[FairfieldLife] Re: How long was MMY at university?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- bbrigante wrote: > > > > I never saw the head cook extinguish his cigarette > > by any means other than throwing it in the > > root beer tank > > In the case of A&W root beer, that might *help* the flavor. > ] Iused to think that A&W was pretty good until I tried Virgil's. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying article
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://tinyurl.com/9mso4 > NOt working... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Brahmastan/ Girish Varma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > wrote: > > --- Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > on 2/10/06 1:23 PM, wayback71 at wayback71@ > > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> This web site is a delightful photo story of the > > > >> celebration and trip to > > > >> India for January 12th, put together by a > > > >> Russian Purusha. There is > > > >> running English translation > > > >> > > > >> http://www.maharishi.org.ua/india2006/ > > > >> > > > > The photos were great. But who is Girish Varma, > > > > exactly? > > > > What does he do in the TMO? His picture is hung > > > > on the wall in the background > > > > of a few > > > > photos, and his picture is the same size as and > > > > right next to that of > > > > Maharishi. > > > > > > He is Maharishi's nephew, and AFAIK, he's the head > > > cheese over there. > > > > I get a strange vibe from that dude! > > Me, too. I wouldn't be surprised if that's where > all the money was going. > OTher than the schools, students and stuff shown in thepictures, you mean? Not to mention the stuff that was partly built than torn down by court order? Etc? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Brahmastan/ Girish Varma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > > > > > > > --- Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > > > on 2/10/06 1:23 PM, wayback71 at wayback71@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> This web site is a delightful photo story of the > > > celebration and trip to > > > >> India for January 12th, put together by a > > > Russian Purusha. There is > > > >> running English translation > > > >> > > > >> http://www.maharishi.org.ua/india2006/ > > > >> > > > > The photos were great. But who is Girish Varma, > > > exactly? > > > > What does he do in the TMO? His picture is hung > > > on the wall in the background > > > > of a few > > > > photos, and his picture is the same size as and > > > right next to that of > > > > Maharishi. > > > > > > He is Maharishi's nephew, and AFAIK, he's the head > > > cheese over there. > > > > I get a strange vibe from that dude! > > > His name is on almost every board for each org that files tax returns. > He's also on all the Indian TM sites that mix TM and business > ventures. Yup it's a strange vibe. > > JohnY > A trusted relative (worthy of trust or not) on the board of directors of the founder of various organizations isn't exactly unheard of... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How long was MMY at university?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > wrote: > > --- bbrigante wrote: > > > > > > I never saw the head cook extinguish his cigarette > > > by any means other than throwing it in the > > > root beer tank > > > > In the case of A&W root beer, that might *help* the flavor. > > I used to think that A&W was pretty good until I tried Virgil's. Now you understand many posters here. They used to think that TM was pretty good until they tried another path or set of techniques. It's all about experience... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Brahmastan/ Girish Varma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > wrote: > > > --- Rick Archer > > > wrote: > > > > on 2/10/06 1:23 PM, wayback71 at wayback71@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> This web site is a delightful photo story of the > > > > >> celebration and trip to > > > > >> India for January 12th, put together by a > > > > >> Russian Purusha. There is > > > > >> running English translation > > > > >> > > > > >> http://www.maharishi.org.ua/india2006/ > > > > >> > > > > > The photos were great. But who is Girish Varma, > > > > > exactly? > > > > > What does he do in the TMO? His picture is hung > > > > > on the wall in the background > > > > > of a few > > > > > photos, and his picture is the same size as and > > > > > right next to that of > > > > > Maharishi. > > > > > > > > He is Maharishi's nephew, and AFAIK, he's the head > > > > cheese over there. > > > > > > I get a strange vibe from that dude! > > > > Me, too. I wouldn't be surprised if that's where > > all the money was going. > > OTher than the schools, students and stuff shown in the > pictures, you mean? Not to mention the stuff that was > partly built than torn down by court order? Etc? Enron had nice buildings, too. Mark my words, within two years of Maharishi's death, less than 10% of the estimated worth of the TM movement will be able to be found. The rest will be mysteriously "missing." And the True Believers will believe it "transcended." :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Chaandogya 6.8.7
sa ya eshho.aNimaitadaatmyamida\m+ sarvaM tatsatya\m+ sa aatmaa tattvamasi shvetaketo iti bhuuya eva maa bhagavaanviGYaapayatviti tathaa somyeti hovaacha || 6\.8\.7|| (An a t t e m p t at sandhi-vigraha: saH; yaH; eSaH; aNimaa; etat; aatmyam; idam; sarvam; tat; satyam; saH; aatmaa; tat; tvam; asi; shvetaketo; iti; bhuuyaH; eva; maa; bhagavaan; vijñaapayatu; iti; tathaa; somya(?); iti; ha; uvaaca) 7. 'Now that which is that subtile essence (the root of all), in it all that exists has its self. It is the True. It is the Self, and thou, O Svetaketu, art it.' 'Please, Sir, inform me still more,' said the son. 'Be it so, my child,' the father replied. Wiki: The Advaita interpretation holds that the essentials of 'tat' (That Supreme, which is called Brahman) and 'tvam' (this individual you) are exactly the same. See Tat tvam asi: advaita interpretation. The Vishishtadvaita interpretation holds that this individual soul is a part of the whole which is 'tat'. See Tat tvam asi: vishishtadvaita interpretation. The Dvaita interpretation holds that it is actually 'atat tvam asi', which means You are not that. See Tat tvam asi: dvaita interpretation. sa ya eshho.aNimaitadaatmyamida\m+ sarvaM tatsatya\m+ sa aatmaa tattvamasi shvetaketo iti bhuuya eva maa bhagavaanviGYaapayatviti tathaa somyeti hovaacha || 6\.9\.4|| sa ya eshho.aNimaitadaatmyamida\m+ sarvaM tatsatya\m+ sa aatmaa tattvamasi shvetaketo iti bhuuya eva maa bhagavaanviGYaapayatviti tathaa somyeti hovaacha || 6\.10\.3|| evameva khalu somya viddhiiti hovaacha jiivaapetaM vaava kiledaM mriyate na jiivo mriyate iti sa ya eshho.aNimaitadaatmyamida\m+ sarvaM tatsatya\m+ sa aatmaa tattvamasi shvetaketo iti bhuuya eva maa bhagavaanviGYaapayatviti tathaa somyeti hovaacha || 6\.11\.3|| sa ya eshho.aNimaitadaatmyamidad\m+ sarvaM tatsatya\m+ sa aatmaa tattvamasi shvetaketo iti bhuuya eva maa bhagavaanviGYaapayatviti tathaa somyeti hovaacha || 6\.12\.3|| sa ya eshho.aNimaitadaatmyamida\m+ sarvaM tatsatya\m+ sa aatmaa tattvamasi shvetaketo iti bhuuya eva maa bhagavaanviGYaapayatviti tathaa somyeti hovaacha || 6\.13\.3|| ...and so on Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chaandogya 6.8.7
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Wiki: > > The Advaita interpretation holds that the essentials of 'tat' (That > Supreme, which is called Brahman) and 'tvam' (this individual you) > are exactly the same. See Tat tvam asi: advaita interpretation. > The Vishishtadvaita interpretation holds that this individual soul is > a part of the whole which is 'tat'. See Tat tvam asi: vishishtadvaita > interpretation. > The Dvaita interpretation holds that it is actually 'atat tvam asi', If it was written like "aatmaatattvamasi", it could be "de-sandhied" to "aatmaa + atat tvam asi", but at least this devanaagarii text http://sanskrit.gde.to/all_pdf/chhaandogya.pdf has the words "aatmaa" and "tattvamasi" written separately. (Page 21, the first and second word on the line 21 in the right column). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Brahmastan/ Girish Varma
You mean the business will go into believership? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > > wrote: > > > > --- Rick Archer > > > > wrote: > > > > > on 2/10/06 1:23 PM, wayback71 at wayback71@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> This web site is a delightful photo story of the > > > > > >> celebration and trip to > > > > > >> India for January 12th, put together by a > > > > > >> Russian Purusha. There is > > > > > >> running English translation > > > > > >> > > > > > >> http://www.maharishi.org.ua/india2006/ > > > > > >> > > > > > > The photos were great. But who is Girish Varma, > > > > > > exactly? > > > > > > What does he do in the TMO? His picture is hung > > > > > > on the wall in the background > > > > > > of a few > > > > > > photos, and his picture is the same size as and > > > > > > right next to that of > > > > > > Maharishi. > > > > > > > > > > He is Maharishi's nephew, and AFAIK, he's the head > > > > > cheese over there. > > > > > > > > I get a strange vibe from that dude! > > > > > > Me, too. I wouldn't be surprised if that's where > > > all the money was going. > > > > OTher than the schools, students and stuff shown in the > > pictures, you mean? Not to mention the stuff that was > > partly built than torn down by court order? Etc? > > Enron had nice buildings, too. > > Mark my words, within two years of Maharishi's > death, less than 10% of the estimated worth of > the TM movement will be able to be found. The > rest will be mysteriously "missing." And the > True Believers will believe it "transcended." :-) > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Brahmastan/ Girish Varma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You mean the business will go into believership? Nice one. :-) > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > > > wrote: > > > > > --- Rick Archer > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > on 2/10/06 1:23 PM, wayback71 at wayback71@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> This web site is a delightful photo story of the > > > > > > >> celebration and trip to > > > > > > >> India for January 12th, put together by a > > > > > > >> Russian Purusha. There is > > > > > > >> running English translation > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> http://www.maharishi.org.ua/india2006/ > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The photos were great. But who is Girish Varma, > > > > > > > exactly? > > > > > > > What does he do in the TMO? His picture is hung > > > > > > > on the wall in the background > > > > > > > of a few > > > > > > > photos, and his picture is the same size as and > > > > > > > right next to that of > > > > > > > Maharishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > He is Maharishi's nephew, and AFAIK, he's the head > > > > > > cheese over there. > > > > > > > > > > I get a strange vibe from that dude! > > > > > > > > Me, too. I wouldn't be surprised if that's where > > > > all the money was going. > > > > > > OTher than the schools, students and stuff shown in the > > > pictures, you mean? Not to mention the stuff that was > > > partly built than torn down by court order? Etc? > > > > Enron had nice buildings, too. > > > > Mark my words, within two years of Maharishi's > > death, less than 10% of the estimated worth of > > the TM movement will be able to be found. The > > rest will be mysteriously "missing." And the > > True Believers will believe it "transcended." :-) > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] TM Slang
An idea for a thread, just for fun. We all know that the TM movement is jargon-heavy. But are there bits of jargon that have been twisted over time into fun ways of expressing experiences and concepts that *no one in the world* but someone who has paid their dues in the TM movement would understand. I'm thinking of phrases like "full in the knowledge," which...uh...jiggled its way into conversations here some time back. My favorite was invented by a TM teacher friend back in L.A., many years ago. We had been to see a movie that turned out to be rather long and unfulfilling. As we left the theater, my friend turned to me and said, "Well, that was a real boatride." I asked what exactly he meant, and he said, "You know how it is...Maharishi announces some special moonlight boatride, and you're really looking forward to it. But then you actually get onto the boat and it's cold and damp and uncomfortable and absolutely nothing is happening, and after about half an hour all you want to do is go home." :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Brahmastan/ Girish Varma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > > wrote: > > > > --- Rick Archer > > > > wrote: > > > > > on 2/10/06 1:23 PM, wayback71 at wayback71@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> This web site is a delightful photo story of the > > > > > >> celebration and trip to > > > > > >> India for January 12th, put together by a > > > > > >> Russian Purusha. There is > > > > > >> running English translation > > > > > >> > > > > > >> http://www.maharishi.org.ua/india2006/ > > > > > >> > > > > > > The photos were great. But who is Girish Varma, > > > > > > exactly? > > > > > > What does he do in the TMO? His picture is hung > > > > > > on the wall in the background > > > > > > of a few > > > > > > photos, and his picture is the same size as and > > > > > > right next to that of > > > > > > Maharishi. > > > > > > > > > > He is Maharishi's nephew, and AFAIK, he's the head > > > > > cheese over there. > > > > > > > > I get a strange vibe from that dude! > > > > > > Me, too. I wouldn't be surprised if that's where > > > all the money was going. > > > > OTher than the schools, students and stuff shown in the > > pictures, you mean? Not to mention the stuff that was > > partly built than torn down by court order? Etc? > > Enron had nice buildings, too. > > Mark my words, within two years of Maharishi's > death, less than 10% of the estimated worth of > the TM movement will be able to be found. The > rest will be mysteriously "missing." And the > True Believers will believe it "transcended." :-) > Who has estimated the worth of the TMO BTW? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How long was MMY at university?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > > wrote: > > > --- bbrigante wrote: > > > > > > > > I never saw the head cook extinguish his cigarette > > > > by any means other than throwing it in the > > > > root beer tank > > > > > > In the case of A&W root beer, that might *help* the flavor. > > > > I used to think that A&W was pretty good until I tried Virgil's. > > Now you understand many posters here. They used to > think that TM was pretty good until they tried another > path or set of techniques. > > It's all about experience... > Or lack of experience... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Slang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > An idea for a thread, just for fun. We all know that > the TM movement is jargon-heavy. But are there bits > of jargon that have been twisted over time into fun > ways of expressing experiences and concepts that *no > one in the world* but someone who has paid their dues > in the TM movement would understand. > > I'm thinking of phrases like "full in the knowledge," > which...uh...jiggled its way into conversations here > some time back. My favorite was invented by a TM > teacher friend back in L.A., many years ago. We had > been to see a movie that turned out to be rather > long and unfulfilling. As we left the theater, my > friend turned to me and said, "Well, that was a > real boatride." > > I asked what exactly he meant, and he said, "You know > how it is...Maharishi announces some special moonlight > boatride, and you're really looking forward to it. > But then you actually get onto the boat and it's cold > and damp and uncomfortable and absolutely nothing is > happening, and after about half an hour all you want > to do is go home." :-) > SOme might have enjoyed being with MMY if he was there, and others might have attempted to figure out just what was supposed to be so special about that particular boat ride. Still others might like boat rides, period. On the other hand, some people are never satisfied... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How long was MMY at university?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" wrote: > > > > --- bbrigante wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I never saw the head cook extinguish his cigarette > > > > > by any means other than throwing it in the > > > > > root beer tank > > > > > > > > In the case of A&W root beer, that might *help* the flavor. > > > > > > I used to think that A&W was pretty good until I tried > > > Virgil's. > > > > Now you understand many posters here. They used to > > think that TM was pretty good until they tried another > > path or set of techniques. > > > > It's all about experience... > > Or lack of experience... Exactly. Those who have only tasted A&W rootbeer are not qualified to comment on the quality of any other brand. If they had tasted the other brands and decided that they actually preferred A&W, they would be. But to claim that A&W is "the best," never having tried any others, would be kinda laughable, n'est- ce pas? Do you begin to understand why those who have only tried one technique of meditation in their lives and yet who claim steadfastly that it's "the best" are not taken seriously, or are laughed at? It's actually pretty simple. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How long was MMY at university?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" wrote: > > > > > --- bbrigante wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I never saw the head cook extinguish his cigarette > > > > > > by any means other than throwing it in the > > > > > > root beer tank > > > > > > > > > > In the case of A&W root beer, that might *help* the flavor. > > > > > > > > I used to think that A&W was pretty good until I tried > > > > Virgil's. > > > > > > Now you understand many posters here. They used to > > > think that TM was pretty good until they tried another > > > path or set of techniques. > > > > > > It's all about experience... > > > > Or lack of experience... > > Exactly. Those who have only tasted A&W rootbeer > are not qualified to comment on the quality of any > other brand. > > If they had tasted the other brands and decided > that they actually preferred A&W, they would be. > But to claim that A&W is "the best," never having > tried any others, would be kinda laughable, n'est- > ce pas? > > Do you begin to understand why those who have only > tried one technique of meditation in their lives > and yet who claim steadfastly that it's "the best" > are not taken seriously, or are laughed at? It's > actually pretty simple. Actually the simple part is that the rootbeer analogy is bogus. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] more on poverty, should anyone be interested
