[FairfieldLife] Drummerworld: top 15 drummers of all time
in alphabetical order: http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/John_Bonham.htmlLouie Bellson http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Louie_Bellson.html John Bonham http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/John_Bonham.html Dennis Chambers http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Dennis_Chambers.html Billy Cobham http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Bill_Cobham.htmlVinnie Colaiuta http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Vinnie_Colaiuta.html Steve Gadd http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Steve_Gadd.html Roy Haynes http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Roy_Haynes.html Elvin Jones http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Elvin_Jones.html Gene Krupa http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Gene_Krupa.htmlJoe Morello http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Joe_Morello.html Buddy Rich http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Buddy_Rich.html Max Roach http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Max_Roach.html Ringo Starr http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Ringo_Starr.html Dave Weckl http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Dave_Weckl.html Tony Williams http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Tony_Williams.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: They want your attention because they feed off of you
Just as a followup, because I did feel that this was a thought-provoking article, as an example of the cost of the Internet and our we-only-want-30-seconds-of-your-attention-for-a-soundbyte media, how many of you found that you no longer had the attention span to read the entire article? No need to reply...you know who you are. :-) Attention -- the nature of it, the seeking of it, and the cost of giving it out indiscriminately -- is obviously a fascination of mine, so this article appealed to me. It made me think about the very nature of the Internet and its economic underpinnings, and why all of my browsers are equipped with add-ons like Adblock Plus. I don't see ads -- even subliminally, in the margins or in the top banner -- when reading this forum, and I never have to wait through a commercial when watching a YouTube video. I consider those things an intrusion into my life that is unacceptable in terms of cost, so I've found a way to block them. I'm going into this because some on this forum take the fact that I have set up less automated, manual blocks of *them* and their posts personally, as if it's some kind of attack against them. It's not. It's the consequence of sussing out that I have a limited amount of time left on this rock, and I don't want to piss it away with people or things that will simply waste it. It's not necessarily personal; it's the result of a cost/benefit analysis. Long experience has taught me that some subjects and some people are going to be *by definition* a waste of my time, and time is the one resource I cannot get back. So I've downloaded the EgoBlock Plus add-on, and installed it on my internal wetware browser. I recommend it highly. :-) And it's even free, so Alex doesn't have to worry about this post being spam. :-) All you need to run this add-on is free will, and the discrimination to use it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: This subject line is a test, written after reading the article at the link below. Despite what some here might have thought when they clicked on it, neither the article nor the subject line is a reference to Fairfield Life or the characters who populate it and often vie for your attention. But both could be. The subject line is a very literal description of the Internet and how it works. And the article is about attention, period, how we live in a world that is nickle-and-dimeing us to death by stealing tiny slices of our attention, and what the cumulative cost of pissing away all that attention might be. It's also a little about people's goals when they desire to attract the attention of others, and about goals, period. I loved the G.K. Chesterton story from Tremendous Trifles about the two kids; it finally made me understand why TMers want to fly. Anyway, enjoy: http://www.aeonmagazine.com/world-views/does-each-click-of-attention-co\ st-a-bit-of-ourselves/ http://www.aeonmagazine.com/world-views/does-each-click-of-attention-cos\ t-a-bit-of-ourselves / http://www.aeonmagazine.com/world-views/does-each-click-of-attention-co\ st-a-bit-of-ourselves/ http://www.aeonmagazine.com/world-views/does-each-click-of-attention-co\ st-a-bit-of-ourselves/
[FairfieldLife] Congrats, future Mitshubishi owners!
nd - HERE, a Nokia business, announced today that Mitsubishi Motors North America, Inc. has launched HERE Traffic including real-time information on traffic and weather, and is the first to offer updates on fuel prices delivered by HD Radio(TM) technology* for drivers in the U.S. The service goes beyond the usual highway network, providing information on four times more roads than comparable products. By using HD technology, updates on real-time conditions delivered to the driver are ten times faster than the standard speed available in the market. Connected services from HERE provide a smarter, safer and more enjoyable driving experience every day through always up to date, real-time data, whether the driver is looking to avoid traffic jams and unsafe driving conditions due to weather or just looking for a gas station offering the best fuel prices. The new offering will be available for the following Mitsubishi 2014 models: Lancer, Lancer Evolution, Lancer Sportback, Outlander, and Outlander Sport. HERE Traffic can leverage a larger amount of rich location content, such as access to 100,000 gas stations in the U.S., than any other broadcast service on the market today by using HD technology, which has the bandwidth to transmit more data at a faster speed for Mitsubishi drivers. More than 330,000 miles of local roads now have real-time traffic information, and fresh weather updates are received every 30 seconds. All of this information is available through Mitsubishi Motors' infotainment system and can be easily accessed by using the controls in the steering wheel or on the viewing touchscreen. We were the first company to support the launch of in-car navigation in Mitsubishi's vehicles back in the late 1990s, and now we're offering real-time traffic, weather updates and fuel prices in HD in North America. Mitsubishi car drivers are again among the first to take advantage of the latest technology development, said Ogi Redzic, Vice President for Connected Driving at HERE. Our expansion to HD emphasizes our deep commitment to improve the driver experience. Our commitment to bring the most innovative technologies to our drivers continues to move forward at an aggressive pace, and offering real-time traffic, weather and fuel prices by HD from HERE is another natural next step, said Bryan Arnett, Senior Manager of Product Planning, Mitsubishi Motors North America. Mitsubishi owners will now experience a more enjoyable drive that will let them feel safer while driving on the road. The success of connected car systems will derive directly from their ability to deliver a consumer proposition with timely and daily relevance, said Roger C. Lanctot, associate director in the global automotive practice of Strategy Analytics. Traffic and weather top the list of desired consumer content, and delivering more of that data faster via HD Radio connections is a market- changing offer. * HD Radio(TM) technology is a broadcast solution for real-time information. It includes a digital encoder which offers a higher bandwidth when compared to the standard RDS analog systems. This enables more than four times the amount of content to be transmitted. HD is able to increase the speed of distribution by ten times over RDS, which translates to 30 second incremental updates - faster than any other broadcast format available in the market today. About HERE and Nokia HERE, a Nokia business, offers the world's best maps and location experiences across multiple screens and operating systems. HERE inspires a new generation of location services and devices helping more people to navigate their lives with ease and confidence. Built on more than 25 years of experience in cartography and drawing on more than 80,000 sources of data, HERE offers Maps for Life for more than 190 countries, voice guided navigation in 95 countries in more than 50 languages and live traffic information for 34 countries. To learn more about HERE, visit http://blog.here.com/. Nokia is a global leader in mobile communications whose products have become an integral part of the lives of people around the world. Every day, more than 1.3 billion people use their Nokia to capture and share experiences, access information, find their way or simply to speak to one another. Nokia's technological and design innovations have made its brand one of the most recognized in the world. For more information, visit http://www.nokia.com/about- nokia. Media Enquiries: Nokia Communications Tel. +358 7180 34900 Email: press.servi...@nokia.com
[FairfieldLife] Amma will be knifed by a former follower??
On a Finnish astrology forum, Yep claimed Amma having said years ago that she (Amma) shall die knifed by a former follower...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Power of giving without expecting a return
Happy Navaratri, merudanda (-: From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 4:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Power of giving without expecting a return http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mk5TnsiHAM The True Corporations commercial-spot Giving, should be studied and analyzed as an emotional masterpiece. - Johnny Luckett, Hollywood You may argue that it certainly says something about the state of Hollywood today that a three minute ad produced at a fraction of the cost of most movies is more moving and poignant than almost anything the big studios have to offer. OTHO the Thai telecommunications conglomerate True which is getting rave reviews worldwide for this spot, Giving, would probably be more meaningful if the US$3 billion conglomerate(True controls Thailand's largest cable TV provider ) were to, say, give away their services and devices for free. Which they are not . (Something for cardy /mobil phone) http://store.truecorp.co.th/ http://www3.truecorp.co.th/home Financial Highlights As of December 31, 2012 http://true.listedcompany.com/financial_highlights.html But what the company lacks in commitment to its own philosophy which are more Hollywood /TMO-like again., it more than makes up for in inspirational advertising- Oh maya, false images of water on the desert floor, covering, transparent veil, surfing the various waves of life, yo becomes a ladder to ultimate reality - a ladder to Brahman- rather than a covering for it
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: MMY and Siddha Tradtions
Jerry may not have wanted to make a travel programme but in many ways that seems to be just what the BBC wanted of her. And why not, you could ask: she's got looks, presence, a surprisingly sharp and unbubbly sense of humour, and looks like she's enjoying herself. Many viewers will want to be her as she suffers spas and facials and five-star foreign hotels and interviews people such as, er, Mick Jagger. But a deep and questing search for spiritual enlightenment it is not - not unless your chosen way of reaching a higher plane is through gritted teeth. The first programme spends time simply rehashing the old story of alleged 'improprieties' perpetrated against Mia Farrow by the mendacious old Maharishi, a man who told reporters back in 1968 that his brand of spiritual peace 'could only truly be appreciated by men of the world with rewarding activities and high income' and thus famously, and quite accountably, wooed the Beatles successfully. Jerry, for all the canny-eyed wit she honestly seems to sport in real life, somehow finds herself on screen spouting insights such as: 'I think this river has something very magical about it. Something very spiritual.' The river is the Ganges. 'So much energy and prayer been done here. Like when you go to a temple, you feel that, so much spiritual energy in the place.' She doesn't actually go in because there's too much pollution. http://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2003/nov/09/features.review27 From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 9:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: MMY and Siddha Tradtions Check this out FFLers! A forthcoming BBC documentary: Jerry Hall’s Gurus (working title) Jerry Hall – actress, super-model and one-time wife of Mick Jagger – presents a three-part series looking at the world of gurus and the celebrities who listen to their messages. Jerry travels the world, making an offering on the banks of the River Ganges and visiting the ashram of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in Rishikesh where The Beatles first went in 1968. In Los Angeles she meets Nancy Cooke de Herrera, who looked after The Beatles when they were with the Maharishi in the 1960s. Now a transcendental meditation guru herself, Nancy’s followers have included Madonna, David Lynch and Sheryl Crow. Jerry catches up with Hollywood actress and old friend Anjelica Huston, and she visits Deepak Chopra, the guru who profoundly influenced her and her twin sister when Terry was diagnosed with breast cancer five years ago. Interspersed with revealing footage of her day-to-day life as actress, model and mother, Jerry Hall’s Gurus (w/t) sees Jerry visit Los Angeles and India as well as at home in London, where she explores the wildly popular trends of Kabbalah, Agapae and yoga. But it is in the Ojai Valley, a mystical haven in California, that Jerry undergoes a Trager session which helps her face up to her past experiences and completes her spiritual odyssey. Starting to drool yet? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: Poor Richard. He works so hard. Indian film director Mira Nair (whose titles include the enjoyable Kama Sutra: A Tale of Love and Vanity Fair, with Reese Witherspoon) began work on a documentary film about the Beatles' 1968 visit to India. I hope she completes the project as it's a shoo-in to be an entertaining nostalgia trip. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Yes, householder. That's anyone with worldly responsibilities (male or female, head of the household or sweeper of the floor), as opposed to a monk, a recluse who has renounced the world. The Domash essay touches on that distinction, an important one in TM lore. As to whether Guru Dev wanted a simple variant of what he himself taught, I don't think we know that. There are all kinds of stories floating around the movement (and among critics of the movement), and most of them are probably bogus. I do think it's clear that Guru Dev didn't teach TM-as-taught-by-Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi. What isn't clear, at least to me, is whether Guru Dev had any intentional, specific input at all into Maharishi's formulation of and decision to teach TM. My guess is he didn't. The Domash essay carefully avoids raising that issue. And, um, I wouldn't take Richard's posts to confirm anything. Seraphita wrote: Householder is the term maybe, rather than housekeeper? The person in charge rather the person sweeping the floor? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Thanks for the link authfriend. I can see why MMY would approve that account! Richard's posts seem to confirm that Guru Dev most likely did have a Sri Yantra. I still think that the tale of Maharishi bumping off his master, stealing his jewelled Sri Yantra and then heading south to meet with Indian magicians who teach him
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: MMY and Siddha Tradtions
...what Maharishi wanted known about the origins of Transcendental Meditation Nicely and carefully phrased, Judy. That would be the streamlined party-line - any resemblance to truth is purely incidental. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Seraphita, if you're interested in what Maharishi wanted known about the origins of Transcendental Meditation (i.e., the specific technique he taught), see here (it's a 1993 post from the Usenet newsgroup alt.meditation.transcendental, now archived on Google Groups): http://tinyurl.com/34bras http://tinyurl.com/34bras The post contains the first half of the introductory essay by Larry Domash to the first volume of the Collected Papers (research studies on TM, published in 1975). The whole thing (that is, the whole first half) is of interest, but Domash gets to the nitty-gritty about the origins of TM in the paragraph beginning As an unusually talented student... if you want to skip the background. Rick Archer has said he was present when Domash read the essay to Maharishi for his approval, so we can be pretty sure it reflects the account Maharishi wanted told. (Whether it's 100 percent accurate is anyone's guess.) It doesn't exactly answer your question, but it seems clear that Maharishi didn't simply parrot the meditation instructions given by Guru Dev (or at least didn't want that to be the story). Seraphita wrote to Richard: So if I'm following your post correctly that means Guru Dev's own initiation into meditation was essentially an initiation into transcendental meditation (before it had that name obviously) - just like you and me! Would that have been just a beginner's technique which he would later have abandoned? And, if so, are there details of what his later practice was?
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and Siddha Tradtions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: what about it was revolutionary? He wasn't the only Indian guru who came to the states and europe to promote his schtick you know. It was revolutionary in that he found a way to present a technique of meditation designed for beginners, as a mere starting point from which to explore more interesting techniques, as the end point of meditation itself. In other words, he presented a kindergarten level of meditation as the best, most effective form of meditation on the planet, and convinced millions of people it was true. I'd call the chutzpah of that pretty revolutionary, wouldn't you? :-)
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: MMY and Siddha Tradtions
I wrote: (snip) ...what Maharishi wanted known about the origins of Transcendental Meditation (iranitea's italics) Iranitea wrote: Nicely and carefully phrased, Judy. That would be the streamlined party-line - any resemblance to truth is purely incidental. What would be the streamlined party line? I wouldn't call Domash's account streamlined, nor is it the party line, at least not in any of the origin-story versions I've ever heard. The one I've heard most often is that what Maharishi taught as TM is what Guru Dev taught, which is not what Domash says. I've made that point more than once on FFL. Nor does Domash suggest that Guru Dev ever encouraged Maharishi to teach, or even had any idea that Maharishi might one day do so. But that's another feature of the party line versions I've heard, that Guru Dev more or less groomed Maharishi to teach in his name. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Seraphita, if you're interested in what Maharishi wanted known about the origins of Transcendental Meditation (i.e., the specific technique he taught), see here (it's a 1993 post from the Usenet newsgroup alt.meditation.transcendental, now archived on Google Groups): http://tinyurl.com/34bras http://tinyurl.com/34bras The post contains the first half of the introductory essay by Larry Domash to the first volume of the Collected Papers (research studies on TM, published in 1975). The whole thing (that is, the whole first half) is of interest, but Domash gets to the nitty-gritty about the origins of TM in the paragraph beginning As an unusually talented student... if you want to skip the background. Rick Archer has said he was present when Domash read the essay to Maharishi for his approval, so we can be pretty sure it reflects the account Maharishi wanted told. (Whether it's 100 percent accurate is anyone's guess.) It doesn't exactly answer your question, but it seems clear that Maharishi didn't simply parrot the meditation instructions given by Guru Dev (or at least didn't want that to be the story).
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: MMY and Siddha Tradtions
It sure is looking like the authfriend is disputing the fact that Swami Karpatri was a member of the Sri Vidya sect. Now, why would she do that and mislead us about the SBS affiliations with Sri Vidya? Obviously if Swami Karpatri was a Sri Vidya he learned it from his guru SKS. Go figure. He was also the great expert of Shree Vidya and probably all the present day experts in Varanasi have somehow or the other obtained Shree vidya from him or his pupils. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri Why would MMY tell a fib about his tradition's lineage? So many questions - so few answers. The question is: why do some TMers meditate on the bija of Saraswati if MMY didn't get the bja from SBS? Would MMY just make it up or read it in a book? Is it just a coincidence that the bija of Saraswati is included in the fifteen bijas mentioned in the Sound Arya Lahari by the Adi Shankara? There is one undisputed fact: all the Saraswati dasanami's meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati at least twice a day! Is there anyone here who would dispute this? On 10/7/2013 7:05 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks for the link authfriend. I can see why MMY would approve that account! Richard's posts seem to confirm that Guru Dev most likely did have a Sri Yantra. I still think that the tale of Maharishi bumping off his master, stealing his jewelled Sri Yantra and then heading south to meet with Indian magicians who teach him how to unlock its secrets would make a great movie: Maharishi invokes asuras who promise him unlimited wealth and power - the CGI people are given free rein at this point. The asuras' acolyte (film-maker Kenneth Anger) is instructed to prepare the way amongst rock royalty like the Stones and the Beatles . . . and so it goes. Scorcese would lap this up. A while back I read Our Spiritual Heritage: An Informal History of the Masters of the Sankaracharya Tradition by Lynn Nappe (a former TM teacher) - the story of each of the masters of the Shankaracharya tradition. The entry for Guru Dev includes an overview of his meditation advice that is most certainlynot TM. Lynne Nappe glosses this by saying Guru Dev's own technique was different but he wanted a simple variant suitable for the housekeeper. I guess we're all housekeepers . . . housewives or househusbands. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: On 10/07/2013 01:02 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, where did the meditation of SBS come from? Meditation is a technique that is common all over India, especially in the sect of the Sri Vidya. In that tradition they meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati. It's the same bija mantra given out in TM initiation. It's the same technique - it's a meditation using a bija mantra of Saraswati. Let's review what we know about SBS. Rajaram Mishra, later to become Swami Bramhananda Saraswati, was born on Thursday, 21 December, 1868 in village Gana, which is close to the city of Ayodhya, in North India. Rajaram was enrolled at the Sanskrit Institute at Kashi at the age of eight and later became a student of Swami Krishnananda Saraswati of Utter Kashi. http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html Are we agreed so far? So, we can assume that the SBS learned meditation from SKS who was initiated by his guru. All the gurus in the Saraswati lineage meditate on the bija of Saraswati. Their headquarters is at Sringeri. According to the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, the meditation technique used in TM originated with the Vedic sage Naryana. It's the same meditation that is used by all the Shankaracharyas in that lineage. So, the TM bija mantras came from SBS, who was a member of the dasanami order of the Saraswati dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi Shankara. The bijas used in TM have been around for ages. And they didn't have to come from anyone. .
