[FairfieldLife] A most beautiful question....
So my brother asks me, Why do we see a flower as beautiful? The answer, my brother, is that the flower is a reminder of the spiritual home within ourselves. You see, when we see a flower in nature it is a 'clue' as to what is hidden underneath, i.e. beauty, love, God. The flower tips us off as to the 'nature' of the creator and we in turn respond because that very creator is within us as well, as ourselves. There you go...thanks to Maharishi! BillyG. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. The please tell us what does give validity? Well, there are tens of thousands of refereed journals. There is a substantial hierarchy of peer-reviewed journals that range from the best and most important journals for the best and most important research at the top, all the way down to 3rd tier low funded, rarely read journals from 3rd tier universities, sometimes a bit of a vanity press at the bottom. Better journals will have a very strong advisory board. They will have high submital rates -- everyone wants to be published in these journals. They mean a lot on a resume or curriculum vitae. . They will have high standards and accept a relatively low percent of submitals for publications. The reviewers will be the tops in thier field. The journal will have large numbers of attributions to articles in it from other academic papers. On the other hand, third tier journals will be at the other end of the scale for these paramenters. They have few submitals and publish most anything submitted after checking for gross errors. So simply being published in any peer reviewed journal is not a guarantee of stellar work. It some journals it is, in others not. As I said in prior post, important also is the debate in letters to the editor about the article -- critiques from a much wider range of experts than the peer review process. And does the article generate sufficient interest and credibility that other researchers can cite it and build on it in subsequent research and funding proposals. If its exciting, ground breaking, strong research, it will be cited often and used as reference to gain funding for more reseach in that area. Funding review is often more important than peer review in journals -- particularly lower tier ones. Research committees have dollars to spend, and are under pressure for results, for funding good research. Careers are on the line. And people are being paid professionally to review and critique the funding proposal. On the other hand, peer review is usually anonomous and virually always unpaid. A reviewer gets no direct acknowledgment and no fuding for his research. Its kind of a thankless job and sometimes a minimum amout of effort is put into it. The fact that these peer reviewed studies have generated few cites, and no new research outside of TMO researchers (from what I can see) and no funding outside of the TMO, speaks to the quality of the research and the peer prestige of the researchers. The studies and researchers generally not highly respected leaders in thier fields, are not associated with institutions known for strong independent research, and the research does not appear to be well acknowledged as advancing the field. Please inform the scientific community and the world of your technique, See above. and tell Maharishi, because he thought for 30 years that the peer-review scientific process was the best way to test a theory. I did too, until you broke the news that it doesn't. Sorry that you appear to be such a TB with regards to the peer review process. It has its strong side, and many merits. But it has its weak side, as touched on above. Its not perfect. The standards for whats good enough range widely across the universe of PR journals. Some are quite stringent, others correct just glaring mistakes. And the PR process does not prevent fraud. Peer review, in scientific journals, assumes that the article reviewed has been honestly written, and the process is not designed to detect fraud. The reviewers usually do not have full access to the data from which the paper has been written and some elements have to be taken on trust (except perhaps in subjects such as mathematics). The number and proportion of articles which are detected as fraudulent at review stage is unknown. Some instances of outright scientific fraud and scientific misconduct have got through review and were detected only after other groups tried and failed to replicate the published results. An example is the case of Jan Hendrik Schön, in which a total of fifteen papers were accepted for publication in the top ranked journals Nature and Science following the usual peer review process. All fifteen were found to be fraudulent and were subsequently withdrawn. The fraud was eventually detected, not by peer review, but after publication when other groups tried and failed to reproduce the results of the paper. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review And peer review makes the ability to publish susceptible to control by elites and to personal jealousy. Reviewers tend to be especially critical of conclusions that contradict their own views, and lenient towards those that accord with them. At the same time, elite scientists are more likely than less established
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intelligent FFLers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Barry, that's an excuse. The real reason is that you still need to vent. And your vacation didn't do you a damned bit of good. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Experience of a Conscious Self
This was published in the peer reviewed Thlise Journal of Mind and Behavior, in which 2of the 12 ME studies were published. So according to the standards attributed to peer reviewed journals by some, I guess this is gospel. Do you agree Dr. Pete? Others? -- The Experience of a Conscious Self Thomas Natsoulas, University of California, Davis The Journal of Mind and Behavior, Autumn 1983, Volume 4, Number 4, Pages 451478, ISSN 02710137 Contrary to what a number of prominent psychologists have lately proposed, the present article argues that there is no inner conscious subject. Insofar as a mental episode may be said to have a subject, or to be had by a conscious self, it is always the self-aware human being who is its subject. The human being's experience of a conscious self, as being distinct from himself or herself, amounts to a natural dissociation produced by the human being's self-awarenesses. There is a strong tendency to distinguish anything of which one is aware from that which is aware of it. This leaves, finally, and inner subject of which one cannot be aware, but to which one has learned to make a purported reference each time one is directly aware of mental episode. Requests for reprints should be sent to T. Natsoulas, Ph.D., Psychology Department, University of California, Davis, California 95616. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A most beautiful question....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So my brother asks me, Why do we see a flower as beautiful? The answer, my brother, is that the flower is a reminder of the spiritual home within ourselves. You see, when we see a flower in nature it is a 'clue' as to what is hidden underneath, i.e. beauty, love, God. The flower tips us off as to the 'nature' of the creator and we in turn respond because that very creator is within us as well, as ourselves. There you go...thanks to Maharishi! BillyG. I love flowers too. Clues can also be found in a pile of garbage that we see by the side of the street and deem offensive. what good is there in that pile of garbage? How does that too reflect God? Why does it offend us purely because of its presence? And how about that person who just rubs us the wrong way? How do they reflect God? What is our reaction to them telling us about ourselves? Does the dislike we feel for them lie inherently in them, in what they express, in their Being? Or does our perception of them share some of the responsibility, some of the awareness, for our reaction? What if we are not 100% aligned with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi? Who's 'fault' is that? What if our world view never quite conforms to his, no matter how much we try? Is that our fault? His fault? Buddha's fault? Is Maharishi perhaps not Maharishi at all? Are we too lazy or stressed or unenlightened to become just like him? Lots of beautiful questions. Lots of answers too!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mother Meera coming to the US
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She told a friend of mine on the phone that not many Americans are coming to see her in Germany any more so she is going to come to the US next summer and tour around. That is wonderful. When I first saw her picture, i stared at it for three hours. For me, there is something special in her. (But I am a unredeemable retard -- so draw your own conclusions). http://home.arcor.de/maatrix/ I don't know about three hours, though I can see why you were entranced with her- She is quite beautiful. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mother Meera coming to the US
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She told a friend of mine on the phone that not many Americans are coming to see her in Germany any more so she is going to come to the US next summer and tour around. That is wonderful. When I first saw her picture, i stared at it for three hours. For me, there is something special in her. (But I am a unredeemable retard -- so draw your own conclusions). http://home.arcor.de/maatrix/ Isn't it interesting how you can experience darshan from a photo? This reminds me of what I heard as a child when traveling among some primitive tribes in the northern Philippines, that they didn't like having their pictures taken because they believed their soul was captured on the film. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Asheville TM center/Gerbal88
Ok, cool, thanks. I didn't know 'sparaig' is Lawson. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not intended to dismiss what you said at all. It's just a comment on Lawson's comment to your post. I had a feeling that my intent would not be clear when it was posted. I'm not dismissing anyone, mostly just noticing the mind's need to create certain stories for itself. Das all folks! --- vashtirama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Peter, I'm not really sure why you posted this. It has an impatient and dismissive tone, so I wonder why you responded instead of hitting the delete button on this one. Probably most people on this list know about the mind's defenses. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mind wants to have a story as a defense against experiences that contradict its primary story. Why have any story at all? MMY is a con artist; MMY is a great saint. He's both, he's neither, he's nothing. Why have any story/position at all. Does it matter? Attached, non-attached...just more stories. --- vashtirama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're making up a story right now, that I seem attached. Are you aware that it's just a story, or are you attached? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vashtirama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig, Thank you for taking the time to say that. I was (and maybe you got my point and thought it was stupid,or maybe you missed it) pointing out that you seem very attached to having a handle on MMY's motivations. Since very few, if any, people truely understand their OWN motivations, it seems kinda futile and counter- productive, to being attached to trying to understand everyone else's, except in the most extreme cases. I honestly don't think that MMY has a purely criminal intent about all (or even any) of the things he does, so trying to understand him isn't at the top of my list. I make up plenty of stories to explain his motivations, but I'm aware that they are stories. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vashtirama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, others say there's more too, I'm thinking of Dr. Pete for instance, who has also given it a lot of thought. I referred to this in my post. The snake vs elephant analogy is a little too simplistic for me, because how do you allow for someone who partakes of both snake and elephant? MMY could be an elephant with a snaky personality disorder--that doesn't mean the elephant is a snake instead. So that's how I make sense of his crassest, basest, most inhumane traits and actions, along with him at his most spiritually rarified-- he's a special person with a personality disorder. Lots of people are special AND screwed up. So that's why my working hypothesis works for me-- I stopped expecting MMY's words and actions to always express his specialness because as often as not, they express his disorder instead. So far I haven't been surprised by anything he is saying and doing, so I'm feelin' pretty good about my hypothesis. So not being surprised is important... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/28/05 6:35 PM, vashtirama at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe some people don't need to ever make sense of MMY himself. On this list I've seen that those who do, come up with a whole range of conclusions or working hypotheses after great thought. Mine is that he has a personality disorder, such as the narcissistic one. I hear you saying that you've felt the elephant's tail and elephants are like snakes. I say there's more. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
[FairfieldLife] Cynthia Preston?
