RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
On the subject of migration tool investment by the vendors, migration tools are considered a marketing expense. You build free tools when you're trying to quickly gain market share from your competitors. Once you have the market share, there's less need since the prospective customers will want to move to your product for many other reasons. You also face an increasing competition for the development dollars. On day one, /all/ the customers want migration tools. On day 1000, 2% want migration tools and 98% want some other feature. I'm not apologizing for Microsoft's lack of updated tools - in fact their consistency on this has been quite good for my company. They never did do an HP OpenMail to Exchange or Steltor/Netscape Calendar to Exchange tool, so the ones we did are still viable products. In terms of cost, $1200 for 700 users seems pretty cheap compared to the number of hours spent looking for a solution. Migration tools are rarely cheap from third parties because they're generally expensive to maintain and support and because the third parties don't have the Exchange/Outlook/Windows revenue to shore up the bottom line. Compared to the total cost of the project, $1200 is probably a drop in the bucket. Compared to having to abandon the data, I suspect $1200 is infinitesimal. Creating Outlook personal DLs is a pain in the neck. I know because we had to implement it in our products. You can script it using the Outlook Object Model, but you still have to be careful of the size limitations of an Outlook DL (125-135 entries depending on entry type and address size) and handle adding additional nesting if there are too many for one DL. There are some examples of using the DistListItem object at www.outlookcode.com. Andy Ps - please add appropriate grains of salt to the validity and intellectual honesty of this answer. I have been accused of being an MVP, which may have compromised my ethics and ability to think for myself. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:41 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 OK, some more specifics from the front. ENVIRONMENT - NetWare 6 Server, SP3 - GroupWise 6.5 PO, SP1 - Exchange 2000 Server, (Version 6.0 Build 6249.4, SP3) Migration Workstation - Exchange 2000 Administrative Tools, no SP's - NetWare 32-bit client - GroupWise 6.5 client, not SP1 - Outlook 2000, no patches - Terminal Services in Application Mode What is migrated: - Cabinet - Cabinet - Calendar - Calendar, after logon and import - Contacts - NO, but can use OrgToOut (DL's, see below) - Trash - NO - Mailbox - Inbox - Sent Items - Sent Items - Drafts - Drafts - Junk E-mail - Junk E-mail - Documents - NO, not surprising as this is a different paradigm - Checklist - NO - Work In Progress - Work In Progress Day 2 was largely beating my head against the wall. Could not get GBMT to work with either the 5.2.6 GW client or the 6.5 GW client. I can export users to a file, but cannot reset passwords or set proxy rights. This is not overly distressing since migrating users using their own accounts is working consistly. No real explanation that I can come up with other than I guess something is different in 6.5 that allows this to work. Also, since this is only about 700 users, manually doing this after resetting passwords from the GW Admin interface is a possibility. Sucks if you're the guy that has to do it, but doable. I emailed the creator of GBMT to see if there is an update that might do the trick, but have not heard back and am not really counting on it. Spent the morning trying to get this to work without success. Spent the afternoon beating my head against the wall with converting personal DL's. This one is important to the client because they got burned on this going from Exchange 5.5 to GW6.5 so it bites that I have not been able to get what I consider to be a good solution for this. Contacts work just fine using OrgToOut, but not PDL's. OrgToOut is my own tool that takes CSV files from things like Lotus Organizer and GW and converts them to a format that can be imported into Outlook. If anyone wants a copy, let me know and I'll fire it your way. Exporting the GW address book (Frequent Contacts in GW6.5) to a .NAB file exports the groups, but there does not appear to be a CSV import for PDL's in Outlook. If anyone knows the format or if it is possible to import PDL's into Outlook from a CSV, I would be most appreciative of any insight. Next, I tried VCF format. Again, GW VCF exporting exports the groups and, in fact, exports all of the Frequent Contacts to a single VCF file. However, Outlook VCF import appears to only recognize the very first entry in the VCF file, which it imports successfully and then ignores everything else. So much for VCF being a standard I guess. sigh So next I ran Outlook against the GW server, the thought being that I
RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server
:) ok thanks for the help Our DNS is provided by our ISP, I guess I need to ring them and find out whats going on, we changed about a week ago and instructed they change our MX, I assume it should be fine by now? When I test it from here I get the new IP, so some servers are aware (and this is my home connection, which is on a different ISP to the corporate, so different DNS servers) Thanks again -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: 11 December 2003 21:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Roh roh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server I see 62.49.146.170... www.network-tools.com sees: IP address: 62.49.146.170 Host name: mailgate.partition.co.uk Alias: no-dns-yet.demon.co.uk Your DNS is outta whack -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi Don What address do you see as my MX? It should be 80.176.164.194 Thanks a lot for the help -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: 11 December 2003 18:57 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server It's not your Exchange server if your MX record points to your FW. I telnetted to your MX and the connection failed... -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi there Yeah, the public and private IPs/NAT are all setup as is port forwarding, has been working for ages, no idea why its stopped now I think over the weekend I'll move the Exchange Server outside the firewall and see what happens Anything I can check on the Exch server? thanks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: 11 December 2003 15:10 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server I'm assuming the external interface on the SW has a public IP and the internal interface has a private IP and you are attempting to NAT you connection. In the Sonicwall, under the advanced setting, you should have it setup under one-to-one NAT the public/private translation for your Exchange server. Then under Access have a rule to allow port 25 to that private address. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Niki Blowfield Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi, Running MS Exchange Server 5.5 SP4 on Windows NT4 Single server environment, server sits on private address behind Sonicwall ProVX firewall Firewall forwards all SMTP to this server which has the IMC, has worked fine for a number of years Mail has stopped reaching mailboxes, and doesnt appear to be reaching the Exchange Server at all I would ordinarily suspect the firewall, but you can telnet to our mailserver successfully and send an email from there Our MX record points to mailgate.partition.co.uk which resolves to our Sonicwall ProVX Any ideas? I dont know a great deal about the Sonicwall I guess i could move the NT server temporarily to outside the firewall and give it the address of mailgate.partition.co.uk to see if i can eliminate the firewall Thanks Nik _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
GD - it simply isn't done in professional circles Isn't done? Don't US companies sponsor university posts in the USA? They certainly do here in the UK. If someone sticks the MVP title in their sig I know the deal and can factor it my opinion forming process, it's open. As a browser, lurker and occasional contributor to this list it doesn't bother me in the least that the vendor *of the product I've already got* had made some form of payment to one of the other contributors. When I'm interviewing people for a job what am I supposed to think about someone wearing an MVP tie pin (or whatever the hell you get)? That they are going to brainwash me? What about someone wearing a The only good source is an Open Source badge? If I was asking someone to recommend one of a range of products then I wouldn't go to a vendor of one of those products or someone associated with a vendor - and as long as the association is made explicit I can avoid that. People will have preferences, irrational dislikes, over-inflated ideas of their own importance and all sorts of quirks that I'll have to deal with - that's fine. I'd be a lot more concerned is the MVP programme was secret and MVP's were forbidden from mentioning the fact. --- Oh, and it's haemorrhoids. And aluminium. ;) -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Look, if you cannot understand the difference then you are simply not trying. Did you miss the word from vendors? Honorary titles, medals and other stuff granted on behalf of a professional society to its members is one thing. Vendors are completely different. If a doctor accepted an honorary title from a drug vendor like Pfizer, they would most likely lose their license to practice. But we will never know because it simply isn't done in professional circles. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Friday Poetry (Off-topic)
In the spirit of the Friday Haikus of old, here's one for anybody whose on call-out over Chistmas: I SAW THREE CHIPS - I saw three chips just fail and die The sysops say they came that way The server upped and waved Goodbye On Christmas day in the morning. And who was on the callout tree? To save the day, without delay 'Twas my responsibility On Christmas day in the morning. Virtual server crashed in despair: The data array had gone astray, So cross your heart and say a prayer, On Christmas day in the morning. Say where the ?!#? is my backup disk? Not in it's tray - it's gone away! It's presence will be sorely missed, On Christmas Day in the morning. Circuits fried; alarm bells ring! The spare part comes from Mandalay The DELL SAN takes a battering, On Christmas Day in the morning. So let us all rejoice Amen, This lab, we'll spray, with Beaujolais, For those who give their time again, On Christmas Day in the morning. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server
Looking good from network-tools.com as well... You might want to bookmark that site, it comes in very handy for the likes of these problems... -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server :) ok thanks for the help Our DNS is provided by our ISP, I guess I need to ring them and find out whats going on, we changed about a week ago and instructed they change our MX, I assume it should be fine by now? When I test it from here I get the new IP, so some servers are aware (and this is my home connection, which is on a different ISP to the corporate, so different DNS servers) Thanks again -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: 11 December 2003 21:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Roh roh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server I see 62.49.146.170... www.network-tools.com sees: IP address: 62.49.146.170 Host name: mailgate.partition.co.uk Alias: no-dns-yet.demon.co.uk Your DNS is outta whack -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi Don What address do you see as my MX? It should be 80.176.164.194 Thanks a lot for the help -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: 11 December 2003 18:57 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server It's not your Exchange server if your MX record points to your FW. I telnetted to your MX and the connection failed... -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi there Yeah, the public and private IPs/NAT are all setup as is port forwarding, has been working for ages, no idea why its stopped now I think over the weekend I'll move the Exchange Server outside the firewall and see what happens Anything I can check on the Exch server? thanks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: 11 December 2003 15:10 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server I'm assuming the external interface on the SW has a public IP and the internal interface has a private IP and you are attempting to NAT you connection. In the Sonicwall, under the advanced setting, you should have it setup under one-to-one NAT the public/private translation for your Exchange server. Then under Access have a rule to allow port 25 to that private address. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Niki Blowfield Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi, Running MS Exchange Server 5.5 SP4 on Windows NT4 Single server environment, server sits on private address behind Sonicwall ProVX firewall Firewall forwards all SMTP to this server which has the IMC, has worked fine for a number of years Mail has stopped reaching mailboxes, and doesnt appear to be reaching the Exchange Server at all I would ordinarily suspect the firewall, but you can telnet to our mailserver successfully and send an email from there Our MX record points to mailgate.partition.co.uk which resolves to our Sonicwall ProVX Any ideas? I dont know a great deal about the Sonicwall I guess i could move the NT server temporarily to outside the firewall and give it the address of mailgate.partition.co.uk to see if i can eliminate the firewall Thanks Nik _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL
RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server
Cool site. Thanks for posting, Don. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Looking good from network-tools.com as well... You might want to bookmark that site, it comes in very handy for the likes of these problems... -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server :) ok thanks for the help Our DNS is provided by our ISP, I guess I need to ring them and find out whats going on, we changed about a week ago and instructed they change our MX, I assume it should be fine by now? When I test it from here I get the new IP, so some servers are aware (and this is my home connection, which is on a different ISP to the corporate, so different DNS servers) Thanks again -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: 11 December 2003 21:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Roh roh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server I see 62.49.146.170... www.network-tools.com sees: IP address: 62.49.146.170 Host name: mailgate.partition.co.uk Alias: no-dns-yet.demon.co.uk Your DNS is outta whack -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi Don What address do you see as my MX? It should be 80.176.164.194 Thanks a lot for the help -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: 11 December 2003 18:57 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server It's not your Exchange server if your MX record points to your FW. I telnetted to your MX and the connection failed... -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi there Yeah, the public and private IPs/NAT are all setup as is port forwarding, has been working for ages, no idea why its stopped now I think over the weekend I'll move the Exchange Server outside the firewall and see what happens Anything I can check on the Exch server? thanks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: 11 December 2003 15:10 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server I'm assuming the external interface on the SW has a public IP and the internal interface has a private IP and you are attempting to NAT you connection. In the Sonicwall, under the advanced setting, you should have it setup under one-to-one NAT the public/private translation for your Exchange server. Then under Access have a rule to allow port 25 to that private address. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Niki Blowfield Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi, Running MS Exchange Server 5.5 SP4 on Windows NT4 Single server environment, server sits on private address behind Sonicwall ProVX firewall Firewall forwards all SMTP to this server which has the IMC, has worked fine for a number of years Mail has stopped reaching mailboxes, and doesnt appear to be reaching the Exchange Server at all I would ordinarily suspect the firewall, but you can telnet to our mailserver successfully and send an email from there Our MX record points to mailgate.partition.co.uk which resolves to our Sonicwall ProVX Any ideas? I dont know a great deal about the Sonicwall I guess i could move the NT server temporarily to outside the firewall and give it the address of mailgate.partition.co.uk to see if i can eliminate the firewall Thanks Nik _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server
This is also a good site to look at if you need to figure out issues with DNS. http://www.dnsreport.com/ -Original Message- From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:10 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Cool site. Thanks for posting, Don. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Looking good from network-tools.com as well... You might want to bookmark that site, it comes in very handy for the likes of these problems... -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server :) ok thanks for the help Our DNS is provided by our ISP, I guess I need to ring them and find out whats going on, we changed about a week ago and instructed they change our MX, I assume it should be fine by now? When I test it from here I get the new IP, so some servers are aware (and this is my home connection, which is on a different ISP to the corporate, so different DNS servers) Thanks again -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: 11 December 2003 21:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Roh roh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server I see 62.49.146.170... www.network-tools.com sees: IP address: 62.49.146.170 Host name: mailgate.partition.co.uk Alias: no-dns-yet.demon.co.uk Your DNS is outta whack -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi Don What address do you see as my MX? It should be 80.176.164.194 Thanks a lot for the help -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: 11 December 2003 18:57 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server It's not your Exchange server if your MX record points to your FW. I telnetted to your MX and the connection failed... -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi there Yeah, the public and private IPs/NAT are all setup as is port forwarding, has been working for ages, no idea why its stopped now I think over the weekend I'll move the Exchange Server outside the firewall and see what happens Anything I can check on the Exch server? thanks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: 11 December 2003 15:10 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server I'm assuming the external interface on the SW has a public IP and the internal interface has a private IP and you are attempting to NAT you connection. In the Sonicwall, under the advanced setting, you should have it setup under one-to-one NAT the public/private translation for your Exchange server. Then under Access have a rule to allow port 25 to that private address. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Niki Blowfield Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi, Running MS Exchange Server 5.5 SP4 on Windows NT4 Single server environment, server sits on private address behind Sonicwall ProVX firewall Firewall forwards all SMTP to this server which has the IMC, has worked fine for a number of years Mail has stopped reaching mailboxes, and doesnt appear to be reaching the Exchange Server at all I would ordinarily suspect the firewall, but you can telnet to our mailserver successfully and send an email from there Our MX record points to mailgate.partition.co.uk which resolves to our Sonicwall ProVX Any ideas? I dont know a great deal about the Sonicwall I guess i could move the NT server temporarily to outside the firewall and give it the address of mailgate.partition.co.uk to see if i can eliminate the firewall Thanks Nik _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server
