Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
We ordered a refrigerator last March, and it wasn't delivered till October, so there are a lot of delays across all manufacturing. On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 1:18 PM Walter Underwood wrote: > Just not true. The Ford F-150 production is limited by parts availability. > In November, our order for a new fridge was canceled and the model is still > not available. If huge industries like autos and appliances can’t get parts > sourced, little guys like Elecraft have to wait or redesign. > > > https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/chips-seating-foam-plastics-parts-shortages-continue-cripple-auto-industry-n1261773 > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > > On Mar 31, 2021, at 10:34 AM, j...@kk9a.com wrote: > > > > The corona virus may have delayed kid's education and the K4 for a year > but certainly not everything. Most products are still being manufactured > and are available. > > > > John KK9A > > > > > > > > Ray wa6vab wrote: > > > > Maybe Eric should just say…….. > > Life with the corona virus has delayed everything by One Year, > > So it is with the Delivery of the K4 ! > > I am sure You would not Accept or be Happy Either ! > > Ray WA6VAB K3 > > > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wun...@wunderwood.org > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w8lv...@gmail.com -- --w8lvn-- __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
Best Buy has been totally out of laser printers for months. Alan N1AL On 3/31/2021 12:16 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: Just not true. The Ford F-150 production is limited by parts availability. In November, our order for a new fridge was canceled and the model is still not available. If huge industries like autos and appliances can’t get parts sourced, little guys like Elecraft have to wait or redesign. https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/chips-seating-foam-plastics-parts-shortages-continue-cripple-auto-industry-n1261773 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
I'm just happy we got past the TP shortage. Lou W7HV On Wednesday, March 31, 2021, 1:14:04 PM MDT, Jim Brown wrote: On 3/31/2021 10:34 AM, j...@kk9a.com wrote: > Most products are still being manufactured and are available. Not true. We're one of the lucky ones whose home survived the summer's wildfires, but 3 weeks without power turned our fridge into a home for all sorts of stinking mold. The lead time on a new one was four months, and actual delivery was two months past that. Want to buy an RV to live in where your home used to be? Lead time is 6-12 months. Lead time for furniture we ordered around that time was 4-6 months. Two chairs we ordered two weeks are quoted for November. My XYL ordered a loom two months ago that she doesn't expect to see before July. I don't know where the fridge was mfd, but all the other stuff was/is made by small companies in the Sierra Nevada, the midwest and the eastern US. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to louand...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
On 3/31/2021 10:34 AM, j...@kk9a.com wrote: Most products are still being manufactured and are available. Not true. We're one of the lucky ones whose home survived the summer's wildfires, but 3 weeks without power turned our fridge into a home for all sorts of stinking mold. The lead time on a new one was four months, and actual delivery was two months past that. Want to buy an RV to live in where your home used to be? Lead time is 6-12 months. Lead time for furniture we ordered around that time was 4-6 months. Two chairs we ordered two weeks are quoted for November. My XYL ordered a loom two months ago that she doesn't expect to see before July. I don't know where the fridge was mfd, but all the other stuff was/is made by small companies in the Sierra Nevada, the midwest and the eastern US. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
I agree with Dave, although unlike him, I have ordered a K4, on the "no deposit" plan, so I'm not out any money. Of course, no one is actually out of money, other than the opportunity cost, if they chose to bail out. I sympathize with Elecraft's plight, but issues have plagued everyone and one would think that a company that manufactures communication equipment would communicate with their customer base. Of course, they aren't expected to advertise every problem in their business activity, but frequent tidbits would keep the faithful happy. Frankly, I got tired of waiting and wondering, and wanting at least one new radio before I croak, bought a TS-890. Shortly after I did a fire in one of Kenwood's semiconductor suppliers plant stalled their deliveries. But they announced this, found a workaround and began deliveries again, albeit at a $500 price increase. Will I still buy a K4? I dunno but I'm still an Elecraft fan with a K3, K3S, Kpod, KPA500 and KAT500, the latter two work well with the Kenwood. Wes N7WS On 3/30/2021 4:37 PM, David Gilbert wrote: Uhh .. I'm not the one doing the whining. The guys who post here asking when they might actually know when they will get their K4 are the ones you should maybe be accusing. I'm just making an outsider observation on their behalf. Besides, this isn't a marketing issue. It's a simple communications issue, and like I said ... if we can hear about QRP contacts and pedestrian mobile contacts, the folks who actually invested interest-free money for the last 20 months or so probably have a right to equal consideration. Dave AB7E __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
It is a good thing none of you are waiting for a new Bike. It will be 2023 before the bike industry recovers. Or build a house. Here in Canada (where we have lots of wood) lumber prices are up over 180%. 2x4" x 8ft aren't cheap. Mike va3mw __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
In my day job, working for a supplier of technology to a wide swath of consumer electronics manufacturers, I've observed over the past year major shifts in demand and the kinds of products people are buying. There have been surges in demand for some categories of products, and collapses in demand for other categories; all of which foil production and distribution plans which are normally designed to play-out of 18-36 months. There have been supply chain disruptions. There have been shipping and logistics disruptions. The disruptions go deep into almost every component and service you can imagine. Elecraft, or any small company building a niche product, who manages to stay solvent throughout all of this disruption is to be admired, even if their plans need to change radically. As for the perceived lack of communication: I can also understand their reluctance to say much when they have their own uncertainty about the future. About me: I'm happy to wait to order a K4 until they offer the kit. For me, it's a hobby, not my livelihood. On 3/31/21 10:34 AM, j...@kk9a.com wrote: The corona virus may have delayed kid's education and the K4 for a year but certainly not everything. Most products are still being manufactured and are available. John KK9A Ray wa6vab wrote: Maybe Eric should just say…….. Life with the corona virus has delayed everything by One Year, So it is with the Delivery of the K4 ! I am sure You would not Accept or be Happy Either ! Ray WA6VAB K3 -- --... ...-- SteveSgt, KC6ZKT, @CM97bj73 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
