[FairfieldLife] Teddy Roosevelt to blame for San Franscisco Earthquake
Danielle Crittenden www.huffingtonpost.com 09.01.2005 Up Next: Teddy Roosevelt to Blame for San Francisco Earthquake What will the left NOT blame on a Republican president? Here is the condensed wisdom of the liberal media on why the Bush administration is ultimately responsible for the disaster of Hurricane Katrina: Hurricane Katrina itself was a consequence of global warming. Apparently, before global warming, there were no hurricanesor maybe they just weren't so bad. But because of the Bush administration's failure to sign Kyoto, we got Katrina. Most of the disaster and human suffering that ensued can be blamed on Bush's war on terror. First, according to Sidney Blumenthal, the administration cut funding from a Louisiana flood control project in order to pay for the Iraq war. Then there weren't enough national guardsman to help with relief because they're all fighting in Iraq. And finally, because Homeland Security has been foolishly consumed with figuring out ways to protect the nation from a terrorist strike, it was not prepared for a strike by Mother Nature. But the disaster was also exacerbated by other Bush policies: Aid efforts to community clinics were blocked by faith-based relief organizations. And those burly men hauling stereos and televisions from abandoned Wal-Marts? They, and other looters, are victims of Bush's tax cuts. Indeed, one blogger suggests that the devastation of Katrina can ultimately be traced to another, more catastrophic historical event some decades ago. The HuffPo's Russell Shaw asserts that if only Jimmy Carter had beat Ronald Reagan, much of the suffering from the hurricane might have been much lessin fact, there might not have been a hurricane at all. So there you have it. Anyone who questions the plausibilityor decencyof making political hay out of a natural disaster before even the dead are counted and the victims rehoused is obviously blinded by Karl Rove's political propaganda (link pendinggive it 24 hours). And by the wayyou know those 18th-century developers who unwisely decided to build a city in what amounts to a geographical soup bowl? They were neo-cons. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: nature backlash?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It amazes me that just because MMY popularizes a technique of meditation aimed at transcending thought, all too many assume he knows lots of other stuff too. shame shame shame. He comes out with hokum, but because it is Maha-hokum, it's okay cos he's the guy who trademarked a meditation technique. Huh! His nonsense pronouncements do more harm to the TM cause than anything that TM-ex could have thought of! It's sadly true. After having lent credibility to meditation, and established it (at least for a short time) as a household word, and something that the mainstream population could benefit from, he spends his last decades taking its image in the other direction. Go figure. The other thing that, in my opinion, does the most harm to the idea of meditation as a valuable addition to one's life, is the knee-jerk reactions of those TBS who, having made (consciously or subconsciously) the decision that *because* he trademarked meditation everything he says is Maha-cool, feel that they have to defend the pronouncements that even *they* know are Maha-hokum. And so *seriously*. The one thing that turns off more people about religion and spirit- uality than anything else is the inability in people who represent it to laugh at themselves, and the often silly nature of their path and their belief system. In my experience, very few people ever react badly to the person with strong religious or spirit- ual beliefs who is *light* about them, and can poke fun of them when they deserve to be poked fun at. But the person who gets all *serious*, and reacts as if the fun-poking were a personal attack? They parade their insecurity to the world and call it faith. The world is rarely fooled, and calls it what it is. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/1/05 12:03:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, duh. It's a country full of idiots whose heads are filled with fantasies, money-grubbing war-mongers with low IQs. A few outright imbeciles, too. They never noticed the difference. :-) Were you ever in a marching band? Did it piss you off that everybody else played out of key and were out of step? Hey, dude...you're the one who still lives there... :-) Nah. Most of us live in the Unified Field. Though I do get pissed at some those bozons flying around. What was it the guys in the Firesign Theater used to say? We're all bozons on this bus. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The nature of the catastrophe, and the lack of Federal help; Deserves a look at our government; At the highest level. Where does the buck stop in the summer of 2005? R.Gimbel Seattle,WA..Usa. - Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. The USA is the only place in the world where 0.5 million dollar a day rescue effort with countless personel and equipment and an initial 10.5 billion dollar Fedral suplemental spending bill - 'the lack of Federal help'. In most places in the world many more people would die. Makes me understand Maya, JohnY ??? There are 200,000 people currently inside New Orleans from what I have read. Within a few days, they will ALL be sick or even dying. You tell me what your amazing rescue effort is accomplishing right now. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why No Rubber Rafts for Rescue...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/1/05 12:08:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2) Film crews assigned to show devastation aren't going to film the areas NOT affected, they are going to get the most sensational footage. Exactly So youthink that 1/2 of all New Orleans homes aren't under water to their roofs or beyond, or that 80% of the land area within the city isn't covered by at least several feet of water, or what? Ah, Spare Egg, now you're backing away from your definition of what under water is... What was my original definition? Seems to me that I've raised the bar, not lowered it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ ShockAwe/No Compassion?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/1/05 12:27:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You've made that up, Judy. Unless they were footage of Appalachian children from the 1960s, I've never seen footage of American children who were painfully skinny. Doesn't exist. You know it, I know it and everyone reading this newsgroup knows it. LOL! More Judy facts! I'm looking at a really skinny little girl on CNN at this very moment. The denial is extraordinary. And by the way, you haven't caught me in one single misstatement of fact, whereas I've caught you in *at least* half a dozen. And we all can feel how much that excites you and makes your day. And a lot of us react to that perception not with admiration for you, but with a sense of pity. Let it go. It's not about facts; it's about reinforcing your self, and using that inflated sense of self and self-rightness to keep from dealing with your enlightenment. Another pot kettle black momment from Unc, who feels compelled to find and point out Judy's every flaw whenever possible. So,just when are you two getting hitched, again? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Humans and chimps
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new finding implies that humans have led sexually virtuous lives for the last six million years, at least in comparison with the flamboyant promiscuity of chimpanzees. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/01/science/01chimp.html So get it ON, people!!! Are you going to be outdone by a bunch of chimps? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Humans and chimps
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new finding implies that humans have led sexually virtuous lives for the last six million years, at least in comparison with the flamboyant promiscuity of chimpanzees. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/01/science/01chimp.html So get it ON, people!!! Are you going to be outdone by a bunch of chimps? Heh. Exchange I once saw on a biology newsgroup. Turned it into a sig but no- one gets it: Q: what do you get when you cross a human with a bonobo chimp? A: Boy! You'll do anything to find a date, won't you? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The nature of the catastrophe, and the lack of Federal help; Deserves a look at our government; At the highest level. Where does the buck stop in the summer of 2005? R.Gimbel Seattle,WA..Usa. - Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. The USA is the only place in the world where 0.5 million dollar a day rescue effort with countless personel and equipment and an initial 10.5 billion dollar Fedral suplemental spending bill - 'the lack of Federal help'. In most places in the world many more people would die. Makes me understand Maya, JohnY ??? There are 200,000 people currently inside New Orleans from what I have read. Within a few days, they will ALL be sick or even dying. You tell me what your amazing rescue effort is accomplishing right now. It's not my amazing rescue effort. How would I know what it being acomplished right now? I doubt that all of the possible 200,000 will all be sick or dying within a few days. I was commenting that the massive Federal effort was seen (after being distorted by the media) as a lack of help. No matter how big the government it can't protect everyone from natural disaster - especially if those suffering live 10-12 feet below sea level. I was involved in a large flood relief effort along the Susquehanna River in 1972. After getting an itinerant TM teacher across the last remaining open bridge I was stuck for several weeks with a local fire dept after the family house was flooded. Food by helicopter, rescue by boat, shoveling mud etc, looting, national guard - the whole works. Everyone did the best they could... people died, dikes broke, bodies floating in the back yard, houses in the back yard... ya I know about it. It was remarkable all that was accomplished despite all the grumbling by folks who didn't understand what was going on. Parts of many communities where never rebuilt. Dikes where rebuilt and rasied. In 1977 it almost happened again... I don't live in the flood plain. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Testing Jyothish (Re: The Vastu of Katrina)
akasha_108, As Einstein has proved, the simplest formula is the best formula to describe nature's laws. If you have a theory that's effective, you should be able to use the variable sets available in jyotish, such as the 9 grahas and 12 houses in the natal chart. Jyotish is a very sophisticated model of human values and interactions. It needs a knowledgeable person to use the model to describe reality and possible trends of the future based on known possibilities. Regards, John R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bhairitu, A number of astrologers predicted bad times starting around the first of September. I remember one set posted here a couple months back (plus I remember hearing one for 2005 from a noted astrologer 10 years ago). Astrology cannot precisely predict what is going to happen but the propensity given the planetary configurations for what might happen.Far better than guessing. Reality is all just the overtone series from the big bang There were probably 1 or 2 astrologers predicting bad times in Sept and also a few astrologers predicting good times. The 1 or 2 predicting bad times probably have predicted bad times on numerous occasions and were wrong. Astrologers have a way of conveniently forgettting all the times they were wrong and advertising the few times they're generally right. Thats why they should create a model of their prediction, then show using historic data why the model has some merit, make some future predictions based on the model, and then publish such. For example: quantitatively define Bad times. Is it a decrease in GNP. Is it an increase in unemployment, crime, deaths, injuries? This would be the dependnet variable in a simple regression model. Lets say the hypothesis, per jyothish theory, is that Sept through Dec should see significantly higher unemployment. Then define the independent variables that one speculates drive variations over time of unemployment, both jyothish and economic/social. The jyotish variables might include: Saturn transiting the 10th house (employment/ career), Jupiter being aspected by a malefic planet, etc. The economic variabels might include GNP, interest rates, foreign trade balances, weather variables, seasonal variables (for example, is it summer with lots more students working), corporate cashflow (funds available for re-investment) and tax rates. The model would have the form: UnEmploy = S10 + JUmal + GNP + i + FT + Wea + Sea + CF + T + b -- b being the error term the unexplained factors which influence the dependnet variable. Testing this model specification would then require a regression analysis (a common statistical method) over perhaps 20 years of monthly data to show which variables are significant in explaining the variation over time of unemployment. And which are not. Those that contribute nothing would be dropped from the model. Through iterative testing, after dropping insignificant variables a final model will result. If the jyotish variables contribute to explaining the historic ups and downs of employment, then their predictive power will be demonstrated. If they contribute nothing to the explanatory power of the model, it would mean that, for this case, for this model, the jyotish variables provide no explanatory or predictive power. It would not prove jyotish was not effective, just that in this model specification, the chosen jyotish variables did not prove of any value. And if the jyotish variables do reamin in the model, the coeficients of each varible that the regression analysis provides, will indicate the relative effect of the jyotish variables, relative to any or all of the economic ones. For example, it might show that while the jyotish variables do help explain the ups and downs of employment, the influence is only about 10% relative to the other economic variables. It would be highly unlikely that any model would find the jyotish model explain it all, that they by themselves, are both significant, and make the use of economic variables redundant. This implies that trying to predict economic or social events solely with the use of jyotish models will probably be ineffective, or quite vague at best. And such a regression based model will show the periods when a jyotish variable has an effect and, AS importantly, when it doesn't. For example, some jyotish predictions are of the form, such as in my adjacent post, there will be peace between Country A and B over the next 12 months because jupiter will transit the 7th house of relations. Gee, that sounds pretty specific and testable. But its bogus if there has been peace between country A and B
[FairfieldLife] Testing Jyothish (Re: The Vastu of Katrina)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Einstein has proved, the simplest formula is the best formula to describe nature's laws. If you have a theory that's effective, you should be able to use the variable sets available in jyotish, such as the 9 grahas and 12 houses in the natal chart. Jyotish is a very sophisticated model of human values and interactions. It needs a knowledgeable person to use the model to describe reality and possible trends of the future based on known possibilities. Invoking Einstein in the same sentence as the word proved is not the wisest way to convince skeptics. My grandfather worked with Einstein on the Manhattan Project and was fond of quoting him as saying, At all times I am completely open to the possibility that each and every one of my theories is dead wrong. I have never encountered that same openness in believers in astrology. If I had, interestingly I would put more faith in it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Jyotish Predictions (was Re: The Vastu of Katrina )
akasha-108, The economic model mentioned is commonly accepted to be true. I am merely applying this model into the analysis of the jyotish chart. By using this model and the jyotish parameters for analysis, one can come up with some unique prediction trends very much more sophisticated than using economic formulas. You are correct in saying that this proposal needs proof. Quite frankly, I don't have the time and money to spend on such a venture. Perhaps, this proposal can be used as a dissertation for a doctoral thesis. That scholar would have the incentive and time to spend such detailed work to prove or disprove this theory. For my part, I'll be satisfied if I can make a correct economic prediction and maybe make some money based on this jyotish model. You can throw darts if you want for prediction purposes, but it is based on random chances. Regards, John R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, Here's a piece of email I wrote about two weeks ago at another site which gives you a flavor of what jyotish can do: And what you have done is simply make some predictions, yet to be verified, and to map some jyothish theory to some current phenomenon, without any verification of the historical accuracy of such mapping. We can see in astrological terms that the transiting Jupiter in Virgo is aspecting the 4th house of the US chart. Thus, the availability of funds has contributed to the rise of housing and property prices in the US. Jupiter completes a cycle of the zodiac about every 12 years. So if Jupiter in the 4th house of the US chart drives home prices higher, we should have seen the same effect in 1993 and 1981 etc. And yet real prices fell in those periods. http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:- S7UQjasBIMJ:www.boozman.house.gov/UploadedFiles/Housing%2520-%2520Is% 2520There%2520a% 2520Bubble.pdf+housing+prices+1993hl=enclient=firefox-a Perhaps there are some other factors involved --- perhaps jupiter was retrograde, or there was some sunde effect of Saturn not currently present. But unless you can demonstrate over say 6-12 cycles of Jupiter a model which accounts for the observed price levels in each period of Jupiter transiting the 4th house, you are predicting no better than randomly throwing darts. Also, the historic highs in housing have been building for the past five years in the US. What makes this Jupiter transit, a one year period, different than the other four years? Also, the housing boom has been going on internationally for the past 5 years. Are they all having jupiter transits of thier 4th houses? The same sort of analysis for yur federal deficit model could be made: In late September 2005, Jupiter will transit Libra, the 11th [sic 5th is meant] house of the US chart. There is a likelihood that this transit will produce unexpected sources of revenues for the US economy. This revenue will reduce the federal budget deficit. Did this also occur in 1993 and 1981? Do other countires experience the same when Jupiter transits their 5th houses? There appears to be little correlation, historically and internationally of your models' predictions and actual data. It apears no different than randomness. Maybe jyotish can predict some things. Maybe it can't. Proper analysis, testing agaisnt actual data can be used to help substantiate or reject the hypothesis. But your weak claims of predictive modeling is what gives jyotish such a bad name in terms of any ability to predict. In applying the principles outlined earlier, we can see how the planets are affecting the monetary flow of the US Chart (Kelleher version), with a Sagittarius lagna. Saturn is in the 8th house and aspecting the 2nd house. This transit is causing the monetary flow to be reduced. Thus, we are seeing that the federal reserve board has been steadily increasing the prime interest rate by a quarter point every 3 months or so. This trend of increasing the prime rate will continue for the entire transit in Cancer, lasting for another 2 years. Jupiter is transiting Virgo in conjunction with Saturn, the 2nd lord, and aspecting the 2nd house. This transit, before the recent entry of Saturn in Cancer, has contributed to low prime rate interest and availability of dollars for business growth and job creation. In spite of the wars in the Middle East and a high budget deficit, the low prime rate has succeeded in bolstering the American economy and the stock market during the Jupiter transit in Virgo. However, the low prime rate strategy has an unexpected side effect in that it contributed to the tremendous rise in property prices in the US, particularly in the San Francisco Bay
[FairfieldLife] Re: nature backlash?