I don't think it's much use to tell a poor person that he or she is better off than many people were 100 years ago. The poor do not need history lessons. What really lies behind Shemp's claim that poverty in the US has been eliminated is a reactionary political agenda that is typical of the Bush administration. In fact, I'm surprised they haven't thought of this one, since they do have a habit of dealing with problems by redefining terms and then claiming that the problem has been reduced or eliminated (redefining what is a pollutant, for example, to claim that pollution is being reduced). If you redefine poverty so as to claim that it no longer exists, you can then just let the poor rot, which is of course the real aim of the exercise. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > If your point is that poverty in America is very different from > poverty in, say, > > Bangladesh, of course that is true. It's obvious. Poverty is a > relative concept. > > Yes and no. There is an "absolute" level of poverty that was the point > of the original remarks -- characterized by severe lack of food, > shleter, clothing and transportation, and of course higher level > "necessities" -- healthcare, education, etc. This absolute level of > poverty has been almost eliminated in modern countries. That is a > great achievement given that it has been a hallmark of mankind "forever". > > > > > > if > > you don't have the things that the majority of people in your > society have, and > > therefore cannot participate fully in that society, you are poor. > > So your view leads to a conclusion that there will always be poor, > there will always be a lowest 10-20% in the socio-economic strata. > Several interesting points come from this view: > > 1) It would imply those leading a spiritual and/or ecological > ultra-low consumption lifestyle are "impoverished" -- even though its > possible that such persons are the happiest people on earth. > > 2) The contemporary poor in any age may have access to goods and > sevices unavailable to and even undreamed of by the richest 100 or > even 50 years earlier. Current poor may not have access to all > available modern medications. (Though most/many in US are). Yet 50 > years ago, even the richest had no access to such drugs, at any price. > And most poor have internet access. To me, the internet is a dream > come true of many lives -- instant access to much -- growing to most > --knowledge. 100 years ago, I would have paid a $millon for such, but > even at that price, it was not available. > > > > You ask about deprivations. Lack of health insurance, for one, which > means > > that people see doctors less often than they should do and need to > do, and so > > lack preventive care. Inability to pay for needed medications is > another > > deprivation. Choosing between food and medication is another. > > A choice that was not even available to the richest strata 50 years > ago. 100-200 years ago, it would be great fortune for the (average in) > richest strata to live as long as the average poor person today. > > > >I'm sure there > > are many more. It's called "going without," and the poor quietly > learn to do this, but that doesn't mean they are not poor. > > Going without that which was only recently unavailable to all a few > years ago. > > I bet you would crave to live today the "poor" lifestyle of 50 years > from now. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Slang
In a message dated 2/11/06 5:09:30 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: asked what exactly he meant, and he said, "You knowhow it is...Maharishi announces some special moonlightboatride, and you're really looking forward to it. But then you actually get onto the boat and it's cold and damp and uncomfortable and absolutely nothing ishappening, and after about half an hour all you wantto do is go home." :-) One real subtle one that I still catch myself using to this day is to "take lunch". Nobody "takes lunch" in the real world! They go to lunch, or have lunch! I got the weirdest looks from people when I would say "let's take lunch". I guess you could also include "make a paper". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Slang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/11/06 5:09:30 A.M. Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > asked what exactly he meant, and he said, "You know > how it is...Maharishi announces some special moonlight > boatride, and you're really looking forward to it. > But then you actually get onto the boat and it's cold > and damp and uncomfortable and absolutely nothing is > happening, and after about half an hour all you want > to do is go home." :-) > > One real subtle one that I still catch myself using to this day is > to "take lunch". Nobody "takes lunch" in the real world! They go > to lunch, or have lunch! I got the weirdest looks from people when > I would say "let's take lunch". I think that's a West Coast, Hollywood-type idiom. Also "take a meeting." "Let's do lunch" is another one, but I believe that's also used on the East Coast now. I guess you could also > include "make a paper". > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Slang
Sounds like your colleagues need to relax and let the soma flow...at the subtle level of course. Or simply tell them to 'yogasthah kuru karmani'. If they don't get that, I suspect there is little support of nature where you work and I'd start looking for another job where you can be with more evolved people.Does your building have any south-facing entrances? It's amazing what you can do with construction paper.;-)On Feb 11, 2006, at 9:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 2/11/06 5:09:30 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:asked what exactly he meant, and he said, "You knowhow it is...Maharishi announces some special moonlightboatride, and you're really looking forward to it. But then you actually get onto the boat and it's cold and damp and uncomfortable and absolutely nothing ishappening, and after about half an hour all you wantto do is go home." :-)One real subtle one that I still catch myself using to this day is to "take lunch". Nobody "takes lunch" in the real world! They go to lunch, or have lunch! I got the weirdest looks from people when I would say "let's take lunch". I guess you could also include "make a paper". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Brahmastan/ Girish Varma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You mean the business will go into believership? a Believership so subtle and profound or there may be another round on the new Indian middle class JohnY > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > > > wrote: > > > > > --- Rick Archer > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > on 2/10/06 1:23 PM, wayback71 at wayback71@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> This web site is a delightful photo story of the > > > > > > >> celebration and trip to > > > > > > >> India for January 12th, put together by a > > > > > > >> Russian Purusha. There is > > > > > > >> running English translation > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> http://www.maharishi.org.ua/india2006/ > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The photos were great. But who is Girish Varma, > > > > > > > exactly? > > > > > > > What does he do in the TMO? His picture is hung > > > > > > > on the wall in the background > > > > > > > of a few > > > > > > > photos, and his picture is the same size as and > > > > > > > right next to that of > > > > > > > Maharishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > He is Maharishi's nephew, and AFAIK, he's the head > > > > > > cheese over there. > > > > > > > > > > I get a strange vibe from that dude! > > > > > > > > Me, too. I wouldn't be surprised if that's where > > > > all the money was going. > > > > > > OTher than the schools, students and stuff shown in the > > > pictures, you mean? Not to mention the stuff that was > > > partly built than torn down by court order? Etc? > > > > Enron had nice buildings, too. > > > > Mark my words, within two years of Maharishi's > > death, less than 10% of the estimated worth of > > the TM movement will be able to be found. The > > rest will be mysteriously "missing." And the > > True Believers will believe it "transcended." :-) > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Brahmastan/ Girish Varma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > > > wrote: > > > > > --- Rick Archer > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > on 2/10/06 1:23 PM, wayback71 at wayback71@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> This web site is a delightful photo story of the > > > > > > >> celebration and trip to > > > > > > >> India for January 12th, put together by a > > > > > > >> Russian Purusha. There is > > > > > > >> running English translation > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> http://www.maharishi.org.ua/india2006/ > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The photos were great. But who is Girish Varma, > > > > > > > exactly? > > > > > > > What does he do in the TMO? His picture is hung > > > > > > > on the wall in the background > > > > > > > of a few > > > > > > > photos, and his picture is the same size as and > > > > > > > right next to that of > > > > > > > Maharishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > He is Maharishi's nephew, and AFAIK, he's the head > > > > > > cheese over there. > > > > > > > > > > I get a strange vibe from that dude! > > > > > > > > Me, too. I wouldn't be surprised if that's where > > > > all the money was going. > > > > > > OTher than the schools, students and stuff shown in the > > > pictures, you mean? Not to mention the stuff that was > > > partly built than torn down by court order? Etc? > > > > Enron had nice buildings, too. > > > > Mark my words, within two years of Maharishi's > > death, less than 10% of the estimated worth of > > the TM movement will be able to be found. The > > rest will be mysteriously "missing." And the > > True Believers will believe it "transcended." :-) > > > > Who has estimated the worth of the TMO BTW? > Now there's a loaded question. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Slang
In a message dated 2/11/06 8:58:25 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think that's a West Coast, Hollywood-type idiom. Also"take a meeting." "Let's do lunch" is another one, butI believe that's also used on the East Coast now. Maharishi was saying "take lunch" back in 1970 at least. The Hollywood idiom of" Lets do lunch" came along in the 80's, along with the sun glasses worn over the top of the head, and "have my people call your people". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Slang
In a message dated 2/11/06 9:03:25 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sounds like your colleagues need to relax and let the soma flow...at the subtle level of course. Or simply tell them to 'yogasthah kuru karmani'. If they don't get that, I suspect there is little support of nature where you work and I'd start looking for another job where you can be with more evolved people. Does your building have any south-facing entrances? It's amazing what you can do with construction paper. RELAX? My colleagues, relax? No, they earn money the "old fashioned way". STRESS management means knowing how much a person can take until they go postal. Yes, the main entrance is from the south. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] more on poverty, should anyone be interested
On Feb 11, 2006, at 9:17 AM, feste37 wrote:I don't think it's much use to tell a poor person that he or she is better off than many people were 100 years ago. The poor do not need history lessons. What really lies behind Shemp's claim that poverty in the US has been eliminated is a reactionary political agenda that is typical of the Bush administration. In fact, I'm surprised they haven't thought of this one, since they do have a habit of dealing with problems by redefining terms and then claiming that the problem has been reduced or eliminated (redefining what is a pollutant, for example, to claim that pollution is being reduced). If you redefine poverty so as to claim that it no longer exists, you can then just let the poor rot, which is of course the real aim of the exercise. An important point to make is "poor is a relative thing". I live in a state where many of the people are at the poverty line. An interesting thing I have heard from numerous people who moved "away", out of state, was that 'we never realized that we were poor till we moved out of state.' Within their own milieu--family, friends, social institutions, community groups, libraries with internet, church suppers, outdoors--a lot of home-spun, outdoor or community activity and interaction--these people felt they lived a very "rich" life. When they moved out of state they saw how people used money to entertain themselves or buy devices to do it for them. In some rural areas the institutions and activities that our grandparents would have recognized are still present. One thing that is often missed is how the social interconnections and culture were destroyed in many areas by two things: television and the automobile. People don't talk to each other, they look at the same TV. People don't talk to their neighbors, they drive somewhere. In some poorer areas, esp. rural areas, the indigenous social interconnections are still present and despite low income, these "poor" people lead very rich lives--in many cases much richer than those of the "wealthy". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Slang
I was always uncomfortable using the phrase "sold out" to mean "committed." "Susan is sold out to the movement" was a positive assessment of Susan's attitude, whereas in normal speech, "to sell out" means one has abandoned one's values. Freudian, no? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > An idea for a thread, just for fun. We all know that > the TM movement is jargon-heavy. But are there bits > of jargon that have been twisted over time into fun > ways of expressing experiences and concepts that *no > one in the world* but someone who has paid their dues > in the TM movement would understand. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Slang
