subject:"\[FairfieldLife\] Re\: Steve"

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
snip
 Jobs clearly signed his own death certificate with the
 strange idea that he could force a rare form of
 pancreatic CA into remission through diet.

Actually, no, that isn't at all clear. Just for
one thing, if the cancer had already spread to
his liver when it was discovered in his pancreas
(metastases to the liver might well not have been
detectable at that point), surgery to his pancreas
wouldn't have helped, so the delay may not have
done any harm.

And apparently he spent months after his diagnosis
consulting with many physicians. Delaying the
surgery was a thoughtful, considered decision, not
a hasty, panicky one, and certainly not a blind one.

Several physicians (including one on his team) 
think that under the circumstances, delaying the
surgery wasn't an utterly unreasonable choice,
even though they would have recommended that he
have the surgery sooner.

It wasn't as cut-and-dried a situation as those
who are scornful of any nonstandard treatment (but
who, like Vaj, have no medical expertise) would
like to believe. There were many different factors
involved, the facts of most of which are known only
to his physicians and family.

The NY Times had an article going into all this the
other day:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/01/health/hindsight-is-kind-to-steve-jobss-decision-to-delay-surgery.html

http://tinyurl.com/5u8vyc8

 The only good news in this case is now I may eventually
 get Flash on my iPadbut otherwise what a waste of a
 life, all based on holding strange untenable beliefs.

Or the luck of the draw. We have no way of knowing,
and it's ignorant and arrogant to pretend otherwise.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

2011-11-05 Thread Denise Evans

Judy, what was the name of that Book on Cancer you referred to as a good 
read?  

From: authfriend jst...@panix.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 4:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
snip
 Jobs clearly signed his own death certificate with the
 strange idea that he could force a rare form of
 pancreatic CA into remission through diet.

Actually, no, that isn't at all clear. Just for
one thing, if the cancer had already spread to
his liver when it was discovered in his pancreas
(metastases to the liver might well not have been
detectable at that point), surgery to his pancreas
wouldn't have helped, so the delay may not have
done any harm.

And apparently he spent months after his diagnosis
consulting with many physicians. Delaying the
surgery was a thoughtful, considered decision, not
a hasty, panicky one, and certainly not a blind one.

Several physicians (including one on his team) 
think that under the circumstances, delaying the
surgery wasn't an utterly unreasonable choice,
even though they would have recommended that he
have the surgery sooner.

It wasn't as cut-and-dried a situation as those
who are scornful of any nonstandard treatment (but
who, like Vaj, have no medical expertise) would
like to believe. There were many different factors
involved, the facts of most of which are known only
to his physicians and family.

The NY Times had an article going into all this the
other day:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/01/health/hindsight-is-kind-to-steve-jobss-decision-to-delay-surgery.html

http://tinyurl.com/5u8vyc8

 The only good news in this case is now I may eventually
 get Flash on my iPad…but otherwise what a waste of a
 life, all based on holding strange untenable beliefs.

Or the luck of the draw. We have no way of knowing,
and it's ignorant and arrogant to pretend otherwise.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote:

 Judy, what was the name of that Book on Cancer you referred
 to as a good read?

Sorry, don't recall referring to any such book. Could you
be thinking of someone else?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

2011-11-05 Thread Denise Evans

No, I think it was you in one of your responses to Steve Jobs passing.  I 
haven't figured out how to access the archives for this forum.  All the emails 
come to my yahoo account.  I think I have to go to the main group page and do a 
search? 

From: authfriend jst...@panix.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 5:42 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote:

 Judy, what was the name of that Book on Cancer you referred
 to as a good read?

Sorry, don't recall referring to any such book. Could you
be thinking of someone else?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote:
 
  Judy, what was the name of that Book on Cancer you referred
  to as a good read?
 
 Sorry, don't recall referring to any such book. Could you
 be thinking of someone else?

Oh, wait, sorry, now I know what you're asking about. It's
Should I Be Tested for Cancer? by H. Gilbert Welch, M.D.

Here's the Amazon page:

http://www.amazon.com/Should-Be-Tested-Cancer-Maybe/dp/0520248368/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1320540324sr=1-1

http://tinyurl.com/3recr2a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote:

 No, I think it was you in one of your responses to Steve Jobs
 passing.

Actually it was in an earlier thread on colonoscopy;
the book has to do with screening tests for cancer. Jobs's
cancer was discovered accidentally in the course of having
CT scans done to diagnose, as I recall, a back problem.

 I haven't figured out how to access the archives for this
 forum. All the emails come to my yahoo account. I think I
 have to go to the main group page and do a search?

Dunno whether you can get to the archives from the emails,
but it's easy enough to visit the FF Web page and use
Advanced Search.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

2011-11-05 Thread Denise Evans

Thanks.

From: authfriend jst...@panix.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 5:46 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote:

  Judy, what was the name of that Book on Cancer you referred
  to as a good read?

 Sorry, don't recall referring to any such book. Could you
 be thinking of someone else?

Oh, wait, sorry, now I know what you're asking about. It's
Should I Be Tested for Cancer? by H. Gilbert Welch, M.D.

Here's the Amazon page:

http://www.amazon.com/Should-Be-Tested-Cancer-Maybe/dp/0520248368/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1320540324sr=1-1

http://tinyurl.com/3recr2a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

2011-11-05 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:

 It wasn't as cut-and-dried a situation as those
 who are scornful of any nonstandard treatment (but
 who, like Vaj, have no medical expertise) would
 like to believe
 
Judy, while most of us do not know Vaj or who he is, there was a reference 
somewhere on the forum that I followed up on, and it may be that Vaj actually 
does have medical expertise as a specialist of some kind, though not a medical 
doctor degree.

Additionally, he seem to exhibit some knowledge of medicine in his posts, along 
with his other quirks. He does not seem to have a functional knowledge of TM 
terminology or its use, in spite of his explanations otherwise.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
anartaxius@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  It wasn't as cut-and-dried a situation as those
  who are scornful of any nonstandard treatment (but
  who, like Vaj, have no medical expertise) would
  like to believe
  
 Judy, while most of us do not know Vaj or who he is, there
 was a reference somewhere on the forum that I followed up
 on, and it may be that Vaj actually does have medical
 expertise as a specialist of some kind, though not a medical
 doctor degree.

Genuine expertise includes knowing what one doesn't know.
If he had it, he'd have realized he didn't know enough
about Jobs's situation to state flatly, as if it were
established fact, that Jobs's choice to delay surgery
cost him his life. *Nobody* can know that.

 Additionally, he seem to exhibit some knowledge of medicine
 in his posts, along with his other quirks.

Vaj attempts to exhibit all kinds of knowledge in his
posts. But it appears that whenever what he exhibits
comes up against real knowledge, it turns out he did
not, in fact, know what he was talking about.

 He does not seem to have a functional knowledge of TM
 terminology or its use, in spite of his explanations
 otherwise.

Indeed.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks (cancer)

2011-11-04 Thread Vaj



On Nov 3, 2011, at 6:39 PM, Bhairitu wrote:


I haven't kept up on it but back in the late 1970s I looked into the
cancer work of Dr. Kelly and what is now HealthExcel and run by a
former TM teacher Bill Wolcott. They divided cancers groups by hard
tumor and soft tumors. Different body types were prone to getting one
or the other.

BTW, another doctor I went to in the 1980s who was not at all into
alternative medicine told me that the allergist he shared an office  
with

once remarked that almost none of his patients ever got cancer. He
believed that was because people who have allergies have strong immune
systems since allergies are often the reaction of the immune system on
some allergen. Hence the strong immune system got rid of cancer cells
before they could do anything.



This is actually the basis for many immunotherapy regimes and cancer  
vaccines. Since we can now genetically engineer antibodies, all you  
need to do is ramp up the immune system and it kills off the cancer.  
In cases where that doesn't work, you can radiotag a short distance  
beta-emitter to the antibody and introduce that into the blood  
stream. The antibody take the radiation punch directly to the cancer.  
If it kills off about 86% or more of the tumors, then the bodies  
immune system, believing the body was attacked, initiates an  
inflammatory response and kills off the rest of the cancer.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks (cancer)

2011-11-04 Thread obbajeeba



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Nov 3, 2011, at 6:39 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
 
  I haven't kept up on it but back in the late 1970s I looked into the
  cancer work of Dr. Kelly and what is now HealthExcel and run by a
  former TM teacher Bill Wolcott. They divided cancers groups by hard
  tumor and soft tumors. Different body types were prone to getting one
  or the other.
 
  BTW, another doctor I went to in the 1980s who was not at all into
  alternative medicine told me that the allergist he shared an office  
  with
  once remarked that almost none of his patients ever got cancer. He
  believed that was because people who have allergies have strong immune
  systems since allergies are often the reaction of the immune system on
  some allergen. Hence the strong immune system got rid of cancer cells
  before they could do anything.
 