A padiwan you are Soon, a jedi you will be -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:16 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server This is also a good site to look at if you need to figure out issues with DNS. http://www.dnsreport.com/ -Original Message- From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:10 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Cool site. Thanks for posting, Don. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Looking good from network-tools.com as well... You might want to bookmark that site, it comes in very handy for the likes of these problems... -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server :) ok thanks for the help Our DNS is provided by our ISP, I guess I need to ring them and find out whats going on, we changed about a week ago and instructed they change our MX, I assume it should be fine by now? When I test it from here I get the new IP, so some servers are aware (and this is my home connection, which is on a different ISP to the corporate, so different DNS servers) Thanks again -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: 11 December 2003 21:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Roh roh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server I see 62.49.146.170... www.network-tools.com sees: IP address: 62.49.146.170 Host name: mailgate.partition.co.uk Alias: no-dns-yet.demon.co.uk Your DNS is outta whack -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi Don What address do you see as my MX? It should be 80.176.164.194 Thanks a lot for the help -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: 11 December 2003 18:57 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server It's not your Exchange server if your MX record points to your FW. I telnetted to your MX and the connection failed... -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi there Yeah, the public and private IPs/NAT are all setup as is port forwarding, has been working for ages, no idea why its stopped now I think over the weekend I'll move the Exchange Server outside the firewall and see what happens Anything I can check on the Exch server? thanks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: 11 December 2003 15:10 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server I'm assuming the external interface on the SW has a public IP and the internal interface has a private IP and you are attempting to NAT you connection. In the Sonicwall, under the advanced setting, you should have it setup under one-to-one NAT the public/private translation for your Exchange server. Then under Access have a rule to allow port 25 to that private address. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Niki Blowfield Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi, Running MS Exchange Server 5.5 SP4 on Windows NT4 Single server environment, server sits on private address behind Sonicwall ProVX firewall Firewall forwards all SMTP to this server which has the IMC, has worked fine for a number of years Mail has stopped reaching mailboxes, and doesnt appear to be reaching the Exchange Server at all I would ordinarily suspect the firewall, but you can telnet to our mailserver successfully and send an email from there Our MX record points to mailgate.partition.co.uk which resolves to our Sonicwall ProVX Any ideas? I dont know a great deal about the Sonicwall I guess i could move the NT server temporarily to outside the firewall and give it the address of mailgate.partition.co.uk to see if i can eliminate the firewall Thanks Nik _ List posting FAQ:
Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
Good Morning All, I have a Unix/Linux admin that is just wearing me out with regards to Exchanging being 3rd rate. Given all of the variables including memory, processors, etc. How much mail traffic can Exchange process in an hour/day and what is the advantage if any of putting SendMail in front of Exchange? His last statement was that SendMail can process more mail in one minute than Exchagne can process in a day. Thanks, Sean _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
Tell him Postfix is more secure... :P Personally, I like to put another server at the edge for SMTP that is NOT Exchange when I can... As far as who's faster at processing... Who cares, can Sendmail do calendaring, public folders, etc? -Original Message- From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Good Morning All, I have a Unix/Linux admin that is just wearing me out with regards to Exchanging being 3rd rate. Given all of the variables including memory, processors, etc. How much mail traffic can Exchange process in an hour/day and what is the advantage if any of putting SendMail in front of Exchange? His last statement was that SendMail can process more mail in one minute than Exchagne can process in a day. Thanks, Sean _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Shut the fu*k up already, everyone. If anyone wants to continue this childish diatribe, take it offline. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, you certainly schooled me. You are so very witty and clever I could never hope to compete with such a superior intellect. An AOL reference? Paaaleeeze. I get along with my coworkers just fine, thanks for your concern. Value is irrelevant, hence the point about a philosophical discussion. Many times, the greatest evils are wrapped in appealing packages. And yes, I love my fans. With fans like mine, who needs detractors? Let's call it 98, but I've been out a while since Exchange was not my focal point in recent years (nor is it now, I just thought I'd smack you around a bit.) Yes I am contributing. You got that right, genius. What gave it away, the 'you've got mail' chime? As far as the philosophical issue goes, you don't seem to have a lot of supporters. Do you have co-workers? Do you get along? I bet not. And you didn't comment on the VALUE of people like Missy, Ed, CTHULU, et al versus what you bring to the table. I'm done with this. You lose, and you will always lose. Have fun with your adoring fans. began 4-5 years. Ha! That puts you at around 1999-1998. This list has been around since 1994. This is a philosophical issue about ethics that has been raging for about 8 years or so. I specifically try to avoid the subject, but certain individuals can't seem to let it go. Guilty conscious maybe? Who knows. And you are contributing to the continuation of this thread. Welcome to the party. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance. -Original Message- From: Jason Clishe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Shut the fu*k up already, everyone. If anyone wants to continue this childish diatribe, take it offline. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, you certainly schooled me. You are so very witty and clever I could never hope to compete with such a superior intellect. An AOL reference? Paaaleeeze. I get along with my coworkers just fine, thanks for your concern. Value is irrelevant, hence the point about a philosophical discussion. Many times, the greatest evils are wrapped in appealing packages. And yes, I love my fans. With fans like mine, who needs detractors? Let's call it 98, but I've been out a while since Exchange was not my focal point in recent years (nor is it now, I just thought I'd smack you around a bit.) Yes I am contributing. You got that right, genius. What gave it away, the 'you've got mail' chime? As far as the philosophical issue goes, you don't seem to have a lot of supporters. Do you have co-workers? Do you get along? I bet not. And you didn't comment on the VALUE of people like Missy, Ed, CTHULU, et al versus what you bring to the table. I'm done with this. You lose, and you will always lose. Have fun with your adoring fans. began 4-5 years. Ha! That puts you at around 1999-1998. This list has been around since 1994. This is a philosophical issue about ethics that has been raging for about 8 years or so. I specifically try to avoid the subject, but certain individuals can't seem to let it go. Guilty conscious maybe? Who knows. And you are contributing to the continuation of this thread. Welcome to the party. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Aflac!! -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance. -Original Message- From: Jason Clishe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Shut the fu*k up already, everyone. If anyone wants to continue this childish diatribe, take it offline. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, you certainly schooled me. You are so very witty and clever I could never hope to compete with such a superior intellect. An AOL reference? Paaaleeeze. I get along with my coworkers just fine, thanks for your concern. Value is irrelevant, hence the point about a philosophical discussion. Many times, the greatest evils are wrapped in appealing packages. And yes, I love my fans. With fans like mine, who needs detractors? Let's call it 98, but I've been out a while since Exchange was not my focal point in recent years (nor is it now, I just thought I'd smack you around a bit.) Yes I am contributing. You got that right, genius. What gave it away, the 'you've got mail' chime? As far as the philosophical issue goes, you don't seem to have a lot of supporters. Do you have co-workers? Do you get along? I bet not. And you didn't comment on the VALUE of people like Missy, Ed, CTHULU, et al versus what you bring to the table. I'm done with this. You lose, and you will always lose. Have fun with your adoring fans. began 4-5 years. Ha! That puts you at around 1999-1998. This list has been around since 1994. This is a philosophical issue about ethics that has been raging for about 8 years or so. I specifically try to avoid the subject, but certain individuals can't seem to let it go. Guilty conscious maybe? Who knows. And you are contributing to the continuation of this thread. Welcome to the party. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
Greg, would you please help with this discussion on SendMailYour input will be highly regardedThanks Tell him Postfix is more secure... :P Personally, I like to put another server at the edge for SMTP that is NOT Exchange when I can... As far as who's faster at processing... Who cares, can Sendmail do calendaring, public folders, etc? -Original Message- From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Good Morning All, I have a Unix/Linux admin that is just wearing me out with regards to Exchanging being 3rd rate. Given all of the variables including memory, processors, etc. How much mail traffic can Exchange process in an hour/day and what is the advantage if any of putting SendMail in front of Exchange? His last statement was that SendMail can process more mail in one minute than Exchagne can process in a day. Thanks, Sean _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I like ketchup. John Parker, MCSE IS Admin. Senior Technical Specialist Alpha Display Systems. Alpha Video 7711 Computer Ave. Edina, MN. 55435 952-896-9898 Local 800-388-0008 Watts 952-896-9899 Fax 612-804-8769 Cell 952-841-3327 Direct [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be excellent to each other ---End of Line--- -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 8:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance. -Original Message- From: Jason Clishe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Shut the fu*k up already, everyone. If anyone wants to continue this childish diatribe, take it offline. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, you certainly schooled me. You are so very witty and clever I could never hope to compete with such a superior intellect. An AOL reference? Paaaleeeze. I get along with my coworkers just fine, thanks for your concern. Value is irrelevant, hence the point about a philosophical discussion. Many times, the greatest evils are wrapped in appealing packages. And yes, I love my fans. With fans like mine, who needs detractors? Let's call it 98, but I've been out a while since Exchange was not my focal point in recent years (nor is it now, I just thought I'd smack you around a bit.) Yes I am contributing. You got that right, genius. What gave it away, the 'you've got mail' chime? As far as the philosophical issue goes, you don't seem to have a lot of supporters. Do you have co-workers? Do you get along? I bet not. And you didn't comment on the VALUE of people like Missy, Ed, CTHULU, et al versus what you bring to the table. I'm done with this. You lose, and you will always lose. Have fun with your adoring fans. began 4-5 years. Ha! That puts you at around 1999-1998. This list has been around since 1994. This is a philosophical issue about ethics that has been raging for about 8 years or so. I specifically try to avoid the subject, but certain individuals can't seem to let it go. Guilty conscious maybe? Who knows. And you are contributing to the continuation of this thread. Welcome to the party. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
and I suppose...Can't we all just get along... is next and maybe Kumbyha It's the holiday seasonim thinking Seuss a classic... -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance. -Original Message- From: Jason Clishe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Shut the fu*k up already, everyone. If anyone wants to continue this childish diatribe, take it offline. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, you certainly schooled me. You are so very witty and clever I could never hope to compete with such a superior intellect. An AOL reference? Paaaleeeze. I get along with my coworkers just fine, thanks for your concern. Value is irrelevant, hence the point about a philosophical discussion. Many times, the greatest evils are wrapped in appealing packages. And yes, I love my fans. With fans like mine, who needs detractors? Let's call it 98, but I've been out a while since Exchange was not my focal point in recent years (nor is it now, I just thought I'd smack you around a bit.) Yes I am contributing. You got that right, genius. What gave it away, the 'you've got mail' chime? As far as the philosophical issue goes, you don't seem to have a lot of supporters. Do you have co-workers? Do you get along? I bet not. And you didn't comment on the VALUE of people like Missy, Ed, CTHULU, et al versus what you bring to the table. I'm done with this. You lose, and you will always lose. Have fun with your adoring fans. began 4-5 years. Ha! That puts you at around 1999-1998. This list has been around since 1994. This is a philosophical issue about ethics that has been raging for about 8 years or so. I specifically try to avoid the subject, but certain individuals can't seem to let it go. Guilty conscious maybe? Who knows. And you are contributing to the continuation of this thread. Welcome to the party. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
Um, no, it can't. But that's a whole different story. Microsoft has some hard num bers about the speed of the IIS SMTP component in comparison to sendmail. I think they're in a whitepaper someone on the MS site. That being said, I'm not a fan of exposing Exchange directly to the Internet. If for no other reason, I like to run border virus scanning (using VirusWall from Trend Micro), which I feel runs better on Unix. Even then, these systems are in the middle of the mail flow (internal relays). We use a highly locked down[1] version of OpenBSD as inbound only relays in our DMZ (they only accept and forward mail for us - they don't send mail outbound). It's a bit overkill, but we also run a lot more mail through our systems than comparible sized companies seem to do. To answer your question, however, I've not found a case where a properly tuned Exchange server fell under load, short of an outright DOS attack or mail loop. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. [1] That seems redundant to me... -Original Message- From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Good Morning All, I have a Unix/Linux admin that is just wearing me out with regards to Exchanging being 3rd rate. Given all of the variables including memory, processors, etc. How much mail traffic can Exchange process in an hour/day and what is the advantage if any of putting SendMail in front of Exchange? His last statement was that SendMail can process more mail in one minute than Exchagne can process in a day. Thanks, Sean _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
How much mail can Exchange process? A lot. If you understand how an e-mail is handled with Exchange SMTP services, you can design the server (include memory, processor and disk layout) you can make it fly. I stress tested the IIS SMTP to see what I could get out of it. I rated the box at over 500k messages an hour before I ran out of equipment to send and receive e-mail. The gateway box wasn't stressed very hard so I don't know what the real upper limit was. I would guess somewhere in the 800k to 1m range. [1] Sendmail is overkill for 99.9% of the systems out there. Not because of speed, but because of it's complexity. With the Sendmail configuration files, I can do just about anything to an e-mail or with an e-mail that you can think of. The issue is the complexity. Most organizations don't need that kind of granularity in their configurations and want a simple potato passer for the gateway. Tell your *nix person to educate himself or have a nice warm cup... [1] I wish that Microsoft would take some of the queue utilities that Exchange gives you and allow me to add them just to IIS SMTP. Then it could be a viable gateway solution. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:18 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Tell him Postfix is more secure... :P Personally, I like to put another server at the edge for SMTP that is NOT Exchange when I can... As far as who's faster at processing... Who cares, can Sendmail do calendaring, public folders, etc? -Original Message- From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Good Morning All, I have a Unix/Linux admin that is just wearing me out with regards to Exchanging being 3rd rate. Given all of the variables including memory, processors, etc. How much mail traffic can Exchange process in an hour/day and what is the advantage if any of putting SendMail in front of Exchange? His last statement was that SendMail can process more mail in one minute than Exchagne can process in a day. Thanks, Sean _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Outlook XP - Exch 2ksp3 POP3 Login problems
Thanks, but there is no problem logging in to OWA, it's only Outlook POP3 that requests passwords and only this 1 client out of 5 who also log in using POP3. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
Well, if you're big enough to look past my views on MVP, I think I can let it slide. Many thanks for your response. And, BTW, $1200 is 25% of the budget for this project, that's a big chunk of change. P.S. And because I have been heckled to death on this issue, I feel the need to clarify because I believe you have mis-characterized my position on this. Regardless of whether or not MVP is the greatest thing since sliced bread and never, ever, in a million years caused anyone to every act unethically or fail to think for themselves, it is still compensation from a vendor and hence something that IT professionals should not engage in. It is a slippery slope and if IT is to ever achieve the status of a profession, something that will eventually have to be addressed. Andy Ps - please add appropriate grains of salt to the validity and intellectual honesty of this answer. I have been accused of being an MVP, which may have compromised my ethics and ability to think for myself. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Now THAT's funny. I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance. -Original Message- From: Jason Clishe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Shut the fu*k up already, everyone. If anyone wants to continue this childish diatribe, take it offline. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