On Feb 11, 2006, at 10:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 2/11/06 9:03:25 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Sounds like your colleagues need to relax and let the soma flow...at the subtle level of course. Or simply tell them to 'yogasthah kuru karmani'. If they don't get that, I suspect there is little support of nature where you work and I'd start looking for another job where you can be with more evolved people.Does your building have any south-facing entrances? It's amazing what you can do with construction paper.RELAX? My colleagues, relax? No, they earn money the "old fashioned way". STRESS management means knowing how much a person can take until they go postal. Yes, the main entrance is from the south.Well in keeping with the TM slang theme of this thread, I should point out that not only does your building need some work, these people sound like they have 'deep stress on the level of their nervous systems.' You could improve things by introducing an 'effortless technique' to reduce stress and increase productivity. I would recommend a 'Technology of Unified Field' that way they can come into contact with 'all the laws of nature'. If these people don't evolve, nature will destroy them--and we all know that's bad for business. Vacation schedules could be arranged to allow for "PK"--I betcha they're filled with toxins. :-) It's blocking them from the "field of all possibilities".Jai Guru Dev To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Slang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/11/06 8:58:25 A.M. Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I think that's a West Coast, Hollywood-type idiom. Also > "take a meeting." "Let's do lunch" is another one, but > I believe that's also used on the East Coast now. > > Maharishi was saying "take lunch" back in 1970 at least. Gosh, you mean Hollywood got it from him? http://www.cuisinenet.com/cafe/power_lunches/1996/1-1.html Omigod, MMY's influence has now spread to the *East Coast* as well! The Hollywood idiom > of > " Lets do lunch" came along in the 80's, along with the sun glasses worn > over the top of the head, and "have my people call your people". > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 11, 2006, at 9:17 AM, feste37 wrote: > > > I don't think it's much use to tell a poor person that he or she is > > better off than > > many people were 100 years ago. The poor do not need history lessons. > > What really lies behind Shemp's claim that poverty in the US has been > > eliminated is a reactionary political agenda that is typical of the > > Bush > > administration. In fact, I'm surprised they haven't thought of this > > one, since > > they do have a habit of dealing with problems by redefining terms > > and then > > claiming that the problem has been reduced or eliminated > > (redefining what is > > a pollutant, for example, to claim that pollution is being > > reduced). If you > > redefine poverty so as to claim that it no longer exists, you can > > then just let the > > poor rot, which is of course the real aim of the exercise. > > An important point to make is "poor is a relative thing". I live in a > state where many of the people are at the poverty line. An > interesting thing I have heard from numerous people who moved "away", > out of state, was that 'we never realized that we were poor till we > moved out of state.' Within their own milieu--family, friends, social > institutions, community groups, libraries with internet, church > suppers, outdoors--a lot of home-spun, outdoor or community activity > and interaction--these people felt they lived a very "rich" life. > When they moved out of state they saw how people used money to > entertain themselves or buy devices to do it for them. In some rural > areas the institutions and activities that our grandparents would > have recognized are still present. One thing that is often missed is > how the social interconnections and culture were destroyed in many > areas by two things: television and the automobile. People don't talk > to each other, they look at the same TV. People don't talk to their > neighbors, they drive somewhere. In some poorer areas, esp. rural > areas, the indigenous social interconnections are still present and > despite low income, these "poor" people lead very rich lives--in many > cases much richer than those of the "wealthy". A minister of my acquaintance says there are two ways to be wealthy: One is to have a lot of money, the other is to have few needs. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Brahmastan/ Girish Varma
on 2/11/06 2:31 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The photos were great. But who is Girish Varma, exactly? > What does he do in the TMO? His picture is hung on the wall in the background > of a few > photos, and his picture is the same size as and right next to that of > Maharishi. He is Maharishi's nephew, and AFAIK, he's the head cheese over there. >>> >>> I get a strange vibe from that dude! >>> >> His name is on almost every board for each org that files tax > returns. >> He's also on all the Indian TM sites that mix TM and business >> ventures. Yup it's a strange vibe. >> >> JohnY >> > > A trusted relative (worthy of trust or not) on the board of directors > of the founder of various organizations isn't exactly unheard of... If the "Maharishi has been blackmailed all these years" theory is correct, then he's probably the prime culprit. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested
On Feb 11, 2006, at 10:47 AM, authfriend wrote:A minister of my acquaintance says there are two ways to be wealthy: One is to have a lot of money, the other is to have few needs. Yep, "live simply". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Slang
on 2/11/06 6:04 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > > SOme might have enjoyed being with MMY if he was there, and others > might have attempted to figure out just what was supposed to be so > special about that particular boat ride. Still others might like boat > rides, period. I was on plenty of those boat rides. One time I was in the back of Maharishi's car as we were driving up to the dock. There was a big crowd hoping to be invited onto the boat. Maharishi said to Jacques Verlinde, his driver and secretary, "Make them go away. They can't all come and it's hard for me to exclude any of them." (Or something to that effect.) Of course, Jacques couldn't make them go away, but somehow a boatload of people was selected. This was always in the wintertime, because in the summer we were up in the mountains, and in the winter, down on Lake Lucerne. And it was often at night. I still flash back to those boat rides and cringe when I imagine what would have happened if a boat had capsized. They were always filled beyond capacity, with water lapping at the gunwales, and sometimes the lake was choppy. Of course, the water was freezing and AFAIK there were no lifejackets, or I don't remember any being accessible. If you were in the front of the boat, near Maharishi, you could hear what was going on. Sometimes interesting, but often some boring working session with Geoffrey Clements. But if you were more than a few rows back, you sat there and tried to stay warm. Sometimes more than one boat was hired and the other ones would just hover around near Maharishi's boat. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How long was MMY at university?
on 2/11/06 7:29 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Do you begin to understand why those who have only > tried one technique of meditation in their lives > and yet who claim steadfastly that it's "the best" > are not taken seriously, or are laughed at? It's > actually pretty simple. They quote scientific research to support their contention, but who did the research? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Light in the Georgia Church/Exposed the Dark'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Speaking about the politics and what Paul Weldstone stood for is > not what was objectionable. It was the political attacking the > chanting the ranting and raving and the booing that normal people > found objectionable. It was not a time of peace and reflection on > his accomplishments. It turned into attack on his political > opponents. No class, cheap,and despirate. For an *accurate* account of what went on at the Wellstone (not "Weldstone") service and how egregiously the right-wingers distorted it, plus some comments on Coretta Scott King's funeral, see this piece from the Huffington Post: http://tinyurl.com/9z5up Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested
Complacent advice given by those who have much to those who have little, I'd say. I don't buy this romanticized "poor but happy" stuff. What's to be happy about when your teeth are rotting and you can't afford to go to the dentist? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 11, 2006, at 10:47 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > A minister of my acquaintance says there are two ways > > to be wealthy: One is to have a lot of money, the other > > is to have few needs. > > Yep, "live simply". > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris on Bertrand Russell's "teapot argument"
on 2/11/06 12:17 AM, yhvhworld at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > If a valid retort to Russell has ever seen the light of day, I'm not > aware of it. But no one can claim to have seen the teapot, whereas many claim to have seen or experienced God. Moreover, some say that anyone can experience God if they take the proper steps. So God Realization may be regarded as a protracted scientific experiment. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Slang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 2/11/06 5:09:30 A.M. Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > asked what exactly he meant, and he said, "You know > how it is...Maharishi announces some special moonlight > boatride, and you're really looking forward to it. > But then you actually get onto the boat and it's cold > and damp and uncomfortable and absolutely nothing is > happening, and after about half an hour all you want > to do is go home." :-) > > One real subtle one that I still catch myself using to this > day is to "take lunch". Nobody "takes lunch" in the real > world! They go to lunch, or have lunch! Or in L.A., "do lunch." :-) > I guess you could also include "make a paper". "It was easy" to make a paper? If not, perhaps you should take a "walk and talk?" :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eggs-what Maharishi said (for those who care)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- Alex Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff > > wrote: > > > > > > What physiologically, chemically nutritionally, > > even spiritually, is > > > wrong with eggs? > > > > Nothing, unless you happen to have an allergy or > > other problem with > > them. From what I've read, eggs and whey are the two > > best protein > > sources available. > > But why would you want to ruin your chances? AFAIC, the only "chance" my intake of animal protein might ruin is perception of subtle relative stuff, and that's not a problem for me. The most delicious quality of my "so-called awakening" is the cessation of what I call egoic gnawing, and diet has no effect on that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Slang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 2/11/06 8:58:25 A.M. Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > I think that's a West Coast, Hollywood-type idiom. Also > > "take a meeting." "Let's do lunch" is another one, but > > I believe that's also used on the East Coast now. > > Maharishi was saying "take lunch" back in 1970 at least. > The Hollywood idiom of "Lets do lunch" came along in > the 80's... True. > ...along with the sun glasses worn over the top of the > head, and "have my people call your people". And more recently, carrying *two* cellphones and holding conversations on both of them at once. I saw dozens of examples of this last time I was in L.A. Go figure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Complacent advice given by those who have much to those who have > little, I'd say. Well, not in this case. This particular minister made a pretty good salary but gave most of it away and lived *very* simply. > I don't buy this romanticized "poor but happy" stuff. What's to be > happy about when your teeth are rotting and you can't afford to go > to the dentist? That's a legitimate need, of course. If you have genuine needs like medical care and you don't have enough money to pay for them, you aren't going to be "wealthy" in the sense he had in mind. He was referring to "needs" like a fancy new car every year or a home theater system or the latest fashionable duds or eating out at expensive restaurants. What he was saying is essentially what MMY and other teachers say, although this minister was unfamiliar with the Eastern concept of enlightenment: the less attached you are to possessions, the happier you'll be. (The minister is William Sloane Coffin, by the way, a long-time crusader for peace and social justice and a champion of the poor and oppressed.) > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 11, 2006, at 10:47 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > A minister of my acquaintance says there are two ways > > > to be wealthy: One is to have a lot of money, the other > > > is to have few needs. > > > > Yep, "live simply". > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Slang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was always uncomfortable using the phrase > "sold out" to mean "committed." > > "Susan is sold out to the movement" was a > positive assessment of Susan's attitude, whereas > in normal speech, "to sell out" means one has > abandoned one's values. > > Freudian, no? Indeed. I'd forgotten that one. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > An idea for a thread, just for fun. We all know that > > the TM movement is jargon-heavy. But are there bits > > of jargon that have been twisted over time into fun > > ways of expressing experiences and concepts that *no > > one in the world* but someone who has paid their dues > > in the TM movement would understand. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested
> A minister of my acquaintance says there are two ways > to be wealthy: One is to have a lot of money, the other > is to have few needs. Bingo. On a recent work trip to Paris, my company canceled a meeting and I got a chance to spend a whole afternoon shopping. I returned to my hotel five hours later, empty-handed and ecstatic, because I hadn't seen even one thing I needed. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How long was MMY at university?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 2/11/06 7:29 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Do you begin to understand why those who have only > > tried one technique of meditation in their lives > > and yet who claim steadfastly that it's "the best" > > are not taken seriously, or are laughed at? It's > > actually pretty simple. > > They quote scientific research to support their contention... Or even more specious, quote theory or quote authority. It's Ok, of course, to be happy with the only meditation technique one has ever tried, and incurious enough to never try another. But when you claim that the one sold to you in your youth is "the best" based on what its seller told you and nothing else, I think you've crossed the line into True Believerism. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested
At least this thread has accomplished one seemingly impossible thing -- getting Turquoise to agree with Judy. I wonder how long it will last . . . --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > A minister of my acquaintance says there are two ways > > to be wealthy: One is to have a lot of money, the other > > is to have few needs. > > Bingo. On a recent work trip to Paris, my company > canceled a meeting and I got a chance to spend a > whole afternoon shopping. I returned to my hotel > five hours later, empty-handed and ecstatic, > because I hadn't seen even one thing I needed. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Good Photos of Indian Brahmastan Celebration & Some Movement Facilities in India
Dear Fairfield Lifers, I thought you'd enjoy knowing about this website, offering a photo album of a Russian Purusha's trip to the Indian Brahmastan Celebra- tion in January 2006, and his tour of a few Movement facilities in India. Some questions raised on this list from time to time may be answered by careful observation of the details of some of these photos. http://www.maharishi.org.ua/india2006/ Namaste, Michael PARA - THE CENTER FOR REALIZATION and THE RELATIONSHIP INSTITUTE Michael Dean Goodman Ph.D., D.D., Director Boca Raton (Palm Beach County) Florida * 561-350-3930 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Counseling * Workshops * Educational Sessions * Presentations * Satsang Clients and programs throughout the United States, Europe, and India Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested
On Feb 11, 2006, at 11:11 AM, feste37 wrote:Complacent advice given by those who have much to those who have little, I'd say. I don't buy this romanticized "poor but happy" stuff. What's to be happy about when your teeth are rotting and you can't afford to go to the dentist? There are programs that let people go to the dentist. Medicare covers dental care.If anything there are more people who have medicare/medicaid accessing healthcare than you are aware. And you wouldn't believe the things it covers. In many cases, a poor person with Medicare will have better, more comprehensive care than people with health insurance. It's not unusual to see obese patients who've had multiple expensive surgeries, hip and knee replacements (sometimes multiple times), heart catheterization, all sorts of expensive top-shelf testing, long lists of expensive medications (often hundreds of dollars a month)--and never see a bill. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested
--- Vaj wrote: > > There are programs that let people go to the dentist. Medicare covers > dental care. > > If anything there are more people who have medicare/medicaid > accessing healthcare than you are aware. Medicare reimburses for less than it costs to provide the services. Hence, Medicare patients must be subsidized by paying patients. This works out okay in larger hospitals that have healthy balance sheets, but falls apart with dentistry and other small private practices. Most dentists are very entrepreneurial, working alone or with a partner. They are loath to get paid less than the market rate, for demand is high. Where I live, it's not uncommon to have to wait months for a routine appointment. In the Seacoast Region of New Hamsphire a few years ago, not one dentist accepted Medicare patients, and no one speciazed in pediatric dentistry. For that reason, one of the community hospitals, Exeter Hospital, funded a pediatric dentistry practice that accepts Medicare patients and offers other means for low-income families to obtain oral health care. The hospital went one step further and invested half a million dollars in a mobile dentistry clinic. See http://tinyurl.com/7c75o. Such steps are remarkable, but hardly universal. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Good Photos of Indian Brahmastan Celebration & Some Movement Facilities in India
What are some of the questions? Sounds like more fun than a game of Clue. Sal On Feb 11, 2006, at 10:50 AM, Michael Dean Goodman wrote: Some questions raised on this list from time to time may be answered by careful observation of the details of some of these photos.
[FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't think it's much use to tell a poor person that he or she is better off than > many people were 100 years ago. The poor do not need history lessons. > What really lies behind Shemp's claim that poverty in the US has been > eliminated is a reactionary political agenda that is typical of the Bush > administration. In fact, I'm surprised they haven't thought of this one, since > they do have a habit of dealing with problems by redefining terms and then > claiming that the problem has been reduced or eliminated (redefining what is > a pollutant, for example, to claim that pollution is being reduced). If you > redefine poverty so as to claim that it no longer exists, you can then just let the > poor rot, which is of course the real aim of the exercise. +++ Conversely, The standard for level of cholesterol that was safe was lowered which put many more people at risk. This means more people need more drugs to prevent it. The recommended levels put you at risk, the drugs have side affects, the drug companies come out ahead and, if the program eliminates the older segments of society, it will help the social security problem. Again big business profits and we poor old schlumps go down the drain.N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Slang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > In a message dated 2/11/06 8:58:25 A.M. Central Standard Time, > > jstein@ writes: > > > > > I think that's a West Coast, Hollywood-type idiom. Also > > > "take a meeting." "Let's do lunch" is another one, but > > > I believe that's also used on the East Coast now. > > > > Maharishi was saying "take lunch" back in 1970 at least. > > The Hollywood idiom of "Lets do lunch" came along in > > the 80's... > > True. > > > ...along with the sun glasses worn over the top of the > > head, and "have my people call your people". > > And more recently, carrying *two* cellphones and holding > conversations on both of them at once. I saw dozens of > examples of this last time I was in L.A. Go figure. > +++ Were they driving at the time? Reminds me of the time someone passed me one AM (on 91 southbound into Hartford)Who was reading a newspaper and drinking coffee. Maybe they are highly evolved?N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] NEW, even easier way to write your letter
Title: NEW, even easier way to write your letter -- Forwarded Message From: JFAN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:51:48 -0800 To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: NEW, even easier way to write your letter Dear JFAN supporters If you've already written your personal letter to lawmakers about Local Control of factory farms -- Fantastic! Thank you! If not, check out the Fill-in Letter below. It makes it VERY quick and easy. You can either: Copy it into a Word doc, write your letter between "Dear..." and "Sincerely," and print it out, or Print it out and handwrite the body of your letter, or Just write out the complete letter by hand. Take the letter to one of the drop-off boxes all over town, including Revelations, Econofoods, Everybody's, and 21st Century Books. We will make photocopies of your letter and address envelopes to each of the lawmakers. You can also download the Fill-in Letter at http://www.jfaniowa.org/JFAN-local-control-letter-Fill-in.doc . For Tips and Bullet Points to use in your letter, look at the bottom of the JFAN email you received yesterday. But most importantly: Keep it brief -- a few sentences are enough -- up to one page max. Be heartfelt -- Write about what concerns you most. Please pass this on to friends. And ask your friends"Have you written your letter yet?" Thanks for participating! Together, we can have a say in what happens to Jefferson County. JFAN Board Jefferson County Farmers and Neighbors, Inc., www.jfaniowa.org FILL-IN LETTER: February , 2006 Representative Jack Drake ˆ Chairman, House Agricultural Committee Senator Gene Fraise ˆ Co-chairman, Senate Agricultural Committee Senator David Johnson ˆ Co-chairman, Senate Agricultural Committee State Capitol Des Moines, IA 50319 RE: Local control bill for livestock confinements Dear Representative Drake and Senators Fraise and Johnson: Sincerely, __ Printed name:___ Address: ___ cc: Governor Tom Vilsack Representative John Whitaker Senator David Miller Jefferson County Board of Supervisors To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Slang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > And more recently, carrying *two* cellphones and holding > > conversations on both of them at once. I saw dozens of > > examples of this last time I was in L.A. Go figure. > > > +++ Were they driving at the time? > Reminds me of the time someone passed me one AM > (on 91 southbound into Hartford)Who was reading a > newspaper and drinking coffee. > Maybe they are highly evolved?N. Tell me about it. I did time in Hartford once. No, these guys (they were all guys) were doing this as part of their L.A. café act. I was there to see an interesting teacher, and there was this coffeeshop/ café not far away, right on San Vicente, in Brent- wood. And I *live* for cool cafés where you can sit and watch people, so I spent a lot of time there, writing. And what I noticed was that, for whatever reason, the clientele there tended to do this two-phone thing. They'd just sit there, sipping a coffee, talking or pretending to talk to two different people at once on their mobiles, looking cool. I guess. It didn't do much for me. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Slang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 2/11/06 6:04 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > > > > SOme might have enjoyed being with MMY if he was there, and others > > might have attempted to figure out just what was supposed to be so > > special about that particular boat ride. Still others might like boat > > rides, period. > > I was on plenty of those boat rides. One time I was in the back of > Maharishi's car as we were driving up to the dock. There was a big crowd > hoping to be invited onto the boat. Maharishi said to Jacques Verlinde, his > driver and secretary, "Make them go away. They can't all come and it's hard > for me to exclude any of them." (Or something to that effect.) Of course, > Jacques couldn't make them go away, but somehow a boatload of people was > selected. This was always in the wintertime, because in the summer we were > up in the mountains, and in the winter, down on Lake Lucerne. And it was > often at night. I still flash back to those boat rides and cringe when I > imagine what would have happened if a boat had capsized. ...this story and the way the TMO endangers people's lives makes me think that the Suvender Sem/Levi Butler thing was inevitable and if not a murder or a boat capsizing would manifest itself in some way at some point. > They were always > filled beyond capacity, with water lapping at the gunwales, and sometimes > the lake was choppy. Of course, the water was freezing and AFAIK there were > no lifejackets, or I don't remember any being accessible. If you were in the > front of the boat, near Maharishi, you could hear what was going on. > Sometimes interesting, but often some boring working session with Geoffrey > Clements. But if you were more than a few rows back, you sat there and tried > to stay warm. Sometimes more than one boat was hired and the other ones > would just hover around near Maharishi's boat. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How long was MMY at university?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" wrote: > > > > > --- bbrigante wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I never saw the head cook extinguish his cigarette > > > > > > by any means other than throwing it in the > > > > > > root beer tank > > > > > > > > > > In the case of A&W root beer, that might *help* the flavor. > > > > > > > > I used to think that A&W was pretty good until I tried > > > > Virgil's. > > > > > > Now you understand many posters here. They used to > > > think that TM was pretty good until they tried another > > > path or set of techniques. > > > > > > It's all about experience... > > > > Or lack of experience... > > Exactly. Those who have only tasted A&W rootbeer > are not qualified to comment on the quality of any > other brand. > > If they had tasted the other brands and decided > that they actually preferred A&W, they would be. > But to claim that A&W is "the best," never having > tried any others, would be kinda laughable, n'est- > ce pas? > > Do you begin to understand why those who have only > tried one technique of meditation in their lives > and yet who claim steadfastly that it's "the best" > are not taken seriously, or are laughed at? It's > actually pretty simple. > ...and those that claim it is "the best" are, at best, fanatics. But one would have to virtually try each and every one of the literally thousands of meditation techniques on the face of Mother Earth and have each and every one of them scientifically validated to be able to say which one is the best...and then it would STILL be subjective to some degree. Nevertheless, I have no problem with people saying that TM is the easiest or the most practical technique because, demonstrably it is (or was before one had to become a cult member and spend $50,000 for Vastu living quarters). And I really don't have a problem with someone claiming it's "the best" if they define "the best" and then go on to showing statistics and research that validates that. It's not an approach that I would take and, indeed, I cringed whenever that was done by TMers. I've always taken the tact that MMY took (only that one time!) in Belgium in March 1974 when he said that you can practise 100 different techniques as long as you do TM twice a day. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eggs-what Maharishi said (for those who care)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/10/06 12:12:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > On my TTC, back in early '71, in a big discussion about diet, prompted > as I recall, by Andy Kaufman, who relentlessly pursued this topic with > M, M said, about eggs: > > "One egg in a lifetime is too many." > > > > > So can you imagine all the life times of purification we need for all those > eggs, bacon, ham, sausage hamburgers, steaks we had before giving up meat? > Stop it. You're making me hungry... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't think it's much use to tell a poor person that he or she is better off than > many people were 100 years ago. The poor do not need history lessons. > What really lies behind Shemp's claim that poverty in the US has been > eliminated is a reactionary political agenda that is typical of the Bush > administration. In fact, I'm surprised they haven't thought of this one, since > they do have a habit of dealing with problems by redefining terms and then > claiming that the problem has been reduced or eliminated It's actually the Left and social scientists who have redefined "poverty". "Poverty" used to mean what, classically, poverty meant: the lack of the basic necessities of life. For the past 40-50 years, poverty has come to mean whether one is living above or below the "poverty line". But the "poverty line" is a relative term which only tells us whether one's income is above or below a certain level...it tells us nothing about whether one has access to the basic necessities of life. What I have always tried to do in these discussions is to define what I mean by poverty, by saying that what I mean by it is the lack of basic necessities...and then I go on to list what those basic necessities are. So it is not a case of ME redefining poverty but of society as a whole who have done it. Believe me, "poverty" meant something completely different back in the '20s and '30s even in the USA! Hey, "Grapes of Wrath" was real poverty...and such an experience virtually does NOT exist in the US anymore... And "poverty" means something totally different than YOUR definition in 3rd world countries. Alot of us here have been to India because of our TM connection. Now, I have seen REAL poverty -- real lack of basic necessities of life -- in India. If you claim that our U.S. lower income people are "poor" what possible label would you give to the lower income people in India? > (redefining what is > a pollutant, for example, to claim that pollution is being reduced). If you > redefine poverty so as to claim that it no longer exists, you can then just let the > poor rot, which is of course the real aim of the exercise. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > > > If your point is that poverty in America is very different from > > poverty in, say, > > > Bangladesh, of course that is true. It's obvious. Poverty is a > > relative concept. > > > > Yes and no. There is an "absolute" level of poverty that was the point > > of the original remarks -- characterized by severe lack of food, > > shleter, clothing and transportation, and of course higher level > > "necessities" -- healthcare, education, etc. This absolute level of > > poverty has been almost eliminated in modern countries. That is a > > great achievement given that it has been a hallmark of mankind "forever". > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > you don't have the things that the majority of people in your > > society have, and > > > therefore cannot participate fully in that society, you are poor. > > > > So your view leads to a conclusion that there will always be poor, > > there will always be a lowest 10-20% in the socio-economic strata. > > Several interesting points come from this view: > > > > 1) It would imply those leading a spiritual and/or ecological > > ultra-low consumption lifestyle are "impoverished" -- even though its > > possible that such persons are the happiest people on earth. > > > > 2) The contemporary poor in any age may have access to goods and > > sevices unavailable to and even undreamed of by the richest 100 or > > even 50 years earlier. Current poor may not have access to all > > available modern medications. (Though most/many in US are). Yet 50 > > years ago, even the richest had no access to such drugs, at any price. > > And most poor have internet access. To me, the internet is a dream > > come true of many lives -- instant access to much -- growing to most > > --knowledge. 100 years ago, I would have paid a $millon for such, but > > even at that price, it was not available. > > > > > > > You ask about deprivations. Lack of health insurance, for one, which > > means > > > that people see doctors less often than they should do and need to > > do, and so > > > lack preventive care. Inability to pay for needed medications is > > another > > > deprivation. Choosing between food and medication is another. > > > > A choice that was not even available to the richest strata 50 years > > ago. 100-200 years ago, it would be great fortune for the (average in) > > richest strata to live as long as the average poor person today. > > > > > > >I'm sure there > > > are many more. It's called "going without," and the poor quietly > > learn to do this, but that doesn't mean
[FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Complacent advice given by those who have much to those who have little, > I'd say. I don't buy this romanticized "poor but happy" stuff. What's to be happy > about when your teeth are rotting and you can't afford to go to the dentist? Show me a person who can't afford to go to the dentist and I'll show you a person who is spending his money on beer, cigarettes or some other such thing that should NOT be a priority for consumption in his or her life. And after you weed out the 99 of 100 "poor" people that the above description applies to and you find the actual 1 of 100 that cannot genuinely afford the dentist, I would suggest to you that there are 1,000 dentists within a 50-mile radius of that person who will be more than happy to do pro bono work for that deserving person if they truly need it (and that's assuming there isn't a social program by the government that will pay for it). > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 11, 2006, at 10:47 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > A minister of my acquaintance says there are two ways > > > to be wealthy: One is to have a lot of money, the other > > > is to have few needs. > > > > Yep, "live simply". > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 11, 2006, at 11:11 AM, feste37 wrote: > > > Complacent advice given by those who have much to those who have > > little, > > I'd say. I don't buy this romanticized "poor but happy" stuff. > > What's to be happy > > about when your teeth are rotting and you can't afford to go to the > > dentist? > > There are programs that let people go to the dentist. Medicare covers > dental care. Actually, I think you mean MediCAID -- a poverty program -- which is different from MediCARE which is a senior citizen health insurance program that was funded by the beneficiary from a portion of his and his employers' FICA contributions during his working years (the other portion of FICA goes towards Social Security contributions). > > If anything there are more people who have medicare/medicaid > accessing healthcare than you are aware. And you wouldn't believe the > things it covers. In many cases, a poor person with Medicare will > have better, more comprehensive care than people with health > insurance. It's not unusual to see obese patients who've had multiple > expensive surgeries, hip and knee replacements (sometimes multiple > times), heart catheterization, all sorts of expensive top-shelf > testing, long lists of expensive medications (often hundreds of > dollars a month)--and never see a bill. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Vaj wrote: > > > > There are programs that let people go to the dentist. Medicare covers > > dental care. > > > > If anything there are more people who have medicare/medicaid > > accessing healthcare than you are aware. > > Medicare reimburses for less than it costs to > provide the services. Hence, Medicare patients > must be subsidized by paying patients. This > works out okay in larger hospitals that have > healthy balance sheets, but falls apart with > dentistry and other small private practices. Again, we're all getting our terms mixed up: Medicaid for the poor; Medicare for the elderly (NOT a poverty program)...Medicare pays about 80% of the costs and the beneficiary must either pay the balance himself or take out "gap" insurance to pay the balance. Medicaid usually pays 100% of the cost. > > Most dentists are very entrepreneurial, working > alone or with a partner. They are loath to get > paid less than the market rate, for demand is > high. Where I live, it's not uncommon to have > to wait months for a routine appointment. > > In the Seacoast Region of New Hamsphire a few > years ago, not one dentist accepted Medicare > patients, and no one speciazed in pediatric > dentistry. For that reason, one of the community > hospitals, Exeter Hospital, funded a pediatric > dentistry practice that accepts Medicare patients > and offers other means for low-income families > to obtain oral health care. > > The hospital went one step further and invested > half a million dollars in a mobile dentistry clinic. > > See http://tinyurl.com/7c75o. > > Such steps are remarkable, but hardly universal. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How long was MMY at university?
on 2/11/06 1:48 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I've always taken the tact that MMY took (only that one time!) in > Belgium in March 1974 when he said that you can practise 100 > different techniques as long as you do TM twice a day. Were you on the TTC I taught there with Jack Forem, or were you on the course with Johnny Gray and Clifford McGuire, or on the European course with Vincent Snell and Martin Karklins, or on the ATR? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't think it's much use to tell a poor person that he or she is better off than > many people were 100 years ago. The poor do not need history lessons. > What really lies behind Shemp's claim that poverty in the US has been > eliminated is a reactionary political agenda that is typical of the Bush > administration. When I read stuff like this about the Bush Administration, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. feste37, have you ever looked at the federal government budget? If you had you would know that the Bush Administration is spending MORE of our money than LESS...even on all the varied social programs and entitlement programs that the federal government doles out. It seems to me that you are buying into the stereotype of the Bush Administration as some sort of conservative cut-back-on-government right-wingers when they are the exact opposite...that's why many conservatives are so unhappy with them. We're now over $2.4 trillion in our annual spending as a federal government...WAY more than under Clinton. It's people like ME who want to cut back on all those social programs, NOT people like Bush. > In fact, I'm surprised they haven't thought of this one, since > they do have a habit of dealing with problems by redefining terms and then > claiming that the problem has been reduced or eliminated (redefining what is > a pollutant, for example, to claim that pollution is being reduced). If you > redefine poverty so as to claim that it no longer exists, you can then just let the > poor rot, which is of course the real aim of the exercise. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > > > If your point is that poverty in America is very different from > > poverty in, say, > > > Bangladesh, of course that is true. It's obvious. Poverty is a > > relative concept. > > > > Yes and no. There is an "absolute" level of poverty that was the point > > of the original remarks -- characterized by severe lack of food, > > shleter, clothing and transportation, and of course higher level > > "necessities" -- healthcare, education, etc. This absolute level of > > poverty has been almost eliminated in modern countries. That is a > > great achievement given that it has been a hallmark of mankind "forever". > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > you don't have the things that the majority of people in your > > society have, and > > > therefore cannot participate fully in that society, you are poor. > > > > So your view leads to a conclusion that there will always be poor, > > there will always be a lowest 10-20% in the socio-economic strata. > > Several interesting points come from this view: > > > > 1) It would imply those leading a spiritual and/or ecological > > ultra-low consumption lifestyle are "impoverished" -- even though its > > possible that such persons are the happiest people on earth. > > > > 2) The contemporary poor in any age may have access to goods and > > sevices unavailable to and even undreamed of by the richest 100 or > > even 50 years earlier. Current poor may not have access to all > > available modern medications. (Though most/many in US are). Yet 50 > > years ago, even the richest had no access to such drugs, at any price. > > And most poor have internet access. To me, the internet is a dream > > come true of many lives -- instant access to much -- growing to most > > --knowledge. 100 years ago, I would have paid a $millon for such, but > > even at that price, it was not available. > > > > > > > You ask about deprivations. Lack of health insurance, for one, which > > means > > > that people see doctors less often than they should do and need to > > do, and so > > > lack preventive care. Inability to pay for needed medications is > > another > > > deprivation. Choosing between food and medication is another. > > > > A choice that was not even available to the richest strata 50 years > > ago. 100-200 years ago, it would be great fortune for the (average in) > > richest strata to live as long as the average poor person today. > > > > > > >I'm sure there > > > are many more. It's called "going without," and the poor quietly > > learn to do this, but that doesn't mean they are not poor. > > > > Going without that which was only recently unavailable to all a few > > years ago. > > > > I bet you would crave to live today the "poor" lifestyle of 50 years > > from now. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/gr
[FairfieldLife] Re: How long was MMY at university?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 2/11/06 1:48 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > I've always taken the tact that MMY took (only that one time!) in > > Belgium in March 1974 when he said that you can practise 100 > > different techniques as long as you do TM twice a day. > > Were you on the TTC I taught there with Jack Forem, or were you on the > course with Johnny Gray and Clifford McGuire, or on the European course with > Vincent Snell and Martin Karklins, or on the ATR? > I was actually on a TTC that started in May, 1974 (three months in Murren and then the last 6 weeks in Seelisburg...it was the first course to have phases I and II and because it was new they compromised and let phase II be only 6 weeks for those who couldn't afford the extra 6 weeks). But they played that Belgium audio tape on my TTC and it so affected me that I made copious notes and mentally noted the date and location to be able to cite it at a later date (which I've done numerous times in the subsequent 30+ years!). And Johnny Gray taught our Phase I for about 10 days. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] More fodder for the poverty discussion
From: http://www.lewrockwell.com/fischer/fischer11.html Heartless by Andrew S. Fischer About twenty years ago, I had occasion to work with a computer programmer named Carl. One day, for some reason, we discussed a lawsuit which had been brought against a national toy company. The toy involved was a plastic "sprinkler head," which was attached to the business end of a garden hose and, when the water was turned on, transformed the hose into a kind of whirling dervish, which spun around in the air, spraying water all over the place to the delight of summer children everywhere. Unfortunately, it seemed that some kid somewhere decided to place the device in his mouth, turn on the water and, predictably, the child drowned. Carl had no sympathy. "Culling," he called it. Nature's way of weeding out inferior designs. While I was shocked at Carl's lack of compassion, deep down I had a gnawing feeling that perhaps he might be right. A single kid, among hundreds of thousands, and among perhaps millions of uses of this toy, was tragically killed because he thought it would be fun to jam it down his throat and open the spigot. The thought that this must have been an inordinately reckless, or inordinately dimwitted child, nagged at me for days. It did sound pretty stupid to do what he did, after all. On the other hand, kids do stupid things. Should the penalty for that be death? In any case, we agreed that the lawsuit brought by his parents was absurd. Hundreds of thousands of kids used that toy without a problem; one kid did something stupid with it and died, so that meant the toy should be taken off the market and its manufacturers should pay millions in damages? Obviously not; the fact that one individual out of so many suffered a negative result due to his own misuse of a product hardly rendered that product dangerous, despite the assertions of government and its legal system. Over the years, we've all witnessed scores of cases such as the one noted above. Million-dollar settlements, products removed from the marketplace, idiotic warning labels on everything from Silly Putty to cattle prods. All of this to prevent people from doing stupid things and making foolish choices. Yet people continue acting stupidly, not just in regard to consumer items, but in all aspects of their lives. They smoke (sucking a solid into their lungs), damaging their health. They overeat, and don't exercise, ditto. They spend too much money and have more children than they can afford. This is all called freedom, and people can do whatever they want to do to themselves, as far as I'm concerned (but they shouldn't go begging to the state when they find they've screwed up, of course). Culling, he called it. Social Darwinism at its most brutal. It's not that I don't have sympathy for people in dire straits, or even those in simple need. When I encounter a homeless person on the street, for example, I recognize that under different circumstances that could be me. I typically feel a ripple of sorrow, and sometimes hand over a dollar (although I fully suspect it will be used for alcohol, or worse). At the mall a few years ago while waiting for the elevator, I found myself standing across from a boy in his late teens in a wheelchair. He wasn't a bad-looking kid, but from his speech and mannerisms I realized he'd never have a normal life. Somehow this brought tears to my eyes and I had to walk away. This kind of thing doesn't happen to me often, but it's necessary that I mention that little story because of what I must write next. You see, I've reached the point where I have to agree with Carl. This is an unpopular position, to be sure. When discussing it with friends, it always ends up with my being labeled a hard-hearted hater of poor people. With me supposedly caring not a whit about all the children who never had the advantages I had. I'll admit I was fortunate enough to have had good parents, a husband and wife who loved each other, worked hard together, and tried their best to provide my brother and me with a decent lower-middle class existence. They made sure I did my homework and do as well as I could in school. Yes, they scraped together enough dollars and paid my tuition at an unexceptional, mid-city "commuter college" (in an era when, fortunately, it cost just $300 per semester), and they were supportive in many ways when I foundered in my career and my life. While these don't seem to me to be extraordinary advantages, this is obviously better than having parents who are alcoholics, who are constantly fighting, who don't care about their kids, who berate them or beat them, who let them run around unsupervised so they can get in trouble, do poorly in school and fail to develop basic common sense or an ethical system, or the ability to solve the slightest of problems, or gain any skills for earning a living. Certainly most kids from such an environment will
