[FairfieldLife] Carlos Castaneda on self-importance and petty tyrants

[turquoiseb]

Just in case anyone finds his words relevant to life on Fairfield Life:

Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it--what weakens us
is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellow men. Our
self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by
someone.

Every effort should be made to eradicate self-importance from the lives
of warriors. Without self-importance we are invulnerable.

Self-importance can't be fought with niceties.

Seers are divided into two categories. Those who are willing to exercise
self-restraint and can channel their activities toward pragmatic goals,
which would benefit other seers and man in general, and those who don't
care about self-restraint or about any pragmatic goals. The latter have
failed to resolve the problem of self-importance.

Self-importance is not something simple and naive. On the one hand, it
is the core of everything that is good in us, and on the other hand, the
core of everything that is rotten. To get rid of the self-importance
that is rotten requires a masterpiece of strategy.

In order to follow the path of knowledge one has to be very imaginative.
In the path of knowledge nothing is as clear as we'd like it to be.
Warriors fight self-importance as a matter of strategy, not principle.

Impeccability is nothing else but the proper use of energy. My
statements have no inkling of morality. I've saved energy and that makes
me impeccable. To understand this, you have to save enough energy
yourself.

Warriors take strategic inventories. They list everything they do. Then
they decide which of those things can be changed in order to allow
themselves a respite, in terms of expending their energy.

The strategic inventory covers only behavioral patterns that are not
essential to our survival and well-being.

In the strategic inventories of warriors, self-importance figures as the
activity that consumes the greatest amount of energy, hence, their
effort to eradicate it.

One of the first concerns of warriors is to free that energy in order to
face the unknown with it. The action of rechanneling that energy is
impeccability.

The most effective strategy for rechanneling that energy consists of six
elements that interplay with one another. Five of them are called the
attributes of warriorship: control, discipline, forbearance, timing, and
will . They pertain to the world of the warrior who is fighting to lose
self-importance. The sixth element, which is perhaps the most important
of all, pertains to the outside world and is called the petty tyrant.

A petty tyrant is a tormentor. Someone who either holds the power of
life and death over warriors or simply annoys them to distraction.

Petty tyrants teach us detachment. The ingredients of the new seers'
strategy shows how efficient and clever is the device of using a petty
tyrant. The strategy not only gets rid of self-importance; it also
prepares warriors for the final realization that impeccability is the
only thing that counts in the path of knowledge.

Usually, only four attributes are played. The fifth, will , is always
saved for an ultimate confrontation, when warriors are facing the firing
squad, so to speak.

Will belongs to another sphere, the unknown. The other four belong to
the known, exactly where the petty tyrants are lodged. In fact, what
turns human beings into petty tyrants is precisely the obsessive
manipulation of the known.

The interplay of all the five attributes of warriorship is done only by
seers who are also impeccable warriors and have mastery over will . Such
an interplay is a supreme maneuver that cannot be performed on the daily
human stage.

Four attributes are all that is needed to deal with the worst of petty
tyrants, provided, of course, that a petty tyrant has been found. The
petty tyrant is the outside element, the one we cannot control and the
element that is perhaps the most important of them all. The warrior who
stumbles on a petty tyrant is a lucky one. You're fortunate if you come
upon one in your path, because if you don't you have to go out and look
for one.

If seers can hold their own in facing petty tyrants, they can certainly
face the unknown with impunity, and then they can even stand the
presence of the unknowable.

Nothing can temper the spirit of a warrior as much as the challenge of
dealing with impossible people in positions of power. Only under those
conditions can warriors acquire the sobriety and serenity to stand the
pressure of the unknowable.

The perfect ingredient for the making of a superb seer is a petty tyrant
with unlimited prerogatives. Seers have to go to extremes to find a
worthy one. Most of the time they have to be satisfied with very small
fry. Then warriors develop a strategy using the four attributes of
warriorship: control, discipline, forbearance, and timing.

On the path of knowledge there are four steps. The first step is the
decision to become apprentices. After the apprentices change their views
about 

Re: [FairfieldLife] How did the Hindus know Jupiter was the King of the planets?

[Ravi Chivukula]

Well Edg - I am sure the evil Hindus were referring to Jupiter as the King
of the planets with reference to Jyotish/astrology.

I definitely consider Jupiter as very important part of the horoscope
because it indicates the creative intelligence. It's called Guru - inner
guide, it's basis - ether or the heavens - hence one's creative
intelligence. It naturally rules Sagittarius and Pisces, 9th  12th - the
last of the fire/water trines - indicating - dharma/moksha - the pinnacle
of one'sinner, outer search and their expression. So based upon the sign,
house Jupiter is in, it's relation to other planets one can come to very
good conclusions on how this creative intelligence manifests, expresses
itself through the individual and in which areas of life - specifially the
four ayanas of life Hindus define - dharma, artha, kama, moksha.

That's all I have as a quick summary.



On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote:

 **


 I've asked this before here, but got no certainty.

 Again I ask.

 Did someone back then have such good eyesight that they could somewhat see
 Jupiter's moons as if they were part of Jupiter and thus made it bigger?
 That's all I can figure, cuz otherwise, Saturn should have been the natural
 guess for King, cuz it's slower moving (more majestic, ya see?) Both of
 them are but points of light without any width to the naked eye...so?

 And also, if they didn't know about Uranus and Neptune, then, well, WHY?
 With all the celestial visitations back then, someone must have spilled the
 beans about those two gas giants.

 But n.

 So I'm guessing King was merely a lucky guess, cuz if they'd had had any
 insider knowledge laid on them by astral visitors, why not the outer gas
 giants being mentioned?

 Edg

  

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Card

[card]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 This morning I picked up a copy of one of the local freebie newspapers, A 
 Nous Paris, and was reading it over my coffee and croissant when I found this 
 ad. It made me chuckle and think of you. It's an ad for VisitFinland.com. 
 
 The French text reads, Quand on est né dans les bois, pas étonnant qu'on ait 
 un petit quelque chose d'animal.
 
 My English translation would be, When one is born in the woods, it is not 
 astonishing that we are a little something animal.
 
 http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8109/8654893644_58253624d5.jpg


All I can say is one must be somewhat of a masochist to choose
to be born in this sorry country... :D

[FairfieldLife] Re: How did the Hindus know Jupiter was the King of the planets?

[card]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote:

 Well Edg - I am sure the evil Hindus were referring to Jupiter as the King
 of the planets with reference to Jyotish/astrology.
 
 I definitely consider Jupiter as very important part of the horoscope
 because it indicates the creative intelligence. It's called Guru - inner
 guide, it's basis - ether or the heavens - hence one's creative
 intelligence. It naturally rules Sagittarius and Pisces, 9th  12th - the
 last of the fire/water trines - indicating - dharma/moksha - the pinnacle
 of one'sinner, outer search and their expression. So based upon the sign,
 house Jupiter is in, it's relation to other planets one can come to very
 good conclusions on how this creative intelligence manifests, expresses
 itself through the individual and in which areas of life - specifially the
 four ayanas of life Hindus define - dharma, artha, kama, moksha.
 
 That's all I have as a quick summary.

To split hairs, there seems to be no such word as 'kama' in Sanskrit
But there are words 

kamaa (fem.), loveliness, beauty

kaama (masc.), desire, etc.

The order above seems counter-intuitive, IMO. One might expect:

kaama, artha, dharma, mokSa; or even: kaama, dharma, artha, mokSa??

Just for fun: in Finnish, 'kama' means 'rubbish, junk' (also drugs), LoL!

[FairfieldLife] Teaser: Meditation, Creativity, Peace

[merlin]

Teaser: 

Meditation, Creativity, Peace - David Lynch 16 Country Tour Documentary 




http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=BG4XPk8runI

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Card

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  This morning I picked up a copy of one of the local freebie newspapers, A 
  Nous Paris, and was reading it over my coffee and croissant when I found 
  this ad. It made me chuckle and think of you. It's an ad for 
  VisitFinland.com. 
  
  The French text reads, Quand on est né dans les bois, pas étonnant qu'on 
  ait un petit quelque chose d'animal.
  
  My English translation would be, When one is born in the woods, it is not 
  astonishing that we are a little something animal.
  
  http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8109/8654893644_58253624d5.jpg
 
 All I can say is one must be somewhat of a masochist to choose
 to be born in this sorry country... :D

How can you bear it?  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum and classical?

[Buck]

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:
  
   Son, the Meissner Effect [ME] because of its revolutionary spiritual 
   implications is extremely important to transformation of the human race 
   and the whole planet. This is extremely serious stuff.  People should sit 
   up, particularly when they meditate.  Everyone.  Seriously.
   -Buck in the Dome
  
  So, Buck, can you tell me exactly how the expulsion of a magnetic field 
  from the interior of a material that is in the process of becoming a 
  superconductor is related to meditation?
  
  Here is some more detail to help you along:
  
  'As a superconductor in a magnetic field is cooled to the temperature at 
  which it abruptly loses electrical resistance, all or part of the magnetic 
  field within the material is expelled. Relatively weak magnetic fields are 
  entirely repulsed from the interior of all superconductors except for a 
  surface layer about one-millionth of an inch thick. The external magnetic 
  field may be made so strong, however, that it prevents a transition to the 
  superconducting state, and the Meissner effect does not occur.'
  
  If one were to make some sort of spiritual analogy to this, it would seem 
  that if one could, with a sufficient amount of surrounding pure 'evil', 
  negate all positivity generated in the domes, if in fact, positivity is 
  generated in the domes. If we look at the goals of the World Plan, we see 
  that none of these goals have been achieved during the past 58 years, and 
  so can conclude that the spiritual analogue of the Meissner effect has been 
  effectively neutralised.
  
  1. Develop the full potential of the individual FAILED
  2. Improve governmental achievements FAILED
  3. Realize the highest ideal of education FAILED
  4. Eliminate the problems of crime and all behavior 
 that brings unhappiness to the family of man FAILED
  5. Maximize the intelligent use of the environment FAILED
  6. Bring fulfillment to the economic aspirations 
 of individuals and society FAILED
  7. Achieve the spiritual goals of mankind in this generation FAILED
  
  A few isolated successes here and there in achieving spiritual goals does 
  not equate with success of the ambitious plan outlined above. The spiritual 
  successes are the outliers in this business.
 
 
 Son, you shan't let a few details get in the way of your third eye and heart 
 chakra together on this.  Sophistry has always been a terrible thing for 
 spiritual progress in the face of spiritual Reality otherwise.  Thee should 
 not let a few intellectual details git in the way of your own progress on 
 this.  Seek ye that kingdom, that realm of the Unified Field within and you 
 shall then Know.  I do feel a root of problem with this for so many, too 
 many, is about poor spiritual epistemology.  There is in fact tremendous 
 grace and forgiveness in the Unified Field.  Ask and you shall receive.
 All the Best,
 -Buck


For them who are not established have no steady-intellect,
nor have they any steady thought.
The human without steady thought has no peace;
for one without peace how can there be happiness? 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How did the Hindus know Jupiter was the King of the planets?

[Share Long]

Cardemaister I think the Veda is funning you.  The idea is that first you have 
a career dharma.  From that you accumulate wealth artha.  Because of the wealth 
you enjoy material comforts and pleasures kama.  And then LOL you decide to 
renounce it all moksha.





 From: card cardemais...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:50 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How did the Hindus know Jupiter was the King of 
the planets?
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote:

 Well Edg - I am sure the evil Hindus were referring to Jupiter as the King
 of the planets with reference to Jyotish/astrology.
 
 I definitely consider Jupiter as very important part of the horoscope
 because it indicates the creative intelligence. It's called Guru - inner
 guide, it's basis - ether or the heavens - hence one's creative
 intelligence. It naturally rules Sagittarius and Pisces, 9th  12th - the
 last of the fire/water trines - indicating - dharma/moksha - the pinnacle
 of one'sinner, outer search and their expression. So based upon the sign,
 house Jupiter is in, it's relation to other planets one can come to very
 good conclusions on how this creative intelligence manifests, expresses
 itself through the individual and in which areas of life - specifially the
 four ayanas of life Hindus define - dharma, artha, kama, moksha.
 
 That's all I have as a quick summary.

To split hairs, there seems to be no such word as 'kama' in Sanskrit
But there are words 

kamaa (fem.), loveliness, beauty

kaama (masc.), desire, etc.

The order above seems counter-intuitive, IMO. One might expect:

kaama, artha, dharma, mokSa; or even: kaama, dharma, artha, mokSa??

Just for fun: in Finnish, 'kama' means 'rubbish, junk' (also drugs), LoL!




 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Carlos Castaneda on self-importance and petty tyrants

[seventhray27]

This is great Barry.  His books always had a deep influence on me, and
this is one of the reasons why.  The subsequent revelations about who he
was etc., really didn't diminish that effect.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:

 Just in case anyone finds his words relevant to life on Fairfield
Life:

 Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it--what weakens us
 is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellow men. Our
 self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by
 someone.

 Every effort should be made to eradicate self-importance from the
lives
 of warriors. Without self-importance we are invulnerable.

 Self-importance can't be fought with niceties.

 Seers are divided into two categories. Those who are willing to
exercise
 self-restraint and can channel their activities toward pragmatic
goals,
 which would benefit other seers and man in general, and those who
don't
 care about self-restraint or about any pragmatic goals. The latter
have
 failed to resolve the problem of self-importance.

 Self-importance is not something simple and naive. On the one hand, it
 is the core of everything that is good in us, and on the other hand,
the
 core of everything that is rotten. To get rid of the self-importance
 that is rotten requires a masterpiece of strategy.

 In order to follow the path of knowledge one has to be very
imaginative.
 In the path of knowledge nothing is as clear as we'd like it to be.
 Warriors fight self-importance as a matter of strategy, not principle.

 Impeccability is nothing else but the proper use of energy. My
 statements have no inkling of morality. I've saved energy and that
makes
 me impeccable. To understand this, you have to save enough energy
 yourself.

 Warriors take strategic inventories. They list everything they do.
Then
 they decide which of those things can be changed in order to allow
 themselves a respite, in terms of expending their energy.

 The strategic inventory covers only behavioral patterns that are not
 essential to our survival and well-being.

 In the strategic inventories of warriors, self-importance figures as
the
 activity that consumes the greatest amount of energy, hence, their
 effort to eradicate it.

 One of the first concerns of warriors is to free that energy in order
to
 face the unknown with it. The action of rechanneling that energy is
 impeccability.

 The most effective strategy for rechanneling that energy consists of
six
 elements that interplay with one another. Five of them are called the
 attributes of warriorship: control, discipline, forbearance, timing,
and
 will . They pertain to the world of the warrior who is fighting to
lose
 self-importance. The sixth element, which is perhaps the most
important
 of all, pertains to the outside world and is called the petty tyrant.

 A petty tyrant is a tormentor. Someone who either holds the power of
 life and death over warriors or simply annoys them to distraction.

 Petty tyrants teach us detachment. The ingredients of the new seers'
 strategy shows how efficient and clever is the device of using a petty
 tyrant. The strategy not only gets rid of self-importance; it also
 prepares warriors for the final realization that impeccability is the
 only thing that counts in the path of knowledge.

 Usually, only four attributes are played. The fifth, will , is always
 saved for an ultimate confrontation, when warriors are facing the
firing
 squad, so to speak.

 Will belongs to another sphere, the unknown. The other four belong to
 the known, exactly where the petty tyrants are lodged. In fact, what
 turns human beings into petty tyrants is precisely the obsessive
 manipulation of the known.

 The interplay of all the five attributes of warriorship is done only
by
 seers who are also impeccable warriors and have mastery over will .
Such
 an interplay is a supreme maneuver that cannot be performed on the
daily
 human stage.

 Four attributes are all that is needed to deal with the worst of petty
 tyrants, provided, of course, that a petty tyrant has been found. The
 petty tyrant is the outside element, the one we cannot control and the
 element that is perhaps the most important of them all. The warrior
who
 stumbles on a petty tyrant is a lucky one. You're fortunate if you
come
 upon one in your path, because if you don't you have to go out and
look
 for one.

 If seers can hold their own in facing petty tyrants, they can
certainly
 face the unknown with impunity, and then they can even stand the
 presence of the unknowable.

 Nothing can temper the spirit of a warrior as much as the challenge of
 dealing with impossible people in positions of power. Only under those
 conditions can warriors acquire the sobriety and serenity to stand the
 pressure of the unknowable.

 The perfect ingredient for the making of a superb seer is a petty
tyrant
 with unlimited prerogatives. Seers have to go to extremes to find a
 worthy one. Most of the time 

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Card

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card wrote:
snip
 All I can say is one must be somewhat of a masochist to choose
 to be born in this sorry country... :D

Can you elaborate on this?

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[laughinggull108]

Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya and hoping not that you *would* do it 
but *could* do it. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy archives that you 
*did* try, just as others here have asked those in the know to interpret the 
writings of you know who. The evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody 
really knows what the hell he's talking about.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 Sorry Steve, too much trouble. That's why I am retired - don't have to do the 
 heavy lifting anymore.:-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@
  wrote:
  
   Last week, I somehow found myself reading about fossils and the best
  places to find them. Sedimentary rock, that which is formed by
  compression is the only place they are found, vs. in igneous and
  metamorphic rocks.
  
   Robin has the writing ability to work methodically down through the
  fossil record, to the bedrock, when approaching someone's consciousness.
  For those who doubt this, diagram out any of his writing, and you will
  see clear first, second, and third set assumptions, each supported by
  the previous. Very clean and perfectly constructed.
  
  Jim, I find this interesting.  I realize it might entail some work on
  your part, but could you give an example of this.
  
  
  
   This approach of Robin's, then, can be substantiated as being in the
  very least, logical. Through the reactions of his targets, including
  himself, he also (inadvertently?) reveals something about how we see
  ourselves, often as a shifting mass of emotionally tinged reactions,
  jellied memories. Not through this verifiable, logical deduction.
  
   Verifiable, logical deduction works well for external stuff, like
  determining where to find the fossil record. But most people do not like
  such dispassionate rigor, applied to their own self-examination.
  
   So Judy can argue for the validity of Robin's writing, and Steve can
  argue for its discomfort, and both are correct.
  
   Which then begs the question, if FFL is all about a search for meaning
  and personal truth, what are those people doing on here, who continually
  avoid personal truth, by shifting context? What is the implicit
  agreement we have all made, to validate the dialogue here, seek personal
  truth, or be comfortable with each other? Or both?
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: What do goats and TM'ers have in common?

[Buck]

Well told. That is really funny.
I'm from Iowa, born an raised.
I can laugh. 
Thanks.

Yep, Well, it's a 'we' world out there.  
Great article on the change;
becoming a Unified Field.
Take a look at this:
http://apps.npr.org/codeswitch-changing-races/ 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 Two Iowans are out hunting, and as they are walking along they come upon
 a huge hole in the ground.  
 
 They approach it and are amazed by the size of it. 
 
 The first Iowan says, Wow, that's some hole; I can't even see the
 bottom.  I wonder how deep it is. 
 
 The second Iowan says, I don't know, let's throw something down and
 listen and see how long it takes to hit bottom. 
 
 The first Iowan says, There's this old truck transmission here, give me
 a hand and we'll throw it in and see. 
 
 So they pick it up and carry it
  over, and count one, and two and three,
 and throw it in the hole. 
 
 They are standing there listening and looking over the edge and they
 hear a rustling in the bushes behind them. 
 
 As they turn around they see a goat come crashing through the bushes,
 run up to the hole and with no hesitation, jump in head first. 
 
 While they are standing there looking at each other, looking in the hole
 and trying to figure out what that was all about, an old farmer walks
 up. 
 
 Say there, says the farmer, you fellers didn't happen to see my goat
 around here anywhere, did you? 
 
 The first Iowan says,  Funny you should ask, but we were just standing
 here a minute ago and a goat came running out of the bushes doin' about
 a hundred miles an hour and jumped headfirst into this hole here! 
 
 The old farmer said, That's impossible. I had him chained to a
 transmission!  
 
 
 Goat = TM'er - Transmission = TM - Chain = Attachment

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[laughinggull108]

Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you *would* do it but 
*could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll 
remain in the holy archives that you *did* try, just as others here have asked 
those in the know to interpret the writings of you know who. The evidence 
seems to be leaning towards nobody really knows what he's talking about. Too 
bad as I was really hoping that we had a saint in our midst.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 Sorry Steve, too much trouble. That's why I am retired - don't have to do the 
 heavy lifting anymore.:-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@
  wrote:
  
   Last week, I somehow found myself reading about fossils and the best
  places to find them. Sedimentary rock, that which is formed by
  compression is the only place they are found, vs. in igneous and
  metamorphic rocks.
  
   Robin has the writing ability to work methodically down through the
  fossil record, to the bedrock, when approaching someone's consciousness.
  For those who doubt this, diagram out any of his writing, and you will
  see clear first, second, and third set assumptions, each supported by
  the previous. Very clean and perfectly constructed.
  
  Jim, I find this interesting.  I realize it might entail some work on
  your part, but could you give an example of this.
  
  
  
   This approach of Robin's, then, can be substantiated as being in the
  very least, logical. Through the reactions of his targets, including
  himself, he also (inadvertently?) reveals something about how we see
  ourselves, often as a shifting mass of emotionally tinged reactions,
  jellied memories. Not through this verifiable, logical deduction.
  
   Verifiable, logical deduction works well for external stuff, like
  determining where to find the fossil record. But most people do not like
  such dispassionate rigor, applied to their own self-examination.
  
   So Judy can argue for the validity of Robin's writing, and Steve can
  argue for its discomfort, and both are correct.
  
   Which then begs the question, if FFL is all about a search for meaning
  and personal truth, what are those people doing on here, who continually
  avoid personal truth, by shifting context? What is the implicit
  agreement we have all made, to validate the dialogue here, seek personal
  truth, or be comfortable with each other? Or both?
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Carlos Castaneda on self-importance and petty tyrants

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27  wrote:


 This is great Barry.  His books always had a deep influence on me, and
 this is one of the reasons why.  The subsequent revelations about who
he
 was etc., really didn't diminish that effect.

Me, too. As I say often about Rama, the fact that Carlos
was a charlatan does NOT negate the value of some of the
things he taught. :-)

As you probably remember, I met him once, and he was as
fast on his feet verbally in person as he was in his
writing -- *very* bright man. His value for me was that
he invented (or stole...the jury is still out on that one) a
vocabulary with which to discuss working with energy
in the relative worlds, and how conserving energy and
utilizing it wisely can help one to access the non-
relative worlds.

His stuff on petty tyrants I always liked, because it
was about 1) viewing them as an opportunity rather than
a curse, 2) learning detachment (or non-attachment if
you prefer) from them, by not allowing their taunts or
worse to trigger your own sense of self-importance,
and 3) defeating them by allowing them to defeat them-
selves -- effectively hoisting themselves on the petard
of their *own* self-importance.


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
 
  Just in case anyone finds his words relevant to life on Fairfield
 Life:
 
  Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it--what weakens
us
  is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellow men. Our
  self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by
  someone.
 
  Every effort should be made to eradicate self-importance from the
 lives
  of warriors. Without self-importance we are invulnerable.
 
  Self-importance can't be fought with niceties.
 
  Seers are divided into two categories. Those who are willing to
 exercise
  self-restraint and can channel their activities toward pragmatic
 goals,
  which would benefit other seers and man in general, and those who
 don't
  care about self-restraint or about any pragmatic goals. The latter
 have
  failed to resolve the problem of self-importance.
 
  Self-importance is not something simple and naive. On the one hand,
it
  is the core of everything that is good in us, and on the other hand,
 the
  core of everything that is rotten. To get rid of the self-importance
  that is rotten requires a masterpiece of strategy.
 
  In order to follow the path of knowledge one has to be very
 imaginative.
  In the path of knowledge nothing is as clear as we'd like it to be.
  Warriors fight self-importance as a matter of strategy, not
principle.
 
  Impeccability is nothing else but the proper use of energy. My
  statements have no inkling of morality. I've saved energy and that
 makes
  me impeccable. To understand this, you have to save enough energy
  yourself.
 
  Warriors take strategic inventories. They list everything they do.
 Then
  they decide which of those things can be changed in order to allow
  themselves a respite, in terms of expending their energy.
 
  The strategic inventory covers only behavioral patterns that are not
  essential to our survival and well-being.
 
  In the strategic inventories of warriors, self-importance figures as
 the
  activity that consumes the greatest amount of energy, hence, their
  effort to eradicate it.
 
  One of the first concerns of warriors is to free that energy in
order
 to
  face the unknown with it. The action of rechanneling that energy is
  impeccability.
 
  The most effective strategy for rechanneling that energy consists of
 six
  elements that interplay with one another. Five of them are called
the
  attributes of warriorship: control, discipline, forbearance, timing,
 and
  will . They pertain to the world of the warrior who is fighting to
 lose
  self-importance. The sixth element, which is perhaps the most
 important
  of all, pertains to the outside world and is called the petty
tyrant.
 
  A petty tyrant is a tormentor. Someone who either holds the power of
  life and death over warriors or simply annoys them to distraction.
 
  Petty tyrants teach us detachment. The ingredients of the new seers'
  strategy shows how efficient and clever is the device of using a
petty
  tyrant. The strategy not only gets rid of self-importance; it also
  prepares warriors for the final realization that impeccability is
the
  only thing that counts in the path of knowledge.
 
  Usually, only four attributes are played. The fifth, will , is
always
  saved for an ultimate confrontation, when warriors are facing the
 firing
  squad, so to speak.
 
  Will belongs to another sphere, the unknown. The other four belong
to
  the known, exactly where the petty tyrants are lodged. In fact, what
  turns human beings into petty tyrants is precisely the obsessive
  manipulation of the known.
 
  The interplay of all the five attributes of warriorship is done only
 by
  seers who are also impeccable warriors and have mastery over will .
 Such
  an 

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Card

[card]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   This morning I picked up a copy of one of the local freebie newspapers, A 
   Nous Paris, and was reading it over my coffee and croissant when I found 
   this ad. It made me chuckle and think of you. It's an ad for 
   VisitFinland.com. 
   
   The French text reads, Quand on est né dans les bois, pas étonnant qu'on 
   ait un petit quelque chose d'animal.
   
   My English translation would be, When one is born in the woods, it is 
   not astonishing that we are a little something animal.
   
   http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8109/8654893644_58253624d5.jpg
  
  All I can say is one must be somewhat of a masochist to choose
  to be born in this sorry country... :D
 
 How can you bear it?  :-)


Bearly! :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: New York Times op-ed. Read it.

[feste37]

This man should be allowed to go home. Prisoners in Guantanamo should be either 
tried or released, and the prison closed. Everyone knows this is the right 
thing to do, and Obama promised to close it within a year of taking office in 
2009. It's a disgrace that this is being done in our name. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 feste I wish I hadn't read this.  And I'm so glad I did.  Thank you so much 
 for sending.  I've forwarded it to a friend who has a huge email list.  
 Also I'm keeping it in my inbox so I won't forget.  Will see what more I can 
 do.  
 
