[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
A common story told to us on TM-courses - was about the meditator that wished for an apple and suddenly the apple was in his hand. I have never experienced such a thing, but I think from my mind it is possible from the consciousness to create material things. Deepak Chopra has explained it in a rational way. Everything starts with a vibration who creates a sound which creates a form. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought that the connection that the TMO made to quantum physics was always just a cute little analogy and nothing more. Never took it seriously and I always hoped no one else would either. Beyond being an analogy and using the platform of quantum mechanics to serve as an illustration for how consicousness works, I never saw an actual connection between the working of the mind and consciousness and physics. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: File Under: TMO lies and marketing ploys; Boomeritis Hinduism; Pseudo- advaita Answers from biologist and physicist Ken Wilber. http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6 The first question has to do directly with the relation of modern quantum physics and spirituality. In effect, does physics prove God, does the Tao find proof in quantum realities? Answer: Categorically not. I don't know more confusion in the last thirty years than has come from quantum physics Ken goes on to outline the three major confusions that have dominated the popular (mis)understanding of the relationship of physics and mysticism. #1: Your consciousness does not create electrons. Unlike Newtonian physics, which can predict the location of large objects moving at slow speeds, quantum physics only offers a probability wave in which a given particle, like an electron, should show up. But here's the funny thing: it is only at the moment that one makes the measurement that the electron actually does show up. Certain writers and theorists have thus suggested that human intentionality actually creates reality on a quantum level. The most popular version of this idea can be found in the movie What the Bleep Do We Know?!, in which we qwaff reality into existence. Ken suggests this is both bad physics and bad mysticism. As for the former, in his book, Quantum Questions, Ken compiled the original writings of the 13 most important founders of modern quantum and relativistic physics, to explore their understanding of the relationship of physics and mysticism. Without exception, each one of them believed that modern physics does NOT prove spiritual realities in any fashion. And yet each of them was a mystic, not because of physics, but in spite of it. By pushing to the outer limits of their discipline, a feat which requires true genius, they found themselves face to face with those realities that physics categorically could not explain. Likewise, none of those founders of modern physics believed that the act of consciousness was responsible for creating particles at the quantum level. David Bohm did not believe that, Schroedinger did not believe that, Heisenberg did not believe that. That belief requires the enormous self-infatuation and narcissism, or boomeritis, of the post-modern ego, and Ken goes into the possible psychology behind all of that. #2: Quantum vacuum potentials are not unmanifest Spirit. The immediate problem with the notion that certain unmanifest or vacuum quantum realities give rise to the manifest world, and that the quantum vacuum is Spirit, is that it immediately presupposes a radically divided Spirit or Ultimate. There is Spirit over here, manifestation over there, and it's only through these quantum vacuum potentials that Spirit actualizes manifestationwith Spirit set apart from manifestation. As the great contemplative traditions agree, true nondual Spirit is the suchness, emptiness, or isness of all manifestation, and as such leaves everything exactly where it finds it. Nondual Spirit is no more set apart from manifestation than the wetness of the ocean is set apart from waves. Wetness is the suchness or isness of all waves. By identifying Spirit with quantum potential, you are actually qualifying the Unqualifiable, giving it characteristicsand right there, Ken says, things start to go horribly wrong, and they never recover. These folks are trying to give characteristics to Emptiness. They therefore make it dualistic. And then things get worse from there #3: Just because you understand quantum mechanics doesn't mean you're enlightened. Physics is an explicitly 3rd-person approach to reality, whereas meditative,
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A common story told to us on TM-courses - was about the meditator that wished for an apple and suddenly the apple was in his hand. I have never experienced such a thing, but I think from my mind it is possible from the consciousness to create material things. Deepak Chopra has explained it in a rational way. Everything starts with a vibration who creates a sound which creates a form. Ingegerd I think that this *is* an example of creating things with consciousness, but not quite in the same way as Ingegerd possibly means. Someone tells some gullible people who are so spaced out from rounding that they'd believe *anything* a story, and voila! -- a belief is created. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought that the connection that the TMO made to quantum physics was always just a cute little analogy and nothing more. Never took it seriously and I always hoped no one else would either. Beyond being an analogy and using the platform of quantum mechanics to serve as an illustration for how consicousness works, I never saw an actual connection between the working of the mind and consciousness and physics. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: File Under: TMO lies and marketing ploys; Boomeritis Hinduism; Pseudo- advaita Answers from biologist and physicist Ken Wilber. http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6 The first question has to do directly with the relation of modern quantum physics and spirituality. In effect, does physics prove God, does the Tao find proof in quantum realities? Answer: Categorically not. I don't know more confusion in the last thirty years than has come from quantum physics Ken goes on to outline the three major confusions that have dominated the popular (mis)understanding of the relationship of physics and mysticism. #1: Your consciousness does not create electrons. Unlike Newtonian physics, which can predict the location of large objects moving at slow speeds, quantum physics only offers a probability wave in which a given particle, like an electron, should show up. But here's the funny thing: it is only at the moment that one makes the measurement that the electron actually does show up. Certain writers and theorists have thus suggested that human intentionality actually creates reality on a quantum level. The most popular version of this idea can be found in the movie What the Bleep Do We Know?!, in which we qwaff reality into existence. Ken suggests this is both bad physics and bad mysticism. As for the former, in his book, Quantum Questions, Ken compiled the original writings of the 13 most important founders of modern quantum and relativistic physics, to explore their understanding of the relationship of physics and mysticism. Without exception, each one of them believed that modern physics does NOT prove spiritual realities in any fashion. And yet each of them was a mystic, not because of physics, but in spite of it. By pushing to the outer limits of their discipline, a feat which requires true genius, they found themselves face to face with those realities that physics categorically could not explain. Likewise, none of those founders of modern physics believed that the act of consciousness was responsible for creating particles at the quantum level. David Bohm did not believe that, Schroedinger did not believe that, Heisenberg did not believe that. That belief requires the enormous self-infatuation and narcissism, or boomeritis, of the post-modern ego, and Ken goes into the possible psychology behind all of that. #2: Quantum vacuum potentials are not unmanifest Spirit. The immediate problem with the notion that certain unmanifest or vacuum quantum realities give rise to the manifest world, and that the quantum vacuum is Spirit, is that it immediately presupposes a radically divided Spirit or Ultimate. There is Spirit over here, manifestation over there, and it's only through these quantum vacuum potentials that Spirit actualizes manifestationwith Spirit set apart from manifestation. As the great contemplative traditions agree, true nondual Spirit is the suchness, emptiness, or isness of all manifestation, and as such leaves everything exactly where it finds it. Nondual Spirit is no more set apart from manifestation than the wetness of the ocean is set apart from waves. Wetness is the suchness or isness of all waves. By identifying Spirit with quantum
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hoogeh snippeh #2: Quantum vacuum potentials are not unmanifest Spirit. OM AkAshastalliN^gAt.h OM - BS I 22 :D Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Something really good-using algae to reduce pollution and make oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I weren't so lazy I'd maintain a website for all these wonderful inventions one hears about periodically. Some time back in this forum we read about an electric motor powered by the earth's magnetic field. I've seen reports on- and owned -- devices that splice to the fuel line to increase my car's fuel efficiency and reduce pollution. And there are the fuel additives. And the round houses that focus the space's energy to the benefit of the residents, and much more I wish someone would keep track of this stuff and tell us how it's doing as the years progress- whether it's been proven a hoax, or is tied up in court, or what. Didn't Maharishi once say that, when collective consciousness rose high enough, all kinds of new inventions would come out that would help us live in a heaven on earth? Get a bowl of distilled water, and a couple of carbon rods, (spent C type batteries are a handy source)held properly so that as they wear down, they can be fed towards one another as will be seen to be necessary below. Using a step down transformer to give 30 volts Alternating Current, (NOT DC), pass this voltage to the carbon rods under the water; i.e. strike an arc between them. This will create a plasma between the ends of the carbon rods, and a prepostrous amount of hydrogen gas and carbon monoxide will bubble off. Collect this in some sort of inverted funnel and burn it to produce heat or hot water. Please note that carbon monoxide is deadly. Uns. Mix this gas with five times as much air, or it won't burn. With a certain amount of messing about and conversion, it can be fed into a petrol engine. This project is not aimed at the absolute beginner, but it is not aimed at rocket scientists either. Ideal for any schools physics teacher. Uns. N.B. Ultra-violet light given off, my source now tells me. Take care. Use goggles. But taking all energy into account, the energy out/ energy in is believed to be 200 - 300%. Very substantially over unity. More: http://tinyurl.com/7nk2n Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
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#2: Quantum vacuum potentials are not unmanifest Spirit.
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- BS I 1 22 :D
aakashaH; tat; linga_at
(B. Mullquist: aakaasha [is brahma{n}] that-char.mark.-from,
[that is: 'because of'])
http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/bs_1/1-1-08.html
The word Akasa i.e., ether here is Brahman on
account of characteristic marks
(of that i.e. Brahman being mentioned).
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
On Jan 22, 2006, at 5:43 AM, cardemaister wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hoogeh snippeh #2: Quantum vacuum potentials are not unmanifest Spirit. OM AkAshastalliN^gAt.h OM Addenda corrigenda: - BS I 1 22 :D aakashaH; tat; linga_at (B. Mullquist: aakaasha [is brahma{n}] that-char.mark.-from, [that is: '"because" of']) http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/bs_1/1-1-08.html The word Akasa i.e., ether here is Brahman on account of characteristic marks (of that i.e. Brahman being mentioned). Did you listen to the lecture? This is explained, the confusion of Spirit with Quantum reality.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: [nhnenews] Paula Zahn Now: 'Sex For Salvation?'
There is a little booklet written by a Finnish clergyman Raimo Mäkelä. He has been working for the Finnish Established Church. The title of the book would be in English something like : The healthy mind as a mask. It was published in 2001. There he describes a certain personality type, which he calls the psychopath, or the narsissistic personality. His view is, apparently through his own difficult experiences, that people with this disorder abound inside the Churches, and also in important positions there. He sees the only way to avoid abuse and damage done by these people to be to learn to recognize those people, and not letting them get in leading positions. And if they have gotten in those positions and you recognize having one as your boss, it would be better to leave. He has written the concise booklet in order to improve people's discrimination in this respect. Many people have told the book was for them a real eye-opener. Almost everyone of us has experienced at some point serious frustration, or felt having been used, by people with those characteristics. These people most probably continue to exist, and they have very strong cravings for being seen as superior and for power. Because this condition is very common, I personally am suspicious of every person, who has created him/herself a situation, where he/she is seen as a superior being, whose actions are beyond our capacity of judgement. I'm also very suspicious of everyone, who has created himself a saintly image. In Finnish the word for saint is pyhimys. It is very close to the Finnish word ylimys, wich means aristrocrat. The word ylimys is derived from the adjective ylimielinen, which describes someone who considers himself to be superior to others and so he doesn't respect the others. Irmeli --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NHNE News List Current Members: 1402 Subscribe/unsubscribe/archive info at the bottom of this message. SEX FOR SALVATION? Paul Zahn Now, on CNN, USA January 19, 2006 http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/19/pzn.01.html ZAHN: I want to warn you now that you may not want the kids in the room for this next story. It deals with some disturbing allegations of sex, trust and betrayal. The central figures in the story, a major church in a big city, its respected leader, and a young woman who turned there for spiritual comfort after a crisis. Here is David Mattingly with tonight's Eye Opener. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) MONA BREWER, FORMER CHAPEL HILL HARVESTER CHURCH MEMBER: And she died when she was 18 in a car accident suddenly. And I really had a real experience with God at that time. DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Twenty years ago and just a teenager, a young Mona Brewer was reeling from the death of her sister and turned to God. She found comfort in the welcoming arms of the Chapel Hill Harvester Church near Atlanta http://www.col.tv/. At the time, it was one of the nation's growing charismatic mega- churches, with thousands of members led by the influential Bishop Earl Paulk. BISHOP EARL PAULK, CHAPEL HILL HARVESTER CHURCH: I want you to praise God with us today. BREWER: He had a -- a fresh word from God every time he came to the pulpit, which was several times a week. And it was amazing, you know, that God spoke to him such -- on such a frequency. And we were taught that spiritual authority was -- your level of spiritual authority was according to, you know, your revelation from God, or the things that God revealed to a person. And he was -- we were taught he was a prophet and an apostle in the church. MATTINGLY: Mona says she came to view Paulk, a married father and grandfather, as a holy messenger of the lord selected by God to speak for the almighty. And, over time, Bishop Paulk's church became her life. Mona became a teacher in the church school, a soloist in the church choir. And, at age 27, she even married an associate church pastor, a union blessed by Paulk himself, a man she believed so close to God that his words could never be questioned. BREWER: There were signs on the walls at the church. They didn't put scriptures on the wall. They put his sayings, his quotations. And one of them was, The kingdom of God is built in trust. And we were taught that we were to trust our spiritual authority, and we were taught not to question it. MATTINGLY: And so it went for years, Mona says, until, one day, Paulk asked for a meeting with her. It was a request that left her both elated and curious. BREWER: I was just overwhelmed, because that was such a great opportunity. Nobody got to do that. I mean, he was awesome. I mean, everybody wanted to talk to him. And he just invited me to his office to talk to him for a few minutes. And that was really incredible. (MUSIC) MATTINGLY: She says this man she respected so much, it turns out, had been moved by her
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: [nhnenews] Paula Zahn Now: 'Sex For Salvation?'
--- Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a little booklet written by a Finnish clergyman Raimo Mäkelä. He has been working for the Finnish Established Church. The title of the book would be in English something like : The healthy mind as a mask. It was published in 2001. There he describes a certain personality type, which he calls the psychopath, or the narsissistic personality. His view is, apparently through his own difficult experiences, that people with this disorder abound inside the Churches, and also in important positions there. He sees the only way to avoid abuse and damage done by these people to be to learn to recognize those people, and not letting them get in leading positions. And if they have gotten in those positions and you recognize having one as your boss, it would be better to leave. He has written the concise booklet in order to improve people's discrimination in this respect. Many people have told the book was for them a real eye-opener. Almost everyone of us has experienced at some point serious frustration, or felt having been used, by people with those characteristics. These people most probably continue to exist, and they have very strong cravings for being seen as superior and for power. Because this condition is very common, I personally am suspicious of every person, who has created him/herself a situation, where he/she is seen as a superior being, whose actions are beyond our capacity of judgement. I'm also very suspicious of everyone, who has created himself a saintly image. In Finnish the word for saint is pyhimys. It is very close to the Finnish word ylimys, wich means aristrocrat. The word ylimys is derived from the adjective ylimielinen, which describes someone who considers himself to be superior to others and so he doesn't respect the others. Irmeli The old addage by Nietzsche, Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I wonder how many of those who abuse their power by using others to gratify their own desires start out that way? Perhaps the temptation is so great and the resistance so low by the object' that it is near impossible to resist. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NHNE News List Current Members: 1402 Subscribe/unsubscribe/archive info at the bottom of this message. SEX FOR SALVATION? Paul Zahn Now, on CNN, USA January 19, 2006 http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/19/pzn.01.html ZAHN: I want to warn you now that you may not want the kids in the room for this next story. It deals with some disturbing allegations of sex, trust and betrayal. The central figures in the story, a major church in a big city, its respected leader, and a young woman who turned there for spiritual comfort after a crisis. Here is David Mattingly with tonight's Eye Opener. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) MONA BREWER, FORMER CHAPEL HILL HARVESTER CHURCH MEMBER: And she died when she was 18 in a car accident suddenly. And I really had a real experience with God at that time. DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Twenty years ago and just a teenager, a young Mona Brewer was reeling from the death of her sister and turned to God. She found comfort in the welcoming arms of the Chapel Hill Harvester Church near Atlanta http://www.col.tv/. At the time, it was one of the nation's growing charismatic mega- churches, with thousands of members led by the influential Bishop Earl Paulk. BISHOP EARL PAULK, CHAPEL HILL HARVESTER CHURCH: I want you to praise God with us today. BREWER: He had a -- a fresh word from God every time he came to the pulpit, which was several times a week. And it was amazing, you know, that God spoke to him such -- on such a frequency. And we were taught that spiritual authority was -- your level of spiritual authority was according to, you know, your revelation from God, or the things that God revealed to a person. And he was -- we were taught he was a prophet and an apostle in the church. MATTINGLY: Mona says she came to view Paulk, a married father and grandfather, as a holy messenger of the lord selected by God to speak for the almighty. And, over time, Bishop Paulk's church became her life. Mona became a teacher in the church school, a soloist in the church choir. And, at age 27, she even married an associate church pastor, a union blessed by Paulk himself, a man she believed so close to God that his words could never be questioned. BREWER: There were signs on the walls at the church. They didn't put scriptures on the wall. They put his sayings, his quotations. And one of them was, The kingdom of God is built in trust. And we were taught that we were to trust our spiritual authority, and we were taught not to question
[FairfieldLife] Re: Extraterrestrial consciousness: Universe Communion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes I was aware of this. Much of it, from what I had read in the past, seems to be part scientific materialist vs. higher states of consciousness debate. Yeah, none of the material I cited had anything to do with resistance to the idea of higher states of consciousness. It wasn't even mentioned. There was a *lot* of resistance, however, to the thesis of a book by a man named Temple that claimed the Dogon were told about the Sirius system by a bunch of extraterrestrials from Sirius on a visit to Earth. (Actually I guess one could consider Temple's thesis an example of resistance to the idea of knowledge obtained through higher states of consciousness, although none of what I read *about* Temple's book suggested such a position on his part.) It would be virtually impossible for a hard- core materialistic scientist to understand the states of consciousness these peoples were accessing. If that's what they were, in fact, doing. There are a number of tribes in Africa in which the majority of the people are spiritually awake. Or at least there were. Many in Mali are being destroyed by infection of Islam and other Abrahamical religions which don't support or even allow such pagan or primitive practices. This the relevance of the song and it's theme of scientific materialism and the limitations of the waking state. I have no problem at all with this theme, to the contrary. It's just not at all clear that the Dogon notions about Sirius are an example of transcending such limitations. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: File Under: TMO lies and marketing ploys; I'm not sure the TMO has ever made the claims Wilber debunks, actually. Boomeritis Hinduism; Pseudo- advaita Answers from biologist and physicist Ken Wilber. http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6 The first question has to do directly with the relation of modern quantum physics and spirituality. In effect, does physics prove God, does the Tao find proof in quantum realities? Answer: Categorically not. I don't know more confusion in the last thirty years than has come from quantum physics Ken goes on to outline the three major confusions that have dominated the popular (mis)understanding of the relationship of physics and mysticism. #1: Your consciousness does not create electrons. Unlike Newtonian physics, which can predict the location of large objects moving at slow speeds, quantum physics only offers a probability wave in which a given particle, like an electron, should show up. But here's the funny thing: it is only at the moment that one makes the measurement that the electron actually does show up. Certain writers and theorists have thus suggested that human intentionality actually creates reality on a quantum level. The most popular version of this idea can be found in the movie What the Bleep Do We Know?!, in which we qwaff reality into existence. Ken suggests this is both bad physics and bad mysticism. As for the former, in his book, Quantum Questions, Ken compiled the original writings of the 13 most important founders of modern quantum and relativistic physics, to explore their understanding of the relationship of physics and mysticism. Without exception, each one of them believed that modern physics does NOT prove spiritual realities in any fashion. And yet each of them was a mystic, not because of physics, but in spite of it. By pushing to the outer limits of their discipline, a feat which requires true genius, they found themselves face to face with those realities that physics categorically could not explain. Likewise, none of those founders of modern physics believed that the act of consciousness was responsible for creating particles at the quantum level. David Bohm did not believe that, Schroedinger did not believe that, Heisenberg did not believe that. That belief requires the enormous self-infatuation and narcissism, or boomeritis, of the post-modern ego, and Ken goes into the possible psychology behind all of that. #2: Quantum vacuum potentials are not unmanifest Spirit. The immediate problem with the notion that certain unmanifest or vacuum quantum realities give rise to the manifest world, and that the quantum vacuum is Spirit, is that it immediately presupposes a radically divided Spirit or Ultimate. There is Spirit over here, manifestation over there, and it's only through these quantum vacuum potentials that Spirit actualizes manifestationwith Spirit set apart from manifestation. As the great contemplative traditions agree, true nondual Spirit is the suchness, emptiness, or isness of all manifestation, and as such leaves everything exactly where it finds it. Nondual Spirit is no more set apart from manifestation than the wetness of the ocean is set apart from waves. Wetness is the suchness or isness of all waves. By identifying Spirit with quantum potential, you are actually qualifying the Unqualifiable, giving it characteristicsand right there, Ken says, things start to go horribly wrong, and they never recover. These folks are trying to give characteristics to Emptiness. They therefore make it dualistic. And then things get worse from there #3: Just because you understand quantum mechanics doesn't mean you're enlightened. Physics is an explicitly 3rd-person approach to reality, whereas meditative, contemplative, or mystical disciplines are explicitly 1st-person approaches to reality. Neither perspective is more real than the other, but each perspective does disclose different truths, and you cannot use the truth disclosed in one domain to colonize another. The study of physics, as a 3rd- person discipline, will not get you enlightenment; and meditation, as a 1st- person discipline, will not disclose the location of an asteroid (or an electron). The content of enlightenment is the realization of that which is timeless, formless, and eternally unchanging. The content of physics is the understanding of the movement of form within time, i.e. that which is constantly changing. And if you hook Buddha's enlightenment to a theory of physics that gets disproved tomorrow, does that mean Buddha loses his enlightenment? Ken goes on to suggest that what might be influencing quantum realities is not Suchness per se, but bio-energy
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: File Under: TMO lies and marketing ploys; Boomeritis Hinduism; Pseudo- advaita Ken goes on to suggest that what might be influencing quantum realities is not Suchness per se... This must be forwarded to Pseuds Corner, Private Eye. http://tinyurl.com/d4fte If you fly in ever more decreasing circles, Vaj, you will end up flying up your own alimentary canal. TM works, punk. You only have to do what you are instructed to do; probably you didn't. That's why family doctors suggest it over and above whatever you would push at us, which they will not even have heard of. Uns. What do you mean by works? The goal of TM is self realization or is it relaxation? Seems like there has always been this public/private split in the teaching. TM is a great relaxation technique but of limited use for self-realization at least in the general population. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: [nhnenews] Paula Zahn Now: 'Sex For Salvation?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The old addage by Nietzsche, Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. nitpick Actually it was by Lord Acton. /nitpick Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:00:01 -0500 To: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Conversation: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth Subject: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth snip This strikes me as a strange group for the West. Unlike Thailand or India, we have no tradition here of directly supporting monks. And unlike the traditional monks like the Benedictines, aligned and supported by the Catholic church, these guys have to beg regularly to support their lifestyles, living in poverty, and for what? It seems like a very strange thing to put oneself through...building castles in the air. They are not living in poverty though. The accomodations are very high class, I imagine the food also is expensive organic food. They may not have alot of cash, but compared to alot of America, they live quite nicely and the lifestyle is not too rough. I would not equate poverty with lack of cash entirely. It was certainly not poverty in NC -- multi-room suites in a luxury resort type setting, working a couple hours a day. But that was with kaplan support. Typically MMY takes 50% off the top of all mov't projects, so out of the $1000 each purusha has to bring in each month about $500 will go to MMY and $500 to support the purusha. That will mean a drastic decline in quality of living conditions, ie. moldy livingston manor or a relatively nice place in lower cost of living India. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: [nhnenews] Paula Zahn Now: 'Sex For Salvation?'
Comments interleaved below. --- Irmeli Mattsson wrote: There is a little booklet written by a Finnish clergyman Raimo Mäkelä. He has been working for the Finnish Established Church. The title of the book would be in English something like : The healthy mind as a mask. It was published in 2001. In _Path of Light_, Robert Perry says that everyone wears a mask. He takes this teaching from the Course in Miracles. These masks conceal the scheming egomaniacs beneath, who live by taking from others. I see a strong parallel between the Course in Miracles view of the ego and the small-S self we discuss around here. It's an artificial construct that masks a universal consciousness. --- Peter wrote: I wonder how many of those who abuse their power by using others to gratify their own desires start out that way? Perhaps the temptation is so great and the resistance so low by the object' that it is near impossible to resist. I would think you'd have a hypothesis or two about this, based on your work. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
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#2: Quantum vacuum potentials are not unmanifest Spirit.
OM AkAshastalliN^gAt.h OM
Addenda corrigenda:
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aakashaH; tat; linga_at
(B. Mullquist: aakaasha [is brahma{n}] that-char.mark.-from,
[that is: 'because of'])
http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/bs_1/1-1-08.html
The word Akasa i.e., ether here is Brahman on
account of characteristic marks
(of that i.e. Brahman being mentioned).