It doesn't seem to me that the fault lies with the meditation, but with some people's desire to build up a cult. TM never needed an organisation to spread it and still doesn't. But MMY is adamant that the organisation must exist, and so it needs funding, so he changes tack and starts charging for initiation. It is the organisation that is the cult, and the clusters of flunkies and self-righteous sanctimonious bigots who wear their cult on their wrinkled brows create the impression that TM doesn't work. There is only one test for TM, and it's not how much money you got, nor how close to Maharishi you get, nor how many yagyas you done nor whether you were the first or the last person to get initiated nor whether you paid megabucks or got it for free. The one test:- Does TM do the job for which it is recommended? ie if you can use it to go beyond the technique and thought drops off. If it does then that's it. We live in the 21st Century not in some mediaeval outback, let's leave all the superstitious twaddle behind. Don't ask me my star sign, nor the sexual orientation of my front door, nor my slope for that matter. Stick with the program, did you transcend thought? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It amazes me that just because MMY popularizes a technique of meditation aimed at transcending thought, all too many assume he knows lots of other stuff too. shame shame shame. He comes out with hokum, but because it is Maha-hokum, it's okay cos he's the guy who trademarked a meditation technique. Huh! His nonsense pronouncements do more harm to the TM cause than anything that TM-ex could have thought of! It's sadly true. After having lent credibility to meditation, and established it (at least for a short time) as a household word, and something that the mainstream population could benefit from, he spends his last decades taking its image in the other direction. Go figure. The other thing that, in my opinion, does the most harm to the idea of meditation as a valuable addition to one's life, is the knee-jerk reactions of those TBS who, having made (consciously or subconsciously) the decision that *because* he trademarked meditation everything he says is Maha-cool, feel that they have to defend the pronouncements that even *they* know are Maha-hokum. And so *seriously*. The one thing that turns off more people about religion and spirit- uality than anything else is the inability in people who represent it to laugh at themselves, and the often silly nature of their path and their belief system. In my experience, very few people ever react badly to the person with strong religious or spirit- ual beliefs who is *light* about them, and can poke fun of them when they deserve to be poked fun at. But the person who gets all *serious*, and reacts as if the fun-poking were a personal attack? They parade their insecurity to the world and call it faith. The world is rarely fooled, and calls it what it is. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/1/05 12:03:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, duh. It's a country full of idiots whose heads are filled with fantasies, money-grubbing war-mongers with low IQs. A few outright imbeciles, too. They never noticed the difference. :-) Were you ever in a marching band? Did it piss you off that everybody else played out of key and were out of step? Hey, dude...you're the one who still lives there... :-) Nah. Most of us live in the Unified Field. Though I do get pissed at some those bozons flying around. Bozons. Are they the particles that always laugh, never cry? Have no idea what kind of particles bozons are. (Yup, I know...) boson (bÆson), n. Physics. any particle that obeys Bose-Einstein statistics: bosons have integral spins: 0, 1, 2, Cf. fermion. [194550; named after S. N. Bose (18941974), Indian physicist; see - ON1] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: nature backlash?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We live in the 21st Century not in some mediaeval outback, let's leave all the superstitious twaddle behind. Don't ask me my star sign, nor the sexual orientation of my front door... Wow. Maybe that's really the whole basis of Vastu. They've confused doorways with bodily orifices. You're not gettin' in through *my* South-facing entrance, you pervert. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conservative says government has bungled relief effort
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for posting this and stuff like it, Judy. Thanks for reading it! --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack Cafferty of CNN is a crusty right-winger and usually a fervent Bush administration supporter. Today on CNN's Situation Room he said this: The thing that's most glaring in all of this is that the conditions continue to deteriorate for people who are victims and the efforts to do something about it don't seem to be anywhere in sight. [...] The questions that we ask in The Situation Room every day are posted on the website two or three hours before we go on the air and people who read the website often begin to respond to the questions before the show actually starts. The question for this hour is whether the government is doing a good job in handling the situation. I gotta tell you something, we got five or six hundred letters before the show actually went on the air, and no one - no one - is saying the government is doing a good job in handling one of the most atrocious and embarrassing and far-reaching and calamitous things that has come along in this country in my lifetime. I'm 62. I remember the riots in Watts, I remember the earthquake in San Francisco, I remember a lot of things. I have never, ever, seen anything as bungled and as poorly handled as this situation in New Orleans. Where the hell is the water for these people? Why can't sandwiches be dropped to those people in the Superdome. What is going on? This is Thursday! This storm happened 5 days ago. This is a disgrace. And don't think the world isn't watching. This is the government that the taxpayers are paying for, and it's fallen right flat on its face as far as I can see, in the way it's handled this thing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The nature of the catastrophe, and the lack of Federal help; Deserves a look at our government; At the highest level. Where does the buck stop in the summer of 2005? R.Gimbel Seattle,WA..Usa. The USA is the only place in the world where 0.5 million dollar a day rescue effort with countless personel and equipment and an initial 10.5 billion dollar Fedral suplemental spending bill - 'the lack of Federal help'. In most places in the world many more people would die. That may be, but if you've been paying attention to what is actually happening, the utter incompetence with which most of these resources are being used is stupefying. More people on the Gulf Coast, especially New Orleans, have died and *will* die than would have had to die if the feds were even halfway on the ball with this. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: nature backlash?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It amazes me that just because MMY popularizes a technique of meditation aimed at transcending thought, all too many assume he knows lots of other stuff too. shame shame shame. He comes out with hokum, but because it is Maha-hokum, it's okay cos he's the guy who trademarked a meditation technique. Huh! His nonsense pronouncements do more harm to the TM cause than anything that TM-ex could have thought of! I have always felt the same way. TM-twenty minutes twice a day was the greatest thing going. Two hundred percent of life, meditate and act, eat what your mother puts on the table, sleep with your head in whatever direction the bed is facing, why are people asking me all these questions, I'm just a simple monk. He should have quit while he was ahead. Ii will say this: back in the day, there was a buzz among TM teachers that Maharishi had much more knowledge to share. We all lusted for that knowledge. My rationale was, if TM is good (which it is), this other stuff would be even better. The TM-Sidhis program got snatched up fast because there was such a pent-up demand for something like it. Similarly, I recall a demand for some sort of dietary program in the early mid-80s. Lots of us were experimenting and complaining on that front, perhaps because of the accumulated deleterious effects of the high-carbohydrate, low-protein diet that somehow became the standard among 'rus. When Maharishi rolled out his brand of ayurveda, it met a demand. So, in these cases at least, he was responding to demands set before him. Maharishi, what more do you have to share with us? It's kind of hard for me to blame him for making awailable stuff that, in my heart, I wanted him to share. - Patrick Gillam Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teddy Roosevelt to blame for San Franscisco Earthquake
Nothing like giving an army of straw men a good thrashing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Danielle Crittenden www.huffingtonpost.com 09.01.2005 Up Next: Teddy Roosevelt to Blame for San Francisco Earthquake What will the left NOT blame on a Republican president? Here is the condensed wisdom of the liberal media on why the Bush administration is ultimately responsible for the disaster of Hurricane Katrina: Hurricane Katrina itself was a consequence of global warming. Apparently, before global warming, there were no hurricanesor maybe they just weren't so bad. But because of the Bush administration's failure to sign Kyoto, we got Katrina. Most of the disaster and human suffering that ensued can be blamed on Bush's war on terror. First, according to Sidney Blumenthal, the administration cut funding from a Louisiana flood control project in order to pay for the Iraq war. Then there weren't enough national guardsman to help with relief because they're all fighting in Iraq. And finally, because Homeland Security has been foolishly consumed with figuring out ways to protect the nation from a terrorist strike, it was not prepared for a strike by Mother Nature. But the disaster was also exacerbated by other Bush policies: Aid efforts to community clinics were blocked by faith-based relief organizations. And those burly men hauling stereos and televisions from abandoned Wal-Marts? They, and other looters, are victims of Bush's tax cuts. Indeed, one blogger suggests that the devastation of Katrina can ultimately be traced to another, more catastrophic historical event some decades ago. The HuffPo's Russell Shaw asserts that if only Jimmy Carter had beat Ronald Reagan, much of the suffering from the hurricane might have been much lessin fact, there might not have been a hurricane at all. So there you have it. Anyone who questions the plausibilityor decencyof making political hay out of a natural disaster before even the dead are counted and the victims rehoused is obviously blinded by Karl Rove's political propaganda (link pendinggive it 24 hours). And by the wayyou know those 18th-century developers who unwisely decided to build a city in what amounts to a geographical soup bowl? They were neo-cons. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ ShockAwe/No Compassion?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/1/05 12:27:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You've made that up, Judy. Unless they were footage of Appalachian children from the 1960s, I've never seen footage of American children who were painfully skinny. Doesn't exist. You know it, I know it and everyone reading this newsgroup knows it. LOL! More Judy facts! I'm looking at a really skinny little girl on CNN at this very moment. The denial is extraordinary. And by the way, you haven't caught me in one single misstatement of fact, whereas I've caught you in *at least* half a dozen. And we all can feel how much that excites you and makes your day. And a lot of us react to that perception not with admiration for you, but with a sense of pity. Let it go. It's not about facts; it's about reinforcing your self, and using that inflated sense of self and self-rightness to keep from dealing with your enlightenment. snore Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: nature backlash?