 
 
 
 
  From: feste37 feste37@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:14 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] New York Times op-ed. Read it.
  
 
 
   
 Gitmo Is Killing Me
 By SAMIR NAJI al HASAN MOQBEL
 
 GUANTÁNAMO BAY, Cuba
 
 ONE man here weighs just 77 pounds. Another, 98. Last thing I knew, I weighed 
 132, but that was a month ago.
 
 I've been on a hunger strike since Feb. 10 and have lost well over 30 pounds. 
 I will not eat until they restore my dignity.
 
 I've been detained at Guantánamo for 11 years and three months. I have never 
 been charged with any crime. I have never received a trial.
 
 I could have been home years ago †no one seriously thinks I am a threat 
 †but still I am here. Years ago the military said I was a guard for 
 Osama bin Laden, but this was nonsense, like something out of the American 
 movies I used to watch. They don't even seem to believe it anymore. But they 
 don't seem to care how long I sit here, either. 
 
 More:
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/15/opinion/hunger-striking-at-guantanamo-bay.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Card

[card]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card wrote:
 snip
  All I can say is one must be somewhat of a masochist to choose
  to be born in this sorry country... :D
 
 Can you elaborate on this?


Well, for starters, something like 60 percent of Finnish *men* are,
according to DNA studies, descendants of Siberian mammoth hunters,
and thus, quite depressive and fond of alcohol. You can imagine,
what kind of collective consciousness that might create at its worst?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Carlos Castaneda on self-importance and petty tyrants

[Richard J. Williams]

turquoiseb:
 Carlos Castaneda on self-importance and petty tyrants

Everyone knows that Castaneda and Rama got most of 
their ideas from reading books like the Bhagavad Gita
and the Ramayana epic. Some of these ideas they  wrote
about are almost pure Buddhism and Hinduism. In the 
latter case, Rama got most of his stuff from Blavatsky.

But, neither was apparently a real warrior. Go figure.

Bhagavad Gita 3.12:

'istan bhogan hi vo deva
dasyante yajna-bhavitah
tair dattan apradayaibhyo
yo bhunkte stena eva sah'

In charge of the various necessities of life, the 
demigods, being satisfied by the performance of yajna 
[sacrifice], will supply all necessities to you. But 
he who enjoys such gifts without offering them to the 
demigods in return is certainly a thief. 

'Introduction to Bhagavad Gita'
By Sri A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
http://tinyurl.com/2wgxpkr   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two Explosions at the Boston Marathon Finish Line

[Richard J. Williams]

Bhairitu:
 Astrology is a weather report and always has been 
 for the propensity of events happening...

REMINDER: Boston Marathon bombs similar to Bill Ayers' 
Weather Underground nail bomb. That device was intended 
to be detonated at a soldiers' dance at Fort Dix, New 
Jersey.

Boston Marathon Explosion - Live Update Thread #8
Reddit:
http://tinyurl.com/cdlyw3t

Posted by Glenn Reynolds:
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/167225/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Carlos Castaneda on self-importance and petty tyrants

[Ann]

Read: Barry is the warrior. Judy is the petty tyrant.
That is why Barry wrote his post on porta potties- so we can see how real 
warriors respond in times if personal challenges in the face of those pesky 
petty tyrants.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Just in case anyone finds his words relevant to life on Fairfield Life:
 
 Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it--what weakens us
 is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellow men. Our
 self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by
 someone.
 
 Every effort should be made to eradicate self-importance from the lives
 of warriors. Without self-importance we are invulnerable.
 
 Self-importance can't be fought with niceties.
 
 Seers are divided into two categories. Those who are willing to exercise
 self-restraint and can channel their activities toward pragmatic goals,
 which would benefit other seers and man in general, and those who don't
 care about self-restraint or about any pragmatic goals. The latter have
 failed to resolve the problem of self-importance.
 
 Self-importance is not something simple and naive. On the one hand, it
 is the core of everything that is good in us, and on the other hand, the
 core of everything that is rotten. To get rid of the self-importance
 that is rotten requires a masterpiece of strategy.
 
 In order to follow the path of knowledge one has to be very imaginative.
 In the path of knowledge nothing is as clear as we'd like it to be.
 Warriors fight self-importance as a matter of strategy, not principle.
 
 Impeccability is nothing else but the proper use of energy. My
 statements have no inkling of morality. I've saved energy and that makes
 me impeccable. To understand this, you have to save enough energy
 yourself.
 
 Warriors take strategic inventories. They list everything they do. Then
 they decide which of those things can be changed in order to allow
 themselves a respite, in terms of expending their energy.
 
 The strategic inventory covers only behavioral patterns that are not
 essential to our survival and well-being.
 
 In the strategic inventories of warriors, self-importance figures as the
 activity that consumes the greatest amount of energy, hence, their
 effort to eradicate it.
 
 One of the first concerns of warriors is to free that energy in order to
 face the unknown with it. The action of rechanneling that energy is
 impeccability.
 
 The most effective strategy for rechanneling that energy consists of six
 elements that interplay with one another. Five of them are called the
 attributes of warriorship: control, discipline, forbearance, timing, and
 will . They pertain to the world of the warrior who is fighting to lose
 self-importance. The sixth element, which is perhaps the most important
 of all, pertains to the outside world and is called the petty tyrant.
 
 A petty tyrant is a tormentor. Someone who either holds the power of
 life and death over warriors or simply annoys them to distraction.
 
 Petty tyrants teach us detachment. The ingredients of the new seers'
 strategy shows how efficient and clever is the device of using a petty
 tyrant. The strategy not only gets rid of self-importance; it also
 prepares warriors for the final realization that impeccability is the
 only thing that counts in the path of knowledge.
 
 Usually, only four attributes are played. The fifth, will , is always
 saved for an ultimate confrontation, when warriors are facing the firing
 squad, so to speak.
 
 Will belongs to another sphere, the unknown. The other four belong to
 the known, exactly where the petty tyrants are lodged. In fact, what
 turns human beings into petty tyrants is precisely the obsessive
 manipulation of the known.
 
 The interplay of all the five attributes of warriorship is done only by
 seers who are also impeccable warriors and have mastery over will . Such
 an interplay is a supreme maneuver that cannot be performed on the daily
 human stage.
 
 Four attributes are all that is needed to deal with the worst of petty
 tyrants, provided, of course, that a petty tyrant has been found. The
 petty tyrant is the outside element, the one we cannot control and the
 element that is perhaps the most important of them all. The warrior who
 stumbles on a petty tyrant is a lucky one. You're fortunate if you come
 upon one in your path, because if you don't you have to go out and look
 for one.
 
 If seers can hold their own in facing petty tyrants, they can certainly
 face the unknown with impunity, and then they can even stand the
 presence of the unknowable.
 
 Nothing can temper the spirit of a warrior as much as the challenge of
 dealing with impossible people in positions of power. Only under those
 conditions can warriors acquire the sobriety and serenity to stand the
 pressure of the unknowable.
 
 The perfect ingredient for the making of a superb seer is a petty tyrant
 with unlimited prerogatives. Seers 

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[doctordumbass]

I taught difficult technical material to adults for twenty years, by learning 
it on my own, first. Time for you to get off your ass and do it yourself...I am 
amazed at your snarkiness, given that you were supposedly a professor of 
something, once.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote:

 Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you *would* do it but 
 *could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll 
 remain in the holy archives that you *did* try, just as others here have 
 asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you know who. The 
 evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody really knows what he's talking 
 about. Too bad as I was really hoping that we had a saint in our midst.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Sorry Steve, too much trouble. That's why I am retired - don't have to do 
  the heavy lifting anymore.:-)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@
   wrote:
   
Last week, I somehow found myself reading about fossils and the best
   places to find them. Sedimentary rock, that which is formed by
   compression is the only place they are found, vs. in igneous and
   metamorphic rocks.
   
Robin has the writing ability to work methodically down through the
   fossil record, to the bedrock, when approaching someone's consciousness.
   For those who doubt this, diagram out any of his writing, and you will
   see clear first, second, and third set assumptions, each supported by
   the previous. Very clean and perfectly constructed.
   
   Jim, I find this interesting.  I realize it might entail some work on
   your part, but could you give an example of this.
   
   
   
This approach of Robin's, then, can be substantiated as being in the
   very least, logical. Through the reactions of his targets, including
   himself, he also (inadvertently?) reveals something about how we see
   ourselves, often as a shifting mass of emotionally tinged reactions,
   jellied memories. Not through this verifiable, logical deduction.
   
Verifiable, logical deduction works well for external stuff, like
   determining where to find the fossil record. But most people do not like
   such dispassionate rigor, applied to their own self-examination.
   
So Judy can argue for the validity of Robin's writing, and Steve can
   argue for its discomfort, and both are correct.
   
Which then begs the question, if FFL is all about a search for meaning
   and personal truth, what are those people doing on here, who continually
   avoid personal truth, by shifting context? What is the implicit
   agreement we have all made, to validate the dialogue here, seek personal
   truth, or be comfortable with each other? Or both?
   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Carlos Castaneda on self-importance and petty tyrants

[doctordumbass]

I haven't glanced at Castaneda's stuff for years. I was appalled by the 
excerpt. It reads like some gooey-eyed sophomore, making big, unqualified 
statements, about warriors and petty tyrants. It is all in his head. I 
cannot imagine what value Barry sees in it.

Once we gain some self-confidence and social balance, and stop self-referencing 
so much, life returns to normal, without all the dramatic, behind the eyes, 
mental masturbation going on, the us and them.

There are no warriors and petty tyrants and attention vampires and 
whatever else term Barry wants to hang on those he can't cope with. This isn't 
some Renaissance Fair Fantasy, it is FFL, an Internet forum. 

Just as Castaneda was walking around a lot, looking at rocks, and making shit 
up, Barry does the same...except his body is forty years older than Carlos's 
was, so he makes it up, while sitting down.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:

 Read: Barry is the warrior. Judy is the petty tyrant.
 That is why Barry wrote his post on porta potties- so we can see how real 
 warriors respond in times if personal challenges in the face of those pesky 
 petty tyrants.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Just in case anyone finds his words relevant to life on Fairfield Life:
  
  Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it--what weakens us
  is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellow men. Our
  self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by
  someone.
  
  Every effort should be made to eradicate self-importance from the lives
  of warriors. Without self-importance we are invulnerable.
  
  Self-importance can't be fought with niceties.
  
  Seers are divided into two categories. Those who are willing to exercise
  self-restraint and can channel their activities toward pragmatic goals,
  which would benefit other seers and man in general, and those who don't
  care about self-restraint or about any pragmatic goals. The latter have
  failed to resolve the problem of self-importance.
  
  Self-importance is not something simple and naive. On the one hand, it
  is the core of everything that is good in us, and on the other hand, the
  core of everything that is rotten. To get rid of the self-importance
  that is rotten requires a masterpiece of strategy.
  
  In order to follow the path of knowledge one has to be very imaginative.
  In the path of knowledge nothing is as clear as we'd like it to be.
  Warriors fight self-importance as a matter of strategy, not principle.
  
  Impeccability is nothing else but the proper use of energy. My
  statements have no inkling of morality. I've saved energy and that makes
  me impeccable. To understand this, you have to save enough energy
  yourself.
  
  Warriors take strategic inventories. They list everything they do. Then
  they decide which of those things can be changed in order to allow
  themselves a respite, in terms of expending their energy.
  
  The strategic inventory covers only behavioral patterns that are not
  essential to our survival and well-being.
  
  In the strategic inventories of warriors, self-importance figures as the
  activity that consumes the greatest amount of energy, hence, their
  effort to eradicate it.
  
  One of the first concerns of warriors is to free that energy in order to
  face the unknown with it. The action of rechanneling that energy is
  impeccability.
  
  The most effective strategy for rechanneling that energy consists of six
  elements that interplay with one another. Five of them are called the
  attributes of warriorship: control, discipline, forbearance, timing, and
  will . They pertain to the world of the warrior who is fighting to lose
  self-importance. The sixth element, which is perhaps the most important
  of all, pertains to the outside world and is called the petty tyrant.
  
  A petty tyrant is a tormentor. Someone who either holds the power of
  life and death over warriors or simply annoys them to distraction.
  
  Petty tyrants teach us detachment. The ingredients of the new seers'
  strategy shows how efficient and clever is the device of using a petty
  tyrant. The strategy not only gets rid of self-importance; it also
  prepares warriors for the final realization that impeccability is the
  only thing that counts in the path of knowledge.
  
  Usually, only four attributes are played. The fifth, will , is always
  saved for an ultimate confrontation, when warriors are facing the firing
  squad, so to speak.
  
  Will belongs to another sphere, the unknown. The other four belong to
  the known, exactly where the petty tyrants are lodged. In fact, what
  turns human beings into petty tyrants is precisely the obsessive
  manipulation of the known.
  
  The interplay of all the five attributes of warriorship is done only by
  seers who are also impeccable warriors and have mastery over will . Such
  an interplay is a supreme 

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote:

 Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you
 *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog
 ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy
 archives that you *did* try, just as others here have
 asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you
 know who.

Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators
around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which
they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an
incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been
involved, making it sound shifty.

We know who you know who is, of course. But others here
refers to Xeno and those 'in the know' refers to me.

Here's what really happened: Xeno demanded that I interpret
some post of Robin's *in order to prove* that I understood
him, and I refused to do any interpreting on that basis. I
considered it insulting, given that I had already spent a
huge amount of time explaining Robin to people (including
Xeno) who couldn't take the time to read his posts, or at
least to put any effort into absorbing what he had said.

 The evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody really
 knows what he's talking about.

No, there's no such evidence. I think what you mean is
that *you* have trouble understanding him. We know he
confuses Steve and Xeno and Barry and Share as well, but
the five of you aren't everybody.

 Too bad as I was really
 hoping that we had a saint in our midst.

Well, that was pretty silly, wasn't it? You know, since
Robin himself would be the first person to discourage the
notion. Nor did DrD suggest such a thing. Robin is 
REELY RELY smart, but he ain't no saint.

Also, it appears neither you nor Steve read what DrD
wrote with attention. He was suggesting that folks try
validating his analysis of Robin's writing for themselves,
not offering to do it for them.

Hmm, now I'm beginning to see what's behind this. You and
Steve don't want to risk the attempt, because if you tried
and couldn't see what DrD describes, you'd be hesitant to
report your failure lest it appear that it was due to your
lack of comprehension, rather than DrD's analysis being
faulty.

So your cowardice in this regard leads you to imply that
DrD and I have been posturing and that Robin has said
nothing of any significance.

I would expect that kind of craven maneuver from Steve.
I'm surprised to see you engaging in it, LG.

The really interesting thing is that Robin isn't all that
hard to understand for those willing to put a little effort
into it.









 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Sorry Steve, too much trouble. That's why I am retired - don't have to do 
  the heavy lifting anymore.:-)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@
   wrote:
   
Last week, I somehow found myself reading about fossils and the best
   places to find them. Sedimentary rock, that which is formed by
   compression is the only place they are found, vs. in igneous and
   metamorphic rocks.
   
Robin has the writing ability to work methodically down through the
   fossil record, to the bedrock, when approaching someone's consciousness.
   For those who doubt this, diagram out any of his writing, and you will
   see clear first, second, and third set assumptions, each supported by
   the previous. Very clean and perfectly constructed.
   
   Jim, I find this interesting.  I realize it might entail some work on
   your part, but could you give an example of this.
   
   
   
This approach of Robin's, then, can be substantiated as being in the
   very least, logical. Through the reactions of his targets, including
   himself, he also (inadvertently?) reveals something about how we see
   ourselves, often as a shifting mass of emotionally tinged reactions,
   jellied memories. Not through this verifiable, logical deduction.
   
Verifiable, logical deduction works well for external stuff, like
   determining where to find the fossil record. But most people do not like
   such dispassionate rigor, applied to their own self-examination.
   
So Judy can argue for the validity of Robin's writing, and Steve can
   argue for its discomfort, and both are correct.
   
Which then begs the question, if FFL is all about a search for meaning
   and personal truth, what are those people doing on here, who continually
   avoid personal truth, by shifting context? What is the implicit
   agreement we have all made, to validate the dialogue here, seek personal
   truth, or be comfortable with each other? Or both?
   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[laughinggull108]

My bad...I thought FFL was all about snark, after all, I *do* have the best 
teachers!

Anyway, wasn't it Judy who wrote that when anyone needs clarification on 
something that all they have to do is ask? I thought Steve asked very 
respectfully for clarification on the points you were making (and for which 
another praised you). I was hoping to learn something about the clean and 
perfectly constructed writings of another but I guess I'll just have to wait 
until my consciousness reaches those levels of understanding.

WARNING: more snark ahead: So you really don't know, do you? Just as I 
thought...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 I taught difficult technical material to adults for twenty years, by learning 
 it on my own, first. Time for you to get off your ass and do it yourself...I 
 am amazed at your snarkiness, given that you were supposedly a professor of 
 something, once.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you *would* do it 
  but *could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my homework. Well, Steve, 
  it'll remain in the holy archives that you *did* try, just as others here 
  have asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you know who. 
  The evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody really knows what he's 
  talking about. Too bad as I was really hoping that we had a saint in our 
  midst.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Sorry Steve, too much trouble. That's why I am retired - don't have to do 
   the heavy lifting anymore.:-)
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ 
   wrote:
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@
wrote:

 Last week, I somehow found myself reading about fossils and the best
places to find them. Sedimentary rock, that which is formed by
compression is the only place they are found, vs. in igneous and
metamorphic rocks.

 Robin has the writing ability to work methodically down through the
fossil record, to the bedrock, when approaching someone's consciousness.
For those who doubt this, diagram out any of his writing, and you will
see clear first, second, and third set assumptions, each supported by
the previous. Very clean and perfectly constructed.

Jim, I find this interesting.  I realize it might entail some work on
your part, but could you give an example of this.



 This approach of Robin's, then, can be substantiated as being in the
very least, logical. Through the reactions of his targets, including
himself, he also (inadvertently?) reveals something about how we see
ourselves, often as a shifting mass of emotionally tinged reactions,
jellied memories. Not through this verifiable, logical deduction.

 Verifiable, logical deduction works well for external stuff, like
determining where to find the fossil record. But most people do not like
such dispassionate rigor, applied to their own self-examination.

 So Judy can argue for the validity of Robin's writing, and Steve can
argue for its discomfort, and both are correct.

 Which then begs the question, if FFL is all about a search for meaning
and personal truth, what are those people doing on here, who continually
avoid personal truth, by shifting context? What is the implicit
agreement we have all made, to validate the dialogue here, seek personal
truth, or be comfortable with each other? Or both?

   
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New York Times op-ed. Read it.

[Share Long]

I think it was the 11 years that got to me.  Well that and the descriptions of 
the various forms of forced feeding.  I agree, either try them or let them go 
home and yes it is a disgrace to our country, huge disgrace and this alone will 
make me rethink how I vote next time.  This may sound stupid but after I read 
it last night I was praying to God to tell me what more I can do to help.





 From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:59 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New York Times op-ed. Read it.
 


  
This man should be allowed to go home. Prisoners in Guantanamo should be either 
tried or released, and the prison closed. Everyone knows this is the right 
thing to do, and Obama promised to close it within a year of taking office in 
2009. It's a disgrace that this is being done in our name. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 feste I wish I hadn't read this.ย  And I'm so glad I did.ย  Thank you so much 
 for sending.ย  I've forwarded it to a friend who has a huge email list.ย  
 Also I'm keeping it in my inbox so I won't forget.ย  Will see what more I can 
 do.ย  
 
 
 
 
 
  From: feste37 feste37@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:14 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] New York Times op-ed. Read it.
 
 
 
 ย  
 Gitmo Is Killing Me
 By SAMIR NAJI al HASAN MOQBEL
 
 GUANTร�NAMO BAY, Cuba
 
 ONE man here weighs just 77 pounds. Another, 98. Last thing I knew, I weighed 
 132, but that was a month ago.
 
 I've been on a hunger strike since Feb. 10 and have lost well over 30 pounds. 
 I will not eat until they restore my dignity.
 
 I've been detained at Guantรกnamo for 11 years and three months. I have never 
 been charged with any crime. I have never received a trial.
 
 I could have been home years ago โ€ no one seriously thinks I am a threat 
 โ€ but still I am here. Years ago the military said I was a guard for 
 Osama bin Laden, but this was nonsense, like something out of the American 
 movies I used to watch. They don't even seem to believe it anymore. But they 
 don't seem to care how long I sit here, either. 
 
 More:
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/15/opinion/hunger-striking-at-guantanamo-bay.html



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[doctordumbass]

Sounds like, 1. you've made up your mind about Robin, and 2. just feel like 
arguing about it. As Judy says, the guy ain't that hard to read, with 
comprehension. Remember when the training wheels came off the bike? Same thing.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote:

 My bad...I thought FFL was all about snark, after all, I *do* have the best 
 teachers!
 
 Anyway, wasn't it Judy who wrote that when anyone needs clarification on 
 something that all they have to do is ask? I thought Steve asked very 
 respectfully for clarification on the points you were making (and for which 
 another praised you). I was hoping to learn something about the clean and 
 perfectly constructed writings of another but I guess I'll just have to wait 
 until my consciousness reaches those levels of understanding.
 
 WARNING: more snark ahead: So you really don't know, do you? Just as I 
 thought...
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I taught difficult technical material to adults for twenty years, by 
  learning it on my own, first. Time for you to get off your ass and do it 
  yourself...I am amazed at your snarkiness, given that you were supposedly a 
  professor of something, once.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you *would* do it 
   but *could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my homework. Well, 
   Steve, it'll remain in the holy archives that you *did* try, just as 
   others here have asked those in the know to interpret the writings of 
   you know who. The evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody really 
   knows what he's talking about. Too bad as I was really hoping that we had 
   a saint in our midst.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
   
Sorry Steve, too much trouble. That's why I am retired - don't have to 
do the heavy lifting anymore.:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ 
wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@
 wrote:
 
  Last week, I somehow found myself reading about fossils and the best
 places to find them. Sedimentary rock, that which is formed by
 compression is the only place they are found, vs. in igneous and
 metamorphic rocks.
 
  Robin has the writing ability to work methodically down through the
 fossil record, to the bedrock, when approaching someone's 
 consciousness.
 For those who doubt this, diagram out any of his writing, and you will
 see clear first, second, and third set assumptions, each supported by
 the previous. Very clean and perfectly constructed.
 
 Jim, I find this interesting.  I realize it might entail some work on
 your part, but could you give an example of this.
 
 
 
  This approach of Robin's, then, can be substantiated as being in the
 very least, logical. Through the reactions of his targets, including
 himself, he also (inadvertently?) reveals something about how we see
 ourselves, often as a shifting mass of emotionally tinged reactions,
 jellied memories. Not through this verifiable, logical deduction.
 
  Verifiable, logical deduction works well for external stuff, like
 determining where to find the fossil record. But most people do not 
 like
 such dispassionate rigor, applied to their own self-examination.
 
  So Judy can argue for the validity of Robin's writing, and Steve can
 argue for its discomfort, and both are correct.
 
  Which then begs the question, if FFL is all about a search for 
  meaning
 and personal truth, what are those people doing on here, who 
 continually
 avoid personal truth, by shifting context? What is the implicit
 agreement we have all made, to validate the dialogue here, seek 
 personal
 truth, or be comfortable with each other? Or both?
 

   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: New York Times op-ed. Read it.

[doctordumbass]

Another awful injustice: 

I saw an excellent special on PBS last night, produced by Ken Burns, about The 
Central Park Five. There was a horrific rape and beating of a jogger in the 
late 80's in New York City's Central Park. Police rounded up five kids, 14-16, 
convicted them all, and sent them away for seven to eleven years - no DNA 
evidence, all based on coerced confessions. Then the real criminal stepped 
forward, confessed, and matched the DNA evidence, and the two still in prison 
were let go. All  five were exonerated, but basically live ruined lives now. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 I think it was the 11 years that got to me.  Well that and the descriptions 
 of the various forms of forced feeding.  I agree, either try them or let 
 them go home and yes it is a disgrace to our country, huge disgrace and this 
 alone will make me rethink how I vote next time.  This may sound stupid but 
 after I read it last night I was praying to God to tell me what more I can do 
 to help.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: feste37 feste37@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New York Times op-ed. Read it.
  
 
 
   
 This man should be allowed to go home. Prisoners in Guantanamo should be 
 either tried or released, and the prison closed. Everyone knows this is the 
 right thing to do, and Obama promised to close it within a year of taking 
 office in 2009. It's a disgrace that this is being done in our name. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  feste I wish I hadn't read this.ย  And I'm so glad I did.ย  Thank you 
  so much for sending.ย  I've forwarded it to a friend who has a huge 
  email list.ย  Also I'm keeping it in my inbox so I won't forget.ย  
  Will see what more I can do.ย  
  
  
  
  
  
   From: feste37 feste37@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:14 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] New York Times op-ed. Read it.
  
  
  
  ย  
  Gitmo Is Killing Me
  By SAMIR NAJI al HASAN MOQBEL
  
  GUANTร�NAMO BAY, Cuba
  
  ONE man here weighs just 77 pounds. Another, 98. Last thing I knew, I 
  weighed 132, but that was a month ago.
  
  I've been on a hunger strike since Feb. 10 and have lost well over 30 
  pounds. I will not eat until they restore my dignity.
  
  I've been detained at Guantรกnamo for 11 years and three months. I have 
  never been charged with any crime. I have never received a trial.
  
  I could have been home years ago โ€ no one seriously thinks I am a 
  threat โ€ but still I am here. Years ago the military said I was a 
  guard for Osama bin Laden, but this was nonsense, like something out of 
  the American movies I used to watch. They don't even seem to believe it 
  anymore. But they don't seem to care how long I sit here, either. 
  
  More:
  
  http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/15/opinion/hunger-striking-at-guantanamo-bay.html
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[laughinggull108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 Sounds like, 1. you've made up your mind about Robin,

Perhaps I have, but I'm willing to consider an analysis of his writings that 
might cause me to learn something of value and possibly change my mind. But 
then again, Robin didn't come here claiming to be a teacher so maybe I'm 
expecting too much from his writing.

 and 2. just feel like arguing about it.

You got me there, I *do* feel like arguing. Sometimes I react to something that 
has been written and feel like I should respond, snark and all. Maybe something 
that *both* of us needs is being fulfilled right now.

 As Judy says, the guy ain't that hard to read, with comprehension. Remember 
 when the training wheels came off the bike? Same thing.

Judy is wrong. Oh, the training wheels are removable??? Well, I'll Be!

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  My bad...I thought FFL was all about snark, after all, I *do* have the best 
  teachers!
  
