Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Jim Rogers]

Can we be done with the IC-7300 stuff? After all, this is the Elecraft 
mail list and I do not think it has anyplace here.  Just my opinion. I 
am sure, somewhere there is a IC-7300 list that will fit your needs.


Jim W4ATK


On 9/3/2015 3:29 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:



Yes, but is it a difference you can discern without the use of
special test equipment?


Absolutely!  The FT-991 will be much more noisy, suffer much more QRM
from adjacent signals and suffer much more blocking from strong signals
on the other end of the band.

Anyone who has had a K3 and an Icom 756 Pro or TS-480 side by side and
on the same antenna system can tell the difference in a few minutes of
use.

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


On 9/3/2015 4:42 PM, bs usb wrote:

Al,

Yes, but is it a difference you can discern without the use of special
test equipment?

If I can't hear the difference, then there is no difference.

Besides Collins, Heathkit, and Drake were perfectly capable radios.  I
expect the 991 is equally capable and it offers as standard features
that are expensive options elsewhere.

Al Gulseth wrote:

Guess I'm not reading the chart the same way you are: I find the 991's
specs
(sort of) in line with or even below decades-old rigs on the list from
Atlas,
Collins, Drake, Heathkit, and Ten-Tec. There's quite a bit of 
difference

between the 991 and the top of the list (as in the "3" series
Elecrafts etc.)

Now if your criteria for choosing a rig is one that will impress the
ladies
with its looks, maybe the 991 is the way to go ;-)

73, Al

On Thu September 3 2015 2:45:15 pm bs usb wrote:

Indeed, the FT-991 is on the list, way down toward the bottom, but its
vitals appear to be right in line with those at the top of the list.

Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:

Sherwood Engineering test data is available at
http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.

The FT-991 was added back on 8/05.  It is way down the list!

73,
Henry - K4TMC

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb > wrote:


 I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short.  Yaesu beat 
them to

 it with the FT-991.
 I have not found any performance tests on either one of these
 radios.  I might have to buy one and test it myself.
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Jerry Moore]

If Elecraft starts offering high quality/weighted knobs I hope they continue
to offer the standard knobs as well. Maybe make that an option.. standard
knobs included or pay an extra $500 for the heavier ones. For me, I'll stick
with standard.

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Walter
Underwood
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:39 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

I apologize in advance if this is getting far off topic, but there is a blog
that reviews audio equipment purely on the basis of "knob feel". It is
deeply silly, but you know, I can't really disagree. There are lame knobs,
good knobs, and great knobs. The feel of a big audio variable attenuator?
That's a sweet knob, hard to replicate in the digital era.

We need to set this dude up with some amateur radio equipment.

http://knobfeel.tumblr.com/

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
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On Sep 3, 2015, at 8:01 PM, Don Wilhelm <w3...@embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Each to his own, but I find touchscreens to be 'bothersome' - real buttons
with tactile feedback and real knobs do much better for me.
> I have tried tuning with the mouse scrollwheel, but find it cumbersome.
For my radio, give me buttons and knobs - I can do the tuning and button
pushing "by feel" and it does not take my concentration away by having to
observe what I am seeing on the screen.
> 
> Just my not so humble opinion.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 9/3/2015 10:33 PM, Brian Denley wrote:
>> I'm with Chris.  I like knobs too but touch screens are here to stay.
>> 
>> Brian
>> KB1VBF
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[N1EU]

No doubt that DSP IF radios with narrow upstream xtal filters should be
everyone's first choice today for a do-everything high performance hf radio. 
The K3S is unbeatable.  That being said, my forays into the world of direct
sampling DDC/DUC radios suggest that their receivers may have an edge in
simply sounding "better" - subjectively cleaner/less fatiguing with slightly
more readability on very weak signals, compared to my K3 and Orion.  The
direct sampling radios have a long way to go to become all-around great
radios, but my impression is that 5-10 years down the road, they will
dominate (in a knobbed form).

Just my $.02

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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Jerry Moore]

+1

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Rogers
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 7:37 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

Can we be done with the IC-7300 stuff? After all, this is the Elecraft mail
list and I do not think it has anyplace here.  Just my opinion. I am sure,
somewhere there is a IC-7300 list that will fit your needs.

Jim W4ATK


On 9/3/2015 3:29 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>> Yes, but is it a difference you can discern without the use of 
>> special test equipment?
>
> Absolutely!  The FT-991 will be much more noisy, suffer much more QRM 
> from adjacent signals and suffer much more blocking from strong 
> signals on the other end of the band.
>
> Anyone who has had a K3 and an Icom 756 Pro or TS-480 side by side and 
> on the same antenna system can tell the difference in a few minutes of 
> use.
>
> 73,
>
>   ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 9/3/2015 4:42 PM, bs usb wrote:
>> Al,
>>
>> Yes, but is it a difference you can discern without the use of 
>> special test equipment?
>>
>> If I can't hear the difference, then there is no difference.
>>
>> Besides Collins, Heathkit, and Drake were perfectly capable radios.  
>> I expect the 991 is equally capable and it offers as standard 
>> features that are expensive options elsewhere.
>>
>> Al Gulseth wrote:
>>> Guess I'm not reading the chart the same way you are: I find the 
>>> 991's specs (sort of) in line with or even below decades-old rigs on 
>>> the list from Atlas, Collins, Drake, Heathkit, and Ten-Tec. There's 
>>> quite a bit of difference between the 991 and the top of the list 
>>> (as in the "3" series Elecrafts etc.)
>>>
>>> Now if your criteria for choosing a rig is one that will impress the 
>>> ladies with its looks, maybe the 991 is the way to go ;-)
>>>
>>> 73, Al
>>>
>>> On Thu September 3 2015 2:45:15 pm bs usb wrote:
>>>> Indeed, the FT-991 is on the list, way down toward the bottom, but 
>>>> its vitals appear to be right in line with those at the top of the
list.
>>>>
>>>> Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:
>>>>> Sherwood Engineering test data is available at 
>>>>> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.
>>>>>
>>>>> The FT-991 was added back on 8/05.  It is way down the list!
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Henry - K4TMC
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb <bs...@k5dkz.com 
>>>>> <mailto:bs...@k5dkz.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short.  Yaesu beat 
>>>>> them to
>>>>>  it with the FT-991.
>>>>>  I have not found any performance tests on either one of these
>>>>>  radios.  I might have to buy one and test it myself.
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Phil Hystad]

> I agree that the thread is pretty well thrashed, but -
> 
> I do like to hear comparisons of Elecraft equipment with other brands as it 
> keeps abreast of what's happening out there.  Technology is "stampeding 
> ahead" and all ham gear makers are susceptible to the changing landscape.
> 
> 
> 
> 73, Ed - KL7UW


I agree.  I found the IC-7300 discussion far more interesting than heat sinks 
for KX3 or 3rd party knobs for the K3.

73, phil, K7PEH
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Edward R Cole]

Jim,

I agree that the thread is pretty well thrashed, but -

I do like to hear comparisons of Elecraft equipment with other brands 
as it keeps abreast of what's happening out there.  Technology is 
"stampeding ahead" and all ham gear makers are susceptible to the 
changing landscape.


I hated win8.0/8.1 because it was geared to touch screen tablets 
(which I do not have).  I'm now waiting for my free upgrade to win10 
and return to more reasonable UI.  I have no smart phone or any cell 
phone.  My wife has a MOT "flip phone" that does phone calls...enough 
for us.  She lives on her I-pad3 but already got her win10 upgrade on 
her laptop which had win7.  My phone is a ten-year old Panasonic 
wireless 5-GHz phone that does speaker-phone for my OTE hearing 
aids.  I'll get blue-tooth on my next pair.


I chose the K3 partly because it has "knobs", which are more 
comfortable for making adjustments than using the mouse.  Yeah I'm an 
old f--t ham, 5-years retired, and heading toward 60-years on ham radio (2018).


K3/10 and KX3 with 2M satisfy my needs (until I can afford a 
KXPA100); saving for my new Synth's for the K3.


73, Ed - KL7UW

From: Jim Rogers <jim.w4...@gmail.com>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

Can we be done with the IC-7300 stuff? After all, this is the Elecraft
mail list and I do not think it has anyplace here.  Just my opinion. I
am sure, somewhere there is a IC-7300 list that will fit your needs.

Jim W4ATK

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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Gary]

Or replacement fans for the kpa500. Just cause I can't hear them doesn't mean 
they are quiet.I'm just deaf

Who moved my rock?oh there it is, dammit it's getting heavier to lift up to 
squeeze under

Gary 

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Sent: ‎5/‎09/‎2015 7:00 AM
To: "Edward R Cole" <kl...@acsalaska.net>
Cc: "Elecraft@mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

> I agree that the thread is pretty well thrashed, but -
> 
> I do like to hear comparisons of Elecraft equipment with other brands as it 
> keeps abreast of what's happening out there.  Technology is "stampeding 
> ahead" and all ham gear makers are susceptible to the changing landscape.
> 
> 
> 
> 73, Ed - KL7UW


I agree.  I found the IC-7300 discussion far more interesting than heat sinks 
for KX3 or 3rd party knobs for the K3.

