[Elecraft] KX3 no speaker audio

2024-02-03 Thread Barry Keith Middleton via Elecraft
John, I had the same problem, the KX3 has separate audio amplifiers for 
speaker


and phones. With the help of Elecraft support the fault was traced to an 
o/c resister


feeding power to the audio i/c. I do not have the details to hand, but 
it is a 2 watt device.


Hope you soon get it fixed.

    Barry Middleton G4DBS








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[Elecraft] K2 RX sensitivity

2023-07-30 Thread Barry H


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Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 ON light flashing

2023-07-30 Thread Barry Keith Middleton via Elecraft
I am hoping I can find out a problem I have with my KXPA100 amp and 
KXAT100. The "on" LED


is flashing every 4 seconds. Also when connected to the KX3 the menu 
item ATU DATA is replaced


by 2 horizontal bars and a beep tone. Disconnect the PA and the KX3 
shows the correct menu item.


 I have checked everything and other to the faults listed, appears to 
be working correctly.


  Barry Middleton G4DBS

    Never sold it, glad I kept it.
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[Elecraft] For Sale UK mainland only

2023-05-13 Thread Barry Keith Middleton via Elecraft
Regretfully I have the following for sale. Elecraft KX3, KXPA100 with 
KXAT 100


Elecraft PX3.KX3 also fitted with roofing filter and the 2 metre module,

battery charge with Panasonic Enoloop batteries and real time clock.

 Also original Manuals, Fred Cady's book

All leads including power pole adaptor for KX3, and will

also included a Signal link date interface.

I may be able to deliver it to the buyer and no cost.

I am the original owner and has been in a non smoking

and no pets household.

Asking price £2,500 cash or bank transfer.

    Barry Middleton G4DBS

PS resent as I forgot items.
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[Elecraft] For Sale UK mainland only

2023-05-13 Thread Barry Keith Middleton via Elecraft

Regretfully I have the following Elecraft KX3, KXPA100 with KXAT 100.

Elecraft PX3. Also original Manuals, Fred Cady's book

                                            All leads including power 
pole adaptor for KX3, and will


                                            also included a Signal link 
date interface.


I may be able to deliver it to the buyer and no cost.

Asking price £2,500 cash or bank transfer.

    Barry Middleton G4DBS
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[Elecraft] K2 and RSP1

2022-12-30 Thread Barry H


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[Elecraft] K2 and RSP1

2022-12-29 Thread Barry H


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[Elecraft] Greetings

2022-12-05 Thread Barry Middleton via Elecraft
May I wish all readers on the list a Merry Christmas and a Happy New 
Year, and a healthy 2023.



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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 MacOS M1 Mini

2022-09-24 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
David:

> On Sep 24, 2022, at 7:51 PM, Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> About a month ago, I upgraded from an old (2015?) Intel i5-based MBP to the 
> new M2 MBP, and was able to migrate everything over to it seamlessly by 
> having the M2 import all of my bits from the TimeMachine backup. I've been 
> using RUMlogNG for years, and it works nicely with both WSJT-X and JTDX 
> *simultaneously*, with WSJT-X driving the upgraded K3 (near-K3s) operating 
> with the KXV3B on 630m and JTDX operating the K4D on the HF bands. I do not 
> have RUMlogNG do any rig control for me, however.
> I have 24MB of memory in this MBP, but I was operating with 16MB on the old 
> MBP just fine. I had a 250GB SSD on the old MBP, but splurged for 1TB on the 
> M2. However, I think you should be able to get by with 16/250 on an Apple 
> Silicon based machine unless you're planning to watch a movie or edit video 
> while you're working the bands :-) One trick that I pull is to have a 
> separate partition on a large USB drive (which is primarily used for 
> TimeMachine) to keep less-needed files, as well as the log files generated by 
> WSJT-X and JTDX. I simply created a symbolic link in the files for those two 
> apps to point to the right places on the USB drive.
> Only fly in the ointment I've encountered is that I run Parallels and it 
> upgraded to the latest version and then installed Windows 11 ARM for me. I 
> haven't played with it yet, so I don't know how much it will bog down the 
> system. *BUT*, be forewarned that Ham Radio DeLuxe is Intel-only and flatly 
> told me in their support forum that they do NOT intend to make an ARM64 
> version for Windows 11. I only use HRD as a backup log program to review my 
> awards standing (e.g., DXCC, WPX, etc.), and now do so on my Intel-based 
> iMac, but I plan to retire it eventually. I've never used it for rig control, 
> etc.

Please note that the current Windows-11 ARM OS that can be installed by 
Parallels 18 on a M1/M2 Mac can indeed run INTEL-based Windows Software.  I’ve 
been using it for several months to run INTEL software for railroad signal 
monitoring (ATCS) and it works seamlessly.  There was no problem transferring 
program files from a Dell Latitude machine and having the software run without 
modification.

Consequently, even though there may not be an ARM version of a Windows software 
package, it may still be possible to run it under Windows ARM using an 
INTEL-based Windows package.  

That said, there is one caveat:   Windows ARM does not currently support 
natively USB devices other than such as items as Keyboards, Mice, Trackballs, 
etc.  For example, I cannot run a SDR device on the ARM because the device 
drivers don’t exist under ARM needed for SDR:  I use ZADIG to add drivers for 
SDR and it doesn’t work running Windows 11 ARM.  

I suspect that USB support for ARM will grow under time, but it remains to be 
seen whether software that uses USB attached devices that require special 
device drivers will work.  In my case, this means using data sources available 
via the internet rather than using a SDR device for over-the-air reception of 
data.  For example, I can use data collected via SDR attached to my Dell laptop 
and feed that data to Apple MBP M1 laptop running Windows 11 ARM via LAN to 
display the data.  


FWIW,

Barry, WD4ASW


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Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Mini and P3

2022-06-09 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
Jorge:

> On Jun 9, 2022, at 9:02 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM  wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> I have a K3/100 on the radio site and a K3/0 Mini on the control site,
> running perfectly with remoterig boxes
> 
> How can I add the P3 SVGA to the control site?
> 
> Couldn't find the connections for that in Google

Remoterig does not support the P3/SVGA nor does Elecraft offer a remote option 
for the P3.I have the K3/0-Mini along with the K3-KPA-500-KAT500-P3 at my 
ham shack in southeast Georgia.  

I’m aware of two options for ’seeing’ the P3 remotely:

1. Install a video capture board in the ham shack computer and camera aimed at 
the P3 and then view the P3 by accessing the ham shack computer to see the 
video.  However, I’m not aware of any currently available video capture boards 
per se.  You’d have to search to see if these are still available.  This 
approach has been discussed in the past on this reflector, but it has been 
awhile since anyone has posted anything about it.

2. Use the IF output from the back of the P3 and connect a SDR receiver (such 
as SDRPlay devices), install the appropriate SDR software on the ham shack 
computer, and install OmniRig to have the software track the frequency of the 
K3/100. I have done this with SDRPlay's SDRduo running their SDRuno software 
that has the ‘hooks’ for OmniRig.  It is then possible to view a spectrum 
display running available through the SDRuno  that will replicate what the P3 
can show directly.   When I turn on the RX ANT on the K3/0-Mini, it allows 
OmniRig to interface between the K3 and the SDRuno software and subsequently as 
I change frequencies/bands on the K3, the SDRuno software follows along.  I can 
also set the frequency of the K3 by specifying the frequency within SDRuno 
software.

While I’ve done this with SDRPlay hardware and software (I already had the 
SDRduo in my shack before trying this), presumably the same thing can be done 
with “SDR dongles” such as NooElec using other SDR programs such as SDR Sharp, 
SDR Console, etc.  However, I don’t know if these packages provide the OmniRig 
interface to ensure that the spectrum display is controlled by the K3.  SDRPlay 
also offers single tuner SDR devices (SDRduo is a dual-tuner) such as the RSP1A 
and RSPdx. See: www.sdrplay.com <http://www.sdrplay.com/>.

Bottom line is that the “work around” is to have a PC in the shack that can 
utilize a SDR device (connected via USB) with an IF input coming from the P3 
that can subsequently be controlled by the K3 to show a spectrum display.  This 
means you’ll also have to connect to the PC in the shack through remote 
software such as VNC Viewer (from RealVNC.com <http://realvnc.com/>) or another 
package such as TeamViewer.  The SDRplay website does have generic 
documentation and videos on how to connect HF transceivers to their SDRs and 
how to configure SDRuno so that the SDR can provide a spectrum display (As I 
recall, they use the Kenwood 570G as their example).  See: 
https://www.sdrplay.com/apps-catalogue/ 
<https://www.sdrplay.com/apps-catalogue/>.




Hope this helps,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW/1
(Currently in Roslindale, MA)



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Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Receiver Tests

2022-05-01 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
Chuck:

> On May 1, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Chuck MacCluer  wrote:
> 
> The K3 and K3S are dead ends --- they are frozen at their present
> capabilities. The K4 is a partially filled canvas that can improve over
> time. For example, the K4s I hear on the air still have, like the K3xs,
> that ugly popup in the unwanted sideband. They compare in this respect
> unfavorably with the lowly IC-7300. But the K4 will someday possess
> predistortion and consequently a pristine transmitted SSB signal. Unlike
> its predecessors, the K4 has an unlimited future. That's the nature of a
> full SDR.

Your point is certainly well taken.  Performance enhancements, new features, 
bug fixes, etc. are all possible given the old adage, “It is simply the 
software.”

That said, exactly how a product line evolves over time can have a huge impact 
on both current customers and perspective customers. One can certainly argue 
that those that jumped in line on the day of product announcement for the K4 
are ‘early adopters’ who are willing to purchase a hardware design and then be 
relatively patient waiting for the software/firmware to evolve to the point 
that announced features are made available.  The tradeoff is that ’needed 
features’ may lag behind the ‘basic features’ and that those that forked out 
real  for the latest generation of hardware may start to get ‘antsy’ about 
not being able to take full advantage of a product’s “potential” as 
software/firmware evolves later.  

While I have no idea what Elecraft’s development timeline looks like, 
presumably their development schedule is predicated on relative priorities as 
well as creating the building blocks necessary to enhance the software over 
time.  I also don’t know how large their development team is or whether they 
have other duties/responsibilities as well.  As far as I know, they have not 
released a ‘development roadmap’.  Bottom line is that those that purchasers of 
a new generation of hardware that is fully dependent upon software to ‘make the 
magic’ must recognize that such development work will likely exceed their 
presumptions of how quickly such software is fully developed.

While Elecraft is not FlexRadio, one only has to look at the history of Flex to 
see how much longer software development takes over hardware development to 
create the ‘desired’ product.  When Flex announced their 6 series at the 
2012 Hamvention, they delivered the hardware within 18 months of product 
announcement to those who ’signed up’ in the first few months after product 
annoucement.  I received my Flex-6700 in November 2013 with SmartSDR for 
Windows version 1.0.  However, the first iteration of SSDR (v1.0) was simply 
the first step in a long evolution of software development.  It wasn't until 
May 2017 (five years after initial product announcement) that “SmartLink” was 
introduced in SSDR v2.0 that allowed remote connectivity of Flex-6 series 
transceivers, a product feature announced in 2012 and which is why I got the 
Flex-6700 in the first place.  

Almost 10 years later, we’re now seeing hardware issues starting to crop up 
with the SD cards installed in older Flex-6xxx transceivers that contain the 
“smarts” of these products.   While Flex utilizes ‘industrial grade” SD cards, 
even these products apparently degrade after years of read/write cycles.  
Customers are now experiencing issues where current firmware upgrades ‘brick’ 
their transceivers because of the longterm degradation of these cards means 
they fail during testing of SD card performance as part of the firmware update. 
 In other words, the testing is done to ensure that SD card is capable of 
accepting the new firmware and fails.  Flex has been very responsive is 
supplying replacement SD cards (even though radios are beyond their warranty 
period) which is certainly appreciated, but it does leave a “taste in one’s 
mouth” when this happens.  BTW, these SD cards are unit specific (they 
apparently contain serial number information) which means one can’t simply copy 
the contents of one SD card and install it on a non-Flex provided SD Card.  

I note this simply to point out that today’s world of “software defined radio” 
introduces not only new capabilities but also changes the paradigm about 
product development and longevity of products due to limitations.   Indeed, 
investing in a new product release such as the K4 or the Flex-6 means that 
the purchaser becomes part of that product’s ‘ecosytem’ where it may take a 
significant amount of time to finalize that ecosystem.  This compares to the 
‘old days’ where one purchased a ‘radio as is” with limited update capabilities 
and one simply purchased a replacement as needed.

FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW/5
Keller, TX


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Re: [Elecraft] SK Elecraft Station

2022-04-23 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
Paul:

> On Apr 23, 2022, at 7:23 PM, Paul Horenstein K2PH  wrote:
> 
> Barry:
> 
> While the embedded link to our club website may have given a subtle hint, the 
> equipment is located in the northern suburbs of New York City, specifically, 
> Rockland County, NY.

Thanks for the clarification.  I recognize that dealing with estate matters can 
be a challenge for all concerned and I’m sure the family appreciates your 
willingness to help.  

When it comes to ’selling’, I submit that ’subtle hints’ won’t cut it which is 
why I asked the question. One cannot assume that someone will take the time to 
open a website, look at QRZ, or take either measures to try to determine where 
the items in question might be located. Instead, if the seller doesn’t bother 
to provide a geographical reference, your potential buyer won’t bother to do 
the research and will simply ignore the posting as the likelihood is that it 
will be outside their relative geography.  

Bottom line is that it generally a good idea to provide appropriate location 
information in the initial announcement to help create interest.  

Good luck,

Barry, WD4ASW/5
Keller, TX



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Re: [Elecraft] SK Elecraft Station

2022-04-23 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
Paul:

> On Apr 23, 2022, at 6:36 PM, Paul Horenstein K2PH via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> As president of our local radio club I am sometimes contacted by the family 
> of a member who has become a silent key, to assist with the disposition of 
> his equipment.
> I was recently contacted and asked to help with a complete K3 station, K3,P3, 
> KPA500 & KAT500. There are also some other peripheral devices, power 
> supplies, wattmeters, switches and power distribution boxes.The family has 
> asked me to act as an intermediary. As such, if you would like any further 
> information as to availability, price, options, condition, etc., please email 
> me and I will get back to you and, if warranted, put you in touch with the 
> family. Neither I nor the club are making anything on this. It's unfortunate, 
> but this is the third one of these instances that we've been called upon to 
> do in the past year.
> 73
> Paul K2PHPresident, Crystal Radio Club, Inc.www.crystalradio.club


It would be helpful if you at least provided city/state of where the equipment 
is located.  This information might encourage other to follow up with you if 
indeed the equipment is relatively close to their area.  I also know that there 
are some folks who purchase estate items and resell at hamfests.  Thus, knowing 
where this equipment is located might encourage further interest.  

FWIW,

Barry, WD4ASW/5
Keller, TX

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Service

2022-04-21 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
Dave:

> On Apr 21, 2022, at 2:11 PM, David Gilbert  wrote:
> 
> 
> For most other brands you can find a repair center somewhere certified by the 
> manufacturer.  Elecraft has never done that, and now that they no longer 
> support replacement modules and appear to have significantly pared down their 
> own repair services, I will pretty much be left high and dry if my K3 should 
> suffer any failure unless I can figure out how to fix it myself.
> 
> I bought my K3 for two reasons ... its performance and its modularity which 
> promised long term support for upgrades and repair.  The performance is still 
> near top notch, but I was seriously mislead on the long term support and if I 
> ever buy another rig it won't be Elecraft.


I guess the obvious question to ask is whether a company other than Elecraft 
currently meets your expectations, and if so, what are their distinguishing 
characteristics that would meet your expectations?  How “long term” is long 
term? 

As a user of both Elecraft and FlexRadio products, my experience is that in 
today’s world we’re purchasing an ‘ecosystem’ and not just a ‘radio.’  Flex’s 
current ecosystem (6xxx series, PGXL, TGXL, etc.) was initially announced at 
the 2012 Hamvention with the 6700 but it wasn't until 2017 that the 6 
series met performance promises, 2018 when the PGXL was released, and 2021 when 
the TGXL was released.  There was also the Maestro released in 2016 but is 
currently unavailable as is being redesigned (again) because the tablet that is 
embedded in it is no longer available.  Presumably the “C” version will be 
available late this year.  We shall see.  

On top of that was the introduction of SmartSDR for iOS, SmartSDR for Mac,  and 
DogPark SDR for Mac.  It remains to be seen whether a 3rd party will ever 
develop SmartSDR for Android or SmartSDR for Linux.  The introduction of these 
software packages along with Maestro makes the Flex system extremely versatile, 
but at relatively significant cost and ‘wait time’ for these capabilities to be 
introduced.

On the Elecraft side,  one could argue that the KPA1500 was the kickoff of the 
’next gen’ Elecraft line when it was introduced in 2017 and delivered in 2018.  
As I recall, the K4 series was announced at Hamvention in 2019 and with all of 
the "external challenges” (Covid, supply chain issues, California wildfires, 
etc.) it wasn’t until 2021 that first deliveries were made.  I understand that 
there are still features to be released such as remote operation.  I have no 
idea how much production backlog they currently have or when they’ll produce 
the various iterations such as kits. I don’t know the status of the K4D or 
K4HD.  

So at this point one might come to the conclusion that at this moment after 10 
years of “evolution” the Flex product line is at full stride where customers 
(with the exception of Maestro) can order online and have their product shortly 
thereafter.   As I recall, Flex did bring 6 series production back ‘in 
house’ (I believe in 2020) when 3rd party production problems arose.   An 
underlying question is the long term prospects of sourcing parts for the 
current generation 6xxx series.  Evolving parts may well force a redesign and 
that in turn could turn the product development cycle back on its head again.

Down-the-road as Elecraft continues its development and production of the K4, 
they will at some point reach their goal of providing a multifaceted K4 with 
the appropriate firmware/software options.  I have no idea how long that 
development time will be, but my conclusion is that the creation of the new 
‘ecosystem’ is what we’re now experiencing, not simply the creation of a 
‘radio.’  Elecraft’s vision to produce such a product line means that 
purchasers will likely have an ‘evolutionary’ experience with these products 
where new/updated/upgraded features are released as they are developed.  

