[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Perhaps Maharishi- Meant to Say...'
This Vastu stuff is for people living in artificial environments. I would say that this Vastu stuff is for artificial people living in artificial environments. As Maharishi once put it, Sthapatya Veda is entertainment for the rich. Where and when did he say this? He certainly seems to have changed his tune with his claim that he wishes he had been living in appropriate vastu for the last 50 years... Maybe it just took a few decades for him to get rich enough and bored enough to appreciate it. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Peeps
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So New Orleans is still here, but the mere ghost of itself. It's mind blowing every day for lots of people. Whole areas are still completely empty. Areas of the city which had 100s and thousands of people. Like Lakeview, Bucktown, The East, Chalmette, Slidel. And so on... My street Uptown, which came back faster than anywhere else except the French Quarter still only has three or four people living here fr the whole block, same around the corner and most 'populated' places. Nowhere is all full of people yet. It's truely bizarre. I got a job cooking at a very fine French Restaurant Uptown. It's pleasant. I miss you guys but I'm not really into the TM stuff any more right now so I don't intend to really get into the FFLife stuff. Just wanted to say hi and hope you're all doing well. Peace. Good to hear from you, and to hear that you're doing well. Carry on, dude... Unc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have said two contradictory things: that enlightenment is exactly like ignorance, and that it's not exactly like ignorance. Exactly. Now you're getting it. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never said I didn't have any expectations. I may not know what enlightenment is like, but I know what it ain't like? Still an expectation... Exactly. And the moment one has defined what is right here, right now as not enlightenment, one has shut down to some extent the ability to realize that what is right here, right now IS enlightenment. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Peeps
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hey PeepsRich nobodies who don't realize they aren't there. then how are the rich? Other people who aren't there give them money that doesn't exist. It's a very pleasant fiction, if you're in the non-existent group that gets the non-existent money, a little less pleasant if you're in the non-existent group that has to pay the non-existent money to the non-existent rich folks. It's sorta like virtual Monopoly. :=) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: National Geographic: Buddha Rising
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: National Geographic has an article in the December issue on the ? rise of Buddhist practitioners in the west. There are now 3.11 million Buddhists in the US and Canada making it the largest meditating community in the west and worldwide. It also gives 1.64 million in Europe, 710,000 in South America, 500,000 in Oceania and 150,000 in Africa. Pity none of them can agree about what Buddhism is. Pity? That's why it's so popular. Buddhism doesn't tend to deal in simplistic explanations that lead its followers into thinking that they've got every- thing figured out. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is the most unique achievement we can have as human beings. Infinitely complex and arduous to accomplish, yet absolutely irreproducible by anyone else. Uniquely personal to each of us is our journey to liberation, our journey to our Selves. No one else can follow our path. I liked the whole post, but comment only on the passage above. This is probably why I have found my spiritual home at co-freemasonry. There we have no dogmas to follow, just some general ethical principles like freedom, equality, brotherhood. Freemasonry recognizes and appreciates hierarchy and uses it as a tool of education, but its structure is not authoritarian. Critical thinking is appreciated at every level. We are encouraged to find our own path to truth. When you progress further you actually see it to be the only way. Freemasonry provides a close and long lasting community for spiritual seekers. The closeness of brotherhood is accomplished through rituals and symbols as methods of shared communication. We don't need to share the same worldview to feel brotherhood. The rituals create the close sharing people often yearn for. The founding thesis in our lodge was appreciation of differences of thought between humans. I have seen many times what kind of richness it is, when people with different spiritual backgrounds and conceptual frameworks share their thoughts on certain issues like `loyalty'. Compared to freemasonry the eastern traditions of unquestioningly surrendering to and following a guru feel quite immature as a methodology to enhance people's spiritual growth. In freemasonry the benefits of close sharing can be accomplished without the pitfalls and very apparent weaknesses of authoritarian guru systems. Freemasonry as a form and structure of spiritual school is very old, probably thousands of years. Because its methods of education have been far ahead the societies inside which the lodges have existed, the system has had to develop powerful methods to hide and protect its secrets. There is also prevalent the idea that you are initiated to deeper aspects only, when you have reached certain maturity. And many people evaluate the maturity of the candidate. It is not at the mercy of the possibly self-serving interests of a guru. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
No comments on what you wrote, Irmeli, except to say that I enjoyed reading them. But I do have a question. In what organization or group did you learn freemasonry? I was under the impression that it was closed to women. Unc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is the most unique achievement we can have as human beings. Infinitely complex and arduous to accomplish, yet absolutely irreproducible by anyone else. Uniquely personal to each of us is our journey to liberation, our journey to our Selves. No one else can follow our path. I liked the whole post, but comment only on the passage above. This is probably why I have found my spiritual home at co- freemasonry. There we have no dogmas to follow, just some general ethical principles like freedom, equality, brotherhood. Freemasonry recognizes and appreciates hierarchy and uses it as a tool of education, but its structure is not authoritarian. Critical thinking is appreciated at every level. We are encouraged to find our own path to truth. When you progress further you actually see it to be the only way. Freemasonry provides a close and long lasting community for spiritual seekers. The closeness of brotherhood is accomplished through rituals and symbols as methods of shared communication. We don't need to share the same worldview to feel brotherhood. The rituals create the close sharing people often yearn for. The founding thesis in our lodge was appreciation of differences of thought between humans. I have seen many times what kind of richness it is, when people with different spiritual backgrounds and conceptual frameworks share their thoughts on certain issues like `loyalty'. Compared to freemasonry the eastern traditions of unquestioningly surrendering to and following a guru feel quite immature as a methodology to enhance people's spiritual growth. In freemasonry the benefits of close sharing can be accomplished without the pitfalls and very apparent weaknesses of authoritarian guru systems. Freemasonry as a form and structure of spiritual school is very old, probably thousands of years. Because its methods of education have been far ahead the societies inside which the lodges have existed, the system has had to develop powerful methods to hide and protect its secrets. There is also prevalent the idea that you are initiated to deeper aspects only, when you have reached certain maturity. And many people evaluate the maturity of the candidate. It is not at the mercy of the possibly self-serving interests of a guru. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rays of Sun??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Any ideas why Bhoja seems to mention rays of sun in connection
with the most advanced stage of Yogic Flying?
aaditya-rashmibhish ca viharan yatheSTam (yathaa + iSTam)
aakaashena gacchati.
I would suggest a translation like:
Walking about (?viharan) with(?) the rays of sun
(aaditya-rashmi_bhish)
s/he goes (gacchati) in the space (aakaashena) as s/he wishes
(yatheSTam).
Instead of aaditya-rashmi Vyaasa has mere rashmi in the plural
locative case (rashmiSu: in the rays, or stuff).
It is just you are high in the sky like rays of the sun as they appear
through clouds.
Can you translate this Eki? It the ending of a mantra: shayinah
It seems to be nominative plural (or genitive [e.g. of]/ablative
[e.g. from] singular) of shaayin:
1 shAyin mfn. lying down , reclining , resting , abiding Br. c. c.
(mostly ifc. ; cf. %{adhaH-} , %{eka-z-} c.)
So, for instance of/from the resting one (genitive/ablative
singular) , the resting ones (nominative plural).
If you have any context, please don't ask for the meaning of an
individual word form, because, as you can see, it often depends on the
context. As an analogy in English, if you ask for the meaning
of can, one can't know whether you mean the verb or the noun.