73, phil, K7PEH
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Richard Solomon]

When did this morph into the ICOM reflector ?? Did I not get the memo ???

73, Dick, W1KSZ

On 9/3/2015 7:25 AM, brian wrote:
It is may be time to rethink the display.  The functionality added 
through the years has resulted in display of certain settings is 
pretty obscure (e.g. flashing decimal point is supposed to mean 
something)


The difficulty may be display size constraints.   Lacking a bigger 
display, it would mean even smaller letters et al.   That isn't a good 
idea.   Given the creativity of Elecraft engineers, perhaps the 
current display size could still work.


73 de Brian/K3KO



On 9/3/2015 13:57 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote:
I'll add my $0.02.  I'm not a huge fan of touch screen for the same 
reasons
John mentions.  However, I would surely welcome a more modern color 
screen
on my K3.  Maybe even a few programmable touch buttons in a similar 
fashion

to the buttons across the bottom of the P3.

Hey, we all bought into the Elecraft performance story, and voted 
with our

dollars.  But who wouldn't want a more modern look and feel, which by
definition means a color graphics screen. That sentiment has been echoed
before on this list, and I'm a newbie here, less than a year.

Here's a crazy idea: Take the P3 display and put it into the K3.  And 
then
I wouldn't have to purchase a separate unit just for a panadapter.  I 
bet
I'm not alone when I say my operating space has much competition for 
prime

desktop real estate!!!  The idea of a separate standalone panadapter is
pretty "old school" ;)  What modern high performance rig doesn't have 
one

built in?  Don't bash me on that, I voted with my $$$, I'm a proud K3/P3
owner.  But I can have a wish list, can't I?  ;)

-Chris
K1AY

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 9:06 AM, John Fritze  
wrote:


While I think touch screen technology is neat, and perhaps faster, 
my main
complaint is the screen is always filthy with finger oils. Yes I can 
wipe

it off, but experience with an AVmap GPS, my Galaxy 5, an Ipad and a
Windows 8,1 laptop tells me that touch screen is not always the best
solution.  I like my screens clear and clean because if sun or 
incandescent

light hits at an angle it is difficult to read when full of smudges.

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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Jerry Moore]

Since we're adding our $0.02 I'll add mine as a "soon to be K3S owner".
1. Simple and efficient interface was part of my decision.
2. Although the rig lacks band switches, it has function buttons that
support limited macro's to set band/mode/other which fits 99.99% needs for
anyone who will RTFM and utilize it.
3. While integrating the P3 would be nice it adds $700 to an already premium
feature /cost rig. I'm purchasing incrementally so I'd find it unacceptable
to have a large blank space on my radio if /until I decided to purchase the
P3.
4. My background is Electronics/Computers and I currently work as a Systems
Analyst ($4 dollar way of saying really high level support engineer).
"Modern" isn't always better in my view. There are MANY more modern looking
rigs that don't perform at the level of the K3S in my opinion. I'd rather
put $4 into performance, support, and upgradability, than $2 into
pretty/modern looking. The point being the more complex the system the more
likely to fail and higher expense.


Here's a crazy idea if you want modern with touch screen. Get a
tablet(windows) with rig control software. That will give you the bleeding
edge technology with full touch screen control. 

Personally I'm surrounded and use fancy tech all day long. When it's time to
get on the air I want simple, straight up, and reliable.

Not intentionally bashing anyone. Just  my $0.02.

Jer

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Hallinan
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 9:57 AM
To: John Fritze
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

I'll add my $0.02.  I'm not a huge fan of touch screen for the same reasons
John mentions.  However, I would surely welcome a more modern color screen
on my K3.  Maybe even a few programmable touch buttons in a similar fashion
to the buttons across the bottom of the P3.

Hey, we all bought into the Elecraft performance story, and voted with our
dollars.  But who wouldn't want a more modern look and feel, which by
definition means a color graphics screen. That sentiment has been echoed
before on this list, and I'm a newbie here, less than a year.

Here's a crazy idea: Take the P3 display and put it into the K3.  And then I
wouldn't have to purchase a separate unit just for a panadapter.  I bet I'm
not alone when I say my operating space has much competition for prime
desktop real estate!!!  The idea of a separate standalone panadapter is
pretty "old school" ;)  What modern high performance rig doesn't have one
built in?  Don't bash me on that, I voted with my $$$, I'm a proud K3/P3
owner.  But I can have a wish list, can't I?  ;)

-Chris
K1AY

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 9:06 AM, John Fritze <fritzej...@gmail.com> wrote:

> While I think touch screen technology is neat, and perhaps faster, my 
> main complaint is the screen is always filthy with finger oils.  Yes I 
> can wipe it off, but experience with an AVmap GPS, my Galaxy 5, an 
> Ipad and a Windows 8,1 laptop tells me that touch screen is not always 
> the best solution.  I like my screens clear and clean because if sun 
> or incandescent light hits at an angle it is difficult to read when full
of smudges.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Phil Wheeler]

Re my statement "zero info on performance": Has 
anyone sorted out performance data from the charts 
here:


http://www.icomamerica.com/en/products/amateur/hf/7300/default.aspx 
or in the pdf file linked here:


http://www.icomamerica.com/en/downloads/DownloadDetails.aspx?Document=746

It's interesting to speculate where this Icom-7300 
would end up on the Sherwood chart. And how would 
it prevail in a strong-signal environment, like 
Field Day or an urban area like the one I'm in? 
Based on what I've seen it will be OK for casual 
operating and SDR "dabbling", but not for serious 
operators who contest, work DX or want to play at 
Field Day. For those uses the K3/K3S will blow it 
away.


In fact, given the KX3 SDR-based design, I wonder 
how it and the Icom-7300 will stack up against one 
another.


It will be interesting to see some IC-7300 numbers 
-- including the price!


73, Phil W7OX

p.s. -- like some others out there, a touch screen 
has no attraction for me. On cameras I usually 
disable that feature :-)


On 9/2/15 6:56 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:

Cute, but likely not my cup of tea.

Plus, zero info on performance!

73, Phil W7OX

On 9/2/15 4:51 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
Icom recently released news about the upcoming 
IC-7300 
 
to be available by the end of the year.   A 
completely software-defined radio.  Looks like 
a real game-changer.
While the K3S is a nice upgrade, I think the 
tide is slowly shifting to touch sensitive, 
menu-driven, color displays.


I certainly hope the Elecraft is looking at 
this and considering its implications.



Doug -- K0DXV


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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[bs usb]

I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short.  Yaesu beat them to it 
with the FT-991.
I have not found any performance tests on either one of these radios.  I 
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Phil Hystad]

> Personally I'm surrounded and use fancy tech all day long. When it's time to
> get on the air I want simple, straight up, and reliable.

DITTO!

73, phil, K7PEH



> On Sep 3, 2015, at 7:13 AM, Jerry Moore <je...@carolinaheli.com> wrote:
> 
> Since we're adding our $0.02 I'll add mine as a "soon to be K3S owner".
> 1. Simple and efficient interface was part of my decision.
> 2. Although the rig lacks band switches, it has function buttons that
> support limited macro's to set band/mode/other which fits 99.99% needs for
> anyone who will RTFM and utilize it.
> 3. While integrating the P3 would be nice it adds $700 to an already premium
> feature /cost rig. I'm purchasing incrementally so I'd find it unacceptable
> to have a large blank space on my radio if /until I decided to purchase the
> P3.
> 4. My background is Electronics/Computers and I currently work as a Systems
> Analyst ($4 dollar way of saying really high level support engineer).
> "Modern" isn't always better in my view. There are MANY more modern looking
> rigs that don't perform at the level of the K3S in my opinion. I'd rather
> put $4 into performance, support, and upgradability, than $2 into
> pretty/modern looking. The point being the more complex the system the more
> likely to fail and higher expense.
> 
> 
> Here's a crazy idea if you want modern with touch screen. Get a
> tablet(windows) with rig control software. That will give you the bleeding
> edge technology with full touch screen control. 
> 
> Personally I'm surrounded and use fancy tech all day long. When it's time to
> get on the air I want simple, straight up, and reliable.
> 
> Not intentionally bashing anyone. Just  my $0.02.
> 
> Jer
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chris
> Hallinan
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 9:57 AM
> To: John Fritze
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300
> 
> I'll add my $0.02.  I'm not a huge fan of touch screen for the same reasons
> John mentions.  However, I would surely welcome a more modern color screen
> on my K3.  Maybe even a few programmable touch buttons in a similar fashion
> to the buttons across the bottom of the P3.
> 
> Hey, we all bought into the Elecraft performance story, and voted with our
> dollars.  But who wouldn't want a more modern look and feel, which by
> definition means a color graphics screen. That sentiment has been echoed
> before on this list, and I'm a newbie here, less than a year.
> 
> Here's a crazy idea: Take the P3 display and put it into the K3.  And then I
> wouldn't have to purchase a separate unit just for a panadapter.  I bet I'm
> not alone when I say my operating space has much competition for prime
> desktop real estate!!!  The idea of a separate standalone panadapter is
> pretty "old school" ;)  What modern high performance rig doesn't have one
> built in?  Don't bash me on that, I voted with my $$$, I'm a proud K3/P3
> owner.  But I can have a wish list, can't I?  ;)
> 
> -Chris
> K1AY
> 
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 9:06 AM, John Fritze <fritzej...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> While I think touch screen technology is neat, and perhaps faster, my 
>> main complaint is the screen is always filthy with finger oils.  Yes I 
>> can wipe it off, but experience with an AVmap GPS, my Galaxy 5, an 
>> Ipad and a Windows 8,1 laptop tells me that touch screen is not always 
>> the best solution.  I like my screens clear and clean because if sun 
>> or incandescent light hits at an angle it is difficult to read when full
> of smudges.
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Chris Hallinan]