Fair points. But if I ask my local restaurant for a glass of the elixir of life, are they justified in selling me a glass of tap water for ten thousand pounds? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It amazes me that just because MMY popularizes a technique of meditation aimed at transcending thought, all too many assume he knows lots of other stuff too. shame shame shame. He comes out with hokum, but because it is Maha-hokum, it's okay cos he's the guy who trademarked a meditation technique. Huh! His nonsense pronouncements do more harm to the TM cause than anything that TM-ex could have thought of! I have always felt the same way. TM-twenty minutes twice a day was the greatest thing going. Two hundred percent of life, meditate and act, eat what your mother puts on the table, sleep with your head in whatever direction the bed is facing, why are people asking me all these questions, I'm just a simple monk. He should have quit while he was ahead. Ii will say this: back in the day, there was a buzz among TM teachers that Maharishi had much more knowledge to share. We all lusted for that knowledge. My rationale was, if TM is good (which it is), this other stuff would be even better. The TM-Sidhis program got snatched up fast because there was such a pent-up demand for something like it. Similarly, I recall a demand for some sort of dietary program in the early mid-80s. Lots of us were experimenting and complaining on that front, perhaps because of the accumulated deleterious effects of the high-carbohydrate, low-protein diet that somehow became the standard among 'rus. When Maharishi rolled out his brand of ayurveda, it met a demand. So, in these cases at least, he was responding to demands set before him. Maharishi, what more do you have to share with us? It's kind of hard for me to blame him for making awailable stuff that, in my heart, I wanted him to share. - Patrick Gillam Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Lack of New Orleans Response/Diverting Attention From Iraq?...'
On 9/2/05 1:24 AM, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could not understand the political value; In depriving the citizens trapped in New Orleans; From air drops of food and water and rafts. Help for the children and babies. The only reason I can think of: Is to divert attention away from the Iraq catastrophe. The real problems are more logistical and demographic and NOLA's own problems. There has been a white flight out of NOLA in the last two decades, which means the poorer population is what remained, this eroded the tax base. In general, the more you make in this area, the higher ground you tend to live on. The poorest people tend to live in the lowest lying areas. The disaster plans were also all predicated on the condition that you had your own transportation. Furthermore, there is a caste system in the south still. Can you look at the TV coverage and guess which ones are the untouchables? Just to give you an idea, a friend of mine who grew up in Harlem moved to NOLA out of medical school. He was black but moved into a white neighborhood. His wife and family were constantly harassed--even when they were at a supermarket. When finally they couldn't take any more and decided to leave, no one would buy their house--it had been tainted by their untouchability. They took a huge loss and left. Have you ever heard of learned helplessness and entitlement? These are yet other factors that come to the fore in a situation like this. Dubya certainly hasn't helped, but there are problems unique to this area. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/1/05 12:03:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, duh. It's a country full of idiots whose heads are filled with fantasies, money-grubbing war-mongers with low IQs. A few outright imbeciles, too. They never noticed the difference. :-) Were you ever in a marching band? Did it piss you off that everybody else played out of key and were out of step? Hey, dude...you're the one who still lives there... :-) Nah. Most of us live in the Unified Field. Though I do get pissed at some those bozons flying around. Bozons. Are they the particles that always laugh, never cry? Have no idea what kind of particles bozons are. (Yup, I know...) boson (bÆson), n. Physics. any particle that obeys Bose-Einstein statistics: bosons have integral spins: 0, 1, 2, Cf. fermion. [194550; named after S. N. Bose (18941974), Indian physicist; see - ON1] Thanks, Card. Yes, bosons I had heard of, but not (till yesterday) bozons... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You tell me what your amazing rescue effort is accomplishing right now. It's not my amazing rescue effort. How would I know what it being acomplished right now? WATCH THE TUBE. I doubt that all of the possible 200,000 will all be sick or dying within a few days. I was commenting that the massive Federal effort was seen (after being distorted by the media) as a lack of help. Sorry, but it's NOT being distorted by the media. I'm listening to a tape of the mayor of New Orleans being interviewed by phone from last night on CNN, cussing a blue streak about what is NOT happening. Somewhere between 15,000 and 50,000 people are marooned at the Convention Center in New Orleans with no food, no water, no sanitary facilities, no medical attention, no INFORMATION. Most of them have been there since Wednesday; the media has repeatedly reported on their plight. Babies and old people and sick people are dying of dehydration because they don't even have WATER. And the head of FEMA last night claimed the feds didn't know anything about them. That is just *criminal* incompetence. No matter how big the government it can't protect everyone from natural disaster That isn't even the issue now. The issue is that many tens of thousands of people are in a desperate emergency life-and-death situation and NO ONE IS HELPING THEM. And it's not just in New Orleans, of course, it's up and down the Gulf Coast. There's more coverage of New Orleans because the disaster is so much more highly concentrated there. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
On 9/2/05 8:19 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, but it's NOT being distorted by the media. Yes it is. There are reporting on the areas they have access to--esp. The convention center and the Superdome. What you're not seeing is the hospitals where the people in medical distress are and other such places. How about the bayous? Where's the footage of the people there? Keep in mind you have numerous HOSPITALS which lost electricity and some are completely surrounded by water. In such a situation, these people will take first priority to people standing around. From the perspective of the disaster teams, the largest problems are access and lack of communication. You also have to consider the basic nature of triage--the people who are in imminent danger are going to get first attention and the people standing around who are merely displaced will get attention when transport arrives and as facilities for them becomes available. Just because the media is pointing their cameras at a bunch of people standing around doesn't mean there isn't significant efforts underway and happening right now. In general, the media isn't in the areas where the real work is being done. I'm listening to a tape of the mayor of New Orleans being interviewed by phone from last night on CNN, cussing a blue streak about what is NOT happening. Maybe he should take more personal and administrative responsibility for the shortcomings of his own planning and foresight and appropriate response infrastructure in an area that as recently as two years ago was hit by a major hurricane. Somewhere between 15,000 and 50,000 people are marooned at the Convention Center in New Orleans with no food, no water, no sanitary facilities, no medical attention, no INFORMATION. Most of them have been there since Wednesday; the media has repeatedly reported on their plight. Babies and old people and sick people are dying of dehydration because they don't even have WATER. This is not true, they are receiving water and food. The critical people are/were being lifted out. Remember, the rules of triage apply. And the head of FEMA last night claimed the feds didn't know anything about them. That is just *criminal* incompetence. The city of New Orleans and the state of LA should carry the burden in terms of incompetence. NOLA was and is riddled with corruption. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WATCH THE TUBE. There's on-site blogging being done here -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
On 9/2/05 9:01 AM, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WATCH THE TUBE. There's on-site blogging being done here -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/ The most up-to-date info can be found at or via: http://www.wwltv.com/ If you have broadband, you can watch live. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/05 8:19 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, but it's NOT being distorted by the media. Yes it is. There are reporting on the areas they have access to-- esp. The convention center and the Superdome. What you're not seeing is the hospitals where the people in medical distress are and other such places. How about the bayous? Where's the footage of the people there? I agree, the coverage is probably distorted in that it isn't showing how bad it really is. But I was responding to a comment suggesting that the media were showing it as *worse* than it really is. Keep in mind you have numerous HOSPITALS which lost electricity and some are completely surrounded by water. In such a situation, these people will take first priority to people standing around. No, sorry, but there's no damn reason why evacuating hospital patients should mean an inability even to do an air-drop of water and food to the people who are standing around. From the perspective of the disaster teams, the largest problems are access and lack of communication. I don't buy it. Communication-wise, if somebody were just watching the tube, they'd know about some of the worst problems. And again, if access on the ground is a problem, do air-drops of food and water. The biggest problems here are lack of organization and preparedness, complicated by COMPLACENCY. You also have to consider the basic nature of triage--the people who are in imminent danger are going to get first attention and the people standing around who are merely displaced You aren't paying attention. They aren't merely displaced, they haven't had any food for days and some of them are dying of dehydration. There are people among them who are just as sick and in need of emergency medical attention as those who are being evacuated from hospitals. The triage teams themselves are overwhelmed; they aren't getting any reinforcements and they're running out of medical supplies. will get attention when transport arrives and as facilities for them becomes available. Just because the media is pointing their cameras at a bunch of people standing around doesn't mean there isn't significant efforts underway and happening right now. Uh-huh. They've been standing around since WEDNESDAY. As far as the Convention Center situation is concerned, there should have been significant efforts underway and happening right now as soon as it became evident they were gathering there. The help should have been not just underway but *BEING DELIVERED* long since. In general, the media isn't in the areas where the real work is being done. That's for sure. The question is, why isn't there real work being done WHERE THE MEDIA ARE? I'm listening to a tape of the mayor of New Orleans being interviewed by phone from last night on CNN, cussing a blue streak about what is NOT happening. Maybe he should take more personal and administrative responsibility for the shortcomings of his own planning and foresight and appropriate response infrastructure in an area that as recently as two years ago was hit by a major hurricane. Maybe, but there's plenty of time for him to do that later. Taking responsibility is not going to help the people who are in extremis and not receiving any help NOW. Somewhere between 15,000 and 50,000 people are marooned at the Convention Center in New Orleans with no food, no water, no sanitary facilities, no medical attention, no INFORMATION. Most of them have been there since Wednesday; the media has repeatedly reported on their plight. Babies and old people and sick people are dying of dehydration because they don't even have WATER. This is not true, they are receiving water and food. Maybe they are *now*, but if so it's only in the last few hours. Bush is quoted as having just said they're trying to get food and water and medical help to the Convention Center. The critical people are/were being lifted out. Remember, the rules of triage apply. Don't tell me to remember. Get food and water to the people who don't have any so they won't die before they make their way to the top of the evacuation priority list. And the head of FEMA last night claimed the feds didn't know anything about them. That is just *criminal* incompetence. The city of New Orleans and the state of LA should carry the burden in terms of incompetence. Bullshit. The incompetence of the feds is happening NOW, and people are dying as a result. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and
[FairfieldLife] Re: nature backlash?
---Premanand Paul Mason wrote: Fair points. But if I ask my local restaurant for a glass of the elixir of life, are they justified in selling me a glass of tap water for ten thousand pounds? Great metaphor. It positions the experience of simple, uncluttered consciousness as something essential to life -- something to be widely available, with few barriers to obtaining it. Also, to counter my own point below, it's one thing to respond to requests for more. It's another thing to make the more mandatory. I've had friends in Fairield who've felt oppressed by the TMO's insistence that (1) you absolutely must have this latest thing (amrit, gems, a new house) if you are to make anything of your time on earth, and (2) it's gonna cost ya. Utlimately, my friends just walked away. --- Patrick Gillam wrote: Ii will say this: back in the day, there was a buzz among TM teachers that Maharishi had much more knowledge to share. We all lusted for that knowledge. It's kind of hard for me to blame him for making awailable stuff that, in my heart, I wanted him to share. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
On 9/2/05 9:09 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind you have numerous HOSPITALS which lost electricity and some are completely surrounded by water. In such a situation, these people will take first priority to people standing around. No, sorry, but there's no damn reason why evacuating hospital patients should mean an inability even to do an air-drop of water and food to the people who are standing around. Unfortuantely for those people, their city, who knew quite well the problems with the low-lying area (in their own city), were very poorly prepared for their own, already known location issues. The nature of politics demands that these NOLA and LA. Politicians now blame someone else. Now the poor pay the price. You also have to consider the basic nature of triage--the people who are in imminent danger are going to get first attention and the people standing around who are merely displaced You aren't paying attention. They aren't merely displaced, they haven't had any food for days and some of them are dying of dehydration. There are people among them who are just as sick and in need of emergency medical attention as those who are being evacuated from hospitals. What you have to understand is access will be blocked to these areas. For example, even the Red Cross will be barred from entering an area with known violence. Their have and will continue to be drops. People are being bussed out and will continue to be. Unfortunately they aren't going to risk flying into an area and losing important rescue crafts and lives if people are shooting at them! This was a huge part of the recent problem. Why on earth were they shooting at their own rescuers? This shifted the whole tone and tenor of the operation. The message sent to the rescuers: come and get us, but we might be shooting at you! I'm listening to a tape of the mayor of New Orleans being interviewed by phone from last night on CNN, cussing a blue streak about what is NOT happening. Maybe he should take more personal and administrative responsibility for the shortcomings of his own planning and foresight and appropriate response infrastructure in an area that as recently as two years ago was hit by a major hurricane. Maybe, but there's plenty of time for him to do that later. Taking responsibility is not going to help the people who are in extremis and not receiving any help NOW. Unfortunately it is the lack of preparedness on his part that is exacerbating the problem her and now. Somewhere between 15,000 and 50,000 people are marooned at the Convention Center in New Orleans with no food, no water, no sanitary facilities, no medical attention, no INFORMATION. Most of them have been there since Wednesday; the media has repeatedly reported on their plight. Babies and old people and sick people are dying of dehydration because they don't even have WATER. This is not true, they are receiving water and food. Maybe they are *now*, but if so it's only in the last few hours. Bush is quoted as having just said they're trying to get food and water and medical help to the Convention Center. The critical people are/were being lifted out. Remember, the rules of triage apply. Don't tell me to remember. Get food and water to the people who don't have any so they won't die before they make their way to the top of the evacuation priority list. And the head of FEMA last night claimed the feds didn't know anything about them. That is just *criminal* incompetence. The city of New Orleans and the state of LA should carry the burden in terms of incompetence. Bullshit. The incompetence of the feds is happening NOW, and people are dying as a result. LOL, you're clueless. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/05 9:09 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind you have numerous HOSPITALS which lost electricity and some are completely surrounded by water. In such a situation, these people will take first priority to people standing around. No, sorry, but there's no damn reason why evacuating hospital patients should mean an inability even to do an air-drop of water and food to the people who are standing around. Unfortuantely for those people, their city, who knew quite well the problems with the low-lying area (in their own city), were very poorly prepared for their own, already known location issues. The nature of politics demands that these NOLA and LA. Politicians now blame someone else. No, no, no. You're not getting it. It isn't a matter of blaming, it's a matter of getting the feds to ACT in a halfway effective manner. Now the poor pay the price. You also have to consider the basic nature of triage--the people who are in imminent danger are going to get first attention and the people standing around who are merely displaced You aren't paying attention. They aren't merely displaced, they haven't had any food for days and some of them are dying of dehydration. There are people among them who are just as sick and in need of emergency medical attention as those who are being evacuated from hospitals. What you have to understand is access will be blocked to these areas. For example, even the Red Cross will be barred from entering an area with known violence. According to the reporters who've actually been to the Convention Center, the people who are standing around outside are no threat. They've even tried to pick up some of the litter and clean the area up in an attempt to look more respectable. Their have and will continue to be drops. Not at the Convention Center, not yet. One truck went by and dumped out some supplies from one of the highway overpasses, most of which were destroyed when they hit the ground. Some of the people waiting volunteered to go pick up the supplies directly from the truck and bring them back, and they were waved off with guns. What they got was just a drop in the bucket. People are being bussed out and will continue to be. The police and National Guard were telling folks to go to the Convention Center because there would be buses there to take them out. This was on WEDNESDAY. Nary a bus there yet. Unfortunately they aren't going to risk flying into an area and losing important rescue crafts and lives if people are shooting at them! This was a huge part of the recent problem. Why on earth were they shooting at their own rescuers? This shifted the whole tone and tenor of the operation. The message sent to the rescuers: come and get us, but we might be shooting at you! As somebody observed, if New Orleans had been invaded by Iraqi insurgents, there would have been an instant and massive effort to go in and subdue them, or at least keep them away from areas where they could interfere with the rescues. Sending in large numbers of military and law enforcement types to keep order should have been one of the very first things done. Now it's out of control. Very similar to what happened in Iraq after the invasion. snip Bullshit. The incompetence of the feds is happening NOW, and people are dying as a result. LOL, you're clueless. River in Egypt. Unbelievable. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ ShockAwe/No Compassion?