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[FairfieldLife] The Tao of Dubya
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[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No comments on what you wrote, Irmeli, except to say that I enjoyed reading them. But I do have a question. In what organization or group did you learn freemasonry? I was under the impression that it was closed to women. Unc Under the umbrella of freemasonry there are many organizations. The biggest of them like Grand Orient are for males only. There are also organizations that accept both men and women. I belong to that kind of organization. It was founded in Paris in 1893 and its name is Le Droit Humain. It is active in 70 countries. There are also organizations where only women are accepted. Earlier the big male organizations didn't recognize organizations, where women where members. Now also that has started to change and we have had visitors in our lodges from the big male organizations. I once discussed with a high ranking visitor form the Grand Orient and he also confessed to me that he considers the work in our lodges to be clearly more advanced than in theirs. In our organization we think it is because we have both men and women as members. I was initiated to freemasonry in 1982 and have also been in the position of the Master in my lodge. Here is the address of Le Droit Humain: http://www.droit-humain.org/ The name of my lodge is Lux Aboensis. Its home page is at: http://members.tiscali.fi/luxaboensis/ By clicking at certain points you can proceed in it. Irmeli --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is the most unique achievement we can have as human beings. Infinitely complex and arduous to accomplish, yet absolutely irreproducible by anyone else. Uniquely personal to each of us is our journey to liberation, our journey to our Selves. No one else can follow our path. I liked the whole post, but comment only on the passage above. This is probably why I have found my spiritual home at co- freemasonry. There we have no dogmas to follow, just some general ethical principles like freedom, equality, brotherhood. Freemasonry recognizes and appreciates hierarchy and uses it as a tool of education, but its structure is not authoritarian. Critical thinking is appreciated at every level. We are encouraged to find our own path to truth. When you progress further you actually see it to be the only way. Freemasonry provides a close and long lasting community for spiritual seekers. The closeness of brotherhood is accomplished through rituals and symbols as methods of shared communication. We don't need to share the same worldview to feel brotherhood. The rituals create the close sharing people often yearn for. The founding thesis in our lodge was appreciation of differences of thought between humans. I have seen many times what kind of richness it is, when people with different spiritual backgrounds and conceptual frameworks share their thoughts on certain issues like `loyalty'. Compared to freemasonry the eastern traditions of unquestioningly surrendering to and following a guru feel quite immature as a methodology to enhance people's spiritual growth. In freemasonry the benefits of close sharing can be accomplished without the pitfalls and very apparent weaknesses of authoritarian guru systems. Freemasonry as a form and structure of spiritual school is very old, probably thousands of years. Because its methods of education have been far ahead the societies inside which the lodges have existed, the system has had to develop powerful methods to hide and protect its secrets. There is also prevalent the idea that you are initiated to deeper aspects only, when you have reached certain maturity. And many people evaluate the maturity of the candidate. It is not at the mercy of the possibly self-serving interests of a guru. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
Thanks. I'm asking for a female friend who had interests in those directions, but who was dismayed at finding out that she wasn't eligible. I'll pass your information along to her. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No comments on what you wrote, Irmeli, except to say that I enjoyed reading them. But I do have a question. In what organization or group did you learn freemasonry? I was under the impression that it was closed to women. Unc Under the umbrella of freemasonry there are many organizations. The biggest of them like Grand Orient are for males only. There are also organizations that accept both men and women. I belong to that kind of organization. It was founded in Paris in 1893 and its name is Le Droit Humain. It is active in 70 countries. There are also organizations where only women are accepted. Earlier the big male organizations didn't recognize organizations, where women where members. Now also that has started to change and we have had visitors in our lodges from the big male organizations. I once discussed with a high ranking visitor form the Grand Orient and he also confessed to me that he considers the work in our lodges to be clearly more advanced than in theirs. In our organization we think it is because we have both men and women as members. I was initiated to freemasonry in 1982 and have also been in the position of the Master in my lodge. Here is the address of Le Droit Humain: http://www.droit- humain.org/ The name of my lodge is Lux Aboensis. Its home page is at: http://members.tiscali.fi/luxaboensis/ By clicking at certain points you can proceed in it. Irmeli --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is the most unique achievement we can have as human beings. Infinitely complex and arduous to accomplish, yet absolutely irreproducible by anyone else. Uniquely personal to each of us is our journey to liberation, our journey to our Selves. No one else can follow our path. I liked the whole post, but comment only on the passage above. This is probably why I have found my spiritual home at co- freemasonry. There we have no dogmas to follow, just some general ethical principles like freedom, equality, brotherhood. Freemasonry recognizes and appreciates hierarchy and uses it as a tool of education, but its structure is not authoritarian. Critical thinking is appreciated at every level. We are encouraged to find our own path to truth. When you progress further you actually see it to be the only way. Freemasonry provides a close and long lasting community for spiritual seekers. The closeness of brotherhood is accomplished through rituals and symbols as methods of shared communication. We don't need to share the same worldview to feel brotherhood. The rituals create the close sharing people often yearn for. The founding thesis in our lodge was appreciation of differences of thought between humans. I have seen many times what kind of richness it is, when people with different spiritual backgrounds and conceptual frameworks share their thoughts on certain issues like `loyalty'. Compared to freemasonry the eastern traditions of unquestioningly surrendering to and following a guru feel quite immature as a methodology to enhance people's spiritual growth. In freemasonry the benefits of close sharing can be accomplished without the pitfalls and very apparent weaknesses of authoritarian guru systems. Freemasonry as a form and structure of spiritual school is very old, probably thousands of years. Because its methods of education have been far ahead the societies inside which the lodges have existed, the system has had to develop powerful methods to hide and protect its secrets. There is also prevalent the idea that you are initiated to deeper aspects only, when you have reached certain maturity. And many people evaluate the maturity of the candidate. It is not at the mercy of the possibly self-serving interests of a guru. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ *
[FairfieldLife] Cheerio
Title: Cheerio Im heading out of town for a week to see Amma in Michigan. If youre anywhere near there, come on by: http://amma.org/tours/amma-tours/michigan.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Perhaps Maharishi- Meant to Say...'
--- shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/22/05 9:27 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am wondering about the caves that Guru Dev and Tat Wala Baba and other Masters used. Were they perfect Vastus? And the Ashrams that Enlightened Masters lived in? I think the perfect Vastus is inside ourselves - not outside. Ingegerd This Vastu stuff is for people living in artificial environments. I would say that this Vastu stuff is for artificial people living in artificial environments. As Maharishi once put it, Sthapatya Veda is entertainment for the rich. Rick Archer's Maharishi quotes are for entertainment purposes only. As one (other?) person here. Yeah, God forbid that a fact get in the way of a good TMO fantasy Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Cheerio
On Nov 23, 2005, at 7:14 AM, Rick Archer wrote:I’m heading out of town for a week to see Amma in Michigan. If you’re anywhere near there, come on by: http://amma.org/tours/amma-tours/michigan.html Give her a hug from all of us! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: SACRED SEX AND WHEN CAN I GET SOME?