I'll add my $0.02.  I'm not a huge fan of touch screen for the same reasons
John mentions.  However, I would surely welcome a more modern color screen
on my K3.  Maybe even a few programmable touch buttons in a similar fashion
to the buttons across the bottom of the P3.

Hey, we all bought into the Elecraft performance story, and voted with our
dollars.  But who wouldn't want a more modern look and feel, which by
definition means a color graphics screen. That sentiment has been echoed
before on this list, and I'm a newbie here, less than a year.

Here's a crazy idea: Take the P3 display and put it into the K3.  And then
I wouldn't have to purchase a separate unit just for a panadapter.  I bet
I'm not alone when I say my operating space has much competition for prime
desktop real estate!!!  The idea of a separate standalone panadapter is
pretty "old school" ;)  What modern high performance rig doesn't have one
built in?  Don't bash me on that, I voted with my $$$, I'm a proud K3/P3
owner.  But I can have a wish list, can't I?  ;)

-Chris
K1AY

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 9:06 AM, John Fritze  wrote:

> While I think touch screen technology is neat, and perhaps faster, my main
> complaint is the screen is always filthy with finger oils.  Yes I can wipe
> it off, but experience with an AVmap GPS, my Galaxy 5, an Ipad and a
> Windows 8,1 laptop tells me that touch screen is not always the best
> solution.  I like my screens clear and clean because if sun or incandescent
> light hits at an angle it is difficult to read when full of smudges.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Henry Pollock - K4TMC]

Sherwood Engineering test data is available at
http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.

The FT-991 was added back on 8/05.  It is way down the list!

73,
Henry - K4TMC

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb  wrote:

>
> I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short.  Yaesu beat them to it with
> the FT-991.
> I have not found any performance tests on either one of these radios.  I
> might have to buy one and test it myself.
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Jerry Moore]

On my reading/research on the 991, It's a good radio but the display/band
doesn't update as quickly or work the same as the P3 BASED ON MY READING.
Jerry

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I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short.  Yaesu beat them to it with
the FT-991.
I have not found any performance tests on either one of these radios.  I
might have to buy one and test it myself.
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[brian]

It is may be time to rethink the display.  The functionality added 
through the years has resulted in display of certain settings is pretty 
obscure (e.g. flashing decimal point is supposed to mean something)


The difficulty may be display size constraints.   Lacking a bigger 
display, it would mean even smaller letters et al.   That isn't a good 
idea.   Given the creativity of Elecraft engineers, perhaps the current 
display size could still work.


73 de Brian/K3KO



On 9/3/2015 13:57 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote:

I'll add my $0.02.  I'm not a huge fan of touch screen for the same reasons
John mentions.  However, I would surely welcome a more modern color screen
on my K3.  Maybe even a few programmable touch buttons in a similar fashion
to the buttons across the bottom of the P3.

Hey, we all bought into the Elecraft performance story, and voted with our
dollars.  But who wouldn't want a more modern look and feel, which by
definition means a color graphics screen. That sentiment has been echoed
before on this list, and I'm a newbie here, less than a year.

Here's a crazy idea: Take the P3 display and put it into the K3.  And then
I wouldn't have to purchase a separate unit just for a panadapter.  I bet
I'm not alone when I say my operating space has much competition for prime
desktop real estate!!!  The idea of a separate standalone panadapter is
pretty "old school" ;)  What modern high performance rig doesn't have one
built in?  Don't bash me on that, I voted with my $$$, I'm a proud K3/P3
owner.  But I can have a wish list, can't I?  ;)

-Chris
K1AY

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 9:06 AM, John Fritze  wrote:


While I think touch screen technology is neat, and perhaps faster, my main
complaint is the screen is always filthy with finger oils.  Yes I can wipe
it off, but experience with an AVmap GPS, my Galaxy 5, an Ipad and a
Windows 8,1 laptop tells me that touch screen is not always the best
solution.  I like my screens clear and clean because if sun or incandescent
light hits at an angle it is difficult to read when full of smudges.

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K2QY
k...@arrl.net
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ARES ENY DEC Northern District
Hudson Div. Asst. Director
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300/Sherwood ratings

[K5HM]

Guess a guy cannot have too many radios. My K3 is enough for me though

73,
Ron, K5HM
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www.qrz.com/db/k5hm

    Excelsior!

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Lowman
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 1:22 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300/Sherwood ratings

My K3S kit is scheduled for delivery tomorrow.
I ordered it from Lisa at the Huntsville Hamfest, but asked her to defer
shipment until I got home.

I also ordered a Flex 6700 at the hamfest.
Nice to know that I will own three of the top four radios in the Sherwood
rankings.
It will be interesting to see the results when Rob tests the K3S.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 9/3/2015 7:48 AM, Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:
> Sherwood Engineering test data is available at 
> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.
>
> The FT-991 was added back on 8/05.  It is way down the list!
>
> 73,
> Henry - K4TMC
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb <bs...@k5dkz.com> wrote:
>
>> I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short.  Yaesu beat them to it 
>> with the FT-991.
>> I have not found any performance tests on either one of these radios.  
>> I might have to buy one and test it myself.
>>

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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[bs usb]

Al,

Yes, but is it a difference you can discern without the use of special 
test equipment?


If I can't hear the difference, then there is no difference.

Besides Collins, Heathkit, and Drake were perfectly capable radios.  I 
expect the 991 is equally capable and it offers as standard features 
that are expensive options elsewhere.


Al Gulseth wrote:

Guess I'm not reading the chart the same way you are: I find the 991's specs
(sort of) in line with or even below decades-old rigs on the list from Atlas,
Collins, Drake, Heathkit, and Ten-Tec. There's quite a bit of difference
between the 991 and the top of the list (as in the "3" series Elecrafts etc.)

Now if your criteria for choosing a rig is one that will impress the ladies
with its looks, maybe the 991 is the way to go ;-)

73, Al

On Thu September 3 2015 2:45:15 pm bs usb wrote:

Indeed, the FT-991 is on the list, way down toward the bottom, but its
vitals appear to be right in line with those at the top of the list.

Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:

Sherwood Engineering test data is available at
http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.

The FT-991 was added back on 8/05.  It is way down the list!

73,
Henry - K4TMC

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb > wrote:


 I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short.  Yaesu beat them to
 it with the FT-991.
 I have not found any performance tests on either one of these
 radios.  I might have to buy one and test it myself.
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Wm Robert Leschyna]

Personally I feel that a touch screen is a must in a "stand alone" (no pc
needed) SDR, as it allows the future development and or creation and use of
soft keys for functions that we may not even think of today. As for the
IC7300, most of the time  you will likely be using the most commonly used
functions which appear to be tied the physical knobs and buttons, and not
have to touch the screen that much.

SDR is the way of the future, heck it is the way now, and I think this is
Icom's way of dipping their toe in the water and not upsetting their fan
base by introducing an SDR in convention looking hardware. I am confident
that they will be releasing a whole line of stand alone SDR rigs...

I have owned a K2 a couple K3s and KX3, I love Elecraft and love supporting
a made in North American brand, but frankly am confused as to why Elecraft
isn't leading the pack on stand-alone SDR?

73
Bob
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[Elecraft] Icom IC-7300 / Elecraft

[Dick Dickinson]

ICOM indicates that the IC-7300 Multi-function knob selections are displayed
on the upper right of the screen.  That puts them right there next to the
knob to be 'touched.'   While I don't have an experienced opinion on touch
screens, I can see the sense of that setup.