In a message dated 9/1/05 1:33:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Caught with you hand in the cookie jar, Judy.You didn't and, yes, I'm accusing you of lying and making this up.Did anyone else see on virtually every channel that covered Hurricane Katrina that "alot" of the children filmed were "painfully skinny"?I myself did not see even one. I haven't seen one person yet that looked malnourished in any of the TV coverage. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
On 9/2/05 9:51 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, no, no. You're not getting it. It isn't a matter of blaming, it's a matter of getting the feds to ACT in a halfway effective manner. Are you're expecting that to happen? Fed response to disasters is always the last to arrive. Why the NOLA officials don't have an effective mechanism in place and channel of communication with FEMA, et al is beyond me. Apparently they didn't even let the Feds know where they were telling people to gather! It's a horrible situation but ultimately those who decided to stay, for whatever reason, must bear some responsibility for their own outcome. I realize you feel the Feds should be there at our beck and call, but anyone who is realistic will know better. It's easy to micromanage the situation from your perspective in front of your TV screen but armchair observations are of little help--even if they do sell papers and boost TV ratings. As somebody observed, if New Orleans had been invaded by Iraqi insurgents, there would have been an instant and massive effort to go in and subdue them, or at least keep them away from areas where they could interfere with the rescues. Well, that's the military's specialty! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ ShockAwe/No Compassion?
In a message dated 9/1/05 1:57:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Which with it's spiciness should reduce kapha not increase it. Most of the obesity problem in the US is more likely the result of the increased use of artificial sweeteners and msg. Both disable the body's ability to recognize when it has had enough carbohydrate. The sweeteners only satisfy the taste but the body is telling you it needs some carbs even if it is just to fuel digestion after a meal. So the sweeteners just make things worse. Far better to just have sugar sweetened goodies and only when needed. I think you're assuming people are in touch with their bodies and minds. Chances are most of these people eat out of shear boredom or pleasure and consume the wrong kind of calories. Combining excess weight with excess sugar might put many of those people at risk with diabetes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ ShockAwe/No Compassion?
I once heard the statistic that America has the most overweight, over-nourished poor people in the world. There are also some people of vata constitution who will always be thin--the ectomorphs--and they can be rich or poor or middle class. On 9/2/05 10:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't seen one person yet that looked malnourished in any of the TV coverage. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/05 9:51 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, no, no. You're not getting it. It isn't a matter of blaming, it's a matter of getting the feds to ACT in a halfway effective manner. Are you're expecting that to happen? They've been able to do it in previous disasters. Fed response to disasters is always the last to arrive. Why the NOLA officials don't have an effective mechanism in place and channel of communication with FEMA, et al is beyond me. Apparently they didn't even let the Feds know where they were telling people to gather! It's been public knowledge since WEDNESDAY that people were gathering at the Convention Center without food, water, or medical care. It's been all over the tube. It's a horrible situation but ultimately those who decided to stay, for whatever reason, must bear some responsibility for their own outcome. No, no. *Most* of the people who stayed did so because they could not afford to leave, had no car, no money for transportation, no place to go, no money for a hotel. You're beginning to sound like a mouthpiece for the Bush administration. I realize you feel the Feds should be there at our beck and call, but anyone who is realistic will know better. Well, actually, it's the federal government's *JOB* in the case of a disaster like this. It's easy to micromanage the situation from your perspective in front of your TV screen but armchair observations are of little help--even if they do sell papers and boost TV ratings. Gee, did I say somewhere that I thought my observations were helping anybody? Or did you make that up? Your attitude is truly disgusting. As somebody observed, if New Orleans had been invaded by Iraqi insurgents, there would have been an instant and massive effort to go in and subdue them, or at least keep them away from areas where they could interfere with the rescues. Well, that's the military's specialty! Right. But they aren't DOING IT. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The death of american culture as we know it. This is ...
In a message dated 9/1/05 3:02:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: San Franscisco, San Diego, New York and Washington DC could easily be the next target for Mother Nature.What did poor San Diego do to deserve this wrath? Couldn't we squeeze LA, and Boston in there? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...
In a message dated 9/1/05 3:03:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For the record, I know that. It's just that intuitively,I think he's onto something this time. That's not intuition, it's wishful thinking. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
On 9/2/05 10:25 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been public knowledge since WEDNESDAY that people were gathering at the Convention Center without food, water, or medical care. It's been all over the tube. It has been well televised. What they aren't telling you is it's connected to a whole section of the FQ which is high and dry. I have a friend still in the FQ who has walked over several times to the convention center. He's also gone other places nearby (within walking distance) for food and water! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ ShockAwe/No Compassion?
The sad irony of obesity in developing, food-starved nations has not gone unnoticed by scientists. Read more: http://www.umich.edu/news/?Releases/2004/Jun04/r060804a They may not look like they are starving, but the sad fact is that when children don't get enough to eat, they become large adults. Also, living on inexpensive refined and fast foods will make a person both very large and very malnourished. Now can we stop arguing and send the red cross some money? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/1/05 1:33:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Caught with you hand in the cookie jar, Judy. You didn't and, yes, I'm accusing you of lying and making this up. Did anyone else see on virtually every channel that covered Hurricane Katrina that alot of the children filmed were painfully skinny? I myself did not see even one. I haven't seen one person yet that looked malnourished in any of the TV coverage. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ ShockAwe/No Compassion?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now can we stop arguing and send the red cross some money? I doubt it very seriously. Some people deal with tragedy and crisis *by* arguing, and *by* taking out their anger and their frustration on other people. If they can't do it in real life, they'll do it on the Internet. Doncha remember what it was like after 9/11? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Conservative says government has bungled relief effort
In a message dated 9/1/05 3:48:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm 62. I remember the riots in Watts, I remember the earthquake in San Francisco, I remember a lot of things. I have never, ever, seen anything as bungled and as poorly handled as this situation in New Orleans. Where the hell is the water for these people? Why can't sandwiches be dropped to those people in the Superdome. What is going on? This is Thursday! This storm happened 5 days ago. This is a disgrace. And don't think the world isn't watching. This is the government that the taxpayers are paying for, and it's fallen right flat on its face as far as I can see, in the way it's handled this thing. What Jack fails to appreciate is that yes the storm was on Sunday and on Monday everybody was saying that New Orleans had missed the Big One. Tuesday the levees broke and created a second disaster worse than the hurricane it's self cutting off access and communications with the city. People in the city have no means of communication and don't know where to go to get help.New plans needed to be created to get the help into the city. Lawlessness and shootingat rescue works has also been an impediment. Failure of the governor to declare martial law has slowed events down. Finally, today, the Governor has declared martial law and ordered MP's and police to Lock n Load and shoot on site anybody looting, rioting or interfering with rescue. Had the levees not given in , the city would probably be getting electricity restored by now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time for Impeachment - Shared Blame
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fed response to disasters is always the last to arrive. Why the NOLA officials don't have an effective mechanism in place and channel of communication with FEMA, et al is beyond me. Apparently they didn't even let the Feds know where they were telling people to gather! It's a horrible situation but ultimately those who decided to stay, for whatever reason, must bear some responsibility for their own outcome. I realize you feel the Feds should be there at our beck and call, but anyone who is realistic will know better. It was well known that over 100,000 would be unable to leave NO with one day notice, it was in the disaster management plan. 27% of the pop does not own cars, a popular tourist destination with tens of thousands tourists stuck, the old and sick unable to travel, plus many stubborn with no good reason. Understood that these people, both those who decided to stay and the majority who had no option but to stay, will be up the creek during and immediately after a hurricane, but not 5 days after FEMA - Federal Emergency Management Agency, that's their job, the FEDERAL response to national EMERGENCIES, in conjunction with the National Guard. In fact, these people used to do their job very well - don't confuse them with some gov't bureaucracy. The military is usually the last to response to homeland disasters, but FEMA and the Guard are the first. The fact that 40% of the Guard is not here, that FEMA's budget has been significantly cut, that Bush fired the very competent head of FEMA and replaced him with a friend whose last job was a lawyer for an arabian horse association and who has no disaster experience is definitely part of the problem. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/05 10:25 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been public knowledge since WEDNESDAY that people were gathering at the Convention Center without food, water, or medical care. It's been all over the tube. It has been well televised. What they aren't telling you is it's connected to a whole section of the FQ which is high and dry. I have a friend still in the FQ who has walked over several times to the convention center. He's also gone other places nearby (within walking distance) for food and water! And he's told the people at the Convention Center that food and water is available within walking distance, has he? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ ShockAwe/No Compassion?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now can we stop arguing and send the red cross some money? I doubt it very seriously. Some people deal with tragedy and crisis *by* arguing, and *by* taking out their anger and their frustration on other people. If they can't do it in real life, they'll do it on the Internet. Doncha remember what it was like after 9/11? And some people argue in real life AND on the Internet, AND also send the Red Cross money. These are not mutually exclusive. (And if I weren't one of the people arguing here, Barry would be leaving long screeds himself about how incompetent the response to the disaster has been.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time for Impeachment - Shared Blame
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FEMA - Federal Emergency Management Agency, that's their job, the FEDERAL response to national EMERGENCIES, in conjunction with the National Guard. In fact, these people used to do their job very well - don't confuse them with some gov't bureaucracy. The military is usually the last to response to homeland disasters, but FEMA and the Guard are the first. The fact that 40% of the Guard is not here, that FEMA's budget has been significantly cut, that Bush fired the very competent head of FEMA and replaced him with a friend whose last job was a lawyer for an arabian horse association and who has no disaster experience is definitely part of the problem. Don't forget that FEMA is no longer its own federal agency. It was absorbed into the (cough) Homeland Security Department, an organization so disorganized and mismanaged so far that even its right-wing supporters say it's a madhouse. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time for Impeachment - Shared Blame
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip FEMA's budget has been significantly cut, that Bush fired the very competent head of FEMA and replaced him with a friend whose last job was a lawyer for an arabian horse association and who has no disaster experience is definitely part of the problem. I just learned this morning that Michael Brown was fired from that job with the Arabian horse association--for incompetence. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time for Impeachment - Shared Blame
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip FEMA's budget has been significantly cut, that Bush fired the very competent head of FEMA and replaced him with a friend whose last job was a lawyer for an arabian horse association and who has no disaster experience is definitely part of the problem. I just learned this morning that Michael Brown was fired from that job with the Arabian horse association--for incompetence. P.S.: However, given the amount of time he's been spending being interviewed by the media, it's become apparent that's what his role as director of FEMA primarily involves, rather than any hands-on work solving the problems. So he most likely isn't really at fault for the snafus; his job is to be the target for all the brickbats. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can't happen here syndrome
