[FairfieldLife] Re: 'New Book on 1968 and a Turning Point'

2006-03-27 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
>   There doesn't seem any particular reason for Lapham publishing 
this book at this time. It can be read in an hour or two and does 
not press any claim for relevance. Which is nice, in a way. What the 
book does best is re-create, as if it were a time capsule, a 
cultural moment that will never be repeated, a kind of last hurrah 
of credulity and a first hurrah of the corporatised celebrity-power 
we live amid today.
>
>   "The scene retains its force," Lapham writes, "because I now 
know that it occurs at almost the precise moment, late February 
1968, at which the flood tide of generous thought and optimistic 
feeling that formed the promise of the 1960s turns on the ebb ... 
Another 20 months and the Beatles were no longer together as a band, 
President Richard M. Nixon was in the White House with his 'madman 
theory' of geopolitics, and cocaine was outselling marijuana on the 
markets in transcendence."

Reviews like this one are almost always written 
by someone who wasn't there and wishes he had been.

My personal feeling for the "turning point" of those
times was that the pivotal point was in early 1967, 
and that everything else was downhill from there. All 
the rest -- the Beatles with Maharishi, the commer-
cialization of hippie, the free love stuff -- all
of that was an attempt to capture a fleeting taste
of a phenmomenon that was already over. 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Superheros organized by religion

2006-03-27 Thread TurquoiseB
> --- Vaj wrote:
> Oh come on, Avatsara, the Flying One from the 9th mandala 
> comic book they used to read after program--I thought that 
> was our superhero! Long bearded guy with a Sanskrit "a" on 
> his silk gown, poured soma thru peoples crown chakras and 
> had a cow as his side kick?

I always thought that the TM superhero was Santa 
Claus. Be good little boys and girls and do exactly 
what you're told and Santa will bring you health,
prosperity and enlightenment.  :-)








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[FairfieldLife] HISTORIC LIVE BROADCAST FROM BRAHMASTHAN OF THE U.S.

2006-03-27 Thread Robert Gimbel



   HISTORIC LIVE BROADCAST FROM BRAHMASTHAN OF THE U.S. Inaugurating the World Capital of Peace for America and the Capital of the U.S. Peace Government Maharishi Channel is pleased to announce the live broadcast of the historic Inauguration Ceremonies of the World Capital of Peace for America and the Capital of His Excellency Dr. John Hagelin's U.S. Peace Government in the Brahmasthan of the United States. The Inauguration will also include the announcement of the Administration for Invincible America. The Rajas of the different Domains of the United States are  traveling to the US Brahmasthan for this very auspicious event establishing the World Capital of Peace for America. The ceremonies will be connected live with His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, His Majesty Maharaja Nader Raam, and the Rajas and Global Ministers at Meru, Holland by video conference. The
 live broadcast will be on Tuesday, March 28th at 12:00 noon US Central time (19:00 Central Europe time). The celebration will be broadcast on the Maharishi Channel satellites and on the internet at http://www.globalcountry.org. For broadcast updates please visit http://www.mou.org. 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does a million $ buy loyalty?

2006-03-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [snip]
> > > 
> > > > > What specific project has bevan ever led that has been 
> > successful? 
> > > > 
> > > > Other than MUM for the past 25+ years, you mean?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [snip]
> > > 
> > > Spare Egg, are you implying that MUM/MIU is/was a "success"?
> > > 
> > > I am a graduate of that place and I, for one, don't even put 
> down 
> > on 
> > > my resume that I went to that place...I prefer, instead, to have 
> > > readers of the resume believe I am a high school graduate and 
> that 
> > > that is as far as I went...
> > >
> > 
> > Interesting. When did you graduate?
> >
> 
> 1979
>

That was the year before it was accredited...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Superheros organized by religion

2006-03-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> --- Vaj wrote:
> >
> > Oh come on, Avatsara, the Flying One from the 9th mandala comic book  
> > they used to read after program--I thought that was our superhero!  
> > Long bearded guy with a Sanskrit "a" on his silk gown, poured soma  
> > thru peoples crown chakras and had a cow as his side kick?
> 
> A teenage cow, I presume?
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Y'all remember this?

2006-03-27 Thread sparaig
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> http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,1101751013,00.html
>

Yep.





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[FairfieldLife] G-d vaibreishnz?

2006-03-27 Thread cardemaister

http://www.kumu.fi/english/index_english.html






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Superheros organized by religion

2006-03-27 Thread Vaj

On Mar 26, 2006, at 11:10 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:

> --- Vaj wrote:
> >
> > Oh come on, Avatsara, the Flying One from the 9th mandala comic book
> > they used to read after program--I thought that was our superhero!
> > Long bearded guy with a Sanskrit "a" on his silk gown, poured soma
> > thru peoples crown chakras and had a cow as his side kick?
>
> A teenage cow, I presume?

Teenage orphan.


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[FairfieldLife] Madharisi Still Trying To Take Over The World

2006-03-27 Thread Vaj


http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/Friday, March 24, 2006Madharisi Still Trying To Take Over The WorldFile under: Wackadoo Gurus and The Siddhi of PRThe old coot is still at it. The latest in his 50-year scheme to ignite the next Golden Age (in direct competition with the Kracki, the Babaster and many, many insane people all over the world) is the Global Good News. It's just about the cheesiest looking website seen since the use of the  tag.It's the same old TM™ global-everything propaganda. We thought it was a pipe dream back in 1989 at college, when Madharishi minions offered a ride home to pimp nonsense about the coming Age of Enlightenment... courtesy of and exclusively by the Madharishi himself, the certain and only true usher for the Golden Age. We thanked them for the ride and told them they were full of it.And yet the wacky old bat is still at it. You've got to give him credit for sticking with it, or at least give his grandiosity credit. And we suppose you can't fault them for wanting to transform the world into his idea of what Vedic social perfection would look like. Too bad it's just as likely as the neocons' vision of a world united in Christ.That's what makes it so crazy. When has anything so well articulated come about anywhere near the way it was articulated? Never. The world doesn't work that way, and the TM™ folks' inability to see this belies a lack of discrimination about just how crazy... or at best, inappropriately hopeful their leader actually is.We continue to hope ourselves that the GCfWP comes to their senses once their beloved guru passes on. It's obviously a strong organization. If it can get past the grandiosity of its founder it may actually turn out to be something much better for the world than the likes the Kracki's deeksha scam and his grandiose ideas of Golden Age bringing.We see no way out of the eyeball lightning here, folks. You better not be close to any metal if and when it finally does go down.posted by jody @ 5:46 PM 1 comments  





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[FairfieldLife] Re: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> From a friend:

> Bevan makes lots of mistakes, but don't we all? M now has Bevan by
> his side for a reason. I hope M's plan works for Bevan's sake.
> 
> Do I like Bevan? No.
> But I do admire what he has been able to accomplish.
> 
> And that's my version of this story.

Whoa, Fox News version - fair and

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[FairfieldLife] Re: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread lurkernomore20002000
Do I like Bevan? No.
> > But I do admire what he has been able to accomplish.
> > 
> > And that's my version of this story.
> >
> This rings true and is an excellent analysis.  I hope Bevan has had 
marvelous spiritual 
> experiences during this whole thing.  I first saw Bevan on a ladies 
course about 1977 in 
> Arosa, Switz.  He was so handsome, seemed very intelligent, totally 
devoted to MMY, had a 
> twinkle in his eye and lots of compassion and a good sense of 
humor.  

Right, back in 70,s in Biarritz, I had a sudden tooth ache, and had to 
go to the dentist.  Bevin had to okay this off site visit.  I remember 
how compassionate he seemed to my plight.  I know compassionate sounds 
too strong a work in this context, but that's the best way to describe 
it.

lurk 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread Sal Sunshine
He was probably glad it wasn't him. :)

Maybe I'm just missing something here, but I find it fascinating how normal, everyday common-sense gets transformed into 'compassion' when it's from someone people obviously don't expect to have much. 

Sal
 
On Mar 27, 2006, at 7:05 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:

 Right, back in 70,s in Biarritz, I had a sudden tooth ache, and had to 
 go to the dentist.  Bevin had to okay this off site visit.  I remember 
 how compassionate he seemed to my plight.  I know compassionate sounds 
 too strong a work in this context, but that's the best way to describe 
 it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>Maybe I'm just missing something here, but I find it fascinating 
how 
> normal, everyday common-sense gets transformed into 'compassion' 
when 
> it's from someone people obviously don't expect to have much.
> 
Sal,  there was no question about going to see the dentist. (common 
sense part).  Bevan was in Maharishi's suite of rooms relaxing.  It 
was fun to go up there.  Let's just say he was sympathetic to my 
plight in a way I didn't expect.  People change over time.  
According to others, this period was towards the tail end of the 
golden times, or the beginning of the "funny" times.  Believe me, we 
had some sweet times in this movement.  No one will ever take that 
away from us.

lurk
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Replay of Saturday morning David Lynch

2006-03-27 Thread sparaig
Watch it at http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org

I missed the first part, with Lynch himself. Such a CC-ish kind of guy, 
though I suspect that the nicotine habit qualifies as one of 
those "sleeping elephant" things.

