[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation with Mr. Chivukula
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: There is a case to be made here for an Indian guy, tired of the responsibilities of wife and children, trying to find an acceptable way of dumping them. In his culture, one of those ways is to declare yourself enlightened. If you do, you now get judged by an entirely different set of standards than anyone else. You get to not only dump your wife and kids without being considered an irrespon- sible asshole for doing so, you get *praised* for doing so, because you're now following your inner voice and dedicating yourself to gurudom and spreading the light. Yes, I think this is it. The long, short and middle of it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori
Perhaps they worry one could be practicing another technique, and result in destructive interference. I don't want to say this too loudly lest David OJ use this as a reason the ME effect has not alwasy worked as advertised. If he were to determine that some participants were practicing a diffferent program, then he could assign a mathematical value to that, and voila, you suddenly have a means deriritive impacting the statistical model plus or minus the standard deriviation formula. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail carc...@... wrote: With silence in the domes, why would anyone be banned for what happens outside the domes, if their meditation is what is important? From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 23 May, 2010 5:27:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: On Behalf Of ditzyklanmail Pardon my asking, but how can someone get kicked out of the domes and not be in good standing? In my case it was for being involved with Amma. Not sure what Buck's crime was. Do you really believe that your mudslinging and rumourmonging towards Maharishi has nothing to do with it ? And would mudslinging and one's willingness to pass along *public knowledge of Maharishi's past* be Bad Things, sufficient to require banning from the domes? Just curious...
[FairfieldLife] Re: tree
Any paricularly useful links you can provide to this? Thanks --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: If you read about the Sefirot, you'll be impressed by the delicacy and nuance -- the chart is meant to define God's, um, personality, and I find nothing in these concepts that has the least friction with, say, Advaita. This thing is as deep as a religion can make a thing. Just to read about it brings up exceedingly precise questions. And once you have the question, you're 90% of the way to the answer. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: You meant to convey to us the infinity of the Brahman or something more material --- On Sun, 5/23/10, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] tree Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 6:25 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: tree
Thank you. I have a sister in Israel, who lives an orthodox life style, and writes books about mystical Judaism. Most of her writing is so complicated, that it is difficult for me to follow what she is saying. But I would like to get a taste of some of this from a different angle. Thanks for the reply. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: I'm no scholar about this. Wiki is a good start. My best (and almost sole) reference is an incredible work in progress by Daniel Matt -- the brother of David Matt, my long time TM friend -- The Zohar 1: Pritzker Edition. http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Zohar-1/Daniel-Matt/e/9780804747479/?pwb=1; Daniel Matt's preliminary book, The Essential Kabbalah, is great for cutting your teeth on Kabbalah. http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Essential-Kabbalah/Daniel-C-Matt/e/9780062511638 I've had lunch with Daniel and got to grill him good about Advaita and spirituality in general, and I came away deeply impressed with his wide angle views. He is quite comfortable with Advaita's concepts. Daniel and David were fathered by a famous Rabbi on the east coast, and I'm too lazy to look up his name, but he was a great teacher in his own right -- I've read a number of his essays and found him very morally sobering. All in all, not a second of one's time is wasted by Daniel. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Any paricularly useful links you can provide to this? Thanks --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: If you read about the Sefirot, you'll be impressed by the delicacy and nuance -- the chart is meant to define God's, um, personality, and I find nothing in these concepts that has the least friction with, say, Advaita. This thing is as deep as a religion can make a thing. Just to read about it brings up exceedingly precise questions. And once you have the question, you're 90% of the way to the answer. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: You meant to convey to us the infinity of the Brahman or something more material --- On Sun, 5/23/10, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] tree Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 6:25 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: tree
Thanky you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: Lurk, you might try a search for Daniel Matt. Here's a few links: Excerpts from his book The Essential Kabbalah: http://www.spiritsite.com/writing/danmat/ Interviews: http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/articles/576_daniel_c__matt.htm http://www.tabletmag.com/arts-and-culture/books/765/living-in-a-material-world/ About the translation, with excerpts and QA: http://www.sup.org/zohar/index.cgi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Thank you. I have a sister in Israel, who lives an orthodox life style, and writes books about mystical Judaism. Most of her writing is so complicated, that it is difficult for me to follow what she is saying. But I would like to get a taste of some of this from a different angle.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation with Mr. Chivukula
Turq: And now Ravi's interview has quietly been disappeared from the list, so as not to somehow cast questions upon the other interviews, and on the whole concept of ordinary enlightenment. Rick: I removed it. I think each interview stands on it's own, but if I were one of the people interviewed, I might feel uncomfortable about being associated with someone who was acting as Ravi has been. In light of Ravi's behavior, I didn't think it appropriate to post his interview, both for the BatGap's reputation and for Ravi's well-being. I don't think it's healthy for him to get any more attention or to have anything reinforce his notion that he is a guru. I didn't listen to the interview, so I have no idea of the content. But, removing it for the reasons stated sounds a little coddling, if that's the right word. Coddling to Ravi, and coddling to those who visit the site. So, what is the reputation of Batgap. And I say that respectfully, because you have spent a lot of time and energy, and probably money (although I am aware of your wife's requirement about that). But how is the interview going to tarnish the reputation. Thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation with Mr. Chivukula - Minor, Important Adjustment
Well, you can imagine that it was pretty lopsided conversation with one party doing most of the talking, and the other party doing most of the listeneing. My main advice to him was that if he calls himself a simple brahman, to live the life of a simple brahman. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote: you didnt think it best to advise him to seek the help of a mental health professional? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: I had a conversation with Ravi this evening. I wish him the best in his endeavours. His awakening is such that it seems he is embarking on a new career, that of Raviguru. This is nothing other than what he has been saying of course, but I wanted to hear it straight from him. I remained skeptical that he was really leaving behind family and work life. But this seems to be the case. Pretty much, the answer to any question distlled down to, this is the divine working through Ravi. So, what else is there to say. Ex: Ravi, it sounds like you are going to live the life of wandering mendicant Answer: Yes, the divine will work through Ravi, and let him know what plan the divine has Or something to this effect. Bottom Line: I believe Ravi believes that his awakening will bestow upon him the credibiliy to assume the role of a guru to many seekers. And I think he feels that because he has great saturation with American culture, with all it's nuances that he is uniquely fashioned for this role. This is my report.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: No need to reduce other paths to Transcendental Meditation. This a habit that Maharishi had that, IMHO, cultivated arrogance and separation from others not doing what we did. The TM/ TM-Sidhi program offers a great sadhana or spiritual practice, but it failed to address necessary critical behaviors while on the path towards Realization. This failure to cultivate these values led to the profound dysfunction of the TMO and ultimately to its failure (failure is a relative term here. The TMO and MMY can also be seen as very successful in other contexts). TM is not the gold standard of spiritual practices. It simply is one of many bodies of yogic practices that contributes to increasing sattva in the body/mind. I don't believe there is a gold standard in any objective sense. Also, I would like to apologize ahead of time for my reasonable tone. I will get shrill and irrational if that is more appropriate. That's old school. That's our Dr. Pete. And didn't even send it from his blackberry. --- On Fri, 5/21/10, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote: From: Buck dhamiltony...@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit a priori To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 9:10 PM Amritanandamayi teaches a spiritual path that consists of understanding the scriptures in the Vedas, the Upanishads, and the Bhagavad Gita. Amma advocates meditation, karma yoga, and devotional service. According to Amma, the cultivation of blissful consciousness reveals the non-dual, transcendental absolute, leading to 'jivanmukti' - fully realized while yet living. Cool that reads as, Transcendental Meditation. There is one Truth that shines through all of creation. Rivers and mountains, plants and animals, the sun, the moon and the stars, you and I â all are expressions of this one Reality. - Amma This reads sounding like a 'Unified Field' Chart. Yes, that is succinct. She's a transcendentalist. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links   fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Conversation with Mr. Chivukula
I had a conversation with Ravi this evening. I wish him the best in his endeavours. His awakening is such that it seems he is embarking on a new career, that of Raviguru. This is nothing other than what he has been saying of course, but I wanted to hear it straight from him. I remained skeptical that he was really leaving behind family and work life. But this seems to be the case. Pretty much, the answer to any question distlled down to, this is the divine working through Ravi. So, what else is there to say. Ex: Ravi, it sounds like you are going to live the life of wandering mendicant Answer: Yes, the divine will work through Ravi, and let him know what plan the divine has Or something to this effect. Bottom Line: I believe Ravi believes that his awakening will bestow upon him the credibiliy to assume the role of a guru to many seekers. And I think that because he has great saturation with American culture, with all it's nuances that he is uniquely fashioned for this role. This is my report.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation with Mr. Chivukula - Minor, Important Adjustment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: I had a conversation with Ravi this evening. I wish him the best in his endeavours. His awakening is such that it seems he is embarking on a new career, that of Raviguru. This is nothing other than what he has been saying of course, but I wanted to hear it straight from him. I remained skeptical that he was really leaving behind family and work life. But this seems to be the case. Pretty much, the answer to any question distlled down to, this is the divine working through Ravi. So, what else is there to say. Ex: Ravi, it sounds like you are going to live the life of wandering mendicant Answer: Yes, the divine will work through Ravi, and let him know what plan the divine has Or something to this effect. Bottom Line: I believe Ravi believes that his awakening will bestow upon him the credibiliy to assume the role of a guru to many seekers. And I think he feels that because he has great saturation with American culture, with all it's nuances that he is uniquely fashioned for this role. This is my report.
[FairfieldLife] Re: (unknown)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On May 19, 2010, at 10:52 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: What the hell happened! Someone showed some good sense? Good sense? In what way? I mean maybe things are a bit over the top with what's going on with you, Understatement of the week. but calling the cops? I don't get that. Maybe someone was concerned that manic grandiosity and basically declaring himself Lord of the Universe while expecting others to respond accordingly were a tad odd. YMMV. So what? That's his experience, or the way you interpret it. But again, so what. What business is it of anyone elses? You've got some views that I sometimes consider over the top. Do you want the police knocking on your door for no legitimate reason. This so called intervention stinks, and was not motivated by any notion of good intention. It was motivated by pettiness. I will guarantee you that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Someone finally did call the cops on me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: (unknown)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@... wrote: Its my beloved wife...checkout FB..facebook.com/chivukula.ravi. I need all of your prayers..LOL.. The cops got surprised that an ordinary helpless simple man could be a problem. They laughed at me. What are they going to do? Look around? What a joke? But I would think something like this can upset the kids, upset the spouse. And why? The person who instigated that call is a petty coward. Love - Ravi. On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 8:52 PM, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: What the hell happened! I mean maybe things are a bit over the top with what's going on with you, but calling the cops? I don't get that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Someone finally did call the cops on me. But my mother protects me.. I strongly dislike any negativities, in Indian or Western culture. No harm is meant to anyone, so please stop. Mother Kali was making me look at my negativities, looking at negativities of Indian culture, western culture, please treat this as spiritual ramblings not a personal attack on everyone. Please don't call the police on me...:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: (unknown)
I guess she got what she wanted. Just couln't tolerate a view that departed too far from what she considered acceptable. Now life can go back to normal Breathe a sigh of relief. The renegade has been arrested --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@... wrote: Funny Sal..let me hit my limit...I know I have your wishes, I will see you guys in Chicago.. On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On May 19, 2010, at 10:52 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: What the hell happened! Someone showed some good sense? I mean maybe things are a bit over the top with what's going on with you, Understatement of the week. but calling the cops? I don't get that. Maybe someone was concerned that manic grandiosity and basically declaring himself Lord of the Universe while expecting others to respond accordingly were a tad odd. YMMV. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Someone finally did call the cops on me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: (unknown)
Well, I guess I kind of figured that if he was succeeding at work, if he was having a somewhat normal family life, then how off kilter could he be. But after the most recent post, the Lurkster may have been the last to realize what was going on. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 19, 2010, at 10:52 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: What the hell happened! Someone showed some good sense? Good sense? In what way? I mean maybe things are a bit over the top with what's going on with you, Understatement of the week. but calling the cops? I don't get that. Maybe someone was concerned that manic grandiosity and basically declaring himself Lord of the Universe while expecting others to respond accordingly were a tad odd. YMMV. So what? That's his experience, or the way you interpret it. But again, so what.What business is it of anyone elses? You've got some views that I sometimes consider over the top. Do you want the police knocking on your door for no legitimate reason. This so called intervention stinks, and was not motivated by any notion of good intention. It was motivated by pettiness. I will guarantee you that. Lurk, what makes you think it ever happened? I mean, this is the guy who has claimed that he's dealt with Sal and I and others here on FFL before on Amma lists. He claimed it not only here, but on the BATGAP forum. That never happened. He dreamed it all up, as part of some grandiose I'm so important they persecute me fantasy. I'm thinkin' that the Somebody called the cops ploy is another one out of the same playbook. Most of this -- *including*, as far as I can tell, the claims of awakening -- is all happening inside his head. Interestingly, as far as I can tell from a quick skim, he made *no impression at all* over on BATGAP. About the only person who bothered to even interact with him was Jim. That's a hopeful sign. Imagine if they had greeted him as one of their own and *encouraged* these fantasies. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Someone finally did call the cops on me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
What is it called? Making an exception on humanitarian grounds. That's what I would say. I think he needs us. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior Alex is going to explain his behavior, in his role as a FairfieldLife moderator, when someone makes more than 50 posts in a single week. This morning, Alex counted 8 more posts by Ravi since last night's Post Count, which had Ravi at 44 posts. Unless Rick decrees that Ravi should be allowed to post due to extenuating circumstances, Ravi's posting privileges are suspended until the evening of Friday, May 28.