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: MMY and Siddha Tradtions
Wouldn't it be great if others would do a little research and post it here too, instead of wasting time arguing over semantics and playing childish 'gotcha' games and finking on their old friends. Is there anyone out there that can hold a yoga pose? LoL! and On 10/7/2013 8:24 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: Poor Richard. He works so hard. Indian film director Mira Nair (whose titles include the enjoyable Kama Sutra: A Tale of Love and Vanity Fair, with Reese Witherspoon) began work on a documentary film about the Beatles' 1968 visit to India. I hope she completes the project as it's a shoo-in to be an entertaining nostalgia trip. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Yes, householder. That's anyone with worldly responsibilities (male or female, head of the household or sweeper of the floor), as opposed to a monk, a recluse who has renounced the world. The Domash essay touches on that distinction, an important one in TM lore. As to whether Guru Dev wanted a simple variant of what he himself taught, I don't think we know that. There are all kinds of stories floating around the movement (and among critics of the movement), and most of them are probably bogus. I do think it's clear that Guru Dev didn't teach TM-as-taught-by-Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi. What isn't clear, at least to me, is whether Guru Dev had any intentional, specific input at all into Maharishi's formulation of and decision to teach TM. My guess is he didn't. The Domash essay carefully avoids raising that issue. And, um, I wouldn't take Richard's posts to confirm /anything/. Seraphita wrote: Householder is the term maybe, rather than housekeeper? The person in charge rather the person sweeping the floor? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Thanks for the link authfriend. I can see why MMY would approve that account! Richard's posts seem to confirm that Guru Dev most likely did have a Sri Yantra. I still think that the tale of Maharishi bumping off his master, stealing his jewelled Sri Yantra and then heading south to meet with Indian magicians who teach him how to unlock its secrets would make a great movie: Maharishi invokes asuras who promise him unlimited wealth and power - the CGI people are given free rein at this point. The asuras' acolyte (film-maker Kenneth Anger) is instructed to prepare the way amongst rock royalty like the Stones and the Beatles . . . and so it goes. Scorcese would lap this up. A while back I read Our Spiritual Heritage: An Informal History of the Masters of the Sankaracharya Tradition by Lynn Nappe (a former TM teacher) - the story of each of the masters of the Shankaracharya tradition. The entry for Guru Dev includes an overview of his meditation advice that is most certainlynot TM. Lynne Nappe glosses this by saying Guru Dev's own technique was different but he wanted a simple variant suitable for the housekeeper. I guess we're all housekeepers . . . housewives or househusbands. .
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY and Siddha Tradtions
So, it looks like Barry 2 is thinking the bija mantras have been around for ages. Does that men he thinks the bijas are eternal and came into the minds of the rishis spontaneously by the grace of Lord Shiva? Or, did the bija mantras have a human origin and were passed down from guru to chela in a long unbroken line leading back to the maha siddhas of the tantric tradtion? It has now been established that at least two of the most sacred bija-mantras, out of the fifteen, contained in the Sound Arya La Hari, are in fact, TM bija-mantras. Now, if the Adi Shankara wrote the Sounda, then he must have included the fifteen bijas contained within, would he not? On 10/7/2013 6:13 PM, Bhairitu wrote: On 10/07/2013 01:02 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, where did the meditation of SBS come from? Meditation is a technique that is common all over India, especially in the sect of the Sri Vidya. In that tradition they meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati. It's the same bija mantra given out in TM initiation. It's the same technique - it's a meditation using a bija mantra of Saraswati. Let's review what we know about SBS. Rajaram Mishra, later to become Swami Bramhananda Saraswati, was born on Thursday, 21 December, 1868 in village Gana, which is close to the city of Ayodhya, in North India. Rajaram was enrolled at the Sanskrit Institute at Kashi at the age of eight and later became a student of Swami Krishnananda Saraswati of Utter Kashi. http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html Are we agreed so far? So, we can assume that the SBS learned meditation from SKS who was initiated by his guru. All the gurus in the Saraswati lineage meditate on the bija of Saraswati. Their headquarters is at Sringeri. According to the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, the meditation technique used in TM originated with the Vedic sage Naryana. It's the same meditation that is used by all the Shankaracharyas in that lineage. So, the TM bija mantras came from SBS, who was a member of the dasanami order of the Saraswati dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi Shankara. The bijas used in TM have been around for ages. And they didn't have to come from anyone.
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Shut up, Richard. I'm not disputing anything. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: It sure is looking like the authfriend is disputing the fact that Swami Karpatri was a member of the Sri Vidya sect. Now, why would she do that and mislead us about the SBS affiliations with Sri Vidya? Obviously if Swami Karpatri was a Sri Vidya he learned it from his guru SKS. Go figure. He was also the great expert of Shree Vidya and probably all the present day experts in Varanasi have somehow or the other obtained Shree vidya from him or his pupils. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri Why would MMY tell a fib about his tradition's lineage? So many questions - so few answers. The question is: why do some TMers meditate on the bija of Saraswati if MMY didn't get the bja from SBS? Would MMY just make it up or read it in a book? Is it just a coincidence that the bija of Saraswati is included in the fifteen bijas mentioned in the Sound Arya Lahari by the Adi Shankara? There is one undisputed fact: all the Saraswati dasanami's meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati at least twice a day! Is there anyone here who would dispute this? On 10/7/2013 7:05 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote: Thanks for the link authfriend. I can see why MMY would approve that account! Richard's posts seem to confirm that Guru Dev most likely did have a Sri Yantra. I still think that the tale of Maharishi bumping off his master, stealing his jewelled Sri Yantra and then heading south to meet with Indian magicians who teach him how to unlock its secrets would make a great movie: Maharishi invokes asuras who promise him unlimited wealth and power - the CGI people are given free rein at this point. The asuras' acolyte (film-maker Kenneth Anger) is instructed to prepare the way amongst rock royalty like the Stones and the Beatles . . . and so it goes. Scorcese would lap this up. A while back I read Our Spiritual Heritage: An Informal History of the Masters of the Sankaracharya Tradition by Lynn Nappe (a former TM teacher) - the story of each of the masters of the Shankaracharya tradition. The entry for Guru Dev includes an overview of his meditation advice that is most certainly not TM. Lynne Nappe glosses this by saying Guru Dev's own technique was different but he wanted a simple variant suitable for the housekeeper. I guess we're all housekeepers . . . housewives or househusbands. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote: On 10/07/2013 01:02 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, where did the meditation of SBS come from? Meditation is a technique that is common all over India, especially in the sect of the Sri Vidya. In that tradition they meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati. It's the same bija mantra given out in TM initiation. It's the same technique - it's a meditation using a bija mantra of Saraswati. Let's review what we know about SBS. Rajaram Mishra, later to become Swami Bramhananda Saraswati, was born on Thursday, 21 December, 1868 in village Gana, which is close to the city of Ayodhya, in North India. Rajaram was enrolled at the Sanskrit Institute at Kashi at the age of eight and later became a student of Swami Krishnananda Saraswati of Utter Kashi. http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html Are we agreed so far? So, we can assume that the SBS learned meditation from SKS who was initiated by his guru. All the gurus in the Saraswati lineage meditate on the bija of Saraswati. Their headquarters is at Sringeri. According to the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, the meditation technique used in TM originated with the Vedic sage Naryana. It's the same meditation that is used by all the Shankaracharyas in that lineage. So, the TM bija mantras came from SBS, who was a member of the dasanami order of the Saraswati dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi Shankara. The bijas used in TM have been around for ages. And they didn't have to come from anyone. .
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TurquoiseB: I'd call the chutzpah of that pretty revolutionary, wouldn't you? It actually IS, and I do mean this in a rather positive way. The real innovation in TM is the packaging. It's in the language. None of the essential elements that constitute TM as a technique is new at all: the mantras are the well known Tantric mantras as used in the Shri Vidya for example. The element of effortlessness and spontaneity is there in a number of other meditation techniques as well, otherwise, where does the term Sahaja come from? But mostly those other traditions, who emphasize this spontaneity and effortlessness, rely on some kind of transmission like in Dzogchen or on shaktipath. The idea to go with the mind rather than against it, is essentially present in all tantric teachings. The idea of momentary transcendence is there in Kashmere Shaivism as the teaching of turya between two thoughts. What is innovative, is the packaging of it AS a singular meditation technique, stripped from religious language and connotations. Substituting religious language with more western scientific - (pseudo)- jargon. The language of a rediscovered lost ancient technique that is unique and effective for the householder is instead not innovative but typical sales pitch. Because 'effective for the householder' is true for all tantric teachings. What is innovative is, that Maharishi came from a monastic orthodox tradition, and utilized it's tantric elements to open it up to something entirely different. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: what about it was revolutionary? He wasn't the only Indian guru who came to the states and europe to promote his schtick you know. It was revolutionary in that he found a way to present a technique of meditation designed for beginners, as a mere starting point from which to explore more interesting techniques, as the end point of meditation itself. In other words, he presented a kindergarten level of meditation as the best, most effective form of meditation on the planet, and convinced millions of people it was true. I'd call the chutzpah of that pretty revolutionary, wouldn't you? :-)
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May it be allowed to question with all due respect, kowtow and hand kisses to my Lady of the Lake Jude your references. You mentioning as a source for Dr.Domash article your battleground where you fought so brave for purity and integrity...when there is the article as a whole available at mum. Oh my dear , let us consider with Lawrence Domash that the degree of consciousness may be related to the degree of long-range spatial and temporal comprehension and awarenessand therefore related our degree of long-range spatial and temporal comprehension and awareness to the wholeness of the article and it in devotion so brilliantly described implication. , not forgetting the context,too. The introductionMaharishi Mahesh Yogi and the Transcendental Meditation Program: A New Direction for Scientific Research continues with: It would be shortsighted, however, to believe that Maharishi will be regarded in the future merely as the man who introduced to science a certain new or revived relaxation technique with a variety of measurable effects. Rather, it seems certain that he will properly come to be regarded as the man who changed the entire scope and direction of scientific research by compelling science to recognize in its own terms and by its own methods the existence and reality of a new state of consciousness. This is the real discovery, of which the Transcendental Meditation technique itself is actually a technological application, and it is surely a development of much more far-reaching importance for scientific knowledge than all of the other great scientific advances of this century combined. It is to this point that we would like to devote the remainder of this introduction. and continues with: Implications of Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program http://www.mum.edu/RelId/651822/ISvars/default/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yog.htm http://www.mum.edu/RelId/651822/ISvars/default/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yog.htm In editors note: – ..Also since that time, modern theoretical physics has further advanced a fundamental concept that Dr. Domash discusses in this essay, namely that there is a basic state of least excitation known as the ground state, or “vacuum state,” of any field, which Dr. Domash compares with the field of pure consciousness. Modern physics has now developed completely unified field theories, mathematical descriptions of a field of unity underlying all the diversity of the universe and uniting all the fundamental force and matter fields. At the time he wrote this essay, Dr. Domash was Chancellor of Maharishi European Research University, in Switzerland, and shortly thereafter became the second president of Maharishi International University (1977–1980). Objection Your Honour. Could they not give our Superradiancer-now-Floor sweeper Lawrence Domash more credit than ground state, or “vacuum state” formulation?
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May it be allowed to question with all due respect, kowtau and hand kisses to my Lady of the Lake Jude your references. You mentioning as a source for Dr.Domash article your battleground where you fought so brave for purity and integrity...when there is the article as a whole avaible at mum. Oh my dear , let us consider with Lawrence Domash that the degree of consciousness may be related to the degree of long-range spatial and temporal comprehension and awarenessand therefore related our degree of long-range spatial and temporal comprehension and awareness to the wholeness of the article and it in devotion so brilliantly described implication. , not forgetting the context,too. The introduction Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and the Transcendental Meditation Program: A New Direction for Scientific Research continues: It would be shortsighted, however, to believe that Maharishi will be regarded in the future merely as the man who introduced to science a certain new or revived relaxation technique with a variety of measurable effects. Rather, it seems certain that he will properly come to be regarded as the man who changed the entire scope and direction of scientific research by compelling science to recognize in its own terms and by its own methods the existence and reality of a new state of consciousness. This is the real discovery, of which the Transcendental Meditation technique itself is actually a technological application, and it is surely a development of much more far-reaching importance for scientific knowledge than all of the other great scientific advances of this century combined. It is to this point that we would like to devote the remainder of this introduction. and continues with: Implications of Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program http://www.mum.edu/RelId/651822/ISvars/default/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yog.htm http://www.mum.edu/RelId/651822/ISvars/default/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yog.htm In editors note: – ..Also since that time, modern theoretical physics has further advanced a fundamental concept that Dr. Domash discusses in this essay, namely that there is a basic state of least excitation known as the ground state, or “vacuum state,” of any field, which Dr. Domash compares with the field of pure consciousness. Modern physics has now developed completely unified field theories, mathematical descriptions of a field of unity underlying all the diversity of the universe and uniting all the fundamental force and matter fields. At the time he wrote this essay, Dr. Domash was Chancellor of Maharishi European Research University, in Switzerland, and shortly thereafter became the second president of Maharishi International University (1977–1980). Objection Your Honour. Could they not give our Superradiancer-now-Floor sweeper' Lawrence Domash more credit than ground state, or “vacuum state” formulation? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Seraphita, if you're interested in what Maharishi wanted known about the origins of Transcendental Meditation (i.e., the specific technique he taught), see here (it's a 1993 post from the Usenet newsgroup alt.meditation.transcendental, now archived on Google Groups): http://tinyurl.com/34bras http://tinyurl.com/34bras The post contains the first half of the introductory essay by Larry Domash to the first volume of the Collected Papers (research studies on TM, published in 1975). The whole thing (that is, the whole first half) is of interest, but Domash gets to the nitty-gritty about the origins of TM in the paragraph beginning As an unusually talented student... if you want to skip the background. Rick Archer has said he was present when Domash read the essay to Maharishi for his approval, so we can be pretty sure it reflects the account Maharishi wanted told. (Whether it's 100 percent accurate is anyone's guess.) It doesn't exactly answer your question, but it seems clear that Maharishi didn't simply parrot the meditation instructions given by Guru Dev (or at least didn't want that to be the story). snip ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Seraphita, if you're interested in what Maharishi wanted known about the origins of Transcendental Meditation (i.e., the specific technique he taught), see here (it's a 1993 post from the Usenet newsgroup alt.meditation.transcendental, now archived on Google Groups): http://tinyurl.com/34bras http://tinyurl.com/34bras The post contains the first half of the introductory essay by Larry Domash to the first volume of the Collected Papers (research studies on TM, published in 1975). The whole thing (that is, the whole first half) is of interest, but Domash gets to the nitty-gritty about the origins of TM in the paragraph beginning As an unusually talented student... if you want to skip the background. Rick Archer has said he was present
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: It sure is looking like the authfriend is disputing the fact that Swami Karpatri was a member of the Sri Vidya sect. Now, why would she do that and mislead us about the SBS affiliations with Sri Vidya? Obviously if Swami Karpatri was a Sri Vidya he learned it from his guru SKS. Go figure. He was also the great expert of Shree Vidya and probably all the present day experts in Varanasi have somehow or the other obtained Shree vidya from him or his pupils. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri Why would MMY tell a fib about his tradition's lineage? So many questions - so few answers. The question is: why do some TMers meditate on the bija of Saraswati if MMY didn't get the bja from SBS? Would MMY just make it up or read it in a book? Is it just a coincidence that the bija of Saraswati is included in the fifteen bijas mentioned in the Sound Arya Lahari by the Adi Shankara? There is one undisputed fact: all the Saraswati dasanami's meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati at least twice a day! Is there anyone here who would dispute this? Is there actually anyone here who actually cares? On 10/7/2013 7:05 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote: Thanks for the link authfriend. I can see why MMY would approve that account! Richard's posts seem to confirm that Guru Dev most likely did have a Sri Yantra. I still think that the tale of Maharishi bumping off his master, stealing his jewelled Sri Yantra and then heading south to meet with Indian magicians who teach him how to unlock its secrets would make a great movie: Maharishi invokes asuras who promise him unlimited wealth and power - the CGI people are given free rein at this point. The asuras' acolyte (film-maker Kenneth Anger) is instructed to prepare the way amongst rock royalty like the Stones and the Beatles . . . and so it goes. Scorcese would lap this up. A while back I read Our Spiritual Heritage: An Informal History of the Masters of the Sankaracharya Tradition by Lynn Nappe (a former TM teacher) - the story of each of the masters of the Shankaracharya tradition. The entry for Guru Dev includes an overview of his meditation advice that is most certainly not TM. Lynne Nappe glosses this by saying Guru Dev's own technique was different but he wanted a simple variant suitable for the housekeeper. I guess we're all housekeepers . . . housewives or househusbands. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote: On 10/07/2013 01:02 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, where did the meditation of SBS come from? Meditation is a technique that is common all over India, especially in the sect of the Sri Vidya. In that tradition they meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati. It's the same bija mantra given out in TM initiation. It's the same technique - it's a meditation using a bija mantra of Saraswati. Let's review what we know about SBS. Rajaram Mishra, later to become Swami Bramhananda Saraswati, was born on Thursday, 21 December, 1868 in village Gana, which is close to the city of Ayodhya, in North India. Rajaram was enrolled at the Sanskrit Institute at Kashi at the age of eight and later became a student of Swami Krishnananda Saraswati of Utter Kashi. http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html Are we agreed so far? So, we can assume that the SBS learned meditation from SKS who was initiated by his guru. All the gurus in the Saraswati lineage meditate on the bija of Saraswati. Their headquarters is at Sringeri. According to the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, the meditation technique used in TM originated with the Vedic sage Naryana. It's the same meditation that is used by all the Shankaracharyas in that lineage. So, the TM bija mantras came from SBS, who was a member of the dasanami order of the Saraswati dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi Shankara. The bijas used in TM have been around for ages. And they didn't have to come from anyone. .
