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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Barry, You're raising a different issue. Personally, I don't have any problems with women becoming priests, bishops, or leaders of a spiritual movement. But there are churches in the US, particularly the Catholic church, that are entrenched in tradition for having men only as priests and leaders. It will take some time to change this attitude. We may not see it in our life time. But there are a few Christian churches who have stepped forward to ordain women as priests. The Anglican Church in some places has allowed women to be ordained as priests, bishops and deacons. If men in that church can let go of the 'men only' rule then men in any religion can do the same. Apparently, the males seem to want to be able to sport these cool headgear and robes exclusively in most religions at the moment. This head piece easily rivals the rajas'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Share, IMO the church is saying that all women have a choice. They can have sex and children which is perfectly acceptable and human. Or be a virgin like Mary which is acceptable as well if that is their preference. What they are NOT free to do is become priests, and help to lead a spiritual movement. It's just like Maharishi's organization. John doesn't see the issue because he's as much of a male chauvinist pig as he is a religious nut.
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John, in some wise traditions, sex isn't just for producing progeny. It's also
for pleasure and healing and even becoming realized. Go figger!
From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children
Share,
IMO the church is saying that all women have a choice. They can have sex and
children which is perfectly acceptable and human. Or be a virgin like Mary
which is acceptable as well if that is their preference.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
John, basically the Church has placed at the pinnacle of worship, a woman who
became a mother without having sex. I don't think the message is very subtle!
From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children
Share,
From what I've seen, Catholic women are having sex and children. So, what's
wrong with that?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
John, imo the problem with the Virgin Mary is that by being both a virgin and a
mother, she is used to denigrate feminine sexuality. Not healthy, to say the
least.
A cool book I read about Mary stated that she and her parents were Essenes.
From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children
Share,
We should all keep a close eye on what Pope Francis is saying these days. Some
reporters have stated that Pope Francis believes the Virgin Mary is equal to
God and that Jesus has been demoted. If true, that would really shake all of
the Christian Churches.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Richard and John, imo, what we're seeing now is patriarchal spirituality in its
death throes and the re emergence of the feminine divine as co creator.
Plus which there may have been another Mary, one who was a prostitute. Or maybe
these various Marys, virgin, wife and prostitute are aspects of the collective
psyche.
From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children
On 11/13/2014 1:43 AM, jr_esq@...[FairfieldLife] wrote:
This idea is similar to the plot in the Da Vinci Codenovel.
For nearly 2,000 years, MaryMagdalene was believed to be aprostitute who
repented and became a disciple of Jesus, but, thetruth about her is finally
emerging. She was almost certainlynot a prostitute, but a wealthy woman whose
support helped earlyChristianity to survive.
Mary Magdalene could have been Jesus' concubine or even hiswife. The Bible
doesn't say what her realtionship was with Jesusexcept that she was a devoted
follower and supporter. The early Gnostic Gospelshave no hesitation describing
the relationship between MaryMagdalene and Jesus.
The death of Jesus could have been a plot todeceive the authorities. Maybe it
was a robber that was hung onthe cross and maybe Jesus escaped with Mary to go
live inFrance. Go figure.
Read more:
'Venus in Sackcloth'
by Marjorie Malvern
Penguin, 1995
That leaves the people to ask: who were the descendantsof Jesus and Mary, and
where are they now?
Also, the involvement of Mary Magdalene as co-messiahwould completely change
the present Christian theology. As such, I believe the orthodoxy would
completely rejectthe validity of the manuscript.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,s3raphita@... wrote :
Mary Magdalene was aco-messiah, the wife of Jesus and the motherof his
children, according to a translation ofan ancient manuscript.
http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b
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Re The Church has placed at the pinnacle of worship, a woman who became a mother without having sex. I don't think the message is very subtle!: On 11/13/2014 9:44 PM, s3raphita wrote: Nice one Share! /Just for the record, which Mary are we talking about? Maybe it's time to review the names mentioned in the NT:// // //Mary the mother of Jesus, was the child of Jewish parents Joachim and Anne and was born in Sepphoris in Galilee. She was born around 18 or 20 BCE and during her childhood she lived in Nazareth, where she became engaged to a carpenter by the name of Joseph. / ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, basically the Church has placed at the pinnacle of worship, a woman who became a mother without having sex. I don't think the message is very subtle! *From:* jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:55 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children Share, From what I've seen, Catholic women are having sex and children. So, what's wrong with that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, imo the problem with the Virgin Mary is that by being both a virgin and a mother, she is used to denigrate feminine sexuality. Not healthy, to say the least. A cool book I read about Mary stated that she and her parents were Essenes. *From:* jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:11 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children Share, We should all keep a close eye on what Pope Francis is saying these days. Some reporters have stated that Pope Francis believes the Virgin Mary is equal to God and that Jesus has been demoted. If true, that would really shake all of the Christian Churches. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard and John, imo, what we're seeing now is patriarchal spirituality in its death throes and the re emergence of the feminine divine as co creator. Plus which there may have been another Mary, one who was a prostitute. Or maybe these various Marys, virgin, wife and prostitute are aspects of the collective psyche. *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:13 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children On 11/13/2014 1:43 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: This idea is similar to the plot in the Da Vinci Code novel. / For nearly 2,000 years, Mary Magdalene// was believed to be a prostitute who repented and became a disciple of Jesus, but, the truth about her is finally emerging. She was almost certainly not a prostitute, but a wealthy woman whose support helped early Christianity to survive. Mary Magdalene could have been Jesus' concubine or even his wife. The Bible doesn't say what her realtionship was with Jesus except that she was a devoted follower and supporter. ///The early Gnostic Gospels have no hesitation describing the relationship between Mary Magdalene and Jesus. /The death of Jesus could have been a plot to deceive the authorities. Maybe it was a robber that was hung on the cross and maybe Jesus escaped with Mary to go live in France. Go figure. Read more: /'Venus in Sackcloth' by Marjorie Malvern Penguin, 1995 That leaves the people to ask: who were the descendants of Jesus and Mary, and where are they now? Also, the involvement of Mary Magdalene as co-messiah would completely change the present Christian theology. As such, I believe the orthodoxy would completely reject the validity of the manuscript. