[FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Sal, what became of the TM teachers who fragmented from the movement? Just wondering, they seemed organized and found some presentation independent of the Vlodrop movement. Do they still have a public presence or are they underground? -Buck They are doing very well indeed: Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Transcendental Meditation courses affordable for everyone with fees up to 50% lower than other TM courses in UK Europe View on www.meditationtrust.com http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Preview by Yahoo They teach a lot of people and hold courses, even teaching the siddhis. The TMO are seething about it and keep trying to get them legally banned but they don't have a case. I think that if the Scorpionland debacle was Marshy's only way of coping with the fact that people didn't like the devious and stupid way the movement was run then they were right to leave. Remember how it started, the price doubled at the same time that Marshy was ordering teachers to try and teach as many as possible. The renegade teachers were complaining that if - as they sincerely believed because they'd been told that by the Reesh himself - the world was in imminent danger the price should surely come down to get more people to learn to create the coherence to save the world. They were told that wasn't up for discussion, I know because I was on the conference call where they were told to keep ranks and not rock the boat. The whole thing was a continuation of years of mismanagement and they quit, taking a huge amount of business with them. Greed and inflexibility from the TMO was the cause of this, these people were devoted to the teaching and still are. I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and hope they all vote a resounding Yes! and immediately outlaw the practice of TMSP and make it illegal to advertise TM in any way, shape or form. LOL, you really don't like it do you! Here's the news, TM is very popular in Glasgow and the teacher there makes a good living from
[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Your problem with the movement, Edg, is quite simple: you gave yourself away like a cheap tart and they fucked you. What else did you expect? This is a joke isn't it? Of course it is. The only other explanation would be that we got into a spiritual movement expecting it to develop consciousness and improve relationships in the manner that it claims, and yet we become so bitter at the reality that anyone who complains about the failure of the technique to produce what is claimed in the brochure must be an idiot to have expected it in the first place. And yet everyone keeps doing it and believing to the extent that they feel they have to defend it daily on the net. No that couldn't be the explanation, it must be a joke. I just got up, give me time to get up to speed Damn, that's good! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No, I haven't approached my life in a very sensible way. After all, Maharishi told us all to take leave of our senses! Ha ha I laugh at my own joke, .. and you, you fuck. What have I done to you, SHITFORBRAINS, that you're attacking me personally? I don't know you; how in the fuck can you have an opinion about me of any worth? Get of that high horse. Ain't nobody here knows his/her next thought, and you're going to tell me what thoughts/feelings/emotions I have or will have? Fucking turd! ' Ain't no one getting off Earth with any clarity in their back pocket. We're all DUMMIES. We don't know jack shit about ALMOST EVERYTHING. And you're here fizzing like a wet firecracker at me? I've had my victories. I have a good life now. I struggle still with parts of me. I have NEVER been in a fist fight since I was 11 years old. I don't own a gun, and your speculations about me being some sort of danger to the community shows how fucking insane you are to be here with such obviously projected assertions. Here, have a big plate of steaming shit. Eat. It. I'm having such funzies todayI took myself off the leash to toss some shit at the fan here. In real life, I'm Walter Mitty with THE WORLD'S FASTEST TRIKKE. I'M SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF. Gawd, how can you guys not love me to pieces? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had naturally occurred. Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie going on. I wore the Vedic gemsall that. I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O. But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! ! Went to about six psychic types. So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my negativities. $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period thereall for naught. Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his hand inside me. I had two different persons make strange sounds with their mouths -- special sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a relief, eh? Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen my son got cancer diagnosed the next week. We had gone to this nurse because that was her thang...spotting cancer. So I tried FFL. And now I iz saved. I have at least ten people here who are telling me if I make the least mistake.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. Yes Fester, it is stupid to think that TM and all its sundry add-ons was going to work isn't it? And spending so much money on it too! I suppose you never believed a word of it ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had naturally occurred. Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie going on. I wore the Vedic gemsall that. I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O. But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! ! Went to about six psychic types. So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my negativities. $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period thereall for naught. Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his hand inside me. I had two different persons make strange sounds with their mouths -- special sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a relief, eh? Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen my son got cancer diagnosed the next week. We had gone to this nurse because that was her thang...spotting cancer. So I tried FFL. And now I iz saved. I have at least ten people here who are telling me if I make the least mistake. For free! How good is that!
[FairfieldLife] Testing number 5!
In my set, sidhi number 5 is the one that in Sanskrit goes like this: kuurma-naaDyaaM sthairyam. Some translations: Sutra III.31 कूर्मनाड्यां स्थैर्यम्॥३१॥ [HA]: Calmness Is Attained By Samyama On The B.. T [IT]: (32): (By performing Samyama) on the Kurma-nadi steadiness. [VH]: On the tortoise duct (tortoise), steadiness. [BM]: From perfect discipline of the “tortoise vein,” one’s being becomes steady. [SS]: (32): By samyama on the kurma nadi (a subtle tortoise-shaped tube located below the throat), motionless in the meditative posture is achieved. [SP]: (32) By making samyama on the tube within the chest, one acquires absolute motionlessness. [SV]: (32): On the nerve called Kurma (comes) fixity of the body. Anyone tested whether one can become motionless practising especially this TM-sidhi?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Testing number 5!
Meaning this, from Bhoja-deva's comment: ...yadi vA kAyasya sthairyamutpadyate na kenachit spandayituM shakyata ityarthaH .. 31.. ...or firmness is produced in the body (of the ascetic), that is, it cannot be moved by anything.
[FairfieldLife] Morning in Devraha Baba Ashram
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Dan, what Edg didn't catch is that we were all thrown into that same gigantic, cosmic washingmachine. We lived for a dollar a day, in Europe, in the USA and in Asia for tens of years and it was OK. What mattered was the idea that by doing so Maharishi would connect us to something bigger, something greater. For some that greater was more personal power and riches, perhaps to meet a lovely lady, for others it was longevity and good health, but for most of us it meant that by His Grace we could shake hands with Godhead. I'm communicating with many of the friends from that time, and I can assure you; whatever their desires were, with the blessings of their own good karma and with the help of the most competent Guide, their aspirations are fulfilled. A very interesting feature is when you meet an old meditator who has simply done TM twice a day, someone who perhaps met Maharishi in the 60's. With 0 expectations, yet they find their lives mysteriously fulfilled on levels they had not even imagined. I can't see thru Edg's eyes (or experience thru his consciousness). But speaking only for I, I got no complaints. Maybe lower expectations? I see three factors contributing to how one feels about their TM experience if, in the end, they feel it was negative. 1) the level of their expectations 2) their personality and character that is unique to them 3) the amount of time, energy and money they spent on all the things you can spend time, energy and money on with relation to the Movement. If you have the perfect storm of all three then you can end up with some individuals feeling pretty angry or contemptuous or downright murderous about it all. But, whether you are talking about a failed spiritual path or a failed investment strategy it still comes down to the choices and the character of the participant. This does not mean that there are not spiritual paths or investment opportunities that are scams and manipulative but it does mean that it takes at least two to tango. Ann, You are very helpful here. I have no idea about all this controversy. I guess it's my youthful innocence, or perhaps just naivety. I don't 'get it', yet I do hear all kinds of complaints emanating from Members here. I'll try to pay better attention, but without your insight, I keep missing the picture. Maybe we'll all learn something. Dan from nyc far away from this controversy ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Speak for yourself, Edg. You say, We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps. But what you actually mean is I was a hustler with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. I was a fucking chump. I have always had beautiful shoes (most recent pair of Red Wing desert boots custom made for Brooks Brothers, they phone when something special comes in). My suits are stylish and my car 'clean and neat'. I am also honest. Big difference between us Edgy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding a philosophy made necessary if the concept transcendental is the basis of it. Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had general philosophy 101 classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who could lead a discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to study the Gita or other scriptures, never had any must memorize commands, etc. We were forbidden to read any other spiritual books. Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that was always informal and there was no lesson plan for the students. In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to defend TM with concepts and logic.except such as we were able to individually pony up when the moment came that someone asked a deeper question. We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our audiences were as un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the max. Any PhD in philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots and sweating buckets. Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types.the nice folks who were stupid but who would do great works none-the-less. We swallowed that shit like it was caviar. So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me -- it's just window dressing in a billion dollar scam. I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book underlining and adding comments and questions in the margins. After I got into Advaita, I read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED at the lack of consistency of how key concepts were used. Go ahead, try to find out
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Earl's letter http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html Ann, you just helped me understand something better so I thanked you for that in my earlier Post. Now I'll return the favor, just see below... Interesting, now that I have read it. If it is all true then more's the pity. If it is partially true then it should give people pause. I think that this letter was written from a place of sincerity and concern by the Kaplans. They were, evidently, privy to all sorts of carefully protected secrets and were part of the inner circle. Whenever the inner circle chooses to speak about the things that go on close to the center of things it can mean one of two things: they are speaking the truth or they are disgruntled and making things up. [They are disgruntled and making things up.] I am in no position to know which it is or what percentage is made up of truth and what percentage is simple disgruntlement. Thinking back on what Robin has said about his own realization of his enlightenment it appears to closely jive with that Kaplan claims of what TM does to one, which is interesting for me. I am sure Robin has seen this letter as has everyone else on the planet except, apparently, me. Some of this troubles me as a sort of one-man's-viewpoint analysis because it is terribly damning and yet I am so removed from the TM Movement and even TM itself I find I am untouched. Still, this letter has evidently been influential and has created some serious doubts about MMY in many people's minds. I have to say, I feel badly, on one level for the Kaplans because they gave a lot to what they believed was true and good and right. In reading his letter I also realize Kaplan is going to survive it all and come out the other side intact. What is he and his brother doing now?[he's seething and sulking, not productive IMHO] From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, my 100% Irish Brit SO was born in London, his parents were born in Sligo. But they moved to England after their marriage, raised 5 children and ran a family pub in Ealing. My SO had good friends in Skem. He himself lived in Leylestad for a while after he got his MS in Computer Science from MUM. He got a job in Utrecht, I think for a company called IBS. Ah, pub eh? No wonder you out scored me, I must have forgotten what real English life is all about. Anyway, I use the past tense because he died at the age of 46 on Oct 5, 2009. In summer 2006 he was living in Paris and somehow stumbled on the infamous Earl Kaplan letter. He stopped meditating. I still think that if he had continued doing TM, he'd still be alive. Of course, I could be wrong... Wow, sad story Share and I don't mean to pry, but are you punishing yourself about the TM thing? Or did he develop high blood pressure afterwards (or anything relevant healthwise). I've known a lot of people in the TMO die of all sorts of common things that you'd think we'd be immune to given all the claims made, so maybe it was just a continuation of something? I don't know either of course, just speculating, so feel free to ignore this bit! The Kaplan letter was a funny old thing. I thought it was a third true, a third probably true and a third nonsense. Shook a lot of people up I should think. I wouldn't be amusing myself on FFL without it as I had to join to read it in the files section. I don't know anything about this Kaplan letter. I need to find it somewhere. I'll report back.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Great Fairfieldlife Posting Race
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/12/2014 7:03 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: just checking... If I reply to every one of Richard's Posts, and then arbitrarily pick to reply to a few other people's posts, and start some old Topics, and then just hit reply without writing anything... ..do I win? Strategy check for mid-point assessment. Answer and question simultaneously: If you 'win' does everyone else lose? Ann, You tryin' Zen or some Aidvaita to play wit my head? Sos the answer to your koan is that We All Win We are all One, but APPEAR to be differrent. I know that, so when I WIN, we ALL Win. But, just in case I'm wrong. We can All Win because of my win, but I remain Champion of the ONE TEAM There are six FFL informants who are over the weekly posting limits, according to Rick's old limit. Since there are no posting limits now, all those under 50 messages are to be considered non-social - who can't even carry on a conversation exceeding 100 words per topic in a twelve hour period. Go figure. Any other things I should Post about? Anyone? Where We Went What We Did Today What People Think What People Wear What People Eat Where People Go What People Don't Think Where People Live What People Are Doing What People Want I'm sticking with the highlighted one for now. Why did you choose that?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : What the hell don't we understand about this isn't about us ? ? ? I'm not even a messenger; just a kibitzer in the crowd, and some of you want me shamed outta here or whatever -- how rare is the truth sought here when all of us are so vulnerable to being correctly dismissed as damaged goods? See someone's flaws and have at it hoss -- but don't call your lust to thrust a personality dynamic of a knower of reality. Geeze, learn a lesson from Maharishi here...at least he knew how to handle hostility coming from someone on the mike -- almost always graciously(I can think of a couple exceptions, but . . . ) It's not important if anyone here approves of any statement, or not. What's important is that THIS RECORD of the minds of a few survivors of the TMO be at least registered here. Over the years here, although I've changed my mind, yes I have, due to some of the arguments here, let's face it, this place is not about attempting to formulate statements upon which we all can agree. Instead, we get so much head bashing. Let this be on the record too sayeth moi -- let the whole messy-ness of it, the soul swampy steam coming off of it, let it all be recorded here. If I am a miscreant out to propagandize to a few minds here -- let it be recorded. Dave, you kinda lost me from here down... This...all of thisdone by true believers lo these many decades. Hey it's sci-fi now but an actuality that's coming soon enough is that there's going to be a tech that will make use of all this jabbering of ours -- and who the fuck knows what wisdom can be mined herein by some A.I. engine around the corner, eh? Some sooperdooper A.I. that would rule the world would at least be able to buddy up with the likes of the sorry spiritual drunks almost passed out in the corners of Rick's Place. We'd be on our knees e-praying in about ten minutes flat once an A.I. god told us we were special. Who can't be easily pegged by their postings here? Everyone's put out all this data about themselves without even thinking twice about how it could all be put into a dossier with which A.I. can grok a person 100%. Or the NSA. No diff. I just wanted to and will continue to lay out my POV -- 29 years before the mast and the ship went down. And my story is true for about 95% of all the folks that once invested in the technique -- it just didn't pan out. It's not about me; it's about all the other me-types -- the universal-anyone-who-can-think-a-thought-can-do-it technique simply had no pizzazz and the audience evaporated. Ta ta and thanks for all the.you thought I'd say fish, right? You're mind readers! ! ! ! !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
Here is an interesting past post from FFL - It's funny how time will bring almost a casual understatement of what happened to the Kaplans. My memory is that almost $100 million was donated, but the problem came when $20-25 million that was in an account that had multiple signiturs ( 1 movement, 2 Kaplans ??) was used/taken by the movement and not used for it's intended taxes and other expenses for the Blue Mt properties. So the final flimflam was an additional $20+ million missing, not 'being attached' to money after it has been donationed. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Earl's letter http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html Interesting, now that I have read it. If it is all true then more's the pity. If it is partially true then it should give people pause. I think that this letter was written from a place of sincerity and concern by the Kaplans. They were, evidently, privy to all sorts of carefully protected secrets and were part of the inner circle. Whenever the inner circle chooses to speak about the things that go on close to the center of things it can mean one of two things: they are speaking the truth or they are disgruntled and making things up. I am in no position to know which it is or what percentage is made up of truth and what percentage is simple disgruntlement. Thinking back on what Robin has said about his own realization of his enlightenment it appears to closely jive with that Kaplan claims of what TM does to one, which is interesting for me. I am sure Robin has seen this letter as has everyone else on the planet except, apparently, me. Some of this troubles me as a sort of one-man's-viewpoint analysis because it is terribly damning and yet I am so removed from the TM Movement and even TM itself I find I am untouched. Still, this letter has evidently been influential and has created some serious doubts about MMY in many people's minds. I have to say, I feel badly, on one level for the Kaplans because they gave a lot to what they believed was true and good and right. In reading his letter I also realize Kaplan is going to survive it all and come out the other side intact. What is he and his brother doing now? From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, my 100% Irish Brit SO was born in London, his parents were born in Sligo. But they moved to England after their marriage, raised 5 children and ran a family pub in Ealing. My SO had good friends in Skem. He himself lived in Leylestad for a while after he got his MS in Computer Science from MUM. He got a job in Utrecht, I think for a company called IBS. Ah, pub eh? No wonder you out scored me, I must have forgotten what real English life is all about. Anyway, I use the past tense because he died at the age of 46 on Oct 5, 2009. In summer 2006 he was living in Paris and somehow stumbled on the infamous Earl Kaplan letter. He stopped meditating. I still think that if he had continued doing TM, he'd still be alive. Of course, I could be wrong... Wow, sad story Share and I don't mean to pry, but are you punishing yourself about the TM thing? Or did he develop high blood pressure afterwards (or anything relevant healthwise). I've known a lot of people in the TMO die of all sorts of common things that you'd think we'd be immune to given all the claims made, so maybe it was just a continuation of something? I don't know either of course, just speculating, so feel free to ignore this bit! The Kaplan letter was a funny old thing. I thought it was a third true, a third probably true and a third nonsense. Shook a lot of people up I should think. I wouldn't be amusing myself on FFL without it as I had to join to read it in the files section. I don't know anything about this Kaplan letter. I need to find it somewhere. I'll report back.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
I think he's still in the publishing business in some fashion. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Earl's letter http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html Interesting, now that I have read it. If it is all true then more's the pity. If it is partially true then it should give people pause. I think that this letter was written from a place of sincerity and concern by the Kaplans. They were, evidently, privy to all sorts of carefully protected secrets and were part of the inner circle. Whenever the inner circle chooses to speak about the things that go on close to the center of things it can mean one of two things: they are speaking the truth or they are disgruntled and making things up. I am in no position to know which it is or what percentage is made up of truth and what percentage is simple disgruntlement. Thinking back on what Robin has said about his own realization of his enlightenment it appears to closely jive with that Kaplan claims of what TM does to one, which is interesting for me. I am sure Robin has seen this letter as has everyone else on the planet except, apparently, me. Some of this troubles me as a sort of one-man's-viewpoint analysis because it is terribly damning and yet I am so removed from the TM Movement and even TM itself I find I am untouched. Still, this letter has evidently been influential and has created some serious doubts about MMY in many people's minds. I have to say, I feel badly, on one level for the Kaplans because they gave a lot to what they believed was true and good and right. In reading his letter I also realize Kaplan is going to survive it all and come out the other side intact. What is he and his brother doing now? From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, my 100% Irish Brit SO was born in London, his parents were born in Sligo. But they moved to England after their marriage, raised 5 children and ran a family pub in Ealing. My SO had good friends in Skem. He himself lived in Leylestad for a while after he got his MS in Computer Science from MUM. He got a job in Utrecht, I think for a company called IBS. Ah, pub eh? No wonder you out scored me, I must have forgotten what real English life is all about. Anyway, I use the past tense because he died at the age of 46 on Oct 5, 2009. In summer 2006 he was living in Paris and somehow stumbled on the infamous Earl Kaplan letter. He stopped meditating. I still think that if he had continued doing TM, he'd still be alive. Of course, I could be wrong... Wow, sad story Share and I don't mean to pry, but are you punishing yourself about the TM thing? Or did he develop high blood pressure afterwards (or anything relevant healthwise). I've known a lot of people in the TMO die of all sorts of common things that you'd think we'd be immune to given all the claims made, so maybe it was just a continuation of something? I don't know either of course, just speculating, so feel free to ignore this bit! The Kaplan letter was a funny old thing. I thought it was a third true, a third probably true and a third nonsense. Shook a lot of people up I should think. I wouldn't be amusing myself on FFL without it as I had to join to read it in the files section. I don't know anything about this Kaplan letter. I need to find it somewhere. I'll report back.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: wayback71@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com It was delivered to my doorstep the other day and just a few pages I enjoy his writing style - he is clear and articulate and really nails things. I will read it this weekend. And Barry, as you know, he says there is no self (ha, we have been thru this many times)!! Indeed. He seems to be a very strong personality, with a very strong sense of self, uh, saying there is no self. :-) Unlike some here, I don't have to agree with everything a writer says to like that writer... :-) And unlike some Posters here, I don't have to disagree with everything a Poster posts to totally dismiss that Poster.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