 
 This is actually the basis for many immunotherapy regimes and cancer  
 vaccines. Since we can now genetically engineer antibodies, all you  
 need to do is ramp up the immune system and it kills off the cancer.  
 In cases where that doesn't work, you can radiotag a short distance  
 beta-emitter to the antibody and introduce that into the blood  
 stream. The antibody take the radiation punch directly to the cancer.  
 If it kills off about 86% or more of the tumors, then the bodies  
 immune system, believing the body was attacked, initiates an  
 inflammatory response and kills off the rest of the cancer.


Could you supply a link supporting this process, please?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks (cancer)

2011-11-04 Thread Vaj



On Nov 4, 2011, at 8:16 AM, obbajeeba wrote:


Could you supply a link supporting this process, please?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibritumomab_tiuxetan

http://www.zevalin.com/

You'll see the suffix -mab on many of these drugs which indicates  
they're a monoclonal antibody (MAB).

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

2011-11-03 Thread Bhairitu

On 11/02/2011 10:19 PM, obbajeeba wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote:
On 11/02/2011 06:19 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote:
Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some
quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts:
http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs

Lots and lots of speculation going on. The fruitarians are saying he'd have
never gotten cancer if only he'd stuck to fruitarianism all along. The
low-carbers think he should have ditched all the cancer-food carbs and
switched to a ketogenic diet. I'd side with the ketogenic diet over
fruitarianism, but I really think he should have jumped at the chance to
have that rare, survivable fucker cut out of his body early, when he had
the chance.

A friend of mine in FF was diagnosed with ovarian cancer early enough that
she would have likely survived had she gotten surgery. But, she opted for a
yearlong death spiral, doing all sorts of new-age alternative nonsense.
Honestly, I think she really just wanted outta here.
My brother was never into anything new age but came down with colon
cancer at age 52. The last few months he was into trying anything but I
knew it was too late. Now if he had just eaten the diet he was eating
in his last few months he may have never gotten cancer in the first place.

It is not only diet that is causing cancer. Lot's of vegetarians die of
cancer.

In the seventies, I remember science teachers saying cancers would be
creeping up in the next twenty years or later because of all the nuclear
testings and bombs dropped, etc. I buy this story before the belief that
diet causes cancer.
Although, I do believe relief can be had for any ailment with a healthy diet
and make life feel a bit better. Diet takes the blame out of all the
government testings, thereby liability is passed to the individual exposed to
all the crap.
Another theory is our lives have changed so much due to work, environment,
moving around etc., that the body is trying to adapt by evolving at an
accelerated rate (evolution gone haywire), increasing the incidences of
cancer tumors, (they do grow their own supply of veins). Somewhere, there is
an article on the net supporting the later and it made sense. it is not a
mystery black mass like in one of the Hollywood movies I saw. lol...
I can't find it right now.

Where I grew up they thought it was cool to release some radioactive
material from Hanford to see what it did to the population. Many
people I grew up with came down with thyroid cancer beginning in the
1980s (the release was in the early 1950s). I didn't like milk as a kid
(I'm a bit lactose intolerant) so that probably saved my life.

We've had fund raising for cancer research for decades now not to
mention other diseases and not much in the way of cures. Might one
think that diseases are too much a profit center with for-profit
healthcare that there is little interest in creating cures though in
most cases prevention is the cure. Plus there are those who feel that
wiping out much of the population through epidemics and disease is a
good thing as there are too many people on the planet. And where are
all these new souls coming from or is there in reality only one soul
in the entire universe and we are part of that soul?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

2011-11-03 Thread richardwillytexwilliams



Bhairitu:
 ...there are those who feel that wiping out much of 
 the population through epidemics and disease is a 
 good thing as there are too many people on the planet.

Aren't you the little crises monger-Jew-baiter today!

The Crisis Mongers

A few people in the media have started to notice: 
Reuters notes that falling population may present more 
serious social problems than rising population. (How 
will we pay for our welfare states, to example?)

'Population Bomb Epic Fail'
Powerline:
http://tinyurl.com/3k6fghz

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks (cancer)

2011-11-03 Thread johnt

Most cancers require glucose to survive. Since a ketogenic diet relys on fat 
metabolism rather than glucose metabolism (glycogenesis vs. lipogenesis) many 
cancer tumors starve to death or have their growth dramatically slowed. Lot's 
of research. A very low carb diet can produce this and can be vegetarian or 
even vegan if so desired.Google  `Flexi Diet' .

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
 
  On 11/02/2011 06:19 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@  wrote:
   Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some
   quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts:
   http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs
  
   Lots and lots of speculation going on. The fruitarians are saying he'd 
   have never gotten cancer if only he'd stuck to fruitarianism all along. 
   The low-carbers think he should have ditched all the cancer-food carbs 
   and switched to a ketogenic diet. I'd side with the ketogenic diet over 
   fruitarianism, but I really think he should have jumped at the chance to 
   have that rare, survivable fucker cut out of his body early, when he had 
   the chance.
  
   A friend of mine in FF was diagnosed with ovarian cancer early enough 
   that she would have likely survived had she gotten surgery. But, she 
   opted for a yearlong death spiral, doing all sorts of new-age alternative 
   nonsense. Honestly, I think she really just wanted outta here.
  
  My brother was never into anything new age but came down with colon 
  cancer at age 52.  The last few months he was into trying anything but I 
  knew it was too late.  Now if he had just eaten the diet he was eating 
  in his last few months he may have never gotten cancer in the first place.
 
 
 It is not only diet that is causing cancer. Lot's of vegetarians die of 
 cancer.
  
 In the seventies, I remember science teachers saying cancers would be 
 creeping up in the next twenty years  or later because of all the nuclear 
 testings and bombs dropped, etc.  I buy this story before the belief that 
 diet causes cancer. 
 Although, I do believe relief can be had for any ailment with a healthy diet 
 and make life feel a bit better. Diet takes the blame out of all the 
 government testings, thereby liability is passed to the individual exposed to 
 all the crap. 
 Another theory is our lives have changed so much due to work, environment, 
 moving around etc.,  that the body is trying to adapt by  evolving at an 
 accelerated rate (evolution gone haywire), increasing the incidences of 
 cancer tumors, (they do grow their own supply of veins). Somewhere, there is 
 an article on the net supporting the later and it made sense.  it is not a 
 mystery black mass like in one of the Hollywood movies I saw. lol... 
 I can't find it right now.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks (cancer)

2011-11-03 Thread johnt

Most cancers require glucose to survive. Since a ketogenic diet relys on fat 
metabolism rather than glucose metabolism (glycogenesis vs. lipogenesis) many 
cancer tumors starve to death or have their growth dramatically slowed. Lot's 
of research. A very low carb diet can produce this and can be vegetarian or 
even vegan if so desired.Google  `Flexi Diet' .

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
 
  On 11/02/2011 06:19 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@  wrote:
   Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some
   quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts:
   http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs
  
   Lots and lots of speculation going on. The fruitarians are saying he'd 
   have never gotten cancer if only he'd stuck to fruitarianism all along. 
   The low-carbers think he should have ditched all the cancer-food carbs 
   and switched to a ketogenic diet. I'd side with the ketogenic diet over 
   fruitarianism, but I really think he should have jumped at the chance to 
   have that rare, survivable fucker cut out of his body early, when he had 
   the chance.
  
   A friend of mine in FF was diagnosed with ovarian cancer early enough 
   that she would have likely survived had she gotten surgery. But, she 
   opted for a yearlong death spiral, doing all sorts of new-age alternative 
   nonsense. Honestly, I think she really just wanted outta here.
  
  My brother was never into anything new age but came down with colon 
  cancer at age 52.  The last few months he was into trying anything but I 
  knew it was too late.  Now if he had just eaten the diet he was eating 
  in his last few months he may have never gotten cancer in the first place.
 
 
 It is not only diet that is causing cancer. Lot's of vegetarians die of 
 cancer.
  
 In the seventies, I remember science teachers saying cancers would be 
 creeping up in the next twenty years  or later because of all the nuclear 
 testings and bombs dropped, etc.  I buy this story before the belief that 
 diet causes cancer. 
 Although, I do believe relief can be had for any ailment with a healthy diet 
 and make life feel a bit better. Diet takes the blame out of all the 
 government testings, thereby liability is passed to the individual exposed to 
 all the crap. 
 Another theory is our lives have changed so much due to work, environment, 
 moving around etc.,  that the body is trying to adapt by  evolving at an 
 accelerated rate (evolution gone haywire), increasing the incidences of 
 cancer tumors, (they do grow their own supply of veins). Somewhere, there is 
 an article on the net supporting the later and it made sense.  it is not a 
 mystery black mass like in one of the Hollywood movies I saw. lol... 
 I can't find it right now.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

2011-11-03 Thread Tom Pall

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Alex Stanley
j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.comwrote:



 A friend of mine in FF was diagnosed with ovarian cancer early enough that
 she would have likely survived had she gotten surgery. But, she opted for a
 yearlong death spiral, doing all sorts of new-age alternative nonsense.
 Honestly, I think she really just wanted outta here.