 

I have frequently thought of a series of three adjacent similar knobs for
selections and settings.  

 

Selection / Setting / Value.

 

Using knobs that function similar to Shift/LO / HI/Width / Speed/Mic and
CMP/PWR on the K3 might save a knob, but could perhaps lead to more user
error / miss-taps.

 

I'm not going to attempt to figure out what might go with each knob.  The
selection knob might have a few banks in it.

 

I'll leave the sorting out to those who design interfaces, if there is any
interest.

 

 

Dick - KA5KKT

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300/Sherwood ratings

[Jim Lowman]

My K3S kit is scheduled for delivery tomorrow.
I ordered it from Lisa at the Huntsville Hamfest, but asked her to defer 
shipment until I got home.


I also ordered a Flex 6700 at the hamfest.
Nice to know that I will own three of the top four radios in the 
Sherwood rankings.

It will be interesting to see the results when Rob tests the K3S.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 9/3/2015 7:48 AM, Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:

Sherwood Engineering test data is available at
http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.

The FT-991 was added back on 8/05.  It is way down the list!

73,
Henry - K4TMC

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb  wrote:


I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short.  Yaesu beat them to it with
the FT-991.
I have not found any performance tests on either one of these radios.  I
might have to buy one and test it myself.



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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Henry Pollock - K4TMC]

Oh boy!.8/05 was to mean August 5th.  I did not include the year, since
I thought everyone would already know that it is a new rig that came out
this year (2015).

73,
Henry - K4TMC
(crawling back under my rock...)


On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Logan Zintsmaster  wrote:

> If 08/05 means August 2005, the listing is about 10 years too early.  The
> FT 991 just came out.
>
> Logan, KZ6O
>
> > On Sep 3, 2015, at 12:45 PM, bs usb  wrote:
> >
> > Indeed, the FT-991 is on the list, way down toward the bottom, but its
> vitals appear to be right in line with those at the top of the list.
> >
> >
> > Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:
> >> Sherwood Engineering test data is available at
> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.
> >>
> >> The FT-991 was added back on 8/05.  It is way down the list!
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Henry - K4TMC
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short.  Yaesu beat them to
> >>it with the FT-991.
> >>I have not found any performance tests on either one of these
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[bs usb]

Indeed, the FT-991 is on the list, way down toward the bottom, but its 
vitals appear to be right in line with those at the top of the list.



Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:
Sherwood Engineering test data is available at 
http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.


The FT-991 was added back on 8/05.  It is way down the list!

73,
Henry - K4TMC

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb > wrote:



I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short.  Yaesu beat them to
it with the FT-991.
I have not found any performance tests on either one of these
radios.  I might have to buy one and test it myself.
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Logan Zintsmaster]

If 08/05 means August 2005, the listing is about 10 years too early.  The FT 
991 just came out. 

Logan, KZ6O

> On Sep 3, 2015, at 12:45 PM, bs usb  wrote:
> 
> Indeed, the FT-991 is on the list, way down toward the bottom, but its vitals 
> appear to be right in line with those at the top of the list.
> 
> 
> Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:
>> Sherwood Engineering test data is available at 
>> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.
>> 
>> The FT-991 was added back on 8/05.  It is way down the list!
>> 
>> 73,
>> Henry - K4TMC
>> 
>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short.  Yaesu beat them to
>>it with the FT-991.
>>I have not found any performance tests on either one of these
>>radios.  I might have to buy one and test it myself.
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Al Gulseth]

Guess I'm not reading the chart the same way you are: I find the 991's specs 
(sort of) in line with or even below decades-old rigs on the list from Atlas, 
Collins, Drake, Heathkit, and Ten-Tec. There's quite a bit of difference 
between the 991 and the top of the list (as in the "3" series Elecrafts etc.)

Now if your criteria for choosing a rig is one that will impress the ladies 
with its looks, maybe the 991 is the way to go ;-)

73, Al

On Thu September 3 2015 2:45:15 pm bs usb wrote:
> Indeed, the FT-991 is on the list, way down toward the bottom, but its
> vitals appear to be right in line with those at the top of the list.
>
> Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:
> > Sherwood Engineering test data is available at
> > http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.
> >
> > The FT-991 was added back on 8/05.  It is way down the list!
> >
> > 73,
> > Henry - K4TMC
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb  > > wrote:
> >
> >
> > I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short.  Yaesu beat them to
> > it with the FT-991.
> > I have not found any performance tests on either one of these
> > radios.  I might have to buy one and test it myself.
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

I'm the same way, I work on complex stuff all day as well.
In my other Expensive Hobby I keep a Reef Aquarium. I've seen a lot of gizmos 
and gadgets come and go over the yearsand even I fell for a few of them, but 
more and more I have come full circle and back to the tried methods and 
equipment.
I think many at times fall for the latest gizmo or craze, then we realize that 
it's not all it's cracked up to be.

Touchscreens do have their place, but not on an HF rig (at least mine) I prefer 
real buttons and knobs.
I bought the K-Line is because it was straightforward and not overly (and 
unnecessarily complex) and somethingthat I could work on if it breaks. At the 
end of the day I want a radio that lets me hear the other guy, so I can talk to 
him.





  From: Phil Hystad <phys...@mac.com>
 To: Jerry Moore <je...@carolinaheli.com> 
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; John Fritze <fritzej...@gmail.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 10:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300
   
> Personally I'm surrounded and use fancy tech all day long. When it's time to
> get on the air I want simple, straight up, and reliable.

DITTO!

73, phil, K7PEH



   
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Doug Person via Elecraft]

I gave the FT-991 a short, intense work out.  I was the first buyer from 
Ham Radio Outlet.  I just sold it.  Having spent the last part of my 
career as a Usability Engineer - I was not impressed with the FT-991.  
Not from a performance stand point and most importantly not from a 
usability stand point.  However, I think that larger, color, 
touch-sensitive displays are the future of pretty much all U/I's.  I 
personally expect that Elecraft plans on the K3S to remain as a main 
line product for many years to come.  However,  I think we're at the 
cusp of a tidal change.  It's the way of technology.  Faster, more 
powerful, more specialized processors will probably make super-hetrodyne 
obsolete.  It certainly has been an enduring technology and one that is 
still remarkably capable.


I might add that I truly appreciate the K3 and the K-Line.  I sold my 
first set a few years ago and went with a high-end Icom.  After about 6 
months I sold it and bought another K-Line.  I will not make that 
mistake again!


All the arguments supporting the current K3 front panel arrangement are 
all valid and I completely support them.  I like having the kind of 
control the K3 gives me.  On the other hand, I'm working on a complete 
flat-panel, touch sensitive interface using both Windows 10 and Linux 
(Probably OS/X as well) because I designed U/I's for a living and I'm 
curious to see what can be done.  I can easily envision a knobless, 
buttonless, completely integrated flat-panel transceiver whose entire 
user interface can be reconfigured at will be the user.  Truly - it's 
only a matter of who will do it first.  I would probably buy one.  But - 
it would not replace the K3.


73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 9/3/2015 8:48 AM, Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:

Sherwood Engineering test data is available at
http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.

The FT-991 was added back on 8/05.  It is way down the list!

73,
Henry - K4TMC

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb  wrote:


I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short.  Yaesu beat them to it with
the FT-991.
I have not found any performance tests on either one of these radios.  I
might have to buy one and test it myself.
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

I think this is Icom's way of dipping their toe in the water and not
upsetting their fan base by introducing an SDR in convention looking
hardware. I am confident that they will be releasing a whole line of
stand alone SDR rigs...


The question will be what quality ADC Icom uses in the front end of the
7300 and how clean (phase noise) they can make the synthesizer (clock).

If they have enough ADC bits to provide dynamic range, their claimed
synthesizer phase noise comparison should put the 7300 at about the
same level as the Ten-Tec Eagle in the Sherwood "chart" (e.g., 92-95
dB IMDDR3, -134 dBc @ 10 KHz phase noise, 125-130 dB 100 KHz blocking
[ADC limited]).

If Icom "cheaps out" and uses an ADC with limited resolution (number of
bits) like some of its commercial products, the 7300 is likely to fall
way down the list - into the neighborhood of the IC-7000 or FT-2000.

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


On 9/3/2015 3:19 PM, Wm Robert Leschyna wrote:

Personally I feel that a touch screen is a must in a "stand alone" (no pc
needed) SDR, as it allows the future development and or creation and use of
soft keys for functions that we may not even think of today. As for the
IC7300, most of the time  you will likely be using the most commonly used
functions which appear to be tied the physical knobs and buttons, and not
have to touch the screen that much.

SDR is the way of the future, heck it is the way now, and I think this is
Icom's way of dipping their toe in the water and not upsetting their fan
base by introducing an SDR in convention looking hardware. I am confident
that they will be releasing a whole line of stand alone SDR rigs...

