UPS Second-Day 
Air.  Here it is 1430L, and no package yet.

To be fair, though, the delivery commitment is stated as By End of Day.

Joining UPS My Choice is a good idea.  I can give them authorization, on 
a one-time or a blanket basis, to leave any package that doesn't require 
a signature.
While UPS deems the QTH to be in a safe delivery area, I have to admit 
being a bit nervous about a nearly-$800 CrankIR antenna being delivered 
when we were out for a while yesterday.
As luck would have it, though, we were both here when the truck pulled 
up at about 3 PM.


I expressed surprise to someone at Elecraft that they ship high-value 
packages without requiring a signature, but that was explained to my 
satisfaction.


73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 4/23/2014 8:36 AM, Larry Phipps wrote:
I don't use UPS for outgoing shipments, but I use them for incoming 
because they get here earlier in the day.


73,
Larry N8LP


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Don Wilhelm
My UPS delivery time is normally quite consistent - between 12 and 12:30 
- so if we go out to lunch and errands (which is most every day) we will 
not be home when the UPS man arrives.
Fortunately, I have a waiver of signature and release on file, thanks to 
UPS MyChoice, so the driver leaves the parcels at the front door.   
There are times when the sender has explicitly required a signature, and 
that can cause a delay in delivery.
For USPS, the normal carrier and I have a similar arrangement - he also 
delivers in the 12 to 12:30 timeframe.  There are pre-signed delivery 
slips in the mailbox, and he leaves anything that cannot fit in the 
mailbox at the front door.


I have not been able to make similar arrangements with FedEx, so 
customers requiring a signature might encounter a day or two delay, but 
they do not deliver on any regular schedule.


I have between 3 and 8 parcel deliveries every week, so I do have more 
experience than most.  Yes, different areas may not be the same as I 
encounter, but both the UPS man and the USPS carrier know me well.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/23/2014 5:44 PM, Jim Lowman wrote:

Well, with UPS, delivery time is a crapshoot.


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Jim Lowman

This is one area where FedEx shines.

One time that I ordered (not necessarily from Elecraft) the shipper got 
the package out the same day, and it was due to arrive when we were on 
vacation.
I was able to go online and request that the package be held at the 
nearest FedEx Office location, which is about six miles from home. No 
extra charge.
This location is open seven days a week, so no problem getting the 
package, even on Sunday.


73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 4/23/2014 9:56 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:

With my last Elecraft purchase, I requested UPS Ground, but then asked Elecraft 
to DELAY shipment.  This was done so that it would take longer, not shorter.  
The package arrived on time yesterday just when the tracking number said it 
would arrive.  Elecraft did delay their order processing and then put the 
process in the works so that the delivery would arrive by the date I asked for. 
 Excellent service.

Yes, I was out of town for a week.

73, phil, K7PEH



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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Jim Lowman
True, Phil.  I have had packages delivered by USPS that weren't even 
scheduled, according to their tracking.


73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 4/23/2014 10:40 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
Not my experience with FedEx. Packages often arrive two days before 
tracking data forecasts. So I have to really watch anything requiring 
a signature, so I'm here to sign.


When I ship anything of value (e.g., a PayPal sale) I use UPS because 
their tracking data is strong. USPS seems less so


Phil w7ox



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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Chuck Smallhouse
I try and use USPS when ever possible as they certainly need the 
business !  We have a very friendly and obliging village PO, best 
that I've ever used.  They don't delivery to my address either, as 
it's probably not cost effective to go up a half mile of rutted dirt 
road, but instead, they give me a free large sized PO box .  Their 
Flat Rate, Priority service is both inexpensive (relative), with free 
containers and quite fast.  The only problem is if my package doesn't 
fit in my box or the lobby boxes are full, I have to pick up, only 
when they are open.  Fortunately it's on my way when I need to go to town.


I found out that the UPS drivers are on contract and have to 
periodically bid for their route.  I had one driver that became a 
good friend, after I pulled him out when he slipped off of my icy 
road.  He came to my door with 'good news' and 'bad news'.  I have a 
package for you, however I slipped off the road a quarter mile down 
below !  Can you try and pull me back on the road, so I can deliver it ?


Chuck,  W7CS

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Re: [Elecraft] Text Decode Issues (Cured?)

2014-04-23 Thread HREFAB
With a lot of tiny adjustments and very careful attention to the setup, it
seems that I have a fairly decent text decode now on my KX3. The key is very
VERY sensitive to adjustment so if you get it where you like it, don't
change anything!

