[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Ledger, Chronicling FF life, the lady saints arrive '05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/16/05 5:09 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except that more ethical movements, such as Amma's are relatively free of it. Do they havethe cash flow of the TMO? HOw do you know? Quite a bit less, I think. Until she can talk in terms of billion dollar projects, you can't judge her ethics at the same level as the TMO's. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 16, 2005, at 7:11 PM, sparaig wrote: Modern Fundamentalists have certain beliefs and practices that go against Masonry practices and beliefs, or so I understand. There is more dis- and mis-information out there on Freemasonry (which is really a very broad term) than there is truth on the org. Movies like Nicholas Cage in _National Treasure_ certainly don't help matters--or Dan Brown... googling freemason beliefs and practices yields manyhits by fundamentalist organizations,both Christian and Moslem, that warn against participation in Freemasonry. State sponsored Egyptian television broadcast a 33 part series on the evils of Freemasonry and this was seen widely thoughout the middle east and the Arab world. It is banned in almost all Islamic countries, Turkey being the notable exception, where it flourishes. When freedom is going to be taken away in a country, the first thing they'll do is ban the Masonic lodges. Please note that I was raised Unitarian Universalist and that I am NOT trying to say anything against Freemasons except to point out that many religious groups appear to believe (rightly or wrongly) that Freemasonry is incompatible with their particular religion. Most Fundamentalists are of this type, I think. Of course, there is a difference between Evangelical Christian and Fundamentalist, though the Fundamentalists would object to the distinction. Jimmy Carter is an Evangelical, as is, I believe, George H.W. Bush. His son, George W. Bush, is a Fundamentalist. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guruphiliac
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/16/05 6:15 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ It's cute. Gotta admit, cute wasn't the first word to come to my mind after reading it. What surprised me most, however, is that Rick posted that link, even though it has a series of entries that rip the whole Ammachi crowd a new asshole. Its an equal-opportunity rip done with reasonable writing skill. I agree. I think people should be able to speak their mind. Amma's been criticized her whole life and it hasn't slowed her down. Likewise with MMY. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Rick should go into politics. He's got the technique of the smear down nicely. As do you. Why don't you run against him? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM teachers all agreed not to see other gurus
It's not just a matter of Vedic knowledge being distorted, but Bevanity distorts everything -- it has to. But, as people are tired of hearing from me, it does not matter, because only a slow unfolding of enlightenment values can work in the Kaliyuga, so everything will come out in the wash, no problem: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html#light I'm certainly not tired of hearing from you. I find, among other things, your collection of quotes from Maharishi truly uplifting, and many of your analysis very interesting. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Settlers*, not Founders. The Founders were *not* right-wing religious nuts. No; apparently a large number of them were Freemasons :-) Weren't the Freemasons more of a mystical, anti-Catholic organization, rather than a right-wing conservative one? I do not know much about Freemasons of obvious reasons. But from what I have read about them and talked to some of my freemasons students (in the 70ths a lot of them learned TM - and some TM-Teachers was also Freemasons) I understand that they are more like Gnostics and they have all that symbols and rituals. One of the founders was in India, probably learning about Mysteries things there. I have seen some pictures of the symbols in their temples and they remind me of Yantras. But again - I am not The Knower here. Ingegerd Freemasons were like the new agers of the old age. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Ledger, Chronicling FF life, the lady saints arrive '05
Amma got a reward from Rotary in South India for her humanitarian work after the flood catastrophe last Christmas. So she is known in every Rotarian Club in the world for her work. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/16/05 5:09 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except that more ethical movements, such as Amma's are relatively free of it. Do they havethe cash flow of the TMO? HOw do you know? Quite a bit less, I think. Until she can talk in terms of billion dollar projects, you can't judge her ethics at the same level as the TMO's. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why the TMO won't survive in it's present form. He needs to see stuff like this FFL article. Funding the placing of a full page advertisement may sound daunting, but it is accomplishable. Is there a newspaper that Maharishi would definitely read or have drawn to his attention by an intelligent aide? If so, what would we put in that Letter to Maharishi ? International Herald Tribune To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
People weren't gay back then. They were just manly men. - Original Message - From: akasha_108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 10:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; "Rove Not Target of Investigation" --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: And Abe Lincoln, a Republican, probably would have been a Democrat today.Particularly given the recent evidence he was gay. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is it we¹re trying to tell him? Whatever it is, I don¹t think he wants to hear it. So we could hire the Goodyear Blimp and fly it over Vlodrop with our message in neon on the side, and it would still be ignored or scoffed at. What is it... That's another matter. Not worth discussing until the first is sorted. I don't think he wants to hear it... It is hard for me to believe that he could have built up this movement and be that stupid. May be I just don't want to believe it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades
When PC propagandists assure us that jihadist terror doesn't reflect true, peaceful Islam, they're not only wrong, theyr're dangerous -- because they lull America and the West into letting their guard down against its mortal enemy. And not only do self- appointed experts lie elaborately and persistently about Islam -- they have also replaced the truth about Christian Europe and the Crusades with an all-pervasive historical fantasy that is designed to make you ashamed of your own culture and heritage -- and thus less determined to defend it. But now there's a remedy: in The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades), Robert Spencer reveals all the disturbing facts about Islam and its murderous hostility to the West that other books ignore, softpedal -- or simply lie about. This book is a unique guide to the bloody teachings and history of Islam, and to the Crusades that still stand today as the Western world's most sustained and successful defense against the warrior hordes who were inspired by those teachings. Exposing myth after myth of the Islam means peace establishment, Spencer (director of JihadWatch.com and the bestselling author of Islam Unveiled and Onward Muslim Soldiers) here tackles all the hot-button issues regarding Islam and the Crusades. Not politically correct -- just true: The Crusades: unprovoked Western aggression? How, in fact, Muslims armies overran the predominantly Christian Middle East, then drove deep into Europe long before any Crusade was even contemplated -- and did so in obedience to core teachings of the Islamic faith How the much-ballyhooed (and grossly exaggerated) Golden Age of Islamic culture was largely inspired by non-Muslims Muhammed: the Perfect Man? That's how Muslims regard him. Details about his licentiousness, cruelty, and ruthless ambition that make him a dangerous role model Muhammad as Prophet: how he received convenient revelations that justified his insatiable lusts and numerous marriages -- including one to a 9-year-old girl How Muhammad ordered -- and rejoiced in -- the assassinations of his enemies. How he lied and broke treaties as a matter of course Muhammad vs. Jesus: proof that Christianity teaches peace and Islam violence -- and that there is nothing in the Bible that rivals the Qur'an's exhortations to warfare The stifling effect Islam has on science and free inquiry, accounting for its failure to prosper -- and hence for its murderous envy of the West The ghastly lure of Islam's X-rated Paradise for suicide bombers and jihad terrorists Islamic law: how it institutionalizes oppression of Christians, Jews and other non-Muslims in Islamic societies How the Qur'an and Islamic law treat women as nothing more or less than possessions of men Islam's only overarching moral principle: if it's good for Islam, it's right Why Western leaders who think non-Muslims can win hearts and minds among Islamic jihadists are naïve Why modern-day jihad warriors despise democracy and will do all they can to resist it Filmmaker Theo van Gogh: murdered on an Amsterdam street in broad daylight for offending Muslims -- and other signs that violent Islamic intimidation has come to the West Why Europe could be Islamic by the end of the twenty-first century Above all, Spencer details how the jihad that the non-Muslim world faces today is in direct continuity with the one the Crusaders fought against. It continues today in Europe and even in America while pressure groups intimidate the media into silence about the real nature and goals of Islam. The whitewashed Islam they present, argues Spencer, hinders our ability to defend ourselves against Islamic terror. Spencer also explains here what we must do to stop the jihad onslaught not only militarily, but culturally. He maintains that we will not be able to defeat today's Islamic jihad without recovering pride in the superiority -- yes, superiority -- of Western, Christian civilization. If we surrender our culture, he warns, soon we will be surrendering our homes. But here at last is a book that helps you reclaim the glorious past of our civilization -- and thereby defend that civilization more effectively in the present. A clarion call for the defense of the West The jihad that the Western world faces today is identical in its motivations and goals to that which Europe managed to stave off almost a thousand years ago - thanks in large part to the Crusades of which the West is now ashamed. Today's jihad, as Spencer illustrates here, is proceeding on two fronts: one of violence and terror, and another of cultural shaming and the rewriting of history. Here is a devastating riposte to that revisionism -- and a clarion call for the defense of the West, before it is too late. -- Ibn Warraq, author, Why I Am Not a Muslim, editor, Leaving Islam and What the Koran Really Says Sweeping away the politically correct myths about a tolerant,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Ledger, Chronicling FF life, the lady saints arrive '05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Local paper, The Fairfield Ledger asks tough editorial questions: The larger question, though, is whether Amma's popularity in the Fairfield meditating community is a symptom of problems with in the TM movement itself. Pictures of Karunamayi 2005 visit to Fairfield: http://www.karunamayi.org/News/2005-Fairfield-Photos.shtml Karunamayi's 2005 visit chronicled: http://www.karunamayi.org/News/2005-FairfieldSummary.shtml In a shift of editorial policy, there's quite an editorial questioning the the health and policy of the TMO in Thursday's Ledger. Using the Ammachi visit to contrast with the policy and airs of the TMO the Ledger probes and makes some tough comparisons. snips Amma's humanitarian efforts- - contrast just as sharply with the TM movement's fundraising campaignsFaced with a choice between an organization that builds homes for the poor and one that builds palaces, it is no wonder many people would rather give their money to the former. If Maharishi's organization dropped some of its airs, it would be less likely to lose followers to Amma or any other guru. The TM movement can crown all the kings and build all the palaces it wants, but it could still learn a thing or two from a humble Indian woman who travels around the world giving hugs. Thursday's Fairfield Ledger July 14, `05 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as a question from someone who never lived in Fairfield, what is the official reaction of the TMO and the campus administration to TMers attending such events? I have heard rather conflicting stories over the years, about people having their dome badges lifted, etc., and even (here) about death threats to visiting teachers, and since I've never really spent any time there, don't know. If someone does, could they clear up the picture for me? Thanks in advance, Unc The TMO and the `Lady-saints' Their overt reaction (the TMO) has been a persistent coercively administrative one, which effectively has been reactionary, combative, adversarial and at times predator like. In total it has driven a lot of people away from supporting them. In effect the meditating movement has gone away from them (the TMO) mostly. On the one hand in the TMO they are down now to a few hundred true-believer types up there. On the other hand, in town here there may be a couple of thousand adult meditators left. The recent TMO teacher re-certification program effectively has again stripped away another number of true-believers from FF. While there are still possibly a couple thousand old-time adult meditators left here in the Fairfield/Jefferson County community the actual true-believer attending TMO types is really down to a very few hundred. There are very few people left associated with MUM as staff or faculty. Dome attendance is way down. The place is active and running still but with very few people left in it. What was noticeable this time with the Mother-saints coming through is that the effect of the `re-certification' TMO course was to relieve a lot of old-movement meditators/teachers of any responsibility to the TMO. A lot of Fairfield meditators came out to the meetings with both Karunnamayi and Ammachi. There were lots and lots of old-time meditators/TMO governors etc. at the meetings. A lot of people got darshan from the Mothers this time for the first time being free of the TMO. The meetings were really quite large for the meditating community, being like old-home week out with the saints. By contrast, I spoke yesterday with some folks who did not make it over to the meetings because they are still hostage to the TMO for the financial support they do need to send their kids to the Maharishi school. That urgency for some to be able to have their kids still attend the Maharishi School is still is a remaining bit of leverage that keeps people in line for the TMO. In listening to these folks, this administrative coercion over their inclinations also breeds quite a lot of resentment in these people for who it applies. Demographically, with our kids growing older and graduating out of here in recent years, quite a number of people have taken the opportunity to leave as this point arrives for them. The MSAE as a meditation-based alternative school has been a large draw and anchor to have brought people to live here. Certainly a good number of a couple thousand have chosen to remain living in FF after their kids graduate on and some other number of folks have moved to lives elsewhere after their kids have passed through the school. Particularly in the last few years there has been quite a departure of these folks. Certainly the administrative vindictiveness over the dome