I have owned a K2 a couple K3s and KX3, I love Elecraft and love supporting
a made in North American brand, but frankly am confused as to why Elecraft
isn't leading the pack on stand-alone SDR?

73
Bob
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Oliver Dröse]

Major selling point of the IC-7300 overhere in Europe will be it's 
inclusion of the 70 MHz band! :-)


73, Olli - DH8BQA

Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de


Am 03.09.2015 um 08:58 schrieb Arie Kleingeld PA3A:

The versatility/flexibility of the K3 is unmatched.

The nice thing about the ic7300 is that it uses direct RF sampling, 
which is probably the way to go in the future. I'm not sure if the 
touchscreen will add real value for operating. I'll have to try.


As I wrote before, I expect that the K4 will be a direct RF sampling 
device, high performance, just as easy and flexible to use as a loaded 
K3/P3, and all the features.


73
Arie PA3A

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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

Yes, but is it a difference you can discern without the use of
special test equipment?


Absolutely!  The FT-991 will be much more noisy, suffer much more QRM
from adjacent signals and suffer much more blocking from strong signals
on the other end of the band.

Anyone who has had a K3 and an Icom 756 Pro or TS-480 side by side and
on the same antenna system can tell the difference in a few minutes of
use.

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


On 9/3/2015 4:42 PM, bs usb wrote:

Al,

Yes, but is it a difference you can discern without the use of special
test equipment?

If I can't hear the difference, then there is no difference.

Besides Collins, Heathkit, and Drake were perfectly capable radios.  I
expect the 991 is equally capable and it offers as standard features
that are expensive options elsewhere.

Al Gulseth wrote:

Guess I'm not reading the chart the same way you are: I find the 991's
specs
(sort of) in line with or even below decades-old rigs on the list from
Atlas,
Collins, Drake, Heathkit, and Ten-Tec. There's quite a bit of difference
between the 991 and the top of the list (as in the "3" series
Elecrafts etc.)

Now if your criteria for choosing a rig is one that will impress the
ladies
with its looks, maybe the 991 is the way to go ;-)

73, Al

On Thu September 3 2015 2:45:15 pm bs usb wrote:

Indeed, the FT-991 is on the list, way down toward the bottom, but its
vitals appear to be right in line with those at the top of the list.

Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:

Sherwood Engineering test data is available at
http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.

The FT-991 was added back on 8/05.  It is way down the list!

73,
Henry - K4TMC

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb > wrote:


 I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short.  Yaesu beat them to
 it with the FT-991.
 I have not found any performance tests on either one of these
 radios.  I might have to buy one and test it myself.
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Phil Wheeler]

Joe,

Thanks for addressing what to me is the core issue 
with any rig -- performance. A "bells and 
whistles" user interface -- and that can be a 
matter of personal preference -- may sell a lot of 
rigs, but to me performance is key in selecting a 
base station transceiver. I can compromise 
performance for special applications like portable 
ops, QRP, etc. but I want my main station radio to 
be near the top of the list in the Sherwoodian sense.


After looking at the information here 
http://www.icomamerica.com/en/products/amateur/hf/7300/default.aspx 
an in the pdf file linked here: 
http://www.icomamerica.com/en/downloads/DownloadDetails.aspx?Document=746
 and from the general appearance of the Icom-7300 
(ports, controls, etc.) I don't expect it to be 
near the top when Rob Sherwood tests it. Of 
course, it hinges on a number of factors -- 
including those you brought up below -- and I 
could be surprised. Even so, while I'm not 
spring-loaded against SDR rigs (the KX3 is 
basically an SDR radio, after all, and I enjoy 
mine), I can do without a touch-screen interface.  
But I've been at this for 62 years now, so maybe 
I'm just "old fashioned" :-)


73, Phil W7OX

On 9/3/15 1:39 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


I think this is Icom's way of dipping their toe 
in the water and not
upsetting their fan base by introducing an SDR 
in convention looking
hardware. I am confident that they will be 
releasing a whole line of

stand alone SDR rigs...


The question will be what quality ADC Icom uses 
in the front end of the
7300 and how clean (phase noise) they can make 
the synthesizer (clock).


If they have enough ADC bits to provide dynamic 
range, their claimed
synthesizer phase noise comparison should put 
the 7300 at about the
same level as the Ten-Tec Eagle in the Sherwood 
"chart" (e.g., 92-95
dB IMDDR3, -134 dBc @ 10 KHz phase noise, 
125-130 dB 100 KHz blocking

[ADC limited]).

If Icom "cheaps out" and uses an ADC with 
limited resolution (number of
bits) like some of its commercial products, the 
7300 is likely to fall
way down the list - into the neighborhood of the 
IC-7000 or FT-2000.


73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


On 9/3/2015 3:19 PM, Wm Robert Leschyna wrote:
Personally I feel that a touch screen is a must 
in a "stand alone" (no pc
needed) SDR, as it allows the future 
development and or creation and use of
soft keys for functions that we may not even 
think of today. As for the
IC7300, most of the time  you will likely be 
using the most commonly used
functions which appear to be tied the physical 
knobs and buttons, and not

have to touch the screen that much.

SDR is the way of the future, heck it is the 
way now, and I think this is
Icom's way of dipping their toe in the water 
and not upsetting their fan
base by introducing an SDR in convention 
looking hardware. I am confident
that they will be releasing a whole line of 
stand alone SDR rigs...


I have owned a K2 a couple K3s and KX3, I love 
Elecraft and love supporting
a made in North American brand, but frankly am 
confused as to why Elecraft

isn't leading the pack on stand-alone SDR?

73
Bob


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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Cliff Frescura]

+1000

And does this rig have the CAT fix for split?

 Original message From: Tony Estep 
<estept...@gmail.com> Date:09/02/2015  5:48 PM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300 
I note that it has only one tuning knob, which in turn probably means you
can't do the standard dx-split operating technique. If that's the case,
then no matter what fancy gizmos it may boast, it would be of no interest
to me, and some others might feel the same.

Tony KT0NY
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Arie Kleingeld PA3A]

The versatility/flexibility of the K3 is unmatched.

The nice thing about the ic7300 is that it uses direct RF sampling, 
which is probably the way to go in the future. I'm not sure if the 
touchscreen will add real value for operating. I'll have to try.


As I wrote before, I expect that the K4 will be a direct RF sampling 
device, high performance, just as easy and flexible to use as a loaded 
K3/P3, and all the features.


73
Arie PA3A

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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Glen Torr]

Hi Wayne,
Thank you for the thoughtful comments on the IC7300.
I am spending some of my retirement in radio astronomy where direct RF
sampling is invading. Radio astronomy is very different from most
communications in that the wider the bandwidth the better.
The only threat to my K3 is the KX3 and amplifier, we spend a lot of time
in the bush with our camper trailer and KX3 plus KXPA 100.
Thanks so much, I am rusted on to Elecraft.
Kind Regards,
Glen VK1FB
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[David Giles]

I was at the Tokyo Ham Fair and got to spend a minute or so with one of 
the four on display.  There was a crowd looking at them.  I won't 
comment on specs but just give a first impression.
It's smaller than a K3.  The front panel does not appear to be 
detachable.  The display is easy to read. I was intrigued by the SD-slot 
- probably has several uses.  Subjectively I would prefer this one over 
the FT-991 mainly due to the screen and its general layout of controls.
Rest assured I won't be trading my K3 for one, but will be interested in 
performance and reliability after they are released.


73 de David VK5DG







On 4/09/2015 07:56, W2CTX via Elecraft wrote:

If the 991 is so good why did Sherwood rank it below the ancient 706?
Ron
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  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

Al,


Yes, but is it a difference you can discern without the use of special
test equipment?

If I can't hear the difference, then there is no difference.

Besides Collins, Heathkit, and Drake were perfectly capable radios.  I
expect the 991 is equally capable and it offers as standard features
that are expensive options elsewhere.



Al Gulseth wrote:

Guess I'm not reading the chart the same way you are: I find the 991's specs
(sort of) in line with or even below decades-old rigs on the list from Atlas,
Collins, Drake, Heathkit, and Ten-Tec. There's quite a bit of difference
between the 991 and the top of the list (as in the "3" series Elecrafts etc.)

Now if your criteria for choosing a rig is one that will impress the ladies
with its looks, maybe the 991 is the way to go ;-)

73, Al

On Thu September 3 2015 2:45:15 pm bs usb wrote:

Indeed, the FT-991 is on the list, way down toward the bottom, but its
vitals appear to be right in line with those at the top of the list.

Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:

Sherwood Engineering test data is available at
http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.

The FT-991 was added back on 8/05.  It is way down the list!

