[FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped Americans must not allow the destruction of scientific research published in respected peer-reviewed journals around the world to block the policies needed to avert catastrophic world problems. Our future is at stake. June 30, 2008 | Conservatives put on a spectacular display of scientific ignorance this month on FFL. During the debate on physics, science, and mind, most Anti-TM posters questioned the reality of peer-reviewed research published in respected peer-reviewed journals around the world, and repeated the talking point that science must only be given credence if they agree with the outcomes of it. It was as if they had been locked in an isolation booth for the past decade. From: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/182304 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/182304 OffWorld Hey Offworld, good to hear you are into science based understanding. Will you join me in calling for John Hagelin to hand back his PHD after all his distortions of quantum physics simply for the sales purposes of MMYs products? Have you even seen 'the physics of flying' or QP and jyotish? He's even doing it with SV now! All he's doing is sowing comfusion in the minds of the ignorant in claiming that all of MMYs stuff has some sort of empirical justification. It doesn't, because science hasn't progressed anywhere near far enough for Hagelin to justify his claims. Jeez, scientists don't even know how gravity works or even why things have mass and JH claims to have finished Einstiens work! The man is a fraud Offworld, let's expose him. It's a clever MO, he takes a bunch of vaguely familiar concepts that you may have heard of, like supersymmetry or string theory or quantum gravity, a few pages of irrelevant maths and weaves a tale of how it all fits in with vedic teachings and explains even how having a house face east gives you benefits due to quantum alignment of symmetrical superparticle proton alignment. Misrepresentation like this should be illegal, it's at least as bad as Intelligent design what do you say. shall we start a petition?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped Americans must not allow the destruction of scientific research published in respected peer-reviewed journals around the world to block the policies needed to avert catastrophic world problems. Our future is at stake. June 30, 2008 | Conservatives put on a spectacular display of scientific ignorance this month on FFL. During the debate on physics, science, and mind, most Anti-TM posters questioned the reality of peer-reviewed research published in respected peer-reviewed journals around the world, and repeated the talking point that science must only be given credence if they agree with the outcomes of it. It was as if they had been locked in an isolation booth for the past decade. From: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/182304 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/182304 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/182304 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/182304 OffWorld Hey Offworld, good to hear you are into science based understanding. Will you join me in calling for John Hagelin to hand back his PHD after all his distortions of quantum physics simply for the sales purposes of MMYs products? Yes, if you can provide proof of your ridiculous, laughable, and fanatical claims. John Hagelin could easily have been on a very high salery if he had not been with Maharishi. Have you even seen 'the physics of flying' or QP and jyotish? The physics of flying is entirely mainstream physics, and levitation due to super-conductor properties is even investigated by the US and other governments in different ways, but the same basic concept. A coherent system of energy can act independently of less coherent systems. This is basic and well accepted science. Hagalin merely points this out, and asks why would you draw the line for such coherence outside the human brain? C'mon Hugo, answer the question. What science do you use to limit the effects of coherence within an energy system such that you censure the human brain and body from such laws of physics, and then criminalize the laws of nature as you are trying to do, and outlaw them with a bounty on their head if they be found inside the bounds of the human body? Jyotish I have issues with, so where is your citation of your claim of what he says? Cite it please, or do something more useful with your life. Go to Africa, help the children. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
One shouldn't underestimate what the US government can do to organizations it deems suspicious. Why do you suppose MMY could not stay in the USA, particularly in Fairfield? IMO, the IRS was probably trying to 'get' him for tax evasion based on income earned by TMOs. That's why MMY decided to leave the US and reside in the Netherlands. In the past, the IRS and another US agency teamed up to put Rajneesh in jail for tax evasion and immigration fraud. Thus, Rajneesh took flight from his Oregon commune for safe haven in India. More recently, the government has been successful in shutting down Muslim organizations that are suspected of contributing cash to militant groups in the Middle East. In light of the 911 incident, many Americans tend to accept this aggressive scrutiny, even if the methods appear to violate the US Constitution. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: This message might invite more scrutiny by the CIA of TMO's intentions aside from spreading vedic knowledge. I think the CIA will have worked out a long time ago that the TMO is more than capable of messing things up without external assistance. Any agents sent to infiltrate the movement with a view to obstructing it must have the cushiest job on the planet. You can imagine the reports they've been sending back to their controllers;- March : Successfully persuaded Maharishi to raise the prices to a level no one can afford. This will cut off their supply of funds. April : Successfully convinced Maharishi to send out a press release praising all the nutcase dictators in the world. This will further reduce their credibility. May : Convinced Maharishi to excommunicate the best teachers on the grounds that if people see that no one is safe then they'll be more controllable. June : Convinced Maharishi to close all teaching centers that don't have east facing entrances and prevent teachers who don't live in houses with east facing entrances from teaching. This will reduce the number of teaching centers by 90%. July : Convinced Maharishi that the reputation of the movement will be raised if teachers can only teach people of their own sex. Though of course that just makes the TMO look like a bunch of closet pedophiles, sex fiends and weirdos. August : Convinced Maharishi that people should wear pantomime hats as that would make the public more respectful. September : Oh what the hell I've had enough of this they don't need any encouragement to be nutcases. This is boring, please can I have a more interesting job working undercover in North-West Pakistan.
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Mugabe and others
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There seems to be quite a lot of head whirling going on over M's support for a lot of extremely nasty dictators. The simple fact is that M seemed to use one criterion only for supporting a head of state, do they support us?. In Mugabe's cases he had promised land for a new meditation center, probably thinking it was a tourist hotel near Victoria Falls. Like most dictators, Mugabe most likely believes that he is the only person that can save his country and people from suffering and political chaos. So, he is more receptive to any methods that can accelerate the improvement of his country--in particular the TMO's formula of success. However, there is a more pragmatic and devious motive to all of Mugabe's actions. It is obviously to maintain his power in the country for fear that he might be killed by his own people for violation of human rights and looting the government coffers for his own personal gain. Thus, we see the man to be driven with such lust to win the presidential election, even if it's obvious to everyone and the world that the entire process is a farce. Similarly with Marcoses in the Philippines, they were searching for a way to control violent unrest and heard about how the ME was supposed to help, so Imelda gave some support and we went there and embarrassed the hell out of everyone, as we always do. (It was a great 4 months though!) The same statements above can apply to the Marcoses. The Philippine government has been plagued by greedy politicians in the past and even today. It will take a very long time to eradicate the systemic corruption in the entire government. The country needs a metamorphosis in order to elevate its own level of consciousness. As such, the people can understand the self-defeating practices of graft and corruption in all levels of government and business affairs. IMO, all third world nations and developing countries have this difficult task of improving their society from the individual to the government level. Education is one key factor to teach the people. But it is not enough. The education must include a way to increase the collective level consciousness of the people. JR If Bush and Blair had offered to build a peace palace somewhere then everything would have been forgiven and they'd have been praised to the sky. Maharishi was never hot on ethics, utility was always the be all and end all. Couple that with the fact that authoritarian dictators can steal land from people and give it away to some group that promises to relieve them of their troubles and you've got a perfect partnership. The TMO promises to subdue a restless population through the ME, and the dictator buys into it because they're running out of bullets and friends. It looks like a cheap way to stay in power, but of course it never is because the ME doesn't work. The only reason these unpleasant people were ever supported was because they had, or might have, or suggested that they might get around to it someday, given some material help to the TMO. The motto of the TMO is Utility before Ethics
[FairfieldLife] Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
Yesterday evening I had dinner in Barcelona with some friends, and then caught the last train back to Sitges. So there I was, at midnight, sitting on a Spanish train rereading Philip K. Dick's Hugo Award-winning novel The Man in the High Castle, and I got to thinking how much of what he was saying in it reminded me of FFL, and some of the things said here. The novel is an alternative future, in which Germany and Japan won World War II, and so there are some musings in it about the German character and the German mentality. You know them -- the ones that drove them to eradicate Jews and other non-Aryans and try to rule the world and make it over into the idealized image they had of it in their minds, the image they assumed came from God, and that came only to them, because they alone were godly. Then I got home and spent a few minutes scanning FFL, and watching Off melt down and find a reason to condemn almost everyone in the universe except himself, and find ways to excuse Maharishi for backing insane dictators. I saw him claim that Maharishi had said that Hitler was near enlight- enment, and remembered hearing Maharishi saying that myself. Then I thought about Judy and some of the other TM TBs on this forum, and the kinds of things they say about their fellow seekers and their fellow man, as if they didn't really CONSIDER these other people their fellow man, but something *lesser*, something foul and in the way of the realization of their greater vision for what the world could be. And then I read Dick Mays' mindless reposting of the latest mindless blurb about Vastu, and Doug's mindful satire about the Global Committee for Safety and Purity of the Teaching, Vigilantes for the Age of Enlightenment, and remembered the times in the TM movement when such things were NOT satire, but everyday reality. And then I read some more of Off's meltdown, and rants by other people who still believe, after all these years, that they can control the weather and stock markets and, basically, control all of the things they don't like in the world just by *willing* the things they don't like to just GO AWAY, and I sat amazed at the levels of insanity I was reading, and shook my head and decided to go to bed. But then I decided to reread one last passage from PKD before drifting off to sleep. In it, he has one of his characters ponder the mentality of the Germans who started World War II (and who, in this novel, won it, and shortly thereafter exterminated not only the Jews, but pretty much anyone else on the planet they felt superior to, including almost all of Africa). This was written in 1962, Philip K. Dick in the mind of one of his characters, pondering, trying to get a handle on the insanity he saw in the WWII-era German mind. I think that his insights are still relevant, and somewhat applicable to the insanity of modern-day spiritual True Believers: But, Baynes thought, what does it mean, insane? A legal definition. What do I mean? I feel it, see it, but what is it? He thought, It is something they do, something they are. It is -- their unconsciousness. Their lack of knowledge about others. Their not being aware of what they do to others, the destruction they have caused and are causing. No, he thought. That isn't it. I don't know; I sense it, intuit it. But -- they are purposely cruel . . . is that it? No. God, he thought. I can't find it, make it clear. Do they ignore parts of reality? Yes. But it is more. It is their plans. Yes, their plans. The conquering of the planets. Something fren- zied and demented, as was their conquering of Africa, and before that, Europe and Asia. Their view; it is cosmic. Not of a man here, a child there, but air abstraction: race, land, Volk. Land. Blut. Ehre. Not of honorable men but of Ehre itself, honor; the abstract is real, the actual is invisible to them. Die Gute, the here, the now, into the vast deep beyond, the unchanging. And that is fatal to life. Because even- tually there will be no life; there was once only the dust particles in space, the hot hydrogen gases, nothing more, and it will come again. This is an interval, ein Augenblick. The cosmic process is hurrying on, crushing life back into the granite and methane; the wheel turns for all life. It is all temporary. And they -- these madmen -- respond to the granite, the dust, the longing of the inamimate; they want to aid Nature. And, he thought, I know why. They want to be the agents, not the victims, of history. They identify with God's power and believe they are godlike. That is their basic madness. They are overcome by some archtype; their egos have expanded psychotically so that they cannot tell where they begin and the godhead leaves off. It is not hubris, not pride; it is the inflation of the ego to its ultimate -- confusion between him who worships and that which is worshipped. Man has not eaten God; God has eaten man.
[FairfieldLife] And Now... Competitive Restful Alertness
This is cool! - a ball game based on brain waves where the most relaxed opponent (=alpha/theta waves measurement) gets to triumph. A sort of tug of war between relaxees. http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/06/30/mindball_videogame/ http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/06/30/mindball_videogame/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quite agree, I heard a good argument against John McCain along these lines: If he believes in Intelligent Design as an alternative to natural selection, he must be so bad at judging evidence that how can you trust him to evaluate global warming or AIDS research. Err... Is that really your template for a good argument? Heavens above! Try substituting: McCain Newton ID Alchemy Natural selection Chemistry Aids etc Gravity
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
Turq, many years ago when I was an MIU student I read this novel and that exact same paragraph jumped out at me and helped me understand what was wrong with MMY and the TMO. It was the idea of the lived reality over the actual lived reality. Carl Jung also spoke about this after he visited the USA and spoke with some Navajo elders. These elders told him that the White man thought up here and pointed to their head instead of thinking here, pointing to their heart. Jung saw it as the neurosis of modern man. Lost in a world of idealized concepts that destroy the lived reality of those very same concepts. --- On Tue, 7/1/08, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 4:49 AM Yesterday evening I had dinner in Barcelona with some friends, and then caught the last train back to Sitges. So there I was, at midnight, sitting on a Spanish train rereading Philip K. Dick's Hugo Award-winning novel The Man in the High Castle, and I got to thinking how much of what he was saying in it reminded me of FFL, and some of the things said here. The novel is an alternative future, in which Germany and Japan won World War II, and so there are some musings in it about the German character and the German mentality. You know them -- the ones that drove them to eradicate Jews and other non-Aryans and try to rule the world and make it over into the idealized image they had of it in their minds, the image they assumed came from God, and that came only to them, because they alone were godly. Then I got home and spent a few minutes scanning FFL, and watching Off melt down and find a reason to condemn almost everyone in the universe except himself, and find ways to excuse Maharishi for backing insane dictators. I saw him claim that Maharishi had said that Hitler was near enlight- enment, and remembered hearing Maharishi saying that myself. Then I thought about Judy and some of the other TM TBs on this forum, and the kinds of things they say about their fellow seekers and their fellow man, as if they didn't really CONSIDER these other people their fellow man, but something *lesser*, something foul and in the way of the realization of their greater vision for what the world could be. And then I read Dick Mays' mindless reposting of the latest mindless blurb about Vastu, and Doug's mindful satire about the Global Committee for Safety and Purity of the Teaching, Vigilantes for the Age of Enlightenment, and remembered the times in the TM movement when such things were NOT satire, but everyday reality. And then I read some more of Off's meltdown, and rants by other people who still believe, after all these years, that they can control the weather and stock markets and, basically, control all of the things they don't like in the world just by *willing* the things they don't like to just GO AWAY, and I sat amazed at the levels of insanity I was reading, and shook my head and decided to go to bed. But then I decided to reread one last passage from PKD before drifting off to sleep. In it, he has one of his characters ponder the mentality of the Germans who started World War II (and who, in this novel, won it, and shortly thereafter exterminated not only the Jews, but pretty much anyone else on the planet they felt superior to, including almost all of Africa). This was written in 1962, Philip K. Dick in the mind of one of his characters, pondering, trying to get a handle on the insanity he saw in the WWII-era German mind. I think that his insights are still relevant, and somewhat applicable to the insanity of modern-day spiritual True Believers: But, Baynes thought, what does it mean, insane? A legal definition. What do I mean? I feel it, see it, but what is it? He thought, It is something they do, something they are. It is -- their unconsciousness. Their lack of knowledge about others. Their not being aware of what they do to others, the destruction they have caused and are causing. No, he thought. That isn't it. I don't know; I sense it, intuit it. But -- they are purposely cruel . . . is that it? No. God, he thought. I can't find it, make it clear. Do they ignore parts of reality? Yes. But it is more. It is their plans. Yes, their plans. The conquering of the planets. Something fren- zied and demented, as was their conquering of Africa, and before that, Europe and Asia. Their view; it is cosmic. Not of a man here, a child there, but air abstraction: race, land, Volk. Land. Blut. Ehre. Not of honorable men but of Ehre itself, honor; the abstract is real, the actual is invisible to them. Die Gute, the here, the now, into the vast deep beyond, the unchanging. And that is fatal to life. Because even- tually there will be no life; there
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turq, many years ago when I was an MIU student I read this novel and that exact same paragraph jumped out at me and helped me understand what was wrong with MMY and the TMO. Fascinating synchronicity. It was the idea of the lived reality over the actual lived reality. Exactly. And a lack of respect for the lived reality. Carl Jung also spoke about this after he visited the USA and spoke with some Navajo elders. These elders told him that the White man thought up here and pointed to their head instead of thinking here, pointing to their heart. Jung saw it as the neurosis of modern man. Lost in a world of idealized concepts that destroy the lived reality of those very same concepts. Yup. It's a fascinating summer re-read for me, going back and reading Philip K. Dick 40 years after I last read him. As Brian Aldiss said, the fascinating thing is that if you reread some of the writers who were more famous than PKD at the time, like Heinlein and Clarke and Asimov, today their writings seem dated and cliched. But when you read Philip today, it feels as if he is describing today. In fact, he's still ahead of us. His fellow writers loved him because, even though he had many Class-A spiritual experiences himself, he never lowered himself to searching out some already-written dogma or spiritual trip to explain them. He preferred to just deal with his own experiences and try to figure them out as best he could, without trying to turn them into either dogma or prosyletyzing. Since that's pretty much my approach at this point in my life, it's fascinating to rediscover a kindred soul who was doing this same thing back in the days when I'd already settled for the prepackaged explanations provided by Maharishi and the TMO. And now, over 40 years later, I pick up his book and find that he was ahead of me then, and still is now. It's a humbling experience, but the good kind of humbling. --- On Tue, 7/1/08, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 4:49 AM Yesterday evening I had dinner in Barcelona with some friends, and then caught the last train back to Sitges. So there I was, at midnight, sitting on a Spanish train rereading Philip K. Dick's Hugo Award-winning novel The Man in the High Castle, and I got to thinking how much of what he was saying in it reminded me of FFL, and some of the things said here. The novel is an alternative future, in which Germany and Japan won World War II, and so there are some musings in it about the German character and the German mentality. You know them -- the ones that drove them to eradicate Jews and other non-Aryans and try to rule the world and make it over into the idealized image they had of it in their minds, the image they assumed came from God, and that came only to them, because they alone were godly. Then I got home and spent a few minutes scanning FFL, and watching Off melt down and find a reason to condemn almost everyone in the universe except himself, and find ways to excuse Maharishi for backing insane dictators. I saw him claim that Maharishi had said that Hitler was near enlight- enment, and remembered hearing Maharishi saying that myself. Then I thought about Judy and some of the other TM TBs on this forum, and the kinds of things they say about their fellow seekers and their fellow man, as if they didn't really CONSIDER these other people their fellow man, but something *lesser*, something foul and in the way of the realization of their greater vision for what the world could be. And then I read Dick Mays' mindless reposting of the latest mindless blurb about Vastu, and Doug's mindful satire about the Global Committee for Safety and Purity of the Teaching, Vigilantes for the Age of Enlightenment, and remembered the times in the TM movement when such things were NOT satire, but everyday reality. And then I read some more of Off's meltdown, and rants by other people who still believe, after all these years, that they can control the weather and stock markets and, basically, control all of the things they don't like in the world just by *willing* the things they don't like to just GO AWAY, and I sat amazed at the levels of insanity I was reading, and shook my head and decided to go to bed. But then I decided to reread one last passage from PKD before drifting off to sleep. In it, he has one of his characters ponder the mentality of the Germans who started World War II (and who, in this novel, won it, and shortly thereafter exterminated not only the Jews, but pretty much anyone else on the planet they felt superior to, including
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of off_world_beings Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:58 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe And Maharishi, when he saw a peace button on Goearge Harrison's lapel, asked him what it was. After the explanation, M. said if your really want peace, build a bigger bomb. And what do you think he meant by 'bomb' you dumb-worm-excuse-for-a-man? He meant bomb, as in Atomic. He said this at the Amherst SCI Symposium in front of General Davis, and persisted in emphasizing the point throughout a prolonged audience outcry.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:20 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe One shouldn't underestimate what the US government can do to organizations it deems suspicious. Why do you suppose MMY could not stay in the USA, particularly in Fairfield? IMO, the IRS was probably trying to 'get' him for tax evasion based on income earned by TMOs. That's why MMY decided to leave the US and reside in the Netherlands. It was also because Robin Carlson had served him with a subpoena and Lenny Goldman had to fend off the sheriff sent to deliver it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
On Jun 30, 2008, at 10:56 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped Americans must not allow the destruction of scientific research published in respected peer-reviewed journals around the world to block the policies needed to avert catastrophic world problems. Our future is at stake. June 30, 2008 | Conservatives put on a spectacular display of scientific ignorance this month on FFL. During the debate on physics, science, and mind, most Anti-TM posters questioned the reality of peer-reviewed research published in respected peer- reviewed journals around the world, and repeated the talking point that science must only be given credence if they agree with the outcomes of it. It was as if they had been locked in an isolation booth for the past decade. From: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/182304 That's why it might be a good idea for you to review the Univ. of Alberta a study on meditation research and the recent medical reviews on TM research which shows it's really just bad science. After decades of attempting research, they're still putting out pilot studies and exaggerating insignificant findings and ignoring obvious bias issues. Then you wouldn't make the mistake of assuming TM research--even that which happens to find it's way accidentally into a journal--is really science worth listening to. That's the nice thing about science, we can use legitimate science to weed out the pseudo-scientific, then we know what to avoid.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
On Jun 30, 2008, at 2:13 PM, Hugo wrote: Oh deary deary me! You couldn't make it up could you. I guess it takes one megalomaniac to recognize another!
