[FairfieldLife] Re: TM/Longer-Life study picked up by mainstream ABC News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blank http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=721613 Meditation calms the mind, lengthens life: study Reuters May. 2, 2005 - By Charnicia E. Huggins NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Increasing evidence suggests that transcendental meditation may not only reduce stress, but also may help adults with high blood pressure to live longer, according to a new study. There are many non-drug techniques for reducing blood pressure, but none...extend life, study author Dr. Robert H. Schneider, of the Maharishi University of Management in Iowa, told Reuters Health. He added that the current study shows that you can live longer with a mind-body intervention. Transcendental meditation is a technique for calming the body and mind, to allow individuals to enter a state of restful alertness, in which the body is awake but the mind is not engaged in conscious thought. It is a method of waking up the body's own self-repair mechanisms, Schneider said. The new report, published in this month's American Journal of Cardiology, is based on a review of data from two studies that showed that transcendental meditation helped decrease blood pressure among white and African-American adults, respectively. Schneider and his team evaluated the association between the meditation technique and risk of death among the study participants. The two studies included 202 men and women, about 72 years old on average, who had pre-hypertension or mild hypertension. They were assigned to a transcendental meditation group, or to various comparison groups of other relaxation techniques. Participants in the two studies were followed for about eight years on average -- a maximum of nearly 19 years -- during which 101 individuals died. Overall, men and women who practiced transcendental meditation not only had lower blood pressures than those in the other groups, but were also 23 percent less likely to die from any cause, Schneider and his team report. In particular, they were 30 percent less likely to die from cardiovascular disease and 49 percent less likely to die from cancer. The integrated holistic transcendental meditation technique does not have any harmful side effects, Schneider said. Schneider is the director of the Institute for Natural Medicine and Prevention, funded by the National Institutes of Health's National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine. SOURCE: American Journal of Cardiology, May 2, 2005. Copyright 2005 Reuters News Service. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Copyright © 2005 ABC News Internet Ventures * http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/03/health/03thera.html Dr. Arthur Hartz, a professor in the family medicine department at the University of Iowa College of Medicine and a co-author of the study, said avoiding unnecessary medicine was always a good idea. But he added: T.M. classes are expensive, and all behavioral interventions require considerable effort to learn, and time and discipline to maintain. My guess is that they represent the best therapy for only a small percentage of patients with hypertension. (more at link) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] MUM 10 Pm bedtime?
Everybody in the city has to be at home and in bed by curfew time, when all the lights go off http://slate.com/id/2117846/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] More Indian students in USA, but not the pundits...
http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=45950 Express India, 2 May 2005 Security check on visa applications from students in science and technology fields is believed to have discouraged many Chinese students from applying to US schools. Not so for Indian students, who faced the same screening and whose enrolment shot up by 46 per cent from the 2000-01 academic year to 2003-04. Chinese enrolment rose three per cent during that time. I expect their (Indian) numbers to continue to grow, said Peggy Bloomenthal, Vice-President for educational programmes at the Institute of International Education in New York. Indian students haven't experienced problems with security checks to the same degree as the Chinese because the processing has gone a lot smoother at the US Embassy in New Delhi. They took measures to shorten the delays at an earlier stage, she was quoted as saying. (more at link above) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP I'm beginning to wonder if the $336 million loss (see posted tax returns) is motivating this last extraction of funds before the final pullout to India and points east (naw, that's too conspiratorial) JohnY The loss you are referring to was not a loss except on paper. Hartnett gave stock in the privately-held Globalink to Maharishi Global Development, and assigned an arbitrary and absurdly large value to that stock (since it was not a publicly-traded stock, he could assign any value to it). When Globalink went out of business http://geocities.com/bbrigante/big.html , MGD could no longer list the stock, and so the paper showed a minus figure for that year, but it was not a real loss any more than it was a real gain at any time, and since non-profits don't pay federal tax, it had no impact one way or the other. Thanks for that info, Bob - clears that up. Could MDG use the paper value of that stock as some kind of collateral for borrowing other money? JohnY *** It would be hard to imagine any lender falling for a ploy like that, so I doubt it. Banks usually want real collateral or other guarantees, and neither inflated stock nor raams are going to cut it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chicago Sun-Times quotes MMY last weekend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blank Chicago Sun Times 22 April 2005 Maharishi's message of the dawning of a golden age is catching the eye of the media. In the column, Casual Friday, in the Chicago Sun TImes, staff reporter Chris Whitehead cited a press release he received with a quote from Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, ''Mankind has now entered the gate of a golden time of affluence and peace for everyone born on earth.' Whitehead mused that before reading the press release he had intended to write a piece complaining about money being spent on the Bush Social Security circus roaming about the land. After reading the release he decided, '...never mind. Sounds like those benefits will keep on coming.' Copyright © 2005 Global Good News(sm) Service. the original article is here: http://www.suntimes.com/output/casual/cst-fin-casual22.html interesting to see the actual reference in its context... compared to the movement spin on it. ha, ha Many of the postings on Global Good News go beyond spin. A typical example is today's posting of an article in the Fort Wayne Journal Gazette -- here's the Global Good News version: http://www.globalgoodnews.com/health-news-a.html?art=11149708386442683 But the actual article pretty much said generic meditation was as good as TM, so GGN just cut out all that stuff. Not only is this a violation of copyright (which allows non-profit web sites to reprint articles as long as they don't modify them), but it's stupid for the TMO to ignore this genericizing tendency when it comes to TM research, which other meditation systems claim as their own benefit without the research -- by avoiding the true nature of newspaper writing about TM (which tends to lump all meditation together in a generic batch), the TMO ignores the object lesson that TM needs to have a strong brand identity, which is usually accomplished by having a celebrity spokesman do TV ads in which he touts the brand. One of many possibilities for TM would be Pat Sajak, host of the show Wheel of Fortune, who has mentioned on air that he does TM (because Merv Griffin, creator of Wheel, recommended it), a guy with strong public recognition -- and if he were featured in TV ads, then this genericizing problem for TM would be alleviated (of course, the price of TM would need to be lowered in order to run a TV campaign). I'm going to email the Fort Wayne Journal Gazette and inform them of the alteration of this article by GGN -- when I have done this before, sometimes the papers ignore it, but other times, articles have been removed from GGN after the newspapers complained (I don't keep track of specifics, but anybody who reads GGN and the original article can do this experiment for themselves). Both articles in full below (besides not altering articles to eliminate unfavorable refs to TM, GGN needs to get somebody who is a native speaker of English to do these postings, and also somebody who can spell or use a spell check, as the author's name is misspelled): GGN: Calm moments ease stress by Nancy Venderly, The Journal Gazette writer FortWayne.com Fort Wayne, United States 1 May 2005 On 1 May 2005 FortWayne.com reported: The Mind/Body Medical Institute at Harvard Medical School says over 50 per cent of US adults report high stress on a daily basis. To combat stress, this article offered information on various types of meditation, including Transcendental Meditation. It noted that TM has been instrumental in making meditation a mainstream practice in the US. It is a joy for Global Good News service to feature this news, which indicates the success of the life-supporting programmes Maharishi has designed to bring fulfilment to the field of health. The Mind/Body Medical Institute at Harvard Medical School says more than 50 per cent of US adults report high stress on a daily basis which, left untreated, can affect performance and health. The article noted that meditation is an ancient practice, but is quickly becoming a recognized method in modern times of treating stress and gaining mental, physical, and emotional benefits. Transcendental Meditation (TM) is a simple, uncomplicated technique which the article reported as the 'most prevalent' form of meditation in the in United States. TM has been the subject of significant research and has gained 'respect as a health-care practice'. The article noted that TM is known for is its profound effects on both the mind and the body. The author explained that a study at the University of California Los Angeles found that during the practice of TM, the individual experiences a unique state of rest in the body while at the same time achieving alertness in the mind. Researchers at Harvard Medical School found that individuals practising TM experience lowered blood pressure, decreased heart rate and metabolic rate, and reduced nervous
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so basically MMY knows everything and whatever objection / criticism is kali yuga. did I get right? :) BobBrigantewrote: You're doing OK, so far. I might point out that I am not saying that MMY is infallible in terms of tactics, but the strategy of Nature (which MMY elucidated in his booklet The Divine Plan see http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html#light ) is correct: enlightenment in the Kaliyuga can only proceed slowly, or the people living in darkness will freak out (a response well documented in history, Jesus being just one example of a rejection of the light by an ignorant world). Now that a few people in the West are TM candles (enough to reduce the shock of a revived Vedic culture), the revival of Vedic culture in India can take off http://www.vedicpandits.org/ and it does not matter what happens in the West, the crowns and the clown suits, the doomed-to-failure mall stores, etc., because a Vedic India will illuminate the whole world, like it or not. Bob Brigante Bob, exactly which people do you consider to be the real TM candles here in the west? The folks who went to the recert course and are obeying MMY's instructions and trying to open mall stores? The people who have drifted away disenchanted with the TMO mo? You yourself? What leads you to believe that there are enough of these candles at this time? I, too, want a Vedic India that illuminates the whole world, but you seem so absolutely certain of your beliefs. *** Any regular TMer is candling da world, dube. Are there enough candles in the West so that Vedic India will not be too shocking to the world? That's the scenario I support, may not be true, the world also may may carry on with the ignorant inertia of the Kaliyuga, which MMY also has said in his recent press conferences: (paraphrasing: it may take hundreds of centuries for the pundits to restore Vedic culture in India). But it does not matter, anybody can gain enlightenment in any age, so Kaliyuga or not, life goes on, and those who are tired of living life at an animal level can do so. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Book
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Geoff Gilpin's web site, http://www.skepticfiles.org/weird/geoff- gb.htm , he says: I was born in 1953 with a very rare birth defect. Unlike most people, I was not born on any particular date or time, which means that I do not have an astrological sign. I have learned to accept this handicap, and it has not kept me from leading a full and productive life. *** I have not read a lot of Jyotish charts, but every one that I have read has been dead on in its predictions, especially about things like a major birth defect. If you have not done a Jyotish chart (if you can put aside your objection to assigning a particular date or time to your birth) with a authentic software program (Parashara's Light) or with the Maharishi Jyotish folks, you're missing a bet because seeing what karma you have got coming in this life helps one to understand that the universe is not random, everybody gets what they dished out before, and this is useful for the personality, plus, it may be possible to do yagyas to correct upcoming bad influences from your past indicated by the chart. I believe that a very rare birth defect is meant as humor. But if the answer is meant as humour, it's very dry, indeed. (BTW, I'm not being racist or bigotted here: I was also born in '53 3 months early...) JohnY * OK, I get it...I've been working with Homer Simpson at the nuclear power plant, and that has had a bad influence on my intelligence and capacity to understand a joke. DOH! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Tm or death
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[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/1/05 10:18 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * What I have posted has absolutely nothing to do with faith. The facts are there in MMY's writing The Divine Plan. You mean anything MMY says is fact and not something to have faith in, or doubt? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/50022 There's a tautology for you. You linked me back to the message to which I just responded. * No, I linked to the reply which I made to the message to which you responded. I haven't called you an idiot for a few days, so let me remind you what a moron you are. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My confidence in what MMY says is based on my personal experience of 37 years of TM. It's similar to my confidence that when I push the little button to cross the sidewalk, the cars will come to a stop, and I can proceed through the crosswalk. Don't be coming to New Orleans. They just put crosswalks here to get federal funds. Nobody here would think that a car would stop just because they walked between a couple lines. * I'm talking about California, where pedestrians are actually respected and the cops are death on crosswalk violations by vehicles. In most places, it's like you describe New Orleans: a couple lines are just for scoring in a real-life Death Race 2000 http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/death_race_2000/about.php I push the little TM button, and transcend the limitations of mind, and I can see how this, when adopted by many people, and supplemented with Vedic recitation, can create a friendlier environment on earth. You can call this faith, but it is not a baseless faith, but a faith or confidence based on my own experience and considerable study of Vedic and other lit. OK, but when you aren't transcending don't the limitations that you have self imposed on your mind just sort of get old? Nobody needs for you to believe in these things, including you. When you talk about this influx of light all I hear is pain and fear from you. There is no influx of light as all is light already. The only influx is your grasping at a concept of light. Nevermind. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/1/05 10:28 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * I've seen MMY stumble walking down stairs, and certainly stuff like appearances at the Beach Boys concert (to give a TM lecture in front of kids who were waiting to hear the Boys perform) is a mistake, but these are merely tactical errors. The life-supporting influence of MMY is always right, and the big picture, the strategy, of the TM movement is right. Some of MMY observations are meant to be encouraging to ignorant people, like one tells a child trying to learn to ride a bike, not intended as holy writ. Recently MMY said at a press conference that it could take hundreds of centuries before the pundits made India Vedic. Frank talk like this may be discouraging to people, so he usually says things that predict quick success -- being truthful means being life-supporting. There is the old story of a sage sitting at a crossroads when an obviously distressed man runs by -- in a few moments, some bandits who were chasing the victim appeared and asked which way their mark went. The sage sent them down the wrong road. This was not factually true, but it was true to the life- supporting values that wise men follow, so it was true. Guru Dev sent MMY to enlighten a very very ignorant world, and in that process, MMY may have to not stick to the facts at every turn in order to successfully accomplish his important and divinely-mandated mission. Bob, I sincerely find your faith admirable and at times, touching. I really mean that. Sometimes you say things that take the wind out of the sails of my on-going dialog with you. I hope that if you ever do become at all disillusioned with Maharishi, it doesn't hurt you too much. I hope you find, as JohnY expressed earlier, that it removes some subtle conflict, and lightens (your) heart. That's been my experience. Rather than bringing me down, it has made me feel more free. Ultimately, one has to stand on one's own two feet and not rely on another person or external source for inspiration or upliftment. Not to say that everyone has to become disillusioned with his guru in order to graduate. Maharishi certainly didn't. But if it happens, it's not the end of the world. You can still feel tremendous gratitude toward him for all the blessings he brought you, and forgive his shortcomings if that's what they are. * There's just no possibility that you are going to get what I am saying, because you are in the grip of factors that do not allow the blossoming of bliss consciousness, but for the sake of other readers who still have an interest: At one hour and 30 minutes into the 23Mar2005 press conference at mou.org, Maharishi says that it may take centuries for the pundits to restore Vedic civilization in India: http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Mar/wnews_23mar2005prt1_128 (the following week MMY said it may be hundreds of centuries.) This possibility that the TM movement will not be successful in my lifetime is not disillusioning -- because the cycle of epochs of high and low consciousness are natural phenomena, just like the sun being seen in various positions in the sky and not at all -- and there's no possibility of disillusionment with MMY, because I am completely satisfied with my practice of TM and the Vedic wisdom that he has restated, and because I understand the difficulty of promoting enlightenment in a world that is in the grip of darkness. Sooner or later, everybody gets tired of the suffering attendant on not living one's natural state of bliss consciousness, and seeks enlightenment, so there is no reason to get disillusioned with anything -- people have complete freedom of action, and they choose at what level of life they want to live. When they get tired of the low-life, and they will, they will seek that which is of real value, bliss consciousness, maybe now or maybe 1000 centuries from now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/1/05 11:09 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * There's just no possibility that you are going to get what I am saying, because you are in the grip of factors that do not allow the blossoming of bliss consciousness, Then why do I experience so much bliss? Maybe you are just living up to the Kaliyuga saying ignorance is bliss. This possibility that the TM movement will not be successful in my lifetime is not disillusioning That's not the point which I felt you might find disillusioning. It's your conception of MMY which might be in for some disturbing revisions. It's you, with your endless idiotic gossip about MMY's supposed inappropriate personal life, who is hung up on a conception of MMY. I, like millions of other meditators who have been fortunate enough to continue practicing TM, am basing my confidence in Vedic knowledge, of which TM is the core technology. There is no conception of MMY that interferes with my practice of TM and my appreciation of Vedic wisdom (and nothing MMY says contradicts what I have read in many thousands of pages of Vedic lit). -- and there's no possibility of disillusionment with MMY, because I am completely satisfied with my practice of TM and the Vedic wisdom that he has restated, Is the correlation really as tight as you assume? Could TM be as great as it is yet MMY have a few screws loose? * MMY is a great saint, and people who are foolish enough to insult him are headed for a lower embodiment (I'll throw you a dog biscuit if you don't try to hump my leg): Vasistha: They who...treat such holy men disrespectfully, surely invite great suffering. p. 34, http://tinyurl.com/6xndt MMY is a great saint, but even if you don't think so, you should recall what MMY said when people complained about the behavior of TM teachers: Even a sick man can open a health food store. TM is a mechanical technique that does require any particular qualities of heart and mind on the part of the practitioner or the teacher (maybe a TM teacher would have to have an IQ of 60 or above, that's necessary for memorizing the checking notes, unless they were also autistic, in which case great feats of memorization are possible). A TM teacher memorizes a few simple instructions, and imparts them. That is the beauty of TM, the mechanical means to enlightenment, the only type available to people when they live at a low level of life. Questions about personal characteristics of anybody imparting a mechanical technique are a smoke screen for ignorant people who are uncomfortable with values of enlightenment. