Re: [Elecraft] Some Cool heat sink info.

2014-08-15 Thread Dave B
You can also of course, use a minature 12V fan (CPU cooler type for example) to 
waft some extra air over either the back of an unmodified KX3, or any of the 
after market heatsinks if you need extra cooling, or the environment is 
somewhat warm.

Even a low speed (audiably quiet) fan will have a marked effect for the better, 
for minimal extra 12V current load.   Remember to decouple the motor, else you 
might hear fan related rumble or buzzing sounds in headphones etc.  (I've not 
tried this by the way, just sayin'.)

73.

Dave G0WBX.

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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


 The only time, I have had a resolution to an issue is when a well
 know person from Microham, reported the issue in a much more, how can
 I say, forward way that I do, and it was resolved within a month.

Elecraft is quite responsive (issues a fix) if an issue is serious.
However, I have always received an acknowledgement of requests for
feature/API change when submitted through the developer channels.
That answer has not always been what I wanted to hear and I have a
long list of requests that have either been rejected or are on the
low priority list (in other words, not likely in my lifetime).

Others are correct, the Elecraft development staff is small.  That
means, of necessity, a large percentage of their time must be devoted
to work on new products with the majority of support for existing
products reserved for issues that cause equipment failure (e.g., the
input queue overflow).

On the other hand, when it comes to issues that cause improper
operation, Elecraft is orders of magnitude more responsive than some
logging software developers who do things that cause crashes (like
fast polling during transmit).

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-08-15 12:40 AM, Tom Blahovici wrote:

Ok, now I am going to be the “squeaky wheel”.
I am the author of Win4K3Suite.  With a customer base of a few hundred users (not 
one or two users) I have numerous times reported bugs and deficiencies in the 
Elecraft API through the elecraft support channels as well as directly to Wayne and 
have never had the decency of getting a reply. Support replies and tells me “It was 
forwarded to Wayne

Not even “we are aware and this is in a future release”.

This has been very frustrating and my response to my customers has been “I told 
them about it and haven’t heard anything”.  For a company that provides such a 
comprehensive API and support, to totally ignore comments from people who use 
their API as extensively as I do, is very unprofessional and very frustrating.

The only time, I have had a resolution to an issue is when a well know person 
from Microham, reported the issue in a much more, how can I say, forward way 
that I do, and it was resolved within a month.
The fact is that Elecraft has an API and encourages developers to develop 
products.  But somehow, it seems to me if the products do not match their 
“vision” on what the radio should be they are ignored.  That has been the case 
for me.
Here is something important: I have about 20 users that bought the radio 
because of my software. It hides the complexities and makes it very easy to 
use.  Is this against the Elecraft wishes for their radio?  I have to think so 
since I have 4 times requested to have my software listed on the Elecraft 
Website, under third party software and even Eric asked me to send a blurb but 
I never got a response at all.  4 times over 1 and 1/2 years.
So, unless many users ask for something on the forum, the priority is low.  If 
a developer who has a few hundred users asks for something in a nice way, 
several times, it’s ignored.  So is this the future of Elecrafts third party 
support?  Does my name have to be J** to get something done?
This is extremely frustrating, and I have a couple of hundred people that want 
a few things to be done but all I can tell them “I asked but never heard 
ANYTHING”.  So, maybe it’s time to be a “squeaky wheel” like now.
Tom Blahovici VA2FSQ
Win4K3Suite.

On Aug 14, 2014, at 8:08 PM, Sam Morgan k5oai@gmail.com wrote:


my previous reply was the short answer, here is the long answer:

reference:
http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft@mailman.qth.net/msg171471.html

to quote Wayne from 7/10/2014 7:55 PM

quote
Hi all,

Our firmware task lists are sorted by priority. Determination of Priority is 
democratic to some degree (Squeaky Wheel and other industry standard 
methodologies). But in practice it involves crystal-ball-gazing, head-counting, 
arm-wrestling-over-a-beer, and a healthy dose of what-we-have-time-for.

It is not practical for us to publish the lists. They change daily and contain 
a lot of firmware-speak. We'd rather spend time actually making changes than on 
sanitizing lists for public consumption.

This is also the reason that we can't make announcements of the form We will not 
ever get to feature X. (Imagine trying to do that with your personal Home Repair 
task list. Would your spouse let you unilaterally decide to remove some of them?) We'd 
rather be optimistic about it, since you never know when one of our overworked engineers 
is going to get some unexpected free time.

The most useful guidance I can give you is this. If only one or two users are affected by 
a particular change, it is less likely to be implemented in the near future. If nearly 
all users are affected, it darn well better be fixed instantly. Everything else is in a 
sort of gray zone (see Determination of Priority, above).

I take responsibility for any muttered oaths against Elecraft pertaining to 
implementation 

Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread Slava Baytalskiy
And that's why people came with Open Source concept.
Historically, proprietary platforms have been eliminated or converted to either 
completely Open Source or partially, similar to what Apple did:
the platform is semi-open in the sense that nothing goes to Production without 
their validation and approval.
I believe this model could work very nicely for Elecraft.
Publish the bare-bones design and have the community take a stab at it.
You could still maintain the basic approach and have some immutable things in 
there, that we can't change.
But majority of these requests are outside of the basic design.
Such model allows a company to maintain a relatively small support staff but 
still be out there as far as usability and community support.

Just my .02c
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On Aug 15, 2014, at 9:04 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote:

 
  The only time, I have had a resolution to an issue is when a well
  know person from Microham, reported the issue in a much more, how can
  I say, forward way that I do, and it was resolved within a month.
 
 Elecraft is quite responsive (issues a fix) if an issue is serious.
 However, I have always received an acknowledgement of requests for
 feature/API change when submitted through the developer channels.
 That answer has not always been what I wanted to hear and I have a
 long list of requests that have either been rejected or are on the
 low priority list (in other words, not likely in my lifetime).
 
 Others are correct, the Elecraft development staff is small.  That
 means, of necessity, a large percentage of their time must be devoted
 to work on new products with the majority of support for existing
 products reserved for issues that cause equipment failure (e.g., the
 input queue overflow).
 
 On the other hand, when it comes to issues that cause improper
 operation, Elecraft is orders of magnitude more responsive than some
 logging software developers who do things that cause crashes (like
 fast polling during transmit).
 
 73,
 
   ... Joe, W4TV
 
 
 On 2014-08-15 12:40 AM, Tom Blahovici wrote:
 Ok, now I am going to be the “squeaky wheel”.
 I am the author of Win4K3Suite.  With a customer base of a few hundred users 
 (not one or two users) I have numerous times reported bugs and deficiencies 
 in the Elecraft API through the elecraft support channels as well as 
 directly to Wayne and have never had the decency of getting a reply. Support 
 replies and tells me “It was forwarded to Wayne
 
 Not even “we are aware and this is in a future release”.
 
 This has been very frustrating and my response to my customers has been “I 
 told them about it and haven’t heard anything”.  For a company that provides 
 such a comprehensive API and support, to totally ignore comments from people 
 who use their API as extensively as I do, is very unprofessional and very 
 frustrating.
 
 The only time, I have had a resolution to an issue is when a well know 
 person from Microham, reported the issue in a much more, how can I say, 
 forward way that I do, and it was resolved within a month.
 The fact is that Elecraft has an API and encourages developers to develop 
 products.  But somehow, it seems to me if the products do not match their 
 “vision” on what the radio should be they are ignored.  That has been the 
 case for me.
 Here is something important: I have about 20 users that bought the radio 
 because of my software. It hides the complexities and makes it very easy to 
 use.  Is this against the Elecraft wishes for their radio?  I have to think 
 so since I have 4 times requested to have my software listed on the Elecraft 
 Website, under third party software and even Eric asked me to send a blurb 
 but I never got a response at all.  4 times over 1 and 1/2 years.
 So, unless many users ask for something on the forum, the priority is low.  
 If a developer who has a few hundred users asks for something in a nice way, 
 several times, it’s ignored.  So is this the future of Elecrafts third party 
 support?  Does my name have to be J** to get something done?
 This is extremely frustrating, and I have a couple of hundred people that 
 want a few things to be done but all I can tell them “I asked but never 
 heard ANYTHING”.  So, maybe it’s time to be a “squeaky wheel” like now.
 Tom Blahovici VA2FSQ
 Win4K3Suite.
 
 On Aug 14, 2014, at 8:08 PM, Sam Morgan k5oai@gmail.com wrote:
 
 my previous reply was the short answer, here is the long answer:
 
 reference:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft@mailman.qth.net/msg171471.html
 
 to quote Wayne from 7/10/2014 7:55 PM
 
 quote
 Hi all,
 
 Our firmware task lists are sorted by priority. Determination of Priority 
 is democratic to some degree (Squeaky Wheel and other industry standard 
 methodologies). But in practice it involves crystal-ball-gazing, 
 head-counting, arm-wrestling-over-a-beer, and a healthy dose of 
 what-we-have-time-for.
 
 It is not practical for us to 

Re: [Elecraft] New Linux user - USB questions

2014-08-15 Thread Slava Baytalskiy
Using Wine is not really Linux. Wine is the Windows emulator for Linux and like 
all emulators (mostly) it has issues with hardware.
Because its an abstraction layer between the OS and the target device.
Why don't you just use Linux natively?
There are programs that run on Linux, although not as many as there are for 
windows.
After much trouble and frustration i decided to just run Windows 7 in Parallels 
on my MacBook Pro.
I use HRD and a few other things and i have to run Windows, but i refuse to 
have an actual PC at home.
Been a mac user for a decade.

If you must have Linux for some reason you're much better off running Windows 
inside of it (VMWare or VirtualBox). Wine is a fairly poor performer for 
hardware-based stuff.
It works ok for MS Office and such but not for this.
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On Aug 13, 2014, at 5:50 AM, Joel Black w4...@charter.net wrote:

 Bill,
 
 Look up creating sym links for Linux. That's short for symbolic links and 
 is basically a shortcut for a Linux (or OS X) machine. I run OS X and the 
 directory structure is a tad different so I'm not quite sure how to do it on 
 Linux.
 