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chronicling FF life, the lady saints arrive '05
--This has more to do with the mentality of the insecure one's who may be running things; I don't think Maharishi himself would mind people visiting another saint who was in town. He himself would visit with other saints in India, in the early days at Rishikesh... It has more to do with the unenlightened egos of the so-called gate keepers; it's always been that way around Maharishi, as he became more famous, and attracted more of the money people. Maharishi is definetly a more masculine vibration, then this woman saint. Many have felt Maharishi at times to be the vibration of Shiva, the destroyer of ignorance...Perhaps Amma is the vibration of Shakti, one is not better than the other, just masculine and feminine expressions of the God Source. Shiva seems to be able to disolve all the ignorance in the whole world, one atom at a time... - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The TMO and the `Lady-saints' Their overt reaction (the TMO) has been a persistent coercively administrative one, which effectively has been reactionary, combative, adversarial and at times predator like. In total it has driven a lot of people away from supporting them. In effect the meditating movement has gone away from them (the TMO) mostly. On the one hand in the TMO they are down now to a few hundred true-believer types up there. On the other hand, in town here there may be a couple of thousand adult meditators left. The recent TMO teacher re-certification program effectively has again stripped away another number of true-believers from FF. snip By contrast, I spoke yesterday with some folks who did not make it over to the meetings because they are still hostage to the TMO for the financial support they do need to send their kids to the Maharishi school. That urgency for some to be able to have their kids still attend the Maharishi School is still is a remaining bit of leverage that keeps people in line for the TMO. In listening to these folks, this administrative coercion over their inclinations also breeds quite a lot of resentment in these people for who it applies. From Scientology post: In fact, any other religious belief by a Scientologist is not even tolerated. Talk about your faith in Christ or about prayer in an auditing session and off to the Ethics Officer you will go for some PTS (Potential Trouble Source) handling because you are indulging in other practices. OT3, the level when a Scientologist learns about the alien cosmology and that religion is an implanted false reality, obviously ends any possibility of further illusion that Scientology can be compatible with ANY religious belief. * The TMO appears to have the equivalent of Ethics Officers and PTS (Potential Trouble Source) labels. Though perhaps not as formal. It's really catch as catch can. A stray remark can be interpreted as off the program by one person and not cause an eye-blink in another. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades
Go to http://www.pbs.org/now/thisweek/index_020405.html# and watch the segment David Brancaccio talks with Women for Women International's Zainab Salbi (10:19) I bet you didn't know women were being assassinated did you? Better stay home...and for God's sake, keep that veil on... A strong indicator of the health of a country is the status of it's women On Jul 17, 2005, at 7:23 AM, anonymousff wrote: When PC propagandists assure us that jihadist terror doesn't reflect true, peaceful Islam, they're not only wrong, theyr're dangerous -- because they lull America and the West into letting their guard down against its mortal enemy. And not only do self- appointed experts lie elaborately and persistently about Islam -- they have also replaced the truth about Christian Europe and the Crusades with an all-pervasive historical fantasy that is designed to make you ashamed of your own culture and heritage -- and thus less determined to defend it. But now there's a remedy: in The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades), Robert Spencer reveals all the disturbing facts about Islam and its murderous hostility to the West that other books ignore, softpedal -- or simply lie about. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trouble is, ice-cream makes me fat and Mondays are evil. These are the real demons. If they bother you, I strongly recommend Vaj's Chod technique. Nah, I just refuse to work on Mondays (true). Never work Mondays. It works like a charm. Yes, it is interesting how we sometimes work out ways to live with our demons -- i.e., let them rule parts of our lives -- rather than heal them, until that precise moment when we no longer do. I wonder about this inner sense of timing we have, of resistance to our own good -- fascinating! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades
When I was a kid, we used to get sick of hearing about wars int he Middle East. Everyone used too say, we should just drop a bomb on em and put them out of their misery. Well at least good old Bush has the balls to relinquish old fashioned thought and laissez faire mentality to go ahead and do it. You know, I'm a lot like him too. If I don't like someone I poke them until they get pissed then when they rear up I hit em. He started it! It's good chess playing. So what if the bully hadn't been one until he was pushed into a corner. Oh yeah, the Crusades. The escapades of the Cross. I'm sure glad Jesus thought of it. - Original Message - From: anonymousff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 6:23 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades When PC propagandists assure us that jihadist terror doesn't reflect "true," "peaceful" Islam, they're not only wrong, theyr're dangerous -- because they lull America and the West into letting their guard down against its mortal enemy. And not only do self-appointed "experts" lie elaborately and persistently about Islam -- they have also replaced the truth about Christian Europe and the Crusades with an all-pervasive historical fantasy that is designed to make you ashamed of your own culture and heritage -- and thus less determined to defend it. But now there's a remedy: in The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades), Robert Spencer reveals all the disturbing facts about Islam and its murderous hostility to the West that other books ignore, softpedal --or simply lie about.This book is a unique guide to the bloody teachings and history of Islam, and to the Crusades that still stand today as the Western world's most sustained and successful defense against the warrior hordes who were inspired by those teachings. Exposing myth after myth of the "Islam means peace" establishment, Spencer (director of JihadWatch.com and the bestselling author of Islam Unveiled and Onward Muslim Soldiers) here tackles all the hot-button issues regarding Islam and the Crusades.Not "politically correct" -- just true:The Crusades: unprovoked Western aggression? How, in fact, Muslims armies overran the predominantly Christian Middle East, then drove deep into Europe long before any Crusade was even contemplated -- and did so in obedience to core teachings of the Islamic faithHow the much-ballyhooed (and grossly exaggerated) "Golden Age" of Islamic culture was largely inspired by non-MuslimsMuhammed: the "Perfect Man"? That's how Muslims regard him. Details about his licentiousness, cruelty, and ruthless ambition that make him a dangerous role modelMuhammad as "Prophet": how he received convenient "revelations" that justified his insatiable lusts and numerous marriages -- including one to a 9-year-old girlHow Muhammad ordered -- and rejoiced in -- the assassinations of his enemies. How he lied and broke treaties as a matter of courseMuhammad vs. Jesus: proof that Christianity teaches peace and Islam violence -- and that there is nothing in the Bible that rivals the Qur'an's exhortations to warfareThe stifling effect Islam has on science and free inquiry, accounting for its failure to prosper -- and hence for its murderous envy of the WestThe ghastly lure of Islam's X-rated Paradise for suicide bombers and jihad terrorists Islamic law: how it institutionalizes oppression of Christians, Jews and other non-Muslims in Islamic societiesHow the Qur'an and Islamic law treat women as nothing more or less than possessions of menIslam's only overarching moral principle: "if it's good for Islam, it's right"Why Western leaders who think non-Muslims can "win hearts and minds" among Islamic jihadists are naïveWhy modern-day jihad warriors despise democracy and will do all they can to resist itFilmmaker Theo van Gogh: murdered on an Amsterdam street in broad daylight for offending Muslims -- and other signs that violent Islamic intimidation has come to the WestWhy Europe could be Islamic by the end of the twenty-first centuryAbove all, Spencer details how the jihad that the non-Muslim world faces today is in direct continuity with the one the Crusaders fought against. It continues today in Europe and even in America while pressure groups intimidate the media into silence about the real nature and goals of Islam. The whitewashed Islam they present, argues Spencer, hinders our ability to defend ourselves against Islamic terror. Spencer also explains here what we must do to stop the jihad onslaught not only militarily, but culturally. He maintains that we will not be able to defeat today's Islamic jihad without recovering pride in the superiority -- yes, superiority -- of Western, Christian civilization. If we surrender our culture, he warns, soon we will be surrendering our homes. But here at last is a book that helps you reclaim the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Ledger, Chronicling FF life, the lady saints arrive '05
on 7/17/05 1:00 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/16/05 5:09 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except that more ethical movements, such as Amma's are relatively free of it. Do they havethe cash flow of the TMO? HOw do you know? Quite a bit less, I think. Until she can talk in terms of billion dollar projects, you can't judge her ethics at the same level as the TMO's. So in other words, those who manage millions of dollars ethically can't be compared with those who mismanage hundreds of millions. Is that what you're saying? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
on 7/17/05 4:26 AM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is it we¹re trying to tell him? Whatever it is, I don¹t think he wants to hear it. So we could hire the Goodyear Blimp and fly it over Vlodrop with our message in neon on the side, and it would still be ignored or scoffed at. What is it... That's another matter. Not worth discussing until the first is sorted. I don't think he wants to hear it... It is hard for me to believe that he could have built up this movement and be that stupid. May be I just don't want to believe it. Maharishi's approach has always been, we tell people what we want to tell them, not what they want to hear. I've heard him say that many times. He doesn't believe the common man is qualified to know what's good for him. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
on 7/16/05 6:39 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] I haven't even HEARD about the offspring thing before. Share! Share! . Oh Gawd here we go again with the unsubstantiated slanderous made up rumours. Why do you encourage this nonsense? It's called being sarcastic... One wonders if Ricks current guru would approve of him spreading rumors about MMY... She would be horrified and disgusted. Amma never criticizes other gurus by name, but she is outspoken about the principles she expects a guru to abide by. Here's something I found on another forum: Amma quote Someone posted the following on the Amma chat group and I¹m posting it here as it pertains to various recent and past threads here. A true Spiritual Master is beyond the mind and the ego. In such a master, all the sexual energy has been converted into pure vital energy, which he or she uses for the ultimate good of the world...All desires exist in the mind. Once the mind is dissolved, there can be no question of having any desires. In that state no desire remains. The so-called gurus who exploit their disciples--sexually or otherwise, or who try to force their ideas on people are not true masters--far from it! They are still strongly identified with their minds and desires... A true master, even though he or she is beyond all laws and limitations, must strictly adhere to moral and ethical codes. ...A number of the Westerners she had healed had suffered from betrayal by spiritual leaders who abused them financially, sexually or emotionally. Spiritual betrayal is one of the deepest wounds that one can inflict on another, and one of the hardest to heal. Amma says that many have lost their faith in spiritual masters and spirituality because of these incidents. But she has counseled those so wounded not to lose faith or give up hope--that the energy they devoted to their spiritual practice, even under a false master, was not wasted. She says: The power you have acquired through your spiritual practices is still there, because...what you have gained through your own efforts cannot be lost. Only being in the presence of a Self- Realized master can heal the deep wounds of the heart, which have been caused by a false guru or spiritual teacher. A person so healed of spiritual betrayal will receive the necessary strength to prevent them from ever being hurt again, because they will no longer be vulnerable to those psychological wounds. Sincere seekers who have the mental strength, courage and spiritual understanding to overcome their initial shock and disappointment, realize that they made an unfortunate mistake in trusting a false teacher. The genuine seeker will immediately leave the false teacher and search for a perfect master who can lead him or her to the goal of God-Realization. Such a seeker will certainly find a real master. The master will appear in his or her life, without them having to wander about looking for a teacher. This will happen because of the disciple's sincerity amd intense longing... Here, without naming names, Amma has clearly described the false teacher and what they do, and the effects of what they do, and her healing function in these cases, in recognizable terms. Most seekers, at least in the West, have either been betrayed by one or more of the many such false spiritual teachers, with cults of enthusiastic followers, who exhibit certain siddhis along with binding spiritual experiences, or are otherwise aware of those who have experienced such betrayal, and who are therefore rightly sensitive to any hint of scandal by so-called enlightened gurus. Most experienced people by now are aware that spiritual experiences are not proof of enlightenment; that enthusiastic devotees talking about how great the experiences are, describing unverifiable proofs, and with elaborate rationalizations, can be found in many cults; that sometime gurus have secrets; and that organizational problems can exist even around 'real' Gurus. To not discuss the information needed to address concerns promptly and directly, or to not recognize possible cultic tendencies of avoidance simply because Amma is 'real', is insufficient, IMO. Many outside this group value Amma while remaining vigilant about cultic aspects in the organization. And, I know of an extreme case, discussed on another forum, where someone became disillusioned during Devi Bhava because of the crowd control practices despite a sense of the benign presence. Others may come, take a look at all the goods being sold, and at Amma driving up in an expensive vehicle, have no knowledge of the finances and if they are used as advertised, and have reasonable concerns because there are classic cultic appearances in public gatherings. If charges