Just not true. The Ford F-150 production is limited by parts availability. In November, our order for a new fridge was canceled and the model is still not available. If huge industries like autos and appliances can’t get parts sourced, little guys like Elecraft have to wait or redesign. https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/chips-seating-foam-plastics-parts-shortages-continue-cripple-auto-industry-n1261773 wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 31, 2021, at 10:34 AM, j...@kk9a.com wrote: > > The corona virus may have delayed kid's education and the K4 for a year but > certainly not everything. Most products are still being manufactured and are > available. > > John KK9A > > > > Ray wa6vab wrote: > > Maybe Eric should just say…….. > Life with the corona virus has delayed everything by One Year, > So it is with the Delivery of the K4 ! > I am sure You would not Accept or be Happy Either ! > Ray WA6VAB K3 > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wun...@wunderwood.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
The corona virus may have delayed kid's education and the K4 for a year but certainly not everything. Most products are still being manufactured and are available. John KK9A Ray wa6vab wrote: Maybe Eric should just say…….. Life with the corona virus has delayed everything by One Year, So it is with the Delivery of the K4 ! I am sure You would not Accept or be Happy Either ! Ray WA6VAB K3 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
Uhh .. I'm not the one doing the whining. The guys who post here asking when they might actually know when they will get their K4 are the ones you should maybe be accusing. I'm just making an outsider observation on their behalf. Besides, this isn't a marketing issue. It's a simple communications issue, and like I said ... if we can hear about QRP contacts and pedestrian mobile contacts, the folks who actually invested interest-free money for the last 20 months or so probably have a right to equal consideration. Dave AB7E On 3/30/2021 4:22 PM, Eric Norris wrote: Elecraft is unlike all other world-class mfrs of amateur radio transceivers. They are very, very small. They have to be to keep their margins big enough to compete with giants who mfr marine, aviation, and consumer electronics. They can't get away with marketing a KX4 that puts out ONE WATT more than a KX3 and call it ALL NEW. If an engineer's house burns down, they can't easily slide someone else over from another project. Same with COVID. If you ran a company like Elecraft, would you publicize every setback when every single employee is critical? No, you wouldn't. Either give them more slack, and wait, or go somewhere else and buy something else. But please stop the endless whining. K4s are out there--I hear them on in contests. Eric has stated they hope to clear the Group 1 backlog by the end of May. He has also stated that K4 production will ramp up by an order of magnitude and more. Remember the K3 rollout? KPA1500? NO COVID. NO WILDFIRES. I just passed my two-week vax period, and I am older than almost everybody who works at Elecraft. Do the math. 73 Eric WD6DBM Besides, I don't find "if you can't accept being in the dark ask for your money back" to be sound business practice. It certainly wouldn't have been tolerated in the large business I ran for several years. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
Not true. You're wrong, and you're just trying to obfuscate the point. As I said, I don't have a K4 on order, but if I did have one on order and was given a clear projection that I could count on, at least I'd have what I needed to make an informed decision and I'd be satisfied with that. Those who have invested in the K4 don't have that. Dave AB7E On 3/30/2021 4:13 PM, Ray wrote: Maybe Eric should just say…….. Life with the corona virus has delayed everything by One Year, So it is with the Delivery of the K4 ! I am sure You would *not Accept or be Happy Either !* Ray WA6VAB K3 *From: *David Gilbert <mailto:ab7e...@gmail.com> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:38 PM *To: *Hal Massey <mailto:haljr.mas...@gmail.com> *Cc: *elecraft@mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net> *Subject: *Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews? If you believe all of that to be true, clearly you haven't been following the posts here on the reflector. Besides, I don't find "if you can't accept being in the dark ask for your money back" to be sound business practice. It certainly wouldn't have been tolerated in the large business I ran for several years. Dave AB7E On 3/30/2021 1:18 PM, Hal Massey wrote: > David, > > Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be > sympathetic too even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to > anyone that asks. Wouldn’t those that can’t have their money tied up > have pulled out by now? Wouldn’t those that are upset with the > communications be gone by now?? > > Regards > -Hal > >> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert > <mailto:ab7e...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> As the kids say, "cool story, bro." >> >> None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of >> money with almost zero visibility into when they will get their >> product, and the K4 situation doesn't have the significantly >> leveraged upside that your story did. There isn't the same >> risk/reward ratio here that your example had. Apples and potatoes. >> >> There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack >> for major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I >> don't understand is the almost total absence of regular communication >> on the delivery status. It makes no sense at all. If Wayne can find >> the time to tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he >> should be able to tell his investors where the company stands on >> actually producing the product that they paid for. >> >> I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, >> but that doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did. >> >> Dave AB7E >> >> >> >> On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote: >>> I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k >>> two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment. NO, actually I >>> can. >>> >>> >>> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I >>> had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru >>> many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new >>> product to market. The CEO vowed he would run the business as if >>> they were broke, which they very nearly were. But the employees >>> were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked >>> very hard to make it a success. >>> >>> >>> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me >>> that they had sold the company to another industry player (a >>> non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to >>> discuss the deal. My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that >>> day as I met the new management “team” (with all the old R team >>> still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions >>> and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) >>> had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the >>> wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of >>> further consolidation and rapid development. >>> >>> >>> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential >>> disaster we had all feared. >>> >>> >>> Hang in there. Times might seem tough, but there are some very >>> smart people at work here. >>> >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Lyn, W0LEN >>> >>> >>> From: elecraft...
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