 73,
 Joel - W4JBB
 
 On 8/12/14, 8:47 PM, NZ0T wrote:
 I am trying to learn about Linux using the Zorin OS 9 version of Ubuntu.  My
 goal is to replace Win7 on my old desktop I use in the shack but I need to
 make sure that everything works.  I have Zorin working great on my Acer
 netbook which is my test bed for Linux.   I have managed to get an older
 version of ACLog working with Wine so objective 1 is satisfied.  I have the
 W2 software working under Wine and I have the W2 and K3 utility versions
 downloaded and installed.  But now I'm hitting a wall getting the FTDI USB
 cable to work for the W2 and the serial to USB Prolific adapter to work for
 the K3.  Can anyone help me with a (hopefully) simple step by step procedure
 that will get these USB connections working?  Until I can get the K3 and W2
 talking to Linux I don't want to make the big change on the old gateway.
 
 73 Bill NZ0T
 
 
 
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[Elecraft] test

2014-08-15 Thread Joe W2KJ
test

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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft
My complaint is that I feel deceived about this product(P3SVGA add-on). 
Looking at the description I am lead to believe that the P3SVGA add-on board
will allow me to view what I am seeing on the P3 on a large external screen. 
That is the way I read the ad.  But this is NOT the case.  I feel kinda
cheated on this product.  The ad needs to be changed to reflect this point. 
The P3SVGA display is NOT a copy of the P3 screen.  I know the digital
decoding is added.  By the way has, for me using a K3 for 6 years, never
worked well enough on weak signals to be beneficial. Whatever happens the NB
is something I'd like to see added and I will lobby for it as much as I can. 
Hoping someday to see this added.

73,

Keith



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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread Phil Wheeler
Are you complaining because you see *more* info on 
the SVGA than on the P3?  Or is this your NB issue?


Has the NB on the P3 gone beyond the beta stage? 
If not it cannot be advertised at all.  Anyway, I 
seldom use it with the P3.


Phil W7OX

On 8/15/14, 7:24 AM, XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft wrote:

My complaint is that I feel deceived about this product(P3SVGA add-on).
Looking at the description I am lead to believe that the P3SVGA add-on board
will allow me to view what I am seeing on the P3 on a large external screen.
That is the way I read the ad.  But this is NOT the case.  I feel kinda
cheated on this product.  The ad needs to be changed to reflect this point.
The P3SVGA display is NOT a copy of the P3 screen.  I know the digital
decoding is added.  By the way has, for me using a K3 for 6 years, never
worked well enough on weak signals to be beneficial. Whatever happens the NB
is something I'd like to see added and I will lobby for it as much as I can.
Hoping someday to see this added.

73,

Keith


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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft
I am saying I see signals on the P3 with the NB on that I can not see on the
P3SVGA screen.

Keith



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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


 Has the NB on the P3 gone beyond the beta stage?

Yes, it is in production firmware 1.29 although the Owner's Manual
(Rev D) and Programmer's Reference (Rev A4) do not appear to have
been updated to include the feature.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-08-15 10:45 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:

Are you complaining because you see *more* info on the SVGA than on the
P3?  Or is this your NB issue?

Has the NB on the P3 gone beyond the beta stage? If not it cannot be
advertised at all.  Anyway, I seldom use it with the P3.

Phil W7OX


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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread Chester Alderman
To me that is just a silly expectation for ANY ham radio manufacturer to
consider. Can you just imagine what a quagmire Elecraft would generate if
they open-sourced their firmware? They would have to stop producing
profitable products just to spend time trying to pull software 'expurts' out
of the trouble they themselves generated.

And once the 'community' turned the firmware into total trash, then you
would expect Elecraft to bail you out

Just my .02c

Tom - W4BQF


-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Slava
Baytalskiy
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 9:14 AM
To: Joe Subich, W4TV
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

And that's why people came with Open Source concept.
Historically, proprietary platforms have been eliminated or converted to
either completely Open Source or partially, similar to what Apple did:
the platform is semi-open in the sense that nothing goes to Production
without their validation and approval.
I believe this model could work very nicely for Elecraft.
Publish the bare-bones design and have the community take a stab at it.
You could still maintain the basic approach and have some immutable things
in there, that we can't change.
But majority of these requests are outside of the basic design.
Such model allows a company to maintain a relatively small support staff but
still be out there as far as usability and community support.

Just my .02c
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On Aug 15, 2014, at 9:04 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote:

 
  The only time, I have had a resolution to an issue is when a well 
  know person from Microham, reported the issue in a much more, how 
  can I say, forward way that I do, and it was resolved within a month.
 
 Elecraft is quite responsive (issues a fix) if an issue is serious.
 However, I have always received an acknowledgement of requests for 
 feature/API change when submitted through the developer channels.
 That answer has not always been what I wanted to hear and I have a 
 long list of requests that have either been rejected or are on the low 
 priority list (in other words, not likely in my lifetime).
 
 Others are correct, the Elecraft development staff is small.  That 
 means, of necessity, a large percentage of their time must be devoted 
 to work on new products with the majority of support for existing 
 products reserved for issues that cause equipment failure (e.g., the 
 input queue overflow).
 
 On the other hand, when it comes to issues that cause improper 
 operation, Elecraft is orders of magnitude more responsive than some 
 logging software developers who do things that cause crashes (like 
 fast polling during transmit).
 
 73,
 
   ... Joe, W4TV
 
 
 On 2014-08-15 12:40 AM, Tom Blahovici wrote:
 Ok, now I am going to be the squeaky wheel.
 I am the author of Win4K3Suite.  With a customer base of a few hundred
users (not one or two users) I have numerous times reported bugs and
deficiencies in the Elecraft API through the elecraft support channels as
well as directly to Wayne and have never had the decency of getting a reply.
Support replies and tells me It was forwarded to Wayne
 
 Not even we are aware and this is in a future release.
 
 This has been very frustrating and my response to my customers has been
I told them about it and haven't heard anything.  For a company that
provides such a comprehensive API and support, to totally ignore comments
from people who use their API as extensively as I do, is very unprofessional
and very frustrating.
 
 The only time, I have had a resolution to an issue is when a well know
person from Microham, reported the issue in a much more, how can I say,
forward way that I do, and it was resolved within a month.
 The fact is that Elecraft has an API and encourages developers to develop
products.  But somehow, it seems to me if the products do not match their
vision on what the radio should be they are ignored.  That has been the
case for me.
 Here is something important: I have about 20 users that bought the radio
because of my software. It hides the complexities and makes it very easy to
use.  Is this against the Elecraft wishes for their radio?  I have to think
so since I have 4 times requested to have my software listed on the Elecraft
Website, under third party software and even Eric asked me to send a blurb
but I never got a response at all.  4 times over 1 and 1/2 years.
 So, unless many users ask for something on the forum, the priority is
low.  If a developer who has a few hundred users asks for something in a
nice way, several times, it's ignored.  So is this the future of Elecrafts
third party support?  Does my name have to be J** to get something done?
 This is extremely frustrating, and I have a couple of hundred people that
want a few things to be done but all I can tell them I asked but never
heard ANYTHING.  So, maybe it's time to be a squeaky wheel like now.

Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread Hisashi T Fujinaka

Well, you just described my day job. We sell hardware (Ethernet
controllers) and the driver I support is open sourced Linux and FreeBSD.
There are also closed-source versions but I only do backup-support on
those.

Yes, it would require more support on Elecraft's end but it wouldn't be
impossible to manage, just hard. There's a lot of repeating, If you
can't reproduce it on the official X version driver, then you're on your
own. But then again there are a lot of bug fixes that other people can
do for you.

I don't blame them for not doing it, but I'm still on the It would be
nice side of this.

Oe Fri, 15 Aug 2014, Chester Alderman wrote:


To me that is just a silly expectation for ANY ham radio manufacturer to
consider. Can you just imagine what a quagmire Elecraft would generate if
they open-sourced their firmware? They would have to stop producing
profitable products just to spend time trying to pull software 'expurts' out
of the trouble they themselves generated.

And once the 'community' turned the firmware into total trash, then you
would expect Elecraft to bail you out


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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread Jim Brown

On 8/15/2014 7:24 AM, XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft wrote:

The ad needs to be changed to reflect this point.
The P3SVGA display is NOT a copy of the P3 screen.  I know the digital
decoding is added.  By the way has, for me using a K3 for 6 years, never
worked well enough on weak signals to be beneficial.


It isn't clear whether you mean that the P3SVGA doesn't work well 
displaying weak signals, or that the decoding doesn't work well. First, 
the decoding is done by the K3, and the P3SVGA simply displays it in a 
more user-friendly form.  Second, the SVGA displays a completely 
different FFT with more bins (better resolution), with the same 
frequency and amplitude settings of the P3. The P3SVGA can be set for a 
very long waterfall time, which is quite useful finding holes in 
contests and DX pileups. And both the P3 and P3SVGA are VERY good at 
finding weak signals if set for maximum averaging and fixed tune mode.


I regularly use a P3 to find action on VHF, and I've got an LOTW QSL 
from Iraq because the P3 found him somewhere different from where he was 
spotted. I work CW, SSB, JT65, FSK441, and ISCAT-B on 6M, so I set the 
P3 to monitor from 50.080 to 50.280. This lets me see action on CW and 
SSB when I'm in RX mode of one of the WSJT modes. I've picked up at 
least a dozen grids this season because I saw them on the P3.


73, Jim K9YC



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[Elecraft] [KX3] KX3 Supply Voltage reading low

2014-08-15 Thread Arlen Fletcher

Greetings all!