Edg, I just wanted to do a drive-by and say that I've been appreciating your recent rants. They've been very honest and very real and obviously far too real for many here. I haven't bothered to chime in with, Yeah, what he said... yet, but not because I haven't felt that. I just knew that the shaming thing would start and I didn't want to be even a peripheral part of another re-run of that silly soap opera, so I've been staying out of it. But you're a writer and we all know how writers need occasional feedback. So mine is Good stuff. Keep it up, Bro. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : What the hell don't we understand about this isn't about us ? ? ? I'm not even a messenger; just a kibitzer in the crowd, and some of you want me shamed outta here or whatever -- how rare is the truth sought here when all of us are so vulnerable to being correctly dismissed as damaged goods? See someone's flaws and have at it hoss -- but don't call your lust to thrust a personality dynamic of a knower of reality. Geeze, learn a lesson from Maharishi here...at least he knew how to handle hostility coming from someone on the mike -- almost always graciously(I can think of a couple exceptions, but . . . ) It's not important if anyone here approves of any statement, or not. What's important is that THIS RECORD of the minds of a few survivors of the TMO be at least registered here. Over the years here, although I've changed my mind, yes I have, due to some of the arguments here, let's face it, this place is not about attempting to formulate statements upon which we all can agree. Instead, we get so much head bashing. Let this be on the record too sayeth moi -- let the whole messy-ness of it, the soul swampy steam coming off of it, let it all be recorded here. If I am a miscreant out to propagandize to a few minds here -- let it be recorded. This...all of thisdone by true believers lo these many decades. Hey it's sci-fi now but an actuality that's coming soon enough is that there's going to be a tech that will make use of all this jabbering of ours -- and who the fuck knows what wisdom can be mined herein by some A.I. engine around the corner, eh? Some sooperdooper A.I. that would rule the world would at least be able to buddy up with the likes of the sorry spiritual drunks almost passed out in the corners of Rick's Place. We'd be on our knees e-praying in about ten minutes flat once an A.I. god told us we were special. Who can't be easily pegged by their postings here? Everyone's put out all this data about themselves without even thinking twice about how it could all be put into a dossier with which A.I. can grok a person 100%. Or the NSA. No diff. I just wanted to and will continue to lay out my POV -- 29 years before the mast and the ship went down. And my story is true for about 95% of all the folks that once invested in the technique -- it just didn't pan out. It's not about me; it's about all the other me-types -- the universal-anyone-who-can-think-a-thought-can-do-it technique simply had no pizzazz and the audience evaporated. Ta ta and thanks for all the.you thought I'd say fish, right? You're mind readers! ! ! ! !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I've been working on taxes today and had to delay continuing with the book, but the clarity is welcome after the lax mental sprawl that has become FFL of late. Harris really has a gift for organising material. If you have gotten to the part in the 'self' section about using a transporter, I presented this argument to an initiator some years ago, and the response was, 'No I would not go into such a device'. Perhaps you could review the book here on FFL, not that the most of the current crowd has much capacity for grasping the arguments. Most of the current crowd doesn't have the attention span and intellect to read a comic book, much less something like this. I'll pass. :-) Besides, you know they'd never read it, because they'd be terrified of catching atheist cooties and finding out how mindfulness really works. :-) Can I get cooties from having read this Post? Doctor!!!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
Not the kind of thing Bucky wants to hear, that the renegades are going great guns! This piece of Movement history to me shows just what a venal, spiteful piece of trash Marshy really was. His own greed caused the teachers to defect and he tried, stupidly to punish them by declaring that no one could teach TM in the UK - how could the idiot possibly think the ones who defected would pay any attention to his bs? The ones who got hurt were his loyal initiators. When they saw what he was doing, the loyal ones should have followed their mates and everyone should have left. How anyone can look at this level of grade school having a fit cause people won't gimme what I want on Marshy's part and still think he's some kind of saint is a testament to just how willing some people are to live in total denial of facts and live the bliss of illusion. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Sal, what became of the TM teachers who fragmented from the movement? Just wondering, they seemed organized and found some presentation independent of the Vlodrop movement. Do they still have a public presence or are they underground? -Buck They are doing very well indeed: Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust Transcendental Meditation courses affordable for everyone with fees up to 50% lower than other TM courses in UK Europe View on www.meditationtrust.com Preview by Yahoo They teach a lot of people and hold courses, even teaching the siddhis. The TMO are seething about it and keep trying to get them legally banned but they don't have a case. I think that if the Scorpionland debacle was Marshy's only way of coping with the fact that people didn't like the devious and stupid way the movement was run then they were right to leave. Remember how it started, the price doubled at the same time that Marshy was ordering teachers to try and teach as many as possible. The renegade teachers were complaining that if - as they sincerely believed because they'd been told that by the Reesh himself - the world was in imminent danger the price should surely come down to get more people to learn to create the coherence to save the world. They were told that wasn't up for discussion, I know because I was on the conference call where they were told to keep ranks and not rock the boat. The whole thing was a continuation of years of mismanagement and they quit, taking a huge amount of business with them. Greed and inflexibility from the TMO was the cause of this, these people were devoted to the teaching and still are. I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions.Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have
[FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Sal, what became of the TM teachers who fragmented from the movement? Just wondering, they seemed organized and found some presentation independent of the Vlodrop movement. Do they still have a public presence or are they underground? -Buck They are doing very well indeed: Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Transcendental Meditation courses affordable for everyone with fees up to 50% lower than other TM courses in UK Europe View on www.meditationtrust.com http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Preview by Yahoo They teach a lot of people and hold courses, even teaching the siddhis. The TMO are seething about it and keep trying to get them legally banned but they don't have a case. I think that if the Scorpionland debacle was Marshy's only way of coping with the fact that people didn't like the devious and stupid way the movement was run then they were right to leave. [Revisionist history]. Remember how it started, the price doubled at the same time that Marshy was ordering teachers to try and teach as many as possible. The renegade teachers were complaining that if - as they sincerely believed because they'd been told that by the Reesh himself - the world was in imminent danger the price should surely come down to get more people to learn to create the coherence to save the world. They were told that wasn't up for discussion, I know because I was on the conference call where they were told to keep ranks and not rock the boat. The whole thing was a continuation of years of mismanagement and they quit, taking a huge amount of business with them. Greed and inflexibility from the TMO was the cause of this,[You'll need a better plotline, but I expect this version sells better to your devoted readers] these people were devoted to the teaching and still are.[Maharishi's Teaching included his instruction on how to Teach TM. When people start their own way, that becomes Their Own Way, not TM as Taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.] I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here![...to find out what gossip sounds like] #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
Unfortunately its not a joke - the person who wrote that is a fine example of the lack of decency the Movement churns out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Your problem with the movement, Edg, is quite simple: you gave yourself away like a cheap tart and they fucked you. What else did you expect? This is a joke isn't it? Of course it is. The only other explanation would be that we got into a spiritual movement expecting it to develop consciousness and improve relationships in the manner that it claims, and yet we become so bitter at the reality that anyone who complains about the failure of the technique to produce what is claimed in the brochure must be an idiot to have expected it in the first place. And yet everyone keeps doing it and believing to the extent that they feel they have to defend it daily on the net. No that couldn't be the explanation, it must be a joke. I just got up, give me time to get up to speed Damn, that's good! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No, I haven't approached my life in a very sensible way. After all, Maharishi told us all to take leave of our senses! Ha ha I laugh at my own joke, .. and you, you fuck. What have I done to you, SHITFORBRAINS, that you're attacking me personally? I don't know you; how in the fuck can you have an opinion about me of any worth? Get of that high horse. Ain't nobody here knows his/her next thought, and you're going to tell me what thoughts/feelings/emotions I have or will have? Fucking turd! ' Ain't no one getting off Earth with any clarity in their back pocket. We're all DUMMIES. We don't know jack shit about ALMOST EVERYTHING. And you're here fizzing like a wet firecracker at me? I've had my victories. I have a good life now. I struggle still with parts of me. I have NEVER been in a fist fight since I was 11 years old. I don't own a gun, and your speculations about me being some sort of danger to the community shows how fucking insane you are to be here with such obviously projected assertions. Here, have a big plate of steaming shit. Eat. It. I'm having such funzies todayI took myself off the leash to toss some shit at the fan here. In real life, I'm Walter Mitty with THE WORLD'S FASTEST TRIKKE. I'M SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF. Gawd, how can you guys not love me to pieces? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had naturally occurred. Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie going on. I wore the Vedic gemsall that. I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O. But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! ! Went to about six psychic types. So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my negativities. $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period thereall for naught. Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his hand inside me. I had two different persons make strange sounds with their mouths -- special sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a
[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Your problem with the movement, Edg, is quite simple: you gave yourself away like a cheap tart and they fucked you. What else did you expect? This is a joke isn't it? Of course it is. The only other explanation would be that we got into a spiritual movement expecting it to develop consciousness and improve relationships in the manner that it claims, and yet we become so bitter at the reality that anyone who complains about the failure of the technique to produce what is claimed in the brochure must be an idiot to have expected it in the first place. And yet everyone keeps doing it and believing to the extent that they feel they have to defend it daily on the net. No that couldn't be the explanation, it must be a joke. I just got up, give me time to get up to speedTake your time to wake up before posting again. You're talking in circles, just now. Damn, that's good! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No, I haven't approached my life in a very sensible way. After all, Maharishi told us all to take leave of our senses! Ha ha I laugh at my own joke, .. and you, you fuck. What have I done to you, SHITFORBRAINS, that you're attacking me personally? I don't know you; how in the fuck can you have an opinion about me of any worth? Get of that high horse. Ain't nobody here knows his/her next thought, and you're going to tell me what thoughts/feelings/emotions I have or will have? Fucking turd! ' Ain't no one getting off Earth with any clarity in their back pocket. We're all DUMMIES. We don't know jack shit about ALMOST EVERYTHING. And you're here fizzing like a wet firecracker at me? I've had my victories. I have a good life now. I struggle still with parts of me. I have NEVER been in a fist fight since I was 11 years old. I don't own a gun, and your speculations about me being some sort of danger to the community shows how fucking insane you are to be here with such obviously projected assertions. Here, have a big plate of steaming shit. Eat. It. I'm having such funzies todayI took myself off the leash to toss some shit at the fan here. In real life, I'm Walter Mitty with THE WORLD'S FASTEST TRIKKE. I'M SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF. Gawd, how can you guys not love me to pieces? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had naturally occurred. Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie going on. I wore the Vedic gemsall that. I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O. But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! ! Went to about six psychic types. So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my negativities. $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period thereall for naught. Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his hand inside me. I had two different persons make strange sounds with their mouths -- special sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a relief, eh? Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen my son got cancer diagnosed the next week. We had gone to this nurse
[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. Yes Fester, it is stupid to think that TM and all its sundry add-ons was going to work isn't it? And spending so much money on it too! I suppose you never believed a word of itSal, You promised to wake up a bit before posting again. Yet, here you are, all groggy and talkin' in circles. You're making me dizzy! And sleepy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had naturally occurred. Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie going on. I wore the Vedic gemsall that. I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O. But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! ! Went to about six psychic types. So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my negativities. $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period thereall for naught. Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his hand inside me. I had two different persons make strange sounds with their mouths -- special sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a relief, eh? Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen my son got cancer diagnosed the next week. We had gone to this nurse because that was her thang...spotting cancer. So I tried FFL. And now I iz saved. I have at least ten people here who are telling me if I make the least mistake. For free! How good is that!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Here is an interesting past post from FFL - It's funny how time will bring almost a casual understatement of what happened to the Kaplans. My memory is that almost $100 million was donated, but the problem came when $20-25 million that was in an account that had multiple signiturs ( 1 movement, 2 Kaplans ??) was used/taken by the movement and not used for it's intended taxes and other expenses for the Blue Mt properties. So the final flimflam was an additional $20+ million missing, not 'being attached' to money after it has been donationed. So Earl Kaplan is a tax dodger? Another good source for information. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Earl's letter http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html Interesting, now that I have read it. If it is all true then more's the pity. If it is partially true then it should give people pause. I think that this letter was written from a place of sincerity and concern by the Kaplans. They were, evidently, privy to all sorts of carefully protected secrets and were part of the inner circle. Whenever the inner circle chooses to speak about the things that go on close to the center of things it can mean one of two things: they are speaking the truth or they are disgruntled and making things up. I am in no position to know which it is or what percentage is made up of truth and what percentage is simple disgruntlement. Thinking back on what Robin has said about his own realization of his enlightenment it appears to closely jive with that Kaplan claims of what TM does to one, which is interesting for me. I am sure Robin has seen this letter as has everyone else on the planet except, apparently, me. Some of this troubles me as a sort of one-man's-viewpoint analysis because it is terribly damning and yet I am so removed from the TM Movement and even TM itself I find I am untouched. Still, this letter has evidently been influential and has created some serious doubts about MMY in many people's minds. I have to say, I feel badly, on one level for the Kaplans because they gave a lot to what they believed was true and good and right. In reading his letter I also realize Kaplan is going to survive it all and come out the other side intact. What is he and his brother doing now? From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, my 100% Irish Brit SO was born in London, his parents were born in Sligo. But they moved to England after their marriage, raised 5 children and ran a family pub in Ealing. My SO had good friends in Skem. He himself lived in Leylestad for a while after he got his MS in Computer Science from MUM. He got a job in Utrecht, I think for a company called IBS. Ah, pub eh? No wonder you out scored me, I must have forgotten what real English life is all about. Anyway, I use the past tense because he died at the age of 46 on Oct 5, 2009. In summer 2006 he was living in Paris and somehow stumbled on the infamous Earl Kaplan letter. He stopped meditating. I still think that if he had continued doing TM, he'd still be alive. Of course, I could be wrong... Wow, sad story Share and I don't mean to pry, but are you punishing yourself about the TM thing? Or did he develop high blood pressure afterwards (or anything relevant healthwise). I've known a lot of people in the TMO die of all sorts of common things that you'd think we'd be immune to given all the claims made, so maybe it was just a continuation of something? I don't know either of course, just speculating, so feel free to ignore this bit! The Kaplan letter was a funny old thing. I thought it was a third true, a third probably true and a third nonsense. Shook a lot of people up I should think. I wouldn't be amusing myself on FFL without it as I had to join to read it in the files section. I don't know anything about this Kaplan letter. I need to find it somewhere. I'll report back.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Not the kind of thing Bucky wants to hear, that the renegades are going great guns! This piece of Movement history to me shows just what a venal, spiteful piece of trash Marshy really was. His own greed caused the teachers to defect and he tried, stupidly to punish them by declaring that no one could teach TM in the UK - how could the idiot possibly think the ones who defected would pay any attention to his bs? The ones who got hurt were his loyal initiators. When they saw what he was doing, the loyal ones should have followed their mates and everyone should have left. How anyone can look at this level of grade school having a fit cause people won't gimme what I want on Marshy's part and still think he's some kind of saint is a testament to just how willing some people are to live in total denial of facts and live the bliss of illusion. It was the rationalisations that got me baffled. They'd all sit around wondering why Marshy did it and come up with scenario's like He's trying to get rid of the deadwood in the movement so we can be better when it re-starts or Marshy sees natural laws at a deeper level than we can guess at so he must be right whatever he does. Bend over and take it in other words, and don't forget to say thankyou for sharing more profound knowledge with us. I know TM teachers who admit that half of their career has been trying to work out why Marshy did things. Occam's razor never occurred to them, everything had to somehow be filtered through the belief that he was always right. Kind of a lopsided way of looking at the world! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Sal, what became of the TM teachers who fragmented from the movement? Just wondering, they seemed organized and found some presentation independent of the Vlodrop movement. Do they still have a public presence or are they underground? -Buck They are doing very well indeed: Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Transcendental Meditation courses affordable for everyone with fees up to 50% lower than other TM courses in UK Europe View on www.meditationtrust.com http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Preview by Yahoo They teach a lot of people and hold courses, even teaching the siddhis. The TMO are seething about it and keep trying to get them legally banned but they don't have a case. I think that if the Scorpionland debacle was Marshy's only way of coping with the fact that people didn't like the devious and stupid way the movement was run then they were right to leave. Remember how it started, the price doubled at the same time that Marshy was ordering teachers to try and teach as many as possible. The renegade teachers were complaining that if - as they sincerely believed because they'd been told that by the Reesh himself - the world was in imminent danger the price should surely come down to get more people to learn to create the coherence to save the world. They were told that wasn't up for discussion, I know because I was on the conference call where they were told to keep ranks and not rock the boat. The whole thing was a continuation of years of mismanagement and they quit, taking a huge amount of business with them. Greed and inflexibility from the TMO was the cause of this, these people were devoted to the teaching and still are. I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Edg, I just wanted to do a drive-by and say that I've been appreciating your recent rants. And who better to appreciate a good rant. Incidentally, what makes a rant good? Any qualifications for 'excellent' rants? Do you consider yourself an Excellent Ranter? Are you mentoring Dave because of your track record of Excellent Rants. Expert, please let us know your secrets.They've been very honest and very real and obviously far too real for many here. I haven't bothered to chime in with, Yeah, what he said... yet, but not because I haven't felt that. I just knew that the shaming thing would start and I didn't want to be even a peripheral part of another re-run of that silly soap opera, so I've been staying out of it. Thank you for that. But you're a writer and we all know how writers need occasional feedback [You're welcome, in advance, for the feedback]. So mine is Good stuff. Keep it up, Bro. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : What the hell don't we understand about this isn't about us ? ? ? I'm not even a messenger; just a kibitzer in the crowd, and some of you want me shamed outta here or whatever -- how rare is the truth sought here when all of us are so vulnerable to being correctly dismissed as damaged goods? See someone's flaws and have at it hoss -- but don't call your lust to thrust a personality dynamic of a knower of reality. Geeze, learn a lesson from Maharishi here...at least he knew how to handle hostility coming from someone on the mike -- almost always graciously(I can think of a couple exceptions, but . . . ) It's not important if anyone here approves of any statement, or not. What's important is that THIS RECORD of the minds of a few survivors of the TMO be at least registered here. Over the years here, although I've changed my mind, yes I have, due to some of the arguments here, let's face it, this place is not about attempting to formulate statements upon which we all can agree. Instead, we get so much head bashing. Let this be on the record too sayeth moi -- let the whole messy-ness of it, the soul swampy steam coming off of it, let it all be recorded here. If I am a miscreant out to propagandize to a few minds here -- let it be recorded. This...all of thisdone by true believers lo these many decades. Hey it's sci-fi now but an actuality that's coming soon enough is that there's going to be a tech that will make use of all this jabbering of ours -- and who the fuck knows what wisdom can be mined herein by some A.I. engine around the corner, eh? Some sooperdooper A.I. that would rule the world would at least be able to buddy up with the likes of the sorry spiritual drunks almost passed out in the corners of Rick's Place. We'd be on our knees e-praying in about ten minutes flat once an A.I. god told us we were special. Who can't be easily pegged by their postings here? Everyone's put out all this data about themselves without even thinking twice about how it could all be put into a dossier with which A.I. can grok a person 100%. Or the NSA. No diff. I just wanted to and will continue to lay out my POV -- 29 years before the mast and the ship went down. And my story is true for about 95% of all the folks that once invested in the technique -- it just didn't pan out. It's not about me; it's about all the other me-types -- the universal-anyone-who-can-think-a-thought-can-do-it technique simply had no pizzazz and the audience evaporated. Ta ta and thanks for all the.you thought I'd say fish, right? You're mind readers! ! ! ! !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Edg, I just wanted to do a drive-by and say that I've been appreciating your recent rants. They've been very honest and very real and obviously far too real for many here. I haven't bothered to chime in with, Yeah, what he said... yet, but not because I haven't felt that. I just knew that the shaming thing would start and I didn't want to be even a peripheral part of another re-run of that silly soap opera, so I've been staying out of it. But you're a writer and we all know how writers need occasional feedback. So mine is Good stuff. Keep it up, Bro. Seconded with gusto, I've always liked Edg's style and passion. It's easy to forget that he lived it more than most of us and his opinions carry weight for that reason alone. It's easy for certain others to try and dismiss it as all his own fault or taking it seriously even though they take it seriously themselves! Talk about cognitive dissonance in action! Falling down the rabbit hole one more time... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : What the hell don't we understand about this isn't about us ? ? ? I'm not even a messenger; just a kibitzer in the crowd, and some of you want me shamed outta here or whatever -- how rare is the truth sought here when all of us are so vulnerable to being correctly dismissed as damaged goods? See someone's flaws and have at it hoss -- but don't call your lust to thrust a personality dynamic of a knower of reality. Geeze, learn a lesson from Maharishi here...at least he knew how to handle hostility coming from someone on the mike -- almost always graciously(I can think of a couple exceptions, but . . . ) It's not important if anyone here approves of any statement, or not. What's important is that THIS RECORD of the minds of a few survivors of the TMO be at least registered here. Over the years here, although I've changed my mind, yes I have, due to some of the arguments here, let's face it, this place is not about attempting to formulate statements upon which we all can agree. Instead, we get so much head bashing. Let this be on the record too sayeth moi -- let the whole messy-ness of it, the soul swampy steam coming off of it, let it all be recorded here. If I am a miscreant out to propagandize to a few minds here -- let it be recorded. This...all of thisdone by true believers lo these many decades. Hey it's sci-fi now but an actuality that's coming soon enough is that there's going to be a tech that will make use of all this jabbering of ours -- and who the fuck knows what wisdom can be mined herein by some A.I. engine around the corner, eh? Some sooperdooper A.I. that would rule the world would at least be able to buddy up with the likes of the sorry spiritual drunks almost passed out in the corners of Rick's Place. We'd be on our knees e-praying in about ten minutes flat once an A.I. god told us we were special. Who can't be easily pegged by their postings here? Everyone's put out all this data about themselves without even thinking twice about how it could all be put into a dossier with which A.I. can grok a person 100%. Or the NSA. No diff. I just wanted to and will continue to lay out my POV -- 29 years before the mast and the ship went down. And my story is true for about 95% of all the folks that once invested in the technique -- it just didn't pan out. It's not about me; it's about all the other me-types -- the universal-anyone-who-can-think-a-thought-can-do-it technique simply had no pizzazz and the audience evaporated. Ta ta and thanks for all the.you thought I'd say fish, right? You're mind readers! ! ! ! !