[FairfieldLife] Re: (unknown)
Joe, maybe sometime I'll actually take the time for more than cursary look at your posts. I couldn't even really say what is your general POV on things. As best I can determine, I think you are a chimer-inner --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: Uh, right. Gotta get up pretty late in the afternoon to put one over on the Lurker! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Well, I guess I kind of figured that if he was succeeding at work, if he was having a somewhat normal family life, then how off kilter could he be. But after the most recent post, the Lurkster may have been the last to realize what was going on. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 19, 2010, at 10:52 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: What the hell happened! Someone showed some good sense? Good sense? In what way? I mean maybe things are a bit over the top with what's going on with you, Understatement of the week. but calling the cops? I don't get that. Maybe someone was concerned that manic grandiosity and basically declaring himself Lord of the Universe while expecting others to respond accordingly were a tad odd. YMMV. So what? That's his experience, or the way you interpret it. But again, so what.What business is it of anyone elses? You've got some views that I sometimes consider over the top. Do you want the police knocking on your door for no legitimate reason. This so called intervention stinks, and was not motivated by any notion of good intention. It was motivated by pettiness. I will guarantee you that. Lurk, what makes you think it ever happened? I mean, this is the guy who has claimed that he's dealt with Sal and I and others here on FFL before on Amma lists. He claimed it not only here, but on the BATGAP forum. That never happened. He dreamed it all up, as part of some grandiose I'm so important they persecute me fantasy. I'm thinkin' that the Somebody called the cops ploy is another one out of the same playbook. Most of this -- *including*, as far as I can tell, the claims of awakening -- is all happening inside his head. Interestingly, as far as I can tell from a quick skim, he made *no impression at all* over on BATGAP. About the only person who bothered to even interact with him was Jim. That's a hopeful sign. Imagine if they had greeted him as one of their own and *encouraged* these fantasies. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Someone finally did call the cops on me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
Have you seen the youtubes of those Pakistani's playing badminton. Some kind of exercise there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior Alex is going to explain his behavior, in his role as a FairfieldLife moderator, when someone makes more than 50 posts in a single week. This morning, Alex counted 8 more posts by Ravi since last night's Post Count, which had Ravi at 44 posts. Unless Rick decrees that Ravi should be allowed to post due to extenuating circumstances, Ravi's posting privileges are suspended until the evening of Friday, May 28. We now return you to your regularly scheduled badminton games.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
I say let man have his posting priviledges back. Unless of course,that would prolong the episode. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: What is it called? Making an exception on humanitarian grounds. That's what I would say. I think he needs us. He doesn't need *us*. He needs professional help, and *fast*. He sounds like a typical DESI to me. :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
Isn't this where they trot out Sandra Glickman. I didn't listen to the interview, but I think Rick said that she had no TMO background. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Maybe Rick ought to try a show where he interviews ordinary people but with the same questions he asked the awakened. And these should not be folks from Fairfield but off the streets of Chicago or New York. Might be hilarious. Might be picked up by HBO. ;-) TurquoiseB wrote: You sure do know how to pick 'em, Rick. Any other ordinary enlightened folks you want to share with us? I'm thinkin' that this one spent too much time around the gas pumps, and the fumes have gotten to him. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior, he is right now in Kaali Bhava.Please read carefully. Bitches that don't have any experiences - positive or negative, please do comment negatively, I want to feed on you..:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
I can hear it now. Okay Ravi it is a seven day time limit. You are allowed 50 posts. You may engage the participants in any verbal manuveaurs you see fit. And They can respond with their own verbal manuveaurs. You will be called on any below the belt attacks, but they are not illegal. Okay, now I want to come out posting And the rest, as they say is FFL history. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:13 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed. Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Ravi guru is going to explain his mad delusional behavior Alex is going to explain his behavior, in his role as a FairfieldLife moderator, when someone makes more than 50 posts in a single week. This morning, Alex counted 8 more posts by Ravi since last night's Post Count, which had Ravi at 44 posts. Unless Rick decrees that Ravi should be allowed to post due to extenuating circumstances, Ravi's posting privileges are suspended until the evening of Friday, May 28. I told Ravi about the 50-post limit on his first day. If he has exceeded it, he should take a breather for a week like anyone else.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi Guru's mad delusional behavior revealed.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: If you'd like to interview me about tacos, I'm your man. :-) Oh Jesus. I can just feel Edg on some rock outcropping ready to pounce.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's see the hands.....
I think we have the post of the week here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Let's see the hands of everyone here who thinks they are sane. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] (unknown)
What the hell happened! I mean maybe things are a bit over the top with what's going on with you, but calling the cops? I don't get that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@... wrote: Someone finally did call the cops on me. But my mother protects me.. I strongly dislike any negativities, in Indian or Western culture. No harm is meant to anyone, so please stop. Mother Kali was making me look at my negativities, looking at negativities of Indian culture, western culture, please treat this as spiritual ramblings not a personal attack on everyone. Please don't call the police on me...:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's clarifications on his experiences
We have not had fun like this for a long time. Let's enjoy it while it lasts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Dear everyone, Ravi Chivukula was a quintessential spiritual thug. He has an excellent memory, people who create fake id's, troll through list and attack him, his family, his Guru are spiritual wussies and pussies. He has an excellent memory, he remembers incidents from when he was 2, he will detect and hunt these people who harass devotees. He clearly remember tartie boy, sally and turqoise retard from his Amma days. Since animal metaphors seem to be all the rage these days, Ravi appears to be as crazy as a loon and as paranoid as a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs. :-) I have never either read or posted to any group about Amma. She seems like a nice lady and all, but I have never had enough interest in her to do so. He will eat tartie for breakfast, Turquoise for lunch and Sal for dinner, shukra69 for a snack...LOL Add to the animal metaphors being a bit of a pig. :-) He met Ammachi when he was 24, but he only accepted her teaching if it was applicable to him and rejected anything that wasn't applicable to him. He was rude and made fun of anyone who accepted his guru's teachings literally. He also tends to talk as if schizophrenic, referring to himself in the third person. That'll get you put away in some states or countries. :-) He didn't spare anyone. He was the quintessential spiritual thug and disciple. Wow the greatness of Ammachi !!! and a disciple like Ravi Chivukula..:-). His life was an open book, he didn't create fake id's to threaten and harass masters, he learnt from them. When Ravi sees these retards attacking devotees, true men like Jim Flanegin and a list started by a man Rick Archer that he so appreciates, he will not sit idle. He has the spiritual energy to share the essence and smells the wussies from a distance. They can only dream of a state like Ravi Chivukula. Legend in his own mind. Love - Ravi FOAD to you, too, brother.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's clarifications on his experiences
I am just loving every bit of this. Let me say that Ravi Chivukula is a good listener. I think he picks up right away where people are coming from, although, I still say he misunderstood Tart. But if he shooting from the hip, I think his aim is pretty accurate. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@... wrote: Dear Edg, Yes !!! I am awake, just got up, I am singing a song trying to wake up my wife and kids, dancing, blissed out ready to take down these wussiesLOL Love - Ravi. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Ravi must be enlightened; look at Turq going nutzoid with unstressing about it. He's got Turq's number, and doesn't mind hanging him upside down in the public square and smacking Turq the Jerk around like it was Benito Mussolini's last moments. And yeah, Turq came out of the chute with horns sharpened -- that's a tell that he's still looking for outer embodiments to rail upon because his other spiritual rapists are dead now. Poor Turq -- how can anyone stand the pain of being handcuffed to such a personality? I guess masturbating while fantasizing about lacing some young thing's drink with Ambien is as good as life gets for him now. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's clarifications on his experiences
I have to say, I find it refreshing. This may be his experience. I mean, after a while, I would think you would come back to the first person. But I can see where someone, who might be experiencing something new, may refer to himself in the third person. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: Alex Stanley is a person who is weirded out by people who refer to themselves in the third person. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: The irony is that the Ravi Chivukula, the thug became the lover...:-), he loves everyone now..but recognize a thug from a wussy. Ravi Chivukula loves the true spiritual thugs because they are the future lovers...but will smell and hunt down wussies, idiots and retards...LOL... You know who Ravi Chivukula is, he has a face, a family, a Guru, you know where he lives and works, Fremont and San Francisco, his life is an open book...he will come to Iowa when his Guru comes so people can meet him and his family. He will give his love and blessings to anyone who is open and interested. Do you know anything about your wussies, the retards, the idiots posing as spiritual thugs??? Ravi Chivukula has a special quality, his life of a thug converted lover doesn't match his Gurus, he has his unique style which is very different from his Gurus, he doesn't copy anyone, though he is in gratitude to his Gurus. The retards will use quotations from all over the place and will easily expose themselves as retarded because they can't compete with Ravi Chivukula..:-)because they are in a hurry to prove themselves to be thugs...LOL. Ravi is relaxed, patient..he is a hunter...of idiots, retards, wussieshe has done that all his life...never tolerated medocrity:-) Love - Ravi. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@wrote: Dear everyone, Ravi Chivukula was a quintessential spiritual thug. He has an excellent memory, people who create fake id's, troll through list and attack him, his family, his Guru are spiritual wussies and pussies. He has an excellent memory, he remembers incidents from when he was 2, he will detect and hunt these people who harass devotees. He clearly remember tartie boy, sally and turqoise retard from his Amma days. He will eat tartie for breakfast, Turquoise for lunch and Sal for dinner, shukra69 for a snack...LOL He met Ammachi when he was 24, but he only accepted her teaching if it was applicable to him and rejected anything that wasn't applicable to him. He was rude and made fun of anyone who accepted his guru's teachings literally. He didn't spare anyone. He was the quintessential spiritual thug and disciple. Wow the greatness of Ammachi !!! and a disciple like Ravi Chivukula..:-). His life was an open book, he didn't create fake id's to threaten and harass masters, he learnt from them. When Ravi sees these retards attacking devotees, true men like Jim Flanegin and a list started by a man Rick Archer that he so appreciates, he will not sit idle. He has the spiritual energy to share the essence and smells the wussies from a distance. They can only dream of a state like Ravi Chivukula. Love - Ravi
[FairfieldLife] Re: Boston Globe Big Picture Oil Spill
You forgot #4. Obama is somehow responsible for this. There should be a tie in of some sot. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: 1. BP is not allowing inspection of information from acoustic mapping of the undersea oil deposits in the water sub surface est to be 70% of the spill. BP is not releasing Hyper-spectral surface pictures of the spill area for analysis with University marine science collected by the US Gov. 2. BP is not conducting surveillance and allowing the other assets in the combined command to talk to the press about what they are finding. 3. BP has more liability under the surface than they do on the top and a conflict of interest in management of the oil spill mitigation and gets it authority from a cozy agreement with US Dept of Interior. Posted by BPoilworker May 17, 2010 10:13 PM Comment #904 The Big Picture http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/05/disaster_unfolds_slowly_in_the.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's clarifications on his experiences
Well, I do like his energy in many ways. But, yea, I mean, what's the point of making sure that you get off on the wrong foot with so many people. Not that people here were very welcoming. I suspect he will shortly go back to Buddha at the Gas Pump exclusively. I like the splash he made. But we've got the 50 post per week limit, and that is often a deal breaker for people. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On May 18, 2010, at 9:09 PM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Dear yifuxero piece of shit More fresh air, right lurk? :) What did we ever do without him... It doesn't matter what I say, you already are one of my bottom of the can idiotic retarded wannabe thuggie disciple...LOL..join the queue after torky, sally, tartie, shukri, freakybrain...you are the sixth... Ah, yes, the breezes wafting from his words are like the pure west wind... Ravi Chivukula is a hunter.:-) His eyes are hypnoticLOL.. You know how a lion catches its prey. It just locks its eyes with its prey - the minute the prey looks at the lion, it is frozen and all the lion has to do now is devour it. So you can run, you can hide, I will find you, look at you, hypnotize you, devour you and give you moksha... Now he's beginning to sound almost unhinged... P.S. I make a 6 figure salary that you can only dream of..so you can come and lick my ass and I will pay you for that..LOL Thank goodness this guy's in Fresno. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: One more step closer to Big Brother
That helps, thanks. I don't expect names. Just wanted a little fuller understanding. You provded that. Thanks --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Doug, maybe one day you will provide an actual example of the many statements you make along these lines, but I am not betting that today will be the day Dear Steve, if you were around Fairfield you'd see it too. You phishing and want names? As a journalist I don't share source names. But conspiracy nuts, you call out the conspiracy here in Fairfield and you'll be readily talking with a real aggravated activist out in any Fairfield coffee shop or in any grouping of folks. Real activated wingnuts. They are all over the place here. You'll notice Obama recently stopped in both Mt. Pleasant and Ottumwa but strategically also missed FF. The White House wanted regular folks to talk with. Not a crowd with salted activist nuts about the IRS, FCC, FDA, USDA, the Fed, the SEC, the NRA, the AMA, secession Paulists, or whatever. Spiritually though, the interesting thing in watching them get rev-ed up as you might ask them what they are thinking, is what they've done to their subtle energy systems. Is just the way it is. A real loss of self-control. Is pitiable to see. -Buck in FF As an old conservative meditator by experience my conspiracy friends I watch. Yeah, i'd be concerned about the anger and fear some of my friends around here vex themselves with over their conspiracy theories. Spiritually it is just not good. You can just see how they let their subtle energy systems get snagged and bawled up. Sad really to watch them combust. They haven't something better to do than fret and split hairs over figment completely beyond their reality? Like they're missing what is infront of themselves should just repent and go sit more with God in meditation. The science is pretty clear on that. Jai Adi Shankara, -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's clarifications on his experiences
Nice video. Brought a smile to my face. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@... wrote: A video is worth million words !!!. I uploaded a recent video (Friday May 14, 2010) of my love for her - reconfirming our vows so to speak - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjLFWJfcMZ0 Sorry I had something stuck in my mouth while I was singing but you will feel my love and energy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: And you thought kittens were cute...