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about marketing TM...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/28/05 2:25 AM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you don't remind rehashing this, providing proper guidance for MMY is the job of TM management, not letting a goofy guy like Mike Love put him in a ridiculous situation which anybody in this culture with any sense (and this does include most rock musicians, whether they TM or not) would know could not work. As far as MMY initiating this idea, you can make that claim, but it's just nonsense -- this was Mike Love's idea, and no TM managers stepped forward to kill this doomed notion. Neither of us knows whose idea it was. We would have to ask Mike Love. Whoever came up with it, no one forced Maharishi to do it. He must have thought it was a good idea or he wouldn't have done it. Probably Vernon or whoever was around tried to dissuade him from doing it, as Vernon often did, but if MMY had his mind set on something, he did it. I do know that my experience in working around Maharishi for several year was that he was the one coming up with most of the ideas. He would often cook up an idea and then come to the hall and start brainstorming with the group on that general topic, to see who demonstrated the greatest attunement with his thinking by coming up with the same idea on which he had already decided. Sometimes he would hem and haw and vacillate quite a bit as an idea was refined and clarified, but once he had his mind set on something, there was no stopping him. And very few tried to stop him. That wasn't the way the game worked. It does not really matter anyway anymore what happens in the West, as the movement's attention has obviously gone to India, so questions about who said what and who decided what don't matter. India will have to be successful for the movement, and if it is, it won't matter what happens in the mall stores. MMY does let people tell him what to do if they are forceful -- an example of this being MMY at the Honolulu airport in 1959, when his driver grabbed his carpetbag out of his hand and took him home when MMY admitted he had made no arrangements for his trip to San Francisco: Like he had his heart set on sleeping in the airport? That wasn't forceful; that was basic hospitality. This makes no sense at all -- if a responsible TM manager had refused to allow MMY to show up at that Beach Boys concert, that fiasco could have been avoided, just as his driver in HNL kept MMY from sleeping in the SF airport. Mike Love and TM mgmt enthusiasm is no substitute for good judgement, and the bad judgement of letting MMY on that stage at a rock concert pretty much typifies the malfeasance of TM mgmt which continues to this day, and MMY can't be blamed for that. He's a Hindu monk who does not know how to operate in Western culture, and he said so when left India: Maharishi was never a sock puppet. I'm sure you read Mother Olsen's book. She remarked that she became aware that a very subtle and powerful mind was directing the course of events. Absolutely, MMY's mind is powerful, but that does not mean that he knows how to operate in any particular culture (can't speak Japanese or play the piano, either) -- see my post: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/49665 TM managers are goofy, because the TM community is goofy, and so they need to do reality checks with responsible and creative people outside the movement who like to solve problems -- these people are called consultants, and there many fine firms that do this type of work -- one of the most prominent is Booz Allen Hamilton http://www.boozallen.com/ , and if the TMO were to sit down with these consultants, they could come up a business plan that works, and not a fantasy based on the enthusiasm of eccentric people. MANY times I heard MMY lambaste consultants and so- called experts. He never had any respect for the wisdom of the worldly. He always said we tell people what we want them to hear, not what they want to hear. Well, of course, on the level of knowledge, we tell people what they need to hear, but on the level of how to make that knowledge available, there are ways to market TM effectively (think Merv Griffin) and ways to botch the job (Beach Boys concerts). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about marketing TM...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Bobananda, in the exchange below, are you not challenging what you have previously described as MMY's brilliant strategy of making the movement look ridiculous so that government spooks won't take it seriously? L B S ** I never said that crap about government spooks -- somebody who did not understand what I said (and more importantly, what MMY said in his 60s work, The Divine Plan) made that up. Read what MMY said about the need to unfold enlightenment gradually: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html#light My criticism of TM marketing is necessarily only from the level of ordinary human awareness, and is only valid from that point of view of ordinary rational analysis. Whether it is necessary to enlighten the world gradually as MMY says is an analysis that can only be undertaken from the level of cosmic intelligence. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob-zoid, A point that I don't recall ever having been made in rebuttal to your worldview is that you keep coming back to the present tense you use when mentioning that Maharishi's a monk, unfamiliar with the ways of the world and the West. Obviously that was true fifty years ago, but don't you think that he's had plenty of time to learn the basics of how ordinary Western people think and behave? Paul-zoid: You think that a yogi who is living cosmic life, who spent years in total bliss with an acknowledged Divinity http://geocities.com/bbrigante/spiritual.html#guru is going to try to put on a 3-piece suit and learn how to deal with schmucks? I'm not suggesting a concerted effort, but rather a natural process of learning/osmosis/assimilation. MMY attuned himself to the mind of Guru Dev, he's not going to attune himself to the feeble minds of householders around the world, which he could not do as a practical matter even if he wanted to, because of the variety of cultures and languages around the world. MMY founded the TM movement, and in that he has done all that he needs to do. Pitching the TM movement in all the various cultures of the world needs to be done by people conversant with that culture -- MMY could not possibly know how to function in all these different societies and languages. You're exaggerating my point. I didn't say that he'd become an expert on pygmy culture. He's been around people from certain countries predominantly, including lots of Americans. It would be pretty unnatural not to have learned the basics of how they think. While he likely has little experience with certain classes of people--he's still seen a lot. He hung out with dope smokin', wife-swappin' rock musicians in the '60s for Christ's sake. He got off an elevator once in a hotel and ran into a man who was smoking a big stinky cigar. The guy took a look at him and blew a big puff of smoke in his face and then said, So, you're that guru that all the kids follow, huh? Ya don't think he learned a little bit from that? There's the story, like many others, of Maharishi being shown VCRs years ago to determine a standard for the Movement to use. He drifted from the business discussion when he asked to have the inner mechanics the VCR explained to him, in minute detail. After endless questions, he pointed out ways in which the machinery could be improved that delighted the engineers. That's a fascinating story, just not true. MMY did indeed look at the innards of a VCR, and made the highly technical comment, too complicated, which inspired some TMers to try to do a less complicated VCR, with zero results. Another story--a year or so ago, he had Hagelin tell him in detail what would happen in a nuclear explosion, wanting to know far more about it than you, I, or anyone we've ever met would be able to stomach. He wanted to understand exactly what the nuclear threat really meant and expected an unvarnished picture of their horror. Fine, then let Hagelin bring in a consultant who has some good ideas about marketing TM and he can listen to that in detail. That won't happen because Haglelin is only interested in making John-boy look important. How long can a man remain utterly naive and innocent about the ways of the world? After all, he's extremely intelligent and about the quickest study around. Maybe he should learn how to pronounce English by American standards too? Or play the piano, or learn how to program a computer? I don't think those things interest him, but he has developed an understanding of business principles, particularly branding, that would be the envy of any Harvard MBA, . That's just ludricous, TM has no market identity -- when people hear about some TM research, it is instantly genericized into the benefits of generic meditation. I'm not shoulding upon him--pause for laughs-- but rather saying that he's demonstrated a prodigious ability to learn about subjects that interest him, even those foreign to his background. Such a man would certainly pick up a decent sense after fifty years of the way at least dominant cultures in the world operate. Remaining out of touch with the ugliness of so-called human life these days is a necessity for a yogi -- that's why they like to live in the woods, as Guru Dev did for many years, only coming out to find a receptive student who spoke English and had a Western education to make the bliss he lived available to the world (if the householder can't go to the cave, bring the cave to the householder). He's been on how many world tours? As a famous old man, and a leader
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Sri Ravi Shankar a nominee for Nobel prize?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP And since a chancellor of an university, or professors of specific disciplines, can nominate, I would be surprised if Bevan and MUM profs did not niminate MMY every year. ** Right, so that MMY can have his name next to Henry Kissinger, Menachem Begin, and Yasser Arafat? Putting the name of a great Vedic sage and sage like MMY in with the sordid crew that ignorant humans think are champions of peace would be a profoundly insulting notion, if Bevan or MUM profs were to do this. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The guru mantra of branding
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 29, 2005, at 1:58 PM, lupidus108 wrote: You say just the doorkeeper, not having understood the nature of a great saint and seer - Maha (great) Rishi (seer). It was actually a name he decided to give himself! What is the source of this claim, a rumour ? http://www.randomhouse.com/features/ensler/vm/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about marketing TM...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Bob Brigante wrote: so he loads up the inadequate personalities who manage the TM movement with fancy clothes and titles so that they, let a child at his birthday party, will feel the glow of attention and stick around in the movement. but while the inadequate people are tricked into staying around, the greater majority have left the party...how smart is that strategy?? -- Well, MMY wrote, back in the 60s, a little booklet titled The Divine Plan. Charlie Lutes had this and two other booklets for sale at the SRM place on Sta Monica Blvd in WLA, and when the Beatles went to Rishikesh, Bantam Books wanted some small book to cash in on the publicity, so Charlie took these three booklets and they were bundled into a small book, Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, although they were certainly of little possible interest to, and inappropriate for, non-meditators. Anyway, if MMY took the time to write this booklet, and call it The Divine Plan, I'll presume that he actually knows the Divine Plan, and what he clearly says is that enlightenment has to unfold gradually in a world dominated by materialist thinking (when consciousness is low, as it obviously is on planet earth). So step one in this Divine Plan to enlighten the world is to leave India, which is the logical place to revive Vedic culture, but which would be a threat to the life of people immersed in material life throughout the world if the movement was successful there -- MMY says:When the objectivity [man's material life] overtakes subjectivity [the divine intelligence in man] completely then the only way left for the subjectivity is that it should gradually rise up in such a way that its regeneration does not in any way tend to overthrow the validity of material life. On the other hand, the manner of spiritual regeneration should be such that instead of creating fear and havoc to material life, the growing spiritual values should supplement and reinforce the values of material existence. This is the working policy of the Divine Plan. The Spiritual Regeneration Movement is carrying this out. http://www.geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html#light Step two is to spread TM a little throughout the West, again slowly because growth of spirituality is capable of creating fear and havoc in material life (a reaction seen many times on earth, including the attempt to kill Jesus after only three years of preaching His message of fullness of life). You're right, it's not smart from the level of ordinary human rationality that the TMO in the West is overtaken by inadequate personalities, but human reasoning is not the source of MMY's understanding of the Divine Plan, and having hairballs run the TMO is an easy way to keep the growth of the movement moderate and not a danger to the world order of ignorance. Step three: now a few candles have been lit around the world, MMY can turn his attention to restoring Vedic culture in India, which he has announced with big plans like the 100,000 pundits and so on, and when TM and the rest of Vedic culture takes off in India, then there will be a shell of an organization in the West ready to spread the revival of Vedic bliss after it is restored in India, and the few people meditating throughout the West will be enough to light up the atmosphere so that the very bright light that will radiate from India will not be too shocking -- even a match struck in a dark room banishes the totality of darkness, and gives the people in the room some vision: In his press conference of 13Apr2005 at mou.org, Maharishi said that As Indian national consciousness rises in coherence -- which is the basis ofinvincibility for the nationthen world consciousness will rise in coherence which is the basis of permanent world peace ...One sun rises, but its innumerable rays spread light everywhere ...So it's natural for the influence of coherence to spread from India to the whole world. There is, of course, no guarantee that the above scenario will happen (people have absolute freedom of action, and may prefer to live in darkness, misery, war, carried away by the momentum of the Kaliyuga) - - the normal course of time is that this age of ignorance will last another 4270 centuries till Sat Yuga -- but MMY has clearly enunciated the Divine Plan that he is carrying out on behalf of His Divinity Guru Dev in order to terminate the Sat Yuga early (or at least create a Sat yuga bubble for a while in the Kaliyuga pond). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about marketing TM...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The real reason that MMY came to the West was to delay the onset of enlightenment so that a Vedic India would not be too much of a shock for the world: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/comp.html#30 that's what you keep on saying for years now. If MMY had stayed in India without lighting a few candles around the world, the onset of a Vedic India would have created havoc in material life around the world. The TMO will be wildly successful in a few years in India; based on what ? wishful thinking? * That's the scenario: In his press conference of 13Apr2005 at mou.org, Maharishi said that As Indian national consciousness rises in coherence -- which is the basis of invincibility for the nationthen world consciousness will rise in coherence which is the basis of permanent world peace ...One sun rises, but its innumerable rays spread light everywhere ...So it's natural for the influence of coherence to spread from India to the whole world. Does it mean that it's absolutely inevitable? Nothing is, but a successful restoration of Vedic culture to India is, like they say, the way to bet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The report we've been waiting for
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/29/05 5:37 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a friend: Hi Rick, Received this by email this morning. The originating source is said to be a core movement person who has done alot on the government level to get funding for people to learn TM...one of the few out there actually teaching. snip We were told that prior to the course 2400 bank accounts were set up to deposit funds throughout the country. Grads of this course were told that 4-5 days after completion they must find rental space, 3000 sq ft, in 1. shopping malls, or 2. retail office space or 3. hotels and hire and train 9 full-time employees to work in the new Maharishi Enlightenment Center. Four of the employees would be licensed massage therapists, 2 men, 2 women and would be trained in a 2 day, not 2 week course, to work a minimum 30 hrs per week @ approx $15 an hour. Each would be also required to take TM instruction at the $2500 fee. If it's true that the TMO intends to require that employees at the mall TM stores pay $2500 and learn TM, this is unlikely to be legal under U.S. law -- I would not do the mall store thing, at all, of course, and most certainly would not try to coerce people into TM instead of letting their desire to learn (or not) drive that decision. Just M trying to slow down the enlightenment of the world. Otherwise TM would catch on like wildfire and we'd all be doomed. ** Jesus. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The guru mantra of branding
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because he actually has some pretty cool things to say? I also suffered from the Rajneesh is just completely weird and wacko. I mean, after, all, he thinks sex is good and we all know that isn't true syndrome that most TM teachers were infected with back in the late 1970's and 1980's. But there's a different side to the story... Over the past 7 years I've gotten to know quite a few of his devotees, including one who was one of the three main people in Osho's organization. That one is the most insightful, profound and interesting man I've ever met beside Maharishi. And he has a WAY better grasp of how people really live and feel and breathe than M has ever had. Yes, Osho had lots of crazies around him, and yes, many of his devotees took his perspective on sex and took it to ridiculous extremes. But from the outside, the TMO has at least as many crazies and (even though in opposite direction), the TMO's view of sex is at least as unhealthy. Pick up one of his books, Rick, or listen to one of his tapes. He might well have been enlightened. I thought Osho was enlightened when he only owned 30 Rolls Royces, but I began to have my doubts when he upped the total to 33. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to Osho World Online Magazine- June 2004, Osho (formerly Bhagavan Rajneesh) had this to say:- And we should listen to Osho because? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about marketing TM...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/29/05 1:02 AM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This makes no sense at all -- if a responsible TM manager had refused to allow MMY to show up at that Beach Boys concert, that fiasco could have been avoided, just as his driver in HNL kept MMY from sleeping in the SF airport. No one tells Maharishi what he can or can't do. He's the boss. I am realizing that it really does not matter that the TMO is flunking out in the West. In fact, this was the strategy all along, inspired not by any ordinary human analysis of what would work for the TMO in the West or not, but a strategy guided by Divine intelligence. The real reason that MMY came to the West was to delay the onset of enlightenment so that a Vedic India would not be too much of a shock for the world: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html#light If MMY had stayed in India without lighting a few candles around the world, the onset of a Vedic India would have created havoc in material life around the world. The TMO will be wildly successful in a few years in India; everything that is happening now in the West, the crowns and titles and all that, is just designed to hold a shell of an organization in place until TM is successful in India. After Deepak Chopra left the TM movement, MMY was determined not to let this sort of defection happen again if possible, so he loads up the inadequate personalities who manage the TM movement with fancy clothes and titles so that they, let a child at his birthday party, will feel the glow of attention and stick around in the movement. Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The guru mantra of branding
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/29/05 5:50 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 29, 2005, at 1:58 PM, lupidus108 wrote: You say just the doorkeeper, not having understood the nature of a great saint and seer - Maha (great) Rishi (seer). It was actually a name he decided to give himself! What is the source of this claim, a rumour ? http://www.randomhouse.com/features/ensler/vm/ I don't get how the Vagina Monologues answers this question. The famous Vaj-ina who posts here...Kaliyuga humor here, bruddah To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The report we've been waiting for