[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Your problem with the movement, Edg, is quite simple: you gave yourself away like a cheap tart and they fucked you. What else did you expect? This is a joke isn't it? Of course it is. The only other explanation would be that we got into a spiritual movement expecting it to develop consciousness and improve relationships in the manner that it claims, and yet we become so bitter at the reality that anyone who complains about the failure of the technique to produce what is claimed in the brochure must be an idiot to have expected it in the first place. And yet everyone keeps doing it and believing to the extent that they feel they have to defend it daily on the net. No that couldn't be the explanation, it must be a joke. I just got up, give me time to get up to speed Man, we've had some good stuff posted here lately. How is it that a C student like myself, was able to figure this out: that the whole spiritual game has always been, and always will, be about putting responsibility on oneself to either sink or swim, to know when to bite hard, and when to step back. If I had to venture a guess, I think it would be because, I always knew I had to keep moving forward. If I had a set back, Steve, keep moving forward Go figure. Damn, that's good! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No, I haven't approached my life in a very sensible way. After all, Maharishi told us all to take leave of our senses! Ha ha I laugh at my own joke, .. and you, you fuck. What have I done to you, SHITFORBRAINS, that you're attacking me personally? I don't know you; how in the fuck can you have an opinion about me of any worth? Get of that high horse. Ain't nobody here knows his/her next thought, and you're going to tell me what thoughts/feelings/emotions I have or will have? Fucking turd! ' Ain't no one getting off Earth with any clarity in their back pocket. We're all DUMMIES. We don't know jack shit about ALMOST EVERYTHING. And you're here fizzing like a wet firecracker at me? I've had my victories. I have a good life now. I struggle still with parts of me. I have NEVER been in a fist fight since I was 11 years old. I don't own a gun, and your speculations about me being some sort of danger to the community shows how fucking insane you are to be here with such obviously projected assertions. Here, have a big plate of steaming shit. Eat. It. I'm having such funzies todayI took myself off the leash to toss some shit at the fan here. In real life, I'm Walter Mitty with THE WORLD'S FASTEST TRIKKE. I'M SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF. Gawd, how can you guys not love me to pieces? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had naturally occurred. Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie going on. I wore the Vedic gemsall that. I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O. But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! ! Went to about six psychic types. So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my negativities. $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period thereall for naught. Fuck, I even let
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Not the kind of thing Bucky wants to hear, that the renegades are going great guns! This piece of Movement history [pt Mike, it's Revisionist History as Retold by Sal to his devoted listeners] to me shows just what a venal, spiteful piece of trash Marshy really was. His own greed caused the teachers to defect [Mike, try to stay with real-world facts. Makes life more sensible and not irrational] and he tried, stupidly to punish them by declaring that no one could teach TM in the UK - how could the idiot possibly think the ones who defected would pay any attention to his bs? The ones who got hurt were his loyal initiators. [Is this your testimony as a 'loyal initiator'? Or maybe something else?...I think...]When they saw what he was doing, the loyal ones should have followed their mates and everyone should have left[Is that what you did, as a loyal initiator or as a baker?]. How anyone can look at this level of grade school having a fit cause people won't gimme what I want on Marshy's part and still think he's some kind of saint is a testament to just how willing some people are to live in total denial of facts and live the bliss of illusion. [Yes Michael, you ARE THE BEST JUDGE OF WHETHER OTHERS ARE LIVING IN TOTAL DENIAL OF FACTS AND LIVING THE BLISS OF ILLUSION.] From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Sal, what became of the TM teachers who fragmented from the movement? Just wondering, they seemed organized and found some presentation independent of the Vlodrop movement. Do they still have a public presence or are they underground? -Buck They are doing very well indeed: Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Transcendental Meditation courses affordable for everyone with fees up to 50% lower than other TM courses in UK Europe View on www.meditationtrust.com http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Preview by Yahoo They teach a lot of people and hold courses, even teaching the siddhis. The TMO are seething about it and keep trying to get them legally banned but they don't have a case. I think that if the Scorpionland debacle was Marshy's only way of coping with the fact that people didn't like the devious and stupid way the movement was run then they were right to leave. Remember how it started, the price doubled at the same time that Marshy was ordering teachers to try and teach as many as possible. The renegade teachers were complaining that if - as they sincerely believed because they'd been told that by the Reesh himself - the world was in imminent danger the price should surely come down to get more people to learn to create the coherence to save the world. They were told that wasn't up for discussion, I know because I was on the conference call where they were told to keep ranks and not rock the boat. The whole thing was a continuation of years of mismanagement and they quit, taking a huge amount of business with them. Greed and inflexibility from the TMO was the cause of this, these people were devoted to the teaching and still are. I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Not the kind of thing Bucky wants to hear, that the renegades are going great guns! This piece of Movement history to me shows just what a venal, spiteful piece of trash Marshy really was. His own greed caused the teachers to defect and he tried, stupidly to punish them by declaring that no one could teach TM in the UK - how could the idiot possibly think the ones who defected would pay any attention to his bs? The ones who got hurt were his loyal initiators. When they saw what he was doing, the loyal ones should have followed their mates and everyone should have left. How anyone can look at this level of grade school having a fit cause people won't gimme what I want on Marshy's part and still think he's some kind of saint is a testament to just how willing some people are to live in total denial of facts and live the bliss of illusion. It was the rationalisations that got me baffled. They'd all sit around wondering why Marshy did it and come up with scenario's like He's trying to get rid of the deadwood in the movement so we can be better when it re-starts or Marshy sees natural laws at a deeper level than we can guess at so he must be right whatever he does. Bend over and take it in other words, and don't forget to say thankyou for sharing more profound knowledge with us. I know TM teachers who admit that half of their career has been trying to work out why Marshy did things. Occam's razor never occurred to them, everything had to somehow be filtered through the belief that he was always right. Kind of a lopsided way of looking at the world! Incredible ability to read minds there Sal. Didn't you promise to wake up a bit more before posting again? You'll never be Awake. Wake up! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Sal, what became of the TM teachers who fragmented from the movement? Just wondering, they seemed organized and found some presentation independent of the Vlodrop movement. Do they still have a public presence or are they underground? -Buck They are doing very well indeed: Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Transcendental Meditation courses affordable for everyone with fees up to 50% lower than other TM courses in UK Europe View on www.meditationtrust.com http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Preview by Yahoo They teach a lot of people and hold courses, even teaching the siddhis. The TMO are seething about it and keep trying to get them legally banned but they don't have a case. I think that if the Scorpionland debacle was Marshy's only way of coping with the fact that people didn't like the devious and stupid way the movement was run then they were right to leave. Remember how it started, the price doubled at the same time that Marshy was ordering teachers to try and teach as many as possible. The renegade teachers were complaining that if - as they sincerely believed because they'd been told that by the Reesh himself - the world was in imminent danger the price should surely come down to get more people to learn to create the coherence to save the world. They were told that wasn't up for discussion, I know because I was on the conference call where they were told to keep ranks and not rock the boat. The whole thing was a continuation of years of mismanagement and they quit, taking a huge amount of business with them. Greed and inflexibility from the TMO was the cause of this, these people were devoted to the teaching and still are. I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Edg, I just wanted to do a drive-by and say that I've been appreciating your recent rants. They've been very honest and very real and obviously far too real for many here. I haven't bothered to chime in with, Yeah, what he said... yet, but not because I haven't felt that. I just knew that the shaming thing would start and I didn't want to be even a peripheral part of another re-run of that silly soap opera, so I've been staying out of it. But you're a writer and we all know how writers need occasional feedback. So mine is Good stuff. Keep it up, Bro. Seconded with gusto, I've always liked Edg's style and passion. It's easy to forget that he lived it more than most of us and his opinions carry weight for that reason alone. From what he's described, I don't think that I'd like living the experience that Edg has experienced. Maybe he could have changed sumthin'? It's easy for certain others to try and dismiss it as all his own fault or taking it seriously even though they take it seriously themselves! Talk about cognitive dissonance in action! Falling down the rabbit hole one more time...Sal, reading minds again? Wake up! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : What the hell don't we understand about this isn't about us ? ? ? I'm not even a messenger; just a kibitzer in the crowd, and some of you want me shamed outta here or whatever -- how rare is the truth sought here when all of us are so vulnerable to being correctly dismissed as damaged goods? See someone's flaws and have at it hoss -- but don't call your lust to thrust a personality dynamic of a knower of reality. Geeze, learn a lesson from Maharishi here...at least he knew how to handle hostility coming from someone on the mike -- almost always graciously(I can think of a couple exceptions, but . . . ) It's not important if anyone here approves of any statement, or not. What's important is that THIS RECORD of the minds of a few survivors of the TMO be at least registered here. Over the years here, although I've changed my mind, yes I have, due to some of the arguments here, let's face it, this place is not about attempting to formulate statements upon which we all can agree. Instead, we get so much head bashing. Let this be on the record too sayeth moi -- let the whole messy-ness of it, the soul swampy steam coming off of it, let it all be recorded here. If I am a miscreant out to propagandize to a few minds here -- let it be recorded. This...all of thisdone by true believers lo these many decades. Hey it's sci-fi now but an actuality that's coming soon enough is that there's going to be a tech that will make use of all this jabbering of ours -- and who the fuck knows what wisdom can be mined herein by some A.I. engine around the corner, eh? Some sooperdooper A.I. that would rule the world would at least be able to buddy up with the likes of the sorry spiritual drunks almost passed out in the corners of Rick's Place. We'd be on our knees e-praying in about ten minutes flat once an A.I. god told us we were special. Who can't be easily pegged by their postings here? Everyone's put out all this data about themselves without even thinking twice about how it could all be put into a dossier with which A.I. can grok a person 100%. Or the NSA. No diff. I just wanted to and will continue to lay out my POV -- 29 years before the mast and the ship went down. And my story is true for about 95% of all the folks that once invested in the technique -- it just didn't pan out. It's not about me; it's about all the other me-types -- the universal-anyone-who-can-think-a-thought-can-do-it technique simply had no pizzazz and the audience evaporated. Ta ta and thanks for all the.you thought I'd say fish, right? You're mind readers! ! ! ! !
[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. Yes Fester, it is stupid to think that TM and all its sundry add-ons was going to work isn't it? And spending so much money on it too! I suppose you never believed a word of it You miss the point Sal. You just don't get what Feste is saying. I could tell you that it is a matter of personal responsibility, that you are born alone, that you die alone, and that you are ultimately the master of your own fate, but I don't think it would sink in. If you are looking for a hand out in this world, then yes, you are going to be disappointed, and somewhat bitter, as you appear to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had naturally occurred. Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie going on. I wore the Vedic gemsall that. I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O. But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! ! Went to about six psychic types. So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my negativities. $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period thereall for naught. Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his hand inside me. I had two different persons make strange sounds with their mouths -- special sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a relief, eh? Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen my son got cancer diagnosed the next week. We had gone to this nurse because that was her thang...spotting cancer. So I tried FFL. And now I iz saved. I have at least ten people here who are telling me if I make the least mistake. For free! How good is that!