Had the whole family around for that one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: Meet the Sloths: http://vimeo.com/11712103 Footage shot at the world's only sloth orphanage, in Costa Rica.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's clarifications on his experiences
Well, I have to say that this has really been a breath of fresh air. We have so much quarreling here, that it gets pretty dull. So, it's nice to have your input. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@... wrote: Thank you Steve. I have always considered words to be totally inadequate in expressing my feelings. All my life I was trapped with an intense love for my beloved, my mother but was never able to express it. It was like my Amma says - honey trapped inside a rock. I struggled, hated myself, anger, bitter, resentful. I acted out always fighting defensively, lashing out at people. I have hurt so many in my lifetime but because of my awakening I have completely purged myself through a painful process to become a perfect vessel for the divine. I'm just in a tremendous gratitude that existence makes me articulate my feelings through the medium of writing. This only started since April and even if it helps one person it will be of immense value. Love - Ravi. On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:44 PM, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: Nice video. Brought a smile to my face. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: A video is worth million words !!!. I uploaded a recent video (Friday May 14, 2010) of my love for her - reconfirming our vows so to speak - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjLFWJfcMZ0 Sorry I had something stuck in my mouth while I was singing but you will feel my love and energy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's clarifications on his experiences
Well, I have to say that this has really been a breath of fresh air. We have so much quarreling here, that it gets pretty dull. So, it's nice to have your input. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@... wrote: Thank you Steve. I have always considered words to be totally inadequate in expressing my feelings. All my life I was trapped with an intense love for my beloved, my mother but was never able to express it. It was like my Amma says - honey trapped inside a rock. I struggled, hated myself, anger, bitter, resentful. I acted out always fighting defensively, lashing out at people. I have hurt so many in my lifetime but because of my awakening I have completely purged myself through a painful process to become a perfect vessel for the divine. I'm just in a tremendous gratitude that existence makes me articulate my feelings through the medium of writing. This only started since April and even if it helps one person it will be of immense value. Love - Ravi. On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:44 PM, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: Nice video. Brought a smile to my face. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: A video is worth million words !!!. I uploaded a recent video (Friday May 14, 2010) of my love for her - reconfirming our vows so to speak - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjLFWJfcMZ0 Sorry I had something stuck in my mouth while I was singing but you will feel my love and energy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ravi's clarifications on his experiences
Well, he came on board, and laid out who he was and where he was coming from. How many have done that? Then Turq's first posts to that were out and out personal attacks. Attempting to speak for all of us by comparing him to Jim Flanagan, and saying that Jim was viewed as a pretty big fool around here. I can speak for myself, thank you. And then telling him (Ravi) he had to choose between Jim or his wife. (was that supposed to be some kind of joke) That seemed strange to me. He posted a video of him and his wife. I thought they looked like a happy couple. I don't see many people here, including myself, sharing that much personal information. I couldn't figure out his attacks on Tart. I don't think he got where Tart was coming from. Yea, he lashed out pretty strong against those he felt were demeaning him. But hey, they drew first blood. I like him. In the posts of his I've read at Buddha at the Park Bench, he seems pretty consistent, and doesn't seem to full of himself. So, that's my thumbnail. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On May 17, 2010, at 9:57 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: Well, I have to say that this has really been a breath of fresh air. We have so much quarreling here, that it gets pretty dull. So, it's nice to have your input. Yes, Ravi sure is a breath of fresh air, isn't he? So when I blast someone please remember this energy is not stuck in my lower centers, it immediately gives me a rush of energy since I'm pure and untouched. You can tell how someone is my retarded devotee... Hey tartie - another one of my idiot disciples from my Amma days, its one of my luckiest days..LOL, Amma has reunited me with my 3 favorite retards in one single day... Sorry today's applications for retarded disciples is closed. I'm your worst nightmare come true tartie guy..LOL, Amma has sent me to take care of retards like you tartie brain. She is too busy with the cream of the top tartie baby... Thanks for pointing out how fresh Rav has made the air here, lurk. :) Otherwise, we might have been inclined to chalk him up as a manic, grandiose, Edg-lite windbag. (And not only that, he's a bore.) Not that there's anything wrong with all that, of course... Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: One more step closer to Big Brother
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote: As an old conservative meditator by experience my conspiracy friends I watch. Yeah, i'd be concerned about the anger and fear some of my friends around here vex themselves with over their conspiracy theories. Doug, maybe one day you will provide an actual example of the many statements you make along these lines, but I am not betting that today will be the day Spiritually it is just not good. You can just see how they let their subtle energy systems get snagged and bawled up. Sad really to watch them combust. They haven't something better to do than fret and split hairs over figment completely beyond their reality? Like they're missing what is infront of themselves should just repent and go sit more with God in meditation. The science is pretty clear on that. Jai Adi Shankara, -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Observations on Buddha at the Gas Pump
I have really been enjoying reading the posts on Buddha at the Gas Pump. And Thank God, their protocol does not allow all the bickering, insults, attacks that are so prevalent here. I do not belong to that group, and have no intention to do so. I am more comfortable here, because I am pretty good in participating the aforementioned behaviorss. But over the last day or so, there have been many posts castigating off shore drilling, nuclear power plants, and other sentiments along those lines. But they have a guy, named Ravi, who is evidnetly having experiences of higher states of conscioussness. And, as best I can understand, because of this, he feels he must assume the role as his wife's guru. She, as best I can understand has been a devotee of Amma, but he has gone so far as to make her repeat 3 times, that she denounces Amma, and accepts him as her only legitimate Guru. And he claims he is doing all this for her own good. There are some other nuances along these lines, but that is the just, as best I understand. And the response from the other participants? Silence. Silence. To me, I see some hypocrisy, and maybe cowardice. For the record, only our torch bearer, Rick Archer seems to have had the fortitude to question him about this attitude.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Observations on Buddha at the Gas Pump
Ok, I believe he (Ravi) is of Indian descent. He claims that although he embraces, or at least is comfortable with liberal western values, that his wife is traditional in her values, and that she wants her husband to be her guru as well. Maybe it is all good. But it doesn't sound quite right to me. My connection between this situation, and off shore drilling, was that there seemed to be a big pile on, in the sense that members of the group were echoing one another that the BP disaster should make it clear that all off shore drilling should be banned, and then while we're at it, lets ban any more nuclear plants. Now, rightly or wrongly, I figure that people who espouse those sentiments are also likely to be vocal about women's rights, and it seemed that no one cared to challenge Ravi about his decision to ban his wife from participating in anything to do with Amma, and that going forward he was to occupy that role. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: snip But over the last day or so, there have been many posts castigating off shore drilling, nuclear power plants, and other sentiments along those lines. But they have a guy, named Ravi, who is evidnetly having experiences of higher states of conscioussness. And, as best I can understand, because of this, he feels he must assume the role as his wife's guru. She, as best I can understand has been a devotee of Amma, but he has gone so far as to make her repeat 3 times, that she denounces Amma, and accepts him as her only legitimate Guru. And he claims he is doing all this for her own good. There are some other nuances along these lines, but that is the just, as best I understand. And the response from the other participants? Silence. Silence. To me, I see some hypocrisy, and maybe cowardice. For the record, only our torch bearer, Rick Archer seems to have had the fortitude to question him about this attitude. Yow. From your description, it sounds like some kind of intervention is needed, fast (not online, in person). (Is there some connection between this and the denunciations of offshore drilling etc.?)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Observations on Buddha at the Gas Pump
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Ok, I believe he (Ravi) is of Indian descent. He claims that although he embraces, or at least is comfortable with liberal western values, that his wife is traditional in her values, and that she wants her husband to be her guru as well. Maybe it is all good. But it doesn't sound quite right to me. Me neither. I mean, if they have some kind of mutual agreement, that's one thing, but it's a private matter. Forcing her to repudiate Amma in public borders on abusive, it seems to me (again, on the basis of what you describe). Well, just to be clear. I don't believe the repudiation was a public event. I believe he made her do it privately to him. But he did not seem to mind talking about it. My connection between this situation, and off shore drilling, was that there seemed to be a big pile on, in the sense that members of the group were echoing one another that the BP disaster should make it clear that all off shore drilling should be banned, and then while we're at it, lets ban any more nuclear plants. Now, rightly or wrongly, I figure that people who espouse those sentiments are also likely to be vocal about women's rights, and it seemed that no one cared to challenge Ravi about his decision to ban his wife from participating in anything to do with Amma, and that going forward he was to occupy that role. I see the connection you were making. I think people are a lot more reluctant to challenge personal stuff publicly than huge impersonal entities like BP or the nuclear power industry. So that doesn't really surprise me. I hope she has some friends she can go to if he begins to get out of hand. Just sounds potentially ungood.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Observations on Buddha at the Gas Pump
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: I see the connection you were making. I think people are a lot more reluctant to challenge personal stuff publicly than huge impersonal entities like BP or the nuclear power industry. So that doesn't really surprise me. I mean, it's all very proper and polite over there. But the under current is aren't we pretty progressive here. So, I'm not sure how you just let something like this Ravi thing pass without a little bit of a challenge. But I enjoy the banter, even if I don't feel the need to participate. I hope she has some friends she can go to if he begins to get out of hand. Just sounds potentially ungood.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Observations on Buddha at the Gas Pump
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: I wonder, if he's being so obvious about it, if maybe it's some kind of a set-up. I mean, I could really see Shemp trying something like this out, and then saying... See? I was right! All you liberals really are phony hypocrites... Nah, it's more like a rennaisance dance over there. The interactions are all pretty polite, and follow a somewhat formal structure. First you nod or curtsey (acknowledge the worth of the person you are addressing). Then you take their hand, and engage in the first steps of the dance ( begin the content of your post), take a few twirls (most of their posts tend to be brief), and pass your partner on the next person, ( acknowledge that you have enjoyed the chat, and that, more importantly, some insight has been gained). I think you've been hanging around here too long.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Observations on Buddha at the Gas Pump
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: OK, I went to the group today because this piqued my interest, and a couple of things jumped out at me. Firstly, lurk, it's only been a few hours since he posted his little anti-Amma bit, it's a Sunday and the group only has 50 people or so. I believe it has been a little more than a few hours, and it seemed that the group was pretty active responding to posts quickly. Bottom line, I am dismissing this possiblity Second, he made the comment in the context of another thread, and it's easy when that happens for something that's basically off-topic to get lost. didn't get that on my end And thirdly--I don't know. He puts LOLs and smiley faces all over the post he announces he basically made his wife renounce Amma and accept himself, Ravi, as her guru--like it's some big joke or something. I missed those nuances. It all seemed pretty serious to me Which kind of gives the post a sort of weird feeling to me, since what he's describing doesn't sound at all fun. Yea, kind of seems to me like he went a couple steps beyond what seems normal. I'll stick with the insults and rudeness over here any day, lurk. You can go with the Ravi types who sound close to certifiable. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Observations on Buddha at the Gas Pump
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 9:15 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Observations on Buddha at the Gas Pump Ok, I believe he (Ravi) is of Indian descent. He claims that although he embraces, or at least is comfortable with liberal western values, that his wife is traditional in her values, and that she wants her husband to be her guru as well. Maybe it is all good. But it doesn't sound quite right to me. My connection between this situation, and off shore drilling, was that there seemed to be a big pile on, in the sense that members of the group were echoing one another that the BP disaster should make it clear that all off shore drilling should be banned, and then while we're at it, lets ban any more nuclear plants. Now, rightly or wrongly, I figure that people who espouse those sentiments are also likely to be vocal about women's rights, and it seemed that no one cared to challenge Ravi about his decision to ban his wife from participating in anything to do with Amma, and that going forward he was to occupy that role. Actually, I was the one who suggested that the oil spill may end the debate about expanding off-shore oil drilling. Here's my comment: My take on the leak is that humanity is too stupid and stubborn to see and adopt more evolutionary, environmentally-friendly technologies voluntarily, so we need very graphic, explicit lessons. This one kind of ends the debate on off-shore drilling, I'd say. Let's hope we don't need a lesson on nuclear power plants. Okay, thanks for the clarification. It sounds to me like the solutions you propose are pretty radical. Nuclear seems to be working well in places it is generating power. I also responded to Ravi thusly: Why does she have to reject Amma? Can't she derive inspiration from multiple sources? With so much change and development still going on in your life, do you really feel qualified to be a guru? Or maybe it's a traditional Indian thing, where the wife sees her husband as her guru. And in another post: So are you entering an Anti-Amma phase, or do you just feel that your wife's devotion to you should be undivided? Will you and she still go to see Amma?Right, I would be interested in hearing a response. Seems to me everyone else gave him a free pass. I guess some feel it wouldn't be polite, or that it would be awkward to press him on this. He hasn't responded to this yet. I'll reserve judgment on Ravi. I don't know him or his relationship with his wife well enough to understand what's going on between them. He was my most recent interview and I hope to have the audio and video up at I am sure it will shed some light on what his perspective is. http://batgap.com/ within a day or two. Thanks
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bloomberg speculates that Times Square car bombing because of health care bill
Wait, something not making sense. I thought you were a retired UPS driver? So, if you lost 170 lbs., and if I speculate that you now weigh about 200 lbs., how were you a UPS driver scrambling around and maintaining their efficiency ievels? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: Thank God I don't have one(pace maker)! Dr. Shahzad just keeps an eye on my blood pressure which is pretty good after losing 170 lbs. From: authfriend jst...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 12:39:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bloomberg speculates that Times Square car bombing because of health care bill  --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ ... wrote: It's not supposed to? Right up until just before it goes off... You want to worry if it *stops* ticking. --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ ... wrote: I think I just heard that 8 people have been arrested in Pa- ki- stan as accomplices of Shahzad. Damn, that's my cardiologists name! If your pacemaker starts ticking, I'd be worried... :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Video: Canadian Couple Arrested at US Border
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: I actually had the Canadian border folks pull me and another TM teacher in for questioning when we crossed the border to see a Paul Horn and Larry Domash thing in Vancouver BC. The teacher I was with just *had* to say we're teachers on our way to a meeting before I could say just visiting which was more pertinent. However the Canadian officers were not harsh nor rude. They were just concerned we were going up to steal teaching jobs away from Canadians. Boy did I yell at that idiot teacher after they let us go. TM made some people really lame. So, the moral we are to take away from this story is these TM teachers are so lame because a Canadian border control agent asked them where they were going, and they gave a simple straightforward answer instead of divining what might have been in the back of the border control agent's mind regarding the employment picture of Canadians? And I presume this happend 35 years ago? I'm not getting. I'm afraid it says a lot more about you Bhairtu. Like it might be getting close to the end of the day, and you haven't gotten enough TM bashing in.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The BBC: Saint who has lived without food, water for 70 yrs