Is Cynthia Preston on this list or does anyone know her? She just came out with a wonderfully creative book in my field. Thanks, Vashti Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Journal of Mind and Behavior -- Third Tier University Journal
Following are the abstracts for all of the articles published in the same volume as the Consciousness as a Field: The Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi Program and Changes in Social Indicators - one of the 12 ME cited PR journal articles. and the later Volume 9 with the paper, Test of a Field Model of Consciousness and Social Change: The Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi Program and Decreased Urban Crime It gives a context for the type of research the Journal of Mind and Behavior (from which 2 of the 12 cited ME studies were published) accepts -- and its degree of rigor for reviewing research. It appears that the ME studies are the only papers in these two volumes that actually did any research. The rest appear to be conceptual papers. So reviewing complex statistical / econometric / social science research does not appear to be its forte -- or its peers committee. The Journal of Mind and Behavior is published by the Department of Psychology, University of Maine. The Graduate School serves the needs of the over 2000 graduate students -- not a particularly large program. The UofM is ranked as a 3rd tier university by the USNWR survey. The psychology faculty does not appear particularly distinguished based on their graduate schools. http://fhcit.hctr.um.maine.edu:16080/psychology/faculty.html The editor of the Journal of Mind and Behavior is not even on the main faculty but is on Associated Faculty as a Research Associate -- after graduating almost 30 years ago from U of M. Raymond C. Russ, Ph.D. (University of Maine, 1977), Research Associate. Editor, Journal of Mind and Behavior. As a side note, some may be interested in an article in vol 9, Consciousness and Commissurotomy: II. Some Pertinencies for Intact Functioning Researchers in this area have addressed, for example, the general problem of the unity of conscious experience. They have proposed various means by which such unity is accomplished, based on their observations of commissurotomized people. Some of these means are (a) a verbal-conceptual consciousness system that unifies by making the individual (or cerebral hemisphere) consciously aware and spinning out interpretations, (b) the transmission of information from each cerebral hemisphere to the other via subcortical pathways, (c) the duplication or equalization of processes between cerebral hemispheres by means of the forebrain commissures, and (d) the production of a single stream of consciousness per intact human being in a tripartite structure that includes a part of each cerebral hemisphere and the forebrain commissures. --- The Journal of Mind and Behavior Volume 8, Number 1 Roger W. Sperry's Interactionism Thomas Natsoulas, University of California, Davis The Journal of Mind and Behavior , Winter 1987, Vol. 8, No.1, Pages 1-22 ISSN 0271-0137 Sperry has proposed a solution to the mind-body problem that is both physical monist and, surprisingly for many readers, interactionist. This combination, among other features of his position, has resulted in puzzlement and misunderstanding. Objections to Sperry's conception have sometimes been based on a failure to grasp what he has been proposing. In the interests of making clear and defending the monist interactionist position, this article considers seven objections that have been made to it in the literature. Requests for reprints should be sent to Thomas Natsoulas, Ph.D., Psychology Department, University of California, Davis, Davis California 95616. Roger Sperry's Science of Values Willam A. Rottschaefer, Lewis and Clark College The Journal of Mind and Behavior , Winter 1987, Vol. 8, No.1, Pages 23-36 ISSN 0271-0137 Though much attention has been paid to E.O. Wilson's views about biologizing ethics and some attention has been paid to B.F. Skinner's claim that the science of operant behavior is the science of values, less philosophical attention has been paid to the proposals for a science of ethics and values by Nobel laureate Roger Sperry. While rejecting both behaviorism and sociobiology, Sperry argues for a science of values built on his thesis of emergent mentalism, a thesis that itself has, Sperry believes, respectable scientific support. I examine Sperry's proposoal and argue, first, that his proposal enables him to overcome the fatal objections to reductionistic sociobiological and behavioral attempts to make ethics scientific and that eliminate a role for cognition in human behavior. Nevertheless, both as a genealogy of morals and ethical behavior and as a metaethical justification of values and ethical principals, Sperry's thesis can do with some help from both non-reductionistic cognitive behavioral psychology and sociobiology. Second, I contend that even with this assistance it needs further support from naturalistic principles about the relationships between fact and value. More specifically, Sperry's causal thesis about the role of values in effecting behavior
[FairfieldLife] Journal of the Iowa Academy of Science -- A pay to publish journal
One of the cited 12 ME studies was publsihed in the Journal of the Iowa Academy of Science. Dillbeck, M. C. (1988). (abstract) Collective consciousness and social change: Effects of the Maharishi Technology of the Unified Field on U.S. violence. Journal of the Iowa Academy of Science, 95 (1), A56. This journal requires payment by authors for publication. http://www.iacad.org/jiassubmit.html current board members http://www.iacad.org/board.html#past The area of focus is broad based -- not social science focused. A number of the chairs for areas of focus are vacant, including psychology and physiology. The Academy does not appear to be a research powerhouse -- its research budget is $40,000 / year. And it does not appear to have strong review capabilites in the fields of pshychology and physiology -- areas particulalry important for TM / ME research. To call this a third tier journal may be generous. Agricultural Sciences [A] Chair: Vacant Vice Chair: Vacant Anthropology [B] Chair: Mark Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice Chair: Vacant Botany [D] Chair: Nels Lersten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice Chair: Jean Gerrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cellular, Molecular, Microbiology [C] Chair: Heidi Sleister, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice Chair: Matthew Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chemical Education [E]* Chair: Sara Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice Chair: Vacant Chemistry: Inorganic, Physical, Analytical [I]Chair: Wanda Reiter, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice Chair: Vacant Chemistry: Organic Biological [L] Chair: Vacant Vice Chair: Vacant College Science Teaching [T]Chair: Vacant Vice Chair: Vacant Community College Biologist [J] Chair: Red Tondreau Vice Chair: Heidi Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Conservation [F]Chair: Matt McAndrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice Chair: Earth Science Teaching [R]* Chair: DeAnna Tibben Vice Chair: Vacant Elementary Science Teaching [S]*Chair: Lynn Campbell Vice Chair: Vacant Engineering [G] Chair: Lester W. Schmerr, Jr. Vice Chair: Environmental Science Health [K] Chair: Kavita Dhanwada, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice Chair: Geology [H] Chair: Lee Potter, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice Chair: Vacant Psychology Linguistics [O]Chair: Vacant Vice Chair: Vacant Physics [M] Chair: Cliff Chancey, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice Chair: Vacant Physiology [N] Chair: Vacant, Vice Chair: Vacant Science Teaching [Q]* Chair: Michael Clough (President) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice Chair: Gale Vermeulen (President-Elect) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeff Weld (Past President) Kathy Lockard (Secretary) Jeanne Rogis (Treasurer) Zoology [P] Chair: Terry VanDeWalle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice Chair: James Demastes Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
Terrific post, akasha. Maybe it should be included in FFL's files section along with whatever else (if anything) is there on TM research. I'd just note that the deficiencies in the peer review process described in your post could just as well result in the *undervaluing* of TM's research as it could in unwarranted approval (at least in the abstract). There may be some substance to off_world's charge of bigotry, although of course the existence of bigotry doesn't in and of itself lend validity to the TM studies. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 10+ Studies on Maharishi Effect in Peer Reviewed Journals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha comes in with an upper-cut followed by a right cross! Off-World staggers, but does not go down! Sorry Peter, I misread your statement a little. It came across harshly when I realise it was not. Sorry. Its all good. Sometimes my attempts at humor don't come across as intended. I was chuckling over your ongoing exchange with Akasha that degenerated into a verbal slugfest. But isn't that the goal? Ah...sorry, wrong planet. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 10+ Studies on Maharishi Effect in Peer Reviewed Journals
Lol...they have support groups that can help you with that ya know. --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does it hurt when you kick yourself in the bollocks Peter? Like a son-of-a-bitch! --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great. Since you are so familiar w ith such, and have read and analyzed them thoroughly, can you provide copies of them to me. I will pay the postage and copying fees. And can you summarize the findings? And provide the basics? What and where were the experiments conducted? How many meditators and yogic flyers? How many observations in each study? We have DC and Israel. Where were the others? Can you please provide the more detailed results of the studies? The r^2's, the t scores for each independent variable, the over all F scores, the variance inflation factors, the durbin-watsons, plots of the residuals, the covariance martices, etc. Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Below is some peer-reviewed published research on the Maharishi Effect. With Travis' in International Journal of Neuroscience, that makes about 11 total. Never in the history of science has such extreme bigotry been levelled at research published in peer-reviewed scientific journals as has been aimed at the research on the Maharishi Effect.. You seem to be repeating your self. Is there a reason for that? Being a serious student of the history of science as you are, what would you consider the 2nd, 3rd and 4th most bigoted projections at serious research in the past 100 -200 years? (I have not included the ones published in Dissertation Abstracts, or Proceedings of such and such) Assimakis, P. D. Dillbeck, M. C. (1995). Times series analysis of improved quality of life in Canada: Social change, collective consciousness, and the TM-Sidhi program. Psychological Reports, 76, 11711193. Dillbeck, M. C. (1988). (abstract) Collective consciousness and social change: Effects of the Maharishi Technology of the Unified Field on U.S. violence. Journal of the Iowa Academy of Science, 95 (1), A56. Dillbeck, M. C., Cavanaugh, K. L., Glenn, T., Orme-Johnson, D. W., Mittlefehldt, V. (1987). Consciousness as a field: The Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi program and changes in social indicators. Journal of Mind and Behavior, 8(1), 67104. Dillbeck, M. C. (1990). Test of a field theory of consciousness and social change: Time series analysis of participation in the TM-Sidhi program and reduction of violent death in the U.S. Social Indicators Research, 22, 399418. Dillbeck, M. C., Banus, C. B., Polanzi, C., Landrith III, G. S. (1988). Test of a field model of consciousness and social change: The Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi program and decreased urban crime. The Journal of Mind and Behavior, 9(4), 457485. Dillbeck, M. C., Landrith III, G. S., Orme-Johnson, D. W. (1981). The Transcendental Meditation program and crime rate change in a sample of forty-eight cities. Journal of Crime and Justice, 4, 25 45. Gelderloos, P., Frid, M. J., Goddard, P. H., Xue, X., Löliger, S. A. (1988). Creating world peace through the collective practice of the Maharishi technology of the Unified Field: Improved U.S.