It still makes some mistakes, but I can live with that. The point is not
perfect decode, but reasonable expectations of being close. To that end, I
am pretty satisfied. I have also come to realize that there are an awful lot
of operators out there who send high speed gibberish. No one seems to take
the time to send correctly when they get over 25wpm. It's just WIZ BANG
BOOM! Ok, I get it. 

I also purchased the KX3 book from Fred Cady KE7X which I am now going over
page by page. Seems like a good investment as he clearly is very familiar
with the KX3.





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[Elecraft] kX3 - firmware update problem - no comms and MCU LD

2014-04-23 Thread Darren Long
Hi,

I've just tried a firmware update using KX3 Utility rev 1.14.4.11 which
failed early on, leaving the KX3 stuck showing MCU LD and KX3 Utility
unable to communicate with the rig.

How should I proceed?

Cheers,

Darren, G0HWW
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Larry Lopez
wow.

So probably the only delay in there is not getting
it the UPS office on Friday and having it wait
untiol monday afternoon.  3 days a staples.

Thanks,
I was sorely wrong.

Larry

Phil Kane-2 [via Elecraft] wrote:
 On 4/23/2014 5:24 AM, Larry Lopez wrote:

  USPS ground is 5 days, not 5 business days.
  USPS ground moves on the weekends.
  UPS ground does not move on the weekends.

 UPS trailers on trains - the so-called Z-trains - run 7 days a week
 and have the highest freight priority on Class I railroads - sometimes
 to AMTRAK's chagrin.  (Railroad-fanning is my other hobby!)
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Re: [Elecraft] kX3 - firmware update problem - no comms and MCU LD

2014-04-23 Thread Dick Dievendorff
KX3 Utility, Help, Troubleshooting, MCU Load Failure (the page is titled MCU
Boot Loader Troubleshooting).

73 de Dick, K6KR


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To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] kX3 - firmware update problem - no comms and MCU LD

Hi,

I've just tried a firmware update using KX3 Utility rev 1.14.4.11 which
failed early on, leaving the KX3 stuck showing MCU LD and KX3 Utility
unable to communicate with the rig.

How should I proceed?

Cheers,

Darren, G0HWW
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Re: [Elecraft] kX3 - firmware update problem - no comms and MCU LD

2014-04-23 Thread Darren Long
Thanks.  Somewhat typically, I don't seem to have the library needed for
the help viewer to work.  I don't suppose you could paste an extract,
could you, please?

Cheers,

Darren, G0HWW


On 24/04/14 00:54, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
 KX3 Utility, Help, Troubleshooting, MCU Load Failure (the page is titled MCU
 Boot Loader Troubleshooting).
 
 73 de Dick, K6KR
 
 
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 Long
 Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 16:53 PM
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 Hi,
 
 I've just tried a firmware update using KX3 Utility rev 1.14.4.11 which
 failed early on, leaving the KX3 stuck showing MCU LD and KX3 Utility
 unable to communicate with the rig.
 
 How should I proceed?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Darren, G0HWW
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Re: [Elecraft] kX3 - firmware update problem - no comms and MCU LD

2014-04-23 Thread Darren Long
Well, duh. It's just html. I'll show myself out ..

Darren, G0HWW

On 24/04/14 01:01, Darren Long wrote:
 Thanks.  Somewhat typically, I don't seem to have the library needed for
 the help viewer to work.  I don't suppose you could paste an extract,
 could you, please?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Darren, G0HWW
 
 
 On 24/04/14 00:54, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
 KX3 Utility, Help, Troubleshooting, MCU Load Failure (the page is titled MCU
 Boot Loader Troubleshooting).

 73 de Dick, K6KR


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 Hi,

 I've just tried a firmware update using KX3 Utility rev 1.14.4.11 which
 failed early on, leaving the KX3 stuck showing MCU LD and KX3 Utility
 unable to communicate with the rig.

 How should I proceed?

 Cheers,

 Darren, G0HWW
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Re: [Elecraft] kX3 - firmware update problem - no comms and MCU LD

2014-04-23 Thread Don Wilhelm

Darren,

That level is the MAC version of KX3 Utility, I use Windows, so I can't 
help on the Utility.
I would suggest that you power everything down including the computer, 
then follow the steps in the KX3 manual to force a firmware load.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/23/2014 7:52 PM, Darren Long wrote:

Hi,

I've just tried a firmware update using KX3 Utility rev 1.14.4.11 which
failed early on, leaving the KX3 stuck showing MCU LD and KX3 Utility
unable to communicate with the rig.