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Merudanda wrote: May it be allowed to question with all due respect, kowtow and hand kisses to my Lady of the Lake Jude your references. You mentioning as a source for Dr.Domash article your battleground where you fought so brave for purity and integrity...when there is the article as a whole available at mum. I have no idea what you're talking about, sorry. Oh my dear , let us consider with Lawrence Domash that the degree of consciousness may be related to the degree of long-range spatial and temporal comprehension and awarenessand therefore related our degree of long-range spatial and temporal comprehension and awareness to the wholeness of the article and it in devotion so brilliantly described implication. , not forgetting the context,too. The introductionMaharishi Mahesh Yogi and the Transcendental Meditation Program: A New Direction for Scientific Research continues with: It would be shortsighted, however, to believe that Maharishi will be regarded in the future merely as the man who introduced to science a certain new or revived relaxation technique with a variety of measurable effects. Rather, it seems certain that he will properly come to be regarded as the man who changed the entire scope and direction of scientific research by compelling science to recognize in its own terms and by its own methods the existence and reality of a new state of consciousness. This is the real discovery, of which the Transcendental Meditation technique itself is actually a technological application, and it is surely a development of much more far-reaching importance for scientific knowledge than all of the other great scientific advances of this century combined. It is to this point that we would like to devote the remainder of this introduction. and continues with: Implications of Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program http://www.mum.edu/RelId/651822/ISvars/default/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yog.htm http://www.mum.edu/RelId/651822/ISvars/default/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yog.htm In editors note: – ..Also since that time, modern theoretical physics has further advanced a fundamental concept that Dr. Domash discusses in this essay, namely that there is a basic state of least excitation known as the ground state, or “vacuum state,” of any field, which Dr. Domash compares with the field of pure consciousness. Modern physics has now developed completely unified field theories, mathematical descriptions of a field of unity underlying all the diversity of the universe and uniting all the fundamental force and matter fields. At the time he wrote this essay, Dr. Domash was Chancellor of Maharishi European Research University, in Switzerland, and shortly thereafter became the second president of Maharishi International University (1977–1980). Objection Your Honour. Could they not give our Superradiancer-now-Floor sweeper Lawrence Domash more credit than ground state, or “vacuum state” formulation?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: what about it was revolutionary? He wasn't the only Indian guru who came to the states and europe to promote his schtick you know. It was revolutionary in that he found a way to present a technique of meditation designed for beginners, as a mere starting point from which to explore more interesting techniques, as the end point of meditation itself. In other words, he presented a kindergarten level of meditation as the best, most effective form of meditation on the planet, and convinced millions of people it was true. I'd call the chutzpah of that pretty revolutionary, wouldn't you? :-) Some people here keep harping on the fact that TM was so elementary, kindergarten as you put it. Let's face it, how complicated can sitting down and meditating be - in any spiritual practice? I mean you put your butt on a flat surface and close your eyes. We're not talking splitting the atom with a razor blade blindfolded or running a marathon backwards. Now, granted, 20 mins. twice a day is pretty easy to stomach and certainly doesn't compare to the lifelong and continuous hours that many holy or spiritually-driven people devote themselves to year after year until they die (presumably of boredom). But the practice of TM itself is hardly kindergarten.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: It sure is looking like the authfriend is disputing the fact that Swami Karpatri was a member of the Sri Vidya sect. Now, why would she do that and mislead us about the SBS affiliations with Sri Vidya? Obviously if Swami Karpatri was a Sri Vidya he learned it from his guru SKS. Go figure. He was also the great expert of Shree Vidya and probably all the present day experts in Varanasi have somehow or the other obtained Shree vidya from him or his pupils. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri Why would MMY tell a fib about his tradition's lineage? So many questions - so few answers. The question is: why do some TMers meditate on the bija of Saraswati if MMY didn't get the bja from SBS? Would MMY just make it up or read it in a book? Is it just a coincidence that the bija of Saraswati is included in the fifteen bijas mentioned in the Sound Arya Lahari by the Adi Shankara? There is one undisputed fact: all the Saraswati dasanami's meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati at least twice a day! Is there anyone here who would dispute this? Is there actually anyone here who actually cares? Actually, actually? On 10/7/2013 7:05 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote: Thanks for the link authfriend. I can see why MMY would approve that account! Richard's posts seem to confirm that Guru Dev most likely did have a Sri Yantra. I still think that the tale of Maharishi bumping off his master, stealing his jewelled Sri Yantra and then heading south to meet with Indian magicians who teach him how to unlock its secrets would make a great movie: Maharishi invokes asuras who promise him unlimited wealth and power - the CGI people are given free rein at this point. The asuras' acolyte (film-maker Kenneth Anger) is instructed to prepare the way amongst rock royalty like the Stones and the Beatles . . . and so it goes. Scorcese would lap this up. A while back I read Our Spiritual Heritage: An Informal History of the Masters of the Sankaracharya Tradition by Lynn Nappe (a former TM teacher) - the story of each of the masters of the Shankaracharya tradition. The entry for Guru Dev includes an overview of his meditation advice that is most certainly not TM. Lynne Nappe glosses this by saying Guru Dev's own technique was different but he wanted a simple variant suitable for the housekeeper. I guess we're all housekeepers . . . housewives or househusbands. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote: On 10/07/2013 01:02 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, where did the meditation of SBS come from? Meditation is a technique that is common all over India, especially in the sect of the Sri Vidya. In that tradition they meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati. It's the same bija mantra given out in TM initiation. It's the same technique - it's a meditation using a bija mantra of Saraswati. Let's review what we know about SBS. Rajaram Mishra, later to become Swami Bramhananda Saraswati, was born on Thursday, 21 December, 1868 in village Gana, which is close to the city of Ayodhya, in North India. Rajaram was enrolled at the Sanskrit Institute at Kashi at the age of eight and later became a student of Swami Krishnananda Saraswati of Utter Kashi. http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html Are we agreed so far? So, we can assume that the SBS learned meditation from SKS who was initiated by his guru. All the gurus in the Saraswati lineage meditate on the bija of Saraswati. Their headquarters is at Sringeri. According to the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, the meditation technique used in TM originated with the Vedic sage Naryana. It's the same meditation that is used by all the Shankaracharyas in that lineage. So, the TM bija mantras came from SBS, who was a member of the dasanami order of the Saraswati dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi Shankara. The bijas used in TM have been around for ages. And they didn't have to come from anyone. .
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Well, Kindergarten isn't such a bad thing, when it comes to meditation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: what about it was revolutionary? He wasn't the only Indian guru who came to the states and europe to promote his schtick you know. It was revolutionary in that he found a way to present a technique of meditation designed for beginners, as a mere starting point from which to explore more interesting techniques, as the end point of meditation itself. In other words, he presented a kindergarten level of meditation as the best, most effective form of meditation on the planet, and convinced millions of people it was true. I'd call the chutzpah of that pretty revolutionary, wouldn't you? :-) Some people here keep harping on the fact that TM was so elementary, kindergarten as you put it. Let's face it, how complicated can sitting down and meditating be - in any spiritual practice? I mean you put your butt on a flat surface and close your eyes. We're not talking splitting the atom with a razor blade blindfolded or running a marathon backwards. Now, granted, 20 mins. twice a day is pretty easy to stomach and certainly doesn't compare to the lifelong and continuous hours that many holy or spiritually-driven people devote themselves to year after year until they die (presumably of boredom). But the practice of TM itself is hardly kindergarten.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Amma will be knifed by a former follower??
Carde, Can you post Amma's birth data? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On a Finnish astrology forum, Yep claimed Amma having said years ago that she (Amma) shall die knifed by a former follower...
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: MMY and Siddha Tradtions
Ann: Is there actually anyone here who actually cares? It only took about one day for this thread to go down the tube. Go figure. On 10/8/2013 8:46 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: It sure is looking like the authfriend is disputing the fact that Swami Karpatri was a member of the Sri Vidya sect. Now, why would she do that and mislead us about the SBS affiliations with Sri Vidya? Obviously if Swami Karpatri was a Sri Vidya he learned it from his guru SKS. Go figure. He was also the great expert of Shree Vidya and probably all the present day experts in Varanasi have somehow or the other obtained Shree vidya from him or his pupils. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri Why would MMY tell a fib about his tradition's lineage? So many questions - so few answers. The question is: why do some TMers meditate on the bija of Saraswati if MMY didn't get the bja from SBS? Would MMY just make it up or read it in a book? Is it just a coincidence that the bija of Saraswati is included in the fifteen bijas mentioned in the Sound Arya Lahari by the Adi Shankara? There is one undisputed fact: all the Saraswati dasanami's meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati at least twice a day! Is there anyone here who would dispute this? Is there actually anyone here who actually cares? Actually, actually? On 10/7/2013 7:05 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote: Thanks for the link authfriend. I can see why MMY would approve that account! Richard's posts seem to confirm that Guru Dev most likely did have a Sri Yantra. I still think that the tale of Maharishi bumping off his master, stealing his jewelled Sri Yantra and then heading south to meet with Indian magicians who teach him how to unlock its secrets would make a great movie: Maharishi invokes asuras who promise him unlimited wealth and power - the CGI people are given free rein at this point. The asuras' acolyte (film-maker Kenneth Anger) is instructed to prepare the way amongst rock royalty like the Stones and the Beatles . . . and so it goes. Scorcese would lap this up. A while back I read Our Spiritual Heritage: An Informal History of the Masters of the Sankaracharya Tradition by Lynn Nappe (a former TM teacher) - the story of each of the masters of the Shankaracharya tradition. The entry for Guru Dev includes an overview of his meditation advice that is most certainlynot TM. Lynne Nappe glosses this by saying Guru Dev's own technique was different but he wanted a simple variant suitable for the housekeeper. I guess we're all housekeepers . . . housewives or househusbands. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote: On 10/07/2013 01:02 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, where did the meditation of SBS come from? Meditation is a technique that is common all over India, especially in the sect of the Sri Vidya. In that tradition they meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati. It's the same bija mantra given out in TM initiation. It's the same technique - it's a meditation using a bija mantra of Saraswati. Let's review what we know about SBS. Rajaram Mishra, later to become Swami Bramhananda Saraswati, was born on Thursday, 21 December, 1868 in village Gana, which is close to the city of Ayodhya, in North India. Rajaram was enrolled at the Sanskrit Institute at Kashi at the age of eight and later became a student of Swami Krishnananda Saraswati of Utter Kashi. http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html Are we agreed so far? So, we can assume that the SBS learned meditation from SKS who was initiated by his guru. All the gurus in the Saraswati lineage meditate on the bija of Saraswati. Their headquarters is at Sringeri. According to the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, the meditation technique used in TM originated with the Vedic sage Naryana. It's the same meditation that is used by all the Shankaracharyas in that lineage. So, the TM bija mantras came from SBS, who was a member of the dasanami order of the Saraswati dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi Shankara. The bijas used in TM have been around for ages. And they didn't have to come from anyone. .
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: MMY and Siddha Tradtions
It kind of looked like you were disputing what I posted quoting the Wikipedia entry for Swami Karpatri. So, why didn't you tell us about Swami Karpatri being in the Sri Vidya sect? It looks like a fib by admission to me. Go figure. And, um, I wouldn't take Richard's posts to confirm /anything/. On 10/8/2013 8:07 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Shut up, Richard. I'm not disputing anything. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: It sure is looking like the authfriend is disputing the fact that Swami Karpatri was a member of the Sri Vidya sect. Now, why would she do that and mislead us about the SBS affiliations with Sri Vidya? Obviously if Swami Karpatri was a Sri Vidya he learned it from his guru SKS. Go figure. He was also the great expert of Shree Vidya and probably all the present day experts in Varanasi have somehow or the other obtained Shree vidya from him or his pupils. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri Why would MMY tell a fib about his tradition's lineage? So many questions - so few answers. The question is: why do some TMers meditate on the bija of Saraswati if MMY didn't get the bja from SBS? Would MMY just make it up or read it in a book? Is it just a coincidence that the bija of Saraswati is included in the fifteen bijas mentioned in the Sound Arya Lahari by the Adi Shankara? There is one undisputed fact: all the Saraswati dasanami's meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati at least twice a day! Is there anyone here who would dispute this? On 10/7/2013 7:05 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote: Thanks for the link authfriend. I can see why MMY would approve that account! Richard's posts seem to confirm that Guru Dev most likely did have a Sri Yantra. I still think that the tale of Maharishi bumping off his master, stealing his jewelled Sri Yantra and then heading south to meet with Indian magicians who teach him how to unlock its secrets would make a great movie: Maharishi invokes asuras who promise him unlimited wealth and power - the CGI people are given free rein at this point. The asuras' acolyte (film-maker Kenneth Anger) is instructed to prepare the way amongst rock royalty like the Stones and the Beatles . . . and so it goes. Scorcese would lap this up. A while back I read Our Spiritual Heritage: An Informal History of the Masters of the Sankaracharya Tradition by Lynn Nappe (a former TM teacher) - the story of each of the masters of the Shankaracharya tradition. The entry for Guru Dev includes an overview of his meditation advice that is most certainlynot TM. Lynne Nappe glosses this by saying Guru Dev's own technique was different but he wanted a simple variant suitable for the housekeeper. I guess we're all housekeepers . . . housewives or househusbands. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote: On 10/07/2013 01:02 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, where did the meditation of SBS come from? Meditation is a technique that is common all over India, especially in the sect of the Sri Vidya. In that tradition they meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati. It's the same bija mantra given out in TM initiation. It's the same technique - it's a meditation using a bija mantra of Saraswati. Let's review what we know about SBS. Rajaram Mishra, later to become Swami Bramhananda Saraswati, was born on Thursday, 21 December, 1868 in village Gana, which is close to the city of Ayodhya, in North India. Rajaram was enrolled at the Sanskrit Institute at Kashi at the age of eight and later became a student of Swami Krishnananda Saraswati of Utter Kashi. http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html Are we agreed so far? So, we can assume that the SBS learned meditation from SKS who was initiated by his guru. All the gurus in the Saraswati lineage meditate on the bija of Saraswati. Their headquarters is at Sringeri. According to the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, the meditation technique used in TM originated with the Vedic sage Naryana. It's the same meditation that is used by all the Shankaracharyas in that lineage. So, the TM bija mantras came from SBS, who was a member of the dasanami order of the Saraswati dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi Shankara. The bijas used in TM have been around for ages. And they didn't have to come from anyone. .
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: MMY and Siddha Tradtions
Maybe we should examine what Sri Vidya is: 'Knowledge that is structured in consciousness'. Does that ring a bell with anyone out there? Go figure. On 10/8/2013 8:19 AM, iranitea wrote: TurquoiseB: I'd call the chutzpah of that pretty revolutionary, wouldn't you? It actually IS, and I do mean this in a rather positive way. The real innovation in TM is the packaging. It's in the language. None of the essential elements that constitute TM as a technique is new at all: the mantras are the well known Tantric mantras as used in the Shri Vidya for example. The element of effortlessness and spontaneity is there in a number of other meditation techniques as well, otherwise, where does the term Sahaja come from? But mostly those other traditions, who emphasize this spontaneity and effortlessness, rely on some kind of transmission like in Dzogchen or on shaktipath. The idea to go with the mind rather than against it, is essentially present in all tantric teachings. The idea of momentary transcendence is there in Kashmere Shaivism as the teaching of turya between two thoughts. What is innovative, is the packaging of it AS a singular meditation technique, stripped from religious language and connotations. Substituting religious language with more western scientific - (pseudo)- jargon. The language of a rediscovered lost ancient technique that is unique and effective for the householder is instead not innovative but typical sales pitch. Because 'effective for the householder' is true for all tantric teachings. What is innovative is, that Maharishi came from a monastic orthodox tradition, and utilized it's tantric elements to open it up to something entirely different. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: what about it was revolutionary? He wasn't the only Indian guru who came to the states and europe to promote his schtick you know. It was revolutionary in that he found a way to present a technique of meditation designed for beginners, as a mere starting point from which to explore more interesting techniques, as the end point of meditation itself. In other words, he presented a kindergarten level of meditation as the best, most effective form of meditation on the planet, and convinced millions of people it was true. I'd call the chutzpah of that pretty revolutionary, wouldn't you? :-)
[FairfieldLife] The power nap: an alternative to TM?
A power nap is a short sleep which terminates before the occurrence of deep sleep or slow-wave sleep, intended to quickly revitalize the subject. Various durations are recommended for power naps, which are very short compared to regular sleep. The short duration of a power nap is designed to prevent nappers from sleeping so long that they enter a normal sleep cycle without being able to complete it. Going beyond sleep stages I and II but failing to complete a full sleep cycle, can result in a phenomenon known as sleep inertia, where one feels groggy, disoriented, and even more sleepy than before beginning the nap. Brief naps (10–15 minutes) can improve alertness directly after awakening. Scientific experiments and anecdotal evidence suggest that an average power nap duration of around 30 minutes is most effective. Any more time, and the body enters into its usual sleep cycle. People who regularly take power naps may develop a good idea of what duration works best for them, as well as what tools, environment, position, and associated factors help induce the best results. Mitsuo Hayashi and Tadao Hori have demonstrated that a nap improves mental performance even after a full night's sleep. Power naps of less than 30 minutes—even those as brief as 6 and 10 minutes—restore wakefulness and promote performance and learning. (Copied from Wiki)
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?
Thank you for that additional information, Share. I have always loved formulas, or relationships expressed mathematically. They serve as an awesome foundation for further questions. I'll have to look for what you mentioned, in Maharishi's translation of the BG. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Doc, I think it's very cool how you've applied this to technology and possible futures. And it's fascinating in comparison to Maharishi's 1971 audio tape Overcoming Problems in which he explains that the 15 fundamental problems of life found in Chapter 2 of the Gita can be generated by combining the 3 gunas with the 5 mahabhutas. He actually begins to list them on the tape: a sattvic problem in prithivi; a sattvic problem in jala; a sattvic problem in tejas. Since prithivi or earth would be considered tamasic, it's interesting that in this context he does combine sattwa and tamas. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 5:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future? Yes, and also remember in the Gita, that there are just four valid combinations, of the three gunas (sattva, rajas, and tamas), out of a possible six. From the bottom: TR, RT, RS, and SR, with TS and ST not possible. So, given that the current trend (last 3,000 years, or so) seems to be technical advancement, as a result of war - the TR, and RT combos, there must also be a way to advance technically, without war, hence the RS, and SR combinations. That means, theoretically, anyway, killing, even expressed as The Song Of God, is not always physically necessary. Tamas, in the RT and TR combinations, is like water on the gears of manifestation, Rajas, and begins to slow momentum quickly, through rust. Sattva, in the RS and SR combinations, is like oil. It lowers friction, and speeds progress. In terms of here, that means that if human consciousness can be shifted from a Tamasic motive force, to a Sattvic one, we can continue to progress, with our modern conveniences, and technical advances, without quickly, or slowly, blowing ourselves up. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Pretty much guaranteed with that kind of mindset. Share wrote: And Doc, let us not forget that the Gita occurs on a battlefield with Lord Krishna exhorting Arjuna not only to fight, but to kill! Convinces me even further that this planet is designed for mixing light and dark.
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Amma will be knifed by a former follower??
Sorry, that thread about Amma was not astrology related... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Carde, Can you post Amma's birth data? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On a Finnish astrology forum, Yep claimed Amma having said years ago that she (Amma) shall die knifed by a former follower...
Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
Doc, in Chap 4, vs 35 of the Gita, Maharishi explains that there is delusion in the state of tamas which is overcome by increasing rajas; delusion in the state of rajas is overcome by an increase of sattwa; but delusion in the state of sattwa, which is Arjuna's situation, can only be overcome by transcending the field of the 3 gunas. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:12 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future? Thank you for that additional information, Share. I have always loved formulas, or relationships expressed mathematically. They serve as an awesome foundation for further questions. I'll have to look for what you mentioned, in Maharishi's translation of the BG. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Doc, I think it's very cool how you've applied this to technology and possible futures. And it's fascinating in comparison to Maharishi's 1971 audio tape Overcoming Problems in which he explains that the 15 fundamental problems of life found in Chapter 2 of the Gita can be generated by combining the 3 gunas with the 5 mahabhutas. He actually begins to list them on the tape: a sattvic problem in prithivi; a sattvic problem in jala; a sattvic problem in tejas. Since prithivi or earth would be considered tamasic, it's interesting that in this context he does combine sattwa and tamas. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 5:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future? Yes, and also remember in the Gita, that there are just four valid combinations, of the three gunas (sattva, rajas, and tamas), out of a possible six. From the bottom: TR, RT, RS, and SR, with TS and ST not possible. So, given that the current trend (last 3,000 years, or so) seems to be technical advancement, as a result of war - the TR, and RT combos, there must also be a way to advance technically, without war, hence the RS, and SR combinations. That means, theoretically, anyway, killing, even expressed as The Song Of God, is not always physically necessary. Tamas, in the RT and TR combinations, is like water on the gears of manifestation, Rajas, and begins to slow momentum quickly, through rust. Sattva, in the RS and SR combinations, is like oil. It lowers friction, and speeds progress. In terms of here, that means that if human consciousness can be shifted from a Tamasic motive force, to a Sattvic one, we can continue to progress, with our modern conveniences, and technical advances, without quickly, or slowly, blowing ourselves up. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Pretty much guaranteed with that kind of mindset. Share wrote: And Doc, let us not forget that the Gita occurs on a battlefield with Lord Krishna exhorting Arjuna not only to fight, but to kill! Convinces me even further that this planet is designed for mixing light and dark.
[FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM?
Us Americans have already chemicalized our power naps. Here we call them, Starbucks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: A power nap is a short sleep which terminates before the occurrence of deep sleep or slow-wave sleep, intended to quickly revitalize the subject. Various durations are recommended for power naps, which are very short compared to regular sleep. The short duration of a power nap is designed to prevent nappers from sleeping so long that they enter a normal sleep cycle without being able to complete it. Going beyond sleep stages I and II but failing to complete a full sleep cycle, can result in a phenomenon known as sleep inertia, where one feels groggy, disoriented, and even more sleepy than before beginning the nap. Brief naps (10–15 minutes) can improve alertness directly after awakening. Scientific experiments and anecdotal evidence suggest that an average power nap duration of around 30 minutes is most effective. Any more time, and the body enters into its usual sleep cycle. People who regularly take power naps may develop a good idea of what duration works best for them, as well as what tools, environment, position, and associated factors help induce the best results. Mitsuo Hayashi and Tadao Hori have demonstrated that a nap improves mental performance even after a full night's sleep. Power naps of less than 30 minutes—even those as brief as 6 and 10 minutes—restore wakefulness and promote performance and learning. (Copied from Wiki)
Re: [FairfieldLife] The power nap: an alternative to TM?
Seraphita, I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed, though that is a good thing too. And I mean whole brain enlivening and coherence as indicated by an fMRI or EEG not just subjective report. From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The power nap: an alternative to TM? A power nap is a short sleep which terminates before the occurrence of deep sleep or slow-wave sleep, intended to quickly revitalize the subject. Various durations are recommended for power naps, which are very short compared to regular sleep. The short duration of a power nap is designed to prevent nappers from sleeping so long that they enter a normal sleep cycle without being able to complete it. Going beyond sleep stages I and II but failing to complete a full sleep cycle, can result in a phenomenon known as sleep inertia, where one feels groggy, disoriented, and even more sleepy than before beginning the nap. Brief naps (10–15 minutes) can improve alertness directly after awakening. Scientific experiments and anecdotal evidence suggest that an average power nap duration of around 30 minutes is most effective. Any more time, and the body enters into its usual sleep cycle. People who regularly take power naps may develop a good idea of what duration works best for them, as well as what tools, environment, position, and associated factors help induce the best results. Mitsuo Hayashi and Tadao Hori have demonstrated that a nap improves mental performance even after a full night's sleep. Power naps of less than 30 minutes—even those as brief as 6 and 10 minutes—restore wakefulness and promote performance and learning. (Copied from Wiki)
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: MMY and Siddha Tradtions
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Ann: Is there actually anyone here who actually cares? It only took about one day for this thread to go down the tube. Go figure. What is that tube: the sewer tube, the calamari tube, the tube-a, the tuberus root? Whatever it is, it seems like it's part of your destiny, Richard. Embrace it. On 10/8/2013 8:46 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: It sure is looking like the authfriend is disputing the fact that Swami Karpatri was a member of the Sri Vidya sect. Now, why would she do that and mislead us about the SBS affiliations with Sri Vidya? Obviously if Swami Karpatri was a Sri Vidya he learned it from his guru SKS. Go figure. He was also the great expert of Shree Vidya and probably all the present day experts in Varanasi have somehow or the other obtained Shree vidya from him or his pupils. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri Why would MMY tell a fib about his tradition's lineage? So many questions - so few answers. The question is: why do some TMers meditate on the bija of Saraswati if MMY didn't get the bja from SBS? Would MMY just make it up or read it in a book? Is it just a coincidence that the bija of Saraswati is included in the fifteen bijas mentioned in the Sound Arya Lahari by the Adi Shankara? There is one undisputed fact: all the Saraswati dasanami's meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati at least twice a day! Is there anyone here who would dispute this? Is there actually anyone here who actually cares? Actually, actually? On 10/7/2013 7:05 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote: Thanks for the link authfriend. I can see why MMY would approve that account! Richard's posts seem to confirm that Guru Dev most likely did have a Sri Yantra. I still think that the tale of Maharishi bumping off his master, stealing his jewelled Sri Yantra and then heading south to meet with Indian magicians who teach him how to unlock its secrets would make a great movie: Maharishi invokes asuras who promise him unlimited wealth and power - the CGI people are given free rein at this point. The asuras' acolyte (film-maker Kenneth Anger) is instructed to prepare the way amongst rock royalty like the Stones and the Beatles . . . and so it goes. Scorcese would lap this up. A while back I read Our Spiritual Heritage: An Informal History of the Masters of the Sankaracharya Tradition by Lynn Nappe (a former TM teacher) - the story of each of the masters of the Shankaracharya tradition. The entry for Guru Dev includes an overview of his meditation advice that is most certainly not TM. Lynne Nappe glosses this by saying Guru Dev's own technique was different but he wanted a simple variant suitable for the housekeeper. I guess we're all housekeepers . . . housewives or househusbands. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote: On 10/07/2013 01:02 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, where did the meditation of SBS come from? Meditation is a technique that is common all over India, especially in the sect of the Sri Vidya. In that tradition they meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati. It's the same bija mantra given out in TM initiation. It's the same technique - it's a meditation using a bija mantra of Saraswati. Let's review what we know about SBS. Rajaram Mishra, later to become Swami Bramhananda Saraswati, was born on Thursday, 21 December, 1868 in village Gana, which is close to the city of Ayodhya, in North India. Rajaram was enrolled at the Sanskrit Institute at Kashi at the age of eight and later became a student of Swami Krishnananda Saraswati of Utter Kashi. http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html Are we agreed so far? So, we can assume that the SBS learned meditation from SKS who was initiated by his guru. All the gurus in the Saraswati lineage meditate on the bija of Saraswati. Their headquarters is at Sringeri. According to the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, the meditation technique used in TM originated with the Vedic sage Naryana. It's the same meditation that is used by all the Shankaracharyas in that lineage. So, the TM bija mantras came from SBS, who was a member of the dasanami order of the Saraswati dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi Shankara. The bijas used in TM have been around for ages. And they didn't have to come from anyone.
[FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM?
Re I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed.: Yes indeed. How do you find time to fit in two meditation sessions a day AND power naps? (And are you also yoga-stretching, pranayama-ing and butt-bouncing ever day?) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Seraphita, I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed, though that is a good thing too. And I mean whole brain enlivening and coherence as indicated by an fMRI or EEG not just subjective report. From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The power nap: an alternative to TM? A power nap is a short sleep which terminates before the occurrence of deep sleep or slow-wave sleep, intended to quickly revitalize the subject. Various durations are recommended for power naps, which are very short compared to regular sleep. The short duration of a power nap is designed to prevent nappers from sleeping so long that they enter a normal sleep cycle without being able to complete it. Going beyond sleep stages I and II but failing to complete a full sleep cycle, can result in a phenomenon known as sleep inertia, where one feels groggy, disoriented, and even more sleepy than before beginning the nap. Brief naps (10–15 minutes) can improve alertness directly after awakening. Scientific experiments and anecdotal evidence suggest that an average power nap duration of around 30 minutes is most effective. Any more time, and the body enters into its usual sleep cycle. People who regularly take power naps may develop a good idea of what duration works best for them, as well as what tools, environment, position, and associated factors help induce the best results. Mitsuo Hayashi and Tadao Hori have demonstrated that a nap improves mental performance even after a full night's sleep. Power naps of less than 30 minutes—even those as brief as 6 and 10 minutes—restore wakefulness and promote performance and learning. (Copied from Wiki)
Re: [FairfieldLife] They want your attention because they feed off of you
So, why are you trying to get my attention? Why are you always feeding off me and stalking me around the internet? I already paid you the $100 for the Rama seminar - what else do you want? What happened to all the money? Go figure. On 10/8/2013 12:14 AM, turquoiseb wrote: This subject line is a test, written after reading the article at the link below. Despite what some here might have thought when they clicked on it, neither the article nor the subject line is a reference to Fairfield Life or the characters who populate it and often vie for your attention. But both could be. The subject line is a very literal description of the Internet and how it works. And the article is about attention, period, how we live in a world that is nickle-and-dimeing us to death by stealing tiny slices of our attention, and what the cumulative cost of pissing away all that attention might be. It's also a little about people's goals when they desire to attract the attention of others, and about goals, period. I loved the G.K. Chesterton story from /Tremendous Trifles /about the two kids; it finally made me understand why TMers want to fly. Anyway, enjoy: http://www.aeonmagazine.com/world-views/does-each-click-of-attention-cost-a-bit-of-ourselves/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Amma will be knifed by a former follower??
The assassination of Indira Gandhi in 1984 and of her son Rajiv in 1991 is said to have been foreseen by astrologers all over India. Almost all agreed that Mrs. Gandhi should have taken better care of herself that November! Some would-be assassins might have been prompted by these predictions, and subsequent to Mrs. Gandhi's death, a law was passed in India making it a crime to predict any more assassinations. The act states that action will be taken against anyone who 'predicts, prophesies, or pronounces or otherwise expresses in such a manner as to incite, advise, suggest, or prompt the killing or the destruction of any person bound by oath under the constitution'. The idea being that if any potential assassin read the prediction, he would be more likely to carry it out. On 10/8/2013 3:27 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com wrote: On a Finnish astrology forum, Yep claimed Amma having said years ago that she (Amma) shall die knifed by a former follower...
RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?
Right, that is the clarity needed to see the combinations of the gunas, in activity. The underlying mechanics. Collectively, we've added a lot of rajas, and now sattva. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Doc, in Chap 4, vs 35 of the Gita, Maharishi explains that there is delusion in the state of tamas which is overcome by increasing rajas; delusion in the state of rajas is overcome by an increase of sattwa; but delusion in the state of sattwa, which is Arjuna's situation, can only be overcome by transcending the field of the 3 gunas. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:12 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future? Thank you for that additional information, Share. I have always loved formulas, or relationships expressed mathematically. They serve as an awesome foundation for further questions. I'll have to look for what you mentioned, in Maharishi's translation of the BG. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Doc, I think it's very cool how you've applied this to technology and possible futures. And it's fascinating in comparison to Maharishi's 1971 audio tape Overcoming Problems in which he explains that the 15 fundamental problems of life found in Chapter 2 of the Gita can be generated by combining the 3 gunas with the 5 mahabhutas. He actually begins to list them on the tape: a sattvic problem in prithivi; a sattvic problem in jala; a sattvic problem in tejas. Since prithivi or earth would be considered tamasic, it's interesting that in this context he does combine sattwa and tamas. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 5:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future? Yes, and also remember in the Gita, that there are just four valid combinations, of the three gunas (sattva, rajas, and tamas), out of a possible six. From the bottom: TR, RT, RS, and SR, with TS and ST not possible. So, given that the current trend (last 3,000 years, or so) seems to be technical advancement, as a result of war - the TR, and RT combos, there must also be a way to advance technically, without war, hence the RS, and SR combinations. That means, theoretically, anyway, killing, even expressed as The Song Of God, is not always physically necessary. Tamas, in the RT and TR combinations, is like water on the gears of manifestation, Rajas, and begins to slow momentum quickly, through rust. Sattva, in the RS and SR combinations, is like oil. It lowers friction, and speeds progress. In terms of here, that means that if human consciousness can be shifted from a Tamasic motive force, to a Sattvic one, we can continue to progress, with our modern conveniences, and technical advances, without quickly, or slowly, blowing ourselves up. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Pretty much guaranteed with that kind of mindset. Share wrote: And Doc, let us not forget that the Gita occurs on a battlefield with Lord Krishna exhorting Arjuna not only to fight, but to kill! Convinces me even further that this planet is designed for mixing light and dark.
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: MMY and Siddha Tradtions
Barry, seems to think that running half a mile, and quitting, is the same as completing the Marathon. I hope he doesn't apply the same principle when having sex: Girlfriend #43: You mean THAT'S IT?!?! Done, already?...sure, call me tomorrow..., as she rolls her eyes, and switches off her phone. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: what about it was revolutionary? He wasn't the only Indian guru who came to the states and europe to promote his schtick you know. It was revolutionary in that he found a way to present a technique of meditation designed for beginners, as a mere starting point from which to explore more interesting techniques, as the end point of meditation itself. In other words, he presented a kindergarten level of meditation as the best, most effective form of meditation on the planet, and convinced millions of people it was true. I'd call the chutzpah of that pretty revolutionary, wouldn't you? :-) Some people here keep harping on the fact that TM was so elementary, kindergarten as you put it. Let's face it, how complicated can sitting down and meditating be - in any spiritual practice? I mean you put your butt on a flat surface and close your eyes. We're not talking splitting the atom with a razor blade blindfolded or running a marathon backwards. Now, granted, 20 mins. twice a day is pretty easy to stomach and certainly doesn't compare to the lifelong and continuous hours that many holy or spiritually-driven people devote themselves to year after year until they die (presumably of boredom). But the practice of TM itself is hardly kindergarten.
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: MMY and Siddha Tradtions
Oh, I think I get it now. That's a pretty fucked-up comment, merudanda. Have you joined the Troll Patrol? Merudanda wrote: May it be allowed to question with all due respect, kowtow and hand kisses to my Lady of the Lake Jude your references. You mentioning as a source for Dr.Domash article your battleground where you fought so brave for purity and integrity...when there is the article as a whole available at mum. I have no idea what you're talking about, sorry.
[FairfieldLife] RE: MMY and Siddha Tradtions
When I mentioned the TV series Jerry Hall's Gurus I hadn't realised it had already been broadcast - way back in 2003. The fact that it's not available on DVD and no one has posted it onto YouTube suggests you're probably right: it's dire. For a taster there's a short (12 minute) clip here showing Jerry meeting the leader of Bikram's Yoga College of India in LA. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00qh3j7 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00qh3j7 I was hoping to find Jerry's encounter with Nancy Cooke de Herrera. But I did see this YouTube clip with Nancy talking about the Beatles in India. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrAttF1lgBM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrAttF1lgBM ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: Jerry may not have wanted to make a travel programme but in many ways that seems to be just what the BBC wanted of her. And why not, you could ask: she's got looks, presence, a surprisingly sharp and unbubbly sense of humour, and looks like she's enjoying herself. Many viewers will want to be her as she suffers spas and facials and five-star foreign hotels and interviews people such as, er, Mick Jagger. But a deep and questing search for spiritual enlightenment it is not - not unless your chosen way of reaching a higher plane is through gritted teeth. The first programme spends time simply rehashing the old story of alleged 'improprieties' perpetrated against Mia Farrow by the mendacious old Maharishi, a man who told reporters back in 1968 that his brand of spiritual peace 'could only truly be appreciated by men of the world with rewarding activities and high income' and thus famously, and quite accountably, wooed the Beatles successfully. Jerry, for all the canny-eyed wit she honestly seems to sport in real life, somehow finds herself on screen spouting insights such as: 'I think this river has something very magical about it. Something very spiritual.' The river is the Ganges. 'So much energy and prayer been done here. Like when you go to a temple, you feel that, so much spiritual energy in the place.' She doesn't actually go in because there's too much pollution. http://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2003/nov/09/features.review27 http://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2003/nov/09/features.review27 From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 9:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: MMY and Siddha Tradtions Check this out FFLers! A forthcoming BBC documentary: Jerry Hall’s Gurus (working title) Jerry Hall – actress, super-model and one-time wife of Mick Jagger – presents a three-part series looking at the world of gurus and the celebrities who listen to their messages. Jerry travels the world, making an offering on the banks of the River Ganges and visiting the ashram of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in Rishikesh where The Beatles first went in 1968. In Los Angeles she meets Nancy Cooke de Herrera, who looked after The Beatles when they were with the Maharishi in the 1960s. Now a transcendental meditation guru herself, Nancy’s followers have included Madonna, David Lynch and Sheryl Crow. Jerry catches up with Hollywood actress and old friend Anjelica Huston, and she visits Deepak Chopra, the guru who profoundly influenced her and her twin sister when Terry was diagnosed with breast cancer five years ago. Interspersed with revealing footage of her day-to-day life as actress, model and mother, Jerry Hall’s Gurus (w/t) sees Jerry visit Los Angeles and India as well as at home in London, where she explores the wildly popular trends of Kabbalah, Agapae and yoga. But it is in the Ojai Valley, a mystical haven in California, that Jerry undergoes a Trager session which helps her face up to her past experiences and completes her spiritual odyssey. Starting to drool yet? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: Poor Richard. He works so hard. Indian film director Mira Nair (whose titles include the enjoyable Kama Sutra: A Tale of Love and Vanity Fair, with Reese Witherspoon) began work on a documentary film about the Beatles' 1968 visit to India. I hope she completes the project as it's a shoo-in to be an entertaining nostalgia trip. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Yes, householder. That's anyone with worldly responsibilities (male or female, head of the household or sweeper of the floor), as opposed to a monk, a recluse who has renounced the world. The Domash essay touches on that distinction, an important one in TM lore. As to whether Guru Dev wanted a simple variant of what he himself taught, I don't think we know that. There are all kinds of stories floating around the movement (and among critics of the movement), and most of them are probably bogus. I do think it's clear that Guru Dev didn't teach TM-as-taught-by-Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi. What isn't clear, at
[FairfieldLife] FFL Messages on holding pattern?
I just posted two messages onto this site and the one I sent last appeared first on the webpage. I presume that's because the later-arriving post was aimed at a thread that was trending so you have to wait five minutes or so before your turn crops up. I assume there isn't actually a human being sitting in front of a screen somewhere in Fairfield, Iowa, who is actually vetting all our messages before releasing them . . .