-Soviet Relations. Social Science Perspectives Journal, 2(4), 8094. Orme-Johnson, D. W., Gelderloos, P., Dillbeck, M. C. (1988). The effects of the Maharishi Technology of the Unified Field on the U.S. quality of life (19601984). Social Science Perspectives Journal, 2 (4), 127146. Orme-Johnson, D. W., Alexander, C. N., Davies, J. L., Chandler, H. M., Larimore, W. E. (1988). International peace project in the Middle East: The effects of the Maharishi Technology of the Unified Field. The effects of the Maharishi Technology of the Unified Field. Journal of Conflict Resolution, 32(4), 776812. Hatchard, G. D., Deans, A. J., Cavanaugh, K. L. , Orme-Johnson, D. W. (1996). The Maharishi Effect: A model for social improvement. Time series analysis of a phase transition to reduced crime in Merseyside metropolitan area. Psychology, Crime === message truncated === __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
Well, if you are not qualfied to judge, thats one thing. I would think that would make you unqualified to judge others qualifications. Your posts emit huge ego and self agrandisement. You are saying that peer-review is good but only if you decide if and when it is so. Sorry but the scientists who reviewed those 10+ studies for publication will take issue with your unqualified criticisms of their work. However, whenever a scientist has insisted on his/her more, so called 'rigorous', approach to analysing the data, then the results came out EVEN STRONGER than the TM scientists had claimed. The TM scientists are MORE conservative about it than the average scientist uses for their own research. The studies on the ME are more robust (p value) than almost any other studies in the social sciences and even more robust than many studies in the physical sciences. Deal with this. I suggest you take all these studies, find the strictest criteria you can come up with, subject all the studies to such criteria, then get the results published in a peer-reviewed respected journal. If anyone does this analysis, they will find the results robust and lasting. Your protestation of this amounts to prejudice and supertition until you have published a statistical model yourself. Until then you are pissing in the wind because no-one takes your qualifications as seriously as you do. They do however take, as having merit, the qualifications of the 3 to 5 scientists that reviewed the studies. Though of course all things can be questioned, but after 10+ studies under such conditions, as a rational person you have show some respector go get published on the topic yourselfor deferas I have asked you to do. Never before has peer-reviewed published research in respected journals been subjected to such bigotry and irrationality as a few scientists have attempted and some educated laypeople are perpetuating. Do you concur? OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Journal of Mind and Behavior -- Third Tier University Journal
And your qualifications over the scientists and professors that reviewed them and decided them worthy of publication are what? Are you a scientist? Are you a professor? In what field? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Following are the abstracts for all of the articles published in the same volume as the Consciousness as a Field: The Transcendental Meditation and TM- Sidhi Program and Changes in Social Indicators - one of the 12 ME cited PR journal articles. and the later Volume 9 with the paper, Test of a Field Model of Consciousness and Social Change: The Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi Program and Decreased Urban Crime It gives a context for the type of research the Journal of Mind and Behavior (from which 2 of the 12 cited ME studies were published) accepts -- and its degree of rigor for reviewing research. It appears that the ME studies are the only papers in these two volumes that actually did any research. The rest appear to be conceptual papers. So reviewing complex statistical / econometric / social science research does not appear to be its forte -- or its peers committee. The Journal of Mind and Behavior is published by the Department of Psychology, University of Maine. The Graduate School serves the needs of the over 2000 graduate students -- not a particularly large program. The UofM is ranked as a 3rd tier university by the USNWR survey. The psychology faculty does not appear particularly distinguished based on their graduate schools. http://fhcit.hctr.um.maine.edu:16080/psychology/faculty.html The editor of the Journal of Mind and Behavior is not even on the main faculty but is on Associated Faculty as a Research Associate -- after graduating almost 30 years ago from U of M. Raymond C. Russ, Ph.D. (University of Maine, 1977), Research Associate. Editor, Journal of Mind and Behavior. As a side note, some may be interested in an article in vol 9, Consciousness and Commissurotomy: II. Some Pertinencies for Intact Functioning Researchers in this area have addressed, for example, the general problem of the unity of conscious experience. They have proposed various means by which such unity is accomplished, based on their observations of commissurotomized people. Some of these means are (a) a verbal-conceptual consciousness system that unifies by making the individual (or cerebral hemisphere) consciously aware and spinning out interpretations, (b) the transmission of information from each cerebral hemisphere to the other via subcortical pathways, (c) the duplication or equalization of processes between cerebral hemispheres by means of the forebrain commissures, and (d) the production of a single stream of consciousness per intact human being in a tripartite structure that includes a part of each cerebral hemisphere and the forebrain commissures. --- The Journal of Mind and Behavior Volume 8, Number 1 Roger W. Sperry's Interactionism Thomas Natsoulas, University of California, Davis The Journal of Mind and Behavior , Winter 1987, Vol. 8, No.1, Pages 1-22 ISSN 0271-0137 Sperry has proposed a solution to the mind-body problem that is both physical monist and, surprisingly for many readers, interactionist. This combination, among other features of his position, has resulted in puzzlement and misunderstanding. Objections to Sperry's conception have sometimes been based on a failure to grasp what he has been proposing. In the interests of making clear and defending the monist interactionist position, this article considers seven objections that have been made to it in the literature. Requests for reprints should be sent to Thomas Natsoulas, Ph.D., Psychology Department, University of California, Davis, Davis California 95616. Roger Sperry's Science of Values Willam A. Rottschaefer, Lewis and Clark College The Journal of Mind and Behavior , Winter 1987, Vol. 8, No.1, Pages 23-36 ISSN 0271-0137 Though much attention has been paid to E.O. Wilson's views about biologizing ethics and some attention has been paid to B.F. Skinner's claim that the science of operant behavior is the science of values, less philosophical attention has been paid to the proposals for a science of ethics and values by Nobel laureate Roger Sperry. While rejecting both behaviorism and sociobiology, Sperry argues for a science of values built on his thesis of emergent mentalism, a thesis that itself has, Sperry believes, respectable scientific support. I examine Sperry's proposoal and argue, first, that his proposal enables him to overcome the fatal objections to reductionistic sociobiological and behavioral attempts to make ethics scientific and that eliminate a role for cognition in human behavior. Nevertheless, both as a genealogy of morals and ethical behavior and as a metaethical
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terrific post, akasha. Maybe it should be included in FFL's files section along with whatever else (if anything) is there on TM research. I'd just note that the deficiencies in the peer review process described in your post could just as well result in the *undervaluing* of TM's research as it could in unwarranted approval (at least in the abstract). They are often undervalued by the TM researchers THEMSELVES ! Whenever the studies have been subjected to stricter parameters imposed on them by someone complaining , then the results come out EVEN stronger. There may be some substance to off_world's charge of bigotry, although of course the existence of bigotry It is entirely substantive, and the bigotry will eventually come out in history books as a record of how such prejucidce can occur in this so-called objective scientific era doesn't in and of itself lend validity to the TM studies. Of course. It is only the bigotry that I take issue with. As long as it exists and there is no proof of wrong-doing and 10+ studies show positive results, then I will rail against bigotry. Another form of bigotry is that I do not even MENTION the other 30 or so PEER-REVIEWED studies, reviewed by experts in the field, that are not published in independent journals. To assume that the researchers (TM researchers) must be allowing the publication of the results and ignoring major flaws in order to publish them immorally (in Collected Papers) is a form of bigotry in itself. Yet I will accept that these cannot be entered into the equation at this time. I suspect that in 20 years these other papers will hold more respectability and sway as proper results in the main (though not without some flaws of course). OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mother Meera coming to the US
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She told a friend of mine on the phone that not many Americans are coming to see her in Germany any more so she is going to come to the US next summer and tour around. That is wonderful. When I first saw her picture, i stared at it for three hours. I can certainly see why if the photo you are referring to is the one you link to below. I linked on to it and fell in love. For me, there is something special in her. (But I am a unredeemable retard -- so draw your own conclusions). http://home.arcor.de/maatrix/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cynthia Preston?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vashtirama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is Cynthia Preston on this list or does anyone know her? She just came out with a wonderfully creative book in my field. Thanks, Vashti Are you referring to Cynthia Preston who recently came out with a book on crochet? Too Cute Crochet -- for Babies and Toddlers. She is a MUM grad, married to artist John Preston. They live on a farm south of Fairfield. She is a very nice woman who, if I remember correctly, worked as a gourmet cook at Surya Financial way back in the 80s. She is a talented, creative, gracious woman. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's designated successor..
