[PSES] Class A Group 2 Registration??
Our company makes an instrument that has uses an RF Isolator Power Amp and induction coil to heat up a small metal sample for analysis purposes (Lab Equipment). By definition within the IEC/EN 55011 standard, this equipment would be classified as Class A Group 2. (hang in there; it’ll get more interesting) However, because we shield the amp and coil so well, we do not need to take advantage of the relaxed Emissions Limits for Group 2 or use the ISM Frequencies. The Instrument passes the Class A Group 1 requirements, so that is how we record it and claim compliance to within our documentation. (almost there) Every now and then, when we ship one of these instruments to another country (most currently, Russia), they recognized the instrument as a Group 2 product by nature of what it is. They Demand that we provide them with information regarding the RF Frequencies and Radiated Power Levels the instruments generates. This appears to be some kind of Registration so the authorities know where the Group 2 product is located and what frequency it may emit high levels at. (Finally, my question) Is there a common way of providing the required information for Class A Group 2 products? Can anyone supply me with an example report or form that we can complete and have translated into different languages? (in this case, it has to be in Russian). Is there a better way of handling these requests regarding Group 2 products? Thanks to all. The Other Brian LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
[PSES] EU Group
Dear Members, Is EU Group an international recognized term? I reviewed a CB report with EU Group listed. I requested to have each individual country listed. The reply was additional USD400 charge. I cannot be convinced for the charge. Thank you very much. Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] EU Group
I presume that they are referring to the EU Group Differences/Deviations. That term is a standard term used on the CB report, but I would agree if you were only looking for one country to be included, there should have been assessment for only those deviations. Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com tsm...@tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com/ http://tjstechnical.com Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Grace Lin Sent: March-08-13 10:27 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: EU Group Dear Members, Is EU Group an international recognized term? I reviewed a CB report with EU Group listed. I requested to have each individual country listed. The reply was additional USD400 charge. I cannot be convinced for the charge. Thank you very much. Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] EU Group
In message cajq2vagqy+a3r7qmjczs0qoe6+ywevna6hx6hucqipp2mt7...@mail.gmail.com, dated Fri, 8 Mar 2013, Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com writes: Is EU Group an international recognized term? No. I reviewed a CB report with EU Group listed. Ask for a definition of 'EU group' to be added to the report. I requested to have each individual country listed. The reply was additional USD400 charge. I cannot be convinced for the charge. It sounds totally unsupportable. Can anybody ask IECEE (which runs the CB Scheme) about it? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk SHOCK HORROR! Dinosaur-like DNA found in chicken and turkey meals John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] EU Group
My 'typical' CBTR, for the most recent ITE TRF, uses the term EU Group Differences and EU Special National Conditions and/or National Differences, followed by country codes, and code explanations. I once had a report rejected because it used 'KL' for Klingon national difference. One would think that CABs would be more open to additional test conditions... Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 10:12 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: EU Group In message cajq2vagqy+a3r7qmjczs0qoe6+ywevna6hx6hucqipp2mt7...@mail.gmail.com, dated Fri, 8 Mar 2013, Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com writes: Is EU Group an international recognized term? No. I reviewed a CB report with EU Group listed. Ask for a definition of 'EU group' to be added to the report. I requested to have each individual country listed. The reply was additional USD400 charge. I cannot be convinced for the charge. It sounds totally unsupportable. Can anybody ask IECEE (which runs the CB Scheme) about it? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk SHOCK HORROR! Dinosaur-like DNA found in chicken and turkey meals John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] EU Group
Maybe Klingon should have been KR for Kronos, their home planet. Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: tsm...@tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian Oconnell Sent: March-08-13 12:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: EU Group My 'typical' CBTR, for the most recent ITE TRF, uses the term EU Group Differences and EU Special National Conditions and/or National Differences, followed by country codes, and code explanations. I once had a report rejected because it used 'KL' for Klingon national difference. One would think that CABs would be more open to additional test conditions... Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 10:12 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: EU Group In message cajq2vagqy+a3r7qmjczs0qoe6+ywevna6hx6hucqipp2mt7...@mail.gmail.com, dated Fri, 8 Mar 2013, Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com writes: Is EU Group an international recognized term? No. I reviewed a CB report with EU Group listed. Ask for a definition of 'EU group' to be added to the report. I requested to have each individual country listed. The reply was additional USD400 charge. I cannot be convinced for the charge. It sounds totally unsupportable. Can anybody ask IECEE (which runs the CB Scheme) about it? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk SHOCK HORROR! Dinosaur-like DNA found in chicken and turkey meals John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] EU Group
In message 15f47804185443ec8e100671c7c1a...@tamuracorp.com, dated Fri, 8 Mar 2013, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes: I once had a report rejected because it used 'KL' for Klingon national difference. Of course: the country code for Klingon is not KL but . -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk SHOCK HORROR! Dinosaur-like DNA found in chicken and turkey meals John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] EU Group
In message 01c601ce1c34$1dd7eb90$5987c2b0$@tjstechnical.com, dated Fri, 8 Mar 2013, Tom Smith tsm...@tjstechnical.com writes: Maybe Klingon should have been KR for Kronos, their home planet. Already allocated to South Korea. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk SHOCK HORROR! Dinosaur-like DNA found in chicken and turkey meals John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] EU Group
Oh wait, wasn't that the moon that blew up - I think they still had to move Dennis Ward Senior Certification Engineer PCTEST This communication and its attachments contain information from PCTEST Engineering Laboratory, Inc., and is intended for the exclusive use of the recipient (s) named above. It may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. Any unauthorized use that may compromise that confidentiality via distribution or disclosure is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately if you receive this communication in error, and delete it from your computer system. Usage of PCTEST email addresses for non-business related activities is strictly prohibited. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Dward [mailto:dw...@pctestlab.com] Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 1:02 PM To: 'Tom Smith'; 'EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG' Subject: RE: [PSES] EU Group Kronos blew up, they had to move Dennis Ward Senior Certification Engineer PCTEST This communication and its attachments contain information from PCTEST Engineering Laboratory, Inc., and is intended for the exclusive use of the recipient (s) named above. It may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. Any unauthorized use that may compromise that confidentiality via distribution or disclosure is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately if you receive this communication in error, and delete it from your computer system. Usage of PCTEST email addresses for non-business related activities is strictly prohibited. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Tom Smith [mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com] Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 11:36 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Group Maybe Klingon should have been KR for Kronos, their home planet. Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: tsm...@tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian Oconnell Sent: March-08-13 12:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: EU Group My 'typical' CBTR, for the most recent ITE TRF, uses the term EU Group Differences and EU Special National Conditions and/or National Differences, followed by country codes, and code explanations. I once had a report rejected because it used 'KL' for Klingon national difference. One would think that CABs would be more open to additional test conditions... Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 10:12 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: EU Group In message cajq2vagqy+a3r7qmjczs0qoe6+ywevna6hx6hucqipp2mt7...@mail.gmail.com, dated Fri, 8 Mar 2013, Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com writes: Is EU Group an international recognized term? No. I reviewed a CB report with EU Group listed. Ask for a definition of 'EU group' to be added to the report. I requested to have each individual country listed. The reply was additional USD400 charge. I cannot be convinced for the charge. It sounds totally unsupportable. Can anybody ask IECEE (which runs the CB Scheme) about it? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk SHOCK HORROR! Dinosaur-like DNA found in chicken and turkey meals John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used
Re: [PSES] EU Group
Kronos blew up, they had to move Dennis Ward Senior Certification Engineer PCTEST This communication and its attachments contain information from PCTEST Engineering Laboratory, Inc., and is intended for the exclusive use of the recipient (s) named above. It may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. Any unauthorized use that may compromise that confidentiality via distribution or disclosure is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately if you receive this communication in error, and delete it from your computer system. Usage of PCTEST email addresses for non-business related activities is strictly prohibited. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Tom Smith [mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com] Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 11:36 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Group Maybe Klingon should have been KR for Kronos, their home planet. Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: tsm...@tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian Oconnell Sent: March-08-13 12:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: EU Group My 'typical' CBTR, for the most recent ITE TRF, uses the term EU Group Differences and EU Special National Conditions and/or National Differences, followed by country codes, and code explanations. I once had a report rejected because it used 'KL' for Klingon national difference. One would think that CABs would be more open to additional test conditions... Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 10:12 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: EU Group In message cajq2vagqy+a3r7qmjczs0qoe6+ywevna6hx6hucqipp2mt7...@mail.gmail.com, dated Fri, 8 Mar 2013, Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com writes: Is EU Group an international recognized term? No. I reviewed a CB report with EU Group listed. Ask for a definition of 'EU group' to be added to the report. I requested to have each individual country listed. The reply was additional USD400 charge. I cannot be convinced for the charge. It sounds totally unsupportable. Can anybody ask IECEE (which runs the CB Scheme) about it? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk SHOCK HORROR! Dinosaur-like DNA found in chicken and turkey meals John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org
Re: [PSES] EU Group
Yes it was the moon that blew up but I think you are correct that they had to move anyway because the impact was going to make the world un-inhabitable in something like 40 years. Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: tsm...@tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Dward Sent: March-08-13 2:04 PM To: 'Tom Smith'; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] EU Group Oh wait, wasn't that the moon that blew up - I think they still had to move Dennis Ward Senior Certification Engineer PCTEST This communication and its attachments contain information from PCTEST Engineering Laboratory, Inc., and is intended for the exclusive use of the recipient (s) named above. It may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. Any unauthorized use that may compromise that confidentiality via distribution or disclosure is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately if you receive this communication in error, and delete it from your computer system. Usage of PCTEST email addresses for non-business related activities is strictly prohibited. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Dward [mailto:dw...@pctestlab.com] Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 1:02 PM To: 'Tom Smith'; 'EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG' Subject: RE: [PSES] EU Group Kronos blew up, they had to move Dennis Ward Senior Certification Engineer PCTEST This communication and its attachments contain information from PCTEST Engineering Laboratory, Inc., and is intended for the exclusive use of the recipient (s) named above. It may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. Any unauthorized use that may compromise that confidentiality via distribution or disclosure is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately if you receive this communication in error, and delete it from your computer system. Usage of PCTEST email addresses for non-business related activities is strictly prohibited. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Tom Smith [mailto:tsm...@tjstechnical.com] Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 11:36 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Group Maybe Klingon should have been KR for Kronos, their home planet. Regards, Tom Smith, P.Eng Principal Engineer TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: tsm...@tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian Oconnell Sent: March-08-13 12:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: EU Group My 'typical' CBTR, for the most recent ITE TRF, uses the term EU Group Differences and EU Special National Conditions and/or National Differences, followed by country codes, and code explanations. I once had a report rejected because it used 'KL' for Klingon national difference. One would think that CABs would be more open to additional test conditions... Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 10:12 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: EU Group In message cajq2vagqy+a3r7qmjczs0qoe6+ywevna6hx6hucqipp2mt7...@mail.gmail.com, dated Fri, 8 Mar 2013, Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com writes: Is EU Group an international recognized term? No. I reviewed a CB report with EU Group listed. Ask for a definition of 'EU group' to be added to the report. I requested to have each individual country listed. The reply was additional USD400 charge. I cannot be convinced for the charge. It sounds totally unsupportable. Can anybody ask IECEE (which runs the CB Scheme) about it? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk SHOCK HORROR! Dinosaur-like DNA found in chicken and turkey meals John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw
Re: [PSES] user's group ??