I’m happy with my K3 system (K3-KPA500-KAT500 + P3) and will use it until it 
fails. A year ago yesterday (20 APR 21) I ordered and paid for the 
KIO3BUPKT-FullDep_KIO3B Upgrade Kit for K3.  At this point I have no idea when 
it will be delivered.  I ordered it to extend the useful life of the K3.  At 
some point down the road should my K3 system become unrepairable, I’ll then 
worry about whether to replace it with something else or simply continue to use 
the Flex system only.  In the meantime, I’ll enjoy what I have.

Bottom line is that Elecraft and Flex both produce excellent products.  What’s 
changed over the past 10 years is the nature of the product itself and the 
associated “product line” where hardware and software/firmware development have 
significant impacts on product availability and capability leading to an 
‘evolving’ product line.  


FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW/5
Keller, TX

> 
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
> 
> 
> On 4/21/2022 11:48 AM, Rick Bates, NK7I wrote:
>> One simple

Re: [Elecraft] OT Donating Surplus Gear

2022-01-11 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
Paul:

> On Jan 11, 2022, at 7:32 AM, Paul Huff  wrote:
> 
> With my wife’s encouragement, I recently purchased my “holy grail” radio - an 
> Elecraft KX3.  Along with this purchase came the decision to reduce my radio 
> “footprint” and get rid of a lot of my old gear that is no longer getting 
> much use.  Some of this equipment has some non-trivial monetary value, but I 
> don’t need the money, I don’t want to go through the hassle of trying to sell 
> it, and I don’t want to deal with shipping issues.  I want to just give it 
> away locally, preferably to a club that could use it (or the proceeds from 
> selling it) to help younger or disadvantaged hams get on the air.
> 
> I’m a 100% QRP/CW operator and most of this stuff relates to that.  The gear 
> includes an Elecraft K1, Rockmite 30, SST40, MFJ Versa Tuner II, Astron PS, 
> various accessories and numerous books.  I have a 3-page pdf document that 
> gives a complete list.  Almost everything is in perfect working order and 
> there are both hard and digital copies for most of the owners manuals.
> 
> I will organize everything, box it up, and can deliver it to just about 
> anywhere in the SE Michigan area.  I want to donate all of it as a group and 
> not piece it out a little bit at a time.  If you are associated with a local 
> club that could use this donation to promote ham radio, or know somebody who 
> is,  please contact me off the list.

I donated my “surplus” gear back in 2019 to a high school amateur radio group 
in Gainesville, FL.   My station is in SE Georgia and I spent four years in 
Gainesville back in the late 70s, so I knew the club’s advisor through the 
Gainesville Amateur Radio Society,  We reconnected in 2018 due to luck and 
circumstance and I subsequently learned about the school’s amateur radio club.  
When I made the donation I drove to the high school to deliver the ‘goods’ and 
later the advisor drove to my ham station to pickup a second load. I 
documented the donation and provided the list to the High School.  They 
subsequently confirmed the receipt of items donated, including an Icom IC-781, 
a Yaesu FT-736R,  and an Alpha 9500.  

Like you, I was primarily interested in passing good equipment to the ’next 
generation’ as well as seeing the equipment in active service as it was sitting 
on shelves.  An active high school club fits that requirement nicely.  So one 
thing to consider is looking to see if such clubs exist in your area.  Local 
hams may be serving as club advisors.  Perhaps a local school experienced an 
ARISS contact and has a relationship with an amateur club as a result of that 
experience.  Talk to local educators to see if they have such clubs at 
particular schools.  

I still hear from the club advisor concerning the high school amateur radio 
club and the activities of the students.  I believe my donation has had an 
impact on students which makes me feel that I’ve a made a difference for those 
that are using this equipment as well as enhanced the high school’s club 
activity.

FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW/5
Keller, TX


> 
> Thanks and 73,
> 
> Paul Huff - N8XMS
> Livonia, MI
> 
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 VGA Video Capture Card

2022-01-08 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
Ed:


> On Jan 8, 2022, at 10:21 AM, Ed G  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I am investigating ways to be able to see P3 video when linking to a 
> local computer via a remote desktop type of program.  The local computer 
> would be controlling a K3 using Win4K3 and I would like to also be able to 
> see the P3 video.  So I am considering a VGA capture card to allow the P3 
> video to be displayed on the local monitor. One card I looked at:
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/Capture-Streaming-Teaching-Conference-Broadcasting/dp/B08GYXZC3D
> 
> Is anyone on the list doing something similar?  Looking for comments and/or 
> suggestions; thanks!

Please keep in mind that VGA is defined as 640 x 480 pixels whereas the P3 with 
the Display Option provides Super VGA which provides a resolution of 1024 x 760 
pixels.  The P3 SVGA Display Option can also handle 1280 x 1024, 1440 x 900, 
and 1920 x 1080 pixels.  

The device you’re looking at says “VGA” so I presume this means it cannot 
handle SVGA.  

Another option would be to use an SDR ‘dongle’ with SDR software running as a 
panadapter.  I have the RF output from the P3 going to a SDRPlay device running 
SDRuno on the PC in the shack and remotely connect to the PC to view that 
panadapter running off the K3/P3 receive RF.  

SDRuno uses Omnirig that allows the SDR to ‘follow’ the K3 frequency so as the 
K3 changes frequency the panadapter provided by the SDRuno software displays 
the frequency of the K3.  I can also adjust the K3 frequency by changing the 
frequency on SDRuno.   

FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW/5
Keller, TX





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Re: [Elecraft] K3 sidetone volume when using Line Out

2021-11-28 Thread Barry

Thanks for the replies.  I'll pass it along to the station owner.

73,
Barry W2UP

On 11/28/2021 11:27 AM, Geert Jan de Groot wrote:



Was operating remote in CQWW using a K3 and RCforB.? I was unable to
adjust the sidetone volume, which I found too loud.? The host is using
Line Out to connect to the sound card, which provides a fixed audio
level.? is there a way to independently adjust the sidetone level via
Line out?


Respectfully adding to Pete's response: "sidetone level on line out" 
to me means the amount of audio on the line out output while you are 
transmitting, to "monitor" your own transmissions.


If this is what you are after, there is ab obscure description in the 
release notes of the K3 5.88 firmware description:


TX LINE OUT (MONITOR) LEVEL NOW ADJUSTABLE:
In CONFIG:LIN OUT menu entry, tap '2'  (REV switch) to set the "T=" 
level (TX monitor). Tap '2' again to return to the RX LINE OUT setting.


Hope this helps,

Geert Jan


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[Elecraft] K3 sidetone volume when using Line Out

2021-11-27 Thread Barry
Was operating remote in CQWW using a K3 and RCforB.  I was unable to 
adjust the sidetone volume, which I found too loud.  The host is using 
Line Out to connect to the sound card, which provides a fixed audio 
level.  is there a way to independently adjust the sidetone level via 
Line out?


Tnx,
Barry W2UP
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Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS

2021-10-20 Thread barry halterman
This is rather interesting. Last year my local borough contacted me about
my antenna support. It is 30 feet high and is my end support for my EFHW. I
was asked when did I install the pipe? I said 15 years ago, why? I was
promptly told that the boroughs 1.2 GHz comm link between the pump house
and well head three miles up the road, was intermittent. I am in a valley
compared to the well head and their link receiver. In that past year the
electric company installed two tall towers for distribution lines a couple
hundred yards between the well head and my QTH.  I was the suspect, non the
less.
Turned out to be the antenna at the well head.
K3bo

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:31 PM Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> When I fired up my first transmitter as a novice (a DX-20!), little did I
> know it was leaking into a break in the coax cable in the attic.
>
> I found out two days later when a ham I'd never met copied my callsign off
> his TV. He looked me up in the callbook (I was a few blocks from his
> place), introduced himself, and helped me find and repair the cable. I
> ended up with a clean signal and a great Elmer.
>
> But this is not the good ol' days, apparently.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
> > On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:22 PM, K4HYJ via Elecraft <
> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> >
> > I had a ham friend who went through a similar situation with Charter -
> now Spectrum.  He called the state's public service commission to lodge a
> complaint against Charter.
> >
> > Long story short, the public service commission sent a representative
> out in the field and they had the ham radio guy transmit while witnessing
> the "interference" in the neighborhood.  They saw issues but not at the
> same time the transmitter was operating.  Charter finally found 2 issues: a
> failing power supply on a network amp, and some terrible signal leakage on
> improperly terminated unused coax drops.
> >
> > Charter took the easy way out and blamed the ham as a CB operator
> operating at illegal power levels.  Obviously they had no proof and
> ultimately had to fix their own problems.
> >
> > Xfinity around here is all fiber based.
> >
> > I'd also call the better business bureau!
> >
> > Hank
> > K4HYJ
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> On Behalf Of Rich Lim via Elecraft
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:35 PM
> > To: eric norris ; Frank Krozel <
> kg9hfr...@gmail.com>
> > Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM
> ANTENNAS
> >
> > Wow! Doesn't seem to make sense... so they believe that by shutting down
> your home internet that you will stop operating your station which
> allegedly is causing the interference?
> >
> > Or do they believe that by the sheer fact that Xfinity is connected to
> your home that your station is causing harmful interference which is being
> transmitted directly into your home box?
> >
> > I'm gonna follow this one closely.
> > RichKQ9L
> >
> >
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> >On Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 01:25:48 PM CDT, Frank Krozel <
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> > Cameras?  Any ID card from him?
> > Intolerable from any company, let alone your provider.
> >
> > -73-  FrankKG9H
> > kg9hfr...@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft <
> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Gang:
> >> Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to
> >> explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my
> amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages.  Oddly, these wide
> area outages did not include my own house.  They told her the antennas
> themselves--absent any power--were the problem The last time I was
> threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet
> lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I
> have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest.  I asked
> to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he
> never called back.
> >> Any Ideas?  Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a
> >> communications lawyer?  Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm
> Pacific time--I'd appreciate 

Re: [Elecraft] Parts availability

2021-10-18 Thread barry halterman
Check out MPJA.com as they have LM358p, ten for 2.95.

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 5:55 PM Lou Mecseri  wrote:

> My friend's refrigerator fan died. No replacement or substitute (one
> they tried was 80dB loud) available. Replacement cost, and he is lucky,
> $2,000 fir a new one.
>
> Super efficiency is a dangerous thing for society and for business. At
> the same time, maintaining complete part replacement is damaging to
> profit. You figure, what is the right balance?
>
> 73 Lou KE1F
>
> On 10/18/2021 21:36, Alan Bloom wrote:
> > Recently I tried to order some electronic parts for a project I am
> > working on.  In the old days (like, a year ago) I would just get on
> > the Digi-Key web site, order what I want, and it would arrive in the
> > mail in a few days.
> >
> > These days, there are a LOT of parts on the Digi-Key web site that
> > show no availability.  I wanted to buy 10 standard, run-of-the-mill
> > LM358 op-amps in an 8-pin DIP package.  This is a 25 cent part that
> > has been around for decades.  They had none in stock in that quantity,
> > from any manufacturer.  I ended up ordering a couple in the
> > old-fashioned TO-5 metal can package for *10 bucks each*. At least
> > they did have some of those in stock.
> >
> > I also wanted to buy a ceramic capacitor assortment.  They listed 6
> > assortments that would have worked for me, but all were out of stock.
> >
> > Manufacturers with "just in time" parts ordering systems are in a
> > world of hurt these days.  Fortunately I don't think Elecraft ever
> > went down that path.
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 beta 2.04

2021-10-07 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
Andy:

Thanks for the update!

73,

Barry, WD4ASW/1

> On Oct 7, 2021, at 8:07 AM, Andy Durbin  wrote:
> 
> "Could you note some of the ‘fixes’ that are not noted in the release notes?"
> 
> Here is a more complete list:
> 
> * An enabled antenna is not selectable with mode BYP
> 
> * F; interrogation returns zero after CAT induced band change
> 
> * Unexpected behavior for FCCS and FCMD
> 
> * Fault code 01 when attempting to tune with low power
> 
> * Fault 2 leaves KAT500 in bypass when fault cleared
> 
> * Disabling "Tune on QSY" option does not prevent RF count re-tune if CAT 
> frequency is available to KAT500.
> 
> All the above are fixed in beta 2.04.
> 
> There are also changes in full tune implementation that make is less likely 
> that TX power foldback will result in early termination with a poor match.
> 
> FCCS, FCMD, MTM and MTA commands which did not work as documented have been 
> replaced by FDT.  (See command reference for details)
> 
> For anyone using CAT control, the biggest change is that the CAT provided TX 
> frequency takes priority over the counter frequency and counter will no 
> longer cause a re-tune at start of, or during, TX. 
> 
> (All the above are based on my notes and the Elecraft release notes should be 
> taken as the official version of the changes.)
> 
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
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Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 beta 2.04

2021-10-06 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
Andy:

> On Oct 6, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Andy Durbin  wrote:
> 
> https://elecraft.com/pages/kat500-fully-automatic-tuner-firmware-and-utility
> 
> New KAT500 firmware and also a new Utility version.   Quite a few issues 
> fixed that are not mentioned in the release notes.

Could you note some of the ‘fixes’ that are not noted in the release notes?

Second, this firmware is marked ‘Beta’.  I typically don’t install stuff until 
it is the production version.  So are the changes/enhancements significant 
enough and the Beta is tested well enough such that I should go ahead and 
install the firmware the next time I’m at the ham station in November (I 
operate remotely)?  The currently installed firmware is 01.75.  

Third, am I correct that the I can use an earlier version of the KAT500 utility 
to install the new firmware and that older utility software will ‘play nice’ 
with the new firmware?  The currently installed KAT500 Utility is v1.16.7.25 
that has a 2016 copyright date.  

Thanks,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW/1
(Currently in Roslindale, MA)

> 
> I'd like to thank Dick, K6KR, for his patience as we worked though my defect 
> reports and enhancement suggestions.  I learned a lot from our discussions as 
> this firmware update slowly matured.
> 
> All of my alpha testing was with a Kenwood TS-590S.  Hopefully owners of 
> other rigs will try this beta and report any issues.
> 
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
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[Elecraft] KPA1500 Power Level

2021-09-14 Thread Barry Simpson
I have had a quick look through the KPA1500 manual and could not find any
reference to running the amplifier at a lower power level than the rated
1,500w.

Can anyone comment on the implications (eg temperature, efficiency and IMD)
of running a KPA1500 at say 500w by simply reducing the drive power.

Would the power level be stable if set to 500w or would it drift upwards or
downwards during the course of an over on CW ?

Thanks

Barry Simpson  VK2BJ
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Re: [Elecraft] Unique QSO

2021-09-13 Thread barry halterman
Reminds me of the time, way, way back going up on MT. Diablo with a two
meter lunch box and a simple J pole antenna. Man, what a blast that was!

On Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 2:38 PM Hank via Elecraft 
wrote:

> Great story!!!
>
> I remember in 2019 making a cool contact like that. I was running the KX3
> at 10 watts with the AX1 sitting in a hiking chair on top of Pigeon Mtn in
> NW Ga and made a 20m USB contact with a gentleman in Mexico running a b new
> to him K3s at 100 watts into a wire dipole.
>
> That was one exciting POTA contact!
>
> Hank
> K4HYJ
>
> > On Sep 13, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> >
> > I was out hiking with my son yesterday at Las Trampas Wilderness (about
> 25 miles east of San Francisco). We took a break at the highest point to
> taken in a 360 degree view of the Bay Area.
> >
> > After lunch, I pulled out the KX2, attached a 4' whip, and immediately
> found Bill, W6H (AKA W8TE) calling CQ on 20 m SSB from New Mexico. I tried
> a couple of calls using the KX2's built-in mic, but wasn't quite getting
> his attention through the QRM. So I attached the KXPD2 keyer paddle and
> called in CW mode. Bill came back to me right away.
> >
> > First K4 to KX2 cross-mode QSO? (Not quite a "200 Meters and Down"
> achievement, but gratifying just the same.)
> >
> > Wayne
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[Elecraft] OFFLIST: Re: K4 delivery status

2021-08-16 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
 my part that isn’t discovered until after I leave the 
site or a hardware failure such as a bad LAN switch or failed UPS) but the 
Elecraft is fully operable because it is not physically dependent upon the same 
LAN switch or UPS network backup.  “Redundancy” is a good thing when using a 
remote station.  