I've driven into Fairfield, hoping to spend a few hours, only give in to
the strong feeling to head out, pronto.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks (cancer)

2011-11-03 Thread obbajeeba

It is a little bit more complicated than that. Food turns to glucose. Most 
cancer patients start to lose weight, wasting disease, so one would think that 
in itself would stop the cancer or slow it down.  
Anti angiogenisis,  seems to be a promising exploration, yet not anywhere near 
where it should be, a cure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiogenesis

Cancer sucks.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@... wrote:

 Most cancers require glucose to survive. Since a ketogenic diet relys on fat 
 metabolism rather than glucose metabolism (glycogenesis vs. lipogenesis) many 
 cancer tumors starve to death or have their growth dramatically slowed. Lot's 
 of research. A very low carb diet can produce this and can be vegetarian or 
 even vegan if so desired.Google  `Flexi Diet' .
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
  
   On 11/02/2011 06:19 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@  wrote:
Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some
quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts:
http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs
   
Lots and lots of speculation going on. The fruitarians are saying he'd 
have never gotten cancer if only he'd stuck to fruitarianism all along. 
The low-carbers think he should have ditched all the cancer-food carbs 
and switched to a ketogenic diet. I'd side with the ketogenic diet over 
fruitarianism, but I really think he should have jumped at the chance 
to have that rare, survivable fucker cut out of his body early, when he 
had the chance.
   
A friend of mine in FF was diagnosed with ovarian cancer early enough 
that she would have likely survived had she gotten surgery. But, she 
opted for a yearlong death spiral, doing all sorts of new-age 
alternative nonsense. Honestly, I think she really just wanted outta 
here.
   
   My brother was never into anything new age but came down with colon 
   cancer at age 52.  The last few months he was into trying anything but I 
   knew it was too late.  Now if he had just eaten the diet he was eating 
   in his last few months he may have never gotten cancer in the first place.
  
  
  It is not only diet that is causing cancer. Lot's of vegetarians die of 
  cancer.
   
  In the seventies, I remember science teachers saying cancers would be 
  creeping up in the next twenty years  or later because of all the nuclear 
  testings and bombs dropped, etc.  I buy this story before the belief that 
  diet causes cancer. 
  Although, I do believe relief can be had for any ailment with a healthy 
  diet and make life feel a bit better. Diet takes the blame out of all the 
  government testings, thereby liability is passed to the individual exposed 
  to all the crap. 
  Another theory is our lives have changed so much due to work, environment, 
  moving around etc.,  that the body is trying to adapt by  evolving at an 
  accelerated rate (evolution gone haywire), increasing the incidences of 
  cancer tumors, (they do grow their own supply of veins). Somewhere, there 
  is an article on the net supporting the later and it made sense.  it is not 
  a mystery black mass like in one of the Hollywood movies I saw. lol... 
  I can't find it right now.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks (cancer)

2011-11-03 Thread Tom Pall

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 6:06 PM, obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 It is a little bit more complicated than that. Food turns to glucose. Most
 cancer patients start to lose weight, wasting disease, so one would think
 that in itself would stop the cancer or slow it down.
 Anti angiogenisis,  seems to be a promising exploration, yet not anywhere
 near where it should be, a cure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiogenesis

 Cancer sucks.


It's supposed to.   It predominately strikes older people.  Prostate
Cancer, for example is in youngsters but doesn't flourish until the
testosterone/DHT level drops below a certain level.  Cancer is Nature's way
of saying you should have died of starvation, plague or some such because
since you no longer reproduce, you're no longer a value to the species.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks (cancer)

2011-11-03 Thread Bhairitu

I haven't kept up on it but back in the late 1970s I looked into the
cancer work of Dr. Kelly and what is now HealthExcel and run by a
former TM teacher Bill Wolcott. They divided cancers groups by hard
tumor and soft tumors. Different body types were prone to getting one
or the other.

BTW, another doctor I went to in the 1980s who was not at all into
alternative medicine told me that the allergist he shared an office with
once remarked that almost none of his patients ever got cancer. He
believed that was because people who have allergies have strong immune
systems since allergies are often the reaction of the immune system on
some allergen. Hence the strong immune system got rid of cancer cells
before they could do anything.

On 11/03/2011 03:06 PM, obbajeeba wrote:
It is a little bit more complicated than that. Food turns to glucose. Most
cancer patients start to lose weight, wasting disease, so one would think
that in itself would stop the cancer or slow it down.
Anti angiogenisis, seems to be a promising exploration, yet not anywhere
near where it should be, a cure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiogenesis

Cancer sucks.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johntjohnlasher20002000@... wrote:
Most cancers require glucose to survive. Since a ketogenic diet relys on fat
metabolism rather than glucose metabolism (glycogenesis vs. lipogenesis)
many cancer tumors starve to death or have their growth dramatically slowed.
Lot's of research. A very low carb diet can produce this and can be
vegetarian or even vegan if so desired.Google `Flexi Diet' .

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeebano_reply@ wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote:
On 11/02/2011 06:19 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote:
Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some
quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts:
http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs

Lots and lots of speculation going on. The fruitarians are saying he'd
have never gotten cancer if only he'd stuck to fruitarianism all along.
The low-carbers think he should have ditched all the cancer-food carbs
and switched to a ketogenic diet. I'd side with the ketogenic diet over
fruitarianism, but I really think he should have jumped at the chance to
have that rare, survivable fucker cut out of his body early, when he had
the chance.

A friend of mine in FF was diagnosed with ovarian cancer early enough
that she would have likely survived had she gotten surgery. But, she
opted for a yearlong death spiral, doing all sorts of new-age alternative
nonsense. Honestly, I think she really just wanted outta here.
My brother was never into anything new age but came down with colon
cancer at age 52. The last few months he was into trying anything but I
knew it was too late. Now if he had just eaten the diet he was eating
in his last few months he may have never gotten cancer in the first place.

It is not only diet that is causing cancer. Lot's of vegetarians die of
cancer.

In the seventies, I remember science teachers saying cancers would be
creeping up in the next twenty years or later because of all the nuclear
testings and bombs dropped, etc. I buy this story before the belief that
diet causes cancer.
Although, I do believe relief can be had for any ailment with a healthy
diet and make life feel a bit better. Diet takes the blame out of all the
government testings, thereby liability is passed to the individual exposed
to all the crap.
Another theory is our lives have changed so much due to work, environment,
moving around etc., that the body is trying to adapt by evolving at an
accelerated rate (evolution gone haywire), increasing the incidences of
cancer tumors, (they do grow their own supply of veins). Somewhere, there
is an article on the net supporting the later and it made sense. it is not
a mystery black mass like in one of the Hollywood movies I saw. lol...
I can't find it right now.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks (cancer)

2011-11-03 Thread obbajeeba

Yee haw for allergies!  Bring em on!

I  and another family member have had a theory and I forgot how and where we 
came up with it at this moment. People who tend not to get sick, appear more 
prone to cancers. I thought about my family members who always claimed of not 
getting head colds, allergies, etc., and each one of them had gotten cancer in 
their years. There is something to that. I am sure. 
Now if I get cancer, that whole theory goes out the window. LOL

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 I haven't kept up on it but back in the late 1970s I looked into the 
 cancer work of Dr.  Kelly and what is now HealthExcel and run by a 
 former TM teacher Bill Wolcott.  They divided cancers groups by hard 
 tumor and soft tumors.  Different body types were prone to getting one 
 or the other.
 
 BTW, another doctor I went to in the 1980s who was not at all into 
 alternative medicine told me that the allergist he shared an office with 
 once remarked that almost none of his patients ever got cancer.  He 
 believed that was because people who have allergies have strong immune 
 systems since allergies are often the reaction of the immune system on 
 some allergen.  Hence the strong immune system got rid of cancer cells 
 before they could do anything.
 
 
 On 11/03/2011 03:06 PM, obbajeeba wrote:
  It is a little bit more complicated than that. Food turns to glucose. Most 
  cancer patients start to lose weight, wasting disease, so one would think 
  that in itself would stop the cancer or slow it down.
  Anti angiogenisis,  seems to be a promising exploration, yet not anywhere 
  near where it should be, a cure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiogenesis
 
  Cancer sucks.
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johntjohnlasher20002000@  wrote:
  Most cancers require glucose to survive. Since a ketogenic diet relys on 
  fat metabolism rather than glucose metabolism (glycogenesis vs. 
  lipogenesis) many cancer tumors starve to death or have their growth 
  dramatically slowed. Lot's of research. A very low carb diet can produce 
  this and can be vegetarian or even vegan if so desired.Google  `Flexi 
  Diet' .
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeebano_reply@  wrote:
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@  wrote:
  On 11/02/2011 06:19 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@   wrote:
  Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some
  quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts:
  http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs
 
  Lots and lots of speculation going on. The fruitarians are saying he'd 
  have never gotten cancer if only he'd stuck to fruitarianism all along. 
  The low-carbers think he should have ditched all the cancer-food carbs 
  and switched to a ketogenic diet. I'd side with the ketogenic diet over 
  fruitarianism, but I really think he should have jumped at the chance 
  to have that rare, survivable fucker cut out of his body early, when he 
  had the chance.
 