[FairfieldLife] magic mushrooms revisited
Timothy Leary was on the right track - provide the right supportive
conditions and the experiences are safe, meanigful and lasting...
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-07/jhmi-seo062608.php
Spiritual effects of hallucinogens persist,
Johns Hopkins researchers report
Related report gives safety guidelines for hallucinogen research
In a follow-up to research showing that psilocybin, a substance
contained in sacred mushrooms, produces substantial spiritual
effects, a Johns Hopkins team reports that those beneficial effects
appear to last more than a year.
Writing in the Journal of Psychopharmacology, the Johns Hopkins
researchers note that most of the 36 volunteer subjects given
psilocybin, under controlled conditions in a Hopkins study published
in 2006, continued to say 14 months later that the experience
increased their sense of well-being or life satisfaction.
Most of the volunteers looked back on their experience up to 14
months later and rated it as the most, or one of the five most,
personally meaningful and spiritually significant of their lives,
says lead investigator Roland Griffiths, Ph.D., a professor in the
Johns Hopkins departments of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences and
Neuroscience.
In a related paper, also published in the Journal of
Psychopharmacology, researchers offer recommendations for conducting
this type of research.
The guidelines caution against giving hallucinogens to people at risk
for psychosis or certain other serious mental disorders. Detailed
guidance is also provided for preparing participants and providing
psychological support during and after the hallucinogen experience.
These best practices contribute both to safety and to the
standardization called for in human research.
With appropriately screened and prepared individuals, under
supportive conditions and with adequate supervision, hallucinogens
can be given with a level of safety that compares favorably with many
human research and medical procedures, says that paper's lead
author, Mathew W. Johnson, Ph.D., a psychopharmacologist and
instructor in the Johns Hopkins Department of Psychiatry and
Behavioral Sciences.
The two reports follow a 2006 study published in another journal,
Psychopharmacology, in which 60 percent of a group of 36 healthy,
well-educated volunteers with active spiritual lives reported having
a full mystical experience after taking psilocybin. {See
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/Press_releases/2006/07_11_06.html}
Psilocybin, a plant alkaloid, exerts its influence on some of the
same brain receptors that respond to the neurotransmitter serotonin.
Mushrooms containing psilocybin have been used in some cultures for
hundreds of years or more for religious, divinatory and healing
purposes.
Fourteen months later, Griffiths re-administered the questionnaires
used in the first study -- along with a specially designed set of
follow up questions -- to all 36 subjects. Results showed that about
the same proportion of the volunteers ranked their experience in the
study as the single most, or one of the five most, personally
meaningful or spiritually significant events of their lives and
regarded it as having increased their sense of well-being or life
satisfaction.
This is a truly remarkable finding, Griffiths says. Rarely in
psychological research do we see such persistently positive reports
from a single event in the laboratory. This gives credence to the
claims that the mystical-type experiences some people have during
hallucinogen sessions may help patients suffering from cancer-related
anxiety or depression and may serve as a potential treatment for drug
dependence. We're eager to move ahead with that research.
Griffiths also notes that, while some of our subjects reported
strong fear or anxiety for a portion of their day-long psilocybin
sessions, none reported any lingering harmful effects, and we didn't
observe any clinical evidence of harm.
The research team cautions that if hallucinogens are used in less
well supervised settings, the possible fear or anxiety responses
could lead to harmful behaviors.
###
These studies were funded by grants from NIDA, the Council on
Spiritual Practices, and the Heffter Research Institute.
Additional researchers who contributed to this work include Matthew
W. Johnson, Ph.D. and Una D. McCann, M.D. of the Department of
Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Johns Hopkins University School
of Medicine; psychologist William A. Richards of the Johns Hopkins
Bayview Medical Center; and Robert Jesse of the Council on Spiritual
Practices, San Francisco.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
On Jun 30, 2008, at 9:02 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Yea Rick, why the fuck didn't you put the date on this ancient announcement of Maharishi's from years ago? Real low-life manipulation on your part. OffWorld The Ved is beyond time, so it's OK, don't worry.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
Contrary to Off World's accusation, I did not post the New World Order of Peace proclamation intending to mislead people into thinking it was a recent document. If you read it, Professor Tony Nader M.D, Ph.D. is listed as the contact. Obviously that dates it by many years. I don't know when it was released, but the following link indicates that the Internet Archive first indexed it in January of 2001. http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.maharishi.no/_miki/nyheter/int/Celeb rNewWorldOrderofPeace.html http://web.archive.org/web/*/http:/www.maharishi.no/_miki/nyheter/int/Celeb rNewWorldOrderofPeace.html I don't think that even then, any sensible person thought that Mugabe was a good guy. While I agree with many of Off's points about the horrible things the US has done to deserve its notoriety, I think the New World Order of Peace is relevant to FFL as it reveals a lot about MMY's tactics and the ethics that motivated them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here it is still on a TMO website: http://www.maharishi.no/_miki/nyheter/int/CelebrNewWorldOrderofPeace.html It's still up! My God these people must have shit for brains. Oh well they're just begging for it to be re-circulated to the media, so hey ho ...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Maharishi University of Management, Holland Celebrates the Dawn of a New World Order of Peace -the Rise of Perfection in World Politics and Economy Four Nations Identified as Embodying the Cardinal Qualities of an Ideal State An Historic Day of Great Celebration for the World Today, Maharishi University of Management celebrates the dawn of a New World Order of Peace, as demonstrated by the invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba, the freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, My God! Anybody who agrees that Mugabe represents 'freedom' is one sick fuck. That fact that the official TMO apparently put out this notice is just another blatant indication that the whole thing is an unconscionable perversion of spiritual teaching beyond the pale. It was an ancient announcement by Maharishi who congratulated every leader up until about 2002 or so when he pummelled Bush and Blair, the two headed dog. But you and the other dopes here fell for Rick's deliberate manipulation. Haven't you noticed...Fidel Castro in not in power right now. Apart from that, a lot of people thought Mugabe was a good guy in the beginning. Bullshit. Mugabe has been a tyrant and a killer since at least 1980. ---Mugabe rose to prominence in the 1960s as the Secretary general of the Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU). For many years in the 60s and 70s Mugabe was a political prisoner in Rhodesia. His goal was to replace white minority-rule with one-party Marxist regime.[2] He left Rhodesia in 1976 to join the Zimbabwe Liberation Struggle (Rhodesian Bush War) from bases in Mozambique. The war ended in 1979; emerging from this conflict, Mugabe was hailed by Africans as a hero.[3][4] He won the general elections of 1980, the first in which the majority black Africans participated, amid reports of violent intimidation by the militant freedom fighters he now controlled. Mugabe then became the first Prime Minister of black-ruled Zimbabwe after calling for reconciliation between formerly warring parties, including the white people as well as rival parties. The early years of Mugabe's rule saw killings targeting the Ndebele tribe in the Matabeleland and Midlands areas of Zimbabwe. Since 1998 Mugabe's policies have increasingly elicited domestic and international denunciation. His government pursued a costly intervention in the Second Congo War, expropriated thousands of white-owned farms, printed hundreds of trillions of Zimbabwean dollars triggering hyperinflation,[5] and has been accused of harassing and intimidating political opponents, particularly members of the Movement for Democratic Change.[6] Zimbabwe's economy spiraled downward,[7] with food and oil shortages,[8] and with massive internal displacement[9] and emigration.[10] During this period Mugabe's policies have been denounced in the West and at home as racist against Zimbabwe's white minority. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe He's been a real disappointment to many people in the world who had high hopes. But a lot of his beef has been with the corporate controlled greed of the the US and EU, and if you put Mugabe or Castro next to the International crimes that Bush , who Blair are ACTUALLY ON THE WANTED LIST, the likes of Castro pale to insignificance compared to the crimes of the US and EU (in most countries around the world it is actually legal for a citizen to arrest any of the Bush administration at this point if they travel abroad. This is a fact) OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:02 AM, do.rflex wrote: Bullshit. Mugabe has been a tyrant and a killer since at least 1980. ---Mugabe rose to prominence in the 1960s as the Secretary general of the Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU). For many years in the 60s and 70s Mugabe was a political prisoner in Rhodesia. His goal was to replace white minority-rule with one-party Marxist regime.[2] He left Rhodesia in 1976 to join the Zimbabwe Liberation Struggle (Rhodesian Bush War) from bases in Mozambique. The war ended in 1979; emerging from this conflict, Mugabe was hailed by Africans as a hero.[3][4] He won the general elections of 1980, the first in which the majority black Africans participated, amid reports of violent intimidation by the militant freedom fighters he now controlled. Mugabe then became the first Prime Minister of black-ruled Zimbabwe after calling for reconciliation between formerly warring parties, including the white people as well as rival parties. The early years of Mugabe's rule saw killings targeting the Ndebele tribe in the Matabeleland and Midlands areas of Zimbabwe. Since 1998 Mugabe's policies have increasingly elicited domestic and international denunciation. His government pursued a costly intervention in the Second Congo War, expropriated thousands of white-owned farms, printed hundreds of trillions of Zimbabwean dollars triggering hyperinflation,[5] and has been accused of harassing and intimidating political opponents, particularly members of the Movement for Democratic Change.[6] Zimbabwe's economy spiraled downward,[7] with food and oil shortages,[8] and with massive internal displacement[9] and emigration.[10] During this period Mugabe's policies have been denounced in the West and at home as racist against Zimbabwe's white minority. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe I'll never forget a couple of years ago a picture I saw in the newspaper of a slain Brit. expat. farmer lying dead--with his Jack Russell Terrier who survived, cuddled up next to his masters dead body. Vigilantes, jealous of the white farmers went in and killed many of the farmers or forced them to flee with the idea to take over their farms and supposedly the money they were making. The people ended up being so uneducated they didn't even know how to operate the farms and now the farms have been taken over by ovegrowth. Such appalling ignorance.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Maharishi University of Management, Holland Celebrates the Dawn of a New World Order of Peace -the Rise of Perfection in World Politics and Economy Four Nations Identified as Embodying the Cardinal Qualities of an Ideal State An Historic Day of Great Celebration for the World Today, Maharishi University of Management celebrates the dawn of a New World Order of Peace, as demonstrated by the invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba, the freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, My God! Anybody who agrees that Mugabe represents 'freedom' is one sick fuck. That fact that the official TMO apparently put out this notice is just another blatant indication that the whole thing is an unconscionable perversion of spiritual teaching beyond the pale. It was an ancient announcement by Maharishi who congratulated every leader up until about 2002 or so when he pummelled Bush and Blair, the two headed dog. But you and the other dopes here fell for Rick's deliberate manipulation. Haven't you noticed...Fidel Castro in not in power right now. Apart from that, a lot of people thought Mugabe was a good guy in the beginning. Baloney! Mugabe's been a tyrant and a killer since at least 1980. Mugabe won the general elections of 1980, the first in which the majority black Africans participated, amid reports of violent intimidation by the militant freedom fighters he now controlled... The early years of Mugabe's rule saw killings targeting the Ndebele tribe in the Matabeleland and Midlands areas of Zimbabwe. Since 1998 Mugabe's policies have increasingly elicited domestic and international denunciation. His government pursued a costly intervention in the Second Congo War, expropriated thousands of white-owned farms, printed hundreds of trillions of Zimbabwean dollars triggering hyperinflation,[5] and has been accused of harassing and intimidating political opponents, particularly members of the Movement for Democratic Change.[6] Zimbabwe's economy spiraled downward,[7] with food and oil shortages,[8] and with massive internal displacement[9] and emigration.[10] During this period Mugabe's policies have been denounced in the West and at home as racist against Zimbabwe's white minority http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
And, he thought, I know why. They want to be the agents, not the victims, of history. They identify with God's power and believe they are godlike. That is their basic madness. A long time ago I gave a lecture on TM and the ME to some bright young people and one of them jumped down my throat at the suggestion that people should have the power to control others through thought alone. At the time I couldn't see his problem. Surely if we're doing good it's OK. But now I know better, it's not OK because it poisons the minds of the people who think they have a right to control other people without their consent. In stark terms there are two ways to get your ideas across to other people. (1) you sit down with them, discuss, reason, argue, and lead them to your point of view, or have your own point of view changed in the process. (2) You bash them over the head until they do as you tell them. Maharishi started out with (1) but ended up at (2). It doesn't matter that mass YF doesn't involve actual blood letting, simply the belief that it's not necessary to put up a decent argument and that it's possible to use force of some kind is evil dressed up as good intentions. You diminish the audience into the ranks of untermenschen to be controlled. Their opinions are worthless, subhuman. The instant the idea snuck in that it would be possible to dominate lesser beings by a magical force, the language, the command structure, the whole demeanor of the TMO became that of a military organisation intent on world domination. The very idea that an elite group of people should dominate lesser beings is inherently military and opposed to peace. Look around you, every institutionalized nastiness in the movement can be traced back to the belief in a right to overcome others by force, for their own good of course, it always is. Look at the architecture, Towers of Invincibility (with hoards of orcs slaving in the dungeons no doubt). Look that the literature, listen to the songs Victory before War. Look at the faces of Bevan and others when faced with a hostile audience in Berlin. They're not thinking how can we explain things more clearly? they're thinking how can we raise coherence to overcome them?. It's an attitude that's not very different to open fire!. The German audience sensed that because they've seen it before. They saw something in the panel that the panel couldn't see in themselves. That idea of using a magical force in place of rational discussion is the sweetly seductive poison that killed the movement. It's just as well it's a false idea.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of off_world_beings Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:58 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe And Maharishi, when he saw a peace button on Goearge Harrison's lapel, asked him what it was. After the explanation, M. said if your really want peace, build a bigger bomb. And what do you think he meant by 'bomb' you dumb-worm-excuse-for-a-man? He meant bomb, as in Atomic. He said this at the Amherst SCI Symposium in front of General Davis, and persisted in emphasizing the point throughout a prolonged audience outcry. Bollocks Rick. You are lying. There was no public outcry because everyone know he meant bliss bomb, the most powerful bomb in the universe. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 30, 2008, at 10:56 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped Americans must not allow the destruction of scientific research published in respected peer-reviewed journals around the world to block the policies needed to avert catastrophic world problems. Our future is at stake. June 30, 2008 | Conservatives put on a spectacular display of scientific ignorance this month on FFL. During the debate on physics, science, and mind, most Anti-TM posters questioned the reality of peer-reviewed research published in respected peer- reviewed journals around the world, and repeated the talking point that science must only be given credence if they agree with the outcomes of it. It was as if they had been locked in an isolation booth for the past decade. From: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/182304 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/182304 That's why it might be a good idea for you to review the Univ. of Alberta a study on meditation research and the recent medical reviews on TM research which shows it's really just bad science. That study can't found. How convenient Vaj. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Maharishi University of Management, Holland Celebrates the Dawn of a New World Order of Peace -the Rise of Perfection in World Politics and Economy Four Nations Identified as Embodying the Cardinal Qualities of an Ideal State An Historic Day of Great Celebration for the World Today, Maharishi University of Management celebrates the dawn of a New World Order of Peace, as demonstrated by the invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba, the freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, My God! Anybody who agrees that Mugabe represents 'freedom' is one sick fuck. That fact that the official TMO apparently put out this notice is just another blatant indication that the whole thing is an unconscionable perversion of spiritual teaching beyond the pale. It was an ancient announcement by Maharishi who congratulated every leader up until about 2002 or so when he pummelled Bush and Blair, the two headed dog. But you and the other dopes here fell for Rick's deliberate manipulation. Haven't you noticed...Fidel Castro in not in power right now. Apart from that, a lot of people thought Mugabe was a good guy in the beginning. Bullshit. Mugabe has been a tyrant and a killer since at least 1980. So has America, yet as soon as Maharishi said something against the Western system you FFL types were up in arm peeing your pants with anger, and you still are today. This thread prooves that. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:02 AM, do.rflex wrote: Bullshit. Mugabe has been a tyrant and a killer since at least 1980. ---Mugabe rose to prominence in the 1960s as the Secretary general of the Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU). For many years in the 60s and 70s Mugabe was a political prisoner in Rhodesia. His goal was to replace white minority-rule with one-party Marxist regime.[2] He left Rhodesia in 1976 to join the Zimbabwe Liberation Struggle (Rhodesian Bush War) from bases in Mozambique. The war ended in 1979; emerging from this conflict, Mugabe was hailed by Africans as a hero.