[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Your problem with the movement, Edg, is quite simple: you gave yourself away like a cheap tart and they fucked you. What else did you expect? This is a joke isn't it? Of course it is. The only other explanation would be that we got into a spiritual movement expecting it to develop consciousness and improve relationships in the manner that it claims, and yet we become so bitter at the reality that anyone who complains about the failure of the technique to produce what is claimed in the brochure must be an idiot to have expected it in the first place. And yet everyone keeps doing it and believing to the extent that they feel they have to defend it daily on the net. No that couldn't be the explanation, it must be a joke. I just got up, give me time to get up to speed Man, we've had some good stuff posted here lately. How is it that a C student like myself, was able to figure this out: that the whole spiritual game has always been, and always will, be about putting responsibility on oneself to either sink or swim, to know when to bite hard, and when to step back. If I had to venture a guess, I think it would be because, I always knew I had to keep moving forward. If I had a set back, Steve, keep moving forward Go figure. Steve, Once again you have provided a very succinct insight that could be of benefit to many. Rather than blame Daddy or find that there's some cult that fucked them up...how about a little self-reflection? Try it boys. It could change the course of your life, in just one day. Damn, that's good! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No, I haven't approached my life in a very sensible way. After all, Maharishi told us all to take leave of our senses! Ha ha I laugh at my own joke, .. and you, you fuck. What have I done to you, SHITFORBRAINS, that you're attacking me personally? I don't know you; how in the fuck can you have an opinion about me of any worth? Get of that high horse. Ain't nobody here knows his/her next thought, and you're going to tell me what thoughts/feelings/emotions I have or will have? Fucking turd! ' Ain't no one getting off Earth with any clarity in their back pocket. We're all DUMMIES. We don't know jack shit about ALMOST EVERYTHING. And you're here fizzing like a wet firecracker at me? I've had my victories. I have a good life now. I struggle still with parts of me. I have NEVER been in a fist fight since I was 11 years old. I don't own a gun, and your speculations about me being some sort of danger to the community shows how fucking insane you are to be here with such obviously projected assertions. Here, have a big plate of steaming shit. Eat. It. I'm having such funzies todayI took myself off the leash to toss some shit at the fan here. In real life, I'm Walter Mitty with THE WORLD'S FASTEST TRIKKE. I'M SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF. Gawd, how can you guys not love me to pieces? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had naturally occurred. Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie going on. I wore the Vedic gemsall that. I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and knocked
[FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! and this is the evidence sited by someone who prides himself on the scientific method? I'm scratching my head here. (-; #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and hope they all vote a resounding Yes! and immediately outlaw the practice of TMSP and make it illegal to advertise TM in any way, shape or form. LOL, you really don't like it do you! Here's the news, TM is very popular in Glasgow and the teacher there makes a good living from it. Edinburgh TM are doing well and are building a vastu centre. There is already one of those in Aberdeen (I think) which is my ancestral home. I love Scotland too but I hope they vote No because the chaos for both countries will be amazing and we'd be stuck with the Tory scum forever. They want a decent welfare state but there's only 4 million people there which won't raise enough taxes to pay for it without the massive bonus they've been getting from the English tax payer, and without the pound they will be in trouble as the Eurozone looks pretty much finished as usual and are unlikely to want another broke country to bail out. If I lived there I would probably vote Yes though, just to not be ruled by from 700 miles away by the shower of bastards we've got at the moment. This profound wisdom and practical move will of course be followed by Ireland and Wales after they declare independence from the Isle of Edward Longshanks and of course David Lynch will be prevented from ever coming to any of the three new countries. If he sneaks in he will be arrested and incarcerated. Any and all TM owned properties will be nationalized, sold and the the proceeds given to citizens who paid various amounts of money to learn TM, TMSP, go on courses and so on. When this happens and the word goes out, let's see how many of the TM faithful will remain faithful and how many want to put in a claim and get that fat purse. All written with the knowledge of how much Buck and his frens on FFL will love the post. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 2:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Alright
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Unfortunately its not a joke - the person who wrote that is a fine example of the lack of decency the Movement churns out. I just love your serious tone Michael. It is always a hoot, (and hollow, to boot) From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Your problem with the movement, Edg, is quite simple: you gave yourself away like a cheap tart and they fucked you. What else did you expect? This is a joke isn't it? Of course it is. The only other explanation would be that we got into a spiritual movement expecting it to develop consciousness and improve relationships in the manner that it claims, and yet we become so bitter at the reality that anyone who complains about the failure of the technique to produce what is claimed in the brochure must be an idiot to have expected it in the first place. And yet everyone keeps doing it and believing to the extent that they feel they have to defend it daily on the net. No that couldn't be the explanation, it must be a joke. I just got up, give me time to get up to speed Damn, that's good! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No, I haven't approached my life in a very sensible way. After all, Maharishi told us all to take leave of our senses! Ha ha I laugh at my own joke, .. and you, you fuck. What have I done to you, SHITFORBRAINS, that you're attacking me personally? I don't know you; how in the fuck can you have an opinion about me of any worth? Get of that high horse. Ain't nobody here knows his/her next thought, and you're going to tell me what thoughts/feelings/emotions I have or will have? Fucking turd! ' Ain't no one getting off Earth with any clarity in their back pocket. We're all DUMMIES. We don't know jack shit about ALMOST EVERYTHING. And you're here fizzing like a wet firecracker at me? I've had my victories. I have a good life now. I struggle still with parts of me. I have NEVER been in a fist fight since I was 11 years old. I don't own a gun, and your speculations about me being some sort of danger to the community shows how fucking insane you are to be here with such obviously projected assertions. Here, have a big plate of steaming shit. Eat. It. I'm having such funzies todayI took myself off the leash to toss some shit at the fan here. In real life, I'm Walter Mitty with THE WORLD'S FASTEST TRIKKE. I'M SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF. Gawd, how can you guys not love me to pieces? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had naturally occurred. Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie going on. I wore the Vedic gemsall that. I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O. But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! ! Went to about six psychic types. So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my negativities. $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period thereall for naught. Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his hand inside me. I had two different
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[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. Yes Fester, it is stupid to think that TM and all its sundry add-ons was going to work isn't it? And spending so much money on it too! I suppose you never believed a word of it You miss the point Sal. You just don't get what Feste is saying. I could tell you that it is a matter of personal responsibility, that you are born alone, that you die alone, and that you are ultimately the master of your own fate And that, in a nutshell, is why people get involved with religious groups like TM that promise the world and yet deliver nothing. Maybe you missed the intro talk, maybe you never heard Marshy talking about enlightenment, maybe you never read the research about improved relationships and effortless problem solving. Life is Bliss, you heard that one at least? Maybe you wised up quicker than Edg did, good for you but you don't sound like a sceptic, you sound like someone who brought a car and found out it was rubbish but tells everyone it's great apart from the fact it was rubbish to start with. Which one is it? but I don't think it would sink in. If you are looking for a hand out in this world, then yes, you are going to be disappointed, and somewhat bitter, as you appear to be. It's easier to think that about me than realise the contradictions inherent in what you are saying. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had naturally occurred. Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie going on. I wore the Vedic gemsall that. I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O. But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! ! Went to about six psychic types. So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my negativities. $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period thereall for naught. Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his hand inside me. I had two different persons make strange sounds with their mouths -- special sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a relief, eh? Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen my son got cancer diagnosed the next week. We had gone to this nurse because that was her thang...spotting cancer. So I tried FFL. And now I iz saved. I have at least ten people here who are telling me if I make the least mistake. For free! How good is that!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
Steve and Dan, I think you guys have hit the nail on the head with this responsibility angle. But of course, that angle only makes the angry people angrier! I feel for them because I think they're mainly angry at themselves. I once said about a poster here that it would be great if she would use her incredible skills to take on Monsanto, for example. Same with Edg who is an amazing writer imho. Not necessarily Monsanto, but for God sake's man, use your writing gift to end world hunger! OTHO I realize that we all must start with our own corner of the world. But what is really our own corner of the world? Isn't it our own stuff? Ultimately, we gotta be the change we want to see. In my experience, this is the ultimate spiritual practice. On Saturday, September 13, 2014 6:58 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Your problem with the movement, Edg, is quite simple: you gave yourself away like a cheap tart and they fucked you. What else did you expect? This is a joke isn't it? Of course it is. The only other explanation would be that we got into a spiritual movement expecting it to develop consciousness and improve relationships in the manner that it claims, and yet we become so bitter at the reality that anyone who complains about the failure of the technique to produce what is claimed in the brochure must be an idiot to have expected it in the first place. And yet everyone keeps doing it and believing to the extent that they feel they have to defend it daily on the net. No that couldn't be the explanation, it must be a joke. I just got up, give me time to get up to speed Man, we've had some good stuff posted here lately. How is it that a C student like myself, was able to figure this out: that the whole spiritual game has always been, and always will, be about putting responsibility on oneself to either sink or swim, to know when to bite hard, and when to step back. If I had to venture a guess, I think it would be because, I always knew I had to keep moving forward. If I had a set back, Steve, keep moving forward Go figure. Steve, Once again you have provided a very succinct insight that could be of benefit to many. Rather than blame Daddy or find that there's some cult that fucked them up...how about a little self-reflection? Try it boys. It could change the course of your life, in just one day. Damn, that's good! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No, I haven't approached my life in a very sensible way. After all, Maharishi told us all to take leave of our senses! Ha ha I laugh at my own joke, .. and you, you fuck. What have I done to you, SHITFORBRAINS, that you're attacking me personally? I don't know you; how in the fuck can you have an opinion about me of any worth? Get of that high horse. Ain't nobody here knows his/her next thought, and you're going to tell me what thoughts/feelings/emotions I have or will have? Fucking turd! ' Ain't no one getting off Earth with any clarity in their back pocket. We're all DUMMIES. We don't know jack shit about ALMOST EVERYTHING. And you're here fizzing like a wet firecracker at me? I've had my victories. I have a good life now. I struggle still with parts of me. I have NEVER been in a fist fight since I was 11 years old. I don't own a gun, and your speculations about me being some sort of danger to the community shows how fucking insane you are to be here with such obviously projected assertions. Here, have a big plate of steaming shit. Eat. It. I'm having such funzies todayI took myself off the leash to toss some shit at the fan here. In real life, I'm Walter Mitty with THE WORLD'S FASTEST TRIKKE. I'M SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF. Gawd, how can you guys not love me to pieces? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not
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[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Steve, Once again you have provided a very succinct insight that could be of benefit to many. Rather than blame Daddy or find that there's some cult that fucked them up...how about a little self-reflection? Try it boys. It could change the course of your life, in just one day. What don't they understand about: Take responsibility for your own life. How do you live day to day without this.? Okay, and this is sad, you live in the past, and play the blame game. I was owed this, I was owed that pity,pity. Damn, that's good! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No, I haven't approached my life in a very sensible way. After all, Maharishi told us all to take leave of our senses! Ha ha I laugh at my own joke, .. and you, you fuck. What have I done to you, SHITFORBRAINS, that you're attacking me personally? I don't know you; how in the fuck can you have an opinion about me of any worth? Get of that high horse. Ain't nobody here knows his/her next thought, and you're going to tell me what thoughts/feelings/emotions I have or will have? Fucking turd! ' Ain't no one getting off Earth with any clarity in their back pocket. We're all DUMMIES. We don't know jack shit about ALMOST EVERYTHING. And you're here fizzing like a wet firecracker at me? I've had my victories. I have a good life now. I struggle still with parts of me. I have NEVER been in a fist fight since I was 11 years old. I don't own a gun, and your speculations about me being some sort of danger to the community shows how fucking insane you are to be here with such obviously projected assertions. Here, have a big plate of steaming shit. Eat. It. I'm having such funzies todayI took myself off the leash to toss some shit at the fan here. In real life, I'm Walter Mitty with THE WORLD'S FASTEST TRIKKE. I'M SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF. Gawd, how can you guys not love me to pieces? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had naturally occurred. Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie going on. I wore the Vedic gemsall that. I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O. But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! ! Went to about six psychic types. So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my negativities. $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period thereall for naught. Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his hand inside me. I had two different persons make strange sounds with their mouths -- special sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a relief, eh? Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen my son got cancer diagnosed the next week. We had gone to this nurse because that was her thang...spotting cancer. So I tried FFL. And now I iz saved. I have at least ten people here who are telling me if I make the least mistake. For free! How good is that!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve and Dan, I think you guys have hit the nail on the head with this responsibility angle. But of course, that angle only makes the angry people angrier! I feel for them because I think they're mainly angry at themselves. I once said about a poster here that it would be great if she would use her incredible skills to take on Monsanto, for example. Same with Edg who is an amazing writer imho. Not necessarily Monsanto, but for God sake's man, use your writing gift to end world hunger! OTHO I realize that we all must start with our own corner of the world. But what is really our own corner of the world? Isn't it our own stuff? Ultimately, we gotta be the change we want to see. In my experience, this is the ultimate spiritual practice. Dearest Share, I have noticed for all the talk of Jerry Jarvis here in Fairfieldlife these last few days, there was not one mention of the guidance he provided us as we Westerners set out on this self-development project. It was Jerry who constantly reminded us that it was all up to us individually. That no one could do that for us. That was important for young people to hear. That was our strength. But the discussions here lately are imaginings of how Jerry would answer Barry's Rediculous Question. In short, he won't. On Saturday, September 13, 2014 6:58 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Your problem with the movement, Edg, is quite simple: you gave yourself away like a cheap tart and they fucked you. What else did you expect? This is a joke isn't it? Of course it is. The only other explanation would be that we got into a spiritual movement expecting it to develop consciousness and improve relationships in the manner that it claims, and yet we become so bitter at the reality that anyone who complains about the failure of the technique to produce what is claimed in the brochure must be an idiot to have expected it in the first place. And yet everyone keeps doing it and believing to the extent that they feel they have to defend it daily on the net. No that couldn't be the explanation, it must be a joke. I just got up, give me time to get up to speed Man, we've had some good stuff posted here lately. How is it that a C student like myself, was able to figure this out: that the whole spiritual game has always been, and always will, be about putting responsibility on oneself to either sink or swim, to know when to bite hard, and when to step back. If I had to venture a guess, I think it would be because, I always knew I had to keep moving forward. If I had a set back, Steve, keep moving forward Go figure. Steve, Once again you have provided a very succinct insight that could be of benefit to many. Rather than blame Daddy or find that there's some cult that fucked them up...how about a little self-reflection? Try it boys. It could change the course of your life, in just one day. Damn, that's good! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No, I haven't approached my life in a very sensible way. After all, Maharishi told us all to take leave of our senses! Ha ha I laugh at my own joke, .. and you, you fuck. What have I done to you, SHITFORBRAINS, that you're attacking me personally? I don't know you; how in the fuck can you have an opinion about me of any worth? Get of that high horse. Ain't nobody here knows his/her next thought, and you're going to tell me what thoughts/feelings/emotions I have or will have? Fucking turd! ' Ain't no one getting off Earth with any clarity in their back pocket. We're all DUMMIES. We don't know jack shit about ALMOST EVERYTHING. And you're here fizzing like a wet firecracker at me? I've had my victories. I have a good life now. I struggle still with parts of me. I have NEVER been in a fist fight since I was 11 years old. I don't own a gun, and your speculations about me being some sort of danger to the community shows how fucking insane you are to be here with such obviously projected assertions. Here, have a big plate of steaming shit. Eat. It. I'm having such funzies todayI took myself off the leash to toss some shit at the fan here. In real life, I'm Walter Mitty with THE WORLD'S FASTEST TRIKKE. I'M SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF. Gawd, how can you guys not love me to pieces? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! and this is the evidence sited by someone who prides himself on the scientific method? Sorry but I wasn't there to record the brainwaves of the people who were asking my friend about brainwashing in the TMO. It wouldn't have made much difference though because matters of opinion are unlikely to have a radically different EEG signature unless there is high emotions at stake. So I chose an amusing coda to the anecdote instead. I thought it was amusing anyway, but you can't please everyone ;-) I'm scratching my head here. (-; I'll expand on it, just for you. My friend still does the TMSP but has sympathy for the renegade teachers as had known them for years before them leaving the TMO. But being asked about brainwashing in the TMO surprised him as he thinks the opposite and wondered what they had been told to think it in the first place. My little joke is that had he read the output here most days he might wonder at the sanity of long term meditators a bit more and maybe question the effects of exposure to the TM belief system. There you go, you can stop scratching your head now... #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and hope they all vote a resounding Yes! and immediately outlaw the practice of TMSP and make it illegal to advertise TM in any way, shape or form. LOL, you really don't like it do you! Here's the news, TM is very popular in Glasgow and the teacher there makes a good living from it. Edinburgh TM are doing well and are building a vastu centre. There is already one of those in Aberdeen (I think) which is my ancestral home. I love Scotland too but I hope they vote No because the chaos for both countries will be amazing and we'd be stuck with the Tory scum forever. They want a decent welfare state but there's only 4 million people there which won't raise enough taxes to pay for it without the massive bonus they've been getting from the English tax payer, and without the pound they will be in trouble as the Eurozone looks pretty much finished as usual and are unlikely to want another broke country to bail out. If I lived there I would probably vote Yes though, just to not be ruled by from 700 miles
[FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
Sal, you know well this is silly. Maharishi dropped England because of the authrocities they did in the Empire, India included. Haven't you heard the story of Guru Dev meeting the english tiger-hunter in the Indian jungle ? Do google it. Maharishi was most generous and tried to uplift every nation but having lived with the stories of India being occupied by hooligans from that so-called Kingdom, somewhere along the line He just had enough of you lot. Regarding the future, you can be lucky to have seers like Benjamin Creme blessing your country, and Maitrya Himself is supposed to live in London, at least for some time, so it's not all bleak. But do watch out for the effect and karma of raping other nations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! and this is the evidence sited by someone who prides himself on the scientific method? I'm scratching my head here. (-; #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and hope they all vote a resounding Yes! and immediately outlaw the practice of TMSP and make it illegal to advertise TM in any way, shape or form. LOL, you really don't like it do you! Here's the news, TM is very popular in Glasgow and the teacher there makes a good living from it. Edinburgh TM are doing well and are building a vastu centre. There is already one of those in Aberdeen (I think) which is my ancestral home. I love Scotland too but I hope they vote No because the chaos for both countries will be amazing and we'd be stuck with the Tory scum forever. They want a decent welfare state but there's only 4 million people there which won't raise enough taxes to pay for it without the massive bonus they've been getting from the English tax payer, and without the pound they will be in trouble as the Eurozone looks pretty much finished as usual and are unlikely to want another broke country to bail out. If I lived there I would probably vote Yes though, just to not be ruled by from 700 miles away by the shower of bastards we've got at the moment. This profound wisdom and practical move will of course be followed by Ireland and Wales after they declare independence from the Isle of Edward Longshanks and of course David Lynch will be prevented from ever coming