  Anyway, wasn't it Judy who wrote that when anyone needs clarification on 
  something that all they have to do is ask? I thought Steve asked very 
  respectfully for clarification on the points you were making (and for which 
  another praised you). I was hoping to learn something about the clean and 
  perfectly constructed writings of another but I guess I'll just have to 
  wait until my consciousness reaches those levels of understanding.
  
  WARNING: more snark ahead: So you really don't know, do you? Just as I 
  thought...
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
  
   I taught difficult technical material to adults for twenty years, by 
   learning it on my own, first. Time for you to get off your ass and do it 
   yourself...I am amazed at your snarkiness, given that you were supposedly 
   a professor of something, once.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
   
Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you *would* do 
it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my homework. Well, 
Steve, it'll remain in the holy archives that you *did* try, just as 
others here have asked those in the know to interpret the writings of 
you know who. The evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody really 
knows what he's talking about. Too bad as I was really hoping that we 
had a saint in our midst.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:

 Sorry Steve, too much trouble. That's why I am retired - don't have 
 to do the heavy lifting anymore.:-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@
  wrote:
  
   Last week, I somehow found myself reading about fossils and the 
   best
  places to find them. Sedimentary rock, that which is formed by
  compression is the only place they are found, vs. in igneous and
  metamorphic rocks.
  
   Robin has the writing ability to work methodically down through 
   the
  fossil record, to the bedrock, when approaching someone's 
  consciousness.
  For those who doubt this, diagram out any of his writing, and you 
  will
  see clear first, second, and third set assumptions, each supported 
  by
  the previous. Very clean and perfectly constructed.
  
  Jim, I find this interesting.  I realize it might entail some work 
  on
  your part, but could you give an example of this.
  
  
  
   This approach of Robin's, then, can be substantiated as being in 
   the
  very least, logical. Through the reactions of his targets, including
  himself, he also (inadvertently?) reveals something about how we see
  ourselves, often as a shifting mass of emotionally tinged reactions,
  jellied memories. Not through this verifiable, logical deduction.
  
   Verifiable, logical deduction works well for external stuff, like
  determining where to find the fossil record. But most people do not 
  like
  such dispassionate rigor, applied to their own self-examination.
  
   So Judy can argue for the validity of Robin's writing, and Steve 
   can
  argue for its discomfort, and both are correct.
  
   Which then begs the question, if FFL is all about a search for 
   meaning
  and personal truth, what are those people doing on here, who 
  continually
  avoid personal truth, by shifting context? What is the implicit
  agreement we have all made, to validate the dialogue here, seek 
  personal
  truth, or be comfortable with each other? Or both?
  
 

   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Sounds like, 1. you've made up your mind about Robin,
 
 Perhaps I have, but I'm willing to consider an analysis 
 of his writings that might cause me to learn something
 of value and possibly change my mind. But then again,
 Robin didn't come here claiming to be a teacher so maybe
 I'm expecting too much from his writing.

Nor did DrD offer to provide you with a specific analysis to
consider. Rather, he offered you the tools to do it yourself.

And Steve did not ask for clarification on the points DrD was
making. Like you, he asked to be spoon-fed without having to
make any effort on his own.

  and 2. just feel like arguing about it.
 
 You got me there, I *do* feel like arguing.

But that isn't what you're doing, is it? You're just doing
the snark without the argument.

 Sometimes I
 react to something that has been written and feel like I
 should respond, snark and all. Maybe something that *both*
 of us needs is being fulfilled right now.
 
  As Judy says, the guy ain't that hard to read, with 
  comprehension. Remember when the training wheels came
  off the bike? Same thing.
 
 Judy is wrong.

I don't find Robin that hard to read with comprehension.
Are you saying you aren't as smart as I am? I wouldn't
have thought so, but you're doing a good job of talking
me into it.





 Oh, the training wheels are removable??? Well, I'll Be!
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   My bad...I thought FFL was all about snark, after all, I *do* have the 
   best teachers!
   
   Anyway, wasn't it Judy who wrote that when anyone needs clarification on 
   something that all they have to do is ask? I thought Steve asked very 
   respectfully for clarification on the points you were making (and for 
   which another praised you). I was hoping to learn something about the 
   clean and perfectly constructed writings of another but I guess I'll 
   just have to wait until my consciousness reaches those levels of 
   understanding.
   
   WARNING: more snark ahead: So you really don't know, do you? Just as I 
   thought...
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
   
I taught difficult technical material to adults for twenty years, by 
learning it on my own, first. Time for you to get off your ass and do 
it yourself...I am amazed at your snarkiness, given that you were 
supposedly a professor of something, once.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:

 Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you *would* do 
 it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my homework. 
 Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy archives that you *did* try, 
 just as others here have asked those in the know to interpret the 
 writings of you know who. The evidence seems to be leaning towards 
 nobody really knows what he's talking about. Too bad as I was really 
 hoping that we had a saint in our midst.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  Sorry Steve, too much trouble. That's why I am retired - don't have 
  to do the heavy lifting anymore.:-)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 
  steve.sundur@ wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@
   wrote:
   
Last week, I somehow found myself reading about fossils and the 
best
   places to find them. Sedimentary rock, that which is formed by
   compression is the only place they are found, vs. in igneous and
   metamorphic rocks.
   
Robin has the writing ability to work methodically down through 
the
   fossil record, to the bedrock, when approaching someone's 
   consciousness.
   For those who doubt this, diagram out any of his writing, and you 
   will
   see clear first, second, and third set assumptions, each 
   supported by
   the previous. Very clean and perfectly constructed.
   
   Jim, I find this interesting.  I realize it might entail some 
   work on
   your part, but could you give an example of this.
   
   
   
This approach of Robin's, then, can be substantiated as being 
in the
   very least, logical. Through the reactions of his targets, 
   including
   himself, he also (inadvertently?) reveals something about how we 
   see
   ourselves, often as a shifting mass of emotionally tinged 
   reactions,
   jellied memories. Not through this verifiable, logical deduction.
   
Verifiable, logical deduction works well for external stuff, 
like
   determining where to find the fossil record. But most people do 
   not 

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[laughinggull108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you
  *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog
  ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy
  archives that you *did* try, just as others here have
  asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you
  know who.
 
 Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators
 around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which
 they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an
 incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been
 involved, making it sound shifty.


My purposeful removal of names, as in this case, was so as not to bring more 
attention to those that probably crave it.

 We know who you know who is, of course. But others here
 refers to Xeno and those 'in the know' refers to me.

Others here now includes Steve, and also includes me as I've asked Robin on 
at least one occasion to explain in language that I can understand without all 
the other stuff that merely confuses the point he is making. In the  know now 
includes dumbass, and might also include Ann, RD, and Emily who on several 
occasions have indicated that they understand what he has written.

 Here's what really happened: Xeno demanded that I interpret
 some post of Robin's *in order to prove* that I understood
 him, and I refused to do any interpreting on that basis. I
 considered it insulting, given that I had already spent a
 huge amount of time explaining Robin to people (including
 Xeno) who couldn't take the time to read his posts, or at
 least to put any effort into absorbing what he had said.
 
  The evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody really
  knows what he's talking about.
 
 No, there's no such evidence. I think what you mean is
 that *you* have trouble understanding him. We know he
 confuses Steve and Xeno and Barry and Share as well, but
 the five of you aren't everybody.

You are correct...I have great trouble understanding him.

  Too bad as I was really
  hoping that we had a saint in our midst.
 
 Well, that was pretty silly, wasn't it? You know, since
 Robin himself would be the first person to discourage the
 notion. Nor did DrD suggest such a thing. Robin is 
 REELY RELY smart, but he ain't no saint.

That was the final snarky jab there. While maybe not a saint, I'm always hoping 
I can learn something from everyone who comments here.

 Also, it appears neither you nor Steve read what DrD
 wrote with attention. He was suggesting that folks try
 validating his analysis of Robin's writing for themselves,
 not offering to do it for them.
 
 Hmm, now I'm beginning to see what's behind this. You and
 Steve don't want to risk the attempt, because if you tried
 and couldn't see what DrD describes, you'd be hesitant to
 report your failure lest it appear that it was due to your
 lack of comprehension, rather than DrD's analysis being
 faulty.
 
 So your cowardice in this regard leads you to imply that
 DrD and I have been posturing and that Robin has said
 nothing of any significance.
 
 I would expect that kind of craven maneuver from Steve.
 I'm surprised to see you engaging in it, LG.

It's not deliberate by any means but rather arises from a sense of frustration 
in not being about to understand what someone is writing. BTW, Robin's not the 
only one whose writing I don't get. I'm open to understanding but none of you 
are helping other than to say get off your ass, put some work into it, or 
provide links to the posts so we can go back and read them again. Don't you see 
how circular this is? And your explanations are by no means succinct nor easy 
to understand.

Perhaps one of my motives *is* to prove you wrong but for the life of me, I 
don't know why. I guess I have some work ahead.

 The really interesting thing is that Robin isn't all that
 hard to understand for those willing to put a little effort
 into it.

But is the effort worth the reward?

[snip]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Carlos Castaneda on self-importance and petty tyrants

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote:

 turquoiseb:
  Carlos Castaneda on self-importance and petty tyrants
 
 Everyone knows that Castaneda and Rama got most of 
 their ideas from reading books like the Bhagavad Gita
 and the Ramayana epic. Some of these ideas they  wrote
 about are almost pure Buddhism and Hinduism. In the 
 latter case, Rama got most of his stuff from Blavatsky.
 
 But, neither was apparently a real warrior. Go figure.

Richard, everyone who's been here a while knows 
that you're a know-nothing troll who shouldn't
be paid any attention to at all. But for the 
benefit of possible lurkers or newbies who have
not yet figured this out and might actually
*believe* this horseshit, I will correct you.

NOTHING could be further from the truth that
Castaneda based the stuff in his books on Indian
scriptures or concepts. His Warrior's Way
teaching really IS based more on Yaqui concepts
that he admittedly might have stolen from real
Mexican shamans. 

But these concepts have almost nothing to do with
Eastern teachings. The entire emphasis is on *Life
In The Relative*, and living it as well and as 
successfully as possible. There is no concept of 
enlightenment, no concept of reincarnation, and
above all no concept of renunciation or withdrawal
from the world. It's a very, very, very pragmatic
set of teachings, having to do with life here in
the real world, and how to make that life work 
as successfully as possible. 

While there ARE concepts of saving and storing
energy for the purposes of exploring different
levels of life (Separate Realities, to use his
term), there is NO sense of evolution or progress
towards some Woo Woo goal of enlightenment or 
liberation as it is thought of in New Agey versions 
of Hindu and Eastern teachings (read TM). In his
view, ya get out of life pretty much what you
put into it -- no karma, no past-life influences,
no astrological influences, certainly no S-V 
influences, and above all no gods, goddesses, or 
other beings whose asses you have to kiss to 
evolve or have nice things happen to you. 

Get some smarts, dumbass. If you *ever* read 
Carlos Castaneda, it must have been back during
a period when you were seriously stoned, because
you missed pretty much all of the major points
of what he was about.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum and classical?

[Buck]

 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
  anartaxius@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:
   
Son, the Meissner Effect [ME] because of its revolutionary spiritual 
implications is extremely important to transformation of the human race 
and the whole planet. This is extremely serious stuff.  People should 
sit up, particularly when they meditate.  Everyone.  Seriously.
-Buck in the Dome
   
   So, Buck, can you tell me exactly how the expulsion of a magnetic field 
   from the interior of a material that is in the process of becoming a 
   superconductor is related to meditation?
   
   Here is some more detail to help you along:
   
   'As a superconductor in a magnetic field is cooled to the temperature at 
   which it abruptly loses electrical resistance, all or part of the 
   magnetic field within the material is expelled. Relatively weak magnetic 
   fields are entirely repulsed from the interior of all superconductors 
   except for a surface layer about one-millionth of an inch thick. The 
   external magnetic field may be made so strong, however, that it prevents 
   a transition to the superconducting state, and the Meissner effect does 
   not occur.'
   
   If one were to make some sort of spiritual analogy to this, it would seem 
   that if one could, with a sufficient amount of surrounding pure 'evil', 
   negate all positivity generated in the domes, if in fact, positivity is 
   generated in the domes. If we look at the goals of the World Plan, we see 
   that none of these goals have been achieved during the past 58 years, and 
   so can conclude that the spiritual analogue of the Meissner effect has 
   been effectively neutralised.
   
   1. Develop the full potential of the individual FAILED
   2. Improve governmental achievements FAILED
   3. Realize the highest ideal of education FAILED
   4. Eliminate the problems of crime and all behavior 
  that brings unhappiness to the family of man FAILED
   5. Maximize the intelligent use of the environment FAILED
   6. Bring fulfillment to the economic aspirations 
  of individuals and society FAILED
   7. Achieve the spiritual goals of mankind in this generation FAILED
   
   A few isolated successes here and there in achieving spiritual goals does 
   not equate with success of the ambitious plan outlined above. The 
   spiritual successes are the outliers in this business.
  
  
  Son, you shan't let a few details get in the way of your third eye and 
  heart chakra together on this.  Sophistry has always been a terrible thing 
  for spiritual progress in the face of spiritual Reality otherwise.  Thee 
  should not let a few intellectual details git in the way of your own 
  progress on this.  Seek ye that kingdom, that realm of the Unified Field 
  within and you shall then Know.  I do feel a root of problem with this for 
  so many, too many, is about poor spiritual epistemology.  There is in fact 
  tremendous grace and forgiveness in the Unified Field.  Ask and you shall 
  receive.
  All the Best,
  -Buck
 
 
 For them who are not established have no steady-intellect,
 nor have they any steady thought.
 The human without steady thought has no peace;
 for one without peace how can there be happiness?


Spiritual Neurophysiology.
It might take some spiritual effort [as in self-discipline of your own] to 
pursue but someone who could be really useful in this for folks who are stuck 
might be Janet Sussman.
She is really good at helping fix people's subtle systems.  She has
helped quite a lot of meditators from the top down over the years here who were 
having troubles with their meditations
and the spiritual progress in their subtle neurophysiologies of the body-mind 
complex.  Rick interviewed her on Batgap   http://batgap.com/janet-sussman/   
She's been very helpful to a lot of people this way.  Yes, a saint this way.  
She's very accessible and helpful that way.
Best of hope,
-Buck 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: psychological rape was parsing etc

[Share Long]

Judy, it may be facts in that sense that it's in the archives, but none of what 
you have EVER said about all this adequately reflects reality much less is 
reality.  Why?  Because IMO you do not acknowledge all the facts of what was 
going on for me as I attempted to deal all that began with my Sept 6 upset with 
Robin.  Yes, my upset, the upset between him and me, and the question of my 
apologizing to Robin for anything is between him and me only, again IMO.  

But I will add this:  given the mysterious and lofty standards you and Robin 
present for apologies, why would anyone even attempt such a doomed to fail 
task?  What I mean by mysterious is Robin rejected my previous apologies 
because he said they were founded on sentiment.  And recently he explained that 
sentiment means lacking real feeling.  

How the fuckity
 fuck can he claim to know whether my feelings are real or not?  I guess he can 
know that they're not real enough for him.  Fine, so be it.  But for him to 
proclaim, as he does over and over, that they are not real at all, well that 
IMO indicates, just to name one practical thing, that he does not want a 
reconciliation between us, regardless of what he recently said to Curtis.  

And that's fine too if he doesn't want a reconciliation.  But in that case, you 
two better get your agendas straight.  Why would I attempt a reconciliation 
which you demand with someone, Robin who doesn't even want one?!  Have you 
finally gone totally 'round the bend?!

And BTW, all those times Robin apologized to me back them, what I remember is 
that there would be an apology.  But there would also be a tag line putting it 
all back on me.    

Good God, woman don't you hear the arrogance when you say that you will 
continue to bring it up?  Who died and made you Judge of All Creation?  

Again for the record:  the term psychological rape in terms of Robin's behavior 
came only from myself.  I probably read it many years ago but not recently and 
again, no one suggested the term to me.  


And btw Ms. Persnickity Only When It Suits Her:  I have noticed that posting 
about all this you've used the term psychological rapist which I don't remember 
ever calling Robin.  God what a hypocrite you are! 


As for bringing up Robin's eviction of his wife, I brought that up to explain 
to the FFL newcomers here the power that it sounded like Robin wielded.  

Yeah, you're all about shaming people, aren't you Judy?  Well shame on you for 
your just about total lack of compassion, except for a few.  And for your 
continuing to dredge all this up and then shaming me for bringing up details.  
Again, what a hypocrite you are!  More so because you present yourself as being 
all about truth.  


Judy to Steve:  But he's willing to push them a little
 to see if maybe he can get them to the point at which they
 *will* be interesting to have a dialogue with.

Me repeating what I said before:  I hope that when Robin pushes people, I hope 
that he is motivated by more than getting them interesting enough to have a 
dialogue with.



 From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 11:24 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: psychological rape was parsing etc
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Judy, if the psychological rape incident is all hoo-hah
 as you say below, then why are you still bringing it up?!

That question makes no sense. Do you know what hoo-hah
means? Look it up.

I'm still bringing it up because it's never been resolved.
You haven't apologized. You haven't explained the
contradiction between your comments at the time the
incident happened, in which you declared that you weren't
upset by it (and initially, that you yourself had been at
fault because you'd eaten too much sugar and were feeling
grumpy), and your assertion four weeks later that you
had been psychologically raped and that the very same
incident had upset you terribly.

All this is on the record, Share. It's facts, reality,
which you refuse to face.

 And since I am no longer accusing Robin of psychological
 rape, I think it unhealthy of you to continue bringing it
 up.

I will continue to bring it up until you apologize *and*
explain the discrepancy between your comments at the time
the incident happened and your accusation of psychological
rape four weeks later.

No longer accusing is not sufficient. What's required is
an explicit retraction of the accusation.

What's unhealthy is your inability to deal with all this.

And I'm snipping your unhealthy bullshit designed to distract
attention from the point at issue here.

(snip)

 I think once before you raised the question of some Robin
 hater causing me to use the term psychological rape. No
 one in person or via electronic devise or printed matter
 suggested that term to me.

Here's what I said this time around:

 I think one of the Robin-
 haters got to her privately 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Once in a Blue Moon

[Bhairitu]

Hans Zimmer's Time from the movie Inception and also John Murphy's 
Adagio in D minor for the movie Sunshine are very popular pieces 
because of their spiritual import.  Zimmer's piece is really very simple 
showing how often simplicity trumps over complexity in music.   Danny 
Boyle's Sunshine has been called the greatest science fiction ever 
because of it's deep spiritual import.  It is definitely one of my 
favorite films.

Adagio in D Minor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXVzg2PiZw

On 04/16/2013 08:13 PM, John wrote:
 That was an unusual piece of music.  Slow and mysterious.



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:
 I suspect some of you even if you're not a musician were once shown how
 to play Blue Moon chords on a piano.   That chord progression, also
 known as We want Cantor, has been used in many other pop songs.  The
 chord progression based on steps of a major scale are one, six, two,
 five, one or in the key of G:
 G Em Am D G  or usually just the first four chords repeated but I've put
 the final G there for a reason.

 Composers use composition devices to come up with new ideas.  One of
 those is a retrograde which is usually a melody reversed or mirrored.
 This also can be done with chord progressions which is even more
 unusual.  So if you reverse that Blue Moon chord progression you get:
 G D Am Em

 Start on the Am like this:
 Am Em G D

 and you get this:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQvM4EM0lO8

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Two Explosions at the Boston Marathon Finish Line

[Bhairitu]

On 04/17/2013 06:49 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
 Bhairitu:
 Astrology is a weather report and always has been
 for the propensity of events happening...

 REMINDER: Boston Marathon bombs similar to Bill Ayers'
 Weather Underground nail bomb. That device was intended
 to be detonated at a soldiers' dance at Fort Dix, New
 Jersey.

 Boston Marathon Explosion - Live Update Thread #8
 Reddit:
 http://tinyurl.com/cdlyw3t

 Posted by Glenn Reynolds:
 http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/167225/



We must ban pressure cookers!

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[seventhray27]

Hey LG, I scanned a little, and then backed up to this post.
Yes, I was hoping DD might offer some clarification, but he really
doesn't do that.  He declares something to be correct, and that's the
end of it, because of his state of mind, I guess.  On the other hand,
his remarks, condescending as they usually are, have a flair of
creativity,  so I find them interesting.
I purposely would not put such a question to Judy, because it would be a
total waste of time.  Judy can and does spin anything seven ways from
Sunday, depending on what point she wants to make.
But this was the first time Jim stepped up to that plate, but
unfortunately, he bailed away from the pitch, even though it was right
down the middle.  He does have a knack of doing that.
Of course, as he said, he's retired and retired folks usually don't
have.wait, what am I saying, they do have extra time on their hands.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:

 Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you *would* do
it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my homework. Well,
Steve, it'll remain in the holy archives that you *did* try, just as
others here have asked those in the know to interpret the writings of
you know who. The evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody really
knows what he's talking about. Too bad as I was really hoping that we
had a saint in our midst.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Sorry Steve, too much trouble. That's why I am retired - don't have
to do the heavy lifting anymore.:-)
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27  wrote:
  
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@
   wrote:
   
Last week, I somehow found myself reading about fossils and the
best
   places to find them. Sedimentary rock, that which is formed by
   compression is the only place they are found, vs. in igneous and
   metamorphic rocks.
   
Robin has the writing ability to work methodically down through
the
   fossil record, to the bedrock, when approaching someone's
consciousness.
   For those who doubt this, diagram out any of his writing, and you
will
   see clear first, second, and third set assumptions, each supported
by
   the previous. Very clean and perfectly constructed.
  
   Jim, I find this interesting.  I realize it might entail some work
on
   your part, but could you give an example of this.
  
  
   
This approach of Robin's, then, can be substantiated as being in
the
   very least, logical. Through the reactions of his targets,
including
   himself, he also (inadvertently?) reveals something about how we
see
   ourselves, often as a shifting mass of emotionally tinged
reactions,
   jellied memories. Not through this verifiable, logical deduction.
   
Verifiable, logical deduction works well for external stuff,
like
   determining where to find the fossil record. But most people do
not like
   such dispassionate rigor, applied to their own self-examination.
   
So Judy can argue for the validity of Robin's writing, and Steve
can
   argue for its discomfort, and both are correct.
   
Which then begs the question, if FFL is all about a search for
meaning
   and personal truth, what are those people doing on here, who
continually
   avoid personal truth, by shifting context? What is the implicit
   agreement we have all made, to validate the dialogue here, seek
personal
   truth, or be comfortable with each other? Or both?
   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[seventhray27]

Jim, is this akin to shifting the context.

You made a declaration.  Someone, (me in this case), asked to provide some 
evidence for it, and you declined.  And now, LG is one having to explain 
himself?  Jeez.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 I taught difficult technical material to adults for twenty years, by learning 
 it on my own, first. Time for you to get off your ass and do it yourself...I 
 am amazed at your snarkiness, given that you were supposedly a professor of 
 something, once.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you *would* do it 
  but *could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my homework. Well, Steve, 
  it'll remain in the holy archives that you *did* try, just as others here 
  have asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you know who. 
  The evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody really knows what he's 
  talking about. Too bad as I was really hoping that we had a saint in our 
  midst.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Sorry Steve, too much trouble. That's why I am retired - don't have to do 
   the heavy lifting anymore.:-)
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ 
   wrote:
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@
wrote:

 Last week, I somehow found myself reading about fossils and the best
places to find them. Sedimentary rock, that which is formed by
compression is the only place they are found, vs. in igneous and
metamorphic rocks.

 Robin has the writing ability to work methodically down through the
fossil record, to the bedrock, when approaching someone's consciousness.
For those who doubt this, diagram out any of his writing, and you will
see clear first, second, and third set assumptions, each supported by
the previous. Very clean and perfectly constructed.

Jim, I find this interesting.  I realize it might entail some work on
your part, but could you give an example of this.



 This approach of Robin's, then, can be substantiated as being in the
very least, logical. Through the reactions of his targets, including
himself, he also (inadvertently?) reveals something about how we see
ourselves, often as a shifting mass of emotionally tinged reactions,
jellied memories. Not through this verifiable, logical deduction.

 Verifiable, logical deduction works well for external stuff, like
determining where to find the fossil record. But most people do not like
such dispassionate rigor, applied to their own self-examination.

 So Judy can argue for the validity of Robin's writing, and Steve can
argue for its discomfort, and both are correct.

 Which then begs the question, if FFL is all about a search for meaning
and personal truth, what are those people doing on here, who continually
avoid personal truth, by shifting context? What is the implicit
agreement we have all made, to validate the dialogue here, seek personal
truth, or be comfortable with each other? Or both?

   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:

  The evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody really
  knows what he's talking about.

 No, there's no such evidence. I think what you mean is
 that *you* have trouble understanding him. We know he
 confuses Steve and Xeno and Barry and Share as well, but
 the five of you aren't everybody.

Not so fast young lady.  Don't forget Lord Knows and the Howells as
those who thinks he's the SOR, (same old Robin).  Wait, and they spent
all that time around him, didn't they.  What's funny to me, is how you
continually attempt to discredit their input into this matter. That's an
example of some of your finest pretzeling.  Is pretzeling a verb?
  Too bad as I was really
  hoping that we had a saint in our midst.

 Well, that was pretty silly, wasn't it? You know, since
 Robin himself would be the first person to discourage the
 notion. Nor did DrD suggest such a thing. Robin is
 REELY RELY smart, but he ain't no saint.

 Also, it appears neither you nor Steve read what DrD
 wrote with attention. He was suggesting that folks try
 validating his analysis of Robin's writing for themselves,
 not offering to do it for them.

If you make a statement, and then can't back it up, then your statement
doesn't count for much, does it? Ooosie.
May have more to say thing evening.  But this could not go unanswered.
(-:


 Hmm, now I'm beginning to see what's behind this. You and
 Steve don't want to risk the attempt, because if you tried
 and couldn't see what DrD describes, you'd be hesitant to
 report your failure lest it appear that it was due to your
 lack of comprehension, rather than DrD's analysis being
 faulty.

 So your cowardice in this regard leads you to imply that
 DrD and I have been posturing and that Robin has said
 nothing of any significance.

 I would expect that kind of craven maneuver from Steve.
 I'm surprised to see you engaging in it, LG.

 The really interesting thing is that Robin isn't all that
 hard to understand for those willing to put a little effort
 into it.









 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   Sorry Steve, too much trouble. That's why I am retired - don't
have to do the heavy lifting anymore.:-)
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27  wrote:
   
   
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@
wrote:

 Last week, I somehow found myself reading about fossils and
the best
places to find them. Sedimentary rock, that which is formed by
compression is the only place they are found, vs. in igneous and
metamorphic rocks.

 Robin has the writing ability to work methodically down
through the
fossil record, to the bedrock, when approaching someone's
consciousness.
For those who doubt this, diagram out any of his writing, and
you will
see clear first, second, and third set assumptions, each
supported by
the previous. Very clean and perfectly constructed.
   