[3][4] He won the general elections of 1980, the first in which the majority black Africans participated, amid reports of violent intimidation by the militant freedom fighters he now controlled. Mugabe then became the first Prime Minister of black-ruled Zimbabwe after calling for reconciliation between formerly warring parties, including the white people as well as rival parties. The early years of Mugabe's rule saw killings targeting the Ndebele tribe in the Matabeleland and Midlands areas of Zimbabwe. Since 1998 Mugabe's policies have increasingly elicited domestic and international denunciation. His government pursued a costly intervention in the Second Congo War, expropriated thousands of white-owned farms, printed hundreds of trillions of Zimbabwean dollars triggering hyperinflation,[5] and has been accused of harassing and intimidating political opponents, particularly members of the Movement for Democratic Change.[6] Zimbabwe's economy spiraled downward,[7] with food and oil shortages,[8] and with massive internal displacement[9] and emigration.[10] During this period Mugabe's policies have been denounced in the West and at home as racist against Zimbabwe's white minority. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe I'll never forget a couple of years ago a picture I saw in the newspaper of a slain Brit. expat. farmer lying dead--with his Jack Russell Terrier who survived, cuddled up next to his masters dead body. Vigilantes, jealous of the white farmers went in and killed many of the farmers or forced them to flee with the idea to take over their farms and supposedly the money they were making. The people ended up being so uneducated they didn't even know how to operate the farms and now the farms have been taken over by ovegrowth. Such appalling ignorance. I'll never forget a couple of years ago a picture I saw in the newspaper of slain Iraqi children lying dead--with their mother alone beside them. Americans, mad with arrogance, went in and killed hundreds of thousands, or forced them to flee with the idea to take over their oil and supposedly the money they were making. The people ended up being so uneducated they didn't even know how to operate the oil business and now the oil fields have been taken over by groups aligned to the dictatorship in Iran. Such appalling ignorance. And yet Vaj still cannot take the log from his own eye in order to take the spec out of his brothers. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Maharishi University of Management, Holland Celebrates the Dawn of a New World Order of Peace -the Rise of Perfection in World Politics and Economy Four Nations Identified as Embodying the Cardinal Qualities of an Ideal State An Historic Day of Great Celebration for the World Today, Maharishi University of Management celebrates the dawn of a New World Order of Peace, as demonstrated by the invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba, the freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, My God! Anybody who agrees that Mugabe represents 'freedom' is one sick fuck. That fact that the official TMO apparently put out this notice is just another blatant indication that the whole thing is an unconscionable perversion of spiritual teaching beyond the pale. It was an ancient announcement by Maharishi who congratulated every leader up until about 2002 or so when he pummelled Bush and Blair, the two headed dog. But you and the other dopes here fell for Rick's deliberate manipulation. Haven't you noticed...Fidel Castro in not in power right now. Apart from that, a lot of people thought Mugabe was a good guy in the beginning. Baloney! Mugabe's been a tyrant and a killer since at least 1980. You said that already. And so has America, yet as soon as Maharishi said something against the Western system you FFL types were up in arms peeing your pants with anger, and you still are today. This thread proves that. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Today is Ken Hassman's Birthday
Happy Birthday, Ken!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Maharishi University of Management, Holland Celebrates the Dawn of a New World Order of Peace -the Rise of Perfection in World Politics and Economy Four Nations Identified as Embodying the Cardinal Qualities of an Ideal State An Historic Day of Great Celebration for the World Today, Maharishi University of Management celebrates the dawn of a New World Order of Peace, as demonstrated by the invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba, the freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, My God! Anybody who agrees that Mugabe represents 'freedom' is one sick fuck. That fact that the official TMO apparently put out this notice is just another blatant indication that the whole thing is an unconscionable perversion of spiritual teaching beyond the pale. It was an ancient announcement by Maharishi who congratulated every leader up until about 2002 or so when he pummelled Bush and Blair, the two headed dog. But you and the other dopes here fell for Rick's deliberate manipulation. Haven't you noticed...Fidel Castro in not in power right now. Apart from that, a lot of people thought Mugabe was a good guy in the beginning. Bullshit. Mugabe has been a tyrant and a killer since at least 1980. So has America, yet as soon as Maharishi said something against the Western system you FFL types were up in arm peeing your pants with anger, and you still are today. This thread prooves that. It appears that it is *you* who had the berzerko reaction, fella. Look back at your posts.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:42 AM, off_world_beings wrote: That study can't found. How convenient Vaj. You should try looking. It's been mentioned and linked to here several times: Link Here's a synopsis: http://www.expressnews.ualberta.ca/article.cfm?id=8572
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:51 AM, off_world_beings wrote: I'll never forget a couple of years ago a picture I saw in the newspaper of slain Iraqi children lying dead--with their mother alone beside them. Americans, mad with arrogance, went in and killed hundreds of thousands, or forced them to flee with the idea to take over their oil and supposedly the money they were making. The people ended up being so uneducated they didn't even know how to operate the oil business and now the oil fields have been taken over by groups aligned to the dictatorship in Iran. Such appalling ignorance. And yet Vaj still cannot take the log from his own eye in order to take the spec out of his brothers. So instead of a proper response you change the subject?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
A bash-the-TMO-as-Nazis fest seems to have broken out here this morning. Guyfawkes, when you say military organization, I think you mean political. I see no guns. Also, I'm unconvinced by your application of the Nazi-evoking words untermenschen and subhuman to TMO attitudes to people. I think that's over the top by several miles. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, he thought, I know why. They want to be the agents, not the victims, of history. They identify with God's power and believe they are godlike. That is their basic madness. A long time ago I gave a lecture on TM and the ME to some bright young people and one of them jumped down my throat at the suggestion that people should have the power to control others through thought alone. At the time I couldn't see his problem. Surely if we're doing good it's OK. But now I know better, it's not OK because it poisons the minds of the people who think they have a right to control other people without their consent. In stark terms there are two ways to get your ideas across to other people. (1) you sit down with them, discuss, reason, argue, and lead them to your point of view, or have your own point of view changed in the process. (2) You bash them over the head until they do as you tell them. Maharishi started out with (1) but ended up at (2). It doesn't matter that mass YF doesn't involve actual blood letting, simply the belief that it's not necessary to put up a decent argument and that it's possible to use force of some kind is evil dressed up as good intentions. You diminish the audience into the ranks of untermenschen to be controlled. Their opinions are worthless, subhuman. The instant the idea snuck in that it would be possible to dominate lesser beings by a magical force, the language, the command structure, the whole demeanor of the TMO became that of a military organisation intent on world domination. The very idea that an elite group of people should dominate lesser beings is inherently military and opposed to peace. Look around you, every institutionalized nastiness in the movement can be traced back to the belief in a right to overcome others by force, for their own good of course, it always is. Look at the architecture, Towers of Invincibility (with hoards of orcs slaving in the dungeons no doubt). Look that the literature, listen to the songs Victory before War. Look at the faces of Bevan and others when faced with a hostile audience in Berlin. They're not thinking how can we explain things more clearly? they're thinking how can we raise coherence to overcome them?. It's an attitude that's not very different to open fire!. The German audience sensed that because they've seen it before. They saw something in the panel that the panel couldn't see in themselves. That idea of using a magical force in place of rational discussion is the sweetly seductive poison that killed the movement. It's just as well it's a false idea.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
You are a complete opportunist Vaj. That study is like mixing in a pot, some ice-cream, cabbage, chocolate, hot peppers, and tripe, and then claiming that chocolate doesn't taste good. I'm afraid you still are bumbling around in the dark trying to find studies against TM after many many years of trying. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:42 AM, off_world_beings wrote: That study can't found. How convenient Vaj. You should try looking. It's been mentioned and linked to here several times: Link Here's a synopsis: http://www.expressnews.ualberta.ca/article.cfm?id=8572 http://www.expressnews.ualberta.ca/article.cfm?id=8572
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:51 AM, off_world_beings wrote: I'll never forget a couple of years ago a picture I saw in the newspaper of slain Iraqi children lying dead--with their mother alone beside them. Americans, mad with arrogance, went in and killed hundreds of thousands, or forced them to flee with the idea to take over their oil and supposedly the money they were making. The people ended up being so uneducated they didn't even know how to operate the oil business and now the oil fields have been taken over by groups aligned to the dictatorship in Iran. Such appalling ignorance. And yet Vaj still cannot take the log from his own eye in order to take the spec out of his brothers. So instead of a proper response you change the subject? You don't think American and European corporations have and are affecting Africa, the most resource rich continent in the world. They are trying to control it for their own greed, and they don't give a shit about the people (unless they convert to christianity en-masse) Vaj still cannot take the log from his own eye in order to take the spec out of his brothers. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Maharishi University of Management, Holland Celebrates the Dawn of a New World Order of Peace -the Rise of Perfection in World Politics and Economy Four Nations Identified as Embodying the Cardinal Qualities of an Ideal State An Historic Day of Great Celebration for the World Today, Maharishi University of Management celebrates the dawn of a New World Order of Peace, as demonstrated by the invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba, the freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, My God! Anybody who agrees that Mugabe represents 'freedom' is one sick fuck. That fact that the official TMO apparently put out this notice is just another blatant indication that the whole thing is an unconscionable perversion of spiritual teaching beyond the pale. It was an ancient announcement by Maharishi who congratulated every leader up until about 2002 or so when he pummelled Bush and Blair, the two headed dog. But you and the other dopes here fell for Rick's deliberate manipulation. Haven't you noticed...Fidel Castro in not in power right now. Apart from that, a lot of people thought Mugabe was a good guy in the beginning. Bullshit. Mugabe has been a tyrant and a killer since at least 1980. ---Mugabe rose to prominence in the 1960s as the Secretary general of the Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU). For many years in the 60s and 70s Mugabe was a political prisoner in Rhodesia. His goal was to replace white minority-rule with one-party Marxist regime.[2] He left Rhodesia in 1976 to join the Zimbabwe Liberation Struggle (Rhodesian Bush War) from bases in Mozambique. The war ended in 1979; emerging from this conflict, Mugabe was hailed by Africans as a hero.[3][4] He won the general elections of 1980, the first in which the majority black Africans participated, amid reports of violent intimidation by the militant freedom fighters he now controlled. Mugabe then became the first Prime Minister of black-ruled Zimbabwe after calling for reconciliation between formerly warring parties, including the white people as well as rival parties. The early years of Mugabe's rule saw killings targeting the Ndebele tribe in the Matabeleland and Midlands areas of Zimbabwe. Since 1998 Mugabe's policies have increasingly elicited domestic and international denunciation. His government pursued a costly intervention in the Second Congo War, expropriated thousands of white-owned farms, printed hundreds of trillions of Zimbabwean dollars triggering hyperinflation,[5] and has been accused of harassing and intimidating political opponents, particularly members of the Movement for Democratic Change.[6] Zimbabwe's economy spiraled downward,[7] with food and oil shortages,[8] and with massive internal displacement[9] and emigration.[10] During this period Mugabe's policies have been denounced in the West and at home as racist against Zimbabwe's white minority. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe He's been a real disappointment to many people in the world who had high hopes. The sad thing is that South Africa appears to be going down the same route. Apart from the fact that Nelson Mandela has refused to condemn Mugabe, it has only been recently that South Africa has refused to use its ports (Zimbabwe is land-locked and abuts South Africa) to transport arms to Zimbabwe which Mugabe has been using for years to suppress and murder opposition members. Tribal warfare is occurring in South Africa at rates that are starting to rival Zimbabwe and the crime rate is soaring. AIDS is rampant and the government prefers OFFICIALLY to shun proven western medicine and embrace unproven, wacky, tribal cures. South Africa's president refuses to believe that a virus causes AIDS and makes Rev. Jeremiah Wright sound like a paradigm of reason. But a lot of his beef has been with the corporate controlled greed of the the US and EU, and if you put Mugabe or Castro next to the International crimes that Bush , who Blair are ACTUALLY ON THE WANTED LIST, the likes of Castro pale to insignificance compared to the crimes of the US and EU (in most countries around the world it is actually legal for a citizen to arrest any of the Bush administration at this point if they travel abroad. This is a fact) OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
On Jul 1, 2008, at 6:35 AM, Rick Archer wrote: And Maharishi, when he saw a peace button on Goearge Harrison's lapel, asked him what it was. After the explanation, M. said if your really want peace, build a bigger bomb. And what do you think he meant by 'bomb' you dumb-worm-excuse-for-a- man? He meant “bomb,” as in Atomic. He said this at the Amherst SCI Symposium in front of General Davis, and persisted in emphasizing the point throughout a prolonged audience outcry. I think Off is trying to suggest MMY couldn't have possibly meant something that ignorant, that he must have meant something along the lines of a giant Love Bomb, or something like that. I think Off has finally really lost it. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
On Jul 1, 2008, at 10:25 AM, off_world_beings wrote: You are a complete opportunist Vaj. That study is like mixing in a pot, some ice-cream, cabbage, chocolate, hot peppers, and tripe, and then claiming that chocolate doesn't taste good. I'm afraid you still are bumbling around in the dark trying to find studies against TM after many many years of trying. Actually that's not at all what I'm doing. The study speaks for itself and is really nothing new or even surprising to objective observers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
On Jul 1, 2008, at 7:19 AM, guyfawkes91 wrote: It's still up! My God these people must have shit for brains. Oh well they're just begging for it to be re-circulated to the media, so hey ho ... LOL... Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A bash-the-TMO-as-Nazis fest seems to have broken out here this morning. Guyfawkes, when you say military organization, I think you mean political. I see no guns. Also, I'm unconvinced by your application of the Nazi-evoking words untermenschen and subhuman to TMO attitudes to people. I think that's over the top by several miles. You obviously weren't following Nablus' tirades last week. Nothing could possibly be more uber- mensch than his attitude towards those who do not toe the TM party line. And, he was very clear about what should happen to these lowlives or vampires, as he called them. According to him, Nature will wipe them out, destroy them. And soon. The thing is, the *Nazis* were slackers compared to TM TBs like Nabby. Even though the Nazis were fascinated by magical thinking, they didn't trust in it enough to rely on magic as their only way of taking over the world. They had to use brute force. TM TBs like Nabby believe in magic, so they rely on magic. But when you listen to them rant, you find that they have the same goal as the Nazis (to take over the world and shape it to their idea of an ideal society), they have the same enemies as the Nazis (those who don't agree with them or live the way they think people should), and they have the same final solution in mind for these enemies (eliminate them). TM TBs like Nabby just believe that if they bounce on their butts enough and pay for enough pundits and yagyas, the gods and devas will do all the dirty work FOR THEM, and they won't have to get their own hands dirty. In other words, TM TBs like Nabby are the more highly-evolved form of Nazis -- they do less and hope to accomplish more. But more of the same old same old. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote: And, he thought, I know why. They want to be the agents, not the victims, of history. They identify with God's power and believe they are godlike. That is their basic madness. A long time ago I gave a lecture on TM and the ME to some bright young people and one of them jumped down my throat at the suggestion that people should have the power to control others through thought alone. At the time I couldn't see his problem. Surely if we're doing good it's OK. But now I know better, it's not OK because it poisons the minds of the people who think they have a right to control other people without their consent. In stark terms there are two ways to get your ideas across to other people. (1) you sit down with them, discuss, reason, argue, and lead them to your point of view, or have your own point of view changed in the process. (2) You bash them over the head until they do as you tell them. Maharishi started out with (1) but ended up at (2). It doesn't matter that mass YF doesn't involve actual blood letting, simply the belief that it's not necessary to put up a decent argument and that it's possible to use force of some kind is evil dressed up as good intentions. You diminish the audience into the ranks of untermenschen to be controlled. Their opinions are worthless, subhuman. The instant the idea snuck in that it would be possible to dominate lesser beings by a magical force, the language, the command structure, the whole demeanor of the TMO became that of a military organisation intent on world domination. The very idea that an elite group of people should dominate lesser beings is inherently military and opposed to peace. Look around you, every institutionalized nastiness in the movement can be traced back to the belief in a right to overcome others by force, for their own good of course, it always is. Look at the architecture, Towers of Invincibility (with hoards of orcs slaving in the dungeons no doubt). Look that the literature, listen to the songs Victory before War. Look at the faces of Bevan and others when faced with a hostile audience in Berlin. They're not thinking how can we explain things more clearly? they're thinking how can we raise coherence to overcome them?. It's an attitude that's not very different to open fire!. The German audience sensed that because they've seen it before. They saw something in the panel that the panel couldn't see in themselves. That idea of using a magical force in place of rational discussion is the sweetly seductive poison that killed the movement. It's just as well it's a false idea.