  A friend of mine in FF was diagnosed with ovarian cancer early enough 
  that she would have likely survived had she gotten surgery. But, she 
  opted for a yearlong death spiral, doing all sorts of new-age 
  alternative nonsense. Honestly, I think she really just wanted outta 
  here.
  My brother was never into anything new age but came down with colon
  cancer at age 52.  The last few months he was into trying anything but I
  knew it was too late.  Now if he had just eaten the diet he was eating
  in his last few months he may have never gotten cancer in the first 
  place.
 
  It is not only diet that is causing cancer. Lot's of vegetarians die of 
  cancer.
 
  In the seventies, I remember science teachers saying cancers would be 
  creeping up in the next twenty years  or later because of all the nuclear 
  testings and bombs dropped, etc.  I buy this story before the belief that 
  diet causes cancer.
  Although, I do believe relief can be had for any ailment with a healthy 
  diet and make life feel a bit better. Diet takes the blame out of all the 
  government testings, thereby liability is passed to the individual 
  exposed to all the crap.
  Another theory is our lives have changed so much due to work, 
  environment, moving around etc.,  that the body is trying to adapt by  
  evolving at an accelerated rate (evolution gone haywire), increasing the 
  incidences of cancer tumors, (they do grow their own supply of veins). 
  Somewhere, there is an article on the net supporting the later and it 
  made sense.  it is not a mystery black mass like in one of the Hollywood 
  movies I saw. lol...
  I can't find it right now.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks (cancer)

2011-11-03 Thread Bhairitu

Let's hope you don't get cancer. It's a terrible way to go. My dad had
it also but neither me nor my 14.5 years older sister has not contracted
it so far. I'll turn 65 next month and being barraged by companies
wanting to sell me Medicare supplement insurance. The commercial
coverage I've had the last 11 years is about the same as Medicare Part
A. So why should I bother? But the rest of society is programmed into
believing that you must have all this extra coverage. Plus putting a
lot of unnatural chemicals in your body is a good thing. You know the
stuff that has a big page full of disclaimers and side effects on the
bottle or pamphlet you get. And people here worry about some metals in
ayurvedic treatments.

The neighbor told me the trip of her husband via ambulance only cost
them $200 with their HMO coverage and it would have been $20K otherwise.
What! How can they get away with that? Well actually I've heard of
cases that when presented with such a bill the person just offered to
pay them a little more than what insurance would have and their portion
and it was accepted. This is a nation of greed and scams.

Another thing is not to be afraid of death. As long as you are afraid
of death for profit health care has you by the balls.

On 11/03/2011 04:00 PM, obbajeeba wrote:
Yee haw for allergies! Bring em on!

I and another family member have had a theory and I forgot how and where we
came up with it at this moment. People who tend not to get sick, appear more
prone to cancers. I thought about my family members who always claimed of not
getting head colds, allergies, etc., and each one of them had gotten cancer
in their years. There is something to that. I am sure.
Now if I get cancer, that whole theory goes out the window. LOL

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote:
I haven't kept up on it but back in the late 1970s I looked into the
cancer work of Dr. Kelly and what is now HealthExcel and run by a
former TM teacher Bill Wolcott. They divided cancers groups by hard
tumor and soft tumors. Different body types were prone to getting one
or the other.

Cancer sucks.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johntjohnlasher20002000@ wrote:
Most cancers require glucose to survive. Since a ketogenic diet relys on
fat metabolism rather than glucose metabolism (glycogenesis vs.
lipogenesis) many cancer tumors starve to death or have their growth
dramatically slowed. Lot's of research. A very low carb diet can produce
this and can be vegetarian or even vegan if so desired.Google `Flexi
Diet' .

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeebano_reply@ wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@ wrote:
On 11/02/2011 06:19 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@wrote:
Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some
quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts:
http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs

Lots and lots of speculation going on. The fruitarians are saying he'd
have never gotten cancer if only he'd stuck to fruitarianism all along.
The low-carbers think he should have ditched all the cancer-food carbs
and switched to a ketogenic diet. I'd side with the ketogenic diet over
fruitarianism, but I really think he should have jumped at the chance
to have that rare, survivable fucker cut out of his body early, when he
had the chance.

A friend of mine in FF was diagnosed with ovarian cancer early enough
that she would have likely survived had she gotten surgery. But, she
opted for a yearlong death spiral, doing all sorts of new-age
alternative nonsense. Honestly, I think she really just wanted outta
here.
My brother was never into anything new age but came down with colon
cancer at age 52. The last few months he was into trying anything but I
knew it was too late. Now if he had just eaten the diet he was eating
in his last few months he may have never gotten cancer in the first

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote:

 On Nov 2, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Vaj wrote:
 
  On Nov 2, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
  
  Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some 
  quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts:
  http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs
  
  
  Yeah, Jobs (whose strange health habits were fairly well known) reminds me 
  a lot of TM Org and other New Ages faddists: weird diets, odd 
  supplementation regimes, unusual approaches to disease and avoidance of 
  modern mainstream healthcare. Often these are taken to obsessive and 
  excessive levels: worrying about the latest-greatest supplements or dosing 
  up on Indian or Chinese herbs to the point of heavy-metal overload.
 
 It was the carrots-and-apples-for-weeks that
 kind of got to me.  Besides overload, really
 boring.   Probably explain his shifting
 moods too. Not such a great idea being CEO of a 
 major company, holding meetings, etc while you're
 basically starving yourself.  Wonder what his 
 wife's take on all of that including his
 unconventional ideas on his cancer treatment was.
 
  Jobs clearly signed his own death certificate with the strange idea that he 
  could force a rare form of pancreatic CA into remission through diet. 
  Occasionally you'll see someone who gets lucky with such an approach, but 
  almost invariably these types just suddenly disappear. Gone.
  
  The only good news in this case is now I may eventually get Flash on my 
  iPad
 
 Really?  So then they should work with, say,
 Amazon instant videos?  That would be nice.
 Just one more thing to thank Steve for.
 

 Sal

Presumably the $199 Amazon Kindle Fire will also play Amazon Instant Video. And 
for Prime members, much of that library is free. An offer I-tunes lacks (or 
have I missed that.) Amazon Instant Video recently acquired access to all PBS 
content. The expands their library a lot -- for quality programming (should one 
be inclined towards documentaries -- I like a lot of their stuff.) 

Way cheaper tablet, way cheaper content. And Droid Honeycomb looks great.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs Last Words



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote:

 On Nov 2, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Vaj wrote:
 
  On Nov 2, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
  
  Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some 
  quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts:
  http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs
  
  
  Yeah, Jobs (whose strange health habits were fairly well known) reminds me 
  a lot of TM Org and other New Ages faddists: weird diets, odd 
  supplementation regimes, unusual approaches to disease and avoidance of 
  modern mainstream healthcare. Often these are taken to obsessive and 
  excessive levels: worrying about the latest-greatest supplements or dosing 
  up on Indian or Chinese herbs to the point of heavy-metal overload.
 
 It was the carrots-and-apples-for-weeks that
 kind of got to me.  Besides overload, really
 boring.   Probably explain his shifting
 moods too. Not such a great idea being CEO of a 
 major company, holding meetings, etc while you're
 basically starving yourself.  Wonder what his 
 wife's take on all of that including his
 unconventional ideas on his cancer treatment was.
 
  Jobs clearly signed his own death certificate with the strange idea that he 
  could force a rare form of pancreatic CA into remission through diet. 
  Occasionally you'll see someone who gets lucky with such an approach, but 
  almost invariably these types just suddenly disappear. Gone.

His sister said his last words were Oh Wow. Oh Wow, Oh Wow as he looked past 
his family surrounding him, into the broader expanse of the room. Like he saw 
something not apparent to the bystanders. Reminiscent of  other death, near 
death reports. Something roughly parallel when my dad died. And my mom said 
similar when her mom died.

( I know. Sometimes I slip out of rational, empirical mode into sentimental 
spiritualism state. Damn, slap me.)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

2011-11-02 Thread Alex Stanley



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some 
 quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts:
 http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs


Lots and lots of speculation going on. The fruitarians are saying he'd have 
never gotten cancer if only he'd stuck to fruitarianism all along. The 
low-carbers think he should have ditched all the cancer-food carbs and switched 
to a ketogenic diet. I'd side with the ketogenic diet over fruitarianism, but I 
really think he should have jumped at the chance to have that rare, survivable 
fucker cut out of his body early, when he had the chance.

A friend of mine in FF was diagnosed with ovarian cancer early enough that she 
would have likely survived had she gotten surgery. But, she opted for a 
yearlong death spiral, doing all sorts of new-age alternative nonsense. 
Honestly, I think she really just wanted outta here.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

On 11/02/2011 05:57 PM, tartbrain wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshinesalsunshine@... wrote:
On Nov 2, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Vaj wrote:

On Nov 2, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

Yeah, Jobs (whose strange health habits were fairly well known) reminds me
a lot of TM Org and other New Ages faddists: weird diets, odd
supplementation regimes, unusual approaches to disease and avoidance of
modern mainstream healthcare. Often these are taken to obsessive and
excessive levels: worrying about the latest-greatest supplements or dosing
up on Indian or Chinese herbs to the point of heavy-metal overload.
It was the carrots-and-apples-for-weeks that
kind of got to me. Besides overload, really
boring. Probably explain his shifting
moods too. Not such a great idea being CEO of a
major company, holding meetings, etc while you're
basically starving yourself. Wonder what his
wife's take on all of that including his
unconventional ideas on his cancer treatment was.