Hopefully, the rest of the weekend will be made available as well, 
though the Donovan performance might not make it due to the usual 
issues with performance licensing.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Mar 27, 2006, at 7:20 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:

 Sal,  there was no question about going to see the dentist. (common 
 sense part).  Bevan was in Maharishi's suite of rooms relaxing.  It 
 was fun to go up there.  Let's just say he was sympathetic to my 
 plight in a way I didn't expect.  People change over time.  
 According to others, this period was towards the tail end of the 
 golden times, or the beginning of the "funny" times.  Believe me, we 
 had some sweet times in this movement.  No one will ever take that 
 away from us.

The way you wear your hat.
The way you sip your tea.
The memory of all that
Oh, no. They can't take that away from me...

The way your smile just beams.
The way you sing off-key.
The way you haunt my dreams.
No, no. They can't take that away from me...

We may never, never meet again
On the bumpy road to love.
But I'll always, always keep 
The memory of...

The way you hold your knife.
The way we danced till three.
The way you changed my life.
No, no. They can't take that away from me.
No, they can't take that away from me...




[FairfieldLife] Re: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> The way you hold your knife.
> The way we danced till three.
> The way you changed my life.
> No, no. They can't take that away from me.
> No, they can't take that away from me...

Now this is the way to start a Monday, with a damn good chuckle. 
Thanks!

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Replay of Saturday morning David Lynch

2006-03-27 Thread Vaj


Are they replaying the Donovan interview? I wondered if they were going to censors his comments.On Mar 27, 2006, at 8:22 AM, sparaig wrote:Watch it at http://www.davidlynchfoundation.orgI missed the first part, with Lynch himself. Such a CC-ish kind of guy, though I suspect that the nicotine habit qualifies as one of those "sleeping elephant" things.Hopefully, the rest of the weekend will be made available as well, though the Donovan performance might not make it due to the usual issues with performance licensing.





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[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-27 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I seem to recall, after the whole affair blew over, Bevan 
> > > said something to the effect that that these people were 
> > > trying to undermine our accreditation efforts and sabotage 
> > > the image of the school before the wider world.
> > > 
> > > You have to understand, we were *all about* proselytizing, 
> > > hence the coats and ties. Anything that distracted from 
> > > that clean-cut, mainstream image was strictly off the 
> > > program. So this gay rights plea on the day the school 
> > > was to be inspected by the outside academic world seemed 
> > > like an averted catastrophe. (The posters were taken down 
> > > right away, of course.)
> > 
> > Forget the gay thing...what you have just described
> > is the entire history of the TM movement from Day
> > One -- pretense and hiding its normality in the 
> > closet, followed by panic, paranoia and persecuation 
> > when the closet door is thrown open and all-too-
> > normal interiors of the closet are revealed. 
> > 
> > It doesn't matter whether the pretense was about TM
> > having so negative side effects, or about TM marriages
> > never failing, or about no one in TM communities ever
> > committing suicide or seeing shrinks, or about every-
> > body being straight. 
> > 
> > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always
> > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of 
> > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of 
> > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him 
> > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals
> > it for what it is.
> >
> 
> Yeah, but on the day the accreditation team is supposed to arrive? 
> That's deliberate sabatoge, pure and simple. It's not like MUM was 
> alone in being homophobic during that time.

(sorry if this post comes up 2x)

But students putting up posters on campus for innumerable causes is
part of college life and is not considered a negative by an
accreditation team.  In fact, college kids all walking around in suits
and ties and old dresses all talking the same "everything is bliss
here" words would be more cause for concern by the team than having
some poster protest by a minority group I think.  I would have
recommended they first talk with some admin. rep about their concerns,
but they probably tried and were rebuffed and thus felt the need to
get political in their tactics.

>From what I hear students at MUM were thrilled this weekend having the
campus full of diverse looking and thinking students who amazingly
were not afraid to get up and ask lynch and donovan whatever they
wanted, even about sex and rock and roll for gosh sakes! 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lonnie Gamble, was: I wonder what would happen if someone would pull a "Jess

2006-03-27 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> on 3/26/06 11:02 AM, Nelson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> >  Was a pioneer in getting interest in pv and wind power here.
> >  Has been teaching a course in that along with Kieth W. at the
> > college.
> 
> What is pv? What does Keith know about that and wind power?
> 
> >  As an extra bit of trivia, Jeru H. is also on the street and,
> > from what I gather, he is a BTO
> 
> What is a BTO?
+++  Photovoltaic power- as in the small setup next to the greenhouse
on campus.
 The Eco Villiage up on the end of B street is off the grid and is
running on PV and wind power for some years now.
  Dont know how Kieth fits in- maybe setting up the program.
  BTO- older,less harsh form of BFD  N.





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[FairfieldLife] Donovan last night

2006-03-27 Thread feste37
There must have been well over a thousand people packed into the Rec 
Center last night for David Lynch and Donovan. Great atmosphere, and it was 
fabulous to hear all those sixties hits again. Donovan has a nice line, "I'm 
Maharishi's troubador -- and I'm back." It was almost like the old days. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: G-d vaibreishnz?

2006-03-27 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> http://www.kumu.fi/english/index_english.html
>
+++ Great example of phrenetic spelling.
 He must be right about the benefits of zero point node attachment
tho.  Thanx   N.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-27 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Mar 27, 2006, at 8:10 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote:

 From what I hear students at MUM were thrilled this weekend having the
 campus full of diverse looking and thinking students who amazingly
 were not afraid to get up and ask lynch and donovan whatever they
 wanted, even about sex and rock and roll for gosh sakes! 

Next time the topic will be "Drugs."  Just to round things out.

Sal




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/27/06 7:20 AM, lurkernomore20002000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> 
> Sal,  there was no question about going to see the dentist. (common
> sense part).  Bevan was in Maharishi's suite of rooms relaxing.  It
> was fun to go up there.  Let's just say he was sympathetic to my
> plight in a way I didn't expect.  People change over time.
> According to others, this period was towards the tail end of the
> golden times, or the beginning of the "funny" times.  Believe me, we
> had some sweet times in this movement.  No one will ever take that
> away from us.

I used to eat with Bevan occasionally there in Biarritz. He stuck me as
being a gentle, humble, extremely devoted guy.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-27 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)





on 3/27/06 9:25 AM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Mar 27, 2006, at 8:10 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: 

 From what I hear students at MUM were thrilled this weekend having the 
 campus full of diverse looking and thinking students who amazingly 
 were not afraid to get up and ask lynch and donovan whatever they 
 wanted, even about sex and rock and roll for gosh sakes!  
 
Donovan and David Lynch went to India Café and Revelations yesterday and hung out and chatted with people.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Replay of Saturday morning David Lynch

2006-03-27 Thread sparaig
Only the first part has made it to Lynch's website thus far. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Are they replaying the Donovan interview? I wondered if they were  
> going to censors his comments.
> 
> On Mar 27, 2006, at 8:22 AM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > Watch it at http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org
> >
> > I missed the first part, with Lynch himself. Such a CC-ish kind of  
> > guy,
> > though I suspect that the nicotine habit qualifies as one of
> > those "sleeping elephant" things.
> >
> > Hopefully, the rest of the weekend will be made available as well,
> > though the Donovan performance might not make it due to the usual
> > issues with performance licensing.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I seem to recall, after the whole affair blew over, Bevan 
> > > > said something to the effect that that these people were 
> > > > trying to undermine our accreditation efforts and sabotage 
> > > > the image of the school before the wider world.
> > > > 
> > > > You have to understand, we were *all about* proselytizing, 
> > > > hence the coats and ties. Anything that distracted from 
> > > > that clean-cut, mainstream image was strictly off the 
> > > > program. So this gay rights plea on the day the school 
> > > > was to be inspected by the outside academic world seemed 
> > > > like an averted catastrophe. (The posters were taken down 
> > > > right away, of course.)
> > > 
> > > Forget the gay thing...what you have just described
> > > is the entire history of the TM movement from Day
> > > One -- pretense and hiding its normality in the 
> > > closet, followed by panic, paranoia and persecuation 
> > > when the closet door is thrown open and all-too-
> > > normal interiors of the closet are revealed. 
> > > 
> > > It doesn't matter whether the pretense was about TM
> > > having so negative side effects, or about TM marriages
> > > never failing, or about no one in TM communities ever
> > > committing suicide or seeing shrinks, or about every-
> > > body being straight. 
> > > 
> > > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always
> > > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of 
> > > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of 
> > > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him 
> > > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals
> > > it for what it is.
> > >
> > 
> > Yeah, but on the day the accreditation team is supposed to 
arrive? 
> > That's deliberate sabatoge, pure and simple. It's not like MUM 
was 
> > alone in being homophobic during that time.
> 
> (sorry if this post comes up 2x)
> 
> But students putting up posters on campus for innumerable causes is
> part of college life and is not considered a negative by an
> accreditation team.  In fact, college kids all walking around in 
suits
> and ties and old dresses all talking the same "everything is bliss
> here" words would be more cause for concern by the team than having
> some poster protest by a minority group I think.  I would have
> recommended they first talk with some admin. rep about their 
concerns,
> but they probably tried and were rebuffed and thus felt the need to
> get political in their tactics.
> 
> From what I hear students at MUM were thrilled this weekend having 
the
> campus full of diverse looking and thinking students who amazingly
> were not afraid to get up and ask lynch and donovan whatever they
> wanted, even about sex and rock and roll for gosh sakes!
>

Sure. I watched the Q &A with the students and they appeared relaxed 
and willing to talk about *almost* anything, though they skirted the 
word "gay" when it came up.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Donovan last night

2006-03-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> There must have been well over a thousand people packed into the Rec 
> Center last night for David Lynch and Donovan. Great atmosphere, and 
it was 
> fabulous to hear all those sixties hits again. Donovan has a nice 
line, "I'm 
> Maharishi's troubador -- and I'm back." It was almost like the old 
days.
>

And if you thinka bout how many of his hit songs were about TM and 
Maharishi, he was and still is.