There is a TILE! user group that meets every year at the IEEE EMC Symposium. There is also a TILE! users web portal https://support.ets-lindgren.com/TILE/pages/home.aspx Glen Watkins Global Marcom Director ETS-Lindgren 1301 Arrow Point Drive Cedar Park, Texas 78613 p: 1+512.531.6414 f: 1+512.531.6514 glen.watk...@ets-lindgren.commailto:glen.watk...@ets-lindgren.com www.ets-lindgren.comhttp://www.ets-lindgren.com/ “Enabling Your Success” CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information in this communication may be confidential, and is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. You are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its contents, to any other party, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender immediately and delete the original message and any copy of it from your computer system. If you have any questions concerning this message, please contact the sender. From: Derek Walton [mailto:lfresea...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 3:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] user's group ?? Yes, there is a linked in Teseq Compliance 5 users group -Original Message- From: Conway, Patrick pcon...@ball.commailto:pcon...@ball.com To: EMC-PSTC EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:12 pm Subject: user's group ?? We are considering new automation tools for some of our MIL-STD-461 and DO-160 tests. I am hoping that there are user’s groups or forums for some of the more popular software packages. Does anyone know of, or belong to, forums for TILE!, EMC Automation (TDK), RadiMotion (DARE!!), EMITest (CKC), or any other? Thanks in advance. // Patrick Conway pcon...@ball.commailto:pcon...@ball.com 303.533.7165 Wetmoor WMR1 Westminster, CO 80021 This message and any enclosures are intended only for the addressee. Please notify the sender by email if you are not the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents or enclosures to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful. Ball reserves the right to monitor and review all messages and enclosures sent to or from this email address. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to LT;emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.orgGT; All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas LT;emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.netGT; Mike Cantwell LT;mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.orgGT; For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher LT;j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.orgGT; David Heald LT;dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.comGT; - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org
Re: [PSES] user's group ??
Sorry, I forgot to mention that TILE! also has a LinkedIn site. Go to LinkedIn and search “TILE!”. Glen Watkins Global Marcom Director ETS-Lindgren 1301 Arrow Point Drive Cedar Park, Texas 78613 p: 1+512.531.6414 f: 1+512.531.6514 glen.watk...@ets-lindgren.commailto:glen.watk...@ets-lindgren.com www.ets-lindgren.comhttp://www.ets-lindgren.com/ “Enabling Your Success” CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information in this communication may be confidential, and is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. You are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its contents, to any other party, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender immediately and delete the original message and any copy of it from your computer system. If you have any questions concerning this message, please contact the sender. From: Glen Watkins Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 11:00 AM To: 'Derek Walton'; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] user's group ?? There is a TILE! user group that meets every year at the IEEE EMC Symposium. There is also a TILE! users web portal https://support.ets-lindgren.com/TILE/pages/home.aspx Glen Watkins Global Marcom Director ETS-Lindgren 1301 Arrow Point Drive Cedar Park, Texas 78613 p: 1+512.531.6414 f: 1+512.531.6514 glen.watk...@ets-lindgren.commailto:glen.watk...@ets-lindgren.com www.ets-lindgren.comhttp://www.ets-lindgren.com/ “Enabling Your Success” CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information in this communication may be confidential, and is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. You are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its contents, to any other party, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender immediately and delete the original message and any copy of it from your computer system. If you have any questions concerning this message, please contact the sender. From: Derek Walton [mailto:lfresea...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 3:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] user's group ?? Yes, there is a linked in Teseq Compliance 5 users group -Original Message- From: Conway, Patrick pcon...@ball.commailto:pcon...@ball.com To: EMC-PSTC EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:12 pm Subject: user's group ?? We are considering new automation tools for some of our MIL-STD-461 and DO-160 tests. I am hoping that there are user’s groups or forums for some of the more popular software packages. Does anyone know of, or belong to, forums for TILE!, EMC Automation (TDK), RadiMotion (DARE!!), EMITest (CKC), or any other? Thanks in advance. // Patrick Conway pcon...@ball.commailto:pcon...@ball.com 303.533.7165 Wetmoor WMR1 Westminster, CO 80021 This message and any enclosures are intended only for the addressee. Please notify the sender by email if you are not the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents or enclosures to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful. Ball reserves the right to monitor and review all messages and enclosures sent to or from this email address. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to LT;emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.orgGT; All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas LT;emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.netGT; Mike Cantwell LT;mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.orgGT; For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher LT;j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.orgGT; David Heald LT;dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.comGT; - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used
[PSES] user's group ??
We are considering new automation tools for some of our MIL-STD-461 and DO-160 tests. I am hoping that there are user's groups or forums for some of the more popular software packages. Does anyone know of, or belong to, forums for TILE!, EMC Automation (TDK), RadiMotion (DARE!!), EMITest (CKC), or any other? Thanks in advance. // Patrick Conway pcon...@ball.com 303.533.7165 Wetmoor WMR1 Westminster, CO 80021 This message and any enclosures are intended only for the addressee. Please notify the sender by email if you are not the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents or enclosures to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful. Ball reserves the right to monitor and review all messages and enclosures sent to or from this email address. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] user's group ??
Yes, there is a linked in Teseq Compliance 5 users group -Original Message- From: Conway, Patrick pcon...@ball.com To: EMC-PSTC EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:12 pm Subject: user's group ?? We are considering new automation tools for some of our MIL-STD-461 and DO-160 tests. I am hoping that there are user’s groups or forums for some of the more popular software packages. Does anyone know of, or belong to, forums for TILE!, EMC Automation (TDK), RadiMotion (DARE!!), EMITest (CKC), or any other? Thanks in advance. // Patrick Conway pcon...@ball.com 303.533.7165 Wetmoor WMR1 Westminster, CO 80021 This message and any enclosures are intended only for the addressee. Please notify the sender by email if you are not the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents or enclosures to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful. Ball reserves the right to monitor and review all messages and enclosures sent to or from this email address. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to LT;emc-p...@ieee.orgGT; All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas LT;emcp...@radiusnorth.netGT; Mike Cantwell LT;mcantw...@ieee.orgGT; For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher LT;j.bac...@ieee.orgGT; David Heald LT;dhe...@gmail.comGT; - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: Standard group withdraws support
Scuttlebutt is it 's handbags at 5 paces Derek -Original Message- From: McInturff, Gary gary.mcintu...@esterline.com To: Sarah Long sl...@itempubs.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Fri, Feb 4, 2011 10:46 am Subject: RE: Standard group withdraws support Happens every time the control of the senate, congress, or Whitehouse change From: Sarah Long [mailto:sl...@itempubs.com mailto:sl...@itempubs.com? ] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 7:36 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Standard group withdraws support How common is it for a co-sponsor to withdraw its support during the standard development process? I'm wondering how SDCom's withdrawal will affect the development of the standard, if at all. IEEE EMC Society Withdraws From Power Line Communications Committee http://www.interferencetechnology.com/s andards-update/article/ieee-emc-society withdraws-from-power-line-communications-committee.html Sarah Long Content Manager ITEM Publications / Interference Technology Phone: 484.688.0300 x24 Fax: 484.688.0303 sl...@interferencetechnology.com www.interferencetechnology.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
RE: Standard group withdraws support
Happens every time the control of the senate, congress, or Whitehouse change From: Sarah Long [mailto:sl...@itempubs.com] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 7:36 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Standard group withdraws support How common is it for a co-sponsor to withdraw its support during the standard development process? I'm wondering how SDCom's withdrawal will affect the development of the standard, if at all. IEEE EMC Society Withdraws From Power Line Communications Committee http://www.interferencetechnology.com/s andards-update/article/ieee-emc-society withdraws-from-power-line-communications-committee.html Sarah Long Content Manager ITEM Publications / Interference Technology Phone: 484.688.0300 x24 Fax: 484.688.0303 sl...@interferencetechnology.com www.interferencetechnology.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
RE: Standard group withdraws support
I will make the assumption that this is not a troll. It is worth reading the original article at www.arrl.org/news/view/ieee-emc-society-standards-development-committee-wi thdraws-as-cosponsor-of-ieee-bpl-emc-standard I am not a gray-beard in the EMC field (am not even an EMC specialist), but am not aware of a previous occurrence of a complete withdrawal of the principal engineering organization from a standards committee. The appointed officials that head technical agencies of the US government have a long history of being torn between the physics, the political, and the industrial. And the latter two have often won, in the short term, over the former. The economy will continue to drive a BPL implementation in the U.S., and the immutable physics will, for now, will be ignored. Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Sarah Long Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 7:36 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Standard group withdraws support How common is it for a co-sponsor to withdraw its support during the standard development process? I'm wondering how SDCom's withdrawal will affect the development of the standard, if at all. IEEE EMC Society Withdraws From Power Line Communications Committee http://www.interferencetechnology.com/standards-update/article/ieee-emc-so ciety-withdraws-from-power-line-communications-committee.html Sarah Long Content Manager ITEM Publications / Interference Technology Phone: 484.688.0300 x24 Fax: 484.688.0303 sl...@interferencetechnology.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Standard group withdraws support