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote : Mary Magdalene was a co-messiah, the wife of Jesus and the mother of his children, according to a translation of an ancient manuscript. http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b
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Share, If you believe that path suits you, nobody is stopping you from doing so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, in some wise traditions, sex isn't just for producing progeny. It's also for pleasure and healing and even becoming realized. Go figger! From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children Share, IMO the church is saying that all women have a choice. They can have sex and children which is perfectly acceptable and human. Or be a virgin like Mary which is acceptable as well if that is their preference. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, basically the Church has placed at the pinnacle of worship, a woman who became a mother without having sex. I don't think the message is very subtle! From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children Share, From what I've seen, Catholic women are having sex and children. So, what's wrong with that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, imo the problem with the Virgin Mary is that by being both a virgin and a mother, she is used to denigrate feminine sexuality. Not healthy, to say the least. A cool book I read about Mary stated that she and her parents were Essenes. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children Share, We should all keep a close eye on what Pope Francis is saying these days. Some reporters have stated that Pope Francis believes the Virgin Mary is equal to God and that Jesus has been demoted. If true, that would really shake all of the Christian Churches. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard and John, imo, what we're seeing now is patriarchal spirituality in its death throes and the re emergence of the feminine divine as co creator. Plus which there may have been another Mary, one who was a prostitute. Or maybe these various Marys, virgin, wife and prostitute are aspects of the collective psyche. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children On 11/13/2014 1:43 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: This idea is similar to the plot in the Da Vinci Code novel. For nearly 2,000 years, Mary Magdalene was believed to be a prostitute who repented and became a disciple of Jesus, but, the truth about her is finally emerging. She was almost certainly not a prostitute, but a wealthy woman whose support helped early Christianity to survive. Mary Magdalene could have been Jesus' concubine or even his wife. The Bible doesn't say what her realtionship was with Jesus except that she was a devoted follower and supporter. The early Gnostic Gospels have no hesitation describing the relationship between Mary Magdalene and Jesus. The death of Jesus could have been a plot to deceive the authorities. Maybe it was a robber that was hung on the cross and maybe Jesus escaped with Mary to go live in France. Go figure. Read more: 'Venus in Sackcloth' by Marjorie Malvern Penguin, 1995 That leaves the people to ask: who were the descendants of Jesus and Mary, and where are they now? Also, the involvement of Mary Magdalene as co-messiah would completely change the present Christian theology. As such, I believe the orthodoxy would completely reject the validity of the manuscript. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote : Mary Magdalene was a co-messiah, the wife of Jesus and the mother of his children, according to a translation of an ancient manuscript. http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b
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Questioning why the sensational book had attracted so much attention, he said: One uncharitable answer would be to suggest that there is now such a high degree of religious illiteracy in society that people lack the rigour to tackle such spurious claims in the same way they would if the author had written a book saying the moon was made of blue cheese.
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On 11/13/2014 1:43 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: This idea is similar to the plot in the Da Vinci Code novel. / For nearly 2,000 years, Mary Magdalene// was believed to be a prostitute who repented and became a disciple of Jesus, but, the truth about her is finally emerging. She was almost certainly not a prostitute, but a wealthy woman whose support helped early Christianity to survive. Mary Magdalene could have been Jesus' concubine or even his wife. The Bible doesn't say what her realtionship was with Jesus except that she was a devoted follower and supporter. ///The early Gnostic Gospels have no hesitation describing the relationship between Mary Magdalene and Jesus. /The death of Jesus could have been a plot to deceive the authorities. Maybe it was a robber that was hung on the cross and maybe Jesus escaped with Mary to go live in France. Go figure. Read more: /'Venus in Sackcloth' by Marjorie Malvern Penguin, 1995 That leaves the people to ask: who were the descendants of Jesus and Mary, and where are they now? Also, the involvement of Mary Magdalene as co-messiah would completely change the present Christian theology. As such, I believe the orthodoxy would completely reject the validity of the manuscript. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Mary Magdalene was a co-messiah, the wife of Jesus and the mother of his children, according to a translation of an ancient manuscript. http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b
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Richard and John, imo, what we're seeing now is patriarchal spirituality in its
death throes and the re emergence of the feminine divine as co creator.
Plus which there may have been another Mary, one who was a prostitute. Or maybe
these various Marys, virgin, wife and prostitute are aspects of the collective
psyche.
From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children
On 11/13/2014 1:43 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
This idea is similar to the plot in the Da Vinci Code novel.
For nearly 2,000 years, Mary Magdalene was believed to be a prostitute who
repented and became a disciple of Jesus, but, the truth about her is finally
emerging. She was almost certainly not a prostitute, but a wealthy woman whose
support helped early Christianity to survive.