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Slang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > < in response to a story about overloaded boats > > ...this story and the way the TMO endangers people's lives > makes me think that the Suvender Sem/Levi Butler thing was > inevitable and if not a murder or a boat capsizing would > manifest itself in some way at some point. I don't think Maharishi ever considered the possibility of an accident on the boatrides or a student at his university losing it so badly he commits a murder, or someone setting fire to themselves in a basement room. His world view, if he believes what he tells us, just wouldn't allow it. If he believes that TM is, as he said to us, "100% life supporting," then what could possibly go wrong? Alas, this optimism has not always worked out. Interestingly enough, the fellow I studied with for some time, Rama, was almost always conscientious about making sure his students were safe. When we'd go out into the desert at night, 100s of us at a time, there would always be a doctor present and (although we all walked) a four-wheel drive vehicle available for emergencies. Whatever negatives one can say about him, that was one of his positives. And again, I think the difference between the two approaches has to do with philosophy -- Rama was open to the possibility that nature *doesn't* always support, so you should be prepared for those occasions in which it doesn't. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More fodder for the poverty discussion
Have we been *that* boring, Shemp? :-) I wouldn't touch this one with a ten-foot pole. I'm trying to cut down on my posting, not get involved in the Shootout at the PK Corral. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: http://www.lewrockwell.com/fischer/fischer11.html > > > Heartless > by Andrew S. Fischer > > > About twenty years ago, I had occasion to work with a computer > programmer named Carl. One day, for some reason, we discussed a > lawsuit which had been brought against a national toy company. The > toy involved was a plastic "sprinkler head," which was attached to > the business end of a garden hose and, when the water was turned on, > transformed the hose into a kind of whirling dervish, which spun > around in the air, spraying water all over the place to the delight > of summer children everywhere. Unfortunately, it seemed that some > kid somewhere decided to place the device in his mouth, turn on the > water and, predictably, the child drowned. > > Carl had no sympathy. "Culling," he called it. Nature's way of > weeding out inferior designs. While I was shocked at Carl's lack of > compassion, deep down I had a gnawing feeling that perhaps he might > be right. A single kid, among hundreds of thousands, and among > perhaps millions of uses of this toy, was tragically killed because > he thought it would be fun to jam it down his throat and open the > spigot. The thought that this must have been an inordinately > reckless, or inordinately dimwitted child, nagged at me for days. It > did sound pretty stupid to do what he did, after all. On the other > hand, kids do stupid things. Should the penalty for that be death? > In any case, we agreed that the lawsuit brought by his parents was > absurd. Hundreds of thousands of kids used that toy without a > problem; one kid did something stupid with it and died, so that > meant the toy should be taken off the market and its manufacturers > should pay millions in damages? Obviously not; the fact that one > individual out of so many suffered a negative result due to his own > misuse of a product hardly rendered that product dangerous, despite > the assertions of government and its legal system. > > Over the years, we've all witnessed scores of cases such as the one > noted above. Million-dollar settlements, products removed from the > marketplace, idiotic warning labels on everything from Silly Putty > to cattle prods. All of this to prevent people from doing stupid > things and making foolish choices. Yet people continue acting > stupidly, not just in regard to consumer items, but in all aspects > of their lives. They smoke (sucking a solid into their lungs), > damaging their health. They overeat, and don't exercise, ditto. They > spend too much money and have more children than they can afford. > This is all called freedom, and people can do whatever they want to > do to themselves, as far as I'm concerned (but they shouldn't go > begging to the state when they find they've screwed up, of course). > > Culling, he called it. Social Darwinism at its most brutal. It's not > that I don't have sympathy for people in dire straits, or even those > in simple need. When I encounter a homeless person on the street, > for example, I recognize that under different circumstances that > could be me. I typically feel a ripple of sorrow, and sometimes hand > over a dollar (although I fully suspect it will be used for alcohol, > or worse). At the mall a few years ago while waiting for the > elevator, I found myself standing across from a boy in his late > teens in a wheelchair. He wasn't a bad-looking kid, but from his > speech and mannerisms I realized he'd never have a normal life. > Somehow this brought tears to my eyes and I had to walk away. This > kind of thing doesn't happen to me often, but it's necessary that I > mention that little story because of what I must write next. > > You see, I've reached the point where I have to agree with Carl. > This is an unpopular position, to be sure. When discussing it with > friends, it always ends up with my being labeled a hard-hearted > hater of poor people. With me supposedly caring not a whit about all > the children who never had the advantages I had. I'll admit I was > fortunate enough to have had good parents, a husband and wife who > loved each other, worked hard together, and tried their best to > provide my brother and me with a decent lower-middle class > existence. They made sure I did my homework and do as well as I > could in school. Yes, they scraped together enough dollars and paid > my tuition at an unexceptional, mid-city "commuter college" (in an > era when, fortunately, it cost just $300 per semester), and they > were supportive in many ways when I foundered in my career and my > life. > > While these don't seem to me to be extraordinary advantages, th
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Brahmastan/ Girish Varma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 2/11/06 2:31 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > The photos were great. But who is Girish Varma, > exactly? > > What does he do in the TMO? His picture is hung > on the wall in the background > > of a few > > photos, and his picture is the same size as and > right next to that of > > Maharishi. > > He is Maharishi's nephew, and AFAIK, he's the head > cheese over there. > >>> > >>> I get a strange vibe from that dude! > >>> > >> His name is on almost every board for each org that files tax > > returns. > >> He's also on all the Indian TM sites that mix TM and business > >> ventures. Yup it's a strange vibe. > >> > >> JohnY > >> > > > > A trusted relative (worthy of trust or not) on the board of directors > > of the founder of various organizations isn't exactly unheard of... > > If the "Maharishi has been blackmailed all these years" theory is correct, > then he's probably the prime culprit. > I've never really heard that theory before. Manipulted yes, blackmailed that's new to me. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Slang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > wrote: > > > > I was always uncomfortable using the phrase > > "sold out" to mean "committed." > > > > "Susan is sold out to the movement" was a > > positive assessment of Susan's attitude, whereas > > in normal speech, "to sell out" means one has > > abandoned one's values. > > > > Freudian, no? > > Indeed. I'd forgotten that one. > Probably just means that her cards are maxed and the house is mortgaged and she's trying to get on the next course ... :-() Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How long was MMY at university?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" wrote: > > > > > > --- bbrigante wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never saw the head cook extinguish his cigarette > > > > > > > by any means other than throwing it in the > > > > > > > root beer tank > > > > > > > > > > > > In the case of A&W root beer, that might *help* the flavor. > > > > > > > > > > I used to think that A&W was pretty good until I tried > > > > > Virgil's. > > > > > > > > Now you understand many posters here. They used to > > > > think that TM was pretty good until they tried another > > > > path or set of techniques. > > > > > > > > It's all about experience... > > > > > > Or lack of experience... > > > > Exactly. Those who have only tasted A&W rootbeer > > are not qualified to comment on the quality of any > > other brand. > > > > If they had tasted the other brands and decided > > that they actually preferred A&W, they would be. > > But to claim that A&W is "the best," never having > > tried any others, would be kinda laughable, n'est- > > ce pas? > > > > Do you begin to understand why those who have only > > tried one technique of meditation in their lives > > and yet who claim steadfastly that it's "the best" > > are not taken seriously, or are laughed at? It's > > actually pretty simple. > > > > ...and those that claim it is "the best" are, at best, fanatics. > > But one would have to virtually try each and every one of the > literally thousands of meditation techniques on the face of Mother > Earth and have each and every one of them scientifically validated > to be able to say which one is the best...and then it would STILL be > subjective to some degree. > > Nevertheless, I have no problem with people saying that TM is the > easiest or the most practical technique because, demonstrably it is > (or was before one had to become a cult member and spend $50,000 for > Vastu living quarters). > > And I really don't have a problem with someone claiming it's "the > best" if they define "the best" and then go on to showing statistics > and research that validates that. It's not an approach that I would > take and, indeed, I cringed whenever that was done by TMers. > > I've always taken the tact that MMY took (only that one time!) in > Belgium in March 1974 when he said that you can practise 100 > different techniques as long as you do TM twice a day. > I'd like to hear about some other 'good' ones JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > I don't think it's much use to tell a poor person that he or she > is better off than > > many people were 100 years ago. The poor do not need history > lessons. > > What really lies behind Shemp's claim that poverty in the US has > been > > eliminated is a reactionary political agenda that is typical of > the Bush > > administration. > > > > > > When I read stuff like this about the Bush Administration, I don't > know whether to laugh or cry. > > feste37, have you ever looked at the federal government budget? If > you had you would know that the Bush Administration is spending MORE > of our money than LESS...even on all the varied social programs and > entitlement programs that the federal government doles out. > > It seems to me that you are buying into the stereotype of the Bush > Administration as some sort of conservative cut-back-on-government > right-wingers when they are the exact opposite...that's why many > conservatives are so unhappy with them. > > We're now over $2.4 trillion in our annual spending as a federal > government...WAY more than under Clinton. > > It's people like ME who want to cut back on all those social > programs, NOT people like Bush. > > It always kills me that newspeak defines a 'cut' as a reduction in the rate of growth in the budget. Just another subtlety of the age of enlightenment, I guess. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Brahmastan/ Girish Varma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 2/11/06 2:31 AM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: > > > > > The photos were great. But who is Girish Varma, > > exactly? > > > What does he do in the TMO? His picture is hung > > on the wall in the background > > > of a few > > > photos, and his picture is the same size as and > > right next to that of > > > Maharishi. > > > > He is Maharishi's nephew, and AFAIK, he's the head > > cheese over there. > > >>> > > >>> I get a strange vibe from that dude! > > >>> > > >> His name is on almost every board for each org that files tax > > > returns. > > >> He's also on all the Indian TM sites that mix TM and business > > >> ventures. Yup it's a strange vibe. > > >> > > >> JohnY > > >> > > > > > > A trusted relative (worthy of trust or not) on the board of directors > > > of the founder of various organizations isn't exactly unheard of... > > > > If the "Maharishi has been blackmailed all these years" theory is > correct, > > then he's probably the prime culprit. > > > > I've never really heard that theory before. Manipulted yes, > blackmailed that's new to me. > > JohnY I do not think MMy has been blackmailed or manipulated. I think he knew what he was doing when it cames to money. In the 60ths 50 % of all initiation fees was sent to India. You do not need to be psycic to figure out - that the money had do go into some bank-account that someone own. And I think that the only ones that he trusted was/ is his family. The whole thing has been / is family business. We thought that we - the TM-Teachers - was his family - we were not. Ingegerd > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Brahmastan/ Girish Varma
on 2/11/06 3:55 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I've never really heard that theory before. Manipulted yes, > blackmailed that's new to me. It's just a theory... That perhaps his India family mafia told him to keep the cash coming or they'd reveal some info that Maharishi would find embarrassing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] TMO Legal: Cease and desist Letter?