On Oct 10, 2005, at 1:37 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: on 10/6/05 2:37 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any one seen the Oct 5, 2005 press conference? It's now official: the Prime Minister of the Global Country of World Peace, His Excellency Dr Bevan Morris, is Enlightened and is capable of answering any question as well as handling any task. Tom T: I have two friends who are Enlightened and they both independently listened to the press conference of mid September, if the date is important to the detail freaks I will verify the exact date. In that Conference MMY explained in great detail how different physiologies can experience the same unboundedness and talk about it differently. When it came time for the BM to do his recapitulation gig he was unable to keep the message straight and in fact turned it around backwards. It was obvious to both friends that the reason BM couldn't get it right is that he does not have any experience of E and in fact was in way over his head. Why MMY is saying BM is E seems beyond anyones idea. Tom How do you reconcile the fact, which was mentioned on here in some detail, that M. sleeps a full eight hours or more and the fact that enlightened beings require little sleep? There are numerous other items which would bring into question M.'s enlightenment. So the story goes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's designated successor..
oops, sorry--accidentally sent an old draft. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Experience of a Conscious Self
Well said. Like the person who posted the comment, It's raining. There is no It that is raining. Just, raining. It appears that there is an inner subject or I, because consciousness projects into and assumes the boundaries of mind, and to a lessor extent, the body. So you end up with I am having experience X but there is no I having or not having anything. There is only X. The I is not consciousness, but a delusion of subjectivity. Consciousness has no boundary; it is no-thing. Ramana's inquiry can bring this realization home very quickly. Try to find I. You'll find a very abstract felt-sense of an I or me. But who is aware of that? It'll become clear that this I is only a thought. --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was published in the peer reviewed Thlise Journal of Mind and Behavior, in which 2of the 12 ME studies were published. So according to the standards attributed to peer reviewed journals by some, I guess this is gospel. Do you agree Dr. Pete? Others? -- The Experience of a Conscious Self Thomas Natsoulas, University of California, Davis The Journal of Mind and Behavior, Autumn 1983, Volume 4, Number 4, Pages 451478, ISSN 02710137 Contrary to what a number of prominent psychologists have lately proposed, the present article argues that there is no inner conscious subject. Insofar as a mental episode may be said to have a subject, or to be had by a conscious self, it is always the self-aware human being who is its subject. The human being's experience of a conscious self, as being distinct from himself or herself, amounts to a natural dissociation produced by the human being's self-awarenesses. There is a strong tendency to distinguish anything of which one is aware from that which is aware of it. This leaves, finally, and inner subject of which one cannot be aware, but to which one has learned to make a purported reference each time one is directly aware of mental episode. Requests for reprints should be sent to T. Natsoulas, Ph.D., Psychology Department, University of California, Davis, California 95616. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's designated successor..
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you reconcile the fact, which was mentioned on here in some detail, that M. sleeps a full eight hours or more and the fact that enlightened beings require little sleep? There are numerous other items which would bring into question M.'s enlightenment. So the story goes. MMY is fully enlightened, no doubt about it, 100% true. Nothing in the relative indicates anything regarding enlightenment. All mind games and ego positions. Vaj, have you ever interacted with MMY personally? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's designated successor..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you reconcile the fact, which was mentioned on here in some detail, that M. sleeps a full eight hours or more and the fact that enlightened beings require little sleep? There are numerous other items which would bring into question M.'s enlightenment. So the story goes. MMY is fully enlightened, no doubt about it, 100% true. Nothing in the relative indicates anything regarding enlightenment. All mind games and ego positions. Vaj, have you ever interacted with MMY personally? I'm not sure what your point is, Doc. I've interacted with Maharishi many times, and based on those interactions I would never be tempted to assume that he is enlightened. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's designated successor..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you reconcile the fact, which was mentioned on here in some detail, that M. sleeps a full eight hours or more and the fact that enlightened beings require little sleep? There are numerous other items which would bring into question M.'s enlightenment. So the story goes. MMY is fully enlightened, no doubt about it, 100% true. Nothing in the relative indicates anything regarding enlightenment. All mind games and ego positions. Vaj, have you ever interacted with MMY personally? I'm not sure what your point is, Doc. I've interacted with Maharishi many times, and based on those interactions I would never be tempted to assume that he is enlightened. Except in the sense that we all are enlightened, of course. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Asheville TM center/Gerbal88
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vashtirama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see that you said seem. I asked if you are only because you persist with your idea that I seem attached. I'm ok with your opinion that MMY doesn't have a purely criminal intent as you said earlier. If you can't be ok with my opinion that he's disordered, it's more about your attachments than mine. Best, Vashti He may be disordered, or he may not. I never said I didn't have attachments. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vashtirama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're making up a story right now, that I seem attached. Are you aware that it's just a story, or are you attached? Of course its a story, and of course I'm attached. I also said You seem rather than you are. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vashtirama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig, Thank you for taking the time to say that. I was (and maybe you got my point and thought it was stupid,or maybe you missed it) pointing out that you seem very attached to having a handle on MMY's motivations. Since very few, if any, people truely understand their OWN motivations, it seems kinda futile and counter- productive, to being attached to trying to understand everyone else's, except in the most extreme cases. I honestly don't think that MMY has a purely criminal intent about all (or even any) of the things he does, so trying to understand him isn't at the top of my list. I make up plenty of stories to explain his motivations, but I'm aware that they are stories. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vashtirama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, others say there's more too, I'm thinking of Dr. Pete for instance, who has also given it a lot of thought. I referred to this in my post. The snake vs elephant analogy is a little too simplistic for me, because how do you allow for someone who partakes of both snake and elephant? MMY could be an elephant with a snaky personality disorder--that doesn't mean the elephant is a snake instead. So that's how I make sense of his crassest, basest, most inhumane traits and actions, along with him at his most spiritually rarified-- he's a special person with a personality disorder. Lots of people are special AND screwed up. So that's why my working hypothesis works for me-- I stopped expecting MMY's words and actions to always express his specialness because as often as not, they express his disorder instead. So far I haven't been surprised by anything he is saying and doing, so I'm feelin' pretty good about my hypothesis. So not being surprised is important... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/28/05 6:35 PM, vashtirama at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe some people don't need to ever make sense of MMY himself. On this list I've seen that those who do, come up with a whole range of conclusions or working hypotheses after great thought. Mine is that he has a personality disorder, such as the narcissistic one. I hear you saying that you've felt the elephant's tail and elephants are like snakes. I say there's more. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi School Enrollment Down
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I have always found very interesting, and sad, is the parents who yo-yo their kids between the MSAE and the public schools, or the MSAE and one of the home-schooling programs, sometimes on a yearly basis, or even during the middle of a year. And then these same parents wonder why their kids can't form friendships or are failing in school. It's like they don't have a clue, even after years of fighting with the TMO or seeing first-hand the lack of any significant educational quality at the MSAE. Sal I'm still wondering at this phrase lack of any significant educational quality at the MSAE. Are you saying that the standardized test results are being somehow faked? On Oct 30, 2005, at 7:01 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: What the Fairfeild Ledger article does not get at in their short story is the story underneath. There have been more than a few families making their own switches in recent years now. The public schools themselves have always remained a good alternative. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] The fact that these peer reviewed studies have generated few cites, and no new research outside of TMO researchers (from what I can see) and no funding outside of the TMO, speaks to the quality of the research and the peer prestige of the researchers. The studies and researchers generally not highly respected leaders in thier fields, are not associated with institutions known for strong independent research, and the research does not appear to be well acknowledged as advancing the field. Well, that's a catch-22 in the case of the ME research. I'm not contradicting the general utility of your analysis, but only pointing out that ME research is, by its nature, an exception to the rule. However, it's all moot since scientific fields themselves must publish or perish, and the TMO hasn't sponsored new research on the ME in many years. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's designated successor..
On Oct 30, 2005, at 3:48 PM, Peter wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you reconcile the fact, which was mentioned on here in some detail, that M. sleeps a full eight hours or more and the fact that enlightened beings require little sleep? There are numerous other items which would bring into question M.'s enlightenment. So the story goes. MMY is fully enlightened, no doubt about it, 100% true. Nothing in the relative indicates anything regarding enlightenment. All mind games and ego positions. Vaj, have you ever interacted with MMY personally? While different people will vary somewhat, there are some relative determinants. Sleep is definitely one of them. I believe Judy could probably list the 20 or so determinants from the TMO and what they are, as she has mentioned them before. Judy? If nothing in the relative indicated *anything* about enlightenment, then the TMO would not've bothered with all this research on the neurophysiology of enlightenment, etc. I'd even go so far as to say the TMO model of enlightenment contains some elements of truth but is incomplete and extremely misleading. It has been created to help market the techniques they sell. Therefore, due to it's incompleteness, it leads people to prematurely imagine their own exalted status. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's designated successor..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 30, 2005, at 3:48 PM, Peter wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you reconcile the fact, which was mentioned on here in some detail, that M. sleeps a full eight hours or more and the fact that enlightened beings require little sleep? There are numerous other items which would bring into question M.'s enlightenment. So the story goes. MMY is fully enlightened, no doubt about it, 100% true. Nothing in the relative indicates anything regarding enlightenment. All mind games and ego positions. Vaj, have you ever interacted with MMY personally? While different people will vary somewhat, there are some relative determinants. Sleep is definitely one of them. I believe Judy could probably list the 20 or so determinants from the TMO and what they are, as she has mentioned them before. Judy? They weren't determinants of enlightenment, sorry. It was a lecture called 20 Green Lights to Cosmic Consciousness. The green lights were said to be indicators that one was making progress *toward* Cosmic Consciousness, but they were not presented as absolutes that everyone must have in order to be considered to be progressing. Nor do I remember most of them. The only one I'm sure of, because it struck me funny, is Breathing less. I think sleeping less was one of them too, but I couldn't swear to it. What puzzles me about this exchange is that (a) I can't recall seeing anything here about MMY sleeping eight hours or more; and (b) I've heard *countless* stories from people who worked closely with MMY that he in fact sleeps very little. Maybe, as he ages, he sleeps more than he did, but this is the first time I've heard anything about his sleeping more than a few hours a night, even from the most rabid TM critics. In any case, it seems absurd to me to hold the amount of time a person sleeps to be some kind of surefire indicator of whether they're enlightened. Even the 20 Green Lights lecture said explicitly that the green lights were *tendencies* that one might or might not have. The green lights were positive indicators, but not having them was *not* a negative indicator. (I believe I recall that the lecture was said to have been originated by a TM teacher whose first name was Peter, who was rumored to be in CC himself. He was around the Manhattan TM Center a lot and taught many of its residence courses, another really brilliant teacher. Anybody know who I'm talking about, or what he's doing now? He would tell a joke about a large-mouthed frog, which I can't remember either.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's designated successor..