My KX3 has the set of internal NiMH batteries and currently reads 9.9v while 
idling (I haven’t charged the batteries recently). When I power the KX3 from an 
external 12V SLA battery - which reads 12.2V on my Fluke DMM - the KX3 reports 
10.2V while idling. I might expect the KX3 to report slightly less than 12.2V 
if there is a diode on the supply input (I haven’t checked the schematics), but 
2V seems like a significant difference. I’d welcome any feedback from the list 
on this issue.

Thanks!

73, Arlen - AA7F
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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft
Jim,

You are mixing 2 completely different items.  The decoding of the digital
signals I could care less how that works.  I don't use that function.  I am
saying that on the P3 screen with the NB on I can see weaker signals than I
can see on the P3SVGA screen.  The noise blanker does not work on the P3SVGA
board.  I would like to see the NB function with the P3SVGA screen.  I also
stated that to read the ad for the P3 it reads that I should expect to see
the same screen on the P3SVGA as I see on the P3. Only with higher
resolution.  But that's not true.  Since the NB only works on the P3 the
screens are different.


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[Elecraft] K3 - Using MiC Key (PTT) to Transmit (activate) VOX (NOT Computer)

2014-08-15 Thread KB7WVB
I wish to manually key the transmitter with VOX, and while transmitting have
the VOX activate to LISTEN between words so that I can hear if I double. 

I don't want VOX on all the time to key the transmitter when I sneeze,
someone talks to me, I murmur, phone rings, wife pours hot soup in my lap,
etc. 
  
WHY? 
1To avoid accidently transmitting while listening;  I want to control
transmit (VOX) by pushing my foot pedal turn VOX on. 

A net control/relay has to do 2+ things already, read the list, flip pages,
mark response, record traffic by destination and call sign, etc.

Or to type on a keyboard (I'm a 2 handed typist).  

Pushing the VOX button on/off each time with my little toe is very awkward.


2While transmitting (as net control) I wish the VOX to be active so that I
can take advantage of VOX {to listen between words}. 
VOX when talking switches to listen during the brief pause between words,
and as you breath the amp switches in milliseconds.

You can hear very easily any station that you double with.


I prefer software or K3 Config, but would buy something that would work as
well as the built in VOX in the K3

 

I do appreciate your ideas, that doesn't require wiring the foot pedal into
the panel switch.

 

 

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Using MiC Key (PTT) to Transmit (activate) VOX (NOT Computer)

2014-08-15 Thread Mike Reublin
Is it possible you have confused PTT and VOX? I can't imagine VOX being 
controlled by a foot switch.

73, Mike NF4L

On Aug 15, 2014, at 12:40 PM, KB7WVB kb7...@gmail.com wrote:

 I wish to manually key the transmitter with VOX, and while transmitting have
 the VOX activate to LISTEN between words so that I can hear if I double. 
 
 I don't want VOX on all the time to key the transmitter when I sneeze,
 someone talks to me, I murmur, phone rings, wife pours hot soup in my lap,
 etc. 
 
 WHY? 
 1To avoid accidently transmitting while listening;  I want to control
 transmit (VOX) by pushing my foot pedal turn VOX on. 
 
 A net control/relay has to do 2+ things already, read the list, flip pages,
 mark response, record traffic by destination and call sign, etc.
 
 Or to type on a keyboard (I'm a 2 handed typist).  
 
 Pushing the VOX button on/off each time with my little toe is very awkward.
 
 
 2While transmitting (as net control) I wish the VOX to be active so that I
 can take advantage of VOX {to listen between words}. 
 VOX when talking switches to listen during the brief pause between words,
 and as you breath the amp switches in milliseconds.
 
 You can hear very easily any station that you double with.
 
 
 I prefer software or K3 Config, but would buy something that would work as
 well as the built in VOX in the K3
 
 
 
 I do appreciate your ideas, that doesn't require wiring the foot pedal into
 the panel switch.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread Jim Brown

On 8/15/2014 9:36 AM, XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft wrote:

I am
saying that on the P3 screen with the NB on I can see weaker signals than I
can see on the P3SVGA screen.


http://www.elecraft.com/P3/p3.htm  Scroll down to see a photo of how the 
SVGA compares to the P3 screen.


Repeating my advice -- to see very weak signals, we need to do a lot of 
averaging to get rid of the noise. This is not a blanking function, 
but rather how averaging a spectral display causes random noise to 
cancel itself out, while discrete signals do not. There are separate 
display settings for the SVGA and for the P3. The SVGA settings are 
accessed via the SVGA selection on the Menu.


Also -- the K3 NB is really two NBs, and the one that looks at broadband 
noise DOES work in both the P3 and P3SVGA.


73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] Huntsville Hamfest this weekend.

2014-08-15 Thread Lisa Jones
Looking for some additional volunteers who would be interest in helping 
out that Elecraft booth this weekend.


Eric and LErma are there setting up now and could use some extra help 
this weekend if you are available.


You can email me directly ( l...@elecraft.com) and/or stop by the booth 
at your convenience.


Thank you,

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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft
Jim,

The NB in the P3 is a completely different animal than what is used in the
K3.  It is more of a visual aid and does not need to worry about the audio. 
My understanding of this NB is that if used on the audio all you would hear
is sounds like a typewriter.  The NB in the P3 does an excellent job on the
type of noise it is designed to be applied.  Before you continue I would
suggest you try the NB for the P3.  It is wonderful here at my location. 
All I asked was if there was any news about implementing this NB for the
P3SVGA add-on.  Since I have the P3SVGA board and a nice display I'd like to
see the display without all the extra noise.  I hate how every time someone
makes a comment that they think is negative to Elecraft the person making
the comment is flamed.  Most of the flamers have little idea what's
happening and I wish they'd keep their mouths shut.


Keith



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Re: [Elecraft] KX-3 and satellites

2014-08-15 Thread Edward R Cole

Also my congrats!

I intend to use my KX3-2M and K3 + 432 transverter* for crossband 
duplex satellite operation.  Typically current satellites uplink on 
2m and downlink on 435, so I have added a RFC 2-23 linear amp which 
can provide output up to 30w on 2m to a 7-element yagi which is way 
more than required for satellite operation.  A low-noise preamp is 
used on 435-MHz with a CP x-yagi.


MY az-el satellite rotator requires repair of the control box so not 
QRV for the satellites at present.


The KX3-2M  appears to work well on area repeaters and good on a 
short SSB test.


*L432-28 transverter with synthesized PLL by DEMI; has two frequency 
ranges: 432-434/435-437


73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread Jim Brown

On 8/15/2014 10:14 AM, XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft wrote:

I hate how every time someone
makes a comment that they think is negative to Elecraft the person making
the comment is flamed.


Who is flaming whom?  Certainly not me -- I'm simply trying to help you 
and others get the most from your gear. And I also pointed you and 
others to the Elecraft P3 webpage, which clearly describes and shows 
what the SVGA module does.


73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] FS: KPA100/KAT100 in EC2

2014-08-15 Thread Chris Kantarjiev
Hi all ... it's been a few years since I've made any noise here (and a little 
while since I've been on the air). Life has taken some interesting turns and my 
radio focus has shifted. I bought a K3 a while ago and love it. I'm not ready 
to let go of my K2 (that will probably *never* happen), but the KPA100/KAT100 
combination in EC2 case would be happier in someone else's shack.


It's in excellent shape, works great, comes with the cables and manuals and 
boxes and everything. I'm asking $550 plus shipping. Photos available on request.


VY 73 de chris K6DBG
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Using MiC Key (PTT) to Transmit (activate) VOX (NOT Computer)

2014-08-15 Thread GRANT YOUNGMAN
I think the point is to have VOX inactive until PTT is keyed.  In this mode, 
PTT wouldn’t key the radio, it would simply activate VOX.  If PTT was not 
keyed, the radio would not respond to audio and key the transmitter, even with 
VOX turned on.

Another way to do this of course, would be a switch in the audio path of the 
mic (the reverse of a broadcaster’s “cough” switch).

Interestingly (to some perhaps), my CE-100V works this way with its D-104.  
With PTT not pressed, no DC is applied to the FET preamp in the mic.  So I 
leave the radio in VOX mode, but still have to invoke PTT on the mic for the 
VOX to actually work.  It is actually quite handy — when you’re not going to 
talk for a bit, you can cough, sneeze, yell at the dog, whatever, and the radio 
won’t respond.

Grant NQ5T


On Aug 15, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Mike Reublin n...@nf4l.com wrote:

 Is it possible you have confused PTT and VOX? I can't imagine VOX being 
 controlled by a foot switch.
 
 73, Mike NF4L
 
 On Aug 15, 2014, at 12:40 PM, KB7WVB kb7...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I wish to manually key the transmitter with VOX, and while transmitting have
 the VOX activate to LISTEN between words so that I can hear if I double. 
 
 I don't want VOX on all the time to key the transmitter when I sneeze,
 someone talks to me, I murmur, phone rings, wife pours hot soup in my lap,
 etc. 
 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Using MiC Key (PTT) to Transmit (activate) VOX (NOT Computer)

2014-08-15 Thread iain macdonnell - N6ML
I think it's an interesting idea. It seems it should be feasible to
implement in firmware, but maybe non-trivial.

Thinking outside the box; what if you route the mic signal through the
footswitch instead of PTT? Or maybe through a relay that the
footswitch triggers... and keep VOX on all the time.

73,

~iain / N6ML


On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Mike Reublin n...@nf4l.com wrote:
 Is it possible you have confused PTT and VOX? I can't imagine VOX being 
 controlled by a foot switch.

 73, Mike NF4L

 On Aug 15, 2014, at 12:40 PM, KB7WVB kb7...@gmail.com wrote:

 I wish to manually key the transmitter with VOX, and while transmitting have
 the VOX activate to LISTEN between words so that I can hear if I double.

 I don't want VOX on all the time to key the transmitter when I sneeze,
 someone talks to me, I murmur, phone rings, wife pours hot soup in my lap,
 etc.