73,
Henry - K4TMC

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb <bs...@k5dkz.com
<mailto:bs...@k5dkz.com>> wrote:


   I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short.  Yaesu beat them to
   it with the FT-991.
   I have not found any performance tests on either one of these
   radios.  I might have to buy one and test it myself.
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Matt Maguire]

If you are alone on the band, then you probably won't notice any difference. 
When the band gets crowded, however, you'll start to deal with QRM. some of 
that QRM will be from people transmitting "dirty" signals, but if your receiver 
has distortion, some of the "QRM" you hear will be "generated" by the receiver 
itself as signals get mixed together. It is hard enough to hear that weak 
station with all the QRM on the band without having your receiver add "QRM" of 
its own. We care about the lab measurements because they help indicate whether 
the receiver is likely to be the weakest link or not.
The following short article from W8JI may help explain this 
better:http://bit.ly/1UvIRHW
73, Matt VK2RQ

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Al,

Yes, but is it a difference you can discern without the use of special 
test equipment?

If I can't hear the difference, then there is no difference.
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Phil Wheeler]

Thanks for the explanation, Wayne. Funny thing is 
that I never think of the K3 as *functionally* an 
SDR radio, I guess because I don't have access to 
the I/Q signal -- unless it accessible in some 
sneaky way I don't know about.  OTOH in principle 
it seems one could take the I/Q output of the KX3 
and build their own "back end", playing all sorts 
of games -- not that I plan such an adventure. 
However, last Summer I did build one of the Tiny 
Python Panadapters in the April 2014 QST which was 
a fun project made possible by the KX3's I/Q port, 
though I soon replaced it by the much more capable 
PX3.


Aside from its "cosmetic" features, which don't 
particularly appeal to me, the Icom-7300 looks 
like a radio not well suited for operation in 
crowded bands, DX pile-up situations, a 
strong-signal environment or Field Day. It will be 
interesting to see what the QST and Sherwood tests 
reveal.


There are some SDR dongles which will provide a 
"look at multiple MHz of bandwidth" at very low 
cost :-) Such a capability can be useful in 
monitoring a band you're not currently operating.


73, Phil W7OX

On 9/3/15 3:47 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Hi Phil,

Just to clarify: Both the KX3 and K3/K3S are SDRs. A major difference between 
these rigs and something like the IC-7300 or Flex 6xxx series is that our 
A-to-D converters (ADCs) are protected from wideband interference by a 
narrowband I.F. The K3/K3S uses crystal filters, while the KX3 uses precision, 
narrowband low-pass filters.

In direct-sampling SDRs, the ADC is right at the front end of the radio, 
protected only by wideband LC filters. The result is typically 15-20 dB lower 
blocking dynamic range. More subtle is the effect of multiple signals, which 
can combine in phase to hit the limit of the ADC, resulting in unwanted images.

It's a tradeoff; a direct-sampling SDR can allow you to look at multiple MHz of 
bandwidth on its spectrum display, if that's of interest.

Wayne
N6KR


On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:57 PM, Phil Wheeler  wrote:


Joe,

Thanks for addressing what to me is the core issue with any rig -- performance. A 
"bells and whistles" user interface -- and that can be a matter of personal 
preference -- may sell a lot of rigs, but to me performance is key in selecting a base 
station transceiver. I can compromise performance for special applications like portable 
ops, QRP, etc. but I want my main station radio to be near the top of the list in the 
Sherwoodian sense.

After looking at the information here 
http://www.icomamerica.com/en/products/amateur/hf/7300/default.aspx an in the 
pdf file linked here: 
http://www.icomamerica.com/en/downloads/DownloadDetails.aspx?Document=746
and from the general appearance of the Icom-7300 (ports, controls, etc.) I don't expect 
it to be near the top when Rob Sherwood tests it. Of course, it hinges on a number of 
factors -- including those you brought up below -- and I could be surprised. Even so, 
while I'm not spring-loaded against SDR rigs (the KX3 is basically an SDR radio, after 
all, and I enjoy mine), I can do without a touch-screen interface.  But I've been at this 
for 62 years now, so maybe I'm just "old fashioned" :-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 9/3/15 1:39 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

I think this is Icom's way of dipping their toe in the water and not
upsetting their fan base by introducing an SDR in convention looking
hardware. I am confident that they will be releasing a whole line of
stand alone SDR rigs...

The question will be what quality ADC Icom uses in the front end of the
7300 and how clean (phase noise) they can make the synthesizer (clock).

If they have enough ADC bits to provide dynamic range, their claimed
synthesizer phase noise comparison should put the 7300 at about the
same level as the Ten-Tec Eagle in the Sherwood "chart" (e.g., 92-95
dB IMDDR3, -134 dBc @ 10 KHz phase noise, 125-130 dB 100 KHz blocking
[ADC limited]).

If Icom "cheaps out" and uses an ADC with limited resolution (number of
bits) like some of its commercial products, the 7300 is likely to fall
way down the list - into the neighborhood of the IC-7000 or FT-2000.

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


On 9/3/2015 3:19 PM, Wm Robert Leschyna wrote:

Personally I feel that a touch screen is a must in a "stand alone" (no pc
needed) SDR, as it allows the future development and or creation and use of
soft keys for functions that we may not even think of today. As for the
IC7300, most of the time  you will likely be using the most commonly used
functions which appear to be tied the physical knobs and buttons, and not
have to touch the screen that much.

SDR is the way of the future, heck it is the way now, and I think this is
Icom's way of dipping their toe in the water and not upsetting their fan
base by introducing an SDR in convention looking hardware. I am confident
that they will be releasing a whole line of stand alone SDR rigs...

I have owned a K2 a couple K3s and KX3, I love Elecraft and love supporting
a 

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[W2CTX via Elecraft]

If the 991 is so good why did Sherwood rank it below the ancient 706?
Ron
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 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300
   
Al,

Yes, but is it a difference you can discern without the use of special 
test equipment?

If I can't hear the difference, then there is no difference.

Besides Collins, Heathkit, and Drake were perfectly capable radios.  I 
expect the 991 is equally capable and it offers as standard features 
that are expensive options elsewhere.



Al Gulseth wrote:
> Guess I'm not reading the chart the same way you are: I find the 991's specs
> (sort of) in line with or even below decades-old rigs on the list from Atlas,
> Collins, Drake, Heathkit, and Ten-Tec. There's quite a bit of difference
> between the 991 and the top of the list (as in the "3" series Elecrafts etc.)
>
> Now if your criteria for choosing a rig is one that will impress the ladies
> with its looks, maybe the 991 is the way to go ;-)
>
> 73, Al
>
> On Thu September 3 2015 2:45:15 pm bs usb wrote:
>> Indeed, the FT-991 is on the list, way down toward the bottom, but its
>> vitals appear to be right in line with those at the top of the list.
>>
>> Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote:
>>> Sherwood Engineering test data is available at
>>> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.
>>>
>>> The FT-991 was added back on 8/05.  It is way down the list!
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Henry - K4TMC
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb <bs...@k5dkz.com
>>> <mailto:bs...@k5dkz.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>      I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short.  Yaesu beat them to
>>>      it with the FT-991.
>>>      I have not found any performance tests on either one of these
>>>      radios.  I might have to buy one and test it myself.
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Wayne Burdick]

Hi Phil,

Just to clarify: Both the KX3 and K3/K3S are SDRs. A major difference between 
these rigs and something like the IC-7300 or Flex 6xxx series is that our 
A-to-D converters (ADCs) are protected from wideband interference by a 
narrowband I.F. The K3/K3S uses crystal filters, while the KX3 uses precision, 
narrowband low-pass filters. 

In direct-sampling SDRs, the ADC is right at the front end of the radio, 
protected only by wideband LC filters. The result is typically 15-20 dB lower 
blocking dynamic range. More subtle is the effect of multiple signals, which 
can combine in phase to hit the limit of the ADC, resulting in unwanted images. 

It's a tradeoff; a direct-sampling SDR can allow you to look at multiple MHz of 
bandwidth on its spectrum display, if that's of interest.