Similar systems existed in India for thousands of years. It's called the Devadâsi system. Young girls live in temples from a very young age and are made to function as Quasi-câllgirls-priestess. The system was finally abolished by the British. It's just a manipulation by cultural wolves.--OriginalMessage-- From "Rasa Von Werder" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 02:57:08 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] SACRED SEX AND WHEN CAN I GET SOME? IS RASA A TANTRIC GURU?http://www.womanthouartgod.com/ sacredsex.php Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] The State of Non-Meditation of the Ten Natures
Page 218; II. THE STATE OF NON-MEDITATION OF THE TEN NATURES 1. On the View Samantabhadra and Sattvavajra continue 'their' discourse: Samantabhadra: The teachers of the three dimensions, my emanations, teach methods of conceptual meditation to those involved in conceptual characteristics. [The sravakas] teach meditation on the calm [transcendent] state, [the pratyekabuddhas,] that on the deep state. (samatha [TM-style med.] and vipasyana, respectively). [The Bodhisattvas] teach meditation on the absence of identity that represents the union of calm state and deep vision. [Followers of kriya], having as their basis the concept of purity, visualize [themselves and the deity as] servant and lord. [Followers of ubhaya], having as their basis the separation of view and conduct, abide in meditation in order to achieve union. [Followers of yoga], on the basis of the state that transcends characteristics, abide in meditation endowed with characteristics. [Followers of Mahayoga], having as their basis the purity of their own mind, abide in radiation and re-absorbtion of the three [contemplations]. [Followers of anuyoga], mainly having as their basis the purity of cause and effect, abide in contemplation of light. All these are conceptual meditations and do not represent my teaching. This is my teaching. All is contemplation of the purity of the unborn, whether or not one meditates. All the phenomena of existence are the object of meditation without being conditioned by a particular method. Leaving them freely as they are is meditation! Listen! As these secret instructions on non-meditation refer to the true meaning that transcends words and definitions, in reality the Kunjed Gyalpos of the past have never taught anything, the Kunjed Gyalpos of the future will never teach anything, and the same applies to the Kunjed Gyalpos of the present. Listen! The supreme source, teacher of teachers, transmits the fundamental meaning precisely. Speaking of meditating or not meditating in regard to the fundamental meaning that transcends all affirmations and negations is like fighting against the air! The state in which there is no distraction from knowledge cannot be defined as either concrete or not concrete. As it [this] transcends all limits and the very concept of beyond limits, it cannot be confined within the [any] limited definition of meditating or not meditating. Listen! Just as for me, the teacher of teachers, the supreme source, it is impossible to use definitions of meditating or not meditating, so you too, Sattvavajra, and you practitioners abiding in the true meaning, try to be in this state! Listen! The supreme source, the teacher of the three times, has never defined the state of pure and total consciousness, saying, It is thus! It is not doing so now, and never will do so! When one understands that there is no view on which to meditate, alternating between meditation and non-meditation becomes a deviation. When one realizes the supreme unborn state, there is no longer even the concept of erring and not erring. ^^[71. The chapter on the inseparability of view and state of knowledge,^^ 228.5-230.4] 2. On Commitment (The Supreme Source, pgs. 219-220) As long as they remain on the path of conceptual characteristics, the teachers of the three dimensions, my emanations, distinguish between keeping and not keeping [the commitment], and in consequence they teach that it is necessary to observe the main and secondary rules. Listen! From the beginning I, the supreme source, am the natural condition, and as this nature transcends the dualism of subject and object, whoever understands all phenomena in this manner does not even form the idea of keeping or not keeping. Listen! I am the source, unaltered pure and total consciousness, I do not depend on antidotes and do not give birth to the consideration of an object. The commitment of the self-arising and self-perfected state of pure presence cannot be breached or damaged. Thus, it is not something one has to guard intentionally. Only authentic pure presence, unaltered by conceptual ideas, gives access to the fundamental meaning. As in the unborn state of consciousness dharmakaya has only one taste, I transcend the limit of entering or not entering it. Listen! Sattvavajra, experience the true state! Unless the secret state of pure presence, the fundamental essence, arises, then even an expert in words and definitions will not meet my teaching. From the beginning, this supreme state, in which there is no [commitment] to keep, pervades everything without needing to be guarded: unless one gains experience, any other way of keeping [the commitment] becomes an incurable disease! Listen! This is the commitment of my state: through undistracted
Re: [FairfieldLife] The State of Non-Meditation of the Ten Natures
cont'd 9. On Wisdom The supreme source, teacher of teachers, teaches that the unhindered essence is the true state of knowledge. All the phenomena of existence are one single thing in the ultimate unborn dimension. Thus, in the state of Mind, the unborn essence, there is no distinction between be- ing or not being hindered. Sattvavajra, now experience well! As all is one single thing in the ultimate unborn dimension, those who wish to relinquish hinderances and to accept the unhindered state do not concurr with the true mean- ing. According to the teaching of the supreme source, pure and total consciousness, by experiencing the unborn, all the phenomena that are continuously being born manifest as the essence. Whoever abides in the state that, like the sky, transcends analysis and judgement understands that hindering and not hindering both abide in pure and total consciousness. Listen! The aim of this teaching that the supreme source transmits to disciples is to clarify the meaning of wisdom that cannot be hin- dered: in fact, it abides in the self-arising essence that does not de- pend on causes or conditions. It is the state of knowledge that, once understood, brings one beyond affirming and refuting. So, Sattvavajra, experience now! Self-arising wisdom is beyond all objects of the mind: do not make understanding become an object on which to fix. As it transcends any object, it does not in any way curb ordinary mental consciousness. As all material phenomena mani- fest as the essence, it does not meditate at all. As forms manifest as the essence, it has no room at all for the dualism of hope and fear. Listen! The teacher of teachers, the supreme source, teaches his dis- ciples the unaltered state, enabling them to understand definitely the unaltered essence which is the root of all phenomena. Understand- ing the single fundamental nature, all is unified in the state of the supreme source, that is the universal nature. So, whoever knows per- fectly the supreme source also becomes expert in all infinite phenom- ena. Whoever acquires familiarity with my state acquires familiarity with [the nature of] every thing. Sattvavajra, experience well! The conclusion of everything is un- derstanding and acquiring familiarity with the essence of what one perceives through sight and hearing. Whatever form the essence as- sumes, one understands it's unborn nature. Undistracted presence be- yond hope and fear is the true state of knowledge. Sattvavajra, now experience well! Whatever form phenomena as- sume is only a means that symbolizes the supreme source: do not en- ter into conflict with this method of teaching! Once my children have understood that all is the unborn state, they no longer think in terms of samsara and nirvana: the fundamental nature is totally beyond judgement and analysis! [79. The chapter on the state that knows no hinderances, 245.6-247.5] 10. On Self-perfection Sattvavajra, now experience well! I, the teacher supreme source, teach that all the phenomena of existence without exception are the nature of unborn mind. Listen! As the nature of mind is self-perfected, I do not teach the dualism of realizing and not realizing. I do not judge in the dualistic terms of happiness and suffering. I am free from hope for nirvana and fear of samsara. As the nature of self-perfected mind manifests everywhere, I do not try to communicate that all is empty, and that all has never arisen. As the fundamental essence transcends judgement and analysis I do not get attached to the idea of realizing and establishing. Listen, Satvavajra. Now experience well! Just as I do not judge the self-perfected essence that transcends analysis in terms of realizing and not realizing, you do the same! Listen! Those who get attached to the concept that in the self- per- fected essence beyond action and seeking there is nothing to integrate are like children fighting the air: they do not see my nature. The minds of those who believe that integration consists in giving up something are enslaved by hope and fear: but how can a practitioner who remains attached to the limit of without limits ever attain the es- sence of self-perfection? Listen, Sattvavajra! Experience well! On perceiving the utterly pure unborn state, one no longer deems appearances as concrete or gets attached to it. When appearances self-liberate in the unborn, with- out needing to meditate on emptiness, one self-liberates by under- standing the authentic condition. I, the supreme source, teacher of teachers, teach that all the phe- nomena of existence are unborn and totally pure. Thus whatever thing is born I understand as the essence. Listen! The teachers of the three dimensions that emanate from me all speak of the unborn nature of mind, but even if they discuss at length the meaning of without self-nature, they do not understand the true