73,

Barry, WD4ASW/1

> 
> Dave AB7E
> 
> 
> On 8/16/2021 8:33 PM, Barry Baines wrote:
>> David:
>> 
>>> On Aug 16, 2021, at 10:27 PM, David Gilbert  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Well, I'm not particularly interested in Flex's history, but that seems to 
>>> be a pretty long winded agreement that there probably isn't any timetable 
>>> for the remote capability that Elecraft appeared to demonstrate in their 
>>> video upon the release of the K4.
>>> 
>>> As an aside, last I checked software development wasn't dependent upon 
>>> piece part supply.  Priorities are priorities, though ... I'm just saying 
>>> that the remote capability doesn't appear to be very high on the list.  
>>> That's obviously Elecraft's choice, but for me the remote capability was 
>>> probably the one key attribute that might convince me to switch from my K3 
>>> to the K4.  For everything else that actually matters to me in the way of 
>>> raw performance, the K3 seems as good or better.
>> Perhaps you’re missing my point.  Yes, hardware production is dependent upon 
>> parts supply, but the focus of development is software both in terms of user 
>> interface as well as the ‘internals’ of managing “Software" Defined Radio 
>> systems is significantly greater than prior Elecraft products.  It took Flex 
>> nearly five years after initial product announcement to provide Wide Area 
>> Network remote capability for their Flex-6 products.  When it came out 
>> in 2017, it changed the entire nature of Flex products.  Remote operation is 
>> what is driving Flex users today.
>> 
>> Elecraft presumably understands this, but clearly there are other software 
>> development concerns they’re currently focusing upon.  And how do you 
>> balance the need to get hardware product out-the-door (to generate revenue) 
>> versus software development that has been implicitly promised but is 
>> presumably initially paid for with a hardware purchase?  The priority is 
>> presumably to get product out-the-door…  And as good as job as Elecraft did 
>> on K4 software development before product release, there will be ‘bugs’ 
>> found by users as the user base expands.  Thus, there is also a continuing 
>> need for “software maintenance.”
>> 
>> I have no idea what ‘software licensing’ model Elecraft may pursue down the 
>> road.  Will ‘remote operation’ be a separate product to be purchased when it 
>> is available?  The version of SmartSDR that users obtained when they 
>> received their Flex-6xxx eventually was replaced by an ‘enhanced’ version 
>> that offers new features with a new version number that requires payment for 
>> a new license if the user wants the enhanced capabilities.  The license is 
>> associated with the radio, not the user.  Thus, I went from v1.xxx when the 
>> Flex was delivered in November 2013 and later paid for v2.xxx when 
>> "Smartlink” (Remote operation) was introduced in 2017.  Later, Flex offered 
>> “Multiflex” under SmartSDR v3.xxx that I elected not to purchase and my 
>> current SmartSDR v2.7.6 supports my current needs.  “Versions” reflect new 
>> capabilities (e.g. “Smartlink” and “Multiflex”) while bug fixes within a 
>> version are provided as part of the existing license.  This pricing model is 
>> common in the computer industry and it does provide a revenue stream to help 
>> support continued software development.  In addition, I paid for SmartSDR 
>> for Mac and SmartSDR for iOS licenses developed outside of Flex because they 
>> offer features I was willing to pay for with the developer promising future 
>> updates without additional fees.
>> 
>> Thus, don’t overlook the significance of software development both in terms 
>> of development time and expense.  I presume that the software development 
>> effort for the K4 is significantly greater than prior Elecraft products 
>> requiring special skills (such as FPGA programming) and more extensive 
>> development efforts than in the past that takes time and resources to 
>> successfully implement.
>> 
>> FWIW,
>> 
>> Barry, WD4ASW/1
>> 
>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Dave   AB7E
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 8/16/2021 5:55 PM, Barry Baines wrote:
>>>> David:
>>>

Re: [Elecraft] K4 delivery status

2021-08-16 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
David:

> On Aug 16, 2021, at 10:27 PM, David Gilbert  wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, I'm not particularly interested in Flex's history, but that seems to be 
> a pretty long winded agreement that there probably isn't any timetable for 
> the remote capability that Elecraft appeared to demonstrate in their video 
> upon the release of the K4.
> 
> As an aside, last I checked software development wasn't dependent upon piece 
> part supply.  Priorities are priorities, though ... I'm just saying that the 
> remote capability doesn't appear to be very high on the list.  That's 
> obviously Elecraft's choice, but for me the remote capability was probably 
> the one key attribute that might convince me to switch from my K3 to the K4.  
> For everything else that actually matters to me in the way of raw 
> performance, the K3 seems as good or better.

Perhaps you’re missing my point.  Yes, hardware production is dependent upon 
parts supply, but the focus of development is software both in terms of user 
interface as well as the ‘internals’ of managing “Software" Defined Radio 
systems is significantly greater than prior Elecraft products.  It took Flex 
nearly five years after initial product announcement to provide Wide Area 
Network remote capability for their Flex-6 products.  When it came out in 
2017, it changed the entire nature of Flex products.  Remote operation is what 
is driving Flex users today.

Elecraft presumably understands this, but clearly there are other software 
development concerns they’re currently focusing upon.  And how do you balance 
the need to get hardware product out-the-door (to generate revenue) versus 
software development that has been implicitly promised but is presumably 
initially paid for with a hardware purchase?  The priority is presumably to get 
product out-the-door…  And as good as job as Elecraft did on K4 software 
development before product release, there will be ‘bugs’ found by users as the 
user base expands.  Thus, there is also a continuing need for “software 
maintenance.”   

I have no idea what ‘software licensing’ model Elecraft may pursue down the 
road.  Will ‘remote operation’ be a separate product to be purchased when it is 
available?  The version of SmartSDR that users obtained when they received 
their Flex-6xxx eventually was replaced by an ‘enhanced’ version that offers 
new features with a new version number that requires payment for a new license 
if the user wants the enhanced capabilities.  The license is associated with 
the radio, not the user.  Thus, I went from v1.xxx when the Flex was delivered 
in November 2013 and later paid for v2.xxx when "Smartlink” (Remote operation) 
was introduced in 2017.  Later, Flex offered “Multiflex” under SmartSDR v3.xxx 
that I elected not to purchase and my current SmartSDR v2.7.6 supports my 
current needs.  “Versions” reflect new capabilities (e.g. “Smartlink” and 
“Multiflex”) while bug fixes within a version are provided as part of the 
existing license.  This pricing model is common in the computer industry and it 
does provide a revenue stream to help support continued software development.  
In addition, I paid for SmartSDR for Mac and SmartSDR for iOS licenses 
developed outside of Flex because they offer features I was willing to pay for 
with the developer promising future updates without additional fees.  

Thus, don’t overlook the significance of software development both in terms of 
development time and expense.  I presume that the software development effort 
for the K4 is significantly greater than prior Elecraft products requiring 
special skills (such as FPGA programming) and more extensive development 
efforts than in the past that takes time and resources to successfully 
implement.   

FWIW,

Barry, WD4ASW/1


> 
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
> 
> 
> On 8/16/2021 5:55 PM, Barry Baines wrote:
>> David:
>> 
>>> On Aug 16, 2021, at 7:28 PM, David Gilbert  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Apparently not.  I recently asked on this list if new K4 users could tell 
>>> us how well the K4 worked for remote operations.  The only replies I got 
>>> said that Elecraft had not yet written a release version of the software 
>>> for remote operation of the K4, and as best they could tell from the 
>>> responses they had gotten from Elecraft there was no timetable for doing 
>>> so.  Nobody from Elecraft bothered to answer my query, so they are probably 
>>> correct.
>> 
>> We all know that Elecraft is facing huge challenges on all fronts in terms 
>> of product manufacturing and digging through the orders they’ve received.
>> 
>> Elecraft is not alone in terms of announcing a vision and then expending the 
>> resources ($$$, technical development, production, distribution) to make it 
>> happen. Elecraf

Re: [Elecraft] K4 delivery status

2021-08-16 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
XL and tuner package.  

10. With the release of TGXL, a TGXL utility was also released providing 
‘basic’ remote operability to manage the Tuner.  No word as of today as to when 
the TGXL will be integrated into SmartSDR or Maestro.  It does integrate with 
Antenna Genius if you have the SO2R version of TGXL. 

In fairness to Flex, a number of cool capabilities were developed by Flex and 
third parties over the past four years including SmartSDR for Mac, DogPark SDR, 
SmartSDR for iOS (iPhone and iPad) and various utilities.  Flex has actively 
encouraged developers to use their API to create new features/capabilities for 
the Flex-6xxx ‘ecosystem.'

In essence, it has taken Flex and others nine years to develop a Flex-6 
‘ecosystem’ of very tremendous capability that covers the entire operator HF 
experience.  With transverters, this experience can be extended to VHF and 
above.  The system has matured to the point where the equipment “works” and 
fulfills their vision of remote capability.  As third parties develop new 
features (including Node Red systems), the potential is endless.  

I personally see Elecraft’s K4 as having similar potential.  I don’t doubt for 
a moment the dedication and vision that Eric and Wayne possess in their efforts 
to bring the K4 ‘ecosystem’ to fruition.  Hopefully, their vision will be 
completed more expeditiously than Flex, but I also suspect that they’re 
following a multi-year evolutionary process given their current challenges…  I 
also suspect that there will be the potential for third parties to develop 
products that will enhance the K4 experience over time.  


FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW/1
Keller, TX
(Currently in Roslindale, MA)





> 
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/16/2021 2:22 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> 
>> 1.  I run W7RN remotely with the RemoteRig RRC-1258 setup and my K3.  If I 
>> replace my K3 with a K4, and Tom does _not_ do likewise at RN, will my 
>> remote setup still work?
>> 
> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
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[Elecraft] Nabble down

2021-07-15 Thread Barry
Nabble has been unavailable (DNS error) to read the kist for a few 
days.  Temporary glitch or is it gone forever?


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Re: [Elecraft] J Box

2021-07-05 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
Rick:

> On Jul 5, 2021, at 5:30 PM, Richard Lawn  wrote:
> 
> I’ve got a barely used J Box that I’d like to part with. Let me know if
> you’re interested and I can send you a photo and we can discuss process. I
> think they sell for around $150-160 and add quite a bit of versatility to
> the K3(s).

Do you mean a “Y-Box” produced by Bob Wilson, N6TV?  His products are designed 
to be connected to the K3.

A “jbox” is a term for an electrical junction box.


FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW/1
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Re: [Elecraft] KX2 to a handlebar mount

2021-06-30 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
Mike:

> On Jun 30, 2021, at 1:32 AM, MIKE ZANE  wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to find a "handlebar mount" to mount a KX2 on my Segway Ninebot S 
> MAX. The "handlebar" on the S Max is not a straight bar, but a round donut 
> type of handle. All of the Cell phone handlebar mounts will not work with the 
> KX2. Any one with any ideas out there? Thanks, Mike

Take a look at Lido Mounts (www.lidomounts.com <http://www.lidomounts.com/>) 
that offers a bicycle mounting bracket that one can then attach various 
mounting points for different items such as HTs and front panels of various 
radios.  See if the panel they offer will for the KX3 will work with the KX2.  

I have a Segway I2 which has their mounting piece for a bicycle that I’ve 
attached their mount to hold a HT using the belt clip.  So the question is 
whether you can ‘mix and match’ to get what you need.  There is a mounting 
package for the KX3, but it includes hardware for mounting the assembly in a 
vehicle, not a bicycle.  You can call them at 949-690-5616 to discuss your 
needs.  They’re on the West Coast so take that into account when calling them 
if you’re not on the West Coast yourself.

Hope this helps,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW/1
(Currently in Roslindale, MA)


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Re: [Elecraft] Giving Up

2021-06-09 Thread Barry Simpson
Well said Dave

I am a rig tragic like you and many others.

I have always got to buy and try all the newest rigs and then move them on
if I am not that smitten.

My current rigs/keepers are a K3 (2008 vintage), TS890, Omni 6+, Orion 2
(three of those !), SunSDR2DX.

Been and gone rigs include the IC7851, IC7610, TS990 (only because it got
too heavy for me so I got the TS890), MB1, Flex 6600M and a number of
others.

I have not yet succumbed to the FTDX101 or the FTDX10 but may give one or
the other a try. However, one of my main requirements is good quiet QSK so
I am not sure that the Yaesu is suitable and the bandscope strikes me as
horrible.

I too have had a no deposit K4D on order for about two years. I intend to
just let the order sit there and see if anything eventually happens and if
it does I expect I will buy it !!

Barry  VK2BJ

On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 at 13:28, Dave Erickson  wrote:

> On 6/8/2021 12:25 PM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:
> > Not so, Doug.
> >
> > My K3, including accessories and filters, was $4,500 in 2007. That's
> > $5,722 in today's dollars.
> >
> > A K4 with all its advanced technology at $4,600 (your quote) is a steal
> > compared to a K3.
> >
> > The word "expensive" can be applied to the K4 (or any product) only when
> > answering the question, "compared to what?"  Otherwise it has no
> > meaning.  Nothing is expensive or inexpensive on its own.  The word has
> > relevance only when comparing the price of two or more products.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Kent  K9ZTV
> >
> >
> > On 6/7/2021 9:33 PM, Doug Person, KØDXV, wrote:
> >> ... With a tuner the [K4] price is $4600 making it one of the most
> >> expensive transceivers on the market ... When the K3 came out it was
> >> very competitively priced. I'm not sure I would describe the K4 with
> >> the same words. It is unquestionably an expensive radio.
> > .
>
> All,
>
> I followed along this thread and I think it's not useful to compare the
> K4 to the K3. The K3 to the K2 makes sense, even a KX3 to a K3 as they
> are more similar.
>
> I think the only radio on the market right now that can be compared to
> the K4 is the 7610 from ICOM. And frankly, it's not so good for the K4.
>
> A little over a year ago, I was in the market for a high end transceiver
> and basically decided between waiting for a K4 or buy a 7610. I bought
> the Icom. While I am sure the K4 is a better radio in some ways, the
> question is: is it twice as good? (Add tuner, second ADC, etc.)
>
> Looking at the specs, I am shocked the K4 is shipping with only one ADC.
> At the price point and with the 7610 on the market for $2900 all day
> long it's a serious flaw for me.
>
> The K4 also has no pre-selector that I can tell and that is useful too
> me at times, especially on the low bands.
>
> IMO the competition for the K4 is the 7610 as they are architecturally
> very similar.
>
> Maybe an Apache ANON 7000 DLE would be in there as well but the Icom
> beats that too IMO. (Since it has buttons, and a tuner, and pin-diode
> QSK etc)
>
> That said, I have since bought a K3 to go with the 7610 and will likely
> get a K4 and an ANON in the future so I am as hopeless as the rest.
>
> 73's all.
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Re: [Elecraft] A Clarification: IC-7300 vs FTDX10

2021-06-08 Thread Barry Simpson
Hi Phil

Buying the IC-7300 was definitely a descent .

Barry  VK2BJ

On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 at 10:12, Phil Hystad via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> I answered that question two years ago and it cost me about $200.
>
> I bought a 7300 because I thought it would be a descent backup to my
> K-line (K3).  Two months after I bought it, I sold it for a net $200 loss.
>
> I did the test that Don outlines in his message quoted below.  I searched
> for weak CW stations on my K3 and then switched the antenna over to the
> IC-7300 to see if I could pick them up.  Not a a precise experiment but I
> would
> say about half of the weak signals I could hear enough to copy on my K3
> were
> not copyable on the IC-7300 and a few of them were not even making an
> appearance.  This test was all done with my 20-meter dipole near the
> resonant
> point of the antenna so no tuners were involved for either radio.
>
> But, that was not the kill-shot for the 7300.  The relay clicks on
> break-in keying
> drove me crazy.
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
> > On Jun 8, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Bert  wrote:
> >
> > Here is the $ 64.000 question:
> >
> > Do you think you can work more stations with a K3 vs a 7300
> > everything else being equal, antennas, location, etc.?
> >
> > Bert VE3NR
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2021-06-08 19:52, Ray wrote:
> >>
> >> Like the Old Saying……
> >> If you cant Hear them You cant Work them……….
> >> That is WHY that is a $1000.00 Radio.
> >> Good Luck Hunting the DX……
> >>
> >> Ray WA6VAB K3
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Don Wilhelm
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 4:35 PM
> >> To: Richard; Elecraft
> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A Clarification: IC-7300 vs FTDX10
> >>
> >> Richard and all,
> >>
> >> I have a friend who bought a K3s and then afterward bought an IC-7300.
> >> He is a weak signal CW type of guy and reports that there are many weak
> >> signals that he could copy on the K3, but were non-existent on the
> IC-7300.
> >>
> >> His reason for buying the IC-7300 had to do with possible "portable"
> >> operation.  Of course, the K3 is his rig of choice.
> >> Yes, he does have the P3 to compliment it.
> >>
> >> He had operated my K3 with P3 for 2 years at Field Day and found it
> >> excellent.  He commented that the K3 with the P3 allowed him to work
> >> stations "like shooting a fish in a barrel".
> >>
> >> I know this does not compare the IC-7300 to the FTDX10, but I thought it
> >> to be a point of interest to some.
> >>
> >> I wonder how many will be comparing the K4 to the K3 with on the air
> >> experiences.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Don W3FPR
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6/8/2021 7:00 PM, Richard wrote:
> >>> Assuming you're a casual rawchewer and DXer, if you had an IC-7300 and
> an FTDX10 side by side, where would they be pretty much equal, and where
> would each outshine the other?
> >>>
> >>> Think in terms of using them with a KPA500 and a KAT500.
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [Elecraft] 70 cm beacon ?

2021-05-26 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
Ken:

> On May 26, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I now have XV432 running with the K3 and trying to find asignal to test the 
> rx,
> 
> Anyone know of a working satellite with a beacon or otherbeacon near Shawnee, 
> Oklahoma
> 
> on 70 cm ? Not finding much activity here, Antenna to small forEME.

Amateur satellites are moving objects, so you would need to know when a 
satellite’s footprint is over Shawnee.  The ability to aim your antenna both in 
elevation and azimuth would also be helpful to provide the strongest signal to 
your receiver.  You can look up a particular satellite’s expected passes over 
your grid square by using the “Predict” page on the AMSAT website:

https://www.amsat.org/track/index.php <https://www.amsat.org/track/index.php>

You can also review the list of active satellites and their downlink/uplink 
frequencies here:

https://www.amsat.org/fm-satellite-frequency-summary/ 
<https://www.amsat.org/fm-satellite-frequency-summary/>


Otherwise, is there another ham in the area that can fire up a CW/SSB/FM signal 
between 432-436 MHz (the coverage of the XV432)?  Perhaps a member of a local 
radio club could assist.

Hope this helps,

Barry, WD4ASW/1
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> Thanks agn 73 Ken K5DNL
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class,

2021-04-26 Thread Barry
Jim Brown-10 wrote
> But writing legibly is, and that was a VERY important contribution of my 
> technical drawing classes. My script has become pretty flaky with age, 
> but my printing is still pretty legible.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC

My handwriting was always poor.  Guess that's why they made me go into
medicine.

Barry W2UP






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Re: [Elecraft] OT: High school drafting class, ~1975

2021-04-24 Thread Barry
High school in 1975?  You're just a kid in ham circles, Wayne  :-)

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[Elecraft] Product Availability Was: Re: QSO Today Expo - Estimated K4 related shipping schedule

2021-03-31 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
Mike:

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 1:15 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett  wrote:
> 
> The point of all of this is why is Elecraft not on this list telling us these 
> things like they used to?
> 
> I hear lots of excuses.  Sure there are supply line problems for everyone.  
> HRO still has lots of product.  Elecraft has a big competitor in FLEX are 
> they having similar issues?  I hear that some big box radios have some wait 
> times but not in the years category.