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/29/05 8:24 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just M trying to slow down the enlightenment of the world. Otherwise TM would catch on like wildfire and we'd all be doomed. ** Jesus. I don't know if Jesus enlightened the world too much in his lifetime. He was just one very in-your-face dude who threatened the powers that were. Maharishi said they crucified him because he failed to speak on the level of consciousness of his listeners. * Well, I'm surprised that you got half the point, but somehow you have failed to apply it to the situation with the TMO. Jesus did not fulfill his mission to enlighten the world because the world could not accept that bright light -- what Maharishi is doing in slowly unfolding enlightenment http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html#light is to avoid creating havoc in material life that would rebound on the TMO and cause people comfortable with darkness to attempt to extinguish the light, as the people tried to do with Jesus (who reluctantly said, I'll be back.). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The report we've been waiting for
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/29/05 8:24 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just M trying to slow down the enlightenment of the world. Otherwise TM would catch on like wildfire and we'd all be doomed. ** Jesus. I don't know if Jesus enlightened the world too much in his lifetime. He was just one very in-your-face dude who threatened the powers that were. Maharishi said they crucified him because he failed to speak on the level of consciousness of his listeners. Also (if he even existed) he lived in a time of savages and despots who crucified many people on a whim or a fancy. Unlike the current enlightened epoch: Stalin v. the Ukraine 5-10 million killed in 1932-33 http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sort of Cool Corporate Yogi in Ad
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://m3.doubleclick.net/956223/DLSB_Q205_300x250a.jpg *** A definitely uncool yogi is in that new NBC show Revelations, a vile and cynical attempt (although it has a certain entertaining ignorant charm) to tap into the Terri Schiavo drooler network: Satan is in a jail cell in the lotus posture, and slows down his respiration -- doctor asks Is it meditation? http://tinyurl.com/bdmhh To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about marketing TM...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/27/05 7:28 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My friend Charlie Gleuck (Dr. Gleuck's son) went to the Hartford concert. He said it was agonizing. Maharishi opened for the Beach Boys and the kids hissed and booed and talked to one another while Maharishi tried to lecture. Typical knuckleheaded play by TM mgmt -- let's give a TM lecture at a rock concert, making kids wait for their tunes! And, from these same marketing geniuses, the mall store coming to your location soon! (or later, maybe, which is what soon means in movement-speak). Uh, Bob. Same old discussion we always have. The knucklehead you're referring to is Maharishi. His idea to do the tour. I'm sure he would have preferred to open for the Beatles, but the Beach Boys had to do. *** If you don't remind rehashing this, providing proper guidance for MMY is the job of TM management, not letting a goofy guy like Mike Love put him in a ridiculous situation which anybody in this culture with any sense (and this does include most rock musicians, whether they TM or not) would know could not work. As far as MMY initiating this idea, you can make that claim, but it's just nonsense -- this was Mike Love's idea, and no TM managers stepped forward to kill this doomed notion. MMY does let people tell him what to do if they are forceful -- an example of this being MMY at the Honolulu airport in 1959, when his driver grabbed his carpetbag out of his hand and took him home when MMY admitted he had made no arrangements for his trip to San Francisco: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/letter.html#HNL I know Mike Love has been a long-time ru -- his room was down the hall from mine at the Humboldt TTC in August 1970 -- but before he attended Humboldt, he ended up in a psych ward for a while after he spaced out from a marathon meditation session (a scene depicted in the 2000 ABC movie about the Beach Boys http://movies.msn.com/movies/movie.aspx?m=31330 ), and Mike Love and TM mgmt enthusiasm is no substitute for good judgement, and the bad judgement of letting MMY on that stage at a rock concert pretty much typifies the malfeasance of TM mgmt which continues to this day, and MMY can't be blamed for that. He's a Hindu monk who does not know how to operate in Western culture, and he said so when left India: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/comp.html#30 TM managers are goofy, because the TM community is goofy, and so they need to do reality checks with responsible and creative people outside the movement who like to solve problems -- these people are called consultants, and there many fine firms that do this type of work -- one of the most prominent is Booz Allen Hamilton http://www.boozallen.com/ , and if the TMO were to sit down with these consultants, they could come up a business plan that works, and not a fantasy based on the enthusiasm of eccentric people. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP Also, Bob - I think your next statement will be your usual claim that actually, MMY did/ does not want the TMO to succeed because we are not ready for such sattva. You often state that MMY keeps these goofy people around intentionally to slow down the progress of the TMO. So which is it- MMY the vicitm or MMY the fully in charge leader? Both are true. MMY is obviously the victim of nasty and stupid people who the cat has dragged into the TM movement. But MMY is also cosmic intelligence, who as Tat Wala Baba said, knows everything: http://www.yogiphotos.com/chap6b.html It will all come out in the wash, and if it doesn't, that's OK, too, as the Kaliyuga's normal span should extend for another 4270 centuries, which is only a drop in the bucket of cosmic time or even geologic time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras..Ram/Narsimha/Varaha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sadhak108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sadhak108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Ram/Vishnu was in the pillar http://www.answers.com/topic/narasimha , the Vedic Pundits and people practicing TM are associating themselves with the Natural Law of omnipresent universal consciousness, and therefore will prevail in their interaction with an ignorant world. Although it may seem nitpicking..as all is Vishnu. But this reasserts that Mahesh Yogi does not accurately disperse knowledge. If he is saying Prahlada refers to Rama, then it is incorrect as the story is about Narsimha avataara and not Ram. Hiranyakashipu slain by Narasimha and his brother Hiranyayaksha was slain by Varaha (Boar) Vishnu avatara. In Treta Yuga (Rama's) they incarnated as Dasakantha(Ravana) and his brother Kumbakharna. They were very close to Vishnu and had been cursed. A little knowledge is dangerous said Mahesh Yogi. ** That's a remarkably ignorant remark about the relationship of Ram and Vishnu, who happen to be one and the same and because the Ram avatar and Vishnu are one and the same, all the avatars of Vishnu are Ram or take your pick, they are all Vishnu or Krishna http://www.kidsfreesouls.com/Ram.htm (you clearly are dedicated to proving MMY's point about the danger of a little knowledge): 94-98 Ravana consults with his Grandsire 98-100 He tells Ravana that Ram is Vishnu 100-104 King Maya and Ravana meet and he tells Ravana that Ram is Vishnu 104-105 Ravana's mother tells him that Ram is Vishnu http://mailer.fsu.edu/~kerndl/page19.htm More importantly, you are missing the point that Ram/Vishnu are omnipresent as the universal consciousness, which is what Prahlad had to say, and his pop found out when the lion guy popped out of the pillar. Devotion to God is regularity of practice of TM which allows one to align oneself with that universal consciousness. Where did I say Ram was not Vishnu? In fact my opening statement Although it may seem nitpicking..as all is Vishnu. Your points above about Ram have nothing to do with Prahlada's story. Can you tell me where Prahlada mentions Ram's name? Of course they are the same. My point was TMO leader's spin on the story. Which is just another in the long line of spins. Hari Om Tat Sat (All is Hari) You're just being stupid. Ram is Vishnu, Vishnu is Ram, so if Prahlad says Vishnu, he is also saying Ram, and if you're too dense to understand that, that would not be surprising given your carping about MMY's attempt to enlighten the world, which certainly enjoys the support of Vishnu. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about marketing TM...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/27/05 5:01 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That Was the Week That Was By The Associated Press Apr 27, 2005 : 12:12 pm ET Entertainment highlights during the week of May 1-7: 1968: The Beach Boys began a U.S. tour in New York that featured the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Audiences weren't wild about the Maharishi's lectures, and many of the tour dates were canceled. http://www.heraldsun.com/features/wire/29-601636.html My friend Charlie Gleuck (Dr. Gleuck's son) went to the Hartford concert. He said it was agonizing. Maharishi opened for the Beach Boys and the kids hissed and booed and talked to one another while Maharishi tried to lecture. Typical knuckleheaded play by TM mgmt -- let's give a TM lecture at a rock concert, making kids wait for their tunes! And, from these same marketing geniuses, the mall store coming to your location soon! (or later, maybe, which is what soon means in movement-speak). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MORE Recert News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All 18 chapters are long since translated and commented by Maharishi. They're in a vault somewhere and will be published in due time, when the world is ready. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And exactly how do you know this? --- anonff passes on a message received about an event last weekend at MUM: The message ends with: Sunday APRIL 24-hear all 18 chapters of Maharishi's English translation of the Bhagavad-Gita read aloud. Do we trust that the folks at MUM know that they have a full 18 chapter translation from Maharishi? Entire Message: Subject: Gita this Sunday is the Full Moon Celebration (free for everyone!) BHAGAVAD-GITA SUNDAY In Maharishi Veda Bhavan This wonderful event will serve as the Full Moon Celebration for April, so we have removed the charge for attendance for everyone. Please join us in experiencing this fullness. The Bhagavad-Gita is the Light of Life, lit by God at the altar of man, to save humanity from the darkness of ignorance and suffering. It is a scripture which outlives time, and can be acknowledged as indispensable to the life of any man in any age. The Bhagavad Gita is a complete guide to practical life. It will always be there to rescue man in any situation. It is like an anchor for the ship of life sailing on the turbulent waters of time. It brings fulfillment to the life of the individual. When society accepts it, social well-being and security will result, and when the world hears it, world peace will be permanent.-- Maharishi, 1969, p. 19. Sunday APRIL 24-hear all 18 chapters of Maharishi's English translation of the Bhagavad-Gita read aloud. ** Somebody in FF: sneak in a tape recorder and post the file on the web, please...hope it includes the commentary... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MORE Recert News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 26, 2005, at 8:49 PM, off_world_beings wrote: No, flying would be a true step forward for humanity, because of the POWER of YOG that it would produce for humanity. Even one true yogic flyer (levitating freely and flying) would be a massive powerhouse of satwa and yog for the world. At the current state of human consciousness it would be too powerful for most people to be able to stand in the same room as. Hardly. There are people who levitate--just not TM-Sidhi people-- and those with the correct permissions have and do observe them for inspiration in their own practices. Sure, like you met them Vaj. You are totally full of sh!t. I am talking about IF, repeat IF, someone levitates. You have never seen it and you are talking through your ass again. Correction: http://www.randomhouse.com/features/ensler/vm/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: purty good singin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.vedicdevataproductions.org/ I bought one of these. It's nice, it's pretty, has good voices, good quality. I'm glad I got it. Rick Carlstrom *** I liked the singing, charming and sincere with good accompaniment. I don't know Sanskrit at all, but I did feel like some of the pronunciation was a little stilted and overly careful (it's all Westerners in the singing). When one learns a second language after about the age of 15, it's really impossible to speak with the fluency a native has http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6242853/ because a post- adolescent brain has less plasticity http://www.facsnet.org/tools/sci_tech/biotek/eliot.php , so there are probably or will be better collections of these songs by Hindi-speaking TMers in India for whom the cadences of Sankskrit are not a stretch. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob wrote: MMY at one hour and 10 mins and following in the 13Apr2005 press conference http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Apr/wnews_13apr2005_128.ram , compares the TM movement to Prahlad: just as Prahlad could not say that Ram is limited in any way and therefore he could not deny that Ram/Vishnu was in the pillar http://www.answers.com/topic/narasimha , the Vedic Pundits and people practicing TM are associating themselves with the Natural Law of omnipresent universal consciousness, and therefore will prevail in their interaction with an ignorant world. If this is so, why is it that the IMF and the WTO have gained such rampant and widespread influence over the past 20 years, creating vast and devastating economic impact on the economies of the world. These two institutions are accountable to NO ONE. They are responsible for policies which are in favour of placing the bulk of the world's wealth in the hands of a few, through a hardheaded policy of indebtedness and privatisation. These policies have allowed the ever widening of the gap between rich and poor. Even in the USA, 40 per cent of the country's wealth is now owned by one per cent of the population. The WTO and the IMF are responsible for trade policies which are grossly unfair to the developing countries and which have caused untold misery, poverty, illness, and premature deaths among the poor nations of the world. The TMO movement, it seems, has been very ineffective at reducing social injustice and poverty in the world. The WTO and the IMF need to be prevented from creating further havoc. They should be disbanded immediately. But, unfortunately, it's already, 30 years TOO LATE. Let's see RESULTS, not just theories. Actions speak louder than words. Let's confront these issues and resolve them. There are many despicable and just plain stupid organizations in the world, certainly, because there are many stupid and despicable people in the world in the Kaliyuga, but as MMY notes in his Gita commentary Ch.1,v.13, 'Quite suddenly' gives expression to the way in which nature functions. Nature ensures great flexibility for the growth of good or evil in the atmosphere. But when an influence grows beyond elastic limits, nature will no longer sustain it; suddenly the breaking-point is reached. Prahlada's father had abused him for years to try to extinguish Prahlad's devotion to Vishnu, and apparently nature was silent, but when the breaking point was reached, nature roared out of the pillar as the man-lion Narasimha http://www.answers.com/topic/narasimha . It may seem that nothing is happening with the TMO, but there is a change taking place in world consciousness that will result in a change in the world's atmosphere, although you may not think anything at all is happening (not an unreasonable attitude given the appalling conditions around the world). You may think it's reasonable to attack these two organizations, the IMF and WTO, but when you consider the wealth of wrongdoing on the planet, this type of targeting obviously cannot work to improve the quality of life on earth. Only an elegant approach like TM has any chance of success, because only a simple and elegant approach could possibly deal with a multitude of problems (and since all problems arise from a lack of the energy and intelligence needed to resolve them, the consciousness expanding nature of TM can do the job). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Quite suddenly' gives expression to the way in which nature functions. Nature ensures great flexibility for the growth of good or evil in the atmosphere. But when an influence grows beyond elastic limits, nature will no longer sustain it; suddenly the breaking-point is reached. So are nuclear warheads or their use outside the scope of natural law? ** Nature is always declaring war on wrongdoing humans, and when it does so, it frequently makes nuclear weapons look trivial. One disease alone, smallpox, killed ~300,000,000 people in the 20th Century, while all of man's war killed about ~100,000,000 in that 100 years http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat8.htm . People who align themselves with the universal consciousness and thereby experience bliss and act like the blissful do, avoid the guiding hand of nature; those who suffer and cause suffering are always experiencing feedback from nature. Eat the carrot, or get the stick. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras..Ram/Narsimha/Varaha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sadhak108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sadhak108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From one hour and 10 mins on during the mou.org press conference of 13Apr2005, MMY says some interesting things about the sound of the Vedas and also Prahlad, the kid who was a devotee of Ram despite his father's disapproval: Prahlada was an Asura whose devotion to _Vishnu_ was unwavering. His father was Hiranyakashipu (sp). Prahlada was sent to Shukra (Venus, preceptor of Demons) to wean the bhakti out of him. He was unable to do so and the moment his father was about to kill him, Narasimha avatar(Vishnu) comes out to the pillar and rips Hiranyakashipu's guts out. Prahalada became king and a very good one at that. Hari Om Tat Sat MMY at one hour and 10 mins and following in the 13Apr2005 press conference http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Apr/wnews_13apr2005_128.ram , compares the TM movement to Prahlad: just as Prahlad could not say that Ram is limited in any way and therefore he could not deny that Ram/Vishnu was in the pillar http://www.answers.com/topic/narasimha , the Vedic Pundits and people practicing TM are associating themselves with the Natural Law of omnipresent universal consciousness, and therefore will prevail in their interaction with an ignorant world. Although it may seem nitpicking..as all is Vishnu. But this reasserts that Mahesh Yogi does not accurately disperse knowledge. If he is saying Prahlada refers to Rama, then it is incorrect as the story is about Narsimha avataara and not Ram. Hiranyakashipu slain by Narasimha and his brother Hiranyayaksha was slain by Varaha (Boar) Vishnu avatara. In Treta Yuga (Rama's) they incarnated as Dasakantha(Ravana) and his brother Kumbakharna. They were very close to Vishnu and had been cursed. A little knowledge is dangerous said Mahesh Yogi. ** That's a remarkably ignorant remark about the relationship of Ram and Vishnu, who happen to be one and the same and because the Ram avatar and Vishnu are one and the same, all the avatars of Vishnu are Ram or take your pick, they are all Vishnu or Krishna http://www.kidsfreesouls.com/Ram.htm (you clearly are dedicated to proving MMY's point about the danger of a little knowledge): 94-98 Ravana consults with his Grandsire 98-100 He tells Ravana that Ram is Vishnu 100-104 King Maya and Ravana meet and he tells Ravana that Ram is Vishnu 104-105 Ravana's mother tells him that Ram is Vishnu http://mailer.fsu.edu/~kerndl/page19.htm More importantly, you are missing the point that Ram/Vishnu are omnipresent as the universal consciousness, which is what Prahlad had to say, and his pop found out when the lion guy popped out of the pillar. Devotion to God is regularity of practice of TM which allows one to align oneself with that universal consciousness. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras..Ram/Narsimha/Varaha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More importantly, you are missing the point that Ram/Vishnu are omnipresent as the universal consciousness, which is what Prahlad had to say, and his pop found out when the lion guy popped out of the pillar. Devotion to God is regularity of practice of TM which allows one to align oneself with that universal consciousness. I get this image Bob, of you writing all this over a Snickers Bar. Hey, homes, sugar be sattvic: http://www.beliefnet.com/story/48/story_4805_1.html and one of the drops of amrita that fell on earth when the gods/demons were fighting over control fell into sugar, so I'm planning on eating my way to immortality with these snickers To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras..Ram/Narsimha/Varaha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So were you eating a Snickers? http://www.sptimes.com/2002/02/13/Taste/Extreme_fair_food.shtml - Original Message - From: Bob Brigante To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras..Ram/Narsimha/Varaha --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More importantly, you are missing the point that Ram/Vishnu are omnipresent as the universal consciousness, which is what Prahlad had to say, and his pop found out when the lion guy popped out of the pillar. Devotion to God is regularity of practice of TM which allows one to align oneself with that universal consciousness. I get this image Bob, of you writing all this over a Snickers Bar. Hey, homes, sugar be sattvic: http://www.beliefnet.com/story/48/story_4805_1.html and one of the drops of amrita that fell on earth when the gods/demons were fighting over control fell into sugar, so I'm planning on eating my way to immortality with these snickers To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/26/05 4:54 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** Nature is always declaring war on wrongdoing humans, and when it does so, it frequently makes nuclear weapons look trivial. One disease alone, smallpox, killed ~300,000,000 people in the 20th Century, while all of man's war killed about ~100,000,000 in that 100 years http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat8.htm . People who align themselves with the universal consciousness and thereby experience bliss and act like the blissful do, avoid the guiding hand of nature; those who suffer and cause suffering are always experiencing feedback from nature. Eat the carrot, or get the stick. Does this mean a meditator would be immune from smallpox, if an epidemic were to break out? Really, one has to gain CC, and from that platform of bliss, one's action would be right, life-supporting and would not incur a negative reaction from nature. Obviously, TMers who have not reached CC are still suffering and radiating that suffering into the environment through their thinking/feeling and behavior. It would be real silly to say that right from day one of TM one never did any wrong, eh? But CC is a state where that is possible, where one's behavior can't be life-damaging: In the state of cosmic consciousness, however, when the individual mind gains the status of cosmic mind, then, of course, the intellect could be taken to be an adequate criterion for right and wrong; this criterion, however, is set on the level of the Being and not on that of intellectual understanding, thinking, discrimination or reasoning. Those whose consciousness is raised to the level of cosmic consciousness and function on right levels of life naturally do not ake in anything that may be wrong. Thus, in such a case, the question of a suitable criterion to judge right and wrong does not arise. SBAL, Right and Wrong ~p.220 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/26/05 11:14 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this mean a meditator would be immune from smallpox, if an epidemic were to break out? Really, one has to gain CC, and from that platform of bliss, one's action would be right, life-supporting and would not incur a negative reaction from nature. Obviously, TMers who have not reached CC are still suffering and radiating that suffering into the environment through their thinking/feeling and behavior. It would be real silly to say that right from day one of TM one never did any wrong, eh? But CC is a state where that is possible, where one's behavior can't be life-damaging: OK, are you saying that someone in CC would be immune from smallpox, if an epidemic were to break out? ** Well, you know, Tat Wala Baba was shot by some jealous lunatic there in Rishikesh, and he died. Everybody thinks TWB was certainly enlightened http://www.yogiphotos.com/chap3a.html so either this was a function of some karma returning to him from his ignorant past, or an enlightened person could get whacked without having done anything that would generate that sort of karma (and that seems irrefutable, since anybody can walk up to an enlightened person and shoot them or whatever, even though that is not in any way what they deserve). But disease is produced by nature, and nature does not make mistakes (unlike the guy who shot TWB). Therefore, it seems logical to say that if an enlightened person gets shot by nature, a disease, it is simply that person's karma returning to him from his ignorant past (although once the body is destroyed, there is no possibility of rebirth for the enlightened person since all desires have been fulfilled by gaining CC). It can't be the case that a disease affecting an enlightened person is for the purpose of convincing that enlightened one to give up wrongdoing, since he already has. In any event, the experience of disease or any other traumatic event is completely different for the enlightened person (an actually enlightened person, one hastens to add, not a Fairfield Life list enlightened person) than for the ignorant person who feels that the body is his self. Disease and death are trivial events for one who is enlightened, since one lives the unlimited awareness that is the real Self and can't be affected by anything. It's like what MMY said about the life of Jesus -- ignorant people look at Jesus and say, oh how he must have suffered, but MMY rejects that: Due to not understanding the life of Christ and not understanding the message of Christ, I don't think Christ ever suffered or Christ could suffer ... It's a pity that Christ is talked of in terms of suffering ... Those who count upon the suffering, it is a wrong interpretation of the life of Christ and the message of Christ ... How could suffering be associated with the One who has been all joy, all bliss, who claims all that? It's only the misunderstanding of the life of Christ. (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, pp. 123-124). For an enlightened person, the death of the body is like a tree falling in the forest, an inconsequential event -- death loses its miserable significance for the enlightened, and so does lesser trauma like disease. So I can't say (although MMY or the Vedic lit may say definitively) that an enlightened person could never experience any trauma to the body whether generated by a human or by natural processes, but the effect would be meaningless on an enlightened person. A world full of enlightened people would certainly not see the horrible toll of epidemics like smallpox, which took ~300 million lives just in the 20th century -- the tendency would be toward perfect health, reflecting the harmonious way of life of the enlightened. Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/26/05 11:14 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this mean a meditator would be immune from smallpox, if an epidemic were to break out? Really, one has to gain CC, and from that platform of bliss, one's action would be right, life-supporting and would not incur a negative reaction from nature. Obviously, TMers who have not reached CC are still suffering and radiating that suffering into the environment through their thinking/feeling and behavior. It would be real silly to say that right from day one of TM one never did any wrong, eh? But CC is a state where that is possible, where one's behavior can't be life-damaging: OK, are you saying that someone in CC would be immune from smallpox, if an epidemic were to break out? ** Well, you know, Tat Wala Baba was shot by some jealous lunatic there in Rishikesh, and he died. Everybody thinks TWB was certainly enlightened http://www.yogiphotos.com/chap3a.html so either this was a function of some karma returning to him from his ignorant past, or an enlightened person could get whacked without having done anything that would generate that sort of karma (and that seems irrefutable, since anybody can walk up to an enlightened person and shoot them or whatever, even though that is not in any way what they deserve). But disease is produced by nature, and nature does not make mistakes (unlike the guy who shot TWB). Therefore, it seems logical to say that if an enlightened person gets shot by nature, a disease, it is simply that person's karma returning to him from his ignorant past (although once the body is destroyed, there is no possibility of rebirth for the enlightened person since all desires have been fulfilled by gaining CC). It can't be the case that a disease affecting an enlightened person is for the purpose of convincing that enlightened one to give up wrongdoing, since he already has. In any event, the experience of disease or any other traumatic event is completely different for the enlightened person (an actually enlightened person, one hastens to add, not a Fairfield Life list enlightened person) than for the ignorant person who feels that the body is his self. Disease and death are trivial events for one who is enlightened, since one lives the unlimited awareness that is the real Self and can't be affected by anything. It's like what MMY said about the life of Jesus -- ignorant people look at Jesus and say, oh how he must have suffered, but MMY rejects that: Due to not understanding the life of Christ and not understanding the message of Christ, I don't think Christ ever suffered or Christ could suffer ... It's a pity that Christ is talked of in terms of suffering ... Those who count upon the suffering, it is a wrong interpretation of the life of Christ and the message of Christ ... How could suffering be associated with the One who has been all joy, all bliss, who claims all that? It's only the misunderstanding of the life of Christ. (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, pp. 123-124). For an enlightened person, the death of the body is like a tree falling in the forest, an inconsequential event -- death loses its miserable significance for the enlightened, and so does lesser trauma like disease. So I can't say (although MMY or the Vedic lit may say definitively) that an enlightened person could never experience any trauma to the body whether generated by a human or by natural processes, but the effect would be meaningless on an enlightened person. A world full of enlightened people would certainly not see the horrible toll of epidemics like smallpox, which took ~300 million lives just in the 20th century -- the tendency would be toward perfect health, reflecting the harmonious way of life of the enlightened: It has been brought out by Charak and Sushrut, the great exponents of medical science in ancient India, that as long as people behave in righteousness, the atmosphere remains full of harmonious vibrations. The crops are good, the sun shines, it rains at the proper times, and the whole life in creation enjoys everything in the atmosphere. But when people lose righteousness and act against the moral codes of life the balance of nature is disturbed, and the atmosphere breaks into collective calamities like famines, floods, accidents, and all that damages life in the world. SBAL, The problem of world peace, ~p. 240). Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http
[FairfieldLife] Re: Financial question
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, farmhouse41 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone follow the CVF Corporation? It's a stock that was recommended by someone on Purusha several years ago. DS It was touted by some meditators because CVF had, at one time, plans to buy meditator-owned Global Link http://geocities.com/bbrigante/big.html CVF's web site says it is listed on the American Stock Exchange (AMEX) under CNV http://www.cvfcorp.com/ , however a search of AMEX for CNV quote comes up negative unknown symbol http://www.amex.com/ There is a CVF, but it's a securities firm which appears to have nothing to do with CVF Technology (probably Castle Convertible Fund locked up the CVF symbol before CNV was listed on AMEX, thereby causing CVF to go with the now-defunct symbol CNV). CVF/CNV may have been delisted from AMEX because the stock price fell too low or some other problem that causes stock exchanges to remove the stock, maybe some bulletin board somewhere lists it as penny stock. Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: South Entrances, North-Facing Beds
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bobananda, I am replying late and hastily, having been away for a few days. Your reply is (typically) an interesting mix of the astute and the debatable. I agree that meditators tend to accept the package because of their satisfaction with TM and their trust of MMY. I also agree that the Vedic tradition is an almost unparalleled fountain of knowledge. Usually the TMers' acceptance of the package includes assumptions that M has restored the purity of the information in a particular Vedic discipline which then becomes part of the proprietary offering. I would submit that the proprietary offering frequently seems to embody and transmit distortions of its own, and MSV is an example of this. I know this has been said before in this forum, and I apologize for the somewhat derogatory quality of the phrase, but it seems that the proprietary makeover often includes dumbing down for mass consumption. Where MSV is concerned, for example, other authorities say that the question of entrance placement is an individual consideration, properly based on birth chart and perhaps other factors. One can make the argument that dumbing down is actually part of the perfection of the revival, insuring that the principles will be adopted by significant, trend-setting numbers of individuals, thus propogating the doctrine in perpetuity. I'm just not buying that approach. L B S Until the Global Country of Bliss Nazis takes over, you are certainly entitled to this opinion (that alternative interpretations of Sthapathya Veda need to be considered), but I'm rejecting it because of my confidence in Maharishi's revival of the core element of Vedic technology (TM), and do not see S-Veda as dumbed-down in any way, just plucked from the muddled and idiosyncratic interpretation that generally characterized the state of all Vedic knowledge in India before MMY's revival -- a deplorable state of affairs which is what led to India's being a land of vast suffering, ignorance, and domination by others. I'm in favor of what works, TM works for me, and I do feel the uplifting effect of being in SV bldgs, altho I do not have the shekels to actually live in one (however, I may soon be following Guru Dev's footsteps and living in a Sthapathya-Ved compliant cave). Bob --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP I'm working from memory here, my copy of this thing is packed away. However, as someone else has pointed out: even if the measurements for Fairfield are reliable, it could be an anomaly. The very fact that people are taking this one study as PROOF of a theory they already believe in makes the enterprize somewhat questionable. *** I think most long-term meditators (those who would like to quit TM, if they could do without suffering withdrawal, as I believe you have said about your practice) extrapolate confidence to other Vedic knowledge because of the confidence engendered in all things Vedic by their practice of TM, which is the centerpiece of Vedic knowledge -- anyway, I do have confidence in all aspects of Vedic knowledge based on my experience with the consciousness-expanding ability of Vedic meditation, TM. As MMY has said, nobody buys half a banana, and the Vedas are total knowledge -- it doesn't make much sense to buy into half of the Vedas. The fact that some guys in lab coats have not come up a universally compelling case for the utility of Sthapathya Veda is not really important to those who see the Vedas as the instruction book that comes along with creation (MMY). In addition, there is no such thing as a universally compelling case in scientific research, a fact obvious from the persistence of silliness like creationism and intelligent design despite the clarity and power of evolutionary theory (funny editorial from Scientific American follows at end). Of course, a lot more research would have to be done to get at least some non-meditating scientists interested in the research, that's why studies are replicated many times before scientists buy into theories. However, this hurdle has started to be overcome by being peer-reviewed before publication in Social Behavior and Personality, so it's not like the accepted scientific methods and procedures are being ignored or contravened by SV researchers. I'm not a big fan of anecdotal evidence, but I do notice the uplifting effect of being in SV-compliant bldgs (although I don't really notice deleterious effects of being in south-entrance bldgs). If you don't mind being a little ascientific, do you ever notice the delightful effects of SV bldgs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras..was The Vedas are the sound of memory...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sadhak108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From one hour and 10 mins on during the mou.org press conference of 13Apr2005, MMY says some interesting things about the sound of the Vedas and also Prahlad, the kid who was a devotee of Ram despite his father's disapproval: Prahlada was an Asura whose devotion to _Vishnu_ was unwavering. His father was Hiranyakashipu (sp). Prahlada was sent to Shukra (Venus, preceptor of Demons) to wean the bhakti out of him. He was unable to do so and the moment his father was about to kill him, Narasimha avatar(Vishnu) comes out to the pillar and rips Hiranyakashipu's guts out. Prahalada became king and a very good one at that. Hari Om Tat Sat MMY at one hour and 10 mins and following in the 13Apr2005 press conference http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Apr/wnews_13apr2005_128.ram , compares the TM movement to Prahlad: just as Prahlad could not say that Ram is limited in any way and therefore he could not deny that Ram/Vishnu was in the pillar http://www.answers.com/topic/narasimha , the Vedic Pundits and people practicing TM are associating themselves with the Natural Law of omnipresent universal consciousness, and therefore will prevail in their interaction with an ignorant world. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Financial question
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Bob Brigante wrote: CVF/CNV may have been delisted from AMEX... good guess, bob! now, here's the rest of the story: http://www.cvfcorp.com/news/news_sept27_04.html -- *** Sounds like it was delisted only because its price fell below a buck (actually, I do not know AMEX's standards, but NADDAQ delists when a stock trades below a dollar/share, which forces companies to the bulletin boards or pink sheets or whatever the hell), but I love the language of accountants and press agents: CVF had presented to the Panel its pro-forma non-consolidated balance sheet as evidence that CVF meets the continued listing requirements of the Amex, since this represents a more realistic picture of CVF's financial position. However, the Panel took the position that only CVF's consolidated financial statements could be used in assessing CVF's meeting the Amex's continued listing requirements. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: South Entrances, North-Facing Beds
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Brigante wrote: long-term meditators (those who would like to quit TM, if they could do without suffering withdrawal, as I believe you [L B] have said about your practice) I just wanted to comment that I find the definition above to be an odd way to describe long-term meditators. - Patrick * I was not talking about all long-term TMers, just giving the semi- joking needle to LB. If he had told me in a conversation on the street that he would like to quit TM, but could not because he was an addict (I think that is a fair representation of what he said in an old post on this list -- he could say if he does not), I would not have made this comment. But LB has made such a post on this list a while back, so I consider his attitude toward TM (and its possible connection to his questioning attitude toward other aspects of Vedic knowledge) to be fair game. Actually I believe MMY has commented that it's a sign of the validity and efficacy of TM that one enjoys the practice so much that not doing it is an unpleasant experience, so we just don't mind. Bob http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Financial question
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Bob Brigante wrote: CVF/CNV may have been delisted from AMEX... good guess, bob! now, here's the rest of the story: http://www.cvfcorp.com/news/news_sept27_04.html -- Sounds like it was delisted only because its price fell below a buck (actually, I do not know AMEX's standards, but NASDAQ delists when a stock trades below a dollar/share, which forces companies to the bulletin boards or pink sheets or whatever the hell), but I love the language of accountants and press agents: CVF had presented to the Panel its pro-forma non-consolidated balance sheet as evidence that CVF meets the continued listing requirements of the Amex, since this represents a more realistic picture of CVF's financial position. However, the Panel took the position that only CVF's consolidated financial statements could be used in assessing CVF's meeting the Amex's continued listing requirements. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] purty good singin
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja spottings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pibssmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw Rodgers Badgett today Rajas Rodgers in his Nehru gold cap a guess the crown people are talking about and a cream silk Nehru suit the lenght of formal tails with matching pants and light colored shoes and a white metal around his neck. Looked pretty werid! He was being dropped off at his house on B St around 4:30 if anyone wants to go get a gander. *** He had a for sale sign in front of that B St house (the one pretty close to the entrance to Waterworks Park) for a long time. Did he give up? I saw Raja Dean (I think from D.C.) at the University getting on a white limousine with a GCWP flag... and he was wearing a golden crown, a golden medal, and a white rope. This is for real, many people saw it... Was the rope around his neck? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Two-Week Course
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that its been a week since it ended (is that right? It started on the 4th right?), Did many of you see the emerging new teachers around town? Talk to them? Are they getting their 4k/month? Have they all been assigned cities? Assigned rajas? Do they have TMO funds to secure shopping mall leases? Where do Bevan and Haglin fit into the new scheme? Is the Price for TM still $2500? Alex, have you been talking much to Tom? Any details on his rajadom (Denver?) and plans. * In an earlier post, it was reported that about 300 govs went recert: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/49076 but 100 of those were on staff at MUM, so they're not available to teach at one of the mall stores. In addition, there are probably a lot of attendees who live in Vedic City or have other family or business obligations that mean they will not move to a mall store. So, given that there are probably about 100 recerts available now, and since only males will initiate males and females females, then you have enough recerts for one big-city TM store in each of the 50 states (sorry, Puerto Rico). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Vedas are the sound of memory...