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.
Kiteo, his eyes closed.
Shaka, when the walls fell.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
I agree with Judy. The TMO is usually not that excessive in its use of quantum physics metapohors, but there are individuals with rather concrete thinking that hvave blurred the metaphor/ experience distinction. --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: File Under: TMO lies and marketing ploys; I'm not sure the TMO has ever made the claims Wilber debunks, actually. Boomeritis Hinduism; Pseudo- advaita Answers from biologist and physicist Ken Wilber. http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6 The first question has to do directly with the relation of modern quantum physics and spirituality. In effect, does physics prove God, does the Tao find proof in quantum realities? Answer: Categorically not. I don't know more confusion in the last thirty years than has come from quantum physics Ken goes on to outline the three major confusions that have dominated the popular (mis)understanding of the relationship of physics and mysticism. #1: Your consciousness does not create electrons. Unlike Newtonian physics, which can predict the location of large objects moving at slow speeds, quantum physics only offers a probability wave in which a given particle, like an electron, should show up. But here's the funny thing: it is only at the moment that one makes the measurement that the electron actually does show up. Certain writers and theorists have thus suggested that human intentionality actually creates reality on a quantum level. The most popular version of this idea can be found in the movie What the Bleep Do We Know?!, in which we qwaff reality into existence. Ken suggests this is both bad physics and bad mysticism. As for the former, in his book, Quantum Questions, Ken compiled the original writings of the 13 most important founders of modern quantum and relativistic physics, to explore their understanding of the relationship of physics and mysticism. Without exception, each one of them believed that modern physics does NOT prove spiritual realities in any fashion. And yet each of them was a mystic, not because of physics, but in spite of it. By pushing to the outer limits of their discipline, a feat which requires true genius, they found themselves face to face with those realities that physics categorically could not explain. Likewise, none of those founders of modern physics believed that the act of consciousness was responsible for creating particles at the quantum level. David Bohm did not believe that, Schroedinger did not believe that, Heisenberg did not believe that. That belief requires the enormous self-infatuation and narcissism, or boomeritis, of the post-modern ego, and Ken goes into the possible psychology behind all of that. #2: Quantum vacuum potentials are not unmanifest Spirit. The immediate problem with the notion that certain unmanifest or vacuum quantum realities give rise to the manifest world, and that the quantum vacuum is Spirit, is that it immediately presupposes a radically divided Spirit or Ultimate. There is Spirit over here, manifestation over there, and it's only through these quantum vacuum potentials that Spirit actualizes manifestation�with Spirit set apart from manifestation. As the great contemplative traditions agree, true nondual Spirit is the suchness, emptiness, or isness of all manifestation, and as such leaves everything exactly where it finds it. Nondual Spirit is no more set apart from manifestation than the wetness of the ocean is set apart from waves. Wetness is the suchness or isness of all waves. By identifying Spirit with quantum potential, you are actually qualifying the Unqualifiable, giving it characteristics�and right there, Ken says, things start to go horribly wrong, and they never recover. These folks are trying to give characteristics to Emptiness. They therefore make it dualistic. And then things get worse from there #3: Just because you understand quantum mechanics doesn't mean you're enlightened. Physics is an explicitly 3rd-person approach to reality, whereas meditative, contemplative, or mystical disciplines are explicitly 1st-person approaches to reality. Neither perspective is more real than the other, but each perspective does disclose different truths, and you cannot use the truth disclosed in one domain to colonize another. The study of physics, as a 3rd- person discipline, will not get you enlightenment; and meditation, as a 1st- person discipline, will not disclose the location of an asteroid (or an electron). The content of enlightenment is the realization of that which is
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
He only cites Chopra in the talk--which IMO means, by extension, the TMO.On Jan 22, 2006, at 9:35 AM, authfriend wrote:I'm not sure the TMO has ever made the claims Wilber debunks, actually. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
On Jan 22, 2006, at 9:34 AM, Peter wrote:What do you mean by "works?" The goal of TM is self realization or is it relaxation? Seems like there has always been this public/private split in the teaching. TM is a great relaxation technique but of limited use for self-realization at least in the general population. Whoa! I can't believe you just said that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
On Jan 22, 2006, at 9:51 AM, Peter wrote:I agree with Judy. The TMO is usually not that excessive in its use of quantum physics metapohors, but there are individuals with rather concrete thinking that hvave blurred the metaphor/ experience distinction. Fromm a movement web site. There are entire papers on consciousness as the unified field.Discovery of the Unified Field of Natural LawDevelopments in modern science, in particular in Quantum Physics, have opened new perspectives for a unified understanding of Nature.Historically, the analysis of the microscopic structure of matter began with the idea that all substances are composed of tiny particles, like atoms and their subatomic constituents. With the development of Quantum Theory, however, physicists soon had to conclude that the classical particle picture is quite inadequate for the description of these constituents of matter, and realised that the different elementary particles have to be conceived as specific resonant excitations of fundamental quantum fields.Prior to the development of Unified Field Theories scientists had discovered a variety of separate quantum fields, such as the four force fields (of the electromagnetic, the weak, the strong, and the gravitational interactions) as well as the various matter fields. In the last few decades it was realised that with the progression towards finer distance scales an increasing unification of the Laws of Nature takes place so that previously separate quantum fields turn out to be merely different components of underlying unified quantum fields.This process of unification culminates in a complete unification at the level of the Planck scale (l0-33 cm) where all the various force and matter fields are unified into one single Unified Field of Natural Law -- the holistic transcendental field underlying all manifest creation.Properties of the Unified FieldThe fundamental properties of the Unified Field include the property of self-referral or self-interaction, which is reflected in the Lagrangian or fundamental mathematical formula quantifying the Laws of Nature at the level of the Unified Field.The Unified Field is the fountainhead of Natural Law, since all the Laws of Nature expressed in the effective field theories governing Physics at larger distance scales are already contained in seed form in the original super-symmetric Lagrangian of the Unified Field. Since it is the fountainhead of Natural Law, the Unified Field represents the most concentrated field of intelligence in Nature.Properties of ConsciousnessIt is striking how the properties of the Unified Field are precisely the attributes of consciousness. Consciousness alone is fully self-referral, since only consciousness has the ability to know itself in a completely self-sufficient manner. Moreover, consciousness in its self-referral state, Transcendental Consciousness, is the source of all mental activity and therefore a field of pure intelligence and infinite creative dynamism.Since the fundamental properties of the Unified Field are identical to those of consciousness in its self-referral state, it is natural to conclude that the Unified Field of Natural Law and the field of pure consciousness are equivalent. This is easily verified through Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation Technique, which opens human awareness to the direct experience of Transcendental Consciousness, pure consciousness, where consciousness is found identified with the Unified Field of all the Laws of Nature. During Maharishi's TM-Sidhi Programme all the subjective and objective qualities of creation are seen to emerge from the field of pure consciousness as modes of one's own self-referral intelligence.The Maharishi Technology of the Unified FieldThe Maharishi Technology of the Unified Field unites the knowledge of Natural Law discovered by the objective approach of modern science with the direct experience of Natural Law provided by the subjective approach of Maharishi's Vedic Science. It integrates the knowledge of the Unified Field brought to light by Quantum Physics with the subjective experience of the Unified Field gained through Transcendental Meditation. This integrated approach to knowledge enlivens the Unified Field in the awareness of the individual, bringing thought and action spontaneously into accordance with Natural Law, so that the individual enjoys the full support of all the Laws of Nature in every aspect of life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He only cites Chopra in the talk--which IMO means, by extension, the TMO. Does it? Chopra left the TMO quite a few years ago. What works of Chopra does he cite, and when were they published? On Jan 22, 2006, at 9:35 AM, authfriend wrote: I'm not sure the TMO has ever made the claims Wilber debunks, actually. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 9:51 AM, Peter wrote: I agree with Judy. The TMO is usually not that excessive in its use of quantum physics metapohors, but there are individuals with rather concrete thinking that hvave blurred the metaphor/ experience distinction. For the record, I didn't say anything about the TMO using quantum physics as a metaphor; that was Shemp. Fromm a movement web site. There are entire papers on consciousness as the unified field. Where do they make the claims that Wilber debunks? The claims listed in your previous post were: --Physics proves God; the Tao finds proof in quantum realities. --Your consciousness creates electrons. --Quantum vacuum potentials are unmanifest Spirit. --Understanding quantum mechanics means you're enlightened. I can't recall ever hearing any of these claims from the TMO. Discovery of the Unified Field of Natural Law Developments in modern science, in particular in Quantum Physics, have opened new perspectives for a unified understanding of Nature. Historically, the analysis of the microscopic structure of matter began with the idea that all substances are composed of tiny particles, like atoms and their subatomic constituents. With the development of Quantum Theory, however, physicists soon had to conclude that the classical particle picture is quite inadequate for the description of these constituents of matter, and realised that the different elementary particles have to be conceived as specific resonant excitations of fundamental quantum fields. Prior to the development of Unified Field Theories scientists had discovered a variety of separate quantum fields, such as the four force fields (of the electromagnetic, the weak, the strong, and the gravitational interactions) as well as the various matter fields. In the last few decades it was realised that with the progression towards finer distance scales an increasing unification of the Laws of Nature takes place so that previously separate quantum fields turn out to be merely different components of underlying unified quantum fields. This process of unification culminates in a complete unification at the level of the Planck scale (l0-33 cm) where all the various force and matter fields are unified into one single Unified Field of Natural Law -- the holistic transcendental field underlying all manifest creation.  Properties of the Unified Field The fundamental properties of the Unified Field include the property of self-referral or self-interaction, which is reflected in the Lagrangian or fundamental mathematical formula quantifying the Laws of Nature at the level of the Unified Field. The Unified Field is the fountainhead of Natural Law, since all the Laws of Nature expressed in the effective field theories governing Physics at larger distance scales are already contained in seed form in the original super-symmetric Lagrangian of the Unified Field. Since it is the fountainhead of Natural Law, the Unified Field represents the most concentrated field of intelligence in Nature. Properties of Consciousness It is striking how the properties of the Unified Field are precisely the attributes of consciousness. Consciousness alone is fully self- referral, since only consciousness has the ability to know itself in a completely self-sufficient manner. Moreover, consciousness in its self-referral state, Transcendental Consciousness, is the source of all mental activity and therefore a field of pure intelligence and infinite creative dynamism. Since the fundamental properties of the Unified Field are identical to those of consciousness in its self-referral state, it is natural to conclude that the Unified Field of Natural Law and the field of pure consciousness are equivalent. This is easily verified through Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation Technique, which opens human awareness to the direct experience of Transcendental Consciousness, pure consciousness, where consciousness is found identified with the Unified Field of all the Laws of Nature. During Maharishi's TM- Sidhi Programme all the subjective and objective qualities of creation are seen to emerge from the field of pure consciousness as modes of one's own self-referral intelligence. The Maharishi Technology of the Unified Field The Maharishi Technology of the Unified Field unites the knowledge of Natural Law discovered by the objective approach of modern science with the direct experience of Natural Law provided by the subjective approach of Maharishi's Vedic Science. It integrates the knowledge of the Unified Field brought to light by Quantum Physics with the subjective experience of the Unified Field gained through Transcendental
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
On Jan 22, 2006, at 10:42 AM, authfriend wrote:Where do they make the claims that Wilber debunks? The claims listed in your previous post were: --Physics proves God; the Tao finds proof in quantum realities. --Your consciousness creates electrons. --Quantum vacuum potentials are unmanifest Spirit. --Understanding quantum mechanics means you're enlightened. I can't recall ever hearing any of these claims from the TMO. The post was a brief summary of the 37 minute talk from Ken's web site.Of course if you don't *want* to see what he is talking about, you won't. It's pretty damn obvious to me. What might throw TM people off is that he does not use TM-speak to convey his ideas, but more generic, universal terminology. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