On Oct 30, 2005, at 5:29 PM, authfriend wrote: Nor do I remember most of them. The only one I'm sure of, because it struck me funny, is Breathing less. I think sleeping less was one of them too, but I couldn't swear to it. What puzzles me about this exchange is that (a) I can't recall seeing anything here about MMY sleeping eight hours or more; and (b) I've heard *countless* stories from people who worked closely with MMY that he in fact sleeps very little. Yeah, me too. But we had some fairly authoritative testimony that this was in fact NOT the case on FFL. It was rather saddening to hear. Some commented that this was the type of misinformation that was being passed around. Maybe, as he ages, he sleeps more than he did, but this is the first time I've heard anything about his sleeping more than a few hours a night, even from the most rabid TM critics. Yeah, I know, like I said, I was shocked--and these (IIRC) were older reports from some of his secretaries. In any case, it seems absurd to me to hold the amount of time a person sleeps to be some kind of surefire indicator of whether they're enlightened. Even the 20 Green Lights lecture said explicitly that the green lights were *tendencies* that one might or might not have. The green lights were positive indicators, but not having them was *not* a negative indicator. I think that's a good word, indicator. However, in the absence of the determinants I have both witnessed and received (often they are given as secret and super secret signs in various initiations) I have to stick with my own observations and my own intuitions on these matters. (I believe I recall that the lecture was said to have been originated by a TM teacher whose first name was Peter, who was rumored to be in CC himself. He was around the Manhattan TM Center a lot and taught many of its residence courses, another really brilliant teacher. Anybody know who I'm talking about, or what he's doing now? He would tell a joke about a large-mouthed frog, which I can't remember either.) It would be interesting to hear and find out about. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's designated successor..
On Oct 30, 2005, at 3:53 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you reconcile the fact, which was mentioned on here in some detail, that M. sleeps a full eight hours or more and the fact that enlightened beings require little sleep? There are numerous other items which would bring into question M.'s enlightenment. So the story goes. MMY is fully enlightened, no doubt about it, 100% true. Nothing in the relative indicates anything regarding enlightenment. All mind games and ego positions. Vaj, have you ever interacted with MMY personally? I'm not sure what your point is, Doc. I've interacted with Maharishi many times, and based on those interactions I would never be tempted to assume that he is enlightened. But if you did *assume* or by leap-of-faith *believe* he was enlightened you could possibly mistake a meditative experience for a validation of the previously *assumed* state...there's the rub... I would bet before Dr. Pete experienced M. as enlightened, he had already accepted that fact. Above and beyond that he had been conditioned--both verbally and subliminally--that M. was some species of exalted person. If this is *not* true, I seriously doubt he (and others) would have continued to invest both time and large sums of money. Acceptance of any mental framework or sequence of objects in consciousness will only self-validate themselves when at anytime afterwards one experiences them from the level of the void (or pure consciousness). Thus previously accepted ideas can and will present themselves as (seemingly) genuine experiences (and validation). They are a form of validation--but only of the thoughts we have accepted at some level of our being. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cynthia Preston?
Yes! She's the one. My Mom sent me a newsclipping about her from a Fairfield newspaper. Do you know how I might email her? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bluecabbagerose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vashtirama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is Cynthia Preston on this list or does anyone know her? She just came out with a wonderfully creative book in my field. Thanks, Vashti Are you referring to Cynthia Preston who recently came out with a book on crochet? Too Cute Crochet -- for Babies and Toddlers. She is a MUM grad, married to artist John Preston. They live on a farm south of Fairfield. She is a very nice woman who, if I remember correctly, worked as a gourmet cook at Surya Financial way back in the 80s. She is a talented, creative, gracious woman. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's designated successor..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy You must be referring to Peter Muldavin, one of the funniest guys ever. Here is what he has been up to: http://www.kiddierekordking.com/aboutme.html Ken (I believe I recall that the lecture was said to have been originated by a TM teacher whose first name was Peter, who was rumored to be in CC himself. He was around the Manhattan TM Center a lot and taught many of its residence courses, another really brilliant teacher. Anybody know who I'm talking about, or what he's doing now? He would tell a joke about a large-mouthed frog, which I can't remember either.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] The fact that these peer reviewed studies have generated few cites, and no new research outside of TMO researchers (from what I can see) and no funding outside of the TMO, speaks to the quality of the research and the peer prestige of the researchers. The studies and researchers generally not highly respected leaders in thier fields, are not associated with institutions known for strong independent research, and the research does not appear to be well acknowledged as advancing the field. Well, that's a catch-22 in the case of the ME research. I'm not contradicting the general utility of your analysis, but only pointing out that ME research is, by its nature, an exception to the rule. However, it's all moot since scientific fields themselves must publish or perish, and the TMO hasn't sponsored new research on the ME in many years. Yes they have, but they have not been published yet, and to my mind are too far out. Eg: effects of ME on President Bush's pretzel intake successes and failures, stuff like that. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's designated successor..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stokes and Barbara Dickins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought Donna Seibert developped the 20 Green Lights of CC lecture, but maybe Peter Muldavin developped it and she also gave the lecture. Dunno, Stokes, I may have gotten it wrong. I know teachers other than Peter did give the lecture, but my memory was that he had put it together. Maybe whoever told me that was mistaken. Say hi to Barbara for me! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. ** The methodological problem had to do with the assumption that the reduction of oxygen consumption was due to TM practice. If I remember correctly, it went something like this: Subjects sitting quietly with eyes open were compared to their measurements taken while meditating. The drop in oxygen consumption was attributed entirely to TM. Subsequent research showed that just sitting quietly with eyes closed reduced oxygen consumption by the same amount as TM. It was a bombshell that hardly anyone noticed. O2 consumption twice as low as the deepest point of sleep had been the proof of TM's profundity; now TM was equivalent to sitting quietly with eyes closed. The next development was metastudies which showed that, according to global measures, TM produced a state of rest twice as deep as deep sleep. The claim was the same, but no longer based on a starkly simple, irrefutable measurement. Now it was teased out of the statistics. The whole thing was smoothed over within a few months. L B S Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] MUM website, like Peter Sutphen
MUM website, like Peter Sutphen, has passed away? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. ** The methodological problem had to do with the assumption that the reduction of oxygen consumption was due to TM practice. If I remember correctly, it went something like this: Subjects sitting quietly with eyes open were compared to their measurements taken while meditating. The drop in oxygen consumption was attributed entirely to TM. Subsequent research showed that just sitting quietly with eyes closed reduced oxygen consumption by the same amount as TM. It was a bombshell that hardly anyone noticed. O2 consumption twice as low as the deepest point of sleep had been the proof of TM's profundity; now TM was equivalent to sitting quietly with eyes closed. Wow, still relying on unpublished research and rumor are we? Hardly a 'bombshell'. Unpublished gossip, another arrow to the bigot's bow. OffWorld If you are referring to Kesterson's research, you might wish to consider that it was included in the dissertation for which MIU awarded his PhD. L B S Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's designated successor..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you reconcile the fact, which was mentioned on here in some detail, that M. sleeps a full eight hours or more and the fact that enlightened beings require little sleep? There are numerous other items which would bring into question M.'s enlightenment. So the story goes. MMY is fully enlightened, no doubt about it, 100% true. Nothing in the relative indicates anything regarding enlightenment. All mind games and ego positions. Vaj, have you ever interacted with MMY personally? I'm not sure what your point is, Doc. I've interacted with Maharishi many times, and based on those interactions I would never be tempted to assume that he is enlightened. Except in the sense that we all are enlightened, of course. :-) I suspect Maharishi is enlightened. I have never met him, and many of his techniques and teaching methods aren't fool-proof, nor any evidence necessarily of his enlightenment. Nonetheless, his interest in, his goal of enlightening the world, and my intuition lead me to believe that he is enlightened. And that, and $4 will buy you a big cup of coffee... By that I mean, it is really, really unimportant imo whether the man is enlightened, or not. Doesn't necessarily inform his skill as a teacher- just makes him a magnetic personality and drives his interest in the subject. In other words, it is impossible to determine through his teaching methods or his actions whether he is enlightened. And his teaching approach has absolutely no association with his state of consciousness. The whole issue is a bit of a yawn at this point. Lots of tamas associated with it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly (PS)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. ** The methodological problem had to do with the assumption that the reduction of oxygen consumption was due to TM practice. If I remember correctly, it went something like this: Subjects sitting quietly with eyes open were compared to their measurements taken while meditating. The drop in oxygen consumption was attributed entirely to TM. Subsequent research showed that just sitting quietly with eyes closed reduced oxygen consumption by the same amount as TM. It was a bombshell that hardly anyone noticed. O2 consumption twice as low as the deepest point of sleep had been the proof of TM's profundity; now TM was equivalent to sitting quietly with eyes closed. Wow, still relying on unpublished research and rumor are we? Hardly a 'bombshell'. Unpublished gossip, another arrow to the bigot's bow. OffWorld If you are referring to Kesterson's research, you might wish to consider that it was included in the dissertation for which MIU awarded his PhD. L B S By the way, I discussed Kesterson's research with Keith, and he confirmed to me that Kesterson's findings were correct. L B S Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's designated successor..