Re: OT: LAYING IN THE KITTY LITTER BOX
good oneit is1:00am and I just woke up hearing someone hacking up a furrballmy favorite is having 6 of the 9 on the table eating off my plate, and the rest on the floor wanting some, the only reason they are not on the table is because there is no room, I would have to move ;-))[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh yeah and puke on the carpet instead of tile floor... bring up hairballs on the bed or on my husband side of the bed on the floor...LMAO but do you think he will pick it up?? Hell No! he makes a point of telling me it's down there his stomach can't handle it In a message dated 4/29/2005 3:17:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sometimes I think the animals surpass us greatly, hey who has it made we work for them and clean up after them, and all the while they scatch our couchs, run our pantyhose on the way out the door, miss the kitty litter box, and are still a loved part of all our family'shmmm I wonder ;-)) Cherie Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYShttps://www.paypal.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttp://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.orecatay.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/image/jpegimage/jpeg
Need placement - with location this time!!
I feel pretty stupid - forgot to put my location on the following post!! I am located in Horsham, PA - about 15 minutes NW of Philadelphia. I will help with any transportation needed if Harbour finds a good home!!! Thanks! Barb Carnahan -- Original message -- Hi, I found a stray cat this week that is an absolute sweetheart - and unfortunately is FeLV positive. She is about 4 to 5 years old, black and white, and one of the most affectionate cats I have ever met. I would love to bring her home, but already have 2 cats and 2 dogs. The cat, whom we have named Harbour after the restaurant where I found her, does seem to be frightened of dogs of all sizes. Harbour is currently staying at the vet hospital where I work, but I can't keep her there much longer due to a lack of cage space. She seems healthy, eating well, active. She is extremely friendly and talks to those who pass by her cage. I can't bear the thought of euthanasia, so I must find her a place to go ASAP. Can anyone here help me??Barb Carnahan[EMAIL PROTECTED] WATER01S.jpg
Re: Dexamethasone side effects?
Okay I'm a little relieved. It turns out that it was depomedrol that Brissle was given. I read it takes about 3 days to take effect. Yesterday was a little scary. I made the liver shake and gave some to Brissle yesterday. I think that may have stimulated her to eat a little. This morning, she ate a little bit of tuna. Sally sent me some Transfer Factor that I will try today. It's touch and go for sure. Hopefully the depomedrol will have an effect. Michelle I think you're right. Some vets just get real defensive when you suggest anything outside of the box. Thanks for forwarding your oncologist's info. That will give me extra ammo should it come up again. I think you might be right also about the adrenalin thing. I've noticed before Brissle acting more affectionate after the vet's and especially after a stressful pilling episode. After giving her Baytril a couple weeks ago for the first time in awhile, she got real affectionate. I was wondering if it was the Baytril kicking in after only a few hours, or if she was coming back to me for forgiveness after the pilling incident. No, we didn't take an HCT since Brissle's transfusion last Friday. God I hope she doesn't need another transfusion this soon. Where I mentioned that my internist's choices were chemo, transfusions, or steroids, I think I worded that poorly. He was suggesting that if money was an issue, using transfusions (and nothing else) when needed was a possible option. Thanks for listening. -Kyle - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 9:40 AM Subject: Re: Dexamethasone side effects? They can both be given sub q. But long-acting would be depomedrol. But it would be unlikely that the depo would have acted so quickly. If it was the depo and it acted so quickly and is already not working, then I would guess steroids are not going to help her very much. I do not know much about leukemia. Steroids normally help terminal cats feel better no matter what they have, but they are most effective with lymphoma because they also shrink the lymphoma tumors. Here is another theory. If she got depo, maybe she felt better initially just from adrenalyn from going to the vet? Does that ever happen with her? It does with my cats. And maybe the depo has not kicked in yet. it can take a day or two. She may really also need a transfusion in order for anything to make her feel better for long. Did the vet check her HCT? Michelle In a message dated 4/29/05 9:34:03 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Michelle. Dang this is bad. The receipt I have doensn't tell what the injection was and my vet won't be in until 2:00. I asked him first if he was giving the long-acting or short-acting and he said long-acting. So maybe I just have them mixed up. He gave the injection sub-q. Does that narrow it down? -Kyle
Re: Dexamethasone side effects?
Thanks Michelle. That's what I'm hoping for (that the depo will work). The next couple of days could be tedious. Now that I think about it, I think 3 days was for humans. As far as telling my internist to contact your oncologist, if I did that at this point, it would be strictly an ego thing. And right now, I'm too whipped for ego. Thanks! -Kyle - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:59 AM Subject: Re: Dexamethasone side effects? When I asked about the transfusion, I did not realize that she actually got one last week. Yes, Depo takes a few days to kick in often. With Simon, I think it took even longer than 3 days. BTW, I did not ask my oncologist if I could give his number out, and he is away until Monday. If you decide to ask your internist to call him, please send me a note and I will alert him. I told my partner I had given you the info, and his thought was that your internist would probably just be offended at the suggestion that he call someone in MA. But I don't know what other option to offer, other than asking him to do the research himself, which I am sure would offend him even more. However, if the depo is going to work she should be ok without the dex. That really is to help during the time it takes the depo to kick in, and to bring down inflammation quickly. Thinking of you and Brissle (and glad you wrote to tell us she is eating a little), Michelle In a message dated 4/30/05 9:36:03 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, we didn't take an HCT since Brissle's transfusion last Friday. God I hope she doesn't need another transfusion this soon. Where I mentioned that my internist's choices were chemo, transfusions, or steroids, I think I worded that poorly. He was suggesting that if money was an issue, using transfusions (and nothing else) when needed was a possible option.