[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal:And that, in a nutshell, is why people get involved with religious groups like TM that promise the world and yet deliver nothing. Maybe you missed the intro talk, maybe you never heard Marshy talking about enlightenment, maybe you never read the research about improved relationships and effortless problem solving. Life is Bliss, you heard that one at least? Ray: I don't mean to be rude Sal, but what are you talking about? Or, maybe I should thank you for telling me that I received nothing from my involvement in TM. That is what your are saying right? You are describing for me what I experienced, what I got from my time there? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Sal: Maybe you wised up quicker than Edg did, good for you but you don't sound like a sceptic, you sound like someone who brought a car and found out it was rubbish but tells everyone it's great apart from the fact it was rubbish to start with. Ray: Skewed is what your perspective is here, Sal. If someone asked me now if I would recommend TM, I would say, yes it is beneficial. You can use it as relaxation technique, or you can use it as step on a spiritual journey. As in any journey, stay awake. Would I have pause about a learning fee of over $1,000.00? Yes, I would. I would tell them to work out a financial arrangement, which I know is offered. Which one is it? You can speak for yourself Sal, but evidently the practice of TM is still part of your regimen, if not exclusively. It's easier to think that about me than realise the contradictions inherent in what you are saying. RIght, and fortunately you are the one with clear, flawless insight about things. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had naturally occurred. Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie going on. I wore the Vedic gemsall that. I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O. But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! ! Went to about six psychic types. So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my negativities. $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period thereall for naught. Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his hand inside me. I had two different persons make strange sounds with their mouths -- special sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a relief, eh? Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen my son got cancer diagnosed the next week. We had gone to this nurse because that was her thang...spotting cancer. So I tried FFL. And now I iz saved. I have at least ten people here who are telling me if I make the least mistake. For free! How good is that!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There you go, you can stop scratching your head now... Okay, thank you. #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and hope they all vote a resounding Yes! and immediately outlaw the practice of TMSP and make it illegal to advertise TM in any way, shape or form. LOL, you really don't like it do you! Here's the news, TM is very popular in Glasgow and the teacher there makes a good living from it. Edinburgh TM are doing well and are building a vastu centre. There is already one of those in Aberdeen (I think) which is my ancestral home. I love Scotland too but I hope they vote No because the chaos for both countries will be amazing and we'd be stuck with the Tory scum forever. They want a decent welfare state but there's only 4 million people there which won't raise enough taxes to pay for it without the massive bonus they've been getting from the English tax payer, and without the pound they will be in trouble as the Eurozone looks pretty much finished as usual and are unlikely to want another broke country to bail out. If I lived there I would probably vote Yes though, just to not be ruled by from 700 miles away by the shower of bastards we've got at the moment. This profound wisdom and practical move will of course be followed by Ireland and Wales after they declare independence from the Isle of Edward Longshanks and of course David Lynch will be prevented from ever coming to any of the three new countries. If he sneaks in he will be arrested and incarcerated. Any and all TM owned properties will be nationalized, sold and the the proceeds given to citizens who paid various amounts of money to learn TM, TMSP, go on courses and so on. When this happens and the word goes out, let's see how many of the TM faithful will remain faithful and how many want to put in a claim and get that fat purse. All written with the knowledge of how much Buck and his frens on FFL will love the post. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 2:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Alright Sal, we all know that in a few days the Scots will vote on whether or not to form their own country. Now forget all the nonsense about whether the country will prosper by itself. The real question is: if the Scots create an independent country, will they no longer be
[FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal, you know well this is silly. Maharishi dropped England because of the authrocities they did in the Empire, India included. Haven't you heard the story of Guru Dev meeting the english tiger-hunter in the Indian jungle ? Do google it. I tried and drew a blank. Can you do it? Maharishi was most generous and tried to uplift every nation but having lived with the stories of India being occupied by hooligans from that so-called Kingdom, somewhere along the line He just had enough of you lot. Regarding the future, you can be lucky to have seers like Benjamin Creme blessing your country, and Maitrya Himself is supposed to live in London, at least for some time, so it's not all bleak. But do watch out for the effect and karma of raping other nations. We certainly feel lucky to have Benjamin Creme as a replacement for Marshy and if Maitreya ever actually shows his face we'll be happier still ;-) Thanks for underlining my point about rationalising by the way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! and this is the evidence sited by someone who prides himself on the scientific method? I'm scratching my head here. (-; #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and hope they all vote a resounding Yes! and immediately outlaw the practice of TMSP and make it illegal to advertise TM in any way, shape or form. LOL, you really don't like it do you! Here's the news, TM is very popular in Glasgow and the teacher there makes a good living from it. Edinburgh TM are doing well and are building a vastu centre. There is already one of those in Aberdeen (I think) which is my ancestral home. I love Scotland too but I hope they vote No because the chaos for both countries will be amazing and we'd be stuck with the Tory scum forever. They want a decent welfare state but there's only 4 million people there which won't raise enough taxes to pay for it without the massive bonus they've been getting from the English tax payer, and without the pound they will be in trouble as the Eurozone looks pretty much finished as usual and are unlikely to want another broke country to bail out. If I lived there I would
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
any idiot who labels Sal's post as revisionist history is living in denialof the facts. From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Not the kind of thing Bucky wants to hear, that the renegades are going great guns! This piece of Movement history [pt Mike, it's Revisionist History as Retold by Sal to his devoted listeners] to me shows just what a venal, spiteful piece of trash Marshy really was. His own greed caused the teachers to defect [Mike, try to stay with real-world facts. Makes life more sensible and not irrational] and he tried, stupidly to punish them by declaring that no one could teach TM in the UK - how could the idiot possibly think the ones who defected would pay any attention to his bs? The ones who got hurt were his loyal initiators. [Is this your testimony as a 'loyal initiator'? Or maybe something else?...I think...]When they saw what he was doing, the loyal ones should have followed their mates and everyone should have left[Is that what you did, as a loyal initiator or as a baker?]. How anyone can look at this level of grade school having a fit cause people won't gimme what I want on Marshy's part and still think he's some kind of saint is a testament to just how willing some people are to live in total denial of facts and live the bliss of illusion. [Yes Michael, you ARE THE BEST JUDGE OF WHETHER OTHERS ARE LIVING IN TOTAL DENIAL OF FACTS AND LIVING THE BLISS OF ILLUSION.] From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Sal, what became of the TM teachers who fragmented from the movement? Just wondering, they seemed organized and found some presentation independent of the Vlodrop movement. Do they still have a public presence or are they underground? -Buck They are doing very well indeed: Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust Transcendental Meditation courses affordable for everyone with fees up to 50% lower than other TM courses in UK Europe View on www.meditationtrust.comPreview by Yahoo They teach a lot of people and hold courses, even teaching the siddhis. The TMO are seething about it and keep trying to get them legally banned but they don't have a case. I think that if the Scorpionland debacle was Marshy's only way of coping with the fact that people didn't like the devious and stupid way the movement was run then they were right to leave. Remember how it started, the price doubled at the same time that Marshy was ordering teachers to try and teach as many as possible. The renegade teachers were complaining that if - as they sincerely believed because they'd been told that by the Reesh himself - the world was in imminent danger the price should surely come down to get more people to learn to create the coherence to save the world. They were told that wasn't up for discussion, I know because I was on the conference call where they were told to keep ranks and not rock the boat. The whole thing was a continuation of years of mismanagement and they quit, taking a huge amount of business with them. Greed and inflexibility from the TMO was the cause of this, these people were devoted to the teaching and still are. I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions.Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
You shouldn't be that stupid but apparently you are - how is expecting someone to be honest, keep their word and not screw you over by lying and committing fraud asking for a handout? Like most TM fanatics you love to blame those who realize their were defrauded on many levels, just like the Movement loves to blame people who commit suicide by claiming they weren't meditating properly, were off the program or had some underlying mental condition that was there, unseen for decades till then killed themselves. Blame the victim, not the huckster nor his snake oil. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 7:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. Yes Fester, it is stupid to think that TM and all its sundry add-ons was going to work isn't it? And spending so much money on it too! I suppose you never believed a word of it You miss the point Sal. You just don't get what Feste is saying. I could tell you that it is a matter of personal responsibility, that you are born alone, that you die alone, and that you are ultimately the master of your own fate, but I don't think it would sink in. If you are looking for a hand out in this world, then yes, you are going to be disappointed, and somewhat bitter, as you appear to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had naturally occurred. Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie going on. I wore the Vedic gemsall that. I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O. But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! ! Went to about six psychic types. So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my negativities. $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period thereall for naught. Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his hand inside me. I had two different persons make strange sounds with their mouths -- special sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a relief, eh? Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen my son got cancer diagnosed the next week. We had gone to this nurse because that was her thang...spotting cancer. So I tried FFL. And now I iz saved. I have at least ten people here who are telling me if I make the least mistake. For free! How good is that!
Re: [FairfieldLife] My anger is my proof
On 9/12/2014 2:10 PM, Duveyoung wrote: Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence. How would a poor guy sleeping on the floor at a TM Center afford an eight month TTC, many ATRs, courses at MUM, and three kids in MSAE all their lives? This might even surpass the donation record set by Barry! At one time, I considered signing up for a TTC until I found out how much it would cost and how long it would take. So, I finished school instead and got a job working to raise a family. That way, I had plenty of time to read books about Advaita. Eight months of teacher training. 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome. 2000 initiations 3% of Napa taught Many ATRs, many advance techniques Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep the center open. Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF from 1981 to 1999. Kids in MSAE all their lives. AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE. Where's the beef? We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION. I got bupkis.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
On 9/12/2014 10:30 PM, Duveyoung wrote: What the hell don't we understand about this isn't about us ? ? ? I'm not even a messenger; just a kibitzer in the crowd, and some of you want me shamed outta here or whatever -- how rare is the truth sought here when all of us are so vulnerable to being correctly dismissed as damaged goods? See someone's flaws and have at it hoss -- but don't call your lust to thrust a personality dynamic of a knower of reality. Geeze, learn a lesson from Maharishi here...at least he knew how to handle hostility coming from someone on the mike -- almost always graciously(I can think of a couple exceptions, but . . . ) It's not important if anyone here approves of any statement, or not. What's important is that THIS RECORD of the minds of a few survivors of the TMO be at least registered here. Over the years here, although I've changed my mind, yes I have, due to some of the arguments here, let's face it, this place is not about attempting to formulate statements upon which we all can agree. Instead, we get so much head bashing. Let this be on the record too sayeth moi -- let the whole messy-ness of it, the soul swampy steam coming off of it, let it all be recorded here. If I am a miscreant out to propagandize to a few minds here -- let it be recorded. This...all of thisdone by true believers lo these many decades. Hey it's sci-fi now but an actuality that's coming soon enough is that there's going to be a tech that will make use of all this jabbering of ours -- and who the fuck knows what wisdom can be mined herein by some A.I. engine around the corner, eh? Some sooperdooper A.I. that would rule the world would at least be able to buddy up with the likes of the sorry spiritual drunks almost passed out in the corners of Rick's Place. We'd be on our knees e-praying in about ten minutes flat once an A.I. god told us we were special. Who can't be easily pegged by their postings here? Everyone's put out all this data about themselves without even thinking twice about how it could all be put into a dossier with which A.I. can grok a person 100%. Or the NSA. No diff. I just wanted to and will continue to lay out my POV -- 29 years before the mast and the ship went down. And my story is true for about 95% of all the folks that once invested in the technique -- it just didn't pan out. Selling non-sense gibberish mantras and snake-oil for money is probably better than panhandling. According to MMY /There's no money in teaching TM./ / /'We Will Always Live in Beverly Hills: Growing Up Crazy in Hollywood' by Ned Wynn William Morrow, 1990 p. 89 http://tinyurl.com/offvq6t It's not about me; it's about all the other me-types -- the universal-anyone-who-can-think-a-thought-can-do-it technique simply had no pizzazz and the audience evaporated. Ta ta and thanks for all the.you thought I'd say fish, right? You're mind readers! ! ! ! !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
You, a German talking about raping other nations? You are beyond help. Marshy did exactly what Sal says he did with the Scorpion bullshit. His excuse was Tony Blair's support of America's war in Iraq - why the hell didn't he excommunicate America? You are pitiful. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 8:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK Sal, you know well this is silly. Maharishi dropped England because of the authrocities they did in the Empire, India included. Haven't you heard the story of Guru Dev meeting the english tiger-hunter in the Indian jungle ? Do google it. Maharishi was most generous and tried to uplift every nation but having lived with the stories of India being occupied by hooligans from that so-called Kingdom, somewhere along the line He just had enough of you lot. Regarding the future, you can be lucky to have seers like Benjamin Creme blessing your country, and Maitrya Himself is supposed to live in London, at least for some time, so it's not all bleak. But do watch out for the effect and karma of raping other nations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! and this is the evidence sited by someone who prides himself on the scientific method? I'm scratching my head here. (-; #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions.Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and hope they all vote a resounding Yes! and immediately outlaw the practice of TMSP and make it illegal to advertise TM in any way, shape or form. LOL, you really don't like it do you! Here's the news, TM is very popular in Glasgow and the teacher there makes a good living from it. Edinburgh TM are doing well and are building a vastu centre. There is already one of those in Aberdeen (I think) which is my ancestral home. I love Scotland too but I hope they vote No because the chaos for both countries will be amazing and we'd be stuck with the Tory scum forever. They want a decent welfare state but there's only 4 million people there which won't raise enough taxes to pay for it without the massive bonus they've been getting from the English tax payer, and without the pound they will be in trouble as the Eurozone looks pretty much finished as
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
Nabby doesn't rationalize - he fantasizes and dreams of an Aryan Vedic society where everyone goosesteps to the yagya/jyotish/TM is Supreme tune. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 8:31 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal, you know well this is silly. Maharishi dropped England because of the authrocities they did in the Empire, India included. Haven't you heard the story of Guru Dev meeting the english tiger-hunter in the Indian jungle ? Do google it. I tried and drew a blank. Can you do it? Maharishi was most generous and tried to uplift every nation but having lived with the stories of India being occupied by hooligans from that so-called Kingdom, somewhere along the line He just had enough of you lot. Regarding the future, you can be lucky to have seers like Benjamin Creme blessing your country, and Maitrya Himself is supposed to live in London, at least for some time, so it's not all bleak. But do watch out for the effect and karma of raping other nations. We certainly feel lucky to have Benjamin Creme as a replacement for Marshy and if Maitreya ever actually shows his face we'll be happier still ;-) Thanks for underlining my point about rationalising by the way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! and this is the evidence sited by someone who prides himself on the scientific method? I'm scratching my head here. (-; #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions.Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and hope they all vote a resounding Yes! and immediately outlaw the practice of TMSP and make it illegal to advertise TM in any way, shape or form. LOL, you really don't like it do you! Here's the news, TM is very popular in Glasgow and the teacher there makes a good living from it. Edinburgh TM are doing well and are building a vastu centre. There is already one of those in Aberdeen (I think) which is my ancestral home. I love Scotland too but I hope they vote No because the chaos for both countries will be amazing and we'd be stuck with the Tory scum forever. They want a decent welfare state but there's only 4 million people there which won't
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Great Fairfieldlife Posting Race
On 9/12/2014 7:03 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: just checking... If I reply to every one of Richard's Posts, and then arbitrarily pick to reply to a few other people's posts, and start some old Topics, and then just hit reply without writing anything... Almost anything you post, empty or not, would be fine by me, Jim. At least we would know that you are alive and able to read a cathode ray tube. We don't know what happened to Judy but apparently Dr. Pete is still alive on Facebook. Apparently John Manning has gone missing. ..do I win? Strategy check for mid-point assessment. Any other things I should Post about? Anyone?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book
On 9/13/2014 12:28 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *From:* anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I've been working on taxes today and had to delay continuing with the book, but the clarity is welcome after the lax mental sprawl that has become FFL of late. Harris really has a gift for organising material. If you have gotten to the part in the 'self' section about using a transporter, I presented this argument to an initiator some years ago, and the response was, 'No I would not go into such a device'. Perhaps you could review the book here on FFL, not that the most of the current crowd has much capacity for grasping the arguments. Most of the current crowd doesn't have the attention span and intellect to read a comic book, much less something like this. I'll pass. :-) Besides, you know they'd never read it, because they'd be terrified of catching atheist cooties and finding out how mindfulness really works. :-) Translation: /I read a few paragraphs standing at a book-stall in Amsterdam but I couldn't afford to buy a copy so I'll just fake reading it - nobody on FFL will know the difference and Judy is gone./
[FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal, you know well this is silly. Maharishi dropped England because of the authrocities they did in the Empire, India included. Haven't you heard the story of Guru Dev meeting the english tiger-hunter in the Indian jungle ? Do google it. Maharishi was most generous and tried to uplift every nation but having lived with the stories of India being occupied by hooligans from that so-called Kingdom, somewhere along the line He just had enough of you lot. Regarding the future, you can be lucky to have seers like Benjamin Creme blessing your country, and Maitrya Himself is supposed to live in London, at least for some time, so it's not all bleak. But do watch out for the effect and karma of raping other nations. --- Just as Sal knows the true story of England and TM, Rick Archer likes to twist real-life facts to fit his personal (but so obvious) agenda. When Rick posted the Topic: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishihe chose to excerpt a very controversial section. He heated things up with his introductory remarks: In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following... Now Rick knows as well as I that this publication was not written in Maharishi's words. He know that Purusha often creates publications for the knowledge to be offered. He knows that The Appendices contain incredible wisdom. Yet he throws this to the bewildered to get them hungry. I know his agenda. Even if he doesn't completely understand it himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! and this is the evidence sited by someone who prides himself on the scientific method? I'm scratching my head here. (-; #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and hope they all vote a resounding Yes! and immediately outlaw the practice of TMSP and make it illegal to advertise TM in any way, shape or form. LOL, you really don't like it do you! Here's the news, TM is very popular in Glasgow and the teacher there makes a good living from it. Edinburgh TM are doing well and are building a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Testing number 5!