Jim, I find this interesting.  I realize it might entail some
work on
your part, but could you give an example of this.
   
   

 This approach of Robin's, then, can be substantiated as being
in the
very least, logical. Through the reactions of his targets,
including
himself, he also (inadvertently?) reveals something about how we
see
ourselves, often as a shifting mass of emotionally tinged
reactions,
jellied memories. Not through this verifiable, logical
deduction.

 Verifiable, logical deduction works well for external stuff,
like
determining where to find the fossil record. But most people do
not like
such dispassionate rigor, applied to their own self-examination.

 So Judy can argue for the validity of Robin's writing, and
Steve can
argue for its discomfort, and both are correct.

 Which then begs the question, if FFL is all about a search for
meaning
and personal truth, what are those people doing on here, who
continually
avoid personal truth, by shifting context? What is the implicit
agreement we have all made, to validate the dialogue here, seek
personal
truth, or be comfortable with each other? Or both?

   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum and classical?

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
   anartaxius@ wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:

 Son, the Meissner Effect [ME] because of its revolutionary spiritual 
 implications is extremely important to transformation of the human 
 race and the whole planet. This is extremely serious stuff.  People 
 should sit up, particularly when they meditate.  Everyone.  Seriously.
 -Buck in the Dome

So, Buck, can you tell me exactly how the expulsion of a magnetic field 
from the interior of a material that is in the process of becoming a 
superconductor is related to meditation?

Here is some more detail to help you along:

'As a superconductor in a magnetic field is cooled to the temperature 
at which it abruptly loses electrical resistance, all or part of the 
magnetic field within the material is expelled. Relatively weak 
magnetic fields are entirely repulsed from the interior of all 
superconductors except for a surface layer about one-millionth of an 
inch thick. The external magnetic field may be made so strong, however, 
that it prevents a transition to the superconducting state, and the 
Meissner effect does not occur.'

If one were to make some sort of spiritual analogy to this, it would 
seem that if one could, with a sufficient amount of surrounding pure 
'evil', negate all positivity generated in the domes, if in fact, 
positivity is generated in the domes. If we look at the goals of the 
World Plan, we see that none of these goals have been achieved during 
the past 58 years, and so can conclude that the spiritual analogue of 
the Meissner effect has been effectively neutralised.

1. Develop the full potential of the individual FAILED
2. Improve governmental achievements FAILED
3. Realize the highest ideal of education FAILED
4. Eliminate the problems of crime and all behavior 
   that brings unhappiness to the family of man FAILED
5. Maximize the intelligent use of the environment FAILED
6. Bring fulfillment to the economic aspirations 
   of individuals and society FAILED
7. Achieve the spiritual goals of mankind in this generation FAILED

A few isolated successes here and there in achieving spiritual goals 
does not equate with success of the ambitious plan outlined above. The 
spiritual successes are the outliers in this business.
   
   
   Son, you shan't let a few details get in the way of your third eye and 
   heart chakra together on this.  Sophistry has always been a terrible 
   thing for spiritual progress in the face of spiritual Reality otherwise.  
   Thee should not let a few intellectual details git in the way of your own 
   progress on this.  Seek ye that kingdom, that realm of the Unified Field 
   within and you shall then Know.  I do feel a root of problem with this 
   for so many, too many, is about poor spiritual epistemology.  There is in 
   fact tremendous grace and forgiveness in the Unified Field.  Ask and you 
   shall receive.
   All the Best,
   -Buck
  
  
  For them who are not established have no steady-intellect,
  nor have they any steady thought.
  The human without steady thought has no peace;
  for one without peace how can there be happiness?
 
 
 Spiritual Neurophysiology.
 It might take some spiritual effort [as in self-discipline of your own] to 
 pursue but someone who could be really useful in this for folks who are stuck 
 might be Janet Sussman.
 She is really good at helping fix people's subtle systems.  She has
 helped quite a lot of meditators from the top down over the years here who 
 were having troubles with their meditations
 and the spiritual progress in their subtle neurophysiologies of the body-mind 
 complex.  Rick interviewed her on Batgap   http://batgap.com/janet-sussman/   
 She's been very helpful to a lot of people this way.  Yes, a saint this way.  
 She's very accessible and helpful that way.
 Best of hope,
 -Buck

I do not have any problems with my meditation Buck. Better not use the word 
'saint'. Even a hint of saintliness could get you banned from the the dome.

And regards to the material that started this short exchange. You do realise 
that the goals of the world plan are fulfilled in one's experience upon 
awakening, but not for the experience of others still asleep. For them to be 
fulfilled for everyone, all would have to awaken. The funny thing about this is 
the value that one awakens to is always and has always been present.

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[authfriend]

This post is a response to LG, but first a quick comment to
Share:

Share, your post to me just now is the very essence of
corruption, all the way through, one steaming, stinking
foul shot after another. It makes me want to take a bath
just to read it. You are one very, very sick cookie.

How you can write something so disgracefully dishonest
right after having come from the supposedly purifying
atmosphere of the domes is beyond me.

If I decide to respond to it, I'll do so on Friday or
Saturday. So you can just look forward to that, you hear?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you
   *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog
   ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy
   archives that you *did* try, just as others here have
   asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you
   know who.
  
  Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators
  around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which
  they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an
  incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been
  involved, making it sound shifty.
 
 My purposeful removal of names, as in this case, was so as
 not to bring more attention to those that probably crave it.

Oh, please, how limp an excuse is that?

  We know who you know who is, of course. But others here
  refers to Xeno and those 'in the know' refers to me.
 
 Others here now includes Steve,

No, it doesn't. Others refers to people *other than Steve*.

Try to keep in mind what you actually wrote. Otherwise it
appears you're hastily rewriting after the fact.

 and also includes me as I've asked Robin on at least one
 occasion to explain in language that I can understand

Nope, doesn't include you either. And I'd have to see the
post in which you purportedly made this request, and what
the response was. I don't trust you to report accurately.

In any case, this wouldn't fall under your initial no-names
premise, which was that people in the know were asked to
interpret but *could not do so*.

 without all the other stuff that merely confuses the point
 he is making.

That confuses *you* as to the point he is making.

 In the know now includes dumbass,

See above re Steve.

 and might also include Ann, RD, and Emily who on several
 occasions have indicated that they understand what he has
 written.

Somebody asked them to explain Robin and they could not?

Or did you once again miswrite?

Let's see, so that's Judy, Ann, RD, Emily, and DrD who are
all smarter than LG (and Robin, of course, but he's smarter
than all of us, IMO).

(snip)
 It's not deliberate by any means but rather arises from a
 sense of frustration in not being about to understand what
 someone is writing.

That's honest and straightforward, for a change. But why is
it you seem to think it's appropriate to take out that
frustration on other people? Are you resentful that they
understand what you do not?

 BTW, Robin's not the only one whose
 writing I don't get. I'm open to understanding but none of
 you are helping other than to say get off your ass, put
 some work into it, or provide links to the posts so we can
 go back and read them again. Don't you see how circular
 this is?

This is way too vague and muddled for me to address directly.
It sure doesn't seem that circular is the word you want.

I'll say this, though: It appears to me that quite a few
folks on FFL are subject to a sort of learned helplessness
when it comes to understanding the posts of people they don't
like and/or with whom they don't agree. I personally resent
having to waste my time explaining something they're perfectly
capable of understanding. Not only is their purported confusion
unnecessary, it's sometimes actually feigned, a tactic 
intended to disrupt a discussion.

There aren't all that many genuinely stupid people on FFL.

 And your explanations are by no means succinct nor easy
 to understand.

Did you ask for clarification and explain what confused you?
Would you like to quote any posts of mine you didn't
understand or that were too long for you?

You're still not actually *arguing*, you're just sort of
flailing around hoping you'll hit something. So far, no luck.

 Perhaps one of my motives *is* to prove you wrong but for
 the life of me, I don't know why. I guess I have some work
 ahead.

What is it you want to prove me wrong about?? Even that isn't
clear.

  The really interesting thing is that Robin isn't all that
  hard to understand for those willing to put a little effort
  into it.
 
 But is the effort worth the reward?

It is for me and a number of others here.

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote:

 Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that 
 you *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to 
 the dog ate my homework. 

LOL

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Card

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card wrote:
  snip
   All I can say is one must be somewhat of a masochist to choose
   to be born in this sorry country... :D
  
  Can you elaborate on this?
 
 Well, for starters, something like 60 percent of Finnish *men* are,
 according to DNA studies, descendants of Siberian mammoth hunters,
 and thus, quite depressive and fond of alcohol. You can imagine,
 what kind of collective consciousness that might create at its worst?

Well, it might have its women's lib advantages. Sounds
to me like you're talking about guys who have a genetic
predisposition to go out to bars, choose an attractive
female, and genetically be tempted to grab her by the
hair and drag her back to their cave. 

However, due to all the alcohol, they can rarely pull
it off, and wind up grabbing for the hair and missing
it, while the women just laugh at them. :-)  :-)  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum and classical?

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote:

 The unified field may not, Michael, but God does -- and God is in charge of 
 the unified field. 

God is our projection of human qualities onto our concept of unity, of 
completeness, of totality. It is not in charge of anything. Unity gives the 
experience of what that word 'God', - so misleading - was attempting to 
elucidate, but in reality falls short in its imaginary presumption.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  I've got news for you - the Unified Field doesn't give a crap about any 
  of us or what we do - it is beyond all such considerations - ascribing 
  emotional qualities such as grace and forgiveness is pasting our desire for 
  such things onto the object (or in this case practice) we pin our hopes on 
  to give us the grace and forgiveness we seek.
  
  If you don't believe me, and need Vedic confirmation, read a bit of the 
  Yoga Vashistha to see what it says about the Unified Field giving a crap 
  about us and what we do. 
  
  
  
  
  
   From: Buck dhamiltony2k5@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:57 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum and classical?
   
  
  
    
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
  anartaxius@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:
   
Son, the Meissner Effect [ME] because of its revolutionary spiritual 
implications is extremely important to transformation of the human race 
and the whole planet. This is extremely serious stuff.  People should 
sit up, particularly when they meditate.  Everyone.  Seriously.
-Buck in the Dome
   
   So, Buck, can you tell me exactly how the expulsion of a magnetic field 
   from the interior of a material that is in the process of becoming a 
   superconductor is related to meditation?
   
   Here is some more detail to help you along:
   
   'As a superconductor in a magnetic field is cooled to the temperature at 
   which it abruptly loses electrical resistance, all or part of the 
   magnetic field within the material is expelled. Relatively weak magnetic 
   fields are entirely repulsed from the interior of all superconductors 
   except for a surface layer about one-millionth of an inch thick. The 
   external magnetic field may be made so strong, however, that it prevents 
   a transition to the superconducting state, and the Meissner effect does 
   not occur.'
   
   If one were to make some sort of spiritual analogy to this, it would seem 
   that if one could, with a sufficient amount of surrounding pure 'evil', 
   negate all positivity generated in the domes, if in fact, positivity is 
   generated in the domes. If we look at the goals of the World Plan, we see 
   that none of these goals have been achieved during the past 58 years, and 
   so can conclude that the spiritual analogue of the Meissner effect has 
   been effectively neutralised.
   
   1. Develop the full potential of the individual FAILED
   2. Improve governmental achievements FAILED
   3. Realize the highest ideal of education FAILED
   4. Eliminate the problems of crime and all behavior 
  that brings unhappiness to the family of man FAILED
   5. Maximize the intelligent use of the environment FAILED
   6. Bring fulfillment to the economic aspirations 
  of individuals and society FAILED
   7. Achieve the spiritual goals of mankind in this generation FAILED
   
   A few isolated successes here and there in achieving spiritual goals does 
   not equate with success of the ambitious plan outlined above. The 
   spiritual successes are the outliers in this business.
  
  
  Son, you shan't let a few details get in the way of your third eye and 
  heart chakra together on this.  Sophistry has always been a terrible thing 
  for spiritual progress in the face of spiritual Reality otherwise.  Thee 
  should not let a few intellectual details git in the way of your own 
  progress on this.  Seek ye that kingdom, that realm of the Unified Field 
  within and you shall then Know.  I do feel a root of problem with this for 
  so many, too many, is about poor spiritual epistemology.  There is in fact 
  tremendous grace and forgiveness in the Unified Field.  Ask and you shall 
  receive.
  All the Best,
  -Buck
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you
   *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog
   ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy
   archives that you *did* try, just as others here have
   asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you
   know who.
  
  Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators
  around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which
  they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an
  incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been
  involved, making it sound shifty.
 
 My purposeful removal of names, as in this case, was so as 
 not to bring more attention to those that probably crave it.

Although it may not be completely applicable to your
example, LG, one of the things that the self-important
petty tyrants always miss is the tactical advantage
(a la the Castaneda quotes I posted earlier) of speak-
ing generically, without naming names.

I don't know about you, but when I do this, there are
often *several* individuals I might be talking about,
ALL of whom fit the generic, stereotypical portrait 
I've painted with my words. 

But by speaking generically, you (or at least I) set 
a trap for the petty tyrants. Their self-importance 
(a form of narcissism, after all) almost always leads
them to believe that what I wrote was all about them,
so they reply, all in a huff and offended and on the
warpath, *demonstrating* their attachment to their
own importance, ego, and compulsively-controlled
public image. 

As Castaneda delineated in the quotes I posted, this
is a way of *using* the weaknesses of the self-
important to push their self-importance buttons, so
that they reply to generic descriptions AS IF they
really were all about them. 

It's a way of getting them to admit that the descrip-
tions are ACCURATE -- so accurate, in fact, that they
merely *assumed* that we were talking about them
personally. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[Share Long]

Judy what I notice here is that you do not mention one example of my alleged 
essence of corruption.  And btw you've taken the path of hyperbole before when 
delivering your supposed truth about me.  It falls just as flat as it always 
has.


BTW, yesterday at the post office I ran into someone, not a Dome goer, I 
respect who's been lurking on FFL from the beginning.  They were very helpful 
in terms of understanding the unhealthy relationship between you and Robin.  I 
was telling them how I was enjoying your philosophical discussions with paligap 
and Xeno.  Then Robin appears and you turn back into a pit bull.  Their 
explanation was that Robin agreed with you about turq and that that is the 
basis of your friendship.  Personally I think there's some previous life stuff 
going on but that's just speculation on my part.


Anyway, I do wish you complete healing, etc.



 From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:42 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
 


  
This post is a response to LG, but first a quick comment to
Share:

Share, your post to me just now is the very essence of
corruption, all the way through, one steaming, stinking
foul shot after another. It makes me want to take a bath
just to read it. You are one very, very sick cookie.

How you can write something so disgracefully dishonest
right after having come from the supposedly purifying
atmosphere of the domes is beyond me.

If I decide to respond to it, I'll do so on Friday or
Saturday. So you can just look forward to that, you hear?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you
   *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog
   ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy
   archives that you *did* try, just as others here have
   asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you
   know who.
  
  Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators
  around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which
  they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an
  incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been
  involved, making it sound shifty.
 
 My purposeful removal of names, as in this case, was so as
 not to bring more attention to those that probably crave it.

Oh, please, how limp an excuse is that?

  We know who you know who is, of course. But others here
  refers to Xeno and those 'in the know' refers to me.
 
 Others here now includes Steve,

No, it doesn't. Others refers to people *other than Steve*.

Try to keep in mind what you actually wrote. Otherwise it
appears you're hastily rewriting after the fact.

 and also includes me as I've asked Robin on at least one
 occasion to explain in language that I can understand

Nope, doesn't include you either. And I'd have to see the
post in which you purportedly made this request, and what
the response was. I don't trust you to report accurately.

In any case, this wouldn't fall under your initial no-names
premise, which was that people in the know were asked to
interpret but *could not do so*.

 without all the other stuff that merely confuses the point
 he is making.

That confuses *you* as to the point he is making.

 In the know now includes dumbass,

See above re Steve.

 and might also include Ann, RD, and Emily who on several
 occasions have indicated that they understand what he has
 written.

Somebody asked them to explain Robin and they could not?

Or did you once again miswrite?

Let's see, so that's Judy, Ann, RD, Emily, and DrD who are
all smarter than LG (and Robin, of course, but he's smarter
than all of us, IMO).

(snip)
 It's not deliberate by any means but rather arises from a
 sense of frustration in not being about to understand what
 someone is writing.

That's honest and straightforward, for a change. But why is
it you seem to think it's appropriate to take out that
frustration on other people? Are you resentful that they
understand what you do not?

 BTW, Robin's not the only one whose
 writing I don't get. I'm open to understanding but none of
 you are helping other than to say get off your ass, put
 some work into it, or provide links to the posts so we can
 go back and read them again. Don't you see how circular
 this is?

This is way too vague and muddled for me to address directly.
It sure doesn't seem that circular is the word you want.

I'll say this, though: It appears to me that quite a few
folks on FFL are subject to a sort of learned helplessness
when it comes to understanding the posts of people they don't
like and/or with whom they don't agree. I personally resent
having to waste my time explaining something they're 

[FairfieldLife] Re: psychological rape was parsing etc

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

share: A part of a larger amount that is divided among a number of people, or 
to which a number of people contribute.

stein: A large earthenware beer mug (from German for 'rock').

Share you are kind of like the now defunct Hostess Twinkie. Golden sucrose 
impregnated cake surrounding an ultra sweet soft creamy core, which by virtue 
of preservatives, lasts for almost an eternity in time. You have that spiritual 
sense of logic, which is totally dualistic when need be, but outside the rigors 
of thought in the intuitive sense as its basis.

Judy is like a silicon chip, rock, and circuits through and through surrounded 
by Gothic spikes. A solid state Twinkie that will puncture you every time.

But when the lioness in you Share, emerges, it is delightful! But a lion is 
flesh and blood, and spikes can get through.

Judy, unlike you, Share, and unlike Barry, has not discovered that knowledge 
based in thought is only representational, not truth, and that different 
representations when run through the filter of logic, result in different 
conclusions, even if the logic were the same.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Judy, it may be facts in that sense that it's in the archives, but none of 
 what you have EVER said about all this adequately reflects reality much less 
 is reality.  Why?  Because IMO you do not acknowledge all the facts of what 
 was going on for me as I attempted to deal all that began with my Sept 6 
 upset with Robin.  Yes, my upset, the upset between him and me, and the 
 question of my apologizing to Robin for anything is between him and me only, 
 again IMO.  
 
 But I will add this:  given the mysterious and lofty standards you and Robin 
 present for apologies, why would anyone even attempt such a doomed to fail 
 task?  What I mean by mysterious is Robin rejected my previous apologies 
 because he said they were founded on sentiment.  And recently he explained 
 that sentiment means lacking real feeling.  
 
 How the fuckity
  fuck can he claim to know whether my feelings are real or not?  I guess he 
 can know that they're not real enough for him.  Fine, so be it.  But for 
 him to proclaim, as he does over and over, that they are not real at all, 
 well that IMO indicates, just to name one practical thing, that he does not 
 want a reconciliation between us, regardless of what he recently said to 
 Curtis.  
 
 And that's fine too if he doesn't want a reconciliation.  But in that case, 
 you two better get your agendas straight.  Why would I attempt a 
 reconciliation which you demand with someone, Robin who doesn't even want 
 one?!  Have you finally gone totally 'round the bend?!
 
 And BTW, all those times Robin apologized to me back them, what I remember is 
 that there would be an apology.  But there would also be a tag line putting 
 it all back on me.    
 
 Good God, woman don't you hear the arrogance when you say that you will 
 continue to bring it up?  Who died and made you Judge of All Creation?  
 
 Again for the record:  the term psychological rape in terms of Robin's 
 behavior came only from myself.  I probably read it many years ago but not 
 recently and again, no one suggested the term to me.  
 
 
 And btw Ms. Persnickity Only When It Suits Her:  I have noticed that posting 
 about all this you've used the term psychological rapist which I don't 
 remember ever calling Robin.  God what a hypocrite you are! 
 
 
 As for bringing up Robin's eviction of his wife, I brought that up to explain 
 to the FFL newcomers here the power that it sounded like Robin wielded.  
 
 Yeah, you're all about shaming people, aren't you Judy?  Well shame on you 
 for your just about total lack of compassion, except for a few.  And for 
 your continuing to dredge all this up and then shaming me for bringing up 
 details.  Again, what a hypocrite you are!  More so because you present 
 yourself as being all about truth.  
 
 
 Judy to Steve:  But he's willing to push them a little
  to see if maybe he can get them to the point at which they
  *will* be interesting to have a dialogue with.
 
 Me repeating what I said before:  I hope that when Robin pushes people, I 
 hope that he is motivated by more than getting them interesting enough to 
 have a dialogue with.
 
 
 
  From: authfriend authfriend@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 11:24 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: psychological rape was parsing etc
  
 
 
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Judy, if the psychological rape incident is all hoo-hah
  as you say below, then why are you still bringing it up?!
 
 That question makes no sense. Do you know what hoo-hah
 means? Look it up.
 
 I'm still bringing it up because it's never been resolved.
 You haven't apologized. You haven't explained the
 contradiction between your comments at the time the
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: psychological rape was parsing etc

[Share Long]

God, Xeno I do love how you make me laugh at myself here!  Now let me see:  
dear Xeno you are like some wonderful Greek yogurt, smooth and creamy but with 
a bit of a bite to it going down, and a little pitta vitiating for this pure 
pitta Twinkie (-:





 From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:07 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: psychological rape was parsing etc
 


  
share: A part of a larger amount that is divided among a number of people, or 
to which a number of people contribute.

stein: A large earthenware beer mug (from German for 'rock').

Share you are kind of like the now defunct Hostess Twinkie. Golden sucrose 
impregnated cake surrounding an ultra sweet soft creamy core, which by virtue 
of preservatives, lasts for almost an eternity in time. You have that spiritual 
sense of logic, which is totally dualistic when need be, but outside the rigors 
of thought in the intuitive sense as its basis.

Judy is like a silicon chip, rock, and circuits through and through surrounded 
by Gothic spikes. A solid state Twinkie that will puncture you every time.

But when the lioness in you Share, emerges, it is delightful! But a lion is 
flesh and blood, and spikes can get through.

Judy, unlike you, Share, and unlike Barry, has not discovered that knowledge 
based in thought is only representational, not truth, and that different 
representations when run through the filter of logic, result in different 
conclusions, even if the logic were the same.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Judy, it may be facts in that sense that it's in the archives, but none of 
 what you have EVER said about all this adequately reflects reality much less 
 is reality.  Why?  Because IMO you do not acknowledge all the facts of what 
 was going on for me as I attempted to deal all that began with my Sept 6 
 upset with Robin.  Yes, my upset, the upset between him and me, and the 
 question of my apologizing to Robin for anything is between him and me only, 
 again IMO.  
 
 But I will add this:  given the mysterious and lofty standards you and Robin 
 present for apologies, why would anyone even attempt such a doomed to fail 
 task?  What I mean by mysterious is Robin rejected my previous apologies 
 because he said they were founded on sentiment.  And recently he explained 
 that sentiment means lacking real feeling.  
 
 How the fuckity
  fuck can he claim to know whether my feelings are real or not?  I guess he 
 can know that they're not real enough for him.  Fine, so be it.  But for 
 him to proclaim, as he does over and over, that they are not real at all, 
 well that IMO indicates, just to name one practical thing, that he does not 
 want a reconciliation between us, regardless of what he recently said to 
 Curtis.  
 
 And that's fine too if he doesn't want a reconciliation.  But in that case, 
 you two better get your agendas straight.  Why would I attempt a 
 reconciliation which you demand with someone, Robin who doesn't even want 
 one?!  Have you finally gone totally 'round the bend?!
 
 And BTW, all those times Robin apologized to me back them, what I remember is 
 that there would be an apology.  But there would also be a tag line putting 
 it all back on me.    
 
 Good God, woman don't you hear the arrogance when you say that you will 
 continue to bring it up?  Who died and made you Judge of All Creation?  
 
 Again for the record:  the term psychological rape in terms of Robin's 
 behavior came only from myself.  I probably read it many years ago but not 
 recently and again, no one suggested the term to me.  
 
 
 And btw Ms. Persnickity Only When It Suits Her:  I have noticed that posting 
 about all this you've used the term psychological rapist which I don't 
 remember ever calling Robin.  God what a hypocrite you are! 
 
 
 As for bringing up Robin's eviction of his wife, I brought that up to explain 
 to the FFL newcomers here the power that it sounded like Robin wielded.  
 
 Yeah, you're all about shaming people, aren't you Judy?  Well shame on you 
 for your just about total lack of compassion, except for a few.  And for 
 your continuing to dredge all this up and then shaming me for bringing up 
 details.  Again, what a hypocrite you are!  More so because you present 
 yourself as being all about truth.  
 
 
 Judy to Steve:  But he's willing to push them a little
  to see if maybe he can get them to the point at which they
  *will* be interesting to have a dialogue with.
 
 Me repeating what I said before:  I hope that when Robin pushes people, I 
 hope that he is motivated by more than getting them interesting enough to 
 have a dialogue with.
 
 
 
  From: authfriend authfriend@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 11:24 AM
 Subject: 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum and classical?

[Michael Jackson]

Very well said.





 From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:59 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum and classical?
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote:

 The unified field may not, Michael, but God does -- and God is in charge of 
 the unified field. 

God is our projection of human qualities onto our concept of unity, of 
completeness, of totality. It is not in charge of anything. Unity gives the 
experience of what that word 'God', - so misleading - was attempting to 
elucidate, but in reality falls short in its imaginary presumption.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  I've got news for you - the Unified Field doesn't give a crap about any 
  of us or what we do - it is beyond all such considerations - ascribing 
  emotional qualities such as grace and forgiveness is pasting our desire for 
  such things onto the object (or in this case practice) we pin our hopes on 
  to give us the grace and forgiveness we seek.
  
  If you don't believe me, and need Vedic confirmation, read a bit of the 
  Yoga Vashistha to see what it says about the Unified Field giving a crap 
  about us and what we do. 
  
  
  
  
  
   From: Buck dhamiltony2k5@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:57 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum and classical?
  
  
  
    
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
  anartaxius@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote:
   
Son, the Meissner Effect [ME] because of its revolutionary spiritual 
implications is extremely important to transformation of the human race 
and the whole planet. This is extremely serious stuff.  People should 
sit up, particularly when they meditate.  Everyone.  Seriously.
-Buck in the Dome
   
   So, Buck, can you tell me exactly how the expulsion of a magnetic field 
   from the interior of a material that is in the process of becoming a 
   superconductor is related to meditation?
   
   Here is some more detail to help you along:
   
   'As a superconductor in a magnetic field is cooled to the temperature at 
   which it abruptly loses electrical resistance, all or part of the 
   magnetic field within the material is expelled. Relatively weak magnetic 
   fields are entirely repulsed from the interior of all superconductors 
   except for a surface layer about one-millionth of an inch thick. The 
   external magnetic field may be made so strong, however, that it prevents 
   a transition to the superconducting state, and the Meissner effect does 
   not occur.'
   
