Re: [Elecraft] Revised Shipping date for K3
SPOILER: At the end of Deathly Hallows, Harry discovers that Rosebud is a sled. Then he wakes up, middle aged, next to Suzanne Pleshette. 73 de Jim, N2EY What a rotten thing to do... that was *cruel*! :) Bruce, NM5B ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Revised Shipping date for K3/CW decode
A lot depends on how well it decodes someone sending with his left foot and only a few dB above the noise. But I hope you're right. CW is the original digital mode! -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 9/14/07, Jay Schwisow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I expect many non-CW guys (and gals) will get on CW with this in-display decode feature. Cool and well done Elecraft! ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Revised Shipping date for K3
Hi Bob, I would rather be told that the first radios will not ship until say 6th January 2008, rather than be continually disappointed every few weeks by further stories of delays to parts required. But that's half the fun... ;-) Seriously, Eric and Wayne have always been a bit on the optimistic side, and I don't feel that the delays have been excessive up to now. They are more or less what I expected. Keeping people, some of whom have paid a large amount months ago, about 95% in my case, informed is a good idea but it shouldn't get in the way of Elecraft's real work. A short mail to the list, once a week seems to me to be a good compromise. It is this kind of feed back which actually is a major part of the Elecraft reputation. Happily awaiting my K3, toby ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Revised Shipping date for K3
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007, robert hammond wrote: I would rather be told that the first radios will not ship until say 6th January 2008, rather than be continually disappointed every few weeks by further stories of delays to parts required. Poor Elecrafttrying to keep folks in forms sullies their reputation. If they took your advices there might still be a number of folks posting questions on why there was a delay, yatta, yatta, yatta. Seems to me that instead of offering Eleccraft unsolicited marketing advice, we might just sit back and wait for the units to ship...as all of the after the fact management advice may not quicken the ship dateand if there is enough of it, we'll see Wayne and Eric taking time away from getting the units out the door to post here. I will look forward to receiving my K3 iwhenever it arrives . Then why make the fuss ? 73 - k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Revised Shipping date for K3
Well perhaps you would like them to put you down for that date and let someone else take your place in the queue? Do you really think it would be preferable for them to keep the finished radios in a warehouse until some announced date? Why must some people always find a reason to complain? It only takes one part to be missing to stop the entire shipment. This is outside anyone's control. By keeping us informed Elecraft deserves some sympathy from us, not more complaints. I am sure they are just about as frustrated as we are, having devoted a large part of their lives to bringing the K3 into existence and then when it's just about complete being prevented from delivering it. Let's have some perspective. At the end of the day, it's just a radio that will be used for a hobby. It's not a key piece of equipment for a business project that is going to cost you money every day it's late being delivered. It's disappointing that it's late, but that's all. There are far worse things that could happen. -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 9/14/07, robert hammond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would rather be told that the first radios will not ship until say 6th January 2008, rather ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Revised Shipping date for K3
Estimates promise dates. Anytime someone is doing something new, producing an estimate of when it will be done is tough. How do you know how long it will take to do something you've never done before? Then if you include the fact that your suppliers have the same problem (unable to accurately predict completion dates) you begin to see how tough it is. Now, add to that a customer base (or management base) who wants you to DELIVER ON TIME and is constantly pressing you with questions like how soon can you have it done. Suddenly, you're giving optimistic estimates based on optimistic estimates from your suppliers. Meeting these dates is nearly impossible. In the end, it will take what it takes. You can stand there and watch the kettle boil but you won't get your tea any sooner that way and if you keep taking off the stove the measure the temperature, it just might take longer. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one having these sorts of issues at work :-) - Keith N1AS - - K2 5411.ssb.100 - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Revised Shipping date for K3
There will be a K3 presentation at the RSGB HF convention in October, http://www.rsgb.org/hfc/ Simon Brown, HB9DRV - Original Message - From: Björn Mohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, as a European I don't mind delays right now... the dollar is weaker and the K3 is getting cheaper! :) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Revised Shipping date for K3