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[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-27 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > On Mar 27, 2006, at 8:10 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote:
> > 
> >>  From what I hear students at MUM were thrilled this weekend 
> >>  having the
> >>  campus full of diverse looking and thinking students who 
> >>  amazingly
> >>  were not afraid to get up and ask lynch and donovan whatever they
> >>  wanted, even about sex and rock and roll for gosh sakes!
>  
> Donovan and David Lynch went to India Café and Revelations 
> yesterday and hung out and chatted with people.

Just as a question, did Hagelin or any of the other
high-mucky-mucks from the TMO get down and mingle 
with the Great Unwashed, or was it only the truly 
famous who did so?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> on 3/27/06 7:20 AM, lurkernomore20002000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> 
> > Sal,  there was no question about going to see the dentist. (common
> > sense part).  Bevan was in Maharishi's suite of rooms relaxing.  It
> > was fun to go up there.  Let's just say he was sympathetic to my
> > plight in a way I didn't expect.  People change over time.
> > According to others, this period was towards the tail end of the
> > golden times, or the beginning of the "funny" times.  Believe me, we
> > had some sweet times in this movement.  No one will ever take that
> > away from us.
> 
> I used to eat with Bevan occasionally there in Biarritz. He stuck me 
as
> being a gentle, humble, extremely devoted guy.
>

Like I said, he's the buffer between happy, all-is-bliss Maharishi, and 
the TMO comes first, don't like it, get lost, Maharishi...

He gets to take a good portion of the heat for MMY's harsher edicts and 
its a very stressful place to be and it shows.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-27 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/27/06 9:56 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>> On Mar 27, 2006, at 8:10 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote:
>>> 
  From what I hear students at MUM were thrilled this weekend
  having the
  campus full of diverse looking and thinking students who
  amazingly
  were not afraid to get up and ask lynch and donovan whatever they
  wanted, even about sex and rock and roll for gosh sakes!
>>  
>> Donovan and David Lynch went to India Café and Revelations
>> yesterday and hung out and chatted with people.
> 
> Just as a question, did Hagelin or any of the other
> high-mucky-mucks from the TMO get down and mingle
> with the Great Unwashed, or was it only the truly
> famous who did so?

Hagelin shows up at local hang outs once in a while. I've even seen Rajas in
the bank, although that is rare.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- sparaig wrote:
>
> He gets to take a good portion of the heat for MMY's 
> harsher edicts and its a very stressful place to be and it shows.

It would be interesting to hear a roomful of bigwigs talk 
about their coping mechanisms for working with MMY. 
Does Bevan's approach parallel John Hagelin's, Bob 
Wynne's and other such types?

How lucky Jerry Jarvis was to get away from all that.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: a Spiritual Master? was: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread brahmachari108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From a friend: 
> Dear Rick
> snip
>  but we must remember
> that Maharishi, as a spiritual Master, has a responsibility towards
> the spiritual enlightenement of his disciples. That may mean that M
> instantly dissolves any successful venture a disciple sets up if that
> disciple has any ego involved. 

What Maharishi? Talking only about first verse of Rg Ved for 30 years makes a 
maharishi?
a spiritual master? Who has gained enlightenment from his 5-7 year program?

What responsibility has ever been shown?
Is asking for your money an example of this?

What disciples?
Kali yug









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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: a Spiritual Master? was: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread Sal Sunshine
Tsk, tsk, are we unstressing here?  Something good must be happening. :)

Sal


On Mar 27, 2006, at 11:24 AM, brahmachari108 wrote:

 What Maharishi? Talking only about first verse of Rg Ved for 30 years makes a maharishi?
 a spiritual master? Who has gained enlightenment from his 5-7 year program?

 What responsibility has ever been shown?
 Is asking for your money an example of this?

 What disciples?

[FairfieldLife] Re: a Spiritual Master? was: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "brahmachari108" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  
wrote:
> > From a friend: 
> > Dear Rick
> > snip
> >  but we must remember
> > that Maharishi, as a spiritual Master, has a responsibility 
> > towards the spiritual enlightenement of his disciples. That 
> > may mean that M instantly dissolves any successful venture 
> > a disciple sets up if that disciple has any ego involved. 
> 
> What Maharishi? Talking only about first verse of Rg Ved for 
> 30 years makes a maharishi?

It does if you don't know any better.

It does if you are so incurious as to have been
*satisfied* with that little actual substance in
30 years.

The thing that amazes me is not that people 
consider Maharishi a "master," but that they are 
satisfied with such a lame definition of what a 
"master" is. 








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[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-27 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
TorquiseB writes: snipped
Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always
the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of 
the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of 
what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him 
who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals
it for what it is.

Tom T:
I worked for the NLP throughout the 2000 campaign and before the word
came down to shut it down the muckity mucks were planning ahead. They
asked me to stay on in a supervisory role. I thought it over and met
with Kingsly, Lesly and Tom Stanley. I told them I would be glad to
stay if and only if they were willing to tell themselves, the staff
and the supporters the truth about what was going on. Needless to say
I was fired and was never paid my last two weeks salary. Just goes to
show you nothing has changed. Tom T





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-27 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/27/06 11:59 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> TorquiseB writes: snipped
> Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always
> the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of
> the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of
> what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him
> who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals
> it for what it is.
> 
> Tom T:
> I worked for the NLP throughout the 2000 campaign and before the word
> came down to shut it down the muckity mucks were planning ahead. They
> asked me to stay on in a supervisory role. I thought it over and met
> with Kingsly, Lesly and Tom Stanley. I told them I would be glad to
> stay if and only if they were willing to tell themselves, the staff
> and the supporters the truth about what was going on.

What truth? What would they have told if they had accepted your suggestion?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does a million $ buy loyalty?

2006-03-27 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  
wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > [snip]
> > > > 
> > > > > > What specific project has bevan ever led that has been 
> > > successful? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Other than MUM for the past 25+ years, you mean?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > [snip]
> > > > 
> > > > Spare Egg, are you implying that MUM/MIU is/was a "success"?
> > > > 
> > > > I am a graduate of that place and I, for one, don't even put 
> > down 
> > > on 
> > > > my resume that I went to that place...I prefer, instead, to 
have 
> > > > readers of the resume believe I am a high school graduate 
and 
> > that 
> > > > that is as far as I went...
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Interesting. When did you graduate?
> > >
> > 
> > 1979
> >
> 
> That was the year before it was accredited...
>


...and your point?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Superheros organized by religion

2006-03-27 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > --- Vaj wrote:
> > Oh come on, Avatsara, the Flying One from the 9th mandala 
> > comic book they used to read after program--I thought that 
> > was our superhero! Long bearded guy with a Sanskrit "a" on 
> > his silk gown, poured soma thru peoples crown chakras and 
> > had a cow as his side kick?
> 
> I always thought that the TM superhero was Santa 
> Claus. Be good little boys and girls and do exactly 
> what you're told and Santa will bring you health,
> prosperity and enlightenment.  :-)
>

Boy, Tantra, you must have had some horrible experience in the TMO.

Why did you stay in it as long as you did?  You must have been 
miserable...how long did it take you to figure out that it was a cult?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lonnie Gamble, was: I wonder what would happen if someone would pull a "Jess

2006-03-27 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
> wrote:
> >
> > on 3/26/06 11:02 AM, Nelson at nelsonriddle2001@ wrote:
> > 
> > >  Was a pioneer in getting interest in pv and wind power 
here.
> > >  Has been teaching a course in that along with Kieth W. at 
the
> > > college.
> > 
> > What is pv? What does Keith know about that and wind power?
> > 
> > >  As an extra bit of trivia, Jeru H. is also on the street 
and,
> > > from what I gather, he is a BTO
> > 
> > What is a BTO?
> +++  Photovoltaic power- as in the small setup next to the 
greenhouse
> on campus.
>  The Eco Villiage up on the end of B street is off the grid 
and is
> running on PV and wind power for some years now.
>   Dont know how Kieth fits in- maybe setting up the program.
>   BTO- older,less harsh form of BFD  N.
>


I just find it refreshing that he has naked women on his website and 
that he is associated with the TMO!

