[FairfieldLife] Herbalife?
Anyone tried Herbalife products? My TM-instructor has for several years been a fairly successful distributor, belonging to the International President's Team. Seems to me he's a bit coy about once being a TM-teacher...
[FairfieldLife] RE: Herbalife?
Integrity. The products or the person? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister@... wrote: Anyone tried Herbalife products? My TM-instructor has for several years been a fairly successful distributor, belonging to the International President's Team. Seems to me he's a bit coy about once being a TM-teacher...
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short Note on Yahoo Groups and Neo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Well, I went to the web site, logged in an posted a couple pictures of what the Neo interface looks like on a mobile device for those that don't own one. Except that was a couple hours ago and it still hasn't shown up. Bad Yahoo! Yahoo is bug city, that's fersure. But when you think about it, all of Judy's criteria for discussion-oriented forums are in fact criteria for ARGUING. Most *discussions* could take place very easily with a few top-posted lines in reply to someone else's post. It's only nitpicky, my ego is right and yours is wrong, line-by-line refutations that require the kind of interface she wants. Same with Search. Who *needs* to look up a bunch of comments on a chat board, except for someone whose ego is heavily invested in winning some imaginary battle by arguing on that forum? Just to expand on this a bit, the very perceived *need for* a good Search function on discussion boards strikes me as suspect, and contributing to an atmosphere of argumentation. On *most* (by far!) forums that I've participated in over the more-than-35-years I've been in computing, no one would have ever felt that they needed a Search function. The reason, of course, is that for most people such forums are Here And Now, and largely In The Moment. People say stuff, other people respond, and on the whole within 24 hours any perceived affronts and disagreements are forgotten, and folks have moved on to the next Here And Now, In The Moment discussion. Fairfield Life is not like that, and I firmly believe it's because one person brought Living In An Eternal Past Of Grudges And Never-To-Be-Forgotten Affronts to FFL with her from alt.meditation.transcendental, where she ran the exact same routine for years. For her -- and for those who have sadly tried to emulate her in the time since -- the Search engine is a mechanism for Putting People Down or Putting Their Enemies 'In Their Place.' *She* doesn't like the Neo Search interface because it makes it harder for her *to* live in the past, and to do anything and everything she can think of to try to get other people to live there, too. *She* dives into the Yahoo Search function to try to get the people she doesn't like, and find something they said in the past that she can use to try to convince other posters to dislike them in the present. I think it's silly, and more than a little pathetic. Being somewhat of a long-winded writer myself, I am *not* fond of the real genesis of top posting, which is the belief that Twitter and Facebook and such media have trained people to have short attention spans, and thus *only* write short posts or replies. I still think there is a place for longer, well-considered posts. Or replies. What I *don't* think there is a place for is the petty, vindictive flame wars that seem to be de rigeur on many forums. promoted and encouraged by social misfits who seem to feel alive only when they've either enticed someone else into arguing with them, or enticed them into putting down someone they dislike. THAT -- the nastiness factor, and the pettiness factor -- is the aspect of FFL that people have been complaining about recently, far more than Neo and its shortcomings. Neo arrived at the same time that a few people regained the ability to spew their argumentative, ego-driven crap here non-stop. If Neo's limited Search capabilities have slowed that crap-flood down in any way, I say good for Neo.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: A Short Note on Yahoo Groups and Neo
I think most understand why Barry is inveighing against a functional Search feature: if there's an accessible record of past posts, it's more difficult for him to lie with impunity Of course, catching Barry in his many, many, many lies is hardly the only use for Search on FFL and similar forums. He knows that, but he's happy to sacrifice all other uses in the interests of being able to lie without fear of rebuttal (especially about me, as he does in this post). Lying is his M.O., his way of being-in-the-world; if he can't lie, he feels exposed and defenseless. He's basically an inadequate human being who needs to be able to lie to bolster his fragile self-esteem. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Well, I went to the web site, logged in an posted a couple pictures of what the Neo interface looks like on a mobile device for those that don't own one. Except that was a couple hours ago and it still hasn't shown up. Bad Yahoo! Yahoo is bug city, that's fersure. But when you think about it, all of Judy's criteria for discussion-oriented forums are in fact criteria for ARGUING. Most *discussions* could take place very easily with a few top-posted lines in reply to someone else's post. It's only nitpicky, my ego is right and yours is wrong, line-by-line refutations that require the kind of interface she wants. Same with Search. Who *needs* to look up a bunch of comments on a chat board, except for someone whose ego is heavily invested in winning some imaginary battle by arguing on that forum? Just to expand on this a bit, the very perceived *need for* a good Search function on discussion boards strikes me as suspect, and contributing to an atmosphere of argumentation. On *most* (by far!) forums that I've participated in over the more-than-35-years I've been in computing, no one would have ever felt that they needed a Search function. The reason, of course, is that for most people such forums are Here And Now, and largely In The Moment. People say stuff, other people respond, and on the whole within 24 hours any perceived affronts and disagreements are forgotten, and folks have moved on to the next Here And Now, In The Moment discussion. Fairfield Life is not like that, and I firmly believe it's because one person brought Living In An Eternal Past Of Grudges And Never-To-Be-Forgotten Affronts to FFL with her from alt.meditation.transcendental, where she ran the exact same routine for years. For her -- and for those who have sadly tried to emulate her in the time since -- the Search engine is a mechanism for Putting People Down or Putting Their Enemies 'In Their Place.' *She* doesn't like the Neo Search interface because it makes it harder for her *to* live in the past, and to do anything and everything she can think of to try to get other people to live there, too. *She* dives into the Yahoo Search function to try to get the people she doesn't like, and find something they said in the past that she can use to try to convince other posters to dislike them in the present. I think it's silly, and more than a little pathetic. Being somewhat of a long-winded writer myself, I am *not* fond of the real genesis of top posting, which is the belief that Twitter and Facebook and such media have trained people to have short attention spans, and thus *only* write short posts or replies. I still think there is a place for longer, well-considered posts. Or replies. What I *don't* think there is a place for is the petty, vindictive flame wars that seem to be de rigeur on many forums. promoted and encouraged by social misfits who seem to feel alive only when they've either enticed someone else into arguing with them, or enticed them into putting down someone they dislike. THAT -- the nastiness factor, and the pettiness factor -- is the aspect of FFL that people have been complaining about recently, far more than Neo and its shortcomings. Neo arrived at the same time that a few people regained the ability to spew their argumentative, ego-driven crap here non-stop. If Neo's limited Search capabilities have slowed that crap-flood down in any way, I say good for Neo.
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The Vivid and Present Threat of Hooliganism on Fairfield Life.
How about liars, Buck? Do you feel liars are perfectly acceptable on FFL and in civil society generally? Society has no need to protect itself from liars, right? Buck wrote: Banishment, has its place in civil society to protect society. In protecting the larger right of any civil community to exist it certainly is why societies remove asocial types from society.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short Note on Yahoo Groups and Neo
I watched an interesting talk the other day about how to tell when people are lying, conducted by one of the world's most foremost experts in the field. One of the most fascinating tips was to watch how many times the person being evaluated uses the words lie OR lying OR liar to describe other people. The more often they do, the more likely that the person doing this is is himself or herself a chronic liar. Number of FFL posts in which Judy has used one or more of those words: 2672. Try running that same search against other posters. *Any* other posters. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I think most understand why Barry is inveighing against a functional Search feature: if there's an accessible record of past posts, it's more difficult for him to lie with impunity Of course, catching Barry in his many, many, many lies is hardly the only use for Search on FFL and similar forums. He knows that, but he's happy to sacrifice all other uses in the interests of being able to lie without fear of rebuttal (especially about me, as he does in this post). Lying is his M.O., his way of being-in-the-world; if he can't lie, he feels exposed and defenseless. He's basically an inadequate human being who needs to be able to lie to bolster his fragile self-esteem.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Going out of my mind?
Barry wrote: There is more in heaven and earth than is dreamed of in your philosophy, Horatio. And there are more scams in heaven and earth, too. Learning to tell the difference seems to be the real nature of the game. The real players keep learning. The amateurs settle for the first explanation given to them and stop. Interestingly, this is as true of self-styled skeptics as it is of believers. The skeptopath will seize on anything, no matter how shaky, that appears to explain away a particular instance of woo, even when they'd quickly and scornfully reject a similarly shaky explanation in favor of the woo. Astrology is a case in point, and we've seen many demonstrations of this principle in connection with astrology right here on FFL. The knee-jerk skeptics are deeply ignorant of how astrology is said to work and of what its real claims are, but the skeptics are absolutely rock-bottom certain it's been refuted by parlor-game tests that refute only the skeptics' confused and inadequate understanding of astrology. Astrology isn't easy to refute if one is thoroughly familiar with how it operates, but skeptopaths aren't the least bit interested in even making the effort to become familiar enough with it to know what they need to refute. I'm pretty sure astrology can be refuted--but it may be that only a skilled astrologer who is also scientifically minded would know how to do it.
[FairfieldLife] 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth
10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/ http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/ We are not face-to-face on FFL, it's all words, words, words. There are those here who make a big deal of their integrity. Perhaps that is a suspect trait.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: A Short Note on Yahoo Groups and Neo
How about actually citing this interesting talk, Barry, so the rest of us can watch it? What's the name of this world's foremost expert in the field? Barry wrote: I watched an interesting talk the other day about how to tell when people are lying, conducted by one of the world's most foremost experts in the field. One of the most fascinating tips was to watch how many times the person being evaluated uses the words lie OR lying OR liar to describe other people. The more often they do, the more likely that the person doing this is is himself or herself a chronic liar. Number of FFL posts in which Judy has used one or more of those words: 2672. Try running that same search against other posters. *Any* other posters. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I think most understand why Barry is inveighing against a functional Search feature: if there's an accessible record of past posts, it's more difficult for him to lie with impunity Of course, catching Barry in his many, many, many lies is hardly the only use for Search on FFL and similar forums. He knows that, but he's happy to sacrifice all other uses in the interests of being able to lie without fear of rebuttal (especially about me, as he does in this post). Lying is his M.O., his way of being-in-the-world; if he can't lie, he feels exposed and defenseless. He's basically an inadequate human being who needs to be able to lie to bolster his fragile self-esteem.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Going out of my mind?
(snip) Woo certainly can be fun. I just do not think it is real. The reason I think enlightenment is real is it is the realisation that there is nothing more to life than what one has already experienced all one's life. The search for something beyond does not discover something beyond (though at times it seems as if there is), it rather exhausts all the ideas one has that there is something beyond, and then one is left with what has always been. Nothing new under the Sun. So as M said, 'nothing ever happened'. So in the end, you achieved nothing, got nothing. There is a certain peace of mind in having gotten rid of a lot of speculation you thought was real because you are no longer seeking something more. Like waking up from a dream, you have not accomplished anything because an hallucination naturally stopped. This, to me, is a tragedy for you. Hopefully, before you die, you will wake up from this terrible hallucination. Life is so much more than this. It is also not possible that life would be structured in this way. For there to be nothing more is not possible. You came from nothing but here you are. You claim there is nothing after, nothing, in fact, at all. Maybe I am missing your definition of nothing here but to me nothing means zero, emptiness, no consciousness, no being. And to find oneself seeking nothing more is not where I ever want my life to land me. You might as well be nothing at that point. You have not escaped your illusions, you have floundered dead into the center of one. I hope life will find itself willing and able to lift you out of it because it is not a place of the final truth of things. If something seems really strange and mysterious and incomprehensible, is it always necessary to formulate an explanation or an hypothesis or theory about it? Being in a place where you just do not know is not a bad place. I like to speculate, but nothing I say is really true, it's a picture, an incomplete snapshot of a mental model in my mind. It may or may not have utility, for me or for anyone else. To argue endlessly about what cannot be seen, heard, touched, felt, and smelt is a fool's errand. You say nothing you say is really true. Does this mean that is so for that statement? This kind of thing can go around in an endless loop. Same as someone saying I don't have beliefs. That, of course is a belief. And to speculate or argue endlessly about what can not be seen or heard... is such a limited/limiting statement. If you have not seen or heard or touched or felt something does not mean you won't or can't - eventually - or that others have not. You just require proof other than their word that they have and so depending upon your definition or the degree or the form of the proof that you require beyond the person's testimony about such things you may or may not believe them or the fact that these 'unknowns' exist. Sometimes discussing and probing these things produces useful experience and it surely means that one is open to finding out, not closed and certain of the reality that they simply don't exist or we can never come to know them. I was gratified to be able to answer promptly. I said I don't know. -- Mark Twain
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: A Short Note on Yahoo Groups and Neo
It may be true that the Yahoo Neo search function is not ready for prime time. But, I started years ago keeping a data base of my own posts and any replies I received at alt.m.t. and FFL - any serious author would probably do that. Most of my on-topic messages will go into the book I'm writing. I've also got a folder marked FFL dumps' - that's where I put most of the dumps on me from Judy. I probably haven't had a conversation with Judy for at least ten years. Go figure. There's not many dumps in there from Barry - he hasn't had much to say to me since I made fun of his guru, Rama, which is funny, since I kinda liked what Rama was teaching. Then Barry posted some foul comments concerning my birth circumstances, which is really funny, because apparently Barry is from Texas. Go figure. One thing I've noticed about Judy, is that she hates people to post fibs, but what she hates even more is when people catch her in a fib - witness the recent denial from Judy concerning the inane comments she posted about the TMer bija mantras not being the nick-names of the Hindu gods, although I quoted her verbatim from her own statements, along with the URL so everyone could go read it for themselves. Figure that one out! http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/364364 Years ago I caught Judy in a couple of big fibs and ever since then she's hated me - one time Judy claimed that a baby had died inside the New Orleans Super Dome during Katrina, which was untrue; before that I caught her fibbing about John Kerry being in Cambodia at Christmas in 1968. Judy will absolutely never admit that she made an error or repeated a fib, even when her own words are staring her in the face! A few days ago Judy even denied she was doing business from her home office and posted that I was lying. Everyone knows that Judy works from her home, she even said so in a previous post! Fact is, everyone lies to a certain extent - it goes with the territory if you're posting as an anonymous respondent, but most people when they get caught making an error will at least dialog about it. *Judy was probably just trolling and lying - if anyone wants to get more details they can contact me directly. LoL!* On 11/27/2013 8:01 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: I think most understand why Barry is inveighing against a functional Search feature: if there's an accessible record of past posts, it's more difficult for him to lie with impunity Of course, catching Barry in his many, many, many lies is hardly the only use for Search on FFL and similar forums. He knows that, but he's happy to sacrifice all other uses in the interests of being able to lie without fear of rebuttal (especially about me, as he does in this post). Lying is his M.O., his way of being-in-the-world; if he can't lie, he feels exposed and defenseless. He's basically an inadequate human being who needs to be able to lie to bolster his fragile self-esteem. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Well, I went to the web site, logged in an posted a couple pictures of what the Neo interface looks like on a mobile device for those that don't own one. Except that was a couple hours ago and it still hasn't shown up. Bad Yahoo! Yahoo is bug city, that's fersure. But when you think about it, all of Judy's criteria for discussion-oriented forums are in fact criteria for ARGUING. Most *discussions* could take place very easily with a few top-posted lines in reply to someone else's post. It's only nitpicky, my ego is right and yours is wrong, line-by-line refutations that require the kind of interface she wants. Same with Search. Who *needs* to look up a bunch of comments on a chat board, except for someone whose ego is heavily invested in winning some imaginary battle by arguing on that forum? Just to expand on this a bit, the very perceived *need for* a good Search function on discussion boards strikes me as suspect, and contributing to an atmosphere of argumentation. On *most* (by far!) forums that I've participated in over the more-than-35-years I've been in computing, no one would have ever felt that they needed a Search function. The reason, of course, is that for most people such forums are Here And Now, and largely In The Moment. People say stuff, other people respond, and on the whole within 24 hours any perceived affronts and disagreements are forgotten, and folks have moved on to the next Here And Now, In The Moment discussion. Fairfield Life is not like that, and I firmly believe it's because one person brought Living In An Eternal Past Of Grudges And
[FairfieldLife] Re: 100 Great Rock Artists
Eric Clapton [image: Inline image 1] One of his most popular recordings is Robert Johnson's Crossroads, recorded by Cream, with Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker. Cream Reunion Concert - Crossroads http://youtu.be/UGrnUdGAWUE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton Ranked second in Rolling Stone magazine's list of the '100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time', and fourth in Gibson's 'Top 50 Guitarists of All Time'. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-guitarists/eric-claptonhttp://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-guitarists-2023/eric-clapton-2022 http://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/Top-50-Guitarists-528.aspx According to Bob Gulla, Clapton's sound and playing inspired a well-publicized graffiti that deified him with the famous slogan Clapton is God. The phrase was spray-painted by an admirer on a wall in an Islington Underground station in the autumn of 1967. The graffiti was captured in a now-famous photograph, in which a dog is urinating on the wall. Work cited: 'Guitar Gods: The 25 Players Who Made Rock History' by Bob Gulla Greenwood, 2008 pgs. 40–41 Read more: Eric Clapton, Clapton, The Autobiography by Eric Clapton Broadway Book1 'Wonderful Tonight: George Harrison, Eric Clapton, and Me' by Pattie Boyd Three Rivers Press, 2008 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: Stevie Ray Vaughan [image: Inline image 1] Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble - Live at El Mocambo, Austin, Texas 1983 http://youtu.be/smSiCjYIvrM ...number seven on Rolling Stone's list of 100 Greatest Guitarists. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevie_Ray_Vaughan Eric Clapton: It's going to be a long time before anyone that brilliant will come along again. I had the unenviable task of following Stevie's blistering set, just hours before the fatal crash. I think I had gone past the point of being envious or depressed, because I knew that no one would expect me to be that good (liner notes, Greatest Hits). On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: John Fogerty on Austin City Limits playing his 1956 Les Paul Gold Top with P-90 pickups: [image: Inline image 1] The Old Man Down The Road - John Fogerty - Live on Austin City Limits 2004 http://youtu.be/4Lf0pQoRgFQ Rolling Stone magazine's list of 100 Greatest Guitarists at No. 40. 100 Greatest Singers at No. 72. The songs Proud Mary and Born on the Bayou also rank amongst the Greatest Pop songs (Proud Mary, #41) and Guitar songs (Born on the Bayou, #53). John Fogerty: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fogerty Austin City Limits http://acltv.com/ On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: Back when people could actually sing and play music for real: [image: Inline image 1] Bob Seeger The Silver Bullet Band: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Seger Night Moves Live-Bob Seger: http://youtu.be/mKaHci9Mc4A Early Detroit Band: Marshall Crenshaw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Crenshaw Marshall Crenshaw 2010 Detroit All Star Revue: http://youtu.be/HiaYst5wIQI
[FairfieldLife] RE: 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth
Hey, Barry, have a look at this. It's fascinating. Xeno wrote: 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/ http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/ We are not face-to-face on FFL, it's all words, words, words. There are those here who make a big deal of their integrity. Perhaps that is a suspect trait. Um, or perhaps not. Legitimately suspect, that is. Me, I think the most reliable way to tell if someone is a liar is whether there is documented evidence that they have lied. (That's why a functioning Search feature is so frightening to Barry.)