How should I proceed?




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Re: [Elecraft] kX3 - firmware update problem - no comms and MCU LD

2014-04-23 Thread Darren Long
Recovery now underway.  I suspected that Ubuntu had re-installed Modem
Manager during a recent upgrade, which has a habit of mucking with the
Elecraft USB UART adapters in the mistaken belief that they are a modem.
I reckon that it was that that caused the hiccup, I've uninstalled it
(again).

Thanks for the help.

Darren, G0HWW

On 24/04/14 01:04, Darren Long wrote:
 Well, duh. It's just html. I'll show myself out ..
 
 Darren, G0HWW
 
 On 24/04/14 01:01, Darren Long wrote:
 Thanks.  Somewhat typically, I don't seem to have the library needed for
 the help viewer to work.  I don't suppose you could paste an extract,
 could you, please?

 Cheers,

 Darren, G0HWW


 On 24/04/14 00:54, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
 KX3 Utility, Help, Troubleshooting, MCU Load Failure (the page is titled MCU
 Boot Loader Troubleshooting).

 73 de Dick, K6KR


 -Original Message-
 From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Darren
 Long
 Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 16:53 PM
 To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] kX3 - firmware update problem - no comms and MCU LD

 Hi,

 I've just tried a firmware update using KX3 Utility rev 1.14.4.11 which
 failed early on, leaving the KX3 stuck showing MCU LD and KX3 Utility
 unable to communicate with the rig.

 How should I proceed?

 Cheers,

 Darren, G0HWW
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Re: [Elecraft] Has anyone ever ordered from Idiom Press?

2014-04-23 Thread WB3LGC

I ordered a digi-talker a year and a half ago.
It came.
It was missing parts.
I emailed.
I got no answer or parts.
I emailed the designer.  He had not been able to contact Idiom Press, 
either.  He provided me the real part numbers.

I purchased the parts.
I never heard from Idiom Press.
I would like to add the rotor control but not likely...

73, Steve WB3LGC

On 04/23/2014 08:09 AM, Slava Baytalskiy wrote:

Here's another one:
has anyone here ever ordered anything from Idiom Press?
I'm really at a loss here...
I ordered this RotorEZ board to give me a serial port on an older CDE HAM-IV 
rotor/control box.
This was around March 31st time frame.
Their website does say that sometimes order could take up to two weeks to ship.
And that would be ok, except they don't reply to any e-mails or pick up the 
phone.
I don't even know if they are still in business...
I do see a charge on my card for April 11th, but even that is not for the full 
amount that i ordered.
Still, no response, nothing...

Is this how they operate normally?

I'm hoping someone here had dealing with these people and can shed some light 
on this.

Thanks in advance!
Slava B
W2RMS
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Re: [Elecraft] Text Decode Issues (Cured?)

2014-04-23 Thread Fred Jensen

Does HREFAB have a call?

73,

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On 4/23/2014 4:13 PM, HREFAB wrote:

With a lot of tiny adjustments and very careful attention to the setup, it
seems that I have a fairly decent text decode now on my KX3. The key is very
VERY sensitive to adjustment so if you get it where you like it, don't
change anything!



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[Elecraft] Going 2014 with my K2

2014-04-23 Thread PHILIP GRAITCER
I love my five year old K2, and although I have a K3, I’d like to keep using 
the K2 for the field and digital. I’ve noticed that there have been discussions 
on the two items below on the reflector, but they are years old. Does this 
list’s collective brain trust have 2014 suggestions?

1. The SLA battery is about worn out, although it has been kept topped up using 
Don Wilhelm’s suggestion of the AA Engineering charger. I’d like to replace the 
battery with one that is newer and lighter - LiPO or LiPOFe. Has anyone done 
this, and can you suggest particular batteries, part numbers, and set up for 
charging.

2. Digital modes. Don has a nice solution to digital modes on the K2, but are 
there updates? What are others doing to go digital with their K2s?

Thanks,
Phil



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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 and WSPR

2014-04-23 Thread Jim Brown

On 4/22/2014 6:12 PM, Mike va3mw wrote:

I think your serial port number has to be less then 8 or 16. I can't remember 
where the limitation is.


That was it.  Thanks!

73, Jim K9YC

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[Elecraft] Going 2014 with my K2

2014-04-23 Thread Johnny Siu
Hello Philip,

With advancement in battery technology, it is really a good idea to replace the 
internal SLA.  The best will be a 4 cells LiPOFE which will give you an 
operation voltage of about 13.2v.  This will make K2 delivering its full power.