I have experienced many odd coincidences, that could be also explained as just coincidences. I however think I have too many of them and many of those really don't feel like a coincidences, even if some I see as such. For a few years ago I was participating a vedic recitation weekend course by the TMO in Estonia in Tallinn. When I was walking on Saturday morning from my hotel to the course place, I realized I don't have a notebook and on TM courses you don't have those available for the course participants. About five minutes later I saw in front of my feet on the pavement a notebook, picked it up and saw that it was unused and clean, and took it. Years ago, when my sons where 2 and 3 years old, and we lived in an apartment, a thought appeared that it would be good for the boys to spend the summer in the countryside. However at that time we had not enough money to hire a summer cottage. And so I dropped the idea. A week after that my husband's colleague at work asked him if he wants to hire a very cheap, but nice cottage, which he did. My husband did not know of my thoughts about a summer place. And we spent there many summers. It was the only time someone has offered us a summer cottage and the only occasion, we where in need of one. What the physical reality mechanism behind these occurrences is I don't know. Irmeli --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A common story told to us on TM-courses - was about the meditator that wished for an apple and suddenly the apple was in his hand. I have never experienced such a thing, but I think from my mind it is possible from the consciousness to create material things. Deepak Chopra has explained it in a rational way. Everything starts with a vibration who creates a sound which creates a form. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought that the connection that the TMO made to quantum physics was always just a cute little analogy and nothing more. Never took it seriously and I always hoped no one else would either. Beyond being an analogy and using the platform of quantum mechanics to serve as an illustration for how consicousness works, I never saw an actual connection between the working of the mind and consciousness and physics. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: File Under: TMO lies and marketing ploys; Boomeritis Hinduism; Pseudo- advaita Answers from biologist and physicist Ken Wilber. http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6 The first question has to do directly with the relation of modern quantum physics and spirituality. In effect, does physics prove God, does the Tao find proof in quantum realities? Answer: Categorically not. I don't know more confusion in the last thirty years than has come from quantum physics Ken goes on to outline the three major confusions that have dominated the popular (mis)understanding of the relationship of physics and mysticism. #1: Your consciousness does not create electrons. Unlike Newtonian physics, which can predict the location of large objects moving at slow speeds, quantum physics only offers a probability wave in which a given particle, like an electron, should show up. But here's the funny thing: it is only at the moment that one makes the measurement that the electron actually does show up. Certain writers and theorists have thus suggested that human intentionality actually creates reality on a quantum level. The most popular version of this idea can be found in the movie What the Bleep Do We Know?!, in which we qwaff reality into existence. Ken suggests this is both bad physics and bad mysticism. As for the former, in his book, Quantum Questions, Ken compiled the original writings of the 13 most important founders of modern quantum and relativistic physics, to explore their understanding of the relationship of physics and mysticism. Without exception, each one of them believed that modern physics does NOT prove spiritual realities in any fashion. And yet each of them was a mystic, not because of physics, but in spite of it. By pushing to the outer limits of their discipline, a feat which requires true genius, they found themselves face to face with those realities that physics categorically could not explain. Likewise, none of those founders of modern physics believed that the act of consciousness was responsible for creating particles at the quantum level. David Bohm did not believe that, Schroedinger did not believe that, Heisenberg did not believe that. That belief requires the enormous self-infatuation and narcissism, or boomeritis, of the
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 10:42 AM, authfriend wrote: Where do they make the claims that Wilber debunks? The claims listed in your previous post were: --Physics proves God; the Tao finds proof in quantum realities. --Your consciousness creates electrons. --Quantum vacuum potentials are unmanifest Spirit. --Understanding quantum mechanics means you're enlightened. I can't recall ever hearing any of these claims from the TMO. The post was a brief summary of the 37 minute talk from Ken's web site. Of course if you don't *want* to see what he is talking about, you won't. I have enormous respect for Wilber's thinking in this area; I've been citing him for years. His analyses have greatly clarified my own understanding. If he debunked a TM claim, his would be the last word, as far as I'm concerned. His introductory essay in Quantum Questions is extraordinarily lucid and tightly reasoned as to what can and cannot be said with reference to quantum mechanics and mysticism. It's pretty damn obvious to me. What might throw TM people off is that he does not use TM-speak to convey his ideas, but more generic, universal terminology. Actually the fact that Wilber uses more generic, universal terminology may be what's throwing *you* off. I suspect you're *assuming* that what he's saying debunks the TM claims, when in fact the TM claims are much more specific and nuanced--both in terms of MMY's teaching and of quantum mechanics--than what he's debunking. I could be wrong, but I'd need to see the evidence. Again, as you've posted them, the claims he debunks are not claims I've ever heard the TMO make. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
I have had the same experience many times - and without thinking what it is, I have used it as a technique for many years. If I really want something seriously, a job, need for money, whatever, I wish and forget - and the wishes is fullfilled in some way or another. I do not know the mechanisms, but it works. One of the strangest things that happened to me, was a winter day, when I walked in the city, and I realized that a yogi was walking with me, barefooted and without much cloths. He was very powerfull, and filled me with a lot of energy. Then he disappeared. When I came home, I found the letter from the TMOs lawyer threathen to sue me. If I should describe the Yogi. he looked like Tat Wala Baba - maybe Hanuman. I do not know. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have experienced many odd coincidences, that could be also explained as just coincidences. I however think I have too many of them and many of those really don't feel like a coincidences, even if some I see as such. For a few years ago I was participating a vedic recitation weekend course by the TMO in Estonia in Tallinn. When I was walking on Saturday morning from my hotel to the course place, I realized I don't have a notebook and on TM courses you don't have those available for the course participants. About five minutes later I saw in front of my feet on the pavement a notebook, picked it up and saw that it was unused and clean, and took it. Years ago, when my sons where 2 and 3 years old, and we lived in an apartment, a thought appeared that it would be good for the boys to spend the summer in the countryside. However at that time we had not enough money to hire a summer cottage. And so I dropped the idea. A week after that my husband's colleague at work asked him if he wants to hire a very cheap, but nice cottage, which he did. My husband did not know of my thoughts about a summer place. And we spent there many summers. It was the only time someone has offered us a summer cottage and the only occasion, we where in need of one. What the physical reality mechanism behind these occurrences is I don't know. Irmeli --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A common story told to us on TM-courses - was about the meditator that wished for an apple and suddenly the apple was in his hand. I have never experienced such a thing, but I think from my mind it is possible from the consciousness to create material things. Deepak Chopra has explained it in a rational way. Everything starts with a vibration who creates a sound which creates a form. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought that the connection that the TMO made to quantum physics was always just a cute little analogy and nothing more. Never took it seriously and I always hoped no one else would either. Beyond being an analogy and using the platform of quantum mechanics to serve as an illustration for how consicousness works, I never saw an actual connection between the working of the mind and consciousness and physics. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: File Under: TMO lies and marketing ploys; Boomeritis Hinduism; Pseudo- advaita Answers from biologist and physicist Ken Wilber. http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6 The first question has to do directly with the relation of modern quantum physics and spirituality. In effect, does physics prove God, does the Tao find proof in quantum realities? Answer: Categorically not. I don't know more confusion in the last thirty years than has come from quantum physics Ken goes on to outline the three major confusions that have dominated the popular (mis)understanding of the relationship of physics and mysticism. #1: Your consciousness does not create electrons. Unlike Newtonian physics, which can predict the location of large objects moving at slow speeds, quantum physics only offers a probability wave in which a given particle, like an electron, should show up. But here's the funny thing: it is only at the moment that one makes the measurement that the electron actually does show up. Certain writers and theorists have thus suggested that human intentionality actually creates reality on a quantum level. The most popular version of this idea can be found in the movie What the Bleep Do We Know?!, in which we qwaff reality into existence. Ken suggests this is both bad physics and bad mysticism. As for the former, in his book, Quantum Questions, Ken compiled the original writings of the 13 most
[FairfieldLife] Board of Supervisors agenda - Moratorium for Hog Factories
Title: Board of Supervisors agenda - Moratorium for Hog Factories Courthouse Building, 3rd floor If you can come to this historic meeting with the Bd of Supervisors on the MORATORIUM for FACTORY FARMS and LOCAL CONTROL, it would be very much appreciated. Please be there by 9:15am THIS MONDAY Jan 23. This is what we all have working for so diligently. We met with the BD last week and presented the Petition signed by 2000+ people for a Moratorium. This meeting is the follow up that we requested to ask them to approve a resolution requesting the State Legislature to pass a Moratorium and allow Local Control. The meeting should last less than a half an hour. It will be on the third floor of the County Courthouse. Hope to see you all there. PLEASE PASS THIS ON. Thanks!!! Robert JFAN To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Energol-Ma
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Energol-Ma
There's another brand available if you are interested with more active ingredients.It's made by Himalaya.On Jan 22, 2006, at 11:56 AM, Peter wrote:Hey! Energol-Ma? I lost your e-mail address To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about the technology of the Unified Field that TM and the TMSP is supposed to represent? I tried and I tried. I huffed and I puffed. But I couldn't ever, never grasp what the f the TMO meant by the technology of the Unified Field...other than, like I said, using it as an analogy for what was happening on the level of consciousness. Are you saying all of that was just a razzle dazzle marketing spiel? ...and when, pray tell, was anything that the TMO came up with anything but a marketing spiel? What did you think the Natural Law Party was...a real political party? It was a group of people from a cult who were instructed by their cult leader to do what was needed under election laws of the countries in which the NLP eventually appeared to go and create NLPs in each of those countries. Normal political parties have conventions and policy meetings at which they hash out platforms and policies...even if that happened with the NLP, the cult leader at the end of the day decided what would and wouldn't be the platform of the party. So it wasn't a real party at all but a marketing ploy...and a bad marketing ploy at that. Symbolic? Jungian archetypes of our collective unconsciousness? (LOL) Are you really telling me that TM and the TMSP is NOT a technology of the Unified Field? What about all those charts? Is John Hagelin a liar? gasp Everyone knows physicists don't lie. I almost voted for him! Or is it just another waking state artifact that Mahesh is attached to? On Jan 21, 2006, at 10:30 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: I always thought that the connection that the TMO made to quantum physics was always just a cute little analogy and nothing more. Never took it seriously and I always hoped no one else would either. Beyond being an analogy and using the platform of quantum mechanics to serve as an illustration for how consicousness works, I never saw an actual connection between the working of the mind and consciousness and physics. You guys might want to take this argument up with Sir Roger Penrose, Rouse Ball Professor of Mathematics, University of Oxford, one fo the most respected in his field, who (working with Stuart Hemmerof) is at the cutting edge in studying physics, neuroscience, and consiousness. His description is uncannily similar to the description Maharishi gives of how infinitessimally subtle impulses below the Planck scale, within the abstract and non-classical quantum field give rise to subtle thought in the brain and consequently the mind: QUOTE: Approaches to understanding consciousness which are based on known and experimentally observed neuroscience fail to explain certain critical aspects. These include a unitary sense of binding, non-computational aspects of conscious thinking, difference and transition between pre-conscious and conscious processing, (apparent) non-deterministic free will and the essential nature of our experience. We conclude that aspects of quantum theory (e.g. quantum coherence) and of a newly proposed physical phenomenon of wave function self-collapse (objective reduction, OR, Penrose, 1994) offer possible solutions to each of these problematic features. We further conclude that cytoskeletal microtubules, which regulate intra-neuronal activities and have cylindrical paracrystalline structure, are the best candidates for sites of quantum action and OR, and of orchestrated OR(Orch OR). Accordingly, we present a model of consciousness based on the following assumptions: Coherent excitations (Frounl;hlich pumped phonons) among microtubule subunits (tubulins) support cellular automaton information processing in both classical (conformational) and quantum coherent superposition modes. Classical processing correlates with non-conscious, autonomic activity; quantum processing correlates with pre-and sub-conscious activity. http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/penrose-hameroff/orchOR.html Pay particular attention to his coined phrase Orchistrated Objective Reduction. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:00:01 -0500 To: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Conversation: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth Subject: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth snip This strikes me as a strange group for the West. Unlike Thailand or India, we have no tradition here of directly supporting monks. And unlike the traditional monks like the Benedictines, aligned and supported by the Catholic church, these guys have to beg regularly to support their lifestyles, living in poverty, and for what? It seems like a very strange thing to put oneself through...building castles in the air. If they don't control all their own funds, I'd bet the movement makes a profit off them. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Energol-Ma