Re: O.T, - Please vote for Jada
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Re: O.T, - Please vote for Jada
Title: Message jada is 10.65% and bumper is at 11.something. i got to vote again.
Harbour needs a home
Dear Barbara, Thank you for going to the effort of helping Harbour. She certainly sounds like a wonderful girl and very deserving of you intervention. (I saw your post on the FelV list). I have six cats and four dogs, so I'm full up at the Inn. Which test was used for her positive result, the ELISA, (notorious for false positives), or IFA? Usually cats are retested after a couple of months to make sure the test was accurate, (she could very well turn up negative). As I understand it, if she is 4 or 5 years old, healthy and testing positive, there is a good chance that she's either contracted the disease and is in the process of fighting it off; (most adults have been exposed to the disease, but are able to clear it from their system); she's a carrier and has the antigens present, but won't manifest the symptoms, (which would mean she doesn't have the compromised immune system that causes the downfall and death of these guys); or she has had the disease and has already fought it off , but not cleared it from her system completely so that the antigens/antibodies are still present. Usually, because their immune systems are compromised, these guys 'crash' when they are put under stress. Harbour's unfortunate situation has put her under a great deal of stress, and yet she remains asymptomatic, that tells me she has a very good chance at a long and happy life. People (including vets) hear the words Feline Leukemia and equate it with a death sentence. It's just not true. Many, many of them, with quality care and a safe environment live full, rich, even long lives. Please consider revising your notion of her prognosis. A lot of people on the list (myself included) mix their negatives and positives in the household and I have not heard of one instance were an adult, vaccinated, negative contracted the virus, (kittens are much more susceptible). Her options for a good home are wider than you may presently think. Please keep looking for a home for Harbour, there is a match out there somewhere just waiting for this special girl, I just know it. I'll be praying for the two of you. Let us know what happens. Nina
Re: Dexamethasone side effects?
Kyle, I don't have anything to add, I just wanted you to know that I'm with the two of you in spirit and praying for you guys. Nina Melbeach wrote: Okay I'm a little relieved. It turns out that it was depomedrol that Brissle was given. I read it takes about 3 days to take effect. Yesterday was a little scary. I made the liver shake and gave some to Brissle yesterday. I think that may have stimulated her to eat a little. This morning, she ate a little bit of tuna. Sally sent me some Transfer Factor that I will try today. It's touch and go for sure. Hopefully the depomedrol will have an effect. Michelle I think you're right. Some vets just get real defensive when you suggest anything outside of the box. Thanks for forwarding your oncologist's info. That will give me extra ammo should it come up again. I think you might be right also about the adrenalin thing. I've noticed before Brissle acting more affectionate after the vet's and especially after a stressful pilling episode. After giving her Baytril a couple weeks ago for the first time in awhile, she got real affectionate. I was wondering if it was the Baytril kicking in after only a few hours, or if she was coming back to me for forgiveness after the pilling incident. No, we didn't take an HCT since Brissle's transfusion last Friday. God I hope she doesn't need another transfusion this soon. Where I mentioned that my internist's choices were chemo, transfusions, or steroids, I think I worded that poorly. He was suggesting that if money was an issue, using transfusions (and nothing else) when needed was a possible option. Thanks for listening. -Kyle - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 9:40 AM Subject: Re: Dexamethasone side effects?
Re: OT:FIV false positive? LONG answer!
I am so very behind in reading the posts ... however, I do have a female FIV+ and there was another female FIV+ also taken from the same house. It was a terrible living situation and the cats were taken out and shared with shelters and trusted kitty people. I took three catsand Tabitha tested positive. The vet guestamated she is one year old. The other positive was taken by a vet who immediately put her down after testing. "No point in fooling with the positives." Iheard her say she would but didn't know about the test results until afterwards.We have no idea if the two females were related. Del - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 7:54 PM Subject: Re: OT:FIV false positive? LONG answer! It IS strange, isn't it, how cool the fiv cats are! My fiv cat was just as you described. The MOST laid back, friendly, neat cat I've ever had. HUGE! Especially when I first rescued him and he wasn't neutered yet. (I don't know his age, but he was old and died of hepatic liver disease. We didn't know his status until he got sick with that. He just started losing weight, and by the time I noticed (under all the hair), it was too late. Everyone loved him. Even those who aren't too fond of my menagerie loved Brutus. A vet came to visit our school this year with a huge cat. She passed him around the room, etc... like a puppy. She said he was one of the only cats she'd ever been able to take out to schools, etc because nothing bothered him. He was fiv positive and lived with her other cats at home. Some vets file their incisors. I don't remember if she said they'd done that or not on this guy. Come to think of it, I've never heard of anyone with a female fiv positive. Strange. tTenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh, heavens, yes, chris--not only that, but to a great degree, all FIVreally seems to do is make cats big, lazy and couch-potatoes...seriously--from the experiences at the FIV/FeLV sanctuary, theHEALTHIEST population--including the owner-surrenders, strays andferals, were the FIVs.three years ago, some strays brought in distemper. altho ALL the catshad been vaccinated when they came into sanctuary, we had no way ofknowing, of course, whether they'd ever gotten the full, two-seriessets of shots to "set" the immunity. as you may or may not know (ididn't), distemper spreads VERY VERY easily--as little as an infectedgrain of litter carried from room to room is said to be enough.TWO HUNDRED CATS died from that distemper episode, despite heroicmedical intervention (this happened about 6 months before i arrived,so i luckily