Forwarded Message From: Mike Scozzari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:26:47 -0800 To: Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: TMO Legal: Cease and desist Letter? Hi Rick If possible, please post on Fairfield life. This is the most recentl letter i received from the TMO. According to one attorney, it's mostly saber rattling. Mike Shuttleworth Ingersoll, p.l.c. V.C. Shuttleworth 1900-1965 T.M. Ingersoll 1902-1972 Mi William R. Shuttleworth James C. Nemmers February 11, 2006 VIA EMAIL FEDEX & CERTIFIED MAIL Mr. Mike Scozzari Deerfield Beach, FL 33442 Dear Mr. Scozzari: As you know, we represent Maharishi Foundation, Ltd. and its licensees (³Foundation²) who own all the rights in the United States to the federally registered service marks ³Transcendental Meditation², ³Maharishi² and ³TM² (³service marks²). We wrote to you in a letter dated November 10, 2005, demanding that you take the following action within seven business days of receipt of our letter: 1.Cease all use, reproduction or publication of the Foundation¹s service marks ³Transcendental Meditation², ³TM² and ³Maharishi² as well as any other registered marks of the Foundation in the marketing of any services or goods in the United States. This includes immediately taking action to discontinue the use of these service marks: (a) in any and all advertising, marketing or promotional activities and materials in all media including, but not limited to print and online materials, URLs, email addresses, telephone listings, brochures, newsletters, and emails; and (b) in any and all educational, teaching or instructional activities and materials in any medium, including but not limited to print, tape, DVD, CE, video, audio, or any other electronic form. 2.Destroy all existing materials listed in 1(a) and (b) that are in your control. 3.Transmit immediately in electronic and regular mail to all those to whom you have provided or promoted your instruction in the ³Transcendental Meditation² or ³TM² the following notice: Please be advised that I am no longer licensed or certified to teach the ³Transcendental Meditation² or ³TM² program. Should you wish certified and authorized instruction, follow up instruction or other courses involving Maharishi¹s programs in Florida you should contact the certified ³Transcendental Meditation² center by phone at 561-994-6990 or go to the web site: http://tm.org/learn/where/states/florida.html 4.Remove all telephone directory listings which use the Foundation¹s service marks and disconnect all such phone lines directed to the listed numbers. You have not responded to our letters, and we have been advised by our client that you have not taken any steps to comply with our demands. Therefore, unless you immediatelycomply with our demands and no later than seven (7) business from the receipt of this letter by you, the attached Complaint will be filed in federal court in Florida, our client intends to add to the Complaint counts for violation of Florida state statutes and common law principles. Please confirm by telephone or email to the undersigned that you are taking steps to comply with our demands and then notify the undersigned when all the actions have been completed. Thank you for your anticipated co-operation. Very truly yours, JAMES C. NEMMERS [EMAIL PROTECTED] JCN:dlr Cc:Andrew McFarlane, Esq. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ image.tiff Description: Binary data image.tiff Description: Binary data
[FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested
I knew it would get around to this pretty quickly: the poor spend their money on booze and cigarettes and on other stuff that they "shouldn't" buy. They should really be more responsible, just like we are (who do not have to put up with their privations). And as for the 1,000 dentists within a 50-mile radius who would be happy to treat the "deserving" poor for free -- that's a good one! Where on earth do you live, Shemp? Is this another Texan fantasy? And who decides who is "deserving"? Do YOU have to prove you are "deserving" when you get health care? Do YOU have to prove you don't smoke or drink? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > Complacent advice given by those who have much to those who have > little, > > I'd say. I don't buy this romanticized "poor but happy" stuff. > What's to be happy > > about when your teeth are rotting and you can't afford to go to > the dentist? > > > > > Show me a person who can't afford to go to the dentist and I'll show > you a person who is spending his money on beer, cigarettes or some > other such thing that should NOT be a priority for consumption in > his or her life. > > And after you weed out the 99 of 100 "poor" people that the above > description applies to and you find the actual 1 of 100 that cannot > genuinely afford the dentist, I would suggest to you that there are > 1,000 dentists within a 50-mile radius of that person who will be > more than happy to do pro bono work for that deserving person if > they truly need it (and that's assuming there isn't a social program > by the government that will pay for it). > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Feb 11, 2006, at 10:47 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > A minister of my acquaintance says there are two ways > > > > to be wealthy: One is to have a lot of money, the other > > > > is to have few needs. > > > > > > Yep, "live simply". > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Slang
In a message dated 2/11/06 9:28:27 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well in keeping with the TM slang theme of this thread, I should point out that not only does your building need some work, these people sound like they have 'deep stress on the level of their nervous systems.' You could improve things by introducing an 'effortless technique' to reduce stress and increase productivity. I would recommend a 'Technology of Unified Field' that way they can come into contact with 'all the laws of nature'. If these people don't evolve, nature will destroy them--and we all know that's bad for business. Vacation schedules could be arranged to allow for "PK"--I betcha they're filled with toxins. :-) It's blocking them from the "field of all possibilities". I especially like the part about "living in harmony with all the laws of nature", sounds so native american! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Slang
In a message dated 2/11/06 9:47:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Maharishi was saying "take lunch" back in 1970 at least.Gosh, you mean Hollywood got it from him? Isn't that horrible! LOL! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Slang
In a message dated 2/11/06 10:26:42 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And more recently, carrying *two* cellphones and holdingconversations on both of them at once. I saw dozens ofexamples of this last time I was in L.A. Go figure. THIS will cause schizophrenia! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I knew it would get around to this pretty quickly: the poor spend their money > on booze and cigarettes and on other stuff that they "shouldn't" buy. They > should really be more responsible, just like we are (who do not have to put up > with their privations). And as for the 1,000 dentists within a 50- mile radius who > would be happy to treat the "deserving" poor for free -- that's a good one! > Where on earth do you live, Shemp? Is this another Texan fantasy? And who > decides who is "deserving"? Do YOU have to prove you are "deserving" when > you get health care? Do YOU have to prove you don't smoke or drink? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > > > Complacent advice given by those who have much to those who have > > little, > > > I'd say. I don't buy this romanticized "poor but happy" stuff. > > What's to be happy > > > about when your teeth are rotting and you can't afford to go to > > the dentist? > > > > > > > > > > Show me a person who can't afford to go to the dentist and I'll show > > you a person who is spending his money on beer, cigarettes or some > > other such thing that should NOT be a priority for consumption in > > his or her life. > > > > And after you weed out the 99 of 100 "poor" people that the above > > description applies to and you find the actual 1 of 100 that cannot > > genuinely afford the dentist, I would suggest to you that there are > > 1,000 dentists within a 50-mile radius of that person who will be > > more than happy to do pro bono work for that deserving person if > > they truly need it (and that's assuming there isn't a social program > > by the government that will pay for it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 11, 2006, at 10:47 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > > > A minister of my acquaintance says there are two ways > > > > > to be wealthy: One is to have a lot of money, the other > > > > > is to have few needs. > > > > > > > > Yep, "live simply". > > > > > > > > > > * http://arts.bev.net/roperldavid/politics/inequality.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I knew it would get around to this pretty quickly: the poor spend their money > on booze and cigarettes and on other stuff that they "shouldn't" buy. They > should really be more responsible, just like we are (who do not have to put up > with their privations). And as for the 1,000 dentists within a 50- mile radius who > would be happy to treat the "deserving" poor for free -- that's a good one! > Where on earth do you live, Shemp? Is this another Texan fantasy? And who > decides who is "deserving"? Do YOU have to prove you are "deserving" when > you get health care? Do YOU have to prove you don't smoke or drink? Tell you what, feste37, you answer my questions about the definition of poverty and then I'll get around to answering YOUR question. And I'm not trying to just play and game of tit-for-tat with you; the definition of poverty really is at the heart of this debate. I have no idea what you mean by "poverty" whereas you know what I mean (because I've given you my definition). > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > > > Complacent advice given by those who have much to those who have > > little, > > > I'd say. I don't buy this romanticized "poor but happy" stuff. > > What's to be happy > > > about when your teeth are rotting and you can't afford to go to > > the dentist? > > > > > > > > > > Show me a person who can't afford to go to the dentist and I'll show > > you a person who is spending his money on beer, cigarettes or some > > other such thing that should NOT be a priority for consumption in > > his or her life. > > > > And after you weed out the 99 of 100 "poor" people that the above > > description applies to and you find the actual 1 of 100 that cannot > > genuinely afford the dentist, I would suggest to you that there are > > 1,000 dentists within a 50-mile radius of that person who will be > > more than happy to do pro bono work for that deserving person if > > they truly need it (and that's assuming there isn't a social program > > by the government that will pay for it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 11, 2006, at 10:47 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > > > A minister of my acquaintance says there are two ways > > > > > to be wealthy: One is to have a lot of money, the other > > > > > is to have few needs. > > > > > > > > Yep, "live simply". > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > I knew it would get around to this pretty quickly: the poor spend > their money > > on booze and cigarettes and on other stuff that they "shouldn't" > buy. They > > should really be more responsible, just like we are (who do not > have to put up > > with their privations). And as for the 1,000 dentists within a 50- > mile radius who > > would be happy to treat the "deserving" poor for free -- that's a > good one! > > Where on earth do you live, Shemp? Is this another Texan fantasy? > And who > > decides who is "deserving"? Do YOU have to prove you > are "deserving" when > > you get health care? Do YOU have to prove you don't smoke or > drink? > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > > > > > Complacent advice given by those who have much to those who > have > > > little, > > > > I'd say. I don't buy this romanticized "poor but happy" stuff. > > > What's to be happy > > > > about when your teeth are rotting and you can't afford to go > to > > > the dentist? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me a person who can't afford to go to the dentist and I'll > show > > > you a person who is spending his money on beer, cigarettes or > some > > > other such thing that should NOT be a priority for consumption > in > > > his or her life. > > > > > > And after you weed out the 99 of 100 "poor" people that the > above > > > description applies to and you find the actual 1 of 100 that > cannot > > > genuinely afford the dentist, I would suggest to you that there > are > > > 1,000 dentists within a 50-mile radius of that person who will > be > > > more than happy to do pro bono work for that deserving person if > > > they truly need it (and that's assuming there isn't a social > program > > > by the government that will pay for it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 11, 2006, at 10:47 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > A minister of my acquaintance says there are two ways > > > > > > to be wealthy: One is to have a lot of money, the other > > > > > > is to have few needs. > > > > > > > > > > Yep, "live simply". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > http://arts.bev.net/roperldavid/politics/inequality.htm > The "Gini Ratio" cited above measures income inequality. This, again, is a measurement, like the "poverty line" that has NOTHING to do with measuring true poverty. All it does it measure the income levels between people in a society. Who cares if Bill Gates earns $100 million a year and Joe Six-Pack earns $2,000 as long as Joe has access to all the basic necessities of life? On a another point: if I understand the Gini Ratio correctly (by the way, it reminds me of the way the TMO used to bastardize scientific data and skewer it in a misrepresentative way) it seems to say that during the Clinton years the inequality was greatest (which would make sense because that is when the stock market was at its peak). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested
I did define it. You must have missed the post, since you didn't respond to it. I don't know offhand what the number of the post was and don't have time to go to it now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > I knew it would get around to this pretty quickly: the poor spend > their money > > on booze and cigarettes and on other stuff that they "shouldn't" > buy. They > > should really be more responsible, just like we are (who do not > have to put up > > with their privations). And as for the 1,000 dentists within a 50- > mile radius who > > would be happy to treat the "deserving" poor for free -- that's a > good one! > > Where on earth do you live, Shemp? Is this another Texan fantasy? > And who > > decides who is "deserving"? Do YOU have to prove you > are "deserving" when > > you get health care? Do YOU have to prove you don't smoke or > drink? > > > > > Tell you what, feste37, you answer my questions about the definition > of poverty and then I'll get around to answering YOUR question. > > And I'm not trying to just play and game of tit-for-tat with you; > the definition of poverty really is at the heart of this debate. > > I have no idea what you mean by "poverty" whereas you know what I > mean (because I've given you my definition). > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > > > > > Complacent advice given by those who have much to those who > have > > > little, > > > > I'd say. I don't buy this romanticized "poor but happy" stuff. > > > What's to be happy > > > > about when your teeth are rotting and you can't afford to go > to > > > the dentist? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me a person who can't afford to go to the dentist and I'll > show > > > you a person who is spending his money on beer, cigarettes or > some > > > other such thing that should NOT be a priority for consumption > in > > > his or her life. > > > > > > And after you weed out the 99 of 100 "poor" people that the > above > > > description applies to and you find the actual 1 of 100 that > cannot > > > genuinely afford the dentist, I would suggest to you that there > are > > > 1,000 dentists within a 50-mile radius of that person who will > be > > > more than happy to do pro bono work for that deserving person if > > > they truly need it (and that's assuming there isn't a social > program > > > by the government that will pay for it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 11, 2006, at 10:47 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > A minister of my acquaintance says there are two ways > > > > > > to be wealthy: One is to have a lot of money, the other > > > > > > is to have few needs. > > > > > > > > > > Yep, "live simply". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I did define it. You must have missed the post, since you didn't > respond to it. I don't know offhand what the number of the post was > and don't have time to go to it now. Here 'tis: If your point is that poverty in America is very different from poverty in, say, Bangladesh, of course that is true. It's obvious. Poverty is a relative concept. if you don't have the things that the majority of people in your society have, and therefore cannot participate fully in that society, you are poor. That's an approximation of a standard definition, I think, if I remember my social science classes from about 15 million years ago. You ask about deprivations. Lack of health insurance, for one, which means that people see doctors less often than they should do and need to do, and so lack preventive care. Inability to pay for needed medications is another deprivation. Choosing between food and medication is another. I'm sure there are many more. It's called "going without," and the poor quietly learn to do this, but that doesn't mean they are not poor. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > > > I knew it would get around to this pretty quickly: the poor spend > > their money > > > on booze and cigarettes and on other stuff that they "shouldn't" > > buy. They > > > should really be more responsible, just like we are (who do not > > have to put up > > > with their privations). And as for the 1,000 dentists within a 50- > > mile radius who > > > would be happy to treat the "deserving" poor for free -- that's a > > good one! > > > Where on earth do you live, Shemp? Is this another Texan fantasy? > > And who > > > decides who is "deserving"? Do YOU have to prove you > > are "deserving" when > > > you get health care? Do YOU have to prove you don't smoke or > > drink? > > > > > > > > > > Tell you what, feste37, you answer my questions about the definition > > of poverty and then I'll get around to answering YOUR question. > > > > And I'm not trying to just play and game of tit-for-tat with you; > > the definition of poverty really is at the heart of this debate. > > > > I have no idea what you mean by "poverty" whereas you know what I > > mean (because I've given you my definition). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Complacent advice given by those who have much to those who > > have > > > > little, > > > > > I'd say. I don't buy this romanticized "poor but happy" stuff. > > > > What's to be happy > > > > > about when your teeth are rotting and you can't afford to go > > to > > > > the dentist? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me a person who can't afford to go to the dentist and I'll > > show > > > > you a person who is spending his money on beer, cigarettes or > > some > > > > other such thing that should NOT be a priority for consumption > > in > > > > his or her life. > > > > > > > > And after you weed out the 99 of 100 "poor" people that the > > above > > > > description applies to and you find the actual 1 of 100 that > > cannot > > > > genuinely afford the dentist, I would suggest to you that there > > are > > > > 1,000 dentists within a 50-mile radius of that person who will > > be > > > > more than happy to do pro bono work for that deserving person if > > > > they truly need it (and that's assuming there isn't a social > > program > > > > by the government that will pay for it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 11, 2006, at 10:47 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > A minister of my acquaintance says there are two ways > > > > > > > to be wealthy: One is to have a lot of money, the other > > > > > > > is to have few needs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep, "live simply". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] It would be good if...