While I am not sure that the Greg in this post was directed at me or whether this is some new form of abuse and sarcasm, it is pretty much irrelevant as I do have some things to say on this issue. The biggest problem that I have had with Exchange on the outside of the SMTP mail chain is anti-spam in a small office environment. It is not that anti-spam functionality does not exist in Exchange, but it is in its native implementation. The issue actually revolves around POP3 users. For your Exchange server to serve as the end-point for SMTP connections from anywhere, you generally have to turn on Anonymous Authentication. This allows any SMTP server to connect to yours to send email. Now, let's say you have POP3 users that might be connecting from anywhere they please on just about anyone's network. To allow these people to send email, you have to generally turn go into Relay Restrictions and turn on Allow all computers which successfully authenticate to relay... The problem with this is that Anonymous Authentication is also on, so guess what? Spammers can anonymously authenticate and relay spam, because, apparently in the Microsoft world Anonymous Authentication is just as good as any other Authentication. Oh well. And yes, you can turn this checkbox off and set up specific computers, but if they are POP3 clients connecting from anywhere, you are hosed there and if you set up this by domain, you have a whole other set of problems, not the least of which is that this forces a reverse DNS lookup. What really needs to happen with this is that Microsoft needs to simply add a checkbox that says something along the lines of Anonymous Authentication can only send inbound messages and not relay. But, I guess since I am not an MVP the likelihood of this happening is close to zero. In terms of speed, I do not have hard numbers, but if you buddy is making rash statements like you indicate, he or she does not either. Tell your buddy to show you the proof or jump off a pier. You may want to be a little more PC. I have only seen an Exchange server's SMTP mail engine under duress when a spammer was involved and we are talking ungodly amounts of messages with lots of failures and retries. In terms of having Exchange exposed to the outside world, you can secure it, put it in a DMZ and make it a front-end server. Again, the main issue I have is with anti-spam in specific situations but if you don't have to worry about POP3 users or have an extra box to point POP3 users to, then you're good to go. Finally, I will point out that *technically* you do not even need Exchange as the SMTP engine is built into Windows 2000/2003 and I have played around with using this to serve as a host to forward SMTP mail into my Exchange environment. It's been awhile since I really sat down with it, but if memory serves it worked just fine. Greg, would you please help with this discussion on SendMailYour input will be highly regardedThanks Tell him Postfix is more secure... :P Personally, I like to put another server at the edge for SMTP that is NOT Exchange when I can... As far as who's faster at processing... Who cares, can Sendmail do calendaring, public folders, etc? -Original Message- From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Good Morning All, I have a Unix/Linux admin that is just wearing me out with regards to Exchanging being 3rd rate. Given all of the variables including memory, processors, etc. How much mail traffic can Exchange process in an hour/day and what is the advantage if any of putting SendMail in front of Exchange? His last statement was that SendMail can process more mail in one minute than Exchagne can process in a day. Thanks, Sean _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
Dude, I don't know who you are but you are wrong. All SMTP servers must accept anonymous connections, otherwise no one on the Internet would be able to send mail to each other. Also Exchange perfectly understands the difference between inbound mail and a relay situation. When you restrict relay to Allow all computers which successfully authenticate to relay mail, POP3 users will still be able to send inbound mail to their colleagues within the same Exchange organization from anywhere in the world without having to use SMTP authentication. But they will not be able to send mail to someone outside of the Exchange org unless they authenticate. But who is going to go to an Internet café and configure a POP3 client? I'd rather use OWA. That thing will sure work great from any client anywhere in the world. Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov. Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail While I am not sure that the Greg in this post was directed at me or whether this is some new form of abuse and sarcasm, it is pretty much irrelevant as I do have some things to say on this issue. The biggest problem that I have had with Exchange on the outside of the SMTP mail chain is anti-spam in a small office environment. It is not that anti-spam functionality does not exist in Exchange, but it is in its native implementation. The issue actually revolves around POP3 users. For your Exchange server to serve as the end-point for SMTP connections from anywhere, you generally have to turn on Anonymous Authentication. This allows any SMTP server to connect to yours to send email. Now, let's say you have POP3 users that might be connecting from anywhere they please on just about anyone's network. To allow these people to send email, you have to generally turn go into Relay Restrictions and turn on Allow all computers which successfully authenticate to relay... The problem with this is that Anonymous Authentication is also on, so guess what? Spammers can anonymously authenticate and relay spam, because, apparently in the Microsoft world Anonymous Authentication is just as good as any other Authentication. Oh well. And yes, you can turn this checkbox off and set up specific computers, but if they are POP3 clients connecting from anywhere, you are hosed there and if you set up this by domain, you have a whole other set of problems, not the least of which is that this forces a reverse DNS lookup. What really needs to happen with this is that Microsoft needs to simply add a checkbox that says something along the lines of Anonymous Authentication can only send inbound messages and not relay. But, I guess since I am not an MVP the likelihood of this happening is close to zero. In terms of speed, I do not have hard numbers, but if you buddy is making rash statements like you indicate, he or she does not either. Tell your buddy to show you the proof or jump off a pier. You may want to be a little more PC. I have only seen an Exchange server's SMTP mail engine under duress when a spammer was involved and we are talking ungodly amounts of messages with lots of failures and retries. In terms of having Exchange exposed to the outside world, you can secure it, put it in a DMZ and make it a front-end server. Again, the main issue I have is with anti-spam in specific situations but if you don't have to worry about POP3 users or have an extra box to point POP3 users to, then you're good to go. Finally, I will point out that *technically* you do not even need Exchange as the SMTP engine is built into Windows 2000/2003 and I have played around with using this to serve as a host to forward SMTP mail into my Exchange environment. It's been awhile since I really sat down with it, but if memory serves it worked just fine. Greg, would you please help with this discussion on SendMailYour input will be highly regardedThanks Tell him Postfix is more secure... :P Personally, I like to put another server at the edge for SMTP that is NOT Exchange when I can... As far as who's faster at processing... Who cares, can Sendmail do calendaring, public folders, etc? -Original Message- From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Good Morning All, I have a Unix/Linux admin that is just wearing me out with regards to Exchanging being 3rd rate. Given all of the variables including memory, processors, etc. How much mail traffic can Exchange process in an hour/day and what is the advantage if any of putting SendMail in front of Exchange? His last statement was that SendMail can process more mail in one minute than Exchagne can process in a day. Thanks,
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
It's been a while since I've supported POP3 clients on Exchange (5.5) but, as I recall, I had no issues with anonymous relaying. I believe that Exchange 5.5 allowed anonymous SMTP inbound connections (that is, connections for mail to be delivered locally) and would allow relaying by authenticated users only. Or maybe I was just luckily that the spammers different find this server? Aaron -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail While I am not sure that the Greg in this post was directed at me or whether this is some new form of abuse and sarcasm, it is pretty much irrelevant as I do have some things to say on this issue. The biggest problem that I have had with Exchange on the outside of the SMTP mail chain is anti-spam in a small office environment. It is not that anti-spam functionality does not exist in Exchange, but it is in its native implementation. The issue actually revolves around POP3 users. For your Exchange server to serve as the end-point for SMTP connections from anywhere, you generally have to turn on Anonymous Authentication. This allows any SMTP server to connect to yours to send email. Now, let's say you have POP3 users that might be connecting from anywhere they please on just about anyone's network. To allow these people to send email, you have to generally turn go into Relay Restrictions and turn on Allow all computers which successfully authenticate to relay... The problem with this is that Anonymous Authentication is also on, so guess what? Spammers can anonymously authenticate and relay spam, because, apparently in the Microsoft world Anonymous Authentication is just as good as any other Authentication. Oh well. And yes, you can turn this checkbox off and set up specific computers, but if they are POP3 clients connecting from anywhere, you are hosed there and if you set up this by domain, you have a whole other set of problems, not the least of which is that this forces a reverse DNS lookup. What really needs to happen with this is that Microsoft needs to simply add a checkbox that says something along the lines of Anonymous Authentication can only send inbound messages and not relay. But, I guess since I am not an MVP the likelihood of this happening is close to zero. In terms of speed, I do not have hard numbers, but if you buddy is making rash statements like you indicate, he or she does not either. Tell your buddy to show you the proof or jump off a pier. You may want to be a little more PC. I have only seen an Exchange server's SMTP mail engine under duress when a spammer was involved and we are talking ungodly amounts of messages with lots of failures and retries. In terms of having Exchange exposed to the outside world, you can secure it, put it in a DMZ and make it a front-end server. Again, the main issue I have is with anti-spam in specific situations but if you don't have to worry about POP3 users or have an extra box to point POP3 users to, then you're good to go. Finally, I will point out that *technically* you do not even need Exchange as the SMTP engine is built into Windows 2000/2003 and I have played around with using this to serve as a host to forward SMTP mail into my Exchange environment. It's been awhile since I really sat down with it, but if memory serves it worked just fine. Greg, would you please help with this discussion on SendMailYour input will be highly regardedThanks Tell him Postfix is more secure... :P Personally, I like to put another server at the edge for SMTP that is NOT Exchange when I can... As far as who's faster at processing... Who cares, can Sendmail do calendaring, public folders, etc? -Original Message- From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Good Morning All, I have a Unix/Linux admin that is just wearing me out with regards to Exchanging being 3rd rate. Given all of the variables including memory, processors, etc. How much mail traffic can Exchange process in an hour/day and what is the advantage if any of putting SendMail in front of Exchange? His last statement was that SendMail can process more mail in one minute than Exchagne can process in a day. Thanks, Sean _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mo de=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface:
RE: Outlook XP - Exch 2ksp3 POP3 Login problems
I have seen this many times - Outlook XP freaks out and starts asking for password all of a sudden. Sometimes it seems to coincide with the company's change password policy (even if the specific user is set to never expire). Just change the user's password, log out, log back in and see if it helped. -Original Message- From: Crista Murphy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Outlook XP - Exch 2ksp3 POP3 Login problems Client has a laptop using XP Pro, Outlook XP and a DSL line using POP3 to my remotely located Exch2ksp3 box. About a week ago, the 'enter network password' message started coming up, even though she had not changed her password (it's set so it doesn't expire and can't be changed). Today she received the message: Task 'mail.domain.net - Sending' reported error (0x800CCC92) : 'Your e-mail server rejected your login. Verify your user name and password in your account properties. Under Tools, click E-mail accounts.' I checked support and only found a few references: one involving a pix firewall (we're not), one involving front end servers (it's not) and one that says make sure you're on the most recent service pack (it is). I'm going to try reinstalling the sp tonight, but was wondering if anyone else had experienced something similar. (I have 5 remote users set up as such. This is the only one with the problem.) Thanks! Crista _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server
:( I was the first one to mention it :( I am gonna go cry now :( -Original Message- From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:10 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Cool site. Thanks for posting, Don. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:56 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Looking good from network-tools.com as well... You might want to bookmark that site, it comes in very handy for the likes of these problems... -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:22 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server :) ok thanks for the help Our DNS is provided by our ISP, I guess I need to ring them and find out whats going on, we changed about a week ago and instructed they change our MX, I assume it should be fine by now? When I test it from here I get the new IP, so some servers are aware (and this is my home connection, which is on a different ISP to the corporate, so different DNS servers) Thanks again -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: 11 December 2003 21:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Roh roh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server I see 62.49.146.170... www.network-tools.com sees: IP address: 62.49.146.170 Host name: mailgate.partition.co.uk Alias: no-dns-yet.demon.co.uk Your DNS is outta whack -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi Don What address do you see as my MX? It should be 80.176.164.194 Thanks a lot for the help -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: 11 December 2003 18:57 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server It's not your Exchange server if your MX record points to your FW. I telnetted to your MX and the connection failed... -Original Message- From: Niki Blowfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi there Yeah, the public and private IPs/NAT are all setup as is port forwarding, has been working for ages, no idea why its stopped now I think over the weekend I'll move the Exchange Server outside the firewall and see what happens Anything I can check on the Exch server? thanks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: 11 December 2003 15:10 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server I'm assuming the external interface on the SW has a public IP and the internal interface has a private IP and you are attempting to NAT you connection. In the Sonicwall, under the advanced setting, you should have it setup under one-to-one NAT the public/private translation for your Exchange server. Then under Access have a rule to allow port 25 to that private address. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Niki Blowfield Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: SMTP mail not reaching Exchange Server Hi, Running MS Exchange Server 5.5 SP4 on Windows NT4 Single server environment, server sits on private address behind Sonicwall ProVX firewall Firewall forwards all SMTP to this server which has the IMC, has worked fine for a number of years Mail has stopped reaching mailboxes, and doesnt appear to be reaching the Exchange Server at all I would ordinarily suspect the firewall, but you can telnet to our mailserver successfully and send an email from there Our MX record points to mailgate.partition.co.uk which resolves to our Sonicwall ProVX Any ideas? I dont know a great deal about the Sonicwall I guess i could move the NT server temporarily to outside the firewall and give it the address of mailgate.partition.co.uk to see if i can eliminate the firewall Thanks Nik _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Duplicate (or more) meeting requests
Greetings, We recently migrated to Outlook 2002. Some users are seeing a problem when they receive a meeting request, a tentative meeting is added to their calendar. Upon accepting the meeting a second entry is added for the same meeting. Has anyone else seen this problem? Thanks much! K _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
Yes, you were lucky. I have seen this exact scenario happen a couple times now. Fydora or whoever apparently did not understand this scenario but it is a fairly common scenario in small office environments with people on the road connecting their laptops to hotel networks and the like. Yes, OWA is available, but there are lots of people in this world that are always going to hate something like OWA. OWA in 2003 is pretty sweet, I must say, but there will always be people that don't like. It's been a while since I've supported POP3 clients on Exchange (5.5) but, as I recall, I had no issues with anonymous relaying. I believe that Exchange 5.5 allowed anonymous SMTP inbound connections (that is, connections for mail to be delivered locally) and would allow relaying by authenticated users only. Or maybe I was just luckily that the spammers different find this server? Aaron -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail While I am not sure that the Greg in this post was directed at me or whether this is some new form of abuse and sarcasm, it is pretty much irrelevant as I do have some things to say on this issue. The biggest problem that I have had with Exchange on the outside of the SMTP mail chain is anti-spam in a small office environment. It is not that anti-spam functionality does not exist in Exchange, but it is in its native implementation. The issue actually revolves around POP3 users. For your Exchange server to serve as the end-point for SMTP connections from anywhere, you generally have to turn on Anonymous Authentication. This allows any SMTP server to connect to yours to send email. Now, let's say you have POP3 users that might be connecting from anywhere they please on just about anyone's network. To allow these people to send email, you have to generally turn go into Relay Restrictions and turn on Allow all computers which successfully authenticate to relay... The problem with this is that Anonymous Authentication is also on, so guess what? Spammers can anonymously authenticate and relay spam, because, apparently in the Microsoft world Anonymous Authentication is just as good as any other Authentication. Oh well. And yes, you can turn this checkbox off and set up specific computers, but if they are POP3 clients connecting from anywhere, you are hosed there and if you set up this by domain, you have a whole other set of problems, not the least of which is that this forces a reverse DNS lookup. What really needs to happen with this is that Microsoft needs to simply add a checkbox that says something along the lines of Anonymous Authentication can only send inbound messages and not relay. But, I guess since I am not an MVP the likelihood of this happening is close to zero. In terms of speed, I do not have hard numbers, but if you buddy is making rash statements like you indicate, he or she does not either. Tell your buddy to show you the proof or jump off a pier. You may want to be a little more PC. I have only seen an Exchange server's SMTP mail engine under duress when a spammer was involved and we are talking ungodly amounts of messages with lots of failures and retries. In terms of having Exchange exposed to the outside world, you can secure it, put it in a DMZ and make it a front-end server. Again, the main issue I have is with anti-spam in specific situations but if you don't have to worry about POP3 users or have an extra box to point POP3 users to, then you're good to go. Finally, I will point out that *technically* you do not even need Exchange as the SMTP engine is built into Windows 2000/2003 and I have played around with using this to serve as a host to forward SMTP mail into my Exchange environment. It's been awhile since I really sat down with it, but if memory serves it worked just fine. Greg, would you please help with this discussion on SendMailYour input will be highly regardedThanks Tell him Postfix is more secure... :P Personally, I like to put another server at the edge for SMTP that is NOT Exchange when I can... As far as who's faster at processing... Who cares, can Sendmail do calendaring, public folders, etc? -Original Message- From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Good Morning All, I have a Unix/Linux admin that is just wearing me out with regards to Exchanging being 3rd rate. Given all of the variables including memory, processors, etc. How much mail traffic can Exchange process in an hour/day and what is the advantage if any of putting SendMail in front of Exchange? His last statement was that SendMail can process more mail in one
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