didn't have to deal with it). not ONE FIV cat got thedistemper--not one. we saw similar results with less seriousinfections--when uris ran around the buildings, the FIVs either didn'tget it, or recovered faster. why? who knows. there was some talk aboutjust dumping the FIV room and moving them from their building into thegeneral population--but we didn't want to make them sick! the onlyconsistent medical problem that the FIVs seem more prone to is herpesviruses, and as everyone on this list knows, daily doses of lysinedropped the incidence of that right back down. there ARE end-stagesymptoms of FIV that appear in some cats, but in most cases, FIV catsdie of old age before they appearwe call the FIV room the neighborhood bar: since 95+% of FIV cats areformer toms who got it while out fighting over girls (or, as one vetsuggests, running AWAY from males fighting over girls), it's mostlybig old neutered toms. once neutered, that need to prove themselvesevaporates. did i mention BIG? the largest cats in the sanctuary arethe FIV boys--it's been great fun to take the 16#rs and up to vets whoknow nothing about FIV--"they can't possibly be sick!" exactlythey lay around all day watching tv, drinking catnip beer, playing "gofish," and talking about the mice they used to chase. you bring thefood into the room and they say, "um, could you bring that bowl alittle closer to ME, please?" they are the lovingest bunch of cats inthe world--laps are their favorite places to nap. the few girls(mostly calicos, interestingly enough) just walk around shaking theirheads wondering how they ever ended up in such a place. MANY of thesanctuary's FIV cats ended up going home with volunteers because theywere just too irresistable.i have two fivs with my cats now; lost a third last august tosomething totally unrelated to FIV.many tnr groups don't even test for FIV anymore, i'm told, becauseit's such a nothing disease--again, once neutered, the urge to bite asdeeply as needed to transmit the disease disappears. (in the
Need home for FeLV Positive Stray in PA
Hi, I found a stray cat this week that is an absolute sweetheart - and unfortunately is FeLV positive. She is about 4 to 5 years old, black and white, and one of the most affectionate cats I have ever met. I would love to bring her home, but already have 2 cats and 2 dogs (full house!). The cat, whom we have named Harbour after the restaurant where I found her, does seem to be frightened of dogs of all sizes. Harbour is currently staying at the vet hospital where I work, but I can't keep her there much longer due to a lack of cage space. She seems healthy, eating well, active. She is extremely friendly and talks to those who pass by her cage. I can't bear the thought of euthanasia, so I must find her a place to go ASAP. Can anyone here help me??I am located in Horsham, PA - about 15 minutes NW of Philadelphia. I am willing to help with transportation!! Thanks for any help you can offer Barb Carnahan[EMAIL PROTECTED] WATER01S.jpg
Re: Nut jobs and Bed Mice
ROFL!!! Ditto here! =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 11:30 PM Subject: Re: Nut jobs and Bed Mice My cats have full control over the household. NO rules, except don't run out the door. They are allowed to shred ANY furniture, they walk on ANY counters, they sleep ANYWHERE they want. Most people think I am nuts, but I figure that since I have kept them locked inside away from all the bugs to chase and things to explore, the least I can do is allow them free reign in the house! Tigger is the one who always sleeps UNDER the covers, I call him "lump". When I go to leave the house, I pet everyone and tell them I love them, and say bye, and when I go to Tigger under the covers, I rub the "lump" and say "Bye my little lumpy-man!". We call the covers attack game "cover-chase", but "bed mice" has a nice ring to it too. Another thing people differ on, when your cat is kneading, some people call it "making bread" some call it "kneading dough" some call it "tenderizing" some call it "pitter-pattering". When I was a kid, my family called it "Pitter-pattering" but now my boyfriend and I refer to it as "tenderizing", mostly because my BIG boy, Doobie, likes to do it on your belly, and it actually leave hundreds of tiny puncture holes all over your belly when he is done, thus, you have been "tenderized". LOL! (Yes, it does hurt, in case you are wondering. I told you people call me nuts!) Jenn ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 4/27/2005
Re: O.T, - Please vote for Jada
I voted again for Jada! Go Jada! Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYShttps://www.paypal.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttp://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.orecatay.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/ inline: aks.jpginline: logobuttonsq.jpg
Re: my two newest rescues
Perhaps this is a good time to ask a question that I have... People on this group have recomended the Liver Shake... Basicaly equal volume of liver and V8 tomato juice I gave it to Baby Kitten the last couple weeks of her life in the form of A/D and V8...1/4 juice and 3/4 A/D It seems that the V8 improves the flavor so that a cat will eat when it won't eat anything else... On the Feline Assisted Feeding Group there is a cat that had stopped eating...The vet suggested A/D.. She atefor a couple days then stopped again... I suggested adding a little V8 to A/D which sure worked for Baby Kitten... But the owner of the group jumped all over me for giving tomato juice to a cat...My reply argument that it was recomended on here got monitored and not posted to the list Now I don't know what to believe...It got my Kitty eating but then my Kitty died 2 weeks later...I think she was too sick from FeLV problems but I strongly believe it bought her 2 weeks of quality life... For Jenns cat...Pursians, like siamese which I have, can be very picky about their food and switching it...Perhaps they have been feed the cheapest food you can by..Might be worth trying a couple differant types before you start force feeding.. Force feeding can really turn a cat off from eating If you dare try the V8 I bet it will work... But they do need to eat something soon...Its not good for them to go much over a day without eating... For a 10 pound cat one 5.5 oz can of food per day is a good starting point...Watch weight from there Tad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoops, I forgot to use the right email address... this is by me, guys! Anyways, this is the 3rd day and they don't seem to be eating or drinking, so if you guys could remind me the required minimal amount of water I need to force feed for a 10 pound cat, that would be