From one hour and 10 mins on during the mou.org press conference of 13Apr2005, MMY says some interesting things about the sound of the Vedas and also Prahlad, the kid who was a devotee of Ram despite his father's disapproval: http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Apr/wnews_13apr2005_128.ram To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: South Entrances - Burglary Study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm confused by this special issue Journal of Social Behavior thing -- it's published by MUM press, edited by MUM professors and contains only tmo studies. It's clearly not peer reviewed. Is it really approved somehow by the real Journal of ...? Republication by MUM press doesn't mean anything, publications allow reprints by institutions associated with published researchers. On what basis do you say that it's clearly not peer reviewed? There is no indication that the articles do not follow standard academic practices for review of published articles. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: News from the TM Front
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- From: andrea la fave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:27:06 -0700 (PDT) To: andrea la fave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: News from the TM Front SNIP So Maharishi told the world press to come and tell him when India started standing on her own two feet and not kow-towing to the major world powers. Within the week, India turned down an offer to buy F-16 fighter jets from the U.S. (which we were also offering to Pakistan), settled a decades-old border dispute with China, jointly opened a travel route with Pakistan through Kasmir, and began integrating its border patrol with that of Bangladesh at their mutual border, pledging more cooperation. * 1)India has turned down the U.S. offer to buy F16 jets, but since India has announced plans to buy $746 billion worth of jets and other military equipment from other countries, including Russia, the traditional supplier of India's defense materiel, this is hardly an indication of rising world peace: http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=11128956382211978 2)It's true that India and China have reached an agreement, or at least a roadmap to an agreement, over their border, but the issue was more or less settled in 1962 when the heavily superior Chinese army crushed India in a war (and China continues to be far more powerful militarily than India, which makes any dispute over the border unlikely). The real basis for the current friendly talk between India and China is because it's in their economic best interest: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4431299.stm 3)They are trying to run a bus service through Kashmir, but security has to be very heavy because of terrorism: http://www.hindu.com/2005/04/22/stories/2005042202841300.htm 4)I could not find a story about the integration of Indian and Bangladeshi border patrols, but there is a lot of trouble along the border: http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200504221859.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: South Entrances - Burglary Study
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . markmeredith2002 wrote: I'm confused by this special issue Journal of Social Behavior thing-- it's published by MUM press, edited by MUM professors and contains only tmo studies. It's clearly not peer reviewed. Is it really approved somehow by the real Journal of ...? i agree something is fishy here. i tried hard to locate a Journal of Social Behavior and Psychology searching regular google, scholar google and the public library's database of publications...couldnt find it anywhere. and, i went over to MUM bookstore to have a look...guess what, it is not a magazine sized special issue of a journal, it is fully the size of a 300 page book! And guess what this book costs ... $50 !! i think these numbers speak for themselves something rotten in denmark ... tsk, tsk * You or anybody else can ask the Social Behavior and Personality folks if they are responsible for publication of a special issue: http://www.sbp-journal.com/feedback.php As I posted previously, it's not at all unusual for Journals to allow researchers and their institutions to republish articles printed in a Journal. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: South Entrances, North-Facing Beds
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the TMO should pay researchers from other schools to do snip To speak of more level headed, statistically accurate ways for the TMO to do research strikes me as almost absurd. In fact, we are now discussing an organization that can't even keep it's word for the duration of a 2 week 'recertification' course. It's renigging on the very promise that got the folks to go in the first place. The disconnect here is amazing. If any other business or religious organization did these things, how would we judge this? JohnY ** Oh come on, like there is some large organization that operates rationally and honestly? Like the Catholic Church? Enron? the stupidity of TM mgmt is not unique -- it simply reflects the fact that the constituency of the TM community is a few fries short of a happy meal, which is the same reason why the American public is represented by Dumbya. OK, how 'bout - dishonesty and disception, not stupidity certainly NOT reflection (and W's 'dumbness' is more a reflection and projection of the press, than the truth...) JohnY * Stupidity is a camp-mate of dishonesty and disception, and if you don't think Dumbya is deceptive and dishonest, I'm not sure where you get your news from. As far as dumb, Dumbya does his best to prove that case every day: http://slate.com/id/2117086/ The point is, every group gets the management it deserves, that's why the horrible citizens of the Kaliyuga get horrible leaders, to one degree or another as the average level of consciousness in the population warrants. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: South Entrances, North-Facing Beds
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP I'm working from memory here, my copy of this thing is packed away. However, as someone else has pointed out: even if the measurements for Fairfield are reliable, it could be an anomaly. The very fact that people are taking this one study as PROOF of a theory they already believe in makes the enterprize somewhat questionable. *** I think most long-term meditators (those who would like to quit TM, if they could do without suffering withdrawal, as I believe you have said about your practice) extrapolate confidence to other Vedic knowledge because of the confidence engendered in all things Vedic by their practice of TM, which is the centerpiece of Vedic knowledge -- anyway, I do have confidence in all aspects of Vedic knowledge based on my experience with the consciousness-expanding ability of Vedic meditation, TM. As MMY has said, nobody buys half a banana, and the Vedas are total knowledge -- it doesn't make much sense to buy into half of the Vedas. The fact that some guys in lab coats have not come up a universally compelling case for the utility of Sthapathya Veda is not really important to those who see the Vedas as the instruction book that comes along with creation (MMY). In addition, there is no such thing as a universally compelling case in scientific research, a fact obvious from the persistence of silliness like creationism and intelligent design despite the clarity and power of evolutionary theory (funny editorial from Scientific American follows at end). Of course, a lot more research would have to be done to get at least some non-meditating scientists interested in the research, that's why studies are replicated many times before scientists buy into theories. However, this hurdle has started to be overcome by being peer-reviewed before publication in Social Behavior and Personality, so it's not like the accepted scientific methods and procedures are being ignored or contravened by SV researchers. I'm not a big fan of anecdotal evidence, but I do notice the uplifting effect of being in SV-compliant bldgs (although I don't really notice deleterious effects of being in south-entrance bldgs). If you don't mind being a little ascientific, do you ever notice the delightful effects of SV bldgs? Scientific American editors renounce their smug ways From the April 2005 edition: Okay, We Give Up We feel so ashamed By The Editors There's no easy way to admit this. For years, helpful letter writers told us to stick to science. They pointed out that science and politics don't mix. They said we should be more balanced in our presentation of such issues as creationism, missile defense and global warming. We resisted their advice and pretended not to be stung by the accusations that the magazine should be renamed Unscientific American, or Scientific Unamerican, or even Unscientific Unamerican. But spring is in the air, and all of nature is turning over a new leaf, so there's no better time to say: you were right, and we were wrong. In retrospect, this magazine's coverage of so-called evolution has been hideously one-sided. For decades, we published articles in every issue that endorsed the ideas of Charles Darwin and his cronies. True, the theory of common descent through natural selection has been called the unifying concept for all of biology and one of the greatest scientific ideas of all time, but that was no excuse to be fanatics about it. Where were the answering articles presenting the powerful case for scientific creationism? Why were we so unwilling to suggest that dinosaurs lived 6,000 years ago or that a cataclysmic flood carved the Grand Canyon? Blame the scientists. They dazzled us with their fancy fossils, their radiocarbon dating and their tens of thousands of peer-reviewed journal articles. As editors, we had no business being persuaded by mountains of evidence. Moreover, we shamefully mistreated the Intelligent Design (ID) theorists by lumping them in with creationists. Creationists believe that God designed all life, and that's a somewhat religious idea. But ID theorists think that at unspecified times some unnamed superpowerful entity designed life, or maybe just some species, or maybe just some of the stuff in cells. That's what makes ID a superior scientific theory: it doesn't get bogged down in details. Good journalism values balance above all else. We owe it to our readers to present everybody's ideas equally and not to ignore or discredit theories simply because they lack scientifically credible arguments or facts. Nor should we succumb to the easy mistake of thinking that scientists understand their fields better than, say, U.S. senators or best-selling novelists do. Indeed, if politicians or special-interest groups say things that seem untrue or misleading, our duty as journalists is to quote them without comment or contradiction. To do
[FairfieldLife] Re: South Entrances, North-Facing Beds
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the stuff they did a couple of years ago and said it was going to be published, but as far as I know (correct me please, if I am mistaken) it has appeared in any reputable journal prior to turning up in the Collected Papers. I'm not sure what you are referring to -- in the MUM Review article below, it says that there are two Sthapathya Veda articles in a special journal issue of The Journal of Social Behavior and Personality, not Collected Papers. This Journal appears to be a peer reviewed academic journal (unless the Journal cited at this link is a very similar name): http://gort.ucsd.edu/newjour/s/msg02998.html I read George's post somewhat hastily and thought the reference to 26 new studies being published indicated another volume of collected studies. My first encounter with the studies in question was several years ago (don't remember exactly how many, but quite a few now)when I was told it was being published within months. My skepticism, as indicated by remarks below, remains high. If the journal in question published 26 TM studies in a special edition honoring Skip Alexander, this suggests to me that TM insiders are well-represented on the editorial board. Otherwise such an anomaly would be inexplicable. I don't have time to dig up the original, but I can remember a few points about the burglary study. First, it ASSUMES an equal proportion of N, S, E, and W-facing houses based solely on the fact that the town is laid out on a Jeffersonian grid. If offers no other evidence to verify that the different directions are equally represented. Well, that would certainly be easy to remedy in any future studies: one just counts the houses in each direction category. Second, it notes that the SV directionality principle applies because Fairfield's grid deviates ONLY 7 degrees from true North. (This was in the study; I did not make it up.) I asked some architects how many degrees of deviation would be tolerable for a house according to MSV; they were reluctant to answer. One said, maybe three degrees, another said one degree. Actually, what the study said was that the grid differed from true north _no more_ than 7 degrees at any point, like when Pleasant Plain road takes off a angle, I guess -- in almost every place, Fairfield's grid is dead on, which you can measure yourself by using a compass with a declination marker and taking sample reading throughout Fairfield (as I recall, true only varies from magnetic north by about 1 degree for Fairfield). So it's really pretty weak, in my opinion. Likewise with the Ottumwa study; just not enough information is given to rule out selection or other methodological problems. I have studied the one on burglaries and the one on patients with S entrances. The one on burglaries and S entries was particularly weak, in my opinion. Not enough info on the other one to rule out selection or other problems. L B S snip to end To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: South Entrances, North-Facing Beds
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what you are referring to -- in the MUM Review article below, it says that there are two Sthapathya Veda articles in a special journal issue of The Journal of Social Behavior and Personality, not Collected Papers. This Journal appears to be a peer reviewed academic journal (unless the Journal cited at this link is a very similar name): http://gort.ucsd.edu/newjour/s/msg02998.html The Review article refers to the Journal of Social Behavior and Personality, whereas that web site refers to Social Behavior and Personality (no The Journal of). The Review also mentions that it is available from the M.U.M. Press... does that suggest that it's published by the M.U.M. Press as well? I can't find anything on the web site for Social Behavior and Personality (http://www.sbp-journal.com/) that mentions SV or a special issue dedicated to Charles Alexander, so I'm guessing they are two different publications with deceptively similar names. *** It would be easy to email the journal and ask them, however, I'm training for a competitive eating event and don't have time. http://www.ifoce.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: recert course news
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . The whole emphasis of the US recert course is setting up Enlightenment Centers inside malls across the country. These will sell everything from TM to Vata Tea. National advertising campaign to begin too. Recerts are being told the movement will pay for everything. Pay their salaries, plus salaries of 4 assistants, plus rental space, everything. But it seems Maharishi thinks these stores will be profitable right away and what if they aren't? IIRC, didnt MAPI and its Health and Wholeness stores fire everybody last year (or did everyone walk out?) because they could not afford to pay salaries?? if so, it would seem the new business model has failed to learn from recent past mis-steps! Some rajas may be seeing the success of the Aveda chain http://aveda.com/index.tmpl?ngextredir=1 as a model for selling MAPI stuff, but Aveda sells the whole enchilada in beauty care, including make-up, which MAPI does not sell. I don't see 95% of the MAPI stuff moving at all in a mall store. And as far as the Maharishi Channel being beamed into the stores, I'm sure that window shoppers eating their hot dogs on a stick are going to be fascinated by scenes like the one I just saw late in the mou.org press conference of 6Apr2005: a six-armed Hindu deity on the screen while the pundits chant the Rig Veda...sure to be a big hit. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: This Pope Dont Rock... (JP2.1)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/21/05 5:14:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Recalling the millennium peace summit of 2000 in New York where 1100 representatives from different faiths signed a document that there should be no bloodshed in the name of religions as they were different routes to one God, he said, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the Pope Benedict XVI, held a press conference shortly thereafter at the Vatican and released a 36 page doctrine 'Dominus Jesus'. The doctrine objected to anyone trying to bring their religion at par with the Roman Catholic Church and described it as crossing limits of tolerance. It said non-Christians cannot get salvation as they don't consider Jesus Christ as the son of God and even non- Catholics would find it difficult to get salvation as they don't consider the Pope as their head, So what's new here? Hasn't the Christian religion whether Catholic or Protestant always said that Christianity is the only way to gain salvation? No man shall come to the Father except through the Son. You either believe it or you don't. If you look at just about all religions you'll find they have their exclusionary clauses as well. *** Nonsense. The Vedic tradition does not insist that anybody belong to any particular sect, but emphasizes that it is gaining unlimited awareness, which is the self of all, that is important, and that unboundedness has nothing to do with sectarian identification. Regarding what Jesus said, you have not understood this. The whole thing he said was I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him. (John 14:6-7). Jesus is establishing His identity with God, but not saying that others could not have that status -- the disciples walked on the water along with Jesus, they healed the sick and raised the dead, too, so Jesus was saying that everybody could enjoy their Divine birthright, everybody was a much a son of God as He was: say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will be moved; and nothing will be impossible for you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up or seat down
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/21/05 10:18 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone told me once that men tend to sit down to pee in India. Is it true, anyone? there are some benefits to seating down ... It improves your aim. You can't miss. There are definitely urinals in India, so I'm dubious about the squat to pee claim about men in that country http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050114/science.htm#2 http://urinal.net/bazaar_delhi/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: South Entrances, North-Facing Beds