A couple comments I don't doubt that to be the case. However this doesn't appear to be the classic bribe taking scenario So, Indians are likely incapable of a honest inquiry about this? I would go further and say that people who are heavily invested in the *idea* of miracles are the *last* people on earth who want to investigate one. In many cases they are the last people who ever want to encounter one in real life. The way that they maintain their faith in the miracles is to always keep them in the realm of ideas, and the phenomena themselves safely in the realm of things that happen to other people. I sort of did not get the impression in watching the 2 minute , that the people investigating it, were heavily invested in the idea of miracles, or trying to perpetuate the notion that they are real. As I have pointed out many times, the TMO could prove that something extraordinary (beyond expenditure of pure muscle effort) was happening in yogic flying. They could do this simply and once and for all by picking their best flyers and filming them with slow-motion- capture cameras while flying on a water mattress. If the flyer can get off the surface of the water mattress, then it's not muscle effort. Done deal. Fait accompli. Has there ever been any interest in doing this? Of course not. If it *didn't* happen, they couldn't keep saying that something extraordinary was happening in yogic flying beyond simple muscle effort. And such a realization would be the first chink in their armor of belief. My point is simply that rational people (such as your- self, Lurk, and I'm serious about this) often ascribe motives to *irrational* people that they do not have, such as a desire to find out the real truth about things they are heavily invested in, belief-wise. On the surface the people investigating this thing seemed to be wanting to be objective in their investiagation, or certainly trying to present this appearance. But this could just be a facade. I have not found such a 'tude to be present all that often. My experience is that they more often react like JohnR does every time someone suggests that he prove Jyotish by making one or two *concrete, non- vague, easily verifiable predictions*. He declines, every time, for one reason or another. He -- and people like him -- will *always* decline any real opportunity to prove the things they believe to be true. They cannot take the chance that these things they believe in might be proved untrue. Just my opinion. Thanks. I also don't see a direct path for them to profit from it. I mean they are not making a newdiscovery. And I'm not sure how the supposed yogi can easily cash in on it either.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count
New name atop the leaderboard. Oh yea. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postco...@... wrote: Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat May 01 00:00:00 2010 End Date (UTC): Sat May 08 00:00:00 2010 90 messages as of (UTC) Sun May 02 23:53:57 2010 15 lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... 11 Rick Archer r...@... 10 authfriend jst...@... 10 TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com 5 wle...@... 5 Bhairitu noozg...@... 4 cardemaister no_re...@yahoogroups.com 3 guyfawkes91 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 3 ditzyklanmail carc...@... 3 Yifu Xero yifux...@... 3 WillyTex willy...@... 3 Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com 3 do.rflex do.rf...@... 2 John jr_...@... 1 yifuxero yifux...@... 1 wayback71 waybac...@... 1 tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 raunchydog raunchy...@... 1 paultrunk tru...@... 1 nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com 1 Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... 1 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 1 David Hawthorne da...@... 1 Buck dhamiltony...@... Posters: 24 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The BBC: Saint who has lived without food, water for 70 yrs
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anatol_zinc anatol_z...@... wrote: don't know if this guy is genuine but believe it is possible in Autobiography of a Yogi, Paramahansa Yogananda writes about two lady saints who did not take food for decades one was a Catholic nun whom I assume was investigated and watched by the church but most of all I believe Yogananda and more recently, Mooji of www.mooji.org said that he knows personally a whole family, except for the youngest one, in South Brazil who are breatherians science cannot prove that something like this is not possible, therefore, anyone who wishes to relive that it is possible is basically saying this is my hypothesis and it remains to be proven one way or the other Edg dismissed the story outright as an impossibility or a fraud. Turq, if I followed his line of reasoning, seemed to dismiss it as well. I mention those two as they were about the only people who commented on the story. I also read the account of Yogananda's. I guess you either believe that there are such things as miracles, (or apparant miracles, as if they do exist, there must be other, uncovered laws which apply to them), or you don't. I don't immediately presume this story is a fraud. But, I need to see subtantiation. Just for fun, for those who don't buy into occurances that violate the laws of physics, are the accounts of objects like cardboard getting lodged in steel, during a tornado, also fraud. I am not asking cynically. I really don't know. I suppose I could check it out online. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: The BBC's 2-minute video-report on an Indian saint who has lived with no food, no water, for over 70 years: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8652837.stm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama event
For me, just the fact that he is not Bush, that there is not a Dick Cheney in a position of power is good enough for me right now. And I also happen to feel that he is doing a pretty good job. Obviously YMMV. And I think Hillary Clinton is also doing a tremendous job. I've said it many times before-Bush viewed himself as a wartime president, and he didn't seem to have an interest in anything else. As I see it, all the dire predictions of how the Iraq conflict would deteriorate, and how we couldn't prosecute the conflict in Afganastan, how national security would lapse, have all been proven false. And I think the primary reason is that he is not running the wars from the oval office, but rather they are being run from the Pentagon. And national security is and always will be a priority. It's just that gone is the giant manipulation through fear. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, andrasayer sandraayer@ wrote: Ok, you're in love with Obama. Are you serious about the enlightenment? He hired the former lawyer of Monsanto to head the Food Drug admin.(not to mention that he has not been able to quit smoking). Not to mention a whole bunch of things that were odious to progressives when Bush did them, but don't seem to bother Obama's fans when he does them. Their equanimity is a wonder to behold.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wle...@... Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:55 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive' Knees are still being cut resignation of the Freshman's men's Dean of men just 2 weeks ago, or so. Whom I interviewed on my show. I think he was forced to resign. I hope his being on my show didn't have anything to do with it. Like, who are we talking about? The first comment doesn't make any sense at all (at least to me), and the second comment doesn't clarify anything either.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'
Thank you --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 7:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of WLeed3@ Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:55 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive' Knees are still being cut resignation of the Freshman's men's Dean of men just 2 weeks ago, or so. Whom I interviewed on my show. I think he was forced to resign. I hope his being on my show didn't have anything to do with it. Like, who are we talking about? The first comment doesn't make any sense at all (at least to me), and the second comment doesn't clarify anything either. John Speer. http://batgap.com/john-speer/ A friend just told me that his having been on my show was the last straw, so they asked him to resign. I guess he was too open-minded.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'
This must be such an insult to the admin and staff. Hasn't this been the directive all along. Cut back, do without, accept the meager compensation. Now, even this subsistence is seen to be too much. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 waybac...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 no_reply@ wrote: Slowly, very slowly, the awful truth is beginning to make it through to the top guys in the TMO. But it's already too late to save MUM, it has no credibility in the academic world and so it can't get new staff. So no amount of economizing will allow it to survive. This news is just the first step towards the inevitable closure of MUM, with all that implies for the rest of the movement. When times are tough and people have to make tough choices they reveal their real priorities. You can be pretty sure that Girish's palace and Tony's Paris pad won't be sacrificed to keep MUM alive. Does anyone really know the style in which Girish lives? If MUM goes, I think that means the TMO goes. When this falls apart, it will be most interesting to see how the top people live out their lives - will they have oodles of money squirreled away, or be getting by on very little.? Living in FF or some TM enclave in Vlodrop, or getting far away from it all? For TM teachers, the TMO was incredibly stingy - and I imagine the same goes for their treatment of MUM faculty, too. My guess is that if Bevan is beginning to ring the alarm bells publicly, then he and the other top people are way way ahead of what they are talking about. I bet they have already begun the plan to dismantle things. I have no idea who runs the money and disperses it, or what is left of it. But it would be a really interesting process to watch from the inside. And what about the value of MUM- selling the land and buildings? Wouldn't it be wild if some fundie Christian college bought the place? Honestly, I would be sad to see the place close - at least in its ideal form, the whole idea is a worthy one. It is the center of the organization for TM people. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: I think there is not much money left to support all the things going on: India brahmastan buildings, MUM, NYC's Broad Steet building, the Maharishi schools, Vlodrop, and salaries or whatever for the top folks all over the world. All expensive ventures begun during different times. The TMO has been trying to sell the Broad St property for at least 9 months now. Without MMY and then the economy, I suspect donations are way way down. And very few initiations. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:59 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] MUM only to 'Survive' Dateline: Maharishi University of Management Bevan insturcts faculty and staff that MUM is just to survive, tighten up Don't do anything new. This was the mission laid out by Bevan the other day in tele conferance meeting that he called in to from somewhere. What did he mean by this? Survive could have many meanings.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The BBC: Saint who has lived without food, water for 70 yrs
I saw this article earlier this week, and didn't get a chance to comment on it. Recently Edg commented that had Fred Lenz really been able to levitate that you would have gobs of people and press, and even the govenrment all over it. And I said that sometimes the things you expect the press and culture to jumb on, they don't. To me this is an example of this. If this is true, is this not as remarkable a feat as leviatation? I saw this story on a major media web site, on the front page, Tuesday or Wednesday. Is this getting more than a passing interest from the press, and culture. Doesn't seem like it. And then, why not? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: The BBC's 2-minute video-report on an Indian saint who has lived with no food, no water, for over 70 years: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8652837.stm
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'
What was his position? Was he with the University? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, David Hawthorne da...@... wrote: When I talked to John, last night, he said he left to pursue other interests. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Archer Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 8:03 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive' From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 7:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of WLeed3@ Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:55 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive' Knees are still being cut resignation of the Freshman's men's Dean of men just 2 weeks ago, or so. Whom I interviewed on my show. I think he was forced to resign. I hope his being on my show didn't have anything to do with it. Like, who are we talking about? The first comment doesn't make any sense at all (at least to me), and the second comment doesn't clarify anything either. John Speer. http://batgap.com/john-speer/ A friend just told me that his having been on my show was the last straw, so they asked him to resign. I guess he was too open-minded.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, David Hawthorne da...@... wrote: When I talked to John, last night, he said he left to pursue other interests. Forgot to say, and spend more time with his family Forgot that part. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Archer Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 8:03 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive' From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 7:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of WLeed3@ Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:55 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive' Knees are still being cut resignation of the Freshman's men's Dean of men just 2 weeks ago, or so. Whom I interviewed on my show. I think he was forced to resign. I hope his being on my show didn't have anything to do with it. Like, who are we talking about? The first comment doesn't make any sense at all (at least to me), and the second comment doesn't clarify anything either. John Speer. http://batgap.com/john-speer/ A friend just told me that his having been on my show was the last straw, so they asked him to resign. I guess he was too open-minded.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'
Oh, okay. That's why it wasn't making sense. Dean of Men Funny title. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 10:49 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive' What was his position? Was he with the University? Dean of Men. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , David Hawthorne david@ wrote: When I talked to John, last night, he said he left to pursue other interests. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Rick Archer Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 8:03 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive' From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 7:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of WLeed3@ Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:55 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive' Knees are still being cut resignation of the Freshman's men's Dean of men just 2 weeks ago, or so. Whom I interviewed on my show. I think he was forced to resign. I hope his being on my show didn't have anything to do with it. Like, who are we talking about? The first comment doesn't make any sense at all (at least to me), and the second comment doesn't clarify anything either. John Speer. http://batgap.com/john-speer/ A friend just told me that his having been on my show was the last straw, so they asked him to resign. I guess he was too open-minded.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The BBC: Saint who has lived without food, water for 70 yrs
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Lurk, The guy has not been observed long enough to declare a miracle. And, as we know, bribery is the life blood of India. Sounds like a pretty harsh, even bigoted judgement. So, Indians are likely incapable of a honest inquiry about this? The guy could be merely fasting and secretly pissing in a wad of tissue which he hands off to a friend. I saw this article yesterday about an American guy, decades ago, that went around showing folks how he could be run completely through by a sword. Turns out he had taken a year and built a shaft thought his body like one has through an earlobe for an earring -- talk about your dedicated scammers! Same deal with this yogi -- even two dollars is big time motivation in India. Get international acclaim, no matter how temporary, and the guy's going on a speaking tour for the rest of his life as the saint. Western science is not going to have a second thought about this. That's pretty easy. Just dismiss it as impossible. Goes against what we know about human phsyilogy, (at least so far), so dismiss it. I'm not there yet, for better or worse. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: I saw this article earlier this week, and didn't get a chance to comment on it. Recently Edg commented that had Fred Lenz really been able to levitate that you would have gobs of people and press, and even the govenrment all over it. And I said that sometimes the things you expect the press and culture to jumb on, they don't. To me this is an example of this. If this is true, is this not as remarkable a feat as leviatation? I saw this story on a major media web site, on the front page, Tuesday or Wednesday. Is this getting more than a passing interest from the press, and culture. Doesn't seem like it. And then, why not? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: The BBC's 2-minute video-report on an Indian saint who has lived with no food, no water, for over 70 years: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8652837.stm
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote: Dateline: Maharishi University of Management Bevan insturcts faculty and staff that MUM is just to survive, tighten up Don't do anything new. This was the mission laid out by Bevan the other day in tele conferance meeting that he called in to from somewhere. After which he and Raja Raam Raji Ram retire to the Pattisserie to enjoy another bon bon and cup of expresso, maybe with a pet poodle prancing about Drive out Fear. Yeah these are nice changes but they will probably depend more on how much of Bevan's 'administration through fear' is still around anymore inside the Tmorg. Last time Keith Wallace did this out of goodwill in a concerted way Bevan came in behind him cutting everyone off at the knees. Do not take counsel of your fears. Although this might seem like a repeat of the do not fear failure maxim, it's vastly different in meaning and context. ... In the business community, it's fundamentally imperative that management not run a business based on fear and intimidation. In many cases, when employees are fearful of retribution by management, they refuse to ask questions or offer suggestions. Very often they continue to do their job incorrectly instead of asking for help and they won't tell management when problems arise for fear of being blamed. Employees must feel secure in their jobs before they can be outspoken about problems. They should be part of the process, not afraid of the process. Refer to Deming's point 8, Drive out Fear. -Tactical Leadership Skills for Business Managers, Charles Province