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Maharishi University of Management, Holland Celebrates the Dawn of a New World Order of Peace -the Rise of Perfection in World Politics and Economy Four Nations Identified as Embodying the Cardinal Qualities of an Ideal State An Historic Day of Great Celebration for the World Today, Maharishi University of Management celebrates the dawn of a New World Order of Peace, as demonstrated by the invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba, the freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, My God! Anybody who agrees that Mugabe represents 'freedom' is one sick fuck. That fact that the official TMO apparently put out this notice is just another blatant indication that the whole thing is an unconscionable perversion of spiritual teaching beyond the pale. It was an ancient announcement by Maharishi who congratulated every leader up until about 2002 or so when he pummelled Bush and Blair, the two headed dog. But you and the other dopes here fell for Rick's deliberate manipulation. Haven't you noticed...Fidel Castro in not in power right now. Apart from that, a lot of people thought Mugabe was a good guy in the beginning. Bullshit. Mugabe has been a tyrant and a killer since at least 1980. ---Mugabe rose to prominence in the 1960s as the Secretary general of the Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU). For many years in the 60s and 70s Mugabe was a political prisoner in Rhodesia. His goal was to replace white minority-rule with one-party Marxist regime.[2] He left Rhodesia in 1976 to join the Zimbabwe Liberation Struggle (Rhodesian Bush War) from bases in Mozambique. The war ended in 1979; emerging from this conflict, Mugabe was hailed by Africans as a hero.[3][4] He won the general elections of 1980, the first in which the majority black Africans participated, amid reports of violent intimidation by the militant freedom fighters he now controlled. Mugabe then became the first Prime Minister of black-ruled Zimbabwe after calling for reconciliation between formerly warring parties, including the white people as well as rival parties. The early years of Mugabe's rule saw killings targeting the Ndebele tribe in the Matabeleland and Midlands areas of Zimbabwe. Since 1998 Mugabe's policies have increasingly elicited domestic and international denunciation. His government pursued a costly intervention in the Second Congo War, expropriated thousands of white-owned farms, printed hundreds of trillions of Zimbabwean dollars triggering hyperinflation,[5] and has been accused of harassing and intimidating political opponents, particularly members of the Movement for Democratic Change.[6] Zimbabwe's economy spiraled downward,[7] with food and oil shortages,[8] and with massive internal displacement[9] and emigration.[10] During this period Mugabe's policies have been denounced in the West and at home as racist against Zimbabwe's white minority. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe He's been a real disappointment to many people in the world who had high hopes. The sad thing is that South Africa appears to be going down the same route. Apart from the fact that Nelson Mandela has refused to condemn Mugabe, Former South African leader Nelson Mandela has added his voice to the growing international condemnation of the political violence in Zimbabwe. In his first public comments about the crisis, he noted the tragic failure of leadership of President Robert Mugabe... Speaking at a dinner in London to mark his 90th birthday, Mr Mandela said: We watch with sadness the continuing tragedy in Darfur. Nearer to home we have seen the outbreak of violence against fellow Africans in our own country and the tragic failure of leadership in our neighbouring Zimbabwe. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7474561.stm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:02 AM, do.rflex wrote: Bullshit. Mugabe has been a tyrant and a killer since at least 1980. ---Mugabe rose to prominence in the 1960s as the Secretary general of the Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU). For many years in the 60s and 70s Mugabe was a political prisoner in Rhodesia. His goal was to replace white minority-rule with one-party Marxist regime.[2] He left Rhodesia in 1976 to join the Zimbabwe Liberation Struggle (Rhodesian Bush War) from bases in Mozambique. The war ended in 1979; emerging from this conflict, Mugabe was hailed by Africans as a hero.[3][4] He won the general elections of 1980, the first in which the majority black Africans participated, amid reports of violent intimidation by the militant freedom fighters he now controlled. Mugabe then became the first Prime Minister of black-ruled Zimbabwe after calling for reconciliation between formerly warring parties, including the white people as well as rival parties. The early years of Mugabe's rule saw killings targeting the Ndebele tribe in the Matabeleland and Midlands areas of Zimbabwe. Since 1998 Mugabe's policies have increasingly elicited domestic and international denunciation. His government pursued a costly intervention in the Second Congo War, expropriated thousands of white-owned farms, printed hundreds of trillions of Zimbabwean dollars triggering hyperinflation,[5] and has been accused of harassing and intimidating political opponents, particularly members of the Movement for Democratic Change.[6] Zimbabwe's economy spiraled downward,[7] with food and oil shortages,[8] and with massive internal displacement[9] and emigration.[10] During this period Mugabe's policies have been denounced in the West and at home as racist against Zimbabwe's white minority. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe I'll never forget a couple of years ago a picture I saw in the newspaper of a slain Brit. expat. farmer lying dead--with his Jack Russell Terrier who survived, cuddled up next to his masters dead body. Vigilantes, jealous of the white farmers went in and killed many of the farmers or forced them to flee with the idea to take over their farms and supposedly the money they were making. The people ended up being so uneducated they didn't even know how to operate the farms and now the farms have been taken over by ovegrowth. Such appalling ignorance. I'll never forget a couple of years ago a picture I saw in the newspaper of slain Iraqi children lying dead--with their mother alone beside them. Americans, mad with arrogance, went in and killed hundreds of thousands, or forced them to flee with the idea to take over their oil and supposedly the money they were making. The people ended up being so uneducated they didn't even know how to operate the oil business and now the oil fields have been taken over by groups aligned to the dictatorship in Iran. Such appalling ignorance. OffWorld I agree with you here Off. But you're completely missing the point. No one is defending the massively corrupt actions of US foreign policy these last years. (No one with half a brain that is.) But what does that have to do with MMY praising a brutal dictator? Zero. Nada. I got into TM during the Nixon era. It (I thought) was a wonderful alternative to the madness going on around me. How could I have known that it (TMO and MMY) would turn into its own special brand of madness?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Maharishi University of Management, Holland Celebrates the Dawn of a New World Order of Peace -the Rise of Perfection in World Politics and Economy Four Nations Identified as Embodying the Cardinal Qualities of an Ideal State An Historic Day of Great Celebration for the World Today, Maharishi University of Management celebrates the dawn of a New World Order of Peace, as demonstrated by the invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba, the freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, My God! Anybody who agrees that Mugabe represents 'freedom' is one sick fuck. That fact that the official TMO apparently put out this notice is just another blatant indication that the whole thing is an unconscionable perversion of spiritual teaching beyond the pale. It was an ancient announcement by Maharishi who congratulated every leader up until about 2002 or so when he pummelled Bush and Blair, the two headed dog. But you and the other dopes here fell for Rick's deliberate manipulation. Haven't you noticed...Fidel Castro in not in power right now. Apart from that, a lot of people thought Mugabe was a good guy in the beginning. Bullshit. Mugabe has been a tyrant and a killer since at least 1980. ---Mugabe rose to prominence in the 1960s as the Secretary general of the Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU). For many years in the 60s and 70s Mugabe was a political prisoner in Rhodesia. His goal was to replace white minority-rule with one-party Marxist regime.[2] He left Rhodesia in 1976 to join the Zimbabwe Liberation Struggle (Rhodesian Bush War) from bases in Mozambique. The war ended in 1979; emerging from this conflict, Mugabe was hailed by Africans as a hero.[3] [4] He won the general elections of 1980, the first in which the majority black Africans participated, amid reports of violent intimidation by the militant freedom fighters he now controlled. Mugabe then became the first Prime Minister of black-ruled Zimbabwe after calling for reconciliation between formerly warring parties, including the white people as well as rival parties. The early years of Mugabe's rule saw killings targeting the Ndebele tribe in the Matabeleland and Midlands areas of Zimbabwe. Since 1998 Mugabe's policies have increasingly elicited domestic and international denunciation. His government pursued a costly intervention in the Second Congo War, expropriated thousands of white-owned farms, printed hundreds of trillions of Zimbabwean dollars triggering hyperinflation,[5] and has been accused of harassing and intimidating political opponents, particularly members of the Movement for Democratic Change.[6] Zimbabwe's economy spiraled downward, [7] with food and oil shortages,[8] and with massive internal displacement[9] and emigration.[10] During this period Mugabe's policies have been denounced in the West and at home as racist against Zimbabwe's white minority. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe He's been a real disappointment to many people in the world who had high hopes. The sad thing is that South Africa appears to be going down the same route. Apart from the fact that Nelson Mandela has refused to condemn Mugabe, Former South African leader Nelson Mandela has added his voice to the growing international condemnation of the political violence in Zimbabwe. In his first public comments about the crisis, he noted the tragic failure of leadership of President Robert Mugabe... Speaking at a dinner in London to mark his 90th birthday, Mr Mandela said: We watch with sadness the continuing tragedy in Darfur. Nearer to home we have seen the outbreak of violence against fellow Africans in our own country and the tragic failure of leadership in our neighbouring Zimbabwe. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7474561.stm In his first public comments... Finally. It only took him 30 years...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 1, 2008, at 10:25 AM, off_world_beings wrote: You are a complete opportunist Vaj. That study is like mixing in a pot, some ice-cream, cabbage, chocolate, hot peppers, and tripe, and then claiming that chocolate doesn't taste good. I'm afraid you still are bumbling around in the dark trying to find studies against TM after many many years of trying. Actually that's not at all what I'm doing. The study speaks for itself and is really nothing new or even surprising to objective observers. That study is like mixing in a pot, some ice-cream, cabbage, chocolate, hot peppers, and tripe, and then claiming that chocolate doesn't taste good. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:02 AM, do.rflex wrote: Bullshit. Mugabe has been a tyrant and a killer since at least 1980. ---Mugabe rose to prominence in the 1960s as the Secretary general of the Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU). For many years in the 60s and 70s Mugabe was a political prisoner in Rhodesia. His goal was to replace white minority-rule with one-party Marxist regime.[2] He left Rhodesia in 1976 to join the Zimbabwe Liberation Struggle (Rhodesian Bush War) from bases in Mozambique. The war ended in 1979; emerging from this conflict, Mugabe was hailed by Africans as a hero.[3][4] He won the general elections of 1980, the first in which the majority black Africans participated, amid reports of violent intimidation by the militant freedom fighters he now controlled. Mugabe then became the first Prime Minister of black-ruled Zimbabwe after calling for reconciliation between formerly warring parties, including the white people as well as rival parties. The early years of Mugabe's rule saw killings targeting the Ndebele tribe in the Matabeleland and Midlands areas of Zimbabwe. Since 1998 Mugabe's policies have increasingly elicited domestic and international denunciation. His government pursued a costly intervention in the Second Congo War, expropriated thousands of white-owned farms, printed hundreds of trillions of Zimbabwean dollars triggering hyperinflation,[5] and has been accused of harassing and intimidating political opponents, particularly members of the Movement for Democratic Change.[6] Zimbabwe's economy spiraled downward,[7] with food and oil shortages,[8] and with massive internal displacement[9] and emigration.[10] During this period Mugabe's policies have been denounced in the West and at home as racist against Zimbabwe's white minority. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe I'll never forget a couple of years ago a picture I saw in the newspaper of a slain Brit. expat. farmer lying dead--with his Jack Russell Terrier who survived, cuddled up next to his masters dead body. Vigilantes, jealous of the white farmers went in and killed many of the farmers or forced them to flee with the idea to take over their farms and supposedly the money they were making. The people ended up being so uneducated they didn't even know how to operate the farms and now the farms have been taken over by ovegrowth. Such appalling ignorance. I'll never forget a couple of years ago a picture I saw in the newspaper of slain Iraqi children lying dead--with their mother alone beside them. Americans, mad with arrogance, went in and killed hundreds of thousands, or forced them to flee with the idea to take over their oil and supposedly the money they were making. The people ended up being so uneducated they didn't even know how to operate the oil business and now the oil fields have been taken over by groups aligned to the dictatorship in Iran. Such appalling ignorance. OffWorld I agree with you here Off. But you're completely missing the point. No one is defending the massively corrupt actions of US foreign policy these last years. (No one with half a brain that is.) But what does that have to do with MMY praising a brutal dictator? He praised all leaders and non-leaders, he never denounced anyone up until about 2002, He even praised brutal dicatators such as Reagan, Bush Snr. You didn't complain about that support do you. Reagan and Bush Snr. and other American regimes are the ones that sold WMD's to Iraq, upheld - at gun point - the Saudi dictatorship, brought down the democratically elected President of Iran, and helped the Ayotollas get in power, and they are the ones that got Mugabe to go nuts due to their interference everywhere - and the British too. Mugabe saw he was being manipulated by the corporate greed of the West and just went overboard. The most brutal dictaros are the corporations that dominate corrupt democracy as Maharishi called it. In addition, there are SOOOooo many brutal dictators that the US put in power that it is hard to put them all in one post. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Maharishi University of Management, Holland Celebrates the Dawn of a New World Order of Peace -the Rise of Perfection in World Politics and Economy Four Nations Identified as Embodying the Cardinal Qualities of an Ideal State An Historic Day of Great Celebration for the World Today, Maharishi University of Management celebrates the dawn of a New World Order of Peace, as demonstrated by the invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba, the freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, My God! Anybody who agrees that Mugabe represents 'freedom' is one sick fuck. That fact that the official TMO apparently put out this notice is just another blatant indication that the whole thing is an unconscionable perversion of spiritual teaching beyond the pale. It was an ancient announcement by Maharishi who congratulated every leader up until about 2002 or so when he pummelled Bush and Blair, the two headed dog. But you and the other dopes here fell for Rick's deliberate manipulation. Haven't you noticed...Fidel Castro in not in power right now. Apart from that, a lot of people thought Mugabe was a good guy in the beginning. Bullshit. Mugabe has been a tyrant and a killer since at least 1980. ---Mugabe rose to prominence in the 1960s as the Secretary general of the Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU). For many years in the 60s and 70s Mugabe was a political prisoner in Rhodesia. His goal was to replace white minority-rule with one-party Marxist regime.[2] He left Rhodesia in 1976 to join the Zimbabwe Liberation Struggle (Rhodesian Bush War) from bases in Mozambique. The war ended in 1979; emerging from this conflict, Mugabe was hailed by Africans as a hero.[3] [4] He won the general elections of 1980, the first in which the majority black Africans participated, amid reports of violent intimidation by the militant freedom fighters he now controlled. Mugabe then became the first Prime Minister of black-ruled Zimbabwe after calling for reconciliation between formerly warring parties, including the white people as well as rival parties. The early years of Mugabe's rule saw killings targeting the Ndebele tribe in the Matabeleland and Midlands areas of Zimbabwe. Since 1998 Mugabe's policies have increasingly elicited domestic and international denunciation. His government pursued a costly intervention in the Second Congo War, expropriated thousands of white-owned farms, printed hundreds of trillions of Zimbabwean dollars triggering hyperinflation,[5] and has been accused of harassing and intimidating political opponents, particularly members of the Movement for Democratic Change.[6] Zimbabwe's economy spiraled downward, [7] with food and oil shortages,[8] and with massive internal displacement[9] and emigration.[10] During this period Mugabe's policies have been denounced in the West and at home as racist against Zimbabwe's white minority. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe He's been a real disappointment to many people in the world who had high hopes. The sad thing is that South Africa appears to be going down the same route. Apart from the fact that Nelson Mandela has refused to condemn Mugabe, Former South African leader Nelson Mandela has added his voice to the growing international condemnation of the political violence in Zimbabwe. In his first public comments about the crisis, he noted the tragic failure of leadership of President Robert Mugabe... Speaking at a dinner in London to mark his 90th birthday, Mr Mandela said: We watch with sadness the continuing tragedy in Darfur. Nearer to home we have seen the outbreak of violence against fellow Africans in our own country and the tragic failure of leadership in our neighbouring
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A bash-the-TMO-as-Nazis fest seems to have broken out here this morning. Guyfawkes, when you say military organization, I think you mean political. I see no guns. Also, I'm unconvinced by your application of the Nazi-evoking words untermenschen and subhuman to TMO attitudes to people. I think that's over the top by several miles. Yep, I agree-- by all accounts the TMO is a pretty benign organization. Certainly nothing militant about it. And really no different from any other organization in advancing its agenda. As for the inference that they are superior to others, I think all organizations operate that way, whether stated openly or not-- it is partially what keeps them cohesive, and when we're talking about saving souls, the perceived superiority gets pretty comprehensive.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
