[FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Someone recently told me that Marshy referred to Nader as Ram reincarnated, is that true? It's true that Marshy spoke astounding amounts of crap that, even if any of it was possible, he couldn't possibly have known about. But I never heard him actually say this one. Maybe I just nodded off during the weight in gold moment or the 96 hour introduction to his book of discoveries about human physiology.
[FairfieldLife] Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS
An official stated it was accidental. But one wonders if it was intentional or just incompetence. This also reveals a serious weakness of the Iraqi security forces. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/isis-iraqi-air-force_n_5908864.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp0592 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/isis-iraqi-air-force_n_5908864.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp0592
[FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celetial
I think the difference is the same as that between fairies and pixies... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : So, Share how do you determine whether the astral and the celestial actually exist, and then, if they do, how do you determine their vibrational spectrum? How do you determine they have a vibrational spectrum; what is that anyway? —An ignorant bystander. Now there are some who think there is an asstral and a celestial. The uptight ones (the moralists) think they are poles apart, while the others think they go together quite nicely. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Fleetwood, you initially said that the astral and the celestial are the same thing. I don't agree with that. Nor do I agree that they are the same vibrational spectrum. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:58 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: How is what you say, any different, from what I said? The astral and celestial are in the same realm, same vibrational spectrum, like our earthly light covers a spectrum of different colors, though different neighborhoods. Yes, the beings in the celestial neighborhoods are always the good guys. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, I have a different understanding and experience wrt this. What I've heard is that in the celestial realm the beings are benevolent towards humanity; in the astral realm, some are and some are not. e On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:36 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Just to clarify, Share, the celestial and astral are the same thing - It depends on the consciousness, where a person naturally ends up (later, you go anywhere you want to)- Satvic equals Celestial, and the rest is what people call the astral. It is simply a layer of life, like ours, where vibrational frequencies are higher, and always evident, like the television broadcasts passing through the atmosphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Clarity is the key - Since our vision doesn't operate the same way in the astral, we need a lot of light, to go there. The way Maharishi taught the Siddhis, with TM practice preceding the sutras, gives us the protection, to over time, explore any place we desire to go. Separating out the imagination, traveling outside the common boundaries of time and space, and dealing with tricksters, are two things to be aware of, should the astral prove appealing. Knowledge, and power, *always* come with an equal share of responsibility. Enjoy your travels! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He is a Channel, Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. No doubt there is a lot of executive communication that occurs privately, and necessarily so.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
Isn't it fascinating the crap that people believe because the person they consider their spiritual teacher said it? Or even if they've only heard fifth-hand that he *might* have said it? I'm back to that moment I mentioned before jokingly -- being able someday to figure out the neurophysiology of That Moment in which the human brain says to itself, Well, the stuff this teacher has said to me so far seems to be true, therefore I am going to 'suspend disbelief' forever and believe that *everything* he ever says to me again is true as well. THAT would be an interesting phenomenon to quantify. W.r.t. to telling someone stuff about their past lives, there is an Absolute Requirement that the person 'suspend disbelief' and believe that the teacher *could* possibly know something about this thing he rationally couldn't possibly know anything about. Besides, when it comes to 'past lives,' everyone *wants to believe* that what they're being told is true, as long as the past personage is cool enough. ( That's why you've got so many Newagers who claim to be Cleopatra and so few claiming to be Cleopatra's manicurist. :-) I remember one time when the Fred Lenz - Rama guy did that to me, and I called him on it. We were on one of our field trips, this time I think i the Louvre in Paris -- no guided tours or anything, just 100 or so Rama students wandering around the galleries, sometimes running into him, sometimes not. So I found myself in this Egyptian room looking down at a glass exhibit that contained a sarcophagus and a well-preserved body. I was quite taken with the bones of this guy's face, and was standing there looking at it when Rama walked up behind me, looked down, and said, Yep, that was you, all right. Naturally, I was all ego-d out for a second, but then for some reason I caught myself and turned to him and said, Your're just fucking with me, right? He seemed shocked for an instant that anyone would actually doubt his Holy Word, but then laughed and said, Right, and turned to walk away. But then he turned back and said, You're really the guy over there in that other case across the room, and laughed again. Great moment. *Of course* there was no rational way he could have known who I was in a 'past life.' But that didn't matter to me because for that one instant I *wanted* to be more self-important, and to have been some Pharoah back in Egypt. I mention it because whether Maharishi ever said this about King Tony or not, the same dynamics could have been in play. Who wouldn't want to be told that you're the reincarnation of a god? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAXnikgHTK0 People will believe anything that makes them feel more important. If they've gotten to the point in their self discovery where they gain most of their personal sense of self-worth from the teacher they study with, they'll also believe anything that seems to make that teacher seem more important. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 8:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Someone recently told me that Marshy referred to Nader as Ram reincarnated, is that true? It's true that Marshy spoke astounding amounts of crap that, even if any of it was possible, he couldn't possibly have known about. But I never heard him actually say this one. Maybe I just nodded off during the weight in gold moment or the 96 hour introduction to his book of discoveries about human physiology.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celetial
Exactly. Both of which (fairies and pixies) the two people claiming to be knowledgeable about the asstral (sic) and the celestial probably believe in. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 9:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celetial I think the difference is the same as that between fairies and pixies... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : So, Share how do you determine whether the astral and the celestial actually exist, and then, if they do, how do you determine their vibrational spectrum? How do you determine they have a vibrational spectrum; what is that anyway? —An ignorant bystander. Now there are some who think there is an asstral and a celestial. The uptight ones (the moralists) think they are poles apart, while the others think they go together quite nicely. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Fleetwood, you initially said that the astral and the celestial are the same thing. I don't agree with that. Nor do I agree that they are the same vibrational spectrum. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:58 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: How is what you say, any different, from what I said? The astral and celestial are in the same realm, same vibrational spectrum, like our earthly light covers a spectrum of different colors, though different neighborhoods. Yes, the beings in the celestial neighborhoods are always the good guys. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, I have a different understanding and experience wrt this. What I've heard is that in the celestial realm the beings are benevolent towards humanity; in the astral realm, some are and some are not. e On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:36 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Just to clarify, Share, the celestial and astral are the same thing - It depends on the consciousness, where a person naturally ends up (later, you go anywhere you want to)- Satvic equals Celestial, and the rest is what people call the astral. It is simply a layer of life, like ours, where vibrational frequencies are higher, and always evident, like the television broadcasts passing through the atmosphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Clarity is the key - Since our vision doesn't operate the same way in the astral, we need a lot of light, to go there. The way Maharishi taught the Siddhis, with TM practice preceding the sutras, gives us the protection, to over time, explore any place we desire to go. Separating out the imagination, traveling outside the common boundaries of time and space, and dealing with tricksters, are two things to be aware of, should the astral prove appealing. Knowledge, and power, *always* come with an equal share of responsibility. Enjoy your travels! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He is a Channel, Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
I know from someone who was in a position to know that Jerry Jarvis was seen several months ago at a recording session for ZZ Top. Perhaps he was asking Billy Gibbons for tips for his upcoming band Jerry and the Channelers. :-) From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th Ya nailed it, Curtis. Hey, wouldn't it just be a total gas if Jerry was making a power play here, by validating this channeler guy, and hoo boy, there goes another hunk of the faithful -- hunk of what's left, that is, on the corpse, after every vulture that could wing into town has picked clean all the wavering believers from off the movement's carrion. But there must be many TBers who still yet count themselves better knowers of reality than the rajas, and Jerry and the Channelers might just be a road-act with a bullet that can knock The Vedic Goons off the Pop 40 charts. What has NOT happened in the crazy saga so far, right? Jerry waltzing off with a thousand FFers like the Pied Piper is what. From Maharishi through a channeler who sits on Jerry's ventriloquistic lap -- WHAT IS NOT TO FUCKING LOVE ABOUT THAT? ! ! ! I'd pay a hundred bucks for balcony seats. It's Jerry's retirement plan!
[FairfieldLife] File - FFL Acronyms
BC - Brahman Consciousness BN - Bliss Ninny or Bliss Nazi CC - Cosmic Consciousness GC - God Consciousness MMY - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi OTP - Off the Program - a phrase used in the TM movement meaning to do something (such as see another spiritual teacher) considered in violation of Maharishi's program. POV - Point of View SBS - Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Maharishi's master SCI Science of Creative Intelligence SOC - State of Consciousness SSRS - Sri Sri Ravi Shankar (Pundit-ji) SV - Stpathya Ved (Vedic Architecture) TB - True Believer (in TM doctrines) TNB - True Non-Believer TMO - The Transcendental Meditation organization TTC TM Teacher Training Course UC - Unity Consciousness WYMS - World Youth Meditation Society later changed to World Youth Movement for the Science of Creative Intelligence was founded by Peter Hübner in Germany, as a national TM outlet competing with SIMS, Students International Meditation Society YMMV = Your Mileage may vary To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo Groups is subject to: https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Casting Fairfield Meditators in Film
Black Canaries A film situated in 1903 Iowa Coal Mining Black Canaries - UIowa MFA Thesis Film https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jkreitzer/black-canaries-uiowa-mfa-thesis-film https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jkreitzer/black-canaries-uiowa-mfa-thesis-film Black Canaries - UIowa MFA Thesis Film https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jkreitzer/black-canaries-uiowa-mfa-thesis-film A 1900s coal mining folktale inspired by filmmaker Jesse Kreitzer's maternal ancestors. View on www.kickstarter.com https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jkreitzer/black-canaries-uiowa-mfa-thesis-film Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its Jerry's stamp of approval on this that is really generating such interest - his affiliation is giving the Movement the heebie jeebies M: True Dat! Much though the power structure hates it, Jerry was the voice of sanity for a lot of us and so it isn't like Charley Lutes (may the Lord of the universe, the local universe that is...rest his wacky soul) is supporting this guy. So right on the heels of Maharishi's death bringing the movement together and inviting guys like Jerry back to the fold, they have to turn around and show him the door again! I would feel sorry for the guy but I think he is used to it by now and has been thrown out of movements by a lot more impressive dudes than John. (I'm talking to you pre-disembodied MMY!) If he is now dismissing Jerry as a crank too, what does this say about his faith in Maharishi's masterhoodednessintudiment? If he couldn't put Jerry in a state beyond being hoodwinked where does that leave the rank and file dozing in the dome person? Kinda screwed I'd say. Treating Jerry like a drunk uncle late on Thanksgiving night is a huge blow to the whole premise of the thing. I need to do some research in the archives about after Maharishi's death when Beven and others were saying some crazy stuff about where Maharishi was now. I think it would be interesting to spell out the movement beliefs about Maharishi after death. My memory (because I brought up the same WTF argument on FFL then that I did more recently) is that Bevan went on and on about Maharishi being in heaven with all the angels and/or said that he was now the greatest saint among all the saints in Brahmaloka. I brought it up at the time because during his lifetime Maharishi had been quite clear that in his view there was *no possibility* of personality or individuality existing after an enlightened person dies. It struck me strange that here is one of his prime devotees *ignoring* that teaching completely, and claiming that he was how in heaven, individuality completely intact. I'm gunna have to hold my own biases in check a bit and see if I can do justice to something, which if true, would put a nice size 14 wingtip shoe up the ass of my own perspective on how life works. But I can't pretend that my first reaction is not to just assume that Jerry has been fooled as many before him by a language form used by all good psychics that cleverly lets him fill in the details and feel as if they have been revealed to him. And that doesn't mean that George is being insincere either. They could both be in what the French call a Fole a deux, the madness two people can generate together.(Think Kim and Kanye) My bet is that Jerry has been fooled by George's sincerity (he obviously believes that he received such a message) and by his (as you say) language form when describing it. There is probably stuff in George's proposed content of the message that appeals to him, too. But that's where I think the whole schtick falls apart. Let's analyze George's outline for the message and weigh it against what we know about Maharishi: Maharishi’s Explanations of: 1) How two major spiritual traditions, the Vedic and the Judeo-Christian-Islamic, developed over the last 5,000 years OK, this is the first big tell that this is stuff that George *wanted* to hear and so made up in his mind. It's the kind of stuff *he's* hung up on and writes books about. But Maharishi has *never* been known to know much of *anything* about the Judeo-Christian-Islamic traditions, and has only embarrassed himself in the past when he tried to pretend such knowledge. As for his knowledge of the Vedic tradition, I think it's fair to point out that almost everything he's said about it being such a perfect age contradicts pretty much everything ever said by scholars who have investigated the actual Vedic era. It was a period in which wars were prevalent everywhere (and constitute most of the content of Vedic literature), and in which the average lifespan was about 33 years old. Hardly the heaven on earth MMY portrayed it as. So I'm bettin' that the message will be completely, 100% made-up bullshit from George's imagination, and have nothing whatsoever to do with anything MMY ever taught. That said, many TM TBs will never notice, and will believe it anyway. 2) The many roles Maharishi played in those developments Pure ego-pandering. Tell the rubes even more made-up stories about how important Maharishi was in *past* history, because they already believe a ton of bullshit about how important he was in recent history. That said, I can't wait to hear George's tales of how Maharishi claims to have been the original Burning Bush and to have walked on water beside Jesus. And I will be curious as to whether Maharishi will be demanding from beyond the grave that
[FairfieldLife] Re: Casting Fairfield Meditators in Film
A project coming through the U. of Iowa Film School the casting for this film has tapped into the acting talent of the Fairfield meditating community. Initially I received an e-mail wondering and asking if our harmony singing group Prairie Harmony Shape Note Singing | Fairfield Folk Arts Dance Co-op http://fairfolk.org/prairieharmony http://fairfolk.org/prairieharmony Prairie Harmony Shape Note Singing | Fairfield Folk Arts... http://fairfolk.org/prairieharmony The Bentonsport Sessions: Live and Natural We offer here live performances of songs that our group of 14 singers has come to love over the past 15 years we... View on fairfolk.org http://fairfolk.org/prairieharmony Preview by Yahoo ..could portray a church scene of 1903 coal miners in Sunday church within the film by singing the material we usually sing in our group. As we got to know the project I suggested the film-maker send down a casting-call to drop in to the Fairfield acting community. Within a moment they received a number of resumes from people down here in Fairfield. From about 40 years of theatre community in meditating Fairfield there is quite a pool of crafted acting talent here which people outside of Fairfield may not know about. The U. of Iowa was impressed and has fleshed out the film casting a number characters from Fairfield in to the film. This film is becoming a Fairfield community project as such. Black Canaries A film situated in 1903 Iowa Coal Mining Black Canaries - UIowa MFA Thesis Film https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jkreitzer/black-canaries-uiowa-mfa-thesis-film https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jkreitzer/black-canaries-uiowa-mfa-thesis-film Black Canaries - UIowa MFA Thesis Film https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jkreitzer/black-canaries-uiowa-mfa-thesis-film A 1900s coal mining folktale inspired by filmmaker Jesse Kreitzer's maternal ancestors. View on www.kickstarter.com https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jkreitzer/black-canaries-uiowa-mfa-thesis-film Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celetial
salyavin, I hear that everyone in Ireland believes in such. And I'm 50% Irish. Must be in my genes (-: On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 2:45 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Exactly. Both of which (fairies and pixies) the two people claiming to be knowledgeable about the asstral (sic) and the celestial probably believe in. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 9:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celetial I think the difference is the same as that between fairies and pixies... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : So, Share how do you determine whether the astral and the celestial actually exist, and then, if they do, how do you determine their vibrational spectrum? How do you determine they have a vibrational spectrum; what is that anyway? —An ignorant bystander. Now there are some who think there is an asstral and a celestial. The uptight ones (the moralists) think they are poles apart, while the others think they go together quite nicely. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Fleetwood, you initially said that the astral and the celestial are the same thing. I don't agree with that. Nor do I agree that they are the same vibrational spectrum. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:58 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: How is what you say, any different, from what I said? The astral and celestial are in the same realm, same vibrational spectrum, like our earthly light covers a spectrum of different colors, though different neighborhoods. Yes, the beings in the celestial neighborhoods are always the good guys. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, I have a different understanding and experience wrt this. What I've heard is that in the celestial realm the beings are benevolent towards humanity; in the astral realm, some are and some are not. e On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:36 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Just to clarify, Share, the celestial and astral are the same thing - It depends on the consciousness, where a person naturally ends up (later, you go anywhere you want to)- Satvic equals Celestial, and the rest is what people call the astral. It is simply a layer of life, like ours, where vibrational frequencies are higher, and always evident, like the television broadcasts passing through the atmosphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Clarity is the key - Since our vision doesn't operate the same way in the astral, we need a lot of light, to go there. The way Maharishi taught the Siddhis, with TM practice preceding the sutras, gives us the protection, to over time, explore any place we desire to go. Separating out the imagination, traveling outside the common boundaries of time and space, and dealing with tricksters, are two things to be aware of, should the astral prove appealing. Knowledge, and power, *always* come with an equal share of responsibility. Enjoy your travels! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He is a Channel, Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Tinfoil hat time!
Richard, conspiracy, terrorism or neither, we now have Patient Zero in the US. Forget Alaska! Yahoo had the following article on page 1 this morning: Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself from an uncontrolled Ebola outbreak Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself fr... Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself from an uncontrolled Ebola outbreak View on www.naturalnews.com Preview by Yahoo On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:15 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 9/30/2014 7:46 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Bhairitu, I never thought of PTSD in the context of such events. But of course it makes perfect sense. Plus, spin meisters can use any situation, such as the ebola outbreak, to engender fear in people. The current Ebola conspiracy story is probably being perpetrated by the same group that spun the 9/11 WTC conspiracy story. But, if the WTC was a conspiracy, then the Ebola conspiracy may be true as well, in which case we should probably move to Alaska where there are no people or tall buildings. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:48 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: To me 9-11 appears to be the first Shock and Awe operation for the endless war campaign. It gave much of the public PTSD. Recently I witnessed a much smaller version of that with the recent earthquake we had here. People were out-of-sorts for days. I'm amused at the reactions I'm getting here and after all you started this this thread. :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: But Wait! There's More!