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/17/05 4:26 AM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is it we¹re trying to tell him? Whatever it is, I don¹t think he wants to hear it. So we could hire the Goodyear Blimp and fly it over Vlodrop with our message in neon on the side, and it would still be ignored or scoffed at. What is it... That's another matter. Not worth discussing until the first is sorted. I don't think he wants to hear it... It is hard for me to believe that he could have built up this movement and be that stupid. May be I just don't want to believe it. Maharishi's approach has always been, we tell people what we want to tell them, not what they want to hear. I've heard him say that many times. He doesn't believe the common man is qualified to know what's good for him. Amen. And you can extend that to his vision of his students as well. That's the source of many of the policies that are being discussed here lately. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation
on 7/17/05 6:42 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I wasn't. Someone I know went to her Ashram in India several years ago and had just come back. One day Amma was walking outside with the students. They came across one of the students shovelling out the sewer and having to stand in it to do so, as his work study job. I think he looked a bit put off by it, or said something, so Amma jumped in and started scooping the sh!t (with her hands I think?), and saying something along the lines of how everything, even such a job, is enjoyable and bliss or some such thing. The guy that told me this was impressed by it. It just reminded me of some bosses who would do some part of your job for an hour or so, and putting you down for not LOVING it because they loved it so much for an hour. Whereas I had been doing the same thing for days (physical ) and was not hired for that. I work for myself now. Ed Beckley witnessed that event and told the story in his book, Dance of a Rich Yogi. Amma doesn't shovel shit every day, but let you or me try hugging thousands daily and see how long we last. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation
Ed Beckley witnessed that event and told the story in his book, Dance of aRich Yogi. Amma doesn't shovel shit every day, but let you or me tryhugging thousands daily and see how long we last. I don't think men could really do the job. There's the having to explain the erection thing. Unless you're Leo Buscalia. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Email from an old friend
Title: Email from an old friend Glad you wrote b/c I've gotta tell you that the recent FF Ledger article was a real shame. You're just like a TM-exer. You should know that you've succeeded in alienating a good friend. Nothing more to say. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
Thank you Rick, for the clarification of false and real Guru, explained by Amma. It is exactly what I have had in mind. Ingegerd Amma never criticizes other gurus by name, but she is outspoken about the principles she expects a guru to abide by. Here's something I found on another forum: Amma quote Someone posted the following on the Amma chat group and I¹m posting it here as it pertains to various recent and past threads here. A true Spiritual Master is beyond the mind and the ego. In such a master, all the sexual energy has been converted into pure vital energy, which he or she uses for the ultimate good of the world...All desires exist in the mind. Once the mind is dissolved, there can be no question of having any desires. In that state no desire remains. The so-called gurus who exploit their disciples--sexually or otherwise, or who try to force their ideas on people are not true masters--far from it! They are still strongly identified with their minds and desires... A true master, even though he or she is beyond all laws and limitations, must strictly adhere to moral and ethical codes. ...A number of the Westerners she had healed had suffered from betrayal by spiritual leaders who abused them financially, sexually or emotionally. Spiritual betrayal is one of the deepest wounds that one can inflict on another, and one of the hardest to heal. Amma says that many have lost their faith in spiritual masters and spirituality because of these incidents. But she has counseled those so wounded not to lose faith or give up hope--that the energy they devoted to their spiritual practice, even under a false master, was not wasted. She says: The power you have acquired through your spiritual practices is still there, because...what you have gained through your own efforts cannot be lost. Only being in the presence of a Self- Realized master can heal the deep wounds of the heart, which have been caused by a false guru or spiritual teacher. A person so healed of spiritual betrayal will receive the necessary strength to prevent them from ever being hurt again, because they will no longer be vulnerable to those psychological wounds. Sincere seekers who have the mental strength, courage and spiritual understanding to overcome their initial shock and disappointment, realize that they made an unfortunate mistake in trusting a false teacher. The genuine seeker will immediately leave the false teacher and search for a perfect master who can lead him or her to the goal of God-Realization. Such a seeker will certainly find a real master. The master will appear in his or her life, without them having to wander about looking for a teacher. This will happen because of the disciple's sincerity amd intense longing... Here, without naming names, Amma has clearly described the false teacher and what they do, and the effects of what they do, and her healing function in these cases, in recognizable terms. Most seekers, at least in the West, have either been betrayed by one or more of the many such false spiritual teachers, with cults of enthusiastic followers, who exhibit certain siddhis along with binding spiritual experiences, or are otherwise aware of those who have experienced such betrayal, and who are therefore rightly sensitive to any hint of scandal by so-called enlightened gurus. Most experienced people by now are aware that spiritual experiences are not proof of enlightenment; that enthusiastic devotees talking about how great the experiences are, describing unverifiable proofs, and with elaborate rationalizations, can be found in many cults; that sometime gurus have secrets; and that organizational problems can exist even around 'real' Gurus. To not discuss the information needed to address concerns promptly and directly, or to not recognize possible cultic tendencies of avoidance simply because Amma is 'real', is insufficient, IMO. Many outside this group value Amma while remaining vigilant about cultic aspects in the organization. And, I know of an extreme case, discussed on another forum, where someone became disillusioned during Devi Bhava because of the crowd control practices despite a sense of the benign presence. Others may come, take a look at all the goods being sold, and at Amma driving up in an expensive vehicle, have no knowledge of the finances and if they are used as advertised, and have reasonable concerns because there are classic cultic appearances in public gatherings. If charges are made and the correct information is not rapidly available to respond, many people will draw inferrences from their own past experiences, valid or not. Only being in the presence of a Self-Realized master can heal the deep wounds of the heart, which have been caused by a false guru or spiritual teacher. I believe doing what serves facilitating those so previously harmed to be in Amma's presence to be healed by
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades
It's not about who started it. It's about what are we going to do in order to stop it. You sometimes like a person walking by and noticing a man drowning in the river yelling Help, Help.. and all he can say to the poor fellow is: Sorry, it is your own karma that got you into it. and continue walking. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was a kid, we used to get sick of hearing about wars int he Middle East. Everyone used too say, we should just drop a bomb on em and put them out of their misery. Well at least good old Bush has the balls to relinquish old fashioned thought and laissez faire mentality to go ahead and do it. You know, I'm a lot like him too. If I don't like someone I poke them until they get pissed then when they rear up I hit em. He started it! It's good chess playing. So what if the bully hadn't been one until he was pushed into a corner. Oh yeah, the Crusades. The escapades of the Cross. I'm sure glad Jesus thought of it. - Original Message - From: anonymousff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 6:23 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades When PC propagandists assure us that jihadist terror doesn't reflect true, peaceful Islam, they're not only wrong, theyr're dangerous -- because they lull America and the West into letting their guard down against its mortal enemy. And not only do self- appointed experts lie elaborately and persistently about Islam -- they have also replaced the truth about Christian Europe and the Crusades with an all-pervasive historical fantasy that is designed to make you ashamed of your own culture and heritage -- and thus less determined to defend it. But now there's a remedy: in The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades), Robert Spencer reveals all the disturbing facts about Islam and its murderous hostility to the West that other books ignore, softpedal -- or simply lie about. This book is a unique guide to the bloody teachings and history of Islam, and to the Crusades that still stand today as the Western world's most sustained and successful defense against the warrior hordes who were inspired by those teachings. Exposing myth after myth of the Islam means peace establishment, Spencer (director of JihadWatch.com and the bestselling author of Islam Unveiled and Onward Muslim Soldiers) here tackles all the hot-button issues regarding Islam and the Crusades. Not politically correct -- just true: The Crusades: unprovoked Western aggression? How, in fact, Muslims armies overran the predominantly Christian Middle East, then drove deep into Europe long before any Crusade was even contemplated -- and did so in obedience to core teachings of the Islamic faith How the much-ballyhooed (and grossly exaggerated) Golden Age of Islamic culture was largely inspired by non-Muslims Muhammed: the Perfect Man? That's how Muslims regard him. Details about his licentiousness, cruelty, and ruthless ambition that make him a dangerous role model Muhammad as Prophet: how he received convenient revelations that justified his insatiable lusts and numerous marriages -- including one to a 9-year-old girl How Muhammad ordered -- and rejoiced in -- the assassinations of his enemies. How he lied and broke treaties as a matter of course Muhammad vs. Jesus: proof that Christianity teaches peace and Islam violence -- and that there is nothing in the Bible that rivals the Qur'an's exhortations to warfare The stifling effect Islam has on science and free inquiry, accounting for its failure to prosper -- and hence for its murderous envy of the West The ghastly lure of Islam's X-rated Paradise for suicide bombers and jihad terrorists Islamic law: how it institutionalizes oppression of Christians, Jews and other non-Muslims in Islamic societies How the Qur'an and Islamic law treat women as nothing more or less than possessions of men Islam's only overarching moral principle: if it's good for Islam, it's right Why Western leaders who think non-Muslims can win hearts and minds among Islamic jihadists are naïve Why modern-day jihad warriors despise democracy and will do all they can to resist it Filmmaker Theo van Gogh: murdered on an Amsterdam street in broad daylight for offending Muslims -- and other signs that violent Islamic intimidation has come to the West Why Europe could be Islamic by the end of the twenty-first century Above all, Spencer details how the jihad that the non-Muslim world faces today is in direct continuity with the one the Crusaders fought against. It continues today in Europe and even in America while pressure groups intimidate the media into silence about the real nature and goals of Islam. The whitewashed Islam they present, argues
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/17/05 4:26 AM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] with our message in neon on the side, and it would still be ignored or scoffed at. What is it... That's another matter. Not worth discussing until the first is sorted. I don't think he wants to hear it... It is hard for me to believe that he could have built up this movement and be that stupid. May be I just don't want to believe it. Maharishi's approach has always been, we tell people what we want to tell them, not what they want to hear. I've heard him say that many times. He doesn't believe the common man is qualified to know what's good for him. Its back to the Chinese word for crisis, wei chi, wei meaning danger and chi opportunity. MMY sees no crisis. Only when there is one will there be a chance for change. Whether it will be too late when it happens is another matter. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad you wrote b/c I've gotta tell you that the recent FF Ledger article was a real shame. You're just like a TM-exer. You should know that you've succeeded in alienating a good friend. Nothing more to say. That was not the email of a good friend; that appears to be someone addicted to judgment and conditional love, doesn't it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad you wrote b/c I've gotta tell you that the recent FF Ledger article was a real shame. You're just like a TM-exer. You should know that you've succeeded in alienating a good friend. Nothing more to say. Friend? If I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I would have the guts to betray my country. - E. M. Forster Countries, cults...same difference. I thought you told the truth. *That* is what your friend is upset about. *That* is the taboo you broke. Good for you. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