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 30, 2005, at 3:48 PM, Peter wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you reconcile the fact, which was mentioned on here in some detail, that M. sleeps a full eight hours or more and the fact that enlightened beings require little sleep? There are numerous other items which would bring into question M.'s enlightenment. So the story goes. MMY is fully enlightened, no doubt about it, 100% true. Nothing in the relative indicates anything regarding enlightenment. All mind games and ego positions. Vaj, have you ever interacted with MMY personally? While different people will vary somewhat, there are some relative determinants. Sleep is definitely one of them. MMY has never said anything, as far as Iknow, about quantity of sleep being a determinant of enlightenment. In fact, he goes with the BG on external indicators with the caveat that he thinks that physiological measures not available save in the past 50 years or so can give insight into states of consciousness, including enlightenment. I believe Judy could probably list the 20 or so determinants from the TMO and what they are, as she has mentioned them before. Judy? If nothing in the relative indicated *anything* about enlightenment, then the TMO would not've bothered with all this research on the neurophysiology of enlightenment, etc. I'd even go so far as to say the TMO model of enlightenment contains some elements of truth but is incomplete and extremely misleading. It has been created to help market the techniques they sell. Therefore, due to it's incompleteness, it leads people to prematurely imagine their own exalted status. I'd go so far as to say that the TMO presentation of what enlightenment is or is not is far superior to your own. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well said. Like the person who posted the comment, It's raining. There is no It that is raining. Just, raining. It appears that there is an inner subject or I, because consciousness projects into and assumes the boundaries of mind, and to a lessor extent, the body. So you end up with I am having experience X but there is no I having or not having anything. There is only X. The I is not consciousness, but a delusion of subjectivity. Consciousness has no boundary; it is no-thing. Ramana's inquiry can bring this realization home very quickly. Try to find I. You'll find a very abstract felt-sense of an I or me. But who is aware of that? It'll become clear that this I is only a thought. Then it would appear that Ramana did not have the full experience, only a superficial one, true though his conclusions are. The true experience is not so subtle. It is an awe inspiring bright homogenous energy that hums powerfully just below the surface and explodes into this dimension when the mind reaches it. It is unbounded, VERY powerful, even scary, but the body that is experiencing immediately knows that this Self cannot be wetted, nor burned, nor dried up, nor killed. It is who we are. It is the Universe. It is awe-inspiring and we cannot begin to imagine what power it holds and how it can express itself in such a limited world. This world does not seem strong enough for it to fully blossom. It would annihilate this plane if it were completely shining forth. The body could barely remain should such a power show its true face in this universe. This is my experience. It is the all-powerful non-me that is me, bright and powerful like the sun, only not centered in one place. It is the One. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's designated successor..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 30, 2005, at 3:53 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you reconcile the fact, which was mentioned on here in some detail, that M. sleeps a full eight hours or more and the fact that enlightened beings require little sleep? There are numerous other items which would bring into question M.'s enlightenment. So the story goes. MMY is fully enlightened, no doubt about it, 100% true. Nothing in the relative indicates anything regarding enlightenment. All mind games and ego positions. Vaj, have you ever interacted with MMY personally? I'm not sure what your point is, Doc. I've interacted with Maharishi many times, and based on those interactions I would never be tempted to assume that he is enlightened. But if you did *assume* or by leap-of-faith *believe* he was enlightened you could possibly mistake a meditative experience for a validation of the previously *assumed* state...there's the rub... I would bet before Dr. Pete experienced M. as enlightened, he had already accepted that fact. Above and beyond that he had been conditioned--both verbally and subliminally--that M. was some species of exalted person. If this is *not* true, I seriously doubt he (and others) would have continued to invest both time and large sums of money. Acceptance of any mental framework or sequence of objects in consciousness will only self-validate themselves when at anytime afterwards one experiences them from the level of the void (or pure consciousness). Thus previously accepted ideas can and will present themselves as (seemingly) genuine experiences (and validation). They are a form of validation--but only of the thoughts we have accepted at some level of our being. Thanks for this hint at the higher level of Truth that you, of all people on this forum, are the only one privy to... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. ** The methodological problem had to do with the assumption that the reduction of oxygen consumption was due to TM practice. If I remember correctly, it went something like this: Subjects sitting quietly with eyes open were compared to their measurements taken while meditating. The drop in oxygen consumption was attributed entirely to TM. Subsequent research showed that just sitting quietly with eyes closed reduced oxygen consumption by the same amount as TM. It was a bombshell that hardly anyone noticed. O2 consumption twice as low as the deepest point of sleep had been the proof of TM's profundity; now TM was equivalent to sitting quietly with eyes closed. Wow, still relying on unpublished research and rumor are we? Hardly a 'bombshell'. Unpublished gossip, another arrow to the bigot's bow. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. Why yes, and acknowledged by everyone these days: no control group. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well said. Like the person who posted the comment, It's raining. There is no It that is raining. Just, raining. It appears that there is an inner subject or I, because consciousness projects into and assumes the boundaries of mind, and to a lessor extent, the body. So you end up with I am having experience X but there is no I having or not having anything. There is only X. The I is not consciousness, but a delusion of subjectivity. Consciousness has no boundary; it is no-thing. Ramana's inquiry can bring this realization home very quickly. Try to find I. You'll find a very abstract felt-sense of an I or me. But who is aware of that? It'll become clear that this I is only a thought. Then it would appear that Ramana did not have the full experience, only a superficial one, true though his conclusions are. The true experience is not so subtle. It is an awe inspiring bright homogenous energy that hums powerfully just below the surface and explodes into this dimension when the mind reaches it. It is unbounded, VERY powerful, even scary, but the body that is experiencing immediately knows that this Self cannot be wetted, nor burned, nor dried up, nor killed. It is who we are. It is the Universe. It is awe-inspiring and we cannot begin to imagine what power it holds and how it can express itself in such a limited world. This world does not seem strong enough for it to fully blossom. It would annihilate this plane if it were completely shining forth. The body could barely remain should such a power show its true face in this universe. This is my experience. It is the all-powerful non-me that is me, bright and powerful like the sun, only not centered in one place. It is the One. OffWorld Nice! It is the very diversity of the world that keeps this power fully blossoming. All of the gunas and their various combinations express the fully blossoming force of Oneness. Every fragment, every wholeness, indivisible and diverse, infinity in every point and particle, every shadow and shape, every thought and all of silence, whether of darkness or light, reflects this and that awesome power, of Oneness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. ** The methodological problem had to do with the assumption that the reduction of oxygen consumption was due to TM practice. If I remember correctly, it went something like this: Subjects sitting quietly with eyes open were compared to their measurements taken while meditating. The drop in oxygen consumption was attributed entirely to TM. Subsequent research showed that just sitting quietly with eyes closed reduced oxygen consumption by the same amount as TM. It was a bombshell that hardly anyone noticed. O2 consumption twice as low as the deepest point of sleep had been the proof of TM's profundity; now TM was equivalent to sitting quietly with eyes closed. Wow, still relying on unpublished research and rumor are we? Hardly a 'bombshell'. Unpublished gossip, another arrow to the bigot's bow. OffWorld If you are referring to Kesterson's research, you might wish to consider that it was included in the dissertation for which MIU awarded his PhD. L B S. I am really only interested in research published in peer-reviewed journals, though I am sure the research you cite is good, it has no meaning to the world as it stands, and even if it were published it has been somewhat swamped and washed away by the hundreds of other studies showing more important results and the 20 million + dollars in hard won grant money given by the NIH. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. ** The methodological problem had to do with the assumption that the reduction of oxygen consumption was due to TM practice. If I remember correctly, it went something like this: Subjects sitting quietly with eyes open were compared to their measurements taken while meditating. The drop in oxygen consumption was attributed entirely to TM. Subsequent research showed that just sitting quietly with eyes closed reduced oxygen consumption by the same amount as TM. It was a bombshell that hardly anyone noticed. O2 consumption twice as low as the deepest point of sleep had been the proof of TM's profundity; now TM was equivalent to sitting quietly with eyes closed. The next development was metastudies which showed that, according to global measures, TM produced a state of rest twice as deep as deep sleep. The claim was the same, but no longer based on a starkly simple, irrefutable measurement. Now it was teased out of the statistics. The whole thing was smoothed over within a few months. L B S Except that Kesterson's finding was based on examining the physiology of people inthe breath suspension state because the assumption was that O2 consumption was driving the reduction in O2. It wasn't. That was NOT smoothed over, and Keith Wallace's book formally acknowledges that the early studies were flawed in that regard. O2 is no longer seen as a measure of rest during TM. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM website, like Peter Sutphen
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MUM website, like Peter Sutphen, has passed away? Er, no? http://www.mum.edu/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then it would appear that Ramana did not have the full experience, only a superficial one... Yeah, Ramana Maharishi wasn't fully realized like us ! __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly (PS)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. ** The methodological problem had to do with the assumption that the reduction of oxygen consumption was due to TM practice. If I remember correctly, it went something like this: Subjects sitting quietly with eyes open were compared to their measurements taken while meditating. The drop in oxygen consumption was attributed entirely to TM. Subsequent research showed that just sitting quietly with eyes closed reduced oxygen consumption by the same amount as TM. It was a bombshell that hardly anyone noticed. O2 consumption twice as low as the deepest point of sleep had been the proof of TM's profundity; now TM was equivalent to sitting quietly with eyes closed. Wow, still relying on unpublished research and rumor are we? Hardly a 'bombshell'. Unpublished gossip, another arrow to the bigot's bow. OffWorld If you are referring to Kesterson's research, you might wish to consider that it was included in the dissertation for which MIU awarded his PhD. L B S By the way, I discussed Kesterson's research with Keith, and he confirmed to me that Kesterson's findings were correct. L B S ANd Keith has written about how things have changed since he first started doing researchon TM 35 years ago. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. ** The methodological problem had to do with the assumption that the reduction of oxygen consumption was due to TM practice. If I remember correctly, it went something like this: Subjects sitting quietly with eyes open were compared to their measurements taken while meditating. The drop in oxygen consumption was attributed entirely to TM. Subsequent research showed that just sitting quietly with eyes closed reduced oxygen consumption by the same amount as TM. It was a bombshell that hardly anyone noticed. O2 consumption twice as low as the deepest point of sleep had been the proof of TM's profundity; now TM was equivalent to sitting quietly with eyes closed. Wow, still relying on unpublished research and rumor are we? Hardly a 'bombshell'. Unpublished gossip, another arrow to the bigot's bow. OffWorld If you are referring to Kesterson's research, you might wish to consider that it was included in the dissertation for which MIU awarded his PhD. L B S. I am really only interested in research published in peer-reviewed journals, though I am sure the research you cite is good, it has no meaning to the world as it stands, and even if it were published it has been somewhat swamped and washed away by the hundreds of other studies showing more important results and the 20 million + dollars in hard won grant money given by the NIH. OffWorld Which have nothing to do with O2 consumption, since Kesterson published his research... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Time