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: A Short Note on Yahoo Groups and Neo
This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: It may be true that the Yahoo Neo search function is not ready for prime time. But, I started years ago keeping a data base of my own posts and any replies I received at alt.m.t. and FFL - any serious author would probably do that. Most of my on-topic messages will go into the book I'm writing. I've also got a folder marked FFL dumps' - that's where I put most of the dumps on me from Judy. I probably haven't had a conversation with Judy for at least ten years. Go figure. There's not many dumps in there from Barry - he hasn't had much to say to me since I made fun of his guru, Rama, which is funny, since I kinda liked what Rama was teaching. Then Barry posted some foul comments concerning my birth circumstances, which is really funny, because apparently Barry is from Texas. Go figure. One thing I've noticed about Judy, is that she hates people to post fibs, but what she hates even more is when people catch her in a fib - witness the recent denial from Judy concerning the inane comments she posted about the TMer bija mantras not being the nick-names of the Hindu gods, although I quoted her verbatim from her own statements, along with the URL so everyone could go read it for themselves. Figure that one out! http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/364364 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/364364 Years ago I caught Judy in a couple of big fibs and ever since then she's hated me - one time Judy claimed that a baby had died inside the New Orleans Super Dome during Katrina, which was untrue; before that I caught her fibbing about John Kerry being in Cambodia at Christmas in 1968. Judy will absolutely never admit that she made an error or repeated a fib, even when her own words are staring her in the face! A few days ago Judy even denied she was doing business from her home office and posted that I was lying. Everyone knows that Judy works from her home, she even said so in a previous post! Fact is, everyone lies to a certain extent - it goes with the territory if you're posting as an anonymous respondent, but most people when they get caught making an error will at least dialog about it. Judy was probably just trolling and lying - if anyone wants to get more details they can contact me directly. LoL! On 11/27/2013 8:01 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: I think most understand why Barry is inveighing against a functional Search feature: if there's an accessible record of past posts, it's more difficult for him to lie with impunity Of course, catching Barry in his many, many, many lies is hardly the only use for Search on FFL and similar forums. He knows that, but he's happy to sacrifice all other uses in the interests of being able to lie without fear of rebuttal (especially about me, as he does in this post). Lying is his M.O., his way of being-in-the-world; if he can't lie, he feels exposed and defenseless. He's basically an inadequate human being who needs to be able to lie to bolster his fragile self-esteem. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Well, I went to the web site, logged in an posted a couple pictures of what the Neo interface looks like on a mobile device for those that don't own one. Except that was a couple hours ago and it still hasn't shown up. Bad Yahoo! Yahoo is bug city, that's fersure. But when you think about it, all of Judy's criteria for discussion-oriented forums are in fact criteria for ARGUING. Most *discussions* could take place very easily with a few top-posted lines in reply to someone else's post. It's only nitpicky, my ego is right and yours is wrong, line-by-line refutations that require the kind of interface she wants. Same with Search. Who *needs* to look up a bunch of comments on a chat board, except for someone whose ego is heavily invested in winning some imaginary battle by arguing on that forum? Just to expand on this a bit, the very perceived *need for* a good Search function on discussion boards strikes me as suspect, and contributing to an atmosphere of argumentation. On *most* (by far!) forums that I've participated in over the more-than-35-years I've been in computing, no one would have ever felt that they needed a Search function. The reason, of course, is that for most people such forums are Here And Now, and largely In The Moment. People say stuff, other people respond, and on the whole
Re: [FairfieldLife] 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth
Maybe, but I almost always suspect someone of not being totally honest when they post as an anonymous informant. I used to post under various handles until I got outed, and so I decided when I retired, I would just use my real name. I've got nothing to hide and nobody can fire me from my job since I'm self-employed now. But using a handle is no biggie to me because I understand why some people need to keep their privacy. But, I did get a little paranoid reading Bill's post where he claimed Ravi had stalked or threatened, to what - expose Bill and his wife. What's up with that? That's when things get REALLY nasty around here - I wouldn't blame Rick if he shut down the whole discussion group, if that's what going to happen here on a regular basis! It is always troubling to see someone get banned from the group. Where I used to work, you had to really screw up big time to get fired - like smoking pot in the parking lot or something like that. Hardly anyone gets banned on FFL - Kirk got banned for cursing too. Go figure. And, I don't care if people post mean things about me sometimes - it could always just be a joke of some kind - like when Barry2 posted that my real name was Walter White. LoL! On 11/27/2013 8:49 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: /*10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth*/ http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/ We are not face-to-face on FFL, it's all words, words, words. There are those here who make a big deal of their integrity. Perhaps that is a suspect trait.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What I Did Today
Richard, yesterday I went to Coldwater Creek in Annapolis Town Center. I got my Mom a tunic length blouse for her birthday. It's a beautiful paisley print in black on white. But it's a little too small so we'll take it back today after lunch. I'm taking her and my sister to Brio's for lunch, also in Annapolis Town Center. People are calling my Mom this morning to wish her Happy Birthday. She's 83 and still zips around pretty well. Actually her foot can be a little heavy on the pedal but I just close my eyes LOL! On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:47 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Today we went back to this place: On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: My Whole Foods has lots of dried fruit and nuts: On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Soon, Richard, I'll be going to the Whole Foods in Annapolis. They have TWO kinds of quinoa concoctions at the salad bar. How many different kinds of quinoa salad does your Whole Foods have? PS I LOVE these photos of the different places you visit or drive by! On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:25 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Tonight we went to this place: On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Today I drove by this place: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: This morning I went to this place: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On the way home from the store I visited this place: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: There;s a rock and roll running marathon here today and there having a Formula Grand Prix race up in Austin. But, I went to this place today: On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Today I went by this place. What are those people all lined up for, waiting for days? On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Later today I drove past this place: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: There's an app for this: https://twitter.com/ I'm sure everyone on FFL will sign up for your tweets. On 11/15/2013 12:07 PM, Richard Williams wrote: Alright, I'm back on the discussion board; sorry for the delay but I had to go here::
Re: [FairfieldLife] Herbalife?
There's nothing wrong with taking a few vitamins and an occasional laxative, as long as you don't overdo it. But, who knows what's in those pills? Most of them, so I've read, are manufactured over in China, so take most vitamins at your own risk. There are lots of natural diet foods to eat that will be a lot easier on your bowels too. Really, if you eat four square meals a day, and get some exercise four times a week, you'll be plenty healthy naturally. The real problem with Herbalife products is that it's based on a pyramid scheme, just like Amway. On 11/27/2013 3:54 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com wrote: Anyone tried Herbalife products? My TM-instructor has for several years been a fairly successful distributor, belonging to the International President's Team. Seems to me he's a bit coy about once being a TM-teacher...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Herbalife?
Card, I don't recommend Herbalife either. But I think it's good to go by your own intuition. You could try it and see how you feel. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:28 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: There's nothing wrong with taking a few vitamins and an occasional laxative, as long as you don't overdo it. But, who knows what's in those pills? Most of them, so I've read, are manufactured over in China, so take most vitamins at your own risk. There are lots of natural diet foods to eat that will be a lot easier on your bowels too. Really, if you eat four square meals a day, and get some exercise four times a week, you'll be plenty healthy naturally. The real problem with Herbalife products is that it's based on a pyramid scheme, just like Amway. On 11/27/2013 3:54 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com wrote: Anyone tried Herbalife products? My TM-instructor has for several years been a fairly successful distributor, belonging to the International President's Team. Seems to me he's a bit coy about once being a TM-teacher...
[FairfieldLife] Who = he; he = she!
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[FairfieldLife] RE: Herbalife?
You can certainly take this all with a large grain of salt. I am sure there are many other sites that recommend it and many that do not. http://enlita.com/blog/herbalife-review-herbalife-scam http://enlita.com/blog/herbalife-review-herbalife-scam ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Card, I don't recommend Herbalife either. But I think it's good to go by your own intuition. You could try it and see how you feel. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:28 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: There's nothing wrong with taking a few vitamins and an occasional laxative, as long as you don't overdo it. But, who knows what's in those pills? Most of them, so I've read, are manufactured over in China, so take most vitamins at your own risk. There are lots of natural diet foods to eat that will be a lot easier on your bowels too. Really, if you eat four square meals a day, and get some exercise four times a week, you'll be plenty healthy naturally. The real problem with Herbalife products is that it's based on a pyramid scheme, just like Amway. On 11/27/2013 3:54 AM, cardemaister@... mailto:cardemaister@... wrote: Anyone tried Herbalife products? My TM-instructor has for several years been a fairly successful distributor, belonging to the International President's Team. Seems to me he's a bit coy about once being a TM-teacher...
Re: [FairfieldLife] 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth
I think Truth is something huge, that cannot really be completely conveyed in words alone. Unless the speaker or writer is communicating from a very settled and integrated level of consciousness. OTOH, unless someone has a nefarious intention, I think most people try to communicate truthfully. But each of us is limited by our connection to Truth. The most trustworthy people, imho, are those who recognize this and intend to become more and more truthful. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:21 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe, but I almost always suspect someone of not being totally honest when they post as an anonymous informant. I used to post under various handles until I got outed, and so I decided when I retired, I would just use my real name. I've got nothing to hide and nobody can fire me from my job since I'm self-employed now. But using a handle is no biggie to me because I understand why some people need to keep their privacy. But, I did get a little paranoid reading Bill's post where he claimed Ravi had stalked or threatened, to what - expose Bill and his wife. What's up with that? That's when things get REALLY nasty around here - I wouldn't blame Rick if he shut down the whole discussion group, if that's what going to happen here on a regular basis! It is always troubling to see someone get banned from the group. Where I used to work, you had to really screw up big time to get fired - like smoking pot in the parking lot or something like that. Hardly anyone gets banned on FFL - Kirk got banned for cursing too. Go figure. And, I don't care if people post mean things about me sometimes - it could always just be a joke of some kind - like when Barry2 posted that my real name was Walter White. LoL! On 11/27/2013 8:49 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/ We are not face-to-face on FFL, it's all words, words, words. There are those here who make a big deal of their integrity. Perhaps that is a suspect trait.
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth
Wanted to add a couple points here (in blue): I wrote: Hey, Barry, have a look at this. It's fascinating. Xeno wrote: 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/ http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/ We are not face-to-face on FFL, it's all words, words, words. Obviously things like facial expressions, tone of voice, and gestures are inapplicable here; but there were several items on that list that can be found in writing. There are those here who make a big deal of their integrity. Perhaps that is a suspect trait. Um, or perhaps not. Legitimately suspect, that is. Obviously Xeno is attempting a defense of Barry here, but several other people have tried to use this tactic against me as well. As I've pointed out when they've done this. I almost never tout my own integrity unless it's been challenged. So Xeno's line of attack is not legitimate in my case. Me, I think the most reliable way to tell if someone is a liar is whether there is documented evidence that they have lied. (That's why a functioning Search feature is so frightening to Barry.) I think this is key. We can smarmily speculate all we want about telltale signs that a person might be lying, but where's the beef? Do we have hard evidence that a person is a liar? In Barry's case (and that of several others here), we most definitely do. Signs, shmigns. They're just guesswork and/or nasty innuendo, and we don't need 'em because we have a dated record in black-and-white of what has been said on this forum.
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth
Share platitudinated irrelevantly: I think Truth is something huge, that cannot really be completely conveyed in words alone. Unless the speaker or writer is communicating from a very settled and integrated level of consciousness. Duh. However, we haven't been talking about Truth, we've been talking about truths, mundane facts as opposed to falsehoods, which can easily be completely conveyed in words alone if one is honest. No need for an exalted level of consciousness for those. OTOH, unless someone has a nefarious intention, I think most people try to communicate truthfully. But each of us is limited by our connection to Truth. The most trustworthy people, imho, are those who recognize this and intend to become more and more truthful. Yes, most folks on FFL, thank goodness, do try to communicate truthfully. However, there are several bad apples here who repeatedly lie to gain advantage over a critic, or to defend themselves from a valid criticism, or even just for fun because they enjoy lying. Those kinds of lies are terribly destructive to any feeling of community on FFL, and those of us who just let them go by (or worse, try to distract us from them or make excuses for them) are enabling that destructiveness. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:21 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: Maybe, but I almost always suspect someone of not being totally honest when they post as an anonymous informant. I used to post under various handles until I got outed, and so I decided when I retired, I would just use my real name. I've got nothing to hide and nobody can fire me from my job since I'm self-employed now. But using a handle is no biggie to me because I understand why some people need to keep their privacy. But, I did get a little paranoid reading Bill's post where he claimed Ravi had stalked or threatened, to what - expose Bill and his wife. What's up with that? That's when things get REALLY nasty around here - I wouldn't blame Rick if he shut down the whole discussion group, if that's what going to happen here on a regular basis! It is always troubling to see someone get banned from the group. Where I used to work, you had to really screw up big time to get fired - like smoking pot in the parking lot or something like that. Hardly anyone gets banned on FFL - Kirk got banned for cursing too. Go figure. And, I don't care if people post mean things about me sometimes - it could always just be a joke of some kind - like when Barry2 posted that my real name was Walter White. LoL! On 11/27/2013 8:49 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote: 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/ http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/ We are not face-to-face on FFL, it's all words, words, words. There are those here who make a big deal of their integrity. Perhaps that is a suspect trait.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth
I think the solution to all of this kerfuffle is simple, and what Judy really wants: Always believe Judy. Because, as she has said many times, I never lie. Researchers into lying would find this claim rather suspect, because in their studies they've never found a single individual who *never* lies. But forget that, because Judy has *other* talents, which she has espoused often (although possibly not in these words): I *know* what he/she really meant. He/she *knows* this isn't true. (And she knows that.) So just do what Judy wants. Believe everything she says, and treat it as if it were Truth Incarnate. And treat her as the ULTIMATE AUTHORITY IN ALL THINGS she so longs to be perceived as. Ignore the part about her being a fuckin' loon.
[FairfieldLife] The vibe is familiar.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The vibe is familiar.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: http://i.imgur.com/sFu9L8L.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sFu9L8L.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sFu9L8L.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sFu9L8L.jpg So you were at some of the early SRM/IMS meetings in L.A., too? :-)
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: The vibe is familiar.
That's Rasputin with his sycophants. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: http://i.imgur.com/sFu9L8L.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sFu9L8L.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sFu9L8L.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sFu9L8L.jpg So you were at some of the early SRM/IMS meetings in L.A., too? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The vibe is familiar.