Wayne
N6KR


On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:57 PM, Phil Wheeler  wrote:

> Joe,
> 
> Thanks for addressing what to me is the core issue with any rig -- 
> performance. A "bells and whistles" user interface -- and that can be a 
> matter of personal preference -- may sell a lot of rigs, but to me 
> performance is key in selecting a base station transceiver. I can compromise 
> performance for special applications like portable ops, QRP, etc. but I want 
> my main station radio to be near the top of the list in the Sherwoodian sense.
> 
> After looking at the information here 
> http://www.icomamerica.com/en/products/amateur/hf/7300/default.aspx an in the 
> pdf file linked here: 
> http://www.icomamerica.com/en/downloads/DownloadDetails.aspx?Document=746
> and from the general appearance of the Icom-7300 (ports, controls, etc.) I 
> don't expect it to be near the top when Rob Sherwood tests it. Of course, it 
> hinges on a number of factors -- including those you brought up below -- and 
> I could be surprised. Even so, while I'm not spring-loaded against SDR rigs 
> (the KX3 is basically an SDR radio, after all, and I enjoy mine), I can do 
> without a touch-screen interface.  But I've been at this for 62 years now, so 
> maybe I'm just "old fashioned" :-)
> 
> 73, Phil W7OX
> 
> On 9/3/15 1:39 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>> 
>>> I think this is Icom's way of dipping their toe in the water and not
>>> upsetting their fan base by introducing an SDR in convention looking
>>> hardware. I am confident that they will be releasing a whole line of
>>> stand alone SDR rigs...
>> 
>> The question will be what quality ADC Icom uses in the front end of the
>> 7300 and how clean (phase noise) they can make the synthesizer (clock).
>> 
>> If they have enough ADC bits to provide dynamic range, their claimed
>> synthesizer phase noise comparison should put the 7300 at about the
>> same level as the Ten-Tec Eagle in the Sherwood "chart" (e.g., 92-95
>> dB IMDDR3, -134 dBc @ 10 KHz phase noise, 125-130 dB 100 KHz blocking
>> [ADC limited]).
>> 
>> If Icom "cheaps out" and uses an ADC with limited resolution (number of
>> bits) like some of its commercial products, the 7300 is likely to fall
>> way down the list - into the neighborhood of the IC-7000 or FT-2000.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>>  ... Joe, W4TV
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/3/2015 3:19 PM, Wm Robert Leschyna wrote:
>>> Personally I feel that a touch screen is a must in a "stand alone" (no pc
>>> needed) SDR, as it allows the future development and or creation and use of
>>> soft keys for functions that we may not even think of today. As for the
>>> IC7300, most of the time  you will likely be using the most commonly used
>>> functions which appear to be tied the physical knobs and buttons, and not
>>> have to touch the screen that much.
>>> 
>>> SDR is the way of the future, heck it is the way now, and I think this is
>>> Icom's way of dipping their toe in the water and not upsetting their fan
>>> base by introducing an SDR in convention looking hardware. I am confident
>>> that they will be releasing a whole line of stand alone SDR rigs...
>>> 
>>> I have owned a K2 a couple K3s and KX3, I love Elecraft and love supporting
>>> a made in North American brand, but frankly am confused as to why Elecraft
>>> isn't leading the pack on stand-alone SDR?
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> Bob
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Alan]

On 09/03/2015 08:01 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Each to his own, but I find touchscreens to be 'bothersome' - real
buttons with tactile feedback and real knobs do much better for me.


The nice thing about knobs is that over time you develop "muscle memory" 
where each one is and how to adjust it.  You can make the adjustments 
without thinking about it, so you can keep your mind focused on operating.


A touch screen might be handy for some things, but the prime operating 
controls should be knobs IM (not so) HO.  :=)


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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Gary]

Alan,

Nobody has said it better.

Elecraft = Knobs R Us

Gary

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On 09/03/2015 08:01 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Each to his own, but I find touchscreens to be 'bothersome' - real
> buttons with tactile feedback and real knobs do much better for me.

The nice thing about knobs is that over time you develop "muscle memory" 
where each one is and how to adjust it.  You can make the adjustments 
without thinking about it, so you can keep your mind focused on operating.

A touch screen might be handy for some things, but the prime operating 
controls should be knobs IM (not so) HO.  :=)

Alan N1AL

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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Walter Underwood]

I apologize in advance if this is getting far off topic, but there is a blog 
that reviews audio equipment purely on the basis of “knob feel”. It is deeply 
silly, but you know, I can’t really disagree. There are lame knobs, good knobs, 
and great knobs. The feel of a big audio variable attenuator? That’s a sweet 
knob, hard to replicate in the digital era.

We need to set this dude up with some amateur radio equipment.

http://knobfeel.tumblr.com/

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
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On Sep 3, 2015, at 8:01 PM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:

> Each to his own, but I find touchscreens to be 'bothersome' - real buttons 
> with tactile feedback and real knobs do much better for me.
> I have tried tuning with the mouse scrollwheel, but find it cumbersome.  For 
> my radio, give me buttons and knobs - I can do the tuning and button pushing 
> "by feel" and it does not take my concentration away by having to observe 
> what I am seeing on the screen.
> 
> Just my not so humble opinion.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 9/3/2015 10:33 PM, Brian Denley wrote:
>> I'm with Chris.  I like knobs too but touch screens are here to stay.
>> 
>> Brian
>> KB1VBF
>> Sent from my iPad
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>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Jim Lowman]

Now that I've had a smartphone for a few years, I can coexist with both 
worlds.

But, being an OT, I like my knobs and switches.
Surprisingly, I haven't bought a TS-991.

At the Huntsville Hamfest, I ordered a Flex 6700, as well as a K3S.
As a concession to the knob-twiddler in my personality, I pre-ordered 
the Maestro console for the 6700.
Aside from having some actual knobs, I can operate it anywhere in the 
house, on the patio, etc. as long as it can reach my wireless signal.


73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 9/3/2015 7:33 PM, Brian Denley wrote:

I'm with Chris.  I like knobs too but touch screens are here to stay.

Brian
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Don Wilhelm]

Each to his own, but I find touchscreens to be 'bothersome' - real 
buttons with tactile feedback and real knobs do much better for me.
I have tried tuning with the mouse scrollwheel, but find it cumbersome.  
For my radio, give me buttons and knobs - I can do the tuning and button 
pushing "by feel" and it does not take my concentration away by having 
to observe what I am seeing on the screen.


Just my not so humble opinion.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/3/2015 10:33 PM, Brian Denley wrote:

I'm with Chris.  I like knobs too but touch screens are here to stay.

Brian
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

I sure hope Elecraft Never goes to touch screens.
It would be a game changer alright, I would not buy it.




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 Subject: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300
   
Icom recently released news about the upcoming IC-7300 
<http://icomamerica.com/en/products/amateur/hf/7300/default.aspx> to be 
available by the end of the year.  A completely software-defined 
radio.  Looks like a real game-changer.
While the K3S is a nice upgrade, I think the tide is slowly shifting to 
touch sensitive, menu-driven, color displays.

I certainly hope the Elecraft is looking at this and considering its 
implications.


Doug -- K0DXV
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[John Fritze]

While I think touch screen technology is neat, and perhaps faster, my main
complaint is the screen is always filthy with finger oils.  Yes I can wipe
it off, but experience with an AVmap GPS, my Galaxy 5, an Ipad and a
Windows 8,1 laptop tells me that touch screen is not always the best
solution.  I like my screens clear and clean because if sun or incandescent
light hits at an angle it is difficult to read when full of smudges.

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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Brian Denley]

I'm with Chris.  I like knobs too but touch screens are here to stay.

Brian 
KB1VBF
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> On Sep 3, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Chris Hallinan  wrote:
> 
> I'll add my $0.02.  I'm not a huge fan of touch screen for the same reasons
> John mentions.  However, I would surely welcome a more modern color screen
> on my K3.  Maybe even a few programmable touch buttons in a similar fashion
> to the buttons across the bottom of the P3.
> 
> Hey, we all bought into the Elecraft performance story, and voted with our
> dollars.  But who wouldn't want a more modern look and feel, which by
> definition means a color graphics screen. That sentiment has been echoed
> before on this list, and I'm a newbie here, less than a year.
> 
> Here's a crazy idea: Take the P3 display and put it into the K3.  And then
> I wouldn't have to purchase a separate unit just for a panadapter.  I bet
> I'm not alone when I say my operating space has much competition for prime
> desktop real estate!!!  The idea of a separate standalone panadapter is
> pretty "old school" ;)  What modern high performance rig doesn't have one
> built in?  Don't bash me on that, I voted with my $$$, I'm a proud K3/P3
> owner.  But I can have a wish list, can't I?  ;)
> 
> -Chris
> K1AY
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 9:06 AM, John Fritze  wrote:
>> 
>> While I think touch screen technology is neat, and perhaps faster, my main
>> complaint is the screen is always filthy with finger oils.  Yes I can wipe
>> it off, but experience with an AVmap GPS, my Galaxy 5, an Ipad and a
>> Windows 8,1 laptop tells me that touch screen is not always the best
>> solution.  I like my screens clear and clean because if sun or incandescent
>> light hits at an angle it is difficult to read when full of smudges.
>> 
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[Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Doug Person via Elecraft]

Icom recently released news about the upcoming IC-7300 
 to be 
available by the end of the year.   A completely software-defined 
radio.  Looks like a real game-changer.
While the K3S is a nice upgrade, I think the tide is slowly shifting to 
touch sensitive, menu-driven, color displays.


I certainly hope the Elecraft is looking at this and considering its 
implications.



Doug -- K0DXV
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Buddy Brannan]

> On Sep 2, 2015, at 7:51 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Icom recently released news about the upcoming IC-7300 
>  to be 
> available by the end of the year.   A completely software-defined radio.  
> Looks like a real game-changer.
> While the K3S is a nice upgrade, I think the tide is slowly shifting to touch 
> sensitive, menu-driven, color displays.