Flex has similar issues.  The Tuner Genius has been under development since 
2017.  They announced at the QSO Today Expo that those at the head of the line 
(e.g. those that ordered the Power Genius XL  in early 2017 when the tuner was 
packaged with the amplifier0  should get theirs in 2nd Quarter 2021, 4+ years 
after product announcement.  My Power Genius was delivered in May 2018 and I 
still can’t use it with a EFHW antenna without the tuner.  Maestro is currently 
on back order.  Their website shows their transceivers on back order with no 
expected availability times listed.Flex has gone through its own 
’transition’ during Covid where final assembly was brought ‘in house’ on their 
transceivers as their outside vendor shut down.  The Power Genius and Antenna 
Genius are built by 4O3A in Montenegro for Flex where they have their own 
issues and ability to ship product to the US is constrained.  

HRO may have lots of product but necessarily the product that I want.  I 
ordered from HRO last November the West Mountain Radio ‘PWRspeaker’ that is not 
expected until at least May.  It is produced in China.  So between parts, 
assembly, and transport across the Pacific there are plenty of reasons for 
delayed deliveries.  The Suez Canal debacle is but one part of the “supply 
chain’ impacts that also includes container shortages, port congestion, 
intermodal doublestack railcar availability, intermodal terminal congestion in 
the interior, and drayage impacts.  

Another example: I ordered three 4K 15” portable displays through Kickstarter 
in July 2020 with expected delivery in October 2020 from China (Two will be 
used with two GeoChron2 Digitial 4K devices that I had purchased through HRO in 
January 2020) .  Kickstarter charged my credit card in September and e-maiiled 
on 22 OCT 20 "Production is in full swing and we expect to begin shipping by 
the end of October.”  On 6 NOV 20 I received an e-mail from Kickstarter with 
subject line “Production Delays” ("It seems like many large electronics 
companies locked up all the raw materials before the funds were released from 
Kickstarter”) deliveries would not take place until February 2021.  No update 
received since then.  I have no idea at this point where they stand with 
expected deliveries.  Next week I will start making inquiries again.

What we all took for granted regarding ‘immediate gratification’ on what we 
ordered being immediately available “before Covid” is no longer the case.  It 
will be a ‘long time’ before we see a return to ’normal’ as economic activity 
dramatically picks up as Covid-19 restrictions are eased (thanks to 
vaccinations) and pent up demand for everything exceeds available supply.  
Prices will consequently rise.  Add in the proposed $2-3 Trillion in government 
spending on “infrastructure” (further competing for scarce products/materials 
that the private sector also needs)  and the proposed $2-$3 trillion increase 
in taxes (that will impact families and small business ability to ‘bounce back’ 
from the downturn) at the same time, and the nation will have so many “moving 
parts” that impact economic activity resulting in further uncertainty.  My 
concern is that the unintended consequences will have far reaching impacts on 
the economy from rising prices (inflation)  to uncertain availability putting 
even more strains on businesses such as Elecraft and Flex, not to mention the 
rest of us.


FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW/5
Keller, TX


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Re: [Elecraft] An FT8 Radio- just dreaming

2021-02-21 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
Doug:

> On Feb 21, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Doug Millar via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have been wondering for some time- How will FT8 change ham radio equipment? 
>  Right off I imagine a radio and computer in one box maybe with the display. 
> (FT8 should vastly simplify the first interface with the radio, with menus 
> reaching deeper into its control. Most of today's designs are not well enough 
> integrated and I think are hampered by preconceptions. Nor do they take 
> advantage of graphic user interfaces that are common in say cell phones.  I 
> think it could be one box with voice and touch control with keyboard and 
> mouse optional. How about an internal projector so that the screen can be 
> projected onto another surface making monitors optional? If it is going to be 
> worth it, It has to be not different but do things differently. 
> Has anyone else had any thoughts?  

FWIW, we’re already seeing the integration of FT8 into amateur radio equipment. 
 However, it isn’t hardware but software that does this as exemplified by 
SmartSDR for iOS and SmartSDR for Mac developed by Marcus, DL8MRE and is 
available through the appropriate Apple App Store (iOS and MacOS).  Within the 
software configured to manage Flex-6000 series transceivers, FT8 is a ‘mode’ 
that allows the operator to use their Flex-6000 product locally or remotely 
with FT8 integrated into SmartSDR on their device.  This capability is not 
available through SmartSDR for Windows (developed by FlexRadio), but as an 
Apple user I’m thrilled with the integration that is now possible with an 
iPhone, iPad, or Apple Mac/Macbook using MacOS.  It can’t get any simpler to 
integrate FT8 into an amateur radio station.

I have to presume that as Elecraft evolves the K4 ‘ecosystem’ to include remote 
operation that similar integration is feasible.  Whether Elecraft will do this 
or by third party developers remains to be seen.  

73,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW/5
Keller, TX

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Re: [Elecraft] Unusual problem with KPA500

2021-02-15 Thread Barry Simpson
Hi Marv

Are your K3 settings the cause of the problem?

It does not sound like a KPA500 problem. I am not sure where the KAT500
fits in.

Barry  VK2BJ

On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 at 16:26,  wrote:

> My problem only occurs on 160 meters. If the KPA500 is in stand-by I
> receive
> no signals on the K3S. Simply switching the amp to operate lets signals
> pass. I have tied different antennas jacks on the KAT500 and the problem
> remains. I sent an email to Elecraft support about a week ago and have not
> had a response. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks
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[Elecraft] K2 and Hard rock amp package price reduction.

2021-02-05 Thread barry halterman
I am reducing my asking price of the K2, SN: 7954 and hard rock 50 amp. I
will split them up if necessary. Neither have ATU's. K2 has the k2I/O and
KFIL, asking $650. The HR50 asking $200.
You pay shipping.
Contact me off the reflector, please.
Thanks.
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Re: [Elecraft] Difference between a K3 and a K3S

2021-01-25 Thread Barry Simpson
I bought everything to upgrade my 2008 dual receiver K3 to pseudo K3S
status including a K3S style rubber ring for the main tuning knob .

Barry  VK2BJ

On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 at 09:10, Charlie T  wrote:

> There a LOT of differences between the K3 and the K3S.
> Many are minor improvements but some are major.
> Built in low noise 6M pre-amp for one. You don't have to buy the outboard
> unit.
> Somewhere I made a list of them all when I was considering whether to
> upgrade my K3 or buy a new K3S.
> After looking at all the pluses, I went with the new radio.
> Also, many of the K3 options will work in the new K3S too, so I basically
> bought a bare-bones K3S-100W version and swapped the filters etc.
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> On
> Behalf Of AB1DD
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 1:03 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Difference between a K3 and a K3S
>
> I think it was, but have no idea what the starting S/N was. It was near the
> end of the K3 run.
>
> 73,
> Carl
> AB1DD
>
> Resistance is futile.
> (don't know about reactance, though)
>
>
> On 1/25/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Kopacki wrote:
> > Was the KSYN3A synthesizer ever built into the K3 as a standard item?  If
> so, beginning at what serial number?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike NJ2OM
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[Elecraft] K2 / HR50 combo FS

2021-01-24 Thread barry halterman
Greetings, I have available a K2/10, SN 7954, built July 2020. Installed
are the K2 I/O board and the K2 AFIL. With the K2, also including the hard
rock 50 amplifier. The K2 was tested and aligned by Elecraft in October.
Asking $1100 for the package. Shipping is negotiable. Please contact me off
the reflector.
Thanks
Barry
K3BO
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW characters sound very hard / short

2021-01-23 Thread Barry
Yes, this is the answer.  The original KSYN boards didn't have a powerful
enough processor for high speed CW.

My K3 works just fine for my weekly QRQ sked at about 60 WPM, and at least
one other in the group runs a K3.

Barry W2UP


Klaus Koppendorfer wrote
> Put KSYN3A Synthesizer Upgrade Boards into your K3 and CW Chars are  ok at
> QRQ high speed
> Have done this mode on my K3 and got an completly another Radio also on
> receive
> 
> 73
> Oe6kyg
> 





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Re: [Elecraft] Absurd remarks about FCC and ARRL notices.

2021-01-19 Thread Barry
There's no place for anonymous posting, either.  How hard is it to include
your name and/or call?

Barry W2UP


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> Listen. 
> This is no place for political BS. I don’t care if you are right, left, or
> in the f’ing middle. This is a place to discuss Elecraft equipment, uses,
> procedures, and other at least semi- related information. NOT POLITICS.
> There are plenty of sites out there on the never ending internet where you
> can put down this or the next president and administration. 
> 
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[Elecraft] Fwd: Ten Tec Orion II and KPA500

2021-01-16 Thread Barry Simpson
Thank you so much to everyone who responded to my request for help as below.

I have now been directed to the February 2014 issue of QST where there is
an article by AD5X which is just what I was looking for.

73

Barry  VK2BJ

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Gooday all

I use my Ten Tec Orion II with my KPA500 and usually try to manually switch
bands rather than rely on the RF sensing.

I would really like to use the band information output from the Orion II to
automatically switch bands on the KPA500.

Does anybody know of a band decoder which is compatible with both pieces of
equipment or alternatively has anyone designed something home brew to
achieve the purpose.

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.

Barry Simpson  VK2BJ
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[Elecraft] Ten Tec Orion II and KPA500

2021-01-16 Thread Barry Simpson
Gooday all

I use my Ten Tec Orion II with my KPA500 and usually try to manually switch
bands rather than rely on the RF sensing.

I would really like to use the band information output from the Orion II to
automatically switch bands on the KPA500.

Does anybody know of a band decoder which is compatible with both pieces of
equipment or alternatively has anyone designed something home brew to
achieve the purpose.

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.

Barry Simpson  VK2BJ
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Re: [Elecraft] Long messages

2021-01-04 Thread Barry
Just another reason why a forum makes so much more sense than pushing out
emails to everyone.

Barry W2UP



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 shortened dits - you can remedy this under N1MM+

2020-12-07 Thread Barry Simpson
I beg to differ.

I have an original K3 dating from 2009 which I completely updated including the 
synthesisers. It made no difference to the shortened character issue which is 
still the same. 

It is there both in QSK and semi break in modes but does not occur if transmit 
switching is manual only, eg a foot switch with VOX turned off. 

I use mainly Idiom Press keyers and I have always compensated by setting the 
weight to around 54.

I am surprised that this issue has only surfaced again now and received such 
widespread comment and acknowledgement that it exists. I raised it in a post 
several years ago but I was unable to attract any response.

Kenwood does not have such an issue with any of their rigs including the TS890 
which I own nor does my Ten Tec Orion 2. Of course all Icoms are awfully 
shortened in QSK but not so much in semi break in.

Barry VK2BJ 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 8 Dec 2020, at 06:03, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:
> 
> 
> The approximately 6 ms of dit shortening represents 10% of the
> dit length at 20 WPM.  It gets progressively worse as the speed
> increases (20% at 40 WPM, 30% at 60 WPM, etc.).
> 
> Note: this only applies to K3 models that do not have the
> upgraded synthesizer.
> 
> For an unmodified K3 the solution(s) are:
> 
> 1) turn on CW QRQ (and lose RIT/XIT/split)
> 2) Upgrade to the new synthesizer (x2 if sub RX is installed)
> 3) Use an external WinKeyer with dit compensation at 6 ms.
> 
> 73,
> 
>   ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
>> On 2020-12-07 8:47 AM, Dave Fugleberg wrote:
>> Does this become apparent only above a certain speed? I'm guessing it's not
>> as big an issue below 30wpm or so, but would be good to know.
>>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 10:23 PM  wrote:
>>> I have never heard of this issue until your post. In DX contests, dits
>>> sometimes disappear so we certainly to done want wimpy dits!  Does this
>>> issue also exist with the K3S? Is there a similar solution for those of us
>>> that use Writelog?
>>> 
>>> John KK9A
>>> 
>>> Dave Hachadorian K6LL wrote:
>>> 
>>> I found out today that there is another way to change weight under N1MM -
>>> config/ports/other tab/weight.
>>> 
>>> I wonder how many people do not realize that K3's  lighten CW keying
>>> applied
>>> 
>>> through the KEY jack, and that their dits are wimpy?  I operated that way
>>> for 12 years, until W3LPL told me about it yesterday.  The K3 monitor
>>> sounds
>>> 
>>> normal.
>>> 
>>> Life is too short for wimpy dits!
>>> 
>>> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
>>> Yuma, AZ
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 purchase considered

2020-11-21 Thread barry halterman
Thank you Dave for the explanation on the reflector. I know there are a lot
of K2 fans on here and I don't want to discourage anyone from a K2, nor do
I want to say the K2 is not a fantastic radio. It is, except when tuning
around strong signals.
Barry

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 1:51 PM Dave Van Wallaghen  wrote:

> Fellow listers,
>
> I'd like to add some clarity to the audio chirp problem mentioned by
> Barry. As some of you may or may not know, I took over for Don Wilhelm,
> W3FPR when he retired in February of 2019. I am a third party service
> provider through my company W8FGU Services, LLC as well as an employee
> of Elecraft providing support and servicing of their Classic Line of
> products.
>
> Barry contacted me a few months ago to report the chirping (popping)
> problem and sent me his K2 for service. I spent a good amount of hours
> researching this problem where I was able to reproduce what Barry was
> hearing. It was through his wonderful description of how to produce the
> problem that I was able to reproduce the same issue on a number of K2's
> I have here in the shop including my own personal K2 #5099.
>
> With that said, I must emphasize that the great majority of K2 users
> will not be affected by this issue. There have been reports of chirps or
> pops during tuning in the past. Most were resolved by running CAL PLL
> again and making sure that the bottom cover was installed on the unit
> after plenty of warm up time. This is still the first line of defense
> when dealing with this problem. Unfortunately for Barry, this did not
> solve the issue he was hearing. And while I can explain why the issue
> occurs, I can't really explain why it is worse for some units than
> others except to say that the K2 was designed to use readily available
> through-hole parts with 5% and 10% tolerances and that it's possible
> those tolerances add up in certain circumstances. And, it must be
> remembered that the K2 is a 22 year old design. The fact that this
> design still produces a rig with the performance numbers it has after 22
> years and is still available as a build-able kit is a great tribute to
> Wayne and Eric's vision and implementation.
>
> The issue: audio chirps and pops were being heard while tuning only when
> there were strong signals on the band within +/- 50KHz of the VFO
> frequency being tuned. These chirps were being heard every 5KHz of
> tuning. This happens to be the tuning boundary of the K2 PLL Oscillator.
> In a nutshell, at the 5KHz boundary, the PLL chip was programmed with
> new divide by registers and then the PLL Oscillator was moved to the min
> or max end of its range depending on the direction of tuning. Between
> these two operations was a brief period (a few milliseconds) where there
> was some instability while the closed loop of the PLL circuit settled
> down after the change in boundary. This produced a large voltage spike
> from the output of the PLL chip that caused the integrator circuit
> feeding the VCO varactors to sweep the VCO 50KHz or so in a few
> milliseconds. If there was a large signal in that frequency range, it
> was heard as a chirp or pop. It would be like spinning the VFO knob
> 50KHz in 8 milliseconds. This is why these chirps are not heard when
> there are no signals on the band in the area of tuning.
>
> As I was able to reproduce this issue, I believe in the past, I just
> simply blew off what I heard as atmospheric noise while I was tuning,
> especially on noisier bands like 40m. Barry could really hear it on 20m
> where there was less atmospheric noise but large signals on the band.
> This is especially exacerbated when tuning through the lower part of 20m
> during a contest where strong CW and digital mode signals made this very
> noticeable. Again, most users will not notice this especially if tuning
> slowly through the band. When using a tuning rate of 100Hz or 1KHz, it
> may be more noticeable as you are hitting the 5KHz PLL Osc boundary
> quicker.
>
> As I explained to Barry, I would never have noticed this before he
> explained how to produce it. Now that I know what it is, it drives me
> crazy. And I am not describing this to bring it to light for all of you
> (although I know many of you will try to reproduce it now - sorry). As
> Wayne explained to me, this type of PLL tuning design was fairly popular
> (and cutting edge) at the time and many radios of the time might produce
> similar results.
>
> What I came up with for Barry was a simple one-shot circuit that would
> punch the AGC line of the IF Amp during the 5KHz tuning boundary to
> dampen the volume for about 15ms to prevent the audio chirp. It monitors
> the chip select line of the PLL chip which happens when the process of
> setting the divide by registers is 

[Elecraft] K2 LCD dsisplay problem?

2020-11-21 Thread Barry Middleton via Elecraft
Good morning, I would like some help in resolving a problem with my K2. 
The rig is receiving and transmitting


with no problem, but the indicator for LSB, USB, CW etc is not working. 
I am able to change mode ok but have to rely


on my ears to tell me witch mode I am on. On the display I see one 
vertical bar, press mode button mode changes


and the display shows two vertical bars. Is this a display fault or 
should I look somewhere else?