on 7/17/05 9:26 AM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad you wrote b/c I've gotta tell you that the recent FF Ledger article was a real shame. You're just like a TM-exer. You should know that you've succeeded in alienating a good friend. Nothing more to say. That was not the email of a good friend; that appears to be someone addicted to judgment and conditional love, doesn't it? Yeah, but I'm fond of the guy. I told him he can think what he wants about me, but he can't stop me from loving him. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
In a message dated 7/17/05 12:12:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An eviction noticed had been served and not honored. The owner of the Property had every right to remove the squatters, by any means necessary.Who was the owner of Fort Sumter? The state of South Carolina To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Master plays on lust and greed and power...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, plays on our lower nature's to transform them to higher ones... Since everyone in our culture is brainwashed to seek more and more of the qualities of lust, greed and power, and the Icons of our society, whether Mr. Bush Co. or Mr. Jagger Co. or Mr. Trump Co. or Mr. Murdoch Co, or Mr. Gates Co. and so on...seem to stand for these attributes, and the idulation of these Icons, then it is obvious that M appeals to these qualities: With the power of Siddhis, the status of Raja, the passionate dedication to the Master, the great building of gold, all of these things appeal to the sensibilities of the main stream, in the long run. In the meantime, he seems to be encouraging independent teaching, as we can see with Deepak and the other fellow, who has been a successful teacher. I think in the long run, M just wants to bring enlightenment to the world, in the name of his Master, and seems to attract to him the most wealthy, power-seeking, and dedicated people. In the end, it is like Mr. Dylan said, 'You can serve the devil, or you can serve the Lord, but you're gonna, have to serve somebody... Thats just dumb. He offers bliss concsoiusness and enlightenment. The rest is just dressing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
In a message dated 7/17/05 12:25:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The article below appears to give pretty convincing evidence the US Government owned Fort Sumter: Not aftersecession To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
In a message dated 7/17/05 10:20:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The article below appears to give pretty convincing evidence the US Government owned Fort Sumter: Not aftersecession Once the States seceded, the federal government ceased to exist and therefor any properties such as forts and armories became the properties of those states. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/17/05 12:12:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An eviction noticed had been served and not honored. The owner of the Property had every right to remove the squatters, by any means necessary. Who was the owner of Fort Sumter? The state of South Carolina Apparently not; they sold it to the US Government, or so says the article... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Email from an old friend
Some good friend...Nothing like judging, trying and convicting someone without a hearing. Sal On Jul 17, 2005, at 8:53 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Glad you wrote b/c I've gotta tell you that the recent FF Ledger article was a real shame. You're just like a TM-exer. You should know that you've succeeded in alienating a good friend. Nothing more to say.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but I'm fond of the guy. I told him he can think what he wants about me, but he can't stop me from loving him. Good answer :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/17/05 12:25:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The article below appears to give pretty convincing evidence the US Government owned Fort Sumter: Not after secession Hey, when you sell something to someone you can't just declare the bargain null and void and then try to evict them or kill them *lol* What kinda ethics they teaching you all down South, anyhow? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once the States seceded, the federal government ceased to exist and therefor any properties such as forts and armories became the properties of those states. That's the biggest pile of bull I ever heard. A sale is a sale. You can't afterwards just declare the buyer to be non-existent :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once the States seceded, the federal government ceased to exist and therefor any properties such as forts and armories became the properties of those states. That's the biggest pile of bull I ever heard. A sale is a sale. You can't afterwards just declare the buyer to be non-existent :-) Even though the American Indians (AFAIK) don't recognize the power of the Federal Government *over themselves* they don't try to reclaim the properties they sold to it, even though the US Gov't was guilty of innumerable treaty-breakings in their case. What excuse does South Carolina offer? This reeks of self-serving post-hoc justification to me. Though rather sympathetic to States' Rights in principle (and no great fan of a bloated and arrogant Federal Gov't), I just lost a little more respect for the South. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trouble is, ice-cream makes me fat and Mondays are evil. These are the real demons. If they bother you, I strongly recommend Vaj's Chod technique. Nah, I just refuse to work on Mondays (true). Never work Mondays. It works like a charm. Yes, it is interesting how we sometimes work out ways to live with our demons -- i.e., let them rule parts of our lives -- rather than heal them, until that precise moment when we no longer do. I wonder about this inner sense of timing we have, of resistance to our own good -- fascinating! I'm not sure you got it. I annihilated this particular demon. Fried it. pulverised it. Devoured it. Spat it out and Vaporized it. Mutha [EMAIL PROTECTED] demons stay away from me. I am the demon slayer master. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was a kid, we used to get sick of hearing about wars int he Middle East. Everyone used too say, we should just drop a bomb on em and put them out of their misery. Well at least good old Bush has the balls to relinquish old fashioned thought and laissez faire mentality to go ahead and do it. You know, I'm a lot like him too. If I don't like someone I poke them until they get pissed then when they rear up I hit em. Yea , those kind of guys ALWAYS loose in the end. They become scorned and forgotten. Grey shadows wandering in the dark. off_world To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure you got it. I annihilated this particular demon. Fried it. pulverised it. Devoured it. Spat it out and Vaporized it. Mutha [EMAIL PROTECTED] demons stay away from me. I am the demon slayer master. Do do you get to shack up with Buffy when that happens? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Getting through (Was: Guru Purnima Invitation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/16/05 6:39 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] I haven't even HEARD about the offspring thing before. Share! Share! . Oh Gawd here we go again with the unsubstantiated slanderous made up rumours. Why do you encourage this nonsense? It's called being sarcastic... One wonders if Ricks current guru would approve of him spreading rumors about MMY... She would be horrified and disgusted. Amma never criticizes other gurus by name, but she is outspoken about the principles she expects a guru to abide by. Here's something I found on another forum: Thanks. Can you condense the main points? ( acursery look suggests it has nothing to do with Maharishi's life or actions, except perhaps in your lost-yogi twisted mind). Amma quote Someone posted the following on the Amma chat group and I¹m posting it here as it pertains to various recent and past threads here. A true Spiritual Master is beyond the mind and the ego. In such a master, all the sexual energy has been converted into pure vital energy, which he or she uses for the ultimate good of the world...All desires exist in the mind. Once the mind is dissolved, there can be no question of having any desires. In that state no desire remains. The so-called gurus who exploit their disciples--sexually or otherwise, or who try to force their ideas on people are not true masters--far from it! They are still strongly identified with their minds and desires... A true master, even though he or she is beyond all laws and limitations, must strictly adhere to moral and ethical codes. ...A number of the Westerners she had healed had suffered from betrayal by spiritual leaders who abused them financially, sexually or emotionally. Spiritual betrayal is one of the deepest wounds that one can inflict on another, and one of the hardest to heal. Amma says that many have lost their faith in spiritual masters and spirituality because of these incidents. But she has counseled those so wounded not to lose faith or give up hope--that the energy they devoted to their spiritual practice, even under a false master, was not wasted. She says: The power you have acquired through your spiritual practices is still there, because...what you have gained through your own efforts cannot be lost. Only being in the presence of a Self- Realized master can heal the deep wounds of the heart, which have been caused by a false guru or spiritual teacher. A person so healed of spiritual betrayal will receive the necessary strength to prevent them from ever being hurt again, because they will no longer be vulnerable to those psychological wounds. Sincere seekers who have the mental strength, courage and spiritual understanding to overcome their initial shock and disappointment, realize that they made an unfortunate mistake in trusting a false teacher. The genuine seeker will immediately leave the false teacher and search for a perfect master who can lead him or her to the goal of God-Realization. Such a seeker will certainly find a real master. The master will appear in his or her life, without them having to wander about looking for a teacher. This will happen because of the disciple's sincerity amd intense longing... Here, without naming names, Amma has clearly described the false teacher and what they do, and the effects of what they do, and her healing function in these cases, in recognizable terms. Most seekers, at least in the West, have either been betrayed by one or more of the many such false spiritual teachers, with cults of enthusiastic followers, who exhibit certain siddhis along with binding spiritual experiences, or are otherwise aware of those who have experienced such betrayal, and who are therefore rightly sensitive to any hint of scandal by so-called enlightened gurus. Most experienced people by now are aware that spiritual experiences are not proof of enlightenment; that enthusiastic devotees talking about how great the experiences are, describing unverifiable proofs, and with elaborate rationalizations, can be found in many cults; that sometime gurus have secrets; and that organizational problems can exist even around 'real' Gurus. To not discuss the information needed to address concerns promptly and directly, or to not recognize possible cultic tendencies of avoidance simply because Amma is 'real', is insufficient, IMO. Many outside this group value Amma while remaining vigilant about cultic aspects in the organization. And, I know of an extreme case, discussed on another forum, where someone became disillusioned during Devi
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/17/05 6:42 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I wasn't. Someone I know went to her Ashram in India several years ago and had just come back. One day Amma was walking outside with the students. They came across one of the students shovelling out the sewer and having to stand in it to do so, as his work study job. I think he looked a bit put off by it, or said something, so Amma jumped in and started scooping the sh!t (with her hands I think?), and saying something along the lines of how everything, even such a job, is enjoyable and bliss or some such thing. The guy that told me this was impressed by it. It just reminded me of some bosses who would do some part of your job for an hour or so, and putting you down for not LOVING it because they loved it so much for an hour. Whereas I had been doing the same thing for days (physical ) and was not hired for that. I work for myself now. Ed Beckley witnessed that event and told the story in his book, Dance of a Rich Yogi. Amma doesn't shovel shit every day, but let you or me try hugging thousands daily and see how long we last. Good point. I think I'd rather shovel shit.but there is no way in this lifetime or any other I will ever do that anymore for the sake of enlightenment. I am the master of all my lifetimes now. Period. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed Beckley witnessed that event and told the story in his book, Dance of a Rich Yogi. Amma doesn't shovel shit every day, but let you or me try hugging thousands daily and see how long we last. I don't think men could really do the job. There's the having to explain the erection thing. Unless you're Leo Buscalia. I know, even a semi shows up for me. I couldn't do it. And huggin a man...yeeuchh.. ...gross. off_world To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad you wrote b/c I've gotta tell you that the recent FF Ledger article was a real shame. You're just like a TM-exer. You should know that you've succeeded in alienating a good friend. Nothing more to say. I like how Rick posts this kind of thing. It shows something at least. You are a lost-yogi in a grey and directionless mind zone. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