Jobs clearly signed his own death certificate with the strange idea that he
could force a rare form of pancreatic CA into remission through diet.
Occasionally you'll see someone who gets lucky with such an approach, but
almost invariably these types just suddenly disappear. Gone.

The only good news in this case is now I may eventually get Flash on my
iPad…
Really? So then they should work with, say,
Amazon instant videos? That would be nice.
Just one more thing to thank Steve for.

Sal
Presumably the $199 Amazon Kindle Fire will also play Amazon Instant Video.
And for Prime members, much of that library is free. An offer I-tunes lacks
(or have I missed that.) Amazon Instant Video recently acquired access to all
PBS content. The expands their library a lot -- for quality programming
(should one be inclined towards documentaries -- I like a lot of their stuff.)

Way cheaper tablet, way cheaper content. And Droid Honeycomb looks great.

The Kindle Fire will be running Gingerbread Android 2.33 not Honeycomb.
I just want the Amazon app on my Bluray player and have been waiting
over a year for it. There are almost no devices that have everything
however.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

On 11/02/2011 06:19 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@...  wrote:
 Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some
 quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts:
 http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs

 Lots and lots of speculation going on. The fruitarians are saying he'd have 
 never gotten cancer if only he'd stuck to fruitarianism all along. The 
 low-carbers think he should have ditched all the cancer-food carbs and 
 switched to a ketogenic diet. I'd side with the ketogenic diet over 
 fruitarianism, but I really think he should have jumped at the chance to have 
 that rare, survivable fucker cut out of his body early, when he had the 
 chance.

 A friend of mine in FF was diagnosed with ovarian cancer early enough that 
 she would have likely survived had she gotten surgery. But, she opted for a 
 yearlong death spiral, doing all sorts of new-age alternative nonsense. 
 Honestly, I think she really just wanted outta here.

My brother was never into anything new age but came down with colon 
cancer at age 52.  The last few months he was into trying anything but I 
knew it was too late.  Now if he had just eaten the diet he was eating 
in his last few months he may have never gotten cancer in the first place.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 On 11/02/2011 05:57 PM, tartbrain wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshinesalsunshine@  wrote:
  On Nov 2, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Vaj wrote:
 
  On Nov 2, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
 
  Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some
  quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts:
  http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs
 
  Yeah, Jobs (whose strange health habits were fairly well known) reminds 
  me a lot of TM Org and other New Ages faddists: weird diets, odd 
  supplementation regimes, unusual approaches to disease and avoidance of 
  modern mainstream healthcare. Often these are taken to obsessive and 
  excessive levels: worrying about the latest-greatest supplements or 
  dosing up on Indian or Chinese herbs to the point of heavy-metal overload.
  It was the carrots-and-apples-for-weeks that
  kind of got to me.  Besides overload, really
  boring.   Probably explain his shifting
  moods too. Not such a great idea being CEO of a
  major company, holding meetings, etc while you're
  basically starving yourself.  Wonder what his
  wife's take on all of that including his
  unconventional ideas on his cancer treatment was.
 
  Jobs clearly signed his own death certificate with the strange idea that 
  he could force a rare form of pancreatic CA into remission through diet. 
  Occasionally you'll see someone who gets lucky with such an approach, but 
  almost invariably these types just suddenly disappear. Gone.
 
  The only good news in this case is now I may eventually get Flash on my 
  iPad
  Really?  So then they should work with, say,
  Amazon instant videos?  That would be nice.
  Just one more thing to thank Steve for.
 
 
  Sal
  Presumably the $199 Amazon Kindle Fire will also play Amazon Instant Video. 
  And for Prime members, much of that library is free. An offer I-tunes lacks 
  (or have I missed that.) Amazon Instant Video recently acquired access to 
  all PBS content. The expands their library a lot -- for quality programming 
  (should one be inclined towards documentaries -- I like a lot of their 
  stuff.)
 
  Way cheaper tablet, way cheaper content. And Droid Honeycomb looks great.
 
 The Kindle Fire will be running Gingerbread Android 2.33 not Honeycomb. 

Thanks for the clarification. Can the fire be upgraded to Honeycomb, or is that 
a round peg in a square hole sort of thing?

And the Fire, as I understand, is Amazons quick to market for Christmas season. 
The REAL tablet which they have spend most of their time and resources 
developing, and lots of consumer sessions, is coming in spring 2012. Hopefully 
that will run the latest version of Droid.

 I just want the Amazon app on my Bluray player and have been waiting 
 over a year for it. There are almost no devices that have everything 
 however.


Yes, there are always tradeoffs of features, and of costs. Until omnicience 
dawns, I guess we are stuck with compromise. (Or until the dissolution of mind 
states that see gadgets, including omnicience as substantive.)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

On 11/02/2011 06:49 PM, tartbrain wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote:
On 11/02/2011 05:57 PM, tartbrain wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshinesalsunshine@ wrote:
On Nov 2, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Vaj wrote:

On Nov 2, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some
quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts:
http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs
Yeah, Jobs (whose strange health habits were fairly well known) reminds
me a lot of TM Org and other New Ages faddists: weird diets, odd
supplementation regimes, unusual approaches to disease and avoidance of
modern mainstream healthcare. Often these are taken to obsessive and
excessive levels: worrying about the latest-greatest supplements or
dosing up on Indian or Chinese herbs to the point of heavy-metal overload.
It was the carrots-and-apples-for-weeks that
kind of got to me. Besides overload, really
boring. Probably explain his shifting
moods too. Not such a great idea being CEO of a
major company, holding meetings, etc while you're
basically starving yourself. Wonder what his
wife's take on all of that including his
unconventional ideas on his cancer treatment was.

Jobs clearly signed his own death certificate with the strange idea that
he could force a rare form of pancreatic CA into remission through diet.
Occasionally you'll see someone who gets lucky with such an approach, but
almost invariably these types just suddenly disappear. Gone.

Sal
Presumably the $199 Amazon Kindle Fire will also play Amazon Instant Video.
And for Prime members, much of that library is free. An offer I-tunes lacks
(or have I missed that.) Amazon Instant Video recently acquired access to
all PBS content. The expands their library a lot -- for quality programming
(should one be inclined towards documentaries -- I like a lot of their
stuff.)

Way cheaper tablet, way cheaper content. And Droid Honeycomb looks great.
The Kindle Fire will be running Gingerbread Android 2.33 not Honeycomb.
Thanks for the clarification. Can the fire be upgraded to Honeycomb, or is
that a round peg in a square hole sort of thing?

They should skip over 3.2 which is mainly for tablets and do Ice Cream
Sandwich or 4.0 which will be better for that device. The Fire only has
a 1024x600 screen. But I think the concept is good. My 10 Acer A500
plays Netflix WI and movies from the Android Market at 1280x720p. I can
also plug it into the HDMI port of a TV and watch that way. I suspect
that after sales lull for the Fire in the spring Amazon may make a video
app available for other tablets. MSpot is another movie service
available on Android but I haven't looked into it.

And the Fire, as I understand, is Amazons quick to market for Christmas
season. The REAL tablet which they have spend most of their time and
resources developing, and lots of consumer sessions, is coming in spring
2012. Hopefully that will run the latest version of Droid.

The mobile scene is crazy. Google rushes stuff out and breaks things.
They feel they have to do that to stay ahead of the pack. They also
don't have much senior management and it shows.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote:

 On Nov 2, 2011, at 7:57 PM, tartbrain wrote:
 
  
  The only good news in this case is now I may eventually get Flash on my 
  iPad
  
  Really?  So then they should work with, say,
  Amazon instant videos?  That would be nice.
  Just one more thing to thank Steve for.
  
  
  Sal
  
  Presumably the $199 Amazon Kindle Fire will also play Amazon Instant Video. 
  And for Prime members, much of that library is free. An offer I-tunes lacks 
  (or have I missed that.) Amazon Instant Video recently acquired access to 
  all PBS content. The expands their library a lot -- for quality programming 
  (should one be inclined towards documentaries -- I like a lot of their 
  stuff.) 
  
  Way cheaper tablet, way cheaper content. And Droid Honeycomb looks great.   
 
 Agreed.  We have Prime, and love it, so will probably
 get a Fire as well.  But it sure would be nice to be
 able to also use our iPad for that too.
 Sal


Or maybe cutting board, ping pong paddle, dinner plate, square frisbee, snow 
scapper, paper weight, body armor, target practice. 

Actually, I am thinking about the ipad 3 when it emerges --  1080p resolution 
as I understand -- and lots of other improvements (and curved glass case -- I 
would not pay extra for it, but sounds interesting. ) Or Fire II. 