   If one were to make some sort of spiritual analogy to this, it would seem 
   that if one could, with a sufficient amount of surrounding pure 'evil', 
   negate all positivity generated in the domes, if in fact, positivity is 
   generated in the domes. If we look at the goals of the World Plan, we see 
   that none of these goals have been achieved during the past 58 years, and 
   so can conclude that the spiritual analogue of the Meissner effect has 
   been effectively neutralised.
   
   1. Develop the full potential of the individual FAILED
   2. Improve governmental achievements FAILED
   3. Realize the highest ideal of education FAILED
   4. Eliminate the problems of crime and all behavior 
  that brings unhappiness to the family of man FAILED
   5. Maximize the intelligent use of the environment FAILED
   6. Bring fulfillment to the economic aspirations 
  of individuals and society FAILED
   7. Achieve the spiritual goals of mankind in this generation FAILED
   
   A few isolated successes here and there in achieving spiritual goals does 
   not equate with success of the ambitious plan outlined above. The 
   spiritual successes are the outliers in this business.
  
  
  Son, you shan't let a few details get in the way of your third eye and 
  heart chakra together on this.  Sophistry has always been a terrible thing 
  for spiritual progress in the face of spiritual Reality otherwise.  Thee 
  should not let a few intellectual details git in the way of your own 
  progress on this.  Seek ye that kingdom, that realm of the Unified Field 
  within and you shall then Know.  I do feel a root of problem with this for 
  so many, too many, is about poor spiritual epistemology.  There is in fact 
  tremendous grace and forgiveness in the Unified Field.  Ask and you shall 
  receive.
  All the Best,
  -Buck
 



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: psychological rape was parsing etc

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 God, Xeno I do love how you make me laugh at myself here!  

The greatest favor any human being could do for another one.

 Now let me see: dear Xeno you are like some wonderful Greek 
 yogurt, smooth and creamy but with a bit of a bite to it 
 going down, and a little pitta vitiating for this pure 
 pitta Twinkie (-:

Continuing this simile trend, can I be like an 
Italian cannoli that one buys expecting a sweet
creamy filling but bites into discovering that
someone has filled it instead with Howlin' Hot
Sauce (a Santa Fe condiment famous for sneakin'
up on you).  :-)

 
  From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:07 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: psychological rape was parsing etc
  
 
 
   
 share: A part of a larger amount that is divided among a number of people, or 
 to which a number of people contribute.
 
 stein: A large earthenware beer mug (from German for 'rock').
 
 Share you are kind of like the now defunct Hostess Twinkie. Golden sucrose 
 impregnated cake surrounding an ultra sweet soft creamy core, which by virtue 
 of preservatives, lasts for almost an eternity in time. You have that 
 spiritual sense of logic, which is totally dualistic when need be, but 
 outside the rigors of thought in the intuitive sense as its basis.
 
 Judy is like a silicon chip, rock, and circuits through and through 
 surrounded by Gothic spikes. A solid state Twinkie that will puncture you 
 every time.
 
 But when the lioness in you Share, emerges, it is delightful! But a lion is 
 flesh and blood, and spikes can get through.
 
 Judy, unlike you, Share, and unlike Barry, has not discovered that knowledge 
 based in thought is only representational, not truth, and that different 
 representations when run through the filter of logic, result in different 
 conclusions, even if the logic were the same.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Judy, it may be facts in that sense that it's in the archives, but none of 
  what you have EVER said about all this adequately reflects reality much 
  less is reality.  Why?  Because IMO you do not acknowledge all the 
  facts of what was going on for me as I attempted to deal all that began 
  with my Sept 6 upset with Robin.  Yes, my upset, the upset between him 
  and me, and the question of my apologizing to Robin for anything is between 
  him and me only, again IMO.  
  
  But I will add this:  given the mysterious and lofty standards you and 
  Robin present for apologies, why would anyone even attempt such a doomed to 
  fail task?  What I mean by mysterious is Robin rejected my previous 
  apologies because he said they were founded on sentiment.  And recently 
  he explained that sentiment means lacking real feeling.  
  
  How the fuckity
   fuck can he claim to know whether my feelings are real or not?  I guess 
  he can know that they're not real enough for him.  Fine, so be it.  
  But for him to proclaim, as he does over and over, that they are not real 
  at all, well that IMO indicates, just to name one practical thing, that he 
  does not want a reconciliation between us, regardless of what he recently 
  said to Curtis.  
  
  And that's fine too if he doesn't want a reconciliation.  But in that 
  case, you two better get your agendas straight.  Why would I attempt a 
  reconciliation which you demand with someone, Robin who doesn't even want 
  one?!  Have you finally gone totally 'round the bend?!
  
  And BTW, all those times Robin apologized to me back them, what I remember 
  is that there would be an apology.  But there would also be a tag line 
  putting it all back on me.    
  
  Good God, woman don't you hear the arrogance when you say that you will 
  continue to bring it up?  Who died and made you Judge of All 
  Creation?  
  
  Again for the record:  the term psychological rape in terms of Robin's 
  behavior came only from myself.  I probably read it many years ago but 
  not recently and again, no one suggested the term to me.  
  
  
  And btw Ms. Persnickity Only When It Suits Her:  I have noticed that 
  posting about all this you've used the term psychological rapist which I 
  don't remember ever calling Robin.  God what a hypocrite you are! 
  
  
  As for bringing up Robin's eviction of his wife, I brought that up to 
  explain to the FFL newcomers here the power that it sounded like Robin 
  wielded.  
  
  Yeah, you're all about shaming people, aren't you Judy?  Well shame on 
  you for your just about total lack of compassion, except for a few.  And 
  for your continuing to dredge all this up and then shaming me for bringing 
  up details.  Again, what a hypocrite you are!  More so because you 
  present yourself as being 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Two Explosions at the Boston Marathon Finish Line

[Mike Dixon]

It's going to take a REAL woman to lead that charge. Maybe Dianne Feinstein 
will put away her attack on the second amendment and go after something more 
meaningful like pressure cookers.


  


 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Two Explosions at the Boston Marathon Finish 
Line
  
 
   
 
On 04/17/2013 06:49 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
 Bhairitu:
 Astrology is a weather report and always has been
 for the propensity of events happening...

 REMINDER: Boston Marathon bombs similar to Bill Ayers'
 Weather Underground nail bomb. That device was intended
 to be detonated at a soldiers' dance at Fort Dix, New
 Jersey.

 Boston Marathon Explosion - Live Update Thread #8
 Reddit:
 http://tinyurl.com/cdlyw3t

 Posted by Glenn Reynolds:
 http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/167225/



We must ban pressure cookers!

   
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New York Times op-ed. Read it.

[Mike Dixon]

Maybe not so bad. Probably a bunch of punks who were kept out of real trouble 
by being incarrcerated. In Texas if you're found innocent after doing time, you 
get 80 thousand for every year you did. They would have been given a lump sum, 
they would probably never have been able to match, the rest of their lives. But 
then again, I bet they'd blow it on drugs and partying within a year. Karma can 
be a bitch.

 


 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:50 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New York Times op-ed. Read it.
  
 
 
   
 
Another awful injustice: 

I saw an excellent special on PBS last night, produced by Ken Burns, about The 
Central Park Five. There was a horrific rape and beating of a jogger in the 
late 80's in New York City's Central Park. Police rounded up five kids, 14-16, 
convicted them all, and sent them away for seven to eleven years - no DNA 
evidence, all based on coerced confessions. Then the real criminal stepped 
forward, confessed, and matched the DNA evidence, and the two still in prison 
were let go. All  five were exonerated, but basically live ruined lives now. 

--- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... 
wrote:

 I think it was the 11 years that got to me.  Well that and the descriptions 
 of the various forms of forced feeding.  I agree, either try them or let them 
 go home and yes it is a disgrace to our country, huge disgrace and this alone 
 will make me rethink how I vote next time.  This may sound stupid but after I 
 read it last night I was praying to God to tell me what more I can do to help.
 
 
 
 
 
  From: feste37 feste37@...
 To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New York Times op-ed. Read it.
 
 
 
   
 This man should be allowed to go home. Prisoners in Guantanamo should be 
 either tried or released, and the prison closed. Everyone knows this is the 
 right thing to do, and Obama promised to close it within a year of taking 
 office in 2009. It's a disgrace that this is being done in our name. 
 
 --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ 
 wrote:
 
  feste I wish I hadn't read this.ย  And I'm so glad I did.ย  Thank you so 
  much for sending.ย  I've forwarded it to a friend who has a huge email 
  list.ย  Also I'm keeping it in my inbox so I won't forget.ย  Will see what 
  more I can do.ย  
  
  
  
  
  
   From: feste37 feste37@
  To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:14 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] New York Times op-ed. Read it.
  
  
  
  ย  
  Gitmo Is Killing Me
  By SAMIR NAJI al HASAN MOQBEL
  
  GUANTร�NAMO BAY, Cuba
  
  ONE man here weighs just 77 pounds. Another, 98. Last thing I knew, I 
  weighed 132, but that was a month ago.
  
  I've been on a hunger strike since Feb. 10 and have lost well over 30 
  pounds. I will not eat until they restore my dignity.
  
  I've been detained at Guantรกnamo for 11 years and three months. I have 
  never been charged with any crime. I have never received a trial.
  
  I could have been home years ago โ€ no one seriously thinks I am a threat 
  โ€ but still I am here. Years ago the military said I was a guard for 
  Osama bin Laden, but this was nonsense, like something out of the American 
  movies I used to watch. They don't even seem to believe it anymore. But 
  they don't seem to care how long I sit here, either. 
  
  More:
  
  http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/15/opinion/hunger-striking-at-guantanamo-bay.html
 


   
 

[FairfieldLife] For those of us who love words...

[turquoiseb]

...in any language, this is sad news. Your regional 
language is on the endangered list:

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/04/15/dying_languages_scientists_fret_as_one_disappears_every_14_days.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Carlos Castaneda on self-importance and petty tyrants

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 I haven't glanced at Castaneda's stuff for years. I was appalled by the 
 excerpt. It reads like some gooey-eyed sophomore, making big, unqualified 
 statements, about warriors and petty tyrants. It is all in his head. I 
 cannot imagine what value Barry sees in it.

Perhaps you were appalled because one of the very first statement:

'...what weakens us is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our 
fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives 
offended by someone.'

If you are appalled, you have not seen through the veil called ignorance. Barry 
makes big unqualified statements, though there is usually a disclaimer from 
time to time that is it merely opinion. I make unqualified statements. 
Maharishi made all sorts of unqualified statements. The human universe is a 
morass of unqualified statements.

What one needs is a strategy for sorting out what is useful and what is not. 
And each person has to find out for themselves which strategies work for them. 
When you consult a teacher, a master, you are not turning over your life to 
them. What you are trying to do is reclaim your life. What you are attempting 
to get from them is the means to sort out what is useful for reclaiming life. 
Surrender is suicide of the ego, not turning your life over to someone else to 
run it for you. The teacher, the master is the tool you select to do this. 
Maybe you get the wrong tool several times in a row. Keep trying.

Enlightenment, conceived as a path of knowledge, is not a technique, it is a 
strategy. Sometimes you need to retreat, sometimes attack, sometimes just sit 
still. Techniques can be part of the strategy, as can be dedication to your 
purpose, and some kind of visualisation of the goal, which cannot be too 
precise because all one's ideas about the goal are really largely mistaken for 
most of the journey.

Casteneda's quotes here (and I have not read anything by him in almost 40 
years) are all to this purpose of liberation from ones self-imposed 
limitations. Having an adversary is very useful, especially a good one. You 
cannot learn chess against a weak adversary; you will not discover your inept 
play this way. It is like a chess game. Anything you can find that acts as your 
adversary can help. My first adversary on FFL was Barry, and it helped clear up 
a lot of fogginess in my experience. Judy has also been useful. Judy fits the 
definition of petty tyrant. Robin is a more sophisticated tyrant, less petty, 
but more capable, and more consciously self-involved. Once you get what you 
want from these obstacles, you can retreat.

I think Barry's assessment here that Casteneda, the ultimate con man, 
nonetheless has said some very useful things. It is not what other people say, 
but how you manage their effect on you that makes them valuable. Thus whether 
who you are consulting is Christ or Hitler, Buddha or Stalin, you can find 
something that will aid you in the quest for life. The goal is not to become 
what THEY are, but what YOU are.

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those of us who love words...

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 ...in any language, this is sad news. Your regional 
 language is on the endangered list:
 
 http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/04/15/dying_languages_scientists_fret_as_one_disappears_every_14_days.html


Gev nitfual djedzivasa, obistha senhastenen veverhinan!

[FairfieldLife] Ding dong, the witch is almost posted out...

[turquoiseb]

Doncha just love Wednesday through Friday (or earlier)
recently? The most obsessive poster has nearly posted 
out, and her minions are such toadying pussies that they 
are either afraid to get really nasty without her present
to support or stroke them, or they can't think of anything
to say without her here to prompt them. 

It leaves the rest of us free to talk about whatever
the fuck we want, in relative peace, and with very
few engineered arguments. Such a deal. 

Belatedly, all praise in this regard should go to Rick,
who SO wisely implemented the posting limit some time
back. Without it, some would still be flooding this
forum with hundreds of vomit-posts a week. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[Share Long]

laughinggull I want to say that sometimes I find Robin's writing simple and 
clear.  But very often I find it unclear and voluminous which for me adds up to 
unreadable.  IMO Judy demonstrates a certain kind of co dependent arrogance 
every time she berates people for not getting off their butts, putting in the 
effort, etc. to understand Robin's writing.  Other posters here manages many 
times to be both clear AND profound.  Why can't Robin?  Ok, ok, people have a 
right to have their unique voice.  And I actually enjoy all the different 
writing styles.  But if a person wants to be understood, wouldn't they make an 
attempt to write more clearly for their audience?  Especially given that at 
other times they are able to do so?     





 From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:25 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you
  *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog
  ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy
  archives that you *did* try, just as others here have
  asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you
  know who.
 
 Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators
 around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which
 they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an
 incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been
 involved, making it sound shifty.

My purposeful removal of names, as in this case, was so as not to bring more 
attention to those that probably crave it.

 We know who you know who is, of course. But others here
 refers to Xeno and those 'in the know' refers to me.

Others here now includes Steve, and also includes me as I've asked Robin on 
at least one occasion to explain in language that I can understand without all 
the other stuff that merely confuses the point he is making. In the  know now 
includes dumbass, and might also include Ann, RD, and Emily who on several 
occasions have indicated that they understand what he has written.

 Here's what really happened: Xeno demanded that I interpret
 some post of Robin's *in order to prove* that I understood
 him, and I refused to do any interpreting on that basis. I
 considered it insulting, given that I had already spent a
 huge amount of time explaining Robin to people (including
 Xeno) who couldn't take the time to read his posts, or at
 least to put any effort into absorbing what he had said.
 
  The evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody really
  knows what he's talking about.
 
 No, there's no such evidence. I think what you mean is
 that *you* have trouble understanding him. We know he
 confuses Steve and Xeno and Barry and Share as well, but
 the five of you aren't everybody.

You are correct...I have great trouble understanding him.

  Too bad as I was really
  hoping that we had a saint in our midst.
 
 Well, that was pretty silly, wasn't it? You know, since
 Robin himself would be the first person to discourage the
 notion. Nor did DrD suggest such a thing. Robin is 
 REELY RELY smart, but he ain't no saint.

That was the final snarky jab there. While maybe not a saint, I'm always hoping 
I can learn something from everyone who comments here.

 Also, it appears neither you nor Steve read what DrD
 wrote with attention. He was suggesting that folks try
 validating his analysis of Robin's writing for themselves,
 not offering to do it for them.
 
 Hmm, now I'm beginning to see what's behind this. You and
 Steve don't want to risk the attempt, because if you tried
 and couldn't see what DrD describes, you'd be hesitant to
 report your failure lest it appear that it was due to your
 lack of comprehension, rather than DrD's analysis being
 faulty.
 
 So your cowardice in this regard leads you to imply that
 DrD and I have been posturing and that Robin has said
 nothing of any significance.
 
 I would expect that kind of craven maneuver from Steve.
 I'm surprised to see you engaging in it, LG.

It's not deliberate by any means but rather arises from a sense of frustration 
in not being about to understand what someone is writing. BTW, Robin's not the 
only one whose writing I don't get. I'm open to understanding but none of you 
are helping other than to say get off your ass, put some work into it, or 
provide links to the posts so we can go back and read them again. Don't you see 
how circular this is? And your explanations are by no means succinct nor easy 
to understand.

Perhaps one of my motives *is* to prove you wrong but for the life of me, I 
don't know why. I guess I have some work ahead.

 The really interesting thing is that Robin isn't all that
 hard to understand for those 

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 laughinggull I want to say that sometimes I find Robin's 
 writing simple and clear. But very often I find it unclear 
 and voluminous which for me adds up to unreadable. IMO Judy 
 demonstrates a certain kind of co dependent arrogance every 
 time she berates people for not getting off their butts, 
 putting in the effort, etc. to understand Robin's writing. 
 Other posters here manages many times to be both clear AND 
 profound. Why can't Robin? Ok, ok, people have a right to 
 have their unique voice. And I actually enjoy all the 
 different writing styles. But if a person wants to be 
 understood, wouldn't they make an attempt to write more 
 clearly for their audience? Especially given that at other 
 times they are able to do so?

There are SO many issues in Robin's writing that one
could spend FAR more energy analyzing them than is
worth the effort, but one of them is the endless
repetition. 

My interpretation of this is that the guy really
has very few ideas, so he thinks that by repeating
the few he has ad nauseum, he'll beat people into
submission and get them to agree with them. As a 
satirical example:

Curtis is bad. He is worse than bad, he is evil
and duplicitous and bad because he sucked me into 
dealing with him under false pretenses. And Curtis 
is a liar and despicable because of this. Besides 
this, Curtis won't rise to my provocations and 
taunts, so that makes him bad. And his badness 
doesn't stop there, because he's just so...so...
so BAD.

Judy never tires of reading this repetitious 
drivel, because it's what she wants people to be
saying about Curtis. The rest of us -- a tad more
grounded in reality and *having a life* -- tune
it out at the first repetition and click Next. 


 
  From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:25 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
  
 
 
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you
   *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog
   ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy
   archives that you *did* try, just as others here have
   asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you
   know who.
  
  Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators
  around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which
  they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an
  incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been
  involved, making it sound shifty.
 
 My purposeful removal of names, as in this case, was so as not to bring more 
 attention to those that probably crave it.
 
  We know who you know who is, of course. But others here
  refers to Xeno and those 'in the know' refers to me.
 
 Others here now includes Steve, and also includes me as I've asked Robin on 
 at least one occasion to explain in language that I can understand without 
 all the other stuff that merely confuses the point he is making. In the  
 know now includes dumbass, and might also include Ann, RD, and Emily who on 
 several occasions have indicated that they understand what he has written.
 
  Here's what really happened: Xeno demanded that I interpret
  some post of Robin's *in order to prove* that I understood
  him, and I refused to do any interpreting on that basis. I
  considered it insulting, given that I had already spent a
  huge amount of time explaining Robin to people (including
  Xeno) who couldn't take the time to read his posts, or at
  least to put any effort into absorbing what he had said.
  
   The evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody really
   knows what he's talking about.
  
  No, there's no such evidence. I think what you mean is
  that *you* have trouble understanding him. We know he
  confuses Steve and Xeno and Barry and Share as well, but
  the five of you aren't everybody.
 
 You are correct...I have great trouble understanding him.
 
   Too bad as I was really
   hoping that we had a saint in our midst.
  
  Well, that was pretty silly, wasn't it? You know, since
  Robin himself would be the first person to discourage the
  notion. Nor did DrD suggest such a thing. Robin is 
  REELY RELY smart, but he ain't no saint.
 
 That was the final snarky jab there. While maybe not a saint, I'm always 
 hoping I can learn something from everyone who comments here.
 
  Also, it appears neither you nor Steve read what DrD
  wrote with attention. He was suggesting that folks try
  validating his analysis of Robin's writing for themselves,
  not offering to do it for them.
  
  Hmm, now I'm beginning to see what's behind this. You and
  Steve don't want to risk the attempt, because if you tried
  and 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[Ravi Chivukula]

OMG - hilarious stuff dear Share - what a clueless, dishonest person you are. 
Judy has exposed your lies several times - yet you are unwilling, unable to see 
it.

No - Robin doesn't have to dumb down his brilliance for you, Barry, LG and 
Steve, all you need is a dictionary, a heart to feel the beauty of his words.

I will get to your garbage when I have some time.


On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:

 laughinggull I want to say that sometimes I find Robin's writing simple and 
 clear.  But very often I find it unclear and voluminous which for me adds up 
 to unreadable.  IMO Judy demonstrates a certain kind of co dependent 
 arrogance every time she berates people for not getting off their butts, 
 putting in the effort, etc. to understand Robin's writing.  Other posters 
 here manages many times to be both clear AND profound.  Why can't Robin?  Ok, 
 ok, people have a right to have their unique voice.  And I actually enjoy all 
 the different writing styles.  But if a person wants to be understood, 
 wouldn't they make an attempt to write more clearly for their audience?  
 Especially given that at other times they are able to do so? 
 
 
 From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:25 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
 
  
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you
   *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog
   ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy
   archives that you *did* try, just as others here have
   asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you
   know who.
  
  Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators
  around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which
  they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an
  incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been
  involved, making it sound shifty.
 
 My purposeful removal of names, as in this case, was so as not to bring more 
 attention to those that probably crave it.
 
  We know who you know who is, of course. But others here
  refers to Xeno and those 'in the know' refers to me.
 
 Others here now includes Steve, and also includes me as I've asked Robin on 
 at least one occasion to explain in language that I can understand without 
 all the other stuff that merely confuses the point he is making. In the 
 know now includes dumbass, and might also include Ann, RD, and Emily who on 
 several occasions have indicated that they understand what he has written.
 
  Here's what really happened: Xeno demanded that I interpret
  some post of Robin's *in order to prove* that I understood
  him, and I refused to do any interpreting on that basis. I
  considered it insulting, given that I had already spent a
  huge amount of time explaining Robin to people (including
  Xeno) who couldn't take the time to read his posts, or at
  least to put any effort into absorbing what he had said.
  
   The evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody really
   knows what he's talking about.
  
  No, there's no such evidence. I think what you mean is
  that *you* have trouble understanding him. We know he
  confuses Steve and Xeno and Barry and Share as well, but
  the five of you aren't everybody.
 
 You are correct...I have great trouble understanding him.
 
  Too bad as I was really
   hoping that we had a saint in our midst.
  
  Well, that was pretty silly, wasn't it? You know, since
  Robin himself would be the first person to discourage the
  notion. Nor did DrD suggest such a thing. Robin is 
  REELY RELY smart, but he ain't no saint.
 
 That was the final snarky jab there. While maybe not a saint, I'm always 
 hoping I can learn something from everyone who comments here.
 
  Also, it appears neither you nor Steve read what DrD
  wrote with attention. He was suggesting that folks try
  validating his analysis of Robin's writing for themselves,
  not offering to do it for them.
  
  Hmm, now I'm beginning to see what's behind this. You and
  Steve don't want to risk the attempt, because if you tried
  and couldn't see what DrD describes, you'd be hesitant to
  report your failure lest it appear that it was due to your
  lack of comprehension, rather than DrD's analysis being
  faulty.
  
  So your cowardice in this regard leads you to imply that
  DrD and I have been posturing and that Robin has said
  nothing of any significance.
  
  I would expect that kind of craven maneuver from Steve.
  I'm surprised to see you engaging in it, LG.
 
 It's not deliberate by any means but rather arises from a sense of 
 frustration in not being about to understand what someone is writing. BTW, 
 Robin's not the only one whose writing I don't get. I'm open to 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum and classical?

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 What would you say the demands of the Unified Field are?
 
 
Sorry to butt into this conversation, but according to an e-mail the unified 
field sent me, it is requiring that I deposit a certain specified sum of money 
in a particular bank account or it will fine me US$39.

That means I have to stop posting and get off my butt, and work out a way to 
adjust this particular aspect of absolute being, or I can still just sit on my 
butt, and probably there will be more messages with more demands. I have a 
memory that this is a possible alternative.

What should I do? Should I consult the Oracle at Delphi, which unfortunately is 
some 7,700km away from where I live now, or should a consult a financial expert 
at great cost ('I think perhaps you should put some money in that account')? Or 
maybe I should consult a saint and get their blessing ('meditate on the Divine 
Mother, and all will be well')? Should I sit and meditate, in the hope that all 
the laws of nature will support?

Life is just so perplexing. One just does not know where to turn to get someone 
to do something for you for free.

 
 
  From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:20 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum and classical?
  
 
 
   
 Yeah, true, the unified field goes about stuff in exactly one way, and if 
 we decide to do things another way, we get hurt. Automatically. For example, 
 every time I jump up, and move my body into a horizontal position, and then 
 fall onto a hard surface, it hurts like hell. So who's fault is that?
 
 To say dismissively that the unified field doesn't give a crap about us, is 
 only half right. When we discover what the unified field wants, simply by 
 conforming to its demands, in subtler and subtler ways, we eventually learn 
 that there is a method to the madness, which incorporates madness itself. 
 
 It seems illogical, in opposition to all of me. And it is. The unified field 
 definitely calls the shots, and it always wins. However, in full submission 
 to it, is found peace, the living transcendent, ourselves. A perfect paradox, 
 submission and freedom.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  Not according to the Yoga Vasistha and other vedic writings - Divine 
  Mother, Divine Father and ANY AND ALL aspects of creation are expressions 
  of the Unified Field as are any and all qualities we might emotionally 
  ascribe to such deities, therefore my original statement stands - the 
  Unified Field doesn't give a crap about us in our lives and activities 
  the way we like to fantasize that it does.
  
  On a completely different note, but not too dissimilar I see no evidence 
  that there are any Ascended Masters who have this big Divine Plan to make 
  the world into a better place for humanity's benefit - if they do, they 
  have a funny way of showing it.
  
  
  
  
  
   From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:14 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum and classical?
  
  
  
    
  The impulses and love of the Divine Mother are what flows through the 
  nascent Unbounded. Unseen, and endlessly moving towards creation, endless 
  birth and rebirth, from the virtually endless body of the Divine Mother. 
  Too infinite to influence, yet personal enough to form a bond for life 
  with. 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
  
   Oh my oh my oh my - I think the Vedic rishis would emphatically disagree 
   with you - God comes FROM the Unbounded. - Oh what I fine topic of 
   discussion for FFL.
   
   
   
   
   
From: feste37 feste37@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:40 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum and classical?
   
   
   
     
   The unified field may not, Michael, but God does -- and God is in charge 
   of the unified field. 
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
   
I've got news for you - the Unified Field doesn't give a crap about 
any of us or what we do - it is beyond all such considerations - 
ascribing emotional qualities such as grace and forgiveness is pasting 
our desire for such things onto the object (or in this case practice) 
we pin our hopes on to give us the grace and forgiveness we seek.