Well Richard we will have to agree to disagree. Unlike you I am one of the people who helped finance the radio's production. Therefore if anything this makes me more entitled to complain than you. As a customer of Elecraft since 1999 I was happy to put down the deposit. I was confident they will deliver the radio I am so keen to own. I still am. Sure, it is not being delivered by the dates they originally said. But I'm still going to receive it before all those who didn't stump up the deposit, and that's all I expected. I knew there was a chance there would be a slippage in the delivery dates. That's the risk I took. I still think it was worth the risk. It's absolute nonsense to describe as incompetence the reasons for the delay. I suppose you would say the same about Microsoft for its delays in shipping Windows Vista? They were only shipping software, so no excuses of unavailable parts. And that delay resulting in a launch after Christmas cost their customers millions of dollars in lost sales of new computers. All the delayed shipping of the K3 is costing is a few frayed tempers. Sure you could count the lost interest on the deposit paid, or even the changing exchange rates. I'm sure the K3 is going to be worth what I pay. If I hadn't been, I'd have waited until they were shipping and I could see one, work one, read what people said about them, before making the decision. -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 9/14/07, Richard Beerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Julian I cannot tell you how much I completely disagree with you about Elecraft's delivery delays. Thank goodness I have not sent them any money to date. As a previous writer to this forum wrote, Elecraft financed this radio's production by early subscription and not by going down to the bank for a loan as most companies would. They have indicated a number of dates for a delivery of the K-3. While there might no tight contract regarding delivery, they certainly implied a delivery date to induce further sales of the K-3. I think they are getting dangerously close to a descptive trade practice situation no matter how unintentional. Imagine that the current excuse for non shipment is a toriod or a screw. How totally incompetent! They should have had a qualified purchasing agent on board. They should have had real written contracts with these suppliers to deliver the components on time with penalties for non performance. It's a business, for crying out loud! I was going to order my K-3 in March, 2008 after everything was shaken out and the firmware perfected. I think I will be months delayed and I am really mad about it. Don't excuse these Elecraft guys. They might be great engineers but they are pretty poor at manufacturing a large numbers of radios at any given time. Very poor managers in my opinion. So, when I read all the email on the reflector from the coolaid drinkers, the guys who excuse poor business practices to the point of unethical, I see red and purple! Flame at will because I am absolutely correct. Dick VR2/W5AK From: Julian G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Revised Shipping date for K3 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:21:08 +0100 Well perhaps you would like them to put you down for that date and let someone else take your place in the queue? Do you really think it would be preferable for them to keep the finished radios in a warehouse until some announced date? Why must some people always find a reason to complain? It only takes one part to be missing to stop the entire shipment. This is outside anyone's control. By keeping us informed Elecraft deserves some sympathy from us, not more complaints. I am sure they are just about as frustrated as we are, having devoted a large part of their lives to bringing the K3 into existence and then when it's just about complete being prevented from delivering it. Let's have some perspective. At the end of the day, it's just a radio that will be used for a hobby. It's not a key piece of equipment for a business project that is going to cost you money every day it's late being delivered. It's disappointing that it's late, but that's all. There are far worse things that could happen. -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 9/14/07, robert hammond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would rather be told that the first radios will not ship until say 6th January 2008, rather ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Revised Shipping date for K3
On 9/14/07, Richard Beerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: money to date. As a previous writer to this forum wrote, Elecraft financed this radio's production by early subscription and not by going down to the bank for a loan as most companies would. That's one way to look at it and it is true to a point but does not capture the full picture. What they also did was allow people to get in line to be guaranteed of being the first to get a rig. I don't think anyone would consider this any sort of deceitful tactic. Advance sales is a rather common thing. It works for both parties involved and is OPTIONAL so no harm done. They have indicated a number of dates for a delivery of the K-3. While there might no tight contract regarding delivery, they certainly implied a delivery date to induce further sales of the K-3. to induce further sales? I don't think that position is supportable. If they had said first delivery would be in Nov, would advanced sales have been less? I suspect not. Instead they've given their best estimate of when the K3 will be done. The wise purchaser would have taken those dates as optimistic and would have been prepared for delays. I think they are getting dangerously close to a descptive trade practice situation no matter how unintentional. Imagine that the current excuse for non shipment is a toriod or a screw. How totally incompetent! They should have had a qualified purchasing agent on board. They should have had real written contracts with these suppliers to deliver the components on time with penalties for non performance. It's a business, for crying out loud! Here I cry foul. Sorry, but even with qualified people on board there is no guarantee that your suppliers are going to perform to YOUR schedule. It is a new development effort and they ALWAYS have issues. This is nothing new and nothing out of the ordinary. Incompetent? Quite