How common is it for a co-sponsor to withdraw its support during the standard development process? I'm wondering how SDCom's withdrawal will affect the development of the standard, if at all. IEEE EMC Society Withdraws From Power Line Communications Committee http://www.interferencetechnology.com/s andards-update/article/ieee-emc-society withdraws-from-power-line-communications-committee.html Sarah Long Content Manager ITEM Publications / Interference Technology Phone: 484.688.0300 x24 Fax: 484.688.0303 sl...@interferencetechnology.com www.interferencetechnology.com http://www.interferencetechnology.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
EC Machinery Working Group Announces Extension of EN 954-1 transition period
Machine builders have been watching the deliberations on the implementation of EN ISO 13849, Safety of Machinery – Reliability of Safety Related Parts of Control Systems, for the last few months since an announcement by the EC that the mandatory implementation date had been extended in September, followed by a retraction of that announcement in October. This past Monday and Tuesday the EC Machinery Working Group met to discuss the situation. Find out more at Machinery Safety 101! http://machinerysafety101.com/2009/12/0 /en-954-1-iso-13849-12008-mandatory-implementation-date-change/ -- Doug Nix, A.Sc.T. IEEE PSES Toronto Chapter Toronto Section, Ontario, Canada d...@ieee.org mobile (519) 729-5704 fax (519) 653-1318 Find me LinkedIn at http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougnix Fostering Technological Innovation and Excellence for the Benefit of Humanity. Celebrating 125 Years of Engineering the Future. http://www.ieee125.org - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
RE: EMC group Mil-Std 1399 300B question
At the risk of sounding dumb, since I have never done that test, it still looks like a simple setup. Looks like all you need is an isolation transformer (single or three-phase as required) and a medium voltage, modest current DC power supply. In effect, the test is just driving the sine wave with a DC offset from the ground plane reference. It’s a little disconcerting that the standard alternates between calling AGD and “active ground detector” and an “automatic ground detector.” Would anyone care to describe what an AGD is and does in real life? Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com blocked::mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com WB6WSN NARTE Certified EMC Engineer Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Applications San Diego, CA USA 858-505-2780 Military Avionics EMC Is Our Specialty From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Gray, David Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:20 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: EMC group Mil-Std 1399 300B question Hi, I am looking for information on performing the active ground detector test (Mil-Std 1399 300B paragraph 5.3.10.2). What test equipment have you used? How is the DC voltage applied? Thanks David Gray San Diego - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
EMC group Mil-Std 1399 300B question
Hi, I am looking for information on performing the active ground detector test (Mil-Std 1399 300B paragraph 5.3.10.2). What test equipment have you used? How is the DC voltage applied? Thanks David Gray San Diego - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
Positions Available - Bureau Veritas Electrical and Electronic Product Service Group
Forwarded to the list by Scott Douglas, EMC-PSTC Admin Bureau Veritas Electrical and Electronic Product Service Group is recruiting for a few positions. If you are or know of someone who is interested, please click on the URL link and provide contact information so we can follow up. Technical Writer for product line and Conformity Magazine based in Boston, MA but open to a work from home candidate https://hostedjobs.openhire.com/epostings/jobs/submit.cfm?fuseaction=dspjobjobid=187605company_id=15890version=1source=ONLINEJobOwner=956394startflag=1CFID=28236866CFTOKEN=11006b2-79350d52-e359-47f3-a341-9d94bf46e022 Conformity Assessment Specialist ideally based in Buffalo NY or Boston MA but open to a work from home candidate https://hostedjobs.openhire.com/epostings/jobs/submit.cfm?fuseaction=dspjobjobid=186191company_id=15890version=1source=ONLINEjobOwner=956394aid=1 Business Development based in San Francisco area https://hostedjobs.openhire.com/epostings/jobs/submit.cfm?fuseaction=dspjobjobid=185246company_id=15890version=1source=ONLINEjobOwner=956393aid=1 If you have any questions, give me a call or send me a note. electricalm...@bureauveritas.com or scott.gri...@us.bureauveritas.com Scott Griggs +1 770 804 8394 (Home Office) +1 678 988 5551 (Mobile) +1 800 277 3300 or +1 716 505 3300 ext 3373 (Buffalo Office) +1 716 706 1323 fax 912 Telfair Close Atlanta, GA 30350-4901 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
TILE User Group
Fellow TILE Users, A User Group has been set up at: http://www.freelists.org/list/tileusergroup You are welcome to subscribe and participate at the community. Note: This User Group is intended to provide a common platform to discuss all aspects of TILE. This forum is not sponsored by Quantum Change, but it is intended to help that this software will continue to live. The list is an open discussion forum requiring subscription. Postings do not require specific approval. The moderators (Doug Powell and myself), however, will watch over it. Best regards, Michael Nagel Michael Nagel Senior Staff EMC Engineer Motorola GmbH ECC Embedded Communications Computing Lilienthalstrasse 15 85579 Neubiberg/Muenchen - Germany Ph.: +49-89-9608-0 Fax: +49-89-9608-2376 e-mail: michael.na...@motorola.com info: http://www.motorola.com/computers Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Fred Irwin Geschäftsführung: Roland Duerr, Dr. Christoph Hollemann, Heinrich Korte, Ralf Gerbershagen (Vorsitzender) AG Wiesbaden, HRB 16024 VAT/USt.-ID: DE 113866163 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
RE: Tile! Users Group
Good People, Please search the PSTC archive, as there was a previous discussion on the good and bad points of various EMC software applications. luck, Brian From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Luke Turnbull Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:42 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; Powell, Doug Subject: Re: Tile! Users Group Can anyone briefly describe Tile, what it does and how good it is? Thanks, Luke Powell, Doug doug.pow...@aei.com 15 August 2007 18:57 Hi all, Any users of Quantum Change Tile! EMC software out there? At one time there was a users group on SmartGroups and then they shut down their servers. I was hoping to find a discussion group for Tile! users to collaborate and exchange ideas. -Doug - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
Re: Tile! Users Group
Hi Luke, The following link provides product information: http://www.quantumchange.com/. TILE is a software package focuing on EMC automation. The vendor helps the purchaser to setup and integrate the system. It makes compliance engineers' job much easier. Due to its flexibility to accommodate different manufacturers' equipment, many labs use it. Grace On 8/16/07, Luke Turnbull luke.turnb...@trw.com wrote: Can anyone briefly describe Tile, what it does and how good it is? Thanks, Luke Powell, Doug doug.pow...@aei.com 15 August 2007 18:57 Hi all, Any users of Quantum Change Tile! EMC software out there? At one time there was a users group on SmartGroups and then they shut down their servers. I was hoping to find a discussion group for Tile! users to collaborate and exchange ideas. -Doug This message, including any attachments, may contain information that is confidential and proprietary information of Advanced Energy Industries, Inc. The dissemination, distribution, use or copying of this message or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited without the express written consent of Advanced Energy Industries, Inc. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: mailto:emc-p...@daveheald.com emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
Re: Tile! Users Group
Can anyone briefly describe Tile, what it does and how good it is? Thanks, Luke Powell, Doug doug.pow...@aei.com 15 August 2007 18:57 Hi all, Any users of Quantum Change Tile! EMC software out there? At one time there was a users group on SmartGroups and then they shut down their servers. I was hoping to find a discussion group for Tile! users to collaborate and exchange ideas. -Doug This message, including any attachments, may contain information that is confidential and proprietary information of Advanced Energy Industries, Inc. The dissemination, distribution, use or copying of this message or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited without the express written consent of Advanced Energy Industries, Inc. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Tile! Users Group
Hi all, Any users of Quantum Change Tile! EMC software out there? At one time there was a users group on SmartGroups and then they shut down their servers. I was hoping to find a discussion group for Tile! users to collaborate and exchange ideas. -Doug This message, including any attachments, may contain information that is confidential and proprietary information of Advanced Energy Industries, Inc. The dissemination, distribution, use or copying of this message or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited without the express written consent of Advanced Energy Industries, Inc. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
Re: GTEM users group
Try this. http://www.gtemuser.org.uk/ Alan E Hutley The EMC Journal www.compliance-club.com http://www.gtemuser.org.uk/ - Original Message - From: Asim mailto:asim_a_tirm...@yahoo.com Tirmizi To: emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:37 PM Subject: GTEM users group Hi all Does anyone know of a GTEM users group? Is it still in existance? I can't seem to find it. Asim _ Be a better Globetrotter. Get http:// s.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48254/*http://answer .yahoo.com/dir/_ylc=X3oDMTI5MGx2aThyBF9 AzIxMTU1MDAzNTIEX3MDMzk2NTQ1MTAzBHNlYwN QUJwaWxsYXJfTklfMzYwBHNsawNQcm9kdWN0X3F ZXN0aW9uX3BhZ2U-?link=listsid=396545469 better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. - -- - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
GTEM users group
Hi all Does anyone know of a GTEM users group? Is it still in existance? I can't seem to find it. Asim _ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48254/*http //answers.yahoo.com/dir/_ylc=X3oDMTI5MG 2aThyBF9TAzIxMTU1MDAzNTIEX3MDMzk2NTQ1MT zBHNlYwNCQUJwaWxsYXJfTklfMzYwBHNsawNQcm kdWN0X3F1ZXN0aW9uX3BhZ2U-?link=listsid=396545469 from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