You mean like Rick did with Maharishi? (Maharishi who is obviously beloved by his friend). A friend does not go around saying your wife is a slut and a whore for example, especially with zero evidence. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some good friend...Nothing like judging, trying and convicting someone without a hearing. Sal On Jul 17, 2005, at 8:53 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Glad you wrote b/c I've gotta tell you that the recent FF Ledger article was a real shame. You're just like a TM-exer. You should know that you've succeeded in alienating a good friend. Nothing more to say. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure you got it. I annihilated this particular demon. Fried it. pulverised it. Devoured it. Spat it out and Vaporized it. Mutha [EMAIL PROTECTED] demons stay away from me. I am the demon slayer master. Do do you get to shack up with Buffy when that happens? What the [EMAIL PROTECTED] is Buffy? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trouble is, ice-cream makes me fat and Mondays are evil. These are the real demons. If they bother you, I strongly recommend Vaj's Chod technique. Nah, I just refuse to work on Mondays (true). Never work Mondays. It works like a charm. Yes, it is interesting how we sometimes work out ways to live with our demons -- i.e., let them rule parts of our lives -- rather than heal them, until that precise moment when we no longer do. I wonder about this inner sense of timing we have, of resistance to our own good -- fascinating! I'm not sure you got it. I annihilated this particular demon. Fried it. pulverised it. Devoured it. Spat it out and Vaporized it. Mutha [EMAIL PROTECTED] demons stay away from me. I am the demon slayer master. Oh, OK. My mistake. Somehow I missed your point that you had slain them, what with your refusing to work on Mondays and complaining that ice cream makes you fat, and saying these are the real demons and all :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But I guess if someone insults your guru based on false logic, it may be hard to accept for some people. I understand their position. Interesting. I don't think I have ever seen any false logic from Rick, myself. He seems pretty careful with his evidence. But I also understand his old friend's position -- it is that of the True Believer. Yes, they are becoming less numerous, at least in FF. Running into one in FF now is actually a bit of a shock these days, like suddenly hitting an iceberg after floating in a warm sea of Love. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once the States seceded, the federal government ceased to exist and therefor any properties such as forts and armories became the properties of those states. That's the biggest pile of bull I ever heard. A sale is a sale. You can't afterwards just declare the buyer to be non-existent :-) UNLESS you maybe want to go the route of denying that corporations have the legal rights of people, but I would think that would completely contradict the stance of BushCo and all your neo- con friends... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Email from an old friend
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad you wrote b/c I've gotta tell you that the recent FF Ledger article was a real shame. You're just like a TM-exer. You should know that you've succeeded in alienating a good friend. Nothing more to say. Ah, you threw his mind into a tizzy. Now his pompous little self has to sulk and feel hurt. He should just let go and simply be. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trouble is, ice-cream makes me fat and Mondays are evil. These are the real demons. If they bother you, I strongly recommend Vaj's Chod technique. Nah, I just refuse to work on Mondays (true). Never work Mondays. It works like a charm. Yes, it is interesting how we sometimes work out ways to live with our demons -- i.e., let them rule parts of our lives -- rather than heal them, until that precise moment when we no longer do. I wonder about this inner sense of timing we have, of resistance to our own good -- fascinating! I'm not sure you got it. I annihilated this particular demon. Fried it. pulverised it. Devoured it. Spat it out and Vaporized it. Mutha [EMAIL PROTECTED] demons stay away from me. I am the demon slayer master. Oh, OK. My mistake. Somehow I missed your point that you had slain them, what with your refusing to work on Mondays and complaining that ice cream makes you fat, and saying these are the real demons and all :-) Well, the ice cream one I didn't slay yet. Don't think I'll bother. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But I guess if someone insults your guru based on false logic, it may be hard to accept for some people. I understand their position. Interesting. I don't think I have ever seen any false logic from Rick, myself.. Lol, that says something about you pal! :-) Off world He seems pretty careful with his evidence. But I also understand his old friend's position -- it is that of the True Believer. Yes, they are becoming less numerous, at least in FF. Running into one in FF now is actually a bit of a shock these days, like suddenly hitting an iceberg after floating in a warm sea of Love. :-) . Heh, heh. Know what you mean. off world To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
Ever heard of lateral thinking, abstract imegary, and connecting the dots to find out where it leads? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY has a wife? And Rick insulted her? I must have missed that. Sal On Jul 17, 2005, at 11:16 AM, off_world_beings wrote: You mean like Rick did with Maharishi? (Maharishi who is obviously beloved by his friend). A friend does not go around saying your wife is a slut and a whore for example, especially with zero evidence. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some good friend...Nothing like judging, trying and convicting someone without a hearing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad you wrote b/c I've gotta tell you that the recent FF Ledger article was a real shame. You're just like a TM-exer. You should know that you've succeeded in alienating a good friend. Nothing more to say. I'm wondering whether s/he actually meant s/he was no longer interested in being your friend, as opposed to feeling alienated from you with regard to this particular issue. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad you wrote b/c I've gotta tell you that the recent FF Ledger article was a real shame. You're just like a TM-exer. You should know that you've succeeded in alienating a good friend. Nothing more to say. I'm wondering whether s/he actually meant s/he was no longer interested in being your friend, as opposed to feeling alienated from you with regard to this particular issue. That wasn't phrased very clearly. What I meant: everybody is assuming your friend is kissing you off for good; but might s/he have meant only that s/he felt alienated from you about this particular issue? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean like Rick did with Maharishi? (Maharishi who is obviously beloved by his friend). A friend does not go around saying your wife is a slut and a whore for example, especially with zero evidence. Did you read the same article I did? In the article I read, Rick told the truth about what happened to him w.r.t. Amma and the dome badge. By comparison, two high-ranking members of the TM organization -- Wallace and Pearson -- lied through their teeth, on at least four occasions that were quoted in the article. And did you miss this part: Archer -- who says he had good experiences with Maharishi and doesn't wish the movement any ill -- doesn't question M.U.M.'s right to decide who can and can't meditate in the domes. And this one? I feel they lose the respect of a lot of people, said Archer, and they also box themselves in and run the risk, which I think has been to a great degree realized, of becoming very cult-like. That's all Rick said about Maharishi in the article. All. The only other times he's quoted he's talking about Amma. What he said of a factual nature was the truth, and what he said in the last section quoted above was opinion, and was clearly labeled as such. By comparison, the two TMO representatives quoted were compelled to lie. Could you please point out to me in the above quotes exactly where Rick spoke ill of Maharishi? Can you steer me to the section where he suggested anything remotely like your wife is a slut and a whore? You're running Cultthink, release 1.0, dude. It's old software, hideously outdated, and the software didn't work for shit when it was new. You're seeing things that aren't there. As I said earlier about Rick's friend, I think that if you examine the article, and what was actually said, what you are pissed off about is that Rick committed the horrible sin of telling the truth, and in public. Unc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some good friend...Nothing like judging, trying and convicting someone without a hearing. Sal On Jul 17, 2005, at 8:53 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Glad you wrote b/c I've gotta tell you that the recent FF Ledger article was a real shame. You're just like a TM-exer. You should know that you've succeeded in alienating a good friend. Nothing more to say. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean like Rick did with Maharishi? (Maharishi who is obviously beloved by his friend). A friend does not go around saying your wife is a slut and a whore for example, especially with zero evidence. Did you read the same article I did? In the article I read, Rick told the truth about what happened to him w.r.t. Amma and the dome badge. By comparison, two high-ranking members of the TM organization -- Wallace and Pearson -- lied through their teeth, on at least four occasions that were quoted in the article. And did you miss this part: Archer -- who says he had good experiences with Maharishi and doesn't wish the movement any ill -- doesn't question M.U.M.'s right to decide who can and can't meditate in the domes. And this one? I feel they lose the respect of a lot of people, said Archer, and they also box themselves in and run the risk, which I think has been to a great degree realized, of becoming very cult-like. That's all Rick said about Maharishi in the article. All. The only other times he's quoted he's talking about Amma. What he said of a factual nature was the truth, and what he said in the last section quoted above was opinion, and was clearly labeled as such. By comparison, the two TMO representatives quoted were compelled to lie. Could you please point out to me in the above quotes exactly where Rick spoke ill of Maharishi? Can you steer me to the section where he suggested anything remotely like your wife is a slut and a whore? You're running Cultthink, release 1.0, dude. It's old software, hideously outdated, and the software didn't work for shit when it was new. You're seeing things that aren't there. As I said earlier about Rick's friend, I think that if you examine the article, and what was actually said, what you are pissed off about is that Rick committed the horrible sin of telling the truth, and in public. Unc I don't see it as the sin of telling the truth, but the sin of not agreeing with a particular mental position or belief about the perfection of MMY/TMO. MMY loves these true believers so much that he is willing to destroy his entire movement just to burn out these sanskaras. Is that true? I don't know, but it is a fun possibility, isn't it. Such Divine maddness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some good friend...Nothing like judging, trying and convicting someone without a hearing. Sal On Jul 17, 2005, at 8:53 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Glad you wrote b/c I've gotta tell you that the recent FF Ledger article was a real shame. You're just like a TM-exer. You should know that you've succeeded in alienating a good friend. Nothing more to say. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean like Rick did with Maharishi? (Maharishi who is obviously beloved by his friend). A friend does not go around saying your wife is a slut and a whore for example, especially with zero evidence. Did you read the same article I did? Ever heard of 'analogy'? article. And did you miss this part: Archer -- who says he had good experiences with Maharishi and doesn't wish the movement any ill -- doesn't question M.U.M.'s right to decide who can and can't meditate in the domes. And this one? I feel they lose the respect of a lot of people, said Archer, and they also box themselves in and run the risk, which I think has been to a great degree realized, of becoming very cult-like. That's all Rick said about Maharishi in the article. All. No , the article, which was based on his kind of thinking and I believe possible even instigated by him , or the reporter knew him and thought it was time for a story like that. Which is fine by me. I was talking about his friend whom the article insulted because as far as I remember the article went on to say that Amma is a philanthropist and Maharishi is a money grabber. Where did the reporter get this thining? This is an insult based on small thinking, poor logic, and unsubstantiated rumor. As I pointed out in previous post Maharishi has spent 40 years in the endeavor of education millions of people. Thousands, possibly tens of thousands (at least that is Maharishi's goal) will attend schools and universities created by Maharishi. (they are also fed there). Education is the only way to help people...not handouts and hugs. So the article of which Rick is probably the partial inspirer of, even if he may not know it (the reporter has probbaly been a reader of FFL for a long time, and no doubt Rick has been in correspondence with him/her or an associate of hers). If someone creates a free education for people, (like in India and other places), or even somewhat free, then when someone calls them a money grabber, it is kind of absurd. And it is based on irrationality and prejudice. If this is entirely the reporters own inspiration fair enoughsorry Rick...but my only point Turquoise was that his friend might be insulted if he calls his wife (someone beloved) a money grabbing control freak, and his friend is obviously fond of Maharishi as a guru beloved by him/her The only other times he's quoted he's talking about Amma. What he said of a factual nature was the truth, and what he said in the last section quoted above was opinion, and was clearly labeled as such. By comparison, the two TMO representatives quoted were compelled to lie. Could you please point out to me in the above quotes exactly where Rick spoke ill of Maharishi? Can you steer me to the section where he suggested anything remotely like your wife is a slut and a whore? You're running Cultthink, release 1.0, dude. It's old software, hideously outdated, and the software didn't work for shit when it was new. You're seeing things that aren't there. No, you are unable to see the mechanisms that go towards this article . It is your inability. I am only talking about how his friend might feel. I don't tell my friend who loves Jesus that Jesus was fraud and a fake, because it probably won't help them. As I said earlier about Rick's friend, I think that if you examine the article, and what was actually said, what you are pissed off about is that Rick committed the horrible sin of telling the truth, and in public. I am not pissed off . You lack depth of discernment, and assume I am pissed off. Your prejudice shows by this, because I was only talking about how I understand how his friend might feel. I don't give flying @%#$ if Rick published a paper on how Maharishi has 100 Rolls Royces and 1000 dancing girls. I really don't care. I was talking about his friend's reaction, and how he might feel that way. Not the way I feel, but your prejudice shows, by the fact you thought I am the one pissed off about the article. I don't care about. It is just an article. off world To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'If Rove is Finished, Is Bush Finished too?...'