[FairfieldLife] Before there was the Internet...
...there was this other thing that brought knowledge to your doorstep, allowed you to browse it and choose what to read and what not to, and thus broaden your view of the world. http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/08/to-the-bookmobile-the-library-o\ n-wheels-of-yesteryear/ http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/08/to-the-bookmobile-the-library-\ on-wheels-of-yesteryear/
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM?
Uh oh, now I'm in trouble! Seraphita, I'm retired and I live in a small rural town. So I have time for all this. My power naps are like 10 minutes and only if I've had insomnia the night before, so not every day. My asanas don't take very long, nor does my pranayama. I prefer activity to sitting so my whole TMSP is about the minimum. But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years! Spiritual warriors IMHO! From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? Re I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed.: Yes indeed. How do you find time to fit in two meditation sessions a day AND power naps? (And are you also yoga-stretching, pranayama-ing and butt-bouncing ever day?) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Seraphita, I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed, though that is a good thing too. And I mean whole brain enlivening and coherence as indicated by an fMRI or EEG not just subjective report. From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The power nap: an alternative to TM? A power nap is a short sleep which terminates before the occurrence of deep sleep or slow-wave sleep, intended to quickly revitalize the subject. Various durations are recommended for power naps, which are very short compared to regular sleep. The short duration of a power nap is designed to prevent nappers from sleeping so long that they enter a normal sleep cycle without being able to complete it. Going beyond sleep stages I and II but failing to complete a full sleep cycle, can result in a phenomenon known as sleep inertia, where one feels groggy, disoriented, and even more sleepy than before beginning the nap. Brief naps (10–15 minutes) can improve alertness directly after awakening. Scientific experiments and anecdotal evidence suggest that an average power nap duration of around 30 minutes is most effective. Any more time, and the body enters into its usual sleep cycle. People who regularly take power naps may develop a good idea of what duration works best for them, as well as what tools, environment, position, and associated factors help induce the best results. Mitsuo Hayashi and Tadao Hori have demonstrated that a nap improves mental performance even after a full night's sleep. Power naps of less than 30 minutes—even those as brief as 6 and 10 minutes—restore wakefulness and promote performance and learning. (Copied from Wiki)
[FairfieldLife] RE: Amma will be knifed by a former follower??
Soothsayers in the ancient world also got a bad reputation. In their case they encountered the superstition(?) that someone predicting a bad event was perhaps setting in motion a magical current that would actually trigger the disaster. Maybe sometimes it's a good idea to shoot the messenger! ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: The assassination of Indira Gandhi in 1984 and of her son Rajiv in 1991 is said to have been foreseen by astrologers all over India. Almost all agreed that Mrs. Gandhi should have taken better care of herself that November! Some would-be assassins might have been prompted by these predictions, and subsequent to Mrs. Gandhi's death, a law was passed in India making it a crime to predict any more assassinations. The act states that action will be taken against anyone who 'predicts, prophesies, or pronounces or otherwise expresses in such a manner as to incite, advise, suggest, or prompt the killing or the destruction of any person bound by oath under the constitution'. The idea being that if any potential assassin read the prediction, he would be more likely to carry it out. On 10/8/2013 3:27 AM, cardemaister@... mailto:cardemaister@... wrote: On a Finnish astrology forum, Yep claimed Amma having said years ago that she (Amma) shall die knifed by a former follower...
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Re But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years!: 7 1/2 hours per day! They've moved on from being householders and are well on their way to being recluses by the sound of it! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Uh oh, now I'm in trouble! Seraphita, I'm retired and I live in a small rural town. So I have time for all this. My power naps are like 10 minutes and only if I've had insomnia the night before, so not every day. My asanas don't take very long, nor does my pranayama. I prefer activity to sitting so my whole TMSP is about the minimum. But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years! Spiritual warriors IMHO! From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? Re I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed.: Yes indeed. How do you find time to fit in two meditation sessions a day AND power naps? (And are you also yoga-stretching, pranayama-ing and butt-bouncing ever day?) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Seraphita, I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed, though that is a good thing too. And I mean whole brain enlivening and coherence as indicated by an fMRI or EEG not just subjective report. From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The power nap: an alternative to TM? A power nap is a short sleep which terminates before the occurrence of deep sleep or slow-wave sleep, intended to quickly revitalize the subject. Various durations are recommended for power naps, which are very short compared to regular sleep. The short duration of a power nap is designed to prevent nappers from sleeping so long that they enter a normal sleep cycle without being able to complete it. Going beyond sleep stages I and II but failing to complete a full sleep cycle, can result in a phenomenon known as sleep inertia, where one feels groggy, disoriented, and even more sleepy than before beginning the nap. Brief naps (10–15 minutes) can improve alertness directly after awakening. Scientific experiments and anecdotal evidence suggest that an average power nap duration of around 30 minutes is most effective. Any more time, and the body enters into its usual sleep cycle. People who regularly take power naps may develop a good idea of what duration works best for them, as well as what tools, environment, position, and associated factors help induce the best results. Mitsuo Hayashi and Tadao Hori have demonstrated that a nap improves mental performance even after a full night's sleep. Power naps of less than 30 minutes—even those as brief as 6 and 10 minutes—restore wakefulness and promote performance and learning. (Copied from Wiki)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Amma will be knifed by a former follower??
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cardemais...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 3:27 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Amma will be knifed by a former follower?? On a Finnish astrology forum, Yep claimed Amma having said years ago that she (Amma) shall die knifed by a former follower... Several have tried. Could also be metaphorical, as her former personal attendant is working on a negative book.
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY and Siddha Tradtions
The origins of the bija mantras are lost in antiquity. You're making up myths if you think SBS discovered them. I've referenced Woodroffe's Garland of Letters which was published in 1922 as one example. It's also believed he didn't write those books but were written by an Indian friend of his who was a tantric. http://www.scribd.com/doc/3009647/Woodroffe-The-Garland-of-Letters On 10/08/2013 06:10 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, it looks like Barry 2 is thinking the bija mantras have been around for ages. Does that men he thinks the bijas are eternal and came into the minds of the rishis spontaneously by the grace of Lord Shiva? Or, did the bija mantras have a human origin and were passed down from guru to chela in a long unbroken line leading back to the maha siddhas of the tantric tradtion? It has now been established that at least two of the most sacred bija-mantras, out of the fifteen, contained in the Sound Arya La Hari, are in fact, TM bija-mantras. Now, if the Adi Shankara wrote the Sounda, then he must have included the fifteen bijas contained within, would he not? On 10/7/2013 6:13 PM, Bhairitu wrote: On 10/07/2013 01:02 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, where did the meditation of SBS come from? Meditation is a technique that is common all over India, especially in the sect of the Sri Vidya. In that tradition they meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati. It's the same bija mantra given out in TM initiation. It's the same technique - it's a meditation using a bija mantra of Saraswati. Let's review what we know about SBS. Rajaram Mishra, later to become Swami Bramhananda Saraswati, was born on Thursday, 21 December, 1868 in village Gana, which is close to the city of Ayodhya, in North India. Rajaram was enrolled at the Sanskrit Institute at Kashi at the age of eight and later became a student of Swami Krishnananda Saraswati of Utter Kashi. http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html Are we agreed so far? So, we can assume that the SBS learned meditation from SKS who was initiated by his guru. All the gurus in the Saraswati lineage meditate on the bija of Saraswati. Their headquarters is at Sringeri. According to the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, the meditation technique used in TM originated with the Vedic sage Naryana. It's the same meditation that is used by all the Shankaracharyas in that lineage. So, the TM bija mantras came from SBS, who was a member of the dasanami order of the Saraswati dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi Shankara. The bijas used in TM have been around for ages. And they didn't have to come from anyone.
Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM?
3 people in this situation that I know best are all married. From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:09 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? Re But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years!: 7 1/2 hours per day! They've moved on from being householders and are well on their way to being recluses by the sound of it! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Uh oh, now I'm in trouble! Seraphita, I'm retired and I live in a small rural town. So I have time for all this. My power naps are like 10 minutes and only if I've had insomnia the night before, so not every day. My asanas don't take very long, nor does my pranayama. I prefer activity to sitting so my whole TMSP is about the minimum. But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years! Spiritual warriors IMHO! From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? Re I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed.: Yes indeed. How do you find time to fit in two meditation sessions a day AND power naps? (And are you also yoga-stretching, pranayama-ing and butt-bouncing ever day?) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Seraphita, I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed, though that is a good thing too. And I mean whole brain enlivening and coherence as indicated by an fMRI or EEG not just subjective report. From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The power nap: an alternative to TM? A power nap is a short sleep which terminates before the occurrence of deep sleep or slow-wave sleep, intended to quickly revitalize the subject. Various durations are recommended for power naps, which are very short compared to regular sleep. The short duration of a power nap is designed to prevent nappers from sleeping so long that they enter a normal sleep cycle without being able to complete it. Going beyond sleep stages I and II but failing to complete a full sleep cycle, can result in a phenomenon known as sleep inertia, where one feels groggy, disoriented, and even more sleepy than before beginning the nap. Brief naps (10–15 minutes) can improve alertness directly after awakening. Scientific experiments and anecdotal evidence suggest that an average power nap duration of around 30 minutes is most effective. Any more time, and the body enters into its usual sleep cycle. People who regularly take power naps may develop a good idea of what duration works best for them, as well as what tools, environment, position, and associated factors help induce the best results. Mitsuo Hayashi and Tadao Hori have demonstrated that a nap improves mental performance even after a full night's sleep. Power naps of less than 30 minutes—even those as brief as 6 and 10 minutes—restore wakefulness and promote performance and learning. (Copied from Wiki)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and Siddha Tradtions
Back in the mid 1980s I attended a Commodore computing show. I talked Jay Balakrisnan, the developer of the HES BAL Assembler. His dad came to the US back in the 1930s or 40s to teach the Hollywood folks yoga. He probably taught them meditation too. http://en.inforapid.org/index.php?search=HESware The Theosophical Society was established long before TM and they sponsored events with such teachers. The question is, without the publicity of the Beatles, would have Maharishi just been another Indian traveling through and giving talks and a little teaching at places like the Theosophical Society. It seems that luck more than anything else was responsible for the popularity of TM. That and maybe that we weren't required to run around in pajamas. On 10/08/2013 05:16 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: what about it was revolutionary? He wasn't the only Indian guru who came to the states and europe to promote his schtick you know. It was revolutionary in that he found a way to present a technique of meditation designed for beginners, as a mere starting point from which to explore more interesting techniques, as the end point of meditation itself. In other words, he presented a kindergarten level of meditation as the best, most effective form of meditation on the planet, and convinced millions of people it was true. I'd call the chutzpah of that pretty revolutionary, wouldn't you? :-)
RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: 3 people in this situation that I know best are all married. Well, that's one good way to be able to ignore your spouse. Honey, I'll be in the Absolute for the next 7.5 hours if you need me, where I can neither see or hear you and I sure as hell don't have to talk to you or do any household chores so have fun with that and see in when it's time to go to sleep. From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:09 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? Re But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years!: 7 1/2 hours per day! They've moved on from being householders and are well on their way to being recluses by the sound of it! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Uh oh, now I'm in trouble! Seraphita, I'm retired and I live in a small rural town. So I have time for all this. My power naps are like 10 minutes and only if I've had insomnia the night before, so not every day. My asanas don't take very long, nor does my pranayama. I prefer activity to sitting so my whole TMSP is about the minimum. But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years! Spiritual warriors IMHO! From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? Re I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed.: Yes indeed. How do you find time to fit in two meditation sessions a day AND power naps? (And are you also yoga-stretching, pranayama-ing and butt-bouncing ever day?) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Seraphita, I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed, though that is a good thing too. And I mean whole brain enlivening and coherence as indicated by an fMRI or EEG not just subjective report. From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The power nap: an alternative to TM? A power nap is a short sleep which terminates before the occurrence of deep sleep or slow-wave sleep, intended to quickly revitalize the subject. Various durations are recommended for power naps, which are very short compared to regular sleep. The short duration of a power nap is designed to prevent nappers from sleeping so long that they enter a normal sleep cycle without being able to complete it. Going beyond sleep stages I and II but failing to complete a full sleep cycle, can result in a phenomenon known as sleep inertia, where one feels groggy, disoriented, and even more sleepy than before beginning the nap. Brief naps (10–15 minutes) can improve alertness directly after awakening. Scientific experiments and anecdotal evidence suggest that an average power nap duration of around 30 minutes is most effective. Any more time, and the body enters into its usual sleep cycle. People who regularly take power naps may develop a good idea of what duration works best for them, as well as what tools, environment, position, and associated factors help induce the best results. Mitsuo Hayashi and Tadao Hori have demonstrated that a nap improves mental performance even after a full night's sleep. Power naps of less than 30 minutes—even those as brief as 6 and 10 minutes—restore wakefulness and promote performance and learning. (Copied from Wiki)
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Uh oh, now I'm in trouble! Seraphita, I'm retired and I live in a small rural town. So I have time for all this. My power naps are like 10 minutes and only if I've had insomnia the night before, so not every day. My asanas don't take very long, nor does my pranayama. I prefer activity to sitting so my whole TMSP is about the minimum. But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years! Spiritual warriors IMHO! No, no Share. These are not spiritual warriors. These are people, like the rest of us, who do what is most desirable and fulfilling for themselves. If these meditators actually felt like they wanted to do something else for 7 hours a day they would do it. Now, these long-term, incessant meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes. I feel sorry for them. You spend a long time dead (presumably in the dark with your eyes, or lack of eyes, closed seeing nothing). I have a theory and I'm stickin' to it: if these meditating individuals had a passion or real interests in their lives (or even a family) they would be up and at 'em and imbibing what this magnificent world has to offer. Do you not think someone in activity can be a spiritual warrior? And what is that anyway? From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? Re I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed.: Yes indeed. How do you find time to fit in two meditation sessions a day AND power naps? (And are you also yoga-stretching, pranayama-ing and butt-bouncing ever day?) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Seraphita, I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed, though that is a good thing too. And I mean whole brain enlivening and coherence as indicated by an fMRI or EEG not just subjective report. From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The power nap: an alternative to TM? A power nap is a short sleep which terminates before the occurrence of deep sleep or slow-wave sleep, intended to quickly revitalize the subject. Various durations are recommended for power naps, which are very short compared to regular sleep. The short duration of a power nap is designed to prevent nappers from sleeping so long that they enter a normal sleep cycle without being able to complete it. Going beyond sleep stages I and II but failing to complete a full sleep cycle, can result in a phenomenon known as sleep inertia, where one feels groggy, disoriented, and even more sleepy than before beginning the nap. Brief naps (10–15 minutes) can improve alertness directly after awakening. Scientific experiments and anecdotal evidence suggest that an average power nap duration of around 30 minutes is most effective. Any more time, and the body enters into its usual sleep cycle. People who regularly take power naps may develop a good idea of what duration works best for them, as well as what tools, environment, position, and associated factors help induce the best results. Mitsuo Hayashi and Tadao Hori have demonstrated that a nap improves mental performance even after a full night's sleep. Power naps of less than 30 minutes—even those as brief as 6 and 10 minutes—restore wakefulness and promote performance and learning. (Copied from Wiki)
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Upward Mobility
Richard, basically I think of these places with very high housing costs as being unsustainable. Especially as the population becomes dominated by retirees. It'll be interesting to see what happens to real estate in these expensive areas of the country. From: pundits...@gmail.com pundits...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 9:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Upward Mobility Like medieval serfs, increasing numbers of Californians are downwardly mobile, and doing worse than their parents: native born Latinos actually have shorter lifespans than their parents, according to one recent report... 'California’s New Feudalism Benefits a Few at the Expense of the Multitude' Daily Beast: http://www.thedailybeast.california-s-new-feudalism ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: It's no coincidence that those blue shaded areas overlap the Bakken formation, one of the largest shale oil and gas plays in the United States. And energy-rich Texas, home to the oil-rich Permian basin and the Eagle Ford shale formation, is also relatively upwardly mobile. 'The Shale Boom and Income Mobility' http://tinyurl.com/mog9qd2 Interactive Map: http://tinyurl.com/luoln6j
[FairfieldLife] Why the Debt Ceiling Matters
The Tea Party doesn't appear to care for the welfare of the American economic system just so long as Obamacare is defunded. Why do they take the risk of toppling down the entire country for the sake of their ideology? Something doesn't smell right. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/08/opinion/nocera-why-the-debt-ceiling-matters.html?src=rechpamp;_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/08/opinion/nocera-why-the-debt-ceiling-matters.html?src=rechpamp;_r=0
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma will be knifed by a former follower??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Soothsayers in the ancient world also got a bad reputation. In their case they encountered the superstition(?) that someone predicting a bad event was perhaps setting in motion a magical current that would actually trigger the disaster. Maybe sometimes it's a good idea to shoot the messenger! Sooth is dangerous stuff. It's like TM mantras...ya just shouldn't say that stuff out loud or Bad Shit will happen to you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: 3 people in this situation that I know best are all married. And people on this forum have called me names for living in a polyamorous household. :-) From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@...  Re But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years!: 7 1/2 hours per day! They've moved on from being householders and are well on their way to being recluses by the sound of it! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Uh oh, now I'm in trouble! Seraphita, I'm retired and I live in a small rural town. So I have time for all this. My power naps are like 10 minutes and only if I've had insomnia the night before, so not every day. My asanas don't take very long, nor does my pranayama. I prefer activity to sitting so my whole TMSP is about the minimum. But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years! Spiritual warriors IMHO! From: s3raphita@ s3raphita@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? Re I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed.: Yes indeed. How do you find time to fit in two meditation sessions a day AND power naps? (And are you also yoga-stretching, pranayama-ing and butt-bouncing ever day?) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: Seraphita, I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed, though that is a good thing too. And I mean whole brain enlivening and coherence as indicated by an fMRI or EEG not just subjective report. From: s3raphita@ s3raphita@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The power nap: an alternative to TM? A power nap is a short sleep which terminates before the occurrence of deep sleep or slow-wave sleep, intended to quickly revitalize the subject. Various durations are recommended for power naps, which are very short compared to regular sleep. The short duration of a power nap is designed to prevent nappers from sleeping so long that they enter a normal sleep cycle without being able to complete it. Going beyond sleep stages I and II but failing to complete a full sleep cycle, can result in a phenomenon known as sleep inertia, where one feels groggy, disoriented, and even more sleepy than before beginning the nap. Brief naps (10â15 minutes) can improve alertness directly after awakening. Scientific experiments and anecdotal evidence suggest that an average power nap duration of around 30 minutes is most effective. Any more time, and the body enters into its usual sleep cycle. People who regularly take power naps may develop a good idea of what duration works best for them, as well as what tools, environment, position, and associated factors help induce the best results. Mitsuo Hayashi and Tadao Hori have demonstrated that a nap improves mental performance even after a full night's sleep. Power naps of less than 30 minutesâeven those as brief as 6 and 10 minutesârestore wakefulness and promote performance and learning. (Copied from Wiki)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and Siddha Tradtions
you knew him better than I did, but nah, it wasn't revolutionary, just another con man using the best con man's trick in the world, i.e. the best cons are ones that contain some truth, or have something that is of some value. Let's not forget that the term con artist means confidence artist. A confidence trick is an attempt to defraud a person or group after first gaining their confidence, in the classical sense of trust. In David Mamet's film House of Games, the main con artist gives a slightly different description of the confidence game. He explains that, in a typical swindle, the con man gives the mark his own confidence, encouraging the mark to in turn trust him. The con artist thus poses as a trustworthy person seeking another trustworthy person. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 8:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and Siddha Tradtions --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: what about it was revolutionary? He wasn't the only Indian guru who came to the states and europe to promote his schtick you know. It was revolutionary in that he found a way to present a technique of meditation designed for beginners, as a mere starting point from which to explore more interesting techniques, as the end point of meditation itself. In other words, he presented a kindergarten level of meditation as the best, most effective form of meditation on the planet, and convinced millions of people it was true. I'd call the chutzpah of that pretty revolutionary, wouldn't you? :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM?