Mary Magdalene could have been Jesus' concubine or even his wife. The Bible
doesn't say what her realtionship was with Jesus except that she was a devoted
follower and supporter. The early Gnostic Gospels have no hesitation describing
the relationship between Mary Magdalene and Jesus.
The death of Jesus could have been a plot to deceive the authorities. Maybe it
was a robber that was hung on the cross and maybe Jesus escaped with Mary to go
live in France. Go figure.
Read more:
'Venus in Sackcloth'
by Marjorie Malvern
Penguin, 1995
That leaves the people to ask: who were the descendants of Jesus and Mary,
and where are they now?
Also, the involvement of Mary Magdalene as co-messiah would completely
change the present Christian theology. As such, I believe the orthodoxy would
completely reject the validity of the manuscript.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :
Mary Magdalene was a co-messiah, the wife of Jesus and the mother of his
children, according to a translation of an ancient manuscript.
http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Mary Magdalene was a co-messiah, the wife of Jesus and the mother of his children, according to a translation of an ancient manuscript. 'Lost gospel' claims Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married and had children - Telegraph http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b 'Lost gospel' claims Jesus and Mary Magdalene we... http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b New translation of a 1,500-year-old manuscript said to fill in 'significant gaps' about Jesus and Mary Magdalene's life but Church of England dismisses ... View on tinyurl.com http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b Preview by Yahoo Funny, this was a theme in the fiction novel The Da Vinci Code.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : This idea is similar to the plot in the Da Vinci Code novel. That leaves the people to ask: who were the descendants of Jesus and Mary, and where are they now? Also, the involvement of Mary Magdalene as co-messiah would completely change the present Christian theology. As such, I believe the orthodoxy would completely reject the validity of the manuscript. Absolutely. First, I think many Christians like the idea of Jesus as some sort of asexual virgin, second, I am pretty sure they wouldn't like the idea of a WOMAN as messiah or anyone near the same import as Jesus Christ. I mean, it's okay for a woman (Mary) to have given physical birth to Jesus but not if she had others powers to boot. The mere idea of Mary Magdalene being not only a sex partner of Jesus' but having status near Godly is reason to have relegated her to a foot washing ex prostitute for all these years. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Mary Magdalene was a co-messiah, the wife of Jesus and the mother of his children, according to a translation of an ancient manuscript. http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b
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Ann, The power of the feminine is recognized in Christianity. The Catholic Church considers the Virgin Mary as the Mother of God and the Queen of Heaven. What else do you want? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : This idea is similar to the plot in the Da Vinci Code novel. That leaves the people to ask: who were the descendants of Jesus and Mary, and where are they now? Also, the involvement of Mary Magdalene as co-messiah would completely change the present Christian theology. As such, I believe the orthodoxy would completely reject the validity of the manuscript. Absolutely. First, I think many Christians like the idea of Jesus as some sort of asexual virgin, second, I am pretty sure they wouldn't like the idea of a WOMAN as messiah or anyone near the same import as Jesus Christ. I mean, it's okay for a woman (Mary) to have given physical birth to Jesus but not if she had others powers to boot. The mere idea of Mary Magdalene being not only a sex partner of Jesus' but having status near Godly is reason to have relegated her to a foot washing ex prostitute for all these years. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Mary Magdalene was a co-messiah, the wife of Jesus and the mother of his children, according to a translation of an ancient manuscript. http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b
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Share, We should all keep a close eye on what Pope Francis is saying these days. Some reporters have stated that Pope Francis believes the Virgin Mary is equal to God and that Jesus has been demoted. If true, that would really shake all of the Christian Churches. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard and John, imo, what we're seeing now is patriarchal spirituality in its death throes and the re emergence of the feminine divine as co creator. Plus which there may have been another Mary, one who was a prostitute. Or maybe these various Marys, virgin, wife and prostitute are aspects of the collective psyche. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children On 11/13/2014 1:43 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: This idea is similar to the plot in the Da Vinci Code novel. For nearly 2,000 years, Mary Magdalene was believed to be a prostitute who repented and became a disciple of Jesus, but, the truth about her is finally emerging. She was almost certainly not a prostitute, but a wealthy woman whose support helped early Christianity to survive. Mary Magdalene could have been Jesus' concubine or even his wife. The Bible doesn't say what her realtionship was with Jesus except that she was a devoted follower and supporter. The early Gnostic Gospels have no hesitation describing the relationship between Mary Magdalene and Jesus. The death of Jesus could have been a plot to deceive the authorities. Maybe it was a robber that was hung on the cross and maybe Jesus escaped with Mary to go live in France. Go figure. Read more: 'Venus in Sackcloth' by Marjorie Malvern Penguin, 1995 That leaves the people to ask: who were the descendants of Jesus and Mary, and where are they now? Also, the involvement of Mary Magdalene as co-messiah would completely change the present Christian theology. As such, I believe the orthodoxy would completely reject the validity of the manuscript. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote : Mary Magdalene was a co-messiah, the wife of Jesus and the mother of his children, according to a translation of an ancient manuscript. http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Ann, The power of the feminine is recognized in Christianity. The Catholic Church considers the Virgin Mary as the Mother of God and the Queen of Heaven. What else do you want? Female Bishops? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : This idea is similar to the plot in the Da Vinci Code novel. That leaves the people to ask: who were the descendants of Jesus and Mary, and where are they now? Also, the involvement of Mary Magdalene as co-messiah would completely change the present Christian theology. As such, I believe the orthodoxy would completely reject the validity of the manuscript. Absolutely. First, I think many Christians like the idea of Jesus as some sort of asexual virgin, second, I am pretty sure they wouldn't like the idea of a WOMAN as messiah or anyone near the same import as Jesus Christ. I mean, it's okay for a woman (Mary) to have given physical birth to Jesus but not if she had others powers to boot. The mere idea of Mary Magdalene being not only a sex partner of Jesus' but having status near Godly is reason to have relegated her to a foot washing ex prostitute for all these years. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Mary Magdalene was a co-messiah, the wife of Jesus and the mother of his children, according to a translation of an ancient manuscript. http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b
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From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Ann, The power of the feminine is recognized in Christianity. The Catholic Church considers the Virgin Mary as the Mother of God and the Queen of Heaven. What else do you want? Female Bishops? The ability to make their own decisions about matters that relate to their own bodies, without being damned to Hell for it by men who pretend to be celibate while buttfucking young altar boys? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : This idea is similar to the plot in the Da Vinci Code novel. That leaves the people to ask: who were the descendants of Jesus and Mary, and where are they now? Also, the involvement of Mary Magdalene as co-messiah would completely change the present Christian theology. As such, I believe the orthodoxy would completely reject the validity of the manuscript. Absolutely. First, I think many Christians like the idea of Jesus as some sort of asexual virgin, second, I am pretty sure they wouldn't like the idea of a WOMAN as messiah or anyone near the same import as Jesus Christ. I mean, it's okay for a woman (Mary) to have given physical birth to Jesus but not if she had others powers to boot. The mere idea of Mary Magdalene being not only a sex partner of Jesus' but having status near Godly is reason to have relegated her to a foot washing ex prostitute for all these years. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Mary Magdalene was a co-messiah, the wife of Jesus and the mother of his children, according to a translation of an ancient manuscript. http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children
On 11/13/2014 6:24 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard and John, imo, what we're seeing now is patriarchal spirituality in its death throes and the re emergence of the feminine divine as co creator. Plus which there may have been another Mary, one who was a prostitute. Or maybe these various Marys, virgin, wife and prostitute are aspects of the collective psyche. /Mary Magdalene was apparently framed! Modern scholarship debunks the myth of Mary Magdalene as prostitute turned saint in this installment of AE's popular Biography series, in which viewers learn of Mary's true role as evangelist, prophet, and influential leader of the early Christian church. Mary was born into an affluent family, but became Jesus' follower and patroness as well as his closest friend. Although her smeared reputation likely was the result of medieval opposition to women's leadership in the Church, Mary Magdalene is emerging as an object of veneration rather than one of controversy. Read more: *Biography of Mary Magdalene* Color, VHS A E Home Video B50Y7R *Biography - Mary of Nazareth: A Mother's Life* A E Entertainment 0767000358 Color, Black White, NTSC/ *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:13 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children On 11/13/2014 1:43 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com mailto:jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: This idea is similar to the plot in the Da Vinci Code novel. / For nearly 2,000 years, Mary Magdalene// was believed to be a prostitute who repented and became a disciple of Jesus, but, the truth about her is finally emerging. She was almost certainly not a prostitute, but a wealthy woman whose support helped early Christianity to survive. Mary Magdalene could have been Jesus' concubine or even his wife. The Bible doesn't say what her realtionship was with Jesus except that she was a devoted follower and supporter. ///The early Gnostic Gospels have no hesitation describing the relationship between Mary Magdalene and Jesus. /The death of Jesus could have been a plot to deceive the authorities. Maybe it was a robber that was hung on the cross and maybe Jesus escaped with Mary to go live in France. Go figure. Read more: /*'Venus in Sackcloth'* by Marjorie Malvern Penguin, 1995 That leaves the people to ask: who were the descendants of Jesus and Mary, and where are they now? Also, the involvement of Mary Magdalene as co-messiah would completely change the present Christian theology. As such, I believe the orthodoxy would completely reject the validity of the manuscript. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote : Mary Magdalene was a co-messiah, the wife of Jesus and the mother of his children, according to a translation of an ancient manuscript. http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b
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That's just it...I'm gonna quit that movement!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children
Richard and John, the Catholic Church imo requires a major overhaul in order to
survive into the next century. I don't think it's possible but I could be wrong.
From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children
On 11/13/2014 6:24 AM, Share Long wrote:
Richard and John, imo, what we're seeing now is patriarchal spirituality
in its death throes and the re emergence of the feminine divine as co creator.
Plus which there may have been another Mary, one who was a prostitute. Or
maybe these various Marys, virgin, wife and prostitute are aspects of the
collective psyche.
Mary Magdalene was apparently framed!
Modern scholarship debunks the myth of Mary Magdalene as prostitute turned
saint in this installment of AE's popular Biography series, in which viewers
learn of Mary's true role as evangelist, prophet, and influential leader of the
early Christian church.
Mary was born into an affluent family, but became Jesus' follower and
patroness as well as his closest friend. Although her smeared reputation likely
was the result of medieval opposition to women's leadership in the Church, Mary
Magdalene is emerging as an object of veneration rather than one of controversy.