A bash-the-TMO-as-Nazis fest seems to have broken out here this morning. Guyfawkes, when you say military organization, I think you mean political. I see no guns. Also, I'm unconvinced by your application of the Nazi-evoking words untermenschen and subhuman to TMO attitudes to people. I think that's over the top by several miles. Nope, I used the word military because that's exactly what I meant. Political organizations think in terms of convincing people, maybe by dubious means, maybe by emotion rather than reason but they're still thinking in terms of opening a dialog with the outside world, reaching out and convincing people. Military organizations don't have such girlie ideas, they think in terms of let's kick ass and blast the fuckers to kingdom come. The TMO used to think in terms of having a dialog with the rest of the world and there are still traces of that. But mostly it thinks in terms of let's kick ass and blast the fuckers into Sat Yuga with group coherence. People are pumping millions into weapons development in the form of pundits and super-advanced technologies of the unified field. Scarcely a single cent is being spent on building up academic credibility and a good name in society. In fact the TMO has thrown away most of it's credibility because it was thought to be for sissies and the low life who worry about public appearances, factual accuracy and logical consistency. Ethics? Ha! you're so un-evolved, we don't need ethics we've got pundits! Why waste time on such boring things as ethical behavior and reasoned argument when we can just blast people with pundits chanting. People don't think in terms of how to communicate properly or how to put up a reasoned argument. They think in terms of Super-radiance numbers. There's a very direct interpretation of Super-radiance numbers as mega-coherence units and blast radii and that makes it very transparent what the mode of thinking is. Already we're hearing talk of collateral damage. People are telling themselves that if others can't behave as prescribed by the TMO then it's right that they should have their homes flooded by mother nature. Even though there's no relation between the weather and super-radiance people who believe there is think that wrecking people's lives is worth it for the sake of conquest by a higher force. That is military thinking. The TMO is a military organization. Just because they don't use physical weapons doesn't mean they're thinking in political terms. The command structure, the power plays, the buildings, the language, everything right down the the paranoia about secret agents is military. If someone was introduced as General Gordon of the Invincibility Forces of Iowa no one in the TMO would bat an eyelid, the role would slot right in to the existing structure. It's such a subtle thing that most people haven't realized it's happened. Once we were an educational organization dedicated to spreading ideas through dialog and discussion. But we aren't anymore, now the goal is conquest without discussion. That is military thinking. It's a good idea poisoned by the essence of evil, the belief that one group has a right to dominate everyone else without asking them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turq, many years ago when I was an MIU student I read this novel and that exact same paragraph jumped out at me and helped me understand what was wrong with MMY and the TMO. It was the idea of the lived reality over the actual lived reality. Carl Jung also spoke about this after he visited the USA and spoke with some Navajo elders. These elders told him that the White man thought up here and pointed to their head instead of thinking here, pointing to their heart. Jung saw it as the neurosis of modern man. Lost in a world of idealized concepts that destroy the lived reality of those very same concepts. so lemme get this straight, this guy made up a story about the dangers of living inside your head...by living inside his head. An entire book written...by living inside his head...on the dangers of living inside your head.
[FairfieldLife] Neil Young on the Impeachment of Bush
Interview with a good Canadian expat: http://www.infowars.com/?p=3001
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It's a good idea poisoned by the essence of evil, the belief that one group has a right to dominate everyone else without asking them. I thought evil needed to actually have an influence to be considered evil-- Why not let the techniques continue and see what happens? So what if a few folks think this result or that result have occurred? Until someone literally puts a gun to my head, I am not concerned in the least-- IME, the whole of nature has never conspired against a group of people identified by another group of people.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:02 AM, do.rflex wrote: Bullshit. Mugabe has been a tyrant and a killer since at least 1980. ---Mugabe rose to prominence in the 1960s as the Secretary general of the Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU). For many years in the 60s and 70s Mugabe was a political prisoner in Rhodesia. His goal was to replace white minority-rule with one-party Marxist regime.[2] He left Rhodesia in 1976 to join the Zimbabwe Liberation Struggle (Rhodesian Bush War) from bases in Mozambique. The war ended in 1979; emerging from this conflict, Mugabe was hailed by Africans as a hero.[3][4] He won the general elections of 1980, the first in which the majority black Africans participated, amid reports of violent intimidation by the militant freedom fighters he now controlled. Mugabe then became the first Prime Minister of black-ruled Zimbabwe after calling for reconciliation between formerly warring parties, including the white people as well as rival parties. The early years of Mugabe's rule saw killings targeting the Ndebele tribe in the Matabeleland and Midlands areas of Zimbabwe. Since 1998 Mugabe's policies have increasingly elicited domestic and international denunciation. His government pursued a costly intervention in the Second Congo War, expropriated thousands of white-owned farms, printed hundreds of trillions of Zimbabwean dollars triggering hyperinflation,[5] and has been accused of harassing and intimidating political opponents, particularly members of the Movement for Democratic Change.[6] Zimbabwe's economy spiraled downward,[7] with food and oil shortages,[8] and with massive internal displacement[9] and emigration.[10] During this period Mugabe's policies have been denounced in the West and at home as racist against Zimbabwe's white minority. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe I'll never forget a couple of years ago a picture I saw in the newspaper of a slain Brit. expat. farmer lying dead--with his Jack Russell Terrier who survived, cuddled up next to his masters dead body. Vigilantes, jealous of the white farmers went in and killed many of the farmers or forced them to flee with the idea to take over their farms and supposedly the money they were making. The people ended up being so uneducated they didn't even know how to operate the farms and now the farms have been taken over by ovegrowth. Such appalling ignorance. I'll never forget a couple of years ago a picture I saw in the newspaper of slain Iraqi children lying dead--with their mother alone beside them. Americans, mad with arrogance, went in and killed hundreds of thousands, or forced them to flee with the idea to take over their oil and supposedly the money they were making. The people ended up being so uneducated they didn't even know how to operate the oil business and now the oil fields have been taken over by groups aligned to the dictatorship in Iran. Such appalling ignorance. OffWorld I agree with you here Off. But you're completely missing the point. No one is defending the massively corrupt actions of US foreign policy these last years. (No one with half a brain that is.) But what does that have to do with MMY praising a brutal dictator? He praised all leaders and non-leaders, he never denounced anyone up until about 2002, He even praised brutal dicatators such as Reagan, Bush Snr. You didn't complain about that support do you. Reagan and Bush Snr. and other American regimes are the ones that sold WMD's to Iraq, upheld - at gun point - the Saudi dictatorship, brought down the democratically elected President of Iran, and helped the Ayotollas get in power, and they are the ones that got Mugabe to go nuts due to their interference everywhere - and the British too. Mugabe saw he was being manipulated by the corporate greed of the West and just went overboard. The most brutal dictaros are the corporations that dominate corrupt democracy as Maharishi called it. In addition, there are SOOOooo many brutal dictators that the US put in power that it is hard to put them all in one post. OffWorld As a matter of fact Off I did complain about MMY saying ANYTHING about politics. I didn't vote for Reagan or either Bush and don't disagree with your assesment US foreign policy. Again, you're missing the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Maharishi University of Management, Holland Celebrates the Dawn of a New World Order of Peace -the Rise of Perfection in World Politics and Economy Four Nations Identified as Embodying the Cardinal Qualities of an Ideal State An Historic Day of Great Celebration for the World Today, Maharishi University of Management celebrates the dawn of a New World Order of Peace, as demonstrated by the invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba, the freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, My God! Anybody who agrees that Mugabe represents 'freedom' is one sick fuck. That fact that the official TMO apparently put out this notice is just another blatant indication that the whole thing is an unconscionable perversion of spiritual teaching beyond the pale. It was an ancient announcement by Maharishi who congratulated every leader up until about 2002 or so when he pummelled Bush and Blair, the two headed dog. But you and the other dopes here fell for Rick's deliberate manipulation. Haven't you noticed...Fidel Castro in not in power right now. Apart from that, a lot of people thought Mugabe was a good guy in the beginning. Bullshit. Mugabe has been a tyrant and a killer since at least 1980. ---Mugabe rose to prominence in the 1960s as the Secretary general of the Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU). For many years in the 60s and 70s Mugabe was a political prisoner in Rhodesia. His goal was to replace white minority-rule with one-party Marxist regime. [2] He left Rhodesia in 1976 to join the Zimbabwe Liberation Struggle (Rhodesian Bush War) from bases in Mozambique. The war ended in 1979; emerging from this conflict, Mugabe was hailed by Africans as a hero. [3] [4] He won the general elections of 1980, the first in which the majority black Africans participated, amid reports of violent intimidation by the militant freedom fighters he now controlled. Mugabe then became the first Prime Minister of black-ruled Zimbabwe after calling for reconciliation between formerly warring parties, including the white people as well as rival parties. The early years of Mugabe's rule saw killings targeting the Ndebele tribe in the Matabeleland and Midlands areas of Zimbabwe. Since 1998 Mugabe's policies have increasingly elicited domestic and international denunciation. His government pursued a costly intervention in the Second Congo War, expropriated thousands of white-owned farms, printed hundreds of trillions of Zimbabwean dollars triggering hyperinflation,[5] and has been accused of harassing and intimidating political opponents, particularly members of the Movement for Democratic Change.[6] Zimbabwe's economy spiraled downward, [7] with food and oil shortages,[8] and with massive internal displacement[9] and emigration.[10] During this period Mugabe's policies have been denounced in the West and at home as racist against Zimbabwe's white minority. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe He's been a real disappointment to many people in the world who had high hopes. The sad thing is that South Africa appears to be going down the same route. Apart from the fact that Nelson Mandela has refused to condemn Mugabe, Former South African leader Nelson Mandela has added his voice to the growing international condemnation of the political violence in Zimbabwe. In his first public comments about the crisis, he noted the tragic failure of leadership of President Robert Mugabe... Speaking at a dinner in
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:02 AM, do.rflex wrote: Bullshit. Mugabe has been a tyrant and a killer since at least 1980. ---Mugabe rose to prominence in the 1960s as the Secretary general of the Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU). For many years in the 60s and 70s Mugabe was a political prisoner in Rhodesia. His goal was to replace white minority-rule with one-party Marxist regime. [2] He left Rhodesia in 1976 to join the Zimbabwe Liberation Struggle (Rhodesian Bush War) from bases in Mozambique. The war ended in 1979; emerging from this conflict, Mugabe was hailed by Africans as a hero.[3][4] He won the general elections of 1980, the first in which the majority black Africans participated, amid reports of violent intimidation by the militant freedom fighters he now controlled. Mugabe then became the first Prime Minister of black-ruled Zimbabwe after calling for reconciliation between formerly warring parties, including the white people as well as rival parties. The early years of Mugabe's rule saw killings targeting the Ndebele tribe in the Matabeleland and Midlands areas of Zimbabwe. Since 1998 Mugabe's policies have increasingly elicited domestic and international denunciation. His government pursued a costly intervention in the Second Congo War, expropriated thousands of white-owned farms, printed hundreds of trillions of Zimbabwean dollars triggering hyperinflation,[5] and has been accused of harassing and intimidating political opponents, particularly members of the Movement for Democratic Change.[6] Zimbabwe's economy spiraled downward,[7] with food and oil shortages,[8] and with massive internal displacement[9] and emigration.[10] During this period Mugabe's policies have been denounced in the West and at home as racist against Zimbabwe's white minority. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe I'll never forget a couple of years ago a picture I saw in the newspaper of a slain Brit. expat. farmer lying dead--with his Jack Russell Terrier who survived, cuddled up next to his masters dead body. Vigilantes, jealous of the white farmers went in and killed many of the farmers or forced them to flee with the idea to take over their farms and supposedly the money they were making. The people ended up being so uneducated they didn't even know how to operate the farms and now the farms have been taken over by ovegrowth. Such appalling ignorance. I'll never forget a couple of years ago a picture I saw in the newspaper of slain Iraqi children lying dead--with their mother alone beside them. Americans, mad with arrogance, went in and killed hundreds of thousands, or forced them to flee with the idea to take over their oil and supposedly the money they were making. The people ended up being so uneducated they didn't even know how to operate the oil business and now the oil fields have been taken over by groups aligned to the dictatorship in Iran. Such appalling ignorance. OffWorld I agree with you here Off. But you're completely missing the point. No one is defending the massively corrupt actions of US foreign policy these last years. (No one with half a brain that is.) But what does that have to do with MMY praising a brutal dictator? He praised all leaders and non-leaders, he never denounced anyone up until about 2002, He even praised brutal dicatators such as Reagan, Bush Snr. You didn't complain about that support do you. Reagan and Bush Snr. and other American regimes are the ones that sold WMD's to Iraq, upheld - at gun point - the Saudi dictatorship, brought down the democratically elected President of Iran, and helped the Ayotollas get in power, and they are the ones that got Mugabe to go nuts due to their interference everywhere - and the British too. Mugabe saw he was being manipulated by the corporate greed of the West and just went overboard. The most brutal dictaros are the corporations that dominate corrupt democracy as Maharishi called it. In addition, there are SOOOooo many brutal dictators that the US put in power that it is hard to put them
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Maharishi University of Management, Holland Celebrates the Dawn of a New World Order of Peace -the Rise of Perfection in World Politics and Economy Four Nations Identified as Embodying the Cardinal Qualities of an Ideal State An Historic Day of Great Celebration for the World Today, Maharishi University of Management celebrates the dawn of a New World Order of Peace, as demonstrated by the invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba, the freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, My God! Anybody who agrees that Mugabe represents 'freedom' is one sick fuck. That fact that the official TMO apparently put out this notice is just another blatant indication that the whole thing is an unconscionable perversion of spiritual teaching beyond the pale. It was an ancient announcement by Maharishi who congratulated every leader up until about 2002 or so when he pummelled Bush and Blair, the two headed dog. But you and the other dopes here fell for Rick's deliberate manipulation. Haven't you noticed...Fidel Castro in not in power right now. Apart from that, a lot of people thought Mugabe was a good guy in the beginning. Bullshit. Mugabe has been a tyrant and a killer since at least 1980. ---Mugabe rose to prominence in the 1960s as the Secretary general of the Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU). For many years in the 60s and 70s Mugabe was a political prisoner in Rhodesia. His goal was to replace white minority-rule with one-party Marxist regime. [2] He left Rhodesia in 1976 to join the Zimbabwe Liberation Struggle (Rhodesian Bush War) from bases in Mozambique. The war ended in 1979; emerging from this conflict, Mugabe was hailed by Africans as a hero. [3] [4] He won the general elections of 1980, the first in which the majority black Africans participated, amid reports of violent intimidation by the militant freedom fighters he now controlled. Mugabe then became the first Prime Minister of black-ruled Zimbabwe after calling for reconciliation between formerly warring parties, including the white people as well as rival parties. The early years of Mugabe's rule saw killings targeting the Ndebele tribe in the Matabeleland and Midlands areas of Zimbabwe. Since 1998 Mugabe's policies have increasingly elicited domestic and international denunciation. His government pursued a costly intervention in the Second Congo War, expropriated thousands of white-owned farms, printed hundreds of trillions of Zimbabwean dollars triggering hyperinflation,[5] and has been accused of harassing and intimidating political opponents, particularly members of the Movement for Democratic Change.[6] Zimbabwe's economy spiraled downward, [7] with food and oil shortages,[8] and with massive internal displacement[9] and emigration.[10] During this period Mugabe's policies have been denounced in the West and at home as racist against Zimbabwe's white minority. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe He's been a real disappointment to many people in the world who had high hopes. The sad thing is that South Africa appears to be going down the same route. Apart from the fact that Nelson Mandela has refused to condemn Mugabe, Former South African leader Nelson Mandela has added