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that anything approaching these figures would be a stunning proof of a clear effect of directionality. But the research cannot be done by people with a HUGE motivation to find a particular result. There is no credibility in that case. I think the TMO should pay researchers from other schools to do the research -- would not cost a lot, but would certainly make the credibility factor go way up -- altho your assertion that credibility is zero seems unwarranted, as this is what peer review is for prior to publication in academic journals. I don't think it would be difficult to agree on the protocols of what constituted a home with a southern entrance (although really vastu is defined by fences, not entrances, and many houses don't have fences, so there may have to be some agreement to only count houses with fences which are clearly south or east), and burglary stats are obvious enough. Even if the figure is correct, there are a large number of other factors that need to be eliminated. What neighborhoods were considered, for example? Were houses with different directions equally distributed in such neighborhoods? It would be real easy to skew the results by taking all the south-facing houses from low-income neighborhoods and comparing them to the east-facing houses in gated, high-income neighborhoods. There was no playing with neighborhoods in the Travis study, and of course no one would compare south houses in poor neighborhoods with east houses in good neighborhoods. The town would have to be chosen so that houses are unequivocally able to be classified as one direction or another, and where the right side of the tracks was not directionally biased. And a researcher with enough motivation to come up with a particular result might not even notice they were making skewed choices. Well, a researcher who wants to see an improvement in a patient may be unconsciously seeing a beneficial effect from a medication that he is testing for, but it would be hard to see how a researcher could find a house more southy or less burglared because of his unconscious desires -- I don't see double-blind as being relevant in a study of entrances vs. burglary rates -- there's not much wiggle room, as there would be in a patient's reported improvement. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why does it strike me as nearly 100% certain that if all the details were known on this research, that it would turn out to be much like a thoroughly rotten beam - impressive to look at, but without much substance? Possibly one item that causes your certainty is the jokey claim inserted by Dixon that winning lottery tix were sold in east facing bldgs... Only a much larger study would find any credibility in the scientific community, but a very large study could be definitive, I think, if any number even close to the 75% more burglaries that Travis found were found in a large study. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: This Pope Dont Rock... (JP2.1)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/21/05 6:05:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nonsense. The Vedic tradition does not insist that anybody belong to any particular sect, but emphasizes that it is gaining unlimited awareness, which is the self of all, that is important, and that unboundedness has nothing to do with sectarian identification. Regarding what Jesus said, you have not understood this. The whole thing he said was I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him. (John 14:6-7). Jesus is establishing His identity with God, but not saying that others could not have that status -- the disciples walked on the water along with Jesus, they healed the sick and raised the dead, too, so Jesus was saying that everybody could enjoy their Divine birthright, everybody was a much a son of God as He was: Bob I'll have to take exception with you on the vedic tradition point. Yes, they say all is evolving, but ultimately, your going to need a guru yada yada yada to realize Brahman. Uh, I've been practicing TM for 37 years, and gaining in awareness, and somehow I seem to have to missed that point about needing a guru. And for the point about Christ, yes I have understood exactly what you pointed out , but THAT understanding is not what the religion is based on. People who have transcended have their perspective and the masses have their own. What the Pope said, is just traditional Christian theology. Nothing more, nothing less, nothing new. Traditional ignorance that has nothing to do with understanding what Jesus said, which is why the church is a mess with, among other problems, a billion-dollar backlog of lawsuits because of kiddy- diddling priests, who Ratfinger was determined to protect: From ABC News: [Father Marcial Macie] pushed my hand onto his penis. And I didn't know anything about masturbation, Juan Vaca, who was first abused when he was 11 years old, told ABCNEWS. And he says, 'You don't know how to do it. Let me show you.' And he gets my penis himself and starts to masturbate me. I was in shock. Now read the rest of the story: Then, four years ago, some of the men tried a last ditch effort, taking the unusual step of filing a lawsuit in the Vatican's secretive court, seeking Macial's excommunication. Once again they laid out their evidence, but it was another futile effort an effort the men say was blocked by one of the most powerful cardinals in the Vatican. The accusers say Vatican-based Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who heads the Vatican office to safeguard the faith and the morals of the church [the Inquisition], quietly made the lawsuit go away and shelved it. There was no investigation and the accusers weren't asked a single question or asked for a statement. He was appointed by the pope to investigate the entire sex abuse scandal in the church in recent days. But when approached by ABCNEWS in Rome last week with questions of allegations against Maciel, Ratzinger became visibly upset and actually slapped this reporter's hand. Come to me when the moment is given, Ratzinger told ABCNEWS, not yet. Cardinal Ratzinger is sheltering Maciel, protecting him, said Berry, who expressed concerns that no response was being given to the allegations against the man charged with sex abuse. These men knelt and kissed the ring of Cardinal Ratzinger when they filed the case in Rome. And a year-and-a-half later, he takes those accusations and aborts them, just stuffs them. The cardinals knew all of this, yet they still chose Ratzinger. They had a choice. They chose evil. Unfortunately, this is what the leadership of the Catholic Church has come to, and become. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: South Entrances, North-Facing Beds
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the stuff they did a couple of years ago and said it was going to be published, but as far as I know (correct me please, if I am mistaken) it has appeared in any reputable journal prior to turning up in the Collected Papers. I'm not sure what you are referring to -- in the MUM Review article below, it says that there are two Sthapathya Veda articles in a special journal issue of The Journal of Social Behavior and Personality, not Collected Papers. This Journal appears to be a peer reviewed academic journal (unless the Journal cited at this link is a very similar name): http://gort.ucsd.edu/newjour/s/msg02998.html I have studied the one on burglaries and the one on patients with S entrances. The one on burglaries and S entries was particularly weak, in my opinion. Not enough info on the other one to rule out selection or other problems. L B S --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: South Entrances/North-Facing Beds, and other research... . from: The Review, Vol. 20, #14, April 20, 2005 . 26 New Research Studies Published by Journal The 26 studies published this month in a special journal issue include seminal research on the effects of building orientation, hormonal changes of nonmeditating Fairfield residents associated with changes in the size of the group practice in the Domes, and advances in cognitive development in children practicing the Transcendental Meditation® technique. The special issue of the Journal of Social Behavior and Personality is dedicated to the late Charles Alexander, and many of the studies included were presented at a conference held in his honor. The studies cover the application of Maharishi Vedic Science(SM) in fields such as psychology, health and aging, management, public policy, and collective consciousness and peace studies. Effects on Nonmeditators Among the most striking of the articles is the one reporting fluctuations in hormone levels of nonmeditators in Fairfield corresponding to changes in the size of the group practicing the Transcendental Meditation and TM- Sidhi® programs in the Domes. Researchers Ken Walton, Ken Cavanaugh, and Nirmal Pugh studied the levels of cortisol (a hormone associated with stress) and serotonin (a hormone associated with mental well-being) over a 90-day period in six subjects. They found that increasing the number of Yogic Flyers in the Domes correlated with a decrease in cortisol and an increase in serotonin. The statistical method of time series analysis used by the researchers not only showed a correlation but also suggested a causal effect. We have hypothesized that group practice of the TM-Sidhi program can affect society, and this study helps to understand the effect, Dr. Walton said. Group practice actually reduces the effects of stress in those in the vicinity in a manner similar to the reduction within the individual meditator when he practices the Transcendental Meditation program. South Entrances, North-Facing Beds In one of two studies on the topic of Maharishi Sthåpatya Veda (SM) design, a team of researchers led by Fred Travis found that homes that have a south entrance had 75 percent more burglaries than homes with other orientations. A second study looked at whether the orientation of one's bed can affect health and well-being. University researchers collaborated with a physician in private practice in Ottumwa to give a questionnaire to 167 patients in order to assess each person's relative health and quality of life to see how that correlated with direction of sleep and with the direction of the home's entrance. The results showed that individuals sleeping with their heads pointing north had significantly lower scores on the Mental Health Inventory compared to patients who slept in other directions. In addition, patients whose homes had south entrances had significantly poorer overall scores on the standardized Mental Health Inventory than patients with north, northeast, or east entrances. And they also reported more financial problems. Cognitive Development in Children Three studies in the issue show that children between the ages of five and ten who learn a special form of the Transcendental Meditation technique for children speed up their passage through the classic stages of cognitive development defined by Jean Piaget. In addition, two of the studies show that children who meditate also demonstrate greater analytic ability, conceptual maturity, and sustained attention, as well as marked increases in general intelligence as measured by standardized tests. Personal Development in Alumni A longitudinal study by
[FairfieldLife] Re: This Pope Dont Rock... (JP2.1)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/21/05 11:01:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 4/21/05 8:57:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Uh, I've been practicing TM for 37 years, and gaining in awareness, and somehow I seem to have to missed that point about needing a guru. You missed that one did you? Bob Maharishi said on one course I attended that one can gain CC and even GC without a guru but not UC or BC. I don't recall if it was my teacher training course Oct 71 through June 72 or my six month age of enlightenment course. I also attended another TTC in Oct 72 through Dec 72 which he may have said that then. I'm more inclined to think it was Majorca 71. I also attended a TTC, Humboldt 1970, and it is my recollection that MMY said that one without respect for his guru could not gain GC or BC. But merely practicing TM does mean that one has a guru, so respect for anybody would not be a factor that would inhibit gaining of higher states after CC. There are many stories in the Vedic literature of people going off into the woods and gaining BC, entirely without a contact with a guru (or anybody else). There are no barriers for an enlightened person to gaining GC and BC, a process which is aided by the production of soma in the enlightened man's nervous system. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TTC Recert Agreement Question
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know the details of the agreement form people had to sign before starting the course? A friend told me that the form stated that one could only teach full time after taking the course! How could that possibly be enforced? Even the millionaires need to oversee their businesses and investments! I can't cite the post here, but I believe the policy (which should be good for at least 24 hours or Bevan's next BM, whichever comes first) is that recerts can teach part-time with the approval of the local center, but they can't keep any of the TM fee and they will not get paid a monthly salary unless they go to full time status. Since there is no financial incentive for part-timers, you will probably not see much activity from these recerts, and since the recerts who are paid the $4K a month get paid regardless of number of initiations, it's just a bad policy overall that ignores the role of money in human motivation and the practical concerns of good business practice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A direct outcome of the Mahayagyas ...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html? art=111364509412897845 Maharishi: 'Now it is the media's turn to reflect on positive events' by India Desk Staff Writer Age of Enlightenment News Service New Delhi, India 16 April 2005 While addressing the world media in his weekly press conference, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Global Country of World Peace has said that after years of his Vedic teachings through regular weekly press conferences, he now expects the world media to reflect on the positive events taking place in the world on societal and administrative levels. During the press conference, Maharishi was briefed on how peace and harmony has finally come to Asia, particularly in the Indian sub-continent which has been a direct outcome of the Mahayagyas and Anushthans being performed by the Vedic experts in India. There are huge demonstrations against Japanese businesses in China, so I'll hold off on declaring that peace is breaking out. Musharraf is subject to assassination at any time, and if he goes, it's likely a less practical and more dogmatic govt will run Pakistan, which could easily reverse the warm and fuzzy talk about Pak-India relations. One of the significant developments in Asia is that, for the first time, India and China have come together, almost achieving a breakthrough in their long-standing border disputes. The statement of Chinese premier Wen Jaibao who recently visited India is very significant - that India and China are not rivals, but they are nations trying to help each other in many areas. This news was displayed prominently in India and China, and throughout the world press. Other major positive developments reflected in the media have taken place on the rapidly evolving peace process between India and Pakistan. The bus service started between Srinagar (India) and Muzzafarabad (Pakistan Occupied Kashmir) is a watershed in bilateral relations between the two nations. Also significant is the new agreement on the gas pipeline issue. The statement of Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf who is arriving in New Delhi today that the Line of Control (LoC) between the two nations could be turned into `soft border' has also helped clear the political climate. Maharishi was also briefed about the media reports on the peace and harmony returning to West Asia and other gulf countries. Interestingly, all these developments have taken place since Maharishi took the resolve to establish permanent world peace through Yagyas and Anushthans. Addressing the press conference, Maharishi said those who can not have the opportunity to witness these Vedic routines can experience them through the Peace Government which has been established in as many as 108 countries. Hitting out at the concepts of democracy and human rights, Maharishi said that these ideas in the name of liberty and secularism are causing divisions in society by creating different opinions. 'The chief aim of any administration is to bring order to the society and not disorder,' he said. He said that now he is not bothered about ignorance of his programmes at the political level. He has succeeded in creating an impact by bringing peace and harmony to society. He said peace does not only mean the end of conflicts, but the end to every wrong done in the society. 'It also means good health, good education, and good living', he added. Copyright 2005 Global Good News(sm) Service To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Ex-Governors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, So, are the new ex-governors called citizen sidhas now? What do you all hear from the course? Any info would be appreciated ** Decerts To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: This Pope Dont Rock...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from the writings of Cardinal Ratzinger, aka newly elected Pope Benedict XVI: Rock [music]. . . is the expression of elemental passions, and at rock festivals it assumes a cultic character, a form of worship, in fact, in opposition to Christian worship. People are, so to speak, released from themselves by the experience of being part of a crowd and by the emotional shock of rhythm, noise, and special lighting effects. However, in the ecstasy of having all their defenses torn down, the participants sink, as it were, beneath the elemental force of the universe. source: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI altho born and raised a catholic i am, thanks to the maharishi, at least 50% hindu, and happier for it. and, one week ago i attended the best rock concert of my life, Ireland's best: U2 ... it was totally phenomenal !!! and just as much like worship as his holiness the pope rightly feared it would be ... ha, ha !! All is Brahman ... george d. *** Pope Ratfinger the First is a creation of one of the most horribly stressed massmurdering civilizations ever created on earth: he was a HitlerJugend (whether against his will or not is not relevant to his being part of a monster culture which warped his personality), and it's not surprising that he is unable to enjoy life, an anhedonistic spirit that displays itself in condemnations of music, and, of course, opposition to TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: This Pope Dont Rock...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip being part of a monster culture which warped his personality), and it's not surprising that he is unable to enjoy life, an anhedonistic spirit snip Bob, did you ever read Denis De Rougement's Love in the Western World? IIRC, it goes into some detail on the psychic and physical armor of the anhedonistic and controlling personality, as well as of whole cultures, including Nazism. An interesting book if you haven't already read it (which knowing you I suspect you likely already have). *** Nope, never read it, but I do know what I don't like, and this new pope's cranky bullshit is it. The good news is he's 81 and in ill health: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050420/323/fgp5h.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: This Pope Dont Rock...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually most Catholics in general are like fucking corpses. That's why there's really nothing as good as hot and sloppy oral sex for loosening up that tight ass Catholic genuflectionability. *** It did not take 'em long to get loose after il Papa died: http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4116n=1 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Sem waives jury trial
from today's Fairfield Ledger http://www.ffledger.com Shuvender Sem, the 25-year-old former Maharishi University of Management student charged with murdering a fellow student in March 2004, has waived his right to a jury trial. The decision means Sem will be tried by a single judge rather than by a 12-person jury. ** Kind of surprising, as many townspeople would regard MUM as such a nutty environment that they would be disposed to treat Sem less harshly, I would think. On the other hand, all the judges are non-ru (AFAIK), and also completely familiar with the frequently-shaky mental health profile of the TM community in Fairfield, so this could work for Sem too, which obviously was his lawyers' opinion. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Not so organic milk?