It is called Kurma-nadi (tortoise tube) based upon the physically observable similarities. That is the method the ancients used so they could make a visual image-connection obvious to the common yogin. That way the yogin would understand what was being described. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister@... wrote : In my set, sidhi number 5 is the one that in Sanskrit goes like this: kuurma-naaDyaaM sthairyam. Some translations: Sutra III.31 कूर्मनाड्यां स्थैर्यम्॥३१॥ [HA]: Calmness Is Attained By Samyama On The B.. T [IT]: (32): (By performing Samyama) on the Kurma-nadi steadiness. [VH]: On the tortoise duct (tortoise), steadiness. [BM]: From perfect discipline of the “tortoise vein,” one’s being becomes steady. [SS]: (32): By samyama on the kurma nadi (a subtle tortoise-shaped tube located below the throat), motionless in the meditative posture is achieved. [SP]: (32) By making samyama on the tube within the chest, one acquires absolute motionlessness. [SV]: (32): On the nerve called Kurma (comes) fixity of the body. Anyone tested whether one can become motionless practising especially this TM-sidhi?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : any idiot who labels Sal's post as revisionist history is living in denialof the facts. Keep treating Sal's posts as facts. Then you can be in Dave's spot some day. He's trying to find his way out, as you try to find your way in. You have seen your future and it doesn't work. Try something different. From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Not the kind of thing Bucky wants to hear, that the renegades are going great guns! This piece of Movement history [pt Mike, it's Revisionist History as Retold by Sal to his devoted listeners] to me shows just what a venal, spiteful piece of trash Marshy really was. His own greed caused the teachers to defect [Mike, try to stay with real-world facts. Makes life more sensible and not irrational] and he tried, stupidly to punish them by declaring that no one could teach TM in the UK - how could the idiot possibly think the ones who defected would pay any attention to his bs? The ones who got hurt were his loyal initiators. [Is this your testimony as a 'loyal initiator'? Or maybe something else?...I think...]When they saw what he was doing, the loyal ones should have followed their mates and everyone should have left[Is that what you did, as a loyal initiator or as a baker?]. How anyone can look at this level of grade school having a fit cause people won't gimme what I want on Marshy's part and still think he's some kind of saint is a testament to just how willing some people are to live in total denial of facts and live the bliss of illusion. [Yes Michael, you ARE THE BEST JUDGE OF WHETHER OTHERS ARE LIVING IN TOTAL DENIAL OF FACTS AND LIVING THE BLISS OF ILLUSION.] From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Sal, what became of the TM teachers who fragmented from the movement? Just wondering, they seemed organized and found some presentation independent of the Vlodrop movement. Do they still have a public presence or are they underground? -Buck They are doing very well indeed: Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Transcendental Meditation courses affordable for everyone with fees up to 50% lower than other TM courses in UK Europe View on www.meditationtrust.com http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Preview by Yahoo They teach a lot of people and hold courses, even teaching the siddhis. The TMO are seething about it and keep trying to get them legally banned but they don't have a case. I think that if the Scorpionland debacle was Marshy's only way of coping with the fact that people didn't like the devious and stupid way the movement was run then they were right to leave. Remember how it started, the price doubled at the same time that Marshy was ordering teachers to try and teach as many as possible. The renegade teachers were complaining that if - as they sincerely believed because they'd been told that by the Reesh himself - the world was in imminent danger the price should surely come down to get more people to learn to create the coherence to save the world. They were told that wasn't up for discussion, I know because I was on the conference call where they were told to keep ranks and not rock the boat. The whole thing was a continuation of years of mismanagement and they quit, taking a huge amount of business with them. Greed and inflexibility from the TMO was the cause of this, these people were devoted to the teaching and still are. I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I
Re: [FairfieldLife] My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/12/2014 2:10 PM, Duveyoung wrote: Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence. How would a poor guy sleeping on the floor at a TM Center afford an eight month TTC, many ATRs, courses at MUM, and three kids in MSAE all their lives? This might even surpass the donation record set by Barry! At one time, I considered signing up for a TTC until I found out how much it would cost and how long it would take. So, I finished school instead and got a job working to raise a family. That way, I had plenty of time to read books about Advaita. How are these activities mutually exclusive? Eight months of teacher training. 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome. 2000 initiations 3% of Napa taught Many ATRs, many advance techniques Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep the center open. Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF from 1981 to 1999. Kids in MSAE all their lives. AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE. Where's the beef? We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION. I got bupkis.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
You're a funny fellow Sal, Benjamin Creme as a replacement for Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ? Me thinks you have some serious reading to update your knowledge to do seeming+ somewhat out of it. And while your're at it do check your spelling. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal, you know well this is silly. Maharishi dropped England because of the authrocities they did in the Empire, India included. Haven't you heard the story of Guru Dev meeting the english tiger-hunter in the Indian jungle ? Do google it. I tried and drew a blank. Can you do it? Maharishi was most generous and tried to uplift every nation but having lived with the stories of India being occupied by hooligans from that so-called Kingdom, somewhere along the line He just had enough of you lot. Regarding the future, you can be lucky to have seers like Benjamin Creme blessing your country, and Maitrya Himself is supposed to live in London, at least for some time, so it's not all bleak. But do watch out for the effect and karma of raping other nations. We certainly feel lucky to have Benjamin Creme as a replacement for Marshy and if Maitreya ever actually shows his face we'll be happier still ;-) Thanks for underlining my point about rationalising by the way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! and this is the evidence sited by someone who prides himself on the scientific method? I'm scratching my head here. (-; #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and hope they all vote a resounding Yes! and immediately outlaw the practice of TMSP and make it illegal to advertise TM in any way, shape or form. LOL, you really don't like it do you! Here's the news, TM is very popular in Glasgow and the teacher there makes a good living from it. Edinburgh TM are doing well and are building a vastu centre. There is already one of those in Aberdeen (I think) which is my ancestral home. I love Scotland too but I hope they vote No because the chaos for both countries will be amazing and we'd be stuck with the Tory scum forever. They want a decent welfare state but there's only 4 million people there
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
Your problem with the movement, Edg, is quite simple: you gave yourself away like a cheap tart and they fucked you. What else did you expect? On 9/13/2014 1:16 AM, salyavin808 wrote: This is a joke isn't it? Of course it is. The only other explanation would be that we got into a spiritual movement expecting it to develop consciousness and improve relationships in the manner that it claims, and yet we become so bitter at the reality that anyone who complains about the failure of the technique to produce what is claimed in the brochure must be an idiot to have expected it in the first place. You should have come to this conclusion /about five minutes after your first TM meditation/. What happened to you that you turned into an idiot? Maybe you just took advantage of a chance to be co-dependent. Go figure. And yet everyone keeps doing it and believing to the extent that they feel they have to defend it daily on the net. No that couldn't be the explanation, it must be a joke. I just got up, give me time to get up to speed Damn, that's good! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No, I haven't approached my life in a very sensible way. After all, Maharishi told us all to take leave of our senses! Ha ha I laugh at my own joke, .. and you, you fuck. What have I done to you, SHITFORBRAINS, that you're attacking me personally? I don't know you; how in the fuck can you have an opinion about me of any worth? Get of that high horse. Ain't nobody here knows his/her next thought, and you're going to tell me what thoughts/feelings/emotions I have or will have? Fucking turd! ' Ain't no one getting off Earth with any clarity in their back pocket. We're all DUMMIES. We don't know jack shit about ALMOST EVERYTHING. And you're here fizzing like a wet firecracker at me? I've had my victories. I have a good life now. I struggle still with parts of me. I have NEVER been in a fist fight since I was 11 years old. I don't own a gun, and your speculations about me being some sort of danger to the community shows how fucking insane you are to be here with such obviously projected assertions. Here, have a big plate of steaming shit. Eat. It. I'm having such funzies todayI took myself off the leash to toss some shit at the fan here. In real life, I'm Walter Mitty with THE WORLD'S FASTEST TRIKKE. I'M SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF. Gawd, how can you guys not love me to pieces? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had naturally occurred. Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie going on. I wore the Vedic gemsall that. I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O. But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! ! Went to about six psychic types. So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my negativities. $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period thereall for naught. Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his hand inside me. I had two different persons make strange sounds with their mouths -- special sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a relief, eh? Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen my son got cancer diagnosed the next week. We had gone to this nurse because that was her thang...spotting cancer. So I
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
I was in the movement for a long time and don't consider that I was ever screwed over, as you put it, or lied to, or the victim of fraud. Unfortunately, this board has always attracted a lot of whiners and malcontents (you are just the latest) who like to blame others for their own mistakes and unhappiness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You shouldn't be that stupid but apparently you are - how is expecting someone to be honest, keep their word and not screw you over by lying and committing fraud asking for a handout? Like most TM fanatics you love to blame those who realize their were defrauded on many levels, just like the Movement loves to blame people who commit suicide by claiming they weren't meditating properly, were off the program or had some underlying mental condition that was there, unseen for decades till then killed themselves. Blame the victim, not the huckster nor his snake oil. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 7:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. Yes Fester, it is stupid to think that TM and all its sundry add-ons was going to work isn't it? And spending so much money on it too! I suppose you never believed a word of it You miss the point Sal. You just don't get what Feste is saying. I could tell you that it is a matter of personal responsibility, that you are born alone, that you die alone, and that you are ultimately the master of your own fate, but I don't think it would sink in. If you are looking for a hand out in this world, then yes, you are going to be disappointed, and somewhat bitter, as you appear to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had naturally occurred. Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie going on. I wore the Vedic gemsall that. I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O. But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! ! Went to about six psychic types. So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my negativities. $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period thereall for naught. Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his hand inside me. I had two different persons make strange sounds with their mouths -- special sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a relief, eh? Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen my son got cancer diagnosed the next week. We had gone to this nurse because that was her thang...spotting cancer. So I tried FFL. And now I iz saved. I have at least ten people here who are telling me if I make the least mistake. For free! How good is that!
[FairfieldLife] Origin of word 'meditation'
In the Old Testament (Christian name of Hebrew bible), hāgâ means to sigh or murmur, and also, to meditate [60]. When the Hebrew bible was translated into Greek the word hāgâ became the Greek word melete, and wh en bible was translated into Latin it became Latin word meditatio [61]. Meditation is derived from meditatio, meaning to think, contemplate, devise, and ponder [62]. Meditation was introduced as a translation for eastern spiritual practices. Meditation is referred to as dhyāna in Buddhism and in Hinduism, it comes from Sanskrit root dhyai, meaning to meditate or contemplate. It is also referred to in Islamic Sufism, Christian hesychasm, Jewish kabbalah, and many other traditions. Excerpted from: Mahak Narang, Cognative Enhancement Using Meditation as Intervention
[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
You know 7th ray, you just wrote something really awful. Did you think you were being clever? I know someone whose son, who was struggling with depression, was told, online, to go kill himself by his friend.. This friend thought he was being bold and out there - he dared him to do it. And the young man did kill himself. His father found the entire year's worth of email exchanges. He took them over to this friend's house and showed them to the friend' and his father. Think about what you wrote. Learn from it. Nothing justifies what you wrote.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
Hey, MIchael, Just a FYI that I'm sure will go right over your head. I'm not the one who has compared his writing, or his postings to Edg. That distinction belongs to you. If you think you have 100th, er,make that 1000th, of the street cred as Edg, it is just another delusion point for you. Talk about a drop in the ocean! (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Like the most heavily addicted TM'ers you cannot look at your own behavior. You are not worthy of cleaning Edg's boots. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I guess it shocks me a little to see a 70 year old man throwing a tantrum like a five year old child. And was it a suggestion, or just a question? Look at your own spin. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You suggestion shows you are a real fine example of what kind of person TM turns out. That is pretty low. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Edg, why don't you kill yourself? Really, why not? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence. Eight months of teacher training. 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome. 2000 initiations 3% of Napa taught Many ATRs, many advance techniques Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep the center open. Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF from 1981 to 1999. Kids in MSAE all their lives. AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE. Where's the beef? We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION. I got bupkis.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
I agree. 100%
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
look at your life MIchael. where are you, day after day, week after week, now coming up on year after year, crying, I was done wrong. You, you and you, you were all done wrong, and I have decided to make it my life's mission to make you realize that. Wait!, What!, you don't feel you were done wrong? Well then, I have the answer for you. You are a deluded, true believer, cult apologist, and I will cure you of that And may I remind you Michael, of you attempt to sell the VA your own basket full of new age remedies to address PTSD for a fee (of course). You know, you own variation of the remedies you deride on a daily basis. Not that this will make sense to you, but I point out nonetheless. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You shouldn't be that stupid but apparently you are - how is expecting someone to be honest, keep their word and not screw you over by lying and committing fraud asking for a handout? Like most TM fanatics you love to blame those who realize their were defrauded on many levels, just like the Movement loves to blame people who commit suicide by claiming they weren't meditating properly, were off the program or had some underlying mental condition that was there, unseen for decades till then killed themselves. Blame the victim, not the huckster nor his snake oil. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 7:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. Yes Fester, it is stupid to think that TM and all its sundry add-ons was going to work isn't it? And spending so much money on it too! I suppose you never believed a word of it You miss the point Sal. You just don't get what Feste is saying. I could tell you that it is a matter of personal responsibility, that you are born alone, that you die alone, and that you are ultimately the master of your own fate, but I don't think it would sink in. If you are looking for a hand out in this world, then yes, you are going to be disappointed, and somewhat bitter, as you appear to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had naturally occurred. Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie going on. I wore the Vedic gemsall that. I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O. But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! ! Went to about six psychic types. So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my negativities. $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period thereall for naught. Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his hand inside me. I had two different persons make strange sounds with their mouths -- special sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a relief, eh? Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen my son got cancer diagnosed the next week. We had gone to this nurse because that was her thang...spotting cancer. So I tried FFL. And now I iz saved. I have at least ten people here who are telling me if I make the least mistake. For free! How good is that!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I've been working on taxes today and had to delay continuing with the book, but the clarity is welcome after the lax mental sprawl that has become FFL of late. Harris really has a gift for organising material. If you have gotten to the part in the 'self' section about using a transporter, I presented this argument to an initiator some years ago, and the response was, 'No I would not go into such a device'. Perhaps you could review the book here on FFL, not that the most of the current crowd has much capacity for grasping the arguments. Most of the current crowd doesn't have the attention span and intellect to read a comic book, much less something like this. I'll pass. :-) Besides, you know they'd never read it, because they'd be terrified of catching atheist cooties and finding out how mindfulness really works. :-) Plus, it is more bawee's speed to review the latest cartoon series on TV. Reviewing this book would be a wee bit of a stretch for our bawee and perhaps even he knows it. Blaming the audience's lack of brain power is his excuse - which is, obviously, typical of him. Sure, I'd climb that skyscraper with one hand tied behind my back but none of you would appreciate it so I'll decline. (snort)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book
Funny, we get so many unsolicited reviews from Barry, and now we ask for one, and he says, no. no I won't. and I may never. so there! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Translation: I read a few paragraphs standing at a book-stall in Amsterdam but I couldn't afford to buy a copy so I'll just fake reading it - nobody on FFL will know the difference and Judy is gone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
Another thing to remember for anyone living in that so-called United-Kingdom: According to Benjamin Creme, Brahmananda Saraswati is secong only to Maitreya, the oldest soul now in incarnation on this planet with a point of evolution of 7,0. Guru Dev achieved 6,0. I may remind you that Masterhood is achieved at 4,0. The question then arises; what will be the collective consequences for a nation who with intent, as part of their very upbringing and arrogant culture insults not only a Master of Masters, in this case Guru Dev, but the whole Vedic Culture of India ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You're a funny fellow Sal, Benjamin Creme as a replacement for Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ? Me thinks you have some serious reading to update your knowledge to do seeming+ somewhat out of it. And while your're at it do check your spelling. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal, you know well this is silly. Maharishi dropped England because of the authrocities they did in the Empire, India included. Haven't you heard the story of Guru Dev meeting the english tiger-hunter in the Indian jungle ? Do google it. I tried and drew a blank. Can you do it? Maharishi was most generous and tried to uplift every nation but having lived with the stories of India being occupied by hooligans from that so-called Kingdom, somewhere along the line He just had enough of you lot. Regarding the future, you can be lucky to have seers like Benjamin Creme blessing your country, and Maitrya Himself is supposed to live in London, at least for some time, so it's not all bleak. But do watch out for the effect and karma of raping other nations. We certainly feel lucky to have Benjamin Creme as a replacement for Marshy and if Maitreya ever actually shows his face we'll be happier still ;-) Thanks for underlining my point about rationalising by the way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! and this is the evidence sited by someone who prides himself on the scientific method? I'm scratching my head here. (-; #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and
[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. Yes Fester, it is stupid to think that TM and all its sundry add-ons was going to work isn't it? And spending so much money on it too! I suppose you never believed a word of it Some people heard the claims about the various goods and services the Movement was offering and simply rejected them out of hand (non meditators and the common man). Some other people tried TM and the Siddhis but rejected the rest (me) and some others spent years and tens of thousands of dollars trying everything from yagyas to Vedic honey. Now who of these people are the gullible ones? Who of these people are allowed to bellyache? Who of these people are allowed to make a case for belief over non believe and at what point are they allowed to do this - before they tried it all or after? What are you actually saying Sal?
Re: [FairfieldLife] My anger is my proof
like ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : At one time, I considered signing up for a TTC until I found out how much it would cost and how long it would take. So, I finished school instead and got a job working to raise a family. That way, I had plenty of time to read books about Advaita. Eight months of teacher training. 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome. 2000 initiations 3% of Napa taught Many ATRs, many advance techniques Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep the center open. Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF from 1981 to 1999. Kids in MSAE all their lives. AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE. Where's the beef? We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION. I got bupkis.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Dan, what Edg didn't catch is that we were all thrown into that same gigantic, cosmic washingmachine. We lived for a dollar a day, in Europe, in the USA and in Asia for tens of years and it was OK. What mattered was the idea that by doing so Maharishi would connect us to something bigger, something greater. For some that greater was more personal power and riches, perhaps to meet a lovely lady, for others it was longevity and good health, but for most of us it meant that by His Grace we could shake hands with Godhead. I'm communicating with many of the friends from that time, and I can assure you; whatever their desires were, with the blessings of their own good karma and with the help of the most competent Guide, their aspirations are fulfilled. A very interesting feature is when you meet an old meditator who has simply done TM twice a day, someone who perhaps met Maharishi in the 60's. With 0 expectations, yet they find their lives mysteriously fulfilled on levels they had not even imagined. I can't see thru Edg's eyes (or experience thru his consciousness). But speaking only for I, I got no complaints. Maybe lower expectations? I see three factors contributing to how one feels about their TM experience if, in the end, they feel it was negative. 1) the level of their expectations 2) their personality and character that is unique to them 3) the amount of time, energy and money they spent on all the things you can spend time, energy and money on with relation to the Movement. If you have the perfect storm of all three then you can end up with some individuals feeling pretty angry or contemptuous or downright murderous about it all. But, whether you are talking about a failed spiritual path or a failed investment strategy it still comes down to the choices and the character of the participant. This does not mean that there are not spiritual paths or investment opportunities that are scams and manipulative but it does mean that it takes at least two to tango. Ann, You are very helpful here. I have no idea about all this controversy. I guess it's my youthful innocence, or perhaps just naivety. I don't 'get it', yet I do hear all kinds of complaints emanating from Members here. I'll try to pay better attention, but without your insight, I keep missing the picture. Maybe we'll all learn something. Dan from nyc far away from this controversy Thanks Dan, always eager to help...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
You nailed it. It has become what Rick Archer wanted it to become; a mirror of himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I was in the movement for a long time and don't consider that I was ever screwed over, as you put it, or lied to, or the victim of fraud. Unfortunately, this board has always attracted a lot of whiners and malcontents (you are just the latest) who like to blame others for their own mistakes and unhappiness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You shouldn't be that stupid but apparently you are - how is expecting someone to be honest, keep their word and not screw you over by lying and committing fraud asking for a handout? Like most TM fanatics you love to blame those who realize their were defrauded on many levels, just like the Movement loves to blame people who commit suicide by claiming they weren't meditating properly, were off the program or had some underlying mental condition that was there, unseen for decades till then killed themselves. Blame the victim, not the huckster nor his snake oil. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 7:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. Yes Fester, it is stupid to think that TM and all its sundry add-ons was going to work isn't it? And spending so much money on it too! I suppose you never believed a word of it You miss the point Sal. You just don't get what Feste is saying. I could tell you that it is a matter of personal responsibility, that you are born alone, that you die alone, and that you are ultimately the master of your own fate, but I don't think it would sink in. If you are looking for a hand out in this world, then yes, you are going to be disappointed, and somewhat bitter, as you appear to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had naturally occurred. Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie going on. I wore the Vedic gemsall that. I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O. But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! ! Went to about six psychic types. So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my negativities. $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period thereall for naught. Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his hand inside me. I had two different persons make strange sounds with their mouths -- special sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a relief, eh? Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen my son got cancer diagnosed the next week. We had gone to this nurse because that was her thang...spotting cancer. So I tried FFL. And now I iz saved. I have at least ten people here who are telling me if I make the least mistake. For free! How good is that!