I knew that. So you *weren't* at some of the early SRM/IMS meetings in L.A., too? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: That's Rasputin with his sycophants. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: http://i.imgur.com/sFu9L8L.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sFu9L8L.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sFu9L8L.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sFu9L8L.jpg So you were at some of the early SRM/IMS meetings in L.A., too? :-)
[FairfieldLife] How Not To Be The Most Dickish Customer In The Store On Black Friday
I love this woman. I have worked retail in my life, and during the holiday rush. She is the first person I've ever encountered who tells it like it is, and to the right people: http://www.xojane.com/relationships/how-not-to-be-the-most-dickish-custo\ mer-in-the-store-on-black-friday http://www.xojane.com/relationships/how-not-to-be-the-most-dickish-cust\ omer-in-the-store-on-black-friday
[FairfieldLife] Re: 100 Great Rock Artists
Jeff Beck [image: Inline image 1] Jeff Beck live at Ronnie Scott's: http://youtu.be/uIwSt2R54Xs According to Rolling Stone, Jeff Beck is one of the most influential lead guitarists in rock. As a solo artist and as a replaced Eric Clapton in the blues group The Yardbirds, with Jimmy Page. Beck is ranked fifth in Rolling Stone's list of the 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time. One notable performnce among many was recorded at Ronnie Scott's that included 21-year old Tal Wilkenfeld, which is available on DVD - an amazing performance! Jeff Beck no longer uses a plectrum or a pick, instead he uses a finger style on a Fender Stratocaster, and a wah-wah pedal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Beck Read more: 'Hot Wired Guitar: The Life of Jeff Beck' by Martin Power Omnibus Press, 2012 On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: Eric Clapton [image: Inline image 1] One of his most popular recordings is Robert Johnson's Crossroads, recorded by Cream, with Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker. Cream Reunion Concert - Crossroads http://youtu.be/UGrnUdGAWUE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton Ranked second in Rolling Stone magazine's list of the '100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time', and fourth in Gibson's 'Top 50 Guitarists of All Time'. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-guitarists/eric-claptonhttp://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-guitarists-2023/eric-clapton-2022 http://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/Top-50-Guitarists-528.aspx According to Bob Gulla, Clapton's sound and playing inspired a well-publicized graffiti that deified him with the famous slogan Clapton is God. The phrase was spray-painted by an admirer on a wall in an Islington Underground station in the autumn of 1967. The graffiti was captured in a now-famous photograph, in which a dog is urinating on the wall. Work cited: 'Guitar Gods: The 25 Players Who Made Rock History' by Bob Gulla Greenwood, 2008 pgs. 40–41 Read more: Eric Clapton, Clapton, The Autobiography by Eric Clapton Broadway Book1 'Wonderful Tonight: George Harrison, Eric Clapton, and Me' by Pattie Boyd Three Rivers Press, 2008 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: Stevie Ray Vaughan [image: Inline image 1] Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble - Live at El Mocambo, Austin, Texas 1983 http://youtu.be/smSiCjYIvrM ...number seven on Rolling Stone's list of 100 Greatest Guitarists. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevie_Ray_Vaughan Eric Clapton: It's going to be a long time before anyone that brilliant will come along again. I had the unenviable task of following Stevie's blistering set, just hours before the fatal crash. I think I had gone past the point of being envious or depressed, because I knew that no one would expect me to be that good (liner notes, Greatest Hits). On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: John Fogerty on Austin City Limits playing his 1956 Les Paul Gold Top with P-90 pickups: [image: Inline image 1] The Old Man Down The Road - John Fogerty - Live on Austin City Limits 2004 http://youtu.be/4Lf0pQoRgFQ Rolling Stone magazine's list of 100 Greatest Guitarists at No. 40. 100 Greatest Singers at No. 72. The songs Proud Mary and Born on the Bayou also rank amongst the Greatest Pop songs (Proud Mary, #41) and Guitar songs (Born on the Bayou, #53). John Fogerty: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fogerty Austin City Limits http://acltv.com/ On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: Back when people could actually sing and play music for real: [image: Inline image 1] Bob Seeger The Silver Bullet Band: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Seger Night Moves Live-Bob Seger: http://youtu.be/mKaHci9Mc4A Early Detroit Band: Marshall Crenshaw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Crenshaw Marshall Crenshaw 2010 Detroit All Star Revue: http://youtu.be/HiaYst5wIQI
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth
Barry shoots himself in the foot...again: Always believe Judy. Because, as she has said many times, I never lie. Researchers into lying would find this claim rather suspect, because in their studies they've never found a single individual who *never* lies. Love it, love it, love it. From the article Xeno linked to (10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth):: Liars give very specific denials. We’ve already discussed the human impulse to avoid implicating ourselves. So we can expect liars to be very particular in what they say and don’t say. Truth-tellers have no problem issuing categorical denials—I never cheated anyone in my whole life—where as the liar will choose his words ever so carefully. Ooopsie...
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Neo Mobile
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I'm seeing one (1) screenshot. It looks incredibly claustrophobic, especially given that the size of the screenshot is much bigger than what you'd see in real life if you were looking at the phone. I was hoping you'd have a screenshot of a post, preferably one showing a post with a message history so we could see how the formatting works on a mobile. Post a screenshot of the How do I have an argument on this? topic from the Online Help, too. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@ wrote: I'll try this again. Here are a couple of screenshots of FFL on an Android smartphone for those who don't have a mobile device:
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth
Say, Barry, is this the leading expert whose lecture about lying you watched? The woman whose article about signs of lying that Xeno linked to, Pamela Meyer, is founder and CEO of Calibrate http://calibrate-inc.com/, a leading deception detection training company, and of social networking company Simpatico Networks. She holds an MBA from Harvard, an MA in Public Policy from Claremont Graduate School, and is a Certified Fraud Examiner. She has extensive training in the use of visual clues and psychology to detect deception. Barry shoots himself in the foot...again: Always believe Judy. Because, as she has said many times, I never lie. Researchers into lying would find this claim rather suspect, because in their studies they've never found a single individual who *never* lies. Love it, love it, love it. From the article Xeno linked to (10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth):: Liars give very specific denials. We’ve already discussed the human impulse to avoid implicating ourselves. So we can expect liars to be very particular in what they say and don’t say. Truth-tellers have no problem issuing categorical denials—I never cheated anyone in my whole life—where as the liar will choose his words ever so carefully. Ooopsie...
[FairfieldLife] Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
Re: [FairfieldLife] Scientists and Writers Answer Little Kids’ Big Questions
turq, I love that question: does my goldfish know who I am. Kids not only say the darndest things, they also ask the best questions. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:43 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2013/11/26/does-my-goldfish-know-who-i-am/?utm_content=buffera7d02utm_source=bufferutm_medium=twitterutm_campaign=Buffer Any scientist who can't explain to an eight-year-old what he's doing is a charlatan. - Kurt Vonnegut
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Mick Jagger Will be a Great-Grandfather?
John, Bianca Jagger a great grandmother?! I can't tell if that makes me feel older or younger (-: On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:40 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, The great-grand mom is Bianca De Macias, the second wife of Jagger, according to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Jagger ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: And do we know who the great grand mom is? (-: I would love to see his jyotish chart! On Monday, November 25, 2013 1:17 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Share, As a popular musician with many groupies, we really don't know exactly how many children he has fathered. At least, for now and for the record, he will have one great-grandchild very soon. :) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: John, I'd guess that he has a great chart overall, certainly for money and fame and creativity. My sister's oldest grandchild turned 21 last June but I don't see her producing offspring any time soon. Which is fine as my sister and her husband are still enjoying being doting grand parents. On Sunday, November 24, 2013 6:37 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: It appears that he's got a good jyotish chart for children. http://music.yahoo.com/news/mick-jagger-become-great-grandfather-205700131-rolling-stone.html
[FairfieldLife] RE: Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
Powerful stuff. I think if Bhairitu reads it, he'll immediately convert to Roman Catholicism. ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
Thom Hartmann actually said that he might have to convert to Catholicism. Not me, I'm not into religions at all. But you don't have to be the Pope to figure this out. On 11/27/2013 12:00 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Powerful stuff. I think if Bhairitu reads it, he'll immediately convert to Roman Catholicism. ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htz9CS-Zmms http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htz9CS-Zmms ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Powerful stuff. I think if Bhairitu reads it, he'll immediately convert to Roman Catholicism. ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Neo Mobile
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bhairitu wrote: Here you go. Remember most people will be reading on a smartphone a few inches from their face. As you see the message history is an option which can be selected. The first image was the start screen which has the banner. You can scroll down the messages as far as you want. Also the phone can be turned sideways for a wider display though shorter display (handy for ready Turqs hard return messages). You'll possibly have noticed that I have abandoned the hard returns as the Old Geezers Of Internet Tech They Are. :-) You got me looking at FFL on different formats, and so I noticed that the old style didn't work as well on most screens these days. So I changed. As opposed, one might say, to someone who doesn't like a new variety of tech because it doesn't allow her to keep arguing the same way she's been arguing for almost twenty years now. Just sayin'. :-) :-) :-)
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
Very good that he actually said it. I am not terribly religious myself, though he has a lot of influence, being The Pope, and all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Thom Hartmann actually said that he might have to convert to Catholicism. Not me, I'm not into religions at all. But you don't have to be the Pope to figure this out. On 11/27/2013 12:00 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Powerful stuff. I think if Bhairitu reads it, he'll immediately convert to Roman Catholicism. ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
It's just so startling hearing something like that these days from anyone but a librul-type Protestant or Jew. Francis is really busting up the contemporary image of Roman Catholicism. Of course Church doctrine has always had a very strong social-justice, caring-for-the-oppressed component; it just hasn't been the most evident theme in recent times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Very good that he actually said it. I am not terribly religious myself, though he has a lot of influence, being The Pope, and all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Thom Hartmann actually said that he might have to convert to Catholicism. Not me, I'm not into religions at all. But you don't have to be the Pope to figure this out. On 11/27/2013 12:00 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Powerful stuff. I think if Bhairitu reads it, he'll immediately convert to Roman Catholicism. ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
[FairfieldLife] Le Verbalon, again
That's the name of the cafe I've been writing from in Paris lately, the one with the cozy terrace with the good space heaters. I dined here tonight, and then stuck around to see if any of the people I had such a charming conversation with last Thursday might show up again. Voila. Ritam, dude. My friend (from the other night) Ben showed up, and he dragged a friend over and into an ongoing conversation in both French and English. It was cool, sort of a foreign language exchange. His friend wanted to practice his English, I wanted to practice my French, and so everything went just swimmingly. Purists would probably have been horrified by our butchering of each others' native languages, but we had fun. We discussed movies, women, places to live, women (hey, they're French), philosophy, and many other topics, in both languages. Then a third friend of Ben's joined us, and we continued to explore our mutual shared vocabularies in another language. Then a fourth and fifth friend arrived, and it continued far into the evening. Sadly, Goldine (from the other night) was not one of the friends in attendance, but I have two more weeks of nights here before I leave Paris, so hope springs eternal. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth
The most reliable proof is to post the message number and the URL to the actual words, like when I posted your own words and the URL to see them, and you still called me a liar. Richard is lying. I never said anything about the technique, whatever it is, or was. Nor did I say the bijas weren't nicknames of the deities (whatever nicknames means in this context). http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/364436 ...the TM mantras are *not* the names of the Hindu gods. The Hindu gods have perfectly good names of their own. Subject: Re: do you ever repeat your mantra when you are asleep and dreaming? Author: Judy Stein Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Sat, Dec 17 2005 1:22 pm http://tinyurl.com/9gxse On 11/27/2013 9:11 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *Hey, Barry, have a look at this. It's fascinating. * * Xeno wrote: * /*10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth*/ http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/ We are not face-to-face on FFL, it's all words, words, words. There are those here who make a big deal of their integrity. Perhaps that is a suspect trait. *Um, or perhaps not. /Legitimately/ suspect, that is.* Me, I think the most reliable way to tell if someone is a liar is whether there is documented evidence that they have lied. (That's why a functioning Search feature is so frightening to Barry.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: A Short Note on Yahoo Groups and Neo
Denial. That pretty much says it all, doesn't it? On 11/27/2013 9:15 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know.* ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: It may be true that the Yahoo Neo search function is not ready for prime time. But, I started years ago keeping a data base of my own posts and any replies I received at alt.m.t. and FFL - any serious author would probably do that. Most of my on-topic messages will go into the book I'm writing. I've also got a folder marked FFL dumps' - that's where I put most of the dumps on me from Judy. I probably haven't had a conversation with Judy for at least ten years. Go figure. There's not many dumps in there from Barry - he hasn't had much to say to me since I made fun of his guru, Rama, which is funny, since I kinda liked what Rama was teaching. Then Barry posted some foul comments concerning my birth circumstances, which is really funny, because apparently Barry is from Texas. Go figure. One thing I've noticed about Judy, is that she hates people to post fibs, but what she hates even more is when people catch her in a fib - witness the recent denial from Judy concerning the inane comments she posted about the TMer bija mantras not being the nick-names of the Hindu gods, although I quoted her verbatim from her own statements, along with the URL so everyone could go read it for themselves. Figure that one out! http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/364364 Years ago I caught Judy in a couple of big fibs and ever since then she's hated me - one time Judy claimed that a baby had died inside the New Orleans Super Dome during Katrina, which was untrue; before that I caught her fibbing about John Kerry being in Cambodia at Christmas in 1968. Judy will absolutely never admit that she made an error or repeated a fib, even when her own words are staring her in the face! A few days ago Judy even denied she was doing business from her home office and posted that I was lying. Everyone knows that Judy works from her home, she even said so in a previous post! Fact is, everyone lies to a certain extent - it goes with the territory if you're posting as an anonymous respondent, but most people when they get caught making an error will at least dialog about it. *Judy was probably just trolling and lying - if anyone wants to get more details they can contact me directly. LoL!* On 11/27/2013 8:01 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: I think most understand why Barry is inveighing against a functional Search feature: if there's an accessible record of past posts, it's more difficult for him to lie with impunity Of course, catching Barry in his many, many, many lies is hardly the only use for Search on FFL and similar forums. He knows that, but he's happy to sacrifice all other uses in the interests of being able to lie without fear of rebuttal (especially about me, as he does in this post). Lying is his M.O., his way of being-in-the-world; if he can't lie, he feels exposed and defenseless. He's basically an inadequate human being who needs to be able to lie to bolster his fragile self-esteem. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Well, I went to the web site, logged in an posted a couple pictures of what the Neo interface looks like on a mobile device for those that don't own one. Except that was a couple hours ago and it still hasn't shown up. Bad Yahoo! Yahoo is bug city, that's fersure. But when you think about it, all of Judy's criteria for discussion-oriented forums are in fact criteria for ARGUING. Most *discussions* could take place very easily with a few top-posted lines in reply to someone else's post. It's only nitpicky, my ego is right and yours is wrong, line-by-line refutations that require the kind of interface she wants. Same with Search. Who *needs* to look up a bunch of comments on a chat board, except for someone whose ego is heavily invested in winning some imaginary battle by arguing on that forum? Just to expand on this a bit, the very perceived *need for* a good Search function on discussion boards strikes me as suspect, and contributing to an atmosphere of argumentation. On *most* (by far!) forums that I've participated in over the more-than-35-years I've been in computing, no one would have ever felt that they needed a Search function. The reason, of course, is that for most people such forums
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: FFL Neo Mobile
Yes, I know, but as I said, a multi-message message history is where the formatting becomes loathesome on the Web site. So it would be informative to see whether it's better on a mobile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Show message history will just show all the messages inline as you scroll down so a screenshot would not be very informative. Reading FFL on the phone is handy after I've put my computers to bed. ;-) On 11/27/2013 01:10 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Thanks, but I'd still like to see a screen shot of a post showing a message history--say at least three layers deep--because that's where the formatting gets so screwed up on the Web site. Also like to see a reply post with comments interleaved. Don't bother if it's a hassle; I'm just curious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote: Here you go. Remember most people will be reading on a smartphone a few inches from their face. As you see the message history is an option which can be selected. The first image was the start screen which has the banner. You can scroll down the messages as far as you want. Also the phone can be turned sideways for a wider display though shorter display (handy for ready Turqs hard return messages). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I'm seeing one (1) screenshot. It looks incredibly claustrophobic, especially given that the size of the screenshot is much bigger than what you'd see in real life if you were looking at the phone. I was hoping you'd have a screenshot of a post, preferably one showing a post with a message history so we could see how the formatting works on a mobile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@ wrote: I'll try this again. Here are a couple of screenshots of FFL on an Android smartphone for those who don't have a mobile device:
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth
I don't know why you keep quoting stuff that documents the fact that you were lying, but that's your problem. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: The most reliable proof is to post the message number and the URL to the actual words, like when I posted your own words and the URL to see them, and you still called me a liar. Richard is lying. I never said anything about the technique, whatever it is, or was. Nor did I say the bijas weren't nicknames of the deities (whatever nicknames means in this context). http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/364436 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/364436 ...the TM mantras are *not* the names of the Hindu gods. The Hindu gods have perfectly good names of their own. Subject: Re: do you ever repeat your mantra when you are asleep and dreaming? Author: Judy Stein Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Sat, Dec 17 2005 1:22 pm http://tinyurl.com/9gxse http://tinyurl.com/9gxse On 11/27/2013 9:11 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Hey, Barry, have a look at this. It's fascinating. Xeno wrote: 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/ http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/ We are not face-to-face on FFL, it's all words, words, words. There are those here who make a big deal of their integrity. Perhaps that is a suspect trait. Um, or perhaps not. Legitimately suspect, that is. Me, I think the most reliable way to tell if someone is a liar is whether there is documented evidence that they have lied. (That's why a functioning Search feature is so frightening to Barry.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
Hartmann had Peter Schiff in the opening segment of the show yesterday. That guy is really going nuts. He still thinks that trickle down and free markets will work. I know libertarians who say that there have never been any free markets. Yet we see so much desperation these days especially from the retail sector. Remember when you might only occasionally get spam from an online retailer? Now it is often every day. Up until I cut the cable I rarely saw a TV commercial but they have a couple of them in breaks on Hulu+. They are mostly insipid and I wonder why anyone would buying something due to a commercial? I always thought that people in marketing were missing a few cylinders. And when the majority of the country who are now being pushed into poverty find they can no longer afford to eat then the shit will really hit the fan. On 11/27/2013 01:04 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Very good that he actually said it. I am not terribly religious myself, though he has a lot of influence, being The Pope, and all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Thom Hartmann actually said that he might have to convert to Catholicism. Not me, I'm not into religions at all. But you don't have to be the Pope to figure this out. On 11/27/2013 12:00 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Powerful stuff. I think if Bhairitu reads it, he'll immediately convert to Roman Catholicism. ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