I have a Dell Streak 7 now (for $150 through a botched 4g t-mobile contract), 
nice, but not quite there.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 On 11/02/2011 06:49 PM, tartbrain wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@  wrote:
  On 11/02/2011 05:57 PM, tartbrain wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshinesalsunshine@   wrote:
  On Nov 2, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Vaj wrote:
 
  On Nov 2, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
 
  Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some
  quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts:
  http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs
  Yeah, Jobs (whose strange health habits were fairly well known) reminds 
  me a lot of TM Org and other New Ages faddists: weird diets, odd 
  supplementation regimes, unusual approaches to disease and avoidance of 
  modern mainstream healthcare. Often these are taken to obsessive and 
  excessive levels: worrying about the latest-greatest supplements or 
  dosing up on Indian or Chinese herbs to the point of heavy-metal 
  overload.
  It was the carrots-and-apples-for-weeks that
  kind of got to me.  Besides overload, really
  boring.   Probably explain his shifting
  moods too. Not such a great idea being CEO of a
  major company, holding meetings, etc while you're
  basically starving yourself.  Wonder what his
  wife's take on all of that including his
  unconventional ideas on his cancer treatment was.
 
  Jobs clearly signed his own death certificate with the strange idea 
  that he could force a rare form of pancreatic CA into remission through 
  diet. Occasionally you'll see someone who gets lucky with such an 
  approach, but almost invariably these types just suddenly disappear. 
  Gone.
 
  The only good news in this case is now I may eventually get Flash on my 
  iPad
  Really?  So then they should work with, say,
  Amazon instant videos?  That would be nice.
  Just one more thing to thank Steve for.
 
 
  Sal
  Presumably the $199 Amazon Kindle Fire will also play Amazon Instant 
  Video. And for Prime members, much of that library is free. An offer 
  I-tunes lacks (or have I missed that.) Amazon Instant Video recently 
  acquired access to all PBS content. The expands their library a lot -- 
  for quality programming (should one be inclined towards documentaries -- 
  I like a lot of their stuff.)
 
  Way cheaper tablet, way cheaper content. And Droid Honeycomb looks great.
  The Kindle Fire will be running Gingerbread Android 2.33 not Honeycomb.
  Thanks for the clarification. Can the fire be upgraded to Honeycomb, or is 
  that a round peg in a square hole sort of thing?
 
 They should skip over 3.2 which is mainly for tablets and do Ice Cream 
 Sandwich or 4.0 which will be better for that device. The Fire only has 
 a 1024x600 screen. But I think the concept is good. My 10 Acer A500 
 plays Netflix WI and movies from the Android Market at 1280x720p. I can 
 also plug it into the HDMI port of a TV and watch that way.

I think wireless streaming from device to large monitors will become the norm 
soon. I have the Netgear thing built into my lap top, Sony Viao. Works pretty 
well, but is tempermental.  Its kind of crazy. My lap top picks up a 20 MB 
wireless wifi connection, which then shoots the HD video wirelessly to my 
flatscreen, and I listen via wireless headphones. (Look ma, no hands.)  

 I suspect 
 that after sales lull for the Fire in the spring Amazon may make a video 
 app available for other tablets. MSpot is another movie service 
 available on Android but I haven't looked into it.
 
  And the Fire, as I understand, is Amazons quick to market for Christmas 
  season. The REAL tablet which they have spend most of their time and 
  resources developing, and lots of consumer sessions, is coming in spring 
  2012. Hopefully that will run the latest version of Droid.
 
 The mobile scene is crazy. Google rushes stuff out and breaks things. 
 They feel they have to do that to stay ahead of the pack. They also 
 don't have much senior management and it shows.

And the quality control on Droid apps is kind of uneven. Some great apps, lots 
of crap. Less so for i-touch apps, but I have some really crappy apple apps too.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

On 11/02/2011 07:17 PM, tartbrain wrote:
 And the quality control on Droid apps is kind of uneven. Some great apps, 
 lots of crap. Less so for i-touch apps, but I have some really crappy apple 
 apps too.

There is no quality control on the Android Market.  It is completely 
open.  You  just sign up for $25 and can upload anything ... almost.  
But like any gold rush there are a lot of people panning.  Some are 
very clever and some are down right amateurs.  The biggest problem is 
the market is so flooded (as is the iPhone market) that you can't sell 
an app for very much and most people just want free ones.  As for 
viruses and trojans I don't understand why Google just doesn't scan 
every submission and alert the developer if they find something.  The 
scan would take so little time and resources.

Amazon tests the Android apps on their store before they are released.  
Selling them there costs $99 a year per developer (not app) though 
currently the first year is free.  However their app store is only 
available in the US.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

2011-11-02 Thread obbajeeba



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 On 11/02/2011 06:19 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@  wrote:
  Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some
  quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts:
  http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs
 
  Lots and lots of speculation going on. The fruitarians are saying he'd have 
  never gotten cancer if only he'd stuck to fruitarianism all along. The 
  low-carbers think he should have ditched all the cancer-food carbs and 
  switched to a ketogenic diet. I'd side with the ketogenic diet over 
  fruitarianism, but I really think he should have jumped at the chance to 
  have that rare, survivable fucker cut out of his body early, when he had 
  the chance.
 
  A friend of mine in FF was diagnosed with ovarian cancer early enough that 
  she would have likely survived had she gotten surgery. But, she opted for a 
  yearlong death spiral, doing all sorts of new-age alternative nonsense. 
  Honestly, I think she really just wanted outta here.
 
 My brother was never into anything new age but came down with colon 
 cancer at age 52.  The last few months he was into trying anything but I 
 knew it was too late.  Now if he had just eaten the diet he was eating 
 in his last few months he may have never gotten cancer in the first place.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs diet quirks

2011-11-02 Thread obbajeeba



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 On 11/02/2011 06:19 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@  wrote:
  Interesting article on Steve Jobs dietary quirks (not too unlike some
  quirks people have here) and comments by nutritional experts:
  http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs
 
  Lots and lots of speculation going on. The fruitarians are saying he'd have 
  never gotten cancer if only he'd stuck to fruitarianism all along. The 
  low-carbers think he should have ditched all the cancer-food carbs and 
  switched to a ketogenic diet. I'd side with the ketogenic diet over 
  fruitarianism, but I really think he should have jumped at the chance to 
  have that rare, survivable fucker cut out of his body early, when he had 
  the chance.
 
  A friend of mine in FF was diagnosed with ovarian cancer early enough that 
  she would have likely survived had she gotten surgery. But, she opted for a 
  yearlong death spiral, doing all sorts of new-age alternative nonsense. 
  Honestly, I think she really just wanted outta here.
 
 My brother was never into anything new age but came down with colon 
 cancer at age 52.  The last few months he was into trying anything but I 
 knew it was too late.  Now if he had just eaten the diet he was eating 
 in his last few months he may have never gotten cancer in the first place.


It is not only diet that is causing cancer. Lot's of vegetarians die of cancer.
 
In the seventies, I remember science teachers saying cancers would be creeping 
up in the next twenty years  or later because of all the nuclear testings and 
bombs dropped, etc.  I buy this story before the belief that diet causes 
cancer. 
Although, I do believe relief can be had for any ailment with a healthy diet 
and make life feel a bit better. Diet takes the blame out of all the government 
testings, thereby liability is passed to the individual exposed to all the 
crap. 
Another theory is our lives have changed so much due to work, environment, 
moving around etc.,  that the body is trying to adapt by  evolving at an 
accelerated rate (evolution gone haywire), increasing the incidences of cancer 
tumors, (they do grow their own supply of veins). Somewhere, there is an 
article on the net supporting the later and it made sense.  it is not a mystery 
black mass like in one of the Hollywood movies I saw. lol... 
I can't find it right now.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs' Last Words

2011-10-31 Thread John

It sounds like he might have been heavily sedated by the doctors in his last 
hours of life.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:

 Steve Jobs last words as he lay dying - reported by his sister:: Oh wow, Oh 
 wow, Oh wow

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs' Last Words

2011-10-31 Thread shukra69

He was probably seeing angels come to escort him to a heaven.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote:

 It sounds like he might have been heavily sedated by the doctors in his last 
 hours of life.
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
  Steve Jobs last words as he lay dying - reported by his sister:: Oh wow, Oh 
  wow, Oh wow

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs / 60 Minutes

2011-10-28 Thread maskedzebra



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote:

 I enjoyed this two part program about Steve Jobs on 60 Minutes; among other 
 things, I found his thoughts, on God, interesting---that part starts around 
 11:50 in part two.  
 
 
 http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7385688ntag=contentMain;contentAux

RESPONSE:
Steve Jobs quote from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson p. 105:

I never worried about money. I grew up in a middle-class family, so I never 
thought I would starve. And I learned at Atari that I could be an okay 
engineer, so I always knew I could get by. I was voluntarily poor when I was in 
college and India, and I lived a pretty simple life even when I was working. So 
I went from fairly poor, which was wonderful, because I didn't have to worry 
about money, to being incredibly rich, when I also didn't have to worry about 
money.