A friend asked a question about where time fits into this whole E gig. In looking back at Patanjali (Shearer version) I happened to look at the end of both chapters 3 Expansion and 4 Enlightenment and thought some might like to ponder his points on Time. Chapter 3 Expansion Sutra 52 From Sanyama on moments and their succession, the finest discriminative knowledge is born. Sutra 53 This enables us to distinguish between two objects that are to all appearances identical. Sutra 54 Knowledge born of the finest discrimination takes us to the farthest shore. Sutra 55 And when the translucent intellect is as pure as the Self, there is Enlightenment. Chapter 4 Enlightenment Sutra 31 Knowledge which has been freed from the veils of impurity is unbounded. Whatever can be known is insignificant in its light. Sutra 32 This samadhi completes the transformations of the gunas and fulfils the purpose of evolution. Sutra 33 Now the process by which evolution unfolds through time is understood. Sutra 34 The gunas, their purpose fulfilled, return to their original state of harmony, and pure unbounded Consciousness remains, forever established in its own absolute nature. This is Enlightenment. What struck me was in Chapter 3 Time was used to gain the first stage of E and in Chapter 4 Time is essential to the evolution of the three gunas which appears to be the end state. This seems to suggest that what is the opening at the end of Chapter 3 reaches closure at the end of Chapter 4 and the entire teaching of this sage. Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Florida News
From a friend: Just now reading a week's worth of FFL. My parents and brother live in South Florida and lost all power, telephone service AND water. They wound up going to a local hospital a day after the hurricane to check in with me. They were without these services for several days. Only Friday my parents (W. Palm Beach) power came back on...think water came on a day or two before. My brother got through a couple times on cell. He said the lines at the gas stations were over 8 HOURS long. And he said something interesting. That water and ice were readily available for him because he lived in a wealthy neighborhood. FEMA had set up a distribution center a couple of blocks away from his house in a church and you just drove through...he implied it was different for the impoverished. This is very scary. Wealthy S. Florida without power for days and days, some still without power a week later. WE ARE NOT PREPARED. We share an office suite with a CPA who is a Mormon. Part of their RELIGION is disaster preparedness...they are required to have one year of food in storage. Think I'm going to a food storage meeting with him . non-Mormans can use their food storage facility The worst is yet to come. Have a good week. My addition: Nightline did a town hall meeting show the other night in which they discussed the nation's preparedness for disasters which are likely to strike. The general consensus was that despite 4 years of Homeland Security efforts, we are poorly prepared. Ted Koppel's closing remark was that he hoped we get prepared in time, but there was a strong note of doubt in his voice. I have friends here in FF who are planning to stockpile food and supplies in the event of bird flu. If it strikes, and is as contagious and lethal as it might potentially be, they don't want to leave their house until it passes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. ** The methodological problem had to do with the assumption that the reduction of oxygen consumption was due to TM practice. If I remember correctly, it went something like this: Subjects sitting quietly with eyes open were compared to their measurements taken while meditating. The drop in oxygen consumption was attributed entirely to TM. Subsequent research showed that just sitting quietly with eyes closed reduced oxygen consumption by the same amount as TM. It was a bombshell that hardly anyone noticed. O2 consumption twice as low as the deepest point of sleep had been the proof of TM's profundity; now TM was equivalent to sitting quietly with eyes closed. The next development was metastudies which showed that, according to global measures, TM produced a state of rest twice as deep as deep sleep. The claim was the same, but no longer based on a starkly simple, irrefutable measurement. Now it was teased out of the statistics. The whole thing was smoothed over within a few months. L B S ** Mebbe so, but what TMer has not experienced the lessening of breath (which subsumes lessening of oxygen consumption), so it's a just a measurement problem -- it's not false that oxygen consumption is significantly lower in TM. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The History of Psychedelia
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/r2music/documentaries/psych.shtml Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Kabbalah Guru Arrested For Fraud
NHNE News List Current Members: 1373 Subscribe/unsubscribe/archive info at the bottom of this message. KABBALAH GURU ARRESTED FOR FRAUD By Avi Cohen Ynetnews October 30, 2005 http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3161625,00.html A woman suffering from cancer was talked into paying tens of thousands of dollars to the Israeli Kabbalah Center, on the pretext that the donation would help improve her condition. After her death at the age of fifty, the woman's husband filed a complaint against the head of the center, Shaul Youdkevitch, who was consequently arrested by the police Sunday. Youdkevitch, one of the main figures in Kabbalah studies worldwide and the man behind Madonna's visit to Israel last year, was arrested on suspicion of exploiting and deceiving the woman and her husband. The couple has previously complained several months ago that they were told by the rabbis who run the center in Tel Aviv that the woman should make 'a significant and painful donation' if she wanted to get well and overcome cancer. A devotee of Kabbalah, the ill woman put her faith in the center and contributed USD 36,000 to the organization. When her condition deteriorated, members of the Israeli branch recommended she donate another USD 25,000. Meanwhile, rabbis recommended that she also purchase holy water to improve her condition - at an exorbitant price. The couple, who soon after extending the donations ran out of financial resources, continued to seek help with the center. The rabbis then suggested that the husband leave his job and devote himself completely to work at the center. The husband, a father of two young children, turned down the proposal and instead turned to the police to report the incidents. First Sergeant Morris Tal told Ynet that according to Youdkevitch, the Kabbalah Center proposed that the woman donate the money, but did not force her to do so. Youdkevitch will be brought before the Tel Aviv Magistrates court for extension of remand Sunday. Osnat Youdkevitch, his wife And the CEO of the center, will be interrogated by the Police fraud unit as well. RELATED LINKS: THE GUARDIAN'S SPECIAL REPORT ON PHILIP BERG KABBALAH CENTRE Saturday, December 11, 2004 http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,,1369895,00.html WHAT'S BEHIND HOLLYWOOD'S FASCINATION WITH KABBALAH? NEW TAKE ON ANCIENT JEWISH SPIRITUAL TEACHINGS HAS DRAWN CELEBRITIES -- AND CRITICISM By Alan B. Goldberg and Katie Thomson ABC News June 17, 2005 http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=855125page=1CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312 THE KABBALAH CENTRE: http://www.kabbalah.com/kabbalah/ RICK A. ROSS INSTITUTE'S COVERAGE OF THE KABBALAH CENTRE: http://www.rickross.com/groups/kabbalah.html PREVIOUS NHNE NEWS LIST ARTICLES: PHILIP BERG THE KABBALAH CHRONICLES (6/22/2005): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nhnenews/message/9420 MADONNA¹S SPIRITUAL MENTORS BUILDING 'MCMANSIONS' IN BEVERLY HILLS (9/8/2004): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nhnenews/message/7845 NHNE News List: To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To review current posts: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nhnenews/messages Published by David Sunfellow NewHeavenNewEarth (NHNE) eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NHNE Website: http://www.nhne.com/ Phone: (928) 282-6120 Fax: (815) 642-0117 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: [Transcendental_Meditation] Maharish's beautiful comment on Mahalakshmi
Note: forwarded message attached. This is Maharishi's beautiful comment on Mahalakshmi...very timely for this auspicious occasion...DIVALI day ... Maha Lakshmi... the first syllable is Maha. Maha, great. And this great in the context of education is the characteristic of consciousness. This Maha is the goal of anyone who is not yet Maha. So, Maha goal is the meaning of the word Laksha... Laksha means the goal (Maha means unbounded, infinite, immortal, eternal, Brahm, Totality, whole). Maha is the goal of that which is not Maha. The goal of Maha is to swing in his greatness. It should be a living reality. That the unbounded does not remain only silent. But in that silence, there should be lively all possibilities. So, the Laksha, the goal, the goal of Maha is to have many in its unified wholeness. And the goal of that what is not Maha, the goal of small is to be big and the goal of big is to swing in its own expressions. Infinity wants to flow from one end of infinity to the other end of infinity and it s flowing, it divides itself, it quantifies itself, it qualifies itself. So it is the qualification which makes one look to the goal. Small wants to qualify itself into as big as possible. The big wants to qualify itself as the field of all possibilities from this end to that end. Maha is a goal and MI is a very, very significant word which is made of two values, MA and I. When we look to MA, naturally it is me, the first to the self, ME, even in English me, but in the Vedic terminology MI we understand as total value of all four Vedas. MA, what MA is, it s the HUM, Hummm. Agnim-m-m. Rig, Yajur, Sama, Atharva. Then Atharva is a Hum. Hum of all the four Vedas... Agni, it s a collapse of all the progression of all the Vedas into a Hum. Hum means the total values of all sounds; all sounds are inherent in Hum. And in that Hum which is focused on a point, that reality of the point is then transformed into dynamism, which is represented by I. So, Maha Lakshmi this is the total Veda, concentrated into the Hum and made dynamism. Here is concentration at a point, which then in its nature is all dynamism. So, in the word Maha Lakshmi we have that enormous, unbounded, total, infinite, eternal immortality expressed in all the Vedas and found located in a point. And then expanding a point in infinity, and dynamism again into Maha. So, here is the total __expression of the Veda, total __expression of pure knowledge. Along with its infinite organising power in one point concentrating and expanding. This point value, this is Maha Lakshmi... So, the element of Maha Lakshmi is a composite of two values of opposite directions. Focal point and expanding in its nature, this is called Anyonyabhava. It has two kinds of directions, coming in, expanding and going out... So, the Laksha, the goal of expanding value is to concentrate. The goal of concentrated value is to expand. And here is the seed of Maha. This is Maha Lakshmi, at the point, which is both, expansion and contraction, infinite potential of the expansion element we could see along with infinite expansion of contraction element. That means no matter where the situation is, there is all possibility, no matter at what level we are considering or at any level of contraction or at any level of expansion, here or here, at any level is Maha Lakshmi. There is a