 WHY?
 1To avoid accidently transmitting while listening;  I want to control
 transmit (VOX) by pushing my foot pedal turn VOX on.

 A net control/relay has to do 2+ things already, read the list, flip pages,
 mark response, record traffic by destination and call sign, etc.

 Or to type on a keyboard (I'm a 2 handed typist).

 Pushing the VOX button on/off each time with my little toe is very awkward.


 2While transmitting (as net control) I wish the VOX to be active so that I
 can take advantage of VOX {to listen between words}.
 VOX when talking switches to listen during the brief pause between words,
 and as you breath the amp switches in milliseconds.

 You can hear very easily any station that you double with.


 I prefer software or K3 Config, but would buy something that would work as
 well as the built in VOX in the K3



 I do appreciate your ideas, that doesn't require wiring the foot pedal into
 the panel switch.









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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Using MiC Key (PTT) to Transmit (activate) VOX (NOT Computer)

2014-08-15 Thread Don Wilhelm
An alternative if one is using an electret microphone is *not* to apply 
bias from the K3, but to bias the microphone from a 10k resistor fed 
from mic jack pin 6 (to mic jack pin 1).  Put a relay in series with the 
resistor and operate that relay from the foot switch.

The microphone will not respond until the relay closes.
The footswitch would *not* connect to the K3 PTT IN.

This is not normal operation, and the original poster is asking for a 
new function from Elecraft.  I don't think many hams would take 
advantage of a function like that (at least I would not), so the most 
expedient way to implement it is by use of some external device (you can 
have the function now rather than waiting for Elecraft to develop it).


Some microphones already have a section of the internal PTT switch wired 
in series with the mic element, and those could be easily modified by 
disconnecting the PTT function connection to mic plug pin 2 and running 
the K3 in VOX.  In other words, the mic PTT switch closes the AF line 
between the mic element and the plug, so VOX will only work when the PTT 
switch is closed.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/15/2014 1:33 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote:

I think it's an interesting idea. It seems it should be feasible to
implement in firmware, but maybe non-trivial.

Thinking outside the box; what if you route the mic signal through the
footswitch instead of PTT? Or maybe through a relay that the
footswitch triggers... and keep VOX on all the time.




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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft
Jim,

And there is nothing on the P3 webpage that would lead me to believe that
the display on the SVGA screen would differ, other than resolution, than
what is seen on the P3 screen.

Keith



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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV



Also -- the K3 NB is really two NBs, and the one that looks at
broadband noise DOES work in both the P3 and P3SVGA.


Jim, that information is incorrect.  The K3 NB can not possibly have
any impact on the P3 or P3SVGA as the IF pick-off is at the output
of the first mixer - *before* any noise blanker gate.  To confirm this,
examine K3 RF Board 4 of 4 from the June 2010 K3 Schematics package
(on-line) and you will find the IF tap from which the P3 is fed is
connected to pin 1 - the input - of J77 the NB connector which is
*before* any NB action.  In order for the hardware IF to be reflected
in the P3 the P3 would need to be fed from pin 7 of J77 (NB output).

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-08-15 12:56 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 8/15/2014 9:36 AM, XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft wrote:

I am
saying that on the P3 screen with the NB on I can see weaker signals
than I
can see on the P3SVGA screen.


http://www.elecraft.com/P3/p3.htm  Scroll down to see a photo of how the
SVGA compares to the P3 screen.

Repeating my advice -- to see very weak signals, we need to do a lot of
averaging to get rid of the noise. This is not a blanking function,
but rather how averaging a spectral display causes random noise to
cancel itself out, while discrete signals do not. There are separate
display settings for the SVGA and for the P3. The SVGA settings are
accessed via the SVGA selection on the Menu.

Also -- the K3 NB is really two NBs, and the one that looks at broadband
noise DOES work in both the P3 and P3SVGA.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Using MiC Key (PTT) to Transmit (activate) VOX (NOT Computer)

2014-08-15 Thread Richard Ferch
It occurs to me that another option might be to connect the footswitch,
with a pullup resistor to 5VDC, to pin 7 of the ACC connector, and set
CONFIG:TX INH to HI=INH. This should prevent the K3 from transmitting
except when the footswitch was pressed. You might want to wire an SPST
switch in parallel with the footswitch so you could disable the inhibit
function in other modes.

73,
Rich VE3KI

On 8/15/2014 1:33 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote:
 I think it's an interesting idea. It seems it should be feasible to
 implement in firmware, but maybe non-trivial.

 Thinking outside the box; what if you route the mic signal through the
 footswitch instead of PTT? Or maybe through a relay that the
 footswitch triggers... and keep VOX on all the time.




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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread Gerald Manthey
I use Tom ' s software. It is stable and controls the elecraft line like no
other. There are a few issues that he has told us about and did say
elecraft was notified and later I recheck and he did not hear back from
them.
This software should be on the elecraft site. It controls the K-Line as
well as the KX3 and has a terminal window.

I hope this issue gets resolved as the Win4k3suite is outstanding.

Hoping for a fast solution
Gerald - KC6CNN
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[Elecraft] KX3 error message

2014-08-15 Thread Mike Weir
I had the following error message on my KX3..ERR TXG  d=200 after pushing 
the Tune button to see my SWR 
This was my setup at the time..
KX3 on CW, filter setting 300, VOX on, ATU off, Pre on and the band was 20m
Antenna was mobile whip on my car and RG8 coax. 

I had another unusual thing going on as well and that is my SWR was always 
1.4:1 no matter where I was on the 20m even all the way up to the SSB portion. 
Normally the mobile whip never had that bandwidth and nor should it. 

I then swapped out antennas and moved down to two 15 meters and the error was 
no longer there but I still had this odd 1.4:1 SWR across the band. When I got 
home I put my KX3 on a dummy load and no error message. I then put the KX3 on 
my home MFJ 1788 loop antenna and no error message or SWR anomalies. I am not 
sure what was going on and never had that problem in the mobile before. Any 
ideas would be great. 
Mike
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 error message

2014-08-15 Thread Don Wilhelm

Mike,

That sounds suspiciously like you have a problem with the antenna and 
feedline in the mobile installation.
Check everything for good tight connections, especially the connections 
to the vehicle ground.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/15/2014 2:49 PM, Mike Weir wrote:

I had the following error message on my KX3..ERR TXG  d=200 after pushing 
the Tune button to see my SWR
This was my setup at the time..
KX3 on CW, filter setting 300, VOX on, ATU off, Pre on and the band was 20m
Antenna was mobile whip on my car and RG8 coax.

I had another unusual thing going on as well and that is my SWR was always 
1.4:1 no matter where I was on the 20m even all the way up to the SSB portion. 
Normally the mobile whip never had that bandwidth and nor should it.

I then swapped out antennas and moved down to two 15 meters and the error was 
no longer there but I still had this odd 1.4:1 SWR across the band. When I got 
home I put my KX3 on a dummy load and no error message. I then put the KX3 on 
my home MFJ 1788 loop antenna and no error message or SWR anomalies. I am not 
sure what was going on and never had that problem in the mobile before. Any 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread Jim Rogers
I am sorry, I found the P3SVGA add on to be quite adequate.  Perhaps you 
can share your findings of the short fall.


I may be in error, but I believe the P3SVGA is operating on the data 
from the P3 FFT.  I expect a panadapter to display what is impinging my 
antenna, not the result of processing later down the line.  I can see 
signals in respect to noise, and that is what I would want, not signals 
in spite of noise.  But then again, I am old school.


JIm, W4ATK



On 8/15/2014 9:24 AM, XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft wrote:

My complaint is that I feel deceived about this product(P3SVGA add-on).
Looking at the description I am lead to believe that the P3SVGA add-on board
will allow me to view what I am seeing on the P3 on a large external screen.
That is the way I read the ad.  But this is NOT the case.  I feel kinda
cheated on this product.  The ad needs to be changed to reflect this point.
The P3SVGA display is NOT a copy of the P3 screen.  I know the digital
decoding is added.  By the way has, for me using a K3 for 6 years, never
worked well enough on weak signals to be beneficial. Whatever happens the NB
is something I'd like to see added and I will lobby for it as much as I can.
Hoping someday to see this added.

73,

Keith



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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX3 Supply Voltage reading low

2014-08-15 Thread Mark via Elecraft
Re:  …reads 12.2V on my Fluke DMM - the KX3 reports 10.2V while idling.






Arlen,


My first thoughts are that you need to fully charge the battery.  I don’t have 
a lot of experience with lead acid batteries, though.




The input diode (CMS04 if my memory is correct) should only account for about 
0.2v at KX3 receive current levels.  I haven't looked at the schematic for a 
long time, so I can’t remember what else is in the path from the connector to 
where the internal voltage reading is measured, but I seem to recall at least 
one FET (on/off switch) and a current sensor.


The 12.2v is getting pretty close to the no-load fully discharged 1.95v per 
cell, and the 10.2v is pretty close to the 1.75v per cell of a fully discharged 
SLA battery.  At these voltages, the discharge curves are getting pretty steep, 
so the addition of the KX3 receive current could cause the extra drop you are 
seeing. 


Of course the problem could also lie in the power cable, connectors, or even 
inside the SLA battery itself.  A check with a fresh, fully charged SLA battery 
will help isolate the problem.  You will see voltage drop along the cable, even 
with a freshly charged battery, but 2 volts total sounds a bit high.  I just 
pulled out an SLA that I haven’t used for a while, but it has been charged 
recently, and the voltage difference between the battery voltage (no load read 
by a cheap DMM) and the KX3 display (while in receive) was less than 1 volt.


Hope this helps.




Mark
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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft
Another clueless replier...