the opposite. Incompetent would be shipping late because LOTS of things are not done or ready. To be late because just a few parts didn't come through says that a LOT of things went very right. Contracts with non-performance clauses work just fine between US Government and Lockheed (big stuff) but I'm not sure that a small group like elecraft could get such an agreement in place with their suppliers. You have to have enough leverage with your supplier that they're willing to pay penalties. I was going to order my K-3 in March, 2008 after everything was shaken out and the firmware perfected. I think I will be months delayed and I am really mad about it. Don't excuse these Elecraft guys. They might be great engineers but they are pretty poor at manufacturing a large numbers of radios at any given time. Very poor managers in my opinion. So, when I read all the email on the reflector from the coolaid drinkers, the guys who excuse poor business practices to the point of unethical, I see red and purple! Flame at will because I am absolutely correct. Well I guess you'll be seeing some more red then. The issues that have been experienced are common to manufacturing companies nation wide. I've seen it here where I work. We wrestle with the same issues every day. Not too long ago there was a post to this group talking about the issues / delays at Collins when they brought out the S-line. Same stuff. Coolaid drinkers? Geeze laweez Dick, that's sort of harsh. You're referencing a mass murder event and saying we're all like victims of a cult leader? Of course, since you're absolutely correct, there is really not much point in trying to discuss any of this, so we'll just have to agree to disagree agreeably. 73 OM and the group! - Keith N1AS - - K2 5411.ssb.100 - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Revised Shipping date for K3
Julian G4ILO wrote: It's absolute nonsense to describe as incompetence the reasons for the delay. I suppose you would say the same about Microsoft for its delays in shipping Windows Vista? They were only shipping software, so no excuses of unavailable parts. I've kept quiet about this so far. For one thing, as a beta tester I can be accused of being 'biased toward Elecraft'. But some of the statements being made are so far off the mark that I felt the need to comment. Julian is so right. Have the complainers bought *any* new high-tech stuff, hardware or software, lately? Have they ever received a product that simply does not -- indeed could not, because of design defects -- work as advertised? I have. Have they ever received a product, say a new computer, with a certificate that allows them to purchase an operating system at some later date? And is said operating system missing drivers needed to operate said computer? Not to mention the fact that the operating system does not have all of the features promised? Have they ever had the experience of talking to an outsourced technical support person who has no idea of what they are talking about and whose solutions are designed to get the caller to hang up -- someone else will get him next time? Do the Japanese radio manufacturers issue weekly bulletins about delivery dates of new products? How long does it take them to fix bugs, like the FT1KMP key clicks? As a beta tester, whose radio still has all of the pre-production boards and who pasted little paper labels on my pre-production front panel where control functions have changed, I can tell you after using it that I wouldn't trade this radio for *anything* out there (well, I haven't tried the Hilberling PT-8000, about EU 12K for the 100-watt version). The K3 is not vapor, it's real. The firmware does not pretend to work, it works. It is really, really well thought out. It has depth. When you get it, it will do what Elecraft has promised, and if you have a problem they will fix it. And as the firmware evolves, it will get better and better, in terms of features and performance. So who cares if it's a few weeks late? Or months, for that matter? -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Revised Shipping date for K3
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007, Vic K2VCO wrote: As a beta tester, whose radio still has all of the pre-production boards and who pasted little paper labels on my pre-production front panel where control functions have changed, I can tell you after using it that I wouldn't trade this radio for *anything* out there (well, I haven't tried the Hilberling PT-8000, about EU 12K for the 100-watt version). The K3 is not vapor, it's real. The firmware does not pretend to work, it works. It is really, really well thought out. It has depth. Gee, VicI wonder how many of you beta folks will have to make statements to calm the waters? Based on my experiences, I thought that it was perfectly fine to assist Elecraft with a deposit, and I'm willing to wait to get what they decide the optimal production piece in the first run. I'm beginning to look at the comments like I do people that don't vote: Don't vote, Don't complain. And you know, I don't think I've seen any of the complainers who did order a K3 offer their place in line to any of the folks patiently wating. Some folks appear to be more interesting in complaining than most anything else. So who cares if it's a few weeks late? Or months, for that matter? Perhaps if one has their panties all wadded-up, the discomfort outweighs common sense. 73 - k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Revised Shipping date for K3
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 02:48:55PM -0400, Thom LaCosta wrote: Gee, VicI wonder how many of you beta folks will have to make statements to calm the waters? Okay - last night, I worked G4AMT with my K3. Here is a very interesting shot - of G4AMT coming back to KC7V. I snapped the photo a bit too soon to get his full call in the display: http://www.kkn.net/~tree/160/G4AMT.jpg Note the frequency. You might wonder about the display on the left showing my passband (it's got wings on it). Just yet another feature that hasn't been talked about yet that will blow the socks off the competition. Vapor - not. Tree N6TR/7 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Revised Shipping date for K3