I think it's going to take way more than one good Pope to bust up the contemporary image of Roman Catholicism! As for the Church having a *doctrine* of social justice, caring for the oppressed, what good is it if the Church hordes its Vatican gold plates while babies are starving in the world?! On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:17 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: It's just so startling hearing something like that these days from anyone but a librul-type Protestant or Jew. Francis is really busting up the contemporary image of Roman Catholicism. Of course Church doctrine has always had a very strong social-justice, caring-for-the-oppressed component; it just hasn't been the most evident theme in recent times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Very good that he actually said it. I am not terribly religious myself, though he has a lot of influence, being The Pope, and all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Thom Hartmann actually said that he might have to convert to Catholicism. Not me, I'm not into religions at all. But you don't have to be the Pope to figure this out. On 11/27/2013 12:00 PM, authfriend@... wrote: Powerful stuff. I think if Bhairitu reads it, he'll immediately convert to Roman Catholicism. ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
RE: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
Share bumbled: I think it's going to take way more than one good Pope to bust up the contemporary image of Roman Catholicism! Francis is already doing so, as you'd know if you were paying attention. As for the Church having a *doctrine* of social justice, caring for the oppressed, what good is it if the Church hordes its Vatican gold plates while babies are starving in the world?! Did you think you were challenging me with this question, Share?!? Did you not bother to read my last sentence beyond the semicolon!?! On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:17 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: It's just so startling hearing something like that these days from anyone but a librul-type Protestant or Jew. Francis is really busting up the contemporary image of Roman Catholicism. Of course Church doctrine has always had a very strong social-justice, caring-for-the-oppressed component; it just hasn't been the most evident theme in recent times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Very good that he actually said it. I am not terribly religious myself, though he has a lot of influence, being The Pope, and all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Thom Hartmann actually said that he might have to convert to Catholicism. Not me, I'm not into religions at all. But you don't have to be the Pope to figure this out. On 11/27/2013 12:00 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Powerful stuff. I think if Bhairitu reads it, he'll immediately convert to Roman Catholicism. ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: FFL Neo Mobile
Multi messages are shown inline just the same way they are shown on desktop. The main difference between desktop and mobile is 1) you only get the message list and not the sidebars and 2) they provide an option to list the rest of the messages rather than downloading all of them. Progressive scrolls save data charges for some people on mobile though for me it would be hard to rack up more than 5 GB a month and at home I just get the stuff on the phone wifi anyway. On 11/27/2013 01:47 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, I know, but as I said, a multi-message message history is where the formatting becomes loathesome on the Web site. So it would be informative to see whether it's better on a mobile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Show message history will just show all the messages inline as you scroll down so a screenshot would not be very informative. Reading FFL on the phone is handy after I've put my computers to bed. ;-) On 11/27/2013 01:10 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Thanks, but I'd still like to see a screen shot of a post showing a message history--say at least three layers deep--because that's where the formatting gets so screwed up on the Web site. Also like to see a reply post with comments interleaved. Don't bother if it's a hassle; I'm just curious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote: Here you go. Remember most people will be reading on a smartphone a few inches from their face. As you see the message history is an option which can be selected. The first image was the start screen which has the banner. You can scroll down the messages as far as you want. Also the phone can be turned sideways for a wider display though shorter display (handy for ready Turqs hard return messages). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I'm seeing one (1) screenshot. It looks incredibly claustrophobic, especially given that the size of the screenshot is much bigger than what you'd see in real life if you were looking at the phone. I was hoping you'd have a screenshot of a post, preferably one showing a post with a message history so we could see how the formatting works on a mobile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@ wrote: I'll try this again. Here are a couple of screenshots of FFL on an Android smartphone for those who don't have a mobile device:
[FairfieldLife] Trickle-down Groupie Status
I made the term in the Subject line up back in the late 60s, probably before trickle down had entered the public lexicon. The reason was because I found myself in Southern California at that most opportune of times, the beginnings of the Hippie Revolution. It didn't turn out to be all that much of a revolution, but it sure as hell was fun to be part of. We were just college hippies, taking advantage of the lax laws and the fact that no one had ever promoted rock concerts on a large scale before to run light shows and promote parties/dances/light shows/concerts featuring some of the bands that were just showing up on the musical horizon at the time. Bands like the Grateful Dead, Quicksilver Messenger Service, Buffalo Springfield, The Doors, Big Brother and the Holding Company (Janis Joplin), and Jimi Hendrix. We had no money, no insurance, and we didn't know what the fuck we were doing, but we had one shitload of fun. And we got to party with the bands. It was in that setting that I first discovered the quantum mechanics of Trickle-down Groupie Status. Hot bands attracted hot groupies, hot to trot. But when it came down *to* trotting, there was a definite pecking order of groupie status. Top of the list -- hottest groupie prize -- was the lead singer in the band, if there was one. Next came the lead guitarist, or guitarists. Next, interestingly enough, came the drummer. Then the bassist and the other sidemen. All of them were pretty much guaranteed to score at the end of the gig, if 'scoring' was what they had in mind. Next came the band's manager, and after that the roadies. The guys who produced the concert and manned the light show were dead last. But, even so, there were more than enough groupies to go around, so fun -- and the groupies -- were pretty much had by all. It was a fun time, but it was a fleeting time, and I don't think about it much unless someone brings up the music of the period here or on another forum. So imagine my surprise that my conversations with Ben and his friends at Le Verbalon have seemed to confer me some kind of Old Fart Trickle-down Groupie Status. To them, the bands of that era are near-gods, the pantheon of the modern music revolution. To me, they were just guys and gals I was lucky enough to party with for a very short time in my youth. They're anxious for stories of those days (So what *was* it like to drop acid with Jerry Garcia?), and I tell them a few that I suspect will entertain them. But afterwards to some extent I can feel them projecting some kind of weirdass rock star glammer onto me, *just because I met these people a few times*. Me, I know the truth. I stumbled onto the scene by accident, enjoyed my luck at having done so, and wandered on. None of these rock gods would remember me (were they still alive), and there is no reason why they should. I was just one of the entourage, another one of the groupies (even if they had a legitimate function, like promoting the concert) who hung around musicians at that time and in that place. But for the French, almost warming their hands at the thought of what California must have been like at that time, me having been there, done that seems to confer upon me some kinda several-steps-removed groupie status on me. Weird. I suspect that Bharitu is one of the only people here who will get this. He used to play on the same stage as some of these people, as part of the opening act. Me, I just hustled to promote the concerts and worked the light shows and got invited to the after-parties. Big whoop. It was just the scene, at that time. You ran into the kinda people you ran into. If you were smart, you tried your best to have a good time with them. But -- at the time -- they weren't famous, and neither were you. You were just people, having a good time together. That shouldn't inspire groupies. It should be commonplace, how things work for everyone, all the time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Neo Mobile
On 11/27/2013 12:53 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bhairitu wrote: Here you go. Remember most people will be reading on a smartphone a few inches from their face. As you see the message history is an option which can be selected. The first image was the start screen which has the banner. You can scroll down the messages as far as you want. Also the phone can be turned sideways for a wider display though shorter display (handy for ready Turqs hard return messages). You'll possibly have noticed that I have abandoned the hard returns as the Old Geezers Of Internet Tech They Are. :-) You got me looking at FFL on different formats, and so I noticed that the old style didn't work as well on most screens these days. So I changed. As opposed, one might say, to someone who doesn't like a new variety of tech because it doesn't allow her to keep arguing the same way she's been arguing for almost twenty years now. Just sayin'. :-) :-) :-) Problem I have is the new kids worshiping companies as gods like whatever they do is right. I had a long argument with Android developers that it might WELL be appropriate to put an exit in the menu if your app goes several layers (or Intents) deep. Each Intent is really like a little app in itself. To have to press the back key several times to exit is a bit rude. Most of the Google tech writing engineers seem to have limited experience in real world software development. Similarly developers raved over the new release of the game development platform Unity3D. The company felt compelled to make one extravagant demo of their new 2D library. Problem is there are really just a few things experienced developers needed to know to get up and running using it but wading through that extravagant demo to find those points was a bit overkill. But sure as hell don't criticize Unity3D over it as the cranky dweeb fans will get all over you. I suspect they will role out a very simple example eventually as had to do that with their 3D engine.
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: FFL Neo Mobile
Good lord. I'd been giving Yahoo a tiny bit of benefit of the doubt, assuming the disastrous formatting on the Web site was an inevitable consequence of making it work on mobile. But if the formatting is just as bad on mobile, then there really is no excuse. The Neo interface is just an incompetently designed piece of software from the get-go. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Multi messages are shown inline just the same way they are shown on desktop. The main difference between desktop and mobile is 1) you only get the message list and not the sidebars and 2) they provide an option to list the rest of the messages rather than downloading all of them. Progressive scrolls save data charges for some people on mobile though for me it would be hard to rack up more than 5 GB a month and at home I just get the stuff on the phone wifi anyway. On 11/27/2013 01:47 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Yes, I know, but as I said, a multi-message message history is where the formatting becomes loathesome on the Web site. So it would be informative to see whether it's better on a mobile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote: Show message history will just show all the messages inline as you scroll down so a screenshot would not be very informative. Reading FFL on the phone is handy after I've put my computers to bed. ;-) On 11/27/2013 01:10 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Thanks, but I'd still like to see a screen shot of a post showing a message history--say at least three layers deep--because that's where the formatting gets so screwed up on the Web site. Also like to see a reply post with comments interleaved. Don't bother if it's a hassle; I'm just curious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote: Here you go. Remember most people will be reading on a smartphone a few inches from their face. As you see the message history is an option which can be selected. The first image was the start screen which has the banner. You can scroll down the messages as far as you want. Also the phone can be turned sideways for a wider display though shorter display (handy for ready Turqs hard return messages). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I'm seeing one (1) screenshot. It looks incredibly claustrophobic, especially given that the size of the screenshot is much bigger than what you'd see in real life if you were looking at the phone. I was hoping you'd have a screenshot of a post, preferably one showing a post with a message history so we could see how the formatting works on a mobile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@ wrote: I'll try this again. Here are a couple of screenshots of FFL on an Android smartphone for those who don't have a mobile device:
Re: [FairfieldLife] What I Did Today
Yesterday we also went to Whole Foods and had a nice salad. They have got to have the very best salad bar in the whole town! [image: Inline image 1] On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Richard, yesterday I went to Coldwater Creek in Annapolis Town Center. I got my Mom a tunic length blouse for her birthday. It's a beautiful paisley print in black on white. But it's a little too small so we'll take it back today after lunch. I'm taking her and my sister to Brio's for lunch, also in Annapolis Town Center. People are calling my Mom this morning to wish her Happy Birthday. She's 83 and still zips around pretty well. Actually her foot can be a little heavy on the pedal but I just close my eyes LOL! On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:47 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Today we went back to this place: [image: Inline image 1] On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: My Whole Foods has lots of dried fruit and nuts: [image: Inline image 1] On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Soon, Richard, I'll be going to the Whole Foods in Annapolis. They have TWO kinds of quinoa concoctions at the salad bar. How many different kinds of quinoa salad does your Whole Foods have? PS I LOVE these photos of the different places you visit or drive by! On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:25 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Tonight we went to this place: [image: Inline image 1] On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: Today I drove by this place: [image: Inline image 1] On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: This morning I went to this place: [image: Inline image 1] On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: On the way home from the store I visited this place: [image: Inline image 1] On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: There;s a rock and roll running marathon here today and there having a Formula Grand Prix race up in Austin. But, I went to this place today: [image: Inline image 1] On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: Today I went by this place. What are those people all lined up for, waiting for days? [image: Inline image 1] On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: Later today I drove past this place: [image: Inline image 1] On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: There's an app for this: https://twitter.com/ I'm sure everyone on FFL will sign up for your tweets. On 11/15/2013 12:07 PM, Richard Williams wrote: Alright, I'm back on the discussion board; sorry for the delay but I had to go here:: [image: Inline image 1]
Re: [FairfieldLife] 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth
I've been an respondent on the internet since 1999, so it's not like I'm a newbie or something. And it's been my observation that Judy has a really big ego, maybe bigger even than Barry, and that's saying a lot! There are facts and there are opinions - facts can be argued, but an opinion stands no matter what, and that's everyone's right to express - you may not agree, but there should be no excuse for slandering your debating opponents. It's like when some people call others 'nazis' all the time - it soon loses its force, and in the end doesn't do justice to the real nazi victims. At first I thought Judy was being very astute when she called Barry a liar over and over again; then she started going after me with the same tactic. For awhile I thought there was something wrong with me and that maybe I did lack integrity. But now, after Judy called Buck a liar for no reason at all, I've come to the conclusion that Judy is simply a well-poisoner. That's her style I guess. Hey, I'm all for truthfulness and personal integrity, but I'm just not sure dialoging with anonymous informants in an online chat-room is the place to prove it - this is supposed to fun, not a trial by a one-person judge and jury. But, it has reached a level now that she's calling almost everyone a liar, a troll, and/or a poser. At this point, she's just a very unpleasant person to deal with and not very informative either. And, there's no relief when anyone starts up a dialog with her - it's incessant and endless. Barry is a case in point - from what I can tell, Judy carries a grudge for a very, very long time. Go figure. P.S. You may have noticed that Judy does NOT respond very elegantly to constructive criticism. If anyone can point to an untruth I've posted, please let me know and point my error - be specific, so we can resolve any misunderstandings. Thanks in advance. On 11/27/2013 10:33 AM, Share Long wrote: I think Truth is something huge, that cannot really be completely conveyed in words alone. Unless the speaker or writer is communicating from a very settled and integrated level of consciousness. OTOH, unless someone has a nefarious intention, I think most people try to communicate truthfully. But each of us is limited by our connection to Truth. The most trustworthy people, imho, are those who recognize this and intend to become more and more truthful. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:21 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe, but I almost always suspect someone of not being totally honest when they post as an anonymous informant. I used to post under various handles until I got outed, and so I decided when I retired, I would just use my real name. I've got nothing to hide and nobody can fire me from my job since I'm self-employed now. But using a handle is no biggie to me because I understand why some people need to keep their privacy. But, I did get a little paranoid reading Bill's post where he claimed Ravi had stalked or threatened, to what - expose Bill and his wife. What's up with that? That's when things get REALLY nasty around here - I wouldn't blame Rick if he shut down the whole discussion group, if that's what going to happen here on a regular basis! It is always troubling to see someone get banned from the group. Where I used to work, you had to really screw up big time to get fired - like smoking pot in the parking lot or something like that. Hardly anyone gets banned on FFL - Kirk got banned for cursing too. Go figure. And, I don't care if people post mean things about me sometimes - it could always just be a joke of some kind - like when Barry2 posted that my real name was Walter White. LoL! On 11/27/2013 8:49 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com mailto:anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: /*10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth*/ http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/ We are not face-to-face on FFL, it's all words, words, words. There are those here who make a big deal of their integrity. Perhaps that is a suspect trait.
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth
This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: I've been an respondent on the internet since 1999, so it's not like I'm a newbie or something. And it's been my observation that Judy has a really big ego, maybe bigger even than Barry, and that's saying a lot! There are facts and there are opinions - facts can be argued, but an opinion stands no matter what, and that's everyone's right to express - you may not agree, but there should be no excuse for slandering your debating opponents. It's like when some people call others 'nazis' all the time - it soon loses its force, and in the end doesn't do justice to the real nazi victims. At first I thought Judy was being very astute when she called Barry a liar over and over again; then she started going after me with the same tactic. For awhile I thought there was something wrong with me and that maybe I did lack integrity. But now, after Judy called Buck a liar for no reason at all, I've come to the conclusion that Judy is simply a well-poisoner. That's her style I guess. Hey, I'm all for truthfulness and personal integrity, but I'm just not sure dialoging with anonymous informants in an online chat-room is the place to prove it - this is supposed to fun, not a trial by a one-person judge and jury. But, it has reached a level now that she's calling almost everyone a liar, a troll, and/or a poser. At this point, she's just a very unpleasant person to deal with and not very informative either. And, there's no relief when anyone starts up a dialog with her - it's incessant and endless. Barry is a case in point - from what I can tell, Judy carries a grudge for a very, very long time. Go figure. P.S. You may have noticed that Judy does NOT respond very elegantly to constructive criticism. If anyone can point to an untruth I've posted, please let me know and point my error - be specific, so we can resolve any misunderstandings. Thanks in advance. On 11/27/2013 10:33 AM, Share Long wrote: I think Truth is something huge, that cannot really be completely conveyed in words alone. Unless the speaker or writer is communicating from a very settled and integrated level of consciousness. OTOH, unless someone has a nefarious intention, I think most people try to communicate truthfully. But each of us is limited by our connection to Truth. The most trustworthy people, imho, are those who recognize this and intend to become more and more truthful. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:21 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: Maybe, but I almost always suspect someone of not being totally honest when they post as an anonymous informant. I used to post under various handles until I got outed, and so I decided when I retired, I would just use my real name. I've got nothing to hide and nobody can fire me from my job since I'm self-employed now. But using a handle is no biggie to me because I understand why some people need to keep their privacy. But, I did get a little paranoid reading Bill's post where he claimed Ravi had stalked or threatened, to what - expose Bill and his wife. What's up with that? That's when things get REALLY nasty around here - I wouldn't blame Rick if he shut down the whole discussion group, if that's what going to happen here on a regular basis! It is always troubling to see someone get banned from the group. Where I used to work, you had to really screw up big time to get fired - like smoking pot in the parking lot or something like that. Hardly anyone gets banned on FFL - Kirk got banned for cursing too. Go figure. And, I don't care if people post mean things about me sometimes - it could always just be a joke of some kind - like when Barry2 posted that my real name was Walter White. LoL! On 11/27/2013 8:49 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote: 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/ http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/ We are not face-to-face on FFL, it's all words, words, words. There are those here who make a big deal of their integrity. Perhaps that is a suspect trait.