Have you even tried the NB in the P3 vs the SVGA screen. Obviously not.
Sounds like your ideal radio would have no NB, NR, and heck no AGC.  Just
noise,noise,noise


Keith



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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX3 Supply Voltage reading low

2014-08-15 Thread David Anderson
Arlen,

I wonder if what you are seeing on the display is the internal battery pack 
voltage rather than the external power supply voltage, either are selectable 
from the menu. The internal pack may increase slightly when the load is removed 
if you are running from external batteries.

Sorry if as we say over here if I am teaching my grandmother how to suck eggs 
:-)

73

David Anderson GM4JJJ 

 On 15 Aug 2014, at 17:34, Arlen Fletcher arlenfletc...@mac.com wrote:
 
 
 Greetings all!
 
 My KX3 has the set of internal NiMH batteries and currently reads 9.9v while 
 idling (I haven’t charged the batteries recently). When I power the KX3 from 
 an external 12V SLA battery - which reads 12.2V on my Fluke DMM - the KX3 
 reports 10.2V while idling. I might expect the KX3 to report slightly less 
 than 12.2V if there is a diode on the supply input (I haven’t checked the 
 schematics), but 2V seems like a significant difference. I’d welcome any 
 feedback from the list on this issue.
 
 Thanks!
 
 73, Arlen - AA7F
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Re: [Elecraft] Belt clip for KX3 after you install the 2 or 4 Meter module?

2014-08-15 Thread Fred Jensen
I still have my 12 KE Log-Log Duplex Vector rule, here on the desk, 
and I use it for a few things for which I can't remember the equations 
but I do remember the motions.  Every so much quicker than looking 
functions up in the HP48GX books.  I mourn the final demise of the 
HP41CX.  The case for the rule is long gone.


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
- www.cqp.org

On 8/14/2014 7:45 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

I still have my 12 inch Post slide rule, but I no longer have it on my
belt.
I also have my 5 inch Post, but it is no longer in my shirt pocket.
Those days are gone, but there was a time when they were required
apparel if one was to succeed in engineering school and after.

73,
Don W3FPR



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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread DaleJ
If my memory serves me, I believe Paul announced the NB function would be 
available on the P3/SVGA at a later FW update.  I must go back a few weeks to 
find that posting or perhaps you could do a search.  

I'm in digest mode so hopefully this will get though.

73
Dale, K9VUJ


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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 09:36:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA
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Jim,

You are mixing 2 completely different items.  The decoding of the digital
signals I could care less how that works.  I don't use that function.  I am
saying that on the P3 screen with the NB on I can see weaker signals than I
can see on the P3SVGA screen.  The noise blanker does not work on the P3SVGA
board.  I would like to see the NB function with the P3SVGA screen.  I also
stated that to read the ad for the P3 it reads that I should expect to see
the same screen on the P3SVGA as I see on the P3. Only with higher
resolution.  But that's not true.  Since the NB only works on the P3 the
screens are different.


Keith
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Re: [Elecraft] Belt clip for KX3 after you install the 2 or 4 Meter module?

2014-08-15 Thread Robert Friess
In addition to my 12 and 5 inch Post slide rules, I have my Dad's KE.

Bob


On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net wrote:

 I still have my 12 KE Log-Log Duplex Vector rule, here on the desk, and
 I use it for a few things for which I can't remember the equations but I do
 remember the motions.  Every so much quicker than looking functions up in
 the HP48GX books.  I mourn the final demise of the HP41CX.  The case for
 the rule is long gone.

 73,

 Fred K6DGW
 - Northern California Contest Club
 - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
 - www.cqp.org

 On 8/14/2014 7:45 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

 I still have my 12 inch Post slide rule, but I no longer have it on my
 belt.
 I also have my 5 inch Post, but it is no longer in my shirt pocket.
 Those days are gone, but there was a time when they were required
 apparel if one was to succeed in engineering school and after.

 73,
 Don W3FPR



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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread Jim Rogers

Clueless??

1)  The radio is to select a specific signal and provide the tools to 
decode it. It very well could be to determine the source of undesirable 
noise. Those tools include noise blanking, noise reduction, agc, 
selectable filtering, a panadapter,  etc.  Each tool applied as 
appropriate to the conditions.


2)  The panadapter is simply one of those tools to show me the activity 
over a band of frequencies, whatever that activity might be.


Jim, W4ATK
On 8/15/2014 2:50 PM, XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft wrote:

Another clueless replier...

Have you even tried the NB in the P3 vs the SVGA screen. Obviously not.
Sounds like your ideal radio would have no NB, NR, and heck no AGC.  Just
noise,noise,noise


Keith



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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread KQ8M
I agree with Gerald. I have used Win4K3 in place of the HRD rig control 
software. It not only works much much better but also has
shared con ports for other software to also control the K Line. Plus he 
responds to any problem with a much more professional
attitude than others do.

73,
Tim Herrick, KQ8M
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AR-Cluster V6 kq8m.homedns.org
User Ports: 23, 7373  with local skimmer, 7374 without local skimmer
Server Ports: V6 3607, V4 Active 3605, V4 Passive 3606

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gerald 
Manthey
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 2:45 PM
To: Tom Blahovici
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

I use Tom ' s software. It is stable and controls the elecraft line like no 
other. There are a few issues that he has told us about
and did say elecraft was notified and later I recheck and he did not hear back 
from them.
This software should be on the elecraft site. It controls the K-Line as well as 
the KX3 and has a terminal window.

I hope this issue gets resolved as the Win4k3suite is outstanding.

Hoping for a fast solution
Gerald - KC6CNN
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Using MiC Key (PTT) to Transmit (activate) VOX (NOT Computer)

2014-08-15 Thread KB7WVB
I appreciate all of your thoughts.

And the thinking questions, helped to understand what I was trying to do
better.

 

I believe your understanding the problem better than I do.  I'm Good.

 

VOX terrifies me, it can really mess up a net if left on accidently and the
phone rings, we had to move the whole net once when someone's mom called.

I believe a software fix would make this for reaily available, and VOX a
safer feature.

 

I have been working on this for a year, I already have all kinds of gizmos
connected to the K3.

 

With the help of Elecraft support (Keith) and other suggestions also.

 

The Plan is:

Jumper ACC Pin 7 TX INH through a SPDT switch to Pin 4 PTT IN (common with
RCA PTT IN) already connected to Pedal.

Switching ACC Pin 7 to Ground will undo the TX INH.

Set Configure TX INH = HI

I'm going to work through an  E980190 Extra DB15 Y- Cable ($9.95)  (August
2014)
See page; http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm#kpa500

I need to continue to use the Band Output Data for the Switch

It just seems such an easy software fix would ad a useful feature.

This works also.

 

You are all great, I hope this idea, fix, work around is easy to find in the
email reflector archive for the next guy.

 

Thank you.  JJ

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Re: [Elecraft] Slide rules

2014-08-15 Thread Mike Markowski
I have a couple nice bamboo Hemmi slide rules, one even devoted to 
electronics calculations, but my most cherished is a cheap 12 log-log 
plastic Sterling.  My late mom bought it for me from a drug store when I 
was in 8th grade.  It took weeks of begging and groveling till she gave 
me the $6 for it.  Then I'm sure I drove my parents crazy showing how I 
could calculate things.  Geek from day one.  :-)


73,
Mike ab3ap

On 08/15/2014 04:37 PM, Robert Friess wrote:

In addition to my 12 and 5 inch Post slide rules, I have my Dad's KE.[...]

On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net wrote:

I still have my 12 KE Log-Log Duplex Vector rule, here on the desk[...]

On 8/14/2014 7:45 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

I still have my 12 inch Post slide rule[...]

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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread Jim Brown

On 8/15/2014 11:29 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

Jim, that information is incorrect.  The K3 NB can not possibly have
any impact on the P3 or P3SVGA as the IF pick-off is at the output
of the first mixer - *before* any noise blanker gate. 


Joe,

I've never studied the schematic or signal flow in the regard, but I 
often study the screen of my P3, which DOES show reduction of noise when 
the wider NB is active. 2-4 dB is typical for the types of noise for 
which it is effective.


I appreciate the alert to the existence of the P3 NB. I last updated 
firmware about six months ago, and it was not in that version. It does, 
indeed, work pretty well.


73, Jim K9YC


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[Elecraft] Best Reference Book for Win 7 and Win 8.1?

2014-08-15 Thread Jim Brown
I've recently replaced one of my computers with a Win7-64 Pro machine, 
and my XYL's with a Win 8.1 box. There are certain wierdnesses with 
both of these OSs that I'm finding baffling, so I've decided that I must 
RTFM.


I used to do this by grabbing a bunch of such books from the rack at 
Borders or Barnes and Noble, and a cup of coffee, and buy the one (or 
two) whose writing style communicated well with me. Here in Santa Cruz, 
that option is no longer available. Suggestions?


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft
/I appreciate the alert to the existence of the P3 NB. I last updated
firmware about six months ago, and it was not in that version. It does,
indeed, work pretty well/.


*And it would be great if it worked with the P3SVGA but it does nothing on
that screen.
*

Keith



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Re: [Elecraft] Best Reference Book for Win 7 and Win 8.1?

2014-08-15 Thread Matt Zilmer
Here's a start: some articles on Windoze 7 and 8.  A few of them have
links  to reference material you might want to download.

http://www.howtogeek.com/t/windows/

73,
matt W6NIA

On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 14:20:22 -0700, you wrote:

I've recently replaced one of my computers with a Win7-64 Pro machine, 
and my XYL's with a Win 8.1 box. There are certain wierdnesses with 
both of these OSs that I'm finding baffling, so I've decided that I must 
RTFM.

I used to do this by grabbing a bunch of such books from the rack at 
Borders or Barnes and Noble, and a cup of coffee, and buy the one (or 
two) whose writing style communicated well with me. Here in Santa Cruz, 
that option is no longer available. Suggestions?