great. They will lick Nutri-cal off my fingers, so that's something I suppose. Jenn ~~~ Yesterday I took in two severely neglected Persians. They both have been groomed (shaved and de-bugged), and one has had a full vetting (shots and neuter, but not FELV tested). Anyways, the one I spent all the money on, he was so matted that when they shaved him, his hair came off al in one piece. It literally looks like someone has skinned a cat, the hair came off in ONE BIG MATT! I didn't have enough money to get them both UTD of everything and both neutered, so the other one just had a haircut and revolution treatment for fleas and earmites. So, they are both much more comfortable now. Just wanted to share my newest arrivals with you guys. I have NO idea if they are FELV+ or not, ran out of funds for testing. Anyways, I converted one of our closets into a isolation unit. You guys may be interested in this, it really works great. It's a average sized clothes closet, I took out the shelves and the clothes rod, and removed the wood door. Then I took an old glass storm window from storage and it fit right into the door frame, but only goes 3/4 of the way up the doorway. I made a little frame of rabbit wire and wood to cover the upper 1/4 of the doorway, and I secured the wire part to the top of the doorframe with wood screws, so it can flap up from the bottom. Then I just angled in two wood screws in front of the glass storm door frame in the doorframe, so all I have to do is unscrew two screws (I only screw them in about halfway), and the "door" is easily removed. I added a clamp lamp on one of the wood supports that held up the shelves. Now I have a nice 2x5 isolation room with a glass door I can see through to check up on the cats through, but my cats can't get nose-to-nose with the new cats through. They can see each other, and get to know each other, but with a solid glass barrier between them. It really works great. I put the old beat up foster and smith cat tree in there, it has two levels, a half-round cup and a solid tunnel, and now they have a place to get off the floor. I couldn't have done any better, if I do say so myself! Just had to share with you guys, I think it's a genius idea, and what's the best is it doesn't consume any more floor space than before. I added two more cats without any loss of space. Who knew closets could be converted into cat rooms so easily! It looks surprisingly professional! Jenn No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 4/29/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 4/29/2005
Re: my two newest rescues
Aw Jenn, doesn't it just make you crazy? I hate it when they won't eat. I'm sure they're still traumatized by their ordeal. They were in a pretty sorry state when they got to you and the vet care they received is going to take some time to get over. I hope this is just transitory and they bounce back quickly once they discover they're safe and feel so much better without those nasty mats and vermin on them. I'm sorry I don't know the minimum requirements, but I wanted you to know I'm thinking about you guys and sending hungry thoughts your way. My vet did prescribe some transdermal Cyproheptadine for Gypsy, so much less stress to dose than those nasty tasting pills. I'm sure you know all the secrets of encouraging somebody to eat, but, have you tried; liquefying; warming the food slightly to bring out the aroma; dropping salmon oil on the top to make it smelly; something raw, maybe fish or liver; flat dish opposed to bowl? I've been through it with Gypsy trying to get her to eat! BTW, thank you for sharing your closet/isolation unit idea with us. I've been looking at my closet in the master bedroom all morning thinking how I might convert it for my leaky bottom girl. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoops, I forgot to use the right email address... this is by me, guys! Anyways, this is the 3rd day and they don't seem to be eating or drinking, so if you guys could remind me the required minimal amount of water I need to force feed for a 10 pound cat, that would be great. They will lick Nutri-cal off my fingers, so that's something I suppose. Jenn ~~~ Yesterday I took in two severely neglected Persians. They both have been groomed (shaved and de-bugged), and one has had a full vetting (shots and neuter, but not FELV tested). Anyways, the one I spent all the money on, he was so matted that when they shaved him, his hair came off al in one piece. It literally looks like someone has skinned a cat, the hair came off in ONE BIG MATT! I didn't have enough money to get them both UTD of everything and both neutered, so the other one just had a haircut and revolution treatment for fleas and earmites. So, they are both much more comfortable now. Just wanted to share my newest arrivals with you guys. I have NO idea if they are FELV+ or not, ran out of funds for testing. Anyways, I converted one of our closets into a isolation unit. You guys may be interested in this, it really works great. It's a average sized clothes closet, I took out the shelves and the clothes rod, and removed the wood door. Then I took an old glass storm window from storage and it fit right into the door frame, but only goes 3/4 of the way up the doorway. I made a little frame of rabbit wire and wood to cover the upper 1/4 of the doorway, and I secured the wire part to the top of the doorframe with wood screws, so it can flap up from the bottom. Then I just angled in two wood screws in front of the glass storm door frame in the doorframe, so all I have to do is unscrew two screws (I only screw them in about halfway), and the "door" is easily removed. I added a clamp lamp on one of the wood supports that held up the shelves. Now I have a nice 2x5 isolation room with a glass door I can see through to check up on the cats through, but my cats can't get nose-to-nose with the new cats through. They can see each other, and get to know each other, but with a solid glass barrier between them. It really works great. I put the old beat up foster and smith cat tree in there, it has two levels, a half-round cup and a solid tunnel, and now they have a place to get off the floor. I couldn't have done any better, if I do say so myself! Just had to share with you guys, I think it's a genius idea, and what's the best is it doesn't consume any more floor space than before. I added two more cats without any loss of space. Who knew closets could be converted into cat rooms so easily! It looks surprisingly professional! Jenn No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 4/29/2005
Re: my two newest rescues