   Thanking you in advance, and my best wishes to all on this 
reflector,


            Barry Middleton G4DBS


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 purchase considered

2020-11-20 Thread barry halterman
I will throw my two cents in on this. Quite frankly, I do not see how a K2
got the reviews it did over the years. I put one together in July to do
something during lock down. After assembly, which was really a pleasure,
and in two or three weeks after, I noticed a disturbing pop when tuning
around strong cw stations. The s meter would jump to maximum signal
strength and my ears took a beating with the loud pop!
The rig went back to Elecraft for evaluation and I was told with this type
of PLL circuit design, this is the nature of the beast. Having known this
irritating pop is nature of the beast, I would have saved my money!!
I want to say that Elecraft made a modification to help with the strong
pops and I am very thankful for that and the the terrific service, but the
pops are a big annoyance to me even with the suppressor.
I still am evaluating if I want to keep this thing or put it up for sale.
K3bo

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 9:11 PM Macy monkeys  wrote:

> Agree. I have had a parade of 'better' rigs come and go through the
> shack...but my K2 built over 20 years ago is still here.
>
> John K7FD
>
> > On Nov 20, 2020, at 5:41 PM, Robert G Strickland via Elecraft <
> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> >
> > John...
> >
> > Jim has the resume to back up his opinion(s) which I do not have. His
> view point always merits serious consideration. For myself, building the K2
> was/is one of the "peak experiences" I have enjoyed as an amateur radio
> operator. While I now use a K3s - and it is a "better" radio - I have
> continued to use the K2 regularly over the years. I never fail to smile
> when it powers up, and the two of us go on the radio journey of the moment.
> It is my go-to radio for field day. When I bought it there were no other
> options, while today, the KX2/3, K3/s, K4 are all excellent radios that
> should be considered; you can't go wrong with any of them. That said and
> speaking for myself, I would sell any of the "better" radios in my
> possession before parting with my K2. When you go on to better and better
> rigs, you'll never regret the time spent with the K2. This reads like a
> "testimonial," and I suppose that it is. No offense to anyone meant. Just
> one ham's opinion.
> >
> > ...robert
> >
> >
> > 11/20/2020 06:54 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> >>> On 11/20/2020 10:07 AM, John Daws wrote:
> >>> Am really tempted to get a K2 to use alongside the above- I have an
> >>> experienced builder here in the UK.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Everything I have read about the K2 excites me!!
> >>
> >> Most of the fun of the K2 is in the building. The newer rigs (K3, K3S,
> >> KX3, K4) are better radios.
> >>
> >> 73, Jim K9YC
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 remote

2020-10-10 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
Gordon:

> On Oct 10, 2020, at 12:56 PM, Gordon LaPoint  wrote:
> 
> Barry,
>  Thanks for the comments and hints.  I'm using the KAT500-Remote Version 
> 1.0.15.0 software over the internet to a remote system in a different town.
> This is NOT the utility software, it allows for hosting a KAT500 over the 
> internet for control by multiple clients,  a different program.  The client 
> end does not have a clear indication of the power status of the remote KAT500.

I can’t help you with the KAT500-Remote Software because I don’t use it.  If 
you’re not satisfied with how KAT500-Remote is working for you, then I suggest 
taking a look at the KAT500 Utility software (v.1.19.18.5).  As I explained, 
simply log into the ham shack computer with VNC Client, TeamViewer, etc.  to 
manage the KAT500 utility and you’re good to go.  One advantage of this 
approach is that you don’t have to install the Elecraft software on every 
‘client’ computer to be able to access the KAT500 and you’re not limited to a 
PC as other devices that can run VPN Client TeamViewer, etc.  (iPhone, iPad, 
Linux, Windows, Android, Google Chrome, etc.) can access the local computer 
running KAT500.  It also doesn't require port forwarding configuration to gain 
access to the shack’s PC.

Another approach with the KAT500 Utility is to use a Lantronix EDS4100 (or 
similar) Serial-to-Ethernet Device Server which provides a ComPort connection 
between a device (such as the KAT500) and the PC where you’re located.  Connect 
the KAT500 RS232 port to an open port on the Device Server, install the 
Lantronix ComPort software on the PC of interest, configure the EDS Device 
Server with the RS232 settings needed, and now you can connect directly to the 
KAT500 using the Elecraft Utility Software from wherever you are.  The 
Lantronix ComPort software configures the PC to accept an ethernet connection 
and convert the connection to reflect a ComPort.  Windows Manager sees it as a 
ComPort, and you specify that ComPort in the KAT500 setup (I used Com9 set to 
38400 baud).  You’ll will need to setup port forwarding at the hamshack to gain 
access to the Lantronix brower-based configuration setup and/or run the 
Lantroix utility software to manage the Device Server.  You can install the 
Lantronix ComPort software on multiple PCs and they can all access a given 
ComPort (one connection at a time) for the KAT500. 

I've used the EDS4100 for a number of years to access my KAT500 remotely using 
the Elecraft Utility running on Win10 on my MacBook Pro running Parallels to 
create a Win10 Virtual Machine.  I also installed it on the shack PC.   I also 
used the EDS4100 (which can support four physical ComPort connections) with my 
KPA500 before I switched to the Remote Rig RC-1216H.   Again, that change was 
done so that I  could access the KPA500 with a web browser.

In summary if it turns out that you’re not satisfied with your current 
approach, I heartily recommend using the KAT500 Utility software to manage the 
KAT500 as I’ve outlined.  You'll have access to the same front panel controls 
as you would sitting in front of the Tuner:  Power, Tune, Memorize, Mode 
(Automatic, Manual, Bypass), Antenna (1-2-3).  You’ll also have   “Other” 
options (Caps on Ant Side, Bypassed, Attenuator, Amp Key Interrupt) and the 
software  shows you the "Last Observed” Frequency, VFWD, VRFL, SWR, ByPass SWR, 
Band, and Tune State. It also displays the capacitance (pF) and Inductance (nH) 
of the tuned ’solution’.  

FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW/1

> Thanks,
> Gordon - N1MGO
> 
> On 10/10/2020 11:19 AM, Barry Baines wrote:
>> Gordon:
>> 
>> I know you’ve received several e-mails pertaining to your query.  Hopefully, 
>> my comments below will be helpful...
>> 
>>> On Oct 9, 2020, at 2:13 PM, Gordon LaPoint >> <mailto:gordon.lapo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use the KAT500 remote software and it works great. I have only one 
>>> problem with it, I can not tell if the power is on or off. This matters 
>>> because when the remote site looses power the state of the KAT500 is 
>>> unknown and the program does not indicate if the power is ON or OFF.  Is 
>>> there a way to tell?
>>> 
>>> I can keep trying the POWER button then the TUNE button until it works, but 
>>> it would be much better for a positive indication of the power state by 
>>> button color or some other indication in the application.
>>> 
>>> I have set the "Initial Power" in the KAT500 utility to be "Power On" when 
>>> DC  is applied, but not sure this is always observed.  I have no other way 
>>> to see the remote site when this happens.
>> 
>> That is the key step.  With “Initial Power set to Power On” when DC is 
>> applied, the

Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 remote

2020-10-10 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
Gordon:

I know you’ve received several e-mails pertaining to your query.  Hopefully, my 
comments below will be helpful...

> On Oct 9, 2020, at 2:13 PM, Gordon LaPoint  wrote:
> 
> I use the KAT500 remote software and it works great. I have only one problem 
> with it, I can not tell if the power is on or off. This matters because when 
> the remote site looses power the state of the KAT500 is unknown and the 
> program does not indicate if the power is ON or OFF.  Is there a way to tell?
> 
> I can keep trying the POWER button then the TUNE button until it works, but 
> it would be much better for a positive indication of the power state by 
> button color or some other indication in the application.
> 
> I have set the "Initial Power" in the KAT500 utility to be "Power On" when DC 
>  is applied, but not sure this is always observed.  I have no other way to 
> see the remote site when this happens.

That is the key step.  With “Initial Power set to Power On” when DC is applied, 
the KAT500 will indeed always be on when power is applied.  The question is 
what happens if power is removed and recognizing that the KAT500 is without 
power.  

The Elecraft Utility tests for a Com Port connection when it opens.  If the 
KAT500 is not on, the utility will not see the KAT500’s com port and it will be 
unable to connect.  If the KAT500 is on, the connection to the PC will 
established (assuming your RS232 cable is connected to a PC).  You can see the 
results in one of two ways:

1.  Under the Port Tab, selecting that and you’ll see a box open reporting the 
connection and the serial speed of that connection, or

2.  Under the Firmware Tab, there is an activity log that shows the sequence of 
events to open the Com Port and establish a connection.

If the KAT500 does not have power, these tests will fail.  Under the 
Firmware->Activity Log you’ll see entries stating (for example):

10:56:02 Attempting to contact KAT500 on port COM2 at 38400 bit/s

as it scrolls through different baud rates attempting to connect.  If you see 
this, the KAT500 is not getting power.

Presumably you have a way to remotely turn on the power supply connection to 
the KAT500. When power is restored you’ll see confirmation in the activity log:

10:59:39 KAT500 version 01.75. Serial port speed 38400 bit/s


I use a West Mountain Radio R40051 which is a web-based device that has five 
power ports (Anderson Power Poles) where one provides power to the K3, a second 
port provides power to the KAT500, a third port provides power to the Remote 
Rig, and a fourth port provides power to the Antenna Genius 8x2.  Thus, I can 
shutdown/recycle these devices remotely. I shutdown the equipment when severe 
storms are expected, or it appears that there may be a glitch that a reboot 
might resolve.  Given that I’m currently 1,280 miles from the shack, redundancy 
in the form of being able to power down/power up equipment is a nice feature.

I can also remotely shutdown and restart the power supply that powers my 
Elecraft equipment  (except the KPA500 which is on 240VAC) by using an AC-PWR 
module from WMR that allows the R40051 to power on/off the power supply through 
a different port on the same R40051.  I use a 3A power supply to power the 
R4005i (it is always on) and second 30A power supply to power the 
K3-KAT500-Remote Rig-Antenna Genius.  

The KPA500 is controlled separately through a Remote Rig RC-1216H that provides 
a web-based screen mimicking the KPA500 front panel where I can power on/off 
and set standby/operate through the interface as well as see the LED meters,  
As I use Remote Rig with the K3, the K3/0-mini activates the K3 when the Mini 
is powered on.  I also use a second RC-1216H to control my Green Heron rotor 
controller.

BTW, I did a copy/paste of the Activity Log remotely to provide this 
information to you  as I use a PC in the shack to control the KAT500 and 
connect via VNC Client from my MacBook Pro.  I accessed the R4005i directly 
through a web browser to be able to turn on/off the KAT500 with a MacBook Pro.  
Thus, I don’t need a PC at my location to control my station as I can use an 
iPhone or iPad to do it as well.  The station is in Southeast Georgia and I’m 
currently in Rosllndale (Boston), MA.

Hope this helps,

Barry, WD4ASW/1



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> Any suggestions?
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Line Out audio input to Remote Rig RRC 1258 MKII

2020-10-01 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
Frank:

> On Oct 1, 2020, at 1:53 PM, VO1HPFrank  wrote:
> 
> I have a Remote K3 using K3 Mini at my home shack.  The audio output  from
> the remote K3 is taken from the SPKRS jack and fed to the Audio IN jack on
> the RR box.  I have often wondered about taking audio from the LINE OUT jack
> and feed that audio to the RR Box. 
> 
> Doing this would allow me to use the radio when I am at the remote site
> without having to reach behind the radio in the rack and UNPLUG the audio
> cable so I can hear the speaker.  Several times I have left the site with
> out plugging the audio cable back in which renders the remote useless when I
> arrive home.


I’m also using the K3/0-mini with Remote Rig. I have a splitter installed on 
the speaker output port where one connection goes to powered speakers in the 
shack and the other connection goes to Remote Rig.  Nothing to unplug and then 
forgetting to reconnect and the external speakers provide better fidelity than 
the K3’s internal speaker.

> 
> I know the level of the LINE OUT is variable in the CONFIG menu.  Does the
> AF control on the K3 Mini also  control the level of the audio to the Mini
> speakers --- that audio would be fed to the remote RR box  from the LINE OUT
> jack on the remote K3.?

Keep in mind that the K3/Mini-0 controls what is happening at the K3.  So the 
question is what happens at the shack using the speaker volume knob there.  
When changing the speaker volume at the K3/0-mini you’re also changing the 
volume of whatever is happening at the shack’s speaker output.  Thus, in my 
case, if the powered speakers at the shack are left on and I change the volume 
level on the K3/0-mini, it is also changing the volume level going to the 
powered speakers in the shack.  

IF LINE OUT is a variable in the CONFIG menu, whatever you change on the 
K3/0-Mini when in Config mode for Line Out will control the Line Level going 
out at the K3.  As I understand it, setting LIN OUT includes both volume level 
and the control of volume.  Tapping ‘1’ will change LIN Out to = PHOnES, and 
the audio level is controlled by the AF/SUB gain controls.  In addition, you 
would need to set SPKR + PH to yES so that audio is still provided to the 
Speaker when Phones is in use.  That way, you don’t have to change the audio 
output at the K3 when using it either by the K3/0-Mini or directly in the 
shack.  However, this also means that when you’re at the remote site, the K3 
Speaker will be active when operating remotely.


Presumably you could connect your RR Box to this connection instead of speakers 
and this may indeed provide what you’re looking for.   What you’ll need to 
determine is whether the provided audio Line Level output will be sufficient to 
drive the K3/0-Mini internal speaker.   I don’t know if the Remote Rig audio 
will compensate for different levels provided by the the K3 speaker jack versus 
the K3 Line Out jack.

It seems to me that the simplest solution to your concerns is simply insert a 
splitter in the K3 speaker out jack and share the audio with external speakers 
at the shack along with the Remote Rig box.  With the arrangement, there is 
nothing to plug/unplug when you’re back in the ham shack and the process for 
speaker audio level control remains unchanged.

FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW/1
(Currently in Boston/Roslindale, MA


> 
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Re: [Elecraft] SVGA Screen save to memory stick

2020-09-26 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
Don:

> On Sep 26, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 
> Mike,
> 
> Connector #22 is a USB port for a keyboard, not a general USB port.  It is 
> clearly labeled "KEYBOARD".

You're absolutely correct to note the labeling and I’ve always presumed that is 
the connector is only for a keyboard.  

However, the "P3 HIgh-Performance Owner’s Manual" (Revision F, 11 JAN 16 p.12) 
does have this description of that connector:

"KEYBOARD: USB jack for a USB keyboard or thumb drive (mass storage device). 
Apple keyboards are not supported at this time.”


So the wording does suggest compatibility with thumb drives, but from what I 
can tell there is no discussion in the “Owner’s Manual" about how to utilize a 
thumb drive.  Perhaps this may be a feature that was never actually developed.


FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW/1
(Currently in Boston/Roslindale, MA)


> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 9/26/2020 7:21 PM, Mike Flowers wrote:
>> I have successfully captured a P3 screen image.
>> Elecraft P3 Utility > Capture Image Tab> Capture Image button - this 
>> captures the image then displays 'Bitmap copied to Windows Clipboard' - then 
>> paste from the Clipboard into Paint or other app and save in the image 
>> format of your choice.
>> My P3 manual states:  "Connector openings {16}, {17}, {21}, and {22} are 
>> provided for future use."   I think #22 is the USB port on the back of the 
>> P3.
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Re: [Elecraft] Cheap keyer paddle?

2020-09-18 Thread Barry
You could use your keyboard with N1MM.  Won't cost you anything.

Barry W2UP



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[Elecraft] K2 issue or is it?

2020-09-15 Thread barry halterman
Greetings folks. My K2 has a snapping sound when tuning the band regardless
of mode and it seems to happen when I am close to a signal...within 4 khz
or so. The snapping sound can be very strong sending the s meter soaring.
Not only does the s meter go soaring, so do my ears!
At this point I am not sure if this is more or less the nature of the
beast
Don't remember reading anything in the reviews about this oddity.
Barry
K3Bo
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Re: [Elecraft] With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this email list with a forum?

2020-09-07 Thread Barry
I use Nabble, too.  It's better than email, but it's been broken for years. 
Often, responses to a topic is split from the original, and 99% of posts
wind up in the main section, rather than parsed to the subheadings by radio.

Barry W2UP


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> I use and go to Nabble. No emails from the list come to me.
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this email list with a forum?

2020-09-06 Thread Barry
My point is there's no need to hit a DELETE key in a forum with a list of
subject titles that one may choose to read, or not.  Email lists are 1980s
technology.  
Barry W2UP


Nr4c wrote
> Hmmm...  “DELETE” is your friend.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Sep 6, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Barry 

> w2up@

>  wrote:
>> 
>> David Gilbert-2 wrote
>>> And as others have pointed out, there is already a K4 forum on .io . 
>>> why doesn't that work for you??
>>> 
>>> Dave   AB7E
>> 
>> Because I'm not looking for a K4 forum.  I'm looking to AVOID all the K4
>> traffic that will be comping.
>> 
>> Barry W2UP
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Re: [Elecraft] With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this email list with a forum?

2020-09-06 Thread Barry
David Gilbert-2 wrote
> And as others have pointed out, there is already a K4 forum on .io . 
> why doesn't that work for you??
> 
> Dave   AB7E

Because I'm not looking for a K4 forum.  I'm looking to AVOID all the K4
traffic that will be comping.

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[Elecraft] KRC2 wanted

2020-09-06 Thread barry halterman
Anyone have a KRC2 in working condx willing to sell, built or unbuilt?
Contact me off the forum please.
Thx
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[Elecraft] With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this email list with a forum?

2020-09-06 Thread Barry
With ever increasing volume, sure to increase exponentially when the K4's
start coming, is it time to replace this list with a forum?

Yes, emails can be filtered, but does it make sense to download hundreds of
emails when only a handful are of interest due to your equipment inventory?

Barry W2UP



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Re: [Elecraft] my KPA1500 and 160M

2020-09-03 Thread Barry Simpson
This is an increasingly ungentlemanly debate.

I am not an engineer nor do I claim any expertise in or knowledge of the
subject under discussion.

However, after a very rapid Google search, the following website would
appear to provide some authoritative information.

Please note that I have only identified it from the subject heading and I
have not read it.

https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/4051871

Best regards to both of you.

Barry Simpson  VK2BJ



On Thu, 3 Sep 2020 at 16:18, Adrian  wrote:

>
> Do you ever see slices of ferrite core used in capacitors, how do you
> think that would work  ?
>
> I bet you won't charge that one up.Putting metal laden material between
> charged poles is not a good idea.
>
> They usually stick to using a thin non metallic insulator with good
> insulation properties, otherwise known as a true dielectric.
>
>
> Ferrite cores are not a dielectric
>
>
>
> by David Gilbert ;
>
> >
> > Note the term "*ceramic*".  In what world do you live where ceramics
> > don't have dielectric properties?  Ever heard of ceramic capacitors?
> >
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] How much room when packing a K3S and P3 in a box

2020-08-27 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
AE4PB:

> On Aug 27, 2020, at 18:08, ae...@carolinaheli.com wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> I'm packing my K3s and P3 in a Pelican 1550 case. This is just to protect
> the rig while it's in storage until we can get into our new house. 
> How much foam packing around the rig is sufficient? I'd like to put the rig
> and P3 next to each other only separated by the rubber feet on the K3. 
> If I do this I believe I can get about an inch on the sides and  maybe 2 or
> more inches front/back/top/bottom. 