Urg to kill...rising... Dude, you apparently don't understand what I am talking about. Urg to kill...fading...rising!...fading... Dude, I don't know who you are but you are wrong. All SMTP servers must accept anonymous connections, otherwise no one on = the Internet would be able to send mail to each other. Also Exchange perfectly understands the difference between inbound mail = and a relay situation. When you restrict relay to Allow all computers = which successfully authenticate to relay mail, POP3 users will still be = able to send inbound mail to their colleagues within the same Exchange = organization from anywhere in the world without having to use SMTP = authentication. But they will not be able to send mail to someone = outside of the Exchange org unless they authenticate. But who is going to go to an Internet caf=E9 and configure a POP3 = client? I'd rather use OWA. That thing will sure work great from any client = anywhere in the world. Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov. Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail While I am not sure that the Greg in this post was directed at me or whether this is some new form of abuse and sarcasm, it is pretty much irrelevant as I do have some things to say on this issue. The biggest problem that I have had with Exchange on the outside of the SMTP mail chain is anti-spam in a small office environment. It is not = that anti-spam functionality does not exist in Exchange, but it is in its native implementation. The issue actually revolves around POP3 users. = For your Exchange server to serve as the end-point for SMTP connections from anywhere, you generally have to turn on Anonymous Authentication. This allows any SMTP server to connect to yours to send email. Now, let's say you have POP3 users that might be connecting from anywhere they please = on just about anyone's network. To allow these people to send email, you = have to generally turn go into Relay Restrictions and turn on Allow all computers which successfully authenticate to relay... The problem with this is that Anonymous Authentication is also on, so guess what? = Spammers can anonymously authenticate and relay spam, because, apparently in the Microsoft world Anonymous Authentication is just as good as any other Authentication. Oh well. And yes, you can turn this checkbox off and set up specific computers, but if they are POP3 clients connecting from anywhere, you are hosed there and if you set up this by domain, you have = a whole other set of problems, not the least of which is that this forces = a reverse DNS lookup. What really needs to happen with this is that Microsoft needs to simply add a checkbox that says something along the lines of Anonymous Authentication can only send inbound messages and not relay. But, I = guess since I am not an MVP the likelihood of this happening is close to zero. In terms of speed, I do not have hard numbers, but if you buddy is = making rash statements like you indicate, he or she does not either. Tell your buddy to show you the proof or jump off a pier. You may want to be a little more PC. I have only seen an Exchange server's SMTP mail engine under duress when a spammer was involved and we are talking ungodly amounts of messages with lots of failures and retries. In terms of having Exchange exposed to the outside world, you can secure it, put it in a DMZ and make it a front-end server. Again, the main = issue I have is with anti-spam in specific situations but if you don't have to worry about POP3 users or have an extra box to point POP3 users to, then you're good to go. Finally, I will point out that *technically* you do not even need = Exchange as the SMTP engine is built into Windows 2000/2003 and I have played around with using this to serve as a host to forward SMTP mail into my Exchange environment. It's been awhile since I really sat down with it, but if memory serves it worked just fine. Greg, would you please help with this discussion on SendMailYour = input will be highly regardedThanks =20 Tell him Postfix is more secure... :P =20 Personally, I like to put another server at the edge for SMTP that = is NOT Exchange when I can... =20 As far as who's faster at processing... Who cares, can Sendmail do calendaring, public folders, etc?=20 =20 -Original Message- From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail =20 Good Morning All, =20 I have a Unix/Linux admin that is just wearing me out with regards = to Exchanging being 3rd rate. Given all of the variables
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
OK, since it is Friday, I declare that further followups to this thread be done in Haiku! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 10:05 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Now THAT's funny. I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance. -Original Message- From: Jason Clishe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Shut the fu*k up already, everyone. If anyone wants to continue this childish diatribe, take it offline. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
That is not funny Haiku is for more than that I think I need beer -Original Message- From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 10:06 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 OK, since it is Friday, I declare that further followups to this thread be done in Haiku! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 10:05 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Now THAT's funny. I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance. -Original Message- From: Jason Clishe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Shut the fu*k up already, everyone. If anyone wants to continue this childish diatribe, take it offline. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
Hey there always will be people that don't like POP3. I perfectly understand how Exchange works by the way. I also perfectly understand SMTP. Believe me, most SMTP servers out there (Exchange, iMAIL, SendMail, etc.) accept Anonymous connections. It does not meant that they relay mail for Anonymous connections. Also trust me, unless you have misconfigured something on your Exchange server, Exchange will not relay mail from an anonymous source. But it will accept ***inbound*** mail from an anonymous source because that's what it is supposed to do, being an RFC compliant SMTP server et all. Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Yes, you were lucky. I have seen this exact scenario happen a couple times now. Fydora or whoever apparently did not understand this scenario but it is a fairly common scenario in small office environments with people on the road connecting their laptops to hotel networks and the like. Yes, OWA is available, but there are lots of people in this world that are always going to hate something like OWA. OWA in 2003 is pretty sweet, I must say, but there will always be people that don't like. It's been a while since I've supported POP3 clients on Exchange (5.5) but, as I recall, I had no issues with anonymous relaying. I believe that Exchange 5.5 allowed anonymous SMTP inbound connections (that is, connections for mail to be delivered locally) and would allow relaying by authenticated users only. Or maybe I was just luckily that the spammers different find this server? Aaron -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail While I am not sure that the Greg in this post was directed at me or whether this is some new form of abuse and sarcasm, it is pretty much irrelevant as I do have some things to say on this issue. The biggest problem that I have had with Exchange on the outside of the SMTP mail chain is anti-spam in a small office environment. It is not that anti-spam functionality does not exist in Exchange, but it is in its native implementation. The issue actually revolves around POP3 users. For your Exchange server to serve as the end-point for SMTP connections from anywhere, you generally have to turn on Anonymous Authentication. This allows any SMTP server to connect to yours to send email. Now, let's say you have POP3 users that might be connecting from anywhere they please on just about anyone's network. To allow these people to send email, you have to generally turn go into Relay Restrictions and turn on Allow all computers which successfully authenticate to relay... The problem with this is that Anonymous Authentication is also on, so guess what? Spammers can anonymously authenticate and relay spam, because, apparently in the Microsoft world Anonymous Authentication is just as good as any other Authentication. Oh well. And yes, you can turn this checkbox off and set up specific computers, but if they are POP3 clients connecting from anywhere, you are hosed there and if you set up this by domain, you have a whole other set of problems, not the least of which is that this forces a reverse DNS lookup. What really needs to happen with this is that Microsoft needs to simply add a checkbox that says something along the lines of Anonymous Authentication can only send inbound messages and not relay. But, I guess since I am not an MVP the likelihood of this happening is close to zero. In terms of speed, I do not have hard numbers, but if you buddy is making rash statements like you indicate, he or she does not either. Tell your buddy to show you the proof or jump off a pier. You may want to be a little more PC. I have only seen an Exchange server's SMTP mail engine under duress when a spammer was involved and we are talking ungodly amounts of messages with lots of failures and retries. In terms of having Exchange exposed to the outside world, you can secure it, put it in a DMZ and make it a front-end server. Again, the main issue I have is with anti-spam in specific situations but if you don't have to worry about POP3 users or have an extra box to point POP3 users to, then you're good to go. Finally, I will point out that *technically* you do not even need Exchange as the SMTP engine is built into Windows 2000/2003 and I have played around with using this to serve as a host to forward SMTP mail into my Exchange environment. It's been awhile since I really sat down with it, but if memory serves it worked just fine. Greg, would you please help with this discussion on SendMailYour input will be highly
Re: XCH 2k3 public folders in mixed site
you only see the TLF. You cannot expand to see any underneath. - Original Message - From: Ed Crowley [MVP] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:46 PM Subject: RE: XCH 2k3 public folders in mixed site Please explan what you mean by cannot see. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris H Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: XCH 2k3 public folders in mixed site I have all my PF's homed on an Exchange 5.5 server in the same site as my first Exchange 2003 server. I have added the ADC for PF and replicated all PF's to the Exchange 2003 server as well. However, any mailbox moved to the Exchange 2003 server cannot see the Public Folders. I have modified the root PF permissions for Default -- Review and then we can see the root and then nothing else. Question is: if I modify all the permissions on the replicas on the XCH2003 server will the ADC then push them back to replicas on the XCH 5.5 server(s) and screw them up? Chris _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
Well, I'll believe my own eyes. I've seen it happen. Don't come cryin' to me when you get nailed by the spammers. Hey there always will be people that don't like POP3. I perfectly understand how Exchange works by the way. I also perfectly understand SMTP. Believe me, most SMTP servers out there (Exchange, iMAIL, SendMail, etc.) accept Anonymous connections. It does not meant that they relay mail for Anonymous connections. Also trust me, unless you have misconfigured something on your Exchange server, Exchange will not relay mail from an anonymous source. But it will accept ***inbound*** mail from an anonymous source because that's what it is supposed to do, being an RFC compliant SMTP server et all. Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Yes, you were lucky. I have seen this exact scenario happen a couple times now. Fydora or whoever apparently did not understand this scenario but it is a fairly common scenario in small office environments with people on the road connecting their laptops to hotel networks and the like. Yes, OWA is available, but there are lots of people in this world that are always going to hate something like OWA. OWA in 2003 is pretty sweet, I must say, but there will always be people that don't like. It's been a while since I've supported POP3 clients on Exchange (5.5) but, as I recall, I had no issues with anonymous relaying. I believe that Exchange 5.5 allowed anonymous SMTP inbound connections (that is, connections for mail to be delivered locally) and would allow relaying by authenticated users only. =20 Or maybe I was just luckily that the spammers different find this server? =20 Aaron =20 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail =20 =20 While I am not sure that the Greg in this post was directed at me or whether this is some new form of abuse and sarcasm, it is pretty much irrelevant as I do have some things to say on this issue. =20 The biggest problem that I have had with Exchange on the outside of the SMTP mail chain is anti-spam in a small office environment. It is not that anti-spam functionality does not exist in Exchange, but it is in its native implementation. The issue actually revolves around POP3 users. For your Exchange server to serve as the end-point for SMTP connections from anywhere, you generally have to turn on Anonymous Authentication. This allows any SMTP server to connect to yours to send email. Now, let's say you have POP3 users that might be connecting from anywhere they please on just about anyone's network. To allow these people to send email, you have to generally turn go into Relay Restrictions and turn on Allow all computers which successfully authenticate to relay... The problem with this is that Anonymous Authentication is also on, so guess what? Spammers can anonymously authenticate and relay spam, because, apparently in the Microsoft world Anonymous Authentication is just as good as any other Authentication. Oh well. And yes, you can turn this checkbox off and set up specific computers, but if they are POP3 clients connecting from anywhere, you are hosed there and if you set up this by domain, you have a whole other set of problems, not the least of which is that this forces a reverse DNS lookup. =20 What really needs to happen with this is that Microsoft needs to simply add a checkbox that says something along the lines of Anonymous Authentication can only send inbound messages and not relay. But, I guess since I am not an MVP the likelihood of this happening is close to zero. =20 In terms of speed, I do not have hard numbers, but if you buddy is making rash statements like you indicate, he or she does not either. Tell your buddy to show you the proof or jump off a pier. You may want to be a little more PC. I have only seen an Exchange server's SMTP mail engine under duress when a spammer was involved and we are talking ungodly amounts of messages with lots of failures and retries. =20 In terms of having Exchange exposed to the outside world, you can secure it, put it in a DMZ and make it a front-end server. Again, the main issue I have is with anti-spam in specific situations but if you don't have to worry about POP3 users or have an extra box to point POP3 users to, then you're good to go. =20 Finally, I will point out that *technically* you do not even need Exchange as the SMTP engine is built into Windows 2000/2003 and I have played around with using this to serve
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
I won't have any need to cry. My relays are tight. Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Well, I'll believe my own eyes. I've seen it happen. Don't come cryin' to me when you get nailed by the spammers. Hey there always will be people that don't like POP3. I perfectly understand how Exchange works by the way. I also perfectly understand SMTP. Believe me, most SMTP servers out there (Exchange, iMAIL, SendMail, etc.) accept Anonymous connections. It does not meant that they relay mail for Anonymous connections. Also trust me, unless you have misconfigured something on your Exchange server, Exchange will not relay mail from an anonymous source. But it will accept ***inbound*** mail from an anonymous source because that's what it is supposed to do, being an RFC compliant SMTP server et all. Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Yes, you were lucky. I have seen this exact scenario happen a couple times now. Fydora or whoever apparently did not understand this scenario but it is a fairly common scenario in small office environments with people on the road connecting their laptops to hotel networks and the like. Yes, OWA is available, but there are lots of people in this world that are always going to hate something like OWA. OWA in 2003 is pretty sweet, I must say, but there will always be people that don't like. It's been a while since I've supported POP3 clients on Exchange (5.5) but, as I recall, I had no issues with anonymous relaying. I believe that Exchange 5.5 allowed anonymous SMTP inbound connections (that is, connections for mail to be delivered locally) and would allow relaying by authenticated users only. =20 Or maybe I was just luckily that the spammers different find this server? =20 Aaron =20 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail =20 =20 While I am not sure that the Greg in this post was directed at me or whether this is some new form of abuse and sarcasm, it is pretty much irrelevant as I do have some things to say on this issue. =20 The biggest problem that I have had with Exchange on the outside of the SMTP mail chain is anti-spam in a small office environment. It is not that anti-spam functionality does not exist in Exchange, but it is in its native implementation. The issue actually revolves around POP3 users. For your Exchange server to serve as the end-point for SMTP connections from anywhere, you generally have to turn on Anonymous Authentication. This allows any SMTP server to connect to yours to send email. Now, let's say you have POP3 users that might be connecting from anywhere they please on just about anyone's network. To allow these people to send email, you have to generally turn go into Relay Restrictions and turn on Allow all computers which successfully authenticate to relay... The problem with this is that Anonymous Authentication is also on, so guess what? Spammers can anonymously authenticate and relay spam, because, apparently in the Microsoft world Anonymous Authentication is just as good as any other Authentication. Oh well. And yes, you can turn this checkbox off and set up specific computers, but if they are POP3 clients connecting from anywhere, you are hosed there and if you set up this by domain, you have a whole other set of problems, not the least of which is that this forces a reverse DNS lookup. =20 What really needs to happen with this is that Microsoft needs to simply add a checkbox that says something along the lines of Anonymous Authentication can only send inbound messages and not relay. But, I guess since I am not an MVP the likelihood of this happening is close to zero. =20 In terms of speed, I do not have hard numbers, but if you buddy is making rash statements like you indicate, he or she does not either. Tell your buddy to show you the proof or jump off a pier. You may want to be a little more PC. I have only seen an Exchange server's SMTP mail engine under duress when a spammer was involved and we are talking ungodly amounts of messages with lots of failures and retries. =20 In terms of having Exchange exposed to the outside world, you can secure it, put it in a DMZ and make it a front-end server. Again, the main issue I have is with
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