Tad, On my IBD list, feeding cats any veggies or grains is a big no no and will get you pounced on immediately, if you mention it. There's nothing toxic about it as far as I know, but a lot of cats with IBD have alergic/sensitivities to different foods and so they stay as close to a "wild" diet as possible, hence their being such big fans of raw. Nina Tad Burnett wrote: Perhaps this is a good time to ask a question that I have... People on this group have recomended the Liver Shake... Basicaly equal volume of liver and V8 tomato juice I gave it to Baby Kitten the last couple weeks of her life in the form of A/D and V8...1/4 juice and 3/4 A/D It seems that the V8 improves the flavor so that a cat will eat when it won't eat anything else... On the Feline Assisted Feeding Group there is a cat that had stopped eating...The vet suggested A/D.. She atefor a couple days then stopped again... I suggested adding a little V8 to A/D which sure worked for Baby Kitten... But the owner of the group jumped all over me for giving tomato juice to a cat...My reply argument that it was recomended on here got monitored and not posted to the list Now I don't know what to believe...It got my Kitty eating but then my Kitty died 2 weeks later...I think she was too sick from FeLV problems but I strongly believe it bought her 2 weeks of quality life... For Jenns cat...Pursians, like siamese which I have, can be very picky about their food and switching it...Perhaps they have been feed the cheapest food you can by..Might be worth trying a couple differant types before you start force feeding.. Force feeding can really turn a cat off from eating If you dare try the V8 I bet it will work... But they do need to eat something soon...Its not good for them to go much over a day without eating... For a 10 pound cat one 5.5 oz can of food per day is a good starting point...Watch weight from there Tad
Re: my two newest rescues
great idea, jenn for years, i've used screen doors on the rooms i wanted to keep cat-free (yeah, right), or needed to use as introduction rooms keeps the forevers from feeling left out cuz they can see me, and is a great way for new cats to meet without trauma. i've never had viruses or illness to protect against, so the screening has worked fine. -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT: Staff take more time off for ill pets than relatives
i'm trained as a grief counselor, and specialize in unsanctioned grief--which includes pets, gay/lesbian relationships, foster children leaving, miscarriage, etc. there was one study done where people were asked what the appropriate amount of time one should mourn for a parent. the answer (this still blows me away) TEN HOURS. so we expect people to understand about our furkids?? -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT: Staff take more time off for ill pets than relatives
Unbelievable. It takes me longer than 10 hours to get over the loss of a celebrity that I like and have never met! Very interesting about you being a grief counselor.. I should have guessed based on the extent I've gotten to know you, that you'd be involved in something as worthwhile as that. I'm sure it's difficult in many ways, but when your head exhaustedly hits the pillow at night it must be very rewarding to know you've made a quality difference in people's lives. Thank you Mary Christine for your contribution to the planet, Nina TenHouseCats wrote: i'm trained as a grief counselor, and specialize in unsanctioned grief--which includes pets, gay/lesbian relationships, foster children leaving, miscarriage, etc. there was one study done where people were asked what the appropriate amount of time one should mourn for a parent. the answer (this still blows me away) TEN HOURS. so we expect people to understand about our furkids??
Re: OT: Staff take more time off for ill pets than relatives
thank you, nina. i'm speechless. allowing people to mourn/process transition (of whatever sort--anything that changes how we identify ourselves is a loss of sorts, even the good things) seems such an obvious human need. of course, i feel the same way about loving one another, too -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT: Staff take more time off for ill pets than relatives
WOW - right. When my boyfriend died in 1994, after being ill with cancer for a year and a half, a couple of people suggested that I was probably glad he was gone. Probably thinking I was tired of dealing with the illness. But it was so awful to hear someone say that - ya know - you must be glad that he's gone - as it wasn't my experience at all. Like yuk. And things like Well, ya gotta just move on and so on. Zowie. Someone asked me what seemed appropriate to me - it's something like I'm so sorry for your loss or I'm so sad xxx is gone and so on. Gloria At 02:51 PM 4/30/2005, you wrote: MC, I'd be interested to see that list, (even though it will probably churn my stomach). I've never been trained in grief counseling, and even though it's difficult, I do my best to reach out to those in sadness or trouble. I'm sure just having a sympathetic, nonjudgmental ear, helps, but, I'd like to make sure I'm not inadvertently saying something that would do more harm than good. I love the Goddess forbid, very telling :). Nina TenHouseCats wrote: it's one of the reasons we have daily, 365.25 days a year pet-loss support chats at pethobbyist don't get me started on our culture that so fears death that it chooses to belittle it than deal with it someplace i have a list of the least-helpful things people say to others when they lose a loved one (of any species)--and research shows that something ridiculous like 80% of what people say to someone in mourning IS more hurtful than helpful! it's a huge issue in the disability community, too--duh, gee, you mean that someone who suddenly can't support themselves and their families, whose body no longer does what they've always counted on its doing might be upset? or depressed? or, goddess forbid, ANGRY -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Nutrigest ingredients
I just sent the ingredients of Nutri-gest, (I've mentioned the supplement before), to Angela, Jenn's friend with Bazil the cat needing a liquid diet. I figured as long as I took the time to write them out, and noticed that licorice, which we just talked about, is in it, someone on our list might be interested. Nina Nutri-Gest Rx vitamines Inc. Larchmont NY 10538 www.naturaldvm.com Robert J. Silver DVM Ingredients: Probiotic Cultures500 mil viable cells L. Glutamine200 mg Cats Claw 150 mg N-acetyl D glucosmine150mg Calcium Pantothenate 100mg Ginger 50mg Frutooligosacoharide (fos) 50mg Oregon Grape Root 25mg Garlic 25mg Psyllium seed25mg Aloe Extract25mg Licorice (DGL) 25mg Folic Acid 50mg Vitamin A 100 IU (?) cant read amount clearly!