At the risk of asking a dumb question

If your gear is going into storage and you’re not transporting your K3s/P3 via 
aircraft, train, or auto on a trip, why not simply pack them in their original 
packaging as they came from Elecraft?  If you didn’t keep the packaging, use a 
U-Haul box with bubble wrap or other protective inserts.  

Pelican cases are nice (I have one for my K3/I0-Mini and Remote Rig combo for 
taking them to various locations to operate) but they are not cheap and given 
their form factor will not ‘stack’ as well in a storage unit if all you’re 
going to do is put them in storage.

FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
(Currently in Boston/Roslindale, MA)

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Re: [Elecraft] Inverted L for 160 meters

2020-08-25 Thread Barry LaZar

Kevin,

    Be careful when doing these comparisons. A 1/4 wave over a ground 
plane unless it has a really good radial system may not be as efficient 
than your inverted L. What I would normally suggest is an A/B test using 
signal strength at the receiving station, but that has it flaws also, 
what's the pattern.


73,

Barry

K3NDM

On 8/25/2020 8:21 PM, kevinr wrote:
I am hearing quite a difference between my inverted V and my 1/4 wave 
over a ground plane.  For the last few weeks I've been hearing less 
noise on the vertical.  Enough less to pull more ops out of the 
noise.  When I try the inverted L I expect there to be a little more 
noise than the vertical, but less than the doublet. Now to test that 
hypothesis.


   Kevin.  KD5ONS


On 8/25/20 5:04 PM, David Gilbert wrote:


Pretty sure there are some significant pattern differences between 
ANY horizontal antenna and a vertical one on 160m ... at least at 
heights practical for amateur radio purposes.


That's probably why.

Dave  AB7E


On 8/25/2020 4:49 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
Good gracious.  Why does everyone overthink 160m?  OK, maybe just 
because it's fun.  I get that.


But as to operation, I have one (1) antenna, and it is a 360 foot 
EDZ (dipole) cut for 3.5 MHz.  It's great on all bands, 160 - 6m.  
No radials needed.


Specifically I worked 47 of the 50 states in one 24 hour period on 
160m (holdouts were AK, HI and NV - all picked up within a day or two).


I could 'splain more, if anyone is interested.

73
Lyn, W0LEN



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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 6:24 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] Inverted L for 160 meters

  From what I can find, and what I can calculate, five wires, each ~130
feet long, could make a nice inverted L for 160 meters.  One leg for 
the

vertical and horizontal portion of the antenna.  Four legs for the
counterpoise (ground plane).  There are many broken wire antennas 
stored

in my shed which are fodder for the radials. Do all of the legs for the
counterpoise need to be 1/4 wavelength or can I substitute some shorter
lengths?  The feedpoint should somewhere above 50 ohms impedance.  As I
add more radials that number will reach 50 ohms asymptotically.

I can get the vertical part up to 70 or 80 feet above ground with the
rest of it horizontal.  Most of the radiation should take place from 
the
vertical part since it is closer to the feed point.  But there 
should be

some effect from the direction of the horizontal portion.  How strongly
does the direction of the horizontal portion effect the radiation
pattern of the antenna system?  My property allows me to point it from
300 degrees around to 200 degrees so I have plenty of options. Between
200 and 300 degrees there is a road used by loggers, and the folks
maintaining the towers at the top of this mountain.  They can break any
antenna lower than 80 feet above ground.  Spar poles and cranes clear
out any dead limbs across the road.

Inquiring minds...

Kevin.  KD5ONS

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Re: [Elecraft] Inverted L for 160 meters

2020-08-25 Thread Barry LaZar

Kevin,

    Your instincts are right on. But, to answer your question the  
radials do not need to be 130' long, but it is better than a shorter 
set. The inverted L represents a 1/4 wave over ground and needs the 
other half, the radials. But, here is where it gets a little tricky. 5 
radials are not enough if they are on the ground, but elevate them and 5 
starts to represent a better counterpoise. I have a 132 feet of wire for 
an inverted L but, I only go vertical for ~61'. I, too, have only 5 
radials and they vary in length to fit my backyard; the horizontal 
section of my antenna goes over the house. The antenna does work well on 
160-40 meters, and 1/2 the time I use it on 30 and 1/2 the time  I use a 
20 meter vertical dipole on 30; it's a pattern thing.  And, I have only 
these two antennas.


    I do have a suggestion. That is feed your inverted L with a remote 
antenna tuner. This will allow your antenna to be used on other bands 
and keep loses low on the transmission line when high SWRs are present, 
and they will be. How much loss? that will depend on the feed line you use.


On 8/25/2020 7:58 PM, kevinr wrote:
Two reasons why I want to use an inverted L.  One) it fits my property 
well.  Two) I have never tried one before.


I currently have an extra long doublet.  I can't remember the exact 
length but seem to remember over 120 feet for each leg.  The tuner on 
my K3 just won't match it below 2:1.0 so I don't want to transmit on 
it.  It hears well enough but just won't match.


Reason number two pushes me onward :)

   73,  Kevin.  KD5ONS


On 8/25/20 4:49 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
Good gracious.  Why does everyone overthink 160m?  OK, maybe just 
because it's fun.  I get that.


But as to operation, I have one (1) antenna, and it is a 360 foot EDZ 
(dipole) cut for 3.5 MHz.  It's great on all bands, 160 - 6m.  No 
radials needed.


Specifically I worked 47 of the 50 states in one 24 hour period on 
160m (holdouts were AK, HI and NV - all picked up within a day or two).


I could 'splain more, if anyone is interested.

73
Lyn, W0LEN



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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 6:24 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] Inverted L for 160 meters

  From what I can find, and what I can calculate, five wires, each ~130
feet long, could make a nice inverted L for 160 meters.  One leg for the
vertical and horizontal portion of the antenna.  Four legs for the
counterpoise (ground plane).  There are many broken wire antennas stored
in my shed which are fodder for the radials. Do all of the legs for the
counterpoise need to be 1/4 wavelength or can I substitute some shorter
lengths?  The feedpoint should somewhere above 50 ohms impedance.  As I
add more radials that number will reach 50 ohms asymptotically.

I can get the vertical part up to 70 or 80 feet above ground with the
rest of it horizontal.  Most of the radiation should take place from the
vertical part since it is closer to the feed point.  But there should be
some effect from the direction of the horizontal portion.  How strongly
does the direction of the horizontal portion effect the radiation
pattern of the antenna system?  My property allows me to point it from
300 degrees around to 200 degrees so I have plenty of options. Between
200 and 300 degrees there is a road used by loggers, and the folks
maintaining the towers at the top of this mountain.  They can break any
antenna lower than 80 feet above ground.  Spar poles and cranes clear
out any dead limbs across the road.

Inquiring minds...

Kevin.  KD5ONS

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Re: [Elecraft] Rear Mike Jack Question

2020-08-24 Thread Barry
On a semi-related note, I don't understand why manufacturers continue to put
a mic jack, with its overly bulky mating connector, on the front panel.  It
always gets in the way.

Barry W21UP 



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Re: [Elecraft] Seeking comments on Ham Expo from participants

2020-08-22 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
Rick:


> On Aug 22, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Rick NK7I  wrote:
> 
> I agree and there was apparently some cheating involved too, requiring a 
> resolution after the fact.


While I spent the weekend at the Expo, I did not sign up for the ‘contest.’  
First, it wasn’t clear how to do that and second, it seemed to me that my 
preferences for how I intended to spend my time viewing presentations and 
resulting Q would be counter-productive towards a ‘winning’ score.

> 
> If prizes are offered, just make it "They showed up here (each vendor), so 
> they're entered into a random drawing", just like any other hamfest.  
> Appearance equates to one (only) 'ticket'.

Given that winners have been announced, it would be interesting to see how many 
points were racked up by the top 10 winners and how they were generated.  My 
hypothesis is that if the focus is on ‘contesting’, then one needs to fully 
appreciate the rules and determine a strategy for ‘hitting spots’ that 
maximizes points over the course of the weekend.  I suspect that such a 
strategy would result in lost opportunities to see presentations in full, be 
involved with Q sessions, chat with vendors on specific topics of interest, 
peruse materials of interest at various vendors, and simply take full advantage 
of the opportunity to “talk ham radio’ with those attending.  Contesting also 
introduces stress and a focus on maximizing points/QSOs per unit of time, which 
is counter to the idea of taking time to fully benefit from the resources being 
offered at the Expo.  

Consequently, I ignored the ‘contest’, and I as I would normally do at 
Hamcation or Hamvention, mapped out in advance the specific presentations I 
wanted to see and ensured that my iPhone would alert me when a presentation of 
interest was about to begin.  And rather than having to rush to  a forum room 
and squeeze by other attendees to get a seat (as what happens at in-person 
events), I then sat back on my desk chair  and ‘got educated’.  If there was a 
break in the presentation schedule, I checked the various commercial booths 
that were of interest to me and asked questions/got answers, took a look at the 
documents being offered at these booths of interest and ended each day feeling 
that I had spent my time well.  

Elecraft and others did a great job with their presentations and willingness to 
’talk up’ their products.  In some respects I learned more at this Expo than at 
prior hamfests.  I suspect this was due to the presenters taping their 
’schtick’ which allowed them more carefully plan/script how they using their 
allocated time and to redo/edit/modify as necessary to make a better product, 
and there weren’t interruptions/distractions that occur when things are done 
live.  The Q was generally excellent.

Now, with all that said, the one thing that a hamfest has that the Expo does 
not is the face-to-face personal interaction.  I look forward to hamfests 
because of the people and the opportunity to see friends and meet new ones.  
Yes, I also enjoy the fun of getting there and checking out the flea market 
looking at the latest/greatest gizmos, and having dinner with friends.  
Hopefully, we’ll be able to enjoy one another’s company in 2021 at both Orlando 
and Xenia and every other hamfest in between.  

FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
(Currently in Boston/Roslindale, MA)



> 
> 73,
> Rick NK7I
> 
> PS I watched after, those days were already filled with family things.  Being 
> able to see what I wanted on my own schedule, really nice.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Mini - Local Connection

2020-08-19 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
David:

> On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:17 PM, David Bondy  wrote:
> 
> I read some discussion on this a while ago but could not find if it was ever 
> resolved.
> 
> If I wanted to connect my K3/0 Mini locally to my K3, can it be done just by 
> a cable (or cables) without having to use a pair of RemoteRig 1258MKIIs?

The issue is how to get all of the connections from the K3/0-Mini to the K3.  
The “Elecraft K3-Remote Owner’s Manual” (Revision D, April 3, 2014) discusses 
two methods of installing the K3-Remote variants:

1. Via the RemoteRig 1258MKII approach that connects to your personal K3 at the 
ham shack and a second RemoteRig to the K3-Remote.  This is what I’ve done.

2.  Using the K3-Remote via a PC through a USB connection.  This is meant to 
provide access to on-line remote Ham rig services such as “Remote Hams’.  I 
have no idea what interface(s) are installed at these sites to their K3s.  

> 
> My K3 is in a rack a little distance away from my ideal operating position 
> and the K3/0 Mini sits nicely on my desk but it seems a bit of a faff to have 
> to use the two RR boxes connected via an ethernet cable.

I don’t know whether the two Remote Rigs would work directly connected through 
a reverse cable, you’d probably have to connect both to a LAN where both 
devices would be assigned a local IP address (either static or dynamic).  

FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
(Currently in Boston/Roslindale, MA)


> 
> Anyone know whether there was ever a plan for a ‘local’ remote connection?
> 
> Thanks. David G4NRT / Z21NRT
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Re: [Elecraft] Lightning protection.

2020-08-17 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
Dave:

> On Aug 15, 2020, at 11:05 AM, Dave Baxter via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> FYI.
> 
> RS232 (and other serial link type) LEMP (Lightning Electro Magnetic Pulse)
> surge protectors are available from several vendors, and not that
> expensive, compared to the cost of a rig, or top range PC.
> 
> Often wonder why (other than expence) fibre optic links are not used.  CAT
> & audio over a LAN or USB FO link?
> 
> Would help general EMC issues too.

Following a lightning incident back in 2014, I followed the adage that Al, N4ZZ 
put out about using Fiber in the shack for ethernet connections.  I have four 
fiber lines from the house to the garage/hamshack that replaced two ethernet 
lines. Each is 111. ft long.  Each line carries a grouping of connections such 
as one for my Flex system, one for my Electraft system, one for Broadcastify 
and data collection, and the fourth for ‘all other’.  I have my network in the 
shack segregated so that if the Flex system goes out the Elecraft system will 
hopefully continue. Given that I primarily operate remotely, redundancy in 
amateur operations is critical because it may be 4-6 weeks between visits to 
the ham shack that is over 1,280 miles away.

I also use fiber as a ‘fire break’ between network switches in the shack and 
high value equipment such as transceivers.  

I haven’t found suitable fiber media converters for RS232 or USB.  I still have 
Telco and CATV coax running between the house and shack; it would be nice to 
find a fiber media converter for those lines as well.   I will probably remove 
them given they are not currently in use.  



FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Questions

2020-08-15 Thread Barry LaZar
Grant,
 I know how you feel. It seems I'm missing a bunch of information. I
guess it must be my advancing age.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

On Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 11:53 AM Grant Youngman  wrote:

> I recall that Eric answered a question about that during one of the two 90
> minute Q at the Expo.
>
> I think he said it may be available at some point, but indicated it was
> possibly over ethernet (?) rather than USB.  But I could be mistaken, since
> I’m lucky to remember my name unless I look at my driver’s license … if I
> can remember where that is :-)
>
> Whichever it is, it didn’t sound like it was going to be a first release
> feature.
>
> Grant NQ5T
>
> > On Aug 15, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Barry LaZar  wrote:
> >
> > Bill,
> > I really don't know. If it was posted, I missed it.
> >
> > 73,
> > Barry
> > K3NDM
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 2:27 AM Nr4c  wrote:
> >
> >> Barry
> >>
> >> Did I read months ago that I/Q might be available on USB?  Or was it
> posed
> >> as a question or suggestion?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> ...nr4c. bill
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 15, 2020, at 12:03 AM, Bob Wilson, N6TV  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 5:51 PM Barry LaZar 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> is the pan presentation fixed as to frequency span or can the
> frequency
> >>>> span be adjusted; I typically use 25-50 KHz on CW or
> >>>> less on data modes.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Span and center frequency are adjustable.  Fixed or tracking mode is
> >>> available.  Scrolling mode (to prevent VFO cursor from going off
> screen)
> >>> has different options, similar to P3:  full page, half page, slide,
> etc.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Next can the xvter IF out be used as the IF out on the K4D?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Probably it will work the same as a K3.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Or, is the I available for use o0n applications like CW Skimmer;
> This
> >>>> requires a MME format.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I don't think that will work.  Connecting a separate SDR to RX ANT OUT
> >>> would be a simpler way to do it.  A program like HDSDR can keep the SDR
> >>> frequency in sync with the K4 frequency.
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>> Bob, N6TV
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Questions

2020-08-15 Thread Barry LaZar
Bill,
 I really don't know. If it was posted, I missed it.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

On Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 2:27 AM Nr4c  wrote:

> Barry
>
> Did I read months ago that I/Q might be available on USB?  Or was it posed
> as a question or suggestion?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
> > On Aug 15, 2020, at 12:03 AM, Bob Wilson, N6TV  wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 5:51 PM Barry LaZar 
> wrote:
> >
> >> is the pan presentation fixed as to frequency span or can the frequency
> >> span be adjusted; I typically use 25-50 KHz on CW or
> >> less on data modes.
> >
> >
> > Span and center frequency are adjustable.  Fixed or tracking mode is
> > available.  Scrolling mode (to prevent VFO cursor from going off screen)
> > has different options, similar to P3:  full page, half page, slide, etc.
> >
> >
> >> Next can the xvter IF out be used as the IF out on the K4D?
> >
> >
> > Probably it will work the same as a K3.
> >
> >
> >> Or, is the I available for use o0n applications like CW Skimmer; This
> >> requires a MME format.
> >>
> >
> > I don't think that will work.  Connecting a separate SDR to RX ANT OUT
> > would be a simpler way to do it.  A program like HDSDR can keep the SDR
> > frequency in sync with the K4 frequency.
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Questions

2020-08-14 Thread Barry LaZar

Bob,

    Thanks much for the response.

73,

Barry

K3NDM

On 8/15/2020 12:01 AM, Bob Wilson, N6TV wrote:
On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 5:51 PM Barry LaZar <mailto:barrylaz...@gmail.com>> wrote:


 is the pan presentation fixed as to frequency span or can the
frequency span be adjusted; I typically use 25-50 KHz on CW or
less on data modes.


Span and center frequency are adjustable.  Fixed or tracking mode is 
available.  Scrolling mode (to prevent VFO cursor from going off 
screen) has different options, similar to P3:  full page, half page, 
slide, etc.


Next can the xvter IF out be used as the IF out on the K4D? 



Probably it will work the same as a K3.

Or, is the I available for use o0n applications like CW Skimmer;
This requires a MME format.


I don't think that will work.  Connecting a separate SDR to RX ANT OUT 
would be a simpler way to do it.  A program like HDSDR can keep the 
SDR frequency in sync with the K4 frequency.


73,
Bob, N6TV


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[Elecraft] K4 Questions

2020-08-11 Thread Barry LaZar
I just saw the presentation Eric gave on the K4. It is really 
impressive. However, I've never been able to get the answer to a few 
questions. First, is the pan presentation fixed as to frequency span or 
can the frequency span be adjusted; I typically use 25-50 KHz on CW or 
less on data modes. Next can the xvter IF out be used as the IF out on 
the K4D? Or, is the I available for use o0n applications like CW 
Skimmer; This requires a MME format.



I'm sure I will have additional questions over time. But, these are my 
present burning questions. I now have a K3s and think it's a fantastic 
radio.