Two of the peeps are married to each other though I suspect they are polycelibate (-: And the third is married to another person who I don't know so well but who is also on the rounding course. All four of these people seem pretty happy to me. Go figure! From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: 3 people in this situation that I know best are all married. And people on this forum have called me names for living in a polyamorous household. :-) From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@...  Re But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years!: 7 1/2 hours per day! They've moved on from being householders and are well on their way to being recluses by the sound of it! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Uh oh, now I'm in trouble! Seraphita, I'm retired and I live in a small rural town. So I have time for all this. My power naps are like 10 minutes and only if I've had insomnia the night before, so not every day. My asanas don't take very long, nor does my pranayama. I prefer activity to sitting so my whole TMSP is about the minimum. But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years! Spiritual warriors IMHO! From: s3raphita@ s3raphita@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? Re I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed.: Yes indeed. How do you find time to fit in two meditation sessions a day AND power naps? (And are you also yoga-stretching, pranayama-ing and butt-bouncing ever day?) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: Seraphita, I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed, though that is a good thing too. And I mean whole brain enlivening and coherence as indicated by an fMRI or EEG not just subjective report. From: s3raphita@ s3raphita@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The power nap: an alternative to TM? A power nap is a short sleep which terminates before the occurrence of deep sleep or slow-wave sleep, intended to quickly revitalize the subject. Various durations are recommended for power naps, which are very short compared to regular sleep. The short duration of a power nap is designed to prevent nappers from sleeping so long that they enter a normal sleep cycle without being able to complete it. Going beyond sleep stages I and II but failing to complete a full sleep cycle, can result in a phenomenon known as sleep inertia, where one feels groggy, disoriented, and even more sleepy than before beginning the nap. Brief naps (10â€15 minutes) can improve alertness directly after awakening. Scientific experiments and anecdotal evidence suggest that an average power nap duration of around 30 minutes is most effective. Any more time, and the body enters into its usual sleep cycle. People who regularly take power naps may develop a good idea of what duration works best for them, as well as what tools, environment, position, and associated factors help induce the best results. Mitsuo Hayashi and Tadao Hori have demonstrated that a nap improves mental performance even after a full night's sleep. Power naps of less than 30 minutesâ€even those as brief as 6 and 10 minutesâ€restore wakefulness and promote performance and learning. (Copied from Wiki)
[FairfieldLife] Enlightenment Ain't For Sissies: the computer game
Fascinating article: http://www.kernelmag.com/features/report/5889/the-rush-to-solve-grand-th\ eft-auto-vs-biggest-mystery/ http://www.kernelmag.com/features/report/5889/the-rush-to-solve-grand-t\ heft-auto-vs-biggest-mystery/ It's made me think that TB TMers who want to reach the maximum number of potential meditators with their message shouldn't be giving intro lectures; they should be busy writing computer games. EAFS could be a big hit. On the lower levels, as with any computer game, you just have to run around collecting tokens for a long time. You need the tokens to buy admittance to the residence courses and advanced teachings where the real action is. What entices you to go through all of this are the glowing auras surrounding the avatars of fellow players who have made it to that level -- TM teacher, or Governor of the Age of Enlightenment, or gawd help us Raja. Their avatars have more style than Ron Burgundy...who *wouldn't* want that? And as you progress in the game, gather your tokens, and use them to buy more courses and thus more aura, you start to notice the easter eggs dropped all along the way. The easter eggs all hint at something *more* than just a cool aura...they hint at Enlightenment Itself. You just *know* that EI is way cool, because so few fellow players seem to have attained that level. So you keep pursuing the game even after reaching the TM teacher, Governor, or Raja level, because the big EI is still out there, beckoning. Sects and splinter groups and cliques arise, as players who claim to have attained EI set up shop and tell other players how to attain EIness the way they have. And the whole time, the big EI remains as elusive and as it was when you first started playing. It's the perfect computer game, the kind people play for whole lifetimes...
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: MMY and Siddha Tradtions
Michael wrote: When this happens: the man who changed the entire scope and direction of scientific research by compelling science to recognize in its own terms and by its own methods the existence and reality of a new state of consciousness You know he's referring here to pure consciousness during meditation (no thoughts/no mantra), not enlightenment per se, right?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: MMY and Siddha Tradtions
Richard, I'm pretty good at holding savasana (-: From: Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: MMY and Siddha Tradtions Wouldn't it be great if others would do a little research and post it here too, instead of wasting time arguing over semantics and playing childish 'gotcha' games and finking on their old friends. Is there anyone out there that can hold a yoga pose? LoL! and On 10/7/2013 8:24 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: Poor Richard. He works so hard. Indian film director Mira Nair (whose titles include the enjoyable Kama Sutra: A Tale of Love and Vanity Fair, with Reese Witherspoon) began work on a documentary film about the Beatles' 1968 visit to India. I hope she completes the project as it's a shoo-in to be an entertaining nostalgia trip. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Yes, householder. That's anyone with worldly responsibilities (male or female, head of the household or sweeper of the floor), as opposed to a monk, a recluse who has renounced the world. The Domash essay touches on that distinction, an important one in TM lore. As to whether Guru Dev wanted a simple variant of what he himself taught, I don't think we know that. There are all kinds of stories floating around the movement (and among critics of the movement), and most of them are probably bogus. I do think it's clear that Guru Dev didn't teach TM-as-taught-by-Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi. What isn't clear, at least to me, is whether Guru Dev had any intentional, specific input at all into Maharishi's formulation of and decision to teach TM. My guess is he didn't. The Domash essay carefully avoids raising that issue. And, um, I wouldn't take Richard's posts to confirm anything. Seraphita wrote: Householder is the term maybe, rather than housekeeper? The person in charge rather the person sweeping the floor? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Thanks for the link authfriend. I can see why MMY would approve that account! Richard's posts seem to confirm that Guru Dev most likely did have a Sri Yantra. I still think that the tale of Maharishi bumping off his master, stealing his jewelled Sri Yantra and then heading south to meet with Indian magicians who teach him how to unlock its secrets would make a great movie: Maharishi invokes asuras who promise him unlimited wealth and power - the CGI people are given free rein at this point. The asuras' acolyte (film-maker Kenneth Anger) is instructed to prepare the way amongst rock royalty like the Stones and the Beatles . . . and so it goes. Scorcese would lap this up. A while back I read Our Spiritual Heritage: An Informal History of the Masters of the Sankaracharya Tradition by Lynn Nappe (a former TM teacher) - the story of each of the masters of the Shankaracharya tradition. The entry for Guru Dev includes an overview of his meditation advice that is most certainlynot TM. Lynne Nappe glosses this by saying Guru Dev's own technique was different but he wanted a simple variant suitable for the housekeeper. I guess we're all housekeepers . . . housewives or househusbands. .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Why the Debt Ceiling Matters
I've been saying for years that the Republicans want to trash the economy so that they and their cronies can buy it for pennies on the dollar and turn the rest of us into serfs. On 10/08/2013 09:54 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: The Tea Party doesn't appear to care for the welfare of the American economic system just so long as Obamacare is defunded. Why do they take the risk of toppling down the entire country for the sake of their ideology? Something doesn't smell right. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/08/opinion/nocera-why-the-debt-ceiling-matters.html?src=rechpamp;_r=0
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: MMY and Siddha Tradtions
You're way advanced then, compared to the others posting on FFL. Apparently most of the informants here are still practicing a kindergarten beginner's meditation, if anything, and taking power naps. Go figure.' http://www.yogajournal.com/poses/482 On 10/8/2013 12:53 PM, Share Long wrote: Richard, I'm pretty good at holding savasana (-: *From:* Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com *To:* Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 8, 2013 8:03 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: MMY and Siddha Tradtions Wouldn't it be great if others would do a little research and post it here too, instead of wasting time arguing over semantics and playing childish 'gotcha' games and finking on their old friends. Is there anyone out there that can hold a yoga pose? LoL! and On 10/7/2013 8:24 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com mailto:s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: Poor Richard. He works so hard. Indian film director Mira Nair (whose titles include the enjoyable Kama Sutra: A Tale of Love and Vanity Fair, with Reese Witherspoon) began work on a documentary film about the Beatles' 1968 visit to India. I hope she completes the project as it's a shoo-in to be an entertaining nostalgia trip. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Yes, householder. That's anyone with worldly responsibilities (male or female, head of the household or sweeper of the floor), as opposed to a monk, a recluse who has renounced the world. The Domash essay touches on that distinction, an important one in TM lore. As to whether Guru Dev wanted a simple variant of what he himself taught, I don't think we know that. There are all kinds of stories floating around the movement (and among critics of the movement), and most of them are probably bogus. I do think it's clear that Guru Dev didn't teach TM-as-taught-by-Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi. What isn't clear, at least to me, is whether Guru Dev had any intentional, specific input at all into Maharishi's formulation of and decision to teach TM. My guess is he didn't. The Domash essay carefully avoids raising that issue. And, um, I wouldn't take Richard's posts to confirm /anything/. Seraphita wrote: Householder is the term maybe, rather than housekeeper? The person in charge rather the person sweeping the floor? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Thanks for the link authfriend. I can see why MMY would approve that account! Richard's posts seem to confirm that Guru Dev most likely did have a Sri Yantra. I still think that the tale of Maharishi bumping off his master, stealing his jewelled Sri Yantra and then heading south to meet with Indian magicians who teach him how to unlock its secrets would make a great movie: Maharishi invokes asuras who promise him unlimited wealth and power - the CGI people are given free rein at this point. The asuras' acolyte (film-maker Kenneth Anger) is instructed to prepare the way amongst rock royalty like the Stones and the Beatles . . . and so it goes. Scorcese would lap this up. A while back I read Our Spiritual Heritage: An Informal History of the Masters of the Sankaracharya Tradition by Lynn Nappe (a former TM teacher) - the story of each of the masters of the Shankaracharya tradition. The entry for Guru Dev includes an overview of his meditation advice that is most certainlynot TM. Lynne Nappe glosses this by saying Guru Dev's own technique was different but he wanted a simple variant suitable for the housekeeper. I guess we're all housekeepers . . . housewives or househusbands. .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Why the Debt Ceiling Matters
Yeah, I've been saying pretty much the same thing about Democrats. Get everybody dependent on government assistance and they'll vote for whoever offers them the most or vote against anyone that threatens that assistance. Now that's serfdom. However, sooner or later, you run out of other peoples money to control the serfs with. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Why the Debt Ceiling Matters I've been saying for years that the Republicans want to trash the economy so that they and their cronies can buy it for pennies on the dollar and turn the rest of us into serfs.On 10/08/2013 09:54 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: The Tea Party doesn't appear to care for the welfare of the American economic system just so long as Obamacare is defunded. Why do they take the risk of toppling down the entire country for the sake of their ideology? Something doesn't smell right. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/08/opinion/nocera-why-the-debt-ceiling-matters.html?src=rechpamp;_r=0
Re: [FairfieldLife] Why the Debt Ceiling Matters
By other people's money do you mean the wealth hoarders like the Koch's, the Waltons, etc? On 10/08/2013 11:41 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: Yeah, I've been saying pretty much the same thing about Democrats. Get everybody dependenton government assistance and they'll vote for whoever offers them the most or vote against anyone that threatens that assistance. Now that's serfdom. However, sooner or later, you run out of other peoples money to control the serfs with. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:08 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Why the Debt Ceiling Matters I've been saying for years that the Republicans want to trash the economy so that they and their cronies can buy it for pennies on the dollar and turn the rest of us into serfs.On 10/08/2013 09:54 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com mailto:jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: The Tea Party doesn't appear to care for the welfare of the American economic system just so long as Obamacare is defunded. Why do they take the risk of toppling down the entire country for the sake of their ideology? Something doesn't smell right. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/08/opinion/nocera-why-the-debt-ceiling-matters.html?src=rechpamp;_r=0
[FairfieldLife] US Adults Score Below Average in Test
But the US government alters the playing field by offering the Genius visa to foreigners who have the qualifications necessary to fill highly skilled jobs in the USA. Nonetheless, kudos to Japan and Finland for topping the tests in three categories. http://news.yahoo.com/us-adults-score-below-average-worldwide-test-090114407.html http://news.yahoo.com/us-adults-score-below-average-worldwide-test-090114407.html
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY and Siddha Tradtions
Richie wrote Now, if the Adi Shankara wrote the Sounda, then he must have included the fifteen bijas contained within, would he not? The crucial word here is IF, Richard, as scholars agree that he never wrote it. But there is no doubt of the fact that Shri Vidya found entry into the Dasanami sampradaya in South India, where Gurudevs teacher came from. IMHO it is more likely, that GD would utilize the mantra of Tripura Sundari rather than that of Sharada. This is what worshippers of the Shri Yantra usually do. I saw a beautiful Shri Yantra at the temple at the origin of the Narmada river in Amarkanthak, where GD spend about 30 years roaming the forests. Like all holy rivers, the Narmada is seen as a manifestation of the Goddess, and Paul Mason put a beautiful song of GD's voice praising the Narmada goddess. Also, not all Dasanami monks meditate on the bijas of Saraswathi, not twice a day, some do not meditate at all, and not all of TM mantras are bijas of Saraswathi, only those of the student age. The first mantras Maharishi taught in the west were in fact Ram mantras. Shree is typical Lakshmi, other mantras are of Durga and Kali or Krishna. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: So, it looks like Barry 2 is thinking the bija mantras have been around for ages. Does that men he thinks the bijas are eternal and came into the minds of the rishis spontaneously by the grace of Lord Shiva? Or, did the bija mantras have a human origin and were passed down from guru to chela in a long unbroken line leading back to the maha siddhas of the tantric tradtion? It has now been established that at least two of the most sacred bija-mantras, out of the fifteen, contained in the Sound Arya La Hari, are in fact, TM bija-mantras. Now, if the Adi Shankara wrote the Sounda, then he must have included the fifteen bijas contained within, would he not? On 10/7/2013 6:13 PM, Bhairitu wrote: On 10/07/2013 01:02 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, where did the meditation of SBS come from? Meditation is a technique that is common all over India, especially in the sect of the Sri Vidya. In that tradition they meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati. It's the same bija mantra given out in TM initiation. It's the same technique - it's a meditation using a bija mantra of Saraswati. Let's review what we know about SBS. Rajaram Mishra, later to become Swami Bramhananda Saraswati, was born on Thursday, 21 December, 1868 in village Gana, which is close to the city of Ayodhya, in North India. Rajaram was enrolled at the Sanskrit Institute at Kashi at the age of eight and later became a student of Swami Krishnananda Saraswati of Utter Kashi. http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html Are we agreed so far? So, we can assume that the SBS learned meditation from SKS who was initiated by his guru. All the gurus in the Saraswati lineage meditate on the bija of Saraswati. Their headquarters is at Sringeri. According to the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, the meditation technique used in TM originated with the Vedic sage Naryana. It's the same meditation that is used by all the Shankaracharyas in that lineage. So, the TM bija mantras came from SBS, who was a member of the dasanami order of the Saraswati dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi Shankara. The bijas used in TM have been around for ages. And they didn't have to come from anyone.