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have said two contradictory things: that enlightenment is exactly like ignorance, and that it's not exactly like ignorance. Exactly. Now you're getting it. :-) Enlightenment is not ignorance. Enlightenment is not not-ignorance... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never said I didn't have any expectations. I may not know what enlightenment is like, but I know what it ain't like? Still an expectation... Exactly. And the moment one has defined what is right here, right now as not enlightenment, one has shut down to some extent the ability to realize that what is right here, right now IS enlightenment. It goes both ways. Getting people to acknowledge they're in CC and have been for quite a while may be liberating, but they would have come to that realization on their own, anyway, so its not liberating, but just another storythat they've embraced, and quite possibly at a premature time. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for fun: King Bhoja's commentary on aakaasha-gamana-suutra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The YF-suutra in Sanskrit goes like this: kaayaakaashayoH saMbandha-saMyamaal laghu-tuula- samaapattesh caakaasha-gamanam. (without sandhi: kaaya; aakaashayoH; saMbandha- saMyamaat; laghu-tuula-samaapatteH; ca; aakaasha-gamanam.) King Bhoja's commentary: kaayaH paañca-bhautikaM shariiraM tasyaakashenaavakaasha- daayakena yaH saMbandhas tatra saMyamaM vidhaaya laghuni tuulaadau samaapattiM tanmayiibhaavalakSaNaaM ca vidhaaya praaptaatilaghubhaavo yogii prathamaM yathaaruci jale saMcaran krameNorNanaabhatantujaalena saMcaramaaNa aaditya-rashmibhish ca viharan yatheSTamaakaashena gacchati Attempt at translation (version 0.0.1): the body (kaayaH) [is], well, the body (shariiram) that consists of the five elements (paañca-bhautikam). Performing (vidhaaya) sanyama (saMyamaM) on its (tasya) relationship (saMbandhaH) to aakaasha (aakaashena) which is giving room (???avakaasha-daayakena), and having achieved (vidhaaya) the signs (lakSaNaam) of becoming (samaapattim) light (laghuni) as the essence (???tanmayiibhaava)of things like cotton fibre (tuulaadau), yogii who's become extremely light (praaptaatilaghu-bhaavaH) at first (prathamam) walking (saMcaran) as he likes (yathaaruci) on water (jale) gradually (krameNa [ krameNorna - krameNa + uurNa-] [being able?] to walk (saMcaramaaNa) on the web (tantu-jaalena) of a spider (uurNa-naabha) and moving (viharan) with the rays of sun (aaditya-rashmibhiH) [eventually?] goes (gacchati) by(?) aakaasha (aakaashena) as s/he wishes (yatheSTam - yathaa + iSTam) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory, I'll bet you a buck you can't express what you want to say here without resorting to the use of terms implying intentionality, conscious choice (deciding, making, denying, believing). Quite right; enlightenment consists (in part) in taking responsibility for one's own perceptions; in making a conscious choice to bless ourselves and our World unconditionally, thereby taking the perfection of the World into our heart, and infusing it thoroughly with our being, with our Self. In any case, with posts on this topic, from now on I will read no further than the first word implying some sort of intentionality. If you have any desire to communicate with me about this, you'll have to figure out how to do it without using any such terms, because I find them disrespectful, insulting, and hostile. That's your choice, of course -- or not-choice, if you prefer :-) I do wonder why you associate the idea of intentionality and responsibility with disrespect and hostility -- is it because you equate responsibility with blame? This is not what I mean. I am not blaming you for your ignorance and suffering, nor am I implying that you have been consciously choosing it. No one consciously chooses to suffer. I am only saying that if you wish to *escape* suffering, you must allow that which has been *unconscious* to *become* conscious. Old pain will inevitably arise in this process; it is asking to be attended to, to be healed. If this time we *eat* it, digest or assimilate it with simple attention -- this too is OK; it is part of wholeness -- and with breath, we allow that old pain to finally die and reintegrate into the harmony of our greater whole, freeing up all the energy that went into keeping that part of ourselves not-OK and exiled. The Absolute (our consciousness) has now moved to where it was not; we have consequently grown in love (sat) and light (chit) and laughter (ananda)! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for fun: King Bhoja's commentary on aakaasha-gamana-suutra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attempt at translation (version 0.0.1): the body (kaayaH) [is], well, the body (shariiram) that consists of the five elements (paañca-bhautikam). Performing (vidhaaya) sanyama (saMyamaM) on its (tasya) relationship (saMbandhaH) to aakaasha (aakaashena) which is giving room (???avakaasha-daayakena), and having achieved (vidhaaya) the signs (lakSaNaam) of becoming (samaapattim) light (laghuni) as the essence (???tanmayiibhaava)of things like cotton fibre (tuulaadau), yogii who's become extremely light (praaptaatilaghu-bhaavaH) at first (prathamam) walking (saMcaran) as he likes (yathaaruci) on water (jale) gradually (krameNa [ krameNorna - krameNa + uurNa-] [being able?] to walk (saMcaramaaNa) on the web (tantu-jaalena) of a spider (uurNa-naabha) and moving (viharan) with the rays of sun (aaditya-rashmibhiH) [eventually?] goes (gacchati) by(?) aakaasha (aakaashena) as s/he wishes (yatheSTam - yathaa + iSTam) FWIW I do recall something like walking on the web of a spider; this consisted in seeing a cord spin out from my navel to a distant place and walking/running extremely lightly and swiftly along it -- it felt like a kind of horizontal levitation. Also the study of and identification with the various solar rays over the following few years was a very large part of my own ascension process :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never said I didn't have any expectations. I may not know what enlightenment is like, but I know what it ain't like? Still an expectation... Exactly. Yes, exactly, just as I said from the start. Very funny how folks believe they're cluing me in on something here. And the moment one has defined what is right here, right now as not enlightenment, Described as my experience, not defined. one has shut down to some extent the ability to realize that what is right here, right now IS enlightenment. Now I'm beginning to see the motivation behind all the intentional language. If one can frame the ability to realize as something intentional rather than as something that happens to one, then one has a basis for taking personal credit for it, claiming authorship of it, being in control of it: *I* did it, me, all by myself! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brilliant post, Jim. Thanks for taking the time to write it. And Thank You for providing the venue through FFL where I was able to post it! on 11/22/05 7:14 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/22/05 3:28 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm simply saying that isn't the case with me. I have no idea what enlightenment is like; I only know it isn't what *ignorance* is like. It's like, people in chat groups who ordinarily get on your nerves and cause you to react are no longer capable of doing so. Enlightenment is what is left over after the curtain of maya is drawn aside. snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory, I'll bet you a buck you can't express what you want to say here without resorting to the use of terms implying intentionality, conscious choice (deciding, making, denying, believing). Quite right; enlightenment consists (in part) in taking responsibility And then one can claim authorship of one's enlightenment. *I* did it! snip I do wonder why you associate the idea of intentionality and responsibility with disrespect and hostility No, I was mistaken. I just now had a rush of brains to the head and realized it's not hostility, it's a need to defend one's sense that one should be able to take personal credit for one's enlightenment. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory, I'll bet you a buck you can't express what you want to say here without resorting to the use of terms implying intentionality, conscious choice (deciding, making, denying, believing). Quite right; enlightenment consists (in part) in taking responsibility And then one can claim authorship of one's enlightenment. *I* did it! *lol* if not *I* then who? snip I do wonder why you associate the idea of intentionality and responsibility with disrespect and hostility No, I was mistaken. I just now had a rush of brains to the head and realized it's not hostility, it's a need to defend one's sense that one should be able to take personal credit for one's enlightenment. There is at the heart of things only *I*; only the Self -- so who is to assign or receive credit or blame? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory, I'll bet you a buck you can't express what you want to say here without resorting to the use of terms implying intentionality, conscious choice (deciding, making, denying, believing). Quite right; enlightenment consists (in part) in taking responsibility And then one can claim authorship of one's enlightenment. *I* did it! snip I do wonder why you associate the idea of intentionality and responsibility with disrespect and hostility No, I was mistaken. I just now had a rush of brains to the head and realized it's not hostility, it's a need to defend one's sense that one should be able to take personal credit for one's enlightenment. Hi Judy- it was an interesting thing, and very much in line with what you are saying here, that when I was looking for that quote earlier about the Self unfolding by itself, I googled it, and guess what? It was you that came up in the results as the first one to have posted the quote, that I was then able to use! Having said that, this is the eternal conundrum associated with enlightenment; uncovering the Self. Everyone, and rightly so, perceives the process to it differently. Rory speaks in terms of intentionality, taking credit if you will, and he is right. You, on the other hand persist in saying it happens by itself. Also right! The key as I see it, is to begin to identify with that which would make itself known, our Selves. Which I haven't seen you contradict or disagree with yet... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for fun: King Bhoja's commentary on aakaasha-gamana-suutra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attempt at translation (version 0.0.1): the body (kaayaH) [is], well, the body (shariiram) that consists of the five elements (paañca-bhautikam). Performing (vidhaaya) sanyama (saMyamaM) on its (tasya) relationship (saMbandhaH) to aakaasha (aakaashena) which is giving room (???avakaasha-daayakena), and having achieved (vidhaaya) the signs (lakSaNaam) of becoming (samaapattim) light (laghuni) as the essence (???tanmayiibhaava)of things like cotton fibre (tuulaadau), yogii who's become extremely light (praaptaatilaghu-bhaavaH) at first (prathamam) walking (saMcaran) as he likes (yathaaruci) on water (jale) gradually (krameNa [ krameNorna - krameNa + uurNa-] [being able?] to walk (saMcaramaaNa) on the web (tantu-jaalena) of a spider (uurNa-naabha) and moving (viharan) with the rays of sun (aaditya-rashmibhiH) [eventually?] goes (gacchati) by(?) aakaasha (aakaashena) as s/he wishes (yatheSTam - yathaa + iSTam) FWIW I do recall something like walking on the web of a spider; this consisted in seeing a cord spin out from my navel Well, uurNa-naabha (spider) literally means (having)wool (on the) navel ... to a distant place and walking/running extremely lightly and swiftly along it -- it felt like a kind of horizontal levitation. Also the study of and identification with the various solar rays over the following few years was a very large part of my own ascension process :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for fun: King Bhoja's commentary on aakaasha-gamana-suutra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, uurNa-naabha (spider) literally means (having)wool (on the) navel ... Ha! Most interesting! Many thanks, card; I never saw before how my own process of ascension was so clearly prefigured in the YS :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Cheerio