H Anybody interested in trading a new K4 (when you get it) for a couple of really fine Chinese (they all are, folks ...) bicycles? I give up the bikes when you give up the K4. Deal? Just checking ... 73 Lyn, W0LEN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of SteveL Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 6:51 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews? I think there were also Elecraft employees who sadly lost their houses in the wild fires of last summer. That plus pandemic plus loss of IC fab house(s) in Asia plus cancelation of most all Ham conventions last year - just a lot to endure in the last 12 months - I do not envy anyone trying to keep a business afloat, and deliver hi-tech products. Then just when you thing you’ve got it pulled together, you get a container ship - with 20,000 container capacity(!), one of the worlds biggest ships (over 4 football fields in length!!!) - wedged sideways across the Suez, and 400+ ships backed up behind - it’s crazy. Try to buy a new quality bicycle today, say priced at $1k or more. The shops in my area are quoting 1.5 year delivery on Trek and recommending Craig’s List !!?&^!@! It’s just crazy. A perfect storm in so many ways and so many fronts. Hang in there! Steve aa8af __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
I think there were also Elecraft employees who sadly lost their houses in the wild fires of last summer. That plus pandemic plus loss of IC fab house(s) in Asia plus cancelation of most all Ham conventions last year - just a lot to endure in the last 12 months - I do not envy anyone trying to keep a business afloat, and deliver hi-tech products. Then just when you thing you’ve got it pulled together, you get a container ship - with 20,000 container capacity(!), one of the worlds biggest ships (over 4 football fields in length!!!) - wedged sideways across the Suez, and 400+ ships backed up behind - it’s crazy. Try to buy a new quality bicycle today, say priced at $1k or more. The shops in my area are quoting 1.5 year delivery on Trek and recommending Craig’s List !!?&^!@! It’s just crazy. A perfect storm in so many ways and so many fronts. Hang in there! Steve aa8af > > >> t is puzzling to see the lack of substantive information as other have >> posted. This has not been how Wayne and Eric and Elecraft have operated in >> the past. > > We're in the midst of a pandemic. Elecraft is a small company, and they've > had COVID in house. Systems that were set up for people working in their > office/lab/factory break down when that isn't possible. > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
Elecraft is unlike all other world-class mfrs of amateur radio transceivers. They are very, very small. They have to be to keep their margins big enough to compete with giants who mfr marine, aviation, and consumer electronics. They can't get away with marketing a KX4 that puts out ONE WATT more than a KX3 and call it ALL NEW. If an engineer's house burns down, they can't easily slide someone else over from another project. Same with COVID. If you ran a company like Elecraft, would you publicize every setback when every single employee is critical? No, you wouldn't. Either give them more slack, and wait, or go somewhere else and buy something else. But please stop the endless whining. K4s are out there--I hear them on in contests. Eric has stated they hope to clear the Group 1 backlog by the end of May. He has also stated that K4 production will ramp up by an order of magnitude and more. Remember the K3 rollout? KPA1500? NO COVID. NO WILDFIRES. I just passed my two-week vax period, and I am older than almost everybody who works at Elecraft. Do the math. 73 Eric WD6DBM Besides, I don't find "if you can't accept being in the dark ask for > your money back" to be sound business practice. It certainly wouldn't > have been tolerated in the large business I ran for several years. > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Maybe Eric should just say…….. Life with the corona virus has delayed everything by One Year, So it is with the Delivery of the K4 ! I am sure You would not Accept or be Happy Either ! Ray WA6VAB K3 From: David Gilbert Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:38 PM To: Hal Massey Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews? If you believe all of that to be true, clearly you haven't been following the posts here on the reflector. Besides, I don't find "if you can't accept being in the dark ask for your money back" to be sound business practice. It certainly wouldn't have been tolerated in the large business I ran for several years. Dave AB7E On 3/30/2021 1:18 PM, Hal Massey wrote: > David, > > Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be > sympathetic too even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to > anyone that asks. Wouldn’t those that can’t have their money tied up > have pulled out by now? Wouldn’t those that are upset with the > communications be gone by now?? > > Regards > -Hal > >> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert > <mailto:ab7e...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> As the kids say, "cool story, bro." >> >> None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of >> money with almost zero visibility into when they will get their >> product, and the K4 situation doesn't have the significantly >> leveraged upside that your story did. There isn't the same >> risk/reward ratio here that your example had. Apples and potatoes. >> >> There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack >> for major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I >> don't understand is the almost total absence of regular communication >> on the delivery status. It makes no sense at all. If Wayne can find >> the time to tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he >> should be able to tell his investors where the company stands on >> actually producing the product that they paid for. >> >> I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, >> but that doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did. >> >> Dave AB7E >> >> >> >> On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote: >>> I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k >>> two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment. NO, actually I >>> can. >>> >>> >>> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I >>> had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru >>> many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new >>> product to market. The CEO vowed he would run the business as if >>> they were broke, which they very nearly were. But the employees >>> were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked >>> very hard to make it a success. >>> >>> >>> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me >>> that they had sold the company to another industry player (a >>> non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to >>> discuss the deal. My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that >>> day as I met the new management “team” (with all the old R team >>> still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions >>> and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) >>> had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the >>> wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of >>> further consolidation and rapid development. >>> >>> >>> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential >>> disaster we had all feared. >>> >>> >>> Hang in there. Times might seem tough, but there are some very >>> smart people at work here. >>> >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Lyn, W0LEN >>> >>> >>> From: elecraft...@groups.io <mailto:elecraft...@groups.io> >>> [mailto:elecraft...@groups.io <mailto:elecraft...@groups.io>] On >>> Behalf Of Ted Roycraft >>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM >>> To: elecraft...@groups.io <mailto:elecraft...@groups.io> >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews? >>> >>> >>> The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear >>> something official from Elecraft. It's been too long since we've >>> heard