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: The physics of flying is entirely mainstream physics Oh really! First of all it assumes that consciousness is the unified field. Not only is this not known it is also considered unlikely, and I mean unlikely to the point that it only gets mentioned in disparaging terms in physics. It *used* to be accepted as a possibility because experiments suggest that consciousness collapses waveforms in QP but as any other interaction can too the CasUF has been pushed back to the status of untestable oddity believed in by the What the bleep crowd because it's weird and spooky. and levitation due to super-conductor properties is even investigated by the US and other governments in different ways, but the same basic concept. I don't think yogic flying and superconductors are the same concept by a million miles. Sconductors involve cooling to near absolute zero and the electrons forming a repellant rather than attraction force. Yogic flying is, well, go see for yourself. Now if someone could actually fly that would be a proof that JH is right. A coherent system of energy can act independently of less coherent systems. This is basic and well accepted science. Hagalin merely points this out, and asks why would you draw the line for such coherence outside the human brain? According to Roger Penrose consciousness may be a quantum state because the organising power of the sub atomic world may give the brain the flexibility it needs. Howver, because of the localised nature of QP the coherence created wouldn't survive very far from it's source, and by very far he means billionths of an inch. I think more work needs to be done by the TMO if they are going to convince the mainstream that they have a theory of consciouness that can not only interact with the outside world but generate positivity in society at large. The first step is an unambigous demonstration that the ME actauuly works. C'mon Hugo, answer the question. What science do you use to limit the effects of coherence within an energy system such that you censure the human brain and body from such laws of physics, and then criminalize the laws of nature as you are trying to do, and outlaw them with a bounty on their head if they be found inside the bounds of the human body? Jyotish I have issues with, so where is your citation of your claim of what he says? Cite it please, or do something more useful with your life. Go to Africa, help the children. You are funny Offworld. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Quite agree, I heard a good argument against John McCain along these lines: If he believes in Intelligent Design as an alternative to natural selection, he must be so bad at judging evidence that how can you trust him to evaluate global warming or AIDS research. Err... Is that really your template for a good argument? Heavens above! Try substituting: McCain Newton ID Alchemy Natural selection Chemistry Aids etc Gravity Somewhat irrelevant I'm afraid as Newton isn't running for power and if he was and was saying we should ditch health research in favour of alchemy I might have something to say about that too ;-) But It's a very good argument against McCain. Because he has already demonstrated he in the pocket of fundie christians because he has said it would be OK to teach ID in schools. Trouble with your substitutions is, science has moved on and newton didn't have the lives of millions resting on decisions he makes. And Newton did a pretty good job with gravity. Not perfect but a pretty good job.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Maharishi University of Management, Holland Celebrates the Dawn of a New World Order of Peace -the Rise of Perfection in World Politics and Economy Four Nations Identified as Embodying the Cardinal Qualities of an Ideal State An Historic Day of Great Celebration for the World Today, Maharishi University of Management celebrates the dawn of a New World Order of Peace, as demonstrated by the invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba, the freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, My God! Anybody who agrees that Mugabe represents 'freedom' is one sick fuck. That fact that the official TMO apparently put out this notice is just another blatant indication that the whole thing is an unconscionable perversion of spiritual teaching beyond the pale. It was an ancient announcement by Maharishi who congratulated every leader up until about 2002 or so when he pummelled Bush and Blair, the two headed dog. But you and the other dopes here fell for Rick's deliberate manipulation. Haven't you noticed...Fidel Castro in not in power right now. Apart from that, a lot of people thought Mugabe was a good guy in the beginning. Bullshit. Mugabe has been a tyrant and a killer since at least 1980. ---Mugabe rose to prominence in the 1960s as the Secretary general of the Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU). For many years in the 60s and 70s Mugabe was a political prisoner in Rhodesia. His goal was to replace white minority-rule with one-party Marxist regime. [2] He left Rhodesia in 1976 to join the Zimbabwe Liberation Struggle (Rhodesian Bush War) from bases in Mozambique. The war ended in 1979; emerging from this conflict, Mugabe was hailed by Africans as a hero. [3] [4] He won the general elections of 1980, the first in which the majority black Africans participated, amid reports of violent intimidation by the militant freedom fighters he now controlled. Mugabe then became the first Prime Minister of black-ruled Zimbabwe after calling for reconciliation between formerly warring parties, including the white people as well as rival parties. The early years of Mugabe's rule saw killings targeting the Ndebele tribe in the Matabeleland and Midlands areas of Zimbabwe. Since 1998 Mugabe's policies have increasingly elicited domestic and international denunciation. His government pursued a costly intervention in the Second Congo War, expropriated thousands of white-owned farms, printed hundreds of trillions of Zimbabwean dollars triggering hyperinflation,[5] and has been accused of harassing and intimidating political opponents, particularly members of the Movement for Democratic Change.[6] Zimbabwe's economy spiraled downward, [7] with food and oil shortages,[8] and with massive internal displacement[9] and emigration.[10] During this period Mugabe's policies have been denounced in the West and at home as racist against Zimbabwe's white minority. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe He's been a real disappointment to many people in the world who had high
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, you're missing the point and trying to divert the issue which is that MMY praised a brutal dictator Mugabe, So, answer the question Off: Was MMY correct in praising Mugabe? No YOU are missing the point: Maharishi praised all leaders and non-leaders, he never denounced anyone up until about 2002, He even praised brutal dicatators such as Reagan, Bush Snr. He praised everyone. Because he firmly believed that with rising consciousness from coherence creating groups would purify all the gunk out of people's minds. So he praised everyone equally, because he was not one to judge. Let that be a lesson to you too. He was a role model in that regard. He just wanted coherence by whatever conduit. Do you get it now? OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Maharishi University of Management, Holland Celebrates the Dawn of a New World Order of Peace -the Rise of Perfection in World Politics and Economy Four Nations Identified as Embodying the Cardinal Qualities of an Ideal State An Historic Day of Great Celebration for the World Today, Maharishi University of Management celebrates the dawn of a New World Order of Peace, as demonstrated by the invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba, the freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, My God! Anybody who agrees that Mugabe represents 'freedom' is one sick fuck. That fact that the official TMO apparently put out this notice is just another blatant indication that the whole thing is an unconscionable perversion of spiritual teaching beyond the pale. It was an ancient announcement by Maharishi who congratulated every leader up until about 2002 or so when he pummelled Bush and Blair, the two headed dog. But you and the other dopes here fell for Rick's deliberate manipulation. Haven't you noticed...Fidel Castro in not in power right now. Apart from that, a lot of people thought Mugabe was a good guy in the beginning. Bullshit. Mugabe has been a tyrant and a killer since at least 1980. ---Mugabe rose to prominence in the 1960s as the Secretary general of the Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU). For many years in the 60s and 70s Mugabe was a political prisoner in Rhodesia. His goal was to replace white minority-rule with one-party Marxist regime. [2] He left Rhodesia in 1976 to join the Zimbabwe Liberation Struggle (Rhodesian Bush War) from bases in Mozambique. The war ended in 1979; emerging from this conflict, Mugabe was hailed by Africans as a hero. [3] [4] He won the general elections of 1980, the first in which the majority black Africans participated, amid reports of violent intimidation by the militant freedom fighters he now controlled. Mugabe then became the first Prime Minister of black-ruled Zimbabwe after calling for reconciliation between formerly warring parties, including the white people as well as rival parties. The early years of Mugabe's rule saw killings targeting the Ndebele tribe in the Matabeleland and Midlands areas of Zimbabwe. Since 1998 Mugabe's policies have increasingly elicited domestic and international denunciation. His government pursued a costly intervention in the Second Congo War, expropriated thousands of white-owned farms, printed hundreds of trillions of Zimbabwean dollars triggering hyperinflation,[5] and has been accused of harassing and intimidating political opponents, particularly members of the Movement for Democratic Change.[6] Zimbabwe's economy spiraled downward, [7] with food and oil shortages,[8] and with massive internal displacement[9] and emigration.[10] During this period Mugabe's policies have been denounced in the West and at home as racist against Zimbabwe's white minority. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: [snip] Wrong again, Magoo: The problem with that position is that it is dead wrong, something that anyone who spends a little time researching the subject would understand. Here are two efforts/comments by President Mandela that illustrate his concern for Zimbabwe over the 7+ years of this crisis. 1. Monday May 8, 2000, the Namibian paper picks up comments from President Mandela in Johannesburg in which he notes that some African leaders had liberated their countries and then overstayed their welcome. He noted in his comments that individuals like Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Pompeii, and Adolf Hitler had also been brought down by the ordinary masses. They want to die in power because they have committed crimes. The tyrant of the day can be destroyed by you and I. When asked whether he was talking about Mugabe, Mandela stated: Everybody here knows who I am talking about. YOU STUPID IDIOT! YOU ARE CONFIRMING MY POINT: MANDELA DID NOT I REPEAT DID NOT CONDEMN MUGABE. YOU SEE, IF HE ACTUALLY CONDEMNED MUGABE HE WOULD NOT HAVE SAID EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS WHO I AM TALKING ABOUT HE WOULD HAVE SAID I AM TALKING ABOUT MUGABE. 2. The Zimbabwe Independent paper noted in 2007 that President Mandela wrote and urged Mugabe to leave office before he was hounded like Chilean dictator Pinochet - Mugabe did not respond. President Mandela then sought to work with his peers in The Elders to engage Mugabe, former Secretary General Annan was nominated to act as their emissary, again without success. AGAIN CONFIRMING WHAT I SAID. THANK YOU. Magoo once again denies facts right in front of his eyes - by shouting. The above material I posted clearly shows Mandela's condemnation of Mugabe's behavior. He even compares Mugabe to other tyrants like Adolf Hitler. This is another example of Magoo's reputation for willful blindness when his goofy, fringe ideological assertions get challenged. LOL ...goofy, fringe, ideological assertions... Defending human rights is goofy and fringe? You're on the side of someone who should have spoken up but didn't...and you're doing everything you can to make excuses for him. All you have to do, idiot, is google three words: mandela mugabe silent and you'll see what that virtually everyone with any moral authority agrees with me and disagrees with you. Some of what you'll come up with is: http://www.slate.com/id/2193213/ http://tinyurl.com/3ztb9s http://tinyurl.com/3mhlgt Bongo Brazil, you are one mentally challenged individual. It is this type of thinking on your part that leads you to make anti-Semitic remarks and other racist utterances. Anyone who's bothered to read this exchange can clearly see that you're treading water, Magoo and denying the facts. The links you provided are *contradicted* by those facts. You just can't admit it. The material I posted clearly shows Mandela's condemnation of Mugabe's behavior. He even compares Mugabe to other tyrants like Adolf Hitler. And now you're so flustered at making a fool of yourself that you're resorting to distortions and lies. That's what fringe ideologues like you do when they get caught lying.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ [snip] YOU STUPID IDIOT! YOU ARE CONFIRMING MY POINT: MANDELA DID NOT I REPEAT DID NOT CONDEMN MUGABE. YOU SEE, IF HE ACTUALLY CONDEMNED MUGABE HE WOULD NOT HAVE SAID EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS WHO I AM TALKING ABOUT HE WOULD HAVE SAID I AM TALKING ABOUT MUGABE. No need to shout. OffWorld That's not shouting. THIS IS SHOUTING!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought evil needed to actually have an influence to be considered evil-- Why not let the techniques continue and see what happens? Right Jim, why not see what happens. If TM theory is right - blame the laws of nature for it - because then it would work that way without INTENTION. If its wrong, as you seem to think - why getting all paranoid? Or are they worried about what they (the Tmers) THINK? Well, then its 1 finger pointing to them and 3 pointing back - because they (Turq, etc) obviously want to change their (TMers) thinking. In either way this discussion doesn't make much sense. So what if a few folks think this result or that result have occurred? Until someone literally puts a gun to my head, I am not concerned in the least-- IME, the whole of nature has never conspired against a group of people identified by another group of people. Its so absurd, because you then would have to apply it equally to anyone praying for peace - s/he wants to change the minds of people without 'discussing'. It seems that CHANGING MINDS is only allowed as an intellectual, rational activity. In my experience this is never what happens. This is like the mind saying: There is nothing beyond me. In fact its the perversity of the mind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Again, you're missing the point and trying to divert the issue which is that MMY praised a brutal dictator Mugabe, So, answer the question Off: Was MMY correct in praising Mugabe? In keeping with his overall strategy, I think he was consistent in praising Mugabe-- hoping to succeed as he did rarely with national governments to get them to adopt TM within the government (I think this only worked with Costa Rica and...was it Mozambique?). He certainly wouldn't have gotten very far just outright condemning them, so he tried flattery instead.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: I thought evil needed to actually have an influence to be considered evil-- Why not let the techniques continue and see what happens? Right Jim, why not see what happens. If TM theory is right - blame the laws of nature for it - because then it would work that way without INTENTION. If its wrong, as you seem to think - why getting all paranoid? I personally think the TM theory is correct, though also non- quantifiable, nor provable, at least scientifically, so there we are. Or are they worried about what they (the Tmers) THINK? Well, then its 1 finger pointing to them and 3 pointing back - because they (Turq, etc) obviously want to change their (TMers) thinking. In either way this discussion doesn't make much sense. So what if a few folks think this result or that result have occurred? Until someone literally puts a gun to my head, I am not concerned in the least-- IME, the whole of nature has never conspired against a group of people identified by another group of people. Its so absurd, because you then would have to apply it equally to anyone praying for peace - s/he wants to change the minds of people without 'discussing'. It seems that CHANGING MINDS is only allowed as an intellectual, rational activity. In my experience this is never what happens. This is like the mind saying: There is nothing beyond me. In fact its the perversity of the mind. Agreed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: The physics of flying is entirely mainstream physics Oh really! First of all it assumes that consciousness is the unified field. No it doesn't. Not even necessary. and levitation due to super-conductor properties is even investigated by the US and other governments in different ways, but the same basic concept. I don't think yogic flying and superconductors are the same concept by a million miles. You may think that, and you may even be correct. Who knows. I was just stating the rationale of Hagelin's THEORY in physics. That coherent systems can act independently of surroundings. Coherent systems that act independently or purify are found in every thing from biological systems, environmental systems, and chemical systems. So Hagelin theorizes that this could happen with the human body at a powerful level Now if someone could actually fly that would be a proof that JH is right. There is no proof. He is talking about a theory of why it could be possible. Do you see the difference? He sees the correlations and is not closed minded on it. It is a THEORY of his, and he has a lot of rational and physics to back it up. I would love to see him in a fair and balanced telivised debate with Penrose, Hawkings, and Hawkins (the biologist guy) With maybe Fred travis involved I think it would be the most fascinating debate ever. A coherent system of energy can act independently of less coherent systems. This is basic and well accepted science. Hagalin merely points this out, and asks why would you draw the line for such coherence outside the human brain? According to Roger Penrose consciousness may be a quantum state because the organising power of the sub atomic world may give the brain the flexibility it needs. Howver, because of the localised nature of QP the coherence created wouldn't survive very far from it's source, and by very far he means billionths of an inch. At the Quantum level, as Penrose should know, action at a great distance, even light years, is mainstream accepted science, and there is NO WAY under the sun that he can predict at this point the 'distance' of quantum effects. This is beyond a joke to say such a thing and Penrose knows that what he is saying is BS. He just wants to keep what he has realised as inescapable reality to an acceptable and hands-on level so that he doesn't get side-tracked and so that others don't get put off. Anyway, for the coherence in an energy system (which is what the body is) to act independently in response to a meticulously practiced effortless projected input, that organizes the system, does not require any distance problem. That is the whole point of coherence in any system. It becomes more powerful and impervious to forces around it, and could even create its own impervious environment in theory. You can see this in nature everywhere. I think more work needs to be done by the TMO if they are going to convince the mainstream that they have a theory of consciouness that can not only interact with the outside world but generate positivity in society at large. The first step is an unambigous demonstration that the ME actauuly works. I agree. Fred Travis did it twice in the International Journal of Neuroscience, but was largely ignored as a novelty. I think TM people wanted to do more but Maharishi thought there were too many variables to isolate for one local, and people would claim other reasons anyway, and so he just went gung-ho to change the whole palnet system instead, and put in place some very far out concepts to capture the future with. Not worry about how crazy it sounds in the present. Total genius. However, if people like Penrose live long enough they themselves will be the ones to connect consciousness and field effects, and then the pseudo-buddhists like Vaj will claim it as proof of their unproven methods anyway, and like a thief, try to steal everything. Fortunately he will fail. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ [snip] YOU STUPID IDIOT! YOU ARE CONFIRMING MY POINT: MANDELA DID NOT I REPEAT DID NOT CONDEMN MUGABE. YOU SEE, IF HE ACTUALLY CONDEMNED MUGABE HE WOULD NOT HAVE SAID EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS WHO I AM TALKING ABOUT HE WOULD HAVE SAID I AM TALKING ABOUT MUGABE. No need to shout. OffWorld That's not shouting. THIS IS SHOUTING! No this is: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xQHkDBqnvwE http://youtube.com/watch?v=xQHkDBqnvwE OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally think the TM theory is correct, though also non- quantifiable, nor provable, at least scientifically, so there we are. Actually I didn't mean you, but THEM. I realized my mistake right after. :-) To continue: I have experienced how saints can change your mind - without discussion or anything. They can actually change the way you think and feel about things and change the structure of your samskaras. Of course they do this when you have surrendered. Mother Meera says this in her book: I also change the will and character of people' (The Mother, p44; she says this after a reflection how God changed her will to stay permanently with him.) All phenomenon of Shakti-path and initiation can be seen in this way, as the are non-verbal.