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[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory, I'll bet you a buck you can't express what you want to say here without resorting to the use of terms implying intentionality, conscious choice (deciding, making, denying, believing). Quite right; enlightenment consists (in part) in taking responsibility And then one can claim authorship of one's enlightenment. *I* did it! snip I do wonder why you associate the idea of intentionality and responsibility with disrespect and hostility No, I was mistaken. I just now had a rush of brains to the head and realized it's not hostility, it's a need to defend one's sense that one should be able to take personal credit for one's enlightenment. Hi Judy- it was an interesting thing, and very much in line with what you are saying here, that when I was looking for that quote earlier about the Self unfolding by itself, I googled it, and guess what? It was you that came up in the results as the first one to have posted the quote, that I was then able to use! Oh, now, this was fun. Out of curiosity, I did the same, to see what the context was. That was a neat discussion, and a nice bit of ego-boo for moi to see my post enshrined like that. Thanks for the pointer! Having said that, this is the eternal conundrum associated with enlightenment; uncovering the Self. Everyone, and rightly so, perceives the process to it differently. Rory speaks in terms of intentionality, taking credit if you will, and he is right. You, on the other hand persist in saying it happens by itself. Also right! Maybe *this* is the difference in some respect between enlightenment and ignorance I keep talking about. But it still seems to me that the ego is involved (very possibly in both claims). The key as I see it, is to begin to identify with that which would make itself known, our Selves. Which I haven't seen you contradict or disagree with yet... Well, of course not. I just insist--not theoretically but on the basis of my own experience--that the process of identifying more and more with the Self is nonintentional. That's from the perspective of *ignorance*, of course, in which intention is the (apparent) function of the self. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SACRED SEX AND WHEN CAN I GET SOME?
Similar systems existed in India for thousands of years. It's called the Devadâsi system. Young girls live in temples from a very young age and are made to function as Quasi-câllgirls-priestess. The system was finally abolished by the British. It's just a manipulation by cultural wolves. -I don't know. It sounds like a smart set up. More people go to church and stay out of other trouble that way. Later, they bring one of your kids and say, "We need child support!" This way the community stays active in Church life. Tighter community and all that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never said I didn't have any expectations. I may not know what enlightenment is like, but I know what it ain't like? Still an expectation... Exactly. Yes, exactly, just as I said from the start. Very funny how folks believe they're cluing me in on something here. And the moment one has defined what is right here, right now as not enlightenment, Described as my experience, not defined. one has shut down to some extent the ability to realize that what is right here, right now IS enlightenment. Now I'm beginning to see the motivation behind all the intentional language. If one can frame the ability to realize as something intentional rather than as something that happens to one, then one has a basis for taking personal credit for it, claiming authorship of it, being in control of it: *I* did it, me, all by myself! But there is no person to take credit for it in enlightenment. Prior to this there is a sense of ownership and responsibility for action and its concequences. But in enlightenment it is an absurd notion to talk about an individuality. None can be located . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Now I'm beginning to see the motivation behind all the intentional language. If one can frame the ability to realize as something intentional rather than as something that happens to one, then one has a basis for taking personal credit for it, claiming authorship of it, being in control of it: *I* did it, me, all by myself! But there is no person to take credit for it in enlightenment. Prior to this there is a sense of ownership and responsibility for action and its concequences. But in enlightenment it is an absurd notion to talk about an individuality. None can be located. So the enlightened among us, for whom individuality is an absurdity, are insisting that *I* must take responsibility as an individual for becoming enlightened. And I'm the one insisting it *isn't* a matter of individual responsibility. Seems a bit backwards to me... If there is no ownership or responsibility, why are they urging me to take ownership and responsibility? (But it certainly highlights, once again, what I've been saying about there being a difference in some respect between enlightenment and ignorance.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Hi Judy- it was an interesting thing, and very much in line with what you are saying here, that when I was looking for that quote earlier about the Self unfolding by itself, I googled it, and guess what? It was you that came up in the results as the first one to have posted the quote, that I was then able to use! Oh, now, this was fun. Out of curiosity, I did the same, to see what the context was. That was a neat discussion, and a nice bit of ego-boo for moi to see my post enshrined like that. Thanks for the pointer! Sure. Yeah that stuff is fun! Having said that, this is the eternal conundrum associated with enlightenment; uncovering the Self. Everyone, and rightly so, perceives the process to it differently. Rory speaks in terms of intentionality, taking credit if you will, and he is right. You, on the other hand persist in saying it happens by itself. Also right! Maybe *this* is the difference in some respect between enlightenment and ignorance I keep talking about. But it still seems to me that the ego is involved (very possibly in both claims). All ego is, is sense of self. The difference being that before enlightenment the ego asociates with the small, localized and ignorant self. After enlightenment the ego associates with the unbounded universal infinite Self. Ego is not bad per se, just a way for the Infinite to function in the world. The key as I see it, is to begin to identify with that which would make itself known, our Selves. Which I haven't seen you contradict or disagree with yet... Well, of course not. I just insist--not theoretically but on the basis of my own experience--that the process of identifying more and more with the Self is nonintentional. That's from the perspective of *ignorance*, of course, in which intention is the (apparent) function of the self. It is the same perspective from both enlightenment and ignorance. Just as you quoted, the Self unfolds by itself. As you put more attention on that process, it happens more quickly, but always by its Self. As far as I can see, you are on the right track. Eventually we become so miserable that enlightenment blossoms regardless of our intentions! Really a mysterious thing... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip there is no person to take credit for it in enlightenment. Prior to this there is a sense of ownership and responsibility for action and its concequences. But in enlightenment it is an absurd notion to talk about an individuality. None can be located . In the purest sense, I agree with you, but having gained a universal nature in enlightenment, we can function within as few or as many boundaries as necessary in order to accomplish our desires. So appearing to take ownership within a Self specified context is very possible, albeit somewhat artificial with regard to the fullest extent of our identity following liberation/realization. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory, I'll bet you a buck you can't express what you want to say here without resorting to the use of terms implying intentionality, conscious choice (deciding, making, denying, believing). Quite right; enlightenment consists (in part) in taking responsibility And then one can claim authorship of one's enlightenment. *I* did it! snip I do wonder why you associate the idea of intentionality and responsibility with disrespect and hostility No, I was mistaken. I just now had a rush of brains to the head and realized it's not hostility, it's a need to defend one's sense that one should be able to take personal credit for one's enlightenment. Is that anything like the need to believe that one isn't? :-) You're the one being hostile, Jude. We're just trying to relate our experiences. I think you're just pissed off because they're happening to other people and not yourself. Which on an occult level is *exactly* the thing you should feel if you want to make sure they *never* happen for you. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I'm beginning to see the motivation behind all the intentional language. If one can frame the ability to realize as something intentional rather than as something that happens to one, then one has a basis for taking personal credit for it, claiming authorship of it, being in control of it: *I* did it, me, all by myself! And why are you so afraid of this concept? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory, I'll bet you a buck you can't express what you want to say here without resorting to the use of terms implying intentionality, conscious choice (deciding, making, denying, believing). Quite right; enlightenment consists (in part) in taking responsibility And then one can claim authorship of one's enlightenment. *I* did it! *lol* if not *I* then who? snip I do wonder why you associate the idea of intentionality and responsibility with disrespect and hostility No, I was mistaken. I just now had a rush of brains to the head and realized it's not hostility, it's a need to defend one's sense that one should be able to take personal credit for one's enlightenment. There is at the heart of things only *I*; only the Self -- so who is to assign or receive credit or blame? Or even care. :-) I have to admit, this (Judy's) is one of the silliest points of view I've ever encountered on this subject. FFL never ceases to amaze me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory, I'll bet you a buck you can't express what you want to say here without resorting to the use of terms implying intentionality, conscious choice (deciding, making, denying, believing). Quite right; enlightenment consists (in part) in taking responsibility And then one can claim authorship of one's enlightenment. *I* did it! *lol* if not *I* then who? snip I do wonder why you associate the idea of intentionality and responsibility with disrespect and hostility No, I was mistaken. I just now had a rush of brains to the head and realized it's not hostility, it's a need to defend one's sense that one should be able to take personal credit for one's enlightenment. There is at the heart of things only *I*; only the Self -- so who is to assign or receive credit or blame? Or even care. :-) I have to admit, this (Judy's) is one of the silliest points of view I've ever encountered on this subject. Silly, or not, do you doubt her sincerity? FFL never ceases to amaze me. Likewise. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never said I didn't have any expectations. I may not know what enlightenment is like, but I know what it ain't like? Still an expectation... Exactly. Yes, exactly, just as I said from the start. Very funny how folks believe they're cluing me in on something here. And the moment one has defined what is right here, right now as not enlightenment, Described as my experience, not defined. one has shut down to some extent the ability to realize that what is right here, right now IS enlightenment. Now I'm beginning to see the motivation behind all the intentional language. If one can frame the ability to realize as something intentional rather than as something that happens to one, then one has a basis for taking personal credit for it, claiming authorship of it, being in control of it: *I* did it, me, all by myself! But there is no person to take credit for it in enlightenment. Prior to this there is a sense of ownership and responsibility for action and its concequences. But in enlightenment it is an absurd notion to talk about an individuality. None can be located . But the three gunas are still acting in the manner in which the three gunas manifest in a body with a certain genetic makeup and history. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory, I'll bet you a buck you can't express what you want to say here without resorting to the use of terms implying intentionality, conscious choice (deciding, making, denying, believing). Quite right; enlightenment consists (in part) in taking responsibility And then one can claim authorship of one's enlightenment. *I* did it! snip I do wonder why you associate the idea of intentionality and responsibility with disrespect and hostility No, I was mistaken. I just now had a rush of brains to the head and realized it's not hostility, it's a need to defend one's sense that one should be able to take personal credit for one's enlightenment. Is that anything like the need to believe that one isn't? :-) Yes, in the sense that both are illusions those who purport to be enlightened entertain. You're the one being hostile, Jude. I just got done saying it wasn't you guys. Sometime you *really* ought to learn to read, Barry. We're just trying to relate our experiences. I think you're just pissed off because they're happening to other people and not yourself. I've made it crystal clear what it is that pisses me off, and that ain't it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
judy stein wrote: You have said two contradictory things: that enlightenment is exactly like ignorance, and that it's not exactly like ignorance. TorquiseB writes: Exactly. Now you're getting it. :-) Tom T comments: This is the entire story of Jaimini. On the one hand there is ignorance and the other there is enlightenment. The paradox of awakening is that both, either or neither can be held in the mind at any time. The whole purpose of Jaimini was to stretch the container. Of course it goes without saying that it can be held but not understand how this container can hold two diametrically opposed things. That is the underlying reality of the day to day living of it. Not understanding how is part of the fun. It seems that the conundrum brought to the surface brings out the joke of how it was hidden right in front of you all this time. So you can live it but not understand it for a while. What's wrong with not understanding as long as one has the joy of the paradox itself? Hey! play with the paradox, it is your toy. Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I'm beginning to see the motivation behind all the intentional language. If one can frame the ability to realize as something intentional rather than as something that happens to one, then one has a basis for taking personal credit for it, claiming authorship of it, being in control of it: *I* did it, me, all by myself! And why are you so afraid of this concept? Why do you so badly need to believe I'm afraid of it? Could it be that *you're* afraid of the concept that your need to believe you're in control is absurd? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
Peter writes: But there is no person to take credit for it in enlightenment. Prior to this there is a sense of ownership and responsibility for action and its concequences. But in enlightenment it is an absurd notion to talk about an individuality. None can be located . Sparegg Writes: But the three gunas are still acting in the manner in which the three gunas manifest in a body with a certain genetic makeup and history. Tom T writes: Alistair Scherer tranlation of Patanjali the last sutras in the book. Sutra 31 Knowledge which has been freed from the veils of impurity is unbounded. Whatever can be known is insignificant in its light. Sutra 32 This samadhi completes the transformations of the gunas and fulfils the purpose of evolution. Sutra 33 Now the process by which evolution unfolds through time is understood. Sutra 34 The gunas, their purpose fulfilled, return to their original state of harmony, and pure unbounded Consciousness remains, forever established in its own absolute nature. This is Enlightenment. One could also say there is a no longer a small individuality but it has merged with and become the cosmic individuality of which there is only one of us. Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
On Nov 23, 2005, at 12:45 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: judy stein wrote: You have said two contradictory things: that enlightenment is exactly like ignorance, and that it's not exactly like ignorance. TorquiseB writes: Exactly. Now you're getting it. :-) Tom T comments: This is the entire story of Jaimini. On the one hand there is ignorance and the other there is enlightenment. The paradox of awakening is that both, either or neither can be held in the mind at any time. Which is yet another way of confirming what I've been saying: in some respect, there is a difference between enlightenment and ignorance. It's very funny. You guys think you're *rebutting* that notion when you're actually reinforcing it, over and over and over. Time to send them to a Byron Katie refresher course: Advaito-Speak 102. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory, I'll bet you a buck you can't express what you want to say here without resorting to the use of terms implying intentionality, conscious choice (deciding, making, denying, believing). Quite right; enlightenment consists (in part) in taking responsibility And then one can claim authorship of one's enlightenment. *I* did it! *lol* if not *I* then who? snip I do wonder why you associate the idea of intentionality and responsibility with disrespect and hostility No, I was mistaken. I just now had a rush of brains to the head and realized it's not hostility, it's a need to defend one's sense that one should be able to take personal credit for one's enlightenment. There is at the heart of things only *I*; only the Self -- so who is to assign or receive credit or blame? Or even care. :-) Mmm-hmm. Which is why there are now at least two dozen posts from those among us who claim some authority on the subject (a good portion of them yours). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter writes: But there is no person to take credit for it in enlightenment. Prior to this there is a sense of ownership and responsibility for action and its concequences. But in enlightenment it is an absurd notion to talk about an individuality. None can be located . Sparegg Writes: But the three gunas are still acting in the manner in which the three gunas manifest in a body with a certain genetic makeup and history. Tom T writes: Alistair Scherer tranlation of Patanjali the last sutras in the book. Non sequitur in the context of what Sparaig is saying. Sutra 31 Knowledge which has been freed from the veils of impurity is unbounded. Whatever can be known is insignificant in its light. Sutra 32 This samadhi completes the transformations of the gunas and fulfils the purpose of evolution. Sutra 33 Now the process by which evolution unfolds through time is understood. Sutra 34 The gunas, their purpose fulfilled, return to their original state of harmony, and pure unbounded Consciousness remains, forever established in its own absolute nature. This is Enlightenment. One could also say there is a no longer a small individuality but it has merged with and become the cosmic individuality of which there is only one of us. Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