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
If you believe all of that to be true, clearly you haven't been following the posts here on the reflector. Besides, I don't find "if you can't accept being in the dark ask for your money back" to be sound business practice. It certainly wouldn't have been tolerated in the large business I ran for several years. Dave AB7E On 3/30/2021 1:18 PM, Hal Massey wrote: David, Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be sympathetic too even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to anyone that asks. Wouldn’t those that can’t have their money tied up have pulled out by now? Wouldn’t those that are upset with the communications be gone by now?? Regards -Hal On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert <mailto:ab7e...@gmail.com>> wrote: As the kids say, "cool story, bro." None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of money with almost zero visibility into when they will get their product, and the K4 situation doesn't have the significantly leveraged upside that your story did. There isn't the same risk/reward ratio here that your example had. Apples and potatoes. There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack for major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I don't understand is the almost total absence of regular communication on the delivery status. It makes no sense at all. If Wayne can find the time to tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he should be able to tell his investors where the company stands on actually producing the product that they paid for. I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, but that doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did. Dave AB7E On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote: I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment. NO, actually I can. Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market. The CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very nearly were. But the employees were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked very hard to make it a success. Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal. My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management “team” (with all the old R team still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of further consolidation and rapid development. It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we had all feared. Hang in there. Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people at work here. 73 Lyn, W0LEN From: elecraft...@groups.io <mailto:elecraft...@groups.io> [mailto:elecraft...@groups.io <mailto:elecraft...@groups.io>] On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM To: elecraft...@groups.io <mailto:elecraft...@groups.io> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews? The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something official from Elecraft. It's been too long since we've heard much of anything. I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will have to wait another year. I could have asked much the same question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now. By the way, when I submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be November or December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic. 73, Ted, W2ZK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm <http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net <mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net <http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html <http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> Message delivered toab7e...@gmail.com <mailto:ab7e...@gmail.com> __ Elecraft mailing list Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecra
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
Following the posts everyday…. > On Mar 30, 2021, at 2:57 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > > > > If you believe all of that to be true, clearly you haven't been following the > posts here on the reflector. > > Besides, I don't find "if you can't accept being in the dark ask for your > money back" to be sound business practice. It certainly wouldn't have been > tolerated in the large business I ran for several years. > > Dave AB7E > > > > On 3/30/2021 1:18 PM, Hal Massey wrote: >> David, >> >> Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be sympathetic too >> even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to anyone that asks. Wouldn’t >> those that can’t have their money tied up have pulled out by now? Wouldn’t >> those that are upset with the communications be gone by now?? >> >> Regards >> -Hal >> >>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert >> <mailto:ab7e...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> As the kids say, "cool story, bro." >>> >>> None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of money >>> with almost zero visibility into when they will get their product, and the >>> K4 situation doesn't have the significantly leveraged upside that your >>> story did. There isn't the same risk/reward ratio here that your example >>> had. Apples and potatoes. >>> >>> There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack for >>> major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I don't >>> understand is the almost total absence of regular communication on the >>> delivery status. It makes no sense at all. If Wayne can find the time to >>> tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he should be able to >>> tell his investors where the company stands on actually producing the >>> product that they paid for. >>> >>> I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, but that >>> doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did. >>> >>> Dave AB7E >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote: >>>> I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two >>>> years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment. NO, actually I can. >>>> >>>> >>>> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been >>>> associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the >>>> same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market. >>>> The CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they >>>> very nearly were. But the employees were faithful believers in the >>>> company and the product, and worked very hard to make it a success. >>>> >>>> >>>> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they >>>> had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and >>>> that they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal. My fear >>>> and trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management >>>> “team” (with all the old R team still hard at work), got viable answers >>>> to all the hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash >>>> infusion ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things >>>> around, grease the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that >>>> precipitated a wave of further consolidation and rapid development. >>>> >>>> >>>> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we >>>> had all feared. >>>> >>>> >>>> Hang in there. Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart >>>> people at work here. >>>> >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> >>>> Lyn, W0LEN >>>> >>>> >>>> From: elecraft...@groups.io <mailto:elecraft...@groups.io> >>>> [mailto:elecraft...@groups.io <mailto:elecraft...@groups.io>] On Behalf Of >>>> Ted Roycraft >>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM >>>> To: elecraft...@groups.io <mailto:elecraft...@groups.io> >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews? >>>> >>>> >>>> The natives are getting restle