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I don't want to add another definition but remind that the definitions below refer in my eyes to people who consider themselves as 'expert'. Being called an expert by other people should make somebody extra-cautious if advice is asked. The answer should be correct and it's much more responsible to admit the lack of deeper knowledge on the subject asked than telling anything just for the sake of giving an advice. I don't like being called an expert, it usually reminds me of the bunch of things I don't know and it can be just flattery. Otherwise I agree with Bob. And yes - I am not afraid to disagree with experts... Michael Michael Nagel Senior EMC Engineer Motorola GmbH ECC Embedded Communications Computing Lilienthalstrasse 15 85579 Neubiberg/Muenchen - Germany Ph: +49-89-9608-0 Fax: +49-89-9608-2376 e-mail: michael.na...@motorola.com info: http://www.motorola.com/computers From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Dward ATCB Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:15 PM To: 'Pettit, Ghery'; rehel...@mmm.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: experts group noun Or Ex - Not including; without Pert - Trim and stylish in appearance. 2. High-spirited. 3. Impudently bold. Consequently an expert is one who is without style has not spirit but in not proud about it:) Dennis Ward Evaluation Engineer American TCB Certification Resource for the Wireless Industry www.atcb.com 703-847-4700 fax 703-847-6888 direct - 703-880-4841 cell - 209-769-8316 NOTICE: This E-Mail message and any attachment may contain privileged or company proprietary information. If you received this message in error, please return to the sender. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Pettit, Ghery Sent: 07/11/2006 8:01 AM To: rehel...@mmm.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: experts group noun Definition of Expert Ex - a has been Spert (sp) - a drip under pressure I've been leery of the term for years. :-) Ghery Pettit Intel Corporation From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of rehel...@mmm.com Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:58 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Fw: experts group noun In my younger years I use to be in awe and have great admiration for experts. Now that I am older I have come to the conclusion that experts are a group of people that agree with the way you think. Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 = Jon Larkin j...@cranage.co.u k To Sent by: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org cc Subject 07/11/2006 03:49 experts group noun AM How about a contradiction of experts? Jon Larkin In message 26e661f1184c054581e96d3a0f8498b02f0...@desmdswms201.des.grplnk.net, dated Tue, 11 Jul 2006, Haynes, Tim (SELEX) (UK Capability Green) tim.hay...@selex-sas.com writes Isn't that a clutch of egg-heads? Could be. Or may be an 'addle'. But my question was about a collective noun for 'experts'. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org
RE: experts group noun
Or: Ex - a has been. Spert - A drip under pressure. You take it from there. Oscar Overton Product Safety Lexmark International, Inc. Dward ATCB dw...@atcb.com To: 'Pettit, Ghery' ghery.pet...@intel.com, rehel...@mmm.com, Sent by: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.orgcc: Subject: RE: experts group noun 07/11/2006 11:14 AM Or Ex - Not including; without Pert - Trim and stylish in appearance. 2. High-spirited. 3. Impudently bold. Consequently an expert is one who is without style has not spirit but in not proud about it:) Dennis Ward Evaluation Engineer American TCB Certification Resource for the Wireless Industry www.atcb.com 703-847-4700 fax 703-847-6888 direct - 703-880-4841 cell - 209-769-8316 NOTICE: This E-Mail message and any attachment may contain privileged or company proprietary information. If you received this message in error, please return to the sender. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Pettit, Ghery Sent: 07/11/2006 8:01 AM To: rehel...@mmm.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: experts group noun Definition of Expert Ex - a has been Spert (sp) - a drip under pressure I've been leery of the term for years. :-) Ghery Pettit Intel Corporation From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of rehel...@mmm.com Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:58 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Fw: experts group noun In my younger years I use to be in awe and have great admiration for experts. Now that I am older I have come to the conclusion that experts are a group of people that agree with the way you think. Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 = Jon Larkin j...@cranage.co.u k To Sent by: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org cc Subject 07/11/2006 03:49 experts group noun AM How about a contradiction of experts? Jon Larkin In message 26e661f1184c054581e96d3a0f8498b02f0...@desmdswms201.des.grplnk.net, dated Tue, 11 Jul 2006, Haynes, Tim (SELEX) (UK Capability Green) tim.hay...@selex-sas.com writes Isn't that a clutch of egg-heads? Could be. Or may be an 'addle'. But my question was about a collective noun for 'experts'. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions
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Or Ex - Not including; without Pert - Trim and stylish in appearance. 2. High-spirited. 3. Impudently bold. Consequently an expert is one who is without style has not spirit but in not proud about it:) Dennis Ward Evaluation Engineer American TCB Certification Resource for the Wireless Industry www.atcb.com 703-847-4700 fax 703-847-6888 direct - 703-880-4841 cell - 209-769-8316 NOTICE: This E-Mail message and any attachment may contain privileged or company proprietary information. If you received this message in error, please return to the sender. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Pettit, Ghery Sent: 07/11/2006 8:01 AM To: rehel...@mmm.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: experts group noun Definition of Expert Ex - a has been Spert (sp) - a drip under pressure I've been leery of the term for years. :-) Ghery Pettit Intel Corporation From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of rehel...@mmm.com Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:58 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Fw: experts group noun In my younger years I use to be in awe and have great admiration for experts. Now that I am older I have come to the conclusion that experts are a group of people that agree with the way you think. Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 = Jon Larkin j...@cranage.co.u k To Sent by: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org cc Subject 07/11/2006 03:49 experts group noun AM How about a contradiction of experts? Jon Larkin In message 26e661f1184c054581e96d3a0f8498b02f0...@desmdswms201.des.grplnk.net, dated Tue, 11 Jul 2006, Haynes, Tim (SELEX) (UK Capability Green) tim.hay...@selex-sas.com writes Isn't that a clutch of egg-heads? Could be. Or may be an 'addle'. But my question was about a collective noun for 'experts'. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings
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Definition of Expert Ex - a has been Spert (sp) - a drip under pressure I've been leery of the term for years. :-) Ghery Pettit Intel Corporation From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of rehel...@mmm.com Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:58 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Fw: experts group noun In my younger years I use to be in awe and have great admiration for experts. Now that I am older I have come to the conclusion that experts are a group of people that agree with the way you think. Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 = Jon Larkin j...@cranage.co.u k To Sent by: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org cc Subject 07/11/2006 03:49 experts group noun AM How about a contradiction of experts? Jon Larkin In message 26e661f1184c054581e96d3a0f8498b02f0...@desmdswms201.des.grplnk.net, dated Tue, 11 Jul 2006, Haynes, Tim (SELEX) (UK Capability Green) tim.hay...@selex-sas.com writes Isn't that a clutch of egg-heads? Could be. Or may be an 'addle'. But my question was about a collective noun for 'experts'. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
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My definition too! Does that make a collection of experts just a dried-up puddle? :) Neil Barker e2v technologies (uk) ltd From: Pettit, Ghery [mailto:ghery.pet...@intel.com] Sent: 11 July 2006 16:01 To: rehel...@mmm.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: experts group noun Definition of Expert Ex - a has been Spert (sp) - a drip under pressure I've been leery of the term for years. :-) Ghery Pettit Intel Corporation From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of rehel...@mmm.com Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:58 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Fw: experts group noun In my younger years I use to be in awe and have great admiration for experts. Now that I am older I have come to the conclusion that experts are a group of people that agree with the way you think. Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 = Jon Larkin j...@cranage.co.u k To Sent by: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org cc Subject 07/11/2006 03:49 experts group noun AM How about a contradiction of experts? Jon Larkin In message 26e661f1184c054581e96d3a0f8498b02f0...@desmdswms201.des.grplnk.net, dated Tue, 11 Jul 2006, Haynes, Tim (SELEX) (UK Capability Green) tim.hay...@selex-sas.com writes Isn't that a clutch of egg-heads? Could be. Or may be an 'addle'. But my question was about a collective noun for 'experts'. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
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a babble a cacophony a clamor or more alliteratively, an eruption of experts Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE ptar...@ieee.org CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail message and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail message, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original and any copies of this email and any prints thereof. ABSENT AN EXPRESS STATEMENT TO THE CONTRARY HEREINABOVE, THIS E-MAIL IS NOT INTENDED AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR A WRITING. Notwithstanding the Uniform Electronic Transactions Act or the applicability of any other law of similar substance and effect, absent an express statement to the contrary hereinabove, this e-mail message its contents, and any attachments hereto are not intended to represent an offer or acceptance to enter into a contract and are not otherwise intended to bind the sender, Sanmina-SCI Corporation (or any of its subsidiaries), or any other person or entity. _ Scanned by Sanmina-SCI eShield ___ _ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
Fw: experts group noun
In my younger years I use to be in awe and have great admiration for experts. Now that I am older I have come to the conclusion that experts are a group of people that agree with the way you think. Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 = Jon Larkin j...@cranage.co.u k To Sent by: emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org cc Subject 07/11/2006 03:49 experts group noun AM How about a contradiction of experts? Jon Larkin In message 26e661f1184c054581e96d3a0f8498b02f0...@desmdswms201.des.grplnk.net, dated Tue, 11 Jul 2006, Haynes, Tim (SELEX) (UK Capability Green) tim.hay...@selex-sas.com writes Isn't that a clutch of egg-heads? Could be. Or may be an 'addle'. But my question was about a collective noun for 'experts'. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
experts group noun
How about a contradiction of experts? Jon Larkin In message 26e661f1184c054581e96d3a0f8498b02f0...@desmdswms201.des.grplnk.net, dated Tue, 11 Jul 2006, Haynes, Tim (SELEX) (UK Capability Green) tim.hay...@selex-sas.com writes Isn't that a clutch of egg-heads? Could be. Or may be an 'addle'. But my question was about a collective noun for 'experts'. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Two obscure questions for the group ...