73,

Barry

K3NDM

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[Elecraft] KAF2 wanted

2020-08-10 Thread barry halterman
Any surplus KAF2 audio filters anyone would want to part with, built or
unbuilt?
Barry
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 remote software question

2020-08-10 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
 (noted at the QSO 
Today Virtual Expo) is that the Tuner Genius is in Alpha Testing with the hope 
that it will be available by the end of the year.  We’ll see.

I don’t doubt for a second the desire of Elecraft to deliver on their vision of 
remote operation for the K4 as well as other capabilities.  Like everyone else, 
they’re struggling with external circumstances beyond their control and it will 
be quite awhile before they are fully back to ’normal’ (whatever that means).  
A new product release is incredibly complex and remote operation is likely a 
lower priority given the ‘all hands on deck’ on getting K4 out to customers.  
The question for those with deposits is whether they feel comfortable accepting 
a product that clearly has a path for future enhancement before those 
enhancements are available and the current product offering will at least meet 
a significant portion of their expectations.  If I had been told by Flex that 
it would be five years before remote capability was actually introduced, I 
probably would not have made that deposit back in 2012…;-)  On the other 
hand, Elecraft’s proven record to date of producing product after initial 
product enhancement is certainly stronger that what I’ve experienced with Flex.

FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
(Currently in Roslindale, MA)


> 
> 73, de steve VE6WZ.
> 
> 
>> After listening to Eric’s EXPO presentation, I thought I heard him say 
>> Elecraft would have an API for developers to develop remote software for the 
>> K4.  I take that to mean that Elecraft will NOT have their own remote 
>> software offering so you must buy a K4/0 until software is available from 
>> 3rd parties.   I had understood previously that Elecraft would actually have 
>> their own software available around the ship date of the K4 so I’ve been 
>> planning for that in my remote project.  I guess I’ll have to switch gears 
>> and delay my remote project further.  I was hoping to have it installed this 
>> year.
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[Elecraft] KX3 surplus stuff available

2020-08-05 Thread barry halterman
Greetings. Since selling my Kx3, I have an interface cable set for Kx3/2 to
a hardrock 50 amp. This has never been used and includes two cables and a
pcb to db9 connector. Asking $25 which includes shipping. I also have a
West mountain radio 15 watt power speaker for anything that needs extra
audio umph. Asking $50 includes shipping.
Thanks for reading
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Re: [Elecraft] That's a whole lotta buttons and knobs!

2020-08-01 Thread Barry
Remember the early days of transistor radios and how they advertised the
number of transistors on the case? The more the better!  Turns out some of
those with big numbers had transistors not connected to anything.

Barry W2UP



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Re: [Elecraft] Free shipping

2020-07-31 Thread Barry Baines via Elecraft
Richard:

> On Jul 31, 2020, at 12:25 PM, Richard Zalewski  wrote:
> 
> My two cents.  We all wish the best for Elecraft.  It has been horrible for
> them and all of us living with this cloud.  Free shipping or whatever I
> don't really care at this point.  What I find fault with is the lack of
> communication.  How hard would it be to have a regular update on the
> progress of the K4 box and other products?  Even if there is no new news
> just say so. I am sorry but the communication has been far less than
> desirable.

While I feel your pain, i don’t believe the "lack of communication” is the 
‘problem’.  The ‘problem’ is that Elecraft is not in position to provide their 
customer base with updates that will meet customer expectations regarding “when 
will Elecraft start shipping product?”  The moment that they make a public 
announcement, their feet will be held to the fire, both by their 
anxious-to-receive customers and themselves.  So as Elecraft continues to work 
hard to get their product released, it doesn’t make sense for them to put out a 
public statement each week stating “We don’t know yet when we’ll be shipping”.  
Such an effort to ‘improve Communication’ will simply further frustrate everyone


> When I look at the Elecraft "stories" the last update on the K4
> was May of 2020.  The last update on in the newsletter was July 2020 with
> virtually nothing on the K4.  Please...as you can see from the
> emails...just tell us what is going on.  99.9% of us are very understanding.


With all due respect, ‘understanding’ has its limits because we all want our 
stuff ’now’.  And if they make an announcement and then modify it, what do you  
think the reaction will be?  More frustration and angst.  

While customers are anxious to get what they ordered, Elecraft’s future is 
totally dependent upon releasing a quality product as soon as they are able to 
do so because of the significant investment they’ve made over the past couple 
of years to create the K4 and they need to gain revenue from the investment to 
maintain their future.  I don’t know their financial position, but I consider 
them to be a ’small business’ which means they don’t have unlimited resources.  
Customers are anxious for a product;  Elecraft is anxious to maintain a 
business, support their employees, and maintain their reputation for quality 
products that exceed customer expectations.  Who’s neck is more on the line 
with each passing day;  the customer or Elecraft?

So give them a break.  The K4 will be released as soon as Elecraft believes 
that all of the ‘ducks’ (logistics, documentation, manufacturing, customer 
support, etc.) are lined up and ready to roll so that when their new product is 
delivered, it will more than meet everyone’s expectations.

FWIW, I’m also a Flex customer and their reputation has been sadly soiled by 
the design/production issues they’ve had over the years.  I ordered a Flex-6700 
in 2012 when it was announced and received it in November 2013. However, 
SmartSDR was woefully inadequate and it wasn’t until May 2017 when version 2.0 
was released that the software allowed the radio to do what they claimed would 
be possible (e.g. remote operation).  In February 2018 I ordered the PGXL 
amplifier with accompanying tuner.  I received the PGXL in May 2018 but I’m 
still waiting for the tuner, making the PGXL “useless” for me to use with a 
EFHW that requires a tuner.  

In the meantime, I purchased a K3-KPA500-KAT500 with the Remote Rig/K3-I0 combo 
in August 2014 so that I could operate remotely as it was clear Flex was years 
behind in software development.  Today, I use both Flex and Elecraft, but the 
ability to use an amplifier on all bands is only with the Elecraft.  Lesson 
learned:  Technology is really difficult to translate into quality products and 
that some companies have a better knack for translating a vision into a viable 
product than others.  I enjoy the Flex system, but it has been a slow, painful 
process for software development and product to get to the point to where the 
product meets stated capabilities.  




FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
(Currently in Folkston, GA)



> 
> Richard
> *W7ZR* ex:5C5Z, CN2ZR, K2JSP, W6SBZ, W7KXR, K9ZIJ, W9KNF, W0KDF, W0MQU,
> J68ZR, KC6ZR, PJ4/W7ZR, KH2,W7ZR, KH6/W7ZR, V31ZR, VK4AAZ, XE2DV
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> *Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer*
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[Elecraft] HR 50 cable set for sale

2020-07-28 Thread barry halterman
I currently have a new, never used, hardrock 50 cable set for the kx3/2
radios. This is the two interface cables and the db9 pcb with the jacks for
easy hookup. Asking $25 includes shipping.
Contact me off line  kthre...@gmail.com if interested.
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[Elecraft] K2 RF power fluctuate

2020-07-26 Thread barry halterman
Greetings. I just completed my K2 build and the RX works great. Wish I
would have done this years ago. One issue I noticed with the transmitter is
that when I press the tune button, the output power will either be above or
below the power control setting. I found this during the transmitter
alignment phase of the build.
If I have the output power set for 2 watts, I get 2.8 or 1.6. if I have the
output set at 10 watts I get 9 or 5 watts. I am using an external watt
meter and I verified that the voltage to the K2 is around 13.6 volts. This
occurs on all bands by the way.
I have checked RF voltages back to the control board at Q8 Valc and found
that the output voltage , at this point, varies by a few tenths of a mv,
thus changing the drive power down the line, changing the output power that
changes the Valc output. Round robin situation!!
Anyone have a similar situation?
Thanks
Barry
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Issue

2020-07-19 Thread Barry Simpson
It sounds like an antenna connector problem .

Sent from my iPhone

> On 20 Jul 2020, at 02:53, w5...@comcast.net wrote:
> 
> ok I'm going to be answering several of your suggestions at once here.
> 
> First, when I powered off last night, I used the power button on the K3 
> itself, I did not kill the power supply first
> 
> The sub RX has been turned off and the RX Ant is NOT selected. Ant 1 is 
> selected and the Antenna IS plugged into the port
> 
> The is NO noise shown on the S meter and I have a pretty constant S3  to S5 
> noise here at my qth.
> 
> Regardless of mode selected there is no power output, the display says 0
> 
> When I activate the tuner, regardless of band, it shows no SWR, says 5 watts 
> out, but there is NO POWER OUT of it. It always acts like it is matching, or 
> sounds like it is.
> 
> Ronnie
> 
> -Original Message- From: Bill Frantz
> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 11:40 AM
> To: w5...@comcast.net
> Cc: Ian Kahn ; Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Issue
> 
> The K3 can get antennas in a bewildering collection of ways. If
> the RX antenna switch is on -- and this was my way of getting on
> reception -- it might be your problem. The K3 can also send
> received signals out on one of the BNC connectors and expect to
> get them back on another.
> 
> I recommend a careful reading of the manual, perhaps in PDF form
> with a search for "antenna". The manual is downloadable from the
> Elecraft web site.
> 
> 73 Bill AE6JV
> 
>> On 7/19/20 at 12:10 PM, w5...@comcast.net wrote:
>> 
>> yes sir.. using antenna port 1 and have it selected.  HOWEVER.. I did move 
>> the antenna to port 2 and selected that port to no improvement. Same issue
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas

2020-07-17 Thread Barry LaZar

Lyn,

    That's a reasonable design, and if you have it high, I am not 
surprised it's working out well for you. Not every ham has the liberty 
to put up, grow, an antenna farm. I am in that position. I have only two 
antennas up, a 20 meter vertical dipole center fed which I operate 20-10 
and feed it with ladder line and an 160 meter inverted L fed at the base 
with a remote tuner. I also have 5 elevated radials of varying length 
connected to the remote tuner , just because. Collectively, they work 
out well. It sometimes amazes me how some wire in a tree or two can be 
used to reach out and touch people. :-) I have never used a beam, but I 
do have a KPA500 and matching tuner which I use primarily for working 
100% duty cycle digital modes. All of my contesting and DX work has been 
at the 100 Watt level, except Field Day when I run QRP. So, good going 
and luck.


73,

Barry

K3NDM


On 7/17/2020 9:18 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:

Barry -

+1

I use nothing but 600 ohm OWL (True Ladder Line) and a short piece of coax 
connects to a 1:1 / 4:1 hybrid balun to allow matching the impedance perfectly 
with my KAT500.

The antenna is a 360' center fed EDZ (design frequency of 3.5 MHz).  The KAT500 
matches it on all bands 160 - 6m (on 15m, it bypasses).

The measured performance indicates  excellent radiation on all bands.

73
Lyn, W0LEN


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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry LaZar
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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas

Wes,

  You're correct that open wire/ladder line transmission lines are
not a panacea. But, in the average ham stations, open wire does overcome
high losses with high SWR, or not so high SWR. What is needed is a look
at the ARRL Antenna book for transmission line loss/100 ft. as a
function of SWR. You see that on 10 meters running 10:1 SWR the total
loss is around 1 db. And, as you go to the lower bands, losses become
less. Typical 400 Ohm ladder line has a loss of 0.2 db at 10 MHz and 0.6
db at 100 MHz. Using these data and a little interpolation, I would use
0.4 db on 10 meters and a 10:1 SWR for this to be 0.8 db of additional
loss for a total of about 1.2 db. Yes, I do use a balun and recommend
them so add another 0.5 db. Add another 0.5 db for a good tuner and we
end up with a total of 2.2 db. on 10 meters and less on 20 and it
decomposes to an academic exercise on 40 and down.

  Coax on 10 starts out with a higher loss/100 feet. I will use what
I use here in K3NDM, Times LMR400. That represents 0.4 at 10 MHz. and
1.4 db at 100 MHz. That will yield about 1.2 db/100 ft on 10 meters. Add
0.25 db for a 2:1 SWR and 0.5 for tuner loss and you end up with about
1.95 at a 2:1 SWR.

  Here coax wins IFF the SWR remains less than 2:1 which won't happen
over the entire commonly used portion of the band. Using ladder line
vice coax will contain losses over the entire band. This keeps things
simple and the cost should be a lot less.

  As to the RCA station with a 14:1 SWR, they used no balun nor tuner
as we commonly know them today. The coupling to the final tube(s) were
balanced and was capable of making the transformation from what the tube
wanted and the reflected impedance at the transmitter end of the
transmission line. Ergo, they had a very low loss if using 10 meters
which they didn't. They typically used frequencies below 18 MHz and a
slug of power.

Vy 73,

Barry

K3NDM


On 7/17/2020 6:57 PM, Wes wrote:

I wrote about some of this in my paper ARRL Antenna Compendium paper
on ladder line 20 years ago. https://sadxa.org/n7ws/Ladder_Line.pdf

I've seen pictures of those SW transmitting plants and always assumed
that they must have been very efficient.  Upon reflection---no pun
intended---now I'm not so sure.  If losses mounted up, (which they
most certainly did at 14:1 SWR) they had the option of just turning up
the wick.

Furthermore, as I said in closing: "Contrary to the conventional
wisdom, ladder line is not a panacea for every transmission line
problem."  In the ensuing 20 years, I've become even more convinced of
this.  When tuner and balun losses are factored into this picture I
don't know why anyone would want to use this stuff.  I sure don't.

I have a KAT500 and use it to tune some way-off resonant antennas (fed
with 7/8" Heliax) but I don't delude myself into thinking "I've
contained system losses."

Wes  N7WS
https://www.qrz.com/db/N7WS


On 7/17/2020 2:32 PM, Barry LaZar wrote:

Resonance is over rated. The problem of believing you must have a
resonant antenna arose with the use of coax cable began. High SWRs
causes high system losses.

Prior to the widespread use of coax, open wire was used and few
antenna systems were really resonant, and nor were they reflecting a
1:1 SWR. Back then, no one cared as tubes were used and pi-net or
swinging links were used to match 

Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas

2020-07-17 Thread Barry LaZar

Wes,

    You're correct that open wire/ladder line transmission lines are 
not a panacea. But, in the average ham stations, open wire does overcome 
high losses with high SWR, or not so high SWR. What is needed is a look 
at the ARRL Antenna book for transmission line loss/100 ft. as a 
function of SWR. You see that on 10 meters running 10:1 SWR the total 
loss is around 1 db. And, as you go to the lower bands, losses become 
less. Typical 400 Ohm ladder line has a loss of 0.2 db at 10 MHz and 0.6 
db at 100 MHz. Using these data and a little interpolation, I would use 
0.4 db on 10 meters and a 10:1 SWR for this to be 0.8 db of additional 
loss for a total of about 1.2 db. Yes, I do use a balun and recommend 
them so add another 0.5 db. Add another 0.5 db for a good tuner and we 
end up with a total of 2.2 db. on 10 meters and less on 20 and it 
decomposes to an academic exercise on 40 and down.


    Coax on 10 starts out with a higher loss/100 feet. I will use what 
I use here in K3NDM, Times LMR400. That represents 0.4 at 10 MHz. and 
1.4 db at 100 MHz. That will yield about 1.2 db/100 ft on 10 meters. Add 
0.25 db for a 2:1 SWR and 0.5 for tuner loss and you end up with about 
1.95 at a 2:1 SWR.


    Here coax wins IFF the SWR remains less than 2:1 which won't happen 
over the entire commonly used portion of the band. Using ladder line 
vice coax will contain losses over the entire band. This keeps things 
simple and the cost should be a lot less.


    As to the RCA station with a 14:1 SWR, they used no balun nor tuner 
as we commonly know them today. The coupling to the final tube(s) were 
balanced and was capable of making the transformation from what the tube 
wanted and the reflected impedance at the transmitter end of the 
transmission line. Ergo, they had a very low loss if using 10 meters 
which they didn't. They typically used frequencies below 18 MHz and a 
slug of power.


Vy 73,

Barry

K3NDM


On 7/17/2020 6:57 PM, Wes wrote:
I wrote about some of this in my paper ARRL Antenna Compendium paper 
on ladder line 20 years ago. https://sadxa.org/n7ws/Ladder_Line.pdf


I've seen pictures of those SW transmitting plants and always assumed 
that they must have been very efficient.  Upon reflection---no pun 
intended---now I'm not so sure.  If losses mounted up, (which they 
most certainly did at 14:1 SWR) they had the option of just turning up 
the wick.


Furthermore, as I said in closing: "Contrary to the conventional 
wisdom, ladder line is not a panacea for every transmission line 
problem."  In the ensuing 20 years, I've become even more convinced of 
this.  When tuner and balun losses are factored into this picture I 
don't know why anyone would want to use this stuff.  I sure don't.


I have a KAT500 and use it to tune some way-off resonant antennas (fed 
with 7/8" Heliax) but I don't delude myself into thinking "I've 
contained system losses."


Wes  N7WS
https://www.qrz.com/db/N7WS


On 7/17/2020 2:32 PM, Barry LaZar wrote:
Resonance is over rated. The problem of believing you must have a 
resonant antenna arose with the use of coax cable began. High SWRs 
causes high system losses.


Prior to the widespread use of coax, open wire was used and few 
antenna systems were really resonant, and nor were they reflecting a 
1:1 SWR. Back then, no one cared as tubes were used and pi-net or 
swinging links were used to match to whatever was connected to the 
transmitter. In fact, I once visited a site that used rhombic 
antennas and Sterba curtains being fed by high power transmitters. 
The feed line were copper pipes about 1/4" in diameter and spaced 
about 4". The SWR, I was told, was 14:1. I asked if that was a 
problem of transferring energy to the system. The answer was no as 
the final output stage could match it and the system losses were low 
due to the type of feed line used. This was a lesson I learned 60 
years ago and haven't forgotten it. The site was the RCA site the 
once stood on Montauck Point on Long Island, New York.