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
On 3/30/2021 1:33 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: t is puzzling to see the lack of substantive information as other have posted. This has not been how Wayne and Eric and Elecraft have operated in the past. We're in the midst of a pandemic. Elecraft is a small company, and they've had COVID in house. Systems that were set up for people working in their office/lab/factory break down when that isn't possible. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
"Group 1, done by May" ?? Would be nice. I am not going to hold my breath. The few (2?), "I got a UPS package", were from orders entered the first day. Group 1 was not closed until Jan 2020?? "I Think" some of the communications from Elecraft are "hung up" with the Ferengi print from the online event keeping Elecraft from re-publishing any of the online event communication until the end of the 30 day "hold". If I was running the online event, I would want exclusive "use" of any publications for the full 30 days. So, 16? Apr... Yes, I could pay my $10 and see all the doc. I was unavailable during the actual event, so I didn't sign up at all. The last I looked, the KX3 is back ordered, too. I would not mind an additional 6 month delay, IF I was told it was because Elecraft was moving to TN so that they could save 10% over current cost/taxes in CA. I don't expect a move to happen. So, 60 days till the end of May, can they do it? I placed my Group 1 order a week or so before Thanksgiving 2019... 73, steve WB3LGC On 3/30/21 3:17 PM, John Stengrevics wrote: During the online event some weeks ago,*Eric said he expected to finish Group 1 by May. * 73, John WA1EAZ On Mar 30, 2021, at 2:51 PM, Steven Kline via Elecraft wrote: Paid in full here since last year and ordered June 2019, try rationalizing that with spouse. Down to my last TT Orion of two, barely keeping it on the air. Almost at point of needing to cancel and ask money be returned so I can get something else and keep operating. Seeing nothing, hearing nothing (not even from anyone receiving a K-4 - assuming some are shipping). Latter I don’t understand how anyone would allow themselves to be bound in secrecy. If occurring must be significant benefit for observing code of silence. I see no light at all inside the tunnel. Steve - W5JK On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote: I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment. NO, actually I can. Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market. The CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very nearly were. But the employees were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked very hard to make it a success. Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal. My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management “team” (with all the old R team still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of further consolidation and rapid development. It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we had all feared. Hang in there. Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people at work here. 73 Lyn, W0LEN From: elecraft...@groups.io [mailto:elecraft...@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM To: elecraft...@groups.io Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews? The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something official from Elecraft. It's been too long since we've heard much of anything. I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will have to wait another year. I could have asked much the same question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now. By the way, when I submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be November or December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic. 73, Ted, W2ZK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to skli...@verizon.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.n
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
I am curious. Did you miss the update that was done via the remote Hamvention a few weeks ago. Group 1 clears in May?? Is your communication comment based on lack of website info? Customer’s that paid (me) should get emails every week?? I feel like I have been kept in the loop. That’s quite different than being over joyed by a delay... > On Mar 30, 2021, at 2:33 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: > > It is puzzling to see the lack of substantive information as other have > posted. This has not been how Wayne and Eric and Elecraft have operated in > the past. > > I don't believe it is asking too much for regular updates on delivery dates. > > Just because some are not happy with a delay does not mean that tehy don't > want the product. This radio is a lot of money for many people. I doubt > they are doing so well that they can afford to chase off a portion of their > business. It cost far more to bring in new customers than it does to keep > old ones. > > W0MU > > > > > > On 3/30/2021 2:18 PM, Hal Massey wrote: >> David, >> >> Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be sympathetic too >> even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to anyone that asks. Wouldn’t >> those that can’t have their money tied up have pulled out by now? Wouldn’t >> those that are upset with the communications be gone by now?? >> >> Regards >> -Hal >> >>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert wrote: >>> >>> >>> As the kids say, "cool story, bro." >>> >>> None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of money >>> with almost zero visibility into when they will get their product, and the >>> K4 situation doesn't have the significantly leveraged upside that your >>> story did. There isn't the same risk/reward ratio here that your example >>> had. Apples and potatoes. >>> >>> There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack for >>> major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I don't >>> understand is the almost total absence of regular communication on the >>> delivery status. It makes no sense at all. If Wayne can find the time to >>> tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he should be able to >>> tell his investors where the company stands on actually producing the >>> product that they paid for. >>> >>> I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, but that >>> doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did. >>> >>> Dave AB7E >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote: >>>> I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two >>>> years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment. NO, actually I can. >>>> >>>> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had >>>> been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of >>>> the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to >>>> market. The CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, >>>> which they very nearly were. But the employees were faithful believers in >>>> the company and the product, and worked very hard to make it a success. >>>> >>>> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that >>>> they had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) >>>> and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal. My >>>> fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new >>>> management “team” (with all the old R team still hard at work), got >>>> viable answers to all the hard questions and quickly recognized how an >>>> immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally >>>> turn things around, grease the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that >>>> precipitated a wave of further consolidation and rapid development. >>>> >>>> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster >>>> we had all feared. >>>> >>>> Hang in there. Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart >>>> people at work here. >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> >>>> Lyn, W0LEN >>>> >>>> From: elecraft...@groups.io [mailto:elecraft...@groups.io] On Behalf Of >>>&g