Doug, Responses to your questions: 1. Cell phones and other wireless devices follow whichever spectrum allocation opens up. The higher frequencies are generally less in demand than the lower ones so that is where the commercial spectrum allocations are occurring. As I understand it, the new commercial spectrum is being taken from that previously allocated to the military (and hence why DFS is enforced on some frequencies). Spectrum allocation = $$! 2. You can find the RoHS requirement (Directive 2002/95/EC) at: http://europa.eu.int/smartapi/cgi/sga_doc?smartapi!celexapi!prod!CELEXnu mdoclg=ENnumdoc=32002L0095model=guichett Cheers, Marko From: On Behalf Of C N Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 5:59 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Two obscure questions for the group ... 1. What is the reason for cell phone frequencies constantly increasing? Now they're up to over 5GHz. 2. Since RoHS does have an impact on my job as a compliance engineer I have to ask this next question. Where is the actual standard for the next restricted substances effort - the Green Standard? I've read many a website, talked to several people, have noted the list of restricted and banned substances with their corresponding PPM max levels, seen references to ISO14000 etc etc ... But I don't know nor seen any actual standard mentioned such as some European Norm cited. Anyone know? Regards, Doug McKean - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Two obscure questions for the group ...
1. What is the reason for cell phone frequencies constantly increasing? Now they're up to over 5GHz. 2. Since RoHS does have an impact on my job as a compliance engineer I have to ask this next question. Where is the actual standard for the next restricted substances effort - the Green Standard? I've read many a website, talked to several people, have noted the list of restricted and banned substances with their corresponding PPM max levels, seen references to ISO14000 etc etc ... But I don't know nor seen any actual standard mentioned such as some European Norm cited. Anyone know? Regards, Doug McKean - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: NASA Evolvable Systems Group antenna
For those interested in antenna design, here's an interesting one done at NASA, Ames Research. http://ic.arc.nasa.gov/projects/esg/publications/lohn_papers/gptp2004.p df Ralph McDiarmid, AScT Compliance Engineering Group Xantrex Technology Inc. This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: The technical side - yahoo emc group
Robert, I agree about the spammers, that is why I have it set up with restricted access and hidden email addresses. Also, I don't allow attachments. Bob Richards. Robert A. Macy m...@california.com wrote: A word of caution, the finite element analysis group, FEMM, moved to Yahoo, as a discussion group and the email traffic went to zip. Now, about 10% of the emails are spammers somehow getting in there. And, far worse, the spammers somehow glean addresses from those groups. The amount of spam I receive skyrockets everytime I try to communicate over that group. - Robert - On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:00:53 -0800 (PST) Bob Richards wrote: Weston, There is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emctech which covers EMC testing. It is relatively new so there has not been much traffic yet. It is primarily intended for technicians and persons running emc tests. It is not intended for EMC design or EMC directives, although discussions along those lines won't be discouraged. Bob Richards. Square D. This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: The technical side - yahoo emc group
Hi Robert: Adding to your comments on spammers... All incoming e-mail to the IEEE is scanned for both spam and viruses. Both are effective. If you have an IEEE alias, you know how effective they are! In addition, our listserver does not distribute messages from non-subscribers. This is double-protection against spam. Our subscriber list is not available to non-subscribers. I'm not sure our subscriber list is available to our subscribers -- only to our list administrators. So, if you get spam, virus, phishers, etc., they did not get your address from us! Best regards, Richard Nute co-administrator, IEEE EMC-PSTC Listserver c/o Hewlett-Packard Company San Diego 858-655-3329 Robert A. Macy wrote: A word of caution, the finite element analysis group, FEMM, moved to Yahoo, as a discussion group and the email traffic went to zip. Now, about 10% of the emails are spammers somehow getting in there. And, far worse, the spammers somehow glean addresses from those groups. The amount of spam I receive skyrockets everytime I try to communicate over that group. - Robert - On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:00:53 -0800 (PST) Bob Richards b...@toprudder.com wrote: Weston, There is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emctech which covers EMC testing. It is relatively new so there has not been much traffic yet. It is primarily intended for technicians and persons running emc tests. It is not intended for EMC design or EMC directives, although discussions along those lines won't be discouraged. Bob Richards. Square D. Beal, Weston weston_b...@mentorg.com wrote: I've been reading the messages on this list for a few weeks now and find that I need another view. Is there an email list similar to this that covers just the technical implementation side of EMC rather than the specification and regulations? Thanks, Weston This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: The technical side - yahoo emc group
A word of caution, the finite element analysis group, FEMM, moved to Yahoo, as a discussion group and the email traffic went to zip. Now, about 10% of the emails are spammers somehow getting in there. And, far worse, the spammers somehow glean addresses from those groups. The amount of spam I receive skyrockets everytime I try to communicate over that group. - Robert - On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:00:53 -0800 (PST) Bob Richards b...@toprudder.com wrote: Weston, There is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emctech which covers EMC testing. It is relatively new so there has not been much traffic yet. It is primarily intended for technicians and persons running emc tests. It is not intended for EMC design or EMC directives, although discussions along those lines won't be discouraged. Bob Richards. Square D. Beal, Weston weston_b...@mentorg.com wrote: I've been reading the messages on this list for a few weeks now and find that I need another view. Is there an email list similar to this that covers just the technical implementation side of EMC rather than the specification and regulations? Thanks, Weston This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/listserv/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwellmcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: RF amplifier, EN 55011 group I or grroup II
I read in !emc-pstc that emc e...@maido-maido.de wrote (in 002101c19c3 d$ed2be6e0$504c8050@home) about 'RF amplifier, EN 55011 group I or grroup II', on Sun, 13 Jan 2002: Beside there is no such thing, as EN 55022, class A, group II. Still after rereading the EN 55011 :2001several times, including the samples given in the annex I rather would use EN 55011 class A, group I. So which one is the correct choice, group I or group II Group 1 is correct. Group 2 is for equipment that *is intended to radiate*, in order to do what it is supposed to do. Of course, you should inform the supplier about the error in the Declaration. It may simply be a printing error.. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RF amplifier, EN 55011 group I or grroup II
Hi I jsut received an RF amplifier with an declaration of conformity for the European market. There the manufacturer declared compliance to EN 55022, class A, group II Beside there is no such thing, as EN 55022, class A, group II. Still after rereading the EN 55011 :2001several times, including the samples given in the annex I rather would use EN 55011 class A, group I. So which one is the correct choice, group I or group II Regards --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Regulatory General Discussion : ouput of Compliance group
I read in !emc-pstc that Andre, Pierre-Marie pierre- marie.an...@intel.com wrote (in 9985493A802AD5118C4E0090274627535EC2EE @swsmsx34.isw.intel.com) about 'Regulatory General Discussion : ouput of Compliance group', on Mon, 17 Dec 2001: The good argument is really in the FULL implication of the Compliance group in the design process right ? with full power to sign off the design changes IMHO, the European EMC and Low Voltage Directives effectively require this to be the case. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: Regulatory General Discussion : ouput of Compliance group
Doug, thanks you for your inputs. The good argument is really in the FULL implication of the Compliance group in the design process right ? with full power to sign off the design changes best regards to all compliance engineers Pierre-Marie Andre Senior Approval Engineer -Original Message- From: Doug McKean [mailto:dmck...@auspex.com] Sent: samedi 15 décembre 2001 01:26 To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group Subject: Re: Regulatory General Discussion : ouput of Compliance group Andre, Pierre-Marie wrote: So has anybody some thoughts or argument on the measurement or evaluation of an Compliance Group ? Well, I'd hate to let the dirty little secret out of the bag for those of us who would fall under such and evaluation. Important in such an evaluation would be that the company has allowed the compliance engineer to have significant input to the design/mfring processes. I've been in companies where evaluations from the compliance engineer amounted to nothing more than a suggestion. Very frustrating. Other places had the compliance engineer greatly involved as a signatory in product release and with ECR/ECOs. Start with an ideal world where the compliance engineer has complete planning, budgeting, signatory/approval powers with the complete product cycle from prototype-to-product release-to product obsolescence. Consider that as the complete model. Then, as the person has less and less involvement/approval power in those areas, they are thus less responsible for them and thus, they are not to be evaluated in those areas. You'll probably find the typical compliance engineer ends up in reality scheduling tests w/no approval powers, has input to ECR/ECOs but no signatory powers, inputs into product design by way of memos, sometimes are the last to know about significant design changes, and might answer to someone who knows little about compliance engineering. IMO, evaluation would be difficult. Regards, Doug McKean --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Regulatory General Discussion : ouput of Compliance group