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Proud to be an American WOW some humor on this subject
I really don't have a problem with many of these sentiments. What I can't figure out is why so much of the supposed blame distills down to Barack Obama. George Bush got us into two massively expensive wars costing a over a trillion dollars in present or future costs. And what have we gotten for it? And it is Barack Obama who is destroying the country? And it seems to me that Barack Obama is far more successful prosecuting these wars, maybe because he is letting the military people run them, than the arm chair general Dick Cheney. Did Dick Cheney spend any time, or have any interest in domestic issues? I don't think his agenda included anything that wasn't war or national security related. And when I say national security related, I mean government intrusion into people's rights. But somehow it is Barack Obama who is destroying the country? I don't think so. And those are my talking points for today. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wle...@... wrote: HA! HA! HO! From: jestfrie...@... To: wle...@... Sent: 4/23/2010 10:05:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Fwd: Proud to be an American From: oceanbrezz...@... To: ranma...@..., rrock55...@..., ronaldsgif...@..., jmello...@..., e_fo...@..., mommyfr...@..., seximu...@..., borges...@..., amejest...@..., kan...@..., s.roxie...@..., cozi1...@..., paublo...@..., misskarik...@..., mrscrystaldu...@..., jestfrie...@..., sleepywoodstock2...@... Sent: 4/19/2010 4:10:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Fwd: Proud to be an American -Original Message- From: frazz...@... Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 19:55:47 EDT Subject: Fwd: Proud to be an American To: alleykic...@..., oceanbrezz...@..., elp...@..., mrs...@..., hmeinh...@..., nana19591...@..., bobbyjoe7...@..., wysiwy...@..., heidi0...@..., onecen...@..., wsarg32...@... -Original Message- From: luvmyd0...@... Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 18:48:31 EDT Subject: Fwd: Proud to be an American To: bbweinb...@..., collist...@..., jlane...@..., lake...@..., chele...@..., mdisim...@..., rj...@..., captski...@..., frazz...@..., tbloom2...@..., smucki...@... From: lsauls7...@... To: cruisj...@..., cba1...@..., cbb1...@..., luvmyd0...@..., mahoney...@... Sent: 4/9/2010 6:18:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Proud to be an American -Original Message- Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 12:51:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Colleen Newsom newsomgrad...@... Subject: Fw: Proud to be an American To: Jeffery Cechovic jefferycecho...@..., Mike DAmato damatom...@..., stephen plump smp4...@..., Steve kova...@..., Sharise Swan onesupercha...@..., Bob and Denise thatnthis...@..., barbandtu...@... barbandtu...@..., Linda Sauls lsauls7...@... This guy had the guts to put this on the internet.Have the guts to forward it! MY NAME IS WALT TURSKE FROM CLEVELAND, OHIO YES, I'M A BAD AMERICAN I Am the Liberal-Progressive's Worst Nightmare I am an American. I am a Master Mason and believe in God. I ride Harley Davidson Motorcycles, and believe in American products. I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some liberal governmental functionary, Democratic or Republican! I'm in touch with my feelings and I like it that way! I think owning a gun doesn't make you a killer; it makes you a smart American. I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, and does not entitle you to anything. Get over it! I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, you should do it in English. I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God when and where they want to. My heroes are John Wayne, Babe Ruth, Roy Rogers, and Willie G. Davidson,who makes the awesome Harley Davidson Motorcycles. I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor. I know wrestling is fake and I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it. I've never owned a slave, or was a slave. I haven't burned any witches or been persecuted by the Turks, and neither have you! I believe if you don't like the way things are here, go back to where you came from and change your own country! This is AMERICA...We like it the way it is! If you were born here and don't like ityou are free to move to any Socialist country that will have you. (And take Barak Obama with you.) Massachusetts started the ball rolling. Keep it going. Let's really clean house starting with the White House. The seat of our biggest problems. I want to know which church is it, exactly, where the Reverend Jesse Jackson preaches, where he gets his money, andwhy he
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cat Woman
Edg, I think part of the problem may be that you have been spending too much time at Buddha at the Park. Rick does not tolerate personal attacks there, and maybe that restraint has just exploded onto the surface here. Just a theory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Heh heh! Glad to see you've read the screed. Dwell on it you fucking fake! It makes my day to see your mask of braggadocio ripped off by your own petard's blast. Not my best personality dynamic, but better that I'm scouring creeps than, say, if I was trolling sidewalk cafes looking for my next STD. And, as triggered as I am, as emotional as I am, better to be me on the right side, the human side of the immigration issue, and, hey, I make lemonade out of my roiling by letting my creativity have at these evil pricks. Oh, yeah, it's masturbatory, but when I come up with stuff like Did they have large and obvious growths emerging from their brains?, I have a diss-ogasm, and that's a fun way to have a roll in the meme-hay. Otherwise, these black-hole-souled fucks just keep posting their shit here and then we all come off as collaborators because we don't at least complain or try half-assedly to counter their lies. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Edg is on the rag again. :-) Chalk this one up as a big win for WLeed3, who pushed Edg's buttons big-time, so much so that now he can't get them unpushed. Or is that unpussed? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Turq -- Leopards? Leopards? How could anyone anywhere in the Western World not know the difference between a leopard and a cheetah? This seems to go to the concept that you're a world-class bullshitter -- here you are water torturing us with an incessant bragging about your vast array of experiences, your endless knowledge of entertainment's many modes, your famous-name encounters, and now, what? WHAT? I'm shocked that you are coming up so strikingly uneducated, so bereft of common knowledge. -- A five year old knows the difference. To be this out of it can only mean that you're a complete boob about almost any nature topic, because this big-cats knowledge-set has been worked to death by Disney and every cable science series. Ever read any history about the Egyptians? Hell, you can find this knowledge being blended into cooking shows and quilting circles! Sucks to be you -- pants on the ground, dude! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WwacQQChaEfeature=related Great find. That is some kick-ass pussy. The leopards are neat, too. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM only to 'Survive'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Hm, did Girish empty the accounts? I was hoping that with MMY gone (and no longer available to blackmail?), he wouldn't be able to do that anymore. Rick would you care to elaborate rather than just post innuendo. What did Girish have on him?
[FairfieldLife] Re: How fast can we change?
Groovy man. We're back to the beat generation. Coffee shops, and now even pot houses. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Comment I made to a friend. Might stimulate discussion here: We're in the midst of the most fundamental transformation in recorded human history. The pace of change is accelerating faster than we realize. Many societal, economic, and technological systems which most consider rock-solid are already crumbling and will eventually die out, to be replaced by other systems which are already emerging. The trick is to balance the collapse of the old with the emergence of the new in such a way as to minimize disruption and chaos. We're not going back to 19th century technologies, we're moving ahead to entirely new ones. The evolutionary force is quickening.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How fast can we change?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSpRpOrVEiA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Comment I made to a friend. Might stimulate discussion here: We're in the midst of the most fundamental transformation in recorded human history. The pace of change is accelerating faster than we realize. Many societal, economic, and technological systems which most consider rock-solid are already crumbling and will eventually die out, to be replaced by other systems which are already emerging. The trick is to balance the collapse of the old with the emergence of the new in such a way as to minimize disruption and chaos. We're not going back to 19th century technologies, we're moving ahead to entirely new ones. The evolutionary force is quickening.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: THE BEST ITALIAN PEPSI COMMERCIAL.
That's good Bill. BTW, everyone is getting a real kick out of the elections there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wle...@... wrote: From: wle...@... To: janik...@..., carlnch...@..., richl...@..., carolynleed...@..., carolyn_l...@..., rle...@..., swey...@..., robinl...@..., theresa.l...@..., c...@..., lee...@..., gehma...@..., emsin...@..., maryann.ho...@..., caroldickw...@..., kkchan...@... Sent: 4/28/2010 4:27:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Fwd: THE BEST ITALIAN PEPSI COMMERCIAL. From: wle...@... To: rbpep...@..., latinus17_latinu...@..., dorothea...@..., grandm...@..., sat...@..., tin...@..., olaflo...@..., l...@..., mlt7...@..., sar...@..., eagan1...@..., karenhmc...@..., laura.hebe...@..., tom.hebe...@..., rf2...@..., rfl...@..., iachan...@..., rdun...@..., bills...@..., janik...@..., primitivo_afr...@..., neon4caro...@..., hermanrodenb...@..., pau...@..., days.of.lea...@..., dakkon.black.bla...@..., dennis...@..., mousumide...@..., hgupt...@..., sandy@..., lawrencesmi...@..., jlsmit...@..., donlo...@..., bl...@..., stevel...@..., l...@..., eb7...@..., dgrodj...@... Sent: 4/28/2010 4:23:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Fwd: THE BEST ITALIAN PEPSI COMMERCIAL. ,From: humorl...@... To: hu...@... Sent: 4/28/2010 3:06:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: THE BEST ITALIAN PEPSI COMMERCIAL.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN May 1!
ok --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: Are you serious Lurk? Why don't I just say it? How about the feelings of the person involved? There are several here who know what and who I am talking about. If I told you, you would be extremely unhappy about both the events and the fact that I had outed the person against her wishes. Sono it stops here for now. Read Judith Bourke's book when it comes out. Also, I highly recommend reading Nancy Cook de Herrera's book which I just did again for the first time in several years. It really captures first hand what it was like to be a part of the growth of the movement in the early 60s and what it was like to be in on the great phase transition...the good and the bad...in the mid 70s. Read. Learn. - -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: This topic really agitates you doesn't it Tex? As I've said, I understand. I was agitated when I first heard about it myself way back when. However, I didn't put up a steel door and refuse to consider information coming from several sources, Joe, I for one don't care if he had sexual relations or not. I am not unnerved by it, but ...one of whom would really fry your brain if you knew. this type of innuendo is a little weak (Out of respect for her privacy, she will remain anonymous until she chooses to say something on her own.) By the way, your guesses' below are lousy. If you've got something to say, why don't you just say it, instead of saying, if you only knew, if you only knew. Well if you know, tell us! And if you are not going to tell us, then maybe get off the high horse a little, as the silent authority on the matter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: Maybe nobody ever 'caught' him doing anything like that. Joe: Tex, it doesn't make sense to you for the simple reason that you do not want it to make sense. You don't want this to compute since you would short circuit if you allowed yourself to allow this as a possibility. So, Joe, how many minutes did you spend in his direct company alone, in his room? Zero. In fact, I've seen no evidence that you were ever in a room with the guy at all, much less being a skin-boy, door stop. My guess is that you've never been within a thousand feet of the guy, if that. So, your comment makes no sense.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Event
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: President Obama spoke in Ottumwa (town near FF) today. My wife and I got good seats and managed to shake his hand at the end. I said to him We love you. Don't let the turkeys get you down. He laughed and replied, There are lots of them out there. They keep on gobbling. Oh, you are so inside the inner circle, to share the inside joke with the President. I like him too, but I don't idolize him. Sounds like you idolize him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dr Steven Greer responds to Stephen Hawking's 'Aliens are Dangerous'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: It is unfortunate that Stephen Hawking has added his voice to a growing chorus of xenophobia and fear regarding what he terms Aliens. Secondly, as a scientist, he should know better: Any interstellar civilization would possess such technologies that the meager resources of Earth would be unneeded. If you can travel faster than the speed of light, you can manifest what is needed. Period. Sounds like you've got it all figured out. No uncertainties for you. That's neat, to be at that level. Moreover, IF they were hostile- since ETs are already visiting Earth (see www.DisclosureProject.org)- this would have been made crystal clear when we detonated the first atomic weapon in 1945. To date, no place on Earth has been invaded or attacked or colonized. Hawking should refrain from stirring the war-mongering fear pot that attends all things alien. And one might ask: Why would he make such statements, unless he is carrying water for the military-industrial-financial complex which profiteers off of the wars that fear breeds? Steven M. Greer MD April 26, 2010 http://www.disclosureproject.org/response-to-hawking.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Event
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: All kidding aside, he certainly strikes me as having a high degree of awakening. He's all there when you shake his hand and look into his eyes. He's not just going through the motions. We felt we were in the presence of a great soul. He seems so blissful and above the fray. My impression of the man is that he's naturally grounded in a deep wellspring of potential and that he'll continue to blossom and feel exhilarated (his words) by the world's most demanding job, rather than be overwhelmed by it, as so many presidents have been. Rory, Rory, get over here. Someone is honing in on your territory. I know he is your friend. But this is and was your franchise. Protect it. Calling all Rories!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Event
Oh, Crikey. I take it back. Igal Harmon. Yea, he is going to shout it. Love him like a brother. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:05 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Event --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:28 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Event Fine. And how did the interview with Igal Harmelin, aka Igal Moria go ? Does he claim to be enlightened or awaken now ? No, he's pretty modest. Igal modest ? Well, relatively speaking. And why did you want to interview him in the first place ? He wanted to be interviewed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Google -- the curtain from The Wizard Of Oz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Whatever happened to casual conversation? We seem to be in an age of exactitude where everybody so concerned that they may be wrong about something they spend time looking stuff up on Google before they post. Imagine if we were trying to have a conversation around a table in restaurant or bar this way. Everyone would be jumping on their laptop, tablet or smartphone before they said a word. I'm not sure Judy does casual convesations. And you can always count of Turq to do something to incite some challenge if he feels you are making an iota of judgement. So, I think it's pretty difficult to weave through these little minefields.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Event
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:28 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama Event Fine. And how did the interview with Igal Harmelin, aka Igal Moria go ? Does he claim to be enlightened or awaken now ? No, he's pretty modest. No, I'm sure he just shouted shouted about his enlightenment. That's the deal with these interviews. The little that I watched, it is pretty low key. Ex: Yes, I feel more balanced. Yes, the ups and downs don't disturb me as much. Yes, I feel more inner freedom I'm gonna guess that they play out along these lines. Butmaybe I'm mistaken Have to edit the audio to balance levels, then I'll upload and let you know.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN May 1!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: This topic really agitates you doesn't it Tex? As I've said, I understand. I was agitated when I first heard about it myself way back when. However, I didn't put up a steel door and refuse to consider information coming from several sources, Joe, I for one don't care if he had sexual relations or not. I am not unnerved by it, but ...one of whom would really fry your brain if you knew. this type of innuendo is a little weak (Out of respect for her privacy, she will remain anonymous until she chooses to say something on her own.) By the way, your guesses' below are lousy. If you've got something to say, why don't you just say it, instead of saying, if you only knew, if you only knew. Well if you know, tell us! And if you are not going to tell us, then maybe get off the high horse a little, as the silent authority on the matter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: Maybe nobody ever 'caught' him doing anything like that. Joe: Tex, it doesn't make sense to you for the simple reason that you do not want it to make sense. You don't want this to compute since you would short circuit if you allowed yourself to allow this as a possibility. So, Joe, how many minutes did you spend in his direct company alone, in his room? Zero. In fact, I've seen no evidence that you were ever in a room with the guy at all, much less being a skin-boy, door stop. My guess is that you've never been within a thousand feet of the guy, if that. So, your comment makes no sense.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN May 1!