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
Sure, but what does that have to do with what Rick has actually posted? Since he hasn't posted any insults, I'm afraid I don't see the connection. Sal On Jul 17, 2005, at 11:54 AM, off_world_beings wrote: ver heard of lateral thinking, abstract imegary, and connecting the dots to find out where it leads? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > MMY has a wife? And Rick insulted her? I must have missed that. > > Sal >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean like Rick did with Maharishi? (Maharishi who is obviously beloved by his friend). A friend does not go around saying your wife is a slut and a whore for example, especially with zero evidence. Did you read the same article I did? In the article I read, Rick told the truth about what happened to him w.r.t. Amma and the dome badge. By comparison, two high-ranking members of the TM organization -- Wallace and Pearson -- lied through their teeth, on at least four occasions that were quoted in the article. And did you miss this part: Archer -- who says he had good experiences with Maharishi and doesn't wish the movement any ill -- doesn't question M.U.M.'s right to decide who can and can't meditate in the domes. And this one? I feel they lose the respect of a lot of people, said Archer, and they also box themselves in and run the risk, which I think has been to a great degree realized, of becoming very cult-like. That's all Rick said about Maharishi in the article. All. The only other times he's quoted he's talking about Amma. What he said of a factual nature was the truth, and what he said in the last section quoted above was opinion, and was clearly labeled as such. By comparison, the two TMO representatives quoted were compelled to lie. Could you please point out to me in the above quotes exactly where Rick spoke ill of Maharishi? Can you steer me to the section where he suggested anything remotely like your wife is a slut and a whore? You're running Cultthink, release 1.0, dude. It's old software, hideously outdated, and the software didn't work for shit when it was new. You're seeing things that aren't there. As I said earlier about Rick's friend, I think that if you examine the article, and what was actually said, what you are pissed off about is that Rick committed the horrible sin of telling the truth, and in public. Unc I don't see it as the sin of telling the truth, but the sin of not agreeing with a particular mental position or belief about the perfection of MMY/TMO. MMY loves these true believers so much that he is willing to destroy his entire movement just to burn out these sanskaras. Is that true? I don't know, but it is a fun possibility, isn't it. Such Divine maddness. It could be, but I don't think so. I think he is thinking that this Kali Yug is not what he is working for.hence the Kings and Peace palaces and such like. He is saying : In full on Sat Yug, Kings will be enlightened and do only good for their people, and all people will be Brahmanie Cosmic Admistrators (Kings). This is the whole point. He is not working for our Kali Yug thinking, or our current social systems/politics. He is working for Sat Yug no matter what. Even if it doesn't work at first, he believes that eventually it will have an effect...even a residual one 300 years from now that will grow. And if it doesn't work at all, he beleives nothing else is worth doing. This is his perception. I am not saying I believe his methodolgy will work, or will not work, but I think this is his stated methodology. off world To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, but what does that have to do with what Rick has actually posted? Since he hasn't posted any insults, I'm afraid I don't see the connection. Sal http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/62769 off-world To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad you wrote b/c I've gotta tell you that the recent FF Ledger article was a real shame. You're just like a TM-exer. You should know that you've succeeded in alienating a good friend. Nothing more to say. Ah, you threw his mind into a tizzy. Now his pompous little self has to sulk and feel hurt. Yes, this is interesting in that Rick's friend apparently *identifies* with his own idealized image of his Guru -- that is, his sanitized concept of MMY stands in for his own Ahamkara or small- mind ego -- which in itself I suppose is simply a subtle concept as well... He should just let go and simply be. *lol* I see what you mean, but ... *Should* he? Do we *know* this to be true? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trouble is, ice-cream makes me fat and Mondays are evil. These are the real demons. If they bother you, I strongly recommend Vaj's Chod technique. Nah, I just refuse to work on Mondays (true). Never work Mondays. It works like a charm. Yes, it is interesting how we sometimes work out ways to live with our demons -- i.e., let them rule parts of our lives -- rather than heal them, until that precise moment when we no longer do. I wonder about this inner sense of timing we have, of resistance to our own good -- fascinating! I'm not sure you got it. I annihilated this particular demon. Fried it. pulverised it. Devoured it. Spat it out and Vaporized it. Mutha [EMAIL PROTECTED] demons stay away from me. I am the demon slayer master. Oh, OK. My mistake. Somehow I missed your point that you had slain them, what with your refusing to work on Mondays and complaining that ice cream makes you fat, and saying these are the real demons and all :-) Well, the ice cream one I didn't slay yet. Don't think I'll bother. In the immortal words of St. Augustine, Lord, make me perfect -- but not yet :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure you got it. I annihilated this particular demon. Fried it. pulverised it. Devoured it. Spat it out and Vaporized it. Mutha [EMAIL PROTECTED] demons stay away from me. I am the demon slayer master. Do do you get to shack up with Buffy when that happens? What the [EMAIL PROTECTED] is Buffy? The only Buffy I know of is this: http://www.buffyworld.com/ Never watched that show, but I think it's quite popular. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's all Rick said about Maharishi in the article. All. No , the article, which was based on his kind of thinking and I believe possible even instigated by him , or the reporter knew him and thought it was time for a story like that. Which is fine by me. I was talking about his friend whom the article insulted because as far as I remember the article went on to say that Amma is a philanthropist and Maharishi is a money grabber. Where did the reporter get this thining? Well, duh...could it possibly be that the reporter was a normal, thinking person? Given the two modus operandi of the two teachers, and no emotional attachment to either, who could NOT get that idea? This is an insult based on small thinking, poor logic, and unsubstantiated rumor. I disagree. I think that this is a conclusion that *any* thinking person would come to, given nothing more than the way the two teachers do business and what they charge for their services. I have no idea what you are referring to as unsub- stantiated rumor. NO rumor, substantiated or not, would be necessary for your normal man-off-the-street to susect that Maharishi was a bit of a money-grubber. You could learn that much just from the articles that make it into the mainstream press. As I pointed out in previous post Maharishi has spent 40 years in the endeavor of education millions of people. Thousands, possibly tens of thousands (at least that is Maharishi's goal) will attend schools and universities created by Maharishi. (they are also fed there). Education is the only way to help people...not handouts and hugs. If it really happens, I shall be the first to applaud it. So far, I haven't seen any convincing evidence that it has happened on a large scale so far, or that it is likely to happen on a large scale in the future. It hasn't happened on a large scale while he was alive, and I don't necessarily believe that the people who are in charge of his money (the nephews, not the TMO) are going to make it happen once he's gone. I would LOVE to be proved wrong about this. I would LOVE to see every penny spent on education and teaching people to meditate. I would LOVE to see pigs fly. So the article of which Rick is probably the partial inspirer of, even if he may not know it (the reporter has probbaly been a reader of FFL for a long time, and no doubt Rick has been in correspondence with him/her or an associate of hers). What was that you were saying earlier about unsub- stantiated rumor? :-) If someone creates a free education for people, (like in India and other places), or even somewhat free, then when someone calls them a money grabber, it is kind of absurd. And it is based on irrationality and prejudice. No, it is based on numbers. How MANY kids were educated by the TMO millions, possibly billions? How MANY schools have actually been built? How MANY times has Maharishi been to any of these schools to see how well his great work is going? THESE are the kinds of questions reporters ask. And they should. I don't really know the numbers. The only contact I have with the TMO these days is this forum and a.m.t., neither of which I trust as authoritative. There might be thousands of such schools right now in India. But I've really only heard about one or two. Those one or two could have been paid for by the interest on the interest of the TMO millions. Where did the rest go? If this is entirely the reporters own inspiration fair enoughsorry Rick...but my only point Turquoise was that his friend might be insulted if he calls his wife (someone beloved) a money grabbing control freak, and his friend is obviously fond of Maharishi as a guru beloved by him/her Well, I would call someone who reacts to their wife being called a whore by losing control and becoming angry some- one who's pretty attached and ungrounded, but that's just me. NONE of the language you use above was in the article. NONE of it. You PROJECTED it there, or the friend whose POV you're channeling projected it there. The actual article was as balanced a piece as I have EVER seen about a non-mainstream spiritual organization. The only other times he's quoted he's talking about Amma. What he said of a factual nature was the truth, and what he said in the last section quoted above was opinion, and was clearly labeled as such. By comparison, the two TMO representatives quoted were compelled to lie. Could you please point out to me in the above quotes exactly where Rick spoke ill of Maharishi? Can you steer me to the section where he suggested anything remotely like your wife is a slut and a whore? You're running Cultthink, release 1.0, dude. It's old software, hideously outdated, and the software didn't work
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
I'm not sure you got it. I annihilated this particular demon. Fried it. pulverised it. Devoured it. Spat it out and Vaporized it. Mutha [EMAIL PROTECTED] demons stay away from me. I am the demon slayer master. Do do you get to shack up with Buffy when that happens? What the [EMAIL PROTECTED] is Buffy? The only Buffy I know of is this: http://www.buffyworld.com/ Never watched that show, but I think it's quite popular. Never watched Buffy The Vampire Slayer?!!! You've missed out. It's actually tremendously clever. And Buffy is a babe-and-a-half. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
Hi. I don't know if I should be happy or sorry that I do not understand all the points written in FFL. I read the article, and I did not find anything insulting in it. Sometimes I am jumping in my chair when I read what some of you people writes. But the article did not make me jump at all. We have free press in a free democracy - so Rick, I stand by your side. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's all Rick said about Maharishi in the article. All. No , the article, which was based on his kind of thinking and I believe possible even instigated by him , or the reporter knew him and thought it was time for a story like that. Which is fine by me. I was talking about his friend whom the article insulted because as far as I remember the article went on to say that Amma is a philanthropist and Maharishi is a money grabber. Where did the reporter get this thining? Well, duh...could it possibly be that the reporter was a normal, thinking person? Given the two modus operandi of the two teachers, and no emotional attachment to either, who could NOT get that idea? This is an insult based on small thinking, poor logic, and unsubstantiated rumor. I disagree. I think that this is a conclusion that *any* thinking person would come to, given nothing more than the way the two teachers do business and what they charge for their services. I have no idea what you are referring to as unsub- stantiated rumor. NO rumor, substantiated or not, would be necessary for your normal man-off-the-street to susect that Maharishi was a bit of a money-grubber. You could learn that much just from the articles that make it into the mainstream press. As I pointed out in previous post Maharishi has spent 40 years in the endeavor of education millions of people. Thousands, possibly tens of thousands (at least that is Maharishi's goal) will attend schools and universities created by Maharishi. (they are also fed there). Education is the only way to help people...not handouts and hugs. If it really happens, I shall be the first to applaud it. So far, I haven't seen any convincing evidence that it has happened on a large scale so far, or that it is likely to happen on a large scale in the future. It hasn't happened on a large scale while he was alive, and I don't necessarily believe that the people who are in charge of his money (the nephews, not the TMO) are going to make it happen once he's gone. I would LOVE to be proved wrong about this. I would LOVE to see every penny spent on education and teaching people to meditate. I would LOVE to see pigs fly. So the article of which Rick is probably the partial inspirer of, even if he may not know it (the reporter has probbaly been a reader of FFL for a long time, and no doubt Rick has been in correspondence with him/her or an associate of hers). What was that you were saying earlier about unsub- stantiated rumor? :-) If someone creates a free education for people, (like in India and other places), or even somewhat free, then when someone calls them a money grabber, it is kind of absurd. And it is based on irrationality and prejudice. No, it is based on numbers. How MANY kids were educated by the TMO millions, possibly billions? How MANY schools have actually been built? How MANY times has Maharishi been to any of these schools to see how well his great work is going? THESE are the kinds of questions reporters ask. And they should. I don't really know the numbers. The only contact I have with the TMO these days is this forum and a.m.t., neither of which I trust as authoritative. There might be thousands of such schools right now in India. But I've really only heard about one or two. Those one or two could have been paid for by the interest on the interest of the TMO millions. Where did the rest go? If this is entirely the reporters own inspiration fair enoughsorry Rick...but my only point Turquoise was that his friend might be insulted if he calls his wife (someone beloved) a money grabbing control freak, and his friend is obviously fond of Maharishi as a guru beloved by him/her Well, I would call someone who reacts to their wife being called a whore by losing control and becoming angry some- one who's pretty attached and ungrounded, but that's just me. NONE of the language you use above was in the article. NONE of it. You PROJECTED it there, or the friend whose POV you're channeling projected it there. The actual article was as balanced a piece as I have EVER seen about a non-mainstream spiritual organization. The only other times he's quoted he's talking about Amma. What he
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Any meditators living in Fort Collins, Colorado
Thanks Rick as always. Mark On 7/16/05, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/16/05 10:42 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/16/05 1:26 AM, Mark Silverman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know of TMers living in Fort Collins, Colorado. Please have them contact me. Thanks We just moved here and it's really a cool place, plenty of good energy. Mark Here's Greg Poole, in Boulder: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now thats why I don't use my name. I'm sure they are nice and all that but are you sure Greg Poole wants so much contact with TM'rs. Most of us out here want to lead a simple life. Well, Greg probably wouldn't define himself as a TM'r. He's a pretty free spirit. But he's a great guy and might be able to refer Mark to some people and things around there. Greg posts here occasionally using his real name. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trouble is, ice-cream makes me fat and Mondays are evil. These are the real demons. If they bother you, I strongly recommend Vaj's Chod technique. Nah, I just refuse to work on Mondays (true). Never work Mondays. It works like a charm. Yes, it is interesting how we sometimes work out ways to live with our demons -- i.e., let them rule parts of our lives -- rather than heal them, until that precise moment when we no longer do. I wonder about this inner sense of timing we have, of resistance to our own good -- fascinating! I'm not sure you got it. I annihilated this particular demon. Fried it. pulverised it. Devoured it. Spat it out and Vaporized it. Mutha [EMAIL PROTECTED] demons stay away from me. I am the demon slayer master. Oh, OK. My mistake. Somehow I missed your point that you had slain them, what with your refusing to work on Mondays and complaining that ice cream makes you fat, and saying these are the real demons and all :-) Well, the ice cream one I didn't slay yet. Don't think I'll bother. In the immortal words of St. Augustine, Lord, make me perfect -- but not yet :-) Brilliant ! ! ! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure you got it. I annihilated this particular demon. Fried it. pulverised it. Devoured it. Spat it out and Vaporized it. Mutha [EMAIL PROTECTED] demons stay away from me. I am the demon slayer master. Do do you get to shack up with Buffy when that happens? What the [EMAIL PROTECTED] is Buffy? The only Buffy I know of is this: http://www.buffyworld.com/ Never watched that show, but I think it's quite popular. Oh ok, then the answer is DEFINATELY YES! to your question. (I thought it might be some Beavis and Butt Head thing) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