In tantra ignorance is recognized as one of ones basic qualities and instead of denied is changed into the mirror of the basic condition underlying all things. - Original Message - From: tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may judy stein wrote:You have said two contradictory things: thatenlightenment is exactly like ignorance, andthat it's not exactly like ignorance. TorquiseB writes:Exactly. Now you're getting it. :-)Tom T comments:This is the entire story of Jaimini. On the one hand there isignorance and the other there is enlightenment. The paradox ofawakening is that both, either or neither can be held in the mind atany time. The whole purpose of Jaimini was to stretch the container.Of course it goes without saying that it can be held but notunderstand how this container can hold two diametrically opposedthings. That is the underlying reality of the day to day living of it.Not understanding how is part of the fun. It seems that the conundrumbrought to the surface brings out the joke of how it was hidden rightin front of you all this time. So you can live it but not understandit for a while. What's wrong with not understanding as long as one hasthe joy of the paradox itself? Hey! play with the paradox, it is yourtoy. Tom T To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] guffaw
A new word I learned from Judy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] The Tao of Dubya
That was one of the funniest reads Ive had in a long time! Thanks for passing it on! ~Paula Funny: http://www.willthomas.net/Convergence/Weekly/Dubya.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In tantra ignorance is recognized as one of ones basic qualities and instead of denied is changed into the mirror of the basic condition underlying all things. - Original Message - From: tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may judy stein wrote: You have said two contradictory things: that enlightenment is exactly like ignorance, and that it's not exactly like ignorance. TorquiseB writes: Exactly. Now you're getting it. :-) Tom T comments: This is the entire story of Jaimini. On the one hand there is ignorance and the other there is enlightenment. The paradox of awakening is that both, either or neither can be held in the mind at any time. The whole purpose of Jaimini was to stretch the container. Of course it goes without saying that it can be held but not understand how this container can hold two diametrically opposed things. That is the underlying reality of the day to day living of it. Not understanding how is part of the fun. It seems that the conundrum brought to the surface brings out the joke of how it was hidden right in front of you all this time. So you can live it but not understand it for a while. What's wrong with not understanding as long as one has the joy of the paradox itself? Hey! play with the paradox, it is your toy. Tom T The funniest part is that when it is no longer hidden, it becomers self-evident that it was never hidden. Self has never been not. It is the same in one claiming ignorance as in one claiming enlightenment because it IS NOT AN EXPERIENCE, it is the context of everything. Let this point to THAT. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group FairfieldLife on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter writes: But there is no person to take credit for it in enlightenment. Prior to this there is a sense of ownership and responsibility for action and its concequences. But in enlightenment it is an absurd notion to talk about an individuality. None can be located . Sparegg Writes: But the three gunas are still acting in the manner in which the three gunas manifest in a body with a certain genetic makeup and history. Tom T writes: Alistair Scherer tranlation of Patanjali the last sutras in the book. Sutra 31 Knowledge which has been freed from the veils of impurity is unbounded. Whatever can be known is insignificant in its light. Sutra 32 This samadhi completes the transformations of the gunas and fulfils the purpose of evolution. Sutra 33 Now the process by which evolution unfolds through time is understood. Sutra 34 The gunas, their purpose fulfilled, return to their original state of harmony, and pure unbounded Consciousness remains, forever established in its own absolute nature. This is Enlightenment. One could also say there is a no longer a small individuality but it has merged with and become the cosmic individuality of which there is only one of us. Tom T SSRS introduced me to this understanding of self-realization. All experience is identified with and subsumed as I until no other exists. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[FairfieldLife] Scorpionland to get 24 hour boozing
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
Dont you think that is because it is a personal relationship with what is? I see from the standpoint of my self. I see from the standpoint of the all... I, I , I, I (I am the frito bandito sorry, couldnt resist) Why not just enjoy? Paula there are now at least two dozen posts from those among us who claim some authority on the subject (a good portion of them yours). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: National Geographic: Buddha Rising
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: National Geographic has an article in the December issue on the ? rise of Buddhist practitioners in the west. There are now 3.11 million Buddhists in the US and Canada making it the largest meditating community in the west and worldwide. It also gives 1.64 million in Europe, 710,000 in South America, 500,000 in Oceania and 150,000 in Africa. Pity none of them can agree about what Buddhism is. Pity? That's why it's so popular. Buddhism doesn't tend to deal in simplistic explanations that lead its followers into thinking that they've got every- thing figured out. :-) * To respond to a Koan we must learn to manifest our understanding simply and directly without hesitation. http://www.zenproject.faithweb.com/zen_teachings/koan_practice.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Aztec Prophecy
From: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/circle2012dreams/ http://www.cablevision.qc.ca/micael/spåcetïme.htmThe sacred Aztec calendar is properly called the Eagle Bowl. It represents the solar deity Tonatiuh. The amazingly accurate calendar has been in use in various forms for more than 2,000 years. A Zapotec prophecy, based on the Eagle Bowl, states: After Thirteen Heavens of Decreasing Choice, and Nine Hells of Increasing Doom, the Tree of Life shall blossom with a fruit never before known in the creation, and that fruit shall be the New Spirit of Men. The 13 Heavens and 9 Hells were each 52 years long (1,144 years total). Each of the 9 Hells were to be worse than the last. On the final day of the last Hell (August 17, 1987), Tezcatlipoca, god of death, would remove his mask of jade to reveal himself as Quetzelcoatl, god of peace. In the mythology of the Aztecs, the first age of mankind ended with the animals devouring humans. The second age was finished by wind, the third by fire, and the fourth by water. The present fifth epoch is called Nahui-Olin (Sun of Earthquake), which began in 3113 BC and will end on December 24, 2011. It will be the last destruction of human existence on Earth. The date coincides closely with that determined by the brothers McKenna in The Invisible Landscape as the end of history indicated by their computer analysis of the ancient Chinese oracle-calendar, the I Ching. The Mayan calendar is divided into Seven Ages of Man. The fourth epoch ended in August 1987. The Mayan calendar comes to an end on Sunday, December 23, 2012. Only a few people will survive the catastrophe that ensues. In the fifth age, humanity will realize its spiritual destiny. In the sixth age, we will realize God within ourselves, and in the seventh age we will become so spiritual that we will be telepathic. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Now I'm beginning to see the motivation behind all the intentional language. If one can frame the ability to realize as something intentional rather than as something that happens to one, then one has a basis for taking personal credit for it, claiming authorship of it, being in control of it: *I* did it, me, all by myself! But there is no person to take credit for it in enlightenment. Prior to this there is a sense of ownership and responsibility for action and its concequences. But in enlightenment it is an absurd notion to talk about an individuality. None can be located. So the enlightened among us, for whom individuality is an absurdity, are insisting that *I* must take responsibility as an individual for becoming enlightened. And I'm the one insisting it *isn't* a matter of individual responsibility. Seems a bit backwards to me... If there is no ownership or responsibility, why are they urging me to take ownership and responsibility? (But it certainly highlights, once again, what I've been saying about there being a difference in some respect between enlightenment and ignorance.) I think it can be understood using the concept of dharma. Within the context of waking state there is a foundational dharma of individual responsibility because there is so clearly a phenomenological I that is me. One engages in spiritual practices to integrate being etc., etc.. Then something happens and the Self wakes-up to what it has already been. Now the dharma has shifted because there is no I present and the perspectiveless perspective is quite different from the perspective of I in waking state. Everything just happens and it is self-evident that it has always occured this way. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Selection from FFL Greatest Hits: you may
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter I think it can be understood using the concept of dharma. Within the context of waking state there is a foundational dharma of individual responsibility because there is so clearly a phenomenological I that is me. One engages in spiritual practices to integrate being etc., etc.. Then something happens and the Self wakes-up to what it has already been. Now the dharma has shifted because there is no I present and the perspectiveless perspective is quite different from the perspective of I in waking state. Everything just happens and it is self-evident that it has always occured this way. For me enlightenment can be described as a radical shift in the functioning of the brain.Prior to enlightenment the brain created the expereince of an individual self and then as a result of long term meditation or some other process the brain stops creating this expereince.In the absence of an expereince of an individual self there is a state of conciousness in which there is no sense whatsoever of someonedoing something.Nonetheless doing/action goes on.This is because the existence of the body/mind and its functions does not (in the mature adult)depend on the experience of an individual self.I think you can actually make a pretty good arguement that except for the particular brain involved very little of any significance occurs ie for the world at large whenenlightenment takes place.IMHO the term enlightenment would nore appropriately be used to describe someone whose behavior reflects traits which are commonly associated with higher human functioning eg compassion,creativity etc.Kevin http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] no person in Enlightenment?