If you don't believe me, and need Vedic confirmation, read a bit of 
the Yoga Vashistha to see what it says about the Unified Field giving 
a crap about us and what we do. 





 From: Buck dhamiltony2k5@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:57 AM

[FairfieldLife] Re: psychological rape was parsing etc

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 Judy, it may be facts in that sense that it's in the archives, but
none of what you have EVER said about all this adequately reflects
reality much less is reality.  Why?  Because IMO you do not
acknowledge all the facts of what was going on for me as I attempted to
deal all that began with my Sept 6 upset with Robin.  Yes, my upset,
the upset between him and me, and the question of my apologizing to
Robin for anything is between him and me only, again IMO.Â

 But I will add this:Â  given the mysterious and lofty standards you
and Robin present for apologies, why would anyone even attempt such a
doomed to fail task?  What I mean by mysterious is Robin rejected my
previous apologies because he said they were founded on sentiment. 
And recently he explained that sentiment means lacking real feeling.Â

 How the fuckity
  fuck can he claim to know whether my feelings are real or not?  I
guess he can know that they're not real enough for him.  Fine, so be
it.  But for him to proclaim, as he does over and over, that they
are not real at all, well that IMO indicates, just to name one practical
thing, that he does not want a reconciliation between us, regardless of
what he recently said to Curtis.Â

 And that's fine too if he doesn't want a reconciliation.  But in
that case, you two better get your agendas straight.  Why would I
attempt a reconciliation which you demand with someone, Robin who
doesn't even want one?!  Have you finally gone totally 'round the
bend?!

 And BTW, all those times Robin apologized to me back them, what I
remember is that there would be an apology.  But there would also be
a tag line putting it all back on me. Â Â

 Good God, woman don't you hear the arrogance when you say that you
will continue to bring it up?  Who died and made you Judge of All
Creation?Â

 Again for the record:Â  the term psychological rape in terms of
Robin's behavior came only from myself.  I probably read it many
years ago but not recently and again, no one suggested the term to
me.Â


 And btw Ms. Persnickity Only When It Suits Her:Â  I have noticed
that posting about all this you've used the term psychological rapist
which I don't remember ever calling Robin.  God what a hypocrite you
are!


 As for bringing up Robin's eviction of his wife, I brought that up to
explain to the FFL newcomers here the power that it sounded like Robin
wielded.Â

 Yeah, you're all about shaming people, aren't you Judy?  Well
shame on you for your just about total lack of compassion, except for a
few.  And for your continuing to dredge all this up and then shaming
me for bringing up details.  Again, what a hypocrite you are! 
More so because you present yourself as being all about truth.Â


 Judy to Steve:Â  But he's willing to push them a little
  to see if maybe he can get them to the point at which they
  *will* be interesting to have a dialogue with.

 Me repeating what I said before:Â  I hope that when Robin pushes
people, I hope that he is motivated by more than getting them
interesting enough to have a dialogue with.



  [Roz_chast_2]



 
  From: authfriend authfriend@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 11:24 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: psychological rape was parsing etc



 Â
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Judy, if the psychological rape incident is all hoo-hah
  as you say below, then why are you still bringing it up?!

 That question makes no sense. Do you know what hoo-hah
 means? Look it up.

 I'm still bringing it up because it's never been resolved.
 You haven't apologized. You haven't explained the
 contradiction between your comments at the time the
 incident happened, in which you declared that you weren't
 upset by it (and initially, that you yourself had been at
 fault because you'd eaten too much sugar and were feeling
 grumpy), and your assertion four weeks later that you
 had been psychologically raped and that the very same
 incident had upset you terribly.

 All this is on the record, Share. It's facts, reality,
 which you refuse to face.

  And since I am no longer accusing Robin of psychological
  rape, I think it unhealthy of you to continue bringing it
  up.

 I will continue to bring it up until you apologize *and*
 explain the discrepancy between your comments at the time
 the incident happened and your accusation of psychological
 rape four weeks later.

 No longer accusing is not sufficient. What's required is
 an explicit retraction of the accusation.

 What's unhealthy is your inability to deal with all this.

 And I'm snipping your unhealthy bullshit designed to distract
 attention from the point at issue here.

 (snip)

  I think once before you raised the question of some Robin
  hater causing me to use the term psychological rape. No
  one in person or via electronic devise or printed matter
  suggested 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[Share Long]

Ravi, the first week you were in San Diego, you sounded happy.  But the longer 
you stay there, the more miserable you sound.  And sadly you've just about 
totally lost your sense of humor.  I hope your project there ends soon and you 
can return home and be happy again.  

BTW I agree that Robin does not have to dumb down his brilliance for anyone and 
I think that many of us feel the beauty of his words sometimes.  I'm talking 
about the other times when one needs a buzzsaw to cut through the jungle of 
words and phrases to get to the conceptual oasis.  And don't even get me 
started on the Irony!  For that one needs as reading assistant, the two headed 
Hydra, one head parsing for the straight forward meaning and one for the 
Descartian doubt technique meaning.  





 From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
 


  
OMG - hilarious stuff dear Share - what a clueless, dishonest person you are. 
Judy has exposed your lies several times - yet you are unwilling, unable to see 
it.

No - Robin doesn't have to dumb down his brilliance for you, Barry, LG and 
Steve, all you need is a dictionary, a heart to feel the beauty of his words.

I will get to your garbage when I have some time.


On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:


  
laughinggull I want to say that sometimes I find Robin's writing simple and 
clear.  But very often I find it unclear and voluminous which for me adds up 
to unreadable.  IMO Judy demonstrates a certain kind of co dependent arrogance 
every time she berates people for not getting off their butts, putting in the 
effort, etc. to understand Robin's writing.  Other posters here manages many 
times to be both clear AND profound.  Why can't Robin?  Ok, ok, people have a 
right to have their unique voice.  And I actually enjoy all the different 
writing styles.  But if a person wants to be understood, wouldn't they make an 
attempt to write more clearly for their audience?  Especially given that at 
other times they are able to do so?     







 From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:25 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you
  *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog
  ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy
  archives that you *did* try, just as others here have
  asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you
  know who.
 
 Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators
 around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which
 they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an
 incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been
 involved, making it sound shifty.

My purposeful removal of names, as in this case, was so as not to bring more 
attention to those that probably crave it.

 We know who you know who is, of course. But others here
 refers to Xeno and those 'in the know' refers to me.

Others here now includes Steve, and also includes me as I've asked Robin on 
at least one occasion to explain in language that I can understand without all 
the other stuff that merely confuses the point he is making. In the  know 
now includes dumbass, and might also include Ann, RD, and Emily who on several 
occasions have indicated that they understand what he has written.

 Here's what really happened: Xeno demanded that I interpret
 some post of Robin's *in order to prove* that I understood
 him, and I refused to do any interpreting on that basis. I
 considered it insulting, given that I had already spent a
 huge amount of time explaining Robin to people (including
 Xeno) who couldn't take the time to read his posts, or at
 least to put any effort into absorbing what he had said.
 
  The evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody really
  knows what he's talking about.
 
 No, there's no such evidence. I think what you mean is
 that *you* have trouble understanding him. We know he
 confuses Steve and Xeno and Barry and Share as well, but
 the five of you aren't everybody.

You are correct...I have great trouble understanding him.

  Too bad as I was really
  hoping that we had a saint in our midst.
 
 Well, that was pretty silly, wasn't it? You know, since
 Robin himself would be the first person to discourage the
 notion. Nor did DrD suggest such a thing. Robin is 
 REELY RELY smart, but he ain't no saint.

That was the final snarky jab there. While maybe not a saint, I'm always 
hoping I can learn something 

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those of us who love words...

[John]

Language is a mystery.  It changes like the wind based on the politics and 
economics of the region or culture.  Take English for example.  The USA has the 
largest number of English speakers.  Guess what country is  second?

Believe it or not it's India.

Guess what country is the third?

The Philippines is the correct answer.

And oddly enough England is placed at fifth place.

The point is that English as a language is evolving just like all the rest in 
the world.  The English spoken in the USA is quite distinct from the one spoken 
in England.  IMO, American English has adopted and borrowed words from other 
cultures who happen to live in the USA.  Specifically, foreign words like 
sushi, dim sum, chop suey, chow mein, burrito, tacos, and chai or tandoori 
chicken have become common household names for food. 

Unfortunately for others some languages become extinct.  As the ex-governor of 
California used to say in one of his movies:  Hasta la vista, baby!

JR







--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 ...in any language, this is sad news. Your regional 
 language is on the endangered list:
 
 http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/04/15/dying_languages_scientists_fret_as_one_disappears_every_14_days.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Carlos Castaneda on shamans that eat fungi

[Richard J. Williams]

  Everyone knows that Castaneda and Rama got most of 
  their ideas from reading books like the Bhagavad Gita
  and the Ramayana epic. Some of these ideas they  wrote
  about are almost pure Buddhism and Hinduism. In the 
  latter case, Rama got most of his stuff from Blavatsky.
  
  But, neither was apparently a real warrior. Go figure.
 
turquoiseb:
 ...I will correct you.

You are incorrect: Rama got almost all of his 
ideas from reading books like the Gita with his
guru Sri Chinmoy:

...Master Fwap told me that most people who have been 
enlightened in their previous incarnations would normally 
begin to regain their past-life enlightenment-if they lived 
at sea level-at around the age of twenty-nine, when their 
astrological Saturn return took place. He said that living 
in or near sacred mountains, because of their beneficial 
auric influences, often made past-life returns happen even 
faster.

'Surfing the Himalayas: A Spiritual Adventure'
by Frederick Lenz
St. Martin's Press, 1997 
 
 NOTHING could be further from the truth that
 Castaneda based the stuff in his books on Indian
 scriptures or concepts. His Warrior's Way
 teaching really IS based more on Yaqui concepts
 that he admittedly might have stolen from real
 Mexican shamans. 
 
Well, I don't think so - it's all about shamanism,
just like the SHAMANS in Asia. Where do you think
the 'Indians' came from, Spain? Go figure.
 
Everyone knows that the Toltec rituals described 
by Carlos are were gleaned from other literary 
sources that used Amanita, Peyote, and Datura. 

The Native Americans came from Eurasia!

History of Native Americans in the United States:
http://tinyurl.com/d4qvq83

 But these concepts have almost nothing to do with
 Eastern teachings. The entire emphasis is on *Life
 In The Relative*, and living it as well and as 
 successfully as possible. There is no concept of 
 enlightenment, no concept of reincarnation, and
 above all no concept of renunciation or withdrawal
 from the world. It's a very, very, very pragmatic
 set of teachings, having to do with life here in
 the real world, and how to make that life work 
 as successfully as possible. 
 
 While there ARE concepts of saving and storing
 energy for the purposes of exploring different
 levels of life (Separate Realities, to use his
 term), there is NO sense of evolution or progress
 towards some Woo Woo goal of enlightenment or 
 liberation as it is thought of in New Agey versions 
 of Hindu and Eastern teachings (read TM). In his
 view, ya get out of life pretty much what you
 put into it -- no karma, no past-life influences,
 no astrological influences, certainly no S-V 
 influences, and above all no gods, goddesses, or 
 other beings whose asses you have to kiss to 
 evolve or have nice things happen to you. 

Carlos's use of the term nagual comes from shamans 
in Asia who take the psychoactive substances and 
morph into other animal forms just, like in the 
Hindu Puranas, through magic rituals and incantations. 

 Get some smarts, dumbass. If you *ever* read 
 Carlos Castaneda, it must have been back during
 a period when you were seriously stoned, 

Well, yeah, I think that's the point, Barry, to eat
the toadstools, not read books about them. 

Show me your fungus. 

 because you missed pretty much all of the major 
 points of what he was about.  :-)

Where do you think the idea of eating mushrooms and
flying up into the air came from? Siberia? LoL!

...he was sitting in the UCLA library and he was 
reading someone else's description of their experience 
of the peyote ceremony. Other criticisms of Castaneda's 
work include the total lack of Yaqui vocabulary or 
terms for any of his experiences.

Carlos Castaneda:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Castaneda

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[Ravi Chivukula]

No it's not being miserable dear Share - it's disgust, pure contempt for vile, 
vindictive liars and your partner in crime 7R27 - a man who can't answer simple 
questions of mine and rather resorts to slander - totally devoid of any 
integrity, intelligence.

Robin has explained irony in detail - you are too corrupted, muddled by your 
sentimentality to understand it. The basic concept is this - you approach 
someone with sincerity and when you realize the person doesn't get it - for 
example a sick, corrupted person like you or that slandering retarded friend of 
yours you are then forced to switch to irony.

It's beautiful - I love Robin when he does that. The beauty of his irony, you 
will never get it but that won't stop you from lying, twisting and manipulating 
- would it dear Share?


On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:52 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Ravi, the first week you were in San Diego, you sounded happy.  But the 
 longer you stay there, the more miserable you sound.  And sadly you've just 
 about totally lost your sense of humor.  I hope your project there ends soon 
 and you can return home and be happy again.  
 
 BTW I agree that Robin does not have to dumb down his brilliance for anyone 
 and I think that many of us feel the beauty of his words sometimes.  I'm 
 talking about the other times when one needs a buzzsaw to cut through the 
 jungle of words and phrases to get to the conceptual oasis.  And don't even 
 get me started on the Irony!  For that one needs as reading assistant, the 
 two headed Hydra, one head parsing for the straight forward meaning and one 
 for the Descartian doubt technique meaning.   
 
 
 From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
 
  
 OMG - hilarious stuff dear Share - what a clueless, dishonest person you are. 
 Judy has exposed your lies several times - yet you are unwilling, unable to 
 see it.
 
 No - Robin doesn't have to dumb down his brilliance for you, Barry, LG and 
 Steve, all you need is a dictionary, a heart to feel the beauty of his words.
 
 I will get to your garbage when I have some time.
 
 
 On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
 laughinggull I want to say that sometimes I find Robin's writing simple and 
 clear.  But very often I find it unclear and voluminous which for me adds up 
 to unreadable.  IMO Judy demonstrates a certain kind of co dependent 
 arrogance every time she berates people for not getting off their butts, 
 putting in the effort, etc. to understand Robin's writing.  Other posters 
 here manages many times to be both clear AND profound.  Why can't Robin?  
 Ok, ok, people have a right to have their unique voice.  And I actually 
 enjoy all the different writing styles.  But if a person wants to be 
 understood, wouldn't they make an attempt to write more clearly for their 
 audience?  Especially given that at other times they are able to do so? 
 
 
 From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:25 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
 
  
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you
   *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog
   ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy
   archives that you *did* try, just as others here have
   asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you
   know who.
  
  Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators
  around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which
  they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an
  incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been
  involved, making it sound shifty.
 
 My purposeful removal of names, as in this case, was so as not to bring more 
 attention to those that probably crave it.
 
  We know who you know who is, of course. But others here
  refers to Xeno and those 'in the know' refers to me.
 
 Others here now includes Steve, and also includes me as I've asked Robin 
 on at least one occasion to explain in language that I can understand 
 without all the other stuff that merely confuses the point he is making. In 
 the know now includes dumbass, and might also include Ann, RD, and Emily 
 who on several occasions have indicated that they understand what he has 
 written.
 
  Here's what really happened: Xeno demanded that I interpret
  some post of Robin's *in order to prove* that I understood
  him, and I refused to do any interpreting on that basis. I
  considered it insulting, given that I had already spent a
  huge amount of time explaining Robin to people 

[FairfieldLife] Re: psychological rape was parsing etc

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann  wrote:
[Cartoon at
http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/images/roz_chast_2.jp\
g]

As you made no comment, this seems ambiguous. Does this represent Share,
or Judy, or Robin, or others of us?

It pretty much symbolises the Casteneda phrase that Barry posted
earlier: '...feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellow
men. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives
offended by someone.' Or just offended by whatever is going on. I do
know people that are continually offended by just whatever is happening
in the world. It seemed more to me that that post of Share's was an
analysis of Judy's behaviour rather than Share just being ticked off,
and I did not myself feel she was offended (for only Share knows if she
felt this). There is a difference in being annoyed and in being
offended. Annoyance is irritation, like a fly landing on your nose. Ego
is not necessarily involved. Offense is an annoyance that involves the
ego, the false self, one's fictional sense of importance, that whatever
is happening should not happen to 'me' because I am 'me', and the world
should acknowledge the way I want the world to be.
And that reminds me, I totally forgot I was going to reply to another
post of yours. But at the moment I have to deal with some frigging bank.
Gosh, this should not be happening to me. The world is not doing what I
want. This is a disaster of immense proportions.

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[seventhray27]

Share, you got your Kali out, and I like it immensely.  But even your
Kali is always tempered with a big dose of realism and compassion.
Did you notice the other day when Ravi was conversing with Michael and
(to a lesser extent), me in a, what you might call, normal fashion. 
Just some back and forth.  No lording over, no I AM THIS, THAT, AND THE
OTHER, thing going on.   I thought it was pretty cool.  But I figured it
wouldn't last long, and sure enough, it didn't.
I'm gonna go back and read his comment that elicited this response on
your part.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 Ravi, the first week you were in San Diego, you sounded happy. 
But the longer you stay there, the more miserable you sound.  And
sadly you've just about totally lost your sense of humor.  I hope
your project there ends soon and you can return home and be happy
again.Â

 BTW I agree that Robin does not have to dumb down his brilliance for
anyone and I think that many of us feel the beauty of his words
sometimes.  I'm talking about the other times when one needs a
buzzsaw to cut through the jungle of words and phrases to get to the
conceptual oasis.  And don't even get me started on the Irony! 
For that one needs as reading assistant, the two headed Hydra, one head
parsing for the straight forward meaning and one for the Descartian
doubt technique meaning.Â




 
  From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S
VALENTINE



 Â
 OMG - hilarious stuff dear Share - what a clueless, dishonest person
you are. Judy has exposed your lies several times - yet you are
unwilling, unable to see it.

 No - Robin doesn't have to dumb down his brilliance for you, Barry, LG
and Steve, all you need is a dictionary, a heart to feel the beauty of
his words.

 I will get to your garbage when I have some time.


 On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:


 Â
 laughinggull I want to say that sometimes I find Robin's writing
simple and clear.  But very often I find it unclear and voluminous
which for me adds up to unreadable.  IMO Judy demonstrates a certain
kind of co dependent arrogance every time she berates people for not
getting off their butts, putting in the effort, etc. to understand
Robin's writing.  Other posters here manages many times to be both
clear AND profound.  Why can't Robin?  Ok, ok, people have a
right to have their unique voice.  And I actually enjoy all the
different writing styles.  But if a person wants to be understood,
wouldn't they make an attempt to write more clearly for their
audience?  Especially given that at other times they are able to do
so?   Â
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:25 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S
VALENTINE
 
 
 
 Â
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
  
   Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you
   *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog
   ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy
   archives that you *did* try, just as others here have
   asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you
   know who.
 
  Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators
  around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which
  they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an
  incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been
  involved, making it sound shifty.
 
 My purposeful removal of names, as in this case, was so as not to
bring more attention to those that probably crave it.
 
  We know who you know who is, of course. But others here
  refers to Xeno and those 'in the know' refers to me.
 
 Others here now includes Steve, and also includes me as I've asked
Robin on at least one occasion to explain in language that I can
understand without all the other stuff that merely confuses the point he
is making. In the  know now includes dumbass, and might also include
Ann, RD, and Emily who on several occasions have indicated that they
understand what he has written.
 
  Here's what really happened: Xeno demanded that I interpret
  some post of Robin's *in order to prove* that I understood
  him, and I refused to do any interpreting on that basis. I
  considered it insulting, given that I had already spent a
  huge amount of time explaining Robin to people (including
  Xeno) who couldn't take the time to read his posts, or at
  least to put any effort into absorbing what he had said.
 
   The evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody really
   knows what he's talking about.
 
  No, there's no such 

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:

 OMG - hilarious stuff dear Share - what a clueless, dishonest person
you are. Judy has exposed your lies several times - yet you are
unwilling, unable to see it.

 No - Robin doesn't have to dumb down his brilliance for you, Barry, LG
and Steve, all you need is a dictionary, a heart to feel the beauty of
his words.and about 2-3 hours per post, you mean, right?
Hey, but I'm glad you get enjoyment out of it.  And I'm glad you have
the time to devote to this as well.  Good on ya Rav.

 I will get to your garbage when I have some time.


 On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

  laughinggull I want to say that sometimes I find Robin's writing
simple and clear.  But very often I find it unclear and voluminous which
for me adds up to unreadable.  IMO Judy demonstrates a certain kind of
co dependent arrogance every time she berates people for not getting off
their butts, putting in the effort, etc. to understand Robin's writing. 
Other posters here manages many times to be both clear AND profound. 
Why can't Robin?  Ok, ok, people have a right to have their unique
voice.  And I actually enjoy all the different writing styles.  But if a
person wants to be understood, wouldn't they make an attempt to write
more clearly for their audience?  Especially given that at other times
they are able to do so?
 
 
  From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:25 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S
VALENTINE
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
   
Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you
*would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog
ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy
archives that you *did* try, just as others here have
asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you
know who.
  
   Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators
   around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which
   they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an
   incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been
   involved, making it sound shifty.
 
  My purposeful removal of names, as in this case, was so as not to
bring more attention to those that probably crave it.
 
   We know who you know who is, of course. But others here
   refers to Xeno and those 'in the know' refers to me.
 
  Others here now includes Steve, and also includes me as I've asked
Robin on at least one occasion to explain in language that I can
understand without all the other stuff that merely confuses the point he
is making. In the know now includes dumbass, and might also include
Ann, RD, and Emily who on several occasions have indicated that they
understand what he has written.
 
   Here's what really happened: Xeno demanded that I interpret
   some post of Robin's *in order to prove* that I understood
   him, and I refused to do any interpreting on that basis. I
   considered it insulting, given that I had already spent a
   huge amount of time explaining Robin to people (including
   Xeno) who couldn't take the time to read his posts, or at
   least to put any effort into absorbing what he had said.
  
The evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody really
knows what he's talking about.
  
   No, there's no such evidence. I think what you mean is
   that *you* have trouble understanding him. We know he
   confuses Steve and Xeno and Barry and Share as well, but
   the five of you aren't everybody.
 
  You are correct...I have great trouble understanding him.
 
   Too bad as I was really
hoping that we had a saint in our midst.
  
   Well, that was pretty silly, wasn't it? You know, since
   Robin himself would be the first person to discourage the
   notion. Nor did DrD suggest such a thing. Robin is
   REELY RELY smart, but he ain't no saint.
 
  That was the final snarky jab there. While maybe not a saint, I'm
always hoping I can learn something from everyone who comments here.
 
   Also, it appears neither you nor Steve read what DrD
   wrote with attention. He was suggesting that folks try
   validating his analysis of Robin's writing for themselves,
   not offering to do it for them.
  
   Hmm, now I'm beginning to see what's behind this. You and
   Steve don't want to risk the attempt, because if you tried
   and couldn't see what DrD describes, you'd be hesitant to
   report your failure lest it appear that it was due to your
   lack of comprehension, rather than DrD's analysis being
   faulty.
  
   So your cowardice in this regard leads you to imply that
   DrD and I have been posturing and that Robin has said
   nothing of any significance.
  
   I would expect that kind of craven maneuver from Steve.
   I'm surprised to 

[FairfieldLife] Re: psychological rape was parsing etc

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
anartaxius@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann  wrote:
 [Cartoon at
 http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/images/roz_chast_2.jp\
 g]
 
 As you made no comment, this seems ambiguous. Does this represent Share,
 or Judy, or Robin, or others of us?

Part of the beauty of perception is how it comes to all of us differently. Who 
do you think it represents? At the moment I posted it I felt it was a perfect 
statement for how I perceived Share after reading her post but I certainly 
could have used this post for all of us at one time or another, well, maybe not 
you Xeno because you are always so even and unruffled.
 
 It pretty much symbolises the Casteneda phrase that Barry posted
 earlier: '...feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellow
 men. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives
 offended by someone.' Or just offended by whatever is going on. I do
 know people that are continually offended by just whatever is happening
 in the world.

Yes, it does appear that many of us are the centers of our own Universes. 
Probably a good thing because we certainly aren't the center of anybody else's, 
except perhaps my dog's - she loves me- alot.

 It seemed more to me that that post of Share's was an
 analysis of Judy's behaviour rather than Share just being ticked off,
 and I did not myself feel she was offended (for only Share knows if she
 felt this). There is a difference in being annoyed and in being
 offended. Annoyance is irritation, like a fly landing on your nose. Ego
 is not necessarily involved. Offense is an annoyance that involves the
 ego, the false self, one's fictional sense of importance, that whatever
 is happening should not happen to 'me' because I am 'me', and the world
 should acknowledge the way I want the world to be.

Well, I posted the cartoon because it seemed to speak in a way that only a New 
Yorker cartoon can and I hesitate to start to analyze this, that was the point 
of posting a cartoon.

 And that reminds me, I totally forgot I was going to reply to another
 post of yours. But at the moment I have to deal with some frigging bank.
 Gosh, this should not be happening to me. The world is not doing what I
 want. This is a disaster of immense proportions.

Yes indeedy. Those banks, they are petty tyrants for sure. I wonder when  petty 
tyrants make the crossover to major tyrants? Are any of us major tyrants here? 
Of course, I am not sure you view anything as tyrannical and I am not sure I do 
either, not inherently.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Carlos Castaneda on self-importance and petty tyrants

[Richard J. Williams]

  ...I cannot imagine what value Barry sees in it.
 
Xenophaneros:
 It is not what other people say, but how you manage
 their effect on you that makes them valuable...

For Carlos and don Juan, it's all about the substances
they partake. The idea in shamanism is to get high, to
fly up in an altered state, into a separate reality,
and learn to communicate with the spirits; to journey
with them and learn from them and to master them.

And why?

To get POWER.

Only known photo of don Juan Matus

According to Campbell, ...the supreme goal of the shaman
is to abandon his body and rise to heaven or descend into
hell, not to let himself be 'possessed' by his assisting
spirits, by demons or the souls of the dead; the shaman's
ideal is to master these spirits, not to let himself be
'occupied' by them.

[FairfieldLife] Presentations of the new global branding and website for Transcendental Meditation

[Dick Mays]

From: Maharishi's Global Family Chat m...@maharishi.net

 

Maharishi’s Global Family Chat
April 1 and 6, 2013
Video archives |Summary online

First presentation of the new global website design and logo 
for Transcendental Meditation

After two years of intense work and international consultation the Global 
Marketing Group presented the beautiful and highly functional new website for 
Transcendental Meditation and the new logo and branding, which will now be used 
worldwide.

Both on the national level and the local Centre level, the Transcendental 
Meditation organisation in every country can easily and quickly take advantage 
of this new development.