Re: OT: Staff take more time off for ill pets than relatives
I think I've changed my mind. Maybe I don't want to see that list after all. I forget how insensitive some well meaning people can be! Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: WOW - right. When my boyfriend died in 1994, after being ill with cancer for a year and a half, a couple of people suggested that I was probably glad he was gone. Probably thinking I was tired of dealing with the illness. But it was so awful to hear someone say that - ya know - you must be glad that he's gone - as it wasn't my experience at all. Like yuk. And things like Well, ya gotta just move on and so on. Zowie. Someone asked me what seemed appropriate to me - it's something like I'm so sorry for your loss or I'm so sad xxx is gone and so on. Gloria At 02:51 PM 4/30/2005, you wrote: MC, I'd be interested to see that list, (even though it will probably churn my stomach). I've never been trained in grief counseling, and even though it's difficult, I do my best to reach out to those in sadness or trouble. I'm sure just having a sympathetic, nonjudgmental ear, helps, but, I'd like to make sure I'm not inadvertently saying something that would do more harm than good. I love the Goddess forbid, very telling :). Nina
Re: OT: Staff take more time off for ill pets than relatives
words are so inadequate gloria's suggestions are indeed the best i tell people i'm there if they need to talk or cry or scream; i'll also ask them (usually after the initial shock is over and they can think!) if there's anything specific i can do for them. everyone's experience is different, everyone's process is different--they are the best judge of what they need. letting them know in a way they can hear that you DO care is what's important. the number one, least-helpful thing on the list is, i know exactly what you're going through. well, no, you may know what YOU went through in a seemingly similar situation--saying that to someone tends to make them feel minimized the two most useful things others can do is to listen--over and over and over again, often--people need to make the experience real, and most folks are NOT willing to just listen. that, and just give them permission to grieve, to hurt, to cry, to be depressed--in truth, there are no wrong ways to grieve, short of hurting one's own self or others. denial serves a purpose; anger does as well--about the only thing that's really counterproductive is to STAY in denial. but even that is impossible to judge for someone else knowing it's okay to talk to you, tho, will make it much more likely that the person will pass through denial. it's so hard for people to talk about feelings, and you can't really force them to--just let them know you are available. offer them a list of phone support lines for pet-loss, on-line or local groups--then let them decide. when the loss is one of our critters, everyone is so different--some can't be with the animal when it's euthanized, others can't conceive of NOT being there. some need to go right out and get another cat or dog, others need to wait, and others refuse to ever love another critter that's gonna leave them. some find great peace in looking at photos of their bridge babies, others cannot bear to. think about what helped you get through a loss--and what did NOT; think about what you wish someone had said or done for you. part of giving permission to grieve is sharing your own stories--it can help the person realize their feelings ARE safe with you--but be sensitive: they probably do NOT need to hear your horror stories of the vet from hell, nor feel that they have to comfort you! if you knew the animal, talking about the silly and good times with the animal can be really helpful. yes, it brings up initial sadness about the critter's being gone, but it's a good way to remind everyone that the better times far outweigh the bad, and that the critter truly lives on in the hearts of those who knew and loved it. laughing about the cat who flooded the kitchen can be a good thing! no offense intended, but hard-core god stuff--of whatever flavor--usually is NOT a good idea unless you know that the person shares your belief system... i was a dog/cat mom for almost 20 years before i ever heard of the rainbow bridge--most people find a copy of the poem comforting and non-threatening. even if they don't believe it, it's a gentle way of showing you do care... and take care of yourself, too--listening can be hard work, especially when it is the 100th time you've heard the story--if you start to burn out, running screaming out of the room is generally not considered a therapeutic response... i personally don't buy the concept of pathological grief, because it's used as a weapon against dealing with the reality and terror of deep feelings--but if there's no progress, and you are being drained, find yourself someone to talk to; get some ideas on how best to support yourself. this might be the time to introduce your friend to a local pet-loss group, or an on-line chat or message board usually, however, it will not come to this point--just feeling safe enough to talk to someone who won't say, it was only a cat/horse/boyfriend, you can always get another one allows a person to go through the inevitable process of acceptance (and need i say that i live in fear of the day i have to be empathic to someone who's just lost their beloved tarantula??) -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: Need placement - with location this time!!
Hi Barb, I have a stray also that I found about three months ago and can't find him a home. I had pretty good luck with runing an ad in the newspaper, but turned down 5 people. The only thing is that the ad runs $35 to $45 a week. I have 4 non-positive and "Tom", the one that came up is positive and I have been mixing them. I just hope pray that none of them get felv from Tom. He sure is a great cat. I will kep trying. Here lately, I have been going to a different church every Sunday and posting an ad with his picture on it and I had two response. One who's vet told her not to take him and another that decided she wanted a baby kitten. At least the church thing is working out, since I am getting a response. Good Luck with yours. Barbara BaassBarbara Carnahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel pretty stupid - forgot to put my location on the following post!! I am located in Horsham, PA - about 15 minutes NW of Philadelphia. I will help with any transportation needed if Harbour finds a good home!!! Thanks! Barb Carnahan -- Original message -- Hi, I found a stray cat this week that is an absolute sweetheart - and unfortunately is FeLV positive. She is about 4 to 5 years old, black and white, and one of the most affectionate cats I have ever met. I would love to bring her home, but already have 2 cats and 2 dogs. The cat, whom we have named Harbour after the restaurant where I found her, does seem to be frightened of dogs of all sizes. Harbour is currently staying at the vet hospital where I work, but I can't keep her there much longer due to a lack of cage space. She seems healthy, eating well, active. She is extremely friendly and talks to those who pass by her cage. I can't bear the thought of euthanasia, so I must find her a place to go ASAP. Can anyone here help me??Barb Carnahan[EMAIL PROTECTED] __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com image/jpeg
Re: OT: Staff take more time off for ill pets than relatives
Gag, I'd forgotten about that one! Good words, MC - keep it up - BTW, I drove by a Parrot Rescue in Texarkana (TX or AR) yesterday. Gloria At 04:09 PM 4/30/2005, you wrote: ... it was only a cat/horse/boyfriend, you can always get another one allows a person to go through the inevitable process of acceptance (and need i say that i live in fear of the day i have to be empathic to someone who's just lost their beloved tarantula??) -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Need placement - with location this time!!