In a message dated 9/1/05 4:28:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The reason the federal government funds projects likeflood prevention in New Orleans is that it's CHEAPERTHAN PAYING FOR THE RELIEF EFFORT AND RECONSTRUCTIONafter a disaster has occurred. And the city and state are not supposed to take any responsibility for their own disaster prevention? Of course its cheaper! They should have stepped up to the plate and done what they thought necessary! They chose not to! The city and state thought they could wait it out and get the feds to pay for their disaster protection later down the road. That is total negligence on their part. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ ShockAwe/No Compassion?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now can we stop arguing and send the red cross some money? I doubt it very seriously. Some people deal with tragedy and crisis *by* arguing, and *by* taking out their anger and their frustration on other people. If they can't do it in real life, they'll do it on the Internet. Doncha remember what it was like after 9/11? And some people argue in real life AND on the Internet, AND also send the Red Cross money. These are not mutually exclusive. (And if I weren't one of the people arguing here, Barry would be leaving long screeds himself about how incompetent the response to the disaster has been.) A congressman made an excellent point on TV this morning re all of the fundraising efforts going on for Katrina. He said that the Pentagon doesn't go around with its tin cup out when its time to fight a war; they are granted unlimited amounts of money to supposedly protect us. Yet now in this country, on our soil, we must beg the citizens to help out when an unprecedented natural disaster strikes. Think about it. It is insane. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time for Impeachment - Shared Blame
On 9/2/05 11:09 AM, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was well known that over 100,000 would be unable to leave NO with one day notice, it was in the disaster management plan. 27% of the pop does not own cars, a popular tourist destination with tens of thousands tourists stuck, the old and sick unable to travel, plus many stubborn with no good reason. Understood that these people, both those who decided to stay and the majority who had no option but to stay, will be up the creek during and immediately after a hurricane, but not 5 days after Like I said before, the disaster plan was written assuming you WOUILD have a car. And of course even if you didn't, you certainly would no someone who did. It would take a lot of courage to leave for some unknown destination. A friend still in NOLA is poor, but had numerous options for leaving (bus, friend's cars, etc.) still decided to stay simply because he didn't want to go to a shelter. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
On 9/2/05 11:11 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And he's told the people at the Convention Center that food and water is available within walking distance, has he? You'd have to ask him, but anyone from NOLA would be aware as they are connected and dry. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time for Impeachment - Shared Blame
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Like I said before, the disaster plan was written assuming you WOUILD have a car. No. No, it wasn't. The planners knew there would be at least 100,000 people who wouldn't be able to leave on short notice. They just chose not to deal with it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time for Impeachment - Shared Blame
On 9/2/05 11:15 AM, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't forget that FEMA is no longer its own federal agency. It was absorbed into the (cough) Homeland Security Department, an organization so disorganized and mismanaged so far that even its right-wing supporters say it's a madhouse. Having been involved in numerous disasters I can tell you that for many people the most FEMA offered was low interest LOANS. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can't happen here syndrome
In a message dated 9/1/05 4:36:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Again: With projects designed to prevent or mitigatethe effects of a natural disaster, it is CHEAPER FORTHE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to pay for the projects than itis to PAY FOR THE RELIEF EFFORT AND THE RECONSTRUCTION.Not to mention, in this case, having to deal with thedisruption in the oil supply.Major natural disasters affect the entire country,not just the immediate areas where they happen.It is VERY MUCH IN THE GOVERNMENT'S INTEREST to fundsuch projects.This is not real complicated to understand. Again the federal government did fund the project. It never intended to fund it 100%. And when federal funding was cut by 44% it was up to the state and local governments to make up the difference and they could have, they chose not to. What you are proposing is the city and state refuse to take any responsibility for their own protection and demand the federal government do it all and if they don't we'll make you pay for the mess should one occur. That's called blackmail. It's like a person holding a gun to his head demanding favors. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ ShockAwe/No Compassion?
In a message dated 9/1/05 4:58:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And by the way, you haven't caught me in one singlemisstatement of fact, whereas I've caught you in*at least* half a dozen. More Judy facts! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can't happen here syndrome
On 9/2/05 11:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again the federal government did fund the project. It never intended to fund it 100%. And when federal funding was cut by 44% it was up to the state and local governments to make up the difference and they could have, they chose not to. What you are proposing is the city and state refuse to take any responsibility for their own protection and demand the federal government do it all and if they don't we'll make you pay for the mess should one occur. That's called blackmail. It's like a person holding a gun to his head demanding favors. Perhaps learned helplessness can be transferred to city governments? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ ShockAwe/No Compassion?
In a message dated 9/1/05 5:29:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ...which, in turn, makes them less healthy...which, in turn, due to the intimate relationship between mind and body, makes them less capable of higher mental functioning...which, in turn, leads to lower-paying jobs...which, in turn, leads to being "poor"... Bingo! Vicious cycle. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Bosons for Dummies, Bozos and Superfluid Consciousness
Nah. Most of us live in the Unified Field. Though I do get pissed at some those bozons flying around. Bozons. Are they the particles that always laugh, never cry? Have no idea what kind of particles bozons are. (Yup, I know...) boson (bÆson), n. Physics. any particle that obeys Bose-Einstein statistics: bosons have integral spins: 0, 1, 2, Cf. fermion. [194550; named after S. N. Bose (18941974), Indian physicist; see - ON1] Thanks, Card. Yes, bosons I had heard of, but not (till yesterday) bozons... :-) Bosons are one of the two fundmental particles in nature, and a fundamental to explaining the four fundamental forces -- and are thus key to a Unified Field Theory. And Bosons are the core of high coherence phenomenon such as lasers and super fluid helium. Bozons was a play on words to fit the quip. All fundamental particles in nature can be divided into one of two categories, Fermions or Bosons. Fermion Examples: electrons, protons, neutrons, quarks, neutrinos Boson Examples: photons, 4He atoms, gluons Bosons have intrinsic angular momenta in integral units of h/(2p). For instance the spin of a photon is either +1 or -1 and the spin of a 4He atom is always zero. Many bosons can occupy a single quantum state. This allows them to behave collectively and is responsible for the behavior of lasers and superfluid helium. Only one fermion can exist in a given quantum state. This is known as the Pauli exclusion principle which is the subject of the next page. Any object which is comprised of an even number of fermions is a boson, while any particle which is comprised of an odd number of fermions is a fermion. For example, a proton is made of three quarks, hence it is a fermion. A 4He atom is made of 2 protons, 2 neutrons and 2 electrons, hence it is a boson. Bosons are also the only particles which can occupy the same state as another. All elementary particles are either bosons or fermions. Gauge bosons are elementary particles which act as the carriers of the fundamental forces such as the W vector bosons of the weak force, the gluons of the strong force, the photons of the electromagnetic force, and the graviton of the gravitational force. Particles composed of a number of other particles (such as protons or nuclei) can be either fermions or bosons, depending on their total spin. Hence, many nuclei are in fact bosons. While fermions obey the Pauli exclusion principle: no more than one fermion can occupy a single quantum state, there is no exclusion property for bosons, which are free to (and indeed, other things being equal, tend to) crowd into the same quantum state. Large numbers of bosonic atoms can collapse into the same quantum ground state in a process known as Bose-Einstein condensation. This explains the spectrum of black-body radiation and the operation of lasers, the properties of superfluid helium-4 and the possibility of bosons to form Bose-Einstein condensates, a particular state of matter. It is important to note that Bose-Einstein condensation occurs only at ultralow temperature. There is nothing exotic about bosons otherwise. At any reasonable temperatures, both the boson and fermion particles behave as classical particles, i.e. particle in a box, and follow the Maxwell-Boltzmann Statistics. Examples of bosons: * Helium-4 atoms * Sodium-23 atoms * Any nuclei with integer spins * photons, which mediate the electromagnetic force * W and Z bosons, which mediate the weak nuclear force * gluons * Higgs bosons * phonons Each quark carries one of the three types of strong charge, also called color charge. These charges have nothing to do with the colors of visible light. There are eight possible types of color charge for gluons. Just as electrically-charged particles interact by exchanging photons, in strong interactions color-charged particles interact by exchanging gluons. Leptons, photons, and W and Z bosons have no strong interaction and hence no color charge. What causes forces? Physicists think that all forces are caused by the exchange of particles. Imagine two jugglers playing on a frozen lake. When they start throwing their batons at each other, they will be pushed apart. The batons carry momentum and energy from one juggler to the other and as they are caught this momentum pushes each juggler away from the other across the slippery ice. The electromagnetic force In the same way, the electromagnetic force is carried by particles called virtual photons. Two negatively charged electrons will exchange these virtual photons and push each other apart. Notice that they are sending virtual photons out in every direction. The intensity of the virtual photons gets smaller with distance, because they are spreading out. This is why the force gets weaker with distance. It is even possible to explain why the force decreases with the square of distance. The electromagnetic
[FairfieldLife] Re: nature backlash?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It amazes me that just because MMY popularizes a technique of meditation aimed at transcending thought, all too many assume he knows lots of other stuff too. shame shame shame. He comes out with hokum, but because it is Maha-hokum, it's okay cos he's the guy who trademarked a meditation technique. Huh! His nonsense pronouncements do more harm to the TM cause than anything that TM-ex could have thought of! I have always felt the same way. TM-twenty minutes twice a day was the greatest thing going. Two hundred percent of life, meditate and act, eat what your mother puts on the table, sleep with your head in whatever direction the bed is facing, why are people asking me all these questions, I'm just a simple monk. He should have quit while he was ahead. Ii will say this: back in the day, there was a buzz among TM teachers that Maharishi had much more knowledge to share. We all lusted for that knowledge. My rationale was, if TM is good (which it is), this other stuff would be even better. The TM-Sidhis program got snatched up fast because there was such a pent-up demand for something like it. Similarly, I recall a demand for some sort of dietary program in the early mid-80s. Lots of us were experimenting and complaining on that front, perhaps because of the accumulated deleterious effects of the high-carbohydrate, low-protein diet that somehow became the standard among 'rus. When Maharishi rolled out his brand of ayurveda, it met a demand. So, in these cases at least, he was responding to demands set before him. Maharishi, what more do you have to share with us? It's kind of hard for me to blame him for making awailable stuff that, in my heart, I wanted him to share. That would be true if you view MMY as a head waiter whose job it is to cater to your every whim. - Patrick Gillam Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lack of New Orleans Response/Diverting Attention From Iraq?...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/05 1:24 AM, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could not understand the political value; In depriving the citizens trapped in New Orleans; From air drops of food and water and rafts. Help for the children and babies. The only reason I can think of: Is to divert attention away from the Iraq catastrophe. The real problems are more logistical and demographic and NOLA's own problems. There has been a white flight out of NOLA in the last two decades, which means the poorer population is what remained, this eroded the tax base. In general, the more you make in this area, the higher ground you tend to live on. The poorest people tend to live in the lowest lying areas. The disaster plans were also all predicated on the condition that you had your own transportation. Furthermore, there is a caste system in the south still. Can you look at the TV coverage and guess which ones are the untouchables? Just to give you an idea, a friend of mine who grew up in Harlem moved to NOLA out of medical school. He was black but moved into a white neighborhood. His wife and family were constantly harassed--even when they were at a supermarket. When finally they couldn't take any more and decided to leave, no one would buy their house--it had been tainted by their untouchability. They took a huge loss and left. And this doesn't happen in New York? Have you ever heard of learned helplessness and entitlement? These are yet other factors that come to the fore in a situation like this. Dubya certainly hasn't helped, but there are problems unique to this area. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
In a message dated 9/1/05 5:52:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is the Governor of Louisiana Democrat of Republican? She is a democrat as are both senators and so is the mayor of New Orleans. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: nature backlash?