Read more:
Biography of Mary Magdalene
Color, VHS
A E Home Video B50Y7R
Biography - Mary of Nazareth: A Mother's Life
A E Entertainment 0767000358
Color, Black White, NTSC
From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children
On 11/13/2014 1:43 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
This idea is similar to the plot in the Da Vinci Code novel.
For nearly 2,000 years, Mary Magdalene was believed to be a prostitute who
repented and became a disciple of Jesus, but, the truth about her is finally
emerging. She was almost certainly not a prostitute, but a wealthy woman whose
support helped early Christianity to survive.
Mary Magdalene could have been Jesus' concubine or even his wife. The Bible
doesn't say what her realtionship was with Jesus except that she was a devoted
follower and supporter. The early Gnostic Gospels have no hesitation describing
the relationship between Mary Magdalene and Jesus.
The death of Jesus could have been a plot to deceive the authorities. Maybe it
was a robber that was hung on the cross and maybe Jesus escaped with Mary to
go live in France. Go figure.
Read more:
'Venus in Sackcloth'
by Marjorie Malvern
Penguin, 1995
That leaves the people to ask: who were the descendants of Jesus and Mary,
and where are they now?
Also, the involvement of Mary Magdalene as co-messiah would completely
change the present Christian theology. As such, I believe the orthodoxy would
completely reject the validity of the manuscript.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :
Mary Magdalene was a co-messiah, the wife of Jesus and the mother of his
children, according to a translation of an ancient manuscript.
http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children
John, imo the problem with the Virgin Mary is that by being both a virgin and a
mother, she is used to denigrate feminine sexuality. Not healthy, to say the
least.
A cool book I read about Mary stated that she and her parents were Essenes.
From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children
Share,
We should all keep a close eye on what Pope Francis is saying these days. Some
reporters have stated that Pope Francis believes the Virgin Mary is equal to
God and that Jesus has been demoted. If true, that would really shake all of
the Christian Churches.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Richard and John, imo, what we're seeing now is patriarchal spirituality in its
death throes and the re emergence of the feminine divine as co creator.
Plus which there may have been another Mary, one who was a prostitute. Or maybe
these various Marys, virgin, wife and prostitute are aspects of the collective
psyche.
From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children
On 11/13/2014 1:43 AM, jr_esq@...[FairfieldLife] wrote:
This idea is similar to the plot in the Da Vinci Codenovel.
For nearly 2,000 years, MaryMagdalene was believed to be aprostitute who
repented and became a disciple of Jesus, but, thetruth about her is finally
emerging. She was almost certainlynot a prostitute, but a wealthy woman whose
support helped earlyChristianity to survive.
Mary Magdalene could have been Jesus' concubine or even hiswife. The Bible
doesn't say what her realtionship was with Jesusexcept that she was a devoted
follower and supporter. The early Gnostic Gospelshave no hesitation describing
the relationship between MaryMagdalene and Jesus.
The death of Jesus could have been a plot todeceive the authorities. Maybe it
was a robber that was hung onthe cross and maybe Jesus escaped with Mary to go
live inFrance. Go figure.
Read more:
'Venus in Sackcloth'
by Marjorie Malvern
Penguin, 1995
That leaves the people to ask: who were the descendantsof Jesus and Mary, and
where are they now?
Also, the involvement of Mary Magdalene as co-messiahwould completely change
the present Christian theology. As such, I believe the orthodoxy would
completely rejectthe validity of the manuscript.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,s3raphita@... wrote :
Mary Magdalene was aco-messiah, the wife of Jesus and the motherof his
children, according to a translation ofan ancient manuscript.
http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b
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Share, I think Pope Francis realizes the need to make changes in the church. That's why he's creating these synods to address policies relating to gay marriage and divorced people. So far, he's shaken up many people from their comfort zone. We don't know what else he's got in his agenda. But he seems to be following a mysterious script when he quipped to his cardinals: may God forgive you for electing me as the pope. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard and John, the Catholic Church imo requires a major overhaul in order to survive into the next century. I don't think it's possible but I could be wrong. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children On 11/13/2014 6:24 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard and John, imo, what we're seeing now is patriarchal spirituality in its death throes and the re emergence of the feminine divine as co creator. Plus which there may have been another Mary, one who was a prostitute. Or maybe these various Marys, virgin, wife and prostitute are aspects of the collective psyche. Mary Magdalene was apparently framed! Modern scholarship debunks the myth of Mary Magdalene as prostitute turned saint in this installment of AE's popular Biography series, in which viewers learn of Mary's true role as evangelist, prophet, and influential leader of the early Christian church. Mary was born into an affluent family, but became Jesus' follower and patroness as well as his closest friend. Although her smeared reputation likely was the result of medieval opposition to women's leadership in the Church, Mary Magdalene is emerging as an object of veneration rather than one of controversy. Read more: Biography of Mary Magdalene Color, VHS A E Home Video B50Y7R Biography - Mary of Nazareth: A Mother's Life A E Entertainment 0767000358 Color, Black White, NTSC From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... mailto:punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children On 11/13/2014 1:43 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: This idea is similar to the plot in the Da Vinci Code novel. For nearly 2,000 years, Mary Magdalene was believed to be a prostitute who repented and became a disciple of Jesus, but, the truth about her is finally emerging. She was almost certainly not a prostitute, but a wealthy woman whose support helped early Christianity to survive. Mary Magdalene could have been Jesus' concubine or even his wife. The Bible doesn't say what her realtionship was with Jesus except that she was a devoted follower and supporter. The early Gnostic Gospels have no hesitation describing the relationship between Mary Magdalene and Jesus. The death of Jesus could have been a plot to deceive the authorities. Maybe it was a robber that was hung on the cross and maybe Jesus escaped with Mary to go live in France. Go figure. Read more: 'Venus in Sackcloth' by Marjorie Malvern Penguin, 1995 That leaves the people to ask: who were the descendants of Jesus and Mary, and where are they now? Also, the involvement of Mary Magdalene as co-messiah would completely change the present Christian theology. As such, I believe the orthodoxy would completely reject the validity of the manuscript. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote : Mary Magdalene was a co-messiah, the wife of Jesus and the mother of his children, according to a translation of an ancient manuscript. http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b
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John, ah, he's a humble revolutionary. Then I think there IS hope for the
Catholic Church (-:
From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children
Share,
I think Pope Francis realizes the need to make changes in the church. That's
why he's creating these synods to address policies relating to gay marriage and
divorced people. So far, he's shaken up many people from their comfort zone.