Topless Eco-Babes, Lynch Lesbians...wow!  When is this all going to 
come to a head with the MUM Administration?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- sparaig wrote:
> >
> > He gets to take a good portion of the heat for MMY's 
> > harsher edicts and its a very stressful place to be and it shows.
> 
> It would be interesting to hear a roomful of bigwigs talk 
> about their coping mechanisms for working with MMY. 
> Does Bevan's approach parallel John Hagelin's, Bob 
> Wynne's and other such types?
> 
> How lucky Jerry Jarvis was to get away from all that.
>


Gosh, I'd love to hear from him.

Any way someone on this forum could contact him and have him "visit" 
with us?  Rick?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: a Spiritual Master? was: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "brahmachari108" 
>  wrote:

> > What Maharishi? Talking only about first verse of Rg Ved for 
> > 30 years makes a maharishi?
> 
> It does if you don't know any better.
> 
> It does if you are so incurious as to have been
> *satisfied* with that little actual substance in
> 30 years.
 
Or, it does if you actually paid attention to
what he was saying (which was, of course, far
more than just the first verse of Rg Ved),
compared it to other teachings, recognized it
as significantly more profound, and then found
it continually refining, deepening, and expanding
over the years in your own experience with the
technique his teaching supports.

> The thing that amazes me is not that people 
> consider Maharishi a "master," but that they are 
> satisfied with such a lame definition of what a 
> "master" is.

Lame is as lame perceives, methinks.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lonnie Gamble, was: I wonder what would happen if someone would pull a "Jess

2006-03-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> I just find it refreshing that he has naked women on his website and 
> that he is associated with the TMO!
> 
> Topless Eco-Babes, Lynch Lesbians...wow!  When is this all going to 
> come to a head with the MUM Administration?

So to speak...








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[FairfieldLife] Re: a Spiritual Master? was: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "brahmachari108" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  
wrote:
> > From a friend: 
> > Dear Rick
> > snip
> >  but we must remember
> > that Maharishi, as a spiritual Master, has a responsibility 
towards
> > the spiritual enlightenement of his disciples. That may mean 
that M
> > instantly dissolves any successful venture a disciple sets up if 
that
> > disciple has any ego involved. 
> 
> What Maharishi? Talking only about first verse of Rg Ved for 30 
years makes a maharishi?
> a spiritual master? Who has gained enlightenment from his 5-7 year 
program?



What a silly question.

Think about it for a second: if people who gained enlightenment from 
TM stepped forward and declared: "I'm enlightened and I became 
enlightened through TM", well, how would one prove it?

Then, how would such individuals be treated?






> 
> What responsibility has ever been shown?
> Is asking for your money an example of this?
> 
> What disciples?
> Kali yug
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: a Spiritual Master? was: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "brahmachari108" 
>  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 
> wrote:
> > > From a friend: 
> > > Dear Rick
> > > snip
> > >  but we must remember
> > > that Maharishi, as a spiritual Master, has a responsibility 
> > > towards the spiritual enlightenement of his disciples. That 
> > > may mean that M instantly dissolves any successful venture 
> > > a disciple sets up if that disciple has any ego involved. 
> > 
> > What Maharishi? Talking only about first verse of Rg Ved for 
> > 30 years makes a maharishi?
> 
> It does if you don't know any better.
> 
> It does if you are so incurious as to have been
> *satisfied* with that little actual substance in
> 30 years.
> 
> The thing that amazes me is not that people 
> consider Maharishi a "master," but that they are 
> satisfied with such a lame definition of what a 
> "master" is.
>

Well, he must have had quite an impact on you because you spend half 
your days dialoging on a forum devoted to his teachings and people's 
experiences with it and his movement...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: a Spiritual Master? was: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "brahmachari108" 
>  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 
> wrote:
> > > From a friend: 
> > > Dear Rick
> > > snip
> > >  but we must remember
> > > that Maharishi, as a spiritual Master, has a responsibility 
> > > towards the spiritual enlightenement of his disciples. That 
> > > may mean that M instantly dissolves any successful venture 
> > > a disciple sets up if that disciple has any ego involved. 
> > 
> > What Maharishi? Talking only about first verse of Rg Ved for 
> > 30 years makes a maharishi?
> 
> It does if you don't know any better.
> 
> It does if you are so incurious as to have been
> *satisfied* with that little actual substance in
> 30 years.
> 
> The thing that amazes me is not that people 
> consider Maharishi a "master," but that they are 
> satisfied with such a lame definition of what a 
> "master" is.
>

What is your definition?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Superheros organized by religion

2006-03-27 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > --- Vaj wrote:
> > > Oh come on, Avatsara, the Flying One from the 9th mandala 
> > > comic book they used to read after program--I thought that 
> > > was our superhero! Long bearded guy with a Sanskrit "a" on 
> > > his silk gown, poured soma thru peoples crown chakras and 
> > > had a cow as his side kick?
> > 
> > I always thought that the TM superhero was Santa 
> > Claus. Be good little boys and girls and do exactly 
> > what you're told and Santa will bring you health,
> > prosperity and enlightenment.  :-)
> 
> Boy, Tantra, you must have had some horrible experience in the TMO.

No, I had mainly an Ok experience with the TMO.
 
> Why did you stay in it as long as you did?  

Why does anyone stay in a relationship long past
the point when it's over? Out of habit, out of
hope that maybe you weren't a complete idiot
when you fell in love, whatever.

> You must have been miserable...how long did it 
> take you to figure out that it was a cult?

I was miserable only for a a few months towards
the end. That's the point at which I had figured
out that it *was* a cult, and had tried to do a
few things to fight what was going on -- the purges
of people deemed "off the program," the blatantly
illegal stuff like smuggling money, etc.. When it
became obvious that nothing I said was ever going 
to have any effect, I split. 

But it still does amaze me, 24 years later, to run
into people who still believe in TM Santa Claus. 







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[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-27 Thread shempmcgurk

> > TorquiseB writes: snipped
> > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always
> > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of
> > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of
> > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him
> > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals
> > it for what it is.
> > 


You really should qualify your use of the term "TMer", TorquiseB.

I think it should read "TMOer" because that's really what you are 
referring to: someone in the TM organisation that takes instructions 
from the TMO and MMY.

That's NOT a TMer: a TMer is one who practises the TM program and 
doesn't follow a guru nor is involved in the TMO.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: a Spiritual Master? was: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "brahmachari108" 
> >  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
>  
> > wrote:
> > > > From a friend: 
> > > > Dear Rick
> > > > snip
> > > >  but we must remember
> > > > that Maharishi, as a spiritual Master, has a responsibility 
> > > > towards the spiritual enlightenement of his disciples. That 
> > > > may mean that M instantly dissolves any successful venture 
> > > > a disciple sets up if that disciple has any ego involved. 
> > > 
> > > What Maharishi? Talking only about first verse of Rg Ved for 
> > > 30 years makes a maharishi?
> > 
> > It does if you don't know any better.
> > 
> > It does if you are so incurious as to have been
> > *satisfied* with that little actual substance in
> > 30 years.
> > 
> > The thing that amazes me is not that people 
> > consider Maharishi a "master," but that they are 
> > satisfied with such a lame definition of what a 
> > "master" is.
> 
> Well, he must have had quite an impact on you because you 
> spend half your days dialoging on a forum devoted to his 
> teachings and people's experiences with it and his movement...

I'm fascinated by dying spiritual movements. I think
you can learn as much (and maybe more) from the ones
who fucked it all up as you can from the ones that
didn't. 







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lonnie Gamble, was: I wonder what would happen if someone would pull a "Jess

2006-03-27 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/27/06 12:18 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> 
> I just find it refreshing that he has naked women on his website and
> that he is associated with the TMO!
> 
> Topless Eco-Babes, Lynch Lesbians...wow!  When is this all going to
> come to a head with the MUM Administration?

That's his wife standing in front of him.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: a Spiritual Master? was: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "brahmachari108" 
> >  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
>  
> > wrote:
> > > > From a friend: 
> > > > Dear Rick
> > > > snip
> > > >  but we must remember
> > > > that Maharishi, as a spiritual Master, has a responsibility 
> > > > towards the spiritual enlightenement of his disciples. That 
> > > > may mean that M instantly dissolves any successful venture 
> > > > a disciple sets up if that disciple has any ego involved. 
> > > 
> > > What Maharishi? Talking only about first verse of Rg Ved for 
> > > 30 years makes a maharishi?
> > 
> > It does if you don't know any better.
> > 
> > It does if you are so incurious as to have been
> > *satisfied* with that little actual substance in
> > 30 years.
> > 
> > The thing that amazes me is not that people 
> > consider Maharishi a "master," but that they are 
> > satisfied with such a lame definition of what a 
> > "master" is.
> 
> What is your definition?

I never use the term 'master,' so it wouldn't 
come up. If I were trying to come up with a 
definition for what I'd consider a happening
spiritual teacher, it would involve one who
was capable of teaching via direct transmission.
That is, being able to give every student the 
subjective experience of every state of conscious-
ness he talked about and teach any technique he
knew, all without a word.

But that's just personal preference.