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RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
Of course Share didn't think she was challenging you. Only an idiot or someone spoiling for a fight would think otherwise. She was just making a comment. Try to be nicer, authfriend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Share bumbled: I think it's going to take way more than one good Pope to bust up the contemporary image of Roman Catholicism! Francis is already doing so, as you'd know if you were paying attention. As for the Church having a *doctrine* of social justice, caring for the oppressed, what good is it if the Church hordes its Vatican gold plates while babies are starving in the world?! Did you think you were challenging me with this question, Share?!? Did you not bother to read my last sentence beyond the semicolon!?! On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:17 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: It's just so startling hearing something like that these days from anyone but a librul-type Protestant or Jew. Francis is really busting up the contemporary image of Roman Catholicism. Of course Church doctrine has always had a very strong social-justice, caring-for-the-oppressed component; it just hasn't been the most evident theme in recent times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Very good that he actually said it. I am not terribly religious myself, though he has a lot of influence, being The Pope, and all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Thom Hartmann actually said that he might have to convert to Catholicism. Not me, I'm not into religions at all. But you don't have to be the Pope to figure this out. On 11/27/2013 12:00 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Powerful stuff. I think if Bhairitu reads it, he'll immediately convert to Roman Catholicism. ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
RE: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
Nice try, Feste, but it doesn't make any sense that way either. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Of course Share didn't think she was challenging you. Only an idiot or someone spoiling for a fight would think otherwise. She was just making a comment. Try to be nicer, authfriend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Share bumbled: I think it's going to take way more than one good Pope to bust up the contemporary image of Roman Catholicism! Francis is already doing so, as you'd know if you were paying attention. As for the Church having a *doctrine* of social justice, caring for the oppressed, what good is it if the Church hordes its Vatican gold plates while babies are starving in the world?! Did you think you were challenging me with this question, Share?!? Did you not bother to read my last sentence beyond the semicolon!?! On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:17 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: It's just so startling hearing something like that these days from anyone but a librul-type Protestant or Jew. Francis is really busting up the contemporary image of Roman Catholicism. Of course Church doctrine has always had a very strong social-justice, caring-for-the-oppressed component; it just hasn't been the most evident theme in recent times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Very good that he actually said it. I am not terribly religious myself, though he has a lot of influence, being The Pope, and all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Thom Hartmann actually said that he might have to convert to Catholicism. Not me, I'm not into religions at all. But you don't have to be the Pope to figure this out. On 11/27/2013 12:00 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Powerful stuff. I think if Bhairitu reads it, he'll immediately convert to Roman Catholicism. ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
[FairfieldLife] Anita Moorjani#39;s NDE on CNN
Anita Moorjani (had Near Death Experience during an operation to remove tumors); featured on CNN with Anderson Cooper. 7 and 10 Eastern and Pacific, Sunday.
Re: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
What Pope Francis is saying is wonderful, but like I said, it will take more than one good Pope to change the image of the contemporary Catholic Church. And it will take more than words. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 7:19 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Nice try, Feste, but it doesn't make any sense that way either. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Of course Share didn't think she was challenging you. Only an idiot or someone spoiling for a fight would think otherwise. She was just making a comment. Try to be nicer, authfriend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Share bumbled: I think it's going to take way more than one good Pope to bust up the contemporary image of Roman Catholicism! Francis is already doing so, as you'd know if you were paying attention. As for the Church having a *doctrine* of social justice, caring for the oppressed, what good is it if the Church hordes its Vatican gold plates while babies are starving in the world?! Did you think you were challenging me with this question, Share?!? Did you not bother to read my last sentence beyond the semicolon!?! On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:17 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: It's just so startling hearing something like that these days from anyone but a librul-type Protestant or Jew. Francis is really busting up the contemporary image of Roman Catholicism. Of course Church doctrine has always had a very strong social-justice, caring-for-the-oppressed component; it just hasn't been the most evident theme in recent times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Very good that he actually said it. I am not terribly religious myself, though he has a lot of influence, being The Pope, and all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Thom Hartmann actually said that he might have to convert to Catholicism. Not me, I'm not into religions at all. But you don't have to be the Pope to figure this out. On 11/27/2013 12:00 PM, authfriend@... wrote: Powerful stuff. I think if Bhairitu reads it, he'll immediately convert to Roman Catholicism. ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
RE: Re: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
And as I said, he already has changed the Church's image. Is there an echo in here? He has also done quite a bit and will no doubt continue indefinitely. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: What Pope Francis is saying is wonderful, but like I said, it will take more than one good Pope to change the image of the contemporary Catholic Church. And it will take more than words. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 7:19 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Nice try, Feste, but it doesn't make any sense that way either. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Of course Share didn't think she was challenging you. Only an idiot or someone spoiling for a fight would think otherwise. She was just making a comment. Try to be nicer, authfriend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Share bumbled: I think it's going to take way more than one good Pope to bust up the contemporary image of Roman Catholicism! Francis is already doing so, as you'd know if you were paying attention. As for the Church having a *doctrine* of social justice, caring for the oppressed, what good is it if the Church hordes its Vatican gold plates while babies are starving in the world?! Did you think you were challenging me with this question, Share?!? Did you not bother to read my last sentence beyond the semicolon!?! On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:17 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: It's just so startling hearing something like that these days from anyone but a librul-type Protestant or Jew. Francis is really busting up the contemporary image of Roman Catholicism. Of course Church doctrine has always had a very strong social-justice, caring-for-the-oppressed component; it just hasn't been the most evident theme in recent times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Very good that he actually said it. I am not terribly religious myself, though he has a lot of influence, being The Pope, and all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Thom Hartmann actually said that he might have to convert to Catholicism. Not me, I'm not into religions at all. But you don't have to be the Pope to figure this out. On 11/27/2013 12:00 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Powerful stuff. I think if Bhairitu reads it, he'll immediately convert to Roman Catholicism. ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
[FairfieldLife] Re: 100 Great Rock Artists
Carlos Santana [image: Inline image 1] Santana - Smooth, Featuring Ron Thomas http://youtu.be/6Whgn_iE5uc In a Guitar Player Magazine article in 1978, Prince stated that Carlos Santana ...was a bigger influence than Jimi Hendrix. The superstar-laden 1999 album, Supernatural, won nine Grammy Awards and three Latin Grammy Awards. Supernatural reached number one on the US album charts. In 2000 Santana won Album of the Year and Record of the Year for Smooth. Carlos Santana is ranked number twenty on Rolling Stone's list of the 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time. http://www.rollingstone.com/100-greatest-guitarists/carlos-santanahttp://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-guitarists-2023/carlos-santana-2022 Read more: Carlos Santana: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Santana 'Carlos Santana: Legendary Guitarist' by Adam Woog Lucent Books, 2006 On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: Jeff Beck [image: Inline image 1] Jeff Beck live at Ronnie Scott's: http://youtu.be/uIwSt2R54Xs According to Rolling Stone, Jeff Beck is one of the most influential lead guitarists in rock. As a solo artist and as a replaced Eric Clapton in the blues group The Yardbirds, with Jimmy Page. Beck is ranked fifth in Rolling Stone's list of the 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time. One notable performnce among many was recorded at Ronnie Scott's that included 21-year old Tal Wilkenfeld, which is available on DVD - an amazing performance! Jeff Beck no longer uses a plectrum or a pick, instead he uses a finger style on a Fender Stratocaster, and a wah-wah pedal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Beck Read more: 'Hot Wired Guitar: The Life of Jeff Beck' by Martin Power Omnibus Press, 2012 On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: Eric Clapton [image: Inline image 1] One of his most popular recordings is Robert Johnson's Crossroads, recorded by Cream, with Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker. Cream Reunion Concert - Crossroads http://youtu.be/UGrnUdGAWUE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton Ranked second in Rolling Stone magazine's list of the '100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time', and fourth in Gibson's 'Top 50 Guitarists of All Time'. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-guitarists/eric-claptonhttp://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-guitarists-2023/eric-clapton-2022 http://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/Top-50-Guitarists-528.aspx According to Bob Gulla, Clapton's sound and playing inspired a well-publicized graffiti that deified him with the famous slogan Clapton is God. The phrase was spray-painted by an admirer on a wall in an Islington Underground station in the autumn of 1967. The graffiti was captured in a now-famous photograph, in which a dog is urinating on the wall. Work cited: 'Guitar Gods: The 25 Players Who Made Rock History' by Bob Gulla Greenwood, 2008 pgs. 40–41 Read more: Eric Clapton, Clapton, The Autobiography by Eric Clapton Broadway Book1 'Wonderful Tonight: George Harrison, Eric Clapton, and Me' by Pattie Boyd Three Rivers Press, 2008 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: Stevie Ray Vaughan [image: Inline image 1] Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble - Live at El Mocambo, Austin, Texas 1983 http://youtu.be/smSiCjYIvrM ...number seven on Rolling Stone's list of 100 Greatest Guitarists. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevie_Ray_Vaughan Eric Clapton: It's going to be a long time before anyone that brilliant will come along again. I had the unenviable task of following Stevie's blistering set, just hours before the fatal crash. I think I had gone past the point of being envious or depressed, because I knew that no one would expect me to be that good (liner notes, Greatest Hits). On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: John Fogerty on Austin City Limits playing his 1956 Les Paul Gold Top with P-90 pickups: [image: Inline image 1] The Old Man Down The Road - John Fogerty - Live on Austin City Limits 2004 http://youtu.be/4Lf0pQoRgFQ Rolling Stone magazine's list of 100 Greatest Guitarists at No. 40. 100 Greatest Singers at No. 72. The songs Proud Mary and Born on the Bayou also rank amongst the Greatest Pop songs (Proud Mary, #41) and Guitar songs (Born on the Bayou, #53). John Fogerty: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fogerty Austin City Limits http://acltv.com/ On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Back when people could actually sing and play music for real: [image: Inline image 1] Bob Seeger The Silver Bullet Band: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Seger Night Moves Live-Bob Seger: http://youtu.be/mKaHci9Mc4A Early Detroit Band: Marshall Crenshaw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Crenshaw Marshall Crenshaw 2010
[FairfieldLife] RE: Trickle-down Groupie Status
Re I found myself in Southern California at that most opportune of times, the beginnings of the Hippie Revolution. It didn't turn out to be all that much of a revolution, but it sure as hell was fun to be part of.: You didn't have to be there. I remember one time dropping acid in Paris and finding myself heading towards bummers-ville. I mentioned to a French guy that I wasn't feeling so good and he put The Doors Strange Days album on the stereo and said: Just listen to Jim. He's one of us. That did the trick. You really felt we were all part of one global movement back then. Funny thing is, years later, I read that Jim Morrison actually hated drop-outs like me! ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: I made the term in the Subject line up back in the late 60s, probably before trickle down had entered the public lexicon. The reason was because I found myself in Southern California at that most opportune of times, the beginnings of the Hippie Revolution. It didn't turn out to be all that much of a revolution, but it sure as hell was fun to be part of. We were just college hippies, taking advantage of the lax laws and the fact that no one had ever promoted rock concerts on a large scale before to run light shows and promote parties/dances/light shows/concerts featuring some of the bands that were just showing up on the musical horizon at the time. Bands like the Grateful Dead, Quicksilver Messenger Service, Buffalo Springfield, The Doors, Big Brother and the Holding Company (Janis Joplin), and Jimi Hendrix. We had no money, no insurance, and we didn't know what the fuck we were doing, but we had one shitload of fun. And we got to party with the bands. It was in that setting that I first discovered the quantum mechanics of Trickle-down Groupie Status. Hot bands attracted hot groupies, hot to trot. But when it came down *to* trotting, there was a definite pecking order of groupie status. Top of the list -- hottest groupie prize -- was the lead singer in the band, if there was one. Next came the lead guitarist, or guitarists. Next, interestingly enough, came the drummer. Then the bassist and the other sidemen. All of them were pretty much guaranteed to score at the end of the gig, if 'scoring' was what they had in mind. Next came the band's manager, and after that the roadies. The guys who produced the concert and manned the light show were dead last. But, even so, there were more than enough groupies to go around, so fun -- and the groupies -- were pretty much had by all. It was a fun time, but it was a fleeting time, and I don't think about it much unless someone brings up the music of the period here or on another forum. So imagine my surprise that my conversations with Ben and his friends at Le Verbalon have seemed to confer me some kind of Old Fart Trickle-down Groupie Status. To them, the bands of that era are near-gods, the pantheon of the modern music revolution. To me, they were just guys and gals I was lucky enough to party with for a very short time in my youth. They're anxious for stories of those days (So what *was* it like to drop acid with Jerry Garcia?), and I tell them a few that I suspect will entertain them. But afterwards to some extent I can feel them projecting some kind of weirdass rock star glammer onto me, *just because I met these people a few times*. Me, I know the truth. I stumbled onto the scene by accident, enjoyed my luck at having done so, and wandered on. None of these rock gods would remember me (were they still alive), and there is no reason why they should. I was just one of the entourage, another one of the groupies (even if they had a legitimate function, like promoting the concert) who hung around musicians at that time and in that place. But for the French, almost warming their hands at the thought of what California must have been like at that time, me having been there, done that seems to confer upon me some kinda several-steps-removed groupie status on me. Weird. I suspect that Bharitu is one of the only people here who will get this. He used to play on the same stage as some of these people, as part of the opening act. Me, I just hustled to promote the concerts and worked the light shows and got invited to the after-parties. Big whoop. It was just the scene, at that time. You ran into the kinda people you ran into. If you were smart, you tried your best to have a good time with them. But -- at the time -- they weren't famous, and neither were you. You were just people, having a good time together. That shouldn't inspire groupies. It should be commonplace, how things work for everyone, all the time. Best movie to cover that period (actually more early 70s) is a recent French film called Après mai (ie, After May 1968 - aka Something in the Air). It covers all the bases of the counter-culture and really captures the vibe. Check it out.
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Trickle-down Groupie Status
Best movie to cover that period (actually more early 70s) is a recent French film called Après mai (ie, After May 1968 - aka Something in the Air). It covers all the bases of the counter-culture and really captures the vibe. Check it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXimuzHv6Ek http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXimuzHv6Ek ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: Re I found myself in Southern California at that most opportune of times, the beginnings of the Hippie Revolution. It didn't turn out to be all that much of a revolution, but it sure as hell was fun to be part of.: You didn't have to be there. I remember one time dropping acid in Paris and finding myself heading towards bummers-ville. I mentioned to a French guy that I wasn't feeling so good and he put The Doors Strange Days album on the stereo and said: Just listen to Jim. He's one of us. That did the trick. You really felt we were all part of one global movement back then. Funny thing is, years later, I read that Jim Morrison actually hated drop-outs like me! ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: I made the term in the Subject line up back in the late 60s, probably before trickle down had entered the public lexicon. The reason was because I found myself in Southern California at that most opportune of times, the beginnings of the Hippie Revolution. It didn't turn out to be all that much of a revolution, but it sure as hell was fun to be part of. We were just college hippies, taking advantage of the lax laws and the fact that no one had ever promoted rock concerts on a large scale before to run light shows and promote parties/dances/light shows/concerts featuring some of the bands that were just showing up on the musical horizon at the time. Bands like the Grateful Dead, Quicksilver Messenger Service, Buffalo Springfield, The Doors, Big Brother and the Holding Company (Janis Joplin), and Jimi Hendrix. We had no money, no insurance, and we didn't know what the fuck we were doing, but we had one shitload of fun. And we got to party with the bands. It was in that setting that I first discovered the quantum mechanics of Trickle-down Groupie Status. Hot bands attracted hot groupies, hot to trot. But when it came down *to* trotting, there was a definite pecking order of groupie status. Top of the list -- hottest groupie prize -- was the lead singer in the band, if there was one. Next came the lead guitarist, or guitarists. Next, interestingly enough, came the drummer. Then the bassist and the other sidemen. All of them were pretty much guaranteed to score at the end of the gig, if 'scoring' was what they had in mind. Next came the band's manager, and after that the roadies. The guys who produced the concert and manned the light show were dead last. But, even so, there were more than enough groupies to go around, so fun -- and the groupies -- were pretty much had by all. It was a fun time, but it was a fleeting time, and I don't think about it much unless someone brings up the music of the period here or on another forum. So imagine my surprise that my conversations with Ben and his friends at Le Verbalon have seemed to confer me some kind of Old Fart Trickle-down Groupie Status. To them, the bands of that era are near-gods, the pantheon of the modern music revolution. To me, they were just guys and gals I was lucky enough to party with for a very short time in my youth. They're anxious for stories of those days (So what *was* it like to drop acid with Jerry Garcia?), and I tell them a few that I suspect will entertain them. But afterwards to some extent I can feel them projecting some kind of weirdass rock star glammer onto me, *just because I met these people a few times*. Me, I know the truth. I stumbled onto the scene by accident, enjoyed my luck at having done so, and wandered on. None of these rock gods would remember me (were they still alive), and there is no reason why they should. I was just one of the entourage, another one of the groupies (even if they had a legitimate function, like promoting the concert) who hung around musicians at that time and in that place. But for the French, almost warming their hands at the thought of what California must have been like at that time, me having been there, done that seems to confer upon me some kinda several-steps-removed groupie status on me. Weird. I suspect that Bharitu is one of the only people here who will get this. He used to play on the same stage as some of these people, as part of the opening act. Me, I just hustled to promote the concerts and worked the light shows and got invited to the after-parties. Big whoop. It was just the scene, at that time. You ran into the kinda people you ran into. If you were smart, you tried your best to have a good time with them. But -- at the time -- they weren't famous, and neither were you. You were just people,
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth
Well, I'm quoting it because you posted it. You're not doing a very good job of explaining what you meant. So, did you or did you not post this? Richard is lying. I never said anything about the technique, whatever it is, or was. Nor did I say the bijas weren't nicknames of the deities (whatever nicknames means in this context). http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/364436 Just for example, the TM mantras are *not* the names of the Hindu gods. The Hindu gods have perfectly good names of their own. https://groups.google.com/forum/alt.meditation.transcendental https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#%21topic/alt.meditation.transcendental/1bJzUyLPecQ P.S. This may be lost on you, but I'm pretty sure Barry and Share can understand what you posted. It looks to me like you are trying to wiggle out of owning your own words. Not that anyone cares what you say these days,anyway. Go figure. On 11/27/2013 3:50 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't know why you keep quoting stuff that documents the fact that you were lying, but that's your problem. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: The most reliable proof is to post the message number and the URL to the actual words, like when I posted your own words and the URL to see them, and you still called me a liar. Richard is lying. I never said anything about the technique, whatever it is, or was. Nor did I say the bijas weren't nicknames of the deities (whatever nicknames means in this context). http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/364436 ...the TM mantras are *not* the names of the Hindu gods. The Hindu gods have perfectly good names of their own. Subject: Re: do you ever repeat your mantra when you are asleep and dreaming? Author: Judy Stein Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Sat, Dec 17 2005 1:22 pm http://tinyurl.com/9gxse On 11/27/2013 9:11 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: *Hey, Barry, have a look at this. It's fascinating. * * Xeno wrote: * /*10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth*/ http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/ We are not face-to-face on FFL, it's all words, words, words. There are those here who make a big deal of their integrity. Perhaps that is a suspect trait. *Um, or perhaps not. /Legitimately/ suspect, that is.* Me, I think the most reliable way to tell if someone is a liar is whether there is documented evidence that they have lied. (That's why a functioning Search feature is so frightening to Barry.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] The vibe is familiar.