True, Richard, no one cares about a drought in the desert. But how you gonna feel when a tomato from California costs $5?! On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:19 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : I've been wondering and have even commented if the California Drought could possibly be a result of a weather war. For those who have been sleeping, weather modification has been going on for some time. There is even a movie (available on Netflix WI), The Colony starring Laurence Fishburne, which is about a post-apocalyptic future where the attempt to modify the weather to end climate disruption resulted in an eternal winter. For your entertainment here is a video (part 1 of several) that proposes that recent low pressure areas that would have brought rain to the west coast were disrupted possibly using weather control devices. http://youtu.be/_57_zuaAgfo Enjoy! On 9/30/2014 9:07 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Although fascinating I hope you don't lose any sleep over this. The California drought is probably just a conspiracy.There's no drought, it's just that there is no rain out there.If there was a drought out in the desert, would anybody care?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Thanks for explaining, Fleetwood. This makes sense to me. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:58 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I am not trying to equivocate the two. Yes, they are different, but the mechanism for sensing each, is the same. The mechanics are the same, in either case, although the celestial I engage naturally, vs. the astral, which happened along, as a side interest. Both worlds if you will, can be accessed equally - all possibilities. However, by my many years of TM and the Siddhis, when this field began to open up, I was naturally drawn to the celestial, vs. the astral - though both are tuned in by the same process, discrimination, at the finest level of the senses. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, 2 different spiritual teachers for whom I have a lot of respect both differentiate between the astral and celestial realms. AND this is how the two realms feel to me. I experience them as different from each other. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 4:00 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Sure, but WHY do you disagree? That's where the meaty stuff is...:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, you initially said that the astral and the celestial are the same thing. I don't agree with that. Nor do I agree that they are the same vibrational spectrum. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:58 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: How is what you say, any different, from what I said? The astral and celestial are in the same realm, same vibrational spectrum, like our earthly light covers a spectrum of different colors, though different neighborhoods. Yes, the beings in the celestial neighborhoods are always the good guys. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, I have a different understanding and experience wrt this. What I've heard is that in the celestial realm the beings are benevolent towards humanity; in the astral realm, some are and some are not. e On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:36 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Just to clarify, Share, the celestial and astral are the same thing - It depends on the consciousness, where a person naturally ends up (later, you go anywhere you want to)- Satvic equals Celestial, and the rest is what people call the astral. It is simply a layer of life, like ours, where vibrational frequencies are higher, and always evident, like the television broadcasts passing through the atmosphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Clarity is the key - Since our vision doesn't operate the same way in the astral, we need a lot of light, to go there. The way Maharishi taught the Siddhis, with TM practice preceding the sutras, gives us the protection, to over time, explore any place we desire to go. Separating out the imagination, traveling outside the common boundaries of time and space, and dealing with tricksters, are two things to be aware of, should the astral prove appealing. Knowledge, and power, *always* come with an equal share of responsibility. Enjoy your travels! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He is a Channel, Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting -
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
On 10/1/2014 1:41 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Someone recently told me that Marshy referred to Nader as Ram reincarnated, is that true? It's true that Marshy spoke astounding amounts of crap that, even if any of it was possible, he couldn't possibly have known about. But I never heard him actually say this one. Maybe I just nodded off during the weight in gold moment or the 96 hour introduction to his book of discoveries about human physiology. /There is some doubt that either of you ever heard or were in the presence of MMY to hear him speak, whether nodded or not. Go figure./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celetial
What about the leprechauns? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 3:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celetial I think the difference is the same as that between fairies and pixies... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : So, Share how do you determine whether the astral and the celestial actually exist, and then, if they do, how do you determine their vibrational spectrum? How do you determine they have a vibrational spectrum; what is that anyway? —An ignorant bystander. Now there are some who think there is an asstral and a celestial. The uptight ones (the moralists) think they are poles apart, while the others think they go together quite nicely. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Fleetwood, you initially said that the astral and the celestial are the same thing. I don't agree with that. Nor do I agree that they are the same vibrational spectrum. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:58 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: How is what you say, any different, from what I said? The astral and celestial are in the same realm, same vibrational spectrum, like our earthly light covers a spectrum of different colors, though different neighborhoods. Yes, the beings in the celestial neighborhoods are always the good guys. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, I have a different understanding and experience wrt this. What I've heard is that in the celestial realm the beings are benevolent towards humanity; in the astral realm, some are and some are not. e On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:36 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Just to clarify, Share, the celestial and astral are the same thing - It depends on the consciousness, where a person naturally ends up (later, you go anywhere you want to)- Satvic equals Celestial, and the rest is what people call the astral. It is simply a layer of life, like ours, where vibrational frequencies are higher, and always evident, like the television broadcasts passing through the atmosphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Clarity is the key - Since our vision doesn't operate the same way in the astral, we need a lot of light, to go there. The way Maharishi taught the Siddhis, with TM practice preceding the sutras, gives us the protection, to over time, explore any place we desire to go. Separating out the imagination, traveling outside the common boundaries of time and space, and dealing with tricksters, are two things to be aware of, should the astral prove appealing. Knowledge, and power, *always* come with an equal share of responsibility. Enjoy your travels! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He is a Channel, Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Hi Ann, Your exchange with Dan is interesting - Perhaps the hierarchy thing is easier to understand, from business experience, where communications have more, or less, restrictions, placed on them, intentionally. Despite the way the TMO is
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
If you see buddha on the road, kill him. See Barry, you interpret Rama's words in one way, but they could have been something completely different. I believe you miss the point he was making. No matter, your version serves to embellish the view you carry of yourself of some kind of renegade. As for the rest of your treatise, it does become tiring to read it so often. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Isn't it fascinating the crap that people believe because the person they consider their spiritual teacher said it? Or even if they've only heard fifth-hand that he *might* have said it? I'm back to that moment I mentioned before jokingly -- being able someday to figure out the neurophysiology of That Moment in which the human brain says to itself, Well, the stuff this teacher has said to me so far seems to be true, therefore I am going to 'suspend disbelief' forever and believe that *everything* he ever says to me again is true as well. THAT would be an interesting phenomenon to quantify. W.r.t. to telling someone stuff about their past lives, there is an Absolute Requirement that the person 'suspend disbelief' and believe that the teacher *could* possibly know something about this thing he rationally couldn't possibly know anything about. Besides, when it comes to 'past lives,' everyone *wants to believe* that what they're being told is true, as long as the past personage is cool enough. ( That's why you've got so many Newagers who claim to be Cleopatra and so few claiming to be Cleopatra's manicurist. :-) I remember one time when the Fred Lenz - Rama guy did that to me, and I called him on it. We were on one of our field trips, this time I think i the Louvre in Paris -- no guided tours or anything, just 100 or so Rama students wandering around the galleries, sometimes running into him, sometimes not. So I found myself in this Egyptian room looking down at a glass exhibit that contained a sarcophagus and a well-preserved body. I was quite taken with the bones of this guy's face, and was standing there looking at it when Rama walked up behind me, looked down, and said, Yep, that was you, all right. Naturally, I was all ego-d out for a second, but then for some reason I caught myself and turned to him and said, Your're just fucking with me, right? He seemed shocked for an instant that anyone would actually doubt his Holy Word, but then laughed and said, Right, and turned to walk away. But then he turned back and said, You're really the guy over there in that other case across the room, and laughed again. Great moment. *Of course* there was no rational way he could have known who I was in a 'past life.' But that didn't matter to me because for that one instant I *wanted* to be more self-important, and to have been some Pharoah back in Egypt. I mention it because whether Maharishi ever said this about King Tony or not, the same dynamics could have been in play. Who wouldn't want to be told that you're the reincarnation of a god? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAXnikgHTK0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAXnikgHTK0 People will believe anything that makes them feel more important. If they've gotten to the point in their self discovery where they gain most of their personal sense of self-worth from the teacher they study with, they'll also believe anything that seems to make that teacher seem more important. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 8:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Someone recently told me that Marshy referred to Nader as Ram reincarnated, is that true? It's true that Marshy spoke astounding amounts of crap that, even if any of it was possible, he couldn't possibly have known about. But I never heard him actually say this one. Maybe I just nodded off during the weight in gold moment or the 96 hour introduction to his book of discoveries about human physiology.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
And I will be curious as to whether Maharishi will be demanding from beyond the grave that these religions he played such a role in founding be hereafter known as Maharishi™ Judaism, Maharishi™ Christianity, and Maharishi™ Islam. Turq, sometimes you are brilliant! I got a good laugh out of that one! Now, Hammond has claimed that his presentation has noting to do with restructuring the Movement but...The surprising conclusions he and his friends have reached to effect the spiritual regeneration of the Movement created long ago for the benefit of the human race ??? From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its Jerry's stamp of approval on this that is really generating such interest - his affiliation is giving the Movement the heebie jeebies M: True Dat! Much though the power structure hates it, Jerry was the voice of sanity for a lot of us and so it isn't like Charley Lutes (may the Lord of the universe, the local universe that is...rest his wacky soul) is supporting this guy. So right on the heels of Maharishi's death bringing the movement together and inviting guys like Jerry back to the fold, they have to turn around and show him the door again! I would feel sorry for the guy but I think he is used to it by now and has been thrown out of movements by a lot more impressive dudes than John. (I'm talking to you pre-disembodied MMY!) If he is now dismissing Jerry as a crank too, what does this say about his faith in Maharishi's masterhoodednessintudiment? If he couldn't put Jerry in a state beyond being hoodwinked where does that leave the rank and file dozing in the dome person? Kinda screwed I'd say. Treating Jerry like a drunk uncle late on Thanksgiving night is a huge blow to the whole premise of the thing. I need to do some research in the archives about after Maharishi's death when Beven and others were saying some crazy stuff about where Maharishi was now. I think it would be interesting to spell out the movement beliefs about Maharishi after death. My memory (because I brought up the same WTF argument on FFL then that I did more recently) is that Bevan went on and on about Maharishi being in heaven with all the angels and/or said that he was now the greatest saint among all the saints in Brahmaloka. I brought it up at the time because during his lifetime Maharishi had been quite clear that in his view there was *no possibility* of personality or individuality existing after an enlightened person dies. It struck me strange that here is one of his prime devotees *ignoring* that teaching completely, and claiming that he was how in heaven, individuality completely intact. I'm gunna have to hold my own biases in check a bit and see if I can do justice to something, which if true, would put a nice size 14 wingtip shoe up the ass of my own perspective on how life works. But I can't pretend that my first reaction is not to just assume that Jerry has been fooled as many before him by a language form used by all good psychics that cleverly lets him fill in the details and feel as if they have been revealed to him. And that doesn't mean that George is being insincere either. They could both be in what the French call a Fole a deux, the madness two people can generate together.(Think Kim and Kanye) My bet is that Jerry has been fooled by George's sincerity (he obviously believes that he received such a message) and by his (as you say) language form when describing it. There is probably stuff in George's proposed content of the message that appeals to him, too. But that's where I think the whole schtick falls apart. Let's analyze George's outline for the message and weigh it against what we know about Maharishi: Maharishi’s Explanations of: 1) How two major spiritual traditions, the Vedic and the Judeo-Christian-Islamic, developed over the last 5,000 years OK, this is the first big tell that this is stuff that George *wanted* to hear and so made up in his mind. It's the kind of stuff *he's* hung up on and writes books about. But Maharishi has *never* been known to know much of *anything* about the Judeo-Christian-Islamic traditions, and has only embarrassed himself in the past when he tried to pretend such knowledge. As for his knowledge of the Vedic tradition, I think it's fair to point out that almost everything he's said about it being such a perfect age contradicts pretty much everything ever said by scholars who have investigated the actual Vedic era. It was a period in which wars were prevalent everywhere (and constitute most of the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celetial
Just more hypocrisy from the guy who believes in both God, reincarnation, which by definition includes the celestial and astral realms, but feels compelled to both insult others and kowtow to those on the forum who he considers part of his elite, cool, club. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Exactly. Both of which (fairies and pixies) the two people claiming to be knowledgeable about the asstral (sic) and the celestial probably believe in. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 9:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celetial I think the difference is the same as that between fairies and pixies... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : So, Share how do you determine whether the astral and the celestial actually exist, and then, if they do, how do you determine their vibrational spectrum? How do you determine they have a vibrational spectrum; what is that anyway? —An ignorant bystander. Now there are some who think there is an asstral and a celestial. The uptight ones (the moralists) think they are poles apart, while the others think they go together quite nicely. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Fleetwood, you initially said that the astral and the celestial are the same thing. I don't agree with that. Nor do I agree that they are the same vibrational spectrum. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:58 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: How is what you say, any different, from what I said? The astral and celestial are in the same realm, same vibrational spectrum, like our earthly light covers a spectrum of different colors, though different neighborhoods. Yes, the beings in the celestial neighborhoods are always the good guys. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, I have a different understanding and experience wrt this. What I've heard is that in the celestial realm the beings are benevolent towards humanity; in the astral realm, some are and some are not. e On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:36 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Just to clarify, Share, the celestial and astral are the same thing - It depends on the consciousness, where a person naturally ends up (later, you go anywhere you want to)- Satvic equals Celestial, and the rest is what people call the astral. It is simply a layer of life, like ours, where vibrational frequencies are higher, and always evident, like the television broadcasts passing through the atmosphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Clarity is the key - Since our vision doesn't operate the same way in the astral, we need a lot of light, to go there. The way Maharishi taught the Siddhis, with TM practice preceding the sutras, gives us the protection, to over time, explore any place we desire to go. Separating out the imagination, traveling outside the common boundaries of time and space, and dealing with tricksters, are two things to be aware of, should the astral prove appealing. Knowledge, and power, *always* come with an equal share of responsibility. Enjoy your travels! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He is a Channel, Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/1/2014 1:41 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : Someone recently told me that Marshy referred to Nader as Ram reincarnated, is that true? It's true that Marshy spoke astounding amounts of crap that, even if any of it was possible, he couldn't possibly have known about. But I never heard him actually say this one. Maybe I just nodded off during the weight in gold moment or the 96 hour introduction to his book of discoveries about human physiology. Maharishi selected Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam because: he loves the most There is some doubt that either of you ever heard or were in the presence of MMY to hear him speak, whether nodded or not. Go figure. Maharishi selected There is some doubt that either of you ever heard or were in the presence of MMY to hear him speak, whether nodded or not. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
I didn't read your novella here Barry. You do realize that you are a major, dyed in wool, incorrigible, TM Obsessive. It's not kinda funny. It's actually hilarious, that this is how you choose to spend hours a day. How many hours over the past twenty years in this endeavor, I wonder. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its Jerry's stamp of approval on this that is really generating such interest - his affiliation is giving the Movement the heebie jeebies M: True Dat! Much though the power structure hates it, Jerry was the voice of sanity for a lot of us and so it isn't like Charley Lutes (may the Lord of the universe, the local universe that is...rest his wacky soul) is supporting this guy. So right on the heels of Maharishi's death bringing the movement together and inviting guys like Jerry back to the fold, they have to turn around and show him the door again! I would feel sorry for the guy but I think he is used to it by now and has been thrown out of movements by a lot more impressive dudes than John. (I'm talking to you pre-disembodied MMY!) If he is now dismissing Jerry as a crank too, what does this say about his faith in Maharishi's masterhoodednessintudiment? If he couldn't put Jerry in a state beyond being hoodwinked where does that leave the rank and file dozing in the dome person? Kinda screwed I'd say. Treating Jerry like a drunk uncle late on Thanksgiving night is a huge blow to the whole premise of the thing. I need to do some research in the archives about after Maharishi's death when Beven and others were saying some crazy stuff about where Maharishi was now. I think it would be interesting to spell out the movement beliefs about Maharishi after death. My memory (because I brought up the same WTF argument on FFL then that I did more recently) is that Bevan went on and on about Maharishi being in heaven with all the angels and/or said that he was now the greatest saint among all the saints in Brahmaloka. I brought it up at the time because during his lifetime Maharishi had been quite clear that in his view there was *no possibility* of personality or individuality existing after an enlightened person dies. It struck me strange that here is one of his prime devotees *ignoring* that teaching completely, and claiming that he was how in heaven, individuality completely intact. I'm gunna have to hold my own biases in check a bit and see if I can do justice to something, which if true, would put a nice size 14 wingtip shoe up the ass of my own perspective on how life works. But I can't pretend that my first reaction is not to just assume that Jerry has been fooled as many before him by a language form used by all good psychics that cleverly lets him fill in the details and feel as if they have been revealed to him. And that doesn't mean that George is being insincere either. They could both be in what the French call a Fole a deux, the madness two people can generate together.(Think Kim and Kanye) My bet is that Jerry has been fooled by George's sincerity (he obviously believes that he received such a message) and by his (as you say) language form when describing it. There is probably stuff in George's proposed content of the message that appeals to him, too. But that's where I think the whole schtick falls apart. Let's analyze George's outline for the message and weigh it against what we know about Maharishi: Maharishi’s Explanations of: 1) How two major spiritual traditions, the Vedic and the Judeo-Christian-Islamic, developed over the last 5,000 years OK, this is the first big tell that this is stuff that George *wanted* to hear and so made up in his mind. It's the kind of stuff *he's* hung up on and writes books about. But Maharishi has *never* been known to know much of *anything* about the Judeo-Christian-Islamic traditions, and has only embarrassed himself in the past when he tried to pretend such knowledge. As for his knowledge of the Vedic tradition, I think it's fair to point out that almost everything he's said about it being such a perfect age contradicts pretty much everything ever said by scholars who have investigated the actual Vedic era. It was a period in which wars were prevalent everywhere (and constitute most of the content of Vedic literature), and in which the average lifespan was about 33 years old. Hardly the heaven on earth MMY portrayed it as. So I'm bettin' that the message will be completely, 100% made-up bullshit from George's imagination, and have nothing whatsoever to do with anything MMY ever taught. That said, many TM TBs will never notice, and will believe it anyway. 2) The many roles Maharishi played in those developments Pure ego-pandering. Tell the rubes even more made-up stories about how important Maharishi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proposal, An Amendment to FFL Guidelines:
Richard, I think people get obsessed with persona because of fear. And of course, fear of dying is at the root of all other fears. Good to have compassion for the human condition... On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:37 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 9/29/2014 1:07 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, I like your approach, reply to everyone at least once per day. I exclude people who have said they don't read my posts. We don't really know who is reading our messages - they could say they don't read you but that could be a fib or a cover. I suspect that those who say they don't read your posts are the ones that read every single post. Let's face it - anyone that would take the time to troll here for information would probably read everything - otherwise they could get more information about TM from talking to their next door neighbors or watching TV. Or people who almost never reply to my posts. Except when I want to set the record straight. Most people that become obsessed with reading and replying to discussion groups are very concerned what other informants say about them. There's something about getting their name mentioned in public, even if it's an alias they use online. Most people are obsessed with their own persona.
Re: [FairfieldLife] King Tony's Pedigree
On 9/30/2014 10:09 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Someone recently told me that Marshy referred to Nader as Ram reincarnated, is that true? /Addressing the important issues!/ / //You need to get some smarts - the nickname Ram is a given name popular in South Asia, as in Ram Chandra or Raja Ram Mishra. //Anyone can be given a name like Ram in honor of the devata Ram, a deified hero, popular with Hindus who believe in karma and reincarnation.// // The alias Michael Jackson on the other hand, is an example of a poser who has purloined the name of a dead and talented singer. The name Michael, the given name based on an archangel who is popular with members belonging to the Jehovah's Witnesses, a religious cult popular in South Carolina, who believe in heaven on earth and everlasting hell./ /Have you been in cognitive dissonance all your life or just since you joined FFL?/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS
On 10/1/2014 1:56 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: An official stated it was accidental. But one wonders if it was intentional or just incompetence. This also reveals a serious weakness of the Iraqi security forces. According to what I've read, it's probably not uncommon for incidents like this to occur - supplies and ammunition dropped on the wrong target. Usually this kind of accident is due to human error and basic incompetence. Or, it could be the result of an ISIS sympathizer within the Iraqi Army. Or, it could be a sting operation with spiked ammo as a lure to determine the ISIS exact location. Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/2hxtzh/iraqi_air_force_accidentally_delivers_food_and/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/isis-iraqi-air-force_n_5908864.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp0592
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
Yeah, he seems locked in a one way conflict, with his imagination - Everyone else here has a lot of outside interests, except him. He could probably find the peace that eludes him, with one twenty minute session of TM, coming out refreshed, and with a still mind. Yet, something about TM terrifies him. He likes the surface of the water. A superficial and material life. No diving allowed. Lifeguard on duty. What's on TV? Click, Click, Click. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I didn't read your novella here Barry. You do realize that you are a major, dyed in wool, incorrigible, TM Obsessive. It's not kinda funny. It's actually hilarious, that this is how you choose to spend hours a day. How many hours over the past twenty years in this endeavor, I wonder. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its Jerry's stamp of approval on this that is really generating such interest - his affiliation is giving the Movement the heebie jeebies M: True Dat! Much though the power structure hates it, Jerry was the voice of sanity for a lot of us and so it isn't like Charley Lutes (may the Lord of the universe, the local universe that is...rest his wacky soul) is supporting this guy. So right on the heels of Maharishi's death bringing the movement together and inviting guys like Jerry back to the fold, they have to turn around and show him the door again! I would feel sorry for the guy but I think he is used to it by now and has been thrown out of movements by a lot more impressive dudes than John. (I'm talking to you pre-disembodied MMY!) If he is now dismissing Jerry as a crank too, what does this say about his faith in Maharishi's masterhoodednessintudiment? If he couldn't put Jerry in a state beyond being hoodwinked where does that leave the rank and file dozing in the dome person? Kinda screwed I'd say. Treating Jerry like a drunk uncle late on Thanksgiving night is a huge blow to the whole premise of the thing. I need to do some research in the archives about after Maharishi's death when Beven and others were saying some crazy stuff about where Maharishi was now. I think it would be interesting to spell out the movement beliefs about Maharishi after death. My memory (because I brought up the same WTF argument on FFL then that I did more recently) is that Bevan went on and on about Maharishi being in heaven with all the angels and/or said that he was now the greatest saint among all the saints in Brahmaloka. I brought it up at the time because during his lifetime Maharishi had been quite clear that in his view there was *no possibility* of personality or individuality existing after an enlightened person dies. It struck me strange that here is one of his prime devotees *ignoring* that teaching completely, and claiming that he was how in heaven, individuality completely intact. I'm gunna have to hold my own biases in check a bit and see if I can do justice to something, which if true, would put a nice size 14 wingtip shoe up the ass of my own perspective on how life works. But I can't pretend that my first reaction is not to just assume that Jerry has been fooled as many before him by a language form used by all good psychics that cleverly lets him fill in the details and feel as if they have been revealed to him. And that doesn't mean that George is being insincere either. They could both be in what the French call a Fole a deux, the madness two people can generate together.(Think Kim and Kanye) My bet is that Jerry has been fooled by George's sincerity (he obviously believes that he received such a message) and by his (as you say) language form when describing it. There is probably stuff in George's proposed content of the message that appeals to him, too. But that's where I think the whole schtick falls apart. Let's analyze George's outline for the message and weigh it against what we know about Maharishi: Maharishi’s Explanations of: 1) How two major spiritual traditions, the Vedic and the Judeo-Christian-Islamic, developed over the last 5,000 years OK, this is the first big tell that this is stuff that George *wanted* to hear and so made up in his mind. It's the kind of stuff *he's* hung up on and writes books about. But Maharishi has *never* been known to know much of *anything* about the Judeo-Christian-Islamic traditions, and has only embarrassed himself in the past when he tried to pretend such knowledge. As for his knowledge of the Vedic tradition, I think it's fair to point out that almost everything he's said about it being such a perfect age contradicts pretty much everything ever said by scholars who have investigated the actual Vedic era. It was a period in which wars were prevalent everywhere (and constitute
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Yay! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Thanks for explaining, Fleetwood. This makes sense to me. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:58 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I am not trying to equivocate the two. Yes, they are different, but the mechanism for sensing each, is the same. The mechanics are the same, in either case, although the celestial I engage naturally, vs. the astral, which happened along, as a side interest. Both worlds if you will, can be accessed equally - all possibilities. However, by my many years of TM and the Siddhis, when this field began to open up, I was naturally drawn to the celestial, vs. the astral - though both are tuned in by the same process, discrimination, at the finest level of the senses. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, 2 different spiritual teachers for whom I have a lot of respect both differentiate between the astral and celestial realms. AND this is how the two realms feel to me. I experience them as different from each other. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 4:00 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Sure, but WHY do you disagree? That's where the meaty stuff is...:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, you initially said that the astral and the celestial are the same thing. I don't agree with that. Nor do I agree that they are the same vibrational spectrum. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:58 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: How is what you say, any different, from what I said? The astral and celestial are in the same realm, same vibrational spectrum, like our earthly light covers a spectrum of different colors, though different neighborhoods. Yes, the beings in the celestial neighborhoods are always the good guys. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, I have a different understanding and experience wrt this. What I've heard is that in the celestial realm the beings are benevolent towards humanity; in the astral realm, some are and some are not. e On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:36 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Just to clarify, Share, the celestial and astral are the same thing - It depends on the consciousness, where a person naturally ends up (later, you go anywhere you want to)- Satvic equals Celestial, and the rest is what people call the astral. It is simply a layer of life, like ours, where vibrational frequencies are higher, and always evident, like the television broadcasts passing through the atmosphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Clarity is the key - Since our vision doesn't operate the same way in the astral, we need a lot of light, to go there. The way Maharishi taught the Siddhis, with TM practice preceding the sutras, gives us the protection, to over time, explore any place we desire to go. Separating out the imagination, traveling outside the common boundaries of time and space, and dealing with tricksters, are two things to be aware of, should the astral prove appealing. Knowledge, and power, *always* come with an equal share of responsibility. Enjoy your travels! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He is a Channel, Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: But Wait! There's More!