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[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-27 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > TorquiseB writes: snipped
> > > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always
> > > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of
> > > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of
> > > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him
> > > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals
> > > it for what it is.
> 
> You really should qualify your use of the term "TMer", TorquiseB.
> 
> I think it should read "TMOer" because that's really what you 
> are referring to: someone in the TM organisation that takes 
> instructions from the TMO and MMY.
> 
> That's NOT a TMer: a TMer is one who practises the TM program 
> and doesn't follow a guru nor is involved in the TMO.

That's actually a good point, and I agree with it.

However, it should be obvious from a few people
here that you don't actually have to have any
position within the TM organization to be as 
much of a True Believer as those who are. In
fact, I think that sometimes it actually *helps*
to perpetuate one's illusions about Maharishi
to have never met him, or even seen him, except
on videotape.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: a Spiritual Master? was: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "brahmachari108" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
> >  
> > > wrote:
> > > > > From a friend: 
> > > > > Dear Rick
> > > > > snip
> > > > >  but we must remember
> > > > > that Maharishi, as a spiritual Master, has a 
responsibility 
> > > > > towards the spiritual enlightenement of his disciples. 
That 
> > > > > may mean that M instantly dissolves any successful venture 
> > > > > a disciple sets up if that disciple has any ego involved. 
> > > > 
> > > > What Maharishi? Talking only about first verse of Rg Ved for 
> > > > 30 years makes a maharishi?
> > > 
> > > It does if you don't know any better.
> > > 
> > > It does if you are so incurious as to have been
> > > *satisfied* with that little actual substance in
> > > 30 years.
> > > 
> > > The thing that amazes me is not that people 
> > > consider Maharishi a "master," but that they are 
> > > satisfied with such a lame definition of what a 
> > > "master" is.
> > 
> > What is your definition?
> 
> I never use the term 'master,' so it wouldn't 
> come up. If I were trying to come up with a 
> definition for what I'd consider a happening
> spiritual teacher, it would involve one who
> was capable of teaching via direct transmission.
> That is, being able to give every student the 
> subjective experience of every state of conscious-
> ness he talked about and teach any technique he
> knew, all without a word.




You may be interested in Swami Muktananda's teaching and his 
technique of Shaktipat, which does exactly that.  Indeed, he 
describes three types of Shaktipat.




> 
> But that's just personal preference.
> 
> 
> ever
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[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-27 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  wrote:
> > > > TorquiseB writes: snipped
> > > > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always
> > > > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of
> > > > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of
> > > > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him
> > > > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals
> > > > it for what it is.
> > 
> > You really should qualify your use of the term "TMer", TorquiseB.
> > 
> > I think it should read "TMOer" because that's really what you 
> > are referring to: someone in the TM organisation that takes 
> > instructions from the TMO and MMY.
> > 
> > That's NOT a TMer: a TMer is one who practises the TM program 
> > and doesn't follow a guru nor is involved in the TMO.
> 
> That's actually a good point, and I agree with it.
> 
> However, it should be obvious from a few people
> here that you don't actually have to have any
> position within the TM organization to be as 
> much of a True Believer as those who are. In
> fact, I think that sometimes it actually *helps*
> to perpetuate one's illusions about Maharishi
> to have never met him, or even seen him, except
> on videotape.
>

I would suspect though that the vast majority of people that 
practise the TM technique are NOT associated with the TMO or MMY in 
any way, shape or form.

Although I have no statistics to rely on, we all know that hundreds 
of thousands of Americans -- as well as others across the world -- 
did indeed start TM in the '70s and '80s and at least some are still 
practising it.  These people are NOT TBers.







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[FairfieldLife] Jerry Jarvis, was: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/27/06 12:21 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>> How lucky Jerry Jarvis was to get away from all that.
>> 
> 
> 
> Gosh, I'd love to hear from him.
> 
> Any way someone on this forum could contact him and have him "visit"
> with us?  Rick?

I've been in touch with him and have mentioned it. Maybe about a year ago. I
have his contact info. If any of you are old friends and want to contact
him, email me on the side.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread peterklutz
Its almost as fascinating as watching someone we all know to be dumber
as a rock to actually put words together in apparently coherent
sentences..

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>
> He was probably glad it wasn't him. :)
> 
> Maybe I'm just missing something here, but I find it fascinating how 
> normal, everyday common-sense gets transformed into 'compassion' when 
> it's from someone people obviously don't expect to have much.
> 
> Sal
> 
> On Mar 27, 2006, at 7:05 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:
> 
> >  Right, back in 70,s in Biarritz, I had a sudden tooth ache, and
had to
> >  go to the dentist.  Bevin had to okay this off site visit.  I
remember
> >  how compassionate he seemed to my plight.  I know compassionate
sounds
> >  too strong a work in this context, but that's the best way to
describe
> >  it.
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[FairfieldLife] MUM memo on Lynch weekend

2006-03-27 Thread Rick Archer
>From a friend:

this email was sent last week within mum -- you can post this but leave
my name off 

Dear Faculty and Ideal Administrators,

It now appears that about 750-800 people will be joining us from around
the country. Here are some thoughts regarding our interactions with
visitors:

We're not trying to sell the visitors anything, nor convince of them of
anything.

Everything should be simple and easy to understand. When visitors ask
questions, we give short clear answers. They don't want a long discourse
on the subject.

The visitors won't respond so well to self-laudatory "how great we are"
responses to questions.

Also, we shouldn't use their question as a launching pad to go off on
other subjects. If they want to know more, be assured they will ask
more questions. With the right kind of answers, the questions will flow.
When we've given our brief answer, we can say something like "Did I
answer your question well enough?"

Guided self-discovery is highly effective. The "let me tell you"
approach isn't.

Thanks so much! Ron

-- Ron Barnett
Dean of Admissions Maharishi University of Management




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[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM memo on Lynch weekend

2006-03-27 Thread TurquoiseB
Sounds like sensible advice to me, as sensible as 
realizing that such an email was necessary.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From a friend:
> 
> this email was sent last week within mum -- you can post this but 
leave
> my name off 
> 
> Dear Faculty and Ideal Administrators,
> 
> It now appears that about 750-800 people will be joining us from 
around
> the country. Here are some thoughts regarding our interactions with
> visitors:
> 
> We're not trying to sell the visitors anything, nor convince of 
them of
> anything.
> 
> Everything should be simple and easy to understand. When visitors 
ask
> questions, we give short clear answers. They don't want a long 
discourse
> on the subject.
> 
> The visitors won't respond so well to self-laudatory "how great we 
are"
> responses to questions.
> 
> Also, we shouldn't use their question as a launching pad to go off 
on
> other subjects. If they want to know more, be assured they 
will ask
> more questions. With the right kind of answers, the questions will 
flow.
> When we've given our brief answer, we can say something like "Did I
> answer your question well enough?"
> 
> Guided self-discovery is highly effective. The "let me tell you"
> approach isn't.
> 
> Thanks so much! Ron
> 
> -- Ron Barnett
> Dean of Admissions Maharishi University of Management
>






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-27 Thread WLeed3





WOW Tom I did not know U were fired I just knew U left as they were 
shutting down What a disappointment now 4 me to just find this out from U. What 
did U want them to relate as the truth etc. that got U fired  & then 
NOT PROPERLY PAID? I am in Buff if U care to phone 176-688-7686 as U most well 
know.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM memo on Lynch weekend

2006-03-27 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Sounds like sensible advice to me, as sensible as 
> realizing that such an email was necessary.



The only thing that screams louder than being an actual cult is an 
email edict instructing how NOT to appear to be an actual cult.



> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
>  wrote:
> >
> > From a friend:
> > 
> > this email was sent last week within mum -- you can post this 
but 
> leave
> > my name off 
> > 
> > Dear Faculty and Ideal Administrators,
> > 
> > It now appears that about 750-800 people will be joining us from 
> around
> > the country. Here are some thoughts regarding our interactions 
with
> > visitors:
> > 
> > We're not trying to sell the visitors anything, nor convince of 
> them of
> > anything.
> > 
> > Everything should be simple and easy to understand. When 
visitors 
> ask
> > questions, we give short clear answers. They don't want a long 
> discourse
> > on the subject.
> > 
> > The visitors won't respond so well to self-laudatory "how great 
we 
> are"
> > responses to questions.
> > 
> > Also, we shouldn't use their question as a launching pad to go 
off 
> on
> > other subjects. If they want to know more, be assured they 
> will ask
> > more questions. With the right kind of answers, the questions 
will 
> flow.
> > When we've given our brief answer, we can say something 
like "Did I
> > answer your question well enough?"
> > 
> > Guided self-discovery is highly effective. The "let me tell you"
> > approach isn't.
> > 
> > Thanks so much! Ron
> > 
> > -- Ron Barnett
> > Dean of Admissions Maharishi University of Management
> >
>







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[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-27 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> WOW Tom I did not know U were fired I just knew U left as they were  
shutting 
> down What a disappointment now 4 me to just find this out from U. 
What  did U 
> want them to relate as the truth etc. that got U fired  & then  NOT 
PROPERLY 
> PAID? I am in Buff if U care to phone 176-688-7686 as U most well  
know.
>


If I were to send you a $20.00 bill, WLeed3, do you think you could 
take a little more of your precious time to actually type out "you" 
instead of "U" and "for" instead of "4"?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-27 Thread WLeed3





Y yes I could & will do so in future with YOU now with out the 20 
HA! HA! HO!