Do you have a link? --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's another brand available if you are interested with more active ingredients. It's made by Himalaya. On Jan 22, 2006, at 11:56 AM, Peter wrote: Hey! Energol-Ma? I lost your e-mail address __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: [nhnenews] Paula Zahn Now: 'Sex For Salvation?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments interleaved below. --- Irmeli Mattsson wrote: There is a little booklet written by a Finnish clergyman Raimo Mäkelä. He has been working for the Finnish Established Church. The title of the book would be in English something like : The healthy mind as a mask. It was published in 2001. In _Path of Light_, Robert Perry says that everyone wears a mask. He takes this teaching from the Course in Miracles. These masks conceal the scheming egomaniacs beneath, who live by taking from others. I see a strong parallel between the Course in Miracles view of the ego and the small-S self we discuss around here. It's an artificial construct that masks a universal consciousness. --- Peter wrote: I wonder how many of those who abuse their power by using others to gratify their own desires start out that way? Perhaps the temptation is so great and the resistance so low by the object' that it is near impossible to resist. I would think you'd have a hypothesis or two about this, based on your work. Just got that book, Patrick. :-) JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Quantum Consciousness / was The great lie of
From Stuart Hameroff, the collaborator on many of Penrose's papers on quantum consciousness: Roger Penrose (1989; 1994; 1996) has proposed that isolated quantum systems which avoid environmental decoherence will eventually reduce nonetheless due to an objective threshold (objective reduction - OR) related to an intrinsic feature of fundamental spacetime geometry (see below). Unlike the situation following environmental decoherence, outcome states which reduce due to Penrose's objective reduction are selected by a non-computable influence on the deterministic, pre-reduction quantum computation. Noncomputability implies a non-algorithmic process which is neither deterministic nor random, a property which Penrose (e.g. 1997) also attributes to conscious thought and understanding. This clue suggests that quantum computation with objective reduction may be somehow involved in consciousness According to the proposals put forth in the Orch OR model, microtubules seem to be well designed (perhaps ideally designed) quantum computers. http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/penrose- hameroff/quantumcomputation.html OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: File Under: TMO lies and marketing ploys; Boomeritis Hinduism; Pseudo- advaita Answers from biologist and physicist Ken Wilber. http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6 The first question has to do directly with the relation of modern quantum physics and spirituality. In effect, does physics prove God, does the Tao find proof in quantum realities? Answer: Categorically not. I don't know more confusion in the last thirty years than has come from quantum physics Ken goes on to outline the three major confusions that have dominated the popular (mis)understanding of the relationship of physics and mysticism. #1: Your consciousness does not create electrons. Unlike Newtonian physics, which can predict the location of large objects moving at slow speeds, quantum physics only offers a probability wave in which a given particle, like an electron, should show up. But here's the funny thing: it is only at the moment that one makes the measurement that the electron actually does show up. Certain writers and theorists have thus suggested that human intentionality actually creates reality on a quantum level. The most popular version of this idea can be found in the movie What the Bleep Do We Know?!, in which we qwaff reality into existence. Ken suggests this is both bad physics and bad mysticism. As for the former, in his book, Quantum Questions, Ken compiled the original writings of the 13 most important founders of modern quantum and relativistic physics, to explore their understanding of the relationship of physics and mysticism. Without exception, each one of them believed that modern physics does NOT prove spiritual realities in any fashion. And yet each of them was a mystic, not because of physics, but in spite of it. By pushing to the outer limits of their discipline, a feat which requires true genius, they found themselves face to face with those realities that physics categorically could not explain. Likewise, none of those founders of modern physics believed that the act of consciousness was responsible for creating particles at the quantum level. David Bohm did not believe that, Schroedinger did not believe that, Heisenberg did not believe that. That belief requires the enormous self-infatuation and narcissism, or boomeritis, of the post-modern ego, and Ken goes into the possible psychology behind all of that. #2: Quantum vacuum potentials are not unmanifest Spirit. The immediate problem with the notion that certain unmanifest or vacuum quantum realities give rise to the manifest world, and that the quantum vacuum is Spirit, is that it immediately presupposes a radically divided Spirit or Ultimate. There is Spirit over here, manifestation over there, and it's only through these quantum vacuum potentials that Spirit actualizes manifestationwith Spirit set apart from manifestation. Ken Wilber has the understanding of a child. It is embarrassing to read. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: File Under: TMO lies and marketing ploys; Boomeritis Hinduism; Pseudo-advaita Answers from biologist and physicist Ken Wilber. http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6 snip Ken Wilber has the understanding of a child. It is embarrassing to read. I'd want to hear what he actually said. Apparently this is a summary Vaj wrote. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: [nhnenews] Paula Zahn Now: 'Sex For Salvation?'
In _Path of Light_, Robert Perry says that everyone wears a mask. He takes this teaching from the Course in Miracles. Just got that book, Patrick. :-) JohnY Are you studying the Course, or thinking about it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Two Hindu Puns
Title: Two Hindu Puns Two Hindu Puns Two Hindu swamis were in conversation. One said to the other, How did you like my latest book, 'The Art of Levitation'? His companion replied, It kept me up all night. *** A Hindu devotee asked God, represented by the multi-armed Lord Narayana, this question. My dear Lord, he said. I understand that you have innumerable inconceivable potencies. But out of all of them the energy of light seems to be the most amazing. Light pervades the spiritual world, it illuminates the material universes, and life is impossible without it. He continued, I would like to know how you make it work. Oh, that's easy, was the reply. Many hands make light work. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Energol-Ma
I buy here:http://www.bdbazar.com/nshop/Here is the companies website with the product and links to their research:http://www.himalayahealthcare.com/products/tentex.htmHimalaya is an Ayurvedic pharmaceutical company that was taken over by Germans years ago. They are state of the art. We use a number of their products.On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:08 PM, Peter wrote:Do you have a link? --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's another brand available if you are interested with more active ingredients. It's made by Himalaya. On Jan 22, 2006, at 11:56 AM, Peter wrote: Hey! Energol-Ma? I lost your e-mail address To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:37 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: File Under: TMO lies and marketing ploys; Boomeritis Hinduism; Pseudo-advaita Answers from biologist and physicist Ken Wilber. http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6 snip Ken Wilber has the understanding of a child. It is embarrassing to read. I'd want to hear what he actually said. Apparently this is a summary Vaj wrote. sigh. No, it's from his website:http://in.integralinstitute.org/talk.aspx?id=549Judy, what do you believe the TMO means by "technology of the Unified Field" when referring to TM and the TMSP? Do you believe it *is* a "technology" for experiencing the unified field? Is Brahman the unified field?Do you believe consciousness is the unified field as Hagelin suggests?Are you familiar with the movement's search for the elusive "substance M" and what M. said about it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Brahmasthan?
on 1/21/06 8:54 AM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently the tallest building project is at 'Village Karaundi, Tahsil Sihora, District Katni, Madhya Pradesh'. I heard the project was dropped because the area is earthquake-prone. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:00:01 -0500 To: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Conversation: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth Subject: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth Late breaking news: Dear Friends, snip Purusha administrators will try to start putting us on airplanes, busses etc. by next weekend. snip Kinda has that, my mommy puts me on a bus every morning to go to school, feel about it, doesn't it? lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Energol-Ma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I buy here: http://www.bdbazar.com/nshop/ Here is the companies website with the product and links to their research: http://www.himalayahealthcare.com/products/tentex.htm Himalaya is an Ayurvedic pharmaceutical company that was taken over by Germans years ago. They are state of the art. We use a number of their products. IIRC, Energol-Ma contains mercury, and I see nothing in the ingredients of the above formula that indicates the presence of mercury. Is this formula without mercury or is it in there and simply not listed? Alex Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Energol-Ma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I buy here: http://www.bdbazar.com/nshop/ Here is the companies website with the product and links to their research: http://www.himalayahealthcare.com/products/tentex.htm Himalaya is an Ayurvedic pharmaceutical company that was taken over by Germans years ago. They are state of the art. We use a number of their products. IIRC, Energol-Ma contains mercury, and I see nothing in the ingredients of the above formula that indicates the presence of mercury. Is this formula without mercury or is it in there and simply not listed? Alex Ooops... never mind... Makaradhwaj is mercury. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Energol-Ma
On Jan 22, 2006, at 1:45 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I buy here: http://www.bdbazar.com/nshop/ Here is the companies website with the product and links to their research: http://www.himalayahealthcare.com/products/tentex.htm Himalaya is an Ayurvedic pharmaceutical company that was taken over by Germans years ago. They are state of the art. We use a number of their products. IIRC, Energol-Ma contains mercury, and I see nothing in the ingredients of the above formula that indicates the presence of mercury. Is this formula without mercury or is it in there and simply not listed? Makaradwaja is humanized mercuric-sulfide (with camphor, nutmeg and some other ingredients). I believe you can click on the link and it will tell you that. IIRC they use "siddha makaradwaj" the same as the Energol formula--although more mg's in the Himalaya formula. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth snip Purusha administrators will try to start putting us on airplanes, busses etc. by next weekend. snip Kinda has that, my mommy puts me on a bus every morning to go to school, feel about it, doesn't it? That -- combined with the stuff about still paying off his student loans and writing this whole letter in the hopes that someone will pay so that he can go to Holland and be close to Maharishi-ji -- just creeped me right out. The image I'm getting is of somebody whose parents sent him to MIU to get an education and be able to support himself, and instead he wound up depending on others to pay for everything and do everything for him ever since. The overall feeling I got was a sense of panic that it will all end and he'll have to live in the real world and will be completely incapable of doing so. Not a terribly great commercial for TM, is it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Energol-Ma
On Jan 22, 2006, at 1:49 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I buy here: http://www.bdbazar.com/nshop/ Here is the companies website with the product and links to their research: http://www.himalayahealthcare.com/products/tentex.htm Himalaya is an Ayurvedic pharmaceutical company that was taken over by Germans years ago. They are state of the art. We use a number of their products. IIRC, Energol-Ma contains mercury, and I see nothing in the ingredients of the above formula that indicates the presence of mercury. Is this formula without mercury or is it in there and simply not listed? AlexOoops... never mind... Makaradhwaj is mercury. Mercury alone is extremely poisonous. Sanskrit / Indian Name :MakardhwajEnglish Name :Sulphide of Mercury Makaradhwaj is a well-known inorganic preparation of the Ayurvedic Pharmacopoeia. Chemically, it is red sulphide of mercury and gold in uncombined form. It is a sublimed product made from pure mercury, sulphur and gold.Eight parts of mercury and one part of gold leaf are mixed together to form an amalgam. To this mixture 16 parts of sublimed sulphur are added and the resulting mixture is ground very thoroughly in a stone mortar for 24 hr. or more until the whole is converted to a lusterless, fine, impalpable powder of uniform consistence. This mixture is then placed in a narrow mouthed bottle and is gradually heated on a sand bath. On heating, the bottle is filled with reddish fumes of various hues. On cooling Makaradhvaja is found deposited in the inner surface of the neck of the bottle.It is seldom used alone. In the majority of cases, it is mixed with various drugs called ‘anupana’ or adjuvants. In cases of indigestion and diarrhea, Makaradhvaja is mixed with powdered bael fruit (Aegle marmelos); in cases of fever and cough it is given with the juices of ginger, betel (Piper betel) and tulsi leaves (Ocimum tenuiflorum). Generally, honey is used in the absence of proper adjuvants. The medicine can be used both for adults and children, the dosage being regulated according to age. Makaradhvaja, when taken regularly, is believed in indigenous systems of medicine to be a wonderful tonic and is said to increase longevity in a patient.A valuable tonic in debilitating conditions and convalescent patients after acute illness, in failing circulation and cardiac asthenia; it increases the red blood corpuscles and improves general nutritional status. It is also used as a laxative with good results particularly in those cases when there are visceroptosis and atonic conditions of the gastrointestinal tract. It is said to be of great value as an intestinal antiseptic and is supposed to relieve the gaseous distension of bowels due to fermentation. It is used widely as an alterative and an aphrodisiac.Used in Abana (HeartCare), Geriforte (GeriCare / StressCare), Tentex Forte (VigorCare for Men), Tentex forte Vet.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Energol-Ma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 1:49 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: Ooops... never mind... Makaradhwaj is mercury. Mercury alone is extremely poisonous. Personally, I don't even trust Ayurcedic mercury rasayana to not be poisonous to some degree. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:37 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: File Under: TMO lies and marketing ploys; Boomeritis Hinduism; Pseudo-advaita Answers from biologist and physicist Ken Wilber. http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6 snip Ken Wilber has the understanding of a child. It is embarrassing to read. I'd want to hear what he actually said. Apparently this is a summary Vaj wrote. sigh. ROTFL! No, it's from his website: Sorry, I thought you were saying that it was a summary you had written to excuse the fact that it didn't actually debunk any TM claims, i.e., that it didn't really represent the substance of his talk. http://in.integralinstitute.org/talk.aspx?id=549 Judy, what do you believe the TMO means by technology of the Unified Field when referring to TM and the TMSP? Do you believe it *is* a technology for experiencing the unified field? Is Brahman the unified field? A mental technology, sure. And yes, I think MMY uses unified field as a synonym for Brahman. I also think there may be some question as to whether MMY uses the term unified field in the same way physics does. Do you believe consciousness is the unified field as Hagelin suggests? I think he defines it as such, yes, but see the caveat above. In any case, belief isn't the issue. It does seem plausible to me that consciousness is primary and matter secondary, but of course that isn't a notion unique to MMY by any means. Are you familiar with the movement's search for the elusive substance M and what M. said about it? Is that the substance that was said to be found in the bloodstream of TMers and suggested to be Soma? If so, they were very excited about it at one point, but nothing ever happened with the research, as far as I'm aware. What does that have to do with quantum mechanics, exactly? I'm still interested to learn the dates of the works of Chopra that contained the premises you say Wilber was debunking (and therefore that those premises were automatically claims made by the TMO). Were you able to find out? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In _Path of Light_, Robert Perry says that everyone wears a mask. He takes this teaching from the Course in Miracles. Just got that book, Patrick. :-) JohnY Are you studying the Course, or thinking about it? Studying - one local group is 50% meditators. I've also had the opportunity to talk to Ken Wapnick a few times. CIM always stikes me as trancending through the intellect, sort of adviata in Christian terminology. Taught quite a few folks studying the course over the years. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you familiar with the movement's search for the elusive substance M and what M. said about it? Is that the substance that was said to be found in the bloodstream of TMers and suggested to be Soma? If so, they were very excited about it at one point, but nothing ever happened with the research, as far as I'm aware. What does that have to do with quantum mechanics, exactly? They spent a lot of time identifying a mysterious substance in the bloodstream of sidhas but not found in controls. Obviously it had to be related to soma or some such thing - I heard rumour that MMY talked about bottling it for instant E - but finally it was determined to be related to the metabolism of sesame oil - sidhas were just absorbing sesame oil through the skin. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:36 PM, authfriend wrote:Are you familiar with the movement's search for the elusive "substance M" and what M. said about it? Is that the substance that was said to be found in the bloodstream of TMers and suggested to be Soma? If so, they were very excited about it at one point, but nothing ever happened with the research, as far as I'm aware. What does that have to do with quantum mechanics, exactly?Yes, you surprise me. The suggestion originally was that M. believed there was a molecule created by consciousness during "yogic flying" at the "gap" between matter and consciousness. So the researchers began to look for it. I'm still interested to learn the dates of the works of Chopra that contained the premises you say Wilber was debunking (and therefore that those premises were automatically claims made by the TMO). Were you able to find out? You should listen yourself. It's not a research article listing specific works, etc., it's just a talk. It's on the fallacy behind unified field = consciousness, unified field = brahman, etc.--how it is being used incorrectly. Mahesh and crew of course aren't the only ones being referred to--Fritjof Capra certainly is included as well. However no one has used it as a sales ploy better than the TMO. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Quantum Consciousness / was The great lie of
Offworld : Roger Penrose (1989; 1994; 1996) has proposed that isolated quantum systems which avoid environmental decoherence will eventually reduce nonetheless due to an objective threshold (objective reduction - OR) related to an intrinsic feature of fundamental spacetime geometry (see below). Unlike the situation following environmental decoherence, outcome states which reduce due to Penrose's objective reduction are selected by a non-computable influence on the deterministic, pre-reduction quantum computation. Noncomputability implies a non-algorithmic process which is neither deterministic nor random, a property which Penrose (e.g. 1997) also attributes to conscious thought and understanding. This clue suggests that quantum computation with objective reduction may be somehow involved in consciousness According to the proposals put forth in the Orch OR model, microtubules seem to be well designed (perhaps ideally designed) quantum computers. Tom T: From the shiva sutras third awakening 24. When a yogi, after developing awareness of God Consciousness, transcends the state of Turiya, he enters into Transcendental God Consciousness. 25. Such a yogi becomes one with Shiva. 26. For him the austerity is nothing else than the normal routine of physical life. 27. And for such a yogi the daily routine talk becomes the recitation of real mantra. 28. Such a yogi gives as alms to humanity his own knowledge of the Self. 29. The yogi, who commands the entire wheel of cognitive and active organs, is the only means of attaining knowledge of Transcendental God Consciousness. 30. For him the whole universe is the totality of his own energies. 31. Living in this world of ignorance or remaining in the Transcendental God Consciousness is the totality of one's own energies of consciousness. 32. Such a yogi, though apparently engrossed in the daily routine of life, is in no way separated from God Consciousness. 33. Because such a yogi perceives the states of pain and pleasure only superficially, they, in no case, affect his state of Supreme-Being-Consciousness. 34. Hence he is liberated from the states of pain and pleasure and is uniquely established in his own nature. 35. On the contrary, the one who feels the absence of God Consciousness in the states of pain and pleasure, is an individual soul and a victim of recurring births and deaths. 36. The one who stands aloof from differentiatedness becomes the creator and destroyer of the entire universe. 37. The energy of creating and destroying the whole universe comes within the experience of such a yogi just as an ordinary soul possesses the power to create and destroy during his dreaming state. 38. The state of Turiya God Consciousness, that comes into experience in the beginning and at the end of the other three states (waking, dreaming, and deep sleep), should be infused and transmitted into these three states by firmly establishing one's own awareness during these intervals - beginning and end thereof. 39. And by developing such a process, a yogi must transmit the God Consciousness not only into the three states of individuality but into the entire universe. 40. By the slight appearance of individual desire, one is carried far away from the state of God Consciousness. 41. By firmly establishing one's own Self in the state of Turiya, all desires disappear and individuality is lost into universality. 42. Such a yogi is liberated in life and as his body still exists, his is called bhuta-kanchuki - having his physical body as a mere covering just like an ordinary blanket. Hence he is supreme and one with the universal Self. 43. After remaining in this state of universal Transcendental God Consciousness, the functions of inhalation and exhalation automatically take place with the object that this whole universe of action and cognition is united in God Consciousness. 44. When one contemplates on the center of Universal Consciousness, what else remains there to be sought in the practice of prana, apana, and sushumna? 45. When a Shiva-yogi is completely established in God Consciousness, he experiences this state spontaneously within and without or both. The End.. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had the same experience many times - and without thinking what it is, I have used it as a technique for many years. If I really want something seriously, a job, need for money, whatever, I wish and forget - and the wishes is fullfilled in some way or another. I do not know the mechanisms, but it works. One of the strangest things that happened to me, was a winter day, when I walked in the city, and I realized that a yogi was walking with me, barefooted and without much cloths. He was very powerfull, and filled me with a lot of energy. Then he disappeared. When I came home, I found the letter from the TMOs lawyer threathen to sue me. If I should describe the Yogi. he looked like Tat Wala Baba - maybe Hanuman. I do not know. Ingegerd I have had also similar experiences of feeling somebody's presence very near me. Earlier I could also sometimes see their physical form as a light body. I have become a grandmother a few months ago. My son and his wife kept the boy's name secret before the christening. I had not a clue, what his name will be. The day before the christening my mother called me in the morning and told me that she had seen a very vivid dream, that felt totally real. In the dream the boy had already a name and she told me what it was. The dream felt so real that my mother was quite certain it will be his name. The next day in the church, when I heard that the name my mother mentioned actually was given to the boy, I first felt stunned and then thrilled. Many people present tried to explain this as a coincidence or a good guess. I later calculated the likelihood of guessing right and it was not very big. I think that these kind of occurrences are much more common that the likelihood of coincidences would permit. Irmeli --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have experienced many odd coincidences, that could be also explained as just coincidences. I however think I have too many of them and many of those really don't feel like a coincidences, even if some I see as such. For a few years ago I was participating a vedic recitation weekend course by the TMO in Estonia in Tallinn. When I was walking on Saturday morning from my hotel to the course place, I realized I don't have a notebook and on TM courses you don't have those available for the course participants. About five minutes later I saw in front of my feet on the pavement a notebook, picked it up and saw that it was unused and clean, and took it. Years ago, when my sons where 2 and 3 years old, and we lived in an apartment, a thought appeared that it would be good for the boys to spend the summer in the countryside. However at that time we had not enough money to hire a summer cottage. And so I dropped the idea. A week after that my husband's colleague at work asked him if he wants to hire a very cheap, but nice cottage, which he did. My husband did not know of my thoughts about a summer place. And we spent there many summers. It was the only time someone has offered us a summer cottage and the only occasion, we where in need of one. What the physical reality mechanism behind these occurrences is I don't know. Irmeli --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A common story told to us on TM-courses - was about the meditator that wished for an apple and suddenly the apple was in his hand. I have never experienced such a thing, but I think from my mind it is possible from the consciousness to create material things. Deepak Chopra has explained it in a rational way. Everything starts with a vibration who creates a sound which creates a form. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought that the connection that the TMO made to quantum physics was always just a cute little analogy and nothing more. Never took it seriously and I always hoped no one else would either. Beyond being an analogy and using the platform of quantum mechanics to serve as an illustration for how consicousness works, I never saw an actual connection between the working of the mind and consciousness and physics. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: File Under: TMO lies and marketing ploys; Boomeritis Hinduism; Pseudo- advaita Answers from biologist and physicist Ken Wilber. http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6 The first question has to do directly with the relation of modern quantum physics and spirituality. In effect, does physics prove God, does the Tao find proof in quantum realities? Answer: Categorically
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
It is nice when these things happens - in a very natural way. I saw a perfect yantra in the gap between waking and dreaming state, with all the deities. I have been looking for it since in all places that sells yantras, but I have not found it yet. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had the same experience many times - and without thinking what it is, I have used it as a technique for many years. If I really want something seriously, a job, need for money, whatever, I wish and forget - and the wishes is fullfilled in some way or another. I do not know the mechanisms, but it works. One of the strangest things that happened to me, was a winter day, when I walked in the city, and I realized that a yogi was walking with me, barefooted and without much cloths. He was very powerfull, and filled me with a lot of energy. Then he disappeared. When I came home, I found the letter from the TMOs lawyer threathen to sue me. If I should describe the Yogi. he looked like Tat Wala Baba - maybe Hanuman. I do not know. Ingegerd I have had also similar experiences of feeling somebody's presence very near me. Earlier I could also sometimes see their physical form as a light body. I have become a grandmother a few months ago. My son and his wife kept the boy's name secret before the christening. I had not a clue, what his name will be. The day before the christening my mother called me in the morning and told me that she had seen a very vivid dream, that felt totally real. In the dream the boy had already a name and she told me what it was. The dream felt so real that my mother was quite certain it will be his name. The next day in the church, when I heard that the name my mother mentioned actually was given to the boy, I first felt stunned and then thrilled. Many people present tried to explain this as a coincidence or a good guess. I later calculated the likelihood of guessing right and it was not very big. I think that these kind of occurrences are much more common that the likelihood of coincidences would permit. Irmeli --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have experienced many odd coincidences, that could be also explained as just coincidences. I however think I have too many of them and many of those really don't feel like a coincidences, even if some I see as such. For a few years ago I was participating a vedic recitation weekend course by the TMO in Estonia in Tallinn. When I was walking on Saturday morning from my hotel to the course place, I realized I don't have a notebook and on TM courses you don't have those available for the course participants. About five minutes later I saw in front of my feet on the pavement a notebook, picked it up and saw that it was unused and clean, and took it. Years ago, when my sons where 2 and 3 years old, and we lived in an apartment, a thought appeared that it would be good for the boys to spend the summer in the countryside. However at that time we had not enough money to hire a summer cottage. And so I dropped the idea. A week after that my husband's colleague at work asked him if he wants to hire a very cheap, but nice cottage, which he did. My husband did not know of my thoughts about a summer place. And we spent there many summers. It was the only time someone has offered us a summer cottage and the only occasion, we where in need of one. What the physical reality mechanism behind these occurrences is I don't know. Irmeli --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A common story told to us on TM-courses - was about the meditator that wished for an apple and suddenly the apple was in his hand. I have never experienced such a thing, but I think from my mind it is possible from the consciousness to create material things. Deepak Chopra has explained it in a rational way. Everything starts with a vibration who creates a sound which creates a form. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought that the connection that the TMO made to quantum physics was always just a cute little analogy and nothing more. Never took it seriously and I always hoped no one else would either. Beyond being an analogy and using the platform of quantum mechanics to serve as an illustration for how consicousness works, I never saw an actual connection between the working of the mind and consciousness and physics. --- In
Re: [FairfieldLife] Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