We don't know what else he's got in his agenda. But he seems to be following a
mysterious script when he quipped to his cardinals: may God forgive you for
electing me as the pope.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Richard and John, the Catholic Church imo requires a major overhaul in order to
survive into the next century. I don't think it's possible but I could be wrong.
From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children
On 11/13/2014 6:24 AM, Share Longwrote:
Richard and John, imo, what we're seeing now ispatriarchal spirituality in
its death throes and the reemergence of the feminine divine as co creator.
Pluswhich there may have been another Mary, one who was aprostitute. Or maybe
these various Marys, virgin, wifeand prostitute are aspects of the collective
psyche.
Mary Magdalene was apparently framed!
Modern scholarship debunks the myth of Mary Magdalene asprostitute turned saint
in this installment of AE's popularBiography series, in which viewers learn of
Mary's true role asevangelist, prophet, and influential leader of the
earlyChristian church.
Mary was born into an affluent family, but became Jesus'follower and patroness
as well as his closest friend. Althoughher smeared reputation likely was the
result of medievalopposition to women's leadership in the Church, Mary
Magdaleneis emerging as an object of veneration rather than one ofcontroversy.
Read more:
Biography of Mary Magdalene
Color, VHS
A E Home Video B50Y7R
Biography - Mary of Nazareth: A Mother's Life
A E Entertainment 0767000358
Color, Black White, NTSC
From:'Richard J. Williams'
punditster@...[FairfieldLife]FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:13 AM
Subject:Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . withChildren
On11/13/2014 1:43 AM, jr_esq@...[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Thisidea is similar to the plot in theDa Vinci Code novel.
For nearly 2,000years, Mary Magdalenewas believed to be a prostitute
whorepented and became a disciple ofJesus, but, the truth about her isfinally
emerging. She was almostcertainly not a prostitute, but awealthy woman whose
support helpedearly Christianity to survive.
Mary Magdalene could have been Jesus'concubine or even his wife. The
Bibledoesn't say what her realtionship waswith Jesus except that she was
adevoted follower and supporter. Theearly Gnostic Gospels have nohesitation
describing therelationship between MaryMagdalene and Jesus.
The death of Jesus couldhave been a plot to deceive theauthorities. Maybe it
was a robberthat was hung on the cross and maybeJesus escaped with Mary to go
live inFrance. Go figure.
Read more:
'Venusin Sackcloth'
by Marjorie Malvern
Penguin, 1995
That leaves the people toask: who were the descendants ofJesus and Mary, and
where arethey now?
Also, the involvement of MaryMagdalene as co-messiah wouldcompletely change
the presentChristian theology. As such, Ibelieve the orthodoxy wouldcompletely
reject the validityof the manuscript.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,s3raphita@...wrote :
MaryMagdalene was aco-messiah, the wifeof Jesus and themother of hischildren,
according toa translation of anancient manuscript.
http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children
Share, From what I've seen, Catholic women are having sex and children. So, what's wrong with that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, imo the problem with the Virgin Mary is that by being both a virgin and a mother, she is used to denigrate feminine sexuality. Not healthy, to say the least. A cool book I read about Mary stated that she and her parents were Essenes. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children Share, We should all keep a close eye on what Pope Francis is saying these days. Some reporters have stated that Pope Francis believes the Virgin Mary is equal to God and that Jesus has been demoted. If true, that would really shake all of the Christian Churches. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard and John, imo, what we're seeing now is patriarchal spirituality in its death throes and the re emergence of the feminine divine as co creator. Plus which there may have been another Mary, one who was a prostitute. Or maybe these various Marys, virgin, wife and prostitute are aspects of the collective psyche. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children On 11/13/2014 1:43 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: This idea is similar to the plot in the Da Vinci Code novel. For nearly 2,000 years, Mary Magdalene was believed to be a prostitute who repented and became a disciple of Jesus, but, the truth about her is finally emerging. She was almost certainly not a prostitute, but a wealthy woman whose support helped early Christianity to survive. Mary Magdalene could have been Jesus' concubine or even his wife. The Bible doesn't say what her realtionship was with Jesus except that she was a devoted follower and supporter. The early Gnostic Gospels have no hesitation describing the relationship between Mary Magdalene and Jesus. The death of Jesus could have been a plot to deceive the authorities. Maybe it was a robber that was hung on the cross and maybe Jesus escaped with Mary to go live in France. Go figure. Read more: 'Venus in Sackcloth' by Marjorie Malvern Penguin, 1995 That leaves the people to ask: who were the descendants of Jesus and Mary, and where are they now? Also, the involvement of Mary Magdalene as co-messiah would completely change the present Christian theology. As such, I believe the orthodoxy would completely reject the validity of the manuscript. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote : Mary Magdalene was a co-messiah, the wife of Jesus and the mother of his children, according to a translation of an ancient manuscript. http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children
John, basically the Church has placed at the pinnacle of worship, a woman who
became a mother without having sex. I don't think the message is very subtle!