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[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  wrote:
> > > > TorquiseB writes: snipped
> > > > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always
> > > > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of
> > > > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of
> > > > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him
> > > > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals
> > > > it for what it is.
> > 
> > You really should qualify your use of the term "TMer", TorquiseB.
> > 
> > I think it should read "TMOer" because that's really what you 
> > are referring to: someone in the TM organisation that takes 
> > instructions from the TMO and MMY.
> > 
> > That's NOT a TMer: a TMer is one who practises the TM program 
> > and doesn't follow a guru nor is involved in the TMO.
> 
> That's actually a good point, and I agree with it.
> 
> However, it should be obvious from a few people
> here that you don't actually have to have any
> position within the TM organization to be as 
> much of a True Believer as those who are. In
> fact, I think that sometimes it actually *helps*
> to perpetuate one's illusions about Maharishi
> to have never met him, or even seen him, except
> on videotape.

I suspect it works just the opposite: If you've
never been around him, you haven't had a chance
to get hooked on the darshan and the whole
mystique surrounding him.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-27 Thread WLeed3





well I see it's NOT Tom responding but another. My address is Wm 
Leed, 75 Guilford Lane #  7 ,Wmsville ,NY., 14226-2526 four your snail 
mail & the twenty to come to me. I also accept Canadian Dollars at par. four 
your information. THANKS in advance Bill leed





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[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-27 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Y yes I could & will do so in future with YOU now with out the 20  
HA! HA! HO!
>



I'm a man of my word.

Here you go:

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[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-27 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> well I see it's NOT Tom responding but another. My address is Wm  
Leed, 75 
> Guilford Lane #  7 ,Wmsville ,NY., 14226-2526 four your snail  mail 
& the twenty 
> to come to me. I also accept Canadian Dollars at par. four  your 
information. 
> THANKS in advance Bill leed
>

Actually, I will up it to $50.00 if you would...no, wait, I'll up it 
to whatever it costs to send you back to grade school for a semester 
or two so you can learn some rudimentary grammar and spelling that 
even a 7-year-old could manage...






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-27 Thread WLeed3





WOW what a kind loving response from me 
with beams in my eyes 
& thus unwilling to cast a stone Ur way.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: a Spiritual Master? was: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > wrote:

> > > The thing that amazes me is not that people 
> > > consider Maharishi a "master," but that they are 
> > > satisfied with such a lame definition of what a 
> > > "master" is.
> > 
> > What is your definition?
> 
> I never use the term 'master,' so it wouldn't 
> come up.

You just used it above, twice.

You obviously have some definition of "master" in
mind, because you've just told us MMY is a "lame"
example of a master.

So how were you defining the term when you used it?




 If I were trying to come up with a 
> definition for what I'd consider a happening
> spiritual teacher, it would involve one who
> was capable of teaching via direct transmission.
> That is, being able to give every student the 
> subjective experience of every state of conscious-
> ness he talked about and teach any technique he
> knew, all without a word.
> 
> But that's just personal preference.
> 
> 
> ever
>






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[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-27 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> WOW what a kind loving response from me  with beams in my eyes  & 
thus 
> unwilling to cast a stone Ur way.
>

h-owe nc uf u 2 sy.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: a Spiritual Master? was: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > wrote:

> > > The thing that amazes me is not that people 
> > > consider Maharishi a "master," but that they are 
> > > satisfied with such a lame definition of what a 
> > > "master" is.
> > 
> > Well, he must have had quite an impact on you because you 
> > spend half your days dialoging on a forum devoted to his 
> > teachings and people's experiences with it and his movement...
> 
> I'm fascinated by dying spiritual movements.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That must be why you were already spending half
your days dialoguing on a forum devoted to MMY's
teachings and people's experiences with it and
his movement *back in 1994*, when the movement
was still going strong.

Try again, Barry.




 I think
> you can learn as much (and maybe more) from the ones
> who fucked it all up as you can from the ones that
> didn't.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: a Spiritual Master? was: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "brahmachari108" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
> >  
> > > wrote:
> > > > > From a friend: 
> > > > > Dear Rick
> > > > > snip
> > > > >  but we must remember
> > > > > that Maharishi, as a spiritual Master, has a 
responsibility 
> > > > > towards the spiritual enlightenement of his disciples. 
That 
> > > > > may mean that M instantly dissolves any successful venture 
> > > > > a disciple sets up if that disciple has any ego involved. 
> > > > 
> > > > What Maharishi? Talking only about first verse of Rg Ved for 
> > > > 30 years makes a maharishi?
> > > 
> > > It does if you don't know any better.
> > > 
> > > It does if you are so incurious as to have been
> > > *satisfied* with that little actual substance in
> > > 30 years.
> > > 
> > > The thing that amazes me is not that people 
> > > consider Maharishi a "master," but that they are 
> > > satisfied with such a lame definition of what a 
> > > "master" is.
> > 
> > What is your definition?
> 
> I never use the term 'master,' so it wouldn't 
> come up. If I were trying to come up with a 
> definition for what I'd consider a happening
> spiritual teacher, it would involve one who
> was capable of teaching via direct transmission.
> That is, being able to give every student the 
> subjective experience of every state of conscious-
> ness he talked about and teach any technique he
> knew, all without a word.
> 
> But that's just personal preference.
> 
> 
> ever
>
That works- not sure if it contradicts MMY as he is known. Yeah, the 
term master is more about the student and less about the teacher, eh?






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[FairfieldLife] We are in Kansas!

2006-03-27 Thread bob_brigante
http://tinyurl.com/kab9z

"The World Capital of Peace will be inaugurated as a national center 
of coherence and harmony for America during global celebrations on 
Tuesday, March 28, at 12:00 noon in Washington Township, Smith 
County, Kansas. The celebrations will be broadcast live via 
satellite and Internet webcast (www.globalcountry.org). 

The 480-acre site is located in the Brahmasthan (geographical 
center) of America—approximately 90 miles south of Interstate 80 and 
128 miles north of Interstate 70 near the junction of US Hwy 281 and 
US Hwy 36. The address is 17022 100 Road, Smith Center, Kansas. 

The site will also be home to the Capital of the US Peace Government 
and its President Dr. John Hagelin, world-renowned quantum physicist 
and Minister of Science and Technology of the Global Country of 
World Peace. 

'This will be a great day for America and the world,' Dr. Hagelin 
said. 'We are moving the Capital of America from Washington, D.C., 
to Washington Township, Kansas. From there, the US Peace Government 
will create coherence in the collective consciousness so the 
darkness of problems and suffering in the nation will go,' Dr. 
Hagelin said. 'We will make the existing government invincible.' 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Donovan last night

2006-03-27 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > There must have been well over a thousand people packed into the 
Rec 
> > Center last night for David Lynch and Donovan. Great atmosphere, 
and 
> it was 
> > fabulous to hear all those sixties hits again. Donovan has a nice 
> line, "I'm 
> > Maharishi's troubador -- and I'm back." It was almost like the old 
> days.
> >
> 


> And if you thinka bout how many of his hit songs were about TM and 
> Maharishi, he was and still is.
>

*

Doesn't necessarily mean that he practices TM. When I heard Donovan at 
the MIU benefit in 86 at Fairfield High School, he said (off-stage) 
that he occasionally practiced TM, and that may still be the case.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Donovan last night

2006-03-27 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >
> > > There must have been well over a thousand people packed into 
the 
> Rec 
> > > Center last night for David Lynch and Donovan. Great 
atmosphere, 
> and 
> > it was 
> > > fabulous to hear all those sixties hits again. Donovan has a 
nice 
> > line, "I'm 
> > > Maharishi's troubador -- and I'm back." It was almost like the 
old 
> > days.
> > >
> > 
> 
> 
> > And if you thinka bout how many of his hit songs were about TM 
and 
> > Maharishi, he was and still is.
> >
> 
> *
> 
> Doesn't necessarily mean that he practices TM. When I heard 
Donovan at 
> the MIU benefit in 86 at Fairfield High School, he said (off-
stage) 
> that he occasionally practiced TM, and that may still be the case.
>

I suspect that's the same with Paul McCartney.

I think people like Paul and Donovan do TM occasionally or go 
through gung-ho periods where they meditate regularly and then drop 
off for a few years and then come back to it.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: a Spiritual Master? was: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread Vaj

On Mar 27, 2006, at 1:25 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

> Well, he must have had quite an impact on you because you spend half
> your days dialoging on a forum devoted to his teachings and people's
> experiences with it and his movement...

Actually it seems this is a list for ex-TMers in recovery...an ex-TM  
12-step group...it just happens those still burning a candle for TM  
and the TM$P are the loudest and most obsessive posters.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: a Spiritual Master? was: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Mar 27, 2006, at 1:25 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> > Well, he must have had quite an impact on you because you spend 
half
> > your days dialoging on a forum devoted to his teachings and 
people's
> > experiences with it and his movement...
> 
> Actually it seems this is a list for ex-TMers in recovery...an ex-
TM  
> 12-step group...it just happens those still burning a candle for TM  
> and the TM$P are the loudest and most obsessive posters.
>
Yourself included?