WillyTex willy...@... wrote: So, why would a guy like the Maharishi, who could have women at any time since 1956, who had been celibate for sixty years, go off on a orgy of sex with young women for one year, and then not engage in sexual relations for the next fifty years? I'm not sure if I get the time table, but I think it is a good point. I guess we would have to assume that he had a period of sexual activity, and then turned that expression off? I don't believe it usually works that way, but I guess it could. If it did play out that way, then I guess you have to say, either he was experiementing, or that he realized that this could damage or destroy the franchise, or not sure what else it could be. Any other possibilities?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN May 1!
That is funny. Thanks for sharing that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ditzyklanmail carc...@... wrote: Field of all possibilities http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-yZFbzaWbg From: lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 26 April, 2010 7:57:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN May 1! WillyTex willytex@ . wrote: So, why would a guy like the Maharishi, who could have women at any time since 1956, who had been celibate for sixty years, go off on a orgy of sex with young women for one year, and then not engage in sexual relations for the next fifty years? I'm not sure if I get the time table, but I think it is a good point. I guess we would have to assume that he had a period of sexual activity, and then turned that expression off? I don't believe it usually works that way, but I guess it could. If it did play out that way, then I guess you have to say, either he was experiementing, or that he realized that this could damage or destroy the franchise, or not sure what else it could be. Any other possibilities?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN May 1!
I was a virgin and knew nothing about sex, said 34-year-old Mrs Pearce. He said he loved me and that I was the only one. 'You make my life so good,' he told me. When I asked about his celibacy he said: 'There are exceptions to every rule.' He was a brilliant manipulator. I just couldn't see that he was a dirty old man. We made love regularly. And I don't think I was the only girl. At one stage I thought I was pregnant by him. I have said previously that it really makes no difference to me one way or the other about his sexual escapades. But if he was sexually active for fifteen years or so, and had these women under his spell, and therefore probably got sex whenever, wherever he wanted, how do you not get someone pregnant during this time? And I don't hear about anyone getting an abortion
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN May 1!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: Maybe the women, or most of them, used birth control, and it was just luck with those who didn't? Maybe he was careful to pull out? (Not very dependable, but it reduces the chances.) Or maybe there were abortions that were kept really quiet. Well, he sure didn't get high marks as a lover from those with whom he was said to be having affairs. But maybe he was more sophisticated lover than he is being portrayed. I admit the whole notion of M being a lover strikes me as funny. On the one hand, he he said to be a real bungler in bed. On the other hand he said to be a sly manipulator who is able to get what he wants sexually from these women. The two just seems at odds with one another.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN May 1!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: Who is to say he didn't father someone? I don't know that he did, I'm just asking since you present this as if it's some kind of proof that these things did not happen. I figured this would hit a nerve. To me it's a logical question. To you, it's an indication that I believe it didn't happen. I am just trying to reconcile the various accounts. Maybe he has a love child some where. At some point it usually gets revealed. i.e Jesse Helms. Could it possibly be Tony Nader? He's probably about 10 years too old. Would have to be someone who is about 35-40, I would guess. They happened. Did you witness it first hand? And if so, what's your story? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: I was a virgin and knew nothing about sex, said 34-year-old Mrs Pearce. He said he loved me and that I was the only one. 'You make my life so good,' he told me. When I asked about his celibacy he said: 'There are exceptions to every rule.' He was a brilliant manipulator. I just couldn't see that he was a dirty old man. We made love regularly. And I don't think I was the only girl. At one stage I thought I was pregnant by him. I have said previously that it really makes no difference to me one way or the other about his sexual escapades. But if he was sexually active for fifteen years or so, and had these women under his spell, and therefore probably got sex whenever, wherever he wanted, how do you not get someone pregnant during this time? And I don't hear about anyone getting an abortion
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with Trivedi
He found a seam of gold. I'm sure he can find more and more reasons to keep coming back. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote: Was another large meeting with Mr. Trivedi tonite(Weds). Spoke about culture, spiritual phenomena, discernment and science. Q A. Gave a blessing too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Four Spiritual Healing events 3 free + 1 donation
This reminds me of Yawkey Way outside Fenway Park when I was there last year during the summer. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anatol_zinc anatol_z...@... wrote: Four Spiritual Healing events 3 free + 1 donation Something is in the air! Right now ! For Amma devotees, please note I'm not posting these to distract you from Amma; but perhaps you can be inspired to have more faith in Amma, in yourSelf and God when you see how many are being inspired by the One-Spirit-Self which we all are; thanks for understanding and happy healing ! If we had enough faith in Amma, or ourSelf, or God we would not need anything else; Amma says we should see God in everyone, in everything as She sees God in all of us. 1)FREE ~ Braco the silent healer visits Los Angeles for 3 days of Gazing sessions, April 23-25 http://www.braco.net/?p=348 http://www.braco.net/?p=348 2)FREE Distant Healing Session April 25th read and start the healing process now with your intention ; please note; you do not have to join anything, subscribe to anything or pay anything for this; for info and instructions http://qigongenergyhealing.blogspot.com/ http://qigongenergyhealing.blogspot.com/ 3)DONATION ~ Vedic Society in India; You can donate( as much or as little you can afford) online and complete a form where you may specify any particular purpose or need so that this may be incorporated into the intention of the Yagya for relief of your problem or condition. http://vedicsociety.org/donate/ http://vedicsociety.org/donate/ ; Some info: Number of pundits performing: 18 pundits plus 22 helpers Duration: 5 days Vedas chanted: Sama, Rig, Yajur and Atharva (all 4 Vedas) Date: 24th April - 29th April 2010 4)FREE ~ Dr Parameswaran MD from India http://worldcosmicfoundation.org/success.php http://worldcosmicfoundation.org/success.php Amma Bless All, amarnath
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN May 1!
Edg, as I recall it, it was you who bailed out. As I recall, you made one of your many grandiose declarations, and when someone met the challenge you bailed. Kind of like you did when you were going to sue Shemp because he said something you didn't like. Kind of like, (if I recall correctly) when, you declared, in a boastful tone to the group, that you had just deposed someone in a court case to the tune of $5,000.00 (cost to you) just becacuse you could. Care to provide any documentation of that claim? And then there is the famous Oral Roberts act, where you were going to call yourself home if ten people didn't vouch for your worthliness to the group. They did, and you bailed anyway. And maybe again, I've got it wrong, but I believe you have said that you give yourself license to do these things, for the betterment of the group in stretching their boundries. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Rick, Times may be achanging, but remember that Jerry never answered the questions I sent to him. These guys'll use ya, but they're not going to be guided by you, methinks. Those with power are like those with money -- they think they and only they are the proper custodians of their stuff. Lately I think of the movement like I think about the marijuana debate. TM shouldn't be regulated so that higher-ups can still have their positions of power. TM, as if, should be decriminalized -- not legalized. Tell dem bums to free up the whole thing. Let anyone into the domes, let L.B. talk on campus, let protestors march, etc. But most of all, stop pretending that TM was/is proved or scientific or guaranteed to produce enlightenment. These pretty much 100% incorrect assertions are the reason 99.99% of all of us stopped TM or at least stopped thinking the movement had leaders with any integrity. And, Rick, rub their noses in that latest book about Maharishi's sex life -- there's a litmus test of sorts. If they're still willing to use any form of coercion on you to change the subject of the conversation or be haughty and pissed, then there's your tell. Then ask about their own private lives and how obviously that modeling is odious and deserves to be addressed in public. If morality is not improved by TM -- obviously it isn't -- then they should be willing to say that in public and admit that they are not paragons of any virtue gained by using TM. And say something like this: Mr. Gorbachev tear down this course office. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I have a letter percolating in the back of my brain which I would send to Jerry, Bobby Roth, Keith Wallace, and John Hagelin, addressing ways in which the movement might be transformed and resuscitated, if conservative forces within it would allow. If I write it, I'll post it here and we can all hash it out together before I send it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Jarvis Coming St. Paul, MN May 1!