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread Wayne Burdick
Agreed. This is on the firmware task list for the engineer working on P3 and 
PX3 code.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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 firmware about six months ago, and it was not in that version. It does,
 indeed, work pretty well/.
 
 
 *And it would be great if it worked with the P3SVGA but it does nothing on
 that screen.
 *
 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV



I often study the screen of my P3, which DOES show reduction of noise
when the wider NB is active. 2-4 dB is typical for the types of noise
for which it is effective.


2 - 4 dB may be due to upsetting the impedance at the IF feed but given
the circuit topology it is not possible for the NB to provide effective
blanking to the P3 with the noise gate *after* the IF pick-off point.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-08-15 5:13 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 8/15/2014 11:29 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

Jim, that information is incorrect.  The K3 NB can not possibly have
any impact on the P3 or P3SVGA as the IF pick-off is at the output
of the first mixer - *before* any noise blanker gate.


Joe,

I've never studied the schematic or signal flow in the regard, but I
often study the screen of my P3, which DOES show reduction of noise when
the wider NB is active. 2-4 dB is typical for the types of noise for
which it is effective.

I appreciate the alert to the existence of the P3 NB. I last updated
firmware about six months ago, and it was not in that version. It does,
indeed, work pretty well.

73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft
Since his last release for F/W upgrade to the P3SVGA card was on February
27th, 2013 we should be careful holding our breath on the next release. hihi

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[Elecraft] Slow-scan TV (SSTV) display on the P3 and PX3?

2014-08-15 Thread Wayne Burdick
Hi all,

Is SSTV demodulation/display something we should add to the long term wish-list 
for our panadapters? I hear SSTV signals in the 20-meter SSB segment pretty 
regularly, and I think it would be nice to eavesdrop on the visuals, in living 
color, with all the HF-induced idiosyncrasies. But we won't bother with this if 
I'm the only one who's interested.

If we did consider adding SSTV, we'd need to decide which SSTV format(s) to 
support. If there's just one that's reasonably universal, great. I'm pretty 
sure we'd start with just one, given limited engineering time.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX3 Supply Voltage reading low

2014-08-15 Thread Arlen Fletcher
Hi Mark,

Thanks for the response!

I’m guessing that perhaps you’re considering that the voltage of the SLA is 
sagging when it’s running the KX3. I wondered that too - so I measured across 
the terminals of the SLA while it was powering the KX3. It still measured 
12.2V, so it wasn’t sagging. The battery (and it’s little charger) report it as 
being fully charged - though I’m dubious about the accuracy of the little 
wall-wart charger. :-)

Arlen
AA7F

On Aug 15, 2014, at 11:42 AM, rv6am...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Re:  …reads 12.2V on my Fluke DMM - the KX3 reports 10.2V while idling.
 
 Arlen,
 
 My first thoughts are that you need to fully charge the battery.  I don’t 
 have a lot of experience with lead acid batteries, though.
 
 The input diode (CMS04 if my memory is correct) should only account for about 
 0.2v at KX3 receive current levels.  I haven't looked at the schematic for a 
 long time, so I can’t remember what else is in the path from the connector to 
 where the internal voltage reading is measured, but I seem to recall at least 
 one FET (on/off switch) and a current sensor.
 
 The 12.2v is getting pretty close to the no-load fully discharged 1.95v per 
 cell, and the 10.2v is pretty close to the 1.75v per cell of a fully 
 discharged SLA battery.  At these voltages, the discharge curves are getting 
 pretty steep, so the addition of the KX3 receive current could cause the 
 extra drop you are seeing. 
 
 Of course the problem could also lie in the power cable, connectors, or even 
 inside the SLA battery itself.  A check with a fresh, fully charged SLA 
 battery will help isolate the problem.  You will see voltage drop along the 
 cable, even with a freshly charged battery, but 2 volts total sounds a bit 
 high.  I just pulled out an SLA that I haven’t used for a while, but it has 
 been charged recently, and the voltage difference between the battery voltage 
 (no load read by a cheap DMM) and the KX3 display (while in receive) was less 
 than 1 volt.
 
 Hope this helps.
 
 Mark
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX3 Supply Voltage reading low

2014-08-15 Thread Arlen Fletcher
David,

I wasn’t aware of the ability to choose which supply (internal Vs. external) 
was being reported! Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I’ll bet you’re 
exactly right - that the internal battery voltage rises a bit when external 
power is supplied. I’ll check this out as soon as I get home this evening.

73

Arlen, AA7F

On Aug 15, 2014, at 12:53 PM, David Anderson gm4...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Arlen,
 
 I wonder if what you are seeing on the display is the internal battery pack 
 voltage rather than the external power supply voltage, either are selectable 
 from the menu. The internal pack may increase slightly when the load is 
 removed if you are running from external batteries.
 
 Sorry if as we say over here if I am teaching my grandmother how to suck 
 eggs :-)
 
 73
 
 David Anderson GM4JJJ 
 
 On 15 Aug 2014, at 17:34, Arlen Fletcher arlenfletc...@mac.com wrote:
 
 
 Greetings all!
 
 My KX3 has the set of internal NiMH batteries and currently reads 9.9v while 
 idling (I haven’t charged the batteries recently). When I power the KX3 from 
 an external 12V SLA battery - which reads 12.2V on my Fluke DMM - the KX3 
 reports 10.2V while idling. I might expect the KX3 to report slightly less 
 than 12.2V if there is a diode on the supply input (I haven’t checked the 
 schematics), but 2V seems like a significant difference. I’d welcome any 
 feedback from the list on this issue.
 
 Thanks!
 
 73, Arlen - AA7F
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Re: [Elecraft] Slow-scan TV (SSTV) display on the P3 and PX3?

2014-08-15 Thread Wes (N7WS)
Perhaps it's different people involved in programming, but I would like to see 
instead of this, some effort put into making the K3 memories actually remember 
and recall what was input to them.


Wes  N7WS



On 8/15/2014 2:56 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Hi all,

Is SSTV demodulation/display something we should add to the long term wish-list 
for our panadapters? I hear SSTV signals in the 20-meter SSB segment pretty 
regularly, and I think it would be nice to eavesdrop on the visuals, in living 
color, with all the HF-induced idiosyncrasies. But we won't bother with this if 
I'm the only one who's interested.

If we did consider adding SSTV, we'd need to decide which SSTV format(s) to 
support. If there's just one that's reasonably universal, great. I'm pretty 
sure we'd start with just one, given limited engineering time.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Using Mike Key (PTT) to Transmit with VOX

2014-08-15 Thread JJ
CLOSURE

I appreciate all of your thoughts.

And the thinking questions, helped to understand what I was trying to do
better.

 I believe your understanding the problem better than I do.  I'm Good.

VOX terrifies me, it can really mess up a net if left on accidently and the
phone rings, we had to move the whole net once when someone's mom called.

I believe a software fix would make this for reaily available, and VOX a
safer feature.

I have been working on this for a year, I already have all kinds of gizmos
connected to the K3.

With the help of Elecraft support (Keith) and other suggestions also.
The Plan is:
Jumper ACC Pin 7 TX INH through a SPDT switch to Pin 4 PTT IN (common with
RCA PTT IN) already connected to Pedal.

Switching ACC Pin 7 to Ground will undo the TX INH.
Set Configure TX INH = HI

I'm going to work through an  E980190 Extra DB15 Y- Cable ($9.95)  (August
2014)
See page; http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm#kpa500

I need to continue to use the Band Output Data for the Switch

It just seems such an easy software fix would ad a useful feature.

This works also.

You are all great, I hope this idea, fix, work around is easy to find in the
email reflector archive for the next guy.


Thank you.  JJ


AGAIN IN A NUTSHELL

I wish to manually key the transmitter with VOX, and while transmitting have
the VOX activate to LISTEN between words so that I can hear if I double. 
I don't want VOX on all the time to key the transmitter when I sneeze,
someone talks to me, I murmur, phone rings, wife pours hot soup in my lap,
etc. 
  
WHY? 
1To avoid accidentally transmitting while listening;  I want to control
transmit (VOX) by pushing my foot pedal turn VOX on. 
A net control/relay has to do 2+ things already, read the list, flip pages,
mark response, record traffic by destination and call sign, etc.
Or to type on a keyboard (I'm a 2 handed typist).  
Pushing the VOX button on/off each time with my little toe is very awkward.

2While transmitting (as net control) I wish the VOX to be active so that I
can take advantage of VOX {to listen between words}. 
VOX when talking switches to listen during the brief pause between words,
and as you breath the amp switches in milliseconds.
You can hear very easily any station that you double with.




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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA

2014-08-15 Thread Sam Morgan
With the exception of figuring out how to deal the 'web cam' or 'capture 
card' needed to view the P3, I have been seriously considering Win4K3.


Unfortunately now that I know the 'Mothership' is resistant to working 
with Tom, I will wait until I hear that has changed before I take the leap.


Sorry Tom, please let us know if that changes. :-(

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On 8/15/2014 4:03 PM, KQ8M wrote:

I agree with Gerald. I have used Win4K3 in place of the HRD rig control 
software. It not only works much much better but also has
shared con ports for other software to also control the K Line. Plus he 
responds to any problem with a much more professional
attitude than others do.

73,
Tim Herrick, KQ8M
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snip


On Friday, August 15, 2014 2:45 PM, KC6CNN wrote:
I use Tom ' s software. It is stable and controls the elecraft line like no 
other. There are a few issues that he has told us about
and did say elecraft was notified and later I recheck and he did not hear back 
from them.
This software should be on the elecraft site. It controls the K-Line as well as 
the KX3 and has a terminal window.

I hope this issue gets resolved as the Win4k3suite is outstanding.

Hoping for a fast solution
Gerald - KC6CNN



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Re: [Elecraft] Slow-scan TV (SSTV) display on the P3 and PX3?