Thanks for posting this - now I see where you're coming from. LoL! On 11/27/2013 11:43 AM, Duveyoung wrote: http://i.imgur.com/sFu9L8L.jpg
RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
That's the deal - He is the first Pope from Latin America, and they know all about exploitation there, and the lack of social justice. Yes, a welcome change. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: It's just so startling hearing something like that these days from anyone but a librul-type Protestant or Jew. Francis is really busting up the contemporary image of Roman Catholicism. Of course Church doctrine has always had a very strong social-justice, caring-for-the-oppressed component; it just hasn't been the most evident theme in recent times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Very good that he actually said it. I am not terribly religious myself, though he has a lot of influence, being The Pope, and all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Thom Hartmann actually said that he might have to convert to Catholicism. Not me, I'm not into religions at all. But you don't have to be the Pope to figure this out. On 11/27/2013 12:00 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Powerful stuff. I think if Bhairitu reads it, he'll immediately convert to Roman Catholicism. ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
[FairfieldLife] Amish Girl Refuses Chemotheraphy
But the State of Ohio wants her to continue the treatment. It appears to me that the girl and her family have the right to forego the treatment if that is their religious preference to do so. http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-amish-girl-cuts-off-contact-amid-chemo-161240343.html http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-amish-girl-cuts-off-contact-amid-chemo-161240343.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: The vibe is familiar.
You two remind me of a guy that farts on a crowded elevator. LoL! As far as I can tell, neither of you were at any early SRM/IMS meetings in L.A. Unless you were that guy that farted in the back of the room that night. MMY said he smelled something - maybe he thought it was a hippie that sneaked in - I don't know. Go figure. On 11/27/2013 12:03 PM, Duveyoung wrote: That's Rasputin with his sycophants. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: http://i.imgur.com/sFu9L8L.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sFu9L8L.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sFu9L8L.jpg%20http://i.imgur.com/sFu9L8L.jpg So you were at some of the early SRM/IMS meetings in L.A., too? :-)
[FairfieldLife] RE: The vibe is familiar.
Boney M. Funnily enough, lead singer Bobby Farrell died in 2010, in a hotel in Saint Petersburg. Oh those Russians . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4avn34o2Ksw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4avn34o2Ksw ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: Thanks for posting this - now I see where you're coming from. LoL! On 11/27/2013 11:43 AM, Duveyoung wrote: http://i.imgur.com/sFu9L8L.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sFu9L8L.jpg
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
Our authfriend sounds really JELLOS. Go figure. On 11/27/2013 6:22 PM, feste37 wrote: Of course Share didn't think she was challenging you. Only an idiot or someone spoiling for a fight would think otherwise. She was just making a comment. Try to be nicer, authfriend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Share bumbled: I think it's going to take way more than one good Pope to bust up the contemporary image ofRoman Catholicism! Francis is already doing so, as you'd know if you were paying attention. As for the Church having a *doctrine* of social justice, caring for the oppressed, what good is it if the Church hordes its Vatican gold plates while babies are starving in the world?! Did you think you were challenging me with this question, Share?!? Did you not bother to read my last sentence beyond the semicolon!?! On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:17 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: It's just so startling hearing something like that these days from anyone but a librul-type Protestant or Jew. Francis is really busting up the contemporary image of Roman Catholicism. Of course Church doctrine has always had a very strong social-justice, caring-for-the-oppressed component; it just hasn't been the most evident theme in recent times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Very good that he actually said it. I am not terribly religious myself, though he has a lot of influence, being The Pope, and all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Thom Hartmann actually said that he might have to convert to Catholicism. Not me, I'm not into religions at all. But you don't have to be the Pope to figure this out. On 11/27/2013 12:00 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Powerful stuff. I think if Bhairitu reads it, he'll immediately convert to Roman Catholicism. ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
*And as /I/ said, you sound really JELLOS.*** On 11/27/2013 7:57 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: And as /I/ said, he already has changed the Church's image. Is there an echo in here? He has also done quite a bit and will no doubt continue indefinitely. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: What Pope Francis is saying is wonderful, but like I said, it will take more than one good Pope to change the image of the contemporary Catholic Church. And it will take more than words. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 7:19 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Nice try, Feste, but it doesn't make any sense that way either. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Of course Share didn't think she was challenging you. Only an idiot or someone spoiling for a fight would think otherwise. She was just making a comment. Try to be nicer, authfriend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Share bumbled: I think it's going to take way more than one good Pope to bust up the contemporary image ofRoman Catholicism! Francis is already doing so, as you'd know if you were paying attention. As for the Church having a *doctrine* of social justice, caring for the oppressed, what good is it if the Church hordes its Vatican gold plates while babies are starving in the world?! Did you think you were challenging me with this question, Share?!? Did you not bother to read my last sentence beyond the semicolon!?! On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:17 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: It's just so startling hearing something like that these days from anyone but a librul-type Protestant or Jew. Francis is really busting up the contemporary image of Roman Catholicism. Of course Church doctrine has always had a very strong social-justice, caring-for-the-oppressed component; it just hasn't been the most evident theme in recent times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Very good that he actually said it. I am not terribly religious myself, though he has a lot of influence, being The Pope, and all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Thom Hartmann actually said that he might have to convert to Catholicism. Not me, I'm not into religions at all. But you don't have to be the Pope to figure this out. On 11/27/2013 12:00 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Powerful stuff. I think if Bhairitu reads it, he'll immediately convert to Roman Catholicism. ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
It makes sense that you're JELLOS of Share, because she's a lot nicer than you are. On 11/27/2013 7:19 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Nice try, Feste, but it doesn't make any sense that way either. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Of course Share didn't think she was challenging you. Only an idiot or someone spoiling for a fight would think otherwise. She was just making a comment. Try to be nicer, authfriend. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Share bumbled: I think it's going to take way more than one good Pope to bust up the contemporary image ofRoman Catholicism! Francis is already doing so, as you'd know if you were paying attention. As for the Church having a *doctrine* of social justice, caring for the oppressed, what good is it if the Church hordes its Vatican gold plates while babies are starving in the world?! Did you think you were challenging me with this question, Share?!? Did you not bother to read my last sentence beyond the semicolon!?! On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:17 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: It's just so startling hearing something like that these days from anyone but a librul-type Protestant or Jew. Francis is really busting up the contemporary image of Roman Catholicism. Of course Church doctrine has always had a very strong social-justice, caring-for-the-oppressed component; it just hasn't been the most evident theme in recent times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Very good that he actually said it. I am not terribly religious myself, though he has a lot of influence, being The Pope, and all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Thom Hartmann actually said that he might have to convert to Catholicism. Not me, I'm not into religions at all. But you don't have to be the Pope to figure this out. On 11/27/2013 12:00 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Powerful stuff. I think if Bhairitu reads it, he'll immediately convert to Roman Catholicism. ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
Re: [FairfieldLife] 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth
This your your style I guess. On 11/27/2013 6:03 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know. * ** ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: I've been an respondent on the internet since 1999, so it's not like I'm a newbie or something. And it's been my observation that Judy has a really big ego, maybe bigger even than Barry, and that's saying a lot! There are facts and there are opinions - facts can be argued, but an opinion stands no matter what, and that's everyone's right to express - you may not agree, but there should be no excuse for slandering your debating opponents. It's like when some people call others 'nazis' all the time - it soon loses its force, and in the end doesn't do justice to the real nazi victims. At first I thought Judy was being very astute when she called Barry a liar over and over again; then she started going after me with the same tactic. For awhile I thought there was something wrong with me and that maybe I did lack integrity. But now, after Judy called Buck a liar for no reason at all, I've come to the conclusion that Judy is simply a well-poisoner. That's her style I guess. Hey, I'm all for truthfulness and personal integrity, but I'm just not sure dialoging with anonymous informants in an online chat-room is the place to prove it - this is supposed to fun, not a trial by a one-person judge and jury. But, it has reached a level now that she's calling almost everyone a liar, a troll, and/or a poser. At this point, she's just a very unpleasant person to deal with and not very informative either. And, there's no relief when anyone starts up a dialog with her - it's incessant and endless. Barry is a case in point - from what I can tell, Judy carries a grudge for a very, very long time. Go figure. P.S. You may have noticed that Judy does NOT respond very elegantly to constructive criticism. If anyone can point to an untruth I've posted, please let me know and point my error - be specific, so we can resolve any misunderstandings. Thanks in advance. On 11/27/2013 10:33 AM, Share Long wrote: I think Truth is something huge, that cannot really be completely conveyed in words alone. Unless the speaker or writer is communicating from a very settled and integrated level of consciousness. OTOH, unless someone has a nefarious intention, I think most people try to communicate truthfully. But each of us is limited by our connection to Truth. The most trustworthy people, imho, are those who recognize this and intend to become more and more truthful. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:21 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: Maybe, but I almost always suspect someone of not being totally honest when they post as an anonymous informant. I used to post under various handles until I got outed, and so I decided when I retired, I would just use my real name. I've got nothing to hide and nobody can fire me from my job since I'm self-employed now. But using a handle is no biggie to me because I understand why some people need to keep their privacy. But, I did get a little paranoid reading Bill's post where he claimed Ravi had stalked or threatened, to what - expose Bill and his wife. What's up with that? That's when things get REALLY nasty around here - I wouldn't blame Rick if he shut down the whole discussion group, if that's what going to happen here on a regular basis! It is always troubling to see someone get banned from the group. Where I used to work, you had to really screw up big time to get fired - like smoking pot in the parking lot or something like that. Hardly anyone gets banned on FFL - Kirk got banned for cursing too. Go figure. And, I don't care if people post mean things about me sometimes - it could always just be a joke of some kind - like when Barry2 posted that my real name was Walter White. LoL! On 11/27/2013 8:49 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote: /*10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth*/ http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/ We are not face-to-face on FFL, it's all words, words, words. There are those here who make a big deal of their integrity. Perhaps that is a suspect trait.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: FFL Neo Mobile
Yes, there seems to be a echo in here! On 11/27/2013 5:02 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Good lord. I'd been giving Yahoo a tiny bit of benefit of the doubt, assuming the disastrous formatting on the Web site was an inevitable consequence of making it work on mobile. But if the formatting is just as bad on mobile, then there really is no excuse. The Neo interface is just an incompetently designed piece of software from the get-go. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Multi messages are shown inline just the same way they are shown on desktop. The main difference between desktop and mobile is 1) you only get the message list and not the sidebars and 2) they provide an option to list the rest of the messages rather than downloading all of them. Progressive scrolls save data charges for some people on mobile though for me it would be hard to rack up more than 5 GB a month and at home I just get the stuff on the phone wifi anyway. On 11/27/2013 01:47 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Yes, I know, but as I said, a multi-message message history is where the formatting becomes loathesome on the Web site. So it would be informative to see whether it's better on a mobile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote: Show message history will just show all the messages inline as you scroll down so a screenshot would not be very informative. Reading FFL on the phone is handy after I've put my computers to bed. ;-) On 11/27/2013 01:10 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Thanks, but I'd still like to see a screen shot of a post showing a message history--say at least three layers deep--because that's where the formatting gets so screwed up on the Web site. Also like to see a reply post with comments interleaved. Don't bother if it's a hassle; I'm just curious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote: Here you go. Remember most people will be reading on a smartphone a few inches from their face. As you see the message history is an option which can be selected. The first image was the start screen which has the banner. You can scroll down the messages as far as you want. Also the phone can be turned sideways for a wider display though shorter display (handy for ready Turqs hard return messages). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I'm seeing one (1) screenshot. It looks incredibly claustrophobic, especially given that the size of the screenshot is much bigger than what you'd see in real life if you were looking at the phone. I was hoping you'd have a screenshot of a post, preferably one showing a post with a message history so we could see how the formatting works on a mobile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@ wrote: I'll try this again. Here are a couple of screenshots of FFL on an Android smartphone for those who don't have a mobile device:
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
Who said she was talking to you? On 11/27/2013 4:21 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Share bumbled: I think it's going to take way more than one good Pope to bust up the contemporary image ofRoman Catholicism! Francis is already doing so, as you'd know if you were paying attention. As for the Church having a *doctrine* of social justice, caring for the oppressed, what good is it if the Church hordes its Vatican gold plates while babies are starving in the world?! Did you think you were challenging me with this question, Share?!? Did you not bother to read my last sentence beyond the semicolon!?! On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:17 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: It's just so startling hearing something like that these days from anyone but a librul-type Protestant or Jew. Francis is really busting up the contemporary image of Roman Catholicism. Of course Church doctrine has always had a very strong social-justice, caring-for-the-oppressed component; it just hasn't been the most evident theme in recent times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Very good that he actually said it. I am not terribly religious myself, though he has a lot of influence, being The Pope, and all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Thom Hartmann actually said that he might have to convert to Catholicism. Not me, I'm not into religions at all. But you don't have to be the Pope to figure this out. On 11/27/2013 12:00 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Powerful stuff. I think if Bhairitu reads it, he'll immediately convert to Roman Catholicism. ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
Re: [FairfieldLife] 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth
Judy asked if there was an echo in here. I guess she hasn't noticed how many times she's posted about refutation, etc. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:02 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: This your your style I guess. On 11/27/2013 6:03 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: I've been an respondent on the internet since 1999, so it's not like I'm a newbie or something. And it's been my observation that Judy has a really big ego, maybe bigger even than Barry, and that's saying a lot! There are facts and there are opinions - facts can be argued, but an opinion stands no matter what, and that's everyone's right to express - you may not agree, but there should be no excuse for slandering your debating opponents. It's like when some people call others 'nazis' all the time - it soon loses its force, and in the end doesn't do justice to the real nazi victims. At first I thought Judy was being very astute when she called Barry a liar over and over again; then she started going after me with the same tactic. For awhile I thought there was something wrong with me and that maybe I did lack integrity. But now, after Judy called Buck a liar for no reason at all, I've come to the conclusion that Judy is simply a well-poisoner. That's her style I guess. Hey, I'm all for truthfulness and personal integrity, but I'm just not sure dialoging with anonymous informants in an online chat-room is the place to prove it - this is supposed to fun, not a trial by a one-person judge and jury. But, it has reached a level now that she's calling almost everyone a liar, a troll, and/or a poser. At this point, she's just a very unpleasant person to deal with and not very informative either. And, there's no relief when anyone starts up a dialog with her - it's incessant and endless. Barry is a case in point - from what I can tell, Judy carries a grudge for a very, very long time. Go figure. P.S. You may have noticed that Judy does NOT respond very elegantly to constructive criticism. If anyone can point to an untruth I've posted, please let me know and point my error - be specific, so we can resolve any misunderstandings. Thanks in advance. On 11/27/2013 10:33 AM, Share Long wrote: I think Truth is something huge, that cannot really be completely conveyed in words alone. Unless the speaker or writer is communicating from a very settled and integrated level of consciousness. OTOH, unless someone has a nefarious intention, I think most people try to communicate truthfully. But each of us is limited by our connection to Truth. The most trustworthy people, imho, are those who recognize this and intend to become more and more truthful. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:21 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: Maybe, but I almost always suspect someone of not being totally honest when they post as an anonymous informant. I used to post under various handles until I got outed, and so I decided when I retired, I would just use my real name. I've got nothing to hide and nobody can fire me from my job since I'm self-employed now. But using a handle is no biggie to me because I understand why some people need to keep their privacy. But, I did get a little paranoid reading Bill's post where he claimed Ravi had stalked or threatened, to what - expose Bill and his wife. What's up with that? That's when things get REALLY nasty around here - I wouldn't blame Rick if he shut down the whole discussion group, if that's what going to happen here on a regular basis! It is always troubling to see someone get banned from the group. Where I used to work, you had to really screw up big time to get fired - like smoking pot in the
Re: [FairfieldLife] 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth
Go figure! On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:06 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Judy asked if there was an echo in here. I guess she hasn't noticed how many times she's posted about refutation, etc. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:02 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: This your your style I guess. On 11/27/2013 6:03 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: I've been an respondent on the internet since 1999, so it's not like I'm a newbie or something. And it's been my observation that Judy has a really big ego, maybe bigger even than Barry, and that's saying a lot! There are facts and there are opinions - facts can be argued, but an opinion stands no matter what, and that's everyone's right to express - you may not agree, but there should be no excuse for slandering your debating opponents. It's like when some people call others 'nazis' all the time - it soon loses its force, and in the end doesn't do justice to the real nazi victims. At first I thought Judy was being very astute when she called Barry a liar over and over again; then she started going after me with the same tactic. For awhile I thought there was something wrong with me and that maybe I did lack integrity. But now, after Judy called Buck a liar for no reason at all, I've come to the conclusion that Judy is simply a well-poisoner. That's her style I guess. Hey, I'm all for truthfulness and personal integrity, but I'm just not sure dialoging with anonymous informants in an online chat-room is the place to prove it - this is supposed to fun, not a trial by a one-person judge and jury. But, it has reached a level now that she's calling almost everyone a liar, a troll, and/or a poser. At this point, she's just a very unpleasant person to deal with and not very informative either. And, there's no relief when anyone starts up a dialog with her - it's incessant and endless. Barry is a case in point - from what I can tell, Judy carries a grudge for a very, very long time. Go figure. P.S. You may have noticed that Judy does NOT respond very elegantly to constructive criticism. If anyone can point to an untruth I've posted, please let me know and point my error - be specific, so we can resolve any misunderstandings. Thanks in advance. On 11/27/2013 10:33 AM, Share Long wrote: I think Truth is something huge, that cannot really be completely conveyed in words alone. Unless the speaker or writer is communicating from a very settled and integrated level of consciousness. OTOH, unless someone has a nefarious intention, I think most people try to communicate truthfully. But each of us is limited by our connection to Truth. The most trustworthy people, imho, are those who recognize this and intend to become more and more truthful. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:21 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: Maybe, but I almost always suspect someone of not being totally honest when they post as an anonymous informant. I used to post under various handles until I got outed, and so I decided when I retired, I would just use my real name. I've got nothing to hide and nobody can fire me from my job since I'm self-employed now. But using a handle is no biggie to me because I understand why some people need to keep their privacy. But, I did get a little paranoid reading Bill's post where he claimed Ravi had stalked or threatened, to what - expose Bill and his wife. What's up with that? That's when things get REALLY nasty around here - I wouldn't blame Rick if he shut down the whole discussion group, if that's what going to happen here on a regular basis! It is always troubling to see someone get banned from the group. Where I used to work, you had to really screw up big
Re: [FairfieldLife] 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth
What is she going to say? She's been caught telling a deliberate untruth and she can't refute it. Go figure. On 11/27/2013 9:06 PM, Share Long wrote: Judy asked if there was an echo in here. I guess she hasn't noticed how many times she's posted about refutation, etc. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:02 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: This your your style I guess. On 11/27/2013 6:03 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com mailto:authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know. * ** ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: I've been an respondent on the internet since 1999, so it's not like I'm a newbie or something. And it's been my observation that Judy has a really big ego, maybe bigger even than Barry, and that's saying a lot! There are facts and there are opinions - facts can be argued, but an opinion stands no matter what, and that's everyone's right to express - you may not agree, but there should be no excuse for slandering your debating opponents. It's like when some people call others 'nazis' all the time - it soon loses its force, and in the end doesn't do justice to the real nazi victims. At first I thought Judy was being very astute when she called Barry a liar over and over again; then she started going after me with the same tactic. For awhile I thought there was something wrong with me and that maybe I did lack integrity. But now, after Judy called Buck a liar for no reason at all, I've come to the conclusion that Judy is simply a well-poisoner. That's her style I guess. Hey, I'm all for truthfulness and personal integrity, but I'm just not sure dialoging with anonymous informants in an online chat-room is the place to prove it - this is supposed to fun, not a trial by a one-person judge and jury. But, it has reached a level now that she's calling almost everyone a liar, a troll, and/or a poser. At this point, she's just a very unpleasant person to deal with and not very informative either. And, there's no relief when anyone starts up a dialog with her - it's incessant and endless. Barry is a case in point - from what I can tell, Judy carries a grudge for a very, very long time. Go figure. P.S. You may have noticed that Judy does NOT respond very elegantly to constructive criticism. If anyone can point to an untruth I've posted, please let me know and point my error - be specific, so we can resolve any misunderstandings. Thanks in advance. On 11/27/2013 10:33 AM, Share Long wrote: I think Truth is something huge, that cannot really be completely conveyed in words alone. Unless the speaker or writer is communicating from a very settled and integrated level of consciousness. OTOH, unless someone has a nefarious intention, I think most people try to communicate truthfully. But each of us is limited by our connection to Truth. The most trustworthy people, imho, are those who recognize this and intend to become more and more truthful. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:21 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: Maybe, but I almost always suspect someone of not being totally honest when they post as an anonymous informant. I used to post under various handles until I got outed, and so I decided when I retired, I would just use my real name. I've got nothing to hide and nobody can fire me from my job since I'm self-employed now. But using a handle is no biggie to me because I understand why some people need to keep their privacy. But, I did get a little paranoid reading Bill's post where he claimed Ravi had stalked or threatened, to what - expose Bill and his wife. What's up with that? That's when things get REALLY nasty around here - I wouldn't blame Rick if he shut down the whole discussion group, if that's what going to happen here on a regular basis! It is always troubling to see someone get banned from the group. Where I used to work, you had to really screw up big time to get fired - like smoking pot in the parking lot or something like that. Hardly anyone gets banned on FFL - Kirk got banned for cursing too. Go figure. And, I don't care if people post mean things about me sometimes - it could always just be a joke of some kind - like when Barry2 posted that my real name was Walter White. LoL! On 11/27/2013 8:49 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote: /*10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth*/ http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/ We are not face-to-face on FFL, it's all words, words, words. There are those here who make a big deal of their integrity. Perhaps that is a suspect trait.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth
Well, I figure nobody wants to dialog with Judy tonight. On 11/27/2013 9:09 PM, Share Long wrote: Go figure! On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:06 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Judy asked if there was an echo in here. I guess she hasn't noticed how many times she's posted about refutation, etc. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:02 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: This your your style I guess. On 11/27/2013 6:03 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com mailto:authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know. * ** ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: I've been an respondent on the internet since 1999, so it's not like I'm a newbie or something. And it's been my observation that Judy has a really big ego, maybe bigger even than Barry, and that's saying a lot! There are facts and there are opinions - facts can be argued, but an opinion stands no matter what, and that's everyone's right to express - you may not agree, but there should be no excuse for slandering your debating opponents. It's like when some people call others 'nazis' all the time - it soon loses its force, and in the end doesn't do justice to the real nazi victims. At first I thought Judy was being very astute when she called Barry a liar over and over again; then she started going after me with the same tactic. For awhile I thought there was something wrong with me and that maybe I did lack integrity. But now, after Judy called Buck a liar for no reason at all, I've come to the conclusion that Judy is simply a well-poisoner. That's her style I guess. Hey, I'm all for truthfulness and personal integrity, but I'm just not sure dialoging with anonymous informants in an online chat-room is the place to prove it - this is supposed to fun, not a trial by a one-person judge and jury. But, it has reached a level now that she's calling almost everyone a liar, a troll, and/or a poser. At this point, she's just a very unpleasant person to deal with and not very informative either. And, there's no relief when anyone starts up a dialog with her - it's incessant and endless. Barry is a case in point - from what I can tell, Judy carries a grudge for a very, very long time. Go figure. P.S. You may have noticed that Judy does NOT respond very elegantly to constructive criticism. If anyone can point to an untruth I've posted, please let me know and point my error - be specific, so we can resolve any misunderstandings. Thanks in advance. On 11/27/2013 10:33 AM, Share Long wrote: I think Truth is something huge, that cannot really be completely conveyed in words alone. Unless the speaker or writer is communicating from a very settled and integrated level of consciousness. OTOH, unless someone has a nefarious intention, I think most people try to communicate truthfully. But each of us is limited by our connection to Truth. The most trustworthy people, imho, are those who recognize this and intend to become more and more truthful. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:21 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: Maybe, but I almost always suspect someone of not being totally honest when they post as an anonymous informant. I used to post under various handles until I got outed, and so I decided when I retired, I would just use my real name. I've got nothing to hide and nobody can fire me from my job since I'm self-employed now. But using a handle is no biggie to me because I understand why some people need to keep their privacy. But, I did get a little paranoid reading Bill's post where he claimed Ravi had stalked or threatened, to what - expose Bill and his wife. What's up with that? That's when things get REALLY nasty around here - I wouldn't blame Rick if he shut down the whole discussion group, if that's what going to happen here on a regular basis! It is always troubling to see someone get banned from the group. Where I used to work, you had to really screw up big time to get fired - like smoking pot in the parking lot or something like that. Hardly anyone gets banned on FFL - Kirk got banned for cursing too. Go figure. And, I don't care if people post mean things about me sometimes - it could always just be a joke of some kind - like when Barry2 posted that my real name was Walter White. LoL! On 11/27/2013 8:49 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote: /*10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth*/ http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/ We are not face-to-face on FFL, it's all words, words, words. There are those here who make a big deal of their integrity. Perhaps that is a suspect trait.
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth
Richard, seriously, I just don't understand what you are saying here. Instead of reposting and reposting the same thing, can you, in detail, explain how, based on the words in the two sentences in question, you are coming to said conclusion of Judy lying? If you are all bent out of shape about Judy, just objectively review the two statements and explain how the two sentences that you keep reposting proves a lie. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: Well, I'm quoting it because you posted it. You're not doing a very good job of explaining what you meant. So, did you or did you not post this? Richard is lying. I never said anything about the technique, whatever it is, or was. Nor did I say the bijas weren't nicknames of the deities (whatever nicknames means in this context). http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/364436 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/364436 Just for example, the TM mantras are *not* the names of the Hindu gods. The Hindu gods have perfectly good names of their own. https://groups.google.com/forum/alt.meditation.transcendental https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#%21topic/alt.meditation.transcendental/1bJzUyLPecQ P.S. This may be lost on you, but I'm pretty sure Barry and Share can understand what you posted. It looks to me like you are trying to wiggle out of owning your own words. Not that anyone cares what you say these days,anyway. Go figure. On 11/27/2013 3:50 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: I don't know why you keep quoting stuff that documents the fact that you were lying, but that's your problem. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: The most reliable proof is to post the message number and the URL to the actual words, like when I posted your own words and the URL to see them, and you still called me a liar. Richard is lying. I never said anything about the technique, whatever it is, or was. Nor did I say the bijas weren't nicknames of the deities (whatever nicknames means in this context). http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/364436 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/364436 ...the TM mantras are *not* the names of the Hindu gods. The Hindu gods have perfectly good names of their own. Subject: Re: do you ever repeat your mantra when you are asleep and dreaming? Author: Judy Stein Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Sat, Dec 17 2005 1:22 pm http://tinyurl.com/9gxse http://tinyurl.com/9gxse On 11/27/2013 9:11 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Hey, Barry, have a look at this. It's fascinating. Xeno wrote: 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/ http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/ We are not face-to-face on FFL, it's all words, words, words. There are those here who make a big deal of their integrity. Perhaps that is a suspect trait. Um, or perhaps not. Legitimately suspect, that is. Me, I think the most reliable way to tell if someone is a liar is whether there is documented evidence that they have lied. (That's why a functioning Search feature is so frightening to Barry.)
[FairfieldLife] RE: Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
His Holiness Nader Ram might take some pages for our TM movement from the Pope Frances play book. Yep, on becoming the universal movement of the Unified Field. The Popular Spiritual Liberation Front. Like chapter I reads, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: 100 Great Rock Artists
Matchbox Twenty - She's So Mean.Ha - She's got a wicked sense of humor... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8WLa6umgdw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8WLa6umgdw ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: Carlos Santana Santana - Smooth, Featuring Ron Thomas http://youtu.be/6Whgn_iE5uc http://youtu.be/6Whgn_iE5uc In a Guitar Player Magazine article in 1978, Prince stated that Carlos Santana ...was a bigger influence than Jimi Hendrix. The superstar-laden 1999 album, Supernatural, won nine Grammy Awards and three Latin Grammy Awards. Supernatural reached number one on the US album charts. In 2000 Santana won Album of the Year and Record of the Year for Smooth. Carlos Santana is ranked number twenty on Rolling Stone's list of the 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time. http://www.rollingstone.com/100-greatest-guitarists/carlos-santana http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-guitarists-2023/carlos-santana-2022 Read more: Carlos Santana: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Santana http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Santana 'Carlos Santana: Legendary Guitarist' by Adam Woog Lucent Books, 2006 On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Richard Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: Jeff Beck Jeff Beck live at Ronnie Scott's: http://youtu.be/uIwSt2R54Xs http://youtu.be/uIwSt2R54Xs According to Rolling Stone, Jeff Beck is one of the most influential lead guitarists in rock. As a solo artist and as a replaced Eric Clapton in the blues group The Yardbirds, with Jimmy Page. Beck is ranked fifth in Rolling Stone's list of the 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time. One notable performnce among many was recorded at Ronnie Scott's that included 21-year old Tal Wilkenfeld, which is available on DVD - an amazing performance! Jeff Beck no longer uses a plectrum or a pick, instead he uses a finger style on a Fender Stratocaster, and a wah-wah pedal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Beck http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Beck Read more: 'Hot Wired Guitar: The Life of Jeff Beck' by Martin Power Omnibus Press, 2012 On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Richard Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: Eric Clapton One of his most popular recordings is Robert Johnson's Crossroads, recorded by Cream, with Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker. Cream Reunion Concert - Crossroads http://youtu.be/UGrnUdGAWUE http://youtu.be/UGrnUdGAWUE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton Ranked second in Rolling Stone magazine's list of the '100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time', and fourth in Gibson's 'Top 50 Guitarists of All Time'. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-guitarists/eric-clapton http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-guitarists-2023/eric-clapton-2022 http://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/Top-50-Guitarists-528.aspx http://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/Top-50-Guitarists-528.aspx According to Bob Gulla, Clapton's sound and playing inspired a well-publicized graffiti that deified him with the famous slogan Clapton is God. The phrase was spray-painted by an admirer on a wall in an Islington Underground station in the autumn of 1967. The graffiti was captured in a now-famous photograph, in which a dog is urinating on the wall. Work cited: 'Guitar Gods: The 25 Players Who Made Rock History' by Bob Gulla Greenwood, 2008 pgs. 40–41 Read more: Eric Clapton, Clapton, The Autobiography by Eric Clapton Broadway Book1 'Wonderful Tonight: George Harrison, Eric Clapton, and Me' by Pattie Boyd Three Rivers Press, 2008 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Richard Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: Stevie Ray Vaughan Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble - Live at El Mocambo, Austin, Texas 1983 http://youtu.be/smSiCjYIvrM http://youtu.be/smSiCjYIvrM ...number seven on Rolling Stone's list of 100 Greatest Guitarists. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevie_Ray_Vaughan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevie_Ray_Vaughan Eric Clapton: It's going to be a long time before anyone that brilliant will come along again. I had the unenviable task of following Stevie's blistering set, just hours before the fatal crash. I think I had gone past the point of being envious or depressed, because I knew that no one would expect me to be that good (liner notes, Greatest Hits). On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Richard Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: John Fogerty on Austin City Limits playing his 1956 Les Paul Gold Top with P-90 pickups: The Old Man Down The Road - John Fogerty - Live on Austin City Limits 2004 http://youtu.be/4Lf0pQoRgFQ http://youtu.be/4Lf0pQoRgFQ Rolling Stone magazine's list of 100 Greatest Guitarists at No. 40. 100 Greatest
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
CHAPTER ONE THE MOVEMENT’S MISSIONARY TRANSFORMATION CHAPTER ONE THE Movement’S MISSIONARY TRANSFORMATION [19] I. A Movement WHICH GOES FORTH [20-24] Taking the first step, being involved and supportive, bearing fruit and rejoicing [24] II. PASTORAL ACTIVITY AND CONVERSION [25-33] An ecclesial renewal which cannot be deferred [27-33] III. FROM THE HEART OF THE GOSPEL [34-39] IV. A MISSION EMBODIED WITHIN HUMAN LIMITS [40-45] V. A MOTHER WITH AN OPEN HEART [46-49] http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html#No_to_an_economy_of_exclusion http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html#No_to_an_economy_of_exclusion ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: His Holiness Nader Ram might take some pages for our TM movement from the Pope Frances play book. Yep, on becoming the universal movement of the Unified Field. The Popular Spiritual Liberation Front. Like chapter I reads, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