Oh this is precious: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: yifuxero I didn't chicken out; I saw that I would get nowhere and saved myself the shame of trying to get an old dog to admit to his tricks knowing full well that that simply wouldn't happen. Oh this is precious. This is what is called in the business, being 'yeller You issued a challenge. The challenge was met. Now, YOU are being the courageous one by backing down? Edg, please, please don't insult us to this extent. Do you actually want me to call him and have at him with the dark vibe he deserves for being a part of such a low integrity organization and his continuing support of it? I will, but you'll warn him to not pick up the phone, right? He could've answered medoesn't do email -- what a fucking lame assed excuse. Edg, you are just ramping up the name calling to try to throw us off the trail. Ain't gonna work. You issued a challenge along certain lines. It was met. You, YOU were the one who couldn't be stand up enough to follow through. It's not my job to prove him wrong, but it sure is his job to prove himself a person of integrity by at least admitting that the issues that he's so ignored for 30 fucking years actually matter and should be handled. This isn't about appeasing me, it's about answering to whole generations of the faithful about the vile shit the movement has hidden at any cost from us. Edg, we can take care of ourselves. We don't need Uncle Edg as our self appointed protector. Just own up to your own committments. That's a great start. And, and, and now only now he's coming back at us? Fuck that shit! Poor Edg. Just coming apart at the seams, cause someones calling him on his bluster. Give him a crown and a robe and let him join the power mongers openly instead of letting himself be schlepped around by the movement in some desperate and obvious ploy to re-ignite a market they killed long long ago. By resorting to the using of a favorite puppet of Maharishi they've found at the back of the closet and dusted off for us, what more proof do we need of the cynical approach the TMO is taking to their tottering and shaky about-to-be-most-sincerely-dead movement? I'm fucking pissed -- I had a wonderful movement, and a wonderful guru, and it was all a sham for money and I was a complete fool. Pissed at myself, firstly, yes, but only a titch less pissed at the TMO and Jerry too. Let's see Jerry start his lectures with explaining all the hijinks and the actual cash flows to Girish and how he can turn a blind eye to the immorality of B and H as they maraud the marriages. Edg you will always raise the bar of what amends need to be made. Just make some kind of peace with yourself. And you, yifuxero, explain yourself for why you're trying to protect this old codger. Doesn't seem like the 5 - 8 years concepts fulfilled itself for you, or are you able to hover and I missed that somehow? And who the fuck lives in St. Paul that he has to go up there instead of the ONE PLACE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD WHERE HE'S GOT A BUILT-IN AUDIENCE? Even Charlie did lectures in Iowa City. Seems either stupid or cowardly and probably is both. Same deal with Mother Divine and Purusha not being in FF -- it's fucking classism and a lording over the faithful to snub the one town that made their lifestyle possible. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: rightbut he rarely answers by mail. (re: the letter you sent to him). He offered you to call him on the phone but you chickened out. But don't get me wrong, that's not a criticism of you. He can be a fast talker, very persuasive but duped by some of the TM-related fantasies; and tends to comandeer the conversation. Then, coupled with a huge amount of Shakti, the chance that the type of dynamic and (sometimes) constructive dialog that takes place on this Forum will occur is unlikely. However, such pov's are consistent with the latest research into what people think may or should be reasonable arguments. The fact is, established pov's backed by emotional investments will almost always trump pure reason. As a typical example, try reasoning with a Mormon TB. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Rick, Times may be achanging, but remember that Jerry never answered the questions I sent to him. These guys'll use ya, but they're not going to be guided by you, methinks. Those with power are like those with money -- they think they and only they are the proper custodians of their stuff. Lately I think of the movement like I think about the marijuana debate. TM shouldn't be regulated so that higher-ups can still have their positions of power. TM, as if, should be decriminalized -- not legalized. Tell dem bums to free up the whole thing. Let anyone into the domes, let L.B. talk on campus, let protestors march, etc. But most of all, stop pretending that
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
I kind of hope this thing doesn't peter out for your sake Edg. You seem to thrive on this sort of thing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event. That's probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very real religion -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: The bigger volcano is only 8 miles from the one that is erupting. So it would not be unusual at all for it to start up. Living around volcanos one learns a bit about them. They could be doing damage control too as not to alarm the public but if it does explode with a boom then damage control may no longer be possible. authfriend wrote: From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site: A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized. Not sure who/what minimized its impact. But there's nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least. (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.) OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting discussion of various points): http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/04/changes_in_the_eruption_at_eyj.php http://tinyurl.com/y3yjj8c A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus: I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start erupting soon. When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano. http://www.jonfr.com/?p=3874 Here's a Hekla volcanocam: http://www.ruv.is/hekla BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four different audio clips: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2257 VIDEO BONUS: Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1395588323904ref=mf --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Gaia is really pissed now as Breaking News on MSNBC has the second volcano, the one with the pronounceable name Hekla, has begun erupting. If this is the one they are were worried on then all bets are off.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:13 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event. That's probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very real religion -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest? I nominate Nabby. Maybe Edg can do a version of his, get ten people to vouch for him sort of thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Planes V volcano
That's really neat. Although I could look it up, can you tell us again, what keeps the earth's core continually hot, as in, why hasn't it cooled down already? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Too lazy to look it up, but I did read that Katla is able to be almost a world killer -- but that was about almost killing all life on Earth -- the lesser damage of killing humanity due to mass starvation is a much more possible result out of a Katla event. Here's a concept that most folks really don't have a handle on: the thinness of the Earth's crust. How thin? Well the Earth's diameter is about 8,000 miles, and the crust is at most 50 miles thick and under the oceans it's only about five to ten miles thick. About a third of one percent of the diameter of the Earth. Sounds like a lot of rock between us and the hot interior, right? Well it is -- we're not boiling, right?, but though rock has great insulating properties, the crust's thinness is very very much thinner than you might expect -- relatively speaking, and it is this I wish to underline -- with a metaphor that packs a punch for me. Consider this: if the Earth were the size of a billiard ball, if one touches the ball where there is ocean, it would feel only barely moist to the touch. And if you breathed upon it -- fogged it as if to clean your eyeglasses -- then that layer of water you've put upon the ball would be one of Earth's deepest oceans. See? The oceans are about five miles deep, and so is the crust under the oceansthat's about 1/1000th of the Earth's diameter. The crust is thinner than an egg shell and the inside of the egg is up to about 10,000 F degreeshotter than the surface of the sun. There's your protection that volcanoes so easily pierce. Feeling a bit more at risk? My job is done here. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: That second volcano is a mofo and if it blows like it has blown before, whew we ain't seen nothing yet.could be a world crushing event. The volcano that was incorrectly reported to have erupted was Hekla. The big mofo is Katla. It blows about twice a century, so I guess the world must have been crushed on a pretty regular basis. That's probably all it would take to precipitate the fears about 2012 into a very real religion Not. It's unlikely to be a big threat anywhere but in Iceland. If it spews a lot of ash and the wind is right, that could be a problem elsewhere, but not a world- crushing one. -- who will spring to the fore to be its high priest? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: The bigger volcano is only 8 miles from the one that is erupting. So it would not be unusual at all for it to start up. Living around volcanos one learns a bit about them. They could be doing damage control too as not to alarm the public but if it does explode with a boom then damage control may no longer be possible. authfriend wrote: From the main volcano story on the MSNBC Web site: A plume of smoke from a second Icelandic volcano briefly caused concern Monday but its impact was quickly minimized. Not sure who/what minimized its impact. But there's nothing on MSNBC cable, CNN, or Yahoo News, so this looks like it may have been a flash in the pan, for now at least. (Hekla *is* the one they're worried about, BTW.) OK, the Eruptions blog on ScienceBlogs says it was a false alarm (see the comments for updates and very interesting discussion of various points): http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/04/changes_in_the_eruption_at_eyj.php http://tinyurl.com/y3yjj8c A post on an Icelandic blog, saying it's bogus: I have been seeing a lot of false reports in english about Hekla volcano having started erupting. This reports are false. Currently there is no eruption in Hekla volcano. At the moment Hekla volcano is quiet and shows no signs of eruption, or that it is going to start erupting soon. When Hekla volcano starts erupting there is a period of earthquake swarms that come from Hekla volcano. Currently there are no earthquakes in Hekla volcano. http://www.jonfr.com/?p=3874 Here's a Hekla volcanocam: http://www.ruv.is/hekla BONUS: More than you ever wanted to know about how to pronounce the name of the erupting volcano, with four different audio clips: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2257 VIDEO BONUS: Close-up view of the eruption in daylight, showing the ash cloud, from a helicopter tour:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Volcanic ash keeps flights across Europe grounded.....
Yea, I understand the sentiment. Kind of like the chick in the egg. We deplete one set of resources, and we have to find something new, hopefully more efficient. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodle...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: It's like going back in time a century, the high price of oil keeps most cars off the road so us cyclists are having a super time, and on a straw poll of folks I bumped into in cafes and walking the street EVERYONE wants air travel banned permanently as it's *so* nice here at the moment. Likely except when THEY want the convenience. This strikes me as pretty stupid and elitist. Well pardon us for thinking the world would be a better place without so much pollution and noise. The proof is right here right now. Mind you, I'm sure that when all the people I know who are stranded abroad get back the poll might look a *bit* different. If they get back that is... Why don't they, and you stop using your computer. Because I'd hate to deprive you of all my wit and wisdom [ahem]. Are you aware of how much energy is consumed with one search. Why are you even posting? You are causing your own environmental damage every time you click, aren't you? Yeah, one search is about the same as going on a long haul flight. Lucky I can't use my computer at 40,000 feet, the world wouldn't stand a chance! Teasing aside, I stand by my point, current economic growth is unsustainable due to peak-oil and overpopulation etc. So we are going to have to scale it all back very soon anyway. Why not start with clean air? Try some and see, it's real nice stuff.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gas Pump Blues
What I can't figure out is, who would really want to talk about themselves like this? It's kind of like talking about your sex life. It's sort of personal thing. Sometimes these types of experiences come up in conversations here, but usually as side bar, not the main dish. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Gotta agree. I love the concept of the project, but I've been bored senseless by the people themselves, for almost exactly the reasons tartbrain puts into words so well below. As for the Yahoo discussion group, way into their heads is too kind. One visit was enough. I can't see most people on the street viewing these interviews and seeing that much difference between Buddhas at the Gas Pump and Bubba at the Gas Pump. That said, I look forward to other interviews, in the hope that one or more of them will stand out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: I started to watch the 4 videos on you tube -- an then sampled the audios on the blog -- listening to segments of about 10 contributors. While all nice people, there was not much compelling material in the hour of so I listened. Certainly there could be great gems hidden in the material I passed over. But I got bored with most. Perhaps an unfair parallel, but the energy, tone, insights, vibrancy, love for the universe, cascading love for others was not there. It was as if I could have been listening to a show on people who found Jesus. They may have had and are having a transformational experience. But its not apparent how it has really affected their lives in deep and profound ways. I came away thinking, I wouldn't spend much time on what ever they are doing -- the value is not manifesting in their lives. Similar to my impressions of those testifying for Jesus. They may be having profound experiences -- being he center of the universe and all. These experiences may actually be real -- though there is a large distance in establishing that -- for themselves and for any listeners. Not that they have to prove anything. But I have friends who experienced the same with psychedelics -- center of the universe, egoless states and all. I am not sure that was real, not sure that it wasn't. But they did not do much with the experience. It may have shifted them in good ways. The experienced of egolessness is profound and can be lasting. But it was not transformational in the sense of some blazing persons I know or have been with. But these Pump people, have little of the -- and this is hard to articulate -- vibrancy of life, humor, quickness of mind, flowing insights, shakti, glow, spontenaity that others I know, have seen, have. For the latter, I am inspired by them to obtain what they have. From the Pump people, I have no aspiration to obtain what they have -- from what I have heard thus far. And these things I listed are outer things, perhaps superficial, and meaningless with regards to inner states. however, I know the THING -- it may be weak and transitory -- but I think we all know the clarity, energy, clearness that can come from that THING. and I have seen the THING ripely manifest in others. And I don't see it much in these people. And the yahoo group -- I read a 20 or so posts. The posters are way into their heads -- it would appear from their posts. Dry expositions. While a small sample, i don't see the energy, vibrancy, life surging from their words.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gas Pump Blues
I guess you've got something about Saturday nights, Richard. I am guessing that you must have sensitive about it in junior high school, and not having plans on that night. Fortunately, Richard we are at least, chrnologically past that point in our lives, and we may, or may not have plans on Saturday night, and that's just plain, alright. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: lurker: Then again, I don't have time to do a lot of speculative exploring... Well, you seem to have had time to post to FFL on Saturday night! LOL!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Look on the bright side.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13 meowthirt...@... wrote: Cities promote monkey mind. Little itty bitty towns have peace and bliss that promotes serenity. My opinion. Oh yea. This is definitely the case. How one raises kids etc. has nothing to do with it. Itty bitty towns are just magical, idyllic, paradise - almost entirely devoid of problems. (?)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gas Pump Blues
Dude, you've got more big words here than we've heard in a long time. I pretty much bailed after the first sentence. But based on what seems to be your very dry and academic assessment, I can see where these accounts would have been right up your alley.. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20...@... wrote: For more than two weeks I have repeatedly and closely listened to the BATGAP episodes via iTunes downloads via a portable iPod. The BATGAP episodes are a fascinating record of the personal histories and subjective perspectives of persons who have courage to publicly discuss permanently established positive shifts in awareness. Here-to-fore, an individual's declaration of a permanent shift in awareness called into question the validity of the experience. Rick Archer and the BATGAP interviewees promote egalitarian principles of experience and expression of higher states of awareness. BATGAP is a vehicle for positive cultural advancement by diminishing the influence of exploitive individuals and hierarchical institutions that for control purposes employ excessively exclusive principles of experience and expression by default and discourage members' advancement. -Mainstream --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: And the yahoo group -- I read a 20 or so posts. The posters are way into their heads -- it would appear from their posts. Dry expositions. While a small sample, i don't see the energy, vibrancy, life surging from their words. Hard to strike gold twice. FFL with all it's problems has some good edg (edge) and gets into some interesting discussions. But I think you've pretty well nailed this Buddha at the Gas Pump. And those interviews-I've only listened to the Foster's piece, but there wasn't much there to make me want to push on. Then again, I don't have time to do a lot of speculative exploring.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shroud of Turin Report (or, When the Fans Hit the Sheet)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: I find a vibrant silence growing within, I feel more connected to people and things, my heart is full, and then 2) life is an adventure, wonderful things happen that I don't plan or force to happen, through a lot of unplanned detours and these unexpected events and challenges have left my life far richer ... and I have mingled with the masses, flowed with the crowd, and felt enlivened to be part of this magnificent whole. Nice to hear what I experience mirrored by another. On the other hand, I don't really care to pass judgment on the path others have chosen. Wouldn't that sort of imply some lingering resentment, or even some elitist sentiment?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Volcanic ash keeps flights across Europe grounded.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodle...@... wrote: It's like going back in time a century, the high price of oil keeps most cars off the road so us cyclists are having a super time, and on a straw poll of folks I bumped into in cafes and walking the street EVERYONE wants air travel banned permanently as it's *so* nice here at the moment. Likely except when THEY want the convenience. This strikes me as pretty stupid and elitist. Why don't they, and you stop using your computer. Are you aware of how much energy is consumed with one search. Why are you even posting? You are causing your own environmental damage every time you click, aren't you?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gas Pump Blues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: And the yahoo group -- I read a 20 or so posts. The posters are way into their heads -- it would appear from their posts. Dry expositions. While a small sample, i don't see the energy, vibrancy, life surging from their words. Hard to strike gold twice. FFL with all it's problems has some good edg (edge) and gets into some interesting discussions. But I think you've pretty well nailed this Buddha at the Gas Pump. And those interviews-I've only listened to the Foster's piece, but there wasn't much there to make me want to push on. Then again, I don't have time to do a lot of speculative exploring.
[FairfieldLife] Re: maharishi channel
Looks like Tony Nader gave a 1 hr. plus talk on March 23. I can't seem to access the channel? Can anybody provide a link? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin vedamer...@... wrote: maharishi channel http://www.maharishichannel.in/SCHEDULE/index.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is that buzzing?