From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children
Share,
From what I've seen, Catholic women are having sex and children. So, what's
wrong with that?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
John, imo the problem with the Virgin Mary is that by being both a virgin and a
mother, she is used to denigrate feminine sexuality. Not healthy, to say the
least.
A cool book I read about Mary stated that she and her parents were Essenes.
From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children
Share,
We should all keep a close eye on what Pope Francis is saying these days. Some
reporters have stated that Pope Francis believes the Virgin Mary is equal to
God and that Jesus has been demoted. If true, that would really shake all of
the Christian Churches.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Richard and John, imo, what we're seeing now is patriarchal spirituality in its
death throes and the re emergence of the feminine divine as co creator.
Plus which there may have been another Mary, one who was a prostitute. Or maybe
these various Marys, virgin, wife and prostitute are aspects of the collective
psyche.
From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children
On 11/13/2014 1:43 AM, jr_esq@...[FairfieldLife] wrote:
This idea is similar to the plot in the Da Vinci Codenovel.
For nearly 2,000 years, MaryMagdalene was believed to be aprostitute who
repented and became a disciple of Jesus, but, thetruth about her is finally
emerging. She was almost certainlynot a prostitute, but a wealthy woman whose
support helped earlyChristianity to survive.
Mary Magdalene could have been Jesus' concubine or even hiswife. The Bible
doesn't say what her realtionship was with Jesusexcept that she was a devoted
follower and supporter. The early Gnostic Gospelshave no hesitation describing
the relationship between MaryMagdalene and Jesus.
The death of Jesus could have been a plot todeceive the authorities. Maybe it
was a robber that was hung onthe cross and maybe Jesus escaped with Mary to go
live inFrance. Go figure.
Read more:
'Venus in Sackcloth'
by Marjorie Malvern
Penguin, 1995
That leaves the people to ask: who were the descendantsof Jesus and Mary, and
where are they now?
Also, the involvement of Mary Magdalene as co-messiahwould completely change
the present Christian theology. As such, I believe the orthodoxy would
completely rejectthe validity of the manuscript.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,s3raphita@... wrote :
Mary Magdalene was aco-messiah, the wife of Jesus and the motherof his
children, according to a translation ofan ancient manuscript.
http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Share, I think Pope Francis realizes the need to make changes in the church. That's why he's creating these synods to address policies relating to gay marriage and divorced people. So far, he's shaken up many people from their comfort zone. We don't know what else he's got in his agenda. But he seems to be following a mysterious script when he quipped to his cardinals: may God forgive you for electing me as the pope. From what I have heard about Pope Francis he is probably someone who will take the church further toward balance and tolerance than any other Pope in recent memory. Not that I follow the Pope's comings and goings but he obviously has a sense of humour and is willing to push the proverbial envelope. From what I have seen of the man, I like him - a lot. He seems like a humanist first and a Pope second. He also appears to be a very brave man.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children
Re The Church has placed at the pinnacle of worship, a woman who became a mother without having sex. I don't think the message is very subtle!: Nice one Share! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, basically the Church has placed at the pinnacle of worship, a woman who became a mother without having sex. I don't think the message is very subtle! From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children Share, From what I've seen, Catholic women are having sex and children. So, what's wrong with that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, imo the problem with the Virgin Mary is that by being both a virgin and a mother, she is used to denigrate feminine sexuality. Not healthy, to say the least. A cool book I read about Mary stated that she and her parents were Essenes. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children Share, We should all keep a close eye on what Pope Francis is saying these days. Some reporters have stated that Pope Francis believes the Virgin Mary is equal to God and that Jesus has been demoted. If true, that would really shake all of the Christian Churches. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard and John, imo, what we're seeing now is patriarchal spirituality in its death throes and the re emergence of the feminine divine as co creator. Plus which there may have been another Mary, one who was a prostitute. Or maybe these various Marys, virgin, wife and prostitute are aspects of the collective psyche. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children On 11/13/2014 1:43 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: This idea is similar to the plot in the Da Vinci Code novel. For nearly 2,000 years, Mary Magdalene was believed to be a prostitute who repented and became a disciple of Jesus, but, the truth about her is finally emerging. She was almost certainly not a prostitute, but a wealthy woman whose support helped early Christianity to survive. Mary Magdalene could have been Jesus' concubine or even his wife. The Bible doesn't say what her realtionship was with Jesus except that she was a devoted follower and supporter. The early Gnostic Gospels have no hesitation describing the relationship between Mary Magdalene and Jesus. The death of Jesus could have been a plot to deceive the authorities. Maybe it was a robber that was hung on the cross and maybe Jesus escaped with Mary to go live in France. Go figure. Read more: 'Venus in Sackcloth' by Marjorie Malvern Penguin, 1995 That leaves the people to ask: who were the descendants of Jesus and Mary, and where are they now? Also, the involvement of Mary Magdalene as co-messiah would completely change the present Christian theology. As such, I believe the orthodoxy would completely reject the validity of the manuscript. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote : Mary Magdalene was a co-messiah, the wife of Jesus and the mother of his children, according to a translation of an ancient manuscript. http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children