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
You might try the "K4-Elecraft" group... -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of W0MU Mike Fatchett Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 3:33 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews? It is puzzling to see the lack of substantive information as other have posted. This has not been how Wayne and Eric and Elecraft have operated in the past. I don't believe it is asking too much for regular updates on delivery dates. Just because some are not happy with a delay does not mean that tehy don't want the product. This radio is a lot of money for many people. I doubt they are doing so well that they can afford to chase off a portion of their business. It cost far more to bring in new customers than it does to keep old ones. W0MU On 3/30/2021 2:18 PM, Hal Massey wrote: > David, > > Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be sympathetic too > even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to anyone that asks. Wouldn’t > those that can’t have their money tied up have pulled out by now? Wouldn’t > those that are upset with the communications be gone by now?? > > Regards > -Hal > >> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert wrote: >> >> >> As the kids say, "cool story, bro." >> >> None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of money >> with almost zero visibility into when they will get their product, and the >> K4 situation doesn't have the significantly leveraged upside that your story >> did. There isn't the same risk/reward ratio here that your example had. >> Apples and potatoes. >> >> There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack for major >> and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I don't understand is >> the almost total absence of regular communication on the delivery status. >> It makes no sense at all. If Wayne can find the time to tell us about his >> latest pedestrian mobile contact he should be able to tell his investors >> where the company stands on actually producing the product that they paid >> for. >> >> I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, but that >> doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did. >> >> Dave AB7E >> >> >> >> On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote: >>> I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years >>> ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment. NO, actually I can. >>> >>> >>> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been >>> associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the >>> same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market. >>> The CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they >>> very nearly were. But the employees were faithful believers in the company >>> and the product, and worked very hard to make it a success. >>> >>> >>> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they >>> had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that >>> they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal. My fear and >>> trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management “team” >>> (with all the old R team still hard at work), got viable answers to all >>> the hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion >>> ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease >>> the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of >>> further consolidation and rapid development. >>> >>> >>> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we >>> had all feared. >>> >>> >>> Hang in there. Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart >>> people at work here. >>> >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Lyn, W0LEN >>> >>> >>> From: elecraft...@groups.io [mailto:elecraft...@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted >>> Roycraft >>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM >>> To: elecraft...@groups.io >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews? >>> >>> >>> The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something >>> official from Elecraft. It's been too long since we've heard much of >>> anything. I would like to know if I can expect my Grou
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
It is puzzling to see the lack of substantive information as other have posted. This has not been how Wayne and Eric and Elecraft have operated in the past. I don't believe it is asking too much for regular updates on delivery dates. Just because some are not happy with a delay does not mean that tehy don't want the product. This radio is a lot of money for many people. I doubt they are doing so well that they can afford to chase off a portion of their business. It cost far more to bring in new customers than it does to keep old ones. W0MU On 3/30/2021 2:18 PM, Hal Massey wrote: David, Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be sympathetic too even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to anyone that asks. Wouldn’t those that can’t have their money tied up have pulled out by now? Wouldn’t those that are upset with the communications be gone by now?? Regards -Hal On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert wrote: As the kids say, "cool story, bro." None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of money with almost zero visibility into when they will get their product, and the K4 situation doesn't have the significantly leveraged upside that your story did. There isn't the same risk/reward ratio here that your example had. Apples and potatoes. There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack for major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I don't understand is the almost total absence of regular communication on the delivery status. It makes no sense at all. If Wayne can find the time to tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he should be able to tell his investors where the company stands on actually producing the product that they paid for. I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, but that doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did. Dave AB7E On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote: I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment. NO, actually I can. Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market. The CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very nearly were. But the employees were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked very hard to make it a success. Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal. My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management “team” (with all the old R team still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of further consolidation and rapid development. It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we had all feared. Hang in there. Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people at work here. 73 Lyn, W0LEN From: elecraft...@groups.io [mailto:elecraft...@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM To: elecraft...@groups.io Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews? The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something official from Elecraft. It's been too long since we've heard much of anything. I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will have to wait another year. I could have asked much the same question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now. By the way, when I submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be November or December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic. 73, Ted, W2ZK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ab7e...@gmail.com <mailto:ab7e...@gmail.com> __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm <http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mai