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/04/13/milk/index_np.html The happy cow on the label of Horizon organic milk flies across the carton like some grocery-store superhero. The ubiquitous red milk carton in your local supermarket is like a stop sign for consumers: Go no further, your quest for healthy milk ends hereJust now, though, at one of Horizon's dairy farms in central Idaho, the cows don't look too happy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob wrote: The ancient text Srimad Devi Bhagavatam (this is not the more well- known/popular Srimad Bhagavatam) lists the TM mantras, but then cautions that one should not start this powerful meditation casually, but get a qualified teacher, or else the results will not be good. http://www.21stbooks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc? the link seems to be broken. Do you have name of the book? Srimad Devi Bhagavatam http://www.21stbooks.com -- you might ask if this is a complete version, or an abridgement -- if an abridgement, it might not have the section which lists the mantras To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM and Ramtha: a winning team...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bob, You must be referring to What the Bleep Do We Know?. I remember about a month ago my 15 year old daughter was over and she suggested going and seeing that movie. After reading a review I was lukewarm about it, but figured I could fall asleep in the theater if it wasn't any good. I highly recommend it! It tells a simple story, elegantly weaving in all sorts of asides regarding the reality within the reality; quantum physics, chemical emotional generators in the body (yes I am not a biologist...) and many other events occurring as we go about our lives. And it is funny too! Don't be put off by the inclusion of Ramtha or anyone else in the film. It is a great experience that can only be understood by experiencing it (sound familiar?). All the Best, Jim Movies is movies, meant to be entertainment, and if you found Bleep to be entertaining, then I can't argue with that. But it was a mistake for an official spokesman for the TM movement, John Hagelin, to appear in a film directed by the Ramtha-hoax people (an error compounded by Hagelin's speaking at a Ramtha-sponsored Prophets' Conference in Santa Monica earlier this year. It links a derided cult (the Ramtha one) with a group (the TM folks) that's trying for respectability and receptivity in the scientific community, and when a prominent magazine like New Scientist dismisses and derides the drivel that Hagelin participated in, then there's a problem. It used to be that the TM movement could attract prominent non-TM people, like Buckminster Fuller, to TM conferences in order to make TM more well-known and well-received in the scientific community. Now Hagelin is helping to promote the public image of a well-known hoax group, and that's not good, no matter how many people liked the film. Bob --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg18624952.500 The final credits provide the answer: they come from the Maharishi University of Management, the circle of one J. Z. Knight, who says she channels a 35,000-year-old mystic named Ramtha, and so on. In the US, the film was apparently the third highest grossing documentary of all time. What a depressing thought. This film short-changes the public with drivel. http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html#fruitcake To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM and Ramtha: a winning team...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I get your point, and I realize that people experience stuff differently. No big deal. I must say that Ramtha person makes some pretty good common sense points, whether all the channeling stuff is true or not... Anyway it was great entertainment! And Hagelin comes across as credible too in the film. I am probably closer to the mindset of there's no such thing as bad publicity. Regards, Jim ** So all the bad publicity that Scientology gets is good? I don't think so...that saying that there is no such thing as bad publicity was popularized by Hollywood actors, who benefit from both good and bad publicity because it keeps their image alive in the press, and nobody expects actors to be good, merely to be entertaining, so publicity about drunken spats and all that does serve as well as good publicity in keeping an actor's image alive as being entertaining. It's no good for the TM movement to be positioned as a partner of a known hoax like Ramtha: http://skepdic.com/channel.html because the TM movement is not selling movie tickets, but selling a means of enjoying life more, and people want sincerity and utility, not goofballs sharing a stage with hoaxers. Bob --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Movies is movies, meant to be entertainment, and if you found Bleep to be entertaining, then I can't argue with that. But it was a mistake for an official spokesman for the TM movement, John Hagelin, to appear in a film directed by the Ramtha-hoax people (an error compounded by Hagelin's speaking at a Ramtha-sponsored Prophets' Conference in Santa Monica earlier this year. It links a derided cult (the Ramtha one) with a group (the TM folks) that's trying for respectability and receptivity in the scientific community, and when a prominent magazine like New Scientist dismisses and derides the drivel that Hagelin participated in, then there's a problem. It used to be that the TM movement could attract prominent non-TM people, like Buckminster Fuller, to TM conferences in order to make TM more well-known and well-received in the scientific community. Now Hagelin is helping to promote the public image of a well-known hoax group, and that's not good, no matter how many people liked the film. Bob To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM and Ramtha: a winning team...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I get your point, and I realize that people experience stuff differently. No big deal. I must say that Ramtha person makes some pretty good common sense points, whether all the channeling stuff is true or not... Anyway it was great entertainment! And Hagelin comes across as credible too in the film. I am probably closer to the mindset of there's no such thing as bad publicity. Regards, Jim ** So all the bad publicity that Scientology gets is good? I don't think so...that saying that there is no such thing as bad publicity was popularized by Hollywood actors, who benefit from both good and bad publicity because it keeps their image alive in the press, and nobody expects actors to be good, merely to be entertaining, so publicity about drunken spats and all that does serve as well as good publicity in keeping an actor's image alive as being entertaining. It's no good for the TM movement to be positioned as a partner of a known hoax like Ramtha: http://skepdic.com/channel.html because the TM movement is not selling movie tickets, but selling a means of enjoying life more, and people want sincerity and utility, not goofballs sharing a stage with hoaxers. Bob Bob, I don't think that the TMO is selling a means to enjoy life more, anymore. At $2500 the basic means of 'enjoying life more' is for all practical purposes unavailable. Stripping teachers of the official ability to teach confirms it. The TMO is in the real estate, fundrasing, bond, and monitary (RAAM) business and aspirering to the spa business in malls. I make it clear at my web site that I regard the TMO's current policies as not workable, especially the $2500 fee, but TM remains what it is, a means of enjoying life more by means of expanding awareness. I think the subtext of what is happening in the West (the obviously dysfunctional policies of the TMO) is that the time has come for the natural home of Vedic culture, India, to get the focus of the TMO's efforts -- it no longer matters what happens in the West (and in fact there are plans to get together one lakh pundits in India). The TMO will either succeed among India's 820 million Hindus or it will be subsumed into the darkness of the Kaliyuga -- and better days on earth may just have to wait 427 centuries until the Sat Yuga. I'm OK with either outcome -- the 432,000 years of the KY is just a blip on the radar of cosmic life, and the horrible conditions in the KY are actually good to get people to abandon trivial life and seek enlightenment. Bob To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagyas - what is it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, demaris4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone explain how a yagya works? *** MMY talks about TM as yagya in the Gita, as repeated elsewhere: The subtle aspect of yagya, experienced in the Transcendental Meditation technique, leads the individual to transcendental bliss- consciousness, the state of eternal freedom in life, and the ultimate development of consciousness, which is the highest good of all;higher than the highest in the relative sphere of life. http://fairfield.freehosting.net/98april/yagya.html Bob * What kind of world is it that can be spun in such a way. My understanding of religious ritual has always hinged on the psychology of it somehow, or with prayer, a mental movement or state that connects to a larger net of happening through - oh I don't know -- through intention...good intention... I remember liking the phrase technology of the sacred from a book published around 30 years ago...but what i've learned of yagyas is so completely alien to me...with no connecting thread to either heart or mind or aesthetic appreciation. Is this dealt with in some previous discussion way back when in FairfieldLife??? Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's chart redux (was Jyotish and Jesus)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shuk's chart differs a bit from the one I created using proprietary software developed by a Purusha. This is perhaps due to a choice of an earlier time than 8:40, per below. For instance, I have Budh and Mangal conjunct in the 1st, rather than the 12th, and Shani/ Surya starting November 3rd, rather than in September. Lg 26 Makr 47'37'' Dha MaGuBu Sy 28 Dhan 39'54'' UAs SyMaGu Ch 9 Simh 50'15'' Mag KeSaBu Ma 9 Makr 19'47'' UAs SySkSa Bu 12 Makr 38'03'' Sra ChRaSa Gu 3 Mesh 32'59'' Asw KeSyKe Sk 3 Dhan 9'50'' Mul KeSyRa Sa 4 Kark 55'27'' Psh SaSaRa Ra 27 Dhan 9'27'' UAs SySyBu Ke 27 Mith 9'27'' Pnr GuSkCh Tithi: Krishna 4 *** And I got different results using: http://www.jyotishtools.com/OnlineH.htm Anybody out there with Parashara's Light willing to share results? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is a very fortunate chart with the Venus, Saturn and Jupiter near to the same degree as the ascendant in their respective houses, esp if the birth is just a bit earlier, which is often the case, and these three are also the moolatrikona rulers of good houses. Also Moon, Jupiter and Venus all get strong aspects from functional benefics. On the negative side: Mercury and Mars are significantly conjunct in the 12th with Mercury as moolatrikona ruler of the 8th; and rahu conjunct Sun. Not that strongly positive at first glance for Enlightenment unless due to the aspect of Saturn as 12th ruler from 6th onto the same degree as ascendant in its own house . No analysis here provided of Nakshatra nor divisional charts. According to Vimshottari dasha he goes into Saturn-Sun from Saturn-Venus in September, which is not an improvement. If you used Jyotish software, could you please apprise us of which software, and maybe post a non-HTML complete listing of grahas by degree in houses if you are so inclined (for those who don't get this list by email and can't download attachments and therefore need a plain text chart). Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] New Guru Dev book
from http://www.21stbooks.com newsletter The second book, is a must read for the TM community. It is a new 70 page pamphlet published by our friends in Croatia. Maharishi on Guru Dev/ Sayings of Shri Guru Dev brings together the stories of Maharishi's early meetings with Guru Dev, how Maharishi became enlightened by attuning himself to his Master, and some very rare quotes from Guru Dev. There are a number of tender photos included. It is priced at $19.95: http://21stbooks.com/page/21stbooks/prod/tm0014 compilation of MMY's sayings, Ocean of Bliss: http://21stbooks.com/page/21stbooks/prod/tm0013 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 3 lakh Indians get visas to USA
3 lakh Indians get visas to USA, but not the 500 pundits, of course: http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=44814 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM TTC Application Form Now Available
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it's enough then? Isn't it irrelevant? We don't owe each other anything. Freedom IS. Appropriate or perfect action is automatic. The various actors keep on rubbing against each other until they are ground smooth. Blockbuster won't rent that movie... Oh, and as far as the movies go -- If you're enjoying yourself, project away! (Just being aware karma still continues if we think and act from attachments or as if we are real in here or anything is real out there.) If we're suffering, I'd try the questions and turnaround, recognizing the utterly conditional (arbitrary) nature of the thought and withdrawing the whole thing back into non-self or Self. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] the mantra of the moron
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Polar Dreams
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tkrystofiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Borden replies (via email): I should correct some misinformation. My Masters Degree is from SCI-Arc, which is accredited through both NAAB and WASC accreditation agencies. My studio professor at SCI- Arc for one full academic year was Tom Mayne (of the LA firm, Morphosis), who this year received the Pritzker Prize (the world's most prestigious architecture award). The last time an American architect received this award was about 15 years ago. ** You are somewhat misrepresenting the accreditation status of your architecture school as far as WASC goes (although candidacy for accreditation entitles a school to be listed along with other WASC- approved schools and is more or less equal as a seal of approval like full accreditation is). In fact SCI-arc is not yet fully accredited now (and possibly not even a candidate school when you graduated?), but is a candidate for accreditation (your school was founded in 1972, so has not been eligible -- by meeting preliminary standards -- even to be a candidate for accreditation for most of the school's history): http://www.sciarc.edu/v5/about/allschoolupdates.php http://www.wascweb.org/senior/directories.htm#S SCI-arc is OKed by NAAB, but there are obviously some deficiencies in the school or it would also have had full WASC accreditation already: http://www.naab.org/usr_doc/Accredited_Programs_22.pdf I'm sure there are some very good professors at SCi-arc, but that's not the point. Since you declined to respond to the enquiry whether you were licensed as an architect in Iowa, I presume you are not. You can check for yourself: http://www.state.ia.us/government/com/prof/search/index.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody who likes books on crop circles and recommends the Urantia book is a bonehead, OK? That enough of an apology for you? Maybe we can discuss your other brilliant ideas on your next hunting trip for Bigfoot... snip Your degree in Architecture is from an unaccredited school (the Southern California Institute of Architecture), not surprising given your tastes in literature which may indicate an inability to undergo the rigors of real architect school, which is very demanding, since real architects need to know a lot of hard engineering stuff. Are you a Iowa-licensed architect?: To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Polar Dreams
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tkrystofiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Borden replies (via email): I should correct some misinformation. My Masters Degree is from SCI-Arc, which is accredited through both NAAB and WASC accreditation agencies. My studio professor at SCI- Arc for one full academic year was Tom Mayne (of the LA firm, Morphosis), who this year received the Pritzker Prize (the world's most prestigious architecture award). The last time an American architect received this award was about 15 years ago. *** I had the impression from a casual look at the SCI-Arc website that the school was not accredited. However, it's clear that SCI-Arc is in fact accredited by NAAB and by WASC (for a period of three years). However, the school, founded in 1972, was not WASC-accredited or a candidate for accreditation for the majority of its history. You did not say when you graduated -- perhaps you graduated at a time when the school was not accredited, which would make you ineligible for state licensure, as the SCI-Arc website notes: The NAAB states that In the United States, most state registration boards require a degree from an accredited professional degree program as a prerequisite for licensure. http://www.sciarc.edu/v5/programs/ I'm sure there are some very good professors at SCI-Arc, but that's not the point. Since you declined to respond to the enquiry whether you were licensed as an architect in Iowa, I presume you are not. You can check for yourself: http://www.state.ia.us/government/com/prof/search/index.html Relevant web sites on issues of accreditation: http://www.sciarc.edu/v5/about/allschoolupdates.php http://www.wascweb.org/senior/directories.htm#S http://www.naab.org/usr_doc/Accredited_Programs_22.pdf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody who likes books on crop circles and recommends the Urantia book is a bonehead, OK? That enough of an apology for you? Maybe we can discuss your other brilliant ideas on your next hunting trip for Bigfoot... snip Your degree in Architecture is from an unaccredited school (the Southern California Institute of Architecture), not surprising given your tastes in literature which may indicate an inability to undergo the rigors of real architect school, which is very demanding, since real architects need to know a lot of hard engineering stuff. Are you a Iowa-licensed architect?: To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] free online scientific and scholarly journals
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Jyotish and Jesus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is a very fortunate chart with the Venus, Saturn and Jupiter near to the same degree as the ascendant in their respective houses, esp if the birth is just a bit earlier, which is often the case, and these three are also the moolatrikona rulers of good houses. Also Moon, Jupiter and Venus all get strong aspects from functional benefics. On the negative side: Mercury and Mars are significantly conjunct in the 12th with Mercury as moolatrikona ruler of the 8th; and rahu conjunct Sun. Not that strongly positive at first glance for Enlightenment unless due to the aspect of Saturn as 12th ruler from 6th onto the same degree as ascendant in its own house . No analysis here provided of Nakshatra nor divisional charts. According to Vimshottari dasha he goes into Saturn-Sun from Saturn-Venus in September, which is not an improvement. If you used Jyotish software, could you please apprise us of which software, and maybe post a non-HTML complete listing of grahas by degree in houses if you are so inclined (for those who don't get this list by email and can't download attachments and therefore need a plain text chart). Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: OK, here's the poop
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emailed to me on the side: Got a long voicemail from someone on the course. Anyhoo...Turns out the whole thrust of this 'recertification' seems to be marketing. Within the next 2-3 months there will be 500 storefronts in malls. Each one will have all the MAPI and movement products, a largescreen TV with the M channel, a children's corner, a spa, a TM center. There's more I can't remember. He wanted to know the 5 high end malls in the area. They will hire 4 people working in each store plus a manager. A man and woman from the course will be supervising. AND GET THIS. MAHARISHI WILL BE PAYING FOR EVERYTHING. ** If the TMO is looking for high-end malls, that means they're not going to do the cheap strip mall option, and they're going to pay through the nose, like $36/sq.ft (plus maybe another $10/sq.ft. for security, utilities, taxes, etc. -- http://www.icsc.org/srch/sct/sct1103/ ): http://retailtrafficmag.com/mag/retail_bad_news_retailers/ In addition, renters at malls usually have to pay a percentage of sales, something I doubt the TMO is going to be happy about: http://retailtrafficmag.com/mag/retail_hot_topic_long/ In order to have a spa with separate facilities for men and women, plus a MAPI store, plus a TM center, it sounds like you would need about 2000 sq. ft. -- at $36/sq.ft. plus taxes etc, that's about $7500/month. Plus two TM teachers at $4K/month each, one manager at $5K/month, and 4 other employees at $3K/month, plus payroll taxes. Total for rent and salaries: about $40K/month (plus whatever the mall owners collect as percentage of TM store sales). Income from MAPI products sales could not amount to much -- many of the items are so overpriced (like honey at $50/lb.) or of little interest to the general public, so these sales won't amount to much, and if meditators start to shop for their MAPI products at these mall stores, it would be merely cannibalizing sales from the MAPI.com web site. The mall store will have to rely on the income from the spa and from TM instruction, shooting for one spa treatment a day at $645/day (taking this figure from The Raj's price list: http://www.theraj.com/rajoffers/panchakarma.html ). But the Raj has always lost money, even in a town with 2000 meditators, many of whom are rich and can afford these pricey treatments. And, outside of Fairfield, there are many other spas, even competing Ayurveda spas, that offer similar treatments, often at lower prices, and usually in more attractive surroundings than a tiny room in a mall. Initiating one person every day into TM every three days at $2500, in addition to the one per day for the spa treatment, would bring in enough money to break even ($645 x 30= $19350 plus $2500 x 10= $25000, for a total of $44350/month), and a handful of these mall stores may be able to meet these goals, which have to see a spa treatment and one initiation every 3 days indefinitely to stay solvent. But when you multiply the 500 proposed stores by these numbers for spa treatments and initiations, it amounts to 15,000 people a month in the USA seeking TM spa treatments -- a very unlikely figure -- and 5,000 people a month starting TM, a figure which has not been remotely approached since the wave of initiations in the 70s after the Merv Griffin shows (when 50,000/month were learning TM). And I don't see any reason why a different weighting of needed numbers -- more initiations into TM and fewer spa treatments, or vice versa -- could come up with a formula that could work for these mall stores, since there is just not much happening for the TM movement either in terms of people learning TM or buying Maharishi Ayurveda treatment. Somebody should call in a consultant from Booz Allen Hamilton or some other top consulting firm and bounce these ideas off somebody reasonable before they commit to long-term leases (which would probably be required since the spa would require extensive modification to the leased mall space that would not be suitable for many other applications) on a proposition that can't possibly work. Bob http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: OK, here's the poop