I watched people at Apple who made a lot of money and felt they had to live 
differently. Some of them bought a Rolls-Royce and various houses, each with a 
house manager and then someone to manage the house managers. Their wives got 
plastic surgery and turned into these bizarre people. This was not how I wanted 
to live. It's crazy. I made a promise to myself that I'm not going to let this 
money ruin my life.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs / 60 Minutes

2011-10-28 Thread Vaj


On Oct 28, 2011, at 6:11 PM, maskedzebra wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote:
 
  I enjoyed this two part program about Steve Jobs on 60 Minutes; among other 
  things, I found his thoughts, on God, interesting---that part starts around 
  11:50 in part two.  
  
  
  http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7385688ntag=contentMain;contentAux
 
 RESPONSE:
 Steve Jobs quote from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson p. 105:
 
 I never worried about money. I grew up in a middle-class family, so I never 
 thought I would starve. And I learned at Atari that I could be an okay 
 engineer, so I always knew I could get by. I was voluntarily poor when I was 
 in college and India, and I lived a pretty simple life even when I was 
 working. So I went from fairly poor, which was wonderful, because I didn't 
 have to worry about money, to being incredibly rich, when I also didn't have 
 to worry about money.
 
 I watched people at Apple who made a lot of money and felt they had to live 
 differently. Some of them bought a Rolls-Royce and various houses, each with 
 a house manager and then someone to manage the house managers. Their wives 
 got plastic surgery and turned into these bizarre people. This was not how I 
 wanted to live. It's crazy. I made a promise to myself that I'm not going to 
 let this money ruin my life.


He really was Buddhist to the core, no fabrication with ole Steve. I too found 
this an inspiring piece in Issacson's interviews.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs RIP

2011-10-13 Thread maskedzebra

The best piece on Steve Jobs I have read. You both will enjoy this immensely: I 
make this guarantee:
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2011/10/17/111017ta_talk_baker

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  Dead at 56.
 
 I officially hate cancer more than Al Qaeda.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs RIP

2011-10-06 Thread obbajeeba

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpL6OaL400E

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote:

 On Oct 5, 2011, at 9:17 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote:
  
  He was a Buddhist. Â Many a nutritionist and spiritual person have 
  succumbed to cancer. Â He knew he was dying, but I'm guessing it was hard 
  for him to let go, given the date which he resigned and the date that he 
  died. Â  Cancer is completely unpredictable I have decided and manifests 
  where it can - I remember being particularly shocked that Dana Reeves died 
  of lung cancer at 44, never having smoked in her life. Â I attributed it 
  to stress and grief. Â Life is short.
  
  One cool thing I admire is how hard he ran his life till the end.  He did 
  what he loved till the last minute.  Impressive human.  Today I realize I 
  have absolutely no problems.  Thanks Steve.
 
 Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The 
 round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're 
 not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can 
 praise them, disagree with them, quote them, disbelieve them, glorify or 
 vilify them. About the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they 
 change things. They invent. They imagine. They heal. They explore. They 
 create. They inspire. They push the human race forward. Maybe they have to be 
 crazy. How else can you stare at an empty canvas and see a work of art? Or 
 sit in silence and hear a song that's never been written? Or gaze at a red 
 planet and see a laboratory on wheels? We make tools for these kinds of 
 people. While some see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the 
 people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones 
 who do. - Steve Jobs, Apple Computers.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs RIP

2011-10-06 Thread obbajeeba

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/06/earlyshow/leisure/gamesgadgetsgizmos/main20116534.shtml

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpL6OaL400E
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote:
 
  On Oct 5, 2011, at 9:17 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote:
   
   He was a Buddhist. Â Many a nutritionist and spiritual person have 
   succumbed to cancer. Â He knew he was dying, but I'm guessing it was 
   hard for him to let go, given the date which he resigned and the date 
   that he died. Â  Cancer is completely unpredictable I have decided and 
   manifests where it can - I remember being particularly shocked that Dana 
   Reeves died of lung cancer at 44, never having smoked in her life. Â I 
   attributed it to stress and grief. Â Life is short.
   
   One cool thing I admire is how hard he ran his life till the end.  He did 
   what he loved till the last minute.  Impressive human.  Today I realize I 
   have absolutely no problems.  Thanks Steve.
  
  Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The 
  round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. 
  They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You 
  can praise them, disagree with them, quote them, disbelieve them, glorify 
  or vilify them. About the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because 
  they change things. They invent. They imagine. They heal. They explore. 
  They create. They inspire. They push the human race forward. Maybe they 
  have to be crazy. How else can you stare at an empty canvas and see a work 
  of art? Or sit in silence and hear a song that's never been written? Or 
  gaze at a red planet and see a laboratory on wheels? We make tools for 
  these kinds of people. While some see them as the crazy ones, we see 
  genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change 
  the world, are the ones who do. - Steve Jobs, Apple Computers.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs RIP

2011-10-06 Thread obbajeeba



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
 
  On Oct 5, 2011, at 9:17 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans  
  dmevans365@ wrote:
  
   He was a Buddhist. Â Many a nutritionist and spiritual  
  person have succumbed to cancer. Â He knew he was dying, but I'm  
  guessing it was hard for him to let go, given the date which he  
  resigned and the date that he died. Â Cancer is completely  
  unpredictable I have decided and manifests where it can - I  
  remember being particularly shocked that Dana Reeves died of lung  
  cancer at 44, never having smoked in her life. Â I attributed it to  
  stress and grief. Â Life is short.
  
   One cool thing I admire is how hard he ran his life till the end.  
  He did what he loved till the last minute. Impressive human. Today  
  I realize I have absolutely no problems. Thanks Steve.
 
  Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The  
  troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see  
  things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no  
  respect for the status quo. You can praise them, disagree with  
  them, quote them, disbelieve them, glorify or vilify them. About  
  the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change  
  things. They invent. They imagine. They heal. They explore. They  
  create. They inspire. They push the human race forward. Maybe they  
  have to be crazy. How else can you stare at an empty canvas and see  
  a work of art? Or sit in silence and hear a song that's never been  
  written? Or gaze at a red planet and see a laboratory on wheels? We  
  make tools for these kinds of people. While some see them as the  
  crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough  
  to think they can change the world, are the ones who do. - Steve  
  Jobs, Apple Computers.
 
 
 Rachel Maddow played Job's 2005 commencement speech last night which  
 he did shortly after having been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer,  
 and it the best speech I've ever heard him give.
 
 [Y]ou can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect  
 them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will  
 somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something  your  
 gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. This approach has never let me  
 down, and it has made all the difference in my life.
 
 Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've  
 ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Because  
 almost everything  all external expectations, all pride, all fear of  
 embarrassment or failure - these things just fall away in the face of  
 death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are  
 going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you  
 have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not  
 to follow your heart.  Stay hungry. Stay foolish.


I agree, very great words. Full of absolute truth and value.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs RIP

2011-10-06 Thread martyboi

After the movie Avatar had been released for about a week or so, I decided to 
cut out of work early and watch it at a local IMAX theater. The theater is 
located in a failing shopping mall in Cupertino, and the thought is that the 
theater is going to help revive it. The theater is well attended - the 
stores..not so much.

After the movie was over, I headed back to my secret parking spot, through a 
part of the mall that has very little foot traffic. In that area is a nice 
atrium filled with Ficus trees and showered with ample sunshine through it's 
large windows and skylights.

On my way to the atrium, I happened to be following a middle-aged guy wearing a 
black turtleneck sweater. He stood there for a bit as I approached the area, 
and then our eyes met. It was Steve Jobs. 

I nodded, he nodded back, and I went on my way. Somehow, knowing that we had 
both cut out of work in the middle of the day to see a movie made him seem very 
human, very normal and relatable.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs RIP

2011-10-06 Thread whynotnow7

Beautiful! Thanks for posting that Sal.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote:

 On Oct 5, 2011, at 9:17 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote:
  
  He was a Buddhist. Â Many a nutritionist and spiritual person have 
  succumbed to cancer. Â He knew he was dying, but I'm guessing it was hard 
  for him to let go, given the date which he resigned and the date that he 
  died. Â  Cancer is completely unpredictable I have decided and manifests 
  where it can - I remember being particularly shocked that Dana Reeves died 
  of lung cancer at 44, never having smoked in her life. Â I attributed it 
  to stress and grief. Â Life is short.
  
  One cool thing I admire is how hard he ran his life till the end.  He did 
  what he loved till the last minute.  Impressive human.  Today I realize I 
  have absolutely no problems.  Thanks Steve.
 
 Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The 
 round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're 
 not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can 
 praise them, disagree with them, quote them, disbelieve them, glorify or 
 vilify them. About the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they 
 change things. They invent. They imagine. They heal. They explore. They 
 create. They inspire. They push the human race forward. Maybe they have to be 
 crazy. How else can you stare at an empty canvas and see a work of art? Or 
 sit in silence and hear a song that's never been written? Or gaze at a red 
 planet and see a laboratory on wheels? We make tools for these kinds of 
 people. While some see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the 
 people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones 
 who do. - Steve Jobs, Apple Computers.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs RIP

2011-10-06 Thread richardwillytexwilliams



  There is no reason not to follow your heart. 
   Stay hungry. Stay foolish.
 
obbajeeba:
 I agree, very great words. Full of absolute truth 
 and value.