--- shempmcgurk wrote: --- Patrick Gillam wrote: It's kind of hard for me to blame him for making awailable stuff that, in my heart, I wanted him to share. That would be true if you view MMY as a head waiter whose job it is to cater to your every whim. Or if I view myself as a person who can have his desires fulfilled, but at a price. - Patrick Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
You liberals are correct! Katrina is all Bush's fault! Why didn't he stop Katrina? Katrina is a vast right-wing conspiracy! Impeach Bush-- that will definitely help the situation immediately! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/05 9:51 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, no, no. You're not getting it. It isn't a matter of blaming, it's a matter of getting the feds to ACT in a halfway effective manner. Are you're expecting that to happen? They've been able to do it in previous disasters. Fed response to disasters is always the last to arrive. Why the NOLA officials don't have an effective mechanism in place and channel of communication with FEMA, et al is beyond me. Apparently they didn't even let the Feds know where they were telling people to gather! It's been public knowledge since WEDNESDAY that people were gathering at the Convention Center without food, water, or medical care. It's been all over the tube. It's a horrible situation but ultimately those who decided to stay, for whatever reason, must bear some responsibility for their own outcome. No, no. *Most* of the people who stayed did so because they could not afford to leave, had no car, no money for transportation, no place to go, no money for a hotel. You're beginning to sound like a mouthpiece for the Bush administration. I realize you feel the Feds should be there at our beck and call, but anyone who is realistic will know better. Well, actually, it's the federal government's *JOB* in the case of a disaster like this. It's easy to micromanage the situation from your perspective in front of your TV screen but armchair observations are of little help--even if they do sell papers and boost TV ratings. Gee, did I say somewhere that I thought my observations were helping anybody? Or did you make that up? Your attitude is truly disgusting. As somebody observed, if New Orleans had been invaded by Iraqi insurgents, there would have been an instant and massive effort to go in and subdue them, or at least keep them away from areas where they could interfere with the rescues. Well, that's the military's specialty! Right. But they aren't DOING IT. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Bush's America: Let the Poor Perish
What a disgrace, the pictures show; Of the soul of the United States; The empty promises; Of the Bush Administration; Is showing it's ugly face. R.Gimbel Seattle,WA.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] 1/3 of New Orleans residents would refuse eveacuation orders
Last night on NBC nightly news it was reported that about a year ago 1/3 of the people surveyed in New Orleans said they would refuse to evacuate the city if ordered to do so in the event of a hurricane approaching the city. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ ShockAwe/No Compassion?
In a message dated 9/1/05 6:38:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Better yet, Judy, here's the whole article:Hmm, it seems to be from the Heritage Foundation. Which gives you an excuse not to believe it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conservative says government has bungled relief effort
In a message dated 9/1/05 6:44:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is the Governor of Louisiana a conservative or a liberal? Liberal democrat. She needs to be very careful before she starts pointing fingers. As Jesse Jackson would say,"when you point a finger, there's three more pointing back at you". Bush has bent over backwards to provide the governors of the states with every thing they have yet to request. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can't happen here syndrome
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/1/05 4:36:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Again: With projects designed to prevent or mitigate the effects of a natural disaster, it is CHEAPER FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to pay for the projects than it is to PAY FOR THE RELIEF EFFORT AND THE RECONSTRUCTION. Not to mention, in this case, having to deal with the disruption in the oil supply. Major natural disasters affect the entire country, not just the immediate areas where they happen. It is VERY MUCH IN THE GOVERNMENT'S INTEREST to fund such projects. This is not real complicated to understand. Again the federal government did fund the project. It never intended to fund it 100%. And when federal funding was cut by 44% it was up to the state and local governments to make up the difference and they could have, they chose not to. What you are proposing is the city and state refuse to take any responsibility for their own protection and demand the federal government do it all and if they don't we'll make you pay for the mess should one occur. That's called blackmail. It's like a person holding a gun to his head demanding favors. Why was it that after 9-11 Rudy Giuliani became known as America's Mayor? I think it's because, first and foremost, it is the local officials who must take responsibility for disasters. And then there was Pataki on the scene as well. Certainly, Bush entered the scene and gave moral support as well as federal funds and, of course, because the attack was from the air, the federal Air Force got involved and air traffic stopped for several days...but my image is of the local and state officials taking charge and running the show. Certainly, things are NOT being run properly and, yes, it is fair and proper to assign blame. But why the apparent focus on the Feds? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ ShockAwe/No Compassion?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/1/05 4:58:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And by the way, you haven't caught me in one single misstatement of fact, whereas I've caught you in *at least* half a dozen. More Judy facts! Right. And here are the misstatements you've caught me in. Go ahead, fill them in: 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. ...? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 1/3 of New Orleans residents would refuse eveacuation orders
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night on NBC nightly news it was reported that about a year ago 1/3 of the people surveyed in New Orleans said they would refuse to evacuate the city if ordered to do so in the event of a hurricane approaching the city. Do you mean to say that some of the people who were subjected to the hell of life in New Orleans post-Katrina could actually be PARTIALLY responsible for their own suffering? Sorry, MDixon, this is a proposition with implications too horrible to contemplate. You see, many if not most of those who stayed behind are poor people. And, you see, if you are proposing that these people are possessed of free choice and free will responsible for the fruits of their own actions, you will be elevating them to a position of equality with everyone else in America. And this would mean that liberals couldn't make excuses for them anymore. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can't happen here syndrome
On 9/2/05 12:37 PM, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why was it that after 9-11 Rudy Giuliani became known as America's Mayor? I think it's because, first and foremost, it is the local officials who must take responsibility for disasters. And then there was Pataki on the scene as well. Certainly, Bush entered the scene and gave moral support as well as federal funds and, of course, because the attack was from the air, the federal Air Force got involved and air traffic stopped for several days...but my image is of the local and state officials taking charge and running the show. And you are correct, usually the mayors and governors do run the show. They often also foster resources from the Fed which otherwise doesn't just happen on it's own or simply show up. Certainly, things are NOT being run properly and, yes, it is fair and proper to assign blame. But why the apparent focus on the Feds? Who knows? Repressed anger? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can't happen here syndrome
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/1/05 4:36:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Again: With projects designed to prevent or mitigate the effects of a natural disaster, it is CHEAPER FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to pay for the projects than it is to PAY FOR THE RELIEF EFFORT AND THE RECONSTRUCTION. Not to mention, in this case, having to deal with the disruption in the oil supply. Major natural disasters affect the entire country, not just the immediate areas where they happen. It is VERY MUCH IN THE GOVERNMENT'S INTEREST to fund such projects. This is not real complicated to understand. Again the federal government did fund the project. It never intended to fund it 100%. And when federal funding was cut by 44% it was up to the state and local governments to make up the difference and they could have, they chose not to. What you are proposing is the city and state refuse to take any responsibility for their own protection and demand the federal government do it all and if they don't we'll make you pay for the mess should one occur. That's called blackmail. It's like a person holding a gun to his head demanding favors. Why was it that after 9-11 Rudy Giuliani became known as America's Mayor? I think it's because, first and foremost, it is the local officials who must take responsibility for disasters. And then there was Pataki on the scene as well. Certainly, Bush entered the scene and gave moral support as well as federal funds and, of course, because the attack was from the air, the federal Air Force got involved and air traffic stopped for several days...but my image is of the local and state officials taking charge and running the show. Certainly, things are NOT being run properly and, yes, it is fair and proper to assign blame. But why the apparent focus on the Feds? Do you suppose part of it was that after 9/11, except for the immediate area of the disaster, the city's infrastructure was still working just fine and we didn't *need* the feds to come in? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ ShockAwe/No Compassion?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/1/05 4:58:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And by the way, you haven't caught me in one single misstatement of fact, whereas I've caught you in *at least* half a dozen. More Judy facts! Right. And here are the misstatements you've caught me in. Go ahead, fill them in: 1. painfully skinny children you claim to have seen on TV. 2. The grindingly poor people you claim live in the United States. 3. 4. 5. 6. ...? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
On 9/2/05 12:42 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, I see. So they're just being stubborn, then. huge merciful snip No you don't. Any conclusions you draw are your own and in no way reflect what I was saying. I simply commented I know a poor person who is has walked over there and also back to the FQ. He was able to eat and get water. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can't happen here syndrome
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/1/05 4:36:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Again: With projects designed to prevent or mitigate the effects of a natural disaster, it is CHEAPER FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to pay for the projects than it is to PAY FOR THE RELIEF EFFORT AND THE RECONSTRUCTION. Not to mention, in this case, having to deal with the disruption in the oil supply. Major natural disasters affect the entire country, not just the immediate areas where they happen. It is VERY MUCH IN THE GOVERNMENT'S INTEREST to fund such projects. This is not real complicated to understand. Again the federal government did fund the project. It never intended to fund it 100%. And when federal funding was cut by 44% it was up to the state and local governments to make up the difference and they could have, they chose not to. What you are proposing is the city and state refuse to take any responsibility for their own protection and demand the federal government do it all and if they don't we'll make you pay for the mess should one occur. That's called blackmail. It's like a person holding a gun to his head demanding favors. Why was it that after 9-11 Rudy Giuliani became known as America's Mayor? I think it's because, first and foremost, it is the local officials who must take responsibility for disasters. And then there was Pataki on the scene as well. Certainly, Bush entered the scene and gave moral support as well as federal funds and, of course, because the attack was from the air, the federal Air Force got involved and air traffic stopped for several days...but my image is of the local and state officials taking charge and running the show. Certainly, things are NOT being run properly and, yes, it is fair and proper to assign blame. But why the apparent focus on the Feds? Do you suppose part of it was that after 9/11, except for the immediate area of the disaster, the city's infrastructure was still working just fine and we didn't *need* the feds to come in? All bridges to the city closed off? Much of telephone communication cut off? Roads clogged? Sorry, I don't think that is indicative of infrastructure working just fine. Regardless, it is obvious that the disaster relief in NOLA is NOT working right. Should Big Brother in Washington be the one responsible? I wonder whether if it were terrorists who blew up the 3 or 4 levee sections that appear to be the cause of all the flooding whether it would be the Feds who would everyone would be blaming? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Progress w/Yagna by Choice
I've continued to read URLs sent to me and exchange emails with the Yagna by Choice people. BTW, they tell me they decided to call it Yagna because MMY choose a less accepted form of spelling and also because their yagnas involve more of the Vedic steps, like long Sankalpa, feeding of people, and so on, which apparantly MY did not include. I have always felt a pinch when signing up for even a $10 puja. There was always a little birdie inside which said to me you're blowing your money on something that'll get you nowhere and nothing. Perhaps one of the reasons for the pinch I felt was that I don't feel the same amount of the devotion Ben mentioned in his post as I do when I light a candle or put money in the poor box at a Catholic church, be it here, in Mexico, or even a Coptic or Orthodox church in the East. I've always believed in the power of the Virgin Mary, even before she came to see me one night when I was a youngster and gave me the feeling (she didn't speak) that everything was going to be alright. I've discovered a number of things about these YBC people. One is that they make sense. They don't spend loads of time on the phone doing jyotish consultations then when I ask for one, am given very general words about symbols and no remedies. They don't look at your chart, suggest a few planetary yagyas and say they'd be willing to accept feedback which they won't act upon no sooner than 60 days after the yagyas. They don't say, when you complain that things didn't work, that we'd better repeat this or that yagya. Real scientific. The Turning Point, the place where you've gone from remediation to avoidance then eventually to augmentation and Support of Nature can be mathematically calculated based on your Jyotish outlook and the yagyas performed. There's an expectation that you will reach the turning point. There's a refusal to perform intentional yagyas unless the proper planets are first appeased. Quite refreshing. Quite what I've been looking for. OK, so maybe I'm being taken by another TMO ride of making everything sound so scientific, mathematical, logical. Look at the alternative. Get a Jyotish consultation, a prescription and no real expectation that things will work? Or just pouring money down the drain on yagyas with other people who appear to not have a clue? I thought it over, I listened to the Self within. I've decided to go for the crash Jump Start. I'll do all three months of the big jump starts all at once, in September. If I wasted my money because this is all a scam, a hope and a dream, at least I'll have /felt/ that I was doing the right thing. It feels as right to do this as it does to pick up my rosary or light a candle in church and pray to the Virgin Mary. This feels right. Other donations to Blessingsonthenet, individual temples, Puja.net, Dixit, Yajna.com felt more like I was buying a lottery ticket. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...