Rick Archer wrote: From: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:00:01 -0500 To: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Conversation: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth Subject: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth Late breaking news: Dear Friends, We just had a meeting this afternoon regarding our departure from The Spiritual Center of America in North Carolina. We will divide into three groups: one will go somewhere in the US, probably Livingston Manor; one will go to Holland; and one will go to the Brahmastan of India. We will all be out of the SCA by the end of the month. Purusha administrators will try to start putting us on airplanes, busses etc. by next weekend. Thank you for your help with my ³new² computer and other bills. I bought a used Mac Mini from one of my Purusha brothers. I love it, but the monitor is a bit heavy. Hopefully I¹ll be able to take it. The airlines only allow 50 lbs. per bag these days for international travel. The computer is paid off and most of my dental work has been paid for. The only major bill I have left is my student loans. Once those are paid off I will be debt-free...for a while anyway, hopefully. Our Purusha Fellowship program ends Feb. 1st, so now I have to pay off my loans. I¹ve been working on them over the years, so it¹s not terrible. I owe a total of $700. Also, estimated travel to Europe is about $650. I put my name on the list for Holland as I would like to be in the physical proximity of Maharishi-ji as much as possible at this time. If you would like to help the group with travel expenses, you may take a look at www.purusha.org for the different ways of contributing. If you put my name as the ³Inspirer of the donation² it will be helpful. If you would like to help me with my student loans you can sent a check to me at my address here. I will give a forwarding address to the post office before I leave. My address is: Michael Jansen Suite 419 639 Whispering Hills Road Boone, NC 28607 It will be sad to leave this beautiful place, but the people who bought a lot of the land from the Kaplans have already started putting roads through the property. The main road is on the ridge across the valley. Soon these buildings will be looking at the windows of very large homes over there and I don¹t think the feeling will be quite the same any more. There will also be roads running through the valley linking the main road on the south ridge with other main roads in the area. I took a 2.5 hour walk yesterday to check everything out. It¹s a very large project that is going in over there on the south ridge with very wide roads, unlike ours here at the SCA. Maybe it¹s time to leave. We probably don¹t even want to see what is going to happen to our beautiful home here. I¹ll let you know if there are any more changes. Continue on in bliss!...and thanks again for your very generous help. Jai Guru Dev Michael :) He should have ditched the monitor which since heavy is a CRT and get a LCD screen. But if one is traveling a lot a notebook is a better choice. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:36 PM, authfriend wrote: Are you familiar with the movement's search for the elusive substance M and what M. said about it? Is that the substance that was said to be found in the bloodstream of TMers and suggested to be Soma? If so, they were very excited about it at one point, but nothing ever happened with the research, as far as I'm aware. What does that have to do with quantum mechanics, exactly? Yes, you surprise me. The suggestion originally was that M. believed there was a molecule created by consciousness during yogic flying at the gap between matter and consciousness. So the researchers began to look for it. Aaand...what does that have to do with quantum mechanics, exactly? I'm still interested to learn the dates of the works of Chopra that contained the premises you say Wilber was debunking (and therefore that those premises were automatically claims made by the TMO). Were you able to find out? You should listen yourself. It's not a research article listing specific works, etc., it's just a talk. It's on the fallacy behind unified field = consciousness, unified field = brahman, etc.--how it is being used incorrectly. Mahesh and crew of course aren't the only ones being referred to--Fritjof Capra certainly is included as well. However no one has used it as a sales ploy better than the TMO. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum Consciousness / was The great lie of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . 44. When one contemplates on the center of Universal Consciousness, what else remains there to be sought in the practice of prana, apana, and sushumna? That's rather interesting. The original Sanskrit seems to go like this: naasikaantarmadhyasaMyamaatkimatra savyaapasavyasauSumneSu There seems not to be any tricky sandhis, there. Perhaps for instance: naasika(nose?)-antar-(interior?)-madhya-(middle)- saMyamaat(like in many siddhis suutras: from sanyama)kim(what)atra (here) savya-(left=iiDa-naaDi?)-apasavya(right= pin.gala-naaDi?)-sauSumneSu(suSumna-naaDii; can't figure out, why the vRddhi-derivative-form, that is sau- instead of su-) The semi-literal meaning of the first part might thus be for instance: When one performs sanyama on the interior middle of ones nose... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
In a message dated 1/22/06 1:00:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That -- combined with the stuff about still paying off his student loans and writing this whole letter in the hopes that someone will pay so that he can go to Holland and "be close to Maharishi-ji" -- justcreeped me right out. The image I'm getting is ofsomebody whose parents sent him to MIU to get aneducation and be able to support himself, and insteadhe wound up depending on others to pay for everything and do everything for him ever since. The overallfeeling I got was a sense of panic that it will all end and he'll have to live in the real world and will be completely incapable of doing so. Very Very Sad. Never contributed anything to S.S. and will never receive any either. Hope he/they will have some kind of inheritance. What are they going to do when they are too old to do anything including support themsleves and the TMO has collapsed or can't take care of them? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/22/06 1:00:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That -- combined with the stuff about still paying off his student loans and writing this whole letter in the hopes that someone will pay so that he can go to Holland and be close to Maharishi-ji -- just creeped me right out. The image I'm getting is of somebody whose parents sent him to MIU to get an education and be able to support himself, and instead he wound up depending on others to pay for everything and do everything for him ever since. The overall feeling I got was a sense of panic that it will all end and he'll have to live in the real world and will be completely incapable of doing so. Very Very Sad. Never contributed anything to S.S. and will never receive any either. Hope he/they will have some kind of inheritance. What are they going to do when they are too old to do anything including support themsleves and the TMO has collapsed or can't take care of them? ** SSI is available to anybody low-income at age 65, and they need only have worked 40 quarters, which nearly everybody qualifies for: http://permanent.access.gpo.gov/lps4345/11001.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/22/06 1:00:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That -- combined with the stuff about still paying off his student loans and writing this whole letter in the hopes that someone will pay so that he can go to Holland and be close to Maharishi-ji -- just creeped me right out. The image I'm getting is of somebody whose parents sent him to MIU to get an education and be able to support himself, and instead he wound up depending on others to pay for everything and do everything for him ever since. The overall feeling I got was a sense of panic that it will all end and he'll have to live in the real world and will be completely incapable of doing so. Very Very Sad. Never contributed anything to S.S. and will never receive any either. Hope he/they will have some kind of inheritance. What are they going to do when they are too old to do anything including support themsleves and the TMO has collapsed or can't take care of them? ** Any U.S. citizen who is low/no income qualifies for SSI at age 65, regardless of work history/pay-ins to Social Security. Anybody who is a permanent legal resident (not a U.S. citizen) qualifies for SSI with only 40 quarters of Social Security pay-in work history: http://permanent.access.gpo.gov/lps4345/11001.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:36 PM, authfriend wrote: I'm still interested to learn the dates of the works of Chopra that contained the premises you say Wilber was debunking (and therefore that those premises were automatically claims made by the TMO). Were you able to find out? You should listen yourself. It's not a research article listing specific works, etc., it's just a talk. It's on the fallacy behind unified field = consciousness, unified field = brahman, etc.--how it is being used incorrectly. OK, I've listened to it, and I think you need to listen to it again. The fallacy Wilber is talking about doesn't have anything to do with TM's claims. Perhaps you also need to review what TM claims, for that matter. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
In a message dated 1/22/06 4:21:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any U.S. citizen who is low/no income qualifies for SSI at age 65, regardless of work history/pay-ins to Social Security. Anybody who is a permanent legal resident (not a U.S. citizen) qualifies for SSI with only 40 quarters of Social Security pay-in work history: No wonder the system is going broke. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
How do you know these things? You're just making stuff up. Where is the sense of panic you describe? The truth is that you've got the idea that everyone on Purusha is a sponger and a baby, and so you automatically read that into this letter. You're as predictable as the TBs you so regularly denounce. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth snip Purusha administrators will try to start putting us on airplanes, busses etc. by next weekend. snip Kinda has that, my mommy puts me on a bus every morning to go to school, feel about it, doesn't it? That -- combined with the stuff about still paying off his student loans and writing this whole letter in the hopes that someone will pay so that he can go to Holland and be close to Maharishi-ji -- just creeped me right out. The image I'm getting is of somebody whose parents sent him to MIU to get an education and be able to support himself, and instead he wound up depending on others to pay for everything and do everything for him ever since. The overall feeling I got was a sense of panic that it will all end and he'll have to live in the real world and will be completely incapable of doing so. Not a terribly great commercial for TM, is it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you know these things? I don't; I merely reported how this letter made me feel. You're just making stuff up. No, I merely reported how this letter made me feel. I suspect many people here felt the same way. Where is the sense of panic you describe? Right there between the lines. :-) The truth is that you've got the idea that everyone on Purusha is a sponger and a baby... Not everyone, but certainly this turkey. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Energol-Ma
Vaj How much do you pay for these products? DO they come from overseas or are they shipped from within the U.S. Would you, uh, be able to talk about the effectiveness of this product here in FFLife? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I buy here: http://www.bdbazar.com/nshop/ Here is the companies website with the product and links to their research: http://www.himalayahealthcare.com/products/tentex.htm Himalaya is an Ayurvedic pharmaceutical company that was taken over by Germans years ago. They are state of the art. We use a number of their products. On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:08 PM, Peter wrote: Do you have a link? --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's another brand available if you are interested with more active ingredients. It's made by Himalaya. On Jan 22, 2006, at 11:56 AM, Peter wrote: Hey! Energol-Ma? I lost your e-mail address Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Evangelical Christianity
did you see that special by Barbara Walters on heaven? She interviewed people from the Muslim faith and evangelical christians and they both thought that only their group would go to heaven. What is with this idea? It sounds like Hitler's white supremacy all over again. It is really scary to think that people with decent intellects could believe that they are a select supreme group. On top of that idea, they seem to beleive that it is their duty to spread the word. Can anyone really psychoanalyze what goes on in the mind with this? Maybe we are a bit like this too!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Evangelical Christianity
did you see that special by Barbara Walters on heaven? She interviewed people from the Muslim faith and evangelical christians and they both thought that only their group would go to heaven. What is with this idea? It sounds like Hitler's white supremacy all over again. It is really scary to think that people with decent intellects could believe that they are a select supreme group. On top of that idea, they seem to beleive that it is their duty to spread the word. Can anyone really psychoanalyze what goes on in the mind with this? Maybe we are a bit like this too!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Course in Miracles (was Sex For Salvation)
--- jyouells2000 wrote: CIM always stikes me as trancending through the intellect, sort of adviata in Christian terminology. Perry describes the Course as like a verbal symphony. A theme comes in and changes shape, them another theme picks up and starts developing, then a third them comes up... Then you find yourself revisiting the first theme, only it's morphed into somethign that dovetails where the previous theme left off. Hardly anything the intellect can understand, which I guess is why it lets go and you transcend. But this is only what I've heard. I've only read *about* it. I haven't read the actual Course. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you know these things? I don't; I merely reported how this letter made me feel. You're just making stuff up. No, I merely reported how this letter made me feel. I suspect many people here felt the same way. Where is the sense of panic you describe? Right there between the lines. :-) The truth is that you've got the idea that everyone on Purusha is a sponger and a baby... Not everyone, but certainly this turkey. :-) Of course it isn't everyone. But you're close, Barry. And if you had more contact with the TMO and all things TM than you have had over the past 20 years you would know that you aren't too far off the mark. There are two types of people on purusha: 1) Those that are living off of trust funds or inheritances. And since, thankfully, Purusha is not THAT expensive, if you've inherited $200,000-300,000 (certainly NOT out of the range of what one would inherit in this day and age in America), you can pay your monthly cost of Purusha and even have a little tuck money budgeted for candy bars and new socks when you can go to town once a month. 2) Those that don't have trust funds or inheritances. And they are the stereotypical turkey that you describe above. AND, Barry, if, like I said, you were closer to the TMO all these years, you would know from first-hand experience that this is so because you would be solicited every other month from one or another Purusha asking you to help them meet their monthly Purusha cost. I suspect that the vast majority of Purusha fall under the latter category. And, yeah, I concede that out of the 300-400 people on Purusha there may be 3 or 4 under a third category (but I doubt it's that high): self-made individuals who actually worked for a living between TTC and going on Purusha and are actually paying their own way through Purusha from their own savings... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Evangelical Christianity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did you see that special by Barbara Walters on heaven? She interviewed people from the Muslim faith and evangelical christians and they both thought that only their group would go to heaven. What is with this idea? It sounds like Hitler's white supremacy all over again. It is really scary to think that people with decent intellects could believe that they are a select supreme group. On top of that idea, they seem to beleive that it is their duty to spread the word. Can anyone really psychoanalyze what goes on in the mind with this? Maybe we are a bit like this too!! There are some people in the TMO like that, for sure. However, it has been my experience that they are few and far between. Thankfully. Whenever I meet born-again Christians who start to prostelitize me, I ask them right up front: Do you believe that unless I accept Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior that I will rot in hell for all eternity? If they answer yes I tell them that I don't believe that they are Christians and that they do not follow Christ and have nothing to do with them...I go on to tell them that it is MY belief they serve the other guy, not Christ. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Energol-Ma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey! Energol-Ma? I lost your e-mail address And may we ask why? Lost your love groove? And its your non-ego that seeks more and greater sexual satisfaction? Or is it Atman? Or Brahman? Or poor limp peter? Does limp peter have an ego? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Evangelical Christianity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did you see that special by Barbara Walters on heaven? She interviewed people from the Muslim faith and evangelical christians and they both thought that only their group would go to heaven. What is with this idea? It sounds like Hitler's white supremacy all over again. It is really scary to think that people with decent intellects could believe that they are a select supreme group. On top of that idea, they seem to beleive that it is their duty to spread the word. Can anyone really psychoanalyze what goes on in the mind with this? Maybe we are a bit like this too!! Fundamentalism that believes such things is the greatest ignorance of humankind. It will die out in the 21st centuryor humans will. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you familiar with the movement's search for the elusive substance M and what M. said about it? Is that the substance that was said to be found in the bloodstream of TMers and suggested to be Soma? If so, they were very excited about it at one point, but nothing ever happened with the research, as far as I'm aware. What does that have to do with quantum mechanics, exactly? They spent a lot of time identifying a mysterious substance in the bloodstream of sidhas but not found in controls. Obviously it had to be related to soma or some such thing - I heard rumour that MMY talked about bottling it for instant E Thats revealing. - but finally it was determined to be related to the metabolism of sesame oil -sidhas were just absorbing sesame oil through the skin. Even more revealing -- given above. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/22/06 4:21:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any U.S. citizen who is low/no income qualifies for SSI at age 65, regardless of work history/pay-ins to Social Security. Anybody who is a permanent legal resident (not a U.S. citizen) qualifies for SSI with only 40 quarters of Social Security pay-in work history: No wonder the system is going broke. http://tinyurl.com/beblz Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Energol-Ma
On Jan 22, 2006, at 5:51 PM, anonyff wrote:Vaj How much do you pay for these products? DO they come from overseas or are they shipped from within the U.S. Would you, uh, be able to talk about the effectiveness of this product here in FFLife? I haven't used Energol in a while, but it does what it claims to do and is of excellent manufacture IMO--like all of the MAPI products I've tried. It comes from an anonymous source. IIRC they were about 50 cents a pill.Also I should point out that while energol is marketed as a sex aid, it is also primarily useful for meditators as a meditation aid. One of the reasons Purusha used so much at one time was obviously NOT for their sex lives. M. had pointed out that during yogic flying the ojas can dry up and this product will stir up the fluids which support yogic flying (sorry I can't remember precisely how he said it). And this is true, they are used in a number of traditions for their effects on kundalini. The higher forms of makaradhwaja are used specifically for flying and other siddhis. They are also used for various long life rasayana meditation practices which work with bring this form of prana into the centermost part of being. Some take them in the coldest months of the year (they tend to increase the fire element) for longevity and immunity. As an example, Swami Muktananda had a number of very accomplished alchemists which provided him with the energy resources to be able to give shaktipat to hundreds of people. It also definitely has a refining effect on breath and also on settling the mind. Good makaradhwaja is coated with gold-leaf. On ingestion you immediately feel a buoncy and like your spine is filling with prana--you sit up straight and meditation comes very easily. The increased ojas also tends to attract people who will sometimes even walk up and just want to talk to you or be near you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
On Jan 22, 2006, at 4:46 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:36 PM, authfriend wrote: Are you familiar with the movement's search for the elusive "substance M" and what M. said about it? Is that the substance that was said to be found in the bloodstream of TMers and suggested to be Soma? If so, they were very excited about it at one point, but nothing ever happened with the research, as far as I'm aware. What does that have to do with quantum mechanics, exactly? Yes, you surprise me. The suggestion originally was that M. believed there was a molecule created by consciousness during "yogic flying" at the "gap" between matter and consciousness. So the researchers began to look for it. Aaand...what does that have to do with quantum mechanics, exactly? It has to do with the idea that you could produce a molecule out of the unified field: bodily soma. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
On Jan 22, 2006, at 5:20 PM, authfriend wrote:OK, I've listened to it, and I think you need to listen to it again. The fallacy Wilber is talking about doesn't have anything to do with TM's claims. Perhaps you also need to review what TM claims, for that matter. No that's all right, it's pretty clear to me. For example he says in regard to the popular movie "What the Bleep" which prominently features John Hagelin making some typical but rather wild (TMO type) claims:"For example "What the Bleep Do we Know", I would say that more or less every actual assertion they make about physical realities, meaning "quantum realities" and their relationship to spiritual reality is categorically FALSE."It's also interesting your statement "And yes, I think MMY uses "unified field" as a synonym for Brahman." direcly contradicts what Wilber says--Wilber emphatically states that the unified field is NOT brahman. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
on 1/22/06 6:30 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, yeah, I concede that out of the 300-400 people on Purusha there may be 3 or 4 under a third category (but I doubt it's that high): self-made individuals who actually worked for a living between TTC and going on Purusha and are actually paying their own way through Purusha from their own savings... There are also a few guys who have figured out ways to support themselves while on Purusha, some quite comfortably. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Course in Miracles (was Sex For Salvation)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jyouells2000 wrote: CIM always stikes me as trancending through the intellect, sort of adviata in Christian terminology. Perry describes the Course as like a verbal symphony. A theme comes in and changes shape, them another theme picks up and starts developing, then a third them comes up... Then you find yourself revisiting the first theme, only it's morphed into somethign that dovetails where the previous theme left off. Hardly anything the intellect can understand, which I guess is why it lets go and you transcend. But this is only what I've heard. I've only read *about* it. I haven't read the actual Course. The text is quite beautiful, and demands great focus. It introduces many startling ideas that arise out of the ruthless application of the knowlege of the separation of the Self from the relative. Shakes the foundations of the intellect. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/22/06 4:21:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any U.S. citizen who is low/no income qualifies for SSI at age 65, regardless of work history/pay-ins to Social Security. Anybody who is a permanent legal resident (not a U.S. citizen) qualifies for SSI with only 40 quarters of Social Security pay-in work history: No wonder the system is going broke. The system cannot and will not go broke. Why? Because the government holds the right to tax...AND raise the amount of SS contributions anytime they damn well please. So they can fund the program fully any time it appears to be faltering. It may interest you to know that at the time that FDR pushed SS into law back in 1935 there was a big hue and cry from many quarters. At the time, the contribution into SS was about 1.5%. Roosevelt promised it would NEVER, EVER go up. Well, today, the combined employee/employer SS contribution is 12.4%! Of course it won't go broke! Those bastards in Washington will just keep raising the contribution amount! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/22/06 6:30 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, yeah, I concede that out of the 300-400 people on Purusha may be 3 or 4 under a third category (but I doubt it's that high): self-made individuals who actually worked for a living between TTC and going on Purusha and are actually paying their own way through Purusha from their own savings... There are also a few guys who have figured out ways to support themselves while on Purusha, some quite comfortably. Just out of curiosity, how? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness
Are you familiar with the movement's search for the elusive substance M and what M. said about it? Is that the substance that was said to be found in the bloodstream of TMers and suggested to be Soma? If so, they were very excited about it at one point, but nothing ever happened with the research, as far as I'm aware. What does that have to do with quantum mechanics, exactly? They spent a lot of time identifying a mysterious substance in the bloodstream of sidhas but not found in controls. Obviously it had to be related to soma or some such thing - I heard rumour that MMY talked about bottling it for instant E Thats revealing. It's what he's been selling to Westerners for years. Do nothing (except give us some money) and accom- plish everything. :-) What's more revealing to me is *assuming* that some substance would appear in the bloodstream of sidhas that wouldn't be there in lesser humans and then assigning scientists to find it. It's elitism driving science, in the same ballpark as white supremacy science, seeking to find the genetic reasons for the obvious truth that whites are more intelligent than other races. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha's descent from Heavenly Mountain unto Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The truth is that you've got the idea that everyone on Purusha is a sponger and a baby... Not everyone, but certainly this turkey. :-) Of course it isn't everyone. But you're close, Barry. And if you had more contact with the TMO and all things TM than you have had over the past 20 years you would know that you aren't too far off the mark. I knew enough of these guys during my time with the TMO to know what they're like. The vibe is unmis- takable. There are two types of people on purusha: 1) Those that are living off of trust funds or inheritances. And since, thankfully, Purusha is not THAT expensive, if you've inherited $200,000-300,000 (certainly NOT out of the range of what one would inherit in this day and age in America), you can pay your monthly cost of Purusha and even have a little tuck money budgeted for candy bars and new socks when you can go to town once a month. Nothing wrong with this, if what you want out of life is to sit in a room with your eyes closed most of your life. At least they're paying for it themselves. 2) Those that don't have trust funds or inheritances. And they are the stereotypical turkey that you describe above. Well, you don't really have to look very far to find the MODEL for this behavior, do you? I mean, what could be clearer? It's Maharishi himself. The guy has turned begging and just assuming that other people should pay for his life into an artform. He's become a billionaire by doing this. AND, Barry, if, like I said, you were closer to the TMO all these years, you would know from first-hand experience that this is so because you would be solicited every other month from one or another Purusha asking you to help them meet their monthly Purusha cost. The thing that's fascinating to me is the trickle- down craziness involved with this. It's not just a case of some lazy fucks realizing that there is an easy way to avoid working, and that it's called begging. That's just one side of the phenomenon and of the conditioning. The other side of the conditioning is seen in the *sponsors*, the people who have been taught that there is some *benefit* to themselves that accrues when they pay so that these guys and gals never have to work. It's a remarkably symbiotic relationship; one side of the equation couldn't exist without the other. I know that a lot of people here and in spiritual trips in general just assume that this is all a given, and that it's always worked this way -- people who have chosen a full-time spiritual career being supported by those who have money and have chosen a more householder path. I'm challenging the very *idea* because I really believe that it's a *bad* idea, and that most of the problems that one can find in *any* spiritual tradition spring from this assumption, and from this practice. Historically, the spiritual traditions in which the monks or clergy pay their own way in life, and are *not* supported by the rank and file members of the organization, seem to me to be much cleaner and spiritually healthier. Just *think* about it for a moment -- it's one of the biggest scams in human history. In almost every era and in every tradition, all that you had to do to avoid getting a job like everybody else was to claim to be spiritual and get other people to pay so that you could be spiritual full time. I'm open to the possibility that many of these full-time teachers might have done a few nice things for the world, but when you look at it objectively, it's really quite amazing that no one really challenges the status quo of this whole scene and questions it. The meme of the rank-and-file rabble paying for the lives of the spiritual elite is that taken for granted, that ingrained in the collective consciousness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Correct order?? (N=55)
(1,2,3) maitryaadishhu balaani .. 23.. (4) baleshhu hastibalaadiini .. 24.. (5) kuurmanaaDyaa.n sthairyam.h .. 31.. (6?)pravR^ittyaalokanyaasaat.h suukshmavyavahitaviprakR^ishhTaGYaanam.h .. 25.. (7) bhuvanaGYaana.n suurye sa.nyamaat.h .. 26.. (8) chandre taaraavyuuhaGYaanam.h .. 27.. (9) dhruve tadgatiGYaanam.h .. 28.. (10) kaNThakuupe kshutpipaasaanivR^ittiH .. 30.. (11) naabhichakre kaayavyuuhaGYaanam.h .. 29.. (12?) sattvapurushhayoratyantaasa.nkiirNayoH pratyayaavisheshho bhogaH paraarthatvaat.h svaarthasa.nyamaat.h purushhaGYaanam.h .. 35.. (13?)praatibhaad.h vaa sarvam.h .. 33.. (14 - 18)tataH praatibhashraavaNavedanaadarshaasvaadavaartaa jaayante .. 36.. (YF) kaayaakaashayoH sa.nbandhasa.nyamaal laghutuulasamaapatteshchaakaashagamanam.h .. 42.. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