Is Steve Jobs the last capitalist we'll be permitted 
to admire?

Instapundit:
http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/129195/

THE ANCHORESS:
http://tinyurl.com/43lgxjo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs RIP

2011-10-06 Thread curtisdeltablues

Cool connection.  Curious to the end!



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi martyboi@... wrote:

 After the movie Avatar had been released for about a week or so, I decided to 
 cut out of work early and watch it at a local IMAX theater. The theater is 
 located in a failing shopping mall in Cupertino, and the thought is that the 
 theater is going to help revive it. The theater is well attended - the 
 stores..not so much.
 
 After the movie was over, I headed back to my secret parking spot, through a 
 part of the mall that has very little foot traffic. In that area is a nice 
 atrium filled with Ficus trees and showered with ample sunshine through it's 
 large windows and skylights.
 
 On my way to the atrium, I happened to be following a middle-aged guy wearing 
 a black turtleneck sweater. He stood there for a bit as I approached the 
 area, and then our eyes met. It was Steve Jobs. 
 
 I nodded, he nodded back, and I went on my way. Somehow, knowing that we had 
 both cut out of work in the middle of the day to see a movie made him seem 
 very human, very normal and relatable.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs RIP

2011-10-06 Thread tartbrain

A nice illustration of the equivalence of attention. Wealth, power, fame, 
connections and all are all limited by attention. We are attentive to that 
which has the greatest value to us at the moment (well, given, and within the 
context of, the complex chain and logic of deferred gratification.) 

Steve and you each similtaneously concluded that attention on Avatar was of the 
highest order for those two hours. Steve, with all of his wealth, fame, power, 
connections, cool business, enablers, and all, placed his attention on 
something more, the most for him at that moment. The same object of attention 
that you chose. Brothers of equal wealth.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi martyboi@... wrote:

 After the movie Avatar had been released for about a week or so, I decided to 
 cut out of work early and watch it at a local IMAX theater. The theater is 
 located in a failing shopping mall in Cupertino, and the thought is that the 
 theater is going to help revive it. The theater is well attended - the 
 stores..not so much.
 
 After the movie was over, I headed back to my secret parking spot, through a 
 part of the mall that has very little foot traffic. In that area is a nice 
 atrium filled with Ficus trees and showered with ample sunshine through it's 
 large windows and skylights.
 
 On my way to the atrium, I happened to be following a middle-aged guy wearing 
 a black turtleneck sweater. He stood there for a bit as I approached the 
 area, and then our eyes met. It was Steve Jobs. 
 
 I nodded, he nodded back, and I went on my way. Somehow, knowing that we had 
 both cut out of work in the middle of the day to see a movie made him seem 
 very human, very normal and relatable.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs RIP

2011-10-06 Thread Bhairitu

On 10/06/2011 07:19 AM, martyboi wrote:
 After the movie Avatar had been released for about a week or so, I decided to 
 cut out of work early and watch it at a local IMAX theater. The theater is 
 located in a failing shopping mall in Cupertino, and the thought is that the 
 theater is going to help revive it. The theater is well attended - the 
 stores..not so much.

 After the movie was over, I headed back to my secret parking spot, through a 
 part of the mall that has very little foot traffic. In that area is a nice 
 atrium filled with Ficus trees and showered with ample sunshine through it's 
 large windows and skylights.

 On my way to the atrium, I happened to be following a middle-aged guy wearing 
 a black turtleneck sweater. He stood there for a bit as I approached the 
 area, and then our eyes met. It was Steve Jobs.

 I nodded, he nodded back, and I went on my way. Somehow, knowing that we had 
 both cut out of work in the middle of the day to see a movie made him seem 
 very human, very normal and relatable.

FYI, chances are that at least a couple other folks coming out the 
theater the same time as you and Steve were his security.  He may not 
have known who they are as these firms will get contracted and shadow 
the client covertly so they never lose the feeling of independence.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs RIP

2011-10-06 Thread martyboi


Actually, we were quite alone in the atrium...not that it matters..it was just 
cool to know that the bigwigs take an afternoon once in a while to chill too! I 
call them mental health days. 

My boss and I have a code. When I say I am having eye problems, he knows I 
mean...I don't want to work!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs RIP

2011-10-06 Thread authfriend


Very poignant photo of Steve Jobs and his wife, Laurene Powell Jobs (by
Lea Suzuki/San Francisco Chronicle/Corbis):

 
[http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/fj_zVRnvGalIOlrtTmp2mA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5l\
d3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/technews/th21-630-y\
ahoo-steve-jobs-and-wife-credit_Lea-Suzuki_San-Francisco-Chronicle_Corbi\
s.jpg]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs RIP

2011-10-05 Thread wgm4u



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote:

 On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:56 PM, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
 
  Dead at 56.
 
 
 
  What a shame.  If only he had kept up with his TM and become a TM sidha.
 Then he could have had perfect health like we're all going to have soon and
 be immortal, like we're all soon going to be.


Perfect Health IS possible through TM but the devil is in the details, IT TAKES 
TIME and it probably won't be THIS lifetime!!  A little detail MMY chose to 
overlook. Does that make the claim hyperbole??, probably!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs RIP

2011-10-05 Thread Tom Pall

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 8:20 PM, wgm4u anitaoak...@att.net wrote:



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote:
 
  On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:56 PM, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
 
   Dead at 56.
  
  
  
   What a shame.  If only he had kept up with his TM and become a TM sidha.
  Then he could have had perfect health like we're all going to have soon
 and
  be immortal, like we're all soon going to be.


 Perfect Health IS possible through TM but the devil is in the details, IT
 TAKES TIME and it probably won't be THIS lifetime!!  A little detail MMY
 chose to overlook. Does that make the claim hyperbole??, probably!


No.  It makes it a lie.   Choose the red pill.  The red pill.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs RIP

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:

 Dead at 56.

I officially hate cancer more than Al Qaeda.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs RIP

2011-10-05 Thread Denise Evans

He was a Buddhist.  Many a nutritionist and spiritual person have succumbed 
to cancer.  He knew he was dying, but I'm guessing it was hard for him to let 
go, given the date which he resigned and the date that he died.   Cancer is 
completely unpredictable I have decided and manifests where it can - I remember 
being particularly shocked that Dana Reeves died of lung cancer at 44, never 
having smoked in her life.  I attributed it to stress and grief.  Life is short.



From: Tom Pall thomas.p...@gmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs RIP


  
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 8:20 PM, wgm4u anitaoak...@att.net wrote:



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote:


 On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:56 PM, authfriend jstein@... wrote:

  Dead at 56.
 
 
 
  What a shame.  If only he had kept up with his TM and become a TM sidha.
 Then he could have had perfect health like we're all going to have soon and
 be immortal, like we're all soon going to be.


Perfect Health IS possible through TM but the devil is in the details, IT 
TAKES TIME and it probably won't be THIS lifetime!!  A little detail MMY chose 
to overlook. Does that make the claim hyperbole??, probably!




No.  It makes it a lie.   Choose the red pill.  The red pill.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs RIP

2011-10-05 Thread authfriend

Wired.com has replaced its home page with a very, very
classy tribute page. It's worth a look:

http://www.wired.com

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs RIP

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote:

 He was a Buddhist. Â Many a nutritionist and spiritual person have 
 succumbed to cancer. Â He knew he was dying, but I'm guessing it was hard for 
 him to let go, given the date which he resigned and the date that he died. Â  
 Cancer is completely unpredictable I have decided and manifests where it can 
 - I remember being particularly shocked that Dana Reeves died of lung cancer 
 at 44, never having smoked in her life. Â I attributed it to stress and 
 grief. Â Life is short.

One cool thing I admire is how hard he ran his life till the end.  He did what 
he loved till the last minute.  Impressive human.  Today I realize I have 
absolutely no problems.  Thanks Steve.






 
 
 
 From: Tom Pall thomas.pall@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 5:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs RIP
 
 
 Â  
 On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 8:20 PM, wgm4u anitaoaks4u@... wrote:
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote:
 
 
  On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:56 PM, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
   Dead at 56.
  
  
  
  Â What a shame. Â If only he had kept up with his TM and become a TM sidha.
  Then he could have had perfect health like we're all going to have soon and
  be immortal, like we're all soon going to be.
 
 
 Perfect Health IS possible through TM but the devil is in the details, IT 
 TAKES TIME and it probably won't be THIS lifetime!! Â A little detail MMY 
 chose to overlook. Does that make the claim hyperbole??, probably!
 
 
 
 
 No.Â  It makes it a lie. Â  Choose the red pill.Â  The red pill.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs RIP

Very moving, thanks for posting that.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:

 Wired.com has replaced its home page with a very, very
 classy tribute page. It's worth a look:
 
 http://www.wired.com

[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve Jobs RIP