In a message dated 9/1/05 7:40:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not being coy here. I truly would like for one of you -- maybe both of you -- to explain how anti-war activities show hatred for police and the military. Patrick, it was the far left that labeled the military as baby killers and murderers and butchers and spat on them and called Police"pigs". It was President Clinton that wrote a letter stating that he "loathed the military". It was his wife that insisted Marines not wear military uniforms in the White House because it made her uncomfortable. I could go on and on and pull up plenty of quotes that might make you feel uncomfortable. Even the military people perceive this. Especially when they are protested while in combat ,which gives aid and comfort to the ones they are fighting, and told they are doing a lousy job. It was Jane Fonda that handed over the pieces of paper, with names, she had been palmed with by American prisoners of war in Hanoi, to the prison guards. It was John Effin Kerry that came back and testified before congress that his comrades were war criminals. Do I need to go on? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] TM question for Judy
I don't know whether it is because you just didn't see my question to you posted a day or two ago or whether you chose not to respond, but I'd like to ask you to respond to a question I posed to you in message #70057 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conservative says government has bungled relief effort
In a message dated 9/1/05 9:03:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's not been scripted by Karl Rove ahead of time. No, it's just emmotionalism. Jack didn't have all the facts nor did he have the ones he mentioned correct. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
On 9/2/05 12:59 PM, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No you don't. Any conclusions you draw are your own and in no way reflect what I was saying. I simply commented I know a poor person who is has walked over there and also back to the FQ. He was able to eat and get water. Actually just heard again from my friend in the FQ. Here's what I have: People are going around offering water food they loot to other survivors with mantras of may you never thirst fear is the mind killer. They've looted a little water food. Violence is minimal-- most people are pulling together helping each other He's had a water one MRE. People recognize him (he's a popular cult figure and author) he reports how friendly and supportive most everyone is... trying to keep morale high. Buses did turn up at the convention center yesterday but they were without guards/support and had to turn back. The police are preventing people from moving around once they are in an area, so it is effectively like a concentration camp. Apparently military convoys are just arriving with food and water. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Can't happen here syndrome
In a message dated 9/1/05 9:21:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The federal government always paysfor projects like this. This is simply the way it'sdone in this country. It would have cost billions ofdollars to get the levees up to where they could havewithstood this storm. The entire budget for the stateof Louisiana is only about 16 billion dollars, andit's likely that health care for state employees andthe poor is at least 4 billion of that. No way wouldany state spend that kind of money on a project ofthat magnitude. Not exactly true. The federal government doesn't normally pay 100% for these kinds of projects. Usually a percentage. And that percentage could vary. New Orleans and the state of Louisiana could have easily raised the money needed by imposing a tax on Hotels and rental cars. This would have hit the tourists instead of the poor and with New Orleans being a tourist city they could have financed the project very quickly. Of course there are other ways of financing such projects as well. The way I see it, city, parish and state officials thought they could gamble on not needing the reinforcements until they could get the feds to pay more later down the road. Bad Decision! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Responsibility and Compassion vs Blame
In times of stress, blaming becomes, in part, a venting and coping mechanism, and is understandable. However, I suggest responsibility is a better way to look at it. Asking where is the responsibility is more productive than asking where is the blame. It focuses attention on improving responsibility now, to reduce such problems in the future. This is in contrast to, and instead of, sometimes vindictivly, blaming many in the present which often leads to defensive mechanisms that hinder all involved parties to identify responsibility roles and using the current situation to motivate improved responsibility roles now and in th future. There are many levels of responsibilities. On a basic level, people choose to live in higher risk areas because they are drawn to other redeeming features of the area which overshadow the danger. Everyone in the SF Bay Area knows tht the BIG One will hit someday. And when it does it will be a disaster that no one can adequately prepare for. But for decades, people still flock to live there, despite the dangers. It may be quite a rational choice. But for a good part, it does involve choice. Same with people building on mudslide prone steep hills in southern california, or coast hugging houses in hrricane country -- the whole south and southeastern seaboard. In the same vein, everyone in NO was aware of the someday possible danger of a big one hittng, and massive flooding. They chose the NO environment and its many attractions over the seemingly, but well acknowledged danger. (And not everyone has a choice. Poverty, familily responsibilites etc can lock someone into an area. But over a decade or so, most people who are intent on leaving an area, can.) People have a choice, and an opportunity, if not a responsibility, to have an emergency supply of food and water, fuel, batteries, axes, flares, etc to live out a disaster for several weeks. Many chose not to do so, rather spending the funds on other things, or just out of lack of attention. In regards to political responsibilities, in a democracy, people have a responsibility to go beyond sound bites and 30 second slur ads to understand the issues. And to understand that their choices have deep consequences in terms of planning and prevention. Many people pro and anti Bush, I think acknowledge his intellectual and management deficits. In the last election, the issue was that some felt safer fighting the evil-doers across the sea instead of on our doorstep. That may have been a deeply researched and well thought out position for some. For many though, I beleive it was a gut reaction to what amounts to media vomit. They made voting decisions based not on a deep analysis of the issues, but more based on bravado and jingoistic calls for glory, retribution and a false sense of security. For that they bear a responsibility. But Bush is just an easy example. The main point is that ANY elelcted official, on any point of the political spectrum, can be a deep thinking, far forward looking, compassionate being that really looks out for the long term welfare of the citizens in his area. And some politicians, on any point of the political spectrum, can be superficial, manipulative, short-term self-interest focussed weasles. Its the responsibility of voters to figure out who is who and vote appropriately. Some believe in karma, others don't. I respect both postions. However, for those that do believe in karma, its hard to see how they can disconnect personal responsibility for what occurs to each and everyone of us. And that such returning karma is an oppportunity for learning -- whether it is winning the lottery so to speak, or getting slammed in a hurricane. I am listening to Some Tolle tapes currently. Unlike TMO dogma, its his view that intense suffering can be the catalyst that leads to an awakening. Not a necessary thing, but a sufficient thing. Who is to say that the suffering in NO won't lead to a wave of awakenings? That is not a of course a rationalization, justifying policies that lead to suffering. Just the opposite really. But when suffering does happen, and it will, it appears that just looking to the surface of it, is an incomplete view. Silver linings in clouds and all. Mnay other levels of responsibiliy exist and could be examined. But shifting gears, back to the blame vs responsibility question, it appears that blame promotes the opposite of cooperativeness and compassion. Positively looking for responsibility lessons, that is, regardless of how well or badly I have done here, I see how I can do better next time. It promotes a certain compassion and humility for oneself and for others. Focusing on solutions and improvement, not retribution. And compassion is a key. One teacher I like, when visiting a center for deeply challenged children, was asked, on the side, if it was not the karma of these children that left them in this state. He said, It is, but it also provides us the opportunity, it is also our karma, to
[FairfieldLife] Naadopaasana-Worship of Sound
Naadopaasana Naadopaasana (worship the Sound) is a great spiritual science itself. Our scriptures declare Nada as Nada Brahma meaning thereby that Nada itself is the Supreme Power. Nada, when concentrated and devotedly meditated upon, opens the doors of the Divine and leads the saadhaka (aspirant) to merge and be one with the Supreme Lord. A musician also uses nada; but uses his music for earning his livelihood and for name and fame as a musician. He is no different from any other engrossed in the material world unconscious of his spiritual being. But when music is exclusively employed as a spiritual discipline to please the Lord and have His vision, nada will take the upaasaka (meditator) to the highest level of consciousness raising him to that perfection which is the fulfillment of human life. - Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji Jai Guru Datta! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Responsibility (Re: Can't happen here syndrome)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why was it that after 9-11 Rudy Giuliani became known as America's Mayor? I think it's because, first and foremost, it is the local officials who must take responsibility for disasters. With acknowledged respect for Giuliani in his management, straight fowardness and 24/7 dedication in the 9/11 disaster, and some degree of admiration of him since his DA days, I was struck by his incomplete even recalcitrant stances on some aspects of responsibility. A few days after the attack, the Saudi ambassador to the US presented him and the city of NYC a check for $10 million. In his short speech, in acknowledging the horror of the event, also petitioned Americans to try to understand how such twisted motivations arise, a call to better understand the palestinian refugee issues and calls for a soverign homeland, the religious objections to american presence in the country of Mecca and Medina, etc. Giuliani refused the check and with some self-rightousness, made a big point of not accepting any money that makes some moral equivalency comparisions of the 9/11 attack and American actions, direct and indirect, in the middle east. There is no moral equivalency to this horror its this sort of self-rightous blind sidedness and arrogance that is at the root of many of Americas problems internationally. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ ShockAwe/No Compassion?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/1/05 4:58:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And by the way, you haven't caught me in one single misstatement of fact, whereas I've caught you in *at least* half a dozen. More Judy facts! Right. And here are the misstatements you've caught me in. Go ahead, fill them in: 1. painfully skinny children you claim to have seen on TV. That's amazing, Shemp. You know everything I've seen on TV and know for a fact that I haven't seen any painfully skinny children, right? So, what am I looking at on TV right now? 2. The grindingly poor people you claim live in the United States. Ya know, if you're going to accuse me of misstating facts, you really ought to be able to accurately quote what I've stated. Once you've done that, I'll comment. 3. 4. 5. 6. ...? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/1/05 7:40:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not being coy here. I truly would like for one of you -- maybe both of you -- to explain how anti-war activities show hatred for police and the military. Patrick, it was the far left that labeled the military as baby killers and murderers and butchers and spat on them and called Police pigs. It was President Clinton that wrote a letter stating that he loathed the military. It was his wife that insisted Marines not wear military uniforms in the White House because it made her uncomfortable. I could go on and on and pull up plenty of quotes that might make you feel uncomfortable. Even the military people perceive this. Especially when they are protested while in combat ,which gives aid and comfort to the ones they are fighting, and told they are doing a lousy job. It was Jane Fonda that handed over the pieces of paper, with names, she had been palmed with by American prisoners of war in Hanoi, to the prison guards. It was John Effin Kerry that came back and testified before congress that his comrades were war criminals. Do I need to go on? No, I think I got the picture. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
In a message dated 9/2/05 1:25:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ??? There are 200,000 people currently inside New Orleans from what I have read. Within a few days, they will ALL be sick or even dying.You tell me what your amazing rescue effort is accomplishing right now. I think that food and water started coming in last night via helicopter and they have the airport open now which will allow faster delivery of essentials by chopper to the inner city. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The press release many of us suspect is coming
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We say this over and over again on this newsgroup, but it speaks volumns about the present state of the TMO when outrageous satire of the TMO is initially perceived as rational movement discourse! Does it speak volumes about the present state of the TMO, or about how people on this forum tend to perceive the TMO? I knew this was satire after reading the title. Question for Judy: I believe that you started TM around the time I did: early '70s. Would you have started TM at that time if: 1) you were presented at your intro lecture with a photograph of a guy sitting on one half of a scale being weighed in gold? 2) If the lecturer told you that peace and harmony in the world was contingent upon whether the entrance to your home was in an easterly direction? 3) that democracy be damned? 4) that all evil in the world is caused by the United States (actually, strike that question, you would have answered yes to that one!). 5) that, on the way out of the intro lecture, could you please stop off in our little kiosk and buy some Maharishi Honey for about $50.00 at pound? 6) ...and pay for the honey with Raam's? 7) ...and consider investing your hard-earned money in a buying one of our $600 billion agriculture bonds? Actually, Shemp, that's a good set of questions for determining if the current TMO is really an org for 'teaching Trancendental Meditation'. JohnY Shemp, JohnY: The questions validate another question I saw, somewher -- here, I think -- Is the TMO necessary at all? What purpose does it serve? Considering the questions above, what exactly does it validate!! From the earliest days, MMY set up centres. If TM had been about TM (and not totally about MMY), then he could have set up some one in each centre to train teachers and set up other centres. He might actually have accomplished his world plan in the first 10 years. MMY's own behaviour invalidates his own claim to want to spiritually regenerate the world. In what possible way could the TMO be seen to be spreading peace and happiness of the kind MMY talked about in the old days? In Paul Mason's bio of MMY (maybe more here and at a.m.t. need to read this; it's quite good), page 97, he quotes from (I presume) *Seven States of Consciousness*: ... when everything is easy and one's life is fully supported by nature, every thought will be materialized. ... I suspect that MMY anticipated that huge support for his enterprise would just pour in, just naturally materialize. What does it say about his highly evolved condition that it simply did not materialize and he had to start charging money for what he had originally said was freely given? What does it say about his ethics that what obviously didn't work for him (even though he did have lots of success) was something he promised others in the above quote? It's easy to be too hard on MMY. He started out doing a decent thing and ended up being hoist with his own petard! It really doesn't say much about his highly evolved condition, this TMO. G Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/2/05 12:42 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, I see. So they're just being stubborn, then. huge merciful snip No you don't. Any conclusions you draw are your own and in no way reflect what I was saying. I simply commented I know a poor person who is has walked over there and also back to the FQ. He was able to eat and get water. Goodness gracious, you seem inadvertently to have snipped the comment of yours I was responding to: You'd have to ask him, but anyone from NOLA would be aware as they are connected and dry. Now, let's see, anyone from NOLA would seem to include just about everyone at the Convention Center, right? So what you're saying is that just about everyone at the Convention Center knows that food and water are available within walking distance. Have I got it so far? Yet the people at the Convention Center are screaming bloody murder that they have no food and water; and babies and old and sick people are known to have died there of dehydration. So: If food and water is in fact available within walking distance, and they all know about it, yet they're loudly complaining they have no food and water and that people are dying because of it... Seems to me you have to posit that they're all lying about being in need, all umpty-thousand of them. I'd love to hear what other conclusion one could draw. Given, of course, that your facts are correct. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Vasishta on investigation of the nature of the world