LiPoFe cells are also more stable.  On the other hands, a 3 cells LiPo 11.1v is 
also a possible alternative. The trick is to make sure you get all those cells 
from reputable battery suppliers.  To charge those cells, I would suggest you 
stick to the intelligent balance chargers which are easily avaliable from the 
RC shops.

73

Johnny VR2XMC
 


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主題︰ [Elecraft] Going 2014 with my K2
  

I love my five year old K2, and although I have a K3, I’d like to keep using 
the K2 for the field and digital. I’ve noticed that there have been discussions 
on the two items below on the reflector, but they are years old. Does this 
list’s collective brain trust have 2014 suggestions?

1. The SLA battery is about worn out, although it has been kept topped up using 
Don Wilhelm’s suggestion of the AA Engineering charger. I’d like to replace the 
battery with one that is newer and lighter - LiPO or LiPOFe. Has anyone done 
this, and can you suggest particular batteries, part numbers, and set up for 
charging.

2. Digital modes. Don has a nice solution to digital modes on the K2, but are 
there updates? What are others doing to go digital with their K2s?

Thanks,
Phil



Philip L. Graitcer, W3HZZ
Atlanta and St Simons Island, GA



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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 and KXPA100 in high duty cycle use

2014-04-23 Thread Fred Meier
And when you want to use your KX3 barefoot, and discover the temp limitations 
for your modes, consider that I have a very nice, and very functional heat sink 
waiting for your call. The results are positive. Double the key down time over 
stock in extreme trials. In normal operations you can carry on and carry on. 
Cheers, Fred
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread David Cole
Yet more reasons to avoid Alaska!  :)
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Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
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On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 08:33 -0800, Edward R Cole wrote:
 Probably already moderated - but I read the digest version...delivery 
 twice a day! :-)
 
 You guys ought to try living in Alaska and trying to get good 
 delivery.  UPS only delivers on weekdays.  Their 2-day always takes 
 3-days; USPS Priority Mail delivery is typically 3 days but can take 
 5-days.  Parcel Post is 20-day (min).


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Jim Lowman
That's interesting.  The XYL or I have had 1-2 UPS deliveries a week for 
the past few weeks, but it seems that it's never the same driver.


73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 4/23/2014 4:10 PM, Chuck Smallhouse wrote:
I found out that the UPS drivers are on contract and have to 
periodically bid for their route.  I had one driver that became a good 
friend, after I pulled him out when he slipped off of my icy road.  He 
came to my door with 'good news' and 'bad news'.  I have a package 
for you, however I slipped off the road a quarter mile down below !  
Can you try and pull me back on the road, so I can deliver it ?


Chuck,  W7CS

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft UPS deliveries

2014-04-23 Thread Fred Jensen
Maybe this thread would better be moved to the United Parcel Service 
list?  For all of us, shipping is what it is.  It matters where you live 
on the planet, and it apparently matters where you live in relation to 
the nearest public road.  Elecraft, like all the other online stores we 
all visit, offer a variety of shipping options.  You get to pick, how 
much better and more capitalistic could that be? :-))


I have no idea who our UPS drivers are, nor the USPS or FedEx.  I'm 
without color vision, honestly they all look alike to me.  Well, not the 
trucks. :-)


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
- www.cqp.org

On 4/23/2014 7:29 PM, Jim Lowman wrote:

That's interesting.  The XYL or I have had 1-2 UPS deliveries a week for
the past few weeks, but it seems that it's never the same driver.

73 de Jim - AD6CW



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Re: [Elecraft] What crystal filters for the K3 are linear phase delay (constant group delay) ?

2014-04-23 Thread Larry Lopez
It turns out that the Elecraft 2.7 KHz 5 pole filter is the winner
according to:

http://www.qsl.net/gm3woj/k3filtertestssn2203.pdf

which makes me want to make my own filter.
Still, I'm going to keep the 400Hz 8 pole filter which
is coming with my S/N 27xx Elecraft Radio !!!




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[Elecraft] OT: NVIS with KX3

2014-04-23 Thread Johnny Siu
Hello elecrafters,

It is off topic and you may wish to press 'del' button now.

Local ham clubs together with some hams in the China Mainland are going to do 
some drilling in ARES within the Pearl River Delta area (with a radius of about 
50km).  NVIS could be one of the operation to trial run for ARES.  My questions 
are:

1.  Is the power output say 10w from KX3 good enough for such purpose under 
SSB? We don't want CW which requires training operators.  Phone mode can be 
operated by anyone with minimal guidance (a simulation under emergency).