I thing Greg is saying that a POP3/SMTP user can't send mail OUTSIDE the organization without relaying (with authentication) turned on. Which is another good reason to NOT expose Exchange SMTP to the outside world. It is now apparently common knowledge among spammers that Exchange defaults to allowing authenticated relaying. If you have this box checked (Q310380 Q321825 advises to turn it on), then you are opening up your domain accounts to dictionary attacks. Even if it isn't turned on, spammers will STILL try when their scan shows your SMTP host is Exchange, eating up your bandwidth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fyodorov, Andrey Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Hey there always will be people that don't like POP3. I perfectly understand how Exchange works by the way. I also perfectly understand SMTP. Believe me, most SMTP servers out there (Exchange, iMAIL, SendMail, etc.) accept Anonymous connections. It does not meant that they relay mail for Anonymous connections. Also trust me, unless you have misconfigured something on your Exchange server, Exchange will not relay mail from an anonymous source. But it will accept ***inbound*** mail from an anonymous source because that's what it is supposed to do, being an RFC compliant SMTP server et all. Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Yes, you were lucky. I have seen this exact scenario happen a couple times now. Fydora or whoever apparently did not understand this scenario but it is a fairly common scenario in small office environments with people on the road connecting their laptops to hotel networks and the like. Yes, OWA is available, but there are lots of people in this world that are always going to hate something like OWA. OWA in 2003 is pretty sweet, I must say, but there will always be people that don't like. It's been a while since I've supported POP3 clients on Exchange (5.5) but, as I recall, I had no issues with anonymous relaying. I believe that Exchange 5.5 allowed anonymous SMTP inbound connections (that is, connections for mail to be delivered locally) and would allow relaying by authenticated users only. Or maybe I was just luckily that the spammers different find this server? Aaron -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail While I am not sure that the Greg in this post was directed at me or whether this is some new form of abuse and sarcasm, it is pretty much irrelevant as I do have some things to say on this issue. The biggest problem that I have had with Exchange on the outside of the SMTP mail chain is anti-spam in a small office environment. It is not that anti-spam functionality does not exist in Exchange, but it is in its native implementation. The issue actually revolves around POP3 users. For your Exchange server to serve as the end-point for SMTP connections from anywhere, you generally have to turn on Anonymous Authentication. This allows any SMTP server to connect to yours to send email. Now, let's say you have POP3 users that might be connecting from anywhere they please on just about anyone's network. To allow these people to send email, you have to generally turn go into Relay Restrictions and turn on Allow all computers which successfully authenticate to relay... The problem with this is that Anonymous Authentication is also on, so guess what? Spammers can anonymously authenticate and relay spam, because, apparently in the Microsoft world Anonymous Authentication is just as good as any other Authentication. Oh well. And yes, you can turn this checkbox off and set up specific computers, but if they are POP3 clients connecting from anywhere, you are hosed there and if you set up this by domain, you have a whole other set of problems, not the least of which is that this forces a reverse DNS lookup. What really needs to happen with this is that Microsoft needs to simply add a checkbox that says something along the lines of Anonymous Authentication can only send inbound messages and not relay. But, I guess since I am not an MVP the likelihood of this happening is close to zero. In terms of speed, I do not have hard numbers, but if you buddy is making rash statements like you indicate, he or she does not either. Tell your buddy to show you the proof or jump off a pier. You may want to be a little more PC. I have only seen an Exchange server's SMTP mail engine under duress when a spammer was involved and we are
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Tears freeze as they fall. A saint upon a high horse, Is tall but smells bad. -Original Message- From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 December 2003 17:06 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 OK, since it is Friday, I declare that further followups to this thread be done in Haiku! The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
That's obviously absurd - Sendmail probably does process more mail than Exchange on similar hardware but that's pretty much all sendmail does. It doesn't provide the additional features that Exchange has out of the box particularly if you are an Active Directory shop. Besides, what difference does it make as long as whatever platform you choose handles the volume of mail you need it to? The apparent advantage of sendmail is price - if you run it on Linux. If you put it in front of Exchange, that goes out the window anyway... Also, the administration involved compared to Exchange is very high even if you do have Unix\Linux admins on staff - that gets worse the more features you add like a web interface calendaring, whatever Public Folders equivalent there might be, etc. If you are an AD shop, it's really a no-brainer - have you ever tried to create an AD account with a sendmail mailbox with the same logon and permissions at the same time? Does this guy just hate Bill Gates like most of the folks I've met who make statements like that or does he just think he needs to know nothing about Exchange yet still draw comparisons? Jeff Hague MCSE Network Manager Randolph-Macon College Ashland, VA -Original Message- From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Good Morning All, I have a Unix/Linux admin that is just wearing me out with regards to Exchanging being 3rd rate. Given all of the variables including memory, processors, etc. How much mail traffic can Exchange process in an hour/day and what is the advantage if any of putting SendMail in front of Exchange? His last statement was that SendMail can process more mail in one minute than Exchagne can process in a day. Thanks, Sean _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
We have a sendmail box out in front of our exchange org purely for spam filtering. We are running PureMessage on Slackware 9. -Original Message- From: Hague, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail That's obviously absurd - Sendmail probably does process more mail than Exchange on similar hardware but that's pretty much all sendmail does. It doesn't provide the additional features that Exchange has out of the box particularly if you are an Active Directory shop. Besides, what difference does it make as long as whatever platform you choose handles the volume of mail you need it to? The apparent advantage of sendmail is price - if you run it on Linux. If you put it in front of Exchange, that goes out the window anyway... Also, the administration involved compared to Exchange is very high even if you do have Unix\Linux admins on staff - that gets worse the more features you add like a web interface calendaring, whatever Public Folders equivalent there might be, etc. If you are an AD shop, it's really a no-brainer - have you ever tried to create an AD account with a sendmail mailbox with the same logon and permissions at the same time? Does this guy just hate Bill Gates like most of the folks I've met who make statements like that or does he just think he needs to know nothing about Exchange yet still draw comparisons? Jeff Hague MCSE Network Manager Randolph-Macon College Ashland, VA -Original Message- From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Good Morning All, I have a Unix/Linux admin that is just wearing me out with regards to Exchanging being 3rd rate. Given all of the variables including memory, processors, etc. How much mail traffic can Exchange process in an hour/day and what is the advantage if any of putting SendMail in front of Exchange? His last statement was that SendMail can process more mail in one minute than Exchagne can process in a day. Thanks, Sean _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
Same thing with Imail. In its tightest configuration, one must authenticate in order to send mail from a POP3/SMTP client to an external address. No need to authenticate to send mail to someone on the same Imail server. Imail has other ways to control relay permissions but they are inferior (like accept mail for relay if the sender's domain name matches an internal domain name and other easy-to-guess crap like that) One thing I am 100% positive about is that Exchange does not allow anonymous relay. Guessing someone's password is a different story and is not an Anonymous issue anymore. Dictionary attack to guess a valid user's password - well, that could be done against any SMTP server I guess, probably even SendMail. No? Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail I thing Greg is saying that a POP3/SMTP user can't send mail OUTSIDE the organization without relaying (with authentication) turned on. Which is another good reason to NOT expose Exchange SMTP to the outside world. It is now apparently common knowledge among spammers that Exchange defaults to allowing authenticated relaying. If you have this box checked (Q310380 Q321825 advises to turn it on), then you are opening up your domain accounts to dictionary attacks. Even if it isn't turned on, spammers will STILL try when their scan shows your SMTP host is Exchange, eating up your bandwidth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fyodorov, Andrey Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Hey there always will be people that don't like POP3. I perfectly understand how Exchange works by the way. I also perfectly understand SMTP. Believe me, most SMTP servers out there (Exchange, iMAIL, SendMail, etc.) accept Anonymous connections. It does not meant that they relay mail for Anonymous connections. Also trust me, unless you have misconfigured something on your Exchange server, Exchange will not relay mail from an anonymous source. But it will accept ***inbound*** mail from an anonymous source because that's what it is supposed to do, being an RFC compliant SMTP server et all. Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Yes, you were lucky. I have seen this exact scenario happen a couple times now. Fydora or whoever apparently did not understand this scenario but it is a fairly common scenario in small office environments with people on the road connecting their laptops to hotel networks and the like. Yes, OWA is available, but there are lots of people in this world that are always going to hate something like OWA. OWA in 2003 is pretty sweet, I must say, but there will always be people that don't like. It's been a while since I've supported POP3 clients on Exchange (5.5) but, as I recall, I had no issues with anonymous relaying. I believe that Exchange 5.5 allowed anonymous SMTP inbound connections (that is, connections for mail to be delivered locally) and would allow relaying by authenticated users only. Or maybe I was just luckily that the spammers different find this server? Aaron -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail While I am not sure that the Greg in this post was directed at me or whether this is some new form of abuse and sarcasm, it is pretty much irrelevant as I do have some things to say on this issue. The biggest problem that I have had with Exchange on the outside of the SMTP mail chain is anti-spam in a small office environment. It is not that anti-spam functionality does not exist in Exchange, but it is in its native implementation. The issue actually revolves around POP3 users. For your Exchange server to serve as the end-point for SMTP connections from anywhere, you generally have to turn on Anonymous Authentication. This allows any SMTP server to connect to yours to send email. Now, let's say you have POP3 users that might be connecting from anywhere they please on just about anyone's network. To allow these people to send email, you have to generally turn go into Relay Restrictions and turn on Allow all computers which successfully authenticate to relay... The problem with this is that Anonymous Authentication is also on, so guess what? Spammers can anonymously authenticate and relay spam, because, apparently
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
Hi, We moved over the Qmail after having to upgrade and secure our Sendmail servers after a few times. I have always been a believer in placing an MTA as a bridgehead in front of Exchange. On the other hand, I think its entirely possible to manage an Exchange server with 25 open to the Internet. You just have to pro-activly manage it, which is what you are supposed to do with any system. Anyway, just my two cents but I think Sendmail is old school. Qmail and Postfix are much better. Thanks, Erik L. Vesneski Intel Lead - WCDC/ISO www.pmigroup.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Same thing with Imail. In its tightest configuration, one must authenticate in order to send mail from a POP3/SMTP client to an external address. No need to authenticate to send mail to someone on the same Imail server. Imail has other ways to control relay permissions but they are inferior (like accept mail for relay if the sender's domain name matches an internal domain name and other easy-to-guess crap like that) One thing I am 100% positive about is that Exchange does not allow anonymous relay. Guessing someone's password is a different story and is not an Anonymous issue anymore. Dictionary attack to guess a valid user's password - well, that could be done against any SMTP server I guess, probably even SendMail. No? Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail I thing Greg is saying that a POP3/SMTP user can't send mail OUTSIDE the organization without relaying (with authentication) turned on. Which is another good reason to NOT expose Exchange SMTP to the outside world. It is now apparently common knowledge among spammers that Exchange defaults to allowing authenticated relaying. If you have this box checked (Q310380 Q321825 advises to turn it on), then you are opening up your domain accounts to dictionary attacks. Even if it isn't turned on, spammers will STILL try when their scan shows your SMTP host is Exchange, eating up your bandwidth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fyodorov, Andrey Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Hey there always will be people that don't like POP3. I perfectly understand how Exchange works by the way. I also perfectly understand SMTP. Believe me, most SMTP servers out there (Exchange, iMAIL, SendMail, etc.) accept Anonymous connections. It does not meant that they relay mail for Anonymous connections. Also trust me, unless you have misconfigured something on your Exchange server, Exchange will not relay mail from an anonymous source. But it will accept ***inbound*** mail from an anonymous source because that's what it is supposed to do, being an RFC compliant SMTP server et all. Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Yes, you were lucky. I have seen this exact scenario happen a couple times now. Fydora or whoever apparently did not understand this scenario but it is a fairly common scenario in small office environments with people on the road connecting their laptops to hotel networks and the like. Yes, OWA is available, but there are lots of people in this world that are always going to hate something like OWA. OWA in 2003 is pretty sweet, I must say, but there will always be people that don't like. It's been a while since I've supported POP3 clients on Exchange (5.5) but, as I recall, I had no issues with anonymous relaying. I believe that Exchange 5.5 allowed anonymous SMTP inbound connections (that is, connections for mail to be delivered locally) and would allow relaying by authenticated users only. Or maybe I was just luckily that the spammers different find this server? Aaron -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail While I am not sure that the Greg in this post was directed at me or whether this is some new form of abuse and sarcasm, it is pretty much irrelevant as I do have some things to say on this issue. The biggest problem that I have had with Exchange on the outside of the SMTP mail chain is anti-spam in a small office environment. It is not that anti-spam
Server-based autoresponder for exchange 2000
Hi, We want to send an automatic response to the sender when an email is sent to the support mail ID of our company. I am interested in implementing a server based autoresponder for exchange 2000. So far, I've only seen products that run on Outlook. If you know of any server-based products that do this, or if there is a more ingenious way to do this, please let me know. Thanks in advance for all the help. Thanks and have a great day! Vivek Singh IT Manager Confluent Software, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (408)530-2122 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
It always passed the relay tests that I threw at the though. This was a simple environment and no other relaying was allowed. I suspect that the systems you have worked on had some other reason for relaying besides that ones you mentioned. Aaron -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Yes, you were lucky. I have seen this exact scenario happen a couple times now. Fydora or whoever apparently did not understand this scenario but it is a fairly common scenario in small office environments with people on the road connecting their laptops to hotel networks and the like. Yes, OWA is available, but there are lots of people in this world that are always going to hate something like OWA. OWA in 2003 is pretty sweet, I must say, but there will always be people that don't like. It's been a while since I've supported POP3 clients on Exchange (5.5) but, as I recall, I had no issues with anonymous relaying. I believe that Exchange 5.5 allowed anonymous SMTP inbound connections (that is, connections for mail to be delivered locally) and would allow relaying by authenticated users only. Or maybe I was just luckily that the spammers different find this server? Aaron -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail While I am not sure that the Greg in this post was directed at me or whether this is some new form of abuse and sarcasm, it is pretty much irrelevant as I do have some things to say on this issue. The biggest problem that I have had with Exchange on the outside of the SMTP mail chain is anti-spam in a small office environment. It is not that anti-spam functionality does not exist in Exchange, but it is in its native implementation. The issue actually revolves around POP3 users. For your Exchange server to serve as the end-point for SMTP connections from anywhere, you generally have to turn on Anonymous Authentication. This allows any SMTP server to connect to yours to send email. Now, let's say you have POP3 users that might be connecting from anywhere they please on just about anyone's network. To allow these people to send email, you have to generally turn go into Relay Restrictions and turn on Allow all computers which successfully authenticate to relay... The problem with this is that Anonymous Authentication is also on, so guess what? Spammers can anonymously authenticate and relay spam, because, apparently in the Microsoft world Anonymous Authentication is just as good as any other Authentication. Oh well. And yes, you can turn this checkbox off and set up specific computers, but if they are POP3 clients connecting from anywhere, you are hosed there and if you set up this by domain, you have a whole other set of problems, not the least of which is that this forces a reverse DNS lookup. What really needs to happen with this is that Microsoft needs to simply add a checkbox that says something along the lines of Anonymous Authentication can only send inbound messages and not relay. But, I guess since I am not an MVP the likelihood of this happening is close to zero. In terms of speed, I do not have hard numbers, but if you buddy is making rash statements like you indicate, he or she does not either. Tell your buddy to show you the proof or jump off a pier. You may want to be a little more PC. I have only seen an Exchange server's SMTP mail engine under duress when a spammer was involved and we are talking ungodly amounts of messages with lots of failures and retries. In terms of having Exchange exposed to the outside world, you can secure it, put it in a DMZ and make it a front-end server. Again, the main issue I have is with anti-spam in specific situations but if you don't have to worry about POP3 users or have an extra box to point POP3 users to, then you're good to go. Finally, I will point out that *technically* you do not even need Exchange as the SMTP engine is built into Windows 2000/2003 and I have played around with using this to serve as a host to forward SMTP mail into my Exchange environment. It's been awhile since I really sat down with it, but if memory serves it worked just fine. Greg, would you please help with this discussion on SendMailYour input will be highly regardedThanks Tell him Postfix is more secure... :P Personally, I like to put another server at the edge for SMTP that is NOT Exchange when I can... As far as who's faster at processing... Who cares, can Sendmail do calendaring, public folders, etc? -Original Message- From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:20 AM
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