[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
He's a 70 year old man, having a tantrum like a 5 year old boy. Sorry, not the same situation. I have a 21 year old son, working through issues. I am not oblivious to those kinds of issues. And for your information, I am addressing the issues with my son in a concrete way, not crying, woe is me ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71@... wrote : You know 7th ray, you just wrote something really awful. Did you think you were being clever? I know someone whose son, who was struggling with depression, was told, online, to go kill himself by his friend.. This friend thought he was being bold and out there - he dared him to do it. And the young man did kill himself. His father found the entire year's worth of email exchanges. He took them over to this friend's house and showed them to the friend' and his father. Think about what you wrote. Learn from it. Nothing justifies what you wrote.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Earl's letter http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html Ann, you just helped me understand something better so I thanked you for that in my earlier Post. Now I'll return the favor, just see below... Interesting, now that I have read it. If it is all true then more's the pity. If it is partially true then it should give people pause. I think that this letter was written from a place of sincerity and concern by the Kaplans. They were, evidently, privy to all sorts of carefully protected secrets and were part of the inner circle. Whenever the inner circle chooses to speak about the things that go on close to the center of things it can mean one of two things: they are speaking the truth or they are disgruntled and making things up. [They are disgruntled and making things up.] I am in no position to know which it is or what percentage is made up of truth and what percentage is simple disgruntlement. Thinking back on what Robin has said about his own realization of his enlightenment it appears to closely jive with that Kaplan claims of what TM does to one, which is interesting for me. I am sure Robin has seen this letter as has everyone else on the planet except, apparently, me. Some of this troubles me as a sort of one-man's-viewpoint analysis because it is terribly damning and yet I am so removed from the TM Movement and even TM itself I find I am untouched. Still, this letter has evidently been influential and has created some serious doubts about MMY in many people's minds. I have to say, I feel badly, on one level for the Kaplans because they gave a lot to what they believed was true and good and right. In reading his letter I also realize Kaplan is going to survive it all and come out the other side intact. What is he and his brother doing now?[he's seething and sulking, not productive IMHO] Thank you NY correspondent. Your in-depth commentary has helped me. At least I know where you stand on the subject, your brevity was clearcut and crystalline.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
On 9/13/2014 6:22 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Unfortunately its not a joke - the person who wrote that is a fine example of the lack of decency the Movement churns out. If just two years living in a pod is any indication of what TM practice can do to someone's head, then he after 29 years he should probably be admitted to an insane asylum right now. What I want to know is why you guys never once went to see a cult-exit counselor. Something tells me you guys are making something up, or leaving something out. Nobody gives up free room and board in a pod or living in a room at a TM Center without a good reason. Why did you guys get kicked out? Just be honest. *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:16 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Your problem with the movement, Edg, is quite simple: you gave yourself away like a cheap tart and they fucked you. What else did you expect? This is a joke isn't it? Of course it is. The only other explanation would be that we got into a spiritual movement expecting it to develop consciousness and improve relationships in the manner that it claims, and yet we become so bitter at the reality that anyone who complains about the failure of the technique to produce what is claimed in the brochure must be an idiot to have expected it in the first place. And yet everyone keeps doing it and believing to the extent that they feel they have to defend it daily on the net. No that couldn't be the explanation, it must be a joke. I just got up, give me time to get up to speed Damn, that's good! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No, I haven't approached my life in a very sensible way. After all, Maharishi told us all to take leave of our senses! Ha ha I laugh at my own joke, .. and you, you fuck. What have I done to you, SHITFORBRAINS, that you're attacking me personally? I don't know you; how in the fuck can you have an opinion about me of any worth? Get of that high horse. Ain't nobody here knows his/her next thought, and you're going to tell me what thoughts/feelings/emotions I have or will have? Fucking turd! ' Ain't no one getting off Earth with any clarity in their back pocket. We're all DUMMIES. We don't know jack shit about ALMOST EVERYTHING. And you're here fizzing like a wet firecracker at me? I've had my victories. I have a good life now. I struggle still with parts of me. I have NEVER been in a fist fight since I was 11 years old. I don't own a gun, and your speculations about me being some sort of danger to the community shows how fucking insane you are to be here with such obviously projected assertions. Here, have a big plate of steaming shit. Eat. It. I'm having such funzies todayI took myself off the leash to toss some shit at the fan here. In real life, I'm Walter Mitty with THE WORLD'S FASTEST TRIKKE. I'M SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF. Gawd, how can you guys not love me to pieces? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had naturally occurred. Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie going on. I wore the Vedic gemsall that. I went to three different PhDs in psychology --
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Unfortunately its not a joke - the person who wrote that is a fine example of the lack of decency the Movement churns out. I just love your serious tone Michael. It is always a hoot, (and hollow, to boot) Yea, well, just because one can do the equivalent and say these things about their enemy (MMY and the Movement) it doesn't mean that same person likes someone else to call another who agrees with them these things. It's called a double standard, Steve. I see it here all the time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
I don't read any of 7th ray's posts any more, so I don't know what he might have said, but I sure recognize the vibe you're discussing. Something happened at some point and he became really nasty. I've written him off. From: waybac...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof You know 7th ray, you just wrote something really awful. Did you think you were being clever? I know someone whose son, who was struggling with depression, was told, online, to go kill himself by his friend.. This friend thought he was being bold and out there - he dared him to do it. And the young man did kill himself. His father found the entire year's worth of email exchanges. He took them over to this friend's house and showed them to the friend' and his father. Think about what you wrote. Learn from it. Nothing justifies what you wrote.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: wayback71@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com It was delivered to my doorstep the other day and just a few pages I enjoy his writing style - he is clear and articulate and really nails things. I will read it this weekend. And Barry, as you know, he says there is no self (ha, we have been thru this many times)!! Indeed. He seems to be a very strong personality, with a very strong sense of self, uh, saying there is no self. :-) Unlike some here, I don't have to agree with everything a writer says to like that writer... :-) And unlike some Posters here, I don't have to disagree with everything a Poster posts to totally dismiss that Poster.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. Yes Fester, it is stupid to think that TM and all its sundry add-ons was going to work isn't it? And spending so much money on it too! I suppose you never believed a word of it You miss the point Sal. You just don't get what Feste is saying. I could tell you that it is a matter of personal responsibility, that you are born alone, that you die alone, and that you are ultimately the master of your own fate And that, in a nutshell, is why people get involved with religious groups like TM that promise the world and yet deliver nothing. Maybe you missed the intro talk, maybe you never heard Marshy talking about enlightenment, maybe you never read the research about improved relationships and effortless problem solving. Life is Bliss, you heard that one at least? Maybe you wised up quicker than Edg did, good for you but you don't sound like a sceptic, you sound like someone who brought a car and found out it was rubbish but tells everyone it's great apart from the fact it was rubbish to start with. Which one is it? but I don't think it would sink in. If you are looking for a hand out in this world, then yes, you are going to be disappointed, and somewhat bitter, as you appear to be. It's easier to think that about me than realise the contradictions inherent in what you are saying. Sal, you are speaking here as if your findings practicing TM and whatever else you did or didn't do in the Movement are the same for everyone. You feel one way, experienced whatever you experienced whenever that was (presumably your feelings evolving over time) but you are failing to recognize that you have not done some valid scientific study that has been proven to be true for all time for all participants. You have simply come to some conclusions on your own, based on your subjectivity, about the Movement and now expect it to be the ultimate truth of the thing for everyone. Fact: you find TM and MMY's claims to be rubbish. Fact: not everyone else does. Fact: the verdict is out on which one is true.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
and thank you for that Barry. I say that because it has always been painful to criticize you, because I like you, so any criticism has been made much easier knowing that there will be no reply. and of course your participation here has been curtailed since the only feedback you entertain is that which is aligned with your beliefs. whatever works! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I don't read any of 7th ray's posts any more, so I don't know what he might have said, but I sure recognize the vibe you're discussing. Something happened at some point and he became really nasty. I've written him off. From: wayback71@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof You know 7th ray, you just wrote something really awful. Did you think you were being clever? I know someone whose son, who was struggling with depression, was told, online, to go kill himself by his friend.. This friend thought he was being bold and out there - he dared him to do it. And the young man did kill himself. His father found the entire year's worth of email exchanges. He took them over to this friend's house and showed them to the friend' and his father. Think about what you wrote. Learn from it. Nothing justifies what you wrote.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I don't read any [we know. Faking a review of Sam Harris' book established that] of 7th ray's posts any more, so I don't know [yet more that you don't know? Just ask!] what he might have said [another attempt at knowing without reading. Is that some kinna spiritualism?], but I sure recognize the vibe [more spiritualism?] you're discussing. Something happened at some point and he became really nasty. I've written him off [Steve's a lucky man. I envy him this.]. From: wayback71@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof You know 7th ray, you just wrote something really awful. Did you think you were being clever? I know someone whose son, who was struggling with depression, was told, online, to go kill himself by his friend.. This friend thought he was being bold and out there - he dared him to do it. And the young man did kill himself. His father found the entire year's worth of email exchanges. He took them over to this friend's house and showed them to the friend' and his father. Think about what you wrote. Learn from it. Nothing justifies what you wrote.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. Yes Fester, it is stupid to think that TM and all its sundry add-ons was going to work isn't it? And spending so much money on it too! I suppose you never believed a word of it You miss the point Sal. You just don't get what Feste is saying. I could tell you that it is a matter of personal responsibility, that you are born alone, that you die alone, and that you are ultimately the master of your own fate And that, in a nutshell, is why people get involved with religious groups like TM that promise the world and yet deliver nothing. Maybe you missed the intro talk, maybe you never heard Marshy talking about enlightenment, maybe you never read the research about improved relationships and effortless problem solving. Life is Bliss, you heard that one at least? Maybe you wised up quicker than Edg did, good for you but you don't sound like a sceptic, you sound like someone who brought a car and found out it was rubbish but tells everyone it's great apart from the fact it was rubbish to start with. Which one is it? but I don't think it would sink in. If you are looking for a hand out in this world, then yes, you are going to be disappointed, and somewhat bitter, as you appear to be. It's easier to think that about me than realise the contradictions inherent in what you are saying. Sal, you are speaking here as if your findings practicing TM and whatever else you did or didn't do in the Movement are the same for everyone. You feel one way, experienced whatever you experienced whenever that was (presumably your feelings evolving over time) but you are failing to recognize that you have not done some valid scientific study that has been proven to be true for all time for all participants. You have simply come to some conclusions on your own, based on your subjectivity, about the Movement and now expect it to be the ultimate truth of the thing for everyone. Fact: you find TM and MMY's claims to be rubbish. Fact: not everyone else does. Fact: the verdict is out on which one is true. i know
[FairfieldLife] A TM'er Uplifting Your President (and his family)
PAUL McCARTNEY IN PERFORMANCE AT THE WHITE HOUSE (Complete) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8rz9T3fSW8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8rz9T3fSW8 PAUL McCARTNEY IN PERFORMANCE AT THE... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8rz9T3fSW8 See also☛ PAUL McCARTNEY AT KENNEDY CENTER HONORS (Complete) http://youtu.be/RL76v3qoEeI President Obama presented America's ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8rz9T3fSW8 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : and thank you for that Barry. I say that because it has always been painful to criticize you, because I like you, so any criticism has been made much easier knowing that there will be no reply. and of course your participation here has been curtailed since the only feedback you entertain is that which is aligned with your beliefs. whatever works! dysfunction functioning IS NOT EQUAL TO functional fuctioning (ie whatever works) I'm a Mathematician ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I don't read any of 7th ray's posts any more, so I don't know what he might have said, but I sure recognize the vibe you're discussing. Something happened at some point and he became really nasty. I've written him off. From: wayback71@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof You know 7th ray, you just wrote something really awful. Did you think you were being clever? I know someone whose son, who was struggling with depression, was told, online, to go kill himself by his friend.. This friend thought he was being bold and out there - he dared him to do it. And the young man did kill himself. His father found the entire year's worth of email exchanges. He took them over to this friend's house and showed them to the friend' and his father. Think about what you wrote. Learn from it. Nothing justifies what you wrote.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sam Harris Book
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: wayback71@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com It was delivered to my doorstep the other day and just a few pages I enjoy his writing style - he is clear and articulate and really nails things. I will read it this weekend. And Barry, as you know, he says there is no self (ha, we have been thru this many times)!! Indeed. He seems to be a very strong personality, with a very strong sense of self, uh, saying there is no self. :-) Unlike some here, I don't have to agree with everything a writer says to like that writer... :-) And unlike some Posters here, I don't have to disagree with everything a Poster posts to totally dismiss that Poster. blush
[FairfieldLife] TM'ers Uplifting Your President (and his family)
PAUL McCARTNEY IN PERFORMANCE AT THE WHITE HOUSE (Complete) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8rz9T3fSW8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8rz9T3fSW8 PAUL McCARTNEY IN PERFORMANCE AT THE... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8rz9T3fSW8 See also☛ PAUL McCARTNEY AT KENNEDY CENTER HONORS (Complete) http://youtu.be/RL76v3qoEeI President Obama presented America's ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8rz9T3fSW8 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Edg, I just wanted to do a drive-by and say that I've been appreciating your recent rants. They've been very honest and very real and obviously far too real for many here. I haven't bothered to chime in with, Yeah, what he said... yet, but not because I haven't felt that. I just knew that the shaming thing would start and I didn't want to be even a peripheral part of another re-run of that silly soap opera, so I've been staying out of it. But you're a writer and we all know how writers need occasional feedback. So mine is Good stuff. Keep it up, Bro. On 9/13/2014 6:40 AM, salyavin808 wrote: */ /* Seconded with gusto, I've always liked Edg's style and passion. It's easy to forget that he lived it more than most of us and his opinions carry weight for that reason alone. It's easy for certain others to try and dismiss it as all his own fault or taking it seriously even though they take it seriously themselves! Talk about cognitive dissonance in action! Falling down the rabbit hole one more time... It's probably accurate to say that we all fell down the rabbit hole to a certain extent, but some a lot more than others. The important point is what we each did with our experience. Did you enjoy? We don't know exactly why some people latched onto the TMO for prestige, for money, free rent and/or bread to eat. We don't know what they did after they got kicked out. All we know is what they want to reveal in this discussion. There's probably a lot more to these stories than what meets the eye. Maybe some things are better left unsaid. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : What the hell don't we understand about this isn't about us ? ? ? I'm not even a messenger; just a kibitzer in the crowd, and some of you want me shamed outta here or whatever -- how rare is the truth sought here when all of us are so vulnerable to being correctly dismissed as damaged goods? See someone's flaws and have at it hoss -- but don't call your lust to thrust a personality dynamic of a knower of reality. Geeze, learn a lesson from Maharishi here...at least he knew how to handle hostility coming from someone on the mike -- almost always graciously(I can think of a couple exceptions, but . . . ) It's not important if anyone here approves of any statement, or not. What's important is that THIS RECORD of the minds of a few survivors of the TMO be at least registered here. Over the years here, although I've changed my mind, yes I have, due to some of the arguments here, let's face it, this place is not about attempting to formulate statements upon which we all can agree. Instead, we get so much head bashing. Let this be on the record too sayeth moi -- let the whole messy-ness of it, the soul swampy steam coming off of it, let it all be recorded here. If I am a miscreant out to propagandize to a few minds here -- let it be recorded. This...all of thisdone by true believers lo these many decades. Hey it's sci-fi now but an actuality that's coming soon enough is that there's going to be a tech that will make use of all this jabbering of ours -- and who the fuck knows what wisdom can be mined herein by some A.I. engine around the corner, eh? Some sooperdooper A.I. that would rule the world would at least be able to buddy up with the likes of the sorry spiritual drunks almost passed out in the corners of Rick's Place. We'd be on our knees e-praying in about ten minutes flat once an A.I. god told us we were special. Who can't be easily pegged by their postings here? Everyone's put out all this data about themselves without even thinking twice about how it could all be put into a dossier with which A.I. can grok a person 100%. Or the NSA. No diff. I just wanted to and will continue to lay out my POV -- 29 years before the mast and the ship went down. And my story is true for about 95% of all the folks that once invested in the technique -- it just didn't pan out. It's not about me; it's about all the other me-types -- the universal-anyone-who-can-think-a-thought-can-do-it technique simply had no pizzazz and the audience evaporated. Ta ta and thanks for all the.you thought I'd say fish, right? You're mind readers! ! ! ! !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Supreme Enlightenment and those who are jealous of it [ was Re: Nice to hear from you, Rish]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Earl's letter http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2008/04/earl-kaplans-letter.html Ann, you just helped me understand something better so I thanked you for that in my earlier Post. Now I'll return the favor, just see below... Interesting, now that I have read it. If it is all true then more's the pity. If it is partially true then it should give people pause. I think that this letter was written from a place of sincerity and concern by the Kaplans. They were, evidently, privy to all sorts of carefully protected secrets and were part of the inner circle. Whenever the inner circle chooses to speak about the things that go on close to the center of things it can mean one of two things: they are speaking the truth or they are disgruntled and making things up. [They are disgruntled and making things up.] I am in no position to know which it is or what percentage is made up of truth and what percentage is simple disgruntlement. Thinking back on what Robin has said about his own realization of his enlightenment it appears to closely jive with that Kaplan claims of what TM does to one, which is interesting for me. I am sure Robin has seen this letter as has everyone else on the planet except, apparently, me. Some of this troubles me as a sort of one-man's-viewpoint analysis because it is terribly damning and yet I am so removed from the TM Movement and even TM itself I find I am untouched. Still, this letter has evidently been influential and has created some serious doubts about MMY in many people's minds. I have to say, I feel badly, on one level for the Kaplans because they gave a lot to what they believed was true and good and right. In reading his letter I also realize Kaplan is going to survive it all and come out the other side intact. What is he and his brother doing now?[he's seething and sulking, not productive IMHO] Thank you NY correspondent. Your in-depth commentary has helped me. At least I know where you stand on the subject, your brevity was clearcut and crystalline. I stand by the real-world facts. I live by real-world facts. I do not confuse myself or bewilder my life. I live in NYC. A city built on granite. Proud NYer, D
[FairfieldLife] Duveyoung's Rant