~80% of California's water goes for agriculture, so yeah, food costs are going up. The last rain put the big fires out, and hoping for more water soon. The coast needs a lot of desalination plants, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : True, Richard, no one cares about a drought in the desert. But how you gonna feel when a tomato from California costs $5?! On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:19 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : I've been wondering and have even commented if the California Drought could possibly be a result of a weather war. For those who have been sleeping, weather modification has been going on for some time. There is even a movie (available on Netflix WI), The Colony starring Laurence Fishburne, which is about a post-apocalyptic future where the attempt to modify the weather to end climate disruption resulted in an eternal winter. For your entertainment here is a video (part 1 of several) that proposes that recent low pressure areas that would have brought rain to the west coast were disrupted possibly using weather control devices. http://youtu.be/_57_zuaAgfo http://youtu.be/_57_zuaAgfo Enjoy! On 9/30/2014 9:07 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Although fascinating I hope you don't lose any sleep over this. The California drought is probably just a conspiracy. There's no drought, it's just that there is no rain out there. If there was a drought out in the desert, would anybody care?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree [1 Attachment]
On 10/1/2014 2:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'm back to that moment I mentioned before jokingly -- being able someday to figure out the neurophysiology of That Moment in which the human brain says to itself, Well, the stuff this teacher has said to me so far seems to be true, therefore I am going to 'suspend disbelief' forever and believe that *everything* he ever says to me again is true as well. /Almost anyone with a brain would realize in minutes that anyone calling themselves the Zen Master Rama was in a state of cognitive dissonance. //Any normal person wouldn't believe anything someone said with a made-up name like that. //Everyone knows that the deified hero Rama was a native of South Asia and that Zen is a popular name for a meditation practice in the Far East. //It would be interesting to figure out at what moment your human brain gave up using common sense. //Go figure./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
On 10/1/2014 2:52 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I know from someone who was in a position to know that Jerry Jarvis was seen several months ago at a recording session for ZZ Top. Perhaps he was asking Billy Gibbons for tips for his upcoming band Jerry and the Channelers. :-) /Use your head, Barry - why would Jerry Jarvis drive all the way to Houston to see ZZ Top at a recording session when all he as to do is walk next door in Santa Barbara to see see the Beach Boys rehearsing at Mike Love's home recording studio.//Go figure./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celestial [1 Attachment]
Aha! Our common problem! - I am 25% Irish...and a toast of my orange juice, to the angels! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I hear that everyone in Ireland believes in such. And I'm 50% Irish. Must be in my genes (-: On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 2:45 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Exactly. Both of which (fairies and pixies) the two people claiming to be knowledgeable about the asstral (sic) and the celestial probably believe in. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 9:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celetial I think the difference is the same as that between fairies and pixies... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : So, Share how do you determine whether the astral and the celestial actually exist, and then, if they do, how do you determine their vibrational spectrum? How do you determine they have a vibrational spectrum; what is that anyway? —An ignorant bystander. Now there are some who think there is an asstral and a celestial. The uptight ones (the moralists) think they are poles apart, while the others think they go together quite nicely. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Fleetwood, you initially said that the astral and the celestial are the same thing. I don't agree with that. Nor do I agree that they are the same vibrational spectrum. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:58 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: How is what you say, any different, from what I said? The astral and celestial are in the same realm, same vibrational spectrum, like our earthly light covers a spectrum of different colors, though different neighborhoods. Yes, the beings in the celestial neighborhoods are always the good guys. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, I have a different understanding and experience wrt this. What I've heard is that in the celestial realm the beings are benevolent towards humanity; in the astral realm, some are and some are not. e On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:36 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Just to clarify, Share, the celestial and astral are the same thing - It depends on the consciousness, where a person naturally ends up (later, you go anywhere you want to)- Satvic equals Celestial, and the rest is what people call the astral. It is simply a layer of life, like ours, where vibrational frequencies are higher, and always evident, like the television broadcasts passing through the atmosphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Clarity is the key - Since our vision doesn't operate the same way in the astral, we need a lot of light, to go there. The way Maharishi taught the Siddhis, with TM practice preceding the sutras, gives us the protection, to over time, explore any place we desire to go. Separating out the imagination, traveling outside the common boundaries of time and space, and dealing with tricksters, are two things to be aware of, should the astral prove appealing. Knowledge, and power, *always* come with an equal share of responsibility. Enjoy your travels! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He is a Channel, Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even my own experiences within it, there remains a functioning organization, in all of that, whose purpose it is, to propagate TM. Agreed - yet the TMO propagate TM to keeps its leaders in gold crowns and Mercedes. In short, they do it for money and ego, they like being the rajas they claim to be. From:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : If you see buddha on the road, kill him. See Barry, you interpret Rama's words in one way, but they could have been something completely different. I believe you miss the point he was making. No matter, your version serves to embellish the view you carry of yourself of some kind of renegade. As for the rest of your treatise, it does become tiring to read it so often. (-: At least you seemed to have read it all. I find, for me, you start in on the first sentence, drag yourself to the second sentence, find yourself nodding off after the first paragraph, skimming down further into the post hoping to all that is holy or not holy that there will be something new or fresh. Finding that this is all just so much recycled rubbish you sigh and stop reading and move on. Chalk up another snoozer from bawee. Different day, same message. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Isn't it fascinating the crap that people believe because the person they consider their spiritual teacher said it? Or even if they've only heard fifth-hand that he *might* have said it? I'm back to that moment I mentioned before jokingly -- being able someday to figure out the neurophysiology of That Moment in which the human brain says to itself, Well, the stuff this teacher has said to me so far seems to be true, therefore I am going to 'suspend disbelief' forever and believe that *everything* he ever says to me again is true as well. THAT would be an interesting phenomenon to quantify. W.r.t. to telling someone stuff about their past lives, there is an Absolute Requirement that the person 'suspend disbelief' and believe that the teacher *could* possibly know something about this thing he rationally couldn't possibly know anything about. Besides, when it comes to 'past lives,' everyone *wants to believe* that what they're being told is true, as long as the past personage is cool enough. ( That's why you've got so many Newagers who claim to be Cleopatra and so few claiming to be Cleopatra's manicurist. :-) I remember one time when the Fred Lenz - Rama guy did that to me, and I called him on it. We were on one of our field trips, this time I think i the Louvre in Paris -- no guided tours or anything, just 100 or so Rama students wandering around the galleries, sometimes running into him, sometimes not. So I found myself in this Egyptian room looking down at a glass exhibit that contained a sarcophagus and a well-preserved body. I was quite taken with the bones of this guy's face, and was standing there looking at it when Rama walked up behind me, looked down, and said, Yep, that was you, all right. Naturally, I was all ego-d out for a second, but then for some reason I caught myself and turned to him and said, Your're just fucking with me, right? He seemed shocked for an instant that anyone would actually doubt his Holy Word, but then laughed and said, Right, and turned to walk away. But then he turned back and said, You're really the guy over there in that other case across the room, and laughed again. Great moment. *Of course* there was no rational way he could have known who I was in a 'past life.' But that didn't matter to me because for that one instant I *wanted* to be more self-important, and to have been some Pharoah back in Egypt. I mention it because whether Maharishi ever said this about King Tony or not, the same dynamics could have been in play. Who wouldn't want to be told that you're the reincarnation of a god? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAXnikgHTK0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAXnikgHTK0 People will believe anything that makes them feel more important. If they've gotten to the point in their self discovery where they gain most of their personal sense of self-worth from the teacher they study with, they'll also believe anything that seems to make that teacher seem more important.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I didn't read your novella here Barry. This is funny. Either did I, not past the first half a paragraph, I just don't have it in me. I think I'd rather run a mile in flip flops that are a size 10. You do realize that you are a major, dyed in wool, incorrigible, TM Obsessive. It's not kinda funny. It's actually hilarious, that this is how you choose to spend hours a day. How many hours over the past twenty years in this endeavor, I wonder. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its Jerry's stamp of approval on this that is really generating such interest - his affiliation is giving the Movement the heebie jeebies M: True Dat! Much though the power structure hates it, Jerry was the voice of sanity for a lot of us and so it isn't like Charley Lutes (may the Lord of the universe, the local universe that is...rest his wacky soul) is supporting this guy. So right on the heels of Maharishi's death bringing the movement together and inviting guys like Jerry back to the fold, they have to turn around and show him the door again! I would feel sorry for the guy but I think he is used to it by now and has been thrown out of movements by a lot more impressive dudes than John. (I'm talking to you pre-disembodied MMY!) If he is now dismissing Jerry as a crank too, what does this say about his faith in Maharishi's masterhoodednessintudiment? If he couldn't put Jerry in a state beyond being hoodwinked where does that leave the rank and file dozing in the dome person? Kinda screwed I'd say. Treating Jerry like a drunk uncle late on Thanksgiving night is a huge blow to the whole premise of the thing. I need to do some research in the archives about after Maharishi's death when Beven and others were saying some crazy stuff about where Maharishi was now. I think it would be interesting to spell out the movement beliefs about Maharishi after death. My memory (because I brought up the same WTF argument on FFL then that I did more recently) is that Bevan went on and on about Maharishi being in heaven with all the angels and/or said that he was now the greatest saint among all the saints in Brahmaloka. I brought it up at the time because during his lifetime Maharishi had been quite clear that in his view there was *no possibility* of personality or individuality existing after an enlightened person dies. It struck me strange that here is one of his prime devotees *ignoring* that teaching completely, and claiming that he was how in heaven, individuality completely intact. I'm gunna have to hold my own biases in check a bit and see if I can do justice to something, which if true, would put a nice size 14 wingtip shoe up the ass of my own perspective on how life works. But I can't pretend that my first reaction is not to just assume that Jerry has been fooled as many before him by a language form used by all good psychics that cleverly lets him fill in the details and feel as if they have been revealed to him. And that doesn't mean that George is being insincere either. They could both be in what the French call a Fole a deux, the madness two people can generate together.(Think Kim and Kanye) My bet is that Jerry has been fooled by George's sincerity (he obviously believes that he received such a message) and by his (as you say) language form when describing it. There is probably stuff in George's proposed content of the message that appeals to him, too. But that's where I think the whole schtick falls apart. Let's analyze George's outline for the message and weigh it against what we know about Maharishi: Maharishi’s Explanations of: 1) How two major spiritual traditions, the Vedic and the Judeo-Christian-Islamic, developed over the last 5,000 years OK, this is the first big tell that this is stuff that George *wanted* to hear and so made up in his mind. It's the kind of stuff *he's* hung up on and writes books about. But Maharishi has *never* been known to know much of *anything* about the Judeo-Christian-Islamic traditions, and has only embarrassed himself in the past when he tried to pretend such knowledge. As for his knowledge of the Vedic tradition, I think it's fair to point out that almost everything he's said about it being such a perfect age contradicts pretty much everything ever said by scholars who have investigated the actual Vedic era. It was a period in which wars were prevalent everywhere (and constitute most of the content of Vedic literature), and in which the average lifespan was about 33 years old. Hardly the heaven on earth MMY portrayed it as. So I'm bettin' that the message will be completely, 100% made-up bullshit from George's imagination, and have nothing whatsoever to do with anything MMY ever
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com snippus interruptus Hearing these clear explanations should disintegrate many deeply embedded but totally unnecessary fears Primary among which is the fear of dying. Because if you buy all of this, after the presentation of the message you'll believe that there is no such thing as death, and if it happens to you, all you have to do is get in touch with George and it'll be like you never died. I can't help myself, and have to riff on this some more. My bad. I do not agree with those who have intimated that George is into this for money. That is not the vibe I get from any of his materials. But if he WAS into it for the money, here's my suggestion for how he could make himself some major bucks. Forget trying to influence the TM movement in any way. Avoid them and go directly to TMers. In your marketing materials, remind them that they're going to die, and when that happens they'll probably find themselves in the Bardo realizing that they left a few things back on Earth unsaid. No problem. George then points out that after the November 30 event he has a bit of a rep for communicating with people from beyond the grave. Hethen hands you (or sends you in email) a brochure titled Your Voice On Earth. In it, he offers to be just that, conveying *your* messages from beyond the grave back to your loved ones here on Earth. Naturally, prices vary. You can send a 1000-word message for a million dollars, a 100-word message for $100,000, and a 10-word message for $10,000. And there may be additional charges, depending on how many people you want to receive this message back on Earth, and whether you want George to deliver it in person, on the phone or over Skype, or via email. Equally naturally, all fees must be prepaid in full before you die. But then *when* you die, think of the peace of mind you'll have as you circle the drain. You'll know that when you actually *do* kick the bucket, you'll probably spend a little time wandering around saying WTF, trying to accept the fact that you're really dead, but then you'll remember George's Your Voice On Earth contract. Having prepaid for him to receive and deliver your message, you now compose it, beam it to George, and he relays it on to the list of recipients you've given him. You can then relax and get on with the process of rebirth, confident that you got in the Last Word. Literally. A worthy service, and worth every penny if George (or anyone else) could really pull it off. And successful? Heck, you'd probably get a few customers just from FFL, who would hire George to send back one last vitriolic 10-word message to us. :-) *** NOTE TO GEORGE HAMMOND, IF THIS POST FINDS ITS WAY TO YOU Please understand that in this rap I really am not trying to make fun of you. As Curtis and Edg have pointed out so eloquently on this forum, your experience is your own and so far I think you're doing a good job of acting on it. So it's not really you I'm trying to poke fun at in this rap, but The Whole Fuckin' Scenario. That there could be a mechanism to send a message back to Earth after you die. THAT is just so out there that I couldn't resist the opportunity to riff on it. Good luck with the event...I'll definitely be watching from Europe if your live stream reaches that far...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/1/2014 2:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'm back to that moment I mentioned before jokingly -- being able someday to figure out the neurophysiology of That Moment in which the human brain says to itself, Well, the stuff this teacher has said to me so far seems to be true, therefore I am going to 'suspend disbelief' forever and believe that *everything* he ever says to me again is true as well. Almost anyone with a brain would realize in minutes that anyone calling themselves the Zen Master Rama was in a state of cognitive dissonance. Any normal person wouldn't believe anything someone said with a made-up name like that. Everyone knows that the deified hero Rama was a native of South Asia and that Zen is a popular name for a meditation practice in the Far East. It would be interesting to figure out at what moment your human brain gave up using common sense. Go figure. All I know is that this is another classic portrait of the Zen Master. Completing the image is the backlit perm, the slouchy leather jacket, the airbrushed acne scars and the manly chin sans cleft (which he did not possess in real life, BTW). This little photo just screams Look at Me! I'm the guy who is too cool for my pants and will saunter around the Louvre with my disciples throwing out inane and ego-boosting comments to keep them just off balance enough and hungry for my attention so they'll stick around long enough to keep filling my bank account and feeding my extraordinary ego that this photo exemplifies.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Tinfoil hat time!