[FairfieldLife] RE: US Adults Score Below Average in Test
IMHO, one of the main reasons for the success of Finland might be the writing system which is nothing short of as phonetic as the Latin alphabet allows... But I might be all wrong with that! One common factor between Japanese and Finns might also be shyness and reservedness which might promote reading books instead of having fun?? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: But the US government alters the playing field by offering the Genius visa to foreigners who have the qualifications necessary to fill highly skilled jobs in the USA. Nonetheless, kudos to Japan and Finland for topping the tests in three categories. http://news.yahoo.com/us-adults-score-below-average-worldwide-test-090114407.html http://news.yahoo.com/us-adults-score-below-average-worldwide-test-090114407.html
[FairfieldLife] The best cure for a hangover
Best cure for a hangover? Sprite, scientists claim. For years people have argued over what they believe is the essential remedy after a heavy night - from a strong coffee to a hair of the dog. http://tinyurl.com/o2re4d4 http://tinyurl.com/o2re4d4
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: They want your attention because they feed off of you
turq, as I've said before, I think it's hardwired into our brains that attention equals life, survival. Not only for the individual but also for the species. And the DNA that species is host to. Powerful conditioning. Until we experience that attention or awareness is something we have innately. Each act of our lives thus springs from an ever changing and subtle experience of fullness or emptiness of awareness. At any given moment we act from a certain percentage of conditioning to get attention and a certain percentage of the experience of having innate attention which is freedom from that conditioning. This freedom is a huge part of the human journey. Maybe for the DNA too! Compassion is a good thing. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 2:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: They want your attention because they feed off of you Just as a followup, because I did feel that this was a thought-provoking article, as an example of the cost of the Internet and our we-only-want-30-seconds-of-your-attention-for-a-soundbyte media, how many of you found that you no longer had the attention span to read the entire article? No need to reply...you know who you are. :-) Attention -- the nature of it, the seeking of it, and the cost of giving it out indiscriminately -- is obviously a fascination of mine, so this article appealed to me. It made me think about the very nature of the Internet and its economic underpinnings, and why all of my browsers are equipped with add-ons like Adblock Plus. I don't see ads -- even subliminally, in the margins or in the top banner -- when reading this forum, and I never have to wait through a commercial when watching a YouTube video. I consider those things an intrusion into my life that is unacceptable in terms of cost, so I've found a way to block them. I'm going into this because some on this forum take the fact that I have set up less automated, manual blocks of *them* and their posts personally, as if it's some kind of attack against them. It's not. It's the consequence of sussing out that I have a limited amount of time left on this rock, and I don't want to piss it away with people or things that will simply waste it. It's not necessarily personal; it's the result of a cost/benefit analysis. Long experience has taught me that some subjects and some people are going to be *by definition* a waste of my time, and time is the one resource I cannot get back. So I've downloaded the EgoBlock Plus add-on, and installed it on my internal wetware browser. I recommend it highly. :-) And it's even free, so Alex doesn't have to worry about this post being spam. :-) All you need to run this add-on is free will, and the discrimination to use it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: This subject line is a test, written after reading the article at the link below. Despite what some here might have thought when they clicked on it, neither the article nor the subject line is a reference to Fairfield Life or the characters who populate it and often vie for your attention. But both could be. The subject line is a very literal description of the Internet and how it works. And the article is about attention, period, how we live in a world that is nickle-and-dimeing us to death by stealing tiny slices of our attention, and what the cumulative cost of pissing away all that attention might be. It's also a little about people's goals when they desire to attract the attention of others, and about goals, period. I loved the G.K. Chesterton story from Tremendous Trifles about the two kids; it finally made me understand why TMers want to fly. Anyway, enjoy: http://www.aeonmagazine.com/world-views/does-each-click-of-attention-cost-a-bit-of-ourselves /
[FairfieldLife] RE: Ishvara - The Transcendental Person
Reply to Iran I Tea Although I read Aurobindo's Life Divine and Synthesis of Yoga, the real heart of his yoga appeared in his collection known as Letters on Yoga. This collection that gave me the first taste of yoga-bhakti with its “opening upwards to the Adya Shakti” (i.e. the Divine Mother). The idea being that She would then begin to guide one’s personal sadhana. In those collected letters there was much discussion about topics only found in certain Bhakti and Tantric texts. Aurobino generally didn’t talk much about those texts because “Tantra” was a dirty word in his day. However, his first yoga teacher, Vishnu Bhaskar Lele, gave him a simple instruction that liberated his attachment to his mind and allowed unceasing, silent awareness to appear. It was an instruction based upon Samkhya-Yoga, although not in the Samkhya texts themselves. However, none of that alters the fact that Sri Aurobindo did not understand Shankara's subtle elucidation of the brahma-jñâna transmitted by the major Upanishads. For his part, MMY appeared to be very influenced by Swami Lakshmanjoo's Kashmiri Shaivism. Thus the Kashmiri theories of the causal transformations of Shiva/Shakti into the universe of duality appear in MMY’s Rig Bhasya as a self-referral causality. None of this is kevala advaita, although MMY didn't seem willing to say so. However, I would point out a few things you may be unaware of in these matters. No one on FFL quotes Shankara’s commentary on the Bhagavad-Gita because no one here has read it. MMY doesn’t refer to it, except maybe in one place (I don’t remember where). For Shankara’s part, he follows the Gita “as is” rather than artificially breaking it into three (3) parts. Instead he discusses the two nishta-s (not two paths but rather two different types of resolute-observance) – jñâna-yoga for the knowers (samkhyânâm) and karma-yoga for the practitioners of yoga (yoganâm). Bhakti does not constitute a separate observance in the Gita teaching because it is included and assumed as essential within these two nishta-s. Also, few here comprehend that Shankara points directly to “awareness” as the key. That is to say not some yogic “pure awareness” (as if awareness somehow becomes impure because thoughts defile the mind). Nor was he asserting awareness “beyond thinking, some yogic nirvikalpa samâdhi. Rather, following the Upanishads, he asserted the primacy of awareness “as-such”, the very awareness we have throughout waking, dreaming, deep sleep. Following the Upanishadic declaration of satyam-jñânam-anatam (real, knowingness, unending) any of these terms are interchangeable doorways to immediately recognize the mahavakya - “That I am”. So what is this “That”? Only Awareness - which is what we are … the rest is appearance … neither the same, nor different but rather an indivisible whole - also known more accurately as Brahman. This is why Shankara recommended nididhyasana: the contemplation of one's own nature by tracing back the radiance of awareness to it's root and dispelling the idea that we are just the body, senses, mind, intellect. So as a follow through, some catching-up is warranted. Thus, for those who might be interested (or not), here are some references: How To Attain Enlightenment (the vision of non-duality) by James Swartz (on Amazon). This is a funny title. But the book is an accurate account of Shankara teachings as transmitted by the traditional Advaita-Acharya, Swami Dayananada. Shankara’s commentary on the Bhagavad-Gîtâ, translated by Swami Gambhîrânanda, at Vedanta Press. Madhusûdana Saraswati’s annotation on the Bhagavad-Gîtâ called Gûdhârtha-Dîpikâ (also at Vedanta Press) which historically starts the interpretation lineage of using Patanjali to contextualize Advaita. However, Madhusûsana was both a consummate Kevala Advaitin (composing the famous but difficult Advaita-Siddhi) and a realized Krishna-bhaktin of intense devotion. In fact, his final views in the Advaita lineage are so complete that Shankara Advaitin-s no longer concern themselves with answering the objections of the various “schools of vendanta because Madhusûdana already has answered them. Welcome to the arena of examination. This is not Prairie Dog Vedanta. Iran I Tea sez: Wow, you read the Life Divine in 1966, that's really impressive, I wasn't even in puberty then. Maybe you should have done a re-read later on, it is difficult to imagine you could grasp the whole content then. Anyway, everybody has his own path. I first heard of Mirra Alfassa in 1973, when she died, and I had just started TM. You could have visited her still. But I have to agree with Richard, that Kevala Advaita of Shankara represents only a fraction of the Indian philosophies. Maybe Aurobindo misinterpreted Shankara to some extend, but then how about Ramanuja and all the other Vaishnava Acharyas? Didn't they study
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?
Feste37 makes a very important distinction here. Fairfield clearly is even now a historic American pietist spiritual practice community rooted in the practices of Quietism. -Buck Feste37 writes, “Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/ http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?
Yes, meditating Fairfield as a spiritual practice community was never conceived an amusement park. Even right now it is a living artifact of 20th Century American spiritual experience and community. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Feste37 makes a very important distinction here. Fairfield clearly is even now a historic American pietist spiritual practice community rooted in the practices of Quietism. -Buck Feste37 writes, “Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/ http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/
[FairfieldLife] A Chinese Explorer Discovered America?
In a new book, an author claims it to be true. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/chinese-explorer-may-have-discovered-america-before-columbus--according-to-new-book-201051307.html http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/chinese-explorer-may-have-discovered-america-before-columbus--according-to-new-book-201051307.html
[FairfieldLife] Post Count Wed 09-Oct-13 00:15:04 UTC
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Why the Debt Ceiling Matters
Sooner or later, it's anybody that pays income tax. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Why the Debt Ceiling Matters By other people's money do you mean the wealth hoarders like the Koch's, the Waltons, etc?On 10/08/2013 11:41 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: Yeah, I've been saying pretty much the same thing about Democrats. Get everybody dependent on government assistance and they'll vote for whoever offers them the most or vote against anyone that threatens that assistance. Now that's serfdom. However, sooner or later, you run out of other peoples money to control the serfs with. From: Bhairitu mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Why the Debt Ceiling Matters I've been saying for years that the Republicans want to trash the economy so that they and their cronies can buy it for pennies on the dollar and turn the rest of us into serfs. On 10/08/2013 09:54 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: The Tea Party doesn't appear to care for the welfare of the American economic system just so long as Obamacare is defunded. Why do they take the risk of toppling down the entire country for the sake of their ideology? Something doesn't smell right. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/08/opinion/nocera-why-the-debt-ceiling-matters.html?src=rechp_r=0
RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: MMY and Siddha Tradtions
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy: Shut up, Richard. I'm not disputing anything. She's just such a sweetie, isn't she? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: It sure is looking like the authfriend is disputing the fact that Swami Karpatri was a member of the Sri Vidya sect. Now, why would she do that and mislead us about the SBS affiliations with Sri Vidya? Obviously if Swami Karpatri was a Sri Vidya he learned it from his guru SKS. Go figure. He was also the great expert of Shree Vidya and probably all the present day experts in Varanasi have somehow or the other obtained Shree vidya from him or his pupils. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri Why would MMY tell a fib about his tradition's lineage? So many questions - so few answers. The question is: why do some TMers meditate on the bija of Saraswati if MMY didn't get the bja from SBS? Would MMY just make it up or read it in a book? Is it just a coincidence that the bija of Saraswati is included in the fifteen bijas mentioned in the Sound Arya Lahari by the Adi Shankara? There is one undisputed fact: all the Saraswati dasanami's meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati at least twice a day! Is there anyone here who would dispute this? On 10/7/2013 7:05 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote: Thanks for the link authfriend. I can see why MMY would approve that account! Richard's posts seem to confirm that Guru Dev most likely did have a Sri Yantra. I still think that the tale of Maharishi bumping off his master, stealing his jewelled Sri Yantra and then heading south to meet with Indian magicians who teach him how to unlock its secrets would make a great movie: Maharishi invokes asuras who promise him unlimited wealth and power - the CGI people are given free rein at this point. The asuras' acolyte (film-maker Kenneth Anger) is instructed to prepare the way amongst rock royalty like the Stones and the Beatles . . . and so it goes. Scorcese would lap this up. A while back I read Our Spiritual Heritage: An Informal History of the Masters of the Sankaracharya Tradition by Lynn Nappe (a former TM teacher) - the story of each of the masters of the Shankaracharya tradition. The entry for Guru Dev includes an overview of his meditation advice that is most certainly not TM. Lynne Nappe glosses this by saying Guru Dev's own technique was different but he wanted a simple variant suitable for the housekeeper. I guess we're all housekeepers . . . housewives or househusbands. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote: On 10/07/2013 01:02 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, where did the meditation of SBS come from? Meditation is a technique that is common all over India, especially in the sect of the Sri Vidya. In that tradition they meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati. It's the same bija mantra given out in TM initiation. It's the same technique - it's a meditation using a bija mantra of Saraswati. Let's review what we know about SBS. Rajaram Mishra, later to become Swami Bramhananda Saraswati, was born on Thursday, 21 December, 1868 in village Gana, which is close to the city of Ayodhya, in North India. Rajaram was enrolled at the Sanskrit Institute at Kashi at the age of eight and later became a student of Swami Krishnananda Saraswati of Utter Kashi. http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html Are we agreed so far? So, we can assume that the SBS learned meditation from SKS who was initiated by his guru. All the gurus in the Saraswati lineage meditate on the bija of Saraswati. Their headquarters is at Sringeri. According to the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, the meditation technique used in TM originated with the Vedic sage Naryana. It's the same meditation that is used by all the Shankaracharyas in that lineage. So, the TM bija mantras came from SBS, who was a member of the dasanami order of the Saraswati dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi Shankara. The bijas used in TM have been around for ages. And they didn't have to come from anyone. .
[FairfieldLife] RE: MMY and Siddha Tradtions
May it be allowed to question with all due respect, kowtau and hand kisses to my Lady of the Lake Jude your references. You mentioning as a source for Dr.Domash article your battleground where you fought so brave for purity and integrity...when there is the article as a whole avaible at mum. Oh my dear , let us consider with Lawrence Domash that the degree of consciousness may be related to the degree of long-range spatial and temporal comprehension and awarenessand therefore related our degree of long-range spatial and temporal comprehension and awareness to the wholeness of the article and it in devotion so brilliantly described implication. , not forgetting the context,too. The introduction Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and the Transcendental Meditation Program: A New Direction for Scientific Research continues: It would be shortsighted, however, to believe that Maharishi will be regarded in the future merely as the man who introduced to science a certain new or revived relaxation technique with a variety of measurable effects. Rather, it seems certain that he will properly come to be regarded as the man who changed the entire scope and direction of scientific research by compelling science to recognize in its own terms and by its own methods the existence and reality of a new state of consciousness. This is the real discovery, of which the Transcendental Meditation technique itself is actually a technological application, and it is surely a development of much more far-reaching importance for scientific knowledge than all of the other great scientific advances of this century combined. It is to this point that we would like to devote the remainder of this introduction. and continues with: Implications of Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program http://www.mum.edu/RelId/651822/ISvars/default/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yog.htm http://www.mum.edu/RelId/651822/ISvars/default/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yog.htm In editors note: – ..Also since that time, modern theoretical physics has further advanced a fundamental concept that Dr. Domash discusses in this essay, namely that there is a basic state of least excitation known as the ground state, or “vacuum state,” of any field, which Dr. Domash compares with the field of pure consciousness. Modern physics has now developed completely unified field theories, mathematical descriptions of a field of unity underlying all the diversity of the universe and uniting all the fundamental force and matter fields. At the time he wrote this essay, Dr. Domash was Chancellor of Maharishi European Research University, in Switzerland, and shortly thereafter became the second president of Maharishi International University (1977–1980). Objection Your Honour. Could they not give our Superradiancer-now-Floor sweeper' Lawrence Domash more credit than ground state, or “vacuum state” formulation? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Seraphita, if you're interested in what Maharishi wanted known about the origins of Transcendental Meditation (i.e., the specific technique he taught), see here (it's a 1993 post from the Usenet newsgroup alt.meditation.transcendental, now archived on Google Groups): http://tinyurl.com/34bras http://tinyurl.com/34bras The post contains the first half of the introductory essay by Larry Domash to the first volume of the Collected Papers (research studies on TM, published in 1975). The whole thing (that is, the whole first half) is of interest, but Domash gets to the nitty-gritty about the origins of TM in the paragraph beginning As an unusually talented student... if you want to skip the background. Rick Archer has said he was present when Domash read the essay to Maharishi for his approval, so we can be pretty sure it reflects the account Maharishi wanted told. (Whether it's 100 percent accurate is anyone's guess.) It doesn't exactly answer your question, but it seems clear that Maharishi didn't simply parrot the meditation instructions given by Guru Dev (or at least didn't want that to be the story). snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Why the Debt Ceiling Matters
So you would prefer to keep all your income and pay toll roads, pay a company for fire protection, pay out of pocket for your medical care? If you've been paying attention, those here who have Single Payer healthcare have indicated it isn't free but it is far less than you're getting rooked with our private healthcare system. On 10/08/2013 05:47 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Sooner or later, it's anybody that pays income tax. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:53 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Why the Debt Ceiling Matters By other people's money do you mean the wealth hoarders like the Koch's, the Waltons, etc?On 10/08/2013 11:41 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: Yeah, I've been saying pretty much the same thing about Democrats. Get everybody dependenton government assistance and they'll vote for whoever offers them the most or vote against anyone that threatens that assistance. Now that's serfdom. However, sooner or later, you run out of other peoples money to control the serfs with. *From:* Bhairitu mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:08 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Why the Debt Ceiling Matters I've been saying for years that the Republicans want to trash the economy so that they and their cronies can buy it for pennies on the dollar and turn the rest of us into serfs. On 10/08/2013 09:54 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com mailto:jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: The Tea Party doesn't appear to care for the welfare of the American economic system just so long as Obamacare is defunded. Why do they take the risk of toppling down the entire country for the sake of their ideology? Something doesn't smell right. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/08/opinion/nocera-why-the-debt-ceiling-matters.html?src=rechp_r=0
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Chinese Explorer Discovered America?
And sailors from India may have populated South America in the first millennia when they were blown off coarse. Sorta explains the temple you find there. On 10/08/2013 05:15 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: In a new book, an author claims it to be true. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/chinese-explorer-may-have-discovered-america-before-columbus--according-to-new-book-201051307.html
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?
Going forward meditating Fairfield, Iowa is blazing still its contemporary and revolutionary commentary on 21st Century materialism and spiritual and religious American community. Jai Brahmananda Saraswati! -Buck, in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, meditating Fairfield as a spiritual practice community was never conceived an amusement park. Even right now it is a living artifact of 20th Century American spiritual experience and community. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Feste37 makes a very important distinction here. Fairfield clearly is even now a historic American pietist spiritual practice community rooted in the practices of Quietism. -Buck Feste37 writes, “Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/ http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/
[FairfieldLife] RE: Enlightenment Ain#39;t For Sissies: the computer game
The big El is elusive because it is hiding everywhere and in plain sight all at the same time. Because it looks exactly like what you see, touch, taste, hear, and feel, it disguises itself as everyday life. If everyday life is somehow not completely fulfilling, one may be tempted to look for something special to take you away from the humdrum. This is where the Guru comes in. The Guru is a guy with used plastic bottles, having filled them up at a public water fountain. You come by that fountain, thirsty to get a drink, but the Guru says, 'don't drink from that, drink from these special bottles, here is what you are really looking for' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Fascinating article: http://www.kernelmag.com/features/report/5889/the-rush-to-solve-grand-theft-auto-vs-biggest-mystery/ http://www.kernelmag.com/features/report/5889/the-rush-to-solve-grand-theft-auto-vs-biggest-mystery/ It's made me think that TB TMers who want to reach the maximum number of potential meditators with their message shouldn't be giving intro lectures; they should be busy writing computer games. EAFS could be a big hit. On the lower levels, as with any computer game, you just have to run around collecting tokens for a long time. You need the tokens to buy admittance to the residence courses and advanced teachings where the real action is. What entices you to go through all of this are the glowing auras surrounding the avatars of fellow players who have made it to that level -- TM teacher, or Governor of the Age of Enlightenment, or gawd help us Raja. Their avatars have more style than Ron Burgundy...who *wouldn't* want that? And as you progress in the game, gather your tokens, and use them to buy more courses and thus more aura, you start to notice the easter eggs dropped all along the way. The easter eggs all hint at something *more* than just a cool aura...they hint at Enlightenment Itself. You just *know* that EI is way cool, because so few fellow players seem to have attained that level. So you keep pursuing the game even after reaching the TM teacher, Governor, or Raja level, because the big EI is still out there, beckoning. Sects and splinter groups and cliques arise, as players who claim to have attained EI set up shop and tell other players how to attain EIness the way they have. And the whole time, the big EI remains as elusive and as it was when you first started playing. It's the perfect computer game, the kind people play for whole lifetimes...
[FairfieldLife] Shadows and Echoes music video
This is built from pictures I took of the past, in April, 2005, mostly at an open air museum, in San Jose, CA. The same scene brings up different associations, depending on its colors: Shadows and Echoes (2:26) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0VBDiUt28s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0VBDiUt28s
[FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM?