I'm in group #3 with early December ish delivery prediction when I ordered it and paid 50%. If it slips a few weeks or months it isn't a big concern. I'd rather have it right when it gets here. As along as it appears before the sunspots, I'll be happy - and the sunspots don't seem to be in any hurry ;) 73 ... Craig AC0DS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Revised Shipping date for K3
Have the complainers bought *any* new high-tech stuff, hardware or software, lately? Have they ever ... Have they ever ... Have they ever ... Do the Japanese .. So who cares if it's a few weeks late? Or months, for that matter? One thing I HAVE done is collected credit card payments in advance for a product that didn't ship on its ship date. It's my understanding that when you go beyond 30 days late you need to send a written notice to those who paid by credit card with an updated ship date and the offer to cancel with a full refund. You have to repeat that 30 days after the new date passes. I may be mistaken; it may be that you only have to notify those who ordered by mail. I can't remember if the rule comes from the credit card companies or the US Mail. I know it is challenging to bring out a new product, and especially to do it under the scrutiny of your customers. I'm just once again pointing out that while Elecraft is a great company they're not perfect. I think people are well within their rights to complain about the delays. I'm not complaining; just defending the rights of others to do so. Craig NZ0R ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Revised Shipping date for K3
--- Tree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might wonder about the display on the left showing my passband (it's got wings on it). Just yet another feature that hasn't been talked about yet that will blow the socks off the competition. So let's talk about this feature. It looks like shingles on a roof. What's it all about? -David W4SMT ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Revised Shipping date for K3/CW decode
I expect many non-CW guys (and gals) will get on CW with this in-display decode feature. Cool and well done Elecraft! Jay - KT5E Don Rasmussen wrote: Vic GLOATED shamelessly: --- Okay - last night, I worked G4AMT with my K3. Here is a very interesting shot - of G4AMT coming back to KC7V. I snapped the photo a bit too soon to get his full call in the display: http://www.kkn.net/~tree/160/G4AMT.jpg Note the frequency. You might wonder about the display on the left showing my passband (it's got wings on it). Just yet another feature that hasn't been talked about yet that will blow the socks off the competition. Vapor - not. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Revised Shipping date for K3
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 02:42:02PM -0700, David Fleming wrote: --- Tree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might wonder about the display on the left showing my passband (it's got wings on it). Just yet another feature that hasn't been talked about yet that will blow the socks off the competition. So let's talk about this feature. It looks like shingles on a roof. What's it all about? It might be covered in the new manual - but this is a special filter that I have found very well suited to hearing weak signals in noise. One name I have heard it called is context filtering. On CW, it essentially is two filters running at the same time. The DSP filter is tuned to something like 150 hertz bandwidth - but the skirts stop down 10-20 db down - and the response flattens out - until you get out to something closer to 400 hz and then the response dives down. So - you can hear signals outside of your narrow passband - but they are attenuated with respect to anything in the center of your passband. That - with some of the audio special effects (using stereo) - really make this receiver a joy to use on a noisy band like 160 meters. Tree N6TR [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Revised Shipping date for K3
...Just yet another feature that hasn't been talked about yet that will blow the socks off the competition. ... What's it all about? It's all about context and focus :-) Or, put another way, (monospace font ON) /\ | | __| |__ /\ becomes __ __ __/_/ /\ \_\_ / \ There, that saved me almost 1,000 words! 73, Lyle KK7P ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Revised Shipping date for K3
Wow - you know how you sometimes get all fidgety and itchy when you're close to the end of a good book? Well On 14/9/07 23:05, Lyle Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: ...Just yet another feature that hasn't been talked about yet that will blow the socks off the competition. ... What's it all about? It's all about context and focus :-) Or, put another way, (monospace font ON) /\ | | __| |__ /\ becomes __ __ __/_/ /\ \_\_ / \ There, that saved me almost 1,000 words! 73, Lyle KK7P -- Everything secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity. -Lord Acton, historian (1834-1902) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Revised Shipping date for K3
In a message dated 9/14/07 6:41:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you know how you sometimes get all fidgety and itchy when you're close to the end of a good book? Or waiting for someone to finish the last Harry Potter book so you can start it (went through that the weekend it came out). SPOILER: At the end of Deathly Hallows, Harry discovers that Rosebud is a sled. Then he wakes up, middle aged, next to Suzanne Pleshette. 73 de Jim, N2EY ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