On 10/1/2014 6:30 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, conspiracy, terrorism or neither, we now have Patient Zero in the US. Forget Alaska! /The really scary thing about the Ebola virus is that you can't screen for it and the symptoms take days to appear. That's how the guy got on a plane to the U.S. - when he left Liberia he showed no symptoms of the virus. Now they are tracking down everyone who came into contact with the victim in Africa, Europe, England and/or the U.S. My prediction is that international flights will be restricted if not blocked for the following African countries://Liberia, Nigeria, Sudan, South Africa, Gabon, Sierra Leone, Guinea, Senegal, and Congo (DRC). Also, we should note that there are many terrorists that may be infected already heading for Syria or Iraq to join the ISIS forces. Keep in mind that the Muslim Hajj period is held in Mecca on the twelfth Muslim lunar month of Dhu al-Hijjah./ Yahoo had the following article on page 1 this morning: /The article lists some good advice and pretty much agrees with what I've posted here on basic survival techniques. The two additional precautions that I would suggest are to move to a place as far away from hospitals as possible and to have all your groceries delivered and left at your door by Uber or Lyft./ New York Times: /http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/01/health/airline-passenger-with-ebola-is-under-treatment-in-dallas.html?_r=0/ Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself from an uncontrolled Ebola outbreak http://www.naturalnews.com/047078_Ebola_outbreak_preparedness_personal_protection.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And I will be curious as to whether Maharishi will be demanding from beyond the grave that these religions he played such a role in founding be hereafter known as Maharishi™ Judaism, Maharishi™ Christianity, and Maharishi™ Islam. Turq, sometimes you are brilliant! I got a good laugh out of that one! So that's where Michael gets his inspiration for Brilliance. This explains everything! Now, Hammond has claimed that his presentation has noting to do with restructuring the Movement but...The surprising conclusions he and his friends have reached to effect the spiritual regeneration of the Movement created long ago for the benefit of the human race ??? From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its Jerry's stamp of approval on this that is really generating such interest - his affiliation is giving the Movement the heebie jeebies M: True Dat! Much though the power structure hates it, Jerry was the voice of sanity for a lot of us and so it isn't like Charley Lutes (may the Lord of the universe, the local universe that is...rest his wacky soul) is supporting this guy. So right on the heels of Maharishi's death bringing the movement together and inviting guys like Jerry back to the fold, they have to turn around and show him the door again! I would feel sorry for the guy but I think he is used to it by now and has been thrown out of movements by a lot more impressive dudes than John. (I'm talking to you pre-disembodied MMY!) If he is now dismissing Jerry as a crank too, what does this say about his faith in Maharishi's masterhoodednessintudiment? If he couldn't put Jerry in a state beyond being hoodwinked where does that leave the rank and file dozing in the dome person? Kinda screwed I'd say. Treating Jerry like a drunk uncle late on Thanksgiving night is a huge blow to the whole premise of the thing. I need to do some research in the archives about after Maharishi's death when Beven and others were saying some crazy stuff about where Maharishi was now. I think it would be interesting to spell out the movement beliefs about Maharishi after death. My memory (because I brought up the same WTF argument on FFL then that I did more recently) is that Bevan went on and on about Maharishi being in heaven with all the angels and/or said that he was now the greatest saint among all the saints in Brahmaloka. I brought it up at the time because during his lifetime Maharishi had been quite clear that in his view there was *no possibility* of personality or individuality existing after an enlightened person dies. It struck me strange that here is one of his prime devotees *ignoring* that teaching completely, and claiming that he was how in heaven, individuality completely intact. I'm gunna have to hold my own biases in check a bit and see if I can do justice to something, which if true, would put a nice size 14 wingtip shoe up the ass of my own perspective on how life works. But I can't pretend that my first reaction is not to just assume that Jerry has been fooled as many before him by a language form used by all good psychics that cleverly lets him fill in the details and feel as if they have been revealed to him. And that doesn't mean that George is being insincere either. They could both be in what the French call a Fole a deux, the madness two people can generate together.(Think Kim and Kanye) My bet is that Jerry has been fooled by George's sincerity (he obviously believes that he received such a message) and by his (as you say) language form when describing it. There is probably stuff in George's proposed content of the message that appeals to him, too. But that's where I think the whole schtick falls apart. Let's analyze George's outline for the message and weigh it against what we know about Maharishi: Maharishi’s Explanations of: 1) How two major spiritual traditions, the Vedic and the Judeo-Christian-Islamic, developed over the last 5,000 years OK, this is the first big tell that this is stuff that George *wanted* to hear and so made up in his mind. It's the kind of stuff *he's* hung up on and writes books about. But Maharishi has *never* been known to know much of *anything* about the Judeo-Christian-Islamic traditions, and has only embarrassed himself in the past when he tried to pretend such knowledge. As for his knowledge of the Vedic tradition, I think it's fair to point out that almost everything he's said about it being such a perfect age contradicts pretty much everything ever said by scholars who have
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celetial
On 10/1/2014 6:53 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: What about the leprechauns? /Get some smarts. A leprechaun is a type of fairy - an old man in a green coat who enjoys mischief, just like you - old and green with envy. / I think the difference is the same as that between fairies and pixies...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/1/2014 2:52 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I know from someone who was in a position to know that Jerry Jarvis was seen several months ago at a recording session for ZZ Top. Perhaps he was asking Billy Gibbons for tips for his upcoming band Jerry and the Channelers. :-) Barry's only friend is IMAGINARY? And even his Imaginary Friend can't keep track. THERE IS NO CHANNELING IN THIS with the exception of you channeling someone who was in a position to know that Jerry Jarvis... Another explanation is that Barry's imaginary friend is himself. Complicated Use your head, Barry - why would Jerry Jarvis drive all the way to Houston to see ZZ Top at a recording session when all he as to do is walk next door in Santa Barbara to see see the Beach Boys rehearsing at Mike Love's home recording studio. Go figure. I know from someone who was in a position to know that Jerry Jarvis was seen several months ago at a recording session for ZZ Top. Perhaps he was asking Billy Gibbons for tips for his upcoming band Jerry and the Channelers. :-) Barry's only friend is IMAGINARY? And evn his Imaginary Friend can't keep track. THERE IS NO CHANNELING IN THIS with the exception of you channeling Use your head, Barry - why would Jerry Jarvis drive all the way to Houston to see ZZ Top at a recording session when all he as to do is walk next door in Santa Barbara to see see the Beach Boys rehearsing at Mike Love's home recording studio. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celetial
On 10/1/2014 7:03 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Just more hypocrisy from the guy who believes in both God, reincarnation, which by definition includes the celestial and astral realms, but feels compelled to both insult others and kowtow to those on the forum who he considers part of his elite, cool, club. /So, Barry believes in the Tibetan bardo, the Hindu karma, and the Buddhist reincarnation, and probably the Rosicrucian cosmo-conception.Go figure./ /Hypocrisy is the claim or pretense of holding beliefs, feelings, standards, qualities, opinions, behaviors, virtues, motivations, or other characteristics that one does not in actual fact hold. It is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another.// // //http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Exactly. Both of which (fairies and pixies) the two people claiming to be knowledgeable about the asstral (sic) and the celestial probably believe in.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/1/2014 2:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'm back to that moment I mentioned before jokingly -- being able someday to figure out the neurophysiology of That Moment in which the human brain says to itself, Well, the stuff this teacher has said to me so far seems to be true, therefore I am going to 'suspend disbelief' forever and believe that *everything* he ever says to me again is true as well. Again Barry? You are now taking seriously something you said jokingly. I could spell this disorder out for you, and I have in the past. But that won't help. Almost anyone with a brain would realize in minutes that anyone calling themselves the Zen Master Rama was in a state of cognitive dissonance. Any normal person wouldn't believe anything someone said with a made-up name like that. Everyone knows that the deified hero Rama was a native of South Asia and that Zen is a popular name for a meditation practice in the Far East. It would be interesting to figure out at what moment your human brain gave up using common sense. Go figure. All I know is that this is another classic portrait of the Zen Master. Completing the image is the backlit perm, the slouchy leather jacket, the airbrushed acne scars and the manly chin sans cleft (which he did not possess in real life, BTW). This little photo just screams Look at Me! I'm the guy who is too cool for my pants and will saunter around the Louvre with my disciples throwing out inane and ego-boosting comments to keep them just off balance enough and hungry for my attention so they'll stick around long enough to keep filling my bank account and feeding my extraordinary ego that this photo exemplifies.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celetial
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/1/2014 7:03 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Just more hypocrisy from the guy who believes in both God, reincarnation, which by definition includes the celestial and astral realms, but feels compelled to both insult others and kowtow to those on the forum who he considers part of his elite, cool, club. So, Barry believes in the Tibetan bardo, the Hindu karma, and the Buddhist reincarnation, and probably the Rosicrucian cosmo-conception. Go figure. Hypocrisy is the claim or pretense of holding beliefs, feelings, standards, qualities, opinions, behaviors, virtues, motivations, or other characteristics that one does not in actual fact hold. It is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy Just to add: He is even hypocritical with himself. Tough spot to be in. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Exactly. Both of which (fairies and pixies) the two people claiming to be knowledgeable about the asstral (sic) and the celestial probably believe in.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celetial
Plus, Richard, isn't Castanedes one of turq's heroes? And didn't he write about beings that are similar to fairies and pixies?! On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 9:08 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 10/1/2014 7:03 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Just more hypocrisy from the guy who believes in both God, reincarnation, which by definition includes the celestial and astral realms, but feels compelled to both insult others and kowtow to those on the forum who he considers part of his elite, cool, club. So, Barry believes in the Tibetan bardo, the Hindu karma, and the Buddhist reincarnation, and probably the Rosicrucian cosmo-conception. Go figure. Hypocrisy is the claim or pretense of holding beliefs, feelings, standards, qualities, opinions, behaviors, virtues, motivations, or other characteristics that one does not in actual fact hold. It is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Exactly. Both of which (fairies and pixies) the two people claiming to be knowledgeable about the asstral (sic) and the celestial probably believe in.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com snippus interruptus Hearing these clear explanations should disintegrate many deeply embedded but totally unnecessary fears Primary among which is the fear of dying. Because if you buy all of this, after the presentation of the message you'll believe that there is no such thing as death, and if it happens to you, all you have to do is get in touch with George and it'll be like you never died. I can't help myself, and have to riff on this some more. My bad. I do not agree with those who have intimated that George is into this for money. That is not the vibe I get from any of his materials. But if he WAS into it for the money, here's my suggestion for how he could make himself some major bucks. Forget trying to influence the TM movement in any way. Avoid them and go directly to TMers. In your marketing materials, remind them that they're going to die, and when that happens they'll probably find themselves in the Bardo realizing that they left a few things back on Earth unsaid. No problem. George then points out that after the November 30 event he has a bit of a rep for communicating with people from beyond the grave. He then hands you (or sends you in email) a brochure titled Your Voice On Earth. In it, he offers to be just that, conveying *your* messages from beyond the grave back to your loved ones here on Earth. Naturally, prices vary. You can send a 1000-word message for a million dollars, a 100-word message for $100,000, and a 10-word message for $10,000. And there may be additional charges, depending on how many people you want to receive this message back on Earth, and whether you want George to deliver it in person, on the phone or over Skype, or via email. Equally naturally, all fees must be prepaid in full before you die. But then *when* you die, think of the peace of mind you'll have as you circle the drain. You'll know that when you actually *do* kick the bucket, you'll probably spend a little time wandering around saying WTF, trying to accept the fact that you're really dead, but then you'll remember George's Your Voice On Earth contract. Having prepaid for him to receive and deliver your message, you now compose it, beam it to George, and he relays it on to the list of recipients you've given him. You can then relax and get on with the process of rebirth, confident that you got in the Last Word. Literally. A worthy service, and worth every penny if George (or anyone else) could really pull it off. And successful? Heck, you'd probably get a few customers just from FFL, who would hire George to send back one last vitriolic 10-word message to us. :-) *** NOTE TO GEORGE HAMMOND, IF THIS POST FINDS ITS WAY TO YOU Please understand that in this rap I really am not trying to make fun of you. As Curtis and Edg have pointed out so eloquently on this forum, your experience is your own and so far I think you're doing a good job of acting on it. So it's not really you I'm trying to poke fun at in this rap, but The Whole Fuckin' Scenario. That there could be a mechanism to send a message back to Earth after you die. THAT is just so out there that I couldn't resist the opportunity to riff on it. Good luck with the event...I'll definitely be watching from Europe if your live stream reaches that far... I expect it will reach everyone, except you. Life happens that way for you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celetial
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Plus, Richard, isn't Castanedes one of turq's heroes? And didn't he write about beings that are similar to fairies and pixies?! Attempting to apply Reason and Rationality to Turq won't work. There is no consistency to Turq. There is no one Turq. Now, does hes make more sense to you? On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 9:08 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 10/1/2014 7:03 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Just more hypocrisy from the guy who believes in both God, reincarnation, which by definition includes the celestial and astral realms, but feels compelled to both insult others and kowtow to those on the forum who he considers part of his elite, cool, club. So, Barry believes in the Tibetan bardo, the Hindu karma, and the Buddhist reincarnation, and probably the Rosicrucian cosmo-conception. Go figure. Hypocrisy is the claim or pretense of holding beliefs, feelings, standards, qualities, opinions, behaviors, virtues, motivations, or other characteristics that one does not in actual fact hold. It is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Exactly. Both of which (fairies and pixies) the two people claiming to be knowledgeable about the asstral (sic) and the celestial probably believe in.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : If you see buddha on the road, kill him. See Barry, you interpret Rama's words in one way, but they could have been something completely different. I believe you miss the point he was making. No matter, your version serves to embellish the view you carry of yourself of some kind of renegade. As for the rest of your treatise, it does become tiring to read it so often. (-: At least you seemed to have read it all. I find, for me, you start in on the first sentence, drag yourself to the second sentence, find yourself nodding off after the first paragraph, skimming down further into the post hoping to all that is holy or not holy that there will be something new or fresh. Finding that this is all just so much recycled rubbish you sigh and stop reading and move on. Chalk up another snoozer from bawee. Different day, same message. May I make a suggestion? The approach that I use, and feel free to improvise on it as you like, is to read one sentence of each Post. In this Barry Delusion, I skipped to the topic sentence of his second paragraph. Seems he has one crazy idea that he pompously goes on and on... In his subsequest post, I skipped directly to his last sentence. It works for me and I wonder if it might work for you. Alternatively: it does become tiring to read it so often. Finding that this is all just so much recycled rubbish you sigh and stop reading and move on. Hope this helps. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Isn't it fascinating the crap that people believe because the person they consider their spiritual teacher said it? Or even if they've only heard fifth-hand that he *might* have said it? I'm back to that moment I mentioned before jokingly -- being able someday to figure out the neurophysiology of That Moment in which the human brain says to itself, Well, the stuff this teacher has said to me so far seems to be true, therefore I am going to 'suspend disbelief' forever and believe that *everything* he ever says to me again is true as well. THAT would be an interesting phenomenon to quantify. W.r.t. to telling someone stuff about their past lives, there is an Absolute Requirement that the person 'suspend disbelief' and believe that the teacher *could* possibly know something about this thing he rationally couldn't possibly know anything about. Besides, when it comes to 'past lives,' everyone *wants to believe* that what they're being told is true, as long as the past personage is cool enough. ( That's why you've got so many Newagers who claim to be Cleopatra and so few claiming to be Cleopatra's manicurist. :-) I remember one time when the Fred Lenz - Rama guy did that to me, and I called him on it. We were on one of our field trips, this time I think i the Louvre in Paris -- no guided tours or anything, just 100 or so Rama students wandering around the galleries, sometimes running into him, sometimes not. So I found myself in this Egyptian room looking down at a glass exhibit that contained a sarcophagus and a well-preserved body. I was quite taken with the bones of this guy's face, and was standing there looking at it when Rama walked up behind me, looked down, and said, Yep, that was you, all right. Naturally, I was all ego-d out for a second, but then for some reason I caught myself and turned to him and said, Your're just fucking with me, right? He seemed shocked for an instant that anyone would actually doubt his Holy Word, but then laughed and said, Right, and turned to walk away. But then he turned back and said, You're really the guy over there in that other case across the room, and laughed again. Great moment. *Of course* there was no rational way he could have known who I was in a 'past life.' But that didn't matter to me because for that one instant I *wanted* to be more self-important, and to have been some Pharoah back in Egypt. I mention it because whether Maharishi ever said this about King Tony or not, the same dynamics could have been in play. Who wouldn't want to be told that you're the reincarnation of a god? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAXnikgHTK0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAXnikgHTK0 People will believe anything that makes them feel more important. If they've gotten to the point in their self discovery where they gain most of their personal sense of self-worth from the teacher they study with, they'll also believe anything that seems to make that teacher seem more important.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celestial
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Aha! Our common problem! - I am 25% Irish...and a toast of my orange juice, to the angels! fleet, I knew it! Ask Share about my love for my dear Irish Uncle Joe Gavin. The greatest prize-fighter in his nephew's loving memory. Could hit a man, and I imagined as a young boy, he'd never get up again. Beautiful man and loving uncle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, I hear that everyone in Ireland believes in such. And I'm 50% Irish. Must be in my genes (-: On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 2:45 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Exactly. Both of which (fairies and pixies) the two people claiming to be knowledgeable about the asstral (sic) and the celestial probably believe in. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 9:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celetial I think the difference is the same as that between fairies and pixies... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : So, Share how do you determine whether the astral and the celestial actually exist, and then, if they do, how do you determine their vibrational spectrum? How do you determine they have a vibrational spectrum; what is that anyway? —An ignorant bystander. Now there are some who think there is an asstral and a celestial. The uptight ones (the moralists) think they are poles apart, while the others think they go together quite nicely. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry email to John sent on Sunday Fleetwood, you initially said that the astral and the celestial are the same thing. I don't agree with that. Nor do I agree that they are the same vibrational spectrum. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:58 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: How is what you say, any different, from what I said? The astral and celestial are in the same realm, same vibrational spectrum, like our earthly light covers a spectrum of different colors, though different neighborhoods. Yes, the beings in the celestial neighborhoods are always the good guys. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, I have a different understanding and experience wrt this. What I've heard is that in the celestial realm the beings are benevolent towards humanity; in the astral realm, some are and some are not. e On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:36 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Just to clarify, Share, the celestial and astral are the same thing - It depends on the consciousness, where a person naturally ends up (later, you go anywhere you want to)- Satvic equals Celestial, and the rest is what people call the astral. It is simply a layer of life, like ours, where vibrational frequencies are higher, and always evident, like the television broadcasts passing through the atmosphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Clarity is the key - Since our vision doesn't operate the same way in the astral, we need a lot of light, to go there. The way Maharishi taught the Siddhis, with TM practice preceding the sutras, gives us the protection, to over time, explore any place we desire to go. Separating out the imagination, traveling outside the common boundaries of time and space, and dealing with tricksters, are two things to be aware of, should the astral prove appealing. Knowledge, and power, *always* come with an equal share of responsibility. Enjoy your travels! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, my memory is not the best but I thought he once said that he stopped doing that. I've heard several spiritual organizations warn about channeling. Evidently it opens one up to the astral realm wherein there is no guarantee wrt the benevolence of the inhabitants. On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:34 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: He is a Channel, Share. The funny part, is that he thinks he's moved on from it. Sort of a blind spot I'd say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you haven't even been in Fairfield in what, twenty years! Much less been around any TMO leaders. In such a situation, I think it's wrong to attribute such negative motivations to people. On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Despite the way the TMO is portrayed here, and even
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
On 10/1/2014 7:08 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: How many hours over the past twenty years in this endeavor, I wonder. /By my count, based on his online posted biography, Barry has spent thousands of dollars and decades of time working to promote or debunk various spiritual groups and individuals. At one point he was apparently a group leader of some repute and well known in cult circles around Portland, Oregon and Sante Fe, NM. His photo was once featured on the front page of a TMO publication about Governors of the Age of Enlightenment //and he has written a book about witnessing the Zen Master Rama levitate. Go figure. // //At some point he became a True Believer but then later, he got turned and did a 180 and went over to being anti-cult, probably working as a reporter for CAN.// http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_Awareness_Network // //We are not sure exactly how time he spent or how much money he was able to skim, or what happened to all the money. He doesn't seem to want to talk about it, probably due to the extreme cognitive dissonance. //Whatever, //it may make a good article for a science or psychology magazine article on trance-induction states and mind-control. /
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/1/2014 7:08 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: How many hours over the past twenty years in this endeavor, I wonder. By my count, based on his online posted biography, Barry has spent thousands of dollars and decades of time working to promote or debunk various spiritual groups and individuals. At one point he was apparently a group leader of some repute and well known in cult circles around Portland, Oregon and Sante Fe, NM. His photo was once featured on the front page of a TMO publication about Governors of the Age of Enlightenment and he has written a book about witnessing the Zen Master Rama levitate. Go figure. At some point he became a True Believer but then later, he got turned and did a 180 and went over to being anti-cult, probably working as a reporter for CAN. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_Awareness_Network http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_Awareness_Network We are not sure exactly how time he spent or how much money he was able to skim, or what happened to all the money. He doesn't seem to want to talk about it, probably due to the extreme cognitive dissonance. Whatever, it may make a good article for a science or psychology magazine article on trance-induction states and mind-control. Does my wild-ass guess that Judy is penning such article hold water? You all know her better than I, but I got the sense that her logical approach was meant to help Turq contain his wildness. Am I right about this?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: But Wait! There's More!
On 10/1/2014 8:00 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ~80% of California's water goes for agriculture, so yeah, food costs are going up. The last rain put the big fires out, and hoping for more water soon. The coast needs a lot of desalination plants, too. /It must be a conspiracy between the agriculturists and the banksters to steal our hard earned income. The share croppers want all the rain water for their cash crops to sell at Safeway. We are hoping for more rain here so we can grow our own./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : True, Richard, no one cares about a drought in the desert. But how you gonna feel when a tomato from California costs $5?! On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:19 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : I've been wondering and have even commented if the California Drought could possibly be a result of a weather war. For those who have been sleeping, weather modification has been going on for some time. There is even a movie (available on Netflix WI), The Colony starring Laurence Fishburne, which is about a post-apocalyptic future where the attempt to modify the weather to end climate disruption resulted in an eternal winter. For your entertainment here is a video (part 1 of several) that proposes that recent low pressure areas that would have brought rain to the west coast were disrupted possibly using weather control devices. http://youtu.be/_57_zuaAgfo Enjoy! On 9/30/2014 9:07 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Although fascinating I hope you don't lose any sleep over this. /The California drought is probably just a conspiracy.//There's no drought, it's just that there is no rain out there.//If there was a drought out in the desert, would anybody care?/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And I will be curious as to whether Maharishi will be demanding from beyond the grave that these religions he played such a role in founding be hereafter known as Maharishi™ Judaism, Maharishi™ Christianity, and Maharishi™ Islam. Turq, sometimes you are brilliant! I got a good laugh out of that one! So that's where Michael gets his inspiration for Brilliance. This explains everything! Yes, it's a low bar indeed.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/1/2014 2:52 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I know from someone who was in a position to know that Jerry Jarvis was seen several months ago at a recording session for ZZ Top. Perhaps he was asking Billy Gibbons for tips for his upcoming band Jerry and the Channelers. :-) Barry's only friend is IMAGINARY? And even his Imaginary Friend can't keep track. THERE IS NO CHANNELING IN THIS Exactly. Rumour monger and knowingly perpetuating false information. Story of his life. with the exception of you channeling someone who was in a position to know that Jerry Jarvis... Another explanation is that Barry's imaginary friend is himself. Complicated Use your head, Barry - why would Jerry Jarvis drive all the way to Houston to see ZZ Top at a recording session when all he as to do is walk next door in Santa Barbara to see see the Beach Boys rehearsing at Mike Love's home recording studio. Go figure. I know from someone who was in a position to know that Jerry Jarvis was seen several months ago at a recording session for ZZ Top. Perhaps he was asking Billy Gibbons for tips for his upcoming band Jerry and the Channelers. :-) Barry's only friend is IMAGINARY? And evn his Imaginary Friend can't keep track. THERE IS NO CHANNELING IN THIS with the exception of you channeling Use your head, Barry - why would Jerry Jarvis drive all the way to Houston to see ZZ Top at a recording session when all he as to do is walk next door in Santa Barbara to see see the Beach Boys rehearsing at Mike Love's home recording studio. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: But Wait! There's More!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/1/2014 8:00 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: ~80% of California's water goes for agriculture, so yeah, food costs are going up. The last rain put the big fires out, and hoping for more water soon. The coast needs a lot of desalination plants, too. fleet, I eat LOTS of seaweed. Could probably help solve the hunger problem if many more people got in the habit. I actually PAY A LOT for the privilege. It must be a conspiracy between the agriculturists and the banksters to steal our hard earned income. The share croppers want all the rain water for their cash crops to sell at Safeway. We are hoping for more rain here so we can grow our own. Correct on the conspiracy, but it's well hidden from public view. Also, you have to keep the soil covered to prevent the sun stealing your land's minerals and plant’s vitamins. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : True, Richard, no one cares about a drought in the desert. But how you gonna feel when a tomato from California costs $5?! On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:19 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : I've been wondering and have even commented if the California Drought could possibly be a result of a weather war. For those who have been sleeping, weather modification has been going on for some time. There is even a movie (available on Netflix WI), The Colony starring Laurence Fishburne, which is about a post-apocalyptic future where the attempt to modify the weather to end climate disruption resulted in an eternal winter. For your entertainment here is a video (part 1 of several) that proposes that recent low pressure areas that would have brought rain to the west coast were disrupted possibly using weather control devices. http://youtu.be/_57_zuaAgfo http://youtu.be/_57_zuaAgfo Enjoy! On 9/30/2014 9:07 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Although fascinating I hope you don't lose any sleep over this. The California drought is probably just a conspiracy. There's no drought, it's just that there is no rain out there. If there was a drought out in the desert, would anybody care? fleet, I eat LOTS of seaweed. Could probably help solve the hunger problem if many more people got in the habit. I actually PAY A LOT for the privilege. It must be a conspiracy between the agriculturists and the banksters to steal our hard earned income. The share croppers want all the rain water for their cash crops to sell at Safeway. We are hoping for more rain here so we can grow our own. Correct on the conspiracy, but it's well hidden from public view. Also, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : True, Richard, no one cares about a drought in the desert. But how you gonna feel when a tomato from California costs $5?! On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:19 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : I've been wondering and have even commented if the California Drought could possibly be a result of a weather war. For those who have been sleeping, weather modification has been going on for some time. There is even a movie (available on Netflix WI), The Colony starring Laurence Fishburne, which is about a post-apocalyptic future where the attempt to modify the weather to end climate disruption resulted in an eternal winter. For your entertainment here is a video (part 1 of several) that proposes that recent low pressure areas that would have brought rain to the west coast were disrupted possibly using weather control devices. http://youtu.be/_57_zuaAgfo http://youtu.be/_57_zuaAgfo Enjoy! On 9/30/2014 9:07 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Although fascinating I hope you don't lose any sleep over this. The California drought is probably just a conspiracy. There's no drought, it's just that there is no rain out there. If there was a drought out in the desert, would anybody care?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
As for the rest of your treatise, it does become tiring to read it so often. (-: On 10/1/2014 8:38 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: At least you seemed to have read it all. I find, for me, you start in on the first sentence, drag yourself to the second sentence, find yourself nodding off after the first paragraph, skimming down further into the post hoping to all that is holy or not holy that there will be something new or fresh. Finding that this is all just so much recycled rubbish you sigh and stop reading and move on. Chalk up another snoozer from bawee. Different day, same message. /Maybe you forgot to realize that this story is meant for the lurking reporters - it probably doesn't have anything to do with you or Tony's pedigree. At the risk of being redundant myself, let me repeat the TB's FFL SOP: winning./// ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Isn't it fascinating the crap that people believe because the person they consider their spiritual teacher said it? Or even if they've only heard fifth-hand that he *might* have said it?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
On 10/1/2014 9:06 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: And even his Imaginary Friend can't keep track. THERE IS NO CHANNELING IN THIS with the exception of you channeling someone who was in a position to know that Jerry Jarvis... Another explanation is that Barry's imaginary friend is himself. Complicated / / / This might explain how the FFL lurking reporter is the informant leading a double life as an agent and an informant. In which case, the informant might be paying himself for the reporting and then selling the report to his own science magazine, thus double-dipping. Or, maybe he is a counter-informant just planting imaginary scenarios for the other informants to report to the TM-Free blog. It could be a conspiracy, what with all the folder making and filtering. Go figure. No matter, we need to conratulate all the participating FFL informants for doing their part in keeping the TM Movement alive - we each do what we can, even if we suck as spiritual teachers and often sound confused. / /Use your head, Barry - why would Jerry Jarvis drive all the way to Houston to see ZZ Top at a recording session when all he as to do is walk next door in Santa Barbara to see see the Beach Boys rehearsing at Mike Love's home recording studio.//Go figure./
[FairfieldLife] This Week's TM Movement In Fairfield, Iowa
Monday: Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam, together with Dr. Morris, will meet with all the faculty and staff this Monday afternoon, September 29, starting at 3:00 p.m. in Dalby Hall. Dr. Bevan Morris will speak to all faculty and staff at 2:00 directly before Maharaja’s talk. Tuesday evening, Dr. Stuart Vernon will present news of Transcendental Meditation teaching activities in Cambodia, with photos and stories. Originally from New Zealand, Stuart is currently based in Cambodia and spent 10 years there helping run a Maharishi Vedic University that graduated several thousand students.Stuart will also be performing songs about experiences of Maharishi’s knowledge, from his Global Country of World Peace CD. Tuesday evening, September 30 8:00 pm in Dalby Hall Everyone is welcome Weds 2-4:30pm Grand Opening, TM Information Center in Downtown Fairfield, Iowa Wednesday evening, 8:00 pm – knowledge meeting with Maharaja Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam will hold a meeting for members of the community in the Maharishi Patanjali Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge. MUM Campus: Square dance demonstration at Argiro main lobby with 35 Japanese square dancers! Thursday October 2nd, Noon - 12:15 PM. Thursday-Sunday, Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam in conference on meditation science research with 50 scientists from around the globe. Friday: Victory Day – celebration with Maharaja Sunday evening: Seminar on Counseling and Psychological health services to be offered by MUM. 7:45 pm - 9:15 pm · Dalby Hall Exploring When should the Transcendental Meditation® technique be supported with conventional mental health services in a balanced approach with an aim to promote optimum physical and mental health for our community and to be sure everyone knows how and when to access professional services when needed. Please come, and please tell your friends about it. This week in meditating Fairfield, Iowa.. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tinfoil hat time!