Absolutely! What a clever idea! Ah ha ha...yes, yes, yes...this will make good dinner conversation for you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: CHAPTER ONE THE MOVEMENT’S MISSIONARY TRANSFORMATION CHAPTER ONE THE Movement’S MISSIONARY TRANSFORMATION [19] I. A Movement WHICH GOES FORTH [20-24] Taking the first step, being involved and supportive, bearing fruit and rejoicing [24] II. PASTORAL ACTIVITY AND CONVERSION [25-33] An ecclesial renewal which cannot be deferred [27-33] III. FROM THE HEART OF THE GOSPEL [34-39] IV. A MISSION EMBODIED WITHIN HUMAN LIMITS [40-45] V. A MOTHER WITH AN OPEN HEART [46-49] http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html#No_to_an_economy_of_exclusion http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html#No_to_an_economy_of_exclusion ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: His Holiness Nader Ram might take some pages for our TM movement from the Pope Frances play book. Yep, on becoming the universal movement of the Unified Field. The Popular Spiritual Liberation Front. Like chapter I reads, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
Finally an evangelizing community is filled with joy; it knows how to rejoice always. It celebrates at every small victory, every step forward in the work of evangelization. .. what I am trying to express here has a programmatic significance and important consequences. “Mere administration” can no longer be enough.[21] http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html#_ftn21 Throughout the world, let us be “permanently in a state of mission”.[22] Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: CHAPTER ONE THE MOVEMENT’S MISSIONARY TRANSFORMATION CHAPTER ONE THE Movement’S MISSIONARY TRANSFORMATION [19] I. A Movement WHICH GOES FORTH [20-24] Taking the first step, being involved and supportive, bearing fruit and rejoicing [24] II. PASTORAL ACTIVITY AND CONVERSION [25-33] An ecclesial renewal which cannot be deferred [27-33] III. FROM THE HEART OF THE GOSPEL [34-39] IV. A MISSION EMBODIED WITHIN HUMAN LIMITS [40-45] V. A MOTHER WITH AN OPEN HEART [46-49] http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html#No_to_an_economy_of_exclusion http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html#No_to_an_economy_of_exclusion ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: His Holiness Nader Ram might take some pages for our TM movement from the Pope Frances play book. Yep, on becoming the universal movement of the Unified Field. The Popular Spiritual Liberation Front. Like chapter I reads, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
Interview: Sister Louise Akers Challenges the Church Patriarchy - Sun Magazine http://thesunmagazine.org/issues/455/sisterhood http://thesunmagazine.org/issues/455/sisterhood ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: Absolutely! What a clever idea! Ah ha ha...yes, yes, yes...this will make good dinner conversation for you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: CHAPTER ONE THE MOVEMENT’S MISSIONARY TRANSFORMATION CHAPTER ONE THE Movement’S MISSIONARY TRANSFORMATION [19] I. A Movement WHICH GOES FORTH [20-24] Taking the first step, being involved and supportive, bearing fruit and rejoicing [24] II. PASTORAL ACTIVITY AND CONVERSION [25-33] An ecclesial renewal which cannot be deferred [27-33] III. FROM THE HEART OF THE GOSPEL [34-39] IV. A MISSION EMBODIED WITHIN HUMAN LIMITS [40-45] V. A MOTHER WITH AN OPEN HEART [46-49] http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html#No_to_an_economy_of_exclusion http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html#No_to_an_economy_of_exclusion ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: His Holiness Nader Ram might take some pages for our TM movement from the Pope Frances play book. Yep, on becoming the universal movement of the Unified Field. The Popular Spiritual Liberation Front. Like chapter I reads, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth
Share, do you want to take a crack at explaining why what Richard keeps posting constitutes a lie on Judy's part? As one of the two peas in a pod, do you get it? It makes no sense to me at all, but I'm willing to try and understand what Richard is putting forth. Objectively, of course. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: What is she going to say? She's been caught telling a deliberate untruth and she can't refute it. Go figure. On 11/27/2013 9:06 PM, Share Long wrote: Judy asked if there was an echo in here. I guess she hasn't noticed how many times she's posted about refutation, etc. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:02 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: This your your style I guess. On 11/27/2013 6:03 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: I've been an respondent on the internet since 1999, so it's not like I'm a newbie or something. And it's been my observation that Judy has a really big ego, maybe bigger even than Barry, and that's saying a lot! There are facts and there are opinions - facts can be argued, but an opinion stands no matter what, and that's everyone's right to express - you may not agree, but there should be no excuse for slandering your debating opponents. It's like when some people call others 'nazis' all the time - it soon loses its force, and in the end doesn't do justice to the real nazi victims. At first I thought Judy was being very astute when she called Barry a liar over and over again; then she started going after me with the same tactic. For awhile I thought there was something wrong with me and that maybe I did lack integrity. But now, after Judy called Buck a liar for no reason at all, I've come to the conclusion that Judy is simply a well-poisoner. That's her style I guess. Hey, I'm all for truthfulness and personal integrity, but I'm just not sure dialoging with anonymous informants in an online chat-room is the place to prove it - this is supposed to fun, not a trial by a one-person judge and jury. But, it has reached a level now that she's calling almost everyone a liar, a troll, and/or a poser. At this point, she's just a very unpleasant person to deal with and not very informative either. And, there's no relief when anyone starts up a dialog with her - it's incessant and endless. Barry is a case in point - from what I can tell, Judy carries a grudge for a very, very long time. Go figure. P.S. You may have noticed that Judy does NOT respond very elegantly to constructive criticism. If anyone can point to an untruth I've posted, please let me know and point my error - be specific, so we can resolve any misunderstandings. Thanks in advance. On 11/27/2013 10:33 AM, Share Long wrote: I think Truth is something huge, that cannot really be completely conveyed in words alone. Unless the speaker or writer is communicating from a very settled and integrated level of consciousness. OTOH, unless someone has a nefarious intention, I think most people try to communicate truthfully. But each of us is limited by our connection to Truth. The most trustworthy people, imho, are those who recognize this and intend to become more and more truthful. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:21 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: Maybe, but I almost always suspect someone of not being totally honest when they post as an anonymous informant. I used to post under various handles until I got outed, and so I decided when I retired, I would just use my real name. I've got nothing to hide and nobody can fire me from my job since I'm self-employed now. But using a handle is no biggie to me because I understand why some people need to keep their privacy. But, I did get a little paranoid reading Bill's post where he claimed Ravi had stalked or threatened, to what - expose Bill and his wife. What's up with that? That's when things get REALLY nasty around here - I wouldn't blame Rick if he shut down the whole discussion group, if that's what going to happen here on a regular basis! It is always troubling to see someone get banned from the group. Where I used to work, you had to really screw up big time to get fired - like smoking pot in the parking lot or something like that. Hardly anyone gets banned on FFL - Kirk got banned for cursing too. Go figure. And, I don't care if people post mean things about me sometimes - it could always just be a joke of some kind - like when Barry2 posted that my real name was Walter White. LoL! On 11/27/2013 8:49 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote: 10
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
We have 'ladies' in the TM movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: Interview: Sister Louise Akers Challenges the Church Patriarchy - Sun Magazine http://thesunmagazine.org/issues/455/sisterhood http://thesunmagazine.org/issues/455/sisterhood ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: Absolutely! What a clever idea! Ah ha ha...yes, yes, yes...this will make good dinner conversation for you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: CHAPTER ONE THE MOVEMENT’S MISSIONARY TRANSFORMATION CHAPTER ONE THE Movement’S MISSIONARY TRANSFORMATION [19] I. A Movement WHICH GOES FORTH [20-24] Taking the first step, being involved and supportive, bearing fruit and rejoicing [24] II. PASTORAL ACTIVITY AND CONVERSION [25-33] An ecclesial renewal which cannot be deferred [27-33] III. FROM THE HEART OF THE GOSPEL [34-39] IV. A MISSION EMBODIED WITHIN HUMAN LIMITS [40-45] V. A MOTHER WITH AN OPEN HEART [46-49] http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html#No_to_an_economy_of_exclusion http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html#No_to_an_economy_of_exclusion ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: His Holiness Nader Ram might take some pages for our TM movement from the Pope Frances play book. Yep, on becoming the universal movement of the Unified Field. The Popular Spiritual Liberation Front. Like chapter I reads, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Thanksgiving - Pope Francis tells the truth about unbridled capitalism
Nice one. she smiles innocently Why, of course you do, so does the Catholic church. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: We have 'ladies' in the TM movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: Interview: Sister Louise Akers Challenges the Church Patriarchy - Sun Magazine http://thesunmagazine.org/issues/455/sisterhood http://thesunmagazine.org/issues/455/sisterhood ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: Absolutely! What a clever idea! Ah ha ha...yes, yes, yes...this will make good dinner conversation for you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: CHAPTER ONE THE MOVEMENT’S MISSIONARY TRANSFORMATION CHAPTER ONE THE Movement’S MISSIONARY TRANSFORMATION [19] I. A Movement WHICH GOES FORTH [20-24] Taking the first step, being involved and supportive, bearing fruit and rejoicing [24] II. PASTORAL ACTIVITY AND CONVERSION [25-33] An ecclesial renewal which cannot be deferred [27-33] III. FROM THE HEART OF THE GOSPEL [34-39] IV. A MISSION EMBODIED WITHIN HUMAN LIMITS [40-45] V. A MOTHER WITH AN OPEN HEART [46-49] http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html#No_to_an_economy_of_exclusion http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html#No_to_an_economy_of_exclusion ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: His Holiness Nader Ram might take some pages for our TM movement from the Pope Frances play book. Yep, on becoming the universal movement of the Unified Field. The Popular Spiritual Liberation Front. Like chapter I reads, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I like this guy - He tells the truth, straight up. Even as the American Dream becomes less obtainable for most here, he points out, plainly, that the rest of the world, is suffering, far more than we do in the West; wars are waged simply for economic gain, rampant consumerism is dehumanizing everyone, and 'trickle down economics' is a naive idea, at best, and clearly does not work. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pope-on-the-financial-system-inequality-money-2013-11
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth
This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: What is she going to say? She's been caught telling a deliberate untruth and she can't refute it. Go figure. On 11/27/2013 9:06 PM, Share Long wrote: Judy asked if there was an echo in here. I guess she hasn't noticed how many times she's posted about refutation, etc. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:02 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: This your your style I guess. On 11/27/2013 6:03 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: I've been an respondent on the internet since 1999, so it's not like I'm a newbie or something. And it's been my observation that Judy has a really big ego, maybe bigger even than Barry, and that's saying a lot! There are facts and there are opinions - facts can be argued, but an opinion stands no matter what, and that's everyone's right to express - you may not agree, but there should be no excuse for slandering your debating opponents. It's like when some people call others 'nazis' all the time - it soon loses its force, and in the end doesn't do justice to the real nazi victims. At first I thought Judy was being very astute when she called Barry a liar over and over again; then she started going after me with the same tactic. For awhile I thought there was something wrong with me and that maybe I did lack integrity. But now, after Judy called Buck a liar for no reason at all, I've come to the conclusion that Judy is simply a well-poisoner. That's her style I guess. Hey, I'm all for truthfulness and personal integrity, but I'm just not sure dialoging with anonymous informants in an online chat-room is the place to prove it - this is supposed to fun, not a trial by a one-person judge and jury. But, it has reached a level now that she's calling almost everyone a liar, a troll, and/or a poser. At this point, she's just a very unpleasant person to deal with and not very informative either. And, there's no relief when anyone starts up a dialog with her - it's incessant and endless. Barry is a case in point - from what I can tell, Judy carries a grudge for a very, very long time. Go figure. P.S. You may have noticed that Judy does NOT respond very elegantly to constructive criticism. If anyone can point to an untruth I've posted, please let me know and point my error - be specific, so we can resolve any misunderstandings. Thanks in advance. On 11/27/2013 10:33 AM, Share Long wrote: I think Truth is something huge, that cannot really be completely conveyed in words alone. Unless the speaker or writer is communicating from a very settled and integrated level of consciousness. OTOH, unless someone has a nefarious intention, I think most people try to communicate truthfully. But each of us is limited by our connection to Truth. The most trustworthy people, imho, are those who recognize this and intend to become more and more truthful. On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:21 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: Maybe, but I almost always suspect someone of not being totally honest when they post as an anonymous informant. I used to post under various handles until I got outed, and so I decided when I retired, I would just use my real name. I've got nothing to hide and nobody can fire me from my job since I'm self-employed now. But using a handle is no biggie to me because I understand why some people need to keep their privacy. But, I did get a little paranoid reading Bill's post where he claimed Ravi had stalked or threatened, to what - expose Bill and his wife. What's up with that? That's when things get REALLY nasty around here - I wouldn't blame Rick if he shut down the whole discussion group, if that's what going to happen here on a regular basis! It is always troubling to see someone get banned from the group. Where I used to work, you had to really screw up big time to get fired - like smoking pot in the parking lot or something like that. Hardly anyone gets banned on FFL - Kirk got banned for cursing too. Go figure. And, I don't care if people post mean things about me sometimes - it could always just be a joke of some kind - like when Barry2 posted that my real name was Walter White. LoL! On 11/27/2013 8:49 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote: 10 Ways Liars Use Words To Obscure the Truth http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/ http://liespotting.com/liespotting-basics/words/ We are not
[FairfieldLife] Re: Going out of my mind?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: Re Woo seems to rejoice in them, and it often seems as if something as mundane as evidence is not necessary to determine truth.: Thanks for your reply. I agree with what you're saying. The only thing I don't rule out is that there may be some woo stuff going on (*just* possibly telepathy? precognition?) that is not amenable to scientific analysis as it's beyond the control of the conscious ego and so non-reproducible in an experimental set-up. I leave that possibility open. As I've never myself experienced telepathy (or seen UFOs . . . etc) I don't take it on trust such a thing exists. For the record, I both agree with Xeno's quote, *and* with your caveat. I *have* experienced a number of things for which there is yet an acceptable non-Woo explanation (such as telepathy, seeing siddhis performed, etc.). And, having experienced these things and knowing first-hand that they *can* be experienced (but without a non-Woo explanation for them myself), I do not discount the possibility that there is some non-scientific Woo going down. On the other hand, what I think both of us were commenting on is the *preference* for the Woo Explanation that we seem to see in so many people. They WANT THEIR WOO, and often get really uptight when someone suggests that the Woo they believe in so strongly might be only a...uh...belief. As well as enlightenment being non demonstrable, there are other important human experiences that I doubt could ever be completely reduced to physics - experiences of love, beauty, remorse . . . The map is not the territory. The last statement tends to explain the Woo-preferrers to me. They have bought into an explanation that was given to them for something. For whatever reason, they have decided to *believe* that explanation (map), and have come to believe in it so thoroughly that they now cannot separate it from the phenomenon itself (the territory). I find that in *almost every case* in which I encounter someone who believes so strongly in the Woo Explanation of some esoteric experience or phenomenon *that they have never personally HAD such an experience or witnessed that phenomenon*. They've only read about it or heard about it. Those who have had the actual experiences tend to be a little more flexible. Yes, it may have happened to them, but No, they don't know why or how. Also, I suspect that a lot of new-age stuff like astrology and tarot is really about providing our subconscious with a language and set of symbols to allow it to communicate with the conscious mind via certain ritualistic practices. Or merely providing a ritual in itself. Repetitive action (think drum circles or chanting) can be consciousness-changing. If you performed a ritual once and got high from it (even if there was no legitimate cause-and-effect relationship between the ritual and the high), then they'll keep doing the ritual, and keep getting high. The ritual serves as a trigger mechanism for some part of their brain to push the you're high button. I don't engage in these new-age practices but accounts I've read by people who've taken these routes seriously (we know there are lots of scam artists) suggest I could be right. There is more in heaven and earth than is dreamed of in your philosophy, Horatio. And there are more scams in heaven and earth, too. Learning to tell the difference seems to be the real nature of the game. The real players keep learning. The amateurs settle for the first explanation given to them and stop. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@ wrote: s3raphita wrote: Re I will prefer a non-woo explanation over a woo explanation because it is more logically connected to well-established physics . . . : I prefer a non-woo theory also. And Occam's razor suggests we should always go for the simplest explanation. But there's a lot of woo in physics: quantum theory, dark matter, fine tuning, wormholes, . . . Quantum mechanics, the standard model is basically the result of attempting to explain certain observations. The theory is adjusted by plugging in real world measurements. The latest addition is the Higgs boson. This does not mean the theory is actually true, only that it conforms to observation. A lot of physics is speculative. String theory is the most woo, as so far no one seems to have been able to formulate a version that can be tested. Re Woo depends a lot on personal, internal, messy, incoherent world views: Maybe; maybe not. The thing about these psychological put-downs is that they're double-edged. Couldn't you claim that non-woo types are rigid/frigid/emotionally uptight people who are afraid to admit there are more things in Heaven and Earth . . . than are dreamt of in your philosophy. Also, non-woo types can be playing the role of tough guy - the no one makes a monkey out of me kind of act. They think they're just being reasonable; maybe they're just being defensive.
[FairfieldLife] Ironies of ironies!
http://voices.yahoo.com/an-overview-moabs-role-bible-2042069.html http://voices.yahoo.com/an-overview-moabs-role-bible-2042069.html Ironies of ironies, from Ruth is going to come the great king David (who will later conquer and subjugate the Moabites, as will later Israelite kings) and from David will come Jesus, the Messiah. So if we follow Jesus' lineage back far enough, we come to his ancestor Moab, who was born of incest. It is amazing how God can use anything for His good.
[FairfieldLife] Scientists and Writers Answer Little Kids Big Questions
http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2013/11/26/does-my-goldfish-know-\ who-i-am/?utm_content=buffera7d02utm_source=bufferutm_medium=twitteru\ tm_campaign=Buffer http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2013/11/26/does-my-goldfish-know\ -who-i-am/?utm_content=buffera7d02utm_source=bufferutm_medium=twitter\ utm_campaign=Buffer Any scientist who can't explain to an eight-year-old what he's doing is a charlatan. - Kurt Vonnegut