I've thought about that - going to different churches - so glad to know it's worked out pretty well. I've used book stores and health food stores - got some takers that way. Might try the local yahoo cat list too for PA or the Phillie area. Gloria At 04:56 PM 4/30/2005, you wrote: Hi Barb, I have a stray also that I found about three months ago and can't find him a home. I had pretty good luck with runing an ad in the newspaper, but turned down 5 people. The only thing is that the ad runs $35 to $45 a week. I have 4 non-positive and Tom, the one that came up is positive and I have been mixing them. I just hope pray that none of them get felv from Tom. He sure is a great cat. I will kep trying. Here lately, I have been going to a different church every Sunday and posting an ad with his picture on it and I had two response. One who's vet told her not to take him and another that decided she wanted a baby kitten. At least the church thing is working out, since I am getting a response. Good Luck with yours. Barbara Baass Barbara Carnahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel pretty stupid - forgot to put my location on the following post!! I am located in Horsham, PA - about 15 minutes NW of Philadelphia. I will help with any transportation needed if Harbour finds a good home!!! Thanks! Barb Carnahan -- Original message -- Hi, I found a stray cat this week that is an absolute sweetheart - and unfortunately is FeLV positive. She is about 4 to 5 years old, black and white, and one of the most affectionate cats I have ever met. I would love to bring her home, but already have 2 cats and 2 dogs. The cat, whom we have named Harbour after the restaurant where I found her, does seem to be frightened of dogs of all sizes. Harbour is currently staying at the vet hospital where I work, but I can't keep her there much longer due to a lack of cage space. She seems healthy, eating well, active. She is extremely friendly and talks to those who pass by her cage. I can't bear the thought of euthanasia, so I must find her a place to go ASAP. Can anyone here help me?? Barb Carnahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: OT: LAYING IN THE KITTY LITTER BOX
LOL! It totally pisses me off when I vacuum the couch and cover it with a sheet, and IMMEDIATELY someone jumps up there and crawls under the sheet and lays down. lol. By the time I'm home from work the sheet is just a jumble on the sofa and someone has peed on it for good measure! t"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. I don't vacuum when they're in the room in question(andnever vacuum the carpet in the feral FELV room--that'salways a hands and knees job). I don't change or make the bed ifa catis on it. And if each sofa is occupied by a reclining cat (there are 3 sofas in the living-roomand 3 cats with access to that space) I...um...sit on the floor...(When the sofas first arrived years ago and they "figured out" it was one for each of them you should have seen the way they raced toget their first choice). In the old days I used to diligently spread sheets overthe sofasbefore going to work until I realized theyloved running around (and then collapsing) UNDER the sheets. Friends of mine don't allow their cats on the furniture. What fun is that? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Friday, April 29, 2005 12:04 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: LAYING IN THE KITTY LITTER BOXHa! Isn't it incredible what we do to not disturb Their Royal Highnesses? Whenever I'm scrunched into some ungodly pretzel position in bed, or have to go to the bathroom, but there's a cat on my lap, I try to remember how quick they are to disturb me with a back-claw-launch if there's something they're interested in.NinaCherie A Gabbert wrote: I have had Cleo since Nov 04 and no she never did this before, but she came from my moms house. The last new addition was at the end of March so I do not think it is that, but since then all has been ok, she is sleeping in my chair right now, she is not even letting me sit, I am typing standing up ;-))CherieThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: my two newest rescues
Ahh, that's a good idea! I will add a cardboard box for them to hide in! Thanks! Jenn ~~~I forgot to ask, do they have a dark place to hid in/under in the closet? Maybe you could try leaving the food in there. If they feel safer in a hiding place, they may be more apt to eat when you're not observing. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 4/29/2005
Kyle, how's Brissle tonight?
Thinking about her... Michelle
Re: my two newest rescues
Well, they have been fed. They actually didn't do too bad, really, once they realized it tasted good. I'm not used to Persian faces though, and it took me a few minutes to realize that you can't force the mouth open from the side like in most cats because they have weird shaped jaws, however, their bottom teeth stick out more than the top (an overbite?) and if you just put the syringein the front, and pull slightly down on the bottom teeth, they open right up. After the first little bit, they would just lick it up if I just squeezed it out right on their upper lip. Persians can't lick their bottom jaw, I don't think, at least these two seem to not be able to, but they can lick over the top of their nose. LOL, cute little gremlins! After I got 9 CC's each of a California Natural canned cat food, Nutri-Cal, and water mix down them, they seemed to perk up a bit. I let it go at just that little bit for now, and of course left some free-choice. I closed off the livingroom, and gave them about 5 minutes of "check it out" time, and they were walking around and being a bit more lively. I was petting Spirit after I fed him, and after just a few minutes of me reassuring him, he began tosnuggle up and really get into it. He even came to me to be petted more after he explored a few minutes. I've got them back in isolation now, and I covered the glass with a sheet, so they can have some privacy. Maybe they will realize they are hungry now that they got a bit more relaxed. I'm really worried about the rescue taking them now, what IF they turn out to be FELV or FIV+? I'm going to have to ask the rescue if they keep FELV+ cats, because if they might be euthanised, I'd hate to give them to that rescue. I wish I had enough money to get them tested before the rescue arranges transport! (All I need is ANY excuse to allow myself permission to keep Spirit, and I would! He's really growing on me.) Jenn ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 4/29/2005
Re: my two newest rescues