Everyone will gain the benefit of the research and expertise that have gone 
into the development of this new global platform, which immediately places 
Transcendental Meditation on the level of a prominent global brand.

Prototype sites are already operational for the UK and Netherlands: 
www.tm.org/uk andwww.tm.org/nl.



The presentation extended over two Maharishi’s Global Family Chats, on 1 and 6 
April.

In the first of the broadcasts Raja Peter and Richard Hobbs gave the background 
to this historic development and presented the new global website and logo, on 
behalf of all members of the group, including Raja Hagelin, Paul Gelderloos, 
Andrew Wilmot, and Michael Sullivan.

In the second broadcast on 6th, Paul Gelderloos presented the success of the 
Dutch version of the site in just its first few weeks of operation, and Raja 
Peter presented the brilliantly simple and comprehensive functionality of the 
site, particularly with reference to its local applications.

These are presentations that every Governor should give priority to viewing. 
They are available at Maharishi Channel’s Archives web site.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[Ravi Chivukula]

Dear Share,

You are titillated by Guru Xeno's platitude pukes, you are soothed by the 
idiotic slanderer Steve, you are delighted by Barry's filth and you submit to 
the authority of His Holiness Curtis - the master of 7 layered deception 
progressively cruder, baser, grosser.

Oh yeah this is making me miserable and causing me to lose my sense of humor - 
how fucking hilarious LOL. I need to go home where? My home's where I am - 
anyway I love it when I'm in California, can't see living elsewhere, the cool, 
dry weather, the blue skies, the rolling hills, the cliffs along the beautiful 
beaches of the Pacific Ocean.

No -this is Ravi's arrogance, contempt and disgust of all things idiotic, vile, 
vindictive, dishonest.



On Apr 17, 2013, at 12:03 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com wrote:

 No it's not being miserable dear Share - it's disgust, pure contempt for 
 vile, vindictive liars and your partner in crime 7R27 - a man who can't 
 answer simple questions of mine and rather resorts to slander - totally 
 devoid of any integrity, intelligence.
 
 Robin has explained irony in detail - you are too corrupted, muddled by your 
 sentimentality to understand it. The basic concept is this - you approach 
 someone with sincerity and when you realize the person doesn't get it - for 
 example a sick, corrupted person like you or that slandering retarded friend 
 of yours you are then forced to switch to irony.
 
 It's beautiful - I love Robin when he does that. The beauty of his irony, you 
 will never get it but that won't stop you from lying, twisting and 
 manipulating - would it dear Share?
 
 
 On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:52 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Ravi, the first week you were in San Diego, you sounded happy.  But the 
 longer you stay there, the more miserable you sound.  And sadly you've just 
 about totally lost your sense of humor.  I hope your project there ends soon 
 and you can return home and be happy again.  
 
 BTW I agree that Robin does not have to dumb down his brilliance for anyone 
 and I think that many of us feel the beauty of his words sometimes.  I'm 
 talking about the other times when one needs a buzzsaw to cut through the 
 jungle of words and phrases to get to the conceptual oasis.  And don't even 
 get me started on the Irony!  For that one needs as reading assistant, the 
 two headed Hydra, one head parsing for the straight forward meaning and one 
 for the Descartian doubt technique meaning.  
 
 
 From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S 
 VALENTINE
 
  
 OMG - hilarious stuff dear Share - what a clueless, dishonest person you 
 are. Judy has exposed your lies several times - yet you are unwilling, 
 unable to see it.
 
 No - Robin doesn't have to dumb down his brilliance for you, Barry, LG and 
 Steve, all you need is a dictionary, a heart to feel the beauty of his words.
 
 I will get to your garbage when I have some time.
 
 
 On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
 laughinggull I want to say that sometimes I find Robin's writing simple and 
 clear.  But very often I find it unclear and voluminous which for me adds 
 up to unreadable.  IMO Judy demonstrates a certain kind of co dependent 
 arrogance every time she berates people for not getting off their butts, 
 putting in the effort, etc. to understand Robin's writing.  Other posters 
 here manages many times to be both clear AND profound.  Why can't Robin?  
 Ok, ok, people have a right to have their unique voice.  And I actually 
 enjoy all the different writing styles.  But if a person wants to be 
 understood, wouldn't they make an attempt to write more clearly for their 
 audience?  Especially given that at other times they are able to do so? 
 
 
 From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:25 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
 
  
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you
   *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog
   ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy
   archives that you *did* try, just as others here have
   asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you
   know who.
  
  Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators
  around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which
  they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an
  incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been
  involved, making it sound shifty.
 
 My purposeful removal of names, as in this case, was so as not to bring 
 more attention 

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:

 No it's not being miserable dear Share - it's disgust, pure contempt
for vile, vindictive liars and your partner in crime 7R27 - a man who
can't answer simple questions of mine and rather resorts to slander -
totally devoid of any integrity, intelligence.
Ravi, Ravi, Ravi.  God love ya Ravi.  Should I,  as an act of mercy
respond to this silly demand of yours.  Between you and Robin, sheeesh,
a guy can't have a moment of peace around here.
Ravi, this emulating Robin, in this regard at least, is just not going
to work.  Just chill out a bit.  Relax.  Go to a club.  Do some
shopping.  Smell the sandalwood.  I don't know, do something.  But
please give me a pass on the QA.  I just can't bring myself to start
taking tests again.

 Robin has explained irony in detail - you are too corrupted, muddled
by your sentimentality to understand it. The basic concept is this - you
approach someone with sincerity and when you realize the person doesn't
get it - for example a sick, corrupted person like you or that
slandering retarded friend of yours you are then forced to switch to
irony.
Well, it's an exclusive club you belong to, Ravi.  The RWC Mutual
Admiration Society.  I suppose Judy is the President, and you are the
Secretary.  Not sure who the treasurer would be.

 It's beautiful - I love Robin when he does that. The beauty of his
irony, you will never get it but that won't stop you from lying,
twisting and manipulating - would it dear Share?
Maybe it's time to come up with a RWC Concordance.


 On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:52 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

  Ravi, the first week you were in San Diego, you sounded happy.  But
the longer you stay there, the more miserable you sound.  And sadly
you've just about totally lost your sense of humor.  I hope your project
there ends soon and you can return home and be happy again.
 
  BTW I agree that Robin does not have to dumb down his brilliance for
anyone and I think that many of us feel the beauty of his words
sometimes.  I'm talking about the other times when one needs a buzzsaw
to cut through the jungle of words and phrases to get to the conceptual
oasis.  And don't even get me started on the Irony!  For that one needs
as reading assistant, the two headed Hydra, one head parsing for the
straight forward meaning and one for the Descartian doubt technique
meaning.
 
 
  From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@...
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S
VALENTINE
 
 
  OMG - hilarious stuff dear Share - what a clueless, dishonest person
you are. Judy has exposed your lies several times - yet you are
unwilling, unable to see it.
 
  No - Robin doesn't have to dumb down his brilliance for you, Barry,
LG and Steve, all you need is a dictionary, a heart to feel the beauty
of his words.
 
  I will get to your garbage when I have some time.
 
 
  On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:
 
 
  laughinggull I want to say that sometimes I find Robin's writing
simple and clear.  But very often I find it unclear and voluminous which
for me adds up to unreadable.  IMO Judy demonstrates a certain kind of
co dependent arrogance every time she berates people for not getting off
their butts, putting in the effort, etc. to understand Robin's writing. 
Other posters here manages many times to be both clear AND profound. 
Why can't Robin?  Ok, ok, people have a right to have their unique
voice.  And I actually enjoy all the different writing styles.  But if a
person wants to be understood, wouldn't they make an attempt to write
more clearly for their audience?  Especially given that at other times
they are able to do so?
 
 
  From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:25 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S
VALENTINE
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
   
Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you
*would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog
ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy
archives that you *did* try, just as others here have
asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you
know who.
  
   Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators
   around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which
   they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an
   incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been
   involved, making it sound shifty.
 
  My purposeful removal of names, as in this case, was so as not to
bring more attention to those that probably crave it.
 
   We know who you know who is, of course. But others here
   refers to Xeno and 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Carlos Castaneda on self-importance and petty tyrants

[Richard J. Williams]

  His books always had a deep influence on me, 
  and this is one of the reasons why. The 
  subsequent revelations about who he was etc., 
  really didn't diminish that effect.
 
turquoise: 
 Me, too. As I say often about Rama, the fact that Carlos
 was a charlatan does NOT negate the value of some of the
 things he taught. :-)
 
Every living being is psychicDid you know that the vast 
majority of thoughts you think and emotions you feel aren't 
even your own? Master Fwap asked with a wry smile on his 
face.

'Surfing the Himalayas'
Conversations and Travels with Master Fwap
By Frederick Lenz
St. Martin's Griffin (December 15, 1994 
p. 55.

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
snip
  My home's where I am - anyway I love it when I'm in California, can't
see living elsewhere, the cool, dry weather, the blue skies, the rolling
hills, the cliffs along the beautiful beaches of the Pacific Ocean.
Focus on this Ravi. Let it grow in your life.  You'll thank me, you'll
bless me.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum and classical?

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
anartaxius@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  What would you say the demands of the Unified Field are?
  
  
 Sorry to butt into this conversation, but according to an e-mail the unified 
 field sent me, it is requiring that I deposit a certain specified sum of 
 money in a particular bank account or it will fine me US$39.
 
 That means I have to stop posting and get off my butt, and work out a way to 
 adjust this particular aspect of absolute being, or I can still just sit on 
 my butt, and probably there will be more messages with more demands. I have a 
 memory that this is a possible alternative.
 
 What should I do? Should I consult the Oracle at Delphi, which unfortunately 
 is some 7,700km away from where I live now, or should a consult a financial 
 expert at great cost ('I think perhaps you should put some money in that 
 account')? Or maybe I should consult a saint and get their blessing 
 ('meditate on the Divine Mother, and all will be well')? Should I sit and 
 meditate, in the hope that all the laws of nature will support?
 
 Life is just so perplexing. One just does not know where to turn to get 
 someone to do something for you for free.

Are you KIDDING? You can always get someone at FFL to get mad at you for free. 
Works every time.
 
  
  
   From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:20 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum and classical?
   
  
  
    
  Yeah, true, the unified field goes about stuff in exactly one way, and if 
  we decide to do things another way, we get hurt. Automatically. For 
  example, every time I jump up, and move my body into a horizontal position, 
  and then fall onto a hard surface, it hurts like hell. So who's fault is 
  that?
  
  To say dismissively that the unified field doesn't give a crap about us, 
  is only half right. When we discover what the unified field wants, simply 
  by conforming to its demands, in subtler and subtler ways, we eventually 
  learn that there is a method to the madness, which incorporates madness 
  itself. 
  
  It seems illogical, in opposition to all of me. And it is. The unified 
  field definitely calls the shots, and it always wins. However, in full 
  submission to it, is found peace, the living transcendent, ourselves. A 
  perfect paradox, submission and freedom.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
  
   Not according to the Yoga Vasistha and other vedic writings - Divine 
   Mother, Divine Father and ANY AND ALL aspects of creation are expressions 
   of the Unified Field as are any and all qualities we might emotionally 
   ascribe to such deities, therefore my original statement stands - the 
   Unified Field doesn't give a crap about us in our lives and activities 
   the way we like to fantasize that it does.
   
   On a completely different note, but not too dissimilar I see no evidence 
   that there are any Ascended Masters who have this big Divine Plan to make 
   the world into a better place for humanity's benefit - if they do, they 
   have a funny way of showing it.
   
   
   
   
   
From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:14 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum and classical?
   
   
   
     
   The impulses and love of the Divine Mother are what flows through the 
   nascent Unbounded. Unseen, and endlessly moving towards creation, endless 
   birth and rebirth, from the virtually endless body of the Divine Mother. 
   Too infinite to influence, yet personal enough to form a bond for life 
   with. 
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
   
Oh my oh my oh my - I think the Vedic rishis would emphatically 
disagree with you - God comes FROM the Unbounded. - Oh what I fine 
topic of discussion for FFL.





 From: feste37 feste37@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:40 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum and classical?



  
The unified field may not, Michael, but God does -- and God is in 
charge of the unified field. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ 
wrote:

 I've got news for you - the Unified Field doesn't give a crap about 
 any of us or what we do - it is beyond all such considerations - 
 ascribing emotional qualities such as grace and forgiveness is 
 pasting our desire for such things onto the object (or in this case 
 practice) we pin our hopes on to give us the grace and forgiveness we 
 seek.
 
 If you don't believe me, and need Vedic confirmation, 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[Ravi Chivukula]

Steve - I was expecting you wouldn't answer, I'm glad you didn't answer because 
you could have totally been dishonest like Curtis and Share but you didn't and 
I don't think you are dishonest like them - so that's good - it hasn't 
surprised me but I will continue to use it in my arguments :-)


On Apr 17, 2013, at 12:36 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
 
  No it's not being miserable dear Share - it's disgust, pure contempt for 
  vile, vindictive liars and your partner in crime 7R27 - a man who can't 
  answer simple questions of mine and rather resorts to slander - totally 
  devoid of any integrity, intelligence.
 
 
 Ravi, Ravi, Ravi.  God love ya Ravi.  Should I,  as an act of mercy respond 
 to this silly demand of yours.  Between you and Robin, sheeesh, a guy can't 
 have a moment of peace around here.  
 
 Ravi, this emulating Robin, in this regard at least, is just not going to 
 work.  Just chill out a bit.  Relax.  Go to a club.  Do some shopping.  Smell 
 the sandalwood.  I don't know, do something.  But please give me a pass on 
 the QA.  I just can't bring myself to start taking tests again.  
 
  Robin has explained irony in detail - you are too corrupted, muddled by 
  your sentimentality to understand it. The basic concept is this - you 
  approach someone with sincerity and when you realize the person doesn't get 
  it - for example a sick, corrupted person like you or that slandering 
  retarded friend of yours you are then forced to switch to irony.
 
 Well, it's an exclusive club you belong to, Ravi.  The RWC Mutual Admiration 
 Society.  I suppose Judy is the President, and you are the Secretary.  Not 
 sure who the treasurer would be.  
  
  It's beautiful - I love Robin when he does that. The beauty of his irony, 
  you will never get it but that won't stop you from lying, twisting and 
  manipulating - would it dear Share?
 
 Maybe it's time to come up with a RWC Concordance.
  
  
  On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:52 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:
  
   Ravi, the first week you were in San Diego, you sounded happy. But the 
   longer you stay there, the more miserable you sound. And sadly you've 
   just about totally lost your sense of humor. I hope your project there 
   ends soon and you can return home and be happy again. 
   
   BTW I agree that Robin does not have to dumb down his brilliance for 
   anyone and I think that many of us feel the beauty of his words 
   sometimes. I'm talking about the other times when one needs a buzzsaw to 
   cut through the jungle of words and phrases to get to the conceptual 
   oasis. And don't even get me started on the Irony! For that one needs as 
   reading assistant, the two headed Hydra, one head parsing for the 
   straight forward meaning and one for the Descartian doubt technique 
   meaning. 
   
   
   From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@...
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:28 PM
   Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S 
   VALENTINE
   
   
   OMG - hilarious stuff dear Share - what a clueless, dishonest person you 
   are. Judy has exposed your lies several times - yet you are unwilling, 
   unable to see it.
   
   No - Robin doesn't have to dumb down his brilliance for you, Barry, LG 
   and Steve, all you need is a dictionary, a heart to feel the beauty of 
   his words.
   
   I will get to your garbage when I have some time.
   
   
   On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:
   
   
   laughinggull I want to say that sometimes I find Robin's writing simple 
   and clear. But very often I find it unclear and voluminous which for me 
   adds up to unreadable. IMO Judy demonstrates a certain kind of co 
   dependent arrogance every time she berates people for not getting off 
   their butts, putting in the effort, etc. to understand Robin's writing. 
   Other posters here manages many times to be both clear AND profound. Why 
   can't Robin? Ok, ok, people have a right to have their unique voice. And 
   I actually enjoy all the different writing styles. But if a person wants 
   to be understood, wouldn't they make an attempt to write more clearly 
   for their audience? Especially given that at other times they are able 
   to do so? 
   
   
   From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:25 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S 
   VALENTINE
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 wrote:

 Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you
 *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog
 ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy
 archives that you *did* try, 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[Ravi Chivukula]

Ha - you don't see any difference in Share's post and some curious questions by 
MJ?

Anyway love to hear on what you think Kali is :-).

I know you are not the smartest so here's a clue to help you - Kali's not a 
vile, vindictive bitch.

On Apr 17, 2013, at 12:20 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Share, you got your Kali out, and I like it immensely.  But even your Kali is 
 always tempered with a big dose of realism and compassion. 
 
 
 Did you notice the other day when Ravi was conversing with Michael and (to a 
 lesser extent), me in a, what you might call, normal fashion.  Just some 
 back and forth.  No lording over, no I AM THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER, thing 
 going on.   I thought it was pretty cool.  But I figured it wouldn't last 
 long, and sure enough, it didn't.
 
 I'm gonna go back and read his comment that elicited this response on your 
 part.
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
 
  Ravi, the first week you were in San Diego, you sounded happy.  But the 
  longer you stay there, the more miserable you sound.  And sadly you've 
  just about totally lost your sense of humor.  I hope your project there 
  ends soon and you can return home and be happy again.  
  
  BTW I agree that Robin does not have to dumb down his brilliance for anyone 
  and I think that many of us feel the beauty of his words sometimes.  I'm 
  talking about the other times when one needs a buzzsaw to cut through the 
  jungle of words and phrases to get to the conceptual oasis.  And don't 
  even get me started on the Irony!  For that one needs as reading 
  assistant, the two headed Hydra, one head parsing for the straight forward 
  meaning and one for the Descartian doubt technique meaning.  
  
  
  
  
  
  From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@...
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S 
  VALENTINE
  
  
  
  Â  
  OMG - hilarious stuff dear Share - what a clueless, dishonest person you 
  are. Judy has exposed your lies several times - yet you are unwilling, 
  unable to see it.
  
  No - Robin doesn't have to dumb down his brilliance for you, Barry, LG and 
  Steve, all you need is a dictionary, a heart to feel the beauty of his 
  words.
  
  I will get to your garbage when I have some time.
  
  
  On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:
  
  
  Â  
  laughinggull I want to say that sometimes I find Robin's writing simple 
  and clear.  But very often I find it unclear and voluminous which for me 
  adds up to unreadable.  IMO Judy demonstrates a certain kind of co 
  dependent arrogance every time she berates people for not getting off 
  their butts, putting in the effort, etc. to understand Robin's writing.  
  Other posters here manages many times to be both clear AND profound.  Why 
  can't Robin?  Ok, ok, people have a right to have their unique voice.  
  And I actually enjoy all the different writing styles.  But if a person 
  wants to be understood, wouldn't they make an attempt to write more 
  clearly for their audience?  Especially given that at other times they 
  are able to do so?     
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:25 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE
   
  
  
  Â  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 wrote:
   
Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you
*would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog
ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy
archives that you *did* try, just as others here have
asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you
know who.
   
   Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators
   around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which
   they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an
   incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been
   involved, making it sound shifty.
  
  My purposeful removal of names, as in this case, was so as not to bring 
  more attention to those that probably crave it.
  
   We know who you know who is, of course. But others here
   refers to Xeno and those 'in the know' refers to me.
  
  Others here now includes Steve, and also includes me as I've asked Robin 
  on at least one occasion to explain in language that I can understand 
  without all the other stuff that merely confuses the point he is making. 
  In the know now includes dumbass, and might also include Ann, RD, and 
  Emily who on several occasions have indicated that they understand what he 
  has written.
  
   Here's what really 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[Ravi Chivukula]

On Apr 17, 2013, at 12:39 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
 snip
  My home's where I am - anyway I love it when I'm in California, can't see 
 living elsewhere, the cool, dry weather, the blue skies, the rolling hills, 
 the cliffs along the beautiful beaches of the Pacific Ocean.
 
 
 Focus on this Ravi. Let it grow in your life.  You'll thank me, you'll bless 
 me.
 

LOL - no need to grow, all that natural beauty seems to extend and mirror my 
inner silence and beauty. And I'm too attached to California's beauty because 
this is what I focussed on while mystically, manically intoxicated. Just as 
Ramana was with that mountain Arunachala - but ultimately it's just a mountain.


 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:

 Steve - I was expecting you wouldn't answer, I'm glad you didn't
answer because you could have totally been dishonest like Curtis and
Share but you didn't and I don't think you are dishonest like them - so
that's good - it hasn't surprised me but I will continue to use it in my
arguments :-)

No! No!.  Tell me you're kidding! You can't mean this.  You mean I'm
going to have to live with this albatross around my neck.  A scarlet
letter of sorts!  You're cruel Ravi.  Cruel, Cruel Cruel!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcdQk7JBPzQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcdQk7JBPzQ

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:

 Ha - you don't see any difference in Share's post and some curious
questions by MJ?

 Anyway love to hear on what you think Kali is :-).

 I know you are not the smartest so here's a clue to help you - Kali's
not a vile, vindictive bitch.
Excellent Ravi.  Excellent.  See, you're not as dimwitted as some people
make you out to be.  And I'm going to point this out when people accuse
you so.  Yes I am.

 On Apr 17, 2013, at 12:20 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote:

  Share, you got your Kali out, and I like it immensely.  But even
your Kali is always tempered with a big dose of realism and compassion.
 
 
  Did you notice the other day when Ravi was conversing with Michael
and (to a lesser extent), me in a, what you might call, normal
fashion.  Just some back and forth.  No lording over, no I AM THIS,
THAT, AND THE OTHER, thing going on.   I thought it was pretty cool. 
But I figured it wouldn't last long, and sure enough, it didn't.
 
  I'm gonna go back and read his comment that elicited this response
on your part.
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
  
   Ravi, the first week you were in San Diego, you sounded
happy.  But the longer you stay there, the more miserable you
sound.  And sadly you've just about totally lost your sense of
humor.  I hope your project there ends soon and you can return
home and be happy again.Â
  
   BTW I agree that Robin does not have to dumb down his brilliance
for anyone and I think that many of us feel the beauty of his words
sometimes.  I'm talking about the other times when one needs a
buzzsaw to cut through the jungle of words and phrases to get to the
conceptual oasis.  And don't even get me started on the
Irony!  For that one needs as reading assistant, the two headed
Hydra, one head parsing for the straight forward meaning and one for the
Descartian doubt technique meaning.Â
  
  
  
  
   
   From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:28 PM
   Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was
HITLER'S VALENTINE
  
  
  
   Â
   OMG - hilarious stuff dear Share - what a clueless, dishonest
person you are. Judy has exposed your lies several times - yet you are
unwilling, unable to see it.
  
   No - Robin doesn't have to dumb down his brilliance for you,
Barry, LG and Steve, all you need is a dictionary, a heart to feel the
beauty of his words.
  
   I will get to your garbage when I have some time.
  
  
   On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
  
   Â
   laughinggull I want to say that sometimes I find Robin's writing
simple and clear.  But very often I find it unclear and voluminous
which for me adds up to unreadable.  IMO Judy demonstrates a
certain kind of co dependent arrogance every time she berates people for
not getting off their butts, putting in the effort, etc. to understand
Robin's writing.  Other posters here manages many times to be both
clear AND profound.  Why can't Robin?  Ok, ok, people have a
right to have their unique voice.  And I actually enjoy all the
different writing styles.  But if a person wants to be understood,
wouldn't they make an attempt to write more clearly for their
audience?  Especially given that at other times they are able to
do so?   Â
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:25 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S
VALENTINE
   
   
   
   Â
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@
wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 wrote:

 Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you
 *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog
 ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy
 archives that you *did* try, just as others here have
 asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you
 know who.
   
Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators
around here. One of their tricks is not to use names, which
they think makes it safe for them to seriously distort an
incident in which these pseudo-anonymous folks have been
involved, making it sound shifty.
   
   My purposeful removal of names, as in this case, was so as not to
bring more attention to those that probably crave it.
   
We know who you know who is, of course. But others here
refers to Xeno and those 'in the know' refers to me.
   
   Others here now includes Steve, and also includes me as I've
asked Robin on at least one occasion to explain in language that I can
understand without all the other stuff that merely confuses the point he
is making. In the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:

 On Apr 17, 2013, at 12:39 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote:

 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
  snip
   My home's where I am - anyway I love it when I'm in California,
can't see living elsewhere, the cool, dry weather, the blue skies, the
rolling hills, the cliffs along the beautiful beaches of the Pacific
Ocean.
 
 
  Focus on this Ravi. Let it grow in your life.  You'll thank me,
you'll bless me.
 

 LOL - no need to grow, all that natural beauty seems to extend and
mirror my inner silence and beauty. And I'm too attached to California's
beauty because this is what I focussed on while mystically, manically
intoxicated. Just as Ramana was with that mountain Arunachala - but
ultimately it's just a mountain.
An apt comparison.  Ravi and Ramana?
does this deserve a  guffaw,  or an  pppsie, or maybe a
reallly, reaaly, something
What was it Lloyd Bentsen said, Senator, you're no John Kennedy
(look it up Rav)
P.S. Love ya like a brother!

[FairfieldLife] Re: For those of us who love words...

[card]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 ...in any language, this is sad news. Your regional 
 language is on the endangered list:
 
 http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/04/15/dying_languages_scientists_fret_as_one_disappears_every_14_days.html


FWIW, how much do you guys understand of this English?

Þa wæs Hroðgareheresped gyfen, 
wiges weorðmynd,þæt him his winemagas  65 
georne hyrdon,oðð þæt seo geogod geweox, 
magodriht micel.Him on mod be-arn, 
þæt healrecedhatan wolde, 
medoærn micelmen gewyrcean 
þonne yldo bearnæfre gefrunon,  70 
ond þær on innaneall gedælan 
geongum ond ealdum,swylc him God sealde 
buton folcscareond feorum gumena. 
Da ic wide gefrægnweorc gebannan 
manigre mægþegeond þisne middangeard,  75 
folcstede frætwan.Him on fyrste gelomp, 
ædre mid yldum, þæt hit wearð ealgearo, 
healærna mæst;scop him Heort naman 
se þe his wordes gewealdwide hæfde. 
He beot ne aleh,beagas dælde,   80 
sinc æt symle.Sele hlifade 
heah ond horngeap;heaðowylma bad, 
laðan liges;ne wæs hit lenge þa gen, 
þæt se ecgheteaþumsweoran 
æfter wælniðewæcnan scolde.   85

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[doctordumbass]

Hey Steve, actually I didn't shift context at all. You asked me to do something 
for you, and I declined, preferring that you do it yourself. Where's the 
context shift? A context shift would be if you had asked me, and all of a 
sudden I was up in your grill about something, which is not the case. Jeez.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote:

 Jim, is this akin to shifting the context.
 