Gods, I sure hope not! Sounds like a bloody nightmare to me. Guess the blind 
guys won't be buying Icoms. Change for change's sake if you ask me, which you 
didn't. *Grumble grumble gripe gritch* And get off my lawn. 
> 
> I certainly hope the Elecraft is looking at this and considering its 
> implications.

Yeah, I hope so too. I then hope that Elecraft will say "Screw all this touch 
screen nonsense". I mean, unless they plan to write an eyes-free interface for 
it. Which I'm sure Icom has not. It's sure gonna suck if something breaks that 
pretty touch screen sometime. How about having tactile controls and voice 
output so that drivers who put these things in their mobile stations can watch 
where they're aiming their cars instead of looking at their radios? Just a 
thought, but who listens to me? 

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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Chester Alderman]

I certainly hope NOT! What the heck does 'touch screen' have to do with xcvr
performance? Icom is not going to get off of that up conversion receiver
which removes the possibility to have narrow bandwidth roofing filters. I'm
sure there will be a lot of folks that will jump on to the 'touch screen'
display just like they did when Microsoft tried to push that onto their
users, and we know what a big failure that was!

Tom - W4BQF


-Original Message-
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Person via Elecraft
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 7:51 PM
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Subject: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

Icom recently released news about the upcoming IC-7300
<http://icomamerica.com/en/products/amateur/hf/7300/default.aspx> to be 
available by the end of the year.   A completely software-defined 
radio.  Looks like a real game-changer.
While the K3S is a nice upgrade, I think the tide is slowly shifting to
touch sensitive, menu-driven, color displays.

I certainly hope the Elecraft is looking at this and considering its
implications.


Doug -- K0DXV
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Ken Alexander]

There's a button right on the front panel that says SPLIT.

73,

Ken Alexander
VE3HLS



On 2015-09-02 8:48 PM, Tony Estep wrote:

I note that it has only one tuning knob, which in turn probably means you
can't do the standard dx-split operating technique. If that's the case,
then no matter what fancy gizmos it may boast, it would be of no interest
to me, and some others might feel the same.

Tony KT0NY
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Walter Underwood]

1. Icom did not make claims about SDR, they made claims about the direct 
sampling architecture. The KX3 is about as SDR as you can get.

2. The proposed rig is first from “major” amateur radio vendors. That is, not 
counting FlexRadio, Apache Labs, etc.

3. When are they going to fill the hole left by the IC-706? I know that is not 
sexy, but dang. They sold a lot of those.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

On Sep 2, 2015, at 5:24 PM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:

> The "King of SDR" computer driven radios is coming out with a box with knobs. 
>  Perhaps lesson learned that everyone does not like those touch sensitive, 
> menu driven, color display radios.  Besides, why rely on a computer to run 
> your transceiver when it can be done easily as a standalone device when no 
> computer is available or desired.
> I have tried tuning with a mouse wheel and clicking on a display with several 
> rig software applications, and I think tuning with a real knob is a lot more 
> convenient and satisfying to me.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 9/2/2015 7:51 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
>> Icom recently released news about the upcoming IC-7300 
>>  to be 
>> available by the end of the year.   A completely software-defined radio.  
>> Looks like a real game-changer.
>> While the K3S is a nice upgrade, I think the tide is slowly shifting to 
>> touch sensitive, menu-driven, color displays.
>> 
>> I certainly hope the Elecraft is looking at this and considering its 
>> implications.
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Glen Torr]

Hi All,
I liked the look of the 7300 and direct RF sampling is the future. It
appears to have a conventional user interface all be it includes a color
touch sceeen.
Cheers,
Glen


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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[charlie carroll]

Admittedly, I'm a serious contester.  Sit in front of a radio for 24,
36, 44.5 hrs (an aging contester) and you will soon see that the bells
and whistles, flashy lights, and other gizmos generally mean diddly. 
For me, keeping my fingers as near to the keyboard as possible is one of
those little things that contributes to the score.  Think about how much
effort is wasted messing with a mouse and then getting your fingers back
to proper keys.  Give me a few simple knobs and a keyboard and I'm happy
and efficient.  I'm happy that Elecraft has put the horsepower in the
radio and not gone overboard with the flashy light stuff.

Is the tide turning?  Not from my perspective.

73 charlie, k1xx

And no, I don't want to go back to paper logging!




On 9/2/2015 8:48 PM, Tony Estep wrote:
> I note that it has only one tuning knob, which in turn probably means you
> can't do the standard dx-split operating technique. If that's the case,
> then no matter what fancy gizmos it may boast, it would be of no interest
> to me, and some others might feel the same.
>
> Tony KT0NY
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Don Wilhelm]

The "King of SDR" computer driven radios is coming out with a box with 
knobs.  Perhaps lesson learned that everyone does not like those touch 
sensitive, menu driven, color display radios.  Besides, why rely on a 
computer to run your transceiver when it can be done easily as a 
standalone device when no computer is available or desired.
I have tried tuning with a mouse wheel and clicking on a display with 
several rig software applications, and I think tuning with a real knob 
is a lot more convenient and satisfying to me.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/2/2015 7:51 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
Icom recently released news about the upcoming IC-7300 
 to 
be available by the end of the year.   A completely software-defined 
radio.  Looks like a real game-changer.
While the K3S is a nice upgrade, I think the tide is slowly shifting 
to touch sensitive, menu-driven, color displays.


I certainly hope the Elecraft is looking at this and considering its 
implications.




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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Gary]

Personally, I prefer to use my hand, meaning more than one finger when 
operating over my index finger on a mouse 
Call me whatever but nothing is going to remove my K3 from me other than death 

Even then my cold stiff fingers will need prying from the K3

Eye candy   and pretty touchy feely thingies will not get me more contacts.

Oh well, call it progress I guess, but I will stick with my bullet proof K3, it 
just works.

Gary

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Sent: ‎3/‎09/‎2015 10:25 AM
To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

The "King of SDR" computer driven radios is coming out with a box with 
knobs.  Perhaps lesson learned that everyone does not like those touch 
sensitive, menu driven, color display radios.  Besides, why rely on a 
computer to run your transceiver when it can be done easily as a 
standalone device when no computer is available or desired.
I have tried tuning with a mouse wheel and clicking on a display with 
several rig software applications, and I think tuning with a real knob 
is a lot more convenient and satisfying to me.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/2/2015 7:51 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
> Icom recently released news about the upcoming IC-7300 
> <http://icomamerica.com/en/products/amateur/hf/7300/default.aspx> to 
> be available by the end of the year.   A completely software-defined 
> radio.  Looks like a real game-changer.
> While the K3S is a nice upgrade, I think the tide is slowly shifting 
> to touch sensitive, menu-driven, color displays.
>
> I certainly hope the Elecraft is looking at this and considering its 
> implications.
>

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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Tony Estep]

I note that it has only one tuning knob, which in turn probably means you
can't do the standard dx-split operating technique. If that's the case,
then no matter what fancy gizmos it may boast, it would be of no interest
to me, and some others might feel the same.

Tony KT0NY
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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Nothing.  It's just that every time Elecraft adds a cool new feature, 
they have to find a way to get it onto a front panel button.


If the buttons are drawn on the screen, they can be changed.

Not saying I'm a fan, just that it's an attractive problem for some folks.

Not sure how that works for visually impaired users.

73 -- Lynn

On 9/2/2015 5:21 PM, Chester Alderman wrote:

I certainly hope NOT! What the heck does 'touch screen' have to do with xcvr
performance?


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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Phil Wheeler]

Cute, but likely not my cup of tea.

Plus, zero info on performance!

73, Phil W7OX

On 9/2/15 4:51 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
Icom recently released news about the upcoming 
IC-7300 
 
to be available by the end of the year.   A 
completely software-defined radio.  Looks like a 
real game-changer.
While the K3S is a nice upgrade, I think the 
tide is slowly shifting to touch sensitive, 
menu-driven, color displays.


I certainly hope the Elecraft is looking at this 
and considering its implications.



Doug -- K0DXV


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Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

[Tony Estep]

Doesn't mean a thing. You need 2 tuning knobs and independent receivers.
On Sep 2, 2015 8:05 PM, "Ken Alexander"  wrote:

> There's a button right on the front panel that says SPLIT.
>
> 73,
>
> Ken Alexander
> VE3HLS
>
>
>
> On 2015-09-02 8:48 PM, Tony Estep wrote:
>
>> I note that it has only one tuning knob, which in turn probably means you
>> can't do the standard dx-split operating technique. If that's the case,
>> then no matter what fancy gizmos it may boast, it would be of no interest
>> to me, and some others might feel the same.
>>
>> Tony KT0NY
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