In the immortal words of St. Augustine, Lord, make me perfect -- but not yet :-) Brilliant ! ! ! Well, the actual quote is even more brilliant: Lord, make me celibate...but not yet. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You're running Cultthink, release 1.0, dude. It's old software, hideously outdated, and the software didn't work for shit when it was new. You're seeing things that aren't there. The word 'cult,' when used by *anyone*, is a thought-stopper. I'm fairly sensitive to it because I've had to fight such epithets It's sorta like calling any American who was against the rush to war after 9/11 a 'traitor.' The intent of hurling the epithet is to demean the person being called the name, to encourage other people in the audience to brand the person with that label, and thus to undercut anything that the targeted victim says by calling his or her credibility into question. You wouldn't like it much if the epithet 'cultist' was applied to you, right? If that's so, you might think about not trying to brand others with it. Just my opinion... (52055) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the immortal words of St. Augustine, Lord, make me perfect -- but not yet :-) Brilliant ! ! ! Well, the actual quote is even more brilliant: Lord, make me celibate...but not yet. :-) Often translated as Lord, make me *chaste*...but not yet :-) Since food is often viewed as a substitute for sex, I wonder if one could pray for ice-cream-chastity...but not yet? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
This is an insult based on small thinking, poor logic, and unsubstantiated rumor. I disagree. I think that this is a conclusion that *any* thinking person would come to, given nothing more than the way the two teachers do business and what they charge for their services. No, it invloves short term and localized thinking. You need to go beyond that. I have no idea what you are referring to as unsub- stantiated rumor. NO rumor, substantiated or not, would be necessary for your normal man-off-the-street to susect that Maharishi was a bit of a money-grubber. Yes, a man off the street can say anything. They are free to do so. Even if it half baked prejudice. You could learn that much just from the articles that make it into the mainstream press. As I pointed out in previous post Maharishi has spent 40 years in the endeavor of education millions of people. Thousands, possibly tens of thousands (at least that is Maharishi's goal) will attend schools and universities created by Maharishi. (they are also fed there). Education is the only way to help people...not handouts and hugs. If it really happens, I shall be the first to applaud it. So far, I haven't seen any convincing evidence that it has happened on a large scale so far, or that it is likely to happen on a large scale in the future. So that means he is not trying and putting all the money in a box to go in his grave? It is a stretch to get from I haven't seen the long term results yetto Maharishi is a money grabber It just shows your prejudice and everyone can see it. Its embarrassing. It hasn't happened on a large scale while he was alive, and I don't necessarily believe that the people who are in charge of his money (the nephews, not the TMO) are going to make it happen once he's gone. I would LOVE to be proved wrong about this. I would LOVE to see every penny spent on education and teaching people to meditate. And that is what you will see. So the article of which Rick is probably the partial inspirer of, even if he may not know it (the reporter has probbaly been a reader of FFL for a long time, and no doubt Rick has been in correspondence with him/her or an associate of hers). What was that you were saying earlier about unsub- stantiated rumor? :-) No, this has precedents. Rick himself said a while back that he had interest from a reporter to do something like this, and that the reporter got their idea for doing a story from FFL.Rick's posts and others. If someone creates a free education for people, (like in India and other places), or even somewhat free, then when someone calls them a money grabber, it is kind of absurd. And it is based on irrationality and prejudice. No, it is based on numbers. How MANY kids were educated by the TMO millions, possibly billions? How MANY schools have actually been built? How MANY times has Maharishi been to any of these schools to see how well his great work is going? THESE are the kinds of questions reporters ask. And they should. Agreed. They didn't ask those questions. And they didn't go to India for a month to find out, or anything like investigative reporting. If they did, they would have been astounded by what Maharishi does. I say the leader of China is a scooby doo fan. I have never been to China, and don't even know his name. Is that good reporting.? I don't really know the numbers. The only contact I have with the TMO these days is this forum and a.m.t., And that is why you have a prejudiced view. If this is entirely the reporters own inspiration fair enoughsorry Rick...but my only point Turquoise was that his friend might be insulted if he calls his wife (someone beloved) a money grabbing control freak, and his friend is obviously fond of Maharishi as a guru beloved by him/her Well, I would call someone who reacts to their wife being called a whore by losing control and becoming angry some- one who's pretty attached and ungrounded, but that's just me. NONE of the language you use above was in the article. NONE of it. You PROJECTED it there, or the friend whose POV you're channeling projected it there. The actual article was as balanced a piece as I have EVER seen about a non-mainstream spiritual organization. Ridiculous, naive, and uneducated. Are you kidding !? You call this investigative reporting? If they read this article and react the way Rick's friend did, I'm sorry, but that's drawing a line on stone. That person is rigid. I can't judge that. I would say if he loves Maharishi it is normal. And love should never be demeaned. I am not pissed off. You lack depth of discernment, and assume I am pissed off. Your prejudice shows by this, because I was only talking about how I understand how his friend might feel. I understand how he might feel, too. Been there, thought like
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You're running Cultthink, release 1.0, dude. It's old software, hideously outdated, and the software didn't work for shit when it was new. You're seeing things that aren't there. The word 'cult,' when used by *anyone*, is a thought-stopper. I'm fairly sensitive to it because I've had to fight such epithets It's sorta like calling any American who was against the rush to war after 9/11 a 'traitor.' The intent of hurling the epithet is to demean the person being called the name, to encourage other people in the audience to brand the person with that label, and thus to undercut anything that the targeted victim says by calling his or her credibility into question. You wouldn't like it much if the epithet 'cultist' was applied to you, right? If that's so, you might think about not trying to brand others with it. Just my opinion... (52055) Excellent point off world To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Ledger, Chronicling FF life, the lady saints arrive '05
7/17/05 1:00 AM, sparaig wrote: Until [Amma] can talk in terms of billion dollar projects, you can't judge her ethics at the same level as the TMO's. Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So in other words, those who manage millions of dollars ethically can't be compared with those who mismanage hundreds of millions. Is that what you're saying? This reminds me of the conservative argument that large governments cannot possibly manage money as efficiently as small governments. I suppose, also, the classical conservative view is that there's more room to hide graft in larger budgets. Having made that analogy, I'll leave it to Lawson to explain what he means. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 60,000 Years of Human Migration from Africa
See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4650307.stm Human settlers made it to the Americas 30,000 years earlier than previously thought, according to new evidence. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP Good site: lineages.http://www.duerinck.com/migrate.html Anthropologists have long speculated on the origins of the native populations in the Americas. One of the more recent theories holds that three distinct waves of immigrants--corresponding to three proposed linguistic groups among Native Americans (Amerind, Na-Dene and Eskaleut)--crossed the Bering strait from Asia no earlier than 13,000 years ago. Molecular anthropologist Theodore Schurr's research on genetic variation in the mitochondrial DNA of native populations in Asia and the Americas casts some doubt on this view. His research suggests that the first Americans may have come to the New World more than 30,000 years ago. Although there is concordance between the linguistic and genetic affinities of Na-Dene Indians and Eskimo-Aleuts, this type of linkage is less robust for the so- called Amerinds. According to Schurr the genetic evidence is, instead, more consistent with a complex migration pattern involving at least two ancient expansions of ancestral populations who may have come from widely separated parts of the Asian continent, as well as the re-expansion of Beringian populations into the New World following the last period of glaciation. http://www.americanscientist.org/template/Login;jsessionid=baa47lNtD9 Pzjr? nextpage=AssetDetailprint=yesassetid=14727fulltext=truemessage=Pa geAccessDeniedMessage#23964 The above site has a good haplogroup map of genetic migration to NA To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 60,000 Years of Human Migration from Africa
Goddamit ! I thought I covered up my footprints the last time we were here! Hey! Slarybardfast!.come over here a minute ! Off_world_beings --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4650307.stm Human settlers made it to the Americas 30,000 years earlier than previously thought, according to new evidence. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP Good site: lineages.http://www.duerinck.com/migrate.html Anthropologists have long speculated on the origins of the native populations in the Americas. One of the more recent theories holds that three distinct waves of immigrants--corresponding to three proposed linguistic groups among Native Americans (Amerind, Na- Dene and Eskaleut)--crossed the Bering strait from Asia no earlier than 13,000 years ago. Molecular anthropologist Theodore Schurr's research on genetic variation in the mitochondrial DNA of native populations in Asia and the Americas casts some doubt on this view. His research suggests that the first Americans may have come to the New World more than 30,000 years ago. Although there is concordance between the linguistic and genetic affinities of Na-Dene Indians and Eskimo-Aleuts, this type of linkage is less robust for the so- called Amerinds. According to Schurr the genetic evidence is, instead, more consistent with a complex migration pattern involving at least two ancient expansions of ancestral populations who may have come from widely separated parts of the Asian continent, as well as the re-expansion of Beringian populations into the New World following the last period of glaciation. http://www.americanscientist.org/template/Login;jsessionid=baa47lNtD9 Pzjr? nextpage=AssetDetailprint=yesassetid=14727fulltext=truemessage=Pa geAccessDeniedMessage#23964 The above site has a good haplogroup map of genetic migration to NA To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You wouldn't like it much if the epithet 'cultist' was applied to you, right? If that's so, you might think about not trying to brand others with it. Just my opinion... Actually, at this point, I welcome people's pointing out any cult- like weeds in my mental garden. How else will I root them out if I am overlooking them and everyone else is too polite to give me appropriate feedback? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Email from an old friend
Title: Email from an old friend Your 'friend' has missed the sense of the subtle elements which is all pervasive light. Thus he is no friend to anything at all. - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 8:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Email from an old friend Glad you wrote b/c I've gotta tell you that the recent FF Ledger article was a real shame. You're just like a TM-exer. You should know that you've succeeded in alienating a good friend. Nothing more to say. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades
So racially cleanse away pal. - Original Message - From: anonymousff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 9:06 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades It's not about who started it. It's about what are we going to do in order to stop it.You sometimes like a person walking by and noticinga man drowning in the river yelling "Help, Help.." and all he can sayto the poor fellow is: "Sorry, it is your own karma that got you into it." and continue walking.--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was a kid, we used to get sick of hearing about wars int he Middle East. Everyone used too say, we should just drop a bomb on em and put them out of their misery. Well at least good old Bush has the balls to relinquish old fashioned thought and laissez faire mentality to go ahead and do it. You know, I'm a lot like him too. If I don't like someone I poke them until they get pissed then when they rear up I hit em. He started it! It's good chess playing. So what if the bully hadn't been one until he was pushed into a corner. Oh yeah, the Crusades. The escapades of the Cross. I'm sure glad Jesus thought of it. - Original Message - From: anonymousff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 6:23 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades When PC propagandists assure us that jihadist terror doesn't reflect "true," "peaceful" Islam, they're not only wrong, theyr're dangerous -- because they lull America and the West into letting their guard down against its mortal enemy. And not only do self- appointed "experts" lie elaborately and persistently about Islam -- they have also replaced the truth about Christian Europe and the Crusades with an all-pervasive historical fantasy that is designed to make you ashamed of your own culture and heritage -- and thus less determined to defend it. But now there's a remedy: in The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades), Robert Spencer reveals all the disturbing facts about Islam and its murderous hostility to the West that other books ignore, softpedal -- or simply lie about. This book is a unique guide to the bloody teachings and history of Islam, and to the Crusades that still stand today as the Western world's most sustained and successful defense against the warrior hordes who were inspired by those teachings. Exposing myth after myth of the "Islam means peace" establishment, Spencer (director of JihadWatch.com and the bestselling author of Islam Unveiled and Onward Muslim Soldiers) here tackles all the hot-button issues regarding Islam and the Crusades. Not "politically correct" -- just true: The Crusades: unprovoked Western aggression? How, in fact, Muslims armies overran the predominantly Christian Middle East, then drove deep into Europe long before any Crusade was even contemplated -- and did so in obedience to core teachings of the Islamic faith How the much-ballyhooed (and grossly exaggerated) "Golden Age" of Islamic culture was largely inspired by non-Muslims Muhammed: the "Perfect Man"? That's how Muslims regard him. Details about his licentiousness, cruelty, and ruthless ambition that make him a dangerous role model Muhammad as "Prophet": how he received convenient "revelations" that justified his insatiable lusts and numerous marriages -- including one to a 9-year-old girl How Muhammad ordered -- and rejoiced in -- the assassinations of his enemies. How he lied and broke treaties as a matter of course Muhammad vs. Jesus: proof that Christianity teaches peace and Islam violence -- and that there is nothing in the Bible that rivals the Qur'an's exhortations to warfare The stifling effect Islam has on science and free inquiry, accounting for its failure to prosper -- and hence for its murderous envy of the West The ghastly lure of Islam's X-rated Paradise for suicide bombers and jihad terrorists Islamic law: how it institutionalizes oppression of Christians, Jews and other non-Muslims in Islamic societies How the Qur'an and Islamic law treat women as nothing more or less than possessions of men Islam's only overarching moral principle: "if it's good for Islam, it's right" Why Western leaders who think non-Muslims can "win hearts and minds" among Islamic jihadists are naïve Why modern-day jihad warriors despise democracy and will do all they can to resist it Filmmaker Theo van Gogh: murdered on an Amsterdam street in broad daylight for offending Muslims -- and other signs that violent Islamic intimidation has come to the West Why Europe could be Islamic by the end of the twenty-first century Above all, Spencer details how the jihad that the non-Muslim world faces today is in direct continuity with the one the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