[FairfieldLife] Ron Paul on Thom Hartmann's Show
You Ron Paul fans (as well as Thom Hartmann fans) will be interested in the interview Thom had with Paul at the beginning of his second hour this morning. Hartmann was pinning Paul down on his privatization stance since Thom is a strong believer in keeping things that should be in the commons under control of government rather than privatized (I agree with Thom). Paul on the other had kept responding that so far government has done a bad job. Problem is that is the Cheniac government that has done the bad job. The hour two podcast should be available here later today: http://green960.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=hartmann.xml
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vin Daczynski: Lakshmanjoo's weather-changing siddhi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Definitely, I agree: (this is the job of a Yogi): So India has been the country with most of the yogis, but the climate there is not especially great. From Wikipedia on climate in India: As in much of the tropics, monsoonal and other weather conditions in India are unstable: major droughts, floods, cyclones and other natural disasters are sporadic, but have killed or displaced millions. Fire the yogis! Its not nice to fool mother nature. ;)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: Again, you're missing the point and trying to divert the issue which is that MMY praised a brutal dictator Mugabe, So, answer the question Off: Was MMY correct in praising Mugabe? No YOU are missing the point: Maharishi praised all leaders and non-leaders, he never denounced anyone up until about 2002, He even praised brutal dicatators such as Reagan, Bush Snr. He praised everyone. Because he firmly believed that with rising consciousness from coherence creating groups would purify all the gunk out of people's minds. So he praised everyone equally, because he was not one to judge. Let that be a lesson to you too. He was a role model in that regard. He just wanted coherence by whatever conduit. Do you get it now? OffWorld Sure do. You won't answer the question. (Not that I give a rip any more.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
May I suggest that you look up the word military in the dictionary since you appear to be somewhat confused as to its meaning? As an over-the-top rant, I found this quite entertaining, but it is not to be confused with serious analysis. Your extremism and vehemence tell me more about you than about the TMO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A bash-the-TMO-as-Nazis fest seems to have broken out here this morning. Guyfawkes, when you say military organization, I think you mean political. I see no guns. Also, I'm unconvinced by your application of the Nazi-evoking words untermenschen and subhuman to TMO attitudes to people. I think that's over the top by several miles. Nope, I used the word military because that's exactly what I meant. Political organizations think in terms of convincing people, maybe by dubious means, maybe by emotion rather than reason but they're still thinking in terms of opening a dialog with the outside world, reaching out and convincing people. Military organizations don't have such girlie ideas, they think in terms of let's kick ass and blast the fuckers to kingdom come. The TMO used to think in terms of having a dialog with the rest of the world and there are still traces of that. But mostly it thinks in terms of let's kick ass and blast the fuckers into Sat Yuga with group coherence. People are pumping millions into weapons development in the form of pundits and super-advanced technologies of the unified field. Scarcely a single cent is being spent on building up academic credibility and a good name in society. In fact the TMO has thrown away most of it's credibility because it was thought to be for sissies and the low life who worry about public appearances, factual accuracy and logical consistency. Ethics? Ha! you're so un-evolved, we don't need ethics we've got pundits! Why waste time on such boring things as ethical behavior and reasoned argument when we can just blast people with pundits chanting. People don't think in terms of how to communicate properly or how to put up a reasoned argument. They think in terms of Super-radiance numbers. There's a very direct interpretation of Super-radiance numbers as mega-coherence units and blast radii and that makes it very transparent what the mode of thinking is. Already we're hearing talk of collateral damage. People are telling themselves that if others can't behave as prescribed by the TMO then it's right that they should have their homes flooded by mother nature. Even though there's no relation between the weather and super-radiance people who believe there is think that wrecking people's lives is worth it for the sake of conquest by a higher force. That is military thinking. The TMO is a military organization. Just because they don't use physical weapons doesn't mean they're thinking in political terms. The command structure, the power plays, the buildings, the language, everything right down the the paranoia about secret agents is military. If someone was introduced as General Gordon of the Invincibility Forces of Iowa no one in the TMO would bat an eyelid, the role would slot right in to the existing structure. It's such a subtle thing that most people haven't realized it's happened. Once we were an educational organization dedicated to spreading ideas through dialog and discussion. But we aren't anymore, now the goal is conquest without discussion. That is military thinking. It's a good idea poisoned by the essence of evil, the belief that one group has a right to dominate everyone else without asking them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: snip Again, you're missing the point and trying to divert the issue which is that MMY praised a brutal dictator Mugabe, So, answer the question Off: Was MMY correct in praising Mugabe? In keeping with his overall strategy, I think he was consistent in praising Mugabe-- hoping to succeed as he did rarely with national governments to get them to adopt TM within the government (I think this only worked with Costa Rica and...was it Mozambique?). He certainly wouldn't have gotten very far just outright condemning them, so he tried flattery instead. Condemning him as he did Bush you mean? (Which I completely agree with BTW.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ [snip] YOU STUPID IDIOT! YOU ARE CONFIRMING MY POINT: MANDELA DID NOT I REPEAT DID NOT CONDEMN MUGABE. YOU SEE, IF HE ACTUALLY CONDEMNED MUGABE HE WOULD NOT HAVE SAID EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS WHO I AM TALKING ABOUT HE WOULD HAVE SAID I AM TALKING ABOUT MUGABE. No need to shout. OffWorld That's not shouting. THIS IS SHOUTING! No this is: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xQHkDBqnvwE http://youtube.com/watch?v=xQHkDBqnvwE OffWorld If this is the type of shite you grew up listening to on that cold, dreary little island, it explains alot.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The inflationary aspect was pointed out to them by many, including myself, all I got was a patronising Maharishi knows what he is doing. Too many found that easier than thinking for themselves. Luckily they never got to try the idea. Cool. Someone actually had an on point response. I am not educated on the money system but I have an understanding of how inflation works and the press release shows that the TMO did not. Sometimes it is hard to know how sophisticated the various TMOs are on various real world issues. They sure knew how to create an impenetrable organizational structure. But maybe it wasn't all intentional. How good are the TMO lawyers and accountants anyway?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: I thought evil needed to actually have an influence to be considered evil-- Why not let the techniques continue and see what happens? Right Jim, why not see what happens. If TM theory is right - blame the laws of nature for it - because then it would work that way without INTENTION. If its wrong, as you seem to think - why getting all paranoid? Or are they worried about what they (the Tmers) THINK? Well, then its 1 finger pointing to them and 3 pointing back - because they (Turq, etc) obviously want to change their (TMers) thinking. In either way this discussion doesn't make much sense. Michael, Michael, Michael. WHEN are you going to learn? I'm not trying to change what you think. I'm not trying to change what TMers think. I only expressed what *I* think, as I thought it. As far as I can tell, it's YOU who is so challenged and threatened by what I think that you perceive it as an attempt to change what you think. Once more -- I don't CARE what you think. I don't CARE what you believe. What you think and believe has no more meaning or importance in my life than what the flea my dog just scratched off his butt thinks and believes. YOU have no more meaning or importance in my life that that flea. Are we clear now? So what if a few folks think this result or that result have occurred? Until someone literally puts a gun to my head, I am not concerned in the least-- IME, the whole of nature has never conspired against a group of people identified by another group of people. Its so absurd, because you then would have to apply it equally to anyone praying for peace - s/he wants to change the minds of people without 'discussing'. It seems that CHANGING MINDS is only allowed as an intellectual, rational activity. It doesn't MATTER how it is done. It's the belief that it should be done that is questionable in my view. To believe that you have the right -- or even sadder and sicker, the duty -- to change other people's minds is the problem IMO. To believe that you have the right or the duty to change someone else's mind and get them to believe what you believe, you pretty much have to believe that you are right, that you know The Truth. I don't. I never have, and I never will. ANYTHING I say is my opinion, and my opinion alone. UNLIKE YOU, I do NOT assume that my opinion is correct or right or -- even worse -- The Truth. That's what fanatics believe. If you'd like to believe that you know The Truth, and you'd like to spend your life trying to change the minds of others -- either in words or using magical woo woo -- to make them see and believe The Truth as you perceive it, well...go for it. I hope it makes you happy. But don't expect me to respect you for having so little humility as to spend your life that way. I have more respect for the flea. Me, I've got better things to do than to go around try- ing to get people to believe my opinions. My life is full enough trying to figure out what my opinions ARE, and that's a tough enough task, because those opinions change from day to day, and sometimes even faster. PLEASE stop with this You're trying to change my mind paranoia. I'm not. Even though it sure sounds to me as if yours could use a change. It's been spouting the same old paranoia for some time now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 1, 2008, at 10:25 AM, off_world_beings wrote: You are a complete opportunist Vaj. That study is like mixing in a pot, some ice-cream, cabbage, chocolate, hot peppers, and tripe, and then claiming that chocolate doesn't taste good. I'm afraid you still are bumbling around in the dark trying to find studies against TM after many many years of trying. Actually that's not at all what I'm doing. The study speaks for itself and is really nothing new or even surprising to objective observers. That study is like mixing in a pot, some ice-cream, cabbage, chocolate, hot peppers, and tripe, and then claiming that chocolate doesn't taste good. OffWorld So dear off, have you read it? It is easy to find and quite interesting. Off, I have not yet figured out if you are: --a troll who doesn't believe a word of what they say but loves screwing with us, or --a ranter who is so entrenched in his beliefs that he can't see other points of view. Do you meditate? Regularly? What is your program? You have read the TMO research yes? What do you think are some of its weaknesses?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: I personally think the TM theory is correct, though also non- quantifiable, nor provable, at least scientifically, so there we are. Actually I didn't mean you, but THEM. I realized my mistake right after. :-) To continue: I have experienced how saints can change your mind - without discussion or anything. They can actually change the way you think and feel about things and change the structure of your samskaras. Of course they do this when you have surrendered. Yes, I have not analyzed the result to such a degree, but have experienced it countless times. Funnily enough, it took me years before I could follow a talk by Maharishi without losing my train of thought in the middle of what he was saying. Also happens to a lesser degree from any strong sensory experience-- walking into a perfumed scent, for example. Mother Meera says this in her book: I also change the will and character of people' (The Mother, p44; she says this after a reflection how God changed her will to stay permanently with him.) All phenomenon of Shakti-path and initiation can be seen in this way, as the are non-verbal.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: snip Again, you're missing the point and trying to divert the issue which is that MMY praised a brutal dictator Mugabe, So, answer the question Off: Was MMY correct in praising Mugabe? In keeping with his overall strategy, I think he was consistent in praising Mugabe-- hoping to succeed as he did rarely with national governments to get them to adopt TM within the government (I think this only worked with Costa Rica and...was it Mozambique?). He certainly wouldn't have gotten very far just outright condemning them, so he tried flattery instead. Condemning him as he did Bush you mean? (Which I completely agree with BTW.) That came later in his sequence of attempts-- He decided Bush was unredeemable (had holes in his brain). He came to the same conclusion about the global scientific community late in his life as well, after initially declaring that through the window of science...well you get the picture...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought evil needed to actually have an influence to be considered evil-- Why not let the techniques continue and see what happens? So what if a few folks think this result or that result have occurred? Until someone literally puts a gun to my head, I am not concerned in the least-- IME, the whole of nature has never conspired against a group of people identified by another group of people. It would be fine if it was just the technique. But it is the way it is sold and all the rest of the kaboodle is sold. To repeat part of the quote from Dick's novel: They identify with God's power and believe they are godlike. That is their basic madness. They are overcome by some archtype; their egos have expanded psychotically so that they cannot tell where they begin and the godhead leaves off. It is not hubris, not pride; it is the inflation of the ego to its ultimate -- confusion between him who worships and that which is worshipped. This is the narcissism that is so prevalent in MMY and the TMO. So, if you are godlike, you cannot err. So if you lie, it must be ok if you believe is good for the hoi polloi. End result, I cannot trust a word the TMO says. When I hear people like Hagelin talk, I see that he is overcome by some archtype. He has gone so far off the edge that I cannot trust him at all, not one little bit, as a scientist. This attitude has hurt people. People become so convinced of their godness that they think they have magic powers. I know a TB who believes that she will eventually no longer suffer from a chronic illness and forgoes western medical care. Now people may say: no one said she should go without medical care. True, but there is such a strong belief in some TBs that they will rule nature that they see no need for western care and they distrust it. I have seen another TB I know make investment decisions based upon how many people were meditating in Fairfield. Thanks Turq for the wonderful post.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: snip Again, you're missing the point and trying to divert the issue which is that MMY praised a brutal dictator Mugabe, So, answer the question Off: Was MMY correct in praising Mugabe? In keeping with his overall strategy, I think he was consistent in praising Mugabe-- hoping to succeed as he did rarely with national governments to get them to adopt TM within the government (I think this only worked with Costa Rica and...was it Mozambique?). He certainly wouldn't have gotten very far just outright condemning them, so he tried flattery instead. So the end justifies the means.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