Hey Duveyoung, what a wonderful rant! I've pasted together many of your last posts to create an überrant, they have more sustaining power this way. Re: 'I got bupkis'. You got the whole secret right here, you got nada, zilch, blank, diddly, zero. Enlightenment is selling water by the river, always has been, always will be. That realisation should be a relief, because it is an inside job. Who did what to whom? Is anybody really there at home, or away from home? The dissatisfaction of finding out or the satisfaction of finding out depends on whether the realisation came when someone was at home, or not. For posterity: Duveyoung's Rant Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence. I was in the audience when Maharishi described how he came up with the mantras. (He may have given this explanation on other occasions...dunno.) It wasn't from Guru Dev...the technique might have been from Guru Dev, but the mantras were picked by Maharishi as he sat on his bed in a hotel room...if I remember correctly. There was never a moment when Guru Dev pulled Maharishi aside and gave birth to the technique as far as I can tell...merely from Guru Dev's talks did Maharishi get the concepts we're being told comes from 5,000 years of tradition. But, nope, don't think so anymore. Can anyone add more to my dim memories of this? Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding a philosophy made necessary if the concept transcendental is the basis of it. Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had general philosophy 101 classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who could lead a discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to study the Gita or other scriptures, never had any must memorize commands, etc. We were forbidden to read any other spiritual books. Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that was always informal and there was no lesson plan for the students. In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to defend TM with concepts and logic...except such as we were able to individually pony up when the moment came that someone asked a deeper question. We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our audiences were as un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the max. Any PhD in philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots and sweating buckets. Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types...the nice folks who were stupid but who would do great works none-the-less. We swallowed that shit like it was caviar. So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me — it's just window dressing in a billion dollar scam. I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book underlining and adding comments and questions in the margins. After I got into Advaita, I read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED at the lack of consistency of how key concepts were used. Go ahead, try to find out what Maharishi would say are the defining DIFFERENCES being, consciousness, isness, amness, transcendent, awareness, witness, soul, etc. I'll wait. No one...I repeat, NO ONE came off a TM teachers' training course being able to define these words without paradox or treating most of them as if they were synonyms of each other. We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps. Eight months of teacher training. 29 years in the chair — four hours a day — five of the years in the dome. 2000 initiations 3% of Napa taught Many ATRs, many advance techniques Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep the center open. Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war...lived in FF from 1981 to 1999. Kids in MSAE all their lives. AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE. Where's the beef? We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION. I got bupkis. I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten of the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work — just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years — actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life — on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleep...about a dozen attributes...and then I tried to find correlations with the charts...never could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had naturally occurred. Nope — I didn't even have a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Edg, I just wanted to do a drive-by and say that I've been appreciating your recent rants. They've been very honest and very real and obviously far too real for many here. I haven't bothered to chime in with, Yeah, what he said... yet, but not because I haven't felt that. I just knew that the shaming thing would start and I didn't want to be even a peripheral part of another re-run of that silly soap opera, so I've been staying out of it. But you're a writer and we all know how writers need occasional feedback. So mine is Good stuff. Keep it up, Bro. */ /* Seconded with gusto, I've always liked Edg's style and passion. It's easy to forget that he lived it more than most of us and his opinions carry weight for that reason alone. On 9/13/2014 6:54 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: From what he's described, I don't think that I'd like living the experience that Edg has experienced. Maybe he could have changed sumthin'? He should have known from his first TM meditation that a relaxation technique wasn't going to make him or anyone else enlightened. It sounds like he was practicing guru yoga instead of basic TM. If his story is true, then he must not have been practicing basic TM 15-20 minutes a day. One can only speculate what people close to him must have gone through. It must have been really tough accepting that almost all of his money and time went into supporting a cult. It makes you wonder where he got all the money and how he could afford to send his kids to an expensive private school like MSAE. It just doesn't make any sense that a guy would be so susceptible to the suggestions of others that he would put his whole family through hell for decades just to satisfy his fantasy of being a snake-oil salesman. Go figure. It's easy for certain others to try and dismiss it as all his own fault or taking it seriously even though they take it seriously themselves! Talk about cognitive dissonance in action! Falling down the rabbit hole one more time... Sal, reading minds again? Wake up! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : What the hell don't we understand about this isn't about us ? ? ? I'm not even a messenger; just a kibitzer in the crowd, and some of you want me shamed outta here or whatever -- how rare is the truth sought here when all of us are so vulnerable to being correctly dismissed as damaged goods? See someone's flaws and have at it hoss -- but don't call your lust to thrust a personality dynamic of a knower of reality. Geeze, learn a lesson from Maharishi here...at least he knew how to handle hostility coming from someone on the mike -- almost always graciously(I can think of a couple exceptions, but . . . ) It's not important if anyone here approves of any statement, or not. What's important is that THIS RECORD of the minds of a few survivors of the TMO be at least registered here. Over the years here, although I've changed my mind, yes I have, due to some of the arguments here, let's face it, this place is not about attempting to formulate statements upon which we all can agree. Instead, we get so much head bashing. Let this be on the record too sayeth moi -- let the whole messy-ness of it, the soul swampy steam coming off of it, let it all be recorded here. If I am a miscreant out to propagandize to a few minds here -- let it be recorded. This...all of thisdone by true believers lo these many decades. Hey it's sci-fi now but an actuality that's coming soon enough is that there's going to be a tech that will make use of all this jabbering of ours -- and who the fuck knows what wisdom can be mined herein by some A.I. engine around the corner, eh? Some sooperdooper A.I. that would rule the world would at least be able to buddy up with the likes of the sorry spiritual drunks almost passed out in the corners of Rick's Place. We'd be on our knees e-praying in about ten minutes flat once an A.I. god told us we were special. Who can't be easily pegged by their postings here? Everyone's put out all this data about themselves without even thinking twice about how it could all be put into a dossier with which A.I. can grok a person 100%. Or the NSA. No diff. I just wanted to and will continue to lay out my POV -- 29 years before the mast and the ship went down. And my story is true for about 95% of all the folks that once invested in the technique -- it just didn't pan out. It's not about me; it's about all the other me-types -- the universal-anyone-who-can-think-a-thought-can-do-it technique simply had no pizzazz and the audience evaporated. Ta ta and thanks for all the.you thought I'd say fish, right? You're mind readers! ! ! ! !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
On 9/13/2014 7:02 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Unfortunately its not a joke - the person who wrote that is a fine example of the lack of decency the Movement churns out. I just love your serious tone Michael. It is always a hoot, (and hollow, to boot) Is he saying that the Movement turned him out to be indecent? *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:16 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Your problem with the movement, Edg, is quite simple: you gave yourself away like a cheap tart and they fucked you. What else did you expect? This is a joke isn't it? Of course it is. The only other explanation would be that we got into a spiritual movement expecting it to develop consciousness and improve relationships in the manner that it claims, and yet we become so bitter at the reality that anyone who complains about the failure of the technique to produce what is claimed in the brochure must be an idiot to have expected it in the first place. And yet everyone keeps doing it and believing to the extent that they feel they have to defend it daily on the net. No that couldn't be the explanation, it must be a joke. I just got up, give me time to get up to speed Damn, that's good! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No, I haven't approached my life in a very sensible way. After all, Maharishi told us all to take leave of our senses! Ha ha I laugh at my own joke, .. and you, you fuck. What have I done to you, SHITFORBRAINS, that you're attacking me personally? I don't know you; how in the fuck can you have an opinion about me of any worth? Get of that high horse. Ain't nobody here knows his/her next thought, and you're going to tell me what thoughts/feelings/emotions I have or will have? Fucking turd! ' Ain't no one getting off Earth with any clarity in their back pocket. We're all DUMMIES. We don't know jack shit about ALMOST EVERYTHING. And you're here fizzing like a wet firecracker at me? I've had my victories. I have a good life now. I struggle still with parts of me. I have NEVER been in a fist fight since I was 11 years old. I don't own a gun, and your speculations about me being some sort of danger to the community shows how fucking insane you are to be here with such obviously projected assertions. Here, have a big plate of steaming shit. Eat. It. I'm having such funzies todayI took myself off the leash to toss some shit at the fan here. In real life, I'm Walter Mitty with THE WORLD'S FASTEST TRIKKE. I'M SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF. Gawd, how can you guys not love me to pieces? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had naturally occurred. Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie going on. I wore the Vedic gemsall that. I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O. But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! ! Went to about six psychic types. So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my negativities. $11,000 alone spent in a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. Yes Fester, it is stupid to think that TM and all its sundry add-ons was going to work isn't it? And spending so much money on it too! I suppose you never believed a word of it You miss the point Sal. You just don't get what Feste is saying. I could tell you that it is a matter of personal responsibility, that you are born alone, that you die alone, and that you are ultimately the master of your own fate On 9/13/2014 7:05 AM, salyavin808 wrote: And that, in a nutshell, is why people get involved with religious groups like TM that promise the world and yet deliver nothing. Maybe you missed the intro talk, maybe you never heard Marshy talking about enlightenment, maybe you never read the research about improved relationships and effortless problem solving. Life is Bliss, you heard that one at least? Maybe you wised up quicker than Edg did, good for you but you don't sound like a sceptic, you sound like someone who brought a car and found out it was rubbish but tells everyone it's great apart from the fact it was rubbish to start with. Which one is it? It sounds like you think he bought a car and drove it for 29 years and THEN he realized it was rubbish from the start. Only a masochist would admit he knew it all along but kept on driving it regardless of the damage he could have done to others. but I don't think it would sink in. If you are looking for a hand out in this world, then yes, you are going to be disappointed, and somewhat bitter, as you appear to be. It's easier to think that about me than realise the contradictions inherent in what you are saying. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had naturally occurred. Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie going on. I wore the Vedic gemsall that. I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O. But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! ! Went to about six psychic types. So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my negativities. $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period thereall for naught. Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his hand inside me. I had two different persons make strange sounds with their mouths -- special sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a relief, eh? Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen my son got cancer diagnosed the next week. We had gone to this nurse because that was her thang...spotting cancer. So I tried FFL. And now I iz saved. I have at least ten people here who are telling me if I make the least mistake. For free! How good is that!
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He suggested Edge kill himself, like the real sattvic example of what kind of guy TM creates that he is. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I don't read any of 7th ray's posts any more, so I don't know what he might have said, but I sure recognize the vibe you're discussing. Something happened at some point and he became really nasty. I've written him off. From: waybac...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof You know 7th ray, you just wrote something really awful. Did you think you were being clever? I know someone whose son, who was struggling with depression, was told, online, to go kill himself by his friend.. This friend thought he was being bold and out there - he dared him to do it. And the young man did kill himself. His father found the entire year's worth of email exchanges. He took them over to this friend's house and showed them to the friend' and his father. Think about what you wrote. Learn from it. Nothing justifies what you wrote.
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You are still not fit to wipe his boots - and you are a fine example of what TM creates - an ass. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Hey, MIchael, Just a FYI that I'm sure will go right over your head. I'm not the one who has compared his writing, or his postings to Edg. That distinction belongs to you. If you think you have 100th, er,make that 1000th, of the street cred as Edg, it is just another delusion point for you. Talk about a drop in the ocean! (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Like the most heavily addicted TM'ers you cannot look at your own behavior. You are not worthy of cleaning Edg's boots. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I guess it shocks me a little to see a 70 year old man throwing a tantrum like a five year old child. And was it a suggestion, or just a question? Look at your own spin. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You suggestion shows you are a real fine example of what kind of person TM turns out. That is pretty low. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Edg, why don't you kill yourself? Really, why not? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence. Eight months of teacher training. 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome. 2000 initiations 3% of Napa taught Many ATRs, many advance techniques Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep the center open. Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF from 1981 to 1999. Kids in MSAE all their lives. AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE. Where's the beef? We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION. I got bupkis.
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You are so locked into believing that Marshy gave what he claimed he gave that you can't see truth if it slapped you in the face. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I was in the movement for a long time and don't consider that I was ever screwed over, as you put it, or lied to, or the victim of fraud. Unfortunately, this board has always attracted a lot of whiners and malcontents (you are just the latest) who like to blame others for their own mistakes and unhappiness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You shouldn't be that stupid but apparently you are - how is expecting someone to be honest, keep their word and not screw you over by lying and committing fraud asking for a handout? Like most TM fanatics you love to blame those who realize their were defrauded on many levels, just like the Movement loves to blame people who commit suicide by claiming they weren't meditating properly, were off the program or had some underlying mental condition that was there, unseen for decades till then killed themselves. Blame the victim, not the huckster nor his snake oil. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 7:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. Yes Fester, it is stupid to think that TM and all its sundry add-ons was going to work isn't it? And spending so much money on it too! I suppose you never believed a word of it You miss the point Sal. You just don't get what Feste is saying. I could tell you that it is a matter of personal responsibility, that you are born alone, that you die alone, and that you are ultimately the master of your own fate, but I don't think it would sink in. If you are looking for a hand out in this world, then yes, you are going to be disappointed, and somewhat bitter, as you appear to be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had naturally occurred. Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie going on. I wore the Vedic gemsall that. I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O. But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! ! Went to about six psychic types. So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my negativities. $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period thereall for naught. Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his hand inside me. I had two different persons make strange sounds with their mouths -- special sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a relief, eh? Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen my son got cancer diagnosed the next week. We had gone to this nurse because that was her thang...spotting cancer. So I tried FFL. And now I iz saved. I have at least ten people here who are telling me if I make the least mistake. For free! How good is that!
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I don't read any of 7th ray's posts any more, so I don't know what he might have said, but I sure recognize the vibe you're discussing. Something happened at some point and he became really nasty. I've written him off. Classic. Here is a guy who is commenting about a post he hasnt' even read. Does it get any better than that? Susan was just getting all self righteous in her response to Steve, bawee. Don't worry. From: wayback71@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof You know 7th ray, you just wrote something really awful. Did you think you were being clever? I know someone whose son, who was struggling with depression, was told, online, to go kill himself by his friend.. This friend thought he was being bold and out there - he dared him to do it. And the young man did kill himself. His father found the entire year's worth of email exchanges. He took them over to this friend's house and showed them to the friend' and his father. Think about what you wrote. Learn from it. Nothing justifies what you wrote.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Duveyoung's Rant
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Hey Duveyoung, what a wonderful rant! I've pasted together many of your last posts to create an überrant, they are easier to delete this way, they have more sustaining power this way. Re: 'I got bupkis'. You got the whole secret right here, you got nada, zilch, blank, diddly, zero. Enlightenment is selling water by the river, always has been, always will be. That realisation should be a relief, because it is an inside job. Who did what to whom? Is anybody really there at home, or away from home? The dissatisfaction of finding out or the satisfaction of finding out depends on whether the realisation came when someone was at home, or not. For posterity: Duveyoung's Rant Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence. I was in the audience when Maharishi described how he came up with the mantras. (He may have given this explanation on other occasions...dunno.) It wasn't from Guru Dev...the technique might have been from Guru Dev, but the mantras were picked by Maharishi as he sat on his bed in a hotel room...if I remember correctly. There was never a moment when Guru Dev pulled Maharishi aside and gave birth to the technique as far as I can tell...merely from Guru Dev's talks did Maharishi get the concepts we're being told comes from 5,000 years of tradition. But, nope, don't think so anymore. Can anyone add more to my dim memories of this? Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding a philosophy made necessary if the concept transcendental is the basis of it. Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had general philosophy 101 classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who could lead a discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to study the Gita or other scriptures, never had any must memorize commands, etc. We were forbidden to read any other spiritual books. Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that was always informal and there was no lesson plan for the students. In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to defend TM with concepts and logic...except such as we were able to individually pony up when the moment came that someone asked a deeper question. We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our audiences were as un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the max. Any PhD in philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots and sweating buckets. Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types...the nice folks who were stupid but who would do great works none-the-less. We swallowed that shit like it was caviar. So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me — it's just window dressing in a billion dollar scam. I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book underlining and adding comments and questions in the margins. After I got into Advaita, I read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED at the lack of consistency of how key concepts were used. Go ahead, try to find out what Maharishi would say are the defining DIFFERENCES being, consciousness, isness, amness, transcendent, awareness, witness, soul, etc. I'll wait. No one...I repeat, NO ONE came off a TM teachers' training course being able to define these words without paradox or treating most of them as if they were synonyms of each other. We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps. Eight months of teacher training. 29 years in the chair — four hours a day — five of the years in the dome. 2000 initiations 3% of Napa taught Many ATRs, many advance techniques Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep the center open. Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war...lived in FF from 1981 to 1999. Kids in MSAE all their lives. AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE. Where's the beef? We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION. I got bupkis. I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten of the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work — just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years — actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life — on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleep...about a dozen attributes...and then I tried to find correlations with the charts...never could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : and thank you for that Barry. I say that because it has always been painful to criticize you, because I like you, so any criticism has been made much easier knowing that there will be no reply. and of course your participation here has been curtailed since the only feedback you entertain is that which is aligned with your beliefs. whatever works! bawee can't believe it - just when Judy leaves and he thinks he can finally find some peace Dan has come to haunt him and now you are turning him off because you're really nasty? Now that is the hoot of the day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I don't read any of 7th ray's posts any more, so I don't know what he might have said, but I sure recognize the vibe you're discussing. Something happened at some point and he became really nasty. I've written him off. From: wayback71@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof You know 7th ray, you just wrote something really awful. Did you think you were being clever? I know someone whose son, who was struggling with depression, was told, online, to go kill himself by his friend.. This friend thought he was being bold and out there - he dared him to do it. And the young man did kill himself. His father found the entire year's worth of email exchanges. He took them over to this friend's house and showed them to the friend' and his father. Think about what you wrote. Learn from it. Nothing justifies what you wrote.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : It doesn't sound to me as if you approached your life in a very sensible way. Always looking to someone else for answers, foolishly spending money. What a sad story. And now you are full up with anger and resentment, like a child whose daddy didn't give him what he said he would. Poor Edg. I hope the local authorities where you live are aware of your propensity for violence. Yes Fester, it is stupid to think that TM and all its sundry add-ons was going to work isn't it? And spending so much money on it too! I suppose you never believed a word of it You miss the point Sal. You just don't get what Feste is saying. I could tell you that it is a matter of personal responsibility, that you are born alone, that you die alone, and that you are ultimately the master of your own fate On 9/13/2014 7:05 AM, salyavin808 wrote: And that, in a nutshell, is why people get involved with religious groups like TM that promise the world and yet deliver nothing. Maybe you missed the intro talk, maybe you never heard Marshy talking about enlightenment, maybe you never read the research about improved relationships and effortless problem solving. Life is Bliss, you heard that one at least? Maybe you wised up quicker than Edg did, good for you but you don't sound like a sceptic, you sound like someone who brought a car and found out it was rubbish but tells everyone it's great apart from the fact it was rubbish to start with. Which one is it? It sounds like you think he bought a car and drove it for 29 years and THEN he realized it was rubbish from the start. Only a masochist would admit he knew it all along but kept on driving it regardless of the damage he could have done to others. All the while singing: Call Me Irresponsible (Frank Sinatra - with Lyrics) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FiEV3tbXvk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FiEV3tbXvk Call Me Irresponsible (Frank Sinatra - with Lyrics) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FiEV3tbXvk Arranged by Nelson Riddle View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FiEV3tbXvk Preview by Yahoo but I don't think it would sink in. If you are looking for a hand out in this world, then yes, you are going to be disappointed, and somewhat bitter, as you appear to be. It's easier to think that about me than realise the contradictions inherent in what you are saying. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I went to at least ten different jyotish experts. Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, Maharishi's astrologer, when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleepabout a dozen attributes.and then I tried to find correlations with the chartsnever could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had naturally occurred. Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie going on. I wore the Vedic gemsall that. I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O. But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! ! Went to about six psychic types. So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my negativities. $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period thereall for naught. Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his hand inside me. I had two different persons make strange sounds with their mouths -- special sounds dontchaknow. I had entities removed from my aura...what a relief, eh? Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 eachthen my son got cancer diagnosed the next week. We had gone to this nurse because that was her thang...spotting cancer. So I tried FFL. And now I iz saved. I have at least ten people here who are telling me if I make the least mistake. For free! How good is that! On 9/13/2014 7:05 AM, salyavin808 wrote: And that, in a nutshell, is why people get involved with religious groups like TM that promise the world and yet deliver