Doug, You've described the poles-apart situations of regulatory compliance very well. I've worked in both types of situations, and can say that my contribution and worth to the company in the first example far exceeds anything that can be achieved in a company of your last example. I've felt underused and undervalued, and made haste to find another job. Educating management just did not work when they have their minds set otherwise. taniagr...@msn.com - Original Message - From: Doug McKean Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 4:59 PM To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group Subject: Re: Regulatory General Discussion : ouput of Compliance group Andre, Pierre-Marie wrote: So has anybody some thoughts or argument on the measurement or evaluation of an Compliance Group ? Well, I'd hate to let the dirty little secret out of the bag for those of us who would fall under such and evaluation. Important in such an evaluation would be that the company has allowed the compliance engineer to have significant input to the design/mfring processes. I've been in companies where evaluations from the compliance engineer amounted to nothing more than a suggestion. Very frustrating. Other places had the compliance engineer greatly involved as a signatory in product release and with ECR/ECOs. Start with an ideal world where the compliance engineer has complete planning, budgeting, signatory/approval powers with the complete product cycle from prototype-to-product release-to product obsolescence. Consider that as the complete model. Then, as the person has less and less involvement/approval power in those areas, they are thus less responsible for them and thus, they are not to be evaluated in those areas. You'll probably find the typical compliance engineer ends up in reality scheduling tests w/no approval powers, has input to ECR/ECOs but no signatory powers, inputs into product design by way of memos, sometimes are the last to know about significant design changes, and might answer to someone who knows little about compliance engineering. IMO, evaluation would be difficult. Regards, Doug McKean --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Regulatory General Discussion : ouput of Compliance group
Andre, Pierre-Marie wrote: So has anybody some thoughts or argument on the measurement or evaluation of an Compliance Group ? Well, I'd hate to let the dirty little secret out of the bag for those of us who would fall under such and evaluation. Important in such an evaluation would be that the company has allowed the compliance engineer to have significant input to the design/mfring processes. I've been in companies where evaluations from the compliance engineer amounted to nothing more than a suggestion. Very frustrating. Other places had the compliance engineer greatly involved as a signatory in product release and with ECR/ECOs. Start with an ideal world where the compliance engineer has complete planning, budgeting, signatory/approval powers with the complete product cycle from prototype-to-product release-to product obsolescence. Consider that as the complete model. Then, as the person has less and less involvement/approval power in those areas, they are thus less responsible for them and thus, they are not to be evaluated in those areas. You'll probably find the typical compliance engineer ends up in reality scheduling tests w/no approval powers, has input to ECR/ECOs but no signatory powers, inputs into product design by way of memos, sometimes are the last to know about significant design changes, and might answer to someone who knows little about compliance engineering. IMO, evaluation would be difficult. Regards, Doug McKean --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Regulatory General Discussion : ouput of Compliance group
Hi there, A few days ago there was some very interesting discussions about the Compliance groups among companies. A lot of ideas came out very clearly like do a company needs a centralized regulatory group,how to fund it,how to explain our regulatory tasks (quite complex !),how to structure it. Some extracts of the previous discussions : RE: Quality Assurance and product approvals Unless the role of the Compliance group is very narrow and involves only support of one function (which I doubt), I feel that an independent Compliance group is essential. It should be functionally independent to any other group and reporting to the MD, or, reporting to the QA Director/Manager. This will mean you can realistically argue for adequate resouces to do a professional job for all those groups requiring your services. You will have somebody independent at the right level in the organisation supporting the Compliance group - essential when $$$ are involved. Let's face it, no RD Manager is going to approve headcount for a 2nd Compliance Engineer whose primary function is to do audits of the production facility to ensure critical components are controlled as they should, and, to support Sales/Marketing to achieve product approvals worldwide. (To bring this back to procedures/process) There also needs to be a 'document' which highlights: 1. What services the Compliance group offer; 2. The inputs (from other groups) required, and the outputs to be expected from each service; 3. Turnaround time (this will never be 100% accurate) With a document such as this published it raises awareness among each of the functions that the Compliance group do have organisation-wide responsibilites and are not at the beck and call of just one group. It forces them to plan for compliance also. It gives the Compliance group more credibility and visibility I still have some question about the output of such a group.Since we are only producing a so called Type Approval it appears for some people that we are measured with the number of Type Approval granted. But this measurement is un realistics since some approval require 6 months effort whereas others require only a few days ! In others words the measurement must include the difficulty and complexity of the approval. So has anybody some thoughts or argument on the measurement or evaluation of an Compliance Group ? many thanks for your help Pierre-Marie Andre Senior Approval Engineer ---BeginMessage--- I think the point raised by Gary re: where the Compliance group fits into the organisation structure is more important than procedures/process, although I disagree with him about where that should be. Let me explain. Having a good working relationship with Engineering is indeed critical, however from my experience I believe it essential for the Compliance group to be organisationally independent of Engineering. If not, then there are always conflicts of interest when allocating the (usually limited) Compliance resources between: Engineering - there are 4 design reviews this week and preparation required for a safety pre-compliance test next week; Operations - the agency auditor is visiting next week and there is some prep needed; Sales/Marketing - the Russian approval is expiring in 2 weeks and you need to re-apply, prepare doc pack, etc. How do you prioritise without getting slack from at least one functional head ?? Obviously if the Compliance group is actually a group and not just 1 or 2 persons, then with a good understanding of the roles amongst the group members the above does not really pose a problem. However I do NOT believe this is the case, particularly in the current climate of lay-offs, with us Compliance folk are becoming less essential. Unless the role of the Compliance group is very narrow and involves only support of one function (which I doubt), I feel that an independent Compliance group is essential. It should be functionally independent to any other group and reporting to the MD, or, reporting to the QA Director/Manager. This will mean you can realistically argue for adequate resouces to do a professional job for all those groups requiring your services. You will have somebody independent at the right level in the organisation supporting the Compliance group - essential when $$$ are involved. Let's face it, no RD Manager is going to approve headcount for a 2nd Compliance Engineer whose primary function is to do audits of the production facility to ensure critical components are controlled as they should, and, to support Sales/Marketing to achieve product approvals worldwide. (To bring this back to procedures/process) There also needs to be a 'document' which highlights: 1. What services the Compliance group offer; 2. The inputs (from other groups) required
Re: Group:
I read in !emc-pstc that Donald McElheran don...@hq.rossvideo.com wrote (in 808E4747B94FD511BDB0005004A1DE7F0521E3@HQ-EXCHANGE) about 'Group:', on Mon, 12 Nov 2001: The product being supplied via an external low voltage ( 20V DC @ 6A ) Do you mean 'less than 20 V'? The symbols and are often confused. appears to technically fall outside the scope of both the European LVD directive and North American NRTL certification requirements for products directly connected to the public mains. It is likely that the LVD will be revised within the foreseeable future to have no lower limit of voltage, like the RTTE Directive. The product is similar to that of a laptop computer running from an wall mounted adapter. Questions have been raised regarding flammability of enclosure materials which will have a significant impact of the products cost. Could any member of the forum who may have had to address similar situation share there thoughts? At this point it would appear that provided we ensure the external power supply conforms to any applicable safety standards in which the equipment is to be marketed that their is no legislated (hate to use this term) requirements to safety certify the table top product. The input power is up to 120 W, which is quite enough to cause a significant fire hazard. Also, are any voltages higher than 20 V generated inside the box? You would be well-advised to apply the appropriate safety standard (IEC/EN60950/UL1950?), even if according to the letter of the law you may not need to. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: Group:
Donald At the risk of pre-empting others with more time to give a comprehensive answer, within Europe this type of product would fall under the General Product Safety Directive 92/59/EEC http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/en/lif/dat/1992/en_392L0059.html Currently this is rather vague on applicable standards, but I believe that it is in process of being amended to be harmonised standards-based directive like the LVD, RTTE Directives etc. This amendment may (already have been?)be passed this year to come into operation in 2003. As such, you would generally apply the same safety standard that would apply if the product were actually mains powered, e.g. EN60950 or EN60065. Obviously the requirements for the AC mains circuits would not apply but - in particular - the flammability requirements would be very applicable. In practice - and even if the new text is still vague - I have always thought that there was very little obvious alternative anyway - especially in countries like the UK where a due dilegence defence in law in necessary. Regards John Allen Thales Defence Communications Division Bracknell, UK -Original Message- From: Donald McElheran [mailto:don...@hq.rossvideo.com] Sent: 12 November 2001 15:41 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Group: Group: We are currently in the process of a new table top type product design which will be powered via an external internationally certified DC supply. I have been asked to determine what compliance standards will have to be applied to ensure that the product meets regulator compliance requirements. The appropriate EMC standards are quite straight forward but I am having more difficult nailing down product safety requirements. The product being supplied via an external low voltage ( 20V DC @ 6A ) appears to technically fall outside the scope of both the European LVD directive and North American NRTL certification requirements for products directly connected to the public mains. The product is similar to that of a laptop computer running from an wall mounted adapter. Questions have been raised regarding flammability of enclosure materials which will have a significant impact of the products cost. Could any member of the forum who may have had to address similar situation share there thoughts? At this point it would appear that provided we ensure the external power supply conforms to any applicable safety standards in which the equipment is to be marketed that their is no legislated (hate to use this term) requirements to safety certify the table top product. Comments? Donal McElheran Product Compliance Ross Video Ltd. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Group:
Group: We are currently in the process of a new table top type product design which will be powered via an external internationally certified DC supply. I have been asked to determine what compliance standards will have to be applied to ensure that the product meets regulator compliance requirements. The appropriate EMC standards are quite straight forward but I am having more difficult nailing down product safety requirements. The product being supplied via an external low voltage ( 20V DC @ 6A ) appears to technically fall outside the scope of both the European LVD directive and North American NRTL certification requirements for products directly connected to the public mains. The product is similar to that of a laptop computer running from an wall mounted adapter. Questions have been raised regarding flammability of enclosure materials which will have a significant impact of the products cost. Could any member of the forum who may have had to address similar situation share there thoughts? At this point it would appear that provided we ensure the external power supply conforms to any applicable safety standards in which the equipment is to be marketed that their is no legislated (hate to use this term) requirements to safety certify the table top product. Comments? Donal McElheran Product Compliance Ross Video Ltd. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: Vedr.: Re: EN55011 Group 1 and Group 2
Please be advised that the emission limit figures you quote in your referenced e-mail are _not_ for ClassA Grp2 equipment, but for ClassA, Grp1 equipment. CISPR 11 also specifies 10m distance for this 40dB level. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Vedr.: Re: EN55011 Group 1 and Group 2
Hello Bruce and EMC-ESPC Group, The latest draft on next edition of (EN/) IEC 61800-3 is using the CISPR 11 Class A group 2 limits for power drive systems to be used in Second environment = Industrial use. The radiated emission limits are 40 dB from 30 - 230 MHz and 50 dB from 230 - 1000 MHz with 30 meter measuring distance. Those limits are derived from CISPR, 11 Table 5 - Electromagnetic radiation disturbance limits for Group 2 Class A equipment. So, someone (producers of power drive system?) do want to use at least a part of the CISPR 11 Group 2 Class A test for power drives. If some of you are interested in reading this new proposal you must get from your local IEC Committee, document reference: IEC/22G/73/CD. Best regards Helge Knudsen Delta Electronics Testing, EMC Venlighedsvej 4, DK-2970 Hoersholm Telephone : +45 45 86 77 22 Fax : +45 45 86 58 98 bfag...@us.tuv.com 15-11-00 06:07 Since there are no comments on this so far, I thought I would put my 2 cents in.It seems to me that motor drives would be in group 1, keeping in mind the first paragraph of appendix A where it says for testing purposes the equipment is to be defined in terms of the purpose for which it was designed Also, I believe the power drive system product family EMC standard, EN 61800-3:1996 uses limits similar to EN 55011 group 1(I don't have this standard in front of me so please correct me if I'm wrong.) I'm also curious why someone would want want to be in group 2 because this requires an additional magnetic field (table 5 of EN 55011) test down to 150khz that could be difficult for Power inverters. Bruce Fagley Sr. Specialist, in-situ EMC TUV Rheinland Newtown CT. 203-426-0888 ext 119 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
EN55011 Group 1 and Group 2
Hello group, It is my understanding that Group 2 devices as per the standard definition are devices that use electromagnetic radiation for the treatment of material and spark erosion equipment. In Annex A, under Group 2 the standard declares Thyristor-controlled equipment. My question relates to a large motor controller that uses Thyristor control. The client wants to test under Class 2 and I believe that is only for treatment of materials and spark erosion equipment. They already did some testing with a competent body in UK that allowed them to categorize it into Class 2. Does anyone have any comments to offer? Thank you Duane -- International Certification Services, Inc. 1100 Falcon Ave Glencoe, MN 55336 Duane R. Bagdons President www.icsi-us.com Tele: 1-320-864- Fax: 1-320-864-6611 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
FYI: Report of the Independent Expert Group on Mobile Phones entitled Mobile Phones and Health
According to their website: The report of the Independent Expert Group on Mobile Phones entitled Mobile Phones and Health was published on Thursday, 11 May. A press conference was also held on 11 May at The Royal Academy of Engineering, London. The report is available here: http://www.iegmp.org.uk/IEGMPtxt.htm Matt --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: EN55011 Group 1 and Group 2
Brian, I would vote for Group 2 too. The high voltage DC sputtering, arcing or sparking, and associated RF radiated emissions -- as a whole package -- should be considered being intentionally designed for the working object --the metal specimen. Regards, Barry -- Original Text -- From: Brian At Work bkundew...@qtm.net, on 10/11/99 6:51 AM: Barry and all, My confusion in understanding the EN55011 classification for group 1 and group 2 has to do with the phrase in which radio-frequency energy is intentionally generated. I can see how a microwave or an induction furnace would satisfy this description, but I was confused where it listed Spot Welders. Spot Welders are usually not operated by RF frequencies. Usually they run at line frequency or DC. I guess I wasn't thinking that generating a spark (such as with a DC welder) would be intentionally generating RF which I assume would also satisfy the Group 2 classification. Our company makes a metal analysis instrument that uses high voltage DC to perform a 'sputtering process which is a type of arcing or sparking. My questions on this subject was for the purpose of trying to determine if it would fall under the Group 2 classification. My current thinking is that it would. Let me know if you disagree. Thanks, Brian Kunde LECO - Original Message - From: Bailin Ma b...@anritsu.com To: Brian At Work bkundew...@qtm.net; IEEE Group emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 6:07 PM Subject: re: EN55011 Group 1 and Group 2 Brian, Here is my two cents worth: RF energy generated by Group 1 is intentionally only for internal function. And Group 2 intentionally generates RF for their working objects. Thus an electronic microscope (which is not a smaller bench type test equipment -- see your Email) falls under Group 1. On the other hand, microwave oven and RF medical therapy belong to Group 2. Please correct me if I'm confused. Barry Ma Anritsu Co. Morgan Hill, CA 408-778-2000 -- Original Text -- From: Brian At Work bkundew...@qtm.net, on 10/8/99 12:06 PM: Hello Group, For those of you who are familiar with EN55011 or CISPR11 what criteria is used to determine if a product falls under Group 1 or Group 2? The standards give some examples of product types but there should be a base criteria which was used. Group 1 products seem to be smaller bench type test equipment like signal generators, spectrum analyzers, and such. Group 2 seems to be products that generate a spark or uses RF in some way to heat, melt, or spark erode. The gap between these two groups seem to be wide which leaves a very large gray area. Is there a defined criteria that exists? Please feel free to give me your thoughts so we can draw up our own criteria if necessary. Thank you in advance, Brain Kunde Compliance Testing Center LECO Corp. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
re: EN55011 Group 1 and Group 2
Brian, Here is my two cents worth: RF energy generated by Group 1 is intentionally only for internal function. And Group 2 intentionally generates RF for their working objects. Thus an electronic microscope (which is not a smaller bench type test equipment -- see your Email) falls under Group 1. On the other hand, microwave oven and RF medical therapy belong to Group 2. Please correct me if I'm confused. Barry Ma Anritsu Co. Morgan Hill, CA 408-778-2000 -- Original Text -- From: Brian At Work bkundew...@qtm.net, on 10/8/99 12:06 PM: Hello Group, For those of you who are familiar with EN55011 or CISPR11 what criteria is used to determine if a product falls under Group 1 or Group 2? The standards give some examples of product types but there should be a base criteria which was used. Group 1 products seem to be smaller bench type test equipment like signal generators, spectrum analyzers, and such. Group 2 seems to be products that generate a spark or uses RF in some way to heat, melt, or spark erode. The gap between these two groups seem to be wide which leaves a very large gray area. Is there a defined criteria that exists? Please feel free to give me your thoughts so we can draw up our own criteria if necessary. Thank you in advance, Brain Kunde Compliance Testing Center LECO Corp. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
EN55011 Class A Group 2 - Resent
(I'm sending this again in TEXT format for those who may have trouble reading RICH TEXT.) Our company makes laboratory equipment so we perform radiated emissions test per EN55011 and apply the CE marking according to EN50081-2 or EN61326-1. Some of our products would fall under the Class A Group 2 category in EN55011, but neither the EN50081-2 or EN61326-1 seem to address this route. At closer look at the EN61326-1 family standard it seems that some of our lab equipment that uses induction heaters and other heating processes might be outside its scope. Is there a different family or generic standard that I should be looking at? Here is my bottom line question. Can I use the Class A Group 2 category? Thanks, Brian Kunde Compliance Testing Center LECO Corp. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: EN55011 Class A Group 2
Brian, I was waiting to see if someone more experienced in EN 55011 answered, but seeing none yet, here's my comment. If your equipment falls under the scope of EN 55011 industrial, scientific and medical (ISM) radio-frequency equipment then why not use this standard directly as the harmonised standard by which you declare your product compliant with the emissions aspects of the EMC Directive? Then you can use any applicable category from that standard. Roger Brian At Work bkundew...@qtm.net on 30/09/99 14:26:52 Please respond to Brian At Work bkundew...@qtm.net To: IEEE Group emc-p...@ieee.org cc:(bcc: Roger Viles/PLY/Global) Subject: EN55011 Class A Group 2 Our company makes laboratory equipment so we perform radiated emissions test per EN55011 and apply the CE marking according to EN50081-2 or EN61326-1. Some of our products would fall under the Class A Group 2 category in EN55011, but neither the EN50081-2 or EN61326-1 seem to address this route. At closer look at the EN61326-1 family standard it seems that some of our lab equipment that uses induction heaters and other heating processes might be outside its scope. Is there a different family or generic standard that I should be looking at? Here is my bottom line question. Can I use the Class A Group 2 category? Our company makes laboratory equipment so we perform radiated emissions test per EN55011 and apply the CE marking according to EN50081-2 or EN61326-1. Some of our products would fall under the Class A Group 2 category in EN55011, but neither the EN50081-2 or EN61326-1 seem to address this route. At closer look at the EN61326-1 family standard it seems that some of our lab equipment that uses induction heaters and other heating processes might be outside its scope. Is there a different family or generic standard that I should be looking at? Here is my bottom line question. Can I use the Class A Group 2 category?
EN55011 Class A Group 2
Our company makes laboratory equipment so we perform radiated emissions test per EN55011 and apply the CE marking according to EN50081-2 or EN61326-1. Some of our products would fall under the Class A Group 2 category in EN55011, but neither the EN50081-2 or EN61326-1 seem to address this route. At closer look at the EN61326-1 family standard it seems that some of our lab equipment that uses induction heaters and other heating processes might be outside its scope. Is there a different family or generic standard that I should be looking at? Here is my bottom line question. Can I use the Class A Group 2 category?