The real psychological study should be of the 9-11 Deniers, those who just go with the official story in spite of the questions surrounding 9-11. Or as Jesse Ventura said yesterday, if Truthers are bad then Liars must be good. :-D On 09/30/2014 05:43 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Bhairitu, you know what I say about being paranoid? Sometimes there are good reasons to be (-: On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:53 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 09/30/2014 06:19 AM, jedi_sp...@yahoo.com mailto:jedi_sp...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: --- noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Maybe it's not fair of me because I'm one up on you. You see, my late brother was a Vietnam War era defense contractor. I've seen how the thing works from the inside. --- salyavin808@... mailto:salyavin808@... wrote : What, you saw them organise mass slaughter of innocent civilians in their own country? And then terminate the witnesses I think you should tell all. --- noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : I'm met CIA agents. Your Ministry of Defense likes to keep you in the dark by feeding you a lot of propaganda. 9-11 was undoubtedly one of the biggest crimes in history. But the folks in the peanut gallery get their history from Popular Mechanics. Go figger. Yes, it was all planned to make the buildings fall like that, they went to the time and trouble of organising a bunch of foreign nationals with known links to terror groups, taught them to fly planes and let them hi-jack four and fly them into buildings which were also rigged to collapse like a pack of cards - even the one that wasn't hit because it had a few embarrassing secrets in it. They of course used nuclear weapons without anyone noticing. And all this to start a war with someone they were already bombing every day and they couldn't even fake a document to get them off the hook when it turned out he didn't have the weapons they sold him any more. They then terminated the people who organised it and are now happy that the plan failed and they've got to re-invade Iraq at great expense to get rid of the people they didn't terminate in the war they destroyed the WTC to provoke. It all makes sense now.After you with the peanuts. Is there anything called intellectual schizophrenia? Barry2 always talks like this. Barry2's spiritual philosophy is quite sane. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-narcissus-in-all-us/ 200809/paranoia-and-the-roots-conspiracy-theories http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-narcissus-in-all-us/200809/paranoia-and-the-roots-conspiracy-theories Perhaps it's just the same paranoia the right wingers have, but manifested in a different form. So intellectual curiosity is now a mental disease? I think what we really have is a vast amount the public who behave like scared rabbits whenever someone suggests there might be more to an event than meets the eye. I guess most people here don't like a good mystery. :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: But Wait! There's More!
And now they're talking about water rationing or how much water you will be allowed to use per household. We'll all be walking around smelling to high heaven because we haven't been able to take showers or clean our clothes. The alleged conspiracy behind the weather manipulation to keep California in a drought is so the evil bastards can own the water industry. After all that is supposed to be next thing, owning the water supply. On 10/01/2014 06:00 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ~80% of California's water goes for agriculture, so yeah, food costs are going up. The last rain put the big fires out, and hoping for more water soon. The coast needs a lot of desalination plants, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : True, Richard, no one cares about a drought in the desert. But how you gonna feel when a tomato from California costs $5?! On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:19 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : I've been wondering and have even commented if the California Drought could possibly be a result of a weather war. For those who have been sleeping, weather modification has been going on for some time. There is even a movie (available on Netflix WI), The Colony starring Laurence Fishburne, which is about a post-apocalyptic future where the attempt to modify the weather to end climate disruption resulted in an eternal winter. For your entertainment here is a video (part 1 of several) that proposes that recent low pressure areas that would have brought rain to the west coast were disrupted possibly using weather control devices. http://youtu.be/_57_zuaAgfo Enjoy! On 9/30/2014 9:07 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Although fascinating I hope you don't lose any sleep over this. /The California drought is probably just a conspiracy.//There's no drought, it's just that there is no rain out there.//If there was a drought out in the desert, would anybody care?/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
I have reproduced some paragraphs below that describe the relationship of a student to the teacher and a spiritual teaching from one of the books of Zen-trained Adyashanti. This seems somewhat different than what is expected in the TMO. 'There is no such thing as riding the coattails of an enlightened being to enlightenment itself. A failure to understand this can lead (as so many have been led) to cultish fanaticism, fundamentalism, magical thinking, disappointment, disillusionment, and/or spiritual infancy. While it is understandable that many people project their unresolved parental issues, relationship issues, authority issues, sexuality issues, as well as God issues onto their spiritual teacher (and are sometimes encouraged to do so by unscrupulous spiritual teachers), it is essential to understand that a spiritual teacher's role is to be a good and wise spiritual guide as well as an embodiment of the truth that he or she points toward.' 'While there may be deep respect, love, and even devotion to one's spiritual teacher, it is important not to abdicate all of your authority over to your spiritual teacher or project all divinity exclusively onto them. Your life belongs in your hands, not someone else's. Take responsibility for it. There is a fine line between being truly open to the guidance of a spiritual teacher and regressing into a childish relationship where you abdicate your adulthood and project all wisdom and divinity onto the teacher. Each person needs to find a mature balance, being truly and deeply open to their spiritual guide without abdicating all of their authority.' 'The same can be applied to a spiritual teaching. A spiritual teaching is a finger pointing toward reality; it is not reality itself. To be in a true and mature relationship with a spiritual teaching requires you to apply it, not simply believe in it. Belief leads to various forms of fundamentalism and shuts down the curiosity and inquiry that are essential to open the way for awakening and what lies beyond awakening. A good spiritual teaching is something that you work with and apply. In doing so, it works on you (often in a hidden way) and helps reveal to you the truth (and falseness) that lies within you.' 'What is it to not abdicate your own authority and yet not claim a false or self-centred authority that will lead you into delusion? I am afraid that I cannot tell you. You see, no one can tell you how not to deceive yourself. If in the deepest place within you, you want and desire truth above all else, even though you go astray in a thousand different ways, you will find yourself somehow, again and again, being brought back to what is true. And if you do not want and desire truth above all else, well, you already know what that leads to.' From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree Isn't it fascinating the crap that people believe because the person they consider their spiritual teacher said it? Or even if they've only heard fifth-hand that he *might* have said it? I'm back to that moment I mentioned before jokingly -- being able someday to figure out the neurophysiology of That Moment in which the human brain says to itself, Well, the stuff this teacher has said to me so far seems to be true, therefore I am going to 'suspend disbelief' forever and believe that *everything* he ever says to me again is true as well. THAT would be an interesting phenomenon to quantify. W.r.t. to telling someone stuff about their past lives, there is an Absolute Requirement that the person 'suspend disbelief' and believe that the teacher *could* possibly know something about this thing he rationally couldn't possibly know anything about. Besides, when it comes to 'past lives,' everyone *wants to believe* that what they're being told is true, as long as the past personage is cool enough. ( That's why you've got so many Newagers who claim to be Cleopatra and so few claiming to be Cleopatra's manicurist. :-) I remember one time when the Fred Lenz - Rama guy did that to me, and I called him on it. We were on one of our field trips, this time I think i the Louvre in Paris -- no guided tours or anything, just 100 or so Rama students wandering around the galleries, sometimes running into him, sometimes not. So I found myself in this Egyptian room looking down at a glass exhibit that contained a sarcophagus and a well-preserved body. I was quite taken with the bones of this guy's face, and was standing there looking at it when Rama walked up behind me, looked down, and said, Yep, that was you, all right. Naturally, I was all ego-d out for a second, but then for some reason I caught myself and turned to him and said, Your're just
[FairfieldLife] Re: This Week's TM Movement In Fairfield, Iowa
Buck, Thanks for this. I spend time daily looking over Fairfieldcafe (a more positive Yahoo Group) and a few other sources (which I have recommended here in the past), to find out what's going on. More and more, there's webcasting of events from Fairfield for those of us 'away'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Monday: Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam, together with Dr. Morris, will meet with all the faculty and staff this Monday afternoon, September 29, starting at 3:00 p.m. in Dalby Hall. Dr. Bevan Morris will speak to all faculty and staff at 2:00 directly before Maharaja’s talk. Tuesday evening, Dr. Stuart Vernon will present news of Transcendental Meditation teaching activities in Cambodia, with photos and stories. Originally from New Zealand, Stuart is currently based in Cambodia and spent 10 years there helping run a Maharishi Vedic University that graduated several thousand students.Stuart will also be performing songs about experiences of Maharishi’s knowledge, from his Global Country of World Peace CD. Tuesday evening, September 30 8:00 pm in Dalby Hall Everyone is welcome Weds 2-4:30pm Grand Opening, TM Information Center in Downtown Fairfield, Iowa Wednesday evening, 8:00 pm – knowledge meeting with Maharaja Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam will hold a meeting for members of the community in the Maharishi Patanjali Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge. MUM Campus: Square dance demonstration at Argiro main lobby with 35 Japanese square dancers! Thursday October 2nd, Noon - 12:15 PM. Thursday-Sunday, Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam in conference on meditation science research with 50 scientists from around the globe. Friday: Victory Day – celebration with Maharaja Sunday evening: Seminar on Counseling and Psychological health services to be offered by MUM. 7:45 pm - 9:15 pm · Dalby Hall Exploring When should the Transcendental Meditation® technique be supported with conventional mental health services in a balanced approach with an aim to promote optimum physical and mental health for our community and to be sure everyone knows how and when to access professional services when needed. Please come, and please tell your friends about it. This week in meditating Fairfield, Iowa.. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Link to the invitation for Nov 30th
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/1/2014 9:06 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: And even his Imaginary Friend can't keep track. THERE IS NO CHANNELING IN THIS with the exception of you channeling someone who was in a position to know that Jerry Jarvis... Another explanation is that Barry's imaginary friend is himself. Complicated This might explain how the FFL lurking reporter is the informant leading a double life as an agent and an informant. In which case, the informant might be paying himself for the reporting and then selling the report to his own science magazine, thus double-dipping. Or, maybe he is a counter-informant just planting imaginary scenarios for the other informants to report to the TM-Free blog. It could be a conspiracy, what with all the folder making and filtering. Go figure. You got the idea. There are a myriad of personalities and relationships between them. The permutations are mind-boggling (literally). We are privy to just those who have vied for domination, and have won. I will always pity Barry, whether or not keeps him on The Permanent Pitiable List. Ann? No matter, we need to conratulate all the participating FFL informants for doing their part in keeping the TM Movement alive - we each do what we can, even if we suck as spiritual teachers and often sound confused. Use your head, Barry - why would Jerry Jarvis drive all the way to Houston to see ZZ Top at a recording session when all he as to do is walk next door in Santa Barbara to see see the Beach Boys rehearsing at Mike Love's home recording studio. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: But Wait! There's More!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : And now they're talking about water rationing or how much water you will be allowed to use per household. We'll all be walking around smelling to high heaven because we haven't been able to take showers or clean our clothes. The alleged conspiracy behind the weather manipulation to keep California in a drought is so the evil bastards can own the water industry. After all that is supposed to be next thing, owning the water supply. Bhairitu, You are right on the money. Shh! My daughter is counsel for a London-based Litigation Partnership. She does a great deal of pro-bono for indigenous and other South American populations. The issue is always the same. Private Ownership v Public Ownership of resources. Cases have involved water, oil, land and, yes, soccer. She has never lost a case to either Corporation, Private interests or Corrupt Government. She spends more time at The World Court than at home. I am very proud. On 10/01/2014 06:00 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: ~80% of California's water goes for agriculture, so yeah, food costs are going up. The last rain put the big fires out, and hoping for more water soon. The coast needs a lot of desalination plants, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : True, Richard, no one cares about a drought in the desert. But how you gonna feel when a tomato from California costs $5?! On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:19 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : I've been wondering and have even commented if the California Drought could possibly be a result of a weather war. For those who have been sleeping, weather modification has been going on for some time. There is even a movie (available on Netflix WI), The Colony starring Laurence Fishburne, which is about a post-apocalyptic future where the attempt to modify the weather to end climate disruption resulted in an eternal winter. For your entertainment here is a video (part 1 of several) that proposes that recent low pressure areas that would have brought rain to the west coast were disrupted possibly using weather control devices. http://youtu.be/_57_zuaAgfo http://youtu.be/_57_zuaAgfo Enjoy! On 9/30/2014 9:07 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Although fascinating I hope you don't lose any sleep over this. The California drought is probably just a conspiracy. There's no drought, it's just that there is no rain out there. If there was a drought out in the desert, would anybody care?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: But Wait! There's More!
Bhairitu, I read an article years ago talking about how The Army Corps of Engineers has total jurisdiction over all US intercontinental waterways. IOW, they already own the water supply! On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 10:54 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And now they're talking about water rationing or how much water you will be allowed to use per household. We'll all be walking around smelling to high heaven because we haven't been able to take showers or clean our clothes. The alleged conspiracy behind the weather manipulation to keep California in a drought is so the evil bastards can own the water industry. After all that is supposed to be next thing, owning the water supply. On 10/01/2014 06:00 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ~80% of California's water goes for agriculture, so yeah, food costs are going up. The last rain put the big fires out, and hoping for more water soon. The coast needs a lot of desalination plants, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : True, Richard, no one cares about a drought in the desert. But how you gonna feel when a tomato from California costs $5?! On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:19 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : I've been wondering and have even commented if the California Drought could possibly be a result of a weather war. For those who have been sleeping, weather modification has been going on for some time. There is even a movie (available on Netflix WI), The Colony starring Laurence Fishburne, which is about a post-apocalyptic future where the attempt to modify the weather to end climate disruption resulted in an eternal winter. For your entertainment here is a video (part 1 of several) that proposes that recent low pressure areas that would have brought rain to the west coast were disrupted possibly using weather control devices. http://youtu.be/_57_zuaAgfo Enjoy! On 9/30/2014 9:07 PM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Although fascinating I hope you don't lose any sleep over this. The California drought is probably just a conspiracy.There's no drought, it's just that there is no rain out there.If there was a drought out in the desert, would anybody care?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
For those interested, the link is: http://www.adyashanti.org/library/The_Way_of_Liberation_Ebook.pdf http://www.adyashanti.org/library/The_Way_of_Liberation_Ebook.pdf My fav is The End of Your World, a book recommendation that I got at Batgap (returned the favor by using Batgap's commission link to Amazon). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I have reproduced some paragraphs below that describe the relationship of a student to the teacher and a spiritual teaching from one of the books of Zen-trained Adyashanti. This seems somewhat different than what is expected in the TMO. 'There is no such thing as riding the coattails of an enlightened being to enlightenment itself. A failure to understand this can lead (as so many have been led) to cultish fanaticism, fundamentalism, magical thinking, disappointment, disillusionment, and/or spiritual infancy. While it is understandable that many people project their unresolved parental issues, relationship issues, authority issues, sexuality issues, as well as God issues onto their spiritual teacher (and are sometimes encouraged to do so by unscrupulous spiritual teachers), it is essential to understand that a spiritual teacher's role is to be a good and wise spiritual guide as well as an embodiment of the truth that he or she points toward.' 'While there may be deep respect, love, and even devotion to one's spiritual teacher, it is important not to abdicate all of your authority over to your spiritual teacher or project all divinity exclusively onto them. Your life belongs in your hands, not someone else's. Take responsibility for it. There is a fine line between being truly open to the guidance of a spiritual teacher and regressing into a childish relationship where you abdicate your adulthood and project all wisdom and divinity onto the teacher. Each person needs to find a mature balance, being truly and deeply open to their spiritual guide without abdicating all of their authority.' 'The same can be applied to a spiritual teaching. A spiritual teaching is a finger pointing toward reality; it is not reality itself. To be in a true and mature relationship with a spiritual teaching requires you to apply it, not simply believe in it. Belief leads to various forms of fundamentalism and shuts down the curiosity and inquiry that are essential to open the way for awakening and what lies beyond awakening. A good spiritual teaching is something that you work with and apply. In doing so, it works on you (often in a hidden way) and helps reveal to you the truth (and falseness) that lies within you.' 'What is it to not abdicate your own authority and yet not claim a false or self-centred authority that will lead you into delusion? I am afraid that I cannot tell you. You see, no one can tell you how not to deceive yourself. If in the deepest place within you, you want and desire truth above all else, even though you go astray in a thousand different ways, you will find yourself somehow, again and again, being brought back to what is true. And if you do not want and desire truth above all else, well, you already know what that leads to.' From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree Isn't it fascinating the crap that people believe because the person they consider their spiritual teacher said it? Or even if they've only heard fifth-hand that he *might* have said it? I'm back to that moment I mentioned before jokingly -- being able someday to figure out the neurophysiology of That Moment in which the human brain says to itself, Well, the stuff this teacher has said to me so far seems to be true, therefore I am going to 'suspend disbelief' forever and believe that *everything* he ever says to me again is true as well. THAT would be an interesting phenomenon to quantify. W.r.t. to telling someone stuff about their past lives, there is an Absolute Requirement that the person 'suspend disbelief' and believe that the teacher *could* possibly know something about this thing he rationally couldn't possibly know anything about. Besides, when it comes to 'past lives,' everyone *wants to believe* that what they're being told is true, as long as the past personage is cool enough. ( That's why you've got so many Newagers who claim to be Cleopatra and so few claiming to be Cleopatra's manicurist. :-) I remember one time when the Fred Lenz - Rama guy did that to me, and I called him on it. We were on one of our field trips, this time I think i the Louvre in Paris -- no guided tours or anything, just 100 or so Rama students wandering around the galleries, sometimes running into him, sometimes not. So I found myself in this Egyptian room looking down at a glass exhibit that
Re: [FairfieldLife] Tinfoil hat time!