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[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> on 3/27/06 9:56 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
> > wrote:
> >>> On Mar 27, 2006, at 8:10 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote:
> >>> 
>   From what I hear students at MUM were thrilled this weekend
>   having the
>   campus full of diverse looking and thinking students who
>   amazingly
>   were not afraid to get up and ask lynch and donovan whatever 
they
>   wanted, even about sex and rock and roll for gosh sakes!
> >>  
> >> Donovan and David Lynch went to India Café and Revelations
> >> yesterday and hung out and chatted with people.
> > 
> > Just as a question, did Hagelin or any of the other
> > high-mucky-mucks from the TMO get down and mingle
> > with the Great Unwashed, or was it only the truly
> > famous who did so?
> 
> Hagelin shows up at local hang outs once in a while. I've even seen 
Rajas in
> the bank, although that is rare.
>

With or without crown and robe, BTW?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: a Spiritual Master? was: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "brahmachari108" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  
wrote:
> > From a friend: 
> > Dear Rick
> > snip
> >  but we must remember
> > that Maharishi, as a spiritual Master, has a responsibility 
towards
> > the spiritual enlightenement of his disciples. That may mean that 
M
> > instantly dissolves any successful venture a disciple sets up if 
that
> > disciple has any ego involved. 
> 
> What Maharishi? Talking only about first verse of Rg Ved for 30 
years makes a maharishi?
> a spiritual master? Who has gained enlightenment from his 5-7 year 
program?
> 

I suspect David Lynchis far closer to enlightenment than you are.

> What responsibility has ever been shown?

For what?

> Is asking for your money an example of this?
> 
> What disciples?
> Kali yug
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: a Spiritual Master? was: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "brahmachari108" 
>  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 
> wrote:
> > > From a friend: 
> > > Dear Rick
> > > snip
> > >  but we must remember
> > > that Maharishi, as a spiritual Master, has a responsibility 
> > > towards the spiritual enlightenement of his disciples. That 
> > > may mean that M instantly dissolves any successful venture 
> > > a disciple sets up if that disciple has any ego involved. 
> > 
> > What Maharishi? Talking only about first verse of Rg Ved for 
> > 30 years makes a maharishi?
> 
> It does if you don't know any better.
> 
> It does if you are so incurious as to have been
> *satisfied* with that little actual substance in
> 30 years.
> 
> The thing that amazes me is not that people 
> consider Maharishi a "master," but that they are 
> satisfied with such a lame definition of what a 
> "master" is.
>

LOL. I know stuff YOU don't know...

Pathetic, Unc.






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[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-27 Thread sparaig
--- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> TorquiseB writes: snipped
> Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always
> the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of 
> the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of 
> what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him 
> who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals
> it for what it is.
> 
> Tom T:
> I worked for the NLP throughout the 2000 campaign and before the 
word
> came down to shut it down the muckity mucks were planning ahead. 
They
> asked me to stay on in a supervisory role. I thought it over and met
> with Kingsly, Lesly and Tom Stanley. I told them I would be glad to
> stay if and only if they were willing to tell themselves, the staff
> and the supporters the truth about what was going on. Needless to 
say
> I was fired and was never paid my last two weeks salary. Just goes 
to
> show you nothing has changed. Tom T
>

You think that that would endear you to most organizations?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does a million $ buy loyalty?

2006-03-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  
> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > [snip]
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > What specific project has bevan ever led that has been 
> > > > successful? 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Other than MUM for the past 25+ years, you mean?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > [snip]
> > > > > 
> > > > > Spare Egg, are you implying that MUM/MIU is/was a "success"?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I am a graduate of that place and I, for one, don't even 
put 
> > > down 
> > > > on 
> > > > > my resume that I went to that place...I prefer, instead, to 
> have 
> > > > > readers of the resume believe I am a high school graduate 
> and 
> > > that 
> > > > > that is as far as I went...
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Interesting. When did you graduate?
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 1979
> > >
> > 
> > That was the year before it was accredited...
> >
> 
> 
> ...and your point?
>

DIfferent organization, IMHO.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: a Spiritual Master? was: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "brahmachari108" 
> >  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
>  
> > wrote:
> > > > From a friend: 
> > > > Dear Rick
> > > > snip
> > > >  but we must remember
> > > > that Maharishi, as a spiritual Master, has a responsibility 
> > > > towards the spiritual enlightenement of his disciples. That 
> > > > may mean that M instantly dissolves any successful venture 
> > > > a disciple sets up if that disciple has any ego involved. 
> > > 
> > > What Maharishi? Talking only about first verse of Rg Ved for 
> > > 30 years makes a maharishi?
> > 
> > It does if you don't know any better.
> > 
> > It does if you are so incurious as to have been
> > *satisfied* with that little actual substance in
> > 30 years.
> > 
> > The thing that amazes me is not that people 
> > consider Maharishi a "master," but that they are 
> > satisfied with such a lame definition of what a 
> > "master" is.
> >
> 
> Well, he must have had quite an impact on you because you spend 
half 
> your days dialoging on a forum devoted to his teachings and 
people's 
> experiences with it and his movement...
>

Noticed that did you...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: a Spiritual Master? was: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Mar 27, 2006, at 1:25 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> > Well, he must have had quite an impact on you because you spend 
half
> > your days dialoging on a forum devoted to his teachings and 
people's
> > experiences with it and his movement...
> 
> Actually it seems this is a list for ex-TMers in recovery...an ex-
TM  
> 12-step group...it just happens those still burning a candle for TM  
> and the TM$P are the loudest and most obsessive posters.
>

Okay, you asked for it, Vaj!

Ahem, mind telling what each of the 12 steps you refer to are?  -):






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[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-27 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In 
> FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > TorquiseB writes: snipped
> > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always
> > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of 
> > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of 
> > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him 
> > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals
> > it for what it is.
> > 
> > Tom T:
> > I worked for the NLP throughout the 2000 campaign and before the 
> word
> > came down to shut it down the muckity mucks were planning ahead. 
> They
> > asked me to stay on in a supervisory role. I thought it over and 
met
> > with Kingsly, Lesly and Tom Stanley. I told them I would be glad 
to
> > stay if and only if they were willing to tell themselves, the 
staff
> > and the supporters the truth about what was going on. Needless 
to 
> say
> > I was fired and was never paid my last two weeks salary. Just 
goes 
> to
> > show you nothing has changed. Tom T
> >
> 
> You think that that would endear you to most organizations?
>

Most honest organisations, yes.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM memo on Lynch weekend

2006-03-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sounds like sensible advice to me, as sensible as 
> realizing that such an email was necessary.

So you're saying that no other organization would have needed such an 
email?

> 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM memo on Lynch weekend

2006-03-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like sensible advice to me, as sensible as 
> > realizing that such an email was necessary.
> 
> 
> 
> The only thing that screams louder than being an actual cult is an 
> email edict instructing how NOT to appear to be an actual cult.
>

Guffaw.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does a million $ buy loyalty?

2006-03-27 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> >  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" 
 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > [snip]
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > What specific project has bevan ever led that has 
been 
> > > > > successful? 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Other than MUM for the past 25+ years, you mean?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > [snip]
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Spare Egg, are you implying that MUM/MIU is/was 
a "success"?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I am a graduate of that place and I, for one, don't even 
> put 
> > > > down 
> > > > > on 
> > > > > > my resume that I went to that place...I prefer, instead, 
to 
> > have 
> > > > > > readers of the resume believe I am a high school 
graduate 
> > and 
> > > > that 
> > > > > > that is as far as I went...
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Interesting. When did you graduate?
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 1979
> > > >
> > > 
> > > That was the year before it was accredited...
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > ...and your point?
> >
> 
> DIfferent organization, IMHO.
>

Why?  Degrees handed out pre-accreditation are, retroactively, 
acknowledged as coming from an accredited college?

What differences are you referring to?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM memo on Lynch weekend

2006-03-27 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds like sensible advice to me, as sensible as 
> > > realizing that such an email was necessary.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The only thing that screams louder than being an actual cult is 
an 
> > email edict instructing how NOT to appear to be an actual cult.
> >
> 
> Guffaw.
>

Why "guffaw"?

What other purpose or reason do you suppose such an email had?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: a Spiritual Master? was: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Mar 27, 2006, at 1:25 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> > Well, he must have had quite an impact on you because you spend half
> > your days dialoging on a forum devoted to his teachings and people's
> > experiences with it and his movement...
> 
> Actually it seems this is a list for ex-TMers in recovery...an ex-TM  
> 12-step group...it just happens those still burning a candle for TM  
> and the TM$P are the loudest and most obsessive posters.
>

...