One point that keeps getting forgotten is the conservation of energy 
concept. What that means is energy can only be changed and not lost. 
Typically that means transmitter energy would be changed to heat, but 
not lost. What is not changed to heat on the coax will make it to the 
antenna where it MUST be radiated and not lost.  Yhe practical 
application of this is use really good coax if you can't get to a 
1:1-2:1 SWR, ot there about. Alternatively, use ladder line and a 
current balun. Elecraft tuners easily tune 10:1 SWR which contains 
system losses nicely. I have been doing this for a very long time and 
have achieved WAS, DXCC phone, DXCC CW, and DXCC digital, and, I'm 13 
short on 80 of making 5BDXCC.


73,

Barry

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Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas

2020-07-17 Thread Barry LaZar
Resonance is over rated. The problem of believing you must have a 
resonant antenna arose with the use of coax cable began. High SWRs 
causes high system losses.


Prior to the widespread use of coax, open wire was used and few antenna 
systems were really resonant, and nor were they reflecting a 1:1 SWR. 
Back then, no one cared as tubes were used and pi-net or swinging links 
were used to match to whatever was connected to the transmitter. In 
fact, I once visited a site that used rhombic antennas and Sterba 
curtains being fed by high power transmitters. The feed line were copper 
pipes about 1/4" in diameter and spaced about 4". The SWR, I was told, 
was 14:1. I asked if that was a problem of transferring energy to the 
system. The answer was no as the final output stage could match it and 
the system losses were low due to the type of feed line used. This was a 
lesson I learned 60 years ago and haven't forgotten it. The site was the 
RCA site the once stood on Montauck Point on Long Island, New York.


One point that keeps getting forgotten is the conservation of energy 
concept. What that means is energy can only be changed and not lost. 
Typically that means transmitter energy would be changed to heat, but 
not lost. What is not changed to heat on the coax will make it to the 
antenna where it MUST be radiated and not lost.  Yhe practical 
application of this is use really good coax if you can't get to a 
1:1-2:1 SWR, ot there about. Alternatively, use ladder line and a 
current balun. Elecraft tuners easily tune 10:1 SWR which contains 
system losses nicely. I have been doing this for a very long time and 
have achieved WAS, DXCC phone, DXCC CW, and DXCC digital, and, I'm 13 
short on 80 of making 5BDXCC.


73,

Barry

K3NDM


On 7/17/2020 1:47 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:

Interesting discussion:

But most of us probably tune our antennas for best SWR at the desired 
frequency.


I have a dual-band 80-40m inverted-V with apex at 40-foot and 80m wire 
tail at 20-foot.  The separate 40m wire is spaced 6-inches from the 
80m wire with wooden dowels.  I found by trial-n-error that one must 
tune the lowest frequency wires, first.  I did that using an antenna 
analyzer.  Then the 40m wires.  Turns out (probably due to coupling) 
that the 40m antenna is narrow bw (50-KHz at best) whereas I get good 
SWR from 3650-4000 KHz.


The purist will say that's not resonant but the transmitter is happy.  
I can  run bypass on 3800-4000 KHz with my KXPA100/KXAT100 but must  
tune using the atu on 40m.
For working around Alaska (out to 800-miles) this "cloud burner" works 
well with 100w.  I only use SSB on these bands.  3920 is the defacto 
calling/emcomm channel in AK.


When we have an earthquake, 3920 lights up (as well as 14,292) for 
reporting from our remote areas.  I live two miles from salt-water so 
tsunami watch is common after a "big one".


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 15K Resistor

2020-07-16 Thread barry halterman
Murry, in rf bag 2 should be that 15k.
Barry

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 11:16 AM Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft <
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> Not trying to be a smarty, but take a quick look at list of components in
> each “accessory” building guide.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:23 AM, zk2boy  wrote:
> >
> > Building my K2 serial #6397. The instructions said use a 15K resistor
> to do a mod in the AGC circuit per an application note. It promised an
> extra resistor was included in the K2 kit for this. I did the mod per the
> app note, but find I now am short a 15K resistor for the RF board. My
> question: I have lots of bags of K2 accessories unbuilt yet. Any chance
> somebody with a central database knows if there is a 15K resistor in an
> accessory kit that I could borrow and replace later? I know I don't have
> such a resistor in my junk cupboard.Murray  VA1CQ
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 LCD Backlight Diffuser

2020-07-12 Thread barry halterman
I too am building a K2, sn 7954. They are using a LED bar for the back
light with a spacer instead of the cut off pcb material. The diffuser ends
have cutouts that sit on the LED bars. Wonder where Elecraft found these
gems
Barry

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 1:23 PM Don Wilhelm  wrote:

> Murray,
>
> Those diffuser leads should just touch the top of the board since 2
> spacers are 1/8 inch and the leads are also 1/8 inch.  Solder them from
> the top of the board - being careful so the iron does not touch anything
> but the leads and the solder pads.
>
> If the leads do not touch the solder pads, sand down a spacer so that it
> does just touch.  If there are rough spots on the spacers, sand them off.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/12/2020 1:02 PM, zk2boy wrote:
> > I am just getting around to building my K2 that I purchased in 2008.
> > I've been busy. But I'm having fun now!
> >
> > I have  the K2 Owner's Manual Revision G, May 29, 2007. I also have
> > Errata sheet Rev. G-1, Dec. 12, 2007.
> >
> > In the Front Panel section, page 27, the original instruction advises to
> > use two spacers at each end when installing the LCD backlight diffuser
> > to keep the diffuser exactly 1/8" above the PC board. The Errata sheet
> > clarifies to use the spacers but remove them after soldering the
> > diffuser into place.
> >
> > The issue is that the two spacers are 1/8" thick. The diffuser leads are
> > exactly 1/8" long. This means with the spacers in place, the diffuser
> > leads don't actually reach the solder holes. The lead ends are suspended
> > just above the holes. If I actually manage to line everything up and use
> > rubber bands to hold all in place while I solder (good luck!), the
> > solder would need to bridge up to the ends of the diffuser leads for the
> > soldered connections to hold. This doesn't seem like a good practice.
> >
> > Is there a newer errata sheet? Or am I not understanding this correctly?
> >
> > Murray
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Re: [Elecraft] CW Mush

2020-07-03 Thread Barry
Try some ATT.

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 TERM mode

2020-06-27 Thread Barry
I saw the K4 at Dayton last year.  The remote connection was via Ethernet and
directly between radios with no interface boxes such as remoterig.  So
unless there's also a K3 remote mode via serial port, too, the answer would
be no.

Barry W2UP

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 version A and B

2020-06-25 Thread barry halterman
Thanks for the reply Don. I tried to down load the instruction manual but
get an error "page not found", so wasn't sure what mods were incorporated.

Barry

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 3:25 PM Don Wilhelm  wrote:

> Barry,
>
> All K2s above SN 3000 are revision B - and that is what is being shipped
> today.
>
> The original Field Test and Rev A K2s began to have many mods added to
> them, so finally the boards were laid out again to incorporate all those
> mods onto the new boards - the result was Rev B.  I believe that
> happened in 2003.
>
> A fully upgraded early K2 will perform just like a brand new one.  One
> witness to that fact is my SN 00020 which was a Field Test model.
>
> There are a substantial number of mod kits for the K2, and they are
> listed on the K2 A to B upgrade instruction sheets.
> The one thing that is not covered in those instructions is the
> installation of the upgraded IF crystals (changed at SN 2560) and the
> KSB2 mods such as the PSK mod and the widening of the KSB2 filter to
> 2.4kHz instead of the original 2.1kHz.
>
> Also not covered is upgrading the KPA100 - the KPA100UPKT will bring any
> KPA100 up to the latest level.  The KPA100 does not carry a serial
> number, so the latest level must be determined by inspection.  If
> toroids L16 and at RFC4 have blue cores, it is the latest.  The older
> ones have red cores at L15 and L16.  There have also been upgrades in
> the KPA100 shield.  The latest has a 1/4 inch wide slot above the SO239
> jack and has spring clips that ground the shield to the sides of the
> base K2.  For other than the Field Test KPA100s, the board has not been
> changed.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/25/2020 2:51 PM, barry halterman wrote:
> > Could someone tell me main differences between the version A and B for
> the
> > K2?
> > Is the version B being shipped now if ordered?
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[Elecraft] K2 version A and B

2020-06-25 Thread barry halterman
Could someone tell me main differences between the version A and B for the
K2?
Is the version B being shipped now if ordered?
Thanks
Barry
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Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft K4 has great Rx Audio on CW pileups, no more mush

2020-06-23 Thread Barry


Oops, sorry, I listened to the recording before reading the message!



Double oops.  Me, too!

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Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft K4 has great Rx Audio on CW pileups, no more mush

2020-06-23 Thread Barry
Listening to the recording, I find the thumping during xmit very annoying.

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[Elecraft] KX3 and K3s available

2020-06-22 Thread barry halterman
Thanks for allowing me to post on this group, the K3s, Kx3 and K1 have been
sold!
Barry
K3bo
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[Elecraft] K3s for sale

2020-06-16 Thread barry halterman
I sold the Kx3 and Px3, however I still need a good home for the K3s. It is
very clean, none smoker, and has extra filters BUT no ATU or DVR.
Serious inquiries only.
Thanks for reading
Barry
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Oppopsite Sideband Null question - Redux

2020-06-12 Thread Barry

Mark,
Where did you find the utility? I just search the web and the 
Elecraft site for the utility, but it never showed up.


73,
Barry
K3NDM

-- Original Message --
From: "Mark Forsyth" 
To: "Grant Youngman" 
Cc: "Elecraft Refl" 
Sent: 6/13/2020 12:17:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Oppopsite Sideband Null question - Redux


Hi,
Elecraft have a handy little utility called RxSbNull.exe which does the whole 
process. All you need is an up to date KX3, an up to date XG3, a Windows 
computer and the utility. It works like a charm. Turn the radio volume down 
before you start it though otherwise it’ll annoy the hell out of you.

Cheers
Mark Forsyth
http://jandmf.com
VK3KW


 On 12 Jun 2020, at 11:36 pm, Grant Youngman  wrote:

 Elecraft Tech Support seems (understandably) a bit slow to respond at this 
point.   This is a repeat of a question I asked a few days ago.  Maybe someone 
else will see it and have some insight (?).

 I have redone the opposite sideband null procedure in my KX3 (#8342) with 
KXFL3 filter board, using both the 2013 per-band null procedure, and the 2015 
KXFL3 installation/calibration instructions.  The procedures are essentially 
the same, with a minor difference in RIT setting, and the fact that the KXFL3 
installation manual calls this out only on 20M rather than on each band 
individually.

 With my XG3 as a signal source,  I get an excellent opposite sideband null 
using either FL1 or FL2 bandwidth settings on all bands.  With narrow bandwidth 
and FL3 switched in, the null is very broad and shallow, and the opposite 
sideband is reduced only on the order of 10dB (+/-) rather than the very deep 
nulls (60+ dB) obtainable with FL1/FL2.  As a result, the opposite sideband 
remains clearly audible when tuning across a signal — say CW at 500 Hz 
bandwidth, etc.

 If anyone else out there has done either of these procedures, did you get as 
deep a null with FL3 as with FL1/FL2?  I’m trying to determine if this is 
normal, or if there's an issue in the radio, possibly with my KXFL3 board.

 Thanks … Grant NQ5T
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 on motorboat.

2020-06-12 Thread Barry

Don,
I never got the chance to work as a scientist. It might have been 
fun. I did enjoy doing designs to products, but there were times when I 
was ready to change career field. :-\


73,
Barry
K3NDM

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Sent: 6/10/2020 9:46:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 on motorboat.


Barry,

Sometimes we have to put on the Scientists hat, but when the rubber meets the 
road and we have to come up with a product, we have to put on the design 
engineers hat and say that how much compromise is required to meet 1) customer 
demands, 2) budget constraints, 3) speed to first customer shipment, 4) 
adherence to the initial specifications that have been published.
If you can meet 2 of the 4 above, you have done OK, 3 is better, but takes more 
effort.

I worked both as a design engineer and as a Product Assurance Test Team Leader 
whose efforts were to test the product to conform to the specifications or fix 
it - an alternative was to change the specifications, which usually did not sit 
well with me, but was reality.

73,
W3FPR

On 6/10/2020 7:55 PM, Barry wrote:

Don,
I worked as a design engineer and then transitioned to system 
engineering/project management. In those latter days, I would receive a 
requirement set from which I needed to make sense. I also had budgetary issues 
that were built in, more requirements than money.  And, there might have been 
other conflicts. So, I know what e had to do, maximize the number of 
requirements satisfied with in the set.

Yes. We engineers were pretty well trained, but when making decisions on 
what had to go or be included it wasn't always a 2+2 = 4 which is precise. 
Mathematicians are precise and there may be only answer to the equation, but 
that wasn't the world I was living in; I could have many different solutions 
based on the requirements. This is the point I was trying to make.






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Re: [Elecraft] K3 on motorboat.

2020-06-10 Thread Barry

Don,
Yep. You do understand what I was trying to say. What a lot of folks 
don't understand is that the compromises I make may or may not be those 
that you would make, and if there were more engineers involved, there 
could be that many reflections of what needs to be done. All I can say 
is life sometimes was challenging.


Ham radio reflects a lot of the things you and I faced. For 
instance, what antenna should be used. All the answers may be 
technically correct, but try and fit a 80 meter antenna into a 20 meter 
antenna. I know there will be a host of ideas on what should go in. Each 
will be a compromise. Look to this reflector to see what I mean. Each 
ham has his own idea of what needs to be done; it gets down to how you 
interpret the requirement set.


73,
Barry
K3NDM

-- Original Message --
From: "Don Wilhelm" 
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Sent: 6/10/2020 9:46:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 on motorboat.


Barry,

Sometimes we have to put on the Scientists hat, but when the rubber meets the 
road and we have to come up with a product, we have to put on the design 
engineers hat and say that how much compromise is required to meet 1) customer 
demands, 2) budget constraints, 3) speed to first customer shipment, 4) 
adherence to the initial specifications that have been published.
If you can meet 2 of the 4 above, you have done OK, 3 is better, but takes more 
effort.

I worked both as a design engineer and as a Product Assurance Test Team Leader 
whose efforts were to test the product to conform to the specifications or fix 
it - an alternative was to change the specifications, which usually did not sit 
well with me, but was reality.

73,
W3FPR

On 6/10/2020 7:55 PM, Barry wrote:

Don,
I worked as a design engineer and then transitioned to system 
engineering/project management. In those latter days, I would receive a 
requirement set from which I needed to make sense. I also had budgetary issues 
that were built in, more requirements than money.  And, there might have been 
other conflicts. So, I know what e had to do, maximize the number of 
requirements satisfied with in the set.

Yes. We engineers were pretty well trained, but when making decisions on 
what had to go or be included it wasn't always a 2+2 = 4 which is precise. 
Mathematicians are precise and there may be only answer to the equation, but 
that wasn't the world I was living in; I could have many different solutions 
based on the requirements. This is the point I was trying to make.






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Re: [Elecraft] K3 on motorboat.

2020-06-10 Thread Barry

Phil,
I think I understand your point. I think I can live with it. 
However, I never studied philosophy.


73,
Barry
K3NDM

-- Original Message --
From: "Phil Hystad via Elecraft" 
To: "Barry" 
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: 6/10/2020 1:50:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 on motorboat.


The problem with this argument is the dichotomy of choice.  The contrast 
between art and science was introduced into philosophical discussion several 
hundred years ago.

Today, the discussion might better be divided into three categories:  Art, 
Engineering, Science with the recognition that many things real or imagined may 
include parts from all.




 On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:15 AM, Barry  wrote:

 I strongly disagree. How many compromises were made to pull this off. You may 
use the laws of physics and math to design something, but unlike physics or 
math, engineering is not as precise. that means there are judgment calls made 
by design engineers. Physicists make judgemet call also, but only in data 
interpretation and not design. Sorry you couldn't be more wrong.

 73,
 Barry
 K3NDM

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 On 6/9/2020 3:54 PM, Barry wrote:

 EE is an art and not science


 That is NOT even slightly true. ART did not put us on the moon or build the 
Mars rovers. Engineering is the thoughtful application of scientific principles 
and knowledge to solve practical problems. Without science as a base, it's 
little more than the infinite number of monkeys and typewriters producing 
Shakespeare. Nearly all practical designs involve some compromises. Great 
engineering is selecting (sometimes innovating) those solutions which work well 
for the particular problem at hand.

 73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 on motorboat.

2020-06-10 Thread Barry

Don,
I worked as a design engineer and then transitioned to system 
engineering/project management. In those latter days, I would receive a 
requirement set from which I needed to make sense. I also had budgetary 
issues that were built in, more requirements than money.  And, there 
might have been other conflicts. So, I know what e had to do, maximize 
the number of requirements satisfied with in the set.


Yes. We engineers were pretty well trained, but when making 
decisions on what had to go or be included it wasn't always a 2+2 = 4 
which is precise. Mathematicians are precise and there may be only 
answer to the equation, but that wasn't the world I was living in; I 
could have many different solutions based on the requirements. This is 
the point I was trying to make.


73,
Barry
K3NDM

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Sent: 6/10/2020 4:20:44 PM
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Barry,

Well, when I was with IBM, my title was Engineer/Scientist, so I got credit for 
both.

Engineers have the education and training to do research as well as making 
those judgements during design that sometimes result in compromises.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/10/2020 1:15 PM, Barry wrote:

I strongly disagree. How many compromises were made to pull this off. You may 
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by design engineers. Physicists make judgemet call also, but only in data 
interpretation and not design. Sorry you couldn't be more wrong.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 on motorboat.

2020-06-10 Thread Barry
I strongly disagree. How many compromises were made to pull this off. 
You may use the laws of physics and math to design something, but unlike 
physics or math, engineering is not as precise. that means there are 
judgment calls made by design engineers. Physicists make judgemet call 
also, but only in data interpretation and not design. Sorry you couldn't 
be more wrong.


73,
Barry
K3NDM

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Sent: 6/10/2020 1:53:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 on motorboat.


On 6/9/2020 3:54 PM, Barry wrote:

EE is an art and not science


That is NOT even slightly true. ART did not put us on the moon or build the 
Mars rovers. Engineering is the thoughtful application of scientific principles 
and knowledge to solve practical problems. Without science as a base, it's 
little more than the infinite number of monkeys and typewriters producing 
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73, Jim K9YC


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