No, you can make a statement as a fact or as an opinion. It is how you quantify the statement that sets the distinction. Starting a sentence as I think that MVPs are unethical is different than saying, MVPs ARE unethical. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Of course, everything I say is my opinion. That's how it works. You mean to say that in your opinion you are right. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 5:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I didn't bring the subject up. You did. And I am still right regardless of how people wish to justify it in their own minds. Why should WE look it up, i.e., check out other professions? YOU are the one making the irrational assertions. You have stated your arguments many times, and you have repeatedly been shot down based upon their superficiality. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:25 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I did not say what you say I said. What I said was that, in my opinion, accepting honorary titles from vendors is a conflict of interest and something that should be avoided by those who are, or; technically, consider themselves, professional IT people. That is my opinion. And this is not just my opinion, check out other professions and their views on accepting honorary titles. Go educate yourself on the subject matter. Now, the other thing that you are incorrect in is that I did not bring this subject up. This subject came up years and years ago back around 1996/1997 during normal list discussions. It is not like I just started blasting people out of the blue. However, it seems that every time I post to this list somebody is still holding a grudge from 1996/1997 and brings this subject up. Once it is brought up, I will state my opinion and defend it. Money is simply the physical manifestation of ego and thus there is no difference between the two. I hold myself to my own professional code of conduct. I have no idea if it is better or different or longer than anyone else's. It is mine and that is all I know. No, You are wrong. Explain to me how you can tell someone that they are unethical AND not expect it to be taken as an insult. You feel justified in your position and that is fine. When you come into a public forum and say that anyone who is an MVP is unethical, you cannot expect MVPs to take it any other way than an insult. By making your opinions as a statement, you have committed catagorical slander on a group of people YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW. If you had said that you disagree with vendor recognition, but that MVPs do a lot of good for the Microsoft community (this discussion list being a prime example), then you would be airing your opinion with out discrediting the good work that some MVPs do. Can you really blame anyone for accepting recognition? It is human nature to want and deserve laud and attention. It is obvious that you measure yourself a much longer moral yardstick than the rest of us. Perhaps you should start your own Exchange list for-the-morally-upright to keep these reactions from happening in the future. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mo de =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode =lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To
RE: Server-based autoresponder for exchange 2000
Well, a server-based rule will work even when Outlook is not running. However it will present a great danger of starting a mail loop. Another way to do this would be to write some more intelligent code and create an event sink. Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Vivek Singh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Cc: Vivek Singh Subject: Server-based autoresponder for exchange 2000 Hi, We want to send an automatic response to the sender when an email is sent to the support mail ID of our company. I am interested in implementing a server based autoresponder for exchange 2000. So far, I've only seen products that run on Outlook. If you know of any server-based products that do this, or if there is a more ingenious way to do this, please let me know. Thanks in advance for all the help. Thanks and have a great day! Vivek Singh IT Manager Confluent Software, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (408)530-2122 _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
Back to my original question, we use Surf Control in front of SendMail which then forwards on to the Exchange Servers. Why would you put SendMail in as an intermediary? Is just the way Unix/Linux admins do things or is there a valid reason? Thanks for the replies. Good Information. It always passed the relay tests that I threw at the though. This was a simple environment and no other relaying was allowed. I suspect that the systems you have worked on had some other reason for relaying besides that ones you mentioned. Aaron -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Yes, you were lucky. I have seen this exact scenario happen a couple times now. Fydora or whoever apparently did not understand this scenario but it is a fairly common scenario in small office environments with people on the road connecting their laptops to hotel networks and the like. Yes, OWA is available, but there are lots of people in this world that are always going to hate something like OWA. OWA in 2003 is pretty sweet, I must say, but there will always be people that don't like. It's been a while since I've supported POP3 clients on Exchange (5.5) but, as I recall, I had no issues with anonymous relaying. I believe that Exchange 5.5 allowed anonymous SMTP inbound connections (that is, connections for mail to be delivered locally) and would allow relaying by authenticated users only. Or maybe I was just luckily that the spammers different find this server? Aaron -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail While I am not sure that the Greg in this post was directed at me or whether this is some new form of abuse and sarcasm, it is pretty much irrelevant as I do have some things to say on this issue. The biggest problem that I have had with Exchange on the outside of the SMTP mail chain is anti-spam in a small office environment. It is not that anti-spam functionality does not exist in Exchange, but it is in its native implementation. The issue actually revolves around POP3 users. For your Exchange server to serve as the end-point for SMTP connections from anywhere, you generally have to turn on Anonymous Authentication. This allows any SMTP server to connect to yours to send email. Now, let's say you have POP3 users that might be connecting from anywhere they please on just about anyone's network. To allow these people to send email, you have to generally turn go into Relay Restrictions and turn on Allow all computers which successfully authenticate to relay... The problem with this is that Anonymous Authentication is also on, so guess what? Spammers can anonymously authenticate and relay spam, because, apparently in the Microsoft world Anonymous Authentication is just as good as any other Authentication. Oh well. And yes, you can turn this checkbox off and set up specific computers, but if they are POP3 clients connecting from anywhere, you are hosed there and if you set up this by domain, you have a whole other set of problems, not the least of which is that this forces a reverse DNS lookup. What really needs to happen with this is that Microsoft needs to simply add a checkbox that says something along the lines of Anonymous Authentication can only send inbound messages and not relay. But, I guess since I am not an MVP the likelihood of this happening is close to zero. In terms of speed, I do not have hard numbers, but if you buddy is making rash statements like you indicate, he or she does not either. Tell your buddy to show you the proof or jump off a pier. You may want to be a little more PC. I have only seen an Exchange server's SMTP mail engine under duress when a spammer was involved and we are talking ungodly amounts of messages with lots of failures and retries. In terms of having Exchange exposed to the outside world, you can secure it, put it in a DMZ and make it a front-end server. Again, the main issue I have is with anti-spam in specific situations but if you don't have to worry about POP3 users or have an extra box to point POP3 users to, then you're good to go. Finally, I will point out that *technically* you do not even need Exchange as the SMTP engine is built into Windows 2000/2003 and I have played around with using this to serve as a host to forward SMTP mail into my Exchange environment. It's been awhile since I really sat down with it, but if memory serves it worked just fine. Greg, would you please help with this discussion on SendMailYour input will be highly regardedThanks Tell him
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
Just call me Russki. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Yes, you were lucky. I have seen this exact scenario happen a couple times now. Fydora or whoever... _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Brilliant comic timing. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 8:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance. -Original Message- From: Jason Clishe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Shut the fu*k up already, everyone. If anyone wants to continue this childish diatribe, take it offline. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Yes, you certainly schooled me. You are so very witty and clever I could never hope to compete with such a superior intellect. An AOL reference? Paaaleeeze. I get along with my coworkers just fine, thanks for your concern. Value is irrelevant, hence the point about a philosophical discussion. Many times, the greatest evils are wrapped in appealing packages. And yes, I love my fans. With fans like mine, who needs detractors? Let's call it 98, but I've been out a while since Exchange was not my focal point in recent years (nor is it now, I just thought I'd smack you around a bit.) Yes I am contributing. You got that right, genius. What gave it away, the 'you've got mail' chime? As far as the philosophical issue goes, you don't seem to have a lot of supporters. Do you have co-workers? Do you get along? I bet not. And you didn't comment on the VALUE of people like Missy, Ed, CTHULU, et al versus what you bring to the table. I'm done with this. You lose, and you will always lose. Have fun with your adoring fans. began 4-5 years. Ha! That puts you at around 1999-1998. This list has been around since 1994. This is a philosophical issue about ethics that has been raging for about 8 years or so. I specifically try to avoid the subject, but certain individuals can't seem to let it go. Guilty conscious maybe? Who knows. And you are contributing to the continuation of this thread. Welcome to the party. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
Oh, let me tell you, he hates Bill, Microcrap comes out of his mouth far too often. He's only 22 years old and a genius kid, good natured, knows his stuff. He is also an MCSE only because he was forced into it. The fact that someone develops a product to sell and then gets rich really pisses the Linux crowd off (some of them). That's obviously absurd - Sendmail probably does process more mail than Exchange on similar hardware but that's pretty much all sendmail does. It doesn't provide the additional features that Exchange has out of the box particularly if you are an Active Directory shop. Besides, what difference does it make as long as whatever platform you choose handles the volume of mail you need it to? The apparent advantage of sendmail is price - if you run it on Linux. If you put it in front of Exchange, that goes out the window anyway... Also, the administration involved compared to Exchange is very high even if you do have Unix\Linux admins on staff - that gets worse the more features you add like a web interface calendaring, whatever Public Folders equivalent there might be, etc. If you are an AD shop, it's really a no-brainer - have you ever tried to create an AD account with a sendmail mailbox with the same logon and permissions at the same time? Does this guy just hate Bill Gates like most of the folks I've met who make statements like that or does he just think he needs to know nothing about Exchange yet still draw comparisons? Jeff Hague MCSE Network Manager Randolph-Macon College Ashland, VA -Original Message- From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Good Morning All, I have a Unix/Linux admin that is just wearing me out with regards to Exchanging being 3rd rate. Given all of the variables including memory, processors, etc. How much mail traffic can Exchange process in an hour/day and what is the advantage if any of putting SendMail in front of Exchange? His last statement was that SendMail can process more mail in one minute than Exchagne can process in a day. Thanks, Sean _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchangetext_mode=3D= lang=3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Anything that is not a fact is an opinion. It will never be a fact that MVP's are unethical, because not everyone is going to agree on it and there is no physical proof either way. No, you can make a statement as a fact or as an opinion. It is how you quantify the statement that sets the distinction. Starting a sentence as I think that MVPs are unethical is different than saying, MVPs ARE unethical. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Of course, everything I say is my opinion. That's how it works. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
We do it because puremessage runs on sendmail. -Original Message- From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Back to my original question, we use Surf Control in front of SendMail which then forwards on to the Exchange Servers. Why would you put SendMail in as an intermediary? Is just the way Unix/Linux admins do things or is there a valid reason? Thanks for the replies. Good Information. It always passed the relay tests that I threw at the though. This was a simple environment and no other relaying was allowed. I suspect that the systems you have worked on had some other reason for relaying besides that ones you mentioned. Aaron -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Yes, you were lucky. I have seen this exact scenario happen a couple times now. Fydora or whoever apparently did not understand this scenario but it is a fairly common scenario in small office environments with people on the road connecting their laptops to hotel networks and the like. Yes, OWA is available, but there are lots of people in this world that are always going to hate something like OWA. OWA in 2003 is pretty sweet, I must say, but there will always be people that don't like. It's been a while since I've supported POP3 clients on Exchange (5.5) but, as I recall, I had no issues with anonymous relaying. I believe that Exchange 5.5 allowed anonymous SMTP inbound connections (that is, connections for mail to be delivered locally) and would allow relaying by authenticated users only. Or maybe I was just luckily that the spammers different find this server? Aaron -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail While I am not sure that the Greg in this post was directed at me or whether this is some new form of abuse and sarcasm, it is pretty much irrelevant as I do have some things to say on this issue. The biggest problem that I have had with Exchange on the outside of the SMTP mail chain is anti-spam in a small office environment. It is not that anti-spam functionality does not exist in Exchange, but it is in its native implementation. The issue actually revolves around POP3 users. For your Exchange server to serve as the end-point for SMTP connections from anywhere, you generally have to turn on Anonymous Authentication. This allows any SMTP server to connect to yours to send email. Now, let's say you have POP3 users that might be connecting from anywhere they please on just about anyone's network. To allow these people to send email, you have to generally turn go into Relay Restrictions and turn on Allow all computers which successfully authenticate to relay... The problem with this is that Anonymous Authentication is also on, so guess what? Spammers can anonymously authenticate and relay spam, because, apparently in the Microsoft world Anonymous Authentication is just as good as any other Authentication. Oh well. And yes, you can turn this checkbox off and set up specific computers, but if they are POP3 clients connecting from anywhere, you are hosed there and if you set up this by domain, you have a whole other set of problems, not the least of which is that this forces a reverse DNS lookup. What really needs to happen with this is that Microsoft needs to simply add a checkbox that says something along the lines of Anonymous Authentication can only send inbound messages and not relay. But, I guess since I am not an MVP the likelihood of this happening is close to zero. In terms of speed, I do not have hard numbers, but if you buddy is making rash statements like you indicate, he or she does not either. Tell your buddy to show you the proof or jump off a pier. You may want to be a little more PC. I have only seen an Exchange server's SMTP mail engine under duress when a spammer was involved and we are talking ungodly amounts of messages with lots of failures and retries. In terms of having Exchange exposed to the outside world, you can secure it, put it in a DMZ and make it a front-end server. Again, the main issue I have is with anti-spam in specific situations but if you don't have to worry about POP3 users or have an extra box to point POP3 users to, then you're good to go. Finally, I will point out that *technically* you do not even need Exchange as the SMTP engine is built into Windows 2000/2003 and I have played around with using this to serve as a host to forward SMTP mail
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
Hi russki -Original Message- From: Fyodorov, Andrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:15 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Just call me Russki. -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Yes, you were lucky. I have seen this exact scenario happen a couple times now. Fydora or whoever... _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
I wonder if any Linux people like the WTO :) -Original Message- From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Oh, let me tell you, he hates Bill, Microcrap comes out of his mouth far too often. He's only 22 years old and a genius kid, good natured, knows his stuff. He is also an MCSE only because he was forced into it. The fact that someone develops a product to sell and then gets rich really pisses the Linux crowd off (some of them). That's obviously absurd - Sendmail probably does process more mail than Exchange on similar hardware but that's pretty much all sendmail does. It doesn't provide the additional features that Exchange has out of the box particularly if you are an Active Directory shop. Besides, what difference does it make as long as whatever platform you choose handles the volume of mail you need it to? The apparent advantage of sendmail is price - if you run it on Linux. If you put it in front of Exchange, that goes out the window anyway... Also, the administration involved compared to Exchange is very high even if you do have Unix\Linux admins on staff - that gets worse the more features you add like a web interface calendaring, whatever Public Folders equivalent there might be, etc. If you are an AD shop, it's really a no-brainer - have you ever tried to create an AD account with a sendmail mailbox with the same logon and permissions at the same time? Does this guy just hate Bill Gates like most of the folks I've met who make statements like that or does he just think he needs to know nothing about Exchange yet still draw comparisons? Jeff Hague MCSE Network Manager Randolph-Macon College Ashland, VA -Original Message- From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Good Morning All, I have a Unix/Linux admin that is just wearing me out with regards to Exchanging being 3rd rate. Given all of the variables including memory, processors, etc. How much mail traffic can Exchange process in an hour/day and what is the advantage if any of putting SendMail in front of Exchange? His last statement was that SendMail can process more mail in one minute than Exchagne can process in a day. Thanks, Sean _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchangetext_mode =3D= lang=3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best backup software for Exchange
I love my Gammy but I won't let her sit on a freshly-upholstered sofa. -- be - MOS -Original Message- From: Ronald Mazzotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:28 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Funny you should say that. I love my CA Arcserve. Ronald R. Mazzotta Jr. Director of IT Schonbraun Safris McCann Bekritsky Co. L.L.C. 101 Eisenhower pky Roseland NJ, 07068 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Matteson Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Best backup software for Exchange Anything not from CA. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tigue Williams Posted At: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:42 PM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: Best backup software for Exchange Subject: Best backup software for Exchange We are looking at Networker and NetBackup for enterprise backup solutions. We would like to so the usual mailbox backup and also snap backups from SAN BCV's. I would like to hear from the members about these two products before we actually go ahead with the purchase. We are using 5.5 and will likely go with 2000 or 2003. We are migrating to a SAN as well. Is there any way to do mailbox backup from the BCV itself? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