2. During day time, is 40m a proper band to use (no 60m band in ITU Region 3)?  
If yes, what will be usually frequencies used such proposes?

3.  I am going to use Buddipole for the NVIS antenna.  Did you go good results 
for similar operation in the past?

Looking forward to your advice and thanks in advance.  Please reply 
off-the-list so as to save the bandwidth here.

73

Johnny VR2XMC
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: NVIS with KX3

2014-04-23 Thread Stephen Bloom
Not exactly related to this but ...fwiw as someone fairly new to this
reflector ...

I'm just as interested in what people *do* with their Elecraft equipment as
well as how their experiences ..whether DX ..Contest ..EComm..VHF/UHF/EME
etc. using Elecraft equipment compare with experiences using other
equipment.  Some of the threads here do go on too long ..or once in awhile
go off on an extreme tangent ..but for the most part ...I think we are a
little too quick to claim off topic YMMV

73
Steve KL7SB


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To: Elecraft; k...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: NVIS with KX3

Hello elecrafters,

It is off topic and you may wish to press 'del' button now.

Local ham clubs together with some hams in the China Mainland are going to
do some drilling in ARES within the Pearl River Delta area (with a radius of
about 50km).  NVIS could be one of the operation to trial run for ARES.  My
questions are:

1.  Is the power output say 10w from KX3 good enough for such purpose under
SSB? We don't want CW which requires training operators.  Phone mode can be
operated by anyone with minimal guidance (a simulation under emergency).

2. During day time, is 40m a proper band to use (no 60m band in ITU Region
3)?  If yes, what will be usually frequencies used such proposes?

3.  I am going to use Buddipole for the NVIS antenna.  Did you go good
results for similar operation in the past?

Looking forward to your advice and thanks in advance.  Please reply
off-the-list so as to save the bandwidth here.

73

Johnny VR2XMC
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Re: [Elecraft] What crystal filters for the K3 are linear phase delay (constant group delay) ?

2014-04-23 Thread Larry Lopez
And just for the record.

If you are going to optimize for bandpass shape
then you are going to have non constant group delay.

If you add more crystals you can have both and the
filters would be more expensive.

It's a compromise and we demand this compromise.

A phase linear filter looks bloody awful in terms
of bandpass shape.  No sharp sides.

But these days the DSP can provide some of the
attenuation so perhaps a compromise can be made.

Which is why I like the 2.7 KHz 5 pole filter.




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Re: [Elecraft] OT: NVIS with KX3

2014-04-23 Thread Vic Rosenthal K2VCO
1) I can't answer the question about power, but it's easy enough to try 
it and see.


2) 40M should work for this application.  Frequencies depend on local 
practice, QRM, etc.


3) You need a horizontal antenna for this mode, so a Buddipole would 
have to be configured that way. But I think -- since you would only be 
operating one band -- that a more efficient and simpler to use system 
would be an ordinary dipole. A good height for an NVIS dipole on 7100 
kHz would be 3 to 5 m above ground. I suspect that a loaded antenna like 
a Buddipole would be more affected by ground losses than a simple dipole.


All of the above is easy to test with two radios and antennas!

On 4/23/2014 9:03 PM, Johnny Siu wrote:

Hello elecrafters,

It is off topic and you may wish to press 'del' button now.

Local ham clubs together with some hams in the China Mainland are
going to do some drilling in ARES within the Pearl River Delta area
(with a radius of about 50km).  NVIS could be one of the operation to
trial run for ARES.  My questions are:

1.  Is the power output say 10w from KX3 good enough for such purpose
under SSB? We don't want CW which requires training operators.  Phone
mode can be operated by anyone with minimal guidance (a simulation
under emergency).

2. During day time, is 40m a proper band to use (no 60m band in ITU
Region 3)?  If yes, what will be usually frequencies used such
proposes?

3.  I am going to use Buddipole for the NVIS antenna.  Did you go
good results for similar operation in the past?

Looking forward to your advice and thanks in advance.  Please reply
off-the-list so as to save the bandwidth here.

73

Johnny VR2XMC


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Re: [Elecraft] What crystal filters for the K3 are linear phase delay (constant group delay) ?

2014-04-23 Thread Larry Lopez
Some of the wider filters in that paper are pretty good.
The narrowest filters are not so good.
The flat part of the passband has constant group delay.
The skirts are awful

For narrow filters it starts going weird.