This is the phrase someone always used to order us to do something in the guise of a polite request...from our meeting in La Antilla to our wedding in Fairfiled and now 26 years later, we still say to each other "it would be good if..." when we think someone is trying to make us do their bidding by pretending it is for our own benefit... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] It would be good if...
In a message dated 2/11/06 10:34:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is the phrase someone always used to order us to do something in the guise of a polite request...from our meeting in La Antilla to our wedding in Fairfiled and now 26 years later, we still say to each other "it would be good if..." when we think someone is trying to make us do their bidding by pretending it is for our own benefit... Yes that is a good one. How about "Oh, Maharishi wouldn't like that". Makes that person sound like they are in tune with the master and you aren't. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Brahmastan/ Girish Varma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > If the "Maharishi has been blackmailed all these years" theory is > > correct, > > > then he's probably the prime culprit. > > > > > > > I've never really heard that theory before. Manipulted yes, > > blackmailed that's new to me. > > > > JohnY > > I do not think MMy has been blackmailed or manipulated. I think he > knew what he was doing when it cames to money. In the 60ths 50 % of > all initiation fees was sent to India. You do not need to be psycic > to figure out - that the money had do go into some bank-account that > someone own. And I think that the only ones that he trusted was/ is > his family. The whole thing has been / is family business. We > thought that we - the TM-Teachers - was his family - we were not. > Ingegerd > > We certainly aren't family - we aren't even officially teachers these days. I'm pretty sure that we'll never know were the money went. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > I did define it. You must have missed the post, since you didn't > > respond to it. I don't know offhand what the number of the post was > > and don't have time to go to it now. > > Here 'tis: > > If your point is that poverty in America is very different from > poverty in, say, Bangladesh, of course that is true. It's obvious. > Poverty is a relative concept. if you don't have the things that the > majority of people in your society have, and therefore cannot > participate fully in that society, you are poor. First, thanks to Judy for finding feste37's definition. Okay. The way you define poverty is completely different from the way I define it. I do NOT define it as a relative concept which is, of course, the way it is defined by the poverty line definition. Plus, my definition has NOTHING to do with whether or not you have the same things as the majority of the people in society have. Nor does my definition include whether or not one can "participate fully in that society" because they don't have the things that the majority have. > That's an > approximation of a standard definition, I think, if I remember my > social science classes from about 15 million years ago. > > You ask about deprivations. Lack of health insurance, for one, which > means that people see doctors less often than they should do and need > to do, and so lack preventive care. Inability to pay for needed > medications is another deprivation. Choosing between food and > medication is another. I'm sure there are many more. It's > called "going without," and the poor quietly learn to do this, but > that doesn't mean they are not poor. ...and I contend that there is no one that the above applies to in America...and that is why there are no poor people. There are social programs -- government or otherwise -- that will take care of those essential needs. Now I'm going to go back and answer the questions you asked me that I haven't yet responded to. > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > > > > > I knew it would get around to this pretty quickly: the poor > spend > > > their money > > > > on booze and cigarettes and on other stuff that > they "shouldn't" > > > buy. They > > > > should really be more responsible, just like we are (who do not > > > have to put up > > > > with their privations). And as for the 1,000 dentists within a > 50- > > > mile radius who > > > > would be happy to treat the "deserving" poor for free -- that's > a > > > good one! > > > > Where on earth do you live, Shemp? Is this another Texan > fantasy? > > > And who > > > > decides who is "deserving"? Do YOU have to prove you > > > are "deserving" when > > > > you get health care? Do YOU have to prove you don't smoke or > > > drink? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tell you what, feste37, you answer my questions about the > definition > > > of poverty and then I'll get around to answering YOUR question. > > > > > > And I'm not trying to just play and game of tit-for-tat with you; > > > the definition of poverty really is at the heart of this debate. > > > > > > I have no idea what you mean by "poverty" whereas you know what I > > > mean (because I've given you my definition). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Complacent advice given by those who have much to those > who > > > have > > > > > little, > > > > > > I'd say. I don't buy this romanticized "poor but happy" > stuff. > > > > > What's to be happy > > > > > > about when your teeth are rotting and you can't afford to > go > > > to > > > > > the dentist? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me a person who can't afford to go to the dentist and > I'll > > > show > > > > > you a person who is spending his money on beer, cigarettes or > > > some > > > > > other such thing that should NOT be a priority for > consumption > > > in > > > > > his or her life. > > > > > > > > > > And after you weed out the 99 of 100 "poor" people that the > > > above > > > > > description applies to and you find the actual 1 of 100 that > > > cannot > > > > > genuinely afford the dentist, I would suggest to you that > there > > > are > > > > > 1,000 dentists within a 50-mile radius of that person who > will > > > be > > > > > more than happy to do pro bono work for that deserving person > if > > > > > they truly need it (and that's assuming there isn't a social > > > program > > > > > by the government that will pay for it). > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I knew it would get around to this pretty quickly: the poor spend
their money
> on booze and cigarettes and on other stuff that they "shouldn't"
buy. They
> should really be more responsible, just like we are (who do not
have to put up
> with their privations). And as for the 1,000 dentists within a 50-
mile radius who
> would be happy to treat the "deserving" poor for free -- that's a
good one!
> Where on earth do you live, Shemp?
Arizona.
> Is this another Texan fantasy?
I've only been to Texas twice: once when I drove through the
panhandle and then another time for a week when I was in Harlingen,
Texas.
> And who
> decides who is "deserving"?
Deserving would be someone who is NOT smoking cigarettes or drinking
or otherwise wasting their money on frivolous things.
> Do YOU have to prove you are "deserving" when
> you get health care?
No, because I pay my premiums.
As for people who get Medicaid, they DO have to prove they are
deserving of the program by showing what their income and net
worth. If Bill Gates applies for Medicaid, he will be discriminated
against and turned away because he has too much income and net worth
to qualify for it ("economic status" is not a prohibited basis of
discrimination for government programs, whereas bases such as "race"
or "gender" are).
> Do YOU have to prove you don't smoke or drink?
Actually, YES I did because I am not on a group health plan (I'm
self-employed and both drinking and smoking ARE used as criteria to
determine the underwriting for acceptance to AND the table-rating
for health insurance.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote:
> > >
> > > Complacent advice given by those who have much to those who
have
> > little,
> > > I'd say. I don't buy this romanticized "poor but happy" stuff.
> > What's to be happy
> > > about when your teeth are rotting and you can't afford to go
to
> > the dentist?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Show me a person who can't afford to go to the dentist and I'll
show
> > you a person who is spending his money on beer, cigarettes or
some
> > other such thing that should NOT be a priority for consumption
in
> > his or her life.
> >
> > And after you weed out the 99 of 100 "poor" people that the
above
> > description applies to and you find the actual 1 of 100 that
cannot
> > genuinely afford the dentist, I would suggest to you that there
are
> > 1,000 dentists within a 50-mile radius of that person who will
be
> > more than happy to do pro bono work for that deserving person if
> > they truly need it (and that's assuming there isn't a social
program
> > by the government that will pay for it).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 11, 2006, at 10:47 AM, authfriend wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > A minister of my acquaintance says there are two ways
> > > > > to be wealthy: One is to have a lot of money, the other
> > > > > is to have few needs.
> > > >
> > > > Yep, "live simply".
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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[FairfieldLife] Re: It would be good if...
Buckeyecreek, my good fellow, you missed the BEST Movement phrase! It's not "It would be good if...", it's "Perhaps it would be best if...". Adding the "perhaps" and using "best" instead of "good" has SO many subtle advantages to it! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "buckeyecreek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is the phrase someone always used to order us to do something in > the guise of a polite request...from our meeting in La Antilla to our > wedding in Fairfiled and now 26 years later, we still say to each > other "it would be good if..." when we think someone is trying to make > us do their bidding by pretending it is for our own benefit... > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It would be good if...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/11/06 10:34:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > This is the phrase someone always used to order us to do something in > the guise of a polite request...from our meeting in La Antilla to our > wedding in Fairfiled and now 26 years later, we still say to each > other "it would be good if..." when we think someone is trying to make > us do their bidding by pretending it is for our own benefit... > > > > > Yes that is a good one. How about "Oh, Maharishi wouldn't like that". Makes > that person sound like they are in tune with the master and you aren't. > All that was needed were those two magical words: "Maharishi said..." Or the more defensive version: "BUT Maharishi said..." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Legal: Cease and desist Letter?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Forwarded Message From: Mike Scozzari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat, 11 > Feb > 2006 17:26:47 -0800 To: Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: TMO > Legal: Cease and desist Letter? > > Hi Rick > > If possible, please post on Fairfield life. This is the most recentl letter > i received from the TMO. According to one attorney, it's mostly saber > rattling. > > Mike I hope Mike has some good representation. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It would be good if...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 2/11/06 10:34:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > This is the phrase someone always used to order us to do > something in the guise of a polite request...from our meeting > in La Antilla to our wedding in Fairfiled and now 26 years > later, we still say to each other "it would be good if..." > when we think someone is trying to make us do their bidding > by pretending it is for our own benefit... > > Yes that is a good one. How about "Oh, Maharishi wouldn't > like that". Makes that person sound like they are in tune > with the master and you aren't. Exactly. And don't forget the uniquitous "Maharishisez," used to introduce a quote, taken out of context, that is supposed to silence the other person and bring the discussion or argument to a close. :-) > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