The show is defunct and it was perhaps the greatest TV series ever. - Original Message - From: cardemaister To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 1:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Ledger, Chronicling FF life, the lady saints arrive '05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/16/05 5:09 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except that more ethical movements, such as Amma's are relatively free of it. Do they havethe cash flow of the TMO? HOw do you know? Quite a bit less, I think. Until she can talk in terms of billion dollar projects, you can't judge her ethics at the same level as the TMO's. Amma got a reward from Rotary in South India for her humanitarian work after the flood catastrophe last Christmas. So she is known in every Rotarian Club in the world for her work. Ingegerd I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply she was unethical, or not doing good work. I was merely pointing out that once an organization starts dealing with 10s or even 100s of millions of dollars, the temptations are far greater for all concerned. In MMY's case, he appears to be beyond temptation at least regarding money (no Malibu beach hideaways, I'm assuming, Rick?), but some here claim that his nephew (s) are not. Likewise, if Amma's organization starts dealing with money at that level and doesn't yield to temptation and corruption, you can claim it's better than the TMO, but not until then, in my opinion. The most famous charitable organization in the world, the International Red Cross, has been hit by scandal after scandal about misappropriation and embezzlement of funds, as a for instance... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades
You don't like Moslems, I take it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When PC propagandists assure us that jihadist terror doesn't reflect true, peaceful Islam, they're not only wrong, theyr're dangerous -- because they lull America and the West into letting their guard down against its mortal enemy. And not only do self- appointed experts lie elaborately and persistently about Islam -- they have also replaced the truth about Christian Europe and the Crusades with an all-pervasive historical fantasy that is designed to make you ashamed of your own culture and heritage -- and thus less determined to defend it. But now there's a remedy: in The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades), Robert Spencer reveals all the disturbing facts about Islam and its murderous hostility to the West that other books ignore, softpedal - - or simply lie about. This book is a unique guide to the bloody teachings and history of Islam, and to the Crusades that still stand today as the Western world's most sustained and successful defense against the warrior hordes who were inspired by those teachings. Exposing myth after myth of the Islam means peace establishment, Spencer (director of JihadWatch.com and the bestselling author of Islam Unveiled and Onward Muslim Soldiers) here tackles all the hot-button issues regarding Islam and the Crusades. Not politically correct -- just true: The Crusades: unprovoked Western aggression? How, in fact, Muslims armies overran the predominantly Christian Middle East, then drove deep into Europe long before any Crusade was even contemplated -- and did so in obedience to core teachings of the Islamic faith How the much-ballyhooed (and grossly exaggerated) Golden Age of Islamic culture was largely inspired by non-Muslims Muhammed: the Perfect Man? That's how Muslims regard him. Details about his licentiousness, cruelty, and ruthless ambition that make him a dangerous role model Muhammad as Prophet: how he received convenient revelations that justified his insatiable lusts and numerous marriages -- including one to a 9-year-old girl How Muhammad ordered -- and rejoiced in -- the assassinations of his enemies. How he lied and broke treaties as a matter of course Muhammad vs. Jesus: proof that Christianity teaches peace and Islam violence -- and that there is nothing in the Bible that rivals the Qur'an's exhortations to warfare The stifling effect Islam has on science and free inquiry, accounting for its failure to prosper -- and hence for its murderous envy of the West The ghastly lure of Islam's X-rated Paradise for suicide bombers and jihad terrorists Islamic law: how it institutionalizes oppression of Christians, Jews and other non-Muslims in Islamic societies How the Qur'an and Islamic law treat women as nothing more or less than possessions of men Islam's only overarching moral principle: if it's good for Islam, it's right Why Western leaders who think non-Muslims can win hearts and minds among Islamic jihadists are naïve Why modern-day jihad warriors despise democracy and will do all they can to resist it Filmmaker Theo van Gogh: murdered on an Amsterdam street in broad daylight for offending Muslims -- and other signs that violent Islamic intimidation has come to the West Why Europe could be Islamic by the end of the twenty-first century Above all, Spencer details how the jihad that the non-Muslim world faces today is in direct continuity with the one the Crusaders fought against. It continues today in Europe and even in America while pressure groups intimidate the media into silence about the real nature and goals of Islam. The whitewashed Islam they present, argues Spencer, hinders our ability to defend ourselves against Islamic terror. Spencer also explains here what we must do to stop the jihad onslaught not only militarily, but culturally. He maintains that we will not be able to defeat today's Islamic jihad without recovering pride in the superiority -- yes, superiority -- of Western, Christian civilization. If we surrender our culture, he warns, soon we will be surrendering our homes. But here at last is a book that helps you reclaim the glorious past of our civilization -- and thereby defend that civilization more effectively in the present. A clarion call for the defense of the West The jihad that the Western world faces today is identical in its motivations and goals to that which Europe managed to stave off almost a thousand years ago - thanks in large part to the Crusades of which the West is now ashamed. Today's jihad, as Spencer illustrates here, is proceeding on two fronts: one of violence and terror, and another of cultural shaming and the rewriting of history. Here is a devastating riposte to that revisionism -- and a clarion call
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
"You wouldn't like it much if the epithet 'cultist' was applied to you, right? If that's so, you might think about not trying to brand others with it. Just my opinion..."(52055)-Recently in New Orleans a woman was kicked out of a Starbucks for breast feeding at her table. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Purnima Invitation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [...] No I wasn't. Someone I know went to her Ashram in India several years ago and had just come back. One day Amma was walking outside with the students. They came across one of the students shovelling out the sewer and having to stand in it to do so, as his work study job. I think he looked a bit put off by it, or said something, so Amma jumped in and started scooping the sh!t (with her hands I think?), and saying something along the lines of how everything, even such a job, is enjoyable and bliss or some such thing. The guy that told me this was impressed by it. It just reminded me of some bosses who would do some part of your job for an hour or so, and putting you down for not LOVING it because they loved it so much for an hour. Whereas I had been doing the same thing for days (physical ) and was not hired for that. I work for myself now. My first boss (actually the owner) didn't claim to love it, but he did say that you had to do it that well in order to get do the job right (cleaning out the drain at the ice cream palor). And Amma's point was about enlightenment, I think, not about getting paid to do a job... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Ledger, Chronicling FF life, the lady saints arrive '05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/17/05 1:00 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/16/05 5:09 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except that more ethical movements, such as Amma's are relatively free of it. Do they havethe cash flow of the TMO? HOw do you know? Quite a bit less, I think. Until she can talk in terms of billion dollar projects, you can't judge her ethics at the same level as the TMO's. So in other words, those who manage millions of dollars ethically can't be compared with those who mismanage hundreds of millions. Is that what you're saying? Nope. I'm saying that the temptations become greater at the hundreds of millions mark. If nothing else, it becomes easier to skim off the top without being noticed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/17/05 9:26 AM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad you wrote b/c I've gotta tell you that the recent FF Ledger article was a real shame. You're just like a TM-exer. You should know that you've succeeded in alienating a good friend. Nothing more to say. That was not the email of a good friend; that appears to be someone addicted to judgment and conditional love, doesn't it? Yeah, but I'm fond of the guy. I told him he can think what he wants about me, but he can't stop me from loving him. I would have said: I'm sorry that what I did hurt you and made you angry, but I felt it was necessary to do it. Your telling him that you still love him was actually a put down. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad you wrote b/c I've gotta tell you that the recent FF Ledger article was a real shame. You're just like a TM-exer. You should know that you've succeeded in alienating a good friend. Nothing more to say. That was not the email of a good friend; that appears to be someone addicted to judgment and conditional love, doesn't it? Good point. I hate the way some TM'rs have to be part of the same crowd to be friendsbut they are in the minority of TM'rs. Most are not like that. But I guess if someone insults your guru based on false logic, it may be hard to accept for some people. I understand their position. Then saying its ok, I still love you certainly makes you feel all superior, eh? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: America = Liberal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure you got it. I annihilated this particular demon. Fried it. pulverised it. Devoured it. Spat it out and Vaporized it. Mutha [EMAIL PROTECTED] demons stay away from me. I am the demon slayer master. Do do you get to shack up with Buffy when that happens? What the [EMAIL PROTECTED] is Buffy? Buffy the Vampire Slayer. An amazingly good fantasy/horror spoof by Joss Wheedon that never was taken as seriously as it should have been. As an example, arguably the most important romantic relationship in the show, that lasted for about 5 years out of 7, was the lesbian romance between Buffy's best friend and another witch. The critics and so on never even mentioned it, but made a big deal about Ellen Degeneres coming out of the closet on HER show. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But I guess if someone insults your guru based on false logic, it may be hard to accept for some people. I understand their position. Interesting. I don't think I have ever seen any false logic from Rick, myself. He seems pretty careful with his evidence. But I also understand his old friend's position -- it is that of the True Believer. Yes, they are becoming less numerous, at least in FF. Running into one in FF now is actually a bit of a shock these days, like suddenly hitting an iceberg after floating in a warm sea of Love. :-) You mean the kind of love that dismisses genuine anger (justifiable or not in your own eyes) with It's OK, I still love you? Bullcrap. Immature, self-serving, I'm holier than thou, and you're an idiot for not seeing what I see, bullcrap. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad you wrote b/c I've gotta tell you that the recent FF Ledger article was a real shame. You're just like a TM-exer. You should know that you've succeeded in alienating a good friend. Nothing more to say. Ah, you threw his mind into a tizzy. Now his pompous little self has to sulk and feel hurt. He should just let go and simply be. Such nice sentiments from people about the breakup of a friendship. Can't any of you see that Rick is the one who is wrong here? Not for what he said or did that caused the anger (that's his business) but because he dismissed his friend's anger by the old copout it's OK, I still love you? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, but what does that have to do with what Rick has actually posted? Since he hasn't posted any insults, I'm afraid I don't see the connection. Sal It's OK, I still love you is possibly the ultimate insult from one adult to another. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad you wrote b/c I've gotta tell you that the recent FF Ledger article was a real shame. You're just like a TM-exer. You should know that you've succeeded in alienating a good friend. Nothing more to say. That was not the email of a good friend; that appears to be someone addicted to judgment and conditional love, doesn't it? Good point. I hate the way some TM'rs have to be part of the same crowd to be friendsbut they are in the minority of TM'rs. Most are not like that. But I guess if someone insults your guru based on false logic, it may be hard to accept for some people. I understand their position. Off World Then saying its ok, I still love you certainly makes you feel all superior, eh? Read more carefully you dope. You are way off track. Where do I say such a thing? Off World To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But I guess if someone insults your guru based on false logic, it may be hard to accept for some people. I understand their position. Interesting. I don't think I have ever seen any false logic from Rick, myself. He seems pretty careful with his evidence. But I also understand his old friend's position -- it is that of the True Believer. Yes, they are becoming less numerous, at least in FF. Running into one in FF now is actually a bit of a shock these days, like suddenly hitting an iceberg after floating in a warm sea of Love. :-) You mean the kind of love that dismisses genuine anger (justifiable or not in your own eyes) with It's OK, I still love you? Not exactly, I meant what I said: the kind of Love that feels like a warm sea, until one suddenly runs into another's ice-cold fear/judgment. I wouldn't characterize the iceberg as anger, because genuine anger served truthfully still feels like warmth and Love to me. The iceberg generally feels more like extremely fearful denial -- i.e., a deep Lie -- than anger to me. Bullcrap. Immature, self-serving, I'm holier than thou, and you're an idiot for not seeing what I see, bullcrap. Could very well be. I am just saying it is a genuine shock, that's all. And it may be bullcrap to you, but I am simply describing a particular experience as best I can. At certain frequencies (other than the undifferentiated Brahmanic all-this-is-THAT) some people feel warmer to me than others, and warmer generally feels better, freer, more highly energized, more rapidly-vibrating, more humorous, more liquid, more loving at this moment. Those same icebergs may be very warm indeed in other circumstances and/or with other people - - how am I to know? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Special Prosecutor; Rove Not Target of Investigation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only constitutional ammendment needed right now in this country is one that says that ONLY those rights given by Congress explicitly are available to corporations. This everything but the right to vote concept is insane. Agreed on that last point. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Email from an old friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, but what does that have to do with what Rick has actually posted? Since he hasn't posted any insults, I'm afraid I don't see the connection. Sal It's OK, I still love you is possibly the ultimate insult from one adult to another. Very true. off world To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