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
David, Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be sympathetic too even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to anyone that asks. Wouldn’t those that can’t have their money tied up have pulled out by now? Wouldn’t those that are upset with the communications be gone by now?? Regards -Hal > On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert wrote: > > > As the kids say, "cool story, bro." > > None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of money > with almost zero visibility into when they will get their product, and the K4 > situation doesn't have the significantly leveraged upside that your story > did. There isn't the same risk/reward ratio here that your example had. > Apples and potatoes. > > There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack for major > and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I don't understand is > the almost total absence of regular communication on the delivery status. It > makes no sense at all. If Wayne can find the time to tell us about his > latest pedestrian mobile contact he should be able to tell his investors > where the company stands on actually producing the product that they paid for. > > I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, but that > doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did. > > Dave AB7E > > > > On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote: >> I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years >> ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment. NO, actually I can. >> >> >> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been >> associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same >> types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market. The >> CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very >> nearly were. But the employees were faithful believers in the company and >> the product, and worked very hard to make it a success. >> >> >> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they >> had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that >> they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal. My fear and >> trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management “team” >> (with all the old R team still hard at work), got viable answers to all >> the hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion >> ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease >> the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of >> further consolidation and rapid development. >> >> >> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we >> had all feared. >> >> >> Hang in there. Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people >> at work here. >> >> >> 73 >> >> Lyn, W0LEN >> >> >> From: elecraft...@groups.io [mailto:elecraft...@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted >> Roycraft >> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM >> To: elecraft...@groups.io >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews? >> >> >> The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something >> official from Elecraft. It's been too long since we've heard much of >> anything. I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted >> on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 >> begins or is it likely that I will have to wait another year. I could have >> asked much the same question a year ago never expecting that a year from >> then, there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now. By the way, >> when I submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be >> November or December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic. >> >> 73, Ted, W2ZK >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ab7e...@gmail.com <mailto:ab7e...@gmail.com> > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailm
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
As the kids say, "cool story, bro." None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of money with almost zero visibility into when they will get their product, and the K4 situation doesn't have the significantly leveraged upside that your story did. There isn't the same risk/reward ratio here that your example had. Apples and potatoes. There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack for major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I don't understand is the almost total absence of regular communication on the delivery status. It makes no sense at all. If Wayne can find the time to tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he should be able to tell his investors where the company stands on actually producing the product that they paid for. I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, but that doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did. Dave AB7E On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote: I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment. NO, actually I can. Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market. The CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very nearly were. But the employees were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked very hard to make it a success. Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal. My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management “team” (with all the old R team still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of further consolidation and rapid development. It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we had all feared. Hang in there. Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people at work here. 73 Lyn, W0LEN From: elecraft...@groups.io [mailto:elecraft...@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM To: elecraft...@groups.io Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews? The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something official from Elecraft. It's been too long since we've heard much of anything. I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will have to wait another year. I could have asked much the same question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now. By the way, when I submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be November or December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic. 73, Ted, W2ZK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ab7e...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