In the Vasishta Ramayana, or otherwise referred to as Yoga Vasishta, the great rishi tells Lord Rama VI.2:128. For of what use is investigation into the nature of the world and others, which are but the nature of a dream; wise men to not waste their time talking about useless things. Jaya Guru Datta Hari Om Tat Sat Hanuman Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
On 9/2/05 1:57 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what you're saying is that just about everyone at the Convention Center knows that food and water are available within walking distance. Actually it just arrived. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can't happen here syndrome
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/1/05 4:36:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Again: With projects designed to prevent or mitigate the effects of a natural disaster, it is CHEAPER FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to pay for the projects than it is to PAY FOR THE RELIEF EFFORT AND THE RECONSTRUCTION. Not to mention, in this case, having to deal with the disruption in the oil supply. Major natural disasters affect the entire country, not just the immediate areas where they happen. It is VERY MUCH IN THE GOVERNMENT'S INTEREST to fund such projects. This is not real complicated to understand. Again the federal government did fund the project. It never intended to fund it 100%. And when federal funding was cut by 44% it was up to the state and local governments to make up the difference and they could have, they chose not to. What you are proposing is the city and state refuse to take any responsibility for their own protection and demand the federal government do it all and if they don't we'll make you pay for the mess should one occur. That's called blackmail. It's like a person holding a gun to his head demanding favors. Why was it that after 9-11 Rudy Giuliani became known as America's Mayor? I think it's because, first and foremost, it is the local officials who must take responsibility for disasters. And then there was Pataki on the scene as well. Certainly, Bush entered the scene and gave moral support as well as federal funds and, of course, because the attack was from the air, the federal Air Force got involved and air traffic stopped for several days...but my image is of the local and state officials taking charge and running the show. Certainly, things are NOT being run properly and, yes, it is fair and proper to assign blame. But why the apparent focus on the Feds? Do you suppose part of it was that after 9/11, except for the immediate area of the disaster, the city's infrastructure was still working just fine and we didn't *need* the feds to come in? All bridges to the city closed off? Much of telephone communication cut off? Roads clogged? Sorry, I don't think that is indicative of infrastructure working just fine. Well, actually what it's indicative of is that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Phone service was just fine everywhere but in the immediate area. TV and radio stations affected by the disaster quickly found other ways to transmit. Electricity was still on and water still running all over New York except in the immediate area. There were no shortages of food or any other supplies. Hospitals weren't affected. Mail service wasn't interrupted except to and from the immediate area. The bridges were closed only temporarily, I believe only the first day. Roads weren't clogged any more than they usually are. As I said, New York's infrastructure, in stark contrast to that of New Orleans, was in working order *except* for the immediate area of the disaster. Most people's lives weren't affected at all, except psychologically. In other words, bad as it was, it was so different from New Orleans that your attempted comparison is just ludicrous. Regardless, it is obvious that the disaster relief in NOLA is NOT working right. Should Big Brother in Washington be the one responsible? I wonder whether if it were terrorists who blew up the 3 or 4 levee sections that appear to be the cause of all the flooding whether it would be the Feds who would everyone would be blaming? I imagine that if the feds' response was anything like what it has been in New Orleans, everybody would be blaming them for an incompetent relief effort, yes, indeedy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The press release many of us suspect is coming
Shremp, your question about starting meditation resonates with me. I too started in the era you mention - in October 1970 - and I started because Bevan Morris indicated to my girlfriend and myself that not only does one get an expanded consciousness by meditating but that one also enjoys listening to records more! As a musician that made me pay attention. Now he was right on both counts, but what he didn't tell us was that there was an organisation to promote TM that was paranoid and defensive about a whole bunch of stuff. Better not to mention The Beatles, hippies, drugs, other forms of meditation, religions etc etc And there were pictures of an elderly Indian swami about, but not one westerner knew of a word the man had ever said! Yet the chant of greeting was 'Jai Guru Dev'. How can you wish victory to a man you know nothing about? TM should be taught by people with a genuine understanding of what meditation is about an ability to deal with sincere questions without paranoia, defensiveness and absurd sales hype. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We say this over and over again on this newsgroup, but it speaks volumns about the present state of the TMO when outrageous satire of the TMO is initially perceived as rational movement discourse! Does it speak volumes about the present state of the TMO, or about how people on this forum tend to perceive the TMO? I knew this was satire after reading the title. Question for Judy: I believe that you started TM around the time I did: early '70s. Would you have started TM at that time if: 1) you were presented at your intro lecture with a photograph of a guy sitting on one half of a scale being weighed in gold? 2) If the lecturer told you that peace and harmony in the world was contingent upon whether the entrance to your home was in an easterly direction? 3) that democracy be damned? 4) that all evil in the world is caused by the United States (actually, strike that question, you would have answered yes to that one!). 5) that, on the way out of the intro lecture, could you please stop off in our little kiosk and buy some Maharishi Honey for about $50.00 at pound? 6) ...and pay for the honey with Raam's? 7) ...and consider investing your hard-earned money in a buying one of our $600 billion agriculture bonds? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The destruction of New Orleans, the purification of A...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/1/05 7:40:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not being coy here. I truly would like for one of you -- maybe both of you -- to explain how anti-war activities show hatred for police and the military. Patrick, it was the far left that labeled the military as baby killers and murderers and butchers and spat on them and called Police pigs. I do believe that was during the Vietnam War, not the war in Iraq. It was President Clinton that wrote a letter stating that he loathed the military. It was his wife that insisted Marines not wear military uniforms in the White House because it made her uncomfortable. Neither of which indicate what you're trying to suggest, of course. (Just in case you missed it, by the way, Hillary Clinton happens to be quite the Iraq war hawk.) I could go on and on and pull up plenty of quotes that might make you feel uncomfortable. Even the military people perceive this. Especially when they are protested while in combat It's not the military that's being protested. It's the government that sent them to Iraq. ,which gives aid and comfort to the ones they are fighting, and told they are doing a lousy job. Why don't you try to find a quote from an antiwar activist claiming the military are doing a lousy job? As Barry would say, we'll wait. It was Jane Fonda that handed over the pieces of paper, with names, she had been palmed with by American prisoners of war in Hanoi, to the prison guards. Hmm, I do believe that was the Vietnam War as well. It was John Effin Kerry that came back and testified before congress that his comrades were war criminals. Actually, Kerry was repeating stories that the vets themselves had related *about* themselves. He didn't accuse them of anything they hadn't accused themselves of. And he was always totally supportive of the troops. Again, it was the government he was criticizing, never the troops themselves. Do I need to go on? No, that's quite enough; don't embarrass yourself any further. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The press release many of us suspect is coming
Ah, I see at least one person had the balls to answer Shemp's questions. :-) I'll make it two -- No Fuckin' Way would I have had anything to do with such an organization. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shremp, your question about starting meditation resonates with me. I too started in the era you mention - in October 1970 - and I started because Bevan Morris indicated to my girlfriend and myself that not only does one get an expanded consciousness by meditating but that one also enjoys listening to records more! As a musician that made me pay attention. Now he was right on both counts, but what he didn't tell us was that there was an organisation to promote TM that was paranoid and defensive about a whole bunch of stuff. Better not to mention The Beatles, hippies, drugs, other forms of meditation, religions etc And there were pictures of an elderly Indian swami about, but not 1 westerner knew of a word the man had ever said! Yet the chant of greeting was 'Jai Guru Dev'. How can you wish victory to a man you know nothing about? TM should be taught by people with a genuine understanding of what meditation is about an ability to deal with sincere questions without paranoia, defensiveness and absurd sales hype. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We say this over and over again on this newsgroup, but it speaks volumns about the present state of the TMO when outrageous satire of the TMO is initially perceived as rational movement discourse! Does it speak volumes about the present state of the TMO, or about how people on this forum tend to perceive the TMO? I knew this was satire after reading the title. Question for Judy: I believe that you started TM around the time I did: early '70s. Would you have started TM at that time if: 1) you were presented at your intro lecture with a photograph of a guy sitting on one half of a scale being weighed in gold? 2) If the lecturer told you that peace and harmony in the world was contingent upon whether the entrance to your home was in an easterly direction? 3) that democracy be damned? 4) that all evil in the world is caused by the United States (actually, strike that question, you would have answered yes that one!). 5) that, on the way out of the intro lecture, could you please stop off in our little kiosk and buy some Maharishi Honey for about $50.00 a pound? 6) ...and pay for the honey with Raam's? 7) ...and consider investing your hard-earned money in a buying one of our $600 billion agriculture bonds? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
In a message dated 9/2/05 9:15:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fed response to disasters is always the last to arrive. Why the NOLAofficials don't have an effective mechanism in place and channel ofcommunication with FEMA, et al is beyond me. Apparently they didn't even letthe Feds know where they were telling people to gather!It's a horrible situation but ultimately those who decided to stay, forwhatever reason, must bear some responsibility for their own outcome. Irealize you feel the Feds should be there at our beck and call, but anyonewho is realistic will know better.It's easy to micromanage the situation from your perspective in front ofyour TV screen but armchair observations are of little help--even if they dosell papers and boost TV ratings. Vaj you have a very good perspective, intellectual, not emotional perspective of the situation. NOLA and LA. are supposed to plans ready for these kinds of events and the Feds aid those plans. There is a terrible lack of communication on everybody's part which makes the whole thing even more frustrating. The feds have given the governor everything she has asked for and more. Obviously it's the feds that are having to come in and clean up the lack of preparedness of the local governments. things could have been further along had the Governor grown some balls and declared martial law with a shoot to kill policy a couple of days ago. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Responsibility (Re: Can't happen here syndrome)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why was it that after 9-11 Rudy Giuliani became known as America's Mayor? I think it's because, first and foremost, it is the local officials who must take responsibility for disasters. With acknowledged respect for Giuliani in his management, straight fowardness and 24/7 dedication in the 9/11 disaster, and some degree of admiration of him since his DA days, I was struck by his incomplete even recalcitrant stances on some aspects of responsibility. A few days after the attack, the Saudi ambassador to the US presented him and the city of NYC a check for $10 million. In his short speech, in acknowledging the horror of the event, also petitioned Americans to try to understand how such twisted motivations arise, a call to better understand the palestinian refugee issues and calls for a soverign homeland, the religious objections to american presence in the country of Mecca and Medina, etc. Giuliani refused the check and with some self-rightousness, made a big point of not accepting any money that makes some moral equivalency comparisions of the 9/11 attack and American actions, direct and indirect, in the middle east. There is no moral equivalency to this horror its this sort of self-rightous blind sidedness and arrogance that is at the root of many of Americas problems internationally. I totally and completely disagree with you. Indeed, the incident you describe above is, in my opinion, Rudy's shiningest moment. For the Saudi to bring up the Palestinian problem at that time and tie it into the giving of the check was inappropriate and wrong. Rudy would have been taking the equivalent of blood money. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Stranded in New Orleans/ ShockAwe/No Compassion?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/1/05 4:58:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And by the way, you haven't caught me in one single misstatement of fact, whereas I've caught you in *at least* half a dozen. More Judy facts! Right. And here are the misstatements you've caught me in. Go ahead, fill them in: 1. painfully skinny children you claim to have seen on TV. That's amazing, Shemp. You know everything I've seen on TV and know for a fact that I haven't seen any painfully skinny children, right? So, what am I looking at on TV right now? 2. The grindingly poor people you claim live in the United States. Ya know, if you're going to accuse me of misstating facts, you really ought to be able to accurately quote what I've stated. Once you've done that, I'll comment. I think I'll conclude you don't have anything to add. 3. 4. 5. 6. ...? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Actually just heard again from my friend in the FQ. Here's what I have: People are going around offering water food they loot to other survivors with mantras of may you never thirst fear is the mind killer. They've looted a little water food. Looted water and food...interesting use of terms. Violence is minimal-- most people are pulling together helping each other Yes, that's what the media have been reporting. It's quite amazing given their desperate situation. He's had a water one MRE. People recognize him (he's a popular cult figure and author) he reports how friendly and supportive most everyone is... trying to keep morale high. Buses did turn up at the convention center yesterday but they were without guards/support and had to turn back. Why, if everything was so peaceful? The police are preventing people from moving around once they are in an area, so it is effectively like a concentration camp. Ah. Maybe that's why they didn't all just take a little stroll and help themselves to food and water. You think? Apparently military convoys are just arriving with food and water. That's what I've been reading. Some of the news stories are saying trucks with food and water have actually reached the Convention Center, but I haven't seen any film of it yet, so that may just be wishful thinking on the basis that they *intend* to go to the Convention Center. It looks like things are *finally* starting to look up for the Convention Center folks. But it took too f*cking long. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