2014-08-15 Thread Jeff Stai
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote:

 Is SSTV demodulation/display something we should add to the long term
 wish-list for our panadapters?


hi Wayne - If you were to do decoding/processing like that, I'd much rather
see an extended form of RTTY decode. The decode on the K3 front panel is
cool for computer-less work, but as soon as you have a computer it becomes
less useful.

This is from a serious contesting perspective. When I'm running I'm using
several screens to pull out marginal signals. Those screens buffer the
decoded text long enough for me to look at all of them and make a decision
about what is correct. By this time the small display on the K3 has
scrolled away.

If on the other hand you had an overlay of text** on the P3 display I now
have it buffered long enough to add it to my decision path as another set
of data from a decoder that has different characteristics than my other
decoders (MMTTY, 2Tone, hardware modems, etc.)

A feature like this would seem to have a broader audience than for SSTV,
but perhaps I'm partial...;)

** I would overlay the display with white text over the color waterfall so
that I can still see waterfall history behind the text. I want it all.

thanks and 73 jeff wk6i


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Re: [Elecraft] Slow-scan TV (SSTV) display on the P3 and PX3?

2014-08-15 Thread XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft
I would like to see the NB added to the P3SVGA first.


Keith



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Re: [Elecraft] Slow-scan TV (SSTV) display on the P3 and PX3?

2014-08-15 Thread Fred Jensen

On 8/15/2014 2:56 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Hi all,

Is SSTV demodulation/display something we should add to the long term
wish-list for our panadapters? I hear SSTV signals in the 20-meter
SSB segment pretty regularly, and I think it would be nice to
eavesdrop on the visuals, in living color, with all the HF-induced
idiosyncrasies. But we won't bother with this if I'm the only one
who's interested.


You might try MMSSTV or MixW and just monitor 14230 for awhile before 
putting any engineering effort into it.  I let MixW run on 14230 all one 
weekend and then went back and looked at some of the images [MixW saves 
all received images].  A surprising number [like half] were unanswered 
CQ's with pictures of scantily clad women.  I haven't checked it in a 
number of years.


There are some digital SSTV signals starting around 14233 or so ... I 
don't know anything about them.


If we did consider adding SSTV, we'd need to decide which SSTV
format(s) to support. If there's just one that's reasonably
universal, great. I'm pretty sure we'd start with just one, given
limited engineering time.


There's a half dozen or more analog modes, most of what I decoded was 
one of the Scottie's [there are several].  I suspect that, to be 
attractive, your software would need to decode the digital burst at the 
beginning and auto-select the mode like MixW does.


We all get to use whatever modes we want ... personally, I was bored by 
SSTV and haven't looked at it in years.  YMMV however.


73,

Fred K6DGW
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Re: [Elecraft] Slow-scan TV (SSTV) display on the P3 and PX3?

2014-08-15 Thread XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft
How about being one of the first to implement FreeDV?


Keith



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Re: [Elecraft] Slow-scan TV (SSTV) display on the P3 and PX3?

2014-08-15 Thread Gary Gregory
Whatever happened to the RF Sensor?

Gary
Vk1ZZ
K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3.
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 How about being one of the first to implement FreeDV?


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Re: [Elecraft] Slow-scan TV (SSTV) display on the P3 and PX3?

2014-08-15 Thread Fred Jensen
The capability to see my transmitted signal would be really great, much 
more useful than SSTV, at least for me.  Probably very hard to do with 
the PX3.  Probably also harder than many think with a K-Line because you 
want to see what's heading up the coax, not something from inside the 
K3.  But it would be a cool addition for me.


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
- www.cqp.org

On 8/15/2014 2:56 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Hi all,

Is SSTV demodulation/display something we should add to the long term
wish-list for our panadapters? I hear SSTV signals in the 20-meter
SSB segment pretty regularly, and I think it would be nice to
eavesdrop on the visuals, in living color, with all the HF-induced
idiosyncrasies. But we won't bother with this if I'm the only one
who's interested.


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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX3 Supply Voltage reading low

2014-08-15 Thread Don Wilhelm

Arlen,

As far as I know, there is no selection for observing the battery 
voltage vs. the external voltage.  The displayed voltage should be the 
higher of the internal batteries or the external batteries. There is a 
diode drop, so expect a reduction of 0.3 volts from the measurement at 
the battery.


I suspect that the battery charger is dragging down the voltage from 
your SLA battery (inside the KX3).
As another guess, the cable from the battery to the KX3 may be suffering 
from poor connections that are causing a significant voltage drop by the 
time the voltage reaches the KX3.  It would be nice (and informative) to 
measure the voltage at the K3 end of the power cable with your DMM (with 
the KX3 turned on).


Is this an older KX3 or a relatively new one?  The reason I ask is 
because the early KX3s did not glue the power connector to the PC board 
and could cause a separation of the connector voltage to the KX3 board.  
That can also result in a high resistance where the connector is 
soldered to the board (and produce a significant voltage drop.


I would suggest that you remove one or more of the batteries and see 
what the voltage reading from the external battery may be.  That will 
eliminate any concern that the voltage of the internal batteries is 
'dragging down' the voltage from the external supply.


I would also recommend that you use an external 13.8 volt supply rated 
at 5 or 6 amps if you can to see what the voltage reading results might 
be.  A fully charged SLA battery showing 12.2 volts open circuit is not 
fully charged, and the internal resistance of the partially discharged 
battery may be giving you confusing measurements.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/15/2014 6:12 PM, Arlen Fletcher wrote:

David,

I wasn’t aware of the ability to choose which supply (internal Vs. external) 
was being reported! Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I’ll bet you’re 
exactly right - that the internal battery voltage rises a bit when external 
power is supplied. I’ll check this out as soon as I get home this evening.




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Re: [Elecraft] Slow-scan TV (SSTV) display on the P3 and PX3?

2014-08-15 Thread Mike Reublin
I'd rather see the long ago promised enhancement to separate VOX in SSB from 
VOX in Data modes.

73, Mike NF4L
 
On Aug 15, 2014, at 7:21 PM, Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net wrote:

 The capability to see my transmitted signal would be really great, much more 
 useful than SSTV, at least for me.  Probably very hard to do with the PX3.  
 Probably also harder than many think with a K-Line because you want to see 
 what's heading up the coax, not something from inside the K3.  But it would 
 be a cool addition for me.
 
 73,
 
 Fred K6DGW
 - Northern California Contest Club
 - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
 - www.cqp.org
 
 On 8/15/2014 2:56 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 Is SSTV demodulation/display something we should add to the long term
 wish-list for our panadapters? I hear SSTV signals in the 20-meter
 SSB segment pretty regularly, and I think it would be nice to
 eavesdrop on the visuals, in living color, with all the HF-induced
 idiosyncrasies. But we won't bother with this if I'm the only one
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[Elecraft] No thanks to SSTV on P3, let's get back on track.

2014-08-15 Thread Bruce Beford

Agreed. Never mind SSTV. Let's focus on useful stuiff.
I also (and many others, I am sure) would like to see this developed.
Getting transmit monitoring via an external sensor would greatly enhance the
P3's usefulness. Many of us have been waiting for this (patiently) for YEARS
now.

Bruce, N1RX

 Whatever happened to the RF Sensor?



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Re: [Elecraft] Slow-scan TV (SSTV) display on the P3 and PX3?

2014-08-15 Thread Nr4c
Is like to see this, but
I'd rather not have work on other updates like something to put in the Sensor 
hole in my P3 and others. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


 On Aug 15, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Is SSTV demodulation/display something we should add to the long term 
 wish-list for our panadapters? I hear SSTV signals in the 20-meter SSB 
 segment pretty regularly, and I think it would be nice to eavesdrop on the 
 visuals, in living color, with all the HF-induced idiosyncrasies. But we 
 won't bother with this if I'm the only one who's interested.
 
 If we did consider adding SSTV, we'd need to decide which SSTV format(s) to 
 support. If there's just one that's reasonably universal, great. I'm pretty 
 sure we'd start with just one, given limited engineering time.
 
 73,
 Wayne
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Re: [Elecraft] Slow-scan TV (SSTV) display on the P3 and PX3?

2014-08-15 Thread Wayne Burdick
In the works as we speak.

Wayne


Gary Gregory vk1zzg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Whatever happened to the RF Sensor?
 
 Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] Slow-scan TV (SSTV) display on the P3 and PX3?

2014-08-15 Thread Gary Gregory
Wayne,

Whew, hope it's not too far away.

Thanks for the news.

Gary


On 16 August 2014 10:02, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote:

 In the works as we speak.

 Wayne


 Gary Gregory vk1zzg...@gmail.com wrote:

  Whatever happened to the RF Sensor?
 
  Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX3 Supply Voltage reading low

2014-08-15 Thread Don Wilhelm

Arlen,

I just measured the terminal voltage of several SLA and AGM batteries.  
After not being charged for over a week, they all measured in excess of 
13 volts.  So my conclusion is that your wall-wart charger is not fully 
charging your battery.
A normal float charge for an SLA battery should be at 13.8 volts - and 
even that is not perfect because the best charging voltage varies with 
temperature.  A good 3 stage charger designed for charging SLA batteries 
is the best to use, and those are a bit more expensive than the 
wall-wart chargers, but worthwhile if you consider the life of your 
SLA batteries important.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/15/2014 6:03 PM, Arlen Fletcher wrote:

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the response!

I’m guessing that perhaps you’re considering that the voltage of the SLA is 
sagging when it’s running the KX3. I wondered that too - so I measured across 
the terminals of the SLA while it was powering the KX3. It still measured 
12.2V, so it wasn’t sagging. The battery (and it’s little charger) report it as 
being fully charged - though I’m dubious about the accuracy of the little 
wall-wart charger. :-)

Arlen
AA7F

On Aug 15, 2014, at 11:42 AM, rv6am...@yahoo.com wrote:


Re:  …reads 12.2V on my Fluke DMM - the KX3 reports 10.2V while idling.