During the online event some weeks ago, Eric said he expected to finish Group 1 by May. 73, John WA1EAZ > On Mar 30, 2021, at 2:51 PM, Steven Kline via Elecraft > wrote: > > Paid in full here since last year and ordered June 2019, try rationalizing > that with spouse. Down to my last TT Orion of two, barely keeping it on the > air. Almost at point of needing to cancel and ask money be returned so I can > get something else and keep operating. Seeing nothing, hearing nothing (not > even from anyone receiving a K-4 - assuming some are shipping). Latter I > don’t understand how anyone would allow themselves to be bound in secrecy. > If occurring must be significant benefit for observing code of silence. I > see no light at all inside the tunnel. > > Steve - W5JK > >> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote: >> >> I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years >> ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment. NO, actually I can. >> >> >> >> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been >> associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same >> types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market. The >> CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very >> nearly were. But the employees were faithful believers in the company and >> the product, and worked very hard to make it a success. >> >> >> >> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they >> had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that >> they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal. My fear and >> trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management “team” >> (with all the old R team still hard at work), got viable answers to all >> the hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion >> ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease >> the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of >> further consolidation and rapid development. >> >> >> >> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we >> had all feared. >> >> >> >> Hang in there. Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people >> at work here. >> >> >> >> 73 >> >> Lyn, W0LEN >> >> >> >> From: elecraft...@groups.io [mailto:elecraft...@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted >> Roycraft >> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM >> To: elecraft...@groups.io >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews? >> >> >> >> The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something >> official from Elecraft. It's been too long since we've heard much of >> anything. I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted >> on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 >> begins or is it likely that I will have to wait another year. I could have >> asked much the same question a year ago never expecting that a year from >> then, there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now. By the way, >> when I submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be >> November or December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic. >> >> 73, Ted, W2ZK >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to skli...@verizon.net > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jstengrev...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
Paid in full here since last year and ordered June 2019, try rationalizing that with spouse. Down to my last TT Orion of two, barely keeping it on the air. Almost at point of needing to cancel and ask money be returned so I can get something else and keep operating. Seeing nothing, hearing nothing (not even from anyone receiving a K-4 - assuming some are shipping). Latter I don’t understand how anyone would allow themselves to be bound in secrecy. If occurring must be significant benefit for observing code of silence. I see no light at all inside the tunnel. Steve - W5JK > On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote: > > I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years > ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment. NO, actually I can. > > > > Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been > associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same > types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market. The > CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very > nearly were. But the employees were faithful believers in the company and > the product, and worked very hard to make it a success. > > > > Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they > had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that > they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal. My fear and > trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management “team” > (with all the old R team still hard at work), got viable answers to all the > hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 > Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the > wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of further > consolidation and rapid development. > > > > It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we > had all feared. > > > > Hang in there. Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people > at work here. > > > > 73 > > Lyn, W0LEN > > > > From: elecraft...@groups.io [mailto:elecraft...@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted > Roycraft > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM > To: elecraft...@groups.io > Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews? > > > > The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something > official from Elecraft. It's been too long since we've heard much of > anything. I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted > on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 begins > or is it likely that I will have to wait another year. I could have asked > much the same question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, > there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now. By the way, when I > submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be November or > December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic. > > 73, Ted, W2ZK > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to skli...@verizon.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?
I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment. NO, actually I can. Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market. The CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very nearly were. But the employees were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked very hard to make it a success. Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal. My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management “team” (with all the old R team still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of further consolidation and rapid development. It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we had all feared. Hang in there. Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people at work here. 73 Lyn, W0LEN From: elecraft...@groups.io [mailto:elecraft...@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM To: elecraft...@groups.io Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews? The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something official from Elecraft. It's been too long since we've heard much of anything. I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will have to wait another year. I could have asked much the same question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now. By the way, when I submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be November or December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic. 73, Ted, W2ZK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