Share, IMO the church is saying that all women have a choice. They can have sex and children which is perfectly acceptable and human. Or be a virgin like Mary which is acceptable as well if that is their preference. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, basically the Church has placed at the pinnacle of worship, a woman who became a mother without having sex. I don't think the message is very subtle! From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children Share, From what I've seen, Catholic women are having sex and children. So, what's wrong with that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, imo the problem with the Virgin Mary is that by being both a virgin and a mother, she is used to denigrate feminine sexuality. Not healthy, to say the least. A cool book I read about Mary stated that she and her parents were Essenes. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children Share, We should all keep a close eye on what Pope Francis is saying these days. Some reporters have stated that Pope Francis believes the Virgin Mary is equal to God and that Jesus has been demoted. If true, that would really shake all of the Christian Churches. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard and John, imo, what we're seeing now is patriarchal spirituality in its death throes and the re emergence of the feminine divine as co creator. Plus which there may have been another Mary, one who was a prostitute. Or maybe these various Marys, virgin, wife and prostitute are aspects of the collective psyche. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children On 11/13/2014 1:43 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: This idea is similar to the plot in the Da Vinci Code novel. For nearly 2,000 years, Mary Magdalene was believed to be a prostitute who repented and became a disciple of Jesus, but, the truth about her is finally emerging. She was almost certainly not a prostitute, but a wealthy woman whose support helped early Christianity to survive. Mary Magdalene could have been Jesus' concubine or even his wife. The Bible doesn't say what her realtionship was with Jesus except that she was a devoted follower and supporter. The early Gnostic Gospels have no hesitation describing the relationship between Mary Magdalene and Jesus. The death of Jesus could have been a plot to deceive the authorities. Maybe it was a robber that was hung on the cross and maybe Jesus escaped with Mary to go live in France. Go figure. Read more: 'Venus in Sackcloth' by Marjorie Malvern Penguin, 1995 That leaves the people to ask: who were the descendants of Jesus and Mary, and where are they now? Also, the involvement of Mary Magdalene as co-messiah would completely change the present Christian theology. As such, I believe the orthodoxy would completely reject the validity of the manuscript. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote : Mary Magdalene was a co-messiah, the wife of Jesus and the mother of his children, according to a translation of an ancient manuscript. http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b
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Ann, From what I've read, he told a youth assembly in Rome to create a mess in their local church. Some church leaders have stated he's already done that himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Share, I think Pope Francis realizes the need to make changes in the church. That's why he's creating these synods to address policies relating to gay marriage and divorced people. So far, he's shaken up many people from their comfort zone. We don't know what else he's got in his agenda. But he seems to be following a mysterious script when he quipped to his cardinals: may God forgive you for electing me as the pope. From what I have heard about Pope Francis he is probably someone who will take the church further toward balance and tolerance than any other Pope in recent memory. Not that I follow the Pope's comings and goings but he obviously has a sense of humour and is willing to push the proverbial envelope. From what I have seen of the man, I like him - a lot. He seems like a humanist first and a Pope second. He also appears to be a very brave man.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Share, IMO the church is saying that all women have a choice. They can have sex and children which is perfectly acceptable and human. Or be a virgin like Mary which is acceptable as well if that is their preference. I have to say that Mary stands alone. She is strong and special and chosen. Did she really act as a vehicle for a virgin birth? I have no idea but to say that she did does not in any way denigrate her. It doesn't belittle her or imply anything about women except that they are, presumably, suitable vessels to carry a God. Sounds pretty good to me.
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From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Share, IMO the church is saying that all women have a choice. They can have sex and children which is perfectly acceptable and human. Or be a virgin like Mary which is acceptable as well if that is their preference. What they are NOT free to do is become priests, and help to lead a spiritual movement. It's just like Maharishi's organization. John doesn't see the issue because he's as much of a male chauvinist pig as he is a religious nut.
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Barry, You're raising a different issue. Personally, I don't have any problems with women becoming priests, bishops, or leaders of a spiritual movement. But there are churches in the US, particularly the Catholic church, that are entrenched in tradition for having men only as priests and leaders. It will take some time to change this attitude. We may not see it in our life time. But there are a few Christian churches who have stepped forward to ordain women as priests. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Share, IMO the church is saying that all women have a choice. They can have sex and children which is perfectly acceptable and human. Or be a virgin like Mary which is acceptable as well if that is their preference. What they are NOT free to do is become priests, and help to lead a spiritual movement. It's just like Maharishi's organization. John doesn't see the issue because he's as much of a male chauvinist pig as he is a religious nut.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Married . . . with Children
This idea is similar to the plot in the Da Vinci Code novel. That leaves the people to ask: who were the descendants of Jesus and Mary, and where are they now? Also, the involvement of Mary Magdalene as co-messiah would completely change the present Christian theology. As such, I believe the orthodoxy would completely reject the validity of the manuscript. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Mary Magdalene was a co-messiah, the wife of Jesus and the mother of his children, according to a translation of an ancient manuscript. http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b http://tinyurl.com/mhb2j8b