Request for Product Safety's Local Group transcribers (Secretary)
For those who are interested in a few words from the newly elected Secretary of National Product Safety Technical Committee (NPSTC), please read on. Many of you may who are in EMC, may also be in product safety. You may also be part of the local safety group within your area. I would like to start a Secretaries group listing. This request is not limited to just the transcribers, but to all officers and members who perform the secretarial duties of the local chapter. As the main focal point for interchapter communication and to promote interchapter exchanges, I would like to build a list of all the local chapters secretaries with the following information: 1) Chapter name 2) Name 3) Position 4) Work name/address 5) work phone #, work fax #, e-mail I am also encouraging the chapter secretaries to document their meetings and send them to me, fax or e-mail. The plan would be to collate the minutes of meetings for mass mailings to those that are on the list. Two things would then be accomplished. One, interchapter communication coming from a central point (no editing of the minutes) and second, start of interchapter exchanges if one chapter wants to follow-up with another chapter's ideas or events. Another objective for the NPSTC is to identify common interest, address PSTC newsletter issues and develop website options. I hope that you would take a few minutes and respond with the above information and most importantly, your comments. Richard Georgerian Secretary of the National Product Safety Technical Committee Exabyte 1685 38th Street Boulder, CO 80301 phone: 303-417-7537 fax: 303-417-5710 e-mail: richa...@exabyte.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Responses: What is Class 1, Div. 1 Group D?
Dear emc-pstc, A number of people responded to me, rather than the list so that I could consolidate the emails and pass them on to the list. As most of the emails contained the same information and to conserve space and bandwidth, I picked several to pass on, which are included below. If you would like me to pass on the others I will, just let me know. With all the information that was emailed to me, we were able to determine that following standards would probably apply to our product and the customers application: 1. UL 913 (for intrinsically safe equipment). 2. ANSI/UL1203 Explosion-Proof and Dust-Ignition Proof Electrical Equipment for Use in Hazardous (Classified) Locations. 3. Article 500 of the National Electrical Code. The product the customer was asking us about is a battery operated portable printer (To take a quick look at the product the customer ask about check the following web page : www.monarch-marking.com/products/6035.htm.). As Jacob Z. Schanker, P.E., said if you have to ask it probably isn't, and I agree with his comments on our product. Our product contains electrical and thermal energy sources, as well as DC motors with brushes, all of which could be problems under the standards. I would like to thank the following people, who responded to my request for information: Robert Timsrt...@emx.ericsson.com Stewart; Judd stewart.jud...@sd.littondsd.com Jeff Whitmire jeff.whitm...@adtran.com Constantin Bolintineanu bolin...@dscltd.com Jerry Roberton jerry_rober...@net.com Mark Briggsmbri...@elliottlabs.com Bill Burks / Rick Everett bbu...@apcc.com Roger Smith me...@aol.com Gary Labadie glaba...@acromag.com Eric Henninghenn...@fp.com Mike Morrow mike_mor...@datainstruments.com Rick Cooper rcoo...@metlabs.com Paul T. Kelly kel...@ul.com Nick Ludlam nlud...@worldnet.att.net Schanker; Jack jschan...@mdsroc.com Kazimier Gawrzyjal kazimier.gawrzyjal.k...@nt.com Jacob Z. Schanker, P.E. j.schan...@mdsroc.com mike harris tecco...@i-cafe.net Jim Jim Bacher, Senior Engineer Paxar - Monarch email:bach...@monarch.com voice:1-937-865-2020 fax:1-937-865-2048 Author: Eric Henning henn...@fp.com Jim, you'll probably get a flood of answers but check the National Electrical Code (NFPA 70) if you're in the US. article 500 describes hazardous areas but basically Class I, Div 1, Group D is: Class I (explosive gases) Div 1 (always explosive mix available) Group D (propane type gases) other classiifcations are Class II (explosive dusts) Div 2 (explosive mix only during abnormal or fault conditions) Group A (acetylene type gases0 Group B (hydrogen) Group C (ethylene) Groups E,F, G (dusts) hope this helps. typically Class I, Div 1 products need to be either explosionproof (contain an internal explosion) or intrinisically safe (not enough energy to cause a spark that can ignite a gas) Typicallu you must go to an NRTL (UL, FM) to get an explosionproof approval. eric henn...@fp.com Author: Mike Morrow mmor...@compuserve.com This is a hazardous locations classification. Class I = Gasses, Division 1 = gas present all the time, Group D = Type of Gasses (typically propane for Group D). This comes out of the National Electric Code, Articles 500-505. You will need an NRTL (Factory Mutual, UL, etc) certification in order to meet these requirements. You can contact Bill Lawrence at Factory Mutual 781-255-4822 for further info. They are a good place to start. FYI, typical exams run in the 3-8 month range and cost 6-10K depending on the complexity of the product. Mike Morrow Product Standards Engineer Data Instruments mike_mor...@datainstruments.com mmor...@compuserve.com Phone 978-264-9550 xt-201 Fax 978-263-0630 Author: rcoo...@metlabs.com Mr. Bacher, Since your customer referenced Class I, Division 1, Group D, I'll assume the application is in the U.S. or Canada. What your customer was asking you was whether your product was suitable for use in a hazardous (classified) atmosphere. In this case, an atmosphere of methane, natural gas, gasoline, or butane, just to name a few of the Group D gasses. Petroleum plants and distribution facilities, as well as gas utility access areas are some examples where such equipment may be required. If your product is portable or is part of a process control system, then UL 913 (for intrinsically safe equipment) may be applicable. If your product requires the use of an explosion-proof enclosure to make it suitable, then UL 1203 may be applicable. There are a few other possibilities and Canada has their equivalent standards. Another source of information is Article 500 of the National Electrical Code which defines hazardous location classifications. If you have any further questions, feel free to e-mail or telephone me. Rick Cooper Sr. Project Engineer MET Laboratories, Inc. 410-354-3300 800-638-6057
Class 1 Div 1 Group D
Jim, You can get further information on Class 1, Div 1, Group D from Factory Mutual Research Corporation (FMRC) and from UL and CSA. FMRC both have wall charts giving information on what the various Classes, Divisions and Groups mean. I think FM's is better but then I am biased. Contact number for FM is (781) 762 4851 if you want to get hold of one. Or you can email at; approv...@factory-mutual.com Nick Ludlam
RE: What is Class 1, Div. 1 Group D?
Jim, I'm not positive but that sounds like classifications under a Hazardous Locations safety standard (UL or CSA) ... I don't have any on hand to verify. Kaz Gawrzyjal Nortel k...@nortel.com -Original Message- From: bach...@ccmail.mmsday.com [SMTP:bach...@ccmail.mmsday.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 6:14 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: What is Class 1, Div. 1 Group D? Yesterday we had a customer call asking if our products were Class 1, Div. 1, Group D compliant. Can anyone tell me where I can get information on what it is and what it takes to meet it? Jim Bacher Paxar-Monarch bach...@monarch.com
Re: What is Class 1, Div. 1 Group D?
Jim, Try National Electrical Code Article 500 Hazardous (Classified) Locations Class 1 is locations where flammable gases or vapors are or may be in the air in quantities sufficient to produce explosive or ignitible mixtures Class 1 Div 1 is as above due to 1) normal conditions, or 2) frequently because of repair operations/leakage/etc, or 3) breakdown/faulty operation Group D is atmospheres such as acetone, ammonia, benzene, butane, cyclopropane, ethanol, gasoline, hexane, methanol, methane, natural gas, naptha, propane, etc If your product carries a rating label with the above Class 1 Div 1 Group D rating and a NRTL mark, you can claim to meet this performance level. If not, I suggest to contact UL in Northbrook IL at 847-272-8800 to discuss evaluating your product. I used to work at Square D Co., which makes HazLoc electrical equipment, and was responsible for building an in-house hydrogen-air testing facility, plus testing with UL witnessing our tests for Listing. My company helps manufacturers get UL and other agency certifications. If we can help, feel free to contact me. Mike Harris Teccom Co. tecco...@i-cafe.net 707-258-1360/fax 1361 -- From: BACHERJ bach...@ccmail.mmsday.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: What is Class 1, Div. 1 Group D? Date: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 5:14 AM Yesterday we had a customer call asking if our products were Class 1, Div. 1, Group D compliant. Can anyone tell me where I can get information on what it is and what it takes to meet it? Jim Bacher Paxar-Monarch bach...@monarch.com
FW: What is Class 1, Div. 1 Group D?
Jim: If you have to ask, chances are your products are not compliant, much less approved. A source for information is a safety approval agency such as UL, Factory Mutual, or CSA. Call them or check their web sites for free information. In short, Class I (roman numeral I) is an area where flammable gases, vapors, or liquids may be present. Division 1 is where ignitable concentrations of flammable gases, vapors, or liquids can exist all of the time or some of the time under normal operating conditions. Group D tells you that the gas in question is propane. To be compliant, a product must be designed, and tested by an approved agency to demonstrate that sparks, or excessive operating temperatures which could cause ignition of the gas, do not exist, and cannot exist even with a fault. Hope this helps. I suggest you tell the customer NO. Jacob Z. Schanker, P.E. Director of Agency Compliance California Microwave 716 242 8454 (voice) 716 242 8427 (fax) j.schan...@mdsroc.com --- -- From: bach...@ccmail.mmsday.com[SMTP:bach...@ccmail.mmsday.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 8:14 AM To:emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: What is Class 1, Div. 1 Group D? Yesterday we had a customer call asking if our products were Class 1, Div. 1, Group D compliant. Can anyone tell me where I can get information on what it is and what it takes to meet it? Jim Bacher Paxar-Monarch bach...@monarch.com
What is Class 1, Div. 1 Group D?
Yesterday we had a customer call asking if our products were Class 1, Div. 1, Group D compliant. Can anyone tell me where I can get information on what it is and what it takes to meet it? Jim Bacher Paxar-Monarch bach...@monarch.com
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