I believe it is called a pinealgasm, and occurs when the pineal gland begins to pleasure itself. The advice is pretty simple. When the pineal gland begins to pleasure itself, we do not mind. We take it as it comes. It is a normal, natural process. The pinealgasm may get weaker or stronger, fainter or clearer. But in every case we just take it as it comes, neither anticipating or resisting the sensation. I believe that's what it says to do. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ultrarishi no_re...@... wrote: I have a friend who is a meditator and a fellow classmate in my thrice weekly yoga class. She has developed a buzzing sensation in what we would consider the third eye area. It comes up during yoga class when doing asanas. It comes up when she hears chanting. And, it comes up when she sits down to meditate and it stays present pretty much the whole time. It's not uncomfortable and she manages quite well with it. It goes away when she is not doing any spiritual practice, that is to say, secular activities do not seem to bring this on. She got concerned about it 6 months ago and saw a neurologist who ran a battery of test, but medically she checks out fine. Even her MRI was fine. Any thoughts on this, good people?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wikileaks - Threat to national security?
Sort of puts a real damper on things. Life so casually snuffed out. And with little evidence of a threat. Of course those guys who were so anxious to pull the trigger will have to live with this public record. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodle...@... wrote: A secret video showing US air crew falsely claiming to have encountered a firefight in Baghdad and then laughing at the dead after launching an air strike that killed a dozen people, including two Iraqis working for Reuters news agency, was revealed by Wikileaks today. The footage of the July 2007 attack was made public in a move that will further anger the Pentagon, which has drawn up a report identifying the whistleblower website as a threat to national security. The US defence department was embarrassed when that confidential report appeared on the Wikileaks site last month alongside a slew of military documents. The release of the video from Baghdad also comes shortly after the US military admitted that its special forces attempted to cover up the killings of three Afghan women in a raid in February by digging the bullets out of their bodies. The newly released video of the Baghdad attacks was recorded on one of two Apache helicopters hunting for insurgents on 12 July 2007. Among the dead were a 22-year-old Reuters photographer, Namir Noor-Eldeen, and his driver, Saeed Chmagh, 40. The Pentagon blocked an attempt by Reuters to obtain the video through a freedom of information request. Wikileaks director Julian Assange said his organisation had to break through encryption by the military to view it. Full story and video: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/05/wikileaks-us-army-iraq-attack
[FairfieldLife] Re: Apsara or Dakini?
Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: Every time someone takes her or others like her up on crap like this, PT Barnum is rolling in his grave, laughing his ass off. I guess she bailed already. Going through the post sequentially, I'm not seeing anything from her. Could this be a sign of the rising Age of Enlightenment? People getting called on their BS early on in the game?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris and Michael Shermer debate Deepak and Jean Houston
Thanks. I've enjoyed it very much as well. Just for the record, I also find it of little benefit to dwell on the possiblity of past or future lifetimes. It's nothing I think about except when I try to make sense of the big picture. Otherwise it's just the here and now that I keep my attention. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: With that 'tude, I somehow suspect that I'll approach the moment of my own death more easily than some who are beset with guilt over all the things they did wrong, or who are concerned with going to Hell or looking forward to going to Heaven. *Or* looking for- ward to the next incarnation. All of those concerns are either past or future, and the business of spiritual development seems to me to be all about Here And Now. Thanks for all the great raps, Lurk. It's been a real pleasure, and a real change from the normal level of discussion here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris and Michael Shermer debate Deepak and Jean Houston
Thanks for the references Tex. Strip away the deaming parts, and it's nearly a perfect post! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: It WOULD be a shock, although a pretty short one, if if all fades to black at the end... TurquoiseB: Tibetan rebirth cycle matches with my subjective memories of past lives and the transit through the Bardo... So, Turq is a 'TB' (True Believer). Upon death, the individual soul-monad rests in the Tibetan Heaven, the Bardo state, and then after a little while, gets re-born in another human body. The purpose of life is to unite the self with the Self, and to attain Unity Consciousness, a state of enlightened awareness, which gives life meaning. In Turq's religion, God is Karma, a religion Turq read about in a book and/or a spiritual cult guy told him about it. Just speaking for myself, I'm glad Turq finally came out of denial and defined his own spiritual path! Read more: 'The Tibetan Book of the Dead' The Great Liberation by Hearing in the Intermediate States By Guru Padmasambhava http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_Buddhism 'Surfing the Himalayas' A Spiritual Adventure By Frederick Lenz St. Martin's Griffin, 1996 http://tinyurl.com/y9c6c8n 'A Separate Reality' Further Teachings of Don Juan by Carlos Casteneda Pocket Books, 1973 http://tinyurl.com/ybfh4ym As I suggested earlier, I don't worry about it terribly much. If fade to black turns out to be the reality, what will be there left of me to notice? My belief in reincarnation and the Tibetan rebirth cycle matches with my subjective memories of past lives and the transit through the Bardo in previous life-death-rebirth cycles, but that could just be imagination AFAIK. The issue in the Tibetan forms of Buddhism that I admire -- as, interestingly, the issue in forms of shamanism or occultism such as those popularized by Carlos Castaneda -- is remarkably pragmatic and liberating IMO. They don't believe that much, if any, thought needs to be given to future lives or what happens after we did. The only thing that matters is this life and what happens *before* we die -- right here, right Now. The only measure of one's evolution or score in terms of karma is (in their view) one's state of attention right here, right Now. How am I doing karmically is literally the same question as What is my current state of attention? In the Tibetan model, based on a belief in rein- carnation, what matters is how much awareness and clarity and compassion one can bring to the moment of one's death. In their view, the more clarity of awareness one brings with them to the Bardo can determine the easiness or uneasiness of that transition, and help determine the nature of the next birth, and how much awareness one gets to start with in it. Interestingly enough, in Yaqui shamanic traditions some of the teachers I've met admit that there might be such a thing as reincarnation, but they choose to never dwell on it or consider it because in their system it is irrelevant. Their idea of a goal in life is the cultivation of awareness (or in their model, personal power) to as great a level as possible, given the length of one's life- time. What happens after that is in their view not relevant; it's a Here And Now kinda study. I resonate with this. While I accept the likelihood of the multi-lifetime model, I don't particularly count on it. Like the Tibetans and like the shamans, my score in this life depends on the state of atten- tion I can wear during my life, not on anything that happens after it. I think this is a preferable 'tude to kicking back and assuming that one has time to work things out in future incarnations if one does not get them handled in this one. With that 'tude, I somehow suspect that I'll approach the moment of my own death more easily than some who are beset with guilt over all the things they did wrong, or who are concerned with going to Hell or looking forward to going to Heaven. *Or* looking for- ward to the next incarnation. All of those concerns are either past or future, and the business of spiritual development seems to me to be all about Here And Now. Thanks for all the great raps, Lurk. It's been a real pleasure, and a real change from the normal level of discussion here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self Supporting Ontological Identities - was Deepak Chopra failed etc
Thanks for the feeback. I think you're right about the tendency to pick up on some buzz words and insert them into how we describe things. But like you, I have tried to adopt a more Quaker approach to my everyday languaage, and try to stick to basic terms, even if my vocabulary might have a fancier, more impressive word. I like that idea of silence vs. samadhi. That is pretty much just what I am talking about in this regard. Bottom line: I think the experiences I've mentioned could be better described without the sciencey terms. Another good point. I often forget that the rather extrodinary times we live in could simply be attributed to the the new technoloogies, and less to do with another of rising to a higher vibrational level agenda. So, I appreciate that reminder. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: I've got to figure out what this refinement of experience that seems to grow in my life is all about. I like the idea of saying, this is cool, I am operating at a more quantum level of consciousness, where I am a little more aware of what I perceive to be the story behind the story. Just as a question, what is wrong with referring to the same phenomenon as, This is cool...I am becoming more and more aware of what is? That is actually more accurate, IMO, and doesn't have to borrow terms that may have nothing to do with what is going on. You are becoming more aware of things that have always been going on -- this statement covers refined perception, and it also covers enlightenment itself. I prefer plain words to explain plain experiences. Dressing the experiences up with buzzwords to make them sound more sciency just doesn't float my boat. I can see how some might prefer them, especially if they are trying to *sell* the experiences to others, but I'm not. I'm just describing my experiences, and trying to be as accurate about it as possible. So I prefer the Quaker approach -- plain. Putting more clothes on an already cool experience doesn't make it cooler; it actually detracts. And I'd like to figure out what it is that seems to be pushing me towards greater awareness about things. Since I'm rapping about language (essentially), look at the way you phrased that, Lurk. Something is IYO pushing you towards greater awareness. I have also experienced expanding awareness, but I would never be tempted to use language that implied that the cause of this came from outside myself, or that anything even had the *ability* to push me towards it. For me it's just the natural process of becoming more aware of What Already Is. *None* of these exper- iences of heightened or expanded awareness have ever been new. They -- including enlightenment experiences -- were merely heightened perception of things that had always been going on. So I would tend to describe them using that language, and not dress them up with buzzwords. For me, the word silence works better than the word samadhi to describe the subjective experience of deep transcendence. It reaches more people, and gives them more of an ability to conceive of and identify with that experience than a term borrowed from a dead language that requires a definition that has been supplied by someone else. Maybe it's the tech writer in me :-), but I think that plain is more user-friendly. Maybe I am just mood making, but my real life experience doesn't suggest this. I like the comparison between quantum phenomena and the growth of awareness. It works for me, but that's just me. No problemo. Plain works better for me. I guess that my only point in all of this is that quantum would never have occurred to you as a metaphor with which to describe your experiences of growing awareness unless someone had not planted that term *in* your awareness. It is a supplied buzzword, like samadhi, and IMO more exclusionary than inclusive. In my experience in the spiritual smorgasbord, traditions that are buzzword-heavy (be it Sanskrit terms or those borrowed from science) tend *also* to be a bit self- importance heavy. That is, the spiel presented to the followers of the tradition is how *important* these buzzword-heavy experiences are, and thus how *important* that makes *them*. By contrast, the teachers and traditions I've encountered that use plain, ordinary, everyday words to describe plain, ordinary, everyday experiences of growing awareness and enlightenment tend to *not* try to develop a feeling of specialness in their students. They emphasize the ordinariness of the experiences, and the fact that they are available to everyone. In other words, my suspicion is that the use of high- fallutin' language to describe the ordinary may be a function of the desire of some people to be perceived as high-fallutin'. I could be wrong about this, of course, but that's how
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris and Michael Shermer debate Deepak and Jean Houston
Thanks for the feedback --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: My idea of the universe is an enormous, eternal operating system. It was never created, and it never ends, thus there is no need to postulate a creator. It just is. I see no need to postulate an intelligence behind the functioning of the operating system because *none is necessary to describe its actions*. They would carry on just as effectively *without* any intelligence behind them. Thus, using Occam's Razor, why clutter up an already-elegant system with some made-up intelligence interfering with it and running it. This idea of an operating system. Has there ever been an opeating system without someone, or something creating it. Or can it just spring up on its own? The problem with your question, Lurk (as I mentioned before) is the assumption that it sprung up. Humans have a tough time with the concept of eternality.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris and Michael Shermer debate Deepak and Jean Houston
Okay, thanks for elaborating on that. I follow along pretty well, and see the point you are trying to make. Apart from this consideration, however, when you introduce karma into the equation, then I think things get more personal. Like, you die. You are reborn. You have a period of reflection in between. (my notion only) You have your good and bad actions which now need to be balanced back on the earthly plane. From some of things I 've read, mostly from Rudolf Steiner, there is a pretty elaborate, yet straight forward protocal. (and by the way, he does not bring up the idea of God in describing this work out) But I am not sure how the notion of karma, and the resolution of our karma gets balanced without the intervention of some kind of higher organzizing power, divine or otherwise. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Thanks for the feedback Thanks for perceiving it *as* feedback, and nothing more. One of the points I was trying to make about quantum physicists talking about God or astrophys- icists merely *assuming* that the universe had a starting point or a moment of creation is what I'd term the persistence of early conditioning. LONG before any of these people were taught math and the tents of science, they were taught that an all-powerful interfering being named God existed. Is there any question that they would hold to such beliefs while developing theories about the nature of the universe, and thus consciously or unconsciously color their theories with such beliefs? They were also taught just by dealing with birth and death in humans and other life forms that such things seem inevitable. Is there any question that they would then think As below, so above, and believe that the universe had a starting point (the moment of creation or the Big Bang)? I think it would be interesting to see what a scientist who had been raised with *zero* exposure to teachings about a sentient God or about the *assumability* of a universe that (like humans) was born and thus someday must die would come up with. But that is not easily accomplished. Einstein made comments about God during his lifetime, even though his newly-discovered letters indicate that he was more consistently in the atheist camp than in the God camp. Nevertheless, God freaks continue to portray the man who said in a letter to philosopher Erik Gutkind, The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish as a fellow believer in God. My grandfather, who worked with Einstein, described him to my father as someone who was willing to chuck *any* idea out the window the moment its usefulness ended. Even his own. Being a thoughtful man, I am sure that he examined both sides of the Is there a God question all his life. But he seems to have settled firmly in the No camp. *Especially* with regard to the idea that God, if one existed, could interfere with or affect the world. He stated several times that he did not believe this. IMO that may have freed him to come up with concepts that a person who could never get *past* early conditioning that taught him that *of course* there is a God, and *of course* He can do whatever he wants could not. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: My idea of the universe is an enormous, eternal operating system. It was never created, and it never ends, thus there is no need to postulate a creator. It just is. I see no need to postulate an intelligence behind the functioning of the operating system because *none is necessary to describe its actions*. They would carry on just as effectively *without* any intelligence behind them. Thus, using Occam's Razor, why clutter up an already-elegant system with some made-up intelligence interfering with it and running it. This idea of an operating system. Has there ever been an opeating system without someone, or something creating it. Or can it just spring up on its own? The problem with your question, Lurk (as I mentioned before) is the assumption that it sprung up. Humans have a tough time with the concept of eternality.