Guess what?! When I just checked on them, the plate of soft food I had left was GONE! At least one of the ATE! Whoo-hooo! I'm going to put another plate of food in there before I go to bed, I don't want to give them too much after not eating for days, I'd hate for them to over-do it and puke up everything they ate. Thanks for the suggestion of giving them privacy! It really worked! I thought it would have been mean to close them in the closet with no way to see out, but I guess they wanted the security. Jenn ~~~ Well, they have been fed. They actually didn't do too bad, really, once they realized it tasted good. I'm not used to Persian faces though, and it took me a few minutes to realize that you can't force the mouth open from the side like in most cats because they have weird shaped jaws, however, their bottom teeth stick out more than the top (an overbite?) and if you just put the syringein the front, and pull slightly down on the bottom teeth, they open right up. After the first little bit, they would just lick it up if I just squeezed it out right on their upper lip. Persians can't lick their bottom jaw, I don't think, at least these two seem to not be able to, but they can lick over the top of their nose. LOL, cute little gremlins! After I got 9 CC's each of a California Natural canned cat food, Nutri-Cal, and water mix down them, they seemed to perk up a bit. I let it go at just that little bit for now, and of course left some free-choice. I closed off the livingroom, and gave them about 5 minutes of "check it out" time, and they were walking around and being a bit more lively. I was petting Spirit after I fed him, and after just a few minutes of me reassuring him, he began tosnuggle up and really get into it. He even came to me to be petted more after he explored a few minutes. I've got them back in isolation now, and I covered the glass with a sheet, so they can have some privacy. Maybe they will realize they are hungry now that they got a bit more relaxed. I'm really worried about the rescue taking them now, what IF they turn out to be FELV or FIV+? I'm going to have to ask the rescue if they keep FELV+ cats, because if they might be euthanised, I'd hate to give them to that rescue. I wish I had enough money to get them tested before the rescue arranges transport! (All I need is ANY excuse to allow myself permission to keep Spirit, and I would! He's really growing on me.) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 4/29/2005
liver shake- new rescues
All I know it that a lot of people on the list have used the liver shake with no adverse effects. The only problem I can think of is if onion is in the v8 or tomato juice tonyaTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps this is a good time to ask a question that I have...People on this group have recomended the Liver Shake...Basicaly equal volume of liver and V8 tomato juiceI gave it to Baby Kitten the last couple weeks of her lifein the form of A/D and V8...1/4 juice and 3/4 A/DIt seems that the V8 improves the flavor so that a catwill eat when it won't eat anything else...On the Feline Assisted Feeding Group there is a catthat had stopped eating...The vet suggested A/D..She atefor a couple days then stopped again...I suggested adding a little V8 to A/D which sureworked for Baby Kitten...But the owner of the group jumped all over me forgiving tomato juice to a cat...My reply argument thatit was recomended on here got monitored and not postedto the listNow I don't know what to believe...It got my Kitty eatingbut then my Kitty died 2 weeks later...I think she was toosick from FeLV problems but I strongly believe it boughther 2 weeks of quality life...For Jenns cat...Pursians, like siamese which I have, can be verypicky about their food and switching it...Perhaps they havebeen feed the cheapest food you can by..Might be worthtrying a couple differant types before you start force feeding..Force feeding can really turn a cat off from eatingIf you dare try the V8 I bet it will work...But they do need to eat something soon...Its not good forthem to go much over a day without eating...For a 10 pound cat one 5.5 oz can of food per day is a goodstarting point...Watch weight from thereTad[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoops, I forgot to use the right email address... this is by me, guys! Anyways, this is the 3rd day and they don't seem to be eating or drinking, so if you guys could remind me the required minimal amount of water I need to force feed for a 10 pound cat, that would be great. They will lick Nutri-cal off my fingers, so that's something I suppose. Jenn ~~~ Yesterday I took in two severely neglected Persians. They both have been groomed (shaved and de-bugged), and one has had a full vetting (shots and neuter, but not FELV tested). Anyways, the one I spent all the money on, he was so matted that when they shaved him, his hair came off al in one piece. It literally looks like someone has skinned a cat, the hair came off in ONE BIG MATT! I didn't have enough money to get them both UTD of everything and both neutered, so the other one just had a haircut and revolution treatment for fleas and earmites. So, they are both much more comfortable now. Just wanted to share my newest arrivals with you guys. I have NO idea if they are FELV+ or not, ran out of funds for testing. Anyways, I converted one of our closets into a isolation unit. You guys may be interested in this, it really works great. It's a average sized clothes closet, I took out the shelves and the clothes rod, and removed the wood door. Then I took an old glass storm window from storage and it fit right into the door frame, but only goes 3/4 of the way up the doorway. I made a little frame of rabbit wire and wood to cover the upper 1/4 of the doorway, and I secured the wire part to the top of the doorframe with wood screws, so it can flap up from the bottom. Then I just angled in two wood screws in front of the glass storm door frame in the doorframe, so all I have to do is unscrew two screws (I only screw them in about halfway), and the "door" is easily removed. I added a clamp lamp on one of the wood supports that held up the shelves. Now I have a nice 2x5 isolation room with a glass door I can see through to check up on the cats through, but my cats can't get nose-to-nose with the new cats through. They can see each other, and get to know each other, but with a solid glass barrier between them. It really works great. I put the old beat up foster and smith cat tree in there, it has two levels, a half-round cup and a solid tunnel, and now they have a place to get off the floor. I couldn't have done any better, if I do say so myself! Just had to share with you guys, I think it's a genius idea, and what's the best is it doesn't consume any more floor space than before. I added two more cats without any loss of space. Who knew closets could be converted into cat rooms so easily! It looks surprisingly professional! Jenn No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 4/29/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 4/29/2005