 You made a declaration.  Someone, (me in this case), asked to provide some 
 evidence for it, and you declined.  And now, LG is one having to explain 
 himself?  Jeez.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I taught difficult technical material to adults for twenty years, by 
  learning it on my own, first. Time for you to get off your ass and do it 
  yourself...I am amazed at your snarkiness, given that you were supposedly a 
  professor of something, once.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you *would* do it 
   but *could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my homework. Well, 
   Steve, it'll remain in the holy archives that you *did* try, just as 
   others here have asked those in the know to interpret the writings of 
   you know who. The evidence seems to be leaning towards nobody really 
   knows what he's talking about. Too bad as I was really hoping that we had 
   a saint in our midst.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
   
Sorry Steve, too much trouble. That's why I am retired - don't have to 
do the heavy lifting anymore.:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ 
wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@
 wrote:
 
  Last week, I somehow found myself reading about fossils and the best
 places to find them. Sedimentary rock, that which is formed by
 compression is the only place they are found, vs. in igneous and
 metamorphic rocks.
 
  Robin has the writing ability to work methodically down through the
 fossil record, to the bedrock, when approaching someone's 
 consciousness.
 For those who doubt this, diagram out any of his writing, and you will
 see clear first, second, and third set assumptions, each supported by
 the previous. Very clean and perfectly constructed.
 
 Jim, I find this interesting.  I realize it might entail some work on
 your part, but could you give an example of this.
 
 
 
  This approach of Robin's, then, can be substantiated as being in the
 very least, logical. Through the reactions of his targets, including
 himself, he also (inadvertently?) reveals something about how we see
 ourselves, often as a shifting mass of emotionally tinged reactions,
 jellied memories. Not through this verifiable, logical deduction.
 
  Verifiable, logical deduction works well for external stuff, like
 determining where to find the fossil record. But most people do not 
 like
 such dispassionate rigor, applied to their own self-examination.
 
  So Judy can argue for the validity of Robin's writing, and Steve can
 argue for its discomfort, and both are correct.
 
  Which then begs the question, if FFL is all about a search for 
  meaning
 and personal truth, what are those people doing on here, who 
 continually
 avoid personal truth, by shifting context? What is the implicit
 agreement we have all made, to validate the dialogue here, seek 
 personal
 truth, or be comfortable with each other? Or both?
 

   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: New York Times op-ed. Read it.

[doctordumbass]

So...you didn't see the show? Cosmic forces aside, it was just a sad story.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote:

 Maybe not so bad. Probably a bunch of punks who were kept out of real trouble 
 by being incarrcerated. In Texas if you're found innocent after doing time, 
 you get 80 thousand for every year you did. They would have been given a lump 
 sum, they would probably never have been able to match, the rest of their 
 lives. But then again, I bet they'd blow it on drugs and partying within a 
 year. Karma can be a bitch.
 
  
 
 
  From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:50 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New York Times op-ed. Read it.
   
  
  
    
  
 Another awful injustice: 
 
 I saw an excellent special on PBS last night, produced by Ken Burns, about 
 The Central Park Five. There was a horrific rape and beating of a jogger in 
 the late 80's in New York City's Central Park. Police rounded up five kids, 
 14-16, convicted them all, and sent them away for seven to eleven years - no 
 DNA evidence, all based on coerced confessions. Then the real criminal 
 stepped forward, confessed, and matched the DNA evidence, and the two still 
 in prison were let go. All  five were exonerated, but basically live ruined 
 lives now. 
 
 --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ 
 wrote:
 
  I think it was the 11 years that got to me.  Well that and the 
  descriptions of the various forms of forced feeding.  I agree, either try 
  them or let them go home and yes it is a disgrace to our country, huge 
  disgrace and this alone will make me rethink how I vote next time.  This 
  may sound stupid but after I read it last night I was praying to God to 
  tell me what more I can do to help.
  
  
  
  
  
   From: feste37 feste37@
  To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:59 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New York Times op-ed. Read it.
  
  
  
    
  This man should be allowed to go home. Prisoners in Guantanamo should be 
  either tried or released, and the prison closed. Everyone knows this is the 
  right thing to do, and Obama promised to close it within a year of taking 
  office in 2009. It's a disgrace that this is being done in our name. 
  
  --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ 
  wrote:
  
   feste I wish I hadn't read this.ย  And I'm so glad I did.ย  Thank 
   you so much for sending.ย  I've forwarded it to a friend who has a 
   huge email list.ย  Also I'm keeping it in my inbox so I won't 
   forget.ย  Will see what more I can do.ย  
   
   
   
   
   
From: feste37 feste37@
   To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:14 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] New York Times op-ed. Read it.
   
   
   
   ย  
   Gitmo Is Killing Me
   By SAMIR NAJI al HASAN MOQBEL
   
   GUANTร�NAMO BAY, Cuba
   
   ONE man here weighs just 77 pounds. Another, 98. Last thing I knew, I 
   weighed 132, but that was a month ago.
   
   I've been on a hunger strike since Feb. 10 and have lost well over 30 
   pounds. I will not eat until they restore my dignity.
   
   I've been detained at Guantรกnamo for 11 years and three months. I 
   have never been charged with any crime. I have never received a trial.
   
   I could have been home years ago โ€ no one seriously thinks I am a 
   threat โ€ but still I am here. Years ago the military said I was a 
   guard for Osama bin Laden, but this was nonsense, like something out of 
   the American movies I used to watch. They don't even seem to believe it 
   anymore. But they don't seem to care how long I sit here, either. 
   
   More:
   
   http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/15/opinion/hunger-striking-at-guantanamo-bay.html
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ding dong, the witch is almost posted out...

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 Doncha just love Wednesday through Friday (or earlier)
 recently? The most obsessive poster has nearly posted
 out, and her minions are such toadying pussies that they
 are either afraid to get really nasty without her present
 to support or stroke them, or they can't think of anything
 to say without her here to prompt them.

 It leaves the rest of us free to talk about whatever
 the fuck we want, in relative peace, and with very
 few engineered arguments. Such a deal.

 Belatedly, all praise in this regard should go to Rick,
 who SO wisely implemented the posting limit some time
 back. Without it, some would still be flooding this
 forum with hundreds of vomit-posts a week.

Barry and the rest of us:

[FairfieldLife] Levon Helm

[Michael Jackson]

Looking forward to seeing this

http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/aintinitformyhealthafilmaboutlevonhelm/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[Ravi Chivukula]

On Apr 17, 2013, at 2:06 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
 
  Ha - you don't see any difference in Share's post and some curious 
  questions by MJ?
  
  Anyway love to hear on what you think Kali is :-).
  
  I know you are not the smartest so here's a clue to help you - Kali's not a 
  vile, vindictive bitch.
 
 
 Excellent Ravi.  Excellent.  See, you're not as dimwitted as some people make 
 you out to be.  And I'm going to point this out when people accuse you so.  
 Yes I am.

You are cracking me up Steve - I have never met people like that, not even 
remotely, regardless of whether they love or hate me. But of course some idiots 
like you may want to really convince themselves, I say all power to you - 
whatever helps you cope :-)

You never answer my question - so again - oh Steve baby enlighten us on Kali - 
clue, she's not a vile, vindictive bitch.



  
  On Apr 17, 2013, at 12:20 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote:
  
   Share, you got your Kali out, and I like it immensely. But even your Kali 
   is always tempered with a big dose of realism and compassion. 
   
   
   Did you notice the other day when Ravi was conversing with Michael and 
   (to a lesser extent), me in a, what you might call, normal fashion. 
   Just some back and forth. No lording over, no I AM THIS, THAT, AND THE 
   OTHER, thing going on. I thought it was pretty cool. But I figured it 
   wouldn't last long, and sure enough, it didn't.
   
   I'm gonna go back and read his comment that elicited this response on 
   your part.
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
   
Ravi, the first week you were in San Diego, you sounded happy. But the 
longer you stay there, the more miserable you sound. And sadly you've 
just about totally lost your sense of humor. I hope your project there 
ends soon and you can return home and be happy again. 

BTW I agree that Robin does not have to dumb down his brilliance for 
anyone and I think that many of us feel the beauty of his words 
sometimes. I'm talking about the other times when one needs a buzzsaw 
to cut through the jungle of words and phrases to get to the conceptual 
oasis. And don't even get me started on the Irony! For that one needs 
as reading assistant, the two headed Hydra, one head parsing for the 
straight forward meaning and one for the Descartian doubt technique 
meaning. 





From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S 
VALENTINE



 
OMG - hilarious stuff dear Share - what a clueless, dishonest person 
you are. Judy has exposed your lies several times - yet you are 
unwilling, unable to see it.

No - Robin doesn't have to dumb down his brilliance for you, Barry, LG 
and Steve, all you need is a dictionary, a heart to feel the beauty of 
his words.

I will get to your garbage when I have some time.


On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:


 
laughinggull I want to say that sometimes I find Robin's writing 
simple and clear. But very often I find it unclear and voluminous 
which for me adds up to unreadable. IMO Judy demonstrates a certain 
kind of co dependent arrogance every time she berates people for not 
getting off their butts, putting in the effort, etc. to understand 
Robin's writing. Other posters here manages many times to be both 
clear AND profound. Why can't Robin? Ok, ok, people have a right to 
have their unique voice. And I actually enjoy all the different 
writing styles. But if a person wants to be understood, wouldn't they 
make an attempt to write more clearly for their audience? Especially 
given that at other times they are able to do so?    







 From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:25 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S 
VALENTINE
 


 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 wrote:
 
  Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you
  *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog
  ate my homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy
  archives that you *did* try, just as others here have
  asked those in the know to interpret the writings of you
  know who.
 
 Uh-oh, LG, you're going the route of the other prevaricators
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[Ravi Chivukula]

On Apr 17, 2013, at 2:04 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
 
  Steve - I was expecting you wouldn't answer, I'm glad you didn't answer 
  because you could have totally been dishonest like Curtis and Share but you 
  didn't and I don't think you are dishonest like them - so that's good - it 
  hasn't surprised me but I will continue to use it in my arguments :-)
 
 No! No!.  Tell me you're kidding! You can't mean this.  You mean I'm going to 
 have to live with this albatross around my neck.  A scarlet letter of sorts!  
 You're cruel Ravi.  Cruel, Cruel Cruel!!
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcdQk7JBPzQ

This is the first I have been accused of cruel for not labeling someone as 
dishonest LOL. 

I admire your loyalty Steve :-)

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[Ravi Chivukula]

On Apr 17, 2013, at 2:13 PM, seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
 
  On Apr 17, 2013, at 12:39 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote:
  
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
   snip
   My home's where I am - anyway I love it when I'm in California, can't see 
   living elsewhere, the cool, dry weather, the blue skies, the rolling 
   hills, the cliffs along the beautiful beaches of the Pacific Ocean.
   
   
   Focus on this Ravi. Let it grow in your life. You'll thank me, you'll 
   bless me.
   
  
  LOL - no need to grow, all that natural beauty seems to extend and mirror 
  my inner silence and beauty. And I'm too attached to California's beauty 
  because this is what I focussed on while mystically, manically intoxicated. 
  Just as Ramana was with that mountain Arunachala - but ultimately it's just 
  a mountain.
 
 
 An apt comparison.  Ravi and Ramana?
 
 does this deserve a  guffaw,  or an  pppsie, or maybe a reallly, 
 reaaly, something
 
 What was it Lloyd Bentsen said, Senator, you're no John Kennedy
 
 (look it up Rav)
 
 P.S. Love ya like a brother!

You are right Steve baby - Ramana's too retarded for me, a starving, 
life-abnegating man admired by starving, ignorant, uneducated people.


 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[seventhray27]

Ok, context shift was not the right phrase.  That's why I said,
similar to.  No matter, just some poetic license on my part.
But I am perplexed by what you say below.  After all, you made a
specific statement about something.  I did not make the statement.  The
statement seemed implausible to me, that's why I asked for some
clarification. I don't really know how I would be able to clarify or
back up a statement you made about something.
But if you don't care to do it, then that's your prerogative.  But I do
feel some compunction to try to back up statements that I make.  But
that does not seem to be your m-o.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:

 Hey Steve, actually I didn't shift context at all. You asked me to do
something for you, and I declined, preferring that you do it yourself.
Where's the context shift? A context shift would be if you had asked me,
and all of a sudden I was up in your grill about something, which is not
the case. Jeez.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@
wrote:
 
  Jim, is this akin to shifting the context.
 
  You made a declaration.  Someone, (me in this case), asked to
provide some evidence for it, and you declined.  And now, LG is one
having to explain himself?  Jeez.
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
  
   I taught difficult technical material to adults for twenty years,
by learning it on my own, first. Time for you to get off your ass and do
it yourself...I am amazed at your snarkiness, given that you were
supposedly a professor of something, once.
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
   
Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you
*would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my
homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy archives that you *did*
try, just as others here have asked those in the know to interpret the
writings of you know who. The evidence seems to be leaning towards
nobody really knows what he's talking about. Too bad as I was really
hoping that we had a saint in our midst.
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:

 Sorry Steve, too much trouble. That's why I am retired - don't
have to do the heavy lifting anymore.:-)

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27  wrote:
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@
  wrote:
  
   Last week, I somehow found myself reading about fossils
and the best
  places to find them. Sedimentary rock, that which is formed
by
  compression is the only place they are found, vs. in igneous
and
  metamorphic rocks.
  
   Robin has the writing ability to work methodically down
through the
  fossil record, to the bedrock, when approaching someone's
consciousness.
  For those who doubt this, diagram out any of his writing,
and you will
  see clear first, second, and third set assumptions, each
supported by
  the previous. Very clean and perfectly constructed.
 
  Jim, I find this interesting.  I realize it might entail
some work on
  your part, but could you give an example of this.
 
 
  
   This approach of Robin's, then, can be substantiated as
being in the
  very least, logical. Through the reactions of his targets,
including
  himself, he also (inadvertently?) reveals something about
how we see
  ourselves, often as a shifting mass of emotionally tinged
reactions,
  jellied memories. Not through this verifiable, logical
deduction.
  
   Verifiable, logical deduction works well for external
stuff, like
  determining where to find the fossil record. But most people
do not like
  such dispassionate rigor, applied to their own
self-examination.
  
   So Judy can argue for the validity of Robin's writing, and
Steve can
  argue for its discomfort, and both are correct.
  
   Which then begs the question, if FFL is all about a search
for meaning
  and personal truth, what are those people doing on here, who
continually
  avoid personal truth, by shifting context? What is the
implicit
  agreement we have all made, to validate the dialogue here,
seek personal
  truth, or be comfortable with each other? Or both?
  
 

   
  
 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[seventhray27]

Gonna tell you right now Ravi.  This is my kinda woman!
And I'll tell you what brotha, you couldn't handle her, no way, no how. 
So just step aside and let those who are able take care of business.
Stay at a safe distance, and I'll fill you in on any details. I don't
want you to get hurt.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:

 On Apr 17, 2013, at 2:06 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote:

 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
  
   Ha - you don't see any difference in Share's post and some curious
questions by MJ?
  
   Anyway love to hear on what you think Kali is :-).
  
   I know you are not the smartest so here's a clue to help you -
Kali's not a vile, vindictive bitch.
 
 
  Excellent Ravi.  Excellent.  See, you're not as dimwitted as some
people make you out to be.  And I'm going to point this out when people
accuse you so.  Yes I am.

 You are cracking me up Steve - I have never met people like that, not
even remotely, regardless of whether they love or hate me. But of course
some idiots like you may want to really convince themselves, I say all
power to you - whatever helps you cope :-)

 You never answer my question - so again - oh Steve baby enlighten us
on Kali - clue, she's not a vile, vindictive bitch.



  
   On Apr 17, 2013, at 12:20 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote:
  
Share, you got your Kali out, and I like it immensely. But even
your Kali is always tempered with a big dose of realism and compassion.
   
   
Did you notice the other day when Ravi was conversing with
Michael and (to a lesser extent), me in a, what you might call, normal
fashion. Just some back and forth. No lording over, no I AM THIS, THAT,
AND THE OTHER, thing going on. I thought it was pretty cool. But I
figured it wouldn't last long, and sure enough, it didn't.
   
I'm gonna go back and read his comment that elicited this
response on your part.
   
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:

 Ravi, the first week you were in San Diego, you sounded
happy. But the longer you stay there, the more miserable you
sound. And sadly you've just about totally lost your sense of
humor. I hope your project there ends soon and you can return home
and be happy again.Â

 BTW I agree that Robin does not have to dumb down his
brilliance for anyone and I think that many of us feel the beauty of his
words sometimes. I'm talking about the other times when one needs
a buzzsaw to cut through the jungle of words and phrases to get to the
conceptual oasis. And don't even get me started on the
Irony! For that one needs as reading assistant, the two headed
Hydra, one head parsing for the straight forward meaning and one for the
Descartian doubt technique meaning.Â




 
 From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was
HITLER'S VALENTINE



 Â
 OMG - hilarious stuff dear Share - what a clueless, dishonest
person you are. Judy has exposed your lies several times - yet you are
unwilling, unable to see it.

 No - Robin doesn't have to dumb down his brilliance for you,
Barry, LG and Steve, all you need is a dictionary, a heart to feel the
beauty of his words.

 I will get to your garbage when I have some time.


 On Apr 17, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:


 Â
 laughinggull I want to say that sometimes I find Robin's
writing simple and clear. But very often I find it unclear and
voluminous which for me adds up to unreadable. IMO Judy
demonstrates a certain kind of co dependent arrogance every time she
berates people for not getting off their butts, putting in the effort,
etc. to understand Robin's writing. Other posters here manages
many times to be both clear AND profound. Why can't Robin?Â
Ok, ok, people have a right to have their unique voice. And I
actually enjoy all the different writing styles. But if a person
wants to be understood, wouldn't they make an attempt to write more
clearly for their audience? Especially given that at other times
they are able to do so?   Â
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:25 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was
HITLER'S VALENTINE
 
 
 
 Â
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend
authfriend@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108
wrote:
  
   Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that
you
   *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the
dog
   ate my homework. Well, Steve, 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ding dong, the witch is almost posted out...

[Ravi Chivukula]

Judy's totally stressing poor King Baby out :-) and he assured us he was going 
to have a life, enjoy Paris - he's trying hard to cope up, I thought 
Castaneda's word may help him numb the pain Judy inflicts - but no luck :-)


On Apr 17, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
 
  Doncha just love Wednesday through Friday (or earlier)
  recently? The most obsessive poster has nearly posted 
  out, and her minions are such toadying pussies that they 
  are either afraid to get really nasty without her present
  to support or stroke them, or they can't think of anything
  to say without her here to prompt them. 
  
  It leaves the rest of us free to talk about whatever
  the fuck we want, in relative peace, and with very
  few engineered arguments. Such a deal. 
  
  Belatedly, all praise in this regard should go to Rick,
  who SO wisely implemented the posting limit some time
  back. Without it, some would still be flooding this
  forum with hundreds of vomit-posts a week.
 
 Barry and the rest of us:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was HITLER'S VALENTINE

[seventhray27]

Psst.  Ravi.  Come here.  No, a little closer. I don't want anyone to
hear.  Listen, you made the comparison between yourself and Ramana
Maharishi.  So, I don't think you mean to compare yourself to a
life-abnegating individual.
Yea, yea, I know you had your delusions of becoming the next big thing
in Yogidom, but still, you don't have to go this far.  You are a
physically fit, western trained Telagu Brahmin.  Stand up for yourself. 
Shake off this paltry faintheartedness
And yes, still loving you like a brother.  so we're all good there.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:


 On Apr 17, 2013, at 2:13 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote:

 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
  
   On Apr 17, 2013, at 12:39 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote:
  
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
snip
My home's where I am - anyway I love it when I'm in California,
can't see living elsewhere, the cool, dry weather, the blue skies, the
rolling hills, the cliffs along the beautiful beaches of the Pacific
Ocean.
   
   
Focus on this Ravi. Let it grow in your life. You'll thank me,
you'll bless me.
   
  
   LOL - no need to grow, all that natural beauty seems to extend and
mirror my inner silence and beauty. And I'm too attached to California's
beauty because this is what I focussed on while mystically, manically
intoxicated. Just as Ramana was with that mountain Arunachala - but
ultimately it's just a mountain.
 
 
  An apt comparison.  Ravi and Ramana?
 
  does this deserve a  ,  or an  , or maybe a
 
  What was it Lloyd Bentsen said, Senator, you're no John Kennedy
 
  (look it up Rav)
 
  P.S. Love ya like a brother!

 You are right Steve baby - Ramana's too retarded for me, a starving,
life-abnegating man admired by starving, ignorant, uneducated people.


 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: parsing a la Descartes was VALENTINE

[doctordumbass]

Point taken. I recognize the trade off in what I said. However, since a few 
people here are able to comprehend what Robin posts, I consider it within the 
realm of possibility that anyone can. 

Why not pick a passage of his, that is sufficiently vexing for you, and 
manageable for discussion, and bring it up? I will happily discuss it with you. 
Trying to eat the entire elephant at once, though, is too much.   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote:

 Ok, context shift was not the right phrase.  That's why I said,
 similar to.  No matter, just some poetic license on my part.
 But I am perplexed by what you say below.  After all, you made a
 specific statement about something.  I did not make the statement.  The
 statement seemed implausible to me, that's why I asked for some
 clarification. I don't really know how I would be able to clarify or
 back up a statement you made about something.
 But if you don't care to do it, then that's your prerogative.  But I do
 feel some compunction to try to back up statements that I make.  But
 that does not seem to be your m-o.
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
 
  Hey Steve, actually I didn't shift context at all. You asked me to do
 something for you, and I declined, preferring that you do it yourself.
 Where's the context shift? A context shift would be if you had asked me,
 and all of a sudden I was up in your grill about something, which is not
 the case. Jeez.
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@
 wrote:
  
   Jim, is this akin to shifting the context.
  
   You made a declaration.  Someone, (me in this case), asked to
 provide some evidence for it, and you declined.  And now, LG is one
 having to explain himself?  Jeez.
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
   
I taught difficult technical material to adults for twenty years,
 by learning it on my own, first. Time for you to get off your ass and do
 it yourself...I am amazed at your snarkiness, given that you were
 supposedly a professor of something, once.
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:

 Aw shucks, dumbass, I was rooting for ya not only that you
 *would* do it but *could* do it...very similar to the dog ate my
 homework. Well, Steve, it'll remain in the holy archives that you *did*
 try, just as others here have asked those in the know to interpret the
 writings of you know who. The evidence seems to be leaning towards
 nobody really knows what he's talking about. Too bad as I was really
 hoping that we had a saint in our midst.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
 
  Sorry Steve, too much trouble. That's why I am retired - don't
 have to do the heavy lifting anymore.:-)
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27  wrote:
  
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@
   wrote:
   
Last week, I somehow found myself reading about fossils
 and the best
   places to find them. Sedimentary rock, that which is formed
 by
   compression is the only place they are found, vs. in igneous
 and
   metamorphic rocks.
   
Robin has the writing ability to work methodically down
 through the
   fossil record, to the bedrock, when approaching someone's
 consciousness.
   For those who doubt this, diagram out any of his writing,
 and you will
   see clear first, second, and third set assumptions, each
 supported by
   the previous. Very clean and perfectly constructed.
  
   Jim, I find this interesting.  I realize it might entail
 some work on
   your part, but could you give an example of this.
  
  
   
This approach of Robin's, then, can be substantiated as
 being in the
   very least, logical. Through the reactions of his targets,
 including
   himself, he also (inadvertently?) reveals something about
 how we see
   ourselves, often as a shifting mass of emotionally tinged
 reactions,
   jellied memories. Not through this verifiable, logical
 deduction.
   
Verifiable, logical deduction works well for external
 stuff, like
   determining where to find the fossil record. But most people
 do not like
   such dispassionate rigor, applied to their own
 self-examination.
   
So Judy can argue for the validity of Robin's writing, and
 Steve can
   argue for its discomfort, and both are correct.
   
Which then begs the question, if FFL is all about a search
 for meaning
   and personal truth, what are those people doing on here, who
 continually
   avoid personal truth, by shifting context? What is the
 implicit
   agreement we have all made, to validate the dialogue here,
 seek personal
   truth, or be comfortable with each other? Or both?
   
  
 

   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ding dong, the witch is almost posted out...

[doctordumbass]

He should have titled that last post, Free Man in Paris, Two dot oh shit, who 
am I kidding?.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote:

 Judy's totally stressing poor King Baby out :-) and he assured us he was 
 going to have a life, enjoy Paris - he's trying hard to cope up, I thought 
 Castaneda's word may help him numb the pain Judy inflicts - but no luck :-)
 
 
 On Apr 17, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:
 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
  
   Doncha just love Wednesday through Friday (or earlier)
   recently? The most obsessive poster has nearly posted 
   out, and her minions are such toadying pussies that they 
   are either afraid to get really nasty without her present
   to support or stroke them, or they can't think of anything
   to say without her here to prompt them. 
   
   It leaves the rest of us free to talk about whatever
   the fuck we want, in relative peace, and with very
   few engineered arguments. Such a deal. 
   
   Belatedly, all praise in this regard should go to Rick,
   who SO wisely implemented the posting limit some time
   back. Without it, some would still be flooding this
   forum with hundreds of vomit-posts a week.
  
  Barry and the rest of us:
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Artichoke Season

[Bhairitu]

Artichoke season is here and I just finished off a jumbo artichoke (eat 
your hearts out).  Those are almost too big for one person and usually 
split between too.  Locally grown fresh off the farm.  Very, very tasty!

[FairfieldLife] Boston knocked this news story off front pages....

[Bhairitu]

U.S. Engaged in Torture After 9/11, Review Concludes
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/16/world/us-practiced-torture-after-9-11-nonpartisan-review-concludes.html

No, no, don't read that look over here at Boston!  Sorta convenient, 
doncha think?

Also a BBC 13 minute interview with Oliver Stone done late last week 
where Stone says that Obama carried on Bush administration malfeasance 
in a subtler way:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p017q5fw

Smelling the coffee yet?

[FairfieldLife] America needs a new war or capitalism dies

[Bhairitu]

I say let the evil monster die.

Commentary: Low defense spending is killing jobs
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/america-needs-a-new-war-or-capitalism-dies-2013-04-17

America is the Nazi Germany of the 21st century.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Boston knocked this news story off front pages....

[Richard J. Williams]

 Bhairitu:
 Stone says that Obama carried on Bush administration 
 malfeasance in a subtler way...

There you go again - stirring things up. What are you 
trying to do get me beat up? We already covered this 
with Edg at least a few years ago. Wake up and smell the 
coffee! Go figure.

KARMA'S A BITCH! You haven't said much about the hypocrisy 
and opportunism of supposedly antiwar liberals. 

Wall Street Journal:
http://tinyurl.com/anoavjz

The lawyers who denounced Bush's claim of presidential 
war power were 'uneasy' when it was their task to define 
Obama's war power. 

Althouse:
http://tinyurl.com/bzrsp8z