Arlen,

My first thoughts are that you need to fully charge the battery.  I don’t have 
a lot of experience with lead acid batteries, though.

The input diode (CMS04 if my memory is correct) should only account for about 
0.2v at KX3 receive current levels.  I haven't looked at the schematic for a 
long time, so I can’t remember what else is in the path from the connector to 
where the internal voltage reading is measured, but I seem to recall at least 
one FET (on/off switch) and a current sensor.

The 12.2v is getting pretty close to the no-load fully discharged 1.95v per 
cell, and the 10.2v is pretty close to the 1.75v per cell of a fully discharged 
SLA battery.  At these voltages, the discharge curves are getting pretty steep, 
so the addition of the KX3 receive current could cause the extra drop you are 
seeing.

Of course the problem could also lie in the power cable, connectors, or even 
inside the SLA battery itself.  A check with a fresh, fully charged SLA battery 
will help isolate the problem.  You will see voltage drop along the cable, even 
with a freshly charged battery, but 2 volts total sounds a bit high.  I just 
pulled out an SLA that I haven’t used for a while, but it has been charged 
recently, and the voltage difference between the battery voltage (no load read 
by a cheap DMM) and the KX3 display (while in receive) was less than 1 volt.

Hope this helps.

Mark
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Re: [Elecraft] Best Reference Book for Win 7 and Win 8.1?

2014-08-15 Thread Al Gulseth
Microsoft has some on-line info and tutorials at windows.microsoft.com which 
might be of help (try the how-to section.) If you need more in-depth info 
MS Technet is a resource we tecchies sometimes go to. (Scroll down to 
the Info for section and click on IT professionals to get to Technet. A 
search of the Technet forums will sometimes yield good info.) 

Otherwise, you could use the technique I've developed over a number of years 
spent fighting with computers running Microsoft products:

1) Bang head against a concrete wall until head is bloody and throbbing with 
pain.
2) Repeat as needed.

(/sarc off)

Hope this helps. 73, Al
 
On Fri August 15 2014 4:20:22 pm Jim Brown wrote:
 I've recently replaced one of my computers with a Win7-64 Pro machine,
 and my XYL's with a Win 8.1 box. There are certain wierdnesses with
 both of these OSs that I'm finding baffling, so I've decided that I must
 RTFM.

 I used to do this by grabbing a bunch of such books from the rack at
 Borders or Barnes and Noble, and a cup of coffee, and buy the one (or
 two) whose writing style communicated well with me. Here in Santa Cruz,
 that option is no longer available. Suggestions?

 73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] New KX3 field-test firmware available:

2014-08-15 Thread Wayne Burdick
I'm looking for volunteers to test the latest KX3 field-test revision. It 
includes the following changes:

* CW-IN-SSB-MODE IMPROVEMENT: The operator’s specified CW QSK delay is now used 
during CW-in-SSB-mode, even with *external* CW keying. (This was already 
working with the internal keyer.)

* 2-M DIRECT FREQUENCY ENTRY FROM OTHER BANDS: Range is 120-168 MHz. Note: 
Sensitivity falls off as you move out of the 144-148 MHz range.

* INCREASE IN ALLOWED TX CURRENT: Allows full-power output on some bands where 
previously a drop to 5 watts had been observed (with an external 12-14 V 
supply). This corrects a problem observed by a customer using rev. 2.12 on 12 
meters. We had in fact set the TX current limit too low.

If you're interested in giving this release a try, please email me directly. 
I'll take the first 20 or so, depending on when I get the dinner call.

Wayne
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[Elecraft] 2014 NJQRP Skeeter Hunt Log Summaries

2014-08-15 Thread Larry Makoski
So far, I have received Skeeter summaries from the following:

WD4EXI
N4EWT
W3ATB
WA1GWH
K4ARQ
NA3V
WD8RIF
WB8ENE
N0YET
N2JJF
KB1PBA
K1SWL
K4YND
KQ2RP
K0ALN
WA4PIG
K0RGI
VE3XT
K2ULR
N4KGL
WA8REI
AD4S
K4UPG
WI2W
N1LT
W1PID
K2WO
K2AL
WB3GCK
WH6LE
WD4MSM
NQ2W
K2TD
AB4QL
N1ABS
AI4SV
W3BBO
K3RLL
AB9CA
WV0H
K7TQ
W4MPS
WA0ITP
N0SS
KX0R

If you don't see your call there, I need to hear from you! Remember, log 
summaries are due NO LATER than 12:00 Midnight Saturday August 23/Sunday August 
24.  At that time, results are frozen and we will go with what has been 
received. Summaries follow this fictional example:

Larry - W2LJ - NJ
Skeeter #4 - All CW
Skeeter QSOs - 23
Non-Skeeter QSOs - 5
DX QSOs - (if any)
S/P/Cs - 18
Station Class Multiplier X4
SKEETER Bonus - 100 points (and here is where you would list the callsigns of 
the stations you worked that qualify you for the bonus points),

I'm trying to keep current with this and am composing the Sopabox now so I can 
post the results as quickly as I can after next weekend.

Thanks!

73 de Larry W2LJ
Skeeter #13


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 field-test firmware rev. 2.15

2014-08-15 Thread Wayne Burdick
Just a note: I forgot to edit the KX3 reflector reference out of one of the 
email addresses, so my email to all of you went to the reflector as well. No 
big deal, but you might respond to *this* email instead if you have comments. 
This will reduce traffic on the reflector.

tnx
Wayne
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[Elecraft] Lots of RTTY signals on right now (contest) -- great time to try FSK-D mode

2014-08-15 Thread Wayne Burdick
The K3 and KX3 both have an FSK-D data mode, which allows you to decode and 
display RTTY signals right on the VFO B display. If you've never tried this 
feature, now would be an excellent time. Signals are coming in from all over 
the world, from about 14.080 MHz up.

You'll need to go into DATA mode, select FSK-D sub-mode, and turn on text 
decode. You can use the CWT meter function to help tune in signals. Refer to 
the owner manuals for details.

Of course you can also send RTTY with the K3 or KX3, too -- with the keyer 
paddle. Once you're in FSK-D mode, just set your code speed and start sending. 
To truncate the 4-second idle time, send ..-- (the Elecraft IM prosign, 
which means IMmediately terminate the transmission). This, too, is further 
described in the manual.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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[Elecraft] RE; Slide Rules

2014-08-15 Thread Jan

Check it out  ~ this works too ~ and the reverse-side is neat also

http://www.antiquark.com/sliderule/sim/n909es/virtual-n909-es.html

Cheers, Jan K1ND
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[Elecraft] Mirage B215 amp for sale - 2 in 150 out

2014-08-15 Thread Jim Miller
Who wants one - email me direct - have one I was about to list for sale.  It
is a Mirage B215 - 2 in 150 out.  FM -SSB sw, Preamp on-off sw, power sw.
73, Jim

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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Belt clip for KX3 after you install the 2 or 4 Meter
module?

On 8/14/2014 7:20 AM, James kvochick wrote:
 Oh yeah, and how about a KXPA100-2 amplifier?

Look for a used RF Concepts or Mirage (pre-MFJ) brick amp that produces 150W
with 2W of drive. They are rare, but great amps.

73, Jim K9YC


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[Elecraft] TEST

2014-08-15 Thread Joe W2KJ
test

73, Joe W2KJ
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Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] TEST

2014-08-15 Thread Tom McCulloch

Joe - your msg posted ok to the Elecraft list..

Tom
wb2qdg

  


On 8/15/2014 10:46 PM, Joe W2KJ wrote:

test

73, Joe W2KJ
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[Elecraft] Serial cdable (USB) won't connect with K3 directly...

2014-08-15 Thread Bill Conkling
I was getting together items to take out for an event on Saturday and spent
hours trying to sort out what was happening with my USB cables.  My K3 would
not see the serial port.  As a last resort, I plugged the cable into the P3
and everything worked!  Why does it work through the P3, but not direct?

 

.bill  nr4c  (confused)

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Re: [Elecraft] Slow-scan TV (SSTV) display on the P3 and PX3?

2014-08-15 Thread Dave Jones
I'm with you Wayne although it looks like we are very much the minority at this 
time. I would really like to have SSTV added to the P3.

Tx monitoring would good too.
Dave VK4FD

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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Slow-scan TV (SSTV) display on the P3 and PX3?

2014-08-15 Thread Ken G Kopp
In 58 years on the air,  I've never known anyone who was/is active on SSTV,
and I have no interest ... FWIW. (;-)

73

K0PP
On Aug 15, 2014 3:56 PM, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com [KX3] 
k...@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 Hi all,

 Is SSTV demodulation/display something we should add to the long term
 wish-list for our panadapters? I hear SSTV signals in the 20-meter SSB
 segment pretty regularly, and I think it would be nice to eavesdrop on the
 visuals, in living color, with all the HF-induced idiosyncrasies. But we
 won't bother with this if I'm the only one who's interested.

 If we did consider adding SSTV, we'd need to decide which SSTV format(s)
 to support. If there's just one that's reasonably universal, great. I'm
 pretty sure we'd start with just one, given limited engineering time.

 73,
 Wayne
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[Elecraft] K1 stand....WTB

2014-08-15 Thread Edward Kacura via Elecraft

Still looking for the stand Elecraft discontinued for the K1.
If you have one you don't want or use, let me know.
Contact me off line @ ekac...@yahoo.com
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Re: [Elecraft] Serial cdable (USB) won't connect with K3 directly...

2014-08-15 Thread Alan

Perhaps the P3 and K3 are set to different baud rates?

Alan N1AL


On 08/15/2014 08:26 PM, Bill Conkling wrote:

I was getting together items to take out for an event on Saturday and spent
hours trying to sort out what was happening with my USB cables.  My K3 would
not see the serial port.  As a last resort, I plugged the cable into the P3
and everything worked!  Why does it work through the P3, but not direct?

  


.bill  nr4c  (confused)

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