On Jul 1, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Hugo wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: The physics of flying is entirely mainstream physics Oh really! First of all it assumes that consciousness is the unified field. Not only is this not known it is also considered unlikely, and I mean unlikely to the point that it only gets mentioned in disparaging terms in physics. That's probably because that anyone sufficiently familiar with both physics and yogic literature in theory and in practice will know that it's very unlikely that consciousness is the unified field. It's actually more likely that prana is the Unified Field to use their lingo. It sounds to me like you're just parroting what you've been told with little or any independent thought on what's being said. What you believe is a rank and file version of the TM mythos--it's nothing new, it's actually rather old and improbable. I seriously doubt you've had any formal training in physics or advanced mathematics to really know if you've been bamboozled or not. It *used* to be accepted as a possibility because experiments suggest that consciousness collapses waveforms in QP but as any other interaction can too the CasUF has been pushed back to the status of untestable oddity believed in by the What the bleep crowd because it's weird and spooky. and levitation due to super-conductor properties is even investigated by the US and other governments in different ways, but the same basic concept. I don't think yogic flying and superconductors are the same concept by a million miles. Sconductors involve cooling to near absolute zero and the electrons forming a repellant rather than attraction force. Yogic flying is, well, go see for yourself. Now if someone could actually fly that would be a proof that JH is right. A coherent system of energy can act independently of less coherent systems. This is basic and well accepted science. Hagalin merely points this out, and asks why would you draw the line for such coherence outside the human brain? According to Roger Penrose consciousness may be a quantum state because the organising power of the sub atomic world may give the brain the flexibility it needs. Howver, because of the localised nature of QP the coherence created wouldn't survive very far from it's source, and by very far he means billionths of an inch. Actually Penrose's most recent work is based on observations of eastern and western Buddhist yogis in coherent high-amplitude gamma samadhi (the same thing is seen in legitimate Patanjali yogins). It's called the Penrose-Hameroff Orch OR model of consciousness. Even if you get totally titillated by this razzle dazzle science, it's important to remember that they're just models and they're just theories. The important thing is to have a practice that is capable of producing them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once more -- I don't CARE what you think. I don't CARE what you believe. What you think and believe has no more meaning or importance in my life than what the flea my dog just scratched off his butt thinks and believes. YOU have no more meaning or importance in my life that that flea. Really? Then why are you here? Why have you been talking about this stuff for years? All of you are more important to me than a flea. On this site, I might or might not try to change someone's mind. I might be looking for information. I might simply be curious about how others think. I am here because I do care what people think.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
On Jul 1, 2008, at 4:10 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: --a ranter who is so entrenched in his beliefs that he can't see other points of view. ding (bell rings) :-) Do you meditate? Regularly? What is your program? Off World is a TM sidha.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turq, many years ago when I was an MIU student I read this novel and that exact same paragraph jumped out at me and helped me understand what was wrong with MMY and the TMO. It was the idea of the lived reality over the actual lived reality. Carl Jung also spoke about this after he visited the USA and spoke with some Navajo elders. These elders told him that the White man thought up here and pointed to their head instead of thinking here, pointing to their heart. Jung saw it as the neurosis of modern man. Lost in a world of idealized concepts that destroy the lived reality of those very same concepts. So, what did you do next?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
On Jul 1, 2008, at 2:37 PM, off_world_beings wrote: However, if people like Penrose live long enough they themselves will be the ones to connect consciousness and field effects, and then the pseudo-buddhists like Vaj will claim it as proof of their unproven methods anyway, and like a thief, try to steal everything. Fortunately he will fail. Please see a previous email on the Penrose-Hameroff Orch OR theory of consciousness before you decide who'd pseudo and who's not...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: snip Again, you're missing the point and trying to divert the issue which is that MMY praised a brutal dictator Mugabe, So, answer the question Off: Was MMY correct in praising Mugabe? In keeping with his overall strategy, I think he was consistent in praising Mugabe-- hoping to succeed as he did rarely with national governments to get them to adopt TM within the government (I think this only worked with Costa Rica and...was it Mozambique?). He certainly wouldn't have gotten very far just outright condemning them, so he tried flattery instead. So the end justifies the means. Only Maharishi can answer that. I am not defending what Maharishi did, just providing an explanation for what he did.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So what if a few folks think this result or that result have occurred? Until someone literally puts a gun to my head, I am not concerned in the least-- IME, the whole of nature has never conspired against a group of people identified by another group of people. Its so absurd, because you then would have to apply it equally to anyone praying for peace - s/he wants to change the minds of people without 'discussing'. It seems that CHANGING MINDS is only allowed as an intellectual, rational activity. In my experience this is never what happens. This is like the mind saying: There is nothing beyond me. In fact its the perversity of the mind. It would be egotistical of me to judge people giving their lives to what I might find to be pointless spiritual pursuits. The cloistered nuns in prayer.Monks meditating their lives away. The Tm'ers on the Invincible America course. But when they are friends or relatives I can worry about them if they aren't taking care of themselves. Much better than pimping the pursuit as science, or the one and true way. I have much more respect for the siddha going to the domes everyday on the Invincible America program than I do of Nader, Bevan, Haglin, et. al.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: snip Again, you're missing the point and trying to divert the issue which is that MMY praised a brutal dictator Mugabe, So, answer the question Off: Was MMY correct in praising Mugabe? In keeping with his overall strategy, I think he was consistent in praising Mugabe-- hoping to succeed as he did rarely with national governments to get them to adopt TM within the government (I think this only worked with Costa Rica and...was it Mozambique?). He certainly wouldn't have gotten very far just outright condemning them, so he tried flattery instead. So the end justifies the means. Only Maharishi can answer that. I am not defending what Maharishi did, just providing an explanation for what he did. That's fine and I am not picking on you. But what do you think personally?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
On Jul 1, 2008, at 5:24 PM, Vaj wrote: On Jul 1, 2008, at 2:37 PM, off_world_beings wrote: However, if people like Penrose live long enough they themselves will be the ones to connect consciousness and field effects, and then the pseudo-buddhists like Vaj will claim it as proof of their unproven methods anyway, and like a thief, try to steal everything. Fortunately he will fail. Please see a previous email on the Penrose-Hameroff Orch OR theory of consciousness before you decide who'd pseudo and who's not... http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/penrose-hameroff/orchOR.html Link
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: I thought evil needed to actually have an influence to be considered evil-- Why not let the techniques continue and see what happens? So what if a few folks think this result or that result have occurred? Until someone literally puts a gun to my head, I am not concerned in the least-- IME, the whole of nature has never conspired against a group of people identified by another group of people. It would be fine if it was just the technique. But it is the way it is sold and all the rest of the kaboodle is sold. To repeat part of the quote from Dick's novel: They identify with God's power and believe they are godlike. That is their basic madness. They are overcome by some archtype; their egos have expanded psychotically so that they cannot tell where they begin and the godhead leaves off. It is not hubris, not pride; it is the inflation of the ego to its ultimate -- confusion between him who worships and that which is worshipped. This is the narcissism that is so prevalent in MMY and the TMO. So, if you are godlike, you cannot err. So if you lie, it must be ok if you believe is good for the hoi polloi. End result, I cannot trust a word the TMO says. When I hear people like Hagelin talk, I see that he is overcome by some archtype. He has gone so far off the edge that I cannot trust him at all, not one little bit, as a scientist. This attitude has hurt people. People become so convinced of their godness that they think they have magic powers. I know a TB who believes that she will eventually no longer suffer from a chronic illness and forgoes western medical care. Now people may say: no one said she should go without medical care. True, but there is such a strong belief in some TBs that they will rule nature that they see no need for western care and they distrust it. I have seen another TB I know make investment decisions based upon how many people were meditating in Fairfield. Thanks Turq for the wonderful post. I indulged in magical thinking at one point in my life-- nothing wrong with it, since experience teaches the practitioner *very quickly* whether or not it works. So wtf, let the folks who want to do it, do it. What deal is it of yours, or Turq's anyway? Life is a process of learning, and that includes f*cking up big time on occasion, imo. Have you ever not done something just because someone told you not to? I haven't; either it just felt so wrong I couldn't do it, like killing someone, or I tried it anyway and took the consequences, like burning my finger with a match.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: snip Again, you're missing the point and trying to divert the issue which is that MMY praised a brutal dictator Mugabe, So, answer the question Off: Was MMY correct in praising Mugabe? In keeping with his overall strategy, I think he was consistent in praising Mugabe-- hoping to succeed as he did rarely with national governments to get them to adopt TM within the government (I think this only worked with Costa Rica and...was it Mozambique?). He certainly wouldn't have gotten very far just outright condemning them, so he tried flattery instead. So the end justifies the means. Only Maharishi can answer that. I am not defending what Maharishi did, just providing an explanation for what he did. That's fine and I am not picking on you. But what do you think personally? My answer may drive you nuts, but since it already happened, I am OK with it. IME, it makes life unbearable to fight the past.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Once more -- I don't CARE what you think. I don't CARE what you believe. What you think and believe has no more meaning or importance in my life than what the flea my dog just scratched off his butt thinks and believes. YOU have no more meaning or importance in my life that that flea. Really? Then why are you here? Why have you been talking about this stuff for years? Because I seem to have no choice but to think about this stuff, and this place gives me a place to think about it onscreen, and get feedback. The feedback causes more thinking, etc. But it really isn't to convince anyone of anything, merely to play with ideas. All of you are more important to me than a flea. On this site, I might or might not try to change someone's mind. I might be looking for information. I might simply be curious about how others think. I am here because I do care what people think. Cool. I don't. As I said, I'm trying to figure out what I think.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What deal is it of yours, or Turq's anyway? Life is a process of learning, and that includes f*cking up big time on occasion, imo. Good and fair question! Yes, life is a process of learning and we learn when we err. But we also are pained when those we care about make what we think is a terrible mistake. But yes, unless they are incompetent they will make their mistakes. So, why do I care? Back in the early 1970s my friends and I learned TM. I really pumped it up. Oddly, all these friends ended up siddhas except for me. Some ended up TBs, one is the woman I mentioned before who has an illness and won't except treatment that would make her life much easier. It isn't like she is going to die of the illness, but she has symptoms that could be controlled which would make her life better (in my mind). So I think about her and the others I knew back then, like my first husband, who also turned into a TB. Neither seem happy. They are not bliss ninnies. And as you say, life is a process of learning and I am here to learn. Have you ever not done something just because someone told you not to? I haven't; either it just felt so wrong I couldn't do it, like killing someone, or I tried it anyway and took the consequences, like burning my finger with a match. Oh yes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Philip K. Dick's writings about Fairfield Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Once more -- I don't CARE what you think. I don't CARE what you believe. What you think and believe has no more meaning or importance in my life than what the flea my dog just scratched off his butt thinks and believes. YOU have no more meaning or importance in my life that that flea. Really? Then why are you here? Why have you been talking about this stuff for years? Because I seem to have no choice but to think about this stuff, and this place gives me a place to think about it onscreen, and get feedback. The feedback causes more thinking, etc. But it really isn't to convince anyone of anything, merely to play with ideas. All of you are more important to me than a flea. On this site, I might or might not try to change someone's mind. I might be looking for information. I might simply be curious about how others think. I am here because I do care what people think. Cool. I don't. As I said, I'm trying to figure out what I think. Fair enough. I think I care what people think because I truly want to change how certain people think. Hopeless endeavor, eh?
[FairfieldLife] The Square root of 1% -- The Movie
The Square root of 1% -- The Movie http://youtube.com/watch?v=bwIYBO1RgD4 http://youtube.com/watch?v=bwIYBO1RgD4 OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ [snip] YOU STUPID IDIOT! YOU ARE CONFIRMING MY POINT: MANDELA DID NOT I REPEAT DID NOT CONDEMN MUGABE. YOU SEE, IF HE ACTUALLY CONDEMNED MUGABE HE WOULD NOT HAVE SAID EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS WHO I AM TALKING ABOUT HE WOULD HAVE SAID I AM TALKING ABOUT MUGABE. No need to shout. OffWorld That's not shouting. THIS IS SHOUTING! No this is: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xQHkDBqnvwE http://youtube.com/watch?v=xQHkDBqnvwE http://youtube.com/watch?v=xQHkDBqnvwE http://youtube.com/watch?v=xQHkDBqnvwE OffWorld If this is the type of shite you grew up listening to on that cold, dreary little island, it explains alot. That cold dreary Island that owns Canada you dumb fuck, which gave you refugee status when you went AWOL in the 1960's, and which is now in the process of buying up everything in the USA. Oh...that cold dreary place, with one of the most temperate climates in the world (we have everything from tundra to cactus and palm trees growing happily in Scotland) -- not like that place full of biting insects in the summer, frozen wasteland in winter, part of the prairies of Canada that you are hiding out in...eh? OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 1, 2008, at 10:25 AM, off_world_beings wrote: You are a complete opportunist Vaj. That study is like mixing in a pot, some ice-cream, cabbage, chocolate, hot peppers, and tripe, and then claiming that chocolate doesn't taste good. I'm afraid you still are bumbling around in the dark trying to find studies against TM after many many years of trying. Actually that's not at all what I'm doing. The study speaks for itself and is really nothing new or even surprising to objective observers. That study is like mixing in a pot, some ice-cream, cabbage, chocolate, hot peppers, and tripe, and then claiming that chocolate doesn't taste good. OffWorld So dear off, have you read it? It is easy to find and quite interesting. Yes, that study is like mixing in a pot, some ice-cream, cabbage, chocolate,hot peppers, and tripe, and then tasting it and claiming that chocolate doesn't taste good. Off, I have not yet figured out if you are: --a troll who doesn't believe a word of what they say but loves screwing with us Yes --a ranter who is so entrenched in his beliefs that he can't see other points of view. Yes Do you meditate? Regularly? What is your program? Yes You have read the TMO research yes? What do you think are some of its weaknesses? Yes. Not enough of it to satisfy the naysayers. You could have 10,000 studies published in respected peer-reviewed journals around the world conducted by independent institutions, and people like Vaj, Turq, Smirk, and Jerk would STILL be ranting on in the same way as they do now. It doesn't matter how strong it is, or how much of it, they are part of an anti-TM small minded cult that denies science. No different from anti-evolutionists or the effects of pollution on the environement and health. They are what is termed by people of themodern era - ignorant And that is the bottom line here: It doesn't matter how strong it is, or how much of it, they are part of an anti-TM small minded cult that denies science. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-science conservatives must be stopped
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 1, 2008, at 2:37 PM, off_world_beings wrote: However, if people like Penrose live long enough they themselves will be the ones to connect consciousness and field effects, and then the pseudo-buddhists like Vaj will claim it as proof of their unproven methods anyway, and like a thief, try to steal everything. Fortunately he will fail. Please see a previous email on the Penrose-Hameroff Orch OR theory of consciousness before you decide who'd pseudo and who's not... Vaj, I've been reading that stuff LONG before you even knew who Penrose was ! You don't even undertand the ORCH model. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Square root of 1% -- The Movie
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Square root of 1% -- The Movie http://youtube.com/watch?v=bwIYBO1RgD4 http://youtube.com/watch?v=bwIYBO1RgD4 OffWorld Pretty cool, great sound track, I'd give it a thumbs up!!