field of all possibilities and the field of all possibilities in each cell is a concentrated point of silence within the quality of infinite dynamism. Silence and dynamism, that means completely fulfilled of wakefulness. Completely fulfilled because it is not devoid of anything. Infinite silence concentrated, infinite dynamism concentrated and therefore it is eternal state of fulfilment. It is a fulfilment of eternal value. Fulfilment of immortal value because there is a field of all possibilities and in this field of all possibilities is the element of fulfilment, infinite bliss. Infinite bliss is a quality of fulfilment and fulfilment the quality of lack of lack. Devoid of nothingness. It is all fullness, completely fulfilled, self-sufficient infinity, eternity, capable of flowing in terms of waves, modified, qualified and still remaining unqualified at all time. Unqualified qualified fulfilment, that means it is unmanifest total potential of all qualifications that may be thought or desired. Maha Lakshmi is an element of all possibilities, completely self-sufficient at any time, and any place. It is the total potential of all possibilities. In the __expression of prosperity, the __expression of growing prosperity, it is not stagnant prosperity it s growing prosperity, growing and growing and growing. Growing up to what? Beyond the capability of growth it grows and grows and grows. This is what is materialised in the ever-expanding universe. So, this ever-expanding value of universe and in every step of progress there is a wave of happiness, wave of happiness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend asked a question about where time fits into this whole E gig. In looking back at Patanjali (Shearer version) I happened to look at the end of both chapters 3 Expansion and 4 Enlightenment and thought some might like to ponder his points on Time. Chapter 3 Expansion Sutra 52 From Sanyama on moments and their succession, the finest discriminative knowledge is born. Sutra 53 This enables us to distinguish between two objects that are to all appearances identical. Sutra 54 Knowledge born of the finest discrimination takes us to the farthest shore. Sutra 55 And when the translucent intellect is as pure as the Self, there is Enlightenment. Chapter 4 Enlightenment Sutra 31 Knowledge which has been freed from the veils of impurity is unbounded. Whatever can be known is insignificant in its light. Sutra 32 This samadhi completes the transformations of the gunas and fulfils the purpose of evolution. Sutra 33 Now the process by which evolution unfolds through time is understood. Sutra 34 The gunas, their purpose fulfilled, return to their original state of harmony, and pure unbounded Consciousness remains, forever established in its own absolute nature. This is Enlightenment. Yes, the subjective experience of the gunas acting upon us to orient us as to the universal Dharma, then, once oriented, the gunas operate again in endless harmony. Prior to that, the gunas, serving us intimately, seemingly out of balance to the universal Dharma, kick our butts pretty good! What struck me was in Chapter 3 Time was used to gain the first stage of E and in Chapter 4 Time is essential to the evolution of the three gunas which appears to be the end state. This seems to suggest that what is the opening at the end of Chapter 3 reaches closure at the end of Chapter 4 and the entire teaching of this sage. Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Run from your houses
Someone asked me: hey, rick - do you have quotes from maharishi about how people should run from their houses as if they're on fire (because their not sthapatya vedic) Thanks. --- Does anyone have such a quote or even a web address? Most of us remember him saying this or people like Bevan quoting him as saying this. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi School Enrollment Down
on 10/30/05 8:01 AM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another full paying family took their full-paying kids out of town to a Waldorf school where they found there was also a consciousness based values system. The Fairfield home schooling program and the private home schooling seminar/tutoring teachers have always been a good alternative here and they are flourishing right now handling the MSAE erosion. A friend of mine took her full-paying son out of MSAE because a lot of his classmates were into swearing, looking at porn, etc. He's been doing home schooling since. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Take it as it comes quote
Title: A Take it as it comes quote Flow with whatever may happen and let your mind be free; Stay centered by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the ultimate. -Chuang Tsu Hindu_title.gif Description: Binary data
[FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My addition: Nightline did a town hall meeting show the other night in which they discussed the nation's preparedness for disasters which are likely to strike. The general consensus was that despite 4 years of Homeland Security efforts, we are poorly prepared. Ted Koppel's closing remark was that he hoped we get prepared in time, but there was a strong note of doubt in his voice. How can a nation whose very nature is based on the denial of reality be prepared for reality? Not gonna happen. I have friends here in FF who are planning to stockpile food and supplies in the event of bird flu. If it strikes, and is as contagious and lethal as it might potentially be, they don't want to leave their house until it passes. This, on the other hand, is a little scary. Shades of Poe's Masque of the Red Death. If your number's up, your number's up, wherever you hide. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Florida News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My addition: Nightline did a town hall meeting show the other night in which they discussed the nation's preparedness for disasters which are likely to strike. The general consensus was that despite 4 years of Homeland Security efforts, we are poorly prepared. LOOKING BACK ON HURRICANE HISTORY President: Nixon Category 5 Hurricane Camille, August 1969 Area: About the same area as that affected by Katrina Response: Nixon prepared the National Guard in advance, ordering rescue ships from Tampa and Houston to stand waiting along with over a thousand regular military, 24+ helicopters to assist the Coast Guard and National Guard about as soon as the hurricane passed. President: Bush (the Elder) Category 5 Hurricane Andrew, August 1992 Area: Florida Response: In the middle of a re-election campaign, Bush ceased campaigning the day before the hurricane, went to Washington, and assembled one of the largest military forces ever mustered on US soil. 7,000 National Guard and 22,000 regular military were sent in with the necessary equipment shortly after the hurricane passed through. President: Clinton Category 3 Hurricane Floyd, September 1999 Area: Virginia and Carolinas Response: Meeting with China's president Jiang in New Zealand, Clinton immediately declared the hurricane-affected areas federal disasters, allowing the military and National Guard to move in and help. Clinton flew home immediately, one day before the hurricane hit, to help coordinate the rescue. President: Bush (the Younger) Category 5 Hurricane Katrina, August 2005 Area: Gulf Coast Response: National Guard troops are down about 8,000 members because they are in Iraq with much of the needed rescue equipment. Bush was on vacation, riding his bike for two hours the day before the hurricane landed. On that day, Bush attended a birthday party for John McCain. The levees began to crack. While emergency 1.5-ton sandbags were ready to be placed to strengthen the levee and exclude water, there were insufficient helicopters and pilots to set them before the levees broke. New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin pleaded for federal-level assistance and got none. Bush went to San Diego to play guitar with a country singer and end his vacation early - but not until the next day, because he had tickets to a San Diego Padres game. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi School Enrollment Down
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/30/05 8:01 AM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another full paying family took their full-paying kids out of town to a Waldorf school where they found there was also a consciousness based values system. The Fairfield home schooling program and the private home schooling seminar/tutoring teachers have always been a good alternative here and they are flourishing right now handling the MSAE erosion. A friend of mine took her full-paying son out of MSAE because a lot of his classmates were into swearing, looking at porn, etc. He's been doing home schooling since. And if he kid were in the Fairfield school system, she would have felt it necessary to have taken her kid out for the same reasons. And now she's going to make a homebody out of the kid so he is not around those sweary porny kids, in addition to home schooling him? Going to school socializes kids, and porn and swearing are part of the culture that kids need to deal with. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi School Enrollment Down
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/30/05 8:01 AM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another full paying family took their full-paying kids out of town to a Waldorf school where they found there was also a consciousness based values system. The Fairfield home schooling program and the private home schooling seminar/tutoring teachers have always been a good alternative here and they are flourishing right now handling the MSAE erosion. A friend of mine took her full-paying son out of MSAE because a lot of his classmates were into swearing, looking at porn, etc. He's been doing home schooling since. And if he kid were in the Fairfield school system, she would have felt it necessary to have taken her kid out for the same reasons. And now she's going to make a homebody out of the kid so he is not around those sweary porny kids, in addition to home schooling him? Going to school socializes kids, and porn and swearing are part of the culture that kids need to deal with. From the mouth and mind of Bob Brigante, noted world authority on child behavior. How come you didn't include a Vedic quote? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Familiar names?
John Hoffman, Harry Pavelka, Anthony Antimuro Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Shankara's aquirement of knowledge of sex-love, foot note!
[...] As the subject matter has been dealt with by a great sage like Vidyaranya, we have given almost a full translation. Excerpt: [...] and in holding their [the ho's of King Amaruka, into whose body Shankara has entered by performing the Yogic siddhi parashariiraaveshaH] bare bodies in tight embrace forgetting everything else in the thrill of concentrated joy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peer Reviewed Journals -- the Good, Bad and the Ugly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] My experience is that refereed journals and proceedings provide some degree of feedback and critique, but are not absolute measures of validity. Is anyone here familiar with what kesterton (MIU's first PhD in physiology) found in attempting to replicate Wallace's research. I've been told he uncovered a serious methodological problem. ** The methodological problem had to do with the assumption that the reduction of oxygen consumption was due to TM practice. If I remember correctly, it went something like this: Subjects sitting quietly with eyes open were compared to their measurements taken while meditating. The drop in oxygen consumption was attributed entirely to TM. Subsequent research showed that just sitting quietly with eyes closed reduced oxygen consumption by the same amount as TM. It was a bombshell that hardly anyone noticed. O2 consumption twice as low as the deepest point of sleep had been the proof of TM's profundity; now TM was equivalent to sitting quietly with eyes closed. The next development was metastudies which showed that, according to global measures, TM produced a state of rest twice as deep as deep sleep. The claim was the same, but no longer based on a starkly simple, irrefutable measurement. Now it was teased out of the statistics. The whole thing was smoothed over within a few months. L B S ** Mebbe so, but what TMer has not experienced the lessening of breath (which subsumes lessening of oxygen consumption), so it's a just a measurement problem -- it's not false that oxygen consumption is significantly lower in TM. Than what? Keith Wallace sez that prone resting shows the lowest O2 consumption. You're behind the times... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