Don't post things likethat while I'm eating. It makes the keyboard 
messy.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Donovan last night

2006-03-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >
> > > There must have been well over a thousand people packed into 
the 
> Rec 
> > > Center last night for David Lynch and Donovan. Great 
atmosphere, 
> and 
> > it was 
> > > fabulous to hear all those sixties hits again. Donovan has a 
nice 
> > line, "I'm 
> > > Maharishi's troubador -- and I'm back." It was almost like the 
old 
> > days.
> > >
> > 
> 
> 
> > And if you thinka bout how many of his hit songs were about TM 
and 
> > Maharishi, he was and still is.
> >
> 
> *
> 
> Doesn't necessarily mean that he practices TM. When I heard Donovan 
at 
> the MIU benefit in 86 at Fairfield High School, he said (off-stage) 
> that he occasionally practiced TM, and that may still be the case.
>


These days, I'm lucky to get in one session. I guess I'm no longer a 
TMer?





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[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In 
> > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > TorquiseB writes: snipped
> > > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was always
> > > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality of 
> > > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of 
> > > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto him 
> > > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and reveals
> > > it for what it is.
> > > 
> > > Tom T:
> > > I worked for the NLP throughout the 2000 campaign and before 
the 
> > word
> > > came down to shut it down the muckity mucks were planning 
ahead. 
> > They
> > > asked me to stay on in a supervisory role. I thought it over 
and 
> met
> > > with Kingsly, Lesly and Tom Stanley. I told them I would be 
glad 
> to
> > > stay if and only if they were willing to tell themselves, the 
> staff
> > > and the supporters the truth about what was going on. Needless 
> to 
> > say
> > > I was fired and was never paid my last two weeks salary. Just 
> goes 
> > to
> > > show you nothing has changed. Tom T
> > 
> > You think that that would endear you to most organizations?
> 
> Most honest organisations, yes.

An honest organization might well be pissed off if
an employee demanded to be told the truth about what
was going on.

(If they then fired you for suggesting they were
dishonest, they'd still be likely to pay you whatever
they owed you, however.)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does a million $ buy loyalty?

2006-03-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> >  
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > >  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" 
>  
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > [snip]
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > What specific project has bevan ever led that has 
> been 
> > > > > > successful? 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Other than MUM for the past 25+ years, you mean?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > [snip]
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Spare Egg, are you implying that MUM/MIU is/was 
> a "success"?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I am a graduate of that place and I, for one, don't 
even 
> > put 
> > > > > down 
> > > > > > on 
> > > > > > > my resume that I went to that place...I prefer, 
instead, 
> to 
> > > have 
> > > > > > > readers of the resume believe I am a high school 
> graduate 
> > > and 
> > > > > that 
> > > > > > > that is as far as I went...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Interesting. When did you graduate?
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1979
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > That was the year before it was accredited...
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ...and your point?
> > >
> > 
> > DIfferent organization, IMHO.
> >
> 
> Why?  Degrees handed out pre-accreditation are, retroactively, 
> acknowledged as coming from an accredited college?
> 
> What differences are you referring to?
>

They have more incentive to keep their nose clean since they might 
LOSE accreditation if they go over the line on stuff.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: a Spiritual Master? was: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "brahmachari108" 
> >  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
>  
> > wrote:
> > > > From a friend: 
> > > > Dear Rick
> > > > snip
> > > >  but we must remember
> > > > that Maharishi, as a spiritual Master, has a responsibility 
> > > > towards the spiritual enlightenement of his disciples. That 
> > > > may mean that M instantly dissolves any successful venture 
> > > > a disciple sets up if that disciple has any ego involved. 
> > > 
> > > What Maharishi? Talking only about first verse of Rg Ved for 
> > > 30 years makes a maharishi?
> > 
> > It does if you don't know any better.
> > 
> > It does if you are so incurious as to have been
> > *satisfied* with that little actual substance in
> > 30 years.
> > 
> > The thing that amazes me is not that people 
> > consider Maharishi a "master," but that they are 
> > satisfied with such a lame definition of what a 
> > "master" is.
> 
> LOL. I know stuff YOU don't know...
> 
> Pathetic, Unc.

Almost sounds...



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[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM memo on Lynch weekend

2006-03-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sounds like sensible advice to me, as sensible as 
> > > > realizing that such an email was necessary.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The only thing that screams louder than being an actual cult is 
> an 
> > > email edict instructing how NOT to appear to be an actual cult.
> > >
> > 
> > Guffaw.
> >
> 
> Why "guffaw"?
> 
> What other purpose or reason do you suppose such an email had?
>

To remind people to not get all gung-ho about converting people just 
as it says. But just because you're enthusiastic about something, and 
need to be calmed down a bit, doesn't make you a cult follower in a 
cult. True, MUM is just about the most cultish of all the large TMO 
facilities, but even MUM isn't THAT culty compared to, say, 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: a Spiritual Master? was: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread Vaj

On Mar 27, 2006, at 7:12 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mar 27, 2006, at 1:25 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> >
> > > Well, he must have had quite an impact on you because you spend
> half
> > > your days dialoging on a forum devoted to his teachings and
> people's
> > > experiences with it and his movement...
> >
> > Actually it seems this is a list for ex-TMers in recovery...an ex-
> TM
> > 12-step group...it just happens those still burning a candle for TM
> > and the TM$P are the loudest and most obsessive posters.
> >
>
> Okay, you asked for it, Vaj!
>
> Ahem, mind telling what each of the 12 steps you refer to are?  -):

I said like a 12-step group...it would be humorous to list the steps  
I guess...



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Replay of Saturday morning David Lynch

2006-03-27 Thread Vaj


I downloaded the entire thing. The Donovan Q&A has been completely removed.On Mar 27, 2006, at 8:22 AM, sparaig wrote:Watch it at http://www.davidlynchfoundation.orgI missed the first part, with Lynch himself. Such a CC-ish kind of guy, though I suspect that the nicotine habit qualifies as one of those "sleeping elephant" things.Hopefully, the rest of the weekend will be made available as well, though the Donovan performance might not make it due to the usual issues with performance licensing.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Donovan last night

2006-03-27 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There must have been well over a thousand people packed into 
> the 
> > Rec 
> > > > Center last night for David Lynch and Donovan. Great 
> atmosphere, 
> > and 
> > > it was 
> > > > fabulous to hear all those sixties hits again. Donovan has a 
> nice 
> > > line, "I'm 
> > > > Maharishi's troubador -- and I'm back." It was almost like 
the 
> old 
> > > days.
> > > >
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > > And if you thinka bout how many of his hit songs were about TM 
> and 
> > > Maharishi, he was and still is.
> > >
> > 
> > *
> > 
> > Doesn't necessarily mean that he practices TM. When I heard 
Donovan 
> at 
> > the MIU benefit in 86 at Fairfield High School, he said (off-
stage) 
> > that he occasionally practiced TM, and that may still be the 
case.
> >
> 
> 
> These days, I'm lucky to get in one session. I guess I'm no longer 
a 
> TMer?
>


You're only meditating once a day, Spare Egg?

No, I wouldn't refer to you as a TMer.







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[FairfieldLife] oops.

2006-03-27 Thread Vaj
Reminds me to take that typing class:

http://mum.org/


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does a million $ buy loyalty?

2006-03-27 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Why?  Degrees handed out pre-accreditation are, retroactively, 
> acknowledged as coming from an accredited college?
> 
> What differences are you referring to?
>

*

Since MIU was a candidate for accreditation (which means the school is 
almost certain to qualify for accreditation, having met certain 
prerequisites) beginning in 1975 before it was actually granted 
accreditation in 1980, degrees granted pre-accreditation would be 
acknowledged as coming from an accredited college:

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM memo on Lynch weekend

2006-03-27 Thread Sal Sunshine
I was going to say...you can be sure with instructions like that, that the idea *is* to sell them whatever they can, and to convince them that they can't live without it.

Sal


On Mar 27, 2006, at 2:31 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

 The only thing that screams louder than being an actual cult is an 
 email edict instructing how NOT to appear to be an actual cult.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 >  wrote:
 > >
 > > From a friend:
 > > 
 > > this email was sent last week within mum -- you can post this 
 but 
 > leave
 > > my name off 
 > > 
 > > Dear Faculty and Ideal Administrators,
 > > 
 > > It now appears that about 750-800 people will be joining us from 
 > around
 > > the country. Here are some thoughts regarding our interactions 
 with
 > > visitors:
 > > 
 > > We're not trying to sell the visitors anything, nor convince of 
 > them of
 > > anything.

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM memo on Lynch weekend

2006-03-27 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sounds like sensible advice to me, as sensible as 
> > > > > realizing that such an email was necessary.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > The only thing that screams louder than being an actual cult 
is 
> > an 
> > > > email edict instructing how NOT to appear to be an actual 
cult.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Guffaw.
> > >
> > 
> > Why "guffaw"?
> > 
> > What other purpose or reason do you suppose such an email had?
> >
> 
> To remind people to not get all gung-ho about converting people 
just 
> as it says. But just because you're enthusiastic about something, 
and 
> need to be calmed down a bit, doesn't make you a cult follower in 
a 
> cult. True, MUM is just about the most cultish of all the large 
TMO 
> facilities, but even MUM isn't THAT culty compared to, say, 
> Scientology.




I would have agreed with that statement 20 years ago.

Now I'm not so sure.






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