That's good news, Richard, that they're tracking down all the people Patient Zero came into contact with. But of course, those people have already been in contact with another group of people! And here's my ongoing question: what the heck are they doing with all that contaminated waste?! I read another article recently recommending that people stock up on colloidal silver. Especially if one has a compromised immune system. Enchinecea tea helps too. On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 8:56 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 10/1/2014 6:30 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, conspiracy, terrorism or neither, we now have Patient Zero in the US. Forget Alaska! The really scary thing about the Ebola virus is that you can't screen for it and the symptoms take days to appear. That's how the guy got on a plane to the U.S. - when he left Liberia he showed no symptoms of the virus. Now they are tracking down everyone who came into contact with the victim in Africa, Europe, England and/or the U.S. My prediction is that international flights will be restricted if not blocked for the following African countries:Liberia, Nigeria, Sudan, South Africa, Gabon, Sierra Leone, Guinea, Senegal, and Congo (DRC). Also, we should note that there are many terrorists that may be infected already heading for Syria or Iraq to join the ISIS forces. Keep in mind that the Muslim Hajj period is held in Mecca on the twelfth Muslim lunar month of Dhu al-Hijjah. Yahoo had the following article on page 1 this morning: The article lists some good advice and pretty much agrees with what I've posted here on basic survival techniques. The two additional precautions that I would suggest are to move to a place as far away from hospitals as possible and to have all your groceries delivered and left at your door by Uber or Lyft. New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/01/health/airline-passenger-with-ebola-is-under-treatment-in-dallas.html?_r=0 Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself from an uncontrolled Ebola outbreak
Re: [FairfieldLife] Tinfoil hat time!
Richard sounds really scared! Go figger. On 10/01/2014 04:30 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, conspiracy, terrorism or neither, we now have Patient Zero in the US. Forget Alaska! Yahoo had the following article on page 1 this morning: Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself from an uncontrolled Ebola outbreak http://www.naturalnews.com/047078_Ebola_outbreak_preparedness_personal_protection.html image http://www.naturalnews.com/047078_Ebola_outbreak_preparedness_personal_protection.html Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself fr... http://www.naturalnews.com/047078_Ebola_outbreak_preparedness_personal_protection.html Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself from an uncontrolled Ebola outbreak View on www.naturalnews.com http://www.naturalnews.com/047078_Ebola_outbreak_preparedness_personal_protection.html Preview by Yahoo On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:15 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 9/30/2014 7:46 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com mailto:sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Bhairitu, I never thought of PTSD in the context of such events. But of course it makes perfect sense. Plus, spin meisters can use any situation, such as the ebola outbreak, to engender fear in people. /The current Ebola conspiracy story is probably being perpetrated by the same group that spun the 9/11 WTC conspiracy story. But, if the WTC was a conspiracy, then the Ebola conspiracy may be true as well, in which case we should probably move to Alaska where there are no people or tall buildings./ On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:48 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: To me 9-11 appears to be the first Shock and Awe operation for the endless war campaign. It gave much of the public PTSD. Recently I witnessed a much smaller version of that with the recent earthquake we had here. People were out-of-sorts for days. I'm amused at the reactions I'm getting here and after all you started this this thread. :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: But Wait! There's More!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Bhairitu, I read an article years ago talking about how The Army Corps of Engineers has total jurisdiction over all US intercontinental waterways. IOW, they already own the water supply! Dear Share, I think what Bhairitu is referring to is that the water supply, previously held by your government for the use of the people, is being transferred into private ownership for the purpose of profit. This is the Privatization taking place worldwide, but getting to your country just now. On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 10:54 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: And now they're talking about water rationing or how much water you will be allowed to use per household. We'll all be walking around smelling to high heaven because we haven't been able to take showers or clean our clothes. The alleged conspiracy behind the weather manipulation to keep California in a drought is so the evil bastards can own the water industry. After all that is supposed to be next thing, owning the water supply. On 10/01/2014 06:00 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: ~80% of California's water goes for agriculture, so yeah, food costs are going up. The last rain put the big fires out, and hoping for more water soon. The coast needs a lot of desalination plants, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : True, Richard, no one cares about a drought in the desert. But how you gonna feel when a tomato from California costs $5?! On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:19 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : I've been wondering and have even commented if the California Drought could possibly be a result of a weather war. For those who have been sleeping, weather modification has been going on for some time. There is even a movie (available on Netflix WI), The Colony starring Laurence Fishburne, which is about a post-apocalyptic future where the attempt to modify the weather to end climate disruption resulted in an eternal winter. For your entertainment here is a video (part 1 of several) that proposes that recent low pressure areas that would have brought rain to the west coast were disrupted possibly using weather control devices. http://youtu.be/_57_zuaAgfo http://youtu.be/_57_zuaAgfo Enjoy! On 9/30/2014 9:07 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Although fascinating I hope you don't lose any sleep over this. The California drought is probably just a conspiracy. There's no drought, it's just that there is no rain out there. If there was a drought out in the desert, would anybody care?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
I like much of this. Especially Belief leads to various forms of fundamentalism and shuts down the curiosity and inquiry that are essential to open the way for awakening and what lies beyond awakening. I have recently witnessed on another forum some of the ways in which belief taken to the point of True Believerism can turn in a heartbeat into angry, persecutorial Fundamentalism, right out of the Salem witch trials. One minute a guy is waxing blissed-outedly about something and the next minute someone disagrees with some piece of dogma he believes in and the same blissed-out guy turns into Torquemada. It's kinda icky. I still think Adyashanti uses the word truth too often, and somewhat inappropriately in that he seems to make an assumption that his truth is some kind of universal truth that everyone will someday come to recognize *as* truth. But I may not have read enough of his stuff to know for sure if that's what he's thinking or trying to say. It's just an impression I've gotten watching videos of him -- he speaks the word truth as if he is absolutely, completely convinced not only that he knows what that is for him, but for everyone else. Color me unconvinced. But I have friends who have met with him and really like him, and I reserve judgment until I have seen the guy live. I really like what he says here about riding the coattails of the teacher. That is SUCH a common trap, one that you see pretty much across the whole spiritual smorgasbord. Based on what I've seen in my life, becoming a groupie may not really be the smartest path to realizing one's enlightenment. :-) From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree I have reproduced some paragraphs below that describe the relationship of a student to the teacher and a spiritual teaching from one of the books of Zen-trained Adyashanti. This seems somewhat different than what is expected in the TMO. 'There is no such thing as riding the coattails of an enlightened being to enlightenment itself. A failure to understand this can lead (as so many have been led) to cultish fanaticism, fundamentalism, magical thinking, disappointment, disillusionment, and/or spiritual infancy. While it is understandable that many people project their unresolved parental issues, relationship issues, authority issues, sexuality issues, as well as God issues onto their spiritual teacher (and are sometimes encouraged to do so by unscrupulous spiritual teachers), it is essential to understand that a spiritual teacher's role is to be a good and wise spiritual guide as well as an embodiment of the truth that he or she points toward.' 'While there may be deep respect, love, and even devotion to one's spiritual teacher, it is important not to abdicate all of your authority over to your spiritual teacher or project all divinity exclusively onto them. Your life belongs in your hands, not someone else's. Take responsibility for it. There is a fine line between being truly open to the guidance of a spiritual teacher and regressing into a childish relationship where you abdicate your adulthood and project all wisdom and divinity onto the teacher. Each person needs to find a mature balance, being truly and deeply open to their spiritual guide without abdicating all of their authority.' 'The same can be applied to a spiritual teaching. A spiritual teaching is a finger pointing toward reality; it is not reality itself. To be in a true and mature relationship with a spiritual teaching requires you to apply it, not simply believe in it. Belief leads to various forms of fundamentalism and shuts down the curiosity and inquiry that are essential to open the way for awakening and what lies beyond awakening. A good spiritual teaching is something that you work with and apply. In doing so, it works on you (often in a hidden way) and helps reveal to you the truth (and falseness) that lies within you.' 'What is it to not abdicate your own authority and yet not claim a false or self-centred authority that will lead you into delusion? I am afraid that I cannot tell you. You see, no one can tell you how not to deceive yourself. If in the deepest place within you, you want and desire truth above all else, even though you go astray in a thousand different ways, you will find yourself somehow, again and again, being brought back to what is true. And if you do not want and desire truth above all else, well, you already know what that leads to.' From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 7:41 AM Subject: Re:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS
I was listening to an interview of a prominent Christian leader in Baghdad who fears ISIS is nearing an attack on the city. He has about 32 Iraqi army body guards. He asked one , what would he do if he saw ISIS coming at him and the soldier said that he would discard his uniform and run. The clergyman asked why he was a soldier if he wouldn't do his duty. The soldier replied that he just needs the money, a job, inferring there was no sense of duty or patriotism. I'm afraid this is typical of the Iraqi army. Wasn't this the norm during the first and second Iraq wars? On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 5:48 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 10/1/2014 1:56 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: An official stated it was accidental. But one wonders if it was intentional or just incompetence. This also reveals a serious weakness of the Iraqi security forces. According to what I've read, it's probably not uncommon for incidents like this to occur - supplies and ammunition dropped on the wrong target. Usually this kind of accident is due to human error and basic incompetence. Or, it could be the result of an ISIS sympathizer within the Iraqi Army. Or, it could be a sting operation with spiked ammo as a lure to determine the ISIS exact location. Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/2hxtzh/iraqi_air_force_accidentally_delivers_food_and/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/isis-iraqi-air-force_n_5908864.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp0592
Re: [FairfieldLife] This Week's TM Movement In Fairfield, Iowa
But will Maharaja antonio confirm whether or not he is the incarnation of Ram? From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 11:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] This Week's TM Movement In Fairfield, Iowa Monday: Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam, together with Dr. Morris, will meet with all the faculty and staff this Monday afternoon, September 29, starting at 3:00 p.m. in Dalby Hall. Dr. Bevan Morris will speak to all faculty and staff at 2:00 directly before Maharaja’s talk. Tuesday evening, Dr. Stuart Vernon will present news of Transcendental Meditation teaching activities in Cambodia, with photos and stories. Originally from New Zealand, Stuart is currently based in Cambodia and spent 10 years there helping run a Maharishi Vedic University that graduated several thousand students.Stuart will also be performing songs about experiences of Maharishi’s knowledge, from his Global Country of World Peace CD. Tuesday evening, September 30 8:00 pm in Dalby Hall Everyone is welcome Weds 2-4:30pm Grand Opening, TM Information Center in Downtown Fairfield, Iowa Wednesday evening, 8:00 pm – knowledge meeting with Maharaja Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam will hold a meeting for members of the community in the Maharishi Patanjali Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge. MUM Campus: Square dance demonstration at Argiro main lobby with 35 Japanese square dancers! Thursday October 2nd, Noon - 12:15 PM. Thursday-Sunday, Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam in conference on meditation science research with 50 scientists from around the globe. Friday: Victory Day – celebration with Maharaja Sunday evening: Seminar on Counseling and Psychological health services to be offered by MUM. 7:45 pm - 9:15 pm · Dalby Hall Exploring When should the Transcendental Meditation® technique be supported with conventional mental health services in a balanced approach with an aim to promote optimum physical and mental health for our community and to be sure everyone knows how and when to access professional services when needed. Please come, and please tell your friends about it. This week in meditating Fairfield, Iowa.. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome
Re: [FairfieldLife] Tinfoil hat time!
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Tinfoil hat time! Richard sounds really scared! Go figger. On 10/01/2014 04:30 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, conspiracy, terrorism or neither, we now have Patient Zero in the US. Forget Alaska! Yahoo had the following article on page 1 this morning: Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself from an uncontrolled Ebola outbreak Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself fr... Top ten things you need to do NOW to protect yourself from an uncontrolled Ebola outbreak View on www.naturalnews.com Preview by Yahoo On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:15 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 9/30/2014 7:46 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Bhairitu, I never thought of PTSD in the context of such events. But of course it makes perfect sense. Plus, spin meisters can use any situation, such as the ebola outbreak, to engender fear in people. The current Ebola conspiracy story is probably being perpetrated by the same group that spun the 9/11 WTC conspiracy story. But, if the WTC was a conspiracy, then the Ebola conspiracy may be true as well, in which case we should probably move to Alaska where there are no people or tall buildings. On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:48 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: To me 9-11 appears to be the first Shock and Awe operation for the endless war campaign. It gave much of the public PTSD. Recently I witnessed a much smaller version of that with the recent earthquake we had here. People were out-of-sorts for days. I'm amused at the reactions I'm getting here and after all you started this this thread. :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I like much of this. Especially Belief leads to various forms of fundamentalism and shuts down the curiosity and inquiry that are essential to open the way for awakening and what lies beyond awakening. I have recently witnessed on another forum some of the ways in which belief taken to the point of True Believerism can turn in a heartbeat into angry, persecutorial Fundamentalism, right out of the Salem witch trials. One minute a guy is waxing blissed-outedly about something and the next minute someone disagrees with some piece of dogma he believes in and the same blissed-out guy turns into Torquemada. It's kinda icky. I still think Adyashanti uses the word truth too often, and somewhat inappropriately in that he seems to make an assumption that his truth is some kind of universal truth that everyone will someday come to recognize *as* truth. But I may not have read enough of his stuff to know for sure if that's what he's thinking or trying to say. It's just an impression I've gotten watching videos of him -- he speaks the word truth as if he is absolutely, completely convinced not only that he knows what that is for him, but for everyone else. Color me unconvinced. But I have friends who have met with him and really like him, and I reserve judgment until I have seen the guy live. I really like what he says here about riding the coattails of the teacher. That is SUCH a common trap, one that you see pretty much across the whole spiritual smorgasbord. Based on what I've seen in my life, becoming a groupie may not really be the smartest path to realizing one's enlightenment. :-) For those who have been following my personal Methodology for Dealing with Barry Posts (Remember the disclaimer? Develop your own methods, results vary from person to person.) you may remember that what I do, for myself, is choose one sentence to read, thus avoiding the boredom (and worse). For This Barry Post I chose a sentence from the exact middle (I diversify my choices from opening sentences, to ending sentences, to one's in the middle). Ss here it is: But I may not have read enough of his stuff to know for sure if that's what he's thinking or trying to say. I agree. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree I have reproduced some paragraphs below that describe the relationship of a student to the teacher and a spiritual teaching from one of the books of Zen-trained Adyashanti. This seems somewhat different than what is expected in the TMO. 'There is no such thing as riding the coattails of an enlightened being to enlightenment itself. A failure to understand this can lead (as so many have been led) to cultish fanaticism, fundamentalism, magical thinking, disappointment, disillusionment, and/or spiritual infancy. While it is understandable that many people project their unresolved parental issues, relationship issues, authority issues, sexuality issues, as well as God issues onto their spiritual teacher (and are sometimes encouraged to do so by unscrupulous spiritual teachers), it is essential to understand that a spiritual teacher's role is to be a good and wise spiritual guide as well as an embodiment of the truth that he or she points toward.' 'While there may be deep respect, love, and even devotion to one's spiritual teacher, it is important not to abdicate all of your authority over to your spiritual teacher or project all divinity exclusively onto them. Your life belongs in your hands, not someone else's. Take responsibility for it. There is a fine line between being truly open to the guidance of a spiritual teacher and regressing into a childish relationship where you abdicate your adulthood and project all wisdom and divinity onto the teacher. Each person needs to find a mature balance, being truly and deeply open to their spiritual guide without abdicating all of their authority.' 'The same can be applied to a spiritual teaching. A spiritual teaching is a finger pointing toward reality; it is not reality itself. To be in a true and mature relationship with a spiritual teaching requires you to apply it, not simply believe in it. Belief leads to various forms of fundamentalism and shuts down the curiosity and inquiry that are essential to open the way for awakening and what lies beyond awakening. A good spiritual teaching is something that you work with and apply. In doing so, it works on you (often in a hidden way) and helps reveal to you the truth (and falseness) that lies within you.' 'What is it to not abdicate your own authority and yet not claim a false or self-centred authority that will lead you into delusion? I am afraid that I cannot
Re: [FairfieldLife] Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS
From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS I was listening to an interview of a prominent Christian leader in Baghdad who fears ISIS is nearing an attack on the city. He has about 32 Iraqi army body guards. He asked one , what would he do if he saw ISIS coming at him and the soldier said that he would discard his uniform and run. The clergyman asked why he was a soldier if he wouldn't do his duty. The soldier replied that he just needs the money, a job, inferring there was no sense of duty or patriotism. I'm afraid this is typical of the Iraqi army. Wasn't this the norm during the first and second Iraq wars? Shouldn't it have been the norm in all places and times? Think of the millions -- by now probably billions -- of people who wouldn't have been killed in this planet's numbnuts wars if the soldiers doing all the killing had just said, Fuck this, and gone home.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Iowa Suicide Rate
Here are the conclusions you could draw from this: 1) TM makes you more likely to commit suicide 2) people who do TM who decide to go live in Fairfield, Iowa, tend to self-medicate using TM, rather than seeking professional help for thigns that TM doesn't affect. 3) both of the above. There's no way to tell which conclusion is correct. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : people would like to know how Fairfield rates compare to other communities. Fairfield’s rate is indeed higher than the national average, which is 12.3 cases per population of 100,000, per year (as of 2011, the latest stats available). In Jefferson County, the rate is 19.83 cases per 100,000 as of 2014 (based on 20 suicides in 6 years with a county population of 16,810.) James Moore is correct in saying that the high suicides rate is a community-wide issue. As Matthew and James have pointed out in the comments, around a quarter of the 20 people who have died by suicide practiced TM. However, this does not mean, as James said, that suicide among TM practitioners is half the national average. On the contrary, the rate is actually higher than that of the county, because roughly 3,000 of the county’s nearly 17,000 practice TM. Assuming 5 of the residents who died by suicide were part of the meditating community of 3,000 in the past 6 years, the rate would be 27.75 cases per 100,000, which is more than double the national average. From the author of this piece, in the comments section: http://littlevillagemag.com/suicide-in-fairfield-iowa-town-struggles-with-mental-health-awareness http://littlevillagemag.com/suicide-in-fairfield-iowa-town-struggles-with-mental-health-awareness/?fb_action_ids=10204043010012260fb_action_types=og.likesfb_source=other_multilineaction_object_map=[772000562838922]action_type_map=[%22og.likes%22]action_ref_map=[]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: But Wait! There's More!