No person in Enlightenment, nobody there, at home? Not quite correct. Adi Da clarifies the situation, resolving the question of responsibility at the same time; that is, if there's no person there, then nobody's responsible, right? The only thing missing is a false identification regarding the I as an ego. Adi Da brings up the Midieval notion of a Humunculus. Some of the Midieval alchemists as primieval philosopher psychologists of that era, took note that people seem to identify as an I located in the center of the head, somewhat as a tiny man, or Humunculus inside the larger body and part of it. The false I is this type of Humunculus or tiny man which vanishes when the person becomes Enlightened (or as Adi Da says, realizes one's prior innate status as the Self). But then, Adi Da goes on to say, the I in ignorance is the body plus the Huhumunculus, but after Enlightenment, it's the body!. That is, the I is the body: a concept clearly in contrast with the viewpoint of Nisargadatta Maharaj and the other neo-Advaitins who simplate that the real I is the Self. (as Ramana Maharshi says, the I behind the I). But, says Adi Da, this doesn't make sense. Jokingly, Adi says Nothing exists; meaning that after Enlightenment, something does exist in the relative sense: the same stuff that always exists: the sky, cars, horses, the whole relative ball of wax. Now the problem with saying there's nobody there is that this negates the question of responsibility; perhaps misguiding followers into the false notion that everything an Enlightened person does must be Dharmic. The reason why enlightened people can commit a-dharmic acts, and do have responsibility, is that millions of years of selfish behavior is built into the DNA of the BODY (the I that still exists after Enlightenment), and this doesn't vanish until death. Thus, anti-social, inappropriate, and even criminal acts can be performed by people before, and after the moment of Enlightenment due to the strong enduring momentum of biological cravings and selfish behavior accompanying the fundamental DNA building blocks of the cells. It's all in the CELLS, Dude, so don't say there's nobody there. The body is there and was there all along, and the body performs actions in accord with Pavlovian conditioning. This may include criminal behavior, for which the Enlightened person will have to be prosecuted for, the same as the unenlightened. Comprede? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: no person in Enlightenment?
---Thanks. Furthermore, according to the I=Body viewpoint, individuality would always exist, as long as a body exists; so the notion that after Enlightenment no invididuality exists, is absurd. Does anybody in their right fricken mind claim that MMY is not an individual? Give me a break!... In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No person in Enlightenment, nobody there, at home? Not quite correct. Adi Da clarifies the situation, resolving the question of responsibility at the same time; that is, if there's no person there, then nobody's responsible, right? The only thing missing is a false identification regarding the I as an ego. Adi Da brings up the Midieval notion of a Humunculus. Some of the Midieval alchemists as primieval philosopher psychologists of that era, took note that people seem to identify as an I located in the center of the head, somewhat as a tiny man, or Humunculus inside the larger body and part of it. The false I is this type of Humunculus or tiny man which vanishes when the person becomes Enlightened (or as Adi Da says, realizes one's prior innate status as the Self). But then, Adi Da goes on to say, the I in ignorance is the body plus the Huhumunculus, but after Enlightenment, it's the body!. That is, the I is the body: a concept clearly in contrast with the viewpoint of Nisargadatta Maharaj and the other neo-Advaitins who simplate that the real I is the Self. (as Ramana Maharshi says, the I behind the I). But, says Adi Da, this doesn't make sense. Jokingly, Adi says Nothing exists; meaning that after Enlightenment, something does exist in the relative sense: the same stuff that always exists: the sky, cars, horses, the whole relative ball of wax. Now the problem with saying there's nobody there is that this negates the question of responsibility; perhaps misguiding followers into the false notion that everything an Enlightened person does must be Dharmic. The reason why enlightened people can commit a-dharmic acts, and do have responsibility, is that millions of years of selfish behavior is built into the DNA of the BODY (the I that still exists after Enlightenment), and this doesn't vanish until death. Thus, anti-social, inappropriate, and even criminal acts can be performed by people before, and after the moment of Enlightenment due to the strong enduring momentum of biological cravings and selfish behavior accompanying the fundamental DNA building blocks of the cells. It's all in the CELLS, Dude, so don't say there's nobody there. The body is there and was there all along, and the body performs actions in accord with Pavlovian conditioning. This may include criminal behavior, for which the Enlightened person will have to be prosecuted for, the same as the unenlightened. Comprede? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: no person in Enlightenment?
-Actually Adi Da is a pretty good example of someone who is enlightenedand who acts in a narcissistic anti-social fashion. This is of course assuming he has actually transcended the expereince of an individual self.I do agree with the proposition that the basis of action post enlightenment is the individual body-mind and its make up(genetics/learning hx).Of course one could make an arguement that the is also the basis of behavior pre enlightement :) Kevin -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No person in Enlightenment, nobody there, at home? Not quite correct. Adi Da clarifies the situation, resolving the question of responsibility at the same time; that is, if there's no person there, then nobody's responsible, right? The only thing missing is a false identification regarding the I as an ego. Adi Da brings up the Midieval notion of a Humunculus. Some of the Midieval alchemists as primieval philosopher psychologists of that era, took note that people seem to identify as an I located in the center of the head, somewhat as a tiny man, or Humunculus inside the larger body and part of it. The false I is this type of Humunculus or tiny man which vanishes when the person becomes Enlightened (or as Adi Da says, realizes one's prior innate status as the Self). But then, Adi Da goes on to say, the I in ignorance is the body plus the Huhumunculus, but after Enlightenment, it's the body!. That is, the I is the body: a concept clearly in contrast with the viewpoint of Nisargadatta Maharaj and the other neo-Advaitins who simplate that the real I is the Self. (as Ramana Maharshi says, the I behind the I). But, says Adi Da, this doesn't make sense. Jokingly, Adi says Nothing exists; meaning that after Enlightenment, something does exist in the relative sense: the same stuff that always exists: the sky, cars, horses, the whole relative ball of wax. Now the problem with saying there's nobody there is that this negates the question of responsibility; perhaps misguiding followers into the false notion that everything an Enlightened person does must be Dharmic. The reason why enlightened people can commit a-dharmic acts, and do have responsibility, is that millions of years of selfish behavior is built into the DNA of the BODY (the I that still exists after Enlightenment), and this doesn't vanish until death. Thus, anti-social, inappropriate, and even criminal acts can be performed by people before, and after the moment of Enlightenment due to the strong enduring momentum of biological cravings and selfish behavior accompanying the fundamental DNA building blocks of the cells. It's all in the CELLS, Dude, so don't say there's nobody there. The body is there and was there all along, and the body performs actions in accord with Pavlovian conditioning. This may include criminal behavior, for which the Enlightened person will have to be prosecuted for, the same as the unenlightened. Comprede? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Happy Thanksgiving!
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