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emailed to me on the side: Got a long voicemail from someone on the course. Anyhoo...Turns out the whole thrust of this 'recertification' seems to be marketing. Within the next 2-3 months there will be 500 storefronts in malls. Each one will have all the MAPI and movement products, a largescreen TV with the M channel, a children's corner, a spa, a TM center. There's more I can't remember. He wanted to know the 5 high end malls in the area. They will hire 4 people working in each store plus a manager. A man and woman from the course will be supervising. AND GET THIS. MAHARISHI WILL BE PAYING FOR EVERYTHING. ** If the TMO is looking for high-end malls, that means they're not going to do the cheap strip mall option, and they're going to pay through the nose, like $36/sq.ft (plus maybe another $10/sq.ft. for security, utilities, taxes, etc. -- http://www.icsc.org/srch/sct/sct1103/ ): http://retailtrafficmag.com/mag/retail_bad_news_retailers/ In addition, renters at malls usually have to pay a percentage of sales, something I doubt the TMO is going to be happy about: http://retailtrafficmag.com/mag/retail_hot_topic_long/ In order to have a spa with separate facilities for men and women, plus a MAPI store, plus a TM center, it sounds like you would need about 2000 sq. ft. -- at $36/sq.ft. plus taxes etc, that's about $7500/month. Plus two TM teachers at $4K/month each, one manager at $5K/month, and 4 other employees at $3K/month, plus payroll taxes. Total for rent and salaries: about $40K/month (plus whatever the mall owners collect as percentage of TM store sales). Income from MAPI products sales could not amount to much -- many of the items are so overpriced (like honey at $50/lb.) or of little interest to the general public, so these sales won't amount to much, and if meditators start to shop for their MAPI products at these mall stores, it would be merely cannibalizing sales from the MAPI.com web site. The mall store will have to rely on the income from the spa and from TM instruction, shooting for one spa treatment a day at $645/day (taking this figure from The Raj's price list: http://www.theraj.com/rajoffers/panchakarma.html ). But the Raj has always lost money, even in a town with 2000 meditators, many of whom are rich and can afford these pricey treatments. And, outside of Fairfield, there are many other spas, even competing Ayurveda spas, that offer similar treatments, often at lower prices, and usually in more attractive surroundings than a tiny room in a mall. Initiating one person every day into TM every three days at $2500, in addition to the one per day for the spa treatment, would bring in enough money to break even ($645 x 30= $19350 plus $2500 x 10= $25000, for a total of $44350/month), and a handful of these mall stores may be able to meet these goals, which have to see a daily spa treatment and one initiation every 3 days indefinitely to stay solvent. But when you multiply the 500 proposed stores by these numbers for spa treatments and initiations, it amounts to 15,000 people a month in the USA seeking TM spa treatments -- a very unlikely figure -- and 5,000 people a month starting TM, a figure which has not been remotely approached since the wave of initiations in the 70s after the Merv Griffin shows (when 50,000/month were learning TM). And I don't see any reason why a different weighting of needed numbers -- more initiations into TM and fewer spa treatments, or vice versa -- could come up with a formula that could work for these mall stores, since there is just not much happening for the TM movement either in terms of people learning TM or buying Maharishi Ayurveda treatment. Even if MMY is planning on doing something spectacular, miraculous, to interest people in TM, these mall stores won't work with large crowds. You would want a warehouse or stadium to teach large numbers of people if somebody did actually levitate and end up on the evening news. I just don't see any scenario playing out that would justify this mall store plan. Somebody from Vedic City should call in a consultant from Booz Allen Hamilton or some other top consulting firm and bounce these ideas off somebody reasonable before they commit to long-term leases (which would probably be required since the spa would require extensive modification to the leased mall space that would not be suitable for many other applications) on a proposition that can't possibly work. Bob http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
[FairfieldLife] Sidhaland news: Camilla's cake
MAHARISHI EUROPEAN SIDHALAND 40. GREAT BRITAIN: Organic food on the menu for royal wedding http://www.globalgoodnews.com/health-news-a.html?art=11130873155349779 At the reception following the wedding between the Prince Charles and Camilla Parker Bowles, the wedding cake was, expectedly, organic. Included on the cake was a crest of the Duchy of Cornwall--Charles' estate as well as the inspiration for his Duchy Originals line of organic cookies and bread. A news summary of Health and Agriculture topics as reported in www.globalgoodnews.com the news site of the Global Country of World Peace. You can read the full reports by clicking on the link at the head of a summary. 1. USA: Dr Schneider elected Fellow of American College of Cardiology 2. USA: University partnership to examine healthy heart treatments, Transcendental Meditation included 3. USA: Articles on Maharishi University's brain conference appearing throughout the US 4. AGRICULTURE: Organic growers patiently strive for state's largest greenhouse operation 5. USA: New brain centre will pioneer research on higher consciousness 6. NEW BOOK: Harnessing the power of nature and natural medicine to achieve extraordinary health 7. AUSTRALIA: Smoking rate hits all time low 8. BELGIUM: European Commission seeks chemical testing 9. USA: Ecstasy is not the answer 10. USA: Nine US states limit local GM regulations 11. PHILIPPINES: Better agriculture with technology from China 12. USA: New Health Secretary Leavitt sets goals 13. USA: Government recommends eating whole grains 14. USA: February Brings Great Upsurge of Media Coverage 15. USA: Exercise may help in treating depression 16. INDIA: Vegetarianism can prevent heart attacks 17. USA: Test could be predictor of heart disease 18. USA: Does the college experience damage your brain? 19. GERMANY: India wins neem patent case and blocks biopiracy 20. USA: South Beach diet takes aim at school 21. USA: A movement toward 'natural family living' 22. USA: Dairy farmers who milk the past 23. INDIA: UK National Health Service doctors learn about Ayurveda 24. ITALY: Parliamentary delegation meets India's Health and Family Welfare Minister 25. USA: Black farmers bring fresh produce to low-income black families 26. INDIA: Political commitment to rural India 27. INDIA: Medicines made from cow urine and dung 28. USA: Healing Profile: Rogers Badgett 29. DENMARK: 'Rats!' say conventional food aficionados 30. GERMANY: BioFach showcases worldwide growth of organics 31. SWITZERLAND: Global anti-tobacco treaty takes effect 32. USA: Meditation may cut future heart disease risks 33. USA: Ayurveda the latest darling of holistic healing 34. INDIA: Ayurvedic approach to beauty: Ayurvedic concepts 35. USA: Organic produce deliveries tap into consumers' desire for convenience, health 36. Transcendental Meditation in the global media 37. USA: Boaters may be turning to vegetables to run their engines 38. USA: International Education: Meditation helps students 39. CUBA: Cuban centenarians reveal longevity secret 40. GREAT BRITAIN: Organic food on the menu for Royal Wedding 1. USA: Dr Schneider elected Fellow of American College of Cardiology http://www.globalgoodnews.com/health-news-a.html?art=11122912866478508 Robert Schneider, director of the University's Institute for Natural Medicine and Prevention, was recently honoured by being inducted as a Fellow of the American College of Cardiology, the foremost professional designation for heart specialists in the U.S. 'I've been researching, practicing, and teaching Maharishi's principles of applied preventive cardiology for almost 25 years, so it was natural to be awarded the recognition of the ACC,' Dr. Schneider said. 'It was a recognition of the groundbreaking accomplishments of the Institute team in the area of prevention-oriented natural medicine.' 2. USA: University partnership to examine healthy heart treatments, Transcendental Meditation included The National Institutes of Health awarded $6 million to a partnership between Emory University and Morehouse School of Medicine. The five-year partnership will focus on eliminating cardiovascular health problems. The study will be divided into three main projects, one of them investigating Transcendental Meditation as a means to reduce blood pressure. 3. USA: Articles on Maharishi University's brain conference appearing throughout the US http://www.globalgoodnews.com/education-news-a.html? art=9452291445659 Maharishi University of Management's emphasis on tracking brain development changes in students, and the university's recent brain conference, which highlighted the damaging effects most educational institutions have on the learning capacity of their students, has gained national recognition. Newspapers across the country have posted the original St Louis Post Dispatch article, 'University will wire students' brains to track change'. 4. USA: Organic growers patiently strive for state's largest
[FairfieldLife] Donovan MMY; Tom Cruise's Thetan boogers
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/living/11360505.htm In 1962, Donovan Leitch of Hatfield, England, heard The Beatles' Love Me Do on the radio and decided he wanted to be a singer-songwriter. Six years later, he was intimate enough with the Beatles to accompany them to India on their sojourns to visit Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's Ashram. A modern equivalent of this would be if an unknown actor saw a Mission Impossible sequel and, six years later, accompanied Tom Cruise on a visit to his Scientology Case Supervisor so the toothy megastar could find out how many freeze-dried thetans, or free- floating souls left here in volcanoes by the evil emperor Xenu, had attached themselves to his nose hair. Yes, that's what scientologists really believe. Anyway, as groovy and psychedelic as Donovan was during his heyday, he was never as daffy as all that. (more at link) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: OK, here's the poop
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/10/05 7:10:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lets also not forget the advanced technique teachers from India that want to be taken to a titty bar! Oh do tell! Now this is some juicy Sat yuga gossip! A left-handed tantric advanced TM technique teacher from India. -Peter I have heard some juicy ones over the years about advanced technique teachers from India. One friend hosting them in her house asked them when they planned to meditate and they just laughed and said Oh! we don't meditate, we just give the techniques! Another friend hosting some different ones was asked if he would take them to a strip tease club. They might have been jyotishis though because it was two or three men from India on movement business. Anyway it makes you wonder. I'm sure there are others out there with their share of stories. ** Many years ago, when people would complain to MMY about the behavior of TM teachers, MMY would say Even a sick man can open a health food store. Because TM and the Siddhis are mechanical techniques, as long as the teacher memorizes a few simple instructions and imparts them accurately, there is no need for the teacher to be any good at all or even to be a meditator, for that matter. Given the low state of human awareness everywhere on the globe, it's a good thing that this mechanical wisdom from the Vedas is being made available by MMY, because nothing else could work on a large-scale. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Polar Dreams closed its doors?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pibssmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must have missed some posts. Can someone direct me to them or just tell me why POlar Dreams went under. I thought Alan Unger had a booming biz here? and where did his right hand man Richard Rubin go. He and his wife Toni had moved to I City anyway but he worked here and traveled so had an apartment here. Just curious not meant to gossip. And now there are tons laid off is that true? where are they all going? Also Eric Szwartz new building is going to create more office space in town that is already vacant with Polar out and Greenfield trying to sell off shares in his buildings as if they were condo office space and now Eric moving out to 185th and Pleasant Plain. Does not seem likea good move he has any choice of space in town. I know he wanted to conslidate and he lives out there too but heard he paid alot per acres as well just dont get the economic of this town at all. Robson Jade building on Hwy one in foreclosure as well Another day in Fairfield I guess. So who is left among biggish co Telegroup, BAF, Hawthorne, Cambridge is that it? Telegroup? ! Thats ancient history, no? The New York Times on October 23rd,1998 reported that Telegroup, having lost $27 million dollars in the first six months of 1998, was about to run out of cash and might be sold in a deal that would give next to nothing to current shareholders in the company. http://www.zwire.com/news/newsstory.cfm?newsid=120073BRD=1139PAG=461 Primus bought Telegroup's assets in Fairfield in 1999. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: OK, here's the poop /www q.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, I'm always amazed with your searching the web skills to find related websites and articles to various topics. If you and others don't mind sharing some of their tips or point me to an article about the topic. I have interest/need to do my searching more effectively. Do you just google or using some more advanced tools or technique in your searching? ty. Strictly google-eyes, using at first keywords that will get me the most returns, then speed-reading the summaries on the return, and only using more restrictive keywords if the first pass is not productive. Google's site ranking algorithms almost always mean I don't have to look too far: http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: OK, here's the poop /www q.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/10/05 12:45 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, I'm always amazed with your searching the web skills to find related websites and articles to various topics. If you and others don't mind sharing some of their tips or point me to an article about the topic. I have interest/need to do my searching more effectively. Do you just google or using some more advanced tools or technique in your searching? One thing he may be using is Google alerts, or something like it: http://www.google.com/alerts. You can set up as many alerts as you like on various topics and you'll be notified when news stories on those topics appear anywhere in the world. I've got the Google News page bookmarked: http://news.google.com/ You can customize Google newspage to display news containing the keywords of your choice, so I've got several columns of news which post very quickly when keywords having to do with the TM movement show up in newspaper articles anywhere in the world, including the Fairfield Ledger. It's a little handier to use than Google alerts,IMO. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fairfield airport: us vs. them
Same Fight, different town By Beth Dalbey (former editor of Fairfield Ledger) http://www.businessrecord.com/main.asp?SectionID=40H=0 Every community has them people who make up their minds on issues before they've heard all the facts. For a moment, I thought I was back in Fairfield, covering the contentious issue of airport expansion. Fairfield's one of those lucky rural communities with lots of new businesses with a global reach, and it makes sense that some of the founders of those businesses would want to use their own corporate jets, rather than shuttle to Des Moines or Cedar Rapids to catch a commercial flight. Their arguments against the airport were the same ones proffered in Dallas County. It takes farmland out of production, the economics are fuzzy, it benefits only a few and burdens all taxpayers. In Fairfield, there was a strong cultural bias against many of those backing the airport because they happened to practice Transcendental Meditation, and in Dallas County, there appears to be a strong sense that airport supporters are one of `them' and not one of `us.'(more at link) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Polar Dreams
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/7/05 10:40 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I made a mild gibe about his bibliography, and he flames out, calling me stupid, in CAPITAL LETTERS, NO LESS, I agree he overreacted. Probably not used to chat room dynamics. and saying I was criticizing his work, which was not true -- I'm not going to put up with that crap, which makes Borden the Don Rickles in this routine...he'll be better off if he follows my advice and deep- sixes that idiot bibliography from his business site. If he is so interested in letting people know his taste in books (such as it is), he should put that up on a personal web site, not a business- oriented site, where people with a modicum of intelligence would be led to question his judgement. Maybe so. I guess he has diverse interests. Maybe most of the people interested in SV would also find many of his links of interest, or would be open-minded enough to follow what interested them and leave the rest. And are you going on a Bigfoot-hunting expedition with Michael? Would love to. Doubt we'd find one, but we'd have great fun hiking around. * You're in luck. the National Geographic Channel has a show tonight on Bigfoot, followed by one on Crop Circles... http://www.nationalgeographic.com/channel/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Vedic Cd for Ideal Girls School
Vedic Music CD Available www.VedicDevataProductions.org Introducing a Delightful way to help support the Ideal Girls School www.IdealGirlsSchool.org Prepare now for a celestial experience during the Nine Days of Mother Divine (nava ratri) Beginning April 9, with this New Divine CD of Vedic Music Vedic Devata Productions Presents: Daivi Shakti: Ancient Vedic Devotional Songs to Enliven the Universal Quality of Mother Divine Within Everyone A Divine Gift of Traditional Vedic Classical Devotional Songs to Purify and Uplift Consciousness, Body, Mind, and Environment. All Selections are authentic Vedic Sanskrit texts dating back thousands of years. Set to delightful traditional Vedic melodies which you can Learn and Sing Along with, with the Help of this CD. We know you will love and cherish this CD. Available for Purchase at: MSU Gift shop, MUM Bookstore, Golden Dome Market, Crest Jewel, 21st Century Bookstore or visit www.vedicdevataproductions.org visit and hear 5 delightful sound samples online About the CD These divine songs have a remarkable power and ability to nourish and uplift the heart and consciousness toward a state of complete unity. They are always nourishing, but especially fulfilling when sung during the Nine Days of Mother Divine, which occur in the spring and fall of every year according to the Vedic calendar. (Starting this coming April 9th) One has only to consult the Harvard Dictionary of Music to realize the ethnomusicology of Vedic India has now become among the most widely acclaimed and respected by scholars of world music as well as those of the Western Classical tradition. And rightly so, for its subtleties and intricacies of melodic pitch, frequency, and rhythm are unsurpassed in other cultural heritages. Here in these delightful samples from the vast array of the sacred classical music of Vedic India, surviving more than 5,000 years through oral tradition of teaching, lies a timeless treasure of delightful melodies and profound poetic texts; in sweetest simplicity and divine purity. Here lies a most sublime vehicle for human vocal _expression, as well as for connecting the heart and soul to its inner divine resources through the sensory experience of musical tone and text in the Vedic form of swara. For me personally, it has become a rediscovery of the higher purpose and function of music: enlivenment of the cosmic melodies and frequencies structuring the divine intelligence that administers our universe. Graciella Zogbi, vocalist, instructor, and researcher of Vedic Music I have listened to the beautiful recording of the singing of Sanskrit songs, and I found it enjoyable and very settling to listen to. From the viewpoint of Sanskrit, it's technically accurate, much like a recording that would emerge from some ashram high in the Himalayas. I recommend it, and I personally plan to listen to it again and again. Tom Egenes, Ph.D, Professer of Sanskrit Profits Benefit the Ideal Girls School To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Polar Dreams
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/9/05 10:41 PM, Don at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Archer wrote: on 4/7/05 4:22 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forwarded your comments to Michael Borden, since he's not a member of FFL, AFAIK. I added: Rick... this is brother of Billy Borden, film producer, right? Don't know. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099004/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The last 12 chapters of the BG
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pete was one of the very early TM teachers. He, unfortunately, didn't have Sri Sri Bobanandaji's TM-killed-urge-to-smoke experience but I don't know if his cancer was smoking related. I heard it was colon cancer. ** Smoking is just so g-damn deadly...there actually is a link between smoking and colon cancer: http://coloncancer.about.com/b/a/120627.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