dear Dan, the acorn did not fall far from the tree (-: On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 11:11 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : And now they're talking about water rationing or how much water you will be allowed to use per household. We'll all be walking around smelling to high heaven because we haven't been able to take showers or clean our clothes. The alleged conspiracy behind the weather manipulation to keep California in a drought is so the evil bastards can own the water industry. After all that is supposed to be next thing, owning the water supply. Bhairitu, You are right on the money. Shh! My daughter is counsel for a London-based Litigation Partnership. She does a great deal of pro-bono for indigenous and other South American populations. The issue is always the same. Private Ownership v Public Ownership of resources. Cases have involved water, oil, land and, yes, soccer. She has never lost a case to either Corporation, Private interests or Corrupt Government. She spends more time at The World Court than at home. I am very proud. On 10/01/2014 06:00 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: ~80% of California's water goes for agriculture, so yeah, food costs are going up. The last rain put the big fires out, and hoping for more water soon. The coast needs a lot of desalination plants, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : True, Richard, no one cares about a drought in the desert. But how you gonna feel when a tomato from California costs $5?! On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:19 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : I've been wondering and have even commented if the California Drought could possibly be a result of a weather war. For those who have been sleeping, weather modification has been going on for some time. There is even a movie (available on Netflix WI), The Colony starring Laurence Fishburne, which is about a post-apocalyptic future where the attempt to modify the weather to end climate disruption resulted in an eternal winter. For your entertainment here is a video (part 1 of several) that proposes that recent low pressure areas that would have brought rain to the west coast were disrupted possibly using weather control devices. http://youtu.be/_57_zuaAgfo Enjoy! On 9/30/2014 9:07 PM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Although fascinating I hope you don't lose any sleep over this. The California drought is probably just a conspiracy.There's no drought, it's just that there is no rain out there.If there was a drought out in the desert, would anybody care?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Iowa Suicide Rate
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Here are the conclusions you could draw from this: 1) TM makes you more likely to commit suicide 2) people who do TM who decide to go live in Fairfield, Iowa, tend to self-medicate using TM, rather than seeking professional help for thigns that TM doesn't affect. 3) both of the above. There's no way to tell which conclusion is correct. 2 L d ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : people would like to know how Fairfield rates compare to other communities. Fairfield’s rate is indeed higher than the national average, which is 12.3 cases per population of 100,000, per year (as of 2011, the latest stats available). In Jefferson County, the rate is 19.83 cases per 100,000 as of 2014 (based on 20 suicides in 6 years with a county population of 16,810.) James Moore is correct in saying that the high suicides rate is a community-wide issue. As Matthew and James have pointed out in the comments, around a quarter of the 20 people who have died by suicide practiced TM. However, this does not mean, as James said, that suicide among TM practitioners is half the national average. On the contrary, the rate is actually higher than that of the county, because roughly 3,000 of the county’s nearly 17,000 practice TM. Assuming 5 of the residents who died by suicide were part of the meditating community of 3,000 in the past 6 years, the rate would be 27.75 cases per 100,000, which is more than double the national average. From the author of this piece, in the comments section: http://littlevillagemag.com/suicide-in-fairfield-iowa-town-struggles-with-mental-health-awareness http://littlevillagemag.com/suicide-in-fairfield-iowa-town-struggles-with-mental-health-awareness/?fb_action_ids=10204043010012260fb_action_types=og.likesfb_source=other_multilineaction_object_map=[772000562838922]action_type_map=[%22og.likes%22]action_ref_map=[]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: But Wait! There's More!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : dear Dan, the acorn did not fall far from the tree (-: Dear Share, You know me too well! People often comment on the fact that my daughter has chosen her Dad's career, and my son his Mother's. Other than jobs though, the personalities and physical characteristics got shaken up and distributed to both. On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 11:11 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : And now they're talking about water rationing or how much water you will be allowed to use per household. We'll all be walking around smelling to high heaven because we haven't been able to take showers or clean our clothes. The alleged conspiracy behind the weather manipulation to keep California in a drought is so the evil bastards can own the water industry. After all that is supposed to be next thing, owning the water supply. Bhairitu, You are right on the money. Shh! My daughter is counsel for a London-based Litigation Partnership. She does a great deal of pro-bono for indigenous and other South American populations. The issue is always the same. Private Ownership v Public Ownership of resources. Cases have involved water, oil, land and, yes, soccer. She has never lost a case to either Corporation, Private interests or Corrupt Government. She spends more time at The World Court than at home. I am very proud. On 10/01/2014 06:00 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: ~80% of California's water goes for agriculture, so yeah, food costs are going up. The last rain put the big fires out, and hoping for more water soon. The coast needs a lot of desalination plants, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : True, Richard, no one cares about a drought in the desert. But how you gonna feel when a tomato from California costs $5?! On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:19 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : I've been wondering and have even commented if the California Drought could possibly be a result of a weather war. For those who have been sleeping, weather modification has been going on for some time. There is even a movie (available on Netflix WI), The Colony starring Laurence Fishburne, which is about a post-apocalyptic future where the attempt to modify the weather to end climate disruption resulted in an eternal winter. For your entertainment here is a video (part 1 of several) that proposes that recent low pressure areas that would have brought rain to the west coast were disrupted possibly using weather control devices. http://youtu.be/_57_zuaAgfo http://youtu.be/_57_zuaAgfo Enjoy! On 9/30/2014 9:07 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Although fascinating I hope you don't lose any sleep over this. The California drought is probably just a conspiracy. There's no drought, it's just that there is no rain out there. If there was a drought out in the desert, would anybody care?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Iowa Suicide Rate
Lawson, I was speaking with a mental health professional in FF on a Wednesday. She had already dealt with 3 crises. I asked her what caused them. She said in all three cases, the people went off their medication. I've gotten the impression that this is quite common, whether the person is a meditator or not. It sounds like the medications can have uncomfortable side effects. I think many meditators would prefer to avoid such medications if possible. On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 12:06 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Here are the conclusions you could draw from this: 1) TM makes you more likely to commit suicide 2) people who do TM who decide to go live in Fairfield, Iowa, tend to self-medicate using TM, rather than seeking professional help for thigns that TM doesn't affect. 3) both of the above. There's no way to tell which conclusion is correct. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : people would like to know how Fairfield rates compare to other communities. Fairfield’s rate is indeed higher than the national average, which is 12.3 cases per population of 100,000, per year (as of 2011, the latest stats available). In Jefferson County, the rate is 19.83 cases per 100,000 as of 2014 (based on 20 suicides in 6 years with a county population of 16,810.) James Moore is correct in saying that the high suicides rate is a community-wide issue. As Matthew and James have pointed out in the comments, around a quarter of the 20 people who have died by suicide practiced TM. However, this does not mean, as James said, that suicide among TM practitioners is half the national average. On the contrary, the rate is actually higher than that of the county, because roughly 3,000 of the county’s nearly 17,000 practice TM. Assuming 5 of the residents who died by suicide were part of the meditating community of 3,000 in the past 6 years, the rate would be 27.75 cases per 100,000, which is more than double the national average. From the author of this piece, in the comments section: http://littlevillagemag.com/suicide-in-fairfield-iowa-town-struggles-with-mental-health-awareness
Re: [FairfieldLife] Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS
Well, the key is *all places, all times*. However, there are *motivators* like Saddam Hussein, who knew how to get his army to do his bidding, at least some of the times. Just wondering what world population would be had there never been any wars, especially if *billions* had never been killed. Universl altruism could be the death of us all. On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 9:54 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS I was listening to an interview of a prominent Christian leader in Baghdad who fears ISIS is nearing an attack on the city. He has about 32 Iraqi army body guards. He asked one , what would he do if he saw ISIS coming at him and the soldier said that he would discard his uniform and run. The clergyman asked why he was a soldier if he wouldn't do his duty. The soldier replied that he just needs the money, a job, inferring there was no sense of duty or patriotism. I'm afraid this is typical of the Iraqi army. Wasn't this the norm during the first and second Iraq wars? Shouldn't it have been the norm in all places and times? Think of the millions -- by now probably billions -- of people who wouldn't have been killed in this planet's numbnuts wars if the soldiers doing all the killing had just said, Fuck this, and gone home.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Iowa Suicide Rate
Actually you can. If TM takes you out of the ego, the sense of personal self, and if it works every time (i.e., you transcend at least once during a sitting), then in 40 years of meditation with some residence courses thrown in, you commit suicide some 30,000 times. If TM goes the distance (which some doubt), then eventually the suicide will be permanent. It won't be permanent in CC because ego is still in the centre of the active part of life in that experience. You need BC to catapult the ego to the periphery of life where it basically is on a short leash and can't run the show. Physical suicide results if TM dredges up something the ego can't deal with, and is more likely to occur in a 'see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil' oppressive environment where help is unavailable by design. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Here are the conclusions you could draw from this: 1) TM makes you more likely to commit suicide 2) people who do TM who decide to go live in Fairfield, Iowa, tend to self-medicate using TM, rather than seeking professional help for thi[ng]s that TM doesn't affect. 3) both of the above. There's no way to tell which conclusion is correct. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
5. Neurologically speaking, banishing the self must equate to a certain level of unscheduled tinkering with neurotransmitters and receptors, just because we can modulate the potentials of our conscious experience doesn't mean that those states are fidelitous to some input from our external, or physical realities. For a realized Self to be invariant, consistent in all circumstances, beyond pain and suffering, fire cannot wet it, fire cannot burn it, independent of waking sleeping and dreaming, etc, it seems reasonable that it should be invariant to significant shifts in serotonin, dopamine, and other neurotransmitter levels and receptivity. To what extent are classical states described in traditional texts, as well as contemporary non-dual and no-self states dependent upon brain function and levels of neurotransmitters, etc? Stated differently, can and does an exalted self (driven by non-standard levels of neurotransmitters and brain function) become misinterpreted as a realized Self? Is it a cake-and-eat-it-too phenomenon to measure and attempt to validate alternative / higher states of consciousness with physiological and brain measurement technology -- while also assuming / claiming such states survive bodily death? Separating brain function from deemed permanent (eternal) states of awareness seems a necessary first step for any discussion of post physical body death of realized beings. As well as associated states: to what extent are deep and intense bhakti experiences and modes driven by high serotonin levels (as well as other beyond 2-3 standard deviation levels of other neurotransmitters and other critical brain chemicals)? And /or great realizations about the nature of the universe, as well as intense bliss, driven by high dopamine levels, etc.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
That book was a big help to me, as it contained advice that no TM teacher I knew seemed to have a clue about. From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree My fav is The End of Your World, a book recommendation that I got at Batgap (returned the favor by using Batgap's commission link to Amazon).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Iowa Suicide Rate
Who says that the ego is destroyed or weakened or you are taken out of it or whatever with TM? Part of the issue is that we try to conflate Freud's terminology with Maharishi's and part of the issue is that we tend to assume that all meditation practices have the same effect, so the fact that mindfulness practices tend to weaken the functionality of the parts of the brain having to do with sense-of-self, combined with the interpretation of some very popular Buddhist sects that sense-of-self is evil, leads to all sorts of confusion. TM practice strengthens sense of self. Samadhi, or pure consciousness, during TM, also happens to be the point where the relaxed mind-wandering activity of the brain associated in Western science with sense of self happens to be greatest. When Fred Travis interviewed the people reporting CC for at least a year continuously, his interview question was: Describe your self. The people in CC responded along these lines, none of which suggest destruction of ego, in the sense that Freud would have understood, I believe: L1: We ordinarily think my self as this age; this color of hair; these hobbies . . . my experience is that my Self is a lot larger than that. It's immeasurably vast. . . on a physical level. It is not just restricted to this physical environment L2: It's the ‘‘I am-ness.’’ It's my Being. There's just a channel underneath that's just underlying everything. It's my essence there and it just doesn't stop where I stop. . . by ‘‘I,’’ I mean this 5 ft. 2 person that moves around here and there L3: I look out and see this beautiful divine Intelligence. . . you could say in the sky, in the tree, but really being expressed through these things. . . and these are my Self L4: I experience myself as being without edges or content. . . beyond the universe. . . all-pervading, and being absolutely thrilled, absolutely delighted with every motion that my body makes. With everything that my eyes see, my ears hear, my nose smells. There's a delight in the sense that I am able to penetrate that. My consciousness, my intelligence pervades everything I see, feel and think L5: When I say ’’I’’ that's the Self. There's a quality that is so pervasive about the Self that I'm quite sure that the ‘‘I’’ is the same ‘‘I’’ as everyone else's ‘‘I.’’ Not in terms of what follows right after. I am tall, I am short, I am fat, I am this, I am that. But the ‘‘I’’ part. The ‘‘I am’’ part is the same ‘‘I am’’ for you and me ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Actually you can. If TM takes you out of the ego, the sense of personal self, and if it works every time (i.e., you transcend at least once during a sitting), then in 40 years of meditation with some residence courses thrown in, you commit suicide some 30,000 times. If TM goes the distance (which some doubt), then eventually the suicide will be permanent. It won't be permanent in CC because ego is still in the centre of the active part of life in that experience. You need BC to catapult the ego to the periphery of life where it basically is on a short leash and can't run the show. Physical suicide results if TM dredges up something the ego can't deal with, and is more likely to occur in a 'see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil' oppressive environment where help is unavailable by design. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Here are the conclusions you could draw from this: 1) TM makes you more likely to commit suicide 2) people who do TM who decide to go live in Fairfield, Iowa, tend to self-medicate using TM, rather than seeking professional help for thi[ng]s that TM doesn't affect. 3) both of the above. There's no way to tell which conclusion is correct. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
Fred Travis published research on enlightened people. This review paper looks at the research: Transcendental experiences during meditation practice - Travis - 2013 - Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences - Wiley Online Library http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full Transcendental experiences during meditation practice - Travis - 2013 - Annals of the New Yor... http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full 1 Shear, J. 2006. The Experience of Meditation: Experts Introduce the Major Traditions. Princeton, NJ: The Infinity Foundation. 2 Travis, F. J. Shear. View on onlinelibrary.wiley.com http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full Preview by Yahoo Fred is doing new research on people in CC and will be using more sophisticated EEG analysis, and possibly other measures as well. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : 5. Neurologically speaking, banishing the self must equate to a certain level of unscheduled tinkering with neurotransmitters and receptors, just because we can modulate the potentials of our conscious experience doesn't mean that those states are fidelitous to some input from our external, or physical realities. For a realized Self to be invariant, consistent in all circumstances, beyond pain and suffering, fire cannot wet it, fire cannot burn it, independent of waking sleeping and dreaming, etc, it seems reasonable that it should be invariant to significant shifts in serotonin, dopamine, and other neurotransmitter levels and receptivity. To what extent are classical states described in traditional texts, as well as contemporary non-dual and no-self states dependent upon brain function and levels of neurotransmitters, etc? Stated differently, can and does an exalted self (driven by non-standard levels of neurotransmitters and brain function) become misinterpreted as a realized Self? Is it a cake-and-eat-it-too phenomenon to measure and attempt to validate alternative / higher states of consciousness with physiological and brain measurement technology -- while also assuming / claiming such states survive bodily death? Separating brain function from deemed permanent (eternal) states of awareness seems a necessary first step for any discussion of post physical body death of realized beings. As well as associated states: to what extent are deep and intense bhakti experiences and modes driven by high serotonin levels (as well as other beyond 2-3 standard deviation levels of other neurotransmitters and other critical brain chemicals)? And /or great realizations about the nature of the universe, as well as intense bliss, driven by high dopamine levels, etc.
[FairfieldLife] Samadhi and Brain Function (was Re: FF Suicide Rate)
Sparaig said: TM practice strengthens sense of self. Samadhi, or pure consciousness, during TM, also happens to be the point where the relaxed mind-wandering activity of the brain associated in Western science with sense of self happens to be greatest. What are the brain and physiological parameters that establish that a subject is in Samadhi? Same for mind-wandering activity of brain correlated with sense of self (individuality)? If there are brain and physiological parameters that establish that a subject is in Samadhi, then is Samadhi brain (and physiologically) dependent? Or is postulated that brain function is not a causal factor for Samadhi, but rather Samadhi causes these brain changes? If so, how was this established? If Samadhi is brain dependent, then established Samadhi (permanent in this life, coexistent with activity) would not be sustained upon death of the body. That would be inconsistent with significant portions of traditional literature that, among other things, state that established Samadhi perseveres after death of the body. Which in turn would then ten to place all statements in such traditional literature in question.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: But Wait! There's More!
On 10/01/2014 09:11 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : And now they're talking about water rationing or how much water you will be allowed to use per household. We'll all be walking around smelling to high heaven because we haven't been able to take showers or clean our clothes. The alleged conspiracy behind the weather manipulation to keep California in a drought is so the evil bastards can own the water industry. After all that is supposed to be next thing, owning the water supply. Bhairitu, You are right on the money. Shh! My daughter is counsel for a London-based Litigation Partnership. She does a great deal of pro-bono for indigenous and other South American populations. The issue is always the same. Private Ownership v Public Ownership of resources. Cases have involved water, oil, land and, yes, soccer. She has never lost a case to either Corporation, Private interests or Corrupt Government. She spends more time at The World Court than at home. I am very proud. Very good. There's a movie that deals with called Sleep Dealer. It used to be available on Netflix streaming but I rented years ago on BD when we still had Hollywood Video. I liked it well enough I bought a copy. Also a recent James Bond film had the antagonist as a crook who wanted to take over water systems. The CEO of Nestle's doesn't think that water should be a right. They've bought ArrowHead in California and I noticed a new truck this morning downtown distributing Nestle's PureLife water. Too bad too as Nestle's has dropped HFCS from a lot of their products. We don't need big corporations. It's all because the neo-Napoleonic plans of the CEOs and the support of their stockholders. This is a terrible flaw with publicly held companies. If they don't try to build empires the stockholders ask why not. Obviously I'm not a big fan of capitalism. I worked for a fun and successful software company but once it went public the fun went away. On 10/01/2014 06:00 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: ~80% of California's water goes for agriculture, so yeah, food costs are going up. The last rain put the big fires out, and hoping for more water soon. The coast needs a lot of desalination plants, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : True, Richard, no one cares about a drought in the desert. But how you gonna feel when a tomato from California costs $5?! On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:19 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : I've been wondering and have even commented if the California Drought could possibly be a result of a weather war. For those who have been sleeping, weather modification has been going on for some time. There is even a movie (available on Netflix WI), The Colony starring Laurence Fishburne, which is about a post-apocalyptic future where the attempt to modify the weather to end climate disruption resulted in an eternal winter. For your entertainment here is a video (part 1 of several) that proposes that recent low pressure areas that would have brought rain to the west coast were disrupted possibly using weather control devices. http://youtu.be/_57_zuaAgfo Enjoy! On 9/30/2014 9:07 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Although fascinating I hope you don't lose any sleep over this. /The California drought is probably just a conspiracy.//There's no drought, it's just that there is no rain out there.//If there was a drought out in the desert, would anybody care?/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS
There is something glaringly wrong with the ISF. That's why it can't defend it's own country. It appears that they're not motivated to defend the country. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/1/2014 1:56 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: An official stated it was accidental. But one wonders if it was intentional or just incompetence. This also reveals a serious weakness of the Iraqi security forces. According to what I've read, it's probably not uncommon for incidents like this to occur - supplies and ammunition dropped on the wrong target. Usually this kind of accident is due to human error and basic incompetence. Or, it could be the result of an ISIS sympathizer within the Iraqi Army. Or, it could be a sting operation with spiked ammo as a lure to determine the ISIS exact location. Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/2hxtzh/iraqi_air_force_accidentally_delivers_food_and/ http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/2hxtzh/iraqi_air_force_accidentally_delivers_food_and/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/isis-iraqi-air-force_n_5908864.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp0592 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/isis-iraqi-air-force_n_5908864.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp0592
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : That book was a big help to me, as it contained advice that no TM teacher I knew seemed to have a clue about. The End of Your World was recommended to me by a TMer. I am a TM Teacher who, for several years after Teacher Training didn't read anything in any other system of Spiritual Knowledge. After that I read evrything I could get my hands on. I can offer (or exchange recommendations) if you'd like. From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree My fav is The End of Your World, a book recommendation that I got at Batgap (returned the favor by using Batgap's commission link to Amazon).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS
Mike, I've suspected that this is the kind of attitude that pervades most of the ISF soldiers. There is no sense of national identity. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : I was listening to an interview of a prominent Christian leader in Baghdad who fears ISIS is nearing an attack on the city. He has about 32 Iraqi army body guards. He asked one , what would he do if he saw ISIS coming at him and the soldier said that he would discard his uniform and run. The clergyman asked why he was a soldier if he wouldn't do his duty. The soldier replied that he just needs the money, a job, inferring there was no sense of duty or patriotism. I'm afraid this is typical of the Iraqi army. Wasn't this the norm during the first and second Iraq wars? On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 5:48 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 10/1/2014 1:56 AM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: An official stated it was accidental. But one wonders if it was intentional or just incompetence. This also reveals a serious weakness of the Iraqi security forces. According to what I've read, it's probably not uncommon for incidents like this to occur - supplies and ammunition dropped on the wrong target. Usually this kind of accident is due to human error and basic incompetence. Or, it could be the result of an ISIS sympathizer within the Iraqi Army. Or, it could be a sting operation with spiked ammo as a lure to determine the ISIS exact location. Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/2hxtzh/iraqi_air_force_accidentally_delivers_food_and/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/isis-iraqi-air-force_n_5908864.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp0592
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS
Osho said that wars are caused by sexual repression. IOW, if the ISIS militants had girlfriends, they wouldn't go to war. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Iraqi Air Force Delivers Supplies to ISIS I was listening to an interview of a prominent Christian leader in Baghdad who fears ISIS is nearing an attack on the city. He has about 32 Iraqi army body guards. He asked one , what would he do if he saw ISIS coming at him and the soldier said that he would discard his uniform and run. The clergyman asked why he was a soldier if he wouldn't do his duty. The soldier replied that he just needs the money, a job, inferring there was no sense of duty or patriotism. I'm afraid this is typical of the Iraqi army. Wasn't this the norm during the first and second Iraq wars? Shouldn't it have been the norm in all places and times? Think of the millions -- by now probably billions -- of people who wouldn't have been killed in this planet's numbnuts wars if the soldiers doing all the killing had just said, Fuck this, and gone home.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: But Wait! There's More!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 10/01/2014 09:11 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : And now they're talking about water rationing or how much water you will be allowed to use per household. We'll all be walking around smelling to high heaven because we haven't been able to take showers or clean our clothes. The alleged conspiracy behind the weather manipulation to keep California in a drought is so the evil bastards can own the water industry. After all that is supposed to be next thing, owning the water supply. Bhairitu, You are right on the money. Shh! My daughter is counsel for a London-based Litigation Partnership. She does a great deal of pro-bono for indigenous and other South American populations. The issue is always the same. Private Ownership v Public Ownership of resources. Cases have involved water, oil, land and, yes, soccer. She has never lost a case to either Corporation, Private interests or Corrupt Government. She spends more time at The World Court than at home. I am very proud. Very good. There's a movie that deals with called Sleep Dealer. It used to be available on Netflix streaming but I rented years ago on BD when we still had Hollywood Video. I liked it well enough I bought a copy. Also a recent James Bond film had the antagonist as a crook who wanted to take over water systems. The CEO of Nestle's doesn't think that water should be a right. They've bought ArrowHead in California and I noticed a new truck this morning downtown distributing Nestle's PureLife water. Too bad too as Nestle's has dropped HFCS from a lot of their products. We don't need big corporations. It's all because the neo-Napoleonic plans of the CEOs and the support of their stockholders. This is a terrible flaw with publicly held companies. If they don't try to build empires the stockholders ask why not. Obviously I'm not a big fan of capitalism. I worked for a fun and successful software company but once it went public the fun went away. I love James Bond! Read all of Ian Fleming's Bond books and a few subsequent Bonds. Even some of the movies worked (kinda role model). I live in the vortex of neocon free-market ideology, and neoliberal economics The Corporation deals with it with great insight. As for enjoyable (?) entertainment, I recommend Forbrydelsen 1-3, I got it from a Dane blond (or is it blond Dane?) at a wine bar a coupla nights ago. On 10/01/2014 06:00 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: ~80% of California's water goes for agriculture, so yeah, food costs are going up. The last rain put the big fires out, and hoping for more water soon. The coast needs a lot of desalination plants, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : True, Richard, no one cares about a drought in the desert. But how you gonna feel when a tomato from California costs $5?! On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:19 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : I've been wondering and have even commented if the California Drought could possibly be a result of a weather war. For those who have been sleeping, weather modification has been going on for some time. There is even a movie (available on Netflix WI), The Colony starring Laurence Fishburne, which is about a post-apocalyptic future where the attempt to modify the weather to end climate disruption resulted in an eternal winter. For your entertainment here is a video (part 1 of several) that proposes that recent low pressure areas that would have brought rain to the west coast were disrupted possibly using weather control devices. http://youtu.be/_57_zuaAgfo http://youtu.be/_57_zuaAgfo Enjoy! On 9/30/2014 9:07 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Although fascinating I hope you don't lose any sleep over this. The California drought is probably just a conspiracy. There's no drought, it's just that there is no rain out there. If there was a drought out in the desert, would anybody care? Very good. There's a movie that deals with called Sleep Dealer. It used to be available on Netflix streaming but I rented years ago on BD when we still had Hollywood Video. I liked it well enough I bought a copy. Also a recent James Bond film had the antagonist as a crook who wanted to take over water systems. The CEO of Nestle's doesn't think that water should be a right.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Astral and Celetial [1 Attachment]
On 10/1/2014 9:11 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Plus, Richard, isn't Castanedes one of turq's heroes? And didn't he write about beings that are similar to fairies and pixies?! /Apparently Turq once read Castaneda's books - A Separate Reality before he even met Rama. According to the TB posted in a recent comment posted to FFL that he read Journey To Itxtlan and Tales Of Power while he was supposed to be taking a six month TM-Siddhi course. Maybe he is a slow reader and even then, he apparently didn't make the connection between the Yaqui teachings of don Juan and Asian shamanism. The supreme goal of the shaman is to abandon his body and rise up to heaven or descend into hell - not to let himself be possessed by his assisting spirits, by demons or the souls of the dead; the shaman's ideal is to master these spirits, not to let himself be occupied by them. Go figure./ /Only known photo of don Juan Matus/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: But Wait! There's More!