That's true, your beliefs being on the fringe does not make them any less correct. It's the fact that you're wrong that makes them less correct. This imagined ethical crisis you've come up with simply doesn't exist. The vast majority of MVPs are interested in the best solution to the given challenge. Sometimes that solution is a Microsoft solution; sometimes it's not. I have no reservation about recommending other companies' products when that is the appropriate answer to the challenge. I am in no danger of losing my MVP status because of that position. I have openly criticized aspects of Microsoft products both in public and in private. Never has my status been in jeopardy because of that criticism. Your assumption is unfounded. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 5:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I do not hold you or anyone in contempt. I believe that your actions are wrong and hurt IT professionalism as a whole. My beliefs may be on the fringe, but that does not make them any less correct. I have never tried to offend, only to educate. I cannot help if people get offended, but it does seem immature to hold a grudge against someone only because you happen to disagree with them on a single topic. I'm sure that comment will offend some people as well. Here's some philosophy for you. Those you hold in contempt will very likely hold you in contempt. You are the only person from whom I've ever heard such an opinion. Perhaps if you were a little circumspect you might begin to see that your insulting belief is on the fringe and to continue to espouse it further marginalizes you. Here's a reason for you. You come and ask for help in a forum where there are many participants you have insulted in the past and continue to insult. Think about it. (Yeah, right.) As to rudeness, pal, you reap what you sow. Regarding your opinions on anything, sorry, but you must have confused me with someone who gives a rat's ass. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I don't recall ever claiming to not be compensated -- though I hardly call what I receive from Microsoft to be compensation in any significant understanding of the word. Furthermore this so-called compensation appears to be misplaced, since it hasn't altered my behavior. I provided support on Microsoft (and other) products before being selected as an MVP and I continue to do so today. If Microsoft decides tomorrow that I'm no longer an MVP I will continue to answer questions on Microsoft (and other) products as I have all along. The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 5:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Well, our recollections are different. My recollection is that the MVP's swore up and down that they did not get compensated. I may have missed something in the deluge of postings and it was quite a while ago so I may not have a perfect recollection of this. To term this lying is simply intellectual dishonest. Read my earlier post. Especially the part about being circumspect. As to your claim about what MVPs said about small gifts, you are simply a liar; there's no better term for it. I have the archives, and I remember very clearly what I typed and others posted, but I choose not to go research this matter only to prove that a blowhard is wrong. You have no credibility to begin with, so why should I bother? Didn't you once use the term MVP Select or some such in your signature? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 6:58 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I do not believe that I have ever bashed anyone. I have expressed my opinion. Honorary titles and gifts are a conflict of interest and hence not something that professional IT people should engage in, period. You can justify it all you want to yourself but it does not change the fact that it is a conflict of interest. And I do not see why my opinion is hurtful or demeaning. If you do not agree with my opinion, then why would you be hurt and demeaned by some nut in Ohio? I find it interesting that now there are small gifts involved. When this topic came up previously all of the MVP's stated that they were not compensated in any way. Finally, it is in Microsoft's best interests to listen to their customers. They should be doing this even without having MVP's and I, for one, would rather NOT have my wants and needs filtered through anyone, including an MVP. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Pens, Post-It Pads, the occasional portfolio-pad-book thing, mouse or logo watch (I don't wear wristwatches). Nice trinkets, most of which my wife takes. Doctors and lawyers get truckloads of vendor gifts. My mother is a cancer researcher. Every coffee mug she owns has a pharmaceutical name on it. Walk around our law office; you'll see calendars, calculators, coffee mugs, pens, pads, clocks...all gifts from court reporting agencies, document management companies, banks, insurance agencies If it makes you feel any better, by the way, it's been raining here most of the last two weeks. Of course it's still 77 degrees. :) Oh, Haiku. Hawaiilawyer Images of beach, surf, sand. And lawyers. Oh well. -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shotton Jolyon Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
If $1200 is 25% of a GW-Ex migration for 700 people then the project was severely underscoped and underbid. It seems like the customer has chosen cost over quality. C'est la vie. As for your positions, they are your opinion. Not fact. Not an opinion that many people agree with either. There are folks on these lists with medical and jurisprudence and engineering and MBA degrees who have been through all the professional certification processes and few if any have come to your defense here. The ones I know agree with me. I don't think I've mischaracterized your position at all. You say that we are all unethical solely because of the vendor relationship and without respect to any other facts. You say you got an MCSE to get cheaper software. That's a recognition from the vendor with monetary value. I really don't see the difference. I've given a lot of thought to your arguments over the years and I respectfully disagree. IT is not the same as building roads. Within the areas you call professions there are specializations. Within IT there are specializations too. It just so happens that those areas of /deep/ technical knowledge are sometimes on a particular product in addition to the specializations on generic process. There really is no precedent stating that there is ipso facto unprofessionalism or an issue with ethics. You say you got an MCSE to get cheaper software. That's a recognition from the vendor with monetary value. I really don't see the difference. I wish you could stop being so closed minded about this one particular issue. The venom and bile with which you say the word vendor is also really puzzling. When you go to a chiropractor, everything is a chiropractic problem with a chiropractic solution. When you go to a heart surgeon, everything is a coronary problem with a coronary solution. Different you say? Not really. If they act responsibly, they'll refer you somewhere else if what they have to offer isn't what you need. In the IT space, if what you need is not what I have to offer, I'll refer you somewhere else. Saying that I'm more likely to lie to you and try to mislead you than any random doctor with a specialty is absurd. On the other hand, if you want a specialist, getting one that has /deep/ technical knowledge is not a bad idea and if they've been recognized by other experts and their peers for that, all the better. Now you know my opinion on this subject. It's that you are every bit as wrong on this topic as you think I am. Let's move on. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Well, if you're big enough to look past my views on MVP, I think I can let it slide. Many thanks for your response. And, BTW, $1200 is 25% of the budget for this project, that's a big chunk of change. P.S. And because I have been heckled to death on this issue, I feel the need to clarify because I believe you have mis-characterized my position on this. Regardless of whether or not MVP is the greatest thing since sliced bread and never, ever, in a million years caused anyone to every act unethically or fail to think for themselves, it is still compensation from a vendor and hence something that IT professionals should not engage in. It is a slippery slope and if IT is to ever achieve the status of a profession, something that will eventually have to be addressed. Andy Ps - please add appropriate grains of salt to the validity and intellectual honesty of this answer. I have been accused of being an MVP, which may have compromised my ethics and ability to think for myself. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
There will always be people too stupid not to use POP3 as well. What can you say. POP3 is an unsecure and unsecurable protocol without adding something else. You can use multiple interfaces and have your POP clients connect differently. You can allow relaying only if they first set up a VPN connection and authenticate to send relaying SMTP then. Perhaps deeper technical knowledge would help you solve this problem. Perhaps asking someone who specializes in Exchange could have helped you with this over the years. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Yes, you were lucky. I have seen this exact scenario happen a couple times now. Fydora or whoever apparently did not understand this scenario but it is a fairly common scenario in small office environments with people on the road connecting their laptops to hotel networks and the like. Yes, OWA is available, but there are lots of people in this world that are always going to hate something like OWA. OWA in 2003 is pretty sweet, I must say, but there will always be people that don't like. It's been a while since I've supported POP3 clients on Exchange (5.5) but, as I recall, I had no issues with anonymous relaying. I believe that Exchange 5.5 allowed anonymous SMTP inbound connections (that is, connections for mail to be delivered locally) and would allow relaying by authenticated users only. Or maybe I was just luckily that the spammers different find this server? Aaron -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail While I am not sure that the Greg in this post was directed at me or whether this is some new form of abuse and sarcasm, it is pretty much irrelevant as I do have some things to say on this issue. The biggest problem that I have had with Exchange on the outside of the SMTP mail chain is anti-spam in a small office environment. It is not that anti-spam functionality does not exist in Exchange, but it is in its native implementation. The issue actually revolves around POP3 users. For your Exchange server to serve as the end-point for SMTP connections from anywhere, you generally have to turn on Anonymous Authentication. This allows any SMTP server to connect to yours to send email. Now, let's say you have POP3 users that might be connecting from anywhere they please on just about anyone's network. To allow these people to send email, you have to generally turn go into Relay Restrictions and turn on Allow all computers which successfully authenticate to relay... The problem with this is that Anonymous Authentication is also on, so guess what? Spammers can anonymously authenticate and relay spam, because, apparently in the Microsoft world Anonymous Authentication is just as good as any other Authentication. Oh well. And yes, you can turn this checkbox off and set up specific computers, but if they are POP3 clients connecting from anywhere, you are hosed there and if you set up this by domain, you have a whole other set of problems, not the least of which is that this forces a reverse DNS lookup. What really needs to happen with this is that Microsoft needs to simply add a checkbox that says something along the lines of Anonymous Authentication can only send inbound messages and not relay. But, I guess since I am not an MVP the likelihood of this happening is close to zero. In terms of speed, I do not have hard numbers, but if you buddy is making rash statements like you indicate, he or she does not either. Tell your buddy to show you the proof or jump off a pier. You may want to be a little more PC. I have only seen an Exchange server's SMTP mail engine under duress when a spammer was involved and we are talking ungodly amounts of messages with lots of failures and retries. In terms of having Exchange exposed to the outside world, you can secure it, put it in a DMZ and make it a front-end server. Again, the main issue I have is with anti-spam in specific situations but if you don't have to worry about POP3 users or have an extra box to point POP3 users to, then you're good to go. Finally, I will point out that *technically* you do not even need Exchange as the SMTP engine is built into Windows 2000/2003 and I have played around with using this to serve as a host to forward SMTP mail into my Exchange environment. It's been awhile since I really sat down with it, but if memory serves it worked just fine. Greg, would you please help with this discussion on SendMailYour input will be highly regardedThanks Tell him Postfix is more secure... :P Personally, I like to put another server at the edge for SMTP that is NOT
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
There's no physical proof that you as a so-called professional are not unethical either. When did you stop beating your wife? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Anything that is not a fact is an opinion. It will never be a fact that MVP's are unethical, because not everyone is going to agree on it and there is no physical proof either way. No, you can make a statement as a fact or as an opinion. It is how you quantify the statement that sets the distinction. Starting a sentence as I think that MVPs are unethical is different than saying, MVPs ARE unethical. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Of course, everything I say is my opinion. That's how it works. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I was not arguing with you about the symantics between fact opinion, just rather pointing out that you tend to assert your opinions as fact. That is a very abrasive personality trait and probably explains why the discussion list has reacted to you the way that they have. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:48 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Anything that is not a fact is an opinion. It will never be a fact that MVP's are unethical, because not everyone is going to agree on it and there is no physical proof either way. No, you can make a statement as a fact or as an opinion. It is how you quantify the statement that sets the distinction. Starting a sentence as I think that MVPs are unethical is different than saying, MVPs ARE unethical. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Of course, everything I say is my opinion. That's how it works. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface:
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Ok, so who plays Capt. Stubin? :p -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
You guys crack me up. =) -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Ed. You're Julie, the coked up cruise director. I'm the Dr. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ok, so who plays Capt. Stubin? :p -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I gotta do something! Apparently, if I were even LUCKY enough to get nominated to be an MVP, I'd be violating some code of ethics that doesn't exist if I were to accept such a nomination :( -Original Message- From: Candee Vaglica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 You guys crack me up. =) -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I wanna be Issac!! :P -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ed. You're Julie, the coked up cruise director. I'm the Dr. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ok, so who plays Capt. Stubin? :p -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ:
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
You want to complain? Fine, your Charo. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I wanna be Issac!! :P -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ed. You're Julie, the coked up cruise director. I'm the Dr. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ok, so who plays Capt. Stubin? :p -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface:
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Good choice. The doctor has the same hairline and legs as you. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ed. You're Julie, the coked up cruise director. I'm the Dr. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ok, so who plays Capt. Stubin? :p -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Who the hell was that? I don't remember no Charo! -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 You want to complain? Fine, your Charo. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I wanna be Issac!! :P -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ed. You're Julie, the coked up cruise director. I'm the Dr. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ok, so who plays Capt. Stubin? :p -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
You and Don should not be talking about hairlines -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Good choice. The doctor has the same hairline and legs as you. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ed. You're Julie, the coked up cruise director. I'm the Dr. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ok, so who plays Capt. Stubin? :p -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
http://www.showtimemarketing.com/images/charo.jpg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Who the hell was that? I don't remember no Charo! -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 You want to complain? Fine, your Charo. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I wanna be Issac!! :P -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ed. You're Julie, the coked up cruise director. I'm the Dr. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ok, so who plays Capt. Stubin? :p -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Coochie Coochie! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:15 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 http://www.showtimemarketing.com/images/charo.jpg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Who the hell was that? I don't remember no Charo! -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 You want to complain? Fine, your Charo. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I wanna be Issac!! :P -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ed. You're Julie, the coked up cruise director. I'm the Dr. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ok, so who plays Capt. Stubin? :p -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ:
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Your forehead goes to the back of your neck. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 This from the man with a really tall forehead and chicken legs... Who are you to talk? :P -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 You and Don should not be talking about hairlines -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Good choice. The doctor has the same hairline and legs as you. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ed. You're Julie, the coked up cruise director. I'm the Dr. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ok, so who plays Capt. Stubin? :p -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe:
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
This from the man with a really tall forehead and chicken legs... Who are you to talk? :P -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 You and Don should not be talking about hairlines -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Good choice. The doctor has the same hairline and legs as you. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ed. You're Julie, the coked up cruise director. I'm the Dr. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ok, so who plays Capt. Stubin? :p -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface:
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Forehead = Pen... :P -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:20 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Your forehead goes to the back of your neck. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 This from the man with a really tall forehead and chicken legs... Who are you to talk? :P -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 You and Don should not be talking about hairlines -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Good choice. The doctor has the same hairline and legs as you. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ed. You're Julie, the coked up cruise director. I'm the Dr. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ok, so who plays Capt. Stubin? :p -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system.