Re And people on this forum have called me names for living in a polyamorous household.: Polyamory? Ah! I see you are a worthy disciple of Maharishi and are determined to follow the master's example on how to order your love life . . . :-) I'm curious though: what happens if one of the ladies becomes pregnant? What's the game plan then? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: 3 people in this situation that I know best are all married. And people on this forum have called me names for living in a polyamorous household. :-) From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@...  Re But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years!: 7 1/2 hours per day! They've moved on from being householders and are well on their way to being recluses by the sound of it! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Uh oh, now I'm in trouble! Seraphita, I'm retired and I live in a small rural town. So I have time for all this. My power naps are like 10 minutes and only if I've had insomnia the night before, so not every day. My asanas don't take very long, nor does my pranayama. I prefer activity to sitting so my whole TMSP is about the minimum. But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years! Spiritual warriors IMHO! From: s3raphita@ s3raphita@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? Re I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed.: Yes indeed. How do you find time to fit in two meditation sessions a day AND power naps? (And are you also yoga-stretching, pranayama-ing and butt-bouncing ever day?) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: Seraphita, I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed, though that is a good thing too. And I mean whole brain enlivening and coherence as indicated by an fMRI or EEG not just subjective report. From: s3raphita@ s3raphita@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The power nap: an alternative to TM? A power nap is a short sleep which terminates before the occurrence of deep sleep or slow-wave sleep, intended to quickly revitalize the subject. Various durations are recommended for power naps, which are very short compared to regular sleep. The short duration of a power nap is designed to prevent nappers from sleeping so long that they enter a normal sleep cycle without being able to complete it. Going beyond sleep stages I and II but failing to complete a full sleep cycle, can result in a phenomenon known as sleep inertia, where one feels groggy, disoriented, and even more sleepy than before beginning the nap. Brief naps (10â15 minutes) can improve alertness directly after awakening. Scientific experiments and anecdotal evidence suggest that an average power nap duration of around 30 minutes is most effective. Any more time, and the body enters into its usual sleep cycle. People who regularly take power naps may develop a good idea of what duration works best for them, as well as what tools, environment, position, and associated factors help induce the best results. Mitsuo Hayashi and Tadao Hori have demonstrated that a nap improves mental performance even after a full night's sleep. Power naps of less than 30 minutesâeven those as brief as 6 and 10 minutesârestore wakefulness and promote performance and learning. (Copied from Wiki)
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?
In a coming future, meditating Fairfield, Iowa very likely shall also come to be on the National Registry of Historic Places along with other important spiritual practice communities of American and Western history. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Going forward meditating Fairfield, Iowa is blazing still its contemporary and revolutionary commentary on 21st Century materialism and spiritual and religious American community. Jai Brahmananda Saraswati! -Buck, in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, meditating Fairfield as a spiritual practice community was never conceived an amusement park. Even right now it is a living artifact of 20th Century American spiritual experience and community. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Feste37 makes a very important distinction here. Fairfield clearly is even now a historic American pietist spiritual practice community rooted in the practices of Quietism. -Buck Feste37 writes, “Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/ http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/
[FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?
[Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ] ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: In a coming future, meditating Fairfield, Iowa very likely shall also come to be on the National Registry of Historic Places along with other important spiritual practice communities of American and Western history. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Going forward meditating Fairfield, Iowa is blazing still its contemporary and revolutionary commentary on 21st Century materialism and spiritual and religious American community. Jai Brahmananda Saraswati! -Buck, in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, meditating Fairfield as a spiritual practice community was never conceived an amusement park. Even right now it is a living artifact of 20th Century American spiritual experience and community. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Feste37 makes a very important distinction here. Fairfield clearly is even now a historic American pietist spiritual practice community rooted in the practices of Quietism. -Buck Feste37 writes, “Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/ http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?
Zoar http://www.ohiohistory.org/museums-and-historic-sites/museum--historic-sites-by-name/zoar-village http://www.ohiohistory.org/museums-and-historic-sites/museum--historic-sites-by-name/zoar-village ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ] ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: In a coming future, meditating Fairfield, Iowa very likely shall also come to be on the National Registry of Historic Places along with other important spiritual practice communities of American and Western history. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Going forward meditating Fairfield, Iowa is blazing still its contemporary and revolutionary commentary on 21st Century materialism and spiritual and religious American community. Jai Brahmananda Saraswati! -Buck, in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, meditating Fairfield as a spiritual practice community was never conceived an amusement park. Even right now it is a living artifact of 20th Century American spiritual experience and community. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Feste37 makes a very important distinction here. Fairfield clearly is even now a historic American pietist spiritual practice community rooted in the practices of Quietism. -Buck Feste37 writes, “Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/ http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/
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Whittier, Iowa Hicksite Quakers, National Registry of Historic Places; Settlement era Iowa Meissner Effect [ME] Group Meditation: https://sites.google.com/site/ffhamfampage/clients/whittier-quaker-meeting-house https://sites.google.com/site/ffhamfampage/clients/whittier-quaker-meeting-house ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Zoar http://www.ohiohistory.org/museums-and-historic-sites/museum--historic-sites-by-name/zoar-village http://www.ohiohistory.org/museums-and-historic-sites/museum--historic-sites-by-name/zoar-village ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ] ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: In a coming future, meditating Fairfield, Iowa very likely shall also come to be on the National Registry of Historic Places along with other important spiritual practice communities of American and Western history. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Going forward meditating Fairfield, Iowa is blazing still its contemporary and revolutionary commentary on 21st Century materialism and spiritual and religious American community. Jai Brahmananda Saraswati! -Buck, in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, meditating Fairfield as a spiritual practice community was never conceived an amusement park. Even right now it is a living artifact of 20th Century American spiritual experience and community. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Feste37 makes a very important distinction here. Fairfield clearly is even now a historic American pietist spiritual practice community rooted in the practices of Quietism. -Buck Feste37 writes, “Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/ http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/
[FairfieldLife] RE: Why the Debt Ceiling Matters
Bhairitu: I've been saying for years that the Republicans want to trash the economy so that they and their cronies can buy it for pennies on the dollar and turn the rest of us into serfs. Mike Dixon: I've been saying pretty much the same thing about Democrats. Get everybody dependent on government assistance and they'll vote for whoever offers them the most . . . Now that's serfdom. A plague o' both your houses! If the Republicans turn the rest of us into serfs they'll still have to provide basic welfare provision to the unwashed masses if they're to avoid revolution. If the Democrats get everybody dependent on government assistance you can bet your sweet ass the Democrat politicians and hangers-on will safeguard their own privileges and wealth. Can't you see that the apparent opposition masks a shared goal: the politicians win; we're screwed. Écrasez l'infâme! ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: So you would prefer to keep all your income and pay toll roads, pay a company for fire protection, pay out of pocket for your medical care? If you've been paying attention, those here who have Single Payer healthcare have indicated it isn't free but it is far less than you're getting rooked with our private healthcare system. On 10/08/2013 05:47 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Sooner or later, it's anybody that pays income tax. From: Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Why the Debt Ceiling Matters By other people's money do you mean the wealth hoarders like the Koch's, the Waltons, etc? On 10/08/2013 11:41 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: Yeah, I've been saying pretty much the same thing about Democrats. Get everybody dependent on government assistance and they'll vote for whoever offers them the most or vote against anyone that threatens that assistance. Now that's serfdom. However, sooner or later, you run out of other peoples money to control the serfs with. From: Bhairitu mailto:noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Why the Debt Ceiling Matters I've been saying for years that the Republicans want to trash the economy so that they and their cronies can buy it for pennies on the dollar and turn the rest of us into serfs. On 10/08/2013 09:54 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote: The Tea Party doesn't appear to care for the welfare of the American economic system just so long as Obamacare is defunded. Why do they take the risk of toppling down the entire country for the sake of their ideology? Something doesn't smell right. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/08/opinion/nocera-why-the-debt-ceiling-matters.html?src=rechp_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/08/opinion/nocera-why-the-debt-ceiling-matters.html?src=rechp_r=0
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?
Pleasant Hill, Half hour silent meditation twice a day and daily group Meissner Effect [ME] meditations http://www.shakervillageky.org/ http://www.shakervillageky.org/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Whittier, Iowa Hicksite Quakers, National Registry of Historic Places; Settlement era Iowa Meissner Effect [ME] Group Meditation: https://sites.google.com/site/ffhamfampage/clients/whittier-quaker-meeting-house https://sites.google.com/site/ffhamfampage/clients/whittier-quaker-meeting-house ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Zoar http://www.ohiohistory.org/museums-and-historic-sites/museum--historic-sites-by-name/zoar-village http://www.ohiohistory.org/museums-and-historic-sites/museum--historic-sites-by-name/zoar-village ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ] ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: In a coming future, meditating Fairfield, Iowa very likely shall also come to be on the National Registry of Historic Places along with other important spiritual practice communities of American and Western history. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Going forward meditating Fairfield, Iowa is blazing still its contemporary and revolutionary commentary on 21st Century materialism and spiritual and religious American community. Jai Brahmananda Saraswati! -Buck, in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, meditating Fairfield as a spiritual practice community was never conceived an amusement park. Even right now it is a living artifact of 20th Century American spiritual experience and community. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Feste37 makes a very important distinction here. Fairfield clearly is even now a historic American pietist spiritual practice community rooted in the practices of Quietism. -Buck Feste37 writes, “Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/ http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?
Pleasant Hill, Half hour silent meditation twice a day and daily group Meissner Effect [ME] meditations http://www.shakervillageky.org/ http://www.shakervillageky.org/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Whittier, Iowa Hicksite Quakers, National Registry of Historic Places; Settlement era Iowa Meissner Effect [ME] Group Meditation: https://sites.google.com/site/ffhamfampage/clients/whittier-quaker-meeting-house https://sites.google.com/site/ffhamfampage/clients/whittier-quaker-meeting-house ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Zoar http://www.ohiohistory.org/museums-and-historic-sites/museum--historic-sites-by-name/zoar-village http://www.ohiohistory.org/museums-and-historic-sites/museum--historic-sites-by-name/zoar-village ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ] ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: In a coming future, meditating Fairfield, Iowa very likely shall also come to be on the National Registry of Historic Places along with other important spiritual practice communities of American and Western history. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Going forward meditating Fairfield, Iowa is blazing still its contemporary and revolutionary commentary on 21st Century materialism and spiritual and religious American community. Jai Brahmananda Saraswati! -Buck, in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, meditating Fairfield as a spiritual practice community was never conceived an amusement park. Even right now it is a living artifact of 20th Century American spiritual experience and community. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Feste37 makes a very important distinction here. Fairfield clearly is even now a historic American pietist spiritual practice community rooted in the practices of Quietism. -Buck Feste37 writes, “Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/ http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/
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Brook Farm http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/dcr/parks/boston/brookfarmbrochure.pdf http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/dcr/parks/boston/brookfarmbrochure.pdf ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Pleasant Hill, Half hour silent meditation twice a day and daily group Meissner Effect [ME] meditations http://www.shakervillageky.org/ http://www.shakervillageky.org/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Whittier, Iowa Hicksite Quakers, National Registry of Historic Places; Settlement era Iowa Meissner Effect [ME] Group Meditation: https://sites.google.com/site/ffhamfampage/clients/whittier-quaker-meeting-house https://sites.google.com/site/ffhamfampage/clients/whittier-quaker-meeting-house ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Zoar http://www.ohiohistory.org/museums-and-historic-sites/museum--historic-sites-by-name/zoar-village http://www.ohiohistory.org/museums-and-historic-sites/museum--historic-sites-by-name/zoar-village ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ] ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: In a coming future, meditating Fairfield, Iowa very likely shall also come to be on the National Registry of Historic Places along with other important spiritual practice communities of American and Western history. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Going forward meditating Fairfield, Iowa is blazing still its contemporary and revolutionary commentary on 21st Century materialism and spiritual and religious American community. Jai Brahmananda Saraswati! -Buck, in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, meditating Fairfield as a spiritual practice community was never conceived an amusement park. Even right now it is a living artifact of 20th Century American spiritual experience and community. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Feste37 makes a very important distinction here. Fairfield clearly is even now a historic American pietist spiritual practice community rooted in the practices of Quietism. -Buck Feste37 writes, “Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/ http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/
[FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?
Nicely put. It reminds me of something I wanted to say about awoelflebater's post on another thread (power naps): Now, these long-term, incessant meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes.: We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm! ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ]
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?
Amana Colonies Long Meissner Effect group meditations every day. http://amanacolonies.com/pages/about-amana-colonies/history.php http://amanacolonies.com/pages/about-amana-colonies/history.php ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Brook Farm http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/dcr/parks/boston/brookfarmbrochure.pdf http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/dcr/parks/boston/brookfarmbrochure.pdf ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Pleasant Hill, Half hour silent meditation twice a day and daily group Meissner Effect [ME] meditations http://www.shakervillageky.org/ http://www.shakervillageky.org/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Whittier, Iowa Hicksite Quakers, National Registry of Historic Places; Settlement era Iowa Meissner Effect [ME] Group Meditation: https://sites.google.com/site/ffhamfampage/clients/whittier-quaker-meeting-house https://sites.google.com/site/ffhamfampage/clients/whittier-quaker-meeting-house ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Zoar http://www.ohiohistory.org/museums-and-historic-sites/museum--historic-sites-by-name/zoar-village http://www.ohiohistory.org/museums-and-historic-sites/museum--historic-sites-by-name/zoar-village ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ] ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: In a coming future, meditating Fairfield, Iowa very likely shall also come to be on the National Registry of Historic Places along with other important spiritual practice communities of American and Western history. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Going forward meditating Fairfield, Iowa is blazing still its contemporary and revolutionary commentary on 21st Century materialism and spiritual and religious American community. Jai Brahmananda Saraswati! -Buck, in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, meditating Fairfield as a spiritual practice community was never conceived an amusement park. Even right now it is a living artifact of 20th Century American spiritual experience and community. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Feste37 makes a very important distinction here. Fairfield clearly is even now a historic American pietist spiritual practice community rooted in the practices of Quietism. -Buck Feste37 writes, “Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/ http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?
Other Meissner Effect [ME] group meditators... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Amana Colonies Long Meissner Effect group meditations every day. http://amanacolonies.com/pages/about-amana-colonies/history.php http://amanacolonies.com/pages/about-amana-colonies/history.php ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Brook Farm http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/dcr/parks/boston/brookfarmbrochure.pdf http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/dcr/parks/boston/brookfarmbrochure.pdf ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Pleasant Hill, Half hour silent meditation twice a day and daily group Meissner Effect [ME] meditations http://www.shakervillageky.org/ http://www.shakervillageky.org/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Whittier, Iowa Hicksite Quakers, National Registry of Historic Places; Settlement era Iowa Meissner Effect [ME] Group Meditation: https://sites.google.com/site/ffhamfampage/clients/whittier-quaker-meeting-house https://sites.google.com/site/ffhamfampage/clients/whittier-quaker-meeting-house ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Zoar http://www.ohiohistory.org/museums-and-historic-sites/museum--historic-sites-by-name/zoar-village http://www.ohiohistory.org/museums-and-historic-sites/museum--historic-sites-by-name/zoar-village ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ] ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: In a coming future, meditating Fairfield, Iowa very likely shall also come to be on the National Registry of Historic Places along with other important spiritual practice communities of American and Western history. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Going forward meditating Fairfield, Iowa is blazing still its contemporary and revolutionary commentary on 21st Century materialism and spiritual and religious American community. Jai Brahmananda Saraswati! -Buck, in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, meditating Fairfield as a spiritual practice community was never conceived an amusement park. Even right now it is a living artifact of 20th Century American spiritual experience and community. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Feste37 makes a very important distinction here. Fairfield clearly is even now a historic American pietist spiritual practice community rooted in the practices of Quietism. -Buck Feste37 writes, “Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/ http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/
[FairfieldLife] So You Can All Relax Now
http://http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/Dozens+mental+disorders+exist/9011120/story.html http://http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/Dozens+mental+disorders+exist/9011120/story.html
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TM and Quietist Pietistic [meditating] Fairfield, Iowa in companion as with other historic places like for instance on the Registry of National Historic Places, organized here A to Z.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Other Meissner Effect [ME] group meditators... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Amana Colonies Long Meissner Effect group meditations every day. http://amanacolonies.com/pages/about-amana-colonies/history.php http://amanacolonies.com/pages/about-amana-colonies/history.php ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Brook Farm http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/dcr/parks/boston/brookfarmbrochure.pdf http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/dcr/parks/boston/brookfarmbrochure.pdf ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Pleasant Hill, Half hour silent meditation twice a day and daily group Meissner Effect [ME] meditations http://www.shakervillageky.org/ http://www.shakervillageky.org/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Whittier, Iowa Hicksite Quakers, National Registry of Historic Places; Settlement era Iowa Meissner Effect [ME] Group Meditation: https://sites.google.com/site/ffhamfampage/clients/whittier-quaker-meeting-house https://sites.google.com/site/ffhamfampage/clients/whittier-quaker-meeting-house ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Zoar http://www.ohiohistory.org/museums-and-historic-sites/museum--historic-sites-by-name/zoar-village http://www.ohiohistory.org/museums-and-historic-sites/museum--historic-sites-by-name/zoar-village ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ] ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: In a coming future, meditating Fairfield, Iowa very likely shall also come to be on the National Registry of Historic Places along with other important spiritual practice communities of American and Western history. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Going forward meditating Fairfield, Iowa is blazing still its contemporary and revolutionary commentary on 21st Century materialism and spiritual and religious American community. Jai Brahmananda Saraswati! -Buck, in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, meditating Fairfield as a spiritual practice community was never conceived an amusement park. Even right now it is a living artifact of 20th Century American spiritual experience and community. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Feste37 makes a very important distinction here. Fairfield clearly is even now a historic American pietist spiritual practice community rooted in the practices of Quietism. -Buck Feste37 writes, “Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/ http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/
[FairfieldLife] RE: So You Can All Relax Now
Typical, I add a link and it clicks but takes you nowhere. You'll have to just do it the hard way: http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/Dozens+mental+disorders+exist/9011120/story.html BTW, I was given a preview of some new 'look' on neo today on my computer at work. It is quite different from the one we have all been using the last few weeks. It seems much better...but we'll see. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: http://http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/Dozens+mental+disorders+exist/9011120/story.html http://http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/Dozens+mental+disorders+exist/9011120/story.html
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Chinese Explorer Discovered America?
A Chinese discovered America? In an opium dream maybe. Dr John Dee, astrologer to Queen Elizabeth I, made a formal claim to North America on the back of a map drawn in 1577, noting that c.1494 (three years before Italian John Cabot) Mr Robert Thorn and Mr Eliot of Bristow, discovered Newfound Land. In his Title Royal of 1580, John Dee invented the claim that Madog ab Owain Gwynedd had discovered America, with the intention of ensuring that England's claim to the New World was stronger than that of Spain. You Yanks are the sorcerer's bitches. Can we have our country back please? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And sailors from India may have populated South America in the first millennia when they were blown off coarse. Sorta explains the temple you find there. On 10/08/2013 05:15 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote: In a new book, an author claims it to be true. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/chinese-explorer-may-have-discovered-america-before-columbus--according-to-new-book-201051307.html http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/chinese-explorer-may-have-discovered-america-before-columbus--according-to-new-book-201051307.html
[FairfieldLife] new format sucks
That's right - it does
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: So You Can All Relax Now
The new format stinks - try out a few things and see - for one thing, when you compose a new message, you can no longer have the address show up in your To field by typing the first letter, you have to type in the entire address now. On Wed, 10/9/13, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: So You Can All Relax Now To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 3:22 AM Typical, I add a link and it clicks but takes you nowhere. You'll have to just do it the hard way: http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/Dozens+mental+disorders+exist/9011120/story.html BTW, I was given a preview of some new 'look' on neo today on my computer at work. It is quite different from the one we have all been using the last few weeks. It seems much better...but we'll see. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: http://http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/Dozens+mental+disorders+exist/9011120/story.html