Larry Lopez [via Elecraft] wrote:
 It turns out that the Elecraft 2.7 KHz 5 pole filter is the winner
 according to:

 http://www.qsl.net/gm3woj/k3filtertestssn2203.pdf

 which makes me want to make my own filter.
 Still, I'm going to keep the 400Hz 8 pole filter which
 is coming with my S/N 27xx Elecraft Radio !!!


 
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: NVIS with KX3

2014-04-23 Thread Jim Brown

On 4/23/2014 9:03 PM, Johnny Siu wrote:

I am going to use Buddipole for the NVIS antenna.  Did you go good results for 
similar operation in the past?


That's one ringer. A Buddipole for 80 or 40M will require lots of 
inductive loading, so it will be VERY inefficient. Also, with NVIS, 
ground conductivity matters -- you need good ground conductivity to get 
good NVIS.


It's worth studying the sections of the ARRL Antenna Book on the topic 
of propagation, and how the state of ionization by the sun affects 
whether you have a chance at NVIS. When you're using QRP, you have at 
least one hand tied behind your back. Don't let a poor antenna choice 
tie the other one.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: NVIS with KX3

2014-04-23 Thread Jim Brown

On 4/23/2014 9:43 PM, Vic Rosenthal K2VCO wrote:
You need a horizontal antenna for this mode, so a Buddipole would have 
to be configured that way. But I think -- since you would only be 
operating one band -- that a more efficient and simpler to use system 
would be an ordinary dipole. 


YES!

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] What crystal filters for the K3 are linear phase delay (constant group delay) ?

2014-04-23 Thread Walter Underwood
In analog filter design, you get to choose between good phase performance and 
good amplitude performance. You can't have both. If you want a flat passband 
and steep skirts, you'll get wonky phase. The Chebyshev filter is a good 
example of controlling amplitude response. If you want good phase performance, 
you'll get a gentle rolloff from the center frequency and long, shallow skirts. 
Bessel filters are a good example of that.

None of these are completely linear in phase response, but the Bessel filters 
are better.

The usual approach is to choose a filter with steep skirts that is wider than 
you need, so you can use the middle of the passband where the phase response is 
not so bad. Then do additional filtering in DSP, where you can have good 
amplitude and phase performance at the cost of delay. Better filters, more 
delay.

There is no free lunch, it's physics.

My analog filter design textbook was by Van Valkenburg, though it is fairly 
math-heavy and dang! textbooks are expensive these days.

wunder
K6WRU
BSEE Rice University 1981

On Apr 23, 2014, at 10:13 PM, Larry Lopez lawlop...@gmail.com wrote:

 Some of the wider filters in that paper are pretty good.
 The narrowest filters are not so good.
 The flat part of the passband has constant group delay.
 The skirts are awful
 
 For narrow filters it starts going weird.
 
 Larry Lopez [via Elecraft] wrote:
 It turns out that the Elecraft 2.7 KHz 5 pole filter is the winner
 according to:
 
 http://www.qsl.net/gm3woj/k3filtertestssn2203.pdf
 
 which makes me want to make my own filter.
 Still, I'm going to keep the 400Hz 8 pole filter which
 is coming with my S/N 27xx Elecraft Radio !!!
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] What crystal filters for the K3 are linear phase delay (constant group delay) ?

2014-04-23 Thread Jim Brown

On 4/23/2014 10:13 PM, Larry Lopez wrote:

Some of the wider filters in that paper are pretty good.
The narrowest filters are not so good.
The flat part of the passband has constant group delay.
The skirts are awful


Nothing at all surprising. In general, phase distortion (group delay) 
goes along with variation in amplitude response, steeper skirts results 
in more phase distortion in the passband. That means it's greatest with 
steep filter skirts, AND extends within the passband from the filter 
skirts. DSP signal processing is a simulation of analog circuits -- when 
you do filtering in DSP, it's a simulation of an analog filter, and it's 
far easier to build a filter in DSP with low phase distortion than it is 
with physical components.


In general, when phase shift is an issue, we want to use DSP for the 
narrow filtering and fairly wide analog filters (the crystal roofing 
filters) to protect the DSP from overload. And when phase shift is an 
issue, wider bandwidth is better.


The current wisdom from those who get it is to use a 400 Hz roofer for 
most narrow digital modes (RTTY, JT65) and set DSP for about the same 
bandwidth. K1JT, the Nobel laureate who gave us the WSJT modes, says to 
run the RX broad and let his software do the filtering.


73, Jim K9YC
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