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
More of a fivehead eh? -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Your forehead goes to the back of your neck. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 This from the man with a really tall forehead and chicken legs... Who are you to talk? :P -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 You and Don should not be talking about hairlines -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Good choice. The doctor has the same hairline and legs as you. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ed. You're Julie, the coked up cruise director. I'm the Dr. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ok, so who plays Capt. Stubin? :p -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any
Seeking documentation
Thanks for reading. I am looking into migrating to SBS 2003 from Windows NT 4 domain. I have a PDC (NT4), SQL 2000(Win2k) and Exchange 5.5 (NT4) all running on separate servers. I have not found any documentation about the upgrade/migration of this particular scenario. Any help? [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Seeking documentation
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/sbs/upgrade/default.mspx Scroll down. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Seeking documentation Thanks for reading. I am looking into migrating to SBS 2003 from Windows NT 4 domain. I have a PDC (NT4), SQL 2000(Win2k) and Exchange 5.5 (NT4) all running on separate servers. I have not found any documentation about the upgrade/migration of this particular scenario. Any help? [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Webb, Andy If $1200 is 25% of a GW-Ex migration for 700 people then the project was severely underscoped and underbid. No kidding. The design and implementation plan alone for a project of that size is worth WAY more than $4800. Jason _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
I get to be doc then. He always got busy with the chix. John Parker, MCSE IS Admin. Senior Technical Specialist Alpha Display Systems. Alpha Video 7711 Computer Ave. Edina, MN. 55435 952-896-9898 Local 800-388-0008 Watts 952-896-9899 Fax 612-804-8769 Cell 952-841-3327 Direct [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be excellent to each other ---End of Line--- -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 This from the man with a really tall forehead and chicken legs... Who are you to talk? :P -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 You and Don should not be talking about hairlines -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Good choice. The doctor has the same hairline and legs as you. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ed. You're Julie, the coked up cruise director. I'm the Dr. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ok, so who plays Capt. Stubin? :p -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
That's what they want you to believe... I think he preferred guys... That's why Martin wants to be the Doc... :P -Original Message- From: John Parker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:55 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I get to be doc then. He always got busy with the chix. John Parker, MCSE IS Admin. Senior Technical Specialist Alpha Display Systems. Alpha Video 7711 Computer Ave. Edina, MN. 55435 952-896-9898 Local 800-388-0008 Watts 952-896-9899 Fax 612-804-8769 Cell 952-841-3327 Direct [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be excellent to each other ---End of Line--- -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 This from the man with a really tall forehead and chicken legs... Who are you to talk? :P -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 You and Don should not be talking about hairlines -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Good choice. The doctor has the same hairline and legs as you. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ed. You're Julie, the coked up cruise director. I'm the Dr. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ok, so who plays Capt. Stubin? :p -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
And how does sendmail (or any other SMTP server for that matter) differ as far as allowing someone to send email to someone in a different domain - relaying? Jeff -Original Message- From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:24 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail I thing Greg is saying that a POP3/SMTP user can't send mail OUTSIDE the organization without relaying (with authentication) turned on. Which is another good reason to NOT expose Exchange SMTP to the outside world. It is now apparently common knowledge among spammers that Exchange defaults to allowing authenticated relaying. If you have this box checked (Q310380 Q321825 advises to turn it on), then you are opening up your domain accounts to dictionary attacks. Even if it isn't turned on, spammers will STILL try when their scan shows your SMTP host is Exchange, eating up your bandwidth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fyodorov, Andrey Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Hey there always will be people that don't like POP3. I perfectly understand how Exchange works by the way. I also perfectly understand SMTP. Believe me, most SMTP servers out there (Exchange, iMAIL, SendMail, etc.) accept Anonymous connections. It does not meant that they relay mail for Anonymous connections. Also trust me, unless you have misconfigured something on your Exchange server, Exchange will not relay mail from an anonymous source. But it will accept ***inbound*** mail from an anonymous source because that's what it is supposed to do, being an RFC compliant SMTP server et all. Sincerely, Andrey Fyodorov, Exchange MVP Systems Engineer Messaging and Collaboration Spherion -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Yes, you were lucky. I have seen this exact scenario happen a couple times now. Fydora or whoever apparently did not understand this scenario but it is a fairly common scenario in small office environments with people on the road connecting their laptops to hotel networks and the like. Yes, OWA is available, but there are lots of people in this world that are always going to hate something like OWA. OWA in 2003 is pretty sweet, I must say, but there will always be people that don't like. It's been a while since I've supported POP3 clients on Exchange (5.5) but, as I recall, I had no issues with anonymous relaying. I believe that Exchange 5.5 allowed anonymous SMTP inbound connections (that is, connections for mail to be delivered locally) and would allow relaying by authenticated users only. Or maybe I was just luckily that the spammers different find this server? Aaron -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail While I am not sure that the Greg in this post was directed at me or whether this is some new form of abuse and sarcasm, it is pretty much irrelevant as I do have some things to say on this issue. The biggest problem that I have had with Exchange on the outside of the SMTP mail chain is anti-spam in a small office environment. It is not that anti-spam functionality does not exist in Exchange, but it is in its native implementation. The issue actually revolves around POP3 users. For your Exchange server to serve as the end-point for SMTP connections from anywhere, you generally have to turn on Anonymous Authentication. This allows any SMTP server to connect to yours to send email. Now, let's say you have POP3 users that might be connecting from anywhere they please on just about anyone's network. To allow these people to send email, you have to generally turn go into Relay Restrictions and turn on Allow all computers which successfully authenticate to relay... The problem with this is that Anonymous Authentication is also on, so guess what? Spammers can anonymously authenticate and relay spam, because, apparently in the Microsoft world Anonymous Authentication is just as good as any other Authentication. Oh well. And yes, you can turn this checkbox off and set up specific computers, but if they are POP3 clients connecting from anywhere, you are hosed there and if you set up this by domain, you have a whole other set of problems, not the least of which is that this forces a reverse DNS lookup. What really needs to happen with this is that Microsoft needs to simply add a checkbox that says something along the lines of Anonymous Authentication can only send inbound messages and not relay. But, I guess since I am not an MVP the likelihood of this happening is
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
We have a few of those around campus - mostly Mac heads though. 22 years old is all you had to say... We have a 22 year old Mac Tech who is also very bright and really knows his stuff but has the anti-MS attitude from hell as well. We have tried to get him to see that he has a great opportunity here. Were 95% MS, the Macs are used by a few Faculty and the Math department. He could become one of those rare people who really know how to deal with Mac in a Windows environment but he just wont let himself learn anything about Windows... A lost cause. Jeff -Original Message- From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:21 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Oh, let me tell you, he hates Bill, Microcrap comes out of his mouth far too often. He's only 22 years old and a genius kid, good natured, knows his stuff. He is also an MCSE only because he was forced into it. The fact that someone develops a product to sell and then gets rich really pisses the Linux crowd off (some of them). That's obviously absurd - Sendmail probably does process more mail than Exchange on similar hardware but that's pretty much all sendmail does. It doesn't provide the additional features that Exchange has out of the box particularly if you are an Active Directory shop. Besides, what difference does it make as long as whatever platform you choose handles the volume of mail you need it to? The apparent advantage of sendmail is price - if you run it on Linux. If you put it in front of Exchange, that goes out the window anyway... Also, the administration involved compared to Exchange is very high even if you do have Unix\Linux admins on staff - that gets worse the more features you add like a web interface calendaring, whatever Public Folders equivalent there might be, etc. If you are an AD shop, it's really a no-brainer - have you ever tried to create an AD account with a sendmail mailbox with the same logon and permissions at the same time? Does this guy just hate Bill Gates like most of the folks I've met who make statements like that or does he just think he needs to know nothing about Exchange yet still draw comparisons? Jeff Hague MCSE Network Manager Randolph-Macon College Ashland, VA -Original Message- From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Good Morning All, I have a Unix/Linux admin that is just wearing me out with regards to Exchanging being 3rd rate. Given all of the variables including memory, processors, etc. How much mail traffic can Exchange process in an hour/day and what is the advantage if any of putting SendMail in front of Exchange? His last statement was that SendMail can process more mail in one minute than Exchagne can process in a day. Thanks, Sean _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3Dexchangetext_mode =3D= lang=3Denglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
His qualifies as a six head -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:23 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 More of a fivehead eh? -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Your forehead goes to the back of your neck. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 This from the man with a really tall forehead and chicken legs... Who are you to talk? :P -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:14 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 You and Don should not be talking about hairlines -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Good choice. The doctor has the same hairline and legs as you. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ed. You're Julie, the coked up cruise director. I'm the Dr. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ok, so who plays Capt. Stubin? :p -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Guilty conscience too. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 6:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 4-5 years. Ha! That puts you at around 1999-1998. This list has been around since 1994. This is a philosophical issue about ethics that has been raging for about 8 years or so. I specifically try to avoid the subject, but certain individuals can't seem to let it go. Guilty conscious maybe? Who knows. And you are contributing to the continuation of this thread. Welcome to the party. diatribe on Ok $hitballs, enough of this! I get enough spam in a given day. Greg, you are wrong as far as your peers are concerned, and insulting to boot. That's all there is to it. Deal with it. I've yet to hear anyone on the list chime in with 'yeah, MVP status is ethically/morally wrong', of course I could have missed that in the pi$$ing coming from you and the shift/delete it forced me to do. I've been a member of this list before (about 4-5 years ago, where's CTHULU, by the way?? Did the pagan gods suck his skull?) and it had a much better taste then, thanks in part to you. You weren't here then, were you? Your name does NOT ring any bells. OH!!, right, you were here then! You said so yourself. So why do I remember the others and not you. Must be because they were worth something and helped people. Hey, maybe they were Valuable?? As far as MVP goes? Hell, if I were a newbie and wanted advice, and Ed or Missy or Paul R. (or Martin or Andrey, hi guys, were you here 4 years ago?) answered a post, I would consider their advice. That's the importance of MVP status (not that they are all MVP's, I don't know or care - its about prolific posting, helping others, and having the respect of the community). MVP essentially means that you are respected in your given field of expertise. If Microsoft condones that and recognizes it, freakin' great! Its not that they necessarily know more than you or I (though I would bet LARGE in favor of the fact that they got you cold), but that they are HELPING others. Not pissing in the fuking wind, as you've seemingly got a wont to do. So, shut the he|| up and let this thread die. Back to work. Sorry if I've missed mentioning any of you who've helped others and also have the respect of the community. Deckler seems to have forever lost that possibility by being an incredible burning hemorrhoid. (guess what folks, that's the correct spelling.) /diatribe off Began _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
The truth is the truth whether or not you remember it, misrepresent it, or lie about it. The truth is that there is an MVP web site, http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;en-us;mvpfaqs, which discloses that we get some stuff. Nobody has ever tried to hide anything. In the thread you no longer remember, or, more likely, choose to lie about, several of us told you exactly what the award consists of. There is no excuse for you now pleading ignorance. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 6:01 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Sure thing, Ed. My recollection is of MVP's stating things (and I'm paraphrasing because I'm doing this from memory) Compensation, what compensation? Compensation? I must be missing out I'm still waiting to hear what this compensation is supposed to be that I keep hearing about. Again, someone may have posted something that mentioned that they did in fact receive gifts or compensation of some sort, but there were like 200 messages or something in that thread and it was back in February. You know, I think I do remember somebody at some point making reference to a T-shirt or something. Since we are on the subject though and since you maintain that you DID mention these gifts and compensation AND since you mentioned that you do not believe that the MVP program is corrupting or influencing in any way, why don't you make a full public accouting of all gifts and compensation that you have received as part of the MVP program? Don't hide behind that recollection crap. You are a liar. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Well, our recollections are different. My recollection is that the MVP's swore up and down that they did not get compensated. I may have missed something in the deluge of postings and it was quite a while ago so I may not have a perfect recollection of this. To term this lying is simply intellectual dishonest. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
It will never be a fact that MVPs are unethical because it simply isn't true unless we are held to your silly standards. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 10:48 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Anything that is not a fact is an opinion. It will never be a fact that MVP's are unethical, because not everyone is going to agree on it and there is no physical proof either way. No, you can make a statement as a fact or as an opinion. It is how you quantify the statement that sets the distinction. Starting a sentence as I think that MVPs are unethical is different than saying, MVPs ARE unethical. Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Of course, everything I say is my opinion. That's how it works. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
The same guy who played Siegfried from KAOS. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ok, so who plays Capt. Stubin? :p -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
Are you calling me a coke addict? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ed. You're Julie, the coked up cruise director. I'm the Dr. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ok, so who plays Capt. Stubin? :p -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
If you feel that way, a locked down Windows 2003 box running the SMTP service is just as capable as a Unix box running sendmail. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 6:54 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Um, no, it can't. But that's a whole different story. Microsoft has some hard num bers about the speed of the IIS SMTP component in comparison to sendmail. I think they're in a whitepaper someone on the MS site. That being said, I'm not a fan of exposing Exchange directly to the Internet. If for no other reason, I like to run border virus scanning (using VirusWall from Trend Micro), which I feel runs better on Unix. Even then, these systems are in the middle of the mail flow (internal relays). We use a highly locked down[1] version of OpenBSD as inbound only relays in our DMZ (they only accept and forward mail for us - they don't send mail outbound). It's a bit overkill, but we also run a lot more mail through our systems than comparible sized companies seem to do. To answer your question, however, I've not found a case where a properly tuned Exchange server fell under load, short of an outright DOS attack or mail loop. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. [1] That seems redundant to me... -Original Message- From: Sean Faust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:20 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Good Morning All, I have a Unix/Linux admin that is just wearing me out with regards to Exchanging being 3rd rate. Given all of the variables including memory, processors, etc. How much mail traffic can Exchange process in an hour/day and what is the advantage if any of putting SendMail in front of Exchange? His last statement was that SendMail can process more mail in one minute than Exchagne can process in a day. Thanks, Sean _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail
You can relay off a box that is not exposed to the Internet for incoming mail too. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Webb, Andy Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:18 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail There will always be people too stupid not to use POP3 as well. What can you say. POP3 is an unsecure and unsecurable protocol without adding something else. You can use multiple interfaces and have your POP clients connect differently. You can allow relaying only if they first set up a VPN connection and authenticate to send relaying SMTP then. Perhaps deeper technical knowledge would help you solve this problem. Perhaps asking someone who specializes in Exchange could have helped you with this over the years. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:00 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail Yes, you were lucky. I have seen this exact scenario happen a couple times now. Fydora or whoever apparently did not understand this scenario but it is a fairly common scenario in small office environments with people on the road connecting their laptops to hotel networks and the like. Yes, OWA is available, but there are lots of people in this world that are always going to hate something like OWA. OWA in 2003 is pretty sweet, I must say, but there will always be people that don't like. It's been a while since I've supported POP3 clients on Exchange (5.5) but, as I recall, I had no issues with anonymous relaying. I believe that Exchange 5.5 allowed anonymous SMTP inbound connections (that is, connections for mail to be delivered locally) and would allow relaying by authenticated users only. Or maybe I was just luckily that the spammers different find this server? Aaron -Original Message- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:30 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mail Processing by Exchange vs. SendMail While I am not sure that the Greg in this post was directed at me or whether this is some new form of abuse and sarcasm, it is pretty much irrelevant as I do have some things to say on this issue. The biggest problem that I have had with Exchange on the outside of the SMTP mail chain is anti-spam in a small office environment. It is not that anti-spam functionality does not exist in Exchange, but it is in its native implementation. The issue actually revolves around POP3 users. For your Exchange server to serve as the end-point for SMTP connections from anywhere, you generally have to turn on Anonymous Authentication. This allows any SMTP server to connect to yours to send email. Now, let's say you have POP3 users that might be connecting from anywhere they please on just about anyone's network. To allow these people to send email, you have to generally turn go into Relay Restrictions and turn on Allow all computers which successfully authenticate to relay... The problem with this is that Anonymous Authentication is also on, so guess what? Spammers can anonymously authenticate and relay spam, because, apparently in the Microsoft world Anonymous Authentication is just as good as any other Authentication. Oh well. And yes, you can turn this checkbox off and set up specific computers, but if they are POP3 clients connecting from anywhere, you are hosed there and if you set up this by domain, you have a whole other set of problems, not the least of which is that this forces a reverse DNS lookup. What really needs to happen with this is that Microsoft needs to simply add a checkbox that says something along the lines of Anonymous Authentication can only send inbound messages and not relay. But, I guess since I am not an MVP the likelihood of this happening is close to zero. In terms of speed, I do not have hard numbers, but if you buddy is making rash statements like you indicate, he or she does not either. Tell your buddy to show you the proof or jump off a pier. You may want to be a little more PC. I have only seen an Exchange server's SMTP mail engine under duress when a spammer was involved and we are talking ungodly amounts of messages with lots of failures and retries. In terms of having Exchange exposed to the outside world, you can secure it, put it in a DMZ and make it a front-end server. Again, the main issue I have is with anti-spam in specific situations but if you don't have to worry about POP3 users or have an extra box to point POP3 users to, then you're good to go. Finally, I will point out that *technically* you do not even need Exchange as the SMTP engine is built into Windows 2000/2003 and I have played around with
RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
No, you are the Capt. Don is Julie. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley [MVP] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Are you calling me a coke addict? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Blackstone Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:03 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ed. You're Julie, the coked up cruise director. I'm the Dr. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:53 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Ok, so who plays Capt. Stubin? :p -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 The Swynk List... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We'll be flaming YOU... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ely, Don Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Or is it... The LOVE Boat... Exciting and New... Climb Aboard... We're expecting YOU... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 We have a love connection!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Pickens Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Hi Neighbor, I'm just over a ways, off of I75 and Caruth Haven. Right across from Northpark mall in the big ugly gold towers. Traffic on 75 is horrid right now. -Original Message- From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I am owned by my MSDN cd cases and Microsoft pens. Long live the overlord! It's raining here (Dallas, TX), too. (A very wet) Eric Fretz L-3 Communications ComCept Division 2800 Discovery Blvd. Rockwall, TX 75032 tel: 972.772.7501 fax: 972.772.7510 -Original Message- From: Rachel Pickens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:59 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 Jolyon, This Greg doesn't see it that way... He thinks the pens and mousepads are evil, and will corrupt you. But note, he he thinks utility software should be free. (he mentioned Novell by name) You missed the last time this subject came up, it raged for a week with no real conclusion. He is very consistently inconsistant in his logic. Its raining here too Rachel -Original Message- From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5 I was going to ask what form this compensation took. So it's on the level of the free pens the drugs companies give to doctors rather than being so much greater than the salary your employer pays that your loyalty lies utterly with Microsoft then? *Phew* Also, can I say again that hawaiilawyer.com sounds impossibly glamorous as I prepare to trudge out of our crumbly dive of an office and across a very cold and soggy London in the dark. I love my job but I still need vitamin D. -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sudden absence of We Love Our MVPs Post-It pads and MSDN CD cases notwithstanding. The information contained in this e-mail is intended for the recipient or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential information that is exempt from disclosure by law and if you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any act in reliance on it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete from your system. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000
Perhaps you should bill fewer hours to compensate. On the whole, it'd probably be a huge win for everyone. Except for you, of course. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Day 2 Lessons Learned: GW6.5 to Exchange 2000 Well, if you're big enough to look past my views on MVP, I think I can let it slide. Many thanks for your response. And, BTW, $1200 is 25% of the budget for this project, that's a big chunk of change. P.S. And because I have been heckled to death on this issue, I feel the need to clarify because I believe you have mis-characterized my position on this. Regardless of whether or not MVP is the greatest thing since sliced bread and never, ever, in a million years caused anyone to every act unethically or fail to think for themselves, it is still compensation from a vendor and hence something that IT professionals should not engage in. It is a slippery slope and if IT is to ever achieve the status of a profession, something that will eventually have to be addressed. Andy Ps - please add appropriate grains of salt to the validity and intellectual honesty of this answer. I have been accused of being an MVP, which may have compromised my ethics and ability to think for myself. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