On 10/01/2014 12:22 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 10/01/2014 09:11 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : And now they're talking about water rationing or how much water you will be allowed to use per household. We'll all be walking around smelling to high heaven because we haven't been able to take showers or clean our clothes. The alleged conspiracy behind the weather manipulation to keep California in a drought is so the evil bastards can own the water industry. After all that is supposed to be next thing, owning the water supply. Bhairitu, You are right on the money. Shh! My daughter is counsel for a London-based Litigation Partnership. She does a great deal of pro-bono for indigenous and other South American populations. The issue is always the same. Private Ownership v Public Ownership of resources. Cases have involved water, oil, land and, yes, soccer. She has never lost a case to either Corporation, Private interests or Corrupt Government. She spends more time at The World Court than at home. I am very proud. Very good. There's a movie that deals with called Sleep Dealer. It used to be available on Netflix streaming but I rented years ago on BD when we still had Hollywood Video. I liked it well enough I bought a copy. Also a recent James Bond film had the antagonist as a crook who wanted to take over water systems. The CEO of Nestle's doesn't think that water should be a right. They've bought ArrowHead in California and I noticed a new truck this morning downtown distributing Nestle's PureLife water. Too bad too as Nestle's has dropped HFCS from a lot of their products. We don't need big corporations. It's all because the neo-Napoleonic plans of the CEOs and the support of their stockholders. This is a terrible flaw with publicly held companies. If they don't try to build empires the stockholders ask why not. Obviously I'm not a big fan of capitalism. I worked for a fun and successful software company but once it went public the fun went away. I love James Bond! Read all of Ian Fleming's Bond books and a few subsequent Bonds. Even some of the movies worked (kinda role model). I live in the vortex of neocon free-market ideology, and neoliberal economicsThe Corporation deals with it with great insight. As for enjoyable (?) entertainment, I recommend Forbrydelsen 1-3, I got it from a Dane blond (or is it blond Dane?) at a wine bar a coupla nights ago. You do realize that Forbrydelsen was remade as The Killing on AMC and most recently a season 4 on Netflix? It takes place in Seattle and those of us who lived there get a great laugh at the show. They should send the writers down there from BC for a couple days or a week. It's a pity that the original series has not played in the US either on Netflix or Hulu. I suspect some stupid rights issue by the execs at AMC. I noticed DMCA takedowns on a foreign show that FOX has licensed for a remake. FOX did license the original The Bridge season 1 for Hulu and apparently season 2 which was accidentally available for a couple weeks last May. It is supposed to run after this upcoming final season 2 US episode of the US version. I don't know why as season 2 of the US version took an entirely different story arc.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: King Tony's Pedigree
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : As for the rest of your treatise, it does become tiring to read it so often. (-: On 10/1/2014 8:38 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Atleast you seemed to have read it all. I find, for me, you start in on the first sentence, drag yourself to the second sentence, find yourself nodding off after the first paragraph, skimming down further into the post hoping to all that is holy or not holy that there will be something new or fresh. Finding that this is all just so much recycled rubbish you sigh and stop reading and move on. Chalk up another snoozer from bawee. Different day, same message. Maybe you forgot to realize that this story is meant for the lurking reporters - it probably doesn't have anything to do with you or Tony's pedigree. At the risk of being redundant myself, let me repeat the TB's FFL SOP: winning. Believe me, the lurking reporters have drifted off to sleep long ago... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Isn'tit fascinating the crap that people believe because the person they consider their spiritual teacher said it? Or even if they've only heard fifth-hand that he *might* have said it?
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
But CC really isn't enlightenment, it's just 'glorified ignorance' as M said. You get inner wakefulness and silence along with a deluded mind. So this paper is not about enlightened people. It's about people who have a certain degree of opening to spiritual experience, but far short of the goal. Fred's problem is he does not have access to currently used state-of-the-art equipment in the study of consciousness, and even if he did, he probably would not be allowed by the TMO to use it (fMRI for example), and he is probably under some other research restrictions as well, as he likely would be booted if he published any negative results. Fred: 'The experience of Transcendental Consciousness transcends language and provides a platform for experiencing the world more with re[s]pect to inner abstract structures and less with respect to outer, changing concrete objects. This experience of Transcendental Consciousness is not a luxury and should not be isolated to a few individuals transcending during meditation practice. Rather, the experience of Transcendental Consciousness should be available to everyone to allow them to realize their full human birthright.' He did not even mention CC in his conclusion (above) either. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Fred Travis published research on enlightened people. This review paper looks at the research: Transcendental experiences during meditation practice - Travis - 2013 - Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences - Wiley Online Library http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full Transcendental experiences during meditation practice - Travis - 2013 - Annals of the New Yor... http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full 1 Shear, J. 2006. The Experience of Meditation: Experts Introduce the Major Traditions. Princeton, NJ: The Infinity Foundation. 2 Travis, F. J. Shear. View on onlinelibrary.wiley.com http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full Preview by Yahoo Fred is doing new research on people in CC and will be using more sophisticated EEG analysis, and possibly other measures as well. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
He did not even mention CC in his conclusion (above) either. Er, talk about selective quoting. There's no conclusion section, but the discussion section, which you only partially quote, actually starts out talking about the integration of transcendental experiences with waking, dreaming and sleeping (CC). To suggest that he doesn't mention it when its the first line of the first paragraph, is, well, overtly deceptive: Discussion Brain patterns that defined transcendental experiences during TM practice and the integration of transcendental experiences with waking, dreaming, and sleeping were mainly found in frontal brain areas. This suggests that frontal circuits may play a critical role in transcendental experiences and the growth of higher states of consciousness. These states could be called higher states in that (1) the subject/object relationship is different in these states compared to waking, sleeping, and dreaming; (2) the sense of self is more expanded in these states; and (3) the physiological patterns are distinct from those during waking, dreaming, and sleeping. The development of higher states may be an extension of the developmental trajectory that began as a toddler and continued into adulthood, supporting the emergence of adult abstract reasoning. Brain development begins in posterior sensory areas, which myelinate by age four. Posterior areas process sensory experiences and create the concrete present. Activity in posterior areas are associated with the first two stages of cognitive development described by Piaget—the sensorimotor and preoperational stages.[53] http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full#nyas12316-bib-0053 The corpus callosum, which connects the left and right hemispheres, myelinates from age 7 to age 10. Now the dominant level of awareness de-embeds from sensory experience and reintegrates at the level of concrete operations—the ability to think about the objects that you see. The last brain circuits to myelinate are connections with frontal executive areas. These circuits begin to myelinate around age 12 and end around age 25.[54] http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full#nyas12316-bib-0054 With frontal myelination, the dominant level of awareness de-embeds from thinking and reintegrates at the level of formal operations—the ability to think about thinking. Now the teenager can see consequences; they can generate different reasons to explain observations. Language learning is considered the engine for the development of abstract adult thinking. Language provides a symbolic system to represent objects and so allows a child to mentally manipulate concrete objects.[55] http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full#nyas12316-bib-0055 However, we can become stuck in our words and concepts. To develop beyond language-based thinking, we need a technique to transcend language and enable the experience of pure (content-free) consciousness underlying the changing activity of thinking and feeling. The experience of Transcendental Consciousness transcends language and provides a platform for experiencing the world more with repect to inner abstract structures and less with respect to outer, changing concrete objects. This experience of Transcendental Consciousness is not a luxury and should not be isolated to a few individuals transcending during meditation practice. Rather, the experience of Transcendental Consciousness should be available to everyone to allow them to realize their full human birthright. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But CC really isn't enlightenment, it's just 'glorified ignorance' as M said. You get inner wakefulness and silence along with a deluded mind. So this paper is not about enlightened people. It's about people who have a certain degree of opening to spiritual experience, but far short of the goal. Fred's problem is he does not have access to currently used state-of-the-art equipment in the study of consciousness, and even if he did, he probably would not be allowed by the TMO to use it (fMRI for example), and he is probably under some other research restrictions as well, as he likely would be booted if he published any negative results. Fred: 'The experience of Transcendental Consciousness transcends language and provides a platform for experiencing the world more with re[s]pect to inner abstract structures and less with respect to outer, changing concrete objects. This experience of Transcendental Consciousness is not a luxury and should not be isolated to a few individuals transcending during meditation practice. Rather, the experience of Transcendental Consciousness should be available to everyone to allow them to realize their full human birthright.' He did not even mention CC in his conclusion (above) either. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Fred Travis
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Spiritual and Material Values Every experience has its level of physiology, and so unbounded awareness has its own level of physiology which can be measured. Every aspect of life is integrated and connected with every other phase. When we talk of scientific measurements, it does not take away from the spiritual experience. We are not responsible for those times when spiritual experience was thought of as metaphysical. Everything is physical. Consciousness is the product of the functioning of the brain. Talking of scientific measurements is no damage to that wholeness of life which is present everywhere and which begins to be lived when the physiology is taking on a particular form. This is our understanding about spirituality: it is not on the level of faith --it is on the level of blood and bone and flesh and activity. It is measurable. -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Sigh... Does no-one read my posts? I try to keep them to a minimum these days... Here's a mainstream review article on mind-wandering that I already linked to: Towards a Neuroscience of Mind-Wandering http://journal.frontiersin.org/Journal/10.3389/fnhum.2011.00056/full http://journal.frontiersin.org/Journal/10.3389/fnhum.2011.00056/full Towards a Neuroscience of Mind-Wandering http://journal.frontiersin.org/Journal/10.3389/fnhum.2011.00056/full Mind wandering is among the most robust and permanent expressions of human conscious awareness, classically regarded by philosophers, clinicians a... View on journal.frontie... http://journal.frontiersin.org/Journal/10.3389/fnhum.2011.00056/full Preview by Yahoo From the abstract: ...classically regarded by philosophers, clinicians, and scientists as a core element of an intact sense of self. Further in MW serves “self” functions As detailed in the context of strategy B1, there are theoretical (Gallagher, 2000 http://journal.frontiersin.org/Journal/10.3389/fnhum.2011.00056/full#B20), neuroanatomical (Gusnard, 2005 http://journal.frontiersin.org/Journal/10.3389/fnhum.2011.00056/full#B28; Northoff et al., 2006 http://journal.frontiersin.org/Journal/10.3389/fnhum.2011.00056/full#B45), and intuitive grounds to claim that MW is a self-related cognitive function, which serves to create and maintain an integrated, meaningful sense of self out of various aspects of self-related information and cognition. Northoff et al. (2006) http://journal.frontiersin.org/Journal/10.3389/fnhum.2011.00056/full#B45, for instance, conceptualizes MW as a “psychological baseline,” a form of continuous self-referential processing which is evident during non-task conditions and which ultimately forms our subjective experience of a “continuous stream of subjective experience” or “phenomenal time” where past, present, and future are no longer divided but integrated. Maharishi has always (in my memory) described TM as mind-wandering, allowing the mind to wander in the direction of greatest happiness, which he described as pure consciousness, pure self-referral consciousness, so his descriptions of the process of TM allowing the mind to settle down into its state of least excitation, while saying that that is pure self-referral consciousness, is supported by Western scientific concepts of self. Several studies published over the years have examined the physiological functioning of someone reporting pure consciousness during TM. The very concept of using science to study meditation and spirituality was proposed by Maharishi back as early as 1957. By 1959, _Hermit in My House_ described his students building a dark-room shack in the backyard of the Olson's house so they could photograph TMers in an attempt to catch subtle glow from meditator's faces. That never worked out, but the scientific research program on studying the physiology of meditation has been ongoing ever since, especially with the publication of R Keith Wallace's PhD research in Science in 1970. I quoted Maharishi's take on researching meditation at the start of this message. Research on pure consciousness during TM, and so on: Electrophysiologic characteristics of ... [Psychosom Med. 1984 May-Jun] - PubMed - NCBI http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6377350 Electrophysiologic characteristics of ... [Psychosom Med. 1984 May-Jun] - PubMed - ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6377350 PubMed comprises more than 23 million citations for biomedical literature from MEDLINE, life science journals, and online books. Citations may include links to full-text content from PubMed Central and publisher web sites. View on www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6377350 Preview by Yahoo Autonomic patterns during respiratory suspe... [Psychophysiology. 1997] - PubMed - NCBI http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9009807 Autonomic patterns during respiratory suspe... [Psychophysiology. 1997] -
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 10/01/2014 12:22 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 10/01/2014 09:11 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : And now they're talking about water rationing or how much water you will be allowed to use per household. We'll all be walking around smelling to high heaven because we haven't been able to take showers or clean our clothes. The alleged conspiracy behind the weather manipulation to keep California in a drought is so the evil bastards can own the water industry. After all that is supposed to be next thing, owning the water supply. Bhairitu, You are right on the money. Shh! My daughter is counsel for a London-based Litigation Partnership. She does a great deal of pro-bono for indigenous and other South American populations. The issue is always the same. Private Ownership v Public Ownership of resources. Cases have involved water, oil, land and, yes, soccer. She has never lost a case to either Corporation, Private interests or Corrupt Government. She spends more time at The World Court than at home. I am very proud. Very good. There's a movie that deals with called Sleep Dealer. It used to be available on Netflix streaming but I rented years ago on BD when we still had Hollywood Video. I liked it well enough I bought a copy. Also a recent James Bond film had the antagonist as a crook who wanted to take over water systems. The CEO of Nestle's doesn't think that water should be a right. They've bought ArrowHead in California and I noticed a new truck this morning downtown distributing Nestle's PureLife water. Too bad too as Nestle's has dropped HFCS from a lot of their products. We don't need big corporations. It's all because the neo-Napoleonic plans of the CEOs and the support of their stockholders. This is a terrible flaw with publicly held companies. If they don't try to build empires the stockholders ask why not. Obviously I'm not a big fan of capitalism. I worked for a fun and successful software company but once it went public the fun went away. I love James Bond! Read all of Ian Fleming's Bond books and a few subsequent Bonds. Even some of the movies worked (kinda role model). I live in the vortex of neocon free-market ideology, and neoliberal economics The Corporation deals with it with great insight. As for enjoyable (?) entertainment, I recommend Forbrydelsen 1-3, I got it from a Dane blond (or is it blond Dane?) at a wine bar a coupla nights ago. You do realize that Forbrydelsen was remade as The Killing on AMC and most recently a season 4 on Netflix? It takes place in Seattle and those of us who lived there get a great laugh at the show. They should send the writers down there from BC for a couple days or a week. Yes. It's a pity that the original series has not played in the US either on Netflix or Hulu. I suspect some stupid rights issue by the execs at AMC. I noticed DMCA takedowns on a foreign show that FOX has licensed for a remake. FOX did license the original The Bridge season 1 for Hulu and apparently season 2 which was accidentally available for a couple weeks last May. It is supposed to run after this upcoming final season 2 US episode of the US version. I don't know why as season 2 of the US version took an entirely different story arc. Worried mother detective and druggie sidekick. Just OK. Bhairitu, Let me remind you again. DO NOT LET CORPORATIONS DETERMINE ANYTHING TO TO WITH YOUR LIFE. Let them die on their own.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My take on Waking Up by Sam Harris
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But CC really isn't enlightenment, it's just 'glorified ignorance' as M said. It's not bad. You get inner wakefulness and silence along with a deluded mind. So this paper is not about enlightened people. Kinda is, Fourth State and Fifth State count for somethin.It's about people who have a certain degree of opening to spiritual experience, but far short of the goal. Not to shabby? Fred's problem (?) is he does not have access to currently used state-of-the-art equipment in the study of consciousness, and even if he did, he probably would not be allowed by the TMO to use it (fMRI for example) as I'm sure you'd know, and he is probably under some other research restrictions as well proly?, as he likely would be booted if he published any negative results likely sooo?. Fred: 'The experience of Transcendental Consciousness transcends language and provides a platform for experiencing the world more with re[s]pect to inner abstract structures and less with respect to outer, changing concrete objects. This experience of Transcendental Consciousness is not a luxury and should not be isolated to a few individuals transcending during meditation practice. Rather, the experience of Transcendental Consciousness should be available to everyone to allow them to realize their full human birthright.' He did not even mention CC in his conclusion (above) either. I guess he knew you had him figered. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Fred Travis published research on enlightened people. This review paper looks at the research: Transcendental experiences during meditation practice - Travis - 2013 - Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences - Wiley Online Library http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full Transcendental experiences during meditation practice - Travis - 2013 - Annals of the New Yor... http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full 1 Shear, J. 2006. The Experience of Meditation: Experts Introduce the Major Traditions. Princeton, NJ: The Infinity Foundation. 2 Travis, F. J. Shear. View on onlinelibrary.wiley.com http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full Preview by Yahoo Fred is doing new research on people in CC and will be using more sophisticated EEG analysis, and possibly other measures as well. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: But Wait! There's More!
So, to come in late to this conversation about the privitization of water I'd like to offer up a suggestion. A friend of mine from high school, Deborah Kaufman and her husband made a great documentary about this issue in 2004. It used to be available on streaming but is no longer unfortunately. Here is a preview: Thirst - Behind the Lens - POV | PBS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dol-5tjL7MI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dol-5tjL7MI Thirst - Behind the Lens - POV | PBS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dol-5tjL7MI Global corporations are rapidly buying up local water supplies, and communities face losing control of one of their most precious resources. Looking at tensi... View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dol-5tjL7MI Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: But Wait! There's More!
On 10/01/2014 04:26 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 10/01/2014 12:22 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 10/01/2014 09:11 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : And now they're talking about water rationing or how much water you will be allowed to use per household. We'll all be walking around smelling to high heaven because we haven't been able to take showers or clean our clothes. The alleged conspiracy behind the weather manipulation to keep California in a drought is so the evil bastards can own the water industry. After all that is supposed to be next thing, owning the water supply. Bhairitu, You are right on the money. Shh! My daughter is counsel for a London-based Litigation Partnership. She does a great deal of pro-bono for indigenous and other South American populations. The issue is always the same. Private Ownership v Public Ownership of resources. Cases have involved water, oil, land and, yes, soccer. She has never lost a case to either Corporation, Private interests or Corrupt Government. She spends more time at The World Court than at home. I am very proud. Very good. There's a movie that deals with called Sleep Dealer. It used to be available on Netflix streaming but I rented years ago on BD when we still had Hollywood Video. I liked it well enough I bought a copy. Also a recent James Bond film had the antagonist as a crook who wanted to take over water systems. The CEO of Nestle's doesn't think that water should be a right. They've bought ArrowHead in California and I noticed a new truck this morning downtown distributing Nestle's PureLife water. Too bad too as Nestle's has dropped HFCS from a lot of their products. We don't need big corporations. It's all because the neo-Napoleonic plans of the CEOs and the support of their stockholders. This is a terrible flaw with publicly held companies. If they don't try to build empires the stockholders ask why not. Obviously I'm not a big fan of capitalism. I worked for a fun and successful software company but once it went public the fun went away. I love James Bond! Read all of Ian Fleming's Bond books and a few subsequent Bonds. Even some of the movies worked (kinda role model). I live in the vortex of neocon free-market ideology, and neoliberal economicsThe Corporation deals with it with great insight. As for enjoyable (?) entertainment, I recommend Forbrydelsen 1-3, I got it from a Dane blond (or is it blond Dane?) at a wine bar a coupla nights ago. You do realize that Forbrydelsen was remade as The Killing on AMC and most recently a season 4 on Netflix? It takes place in Seattle and those of us who lived there get a great laugh at the show. They should send the writers down there from BC for a couple days or a week. Yes. It's a pity that the original series has not played in the US either on Netflix or Hulu. I suspect some stupid rights issue by the execs at AMC. I noticed DMCA takedowns on a foreign show that FOX has licensed for a remake. FOX did license the original The Bridge season 1 for Hulu and apparently season 2 which was accidentally available for a couple weeks last May. It is supposed to run after this upcoming final season 2 US episode of the US version. I don't know why as season 2 of the US version took an entirely different story arc. Worried mother detective and druggie sidekick. Just OK. Bhairitu, Let me remind you again. DO NOT LET CORPORATIONS DETERMINE ANYTHING TO TO WITH YOUR LIFE. Let them die on their own. _ So what are you suggesting? Dawn the eyepatch as Turq does? Psst! I found some episodes of Forbry on Daily Motion some time back. There's a landmark decision (in Germany) that watching a show online does not constitute piracy. Torrenting makes you complicit since you are making packets available from your computer.
