Re: Mylo's Passing
Dear Chris, I am so sorry you lost Mylo. It takes time to grieve and allow yourself the full feelings of missing him. At some point you will know in your heart and remember the joyous times you had. But now, just let yourself miss him. The other feelings will come in time. Take care, Gina Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for your email and everyone on the list that has offered kind, supportive words. I guess the best way to look at it is to cherish and remember the joy they brought to our lives and that should out-way letting them go. Ideally, that would be a good way to look at it, but we all know that can be difficult at times. So we just need to tell ourselves it was worth it. I'm glad Mylo was in my life. Maybe if he was with another family then he may have not been as loved...who knows. Maybe I made his life a bit better than it would have been otherwise and for that I have to sayit was worth it. Chris From: Paolo Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Mylo's Passing Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:06:59 +0100 Chris, I too went through that, too much times... and every time, one just cannot believe it hurts so much, and to bear it once more seems impossible... but... Today, while I was at the vet's with Rompi, there was a lady with a black kitty, female, two years old, with asthma... she was black with a small white whiff under her neck... she was just so MAGIC, with that look in her eyes, so tender... the look of the good cat. I was about to steal her right there! :) In that moment I understood that, notwithstanding anything, it's impossible to live without cats, and that the horrible, exhausting experience of letting them go is the toll for what we have received from them during their life. We could discuss if that toll is fair or too high, but that's it. Paolo P.S. I'm going to call the vet's to ask when the black kitty with asthma is scheduled next time... ;) _ Windows Live Spaces: share your New Year pictures! http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA Visit my Tigger Tales site! - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.
Re: OT - Please pray for Missy
She is a precious baby, so cute! I am sorry about this Kelley. What is her prognosis? I am unfamiliar with heart disease in cats. I will keep her in my prayers. Gina Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please pray or send healing thoughts to Missy, or whatever your personal beliefs allow. She went to the cardiologist today. Here is her diagnosis: Diagnosis: Congenital heart disease. Missy has a large atrial septal defect/ventricular septal defect (8 mm) a hole in the lower atrial septal and upper ventricular septal wall where the chambers join which allows blood to shunt right to left and left to right in the heart. Her heart chambers are dialated and her pulmonary artery and veins are dilated. Her right ventricular wall is mildly thickened. The defects can lead to congenital heart disease (CHF) with fluid retention in the lungs, chest cavity and/or abdomen. Therefore I would recommend starting her on a low dose of furosemide. She called in a prescription of furosemide 10 mg/ml .3 mg once daily. Here is Missy's picture, for those who haven't seen it. http://www.moonvine.net/missy -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Visit my Tigger Tales site! - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.
RE: OT - Please pray for Missy
Hi Kelley, Sending healing thoughts for your little Missy. Do you know what grade her heart murmur is? My Moxie has a grade one murmur and is noticeably smaller than her siblings. If it is still there at her one year we plan to have it checked out by a cardiologist. How old is Missy? I remembered her picture from before, love those cute ear tufts! Best wishes, Beth
what would you do?
So through yesterday Lucy continued to purr and eat and occasionally slowly walk to the litterbox or another room. She is very fatigued, probably from her anemia. Hideyo had said that giving the feline interferon every day seemed to help Dharma feel better, so I gave Lucy the feline interferon for the second day in a row yesterday afternoon. In the evening, she was much more out of it. Still no fevers though. So at about 10 pm I gave her a dexamethasone shot that I got from the vet. I was planning, if I thought she definintely has fip (which is seeming more and more likely) to put her on steroid shots to make her more comfortable. Well, this is the second time she got a dex shot, the other time being Tuesday after getting some fluids drained. Last night, like Tuesday, she got a fever about an hour after getting the dex shot, and all the congestion came back to her nose. Although it does not really make sense according to the vet, I am positive now that the return of fevers and congestion comes from the dex shots. But, like last time, when I got up in the early morning she was at the top of the 6 foot tall cat tree, and purring. She has been there all morning. She has meowed a few times, which she normally did a lot while healthy, and purrs, and has eaten a little, but generally looks the same as she did before getting the additional feline interferon and dexamethasone, only at the top of the cat tree rather than on a cat bed on the floor. Clearly she got some burst of energy, but I think it is rather temporary. So I am trying to decide, now, whether to switch her from oral prednisolone to dexamathasone shots. I did read in the archives of one of the FIP lists that a cat with presumptive dry FIP (all the signs and lab work, but no tissue biopsy) was put on strong dexamethasone instead of pred and after a couple of months went into remission and is still in remission 2 years later. And dex gives Lucy at least a small period of energy, clearly, a few hours after getting the shot. And another potential upside is that if it reduces her fip-induced inflammation more than the pred, it could give the epogen more of a chance to work, as epogen apparently does not work well if there is a lot of inflammation because inflammation causes sequestering of iron, even when iron is added (I am giving pet tinic and folic acid). And anemia may be what is likely to kill her first. Those are the potential upsides of giving dexamethasone instead of pred. Here are the downsides: She seems to get temporary fevers from the dex, and she seems to feel pretty miserable while she has the fevers (and I need to give her some fluids, which may increase her belly effusion, and put ice on her, which she doe snot like). So far she had fever last night for a couple of hours. Last time the fever came back the following afternoon, so I will need to see if that happens today. Also, she looks a little bit wired-- her expression. Then, she seems to get some of her URI symptoms back from the dex, like some congestion in her nose. Finally, she is still on clindamycin in case this is toxo. It is looking less and less like toxo, but I can not find a way of telling for sure and sometimes the antibiotics do not make a big difference for a few weeks. Even high doses of pred like she was on is bad for treating toxo, but dex is the worst-- when lab researchers induce toxo in animals to study it (horrible, I know), they bring out the clinical symptoms (most animals do not actually get sick just from being infected with toxo) by giving them dexamethasone. So giving dex is a definite giving up on the abx doing anything. Also, Lucy is on feline interferon, and it is unclear what being on dexamethasone would do to the chances of the feline interferon helping her in any way, whether prolonging life or just making her feel better. Feline interferon is normally given with some prednisone, but lower dosage of pred than Lucy has been getting, much less dexamethasone. They do not know why the feline interferon helps sometimes with fip. In one theory it is anti-viral, which means that increasing steroids would decrease its ability to work. In the other theory it modulates the immune system and therefore controls inflammation when the immune system is out of control like with fip, in which case steroids would work in conjunction with it rather than against it. But all of the success stories (of which there are only a few) of feline interferon curing fip or giving long remissions have been with using it in conjunction with less pred than Lucy was on. None with dex, though I do not think it has been tried with dex. So what would you do? Switch to dex or keep her on the pred? I have never had a doubt before about this when I thought my cats were in their last stages that it was the right thing to give heavy
Re: what would you do?
coincidence or not, she also seems to be eating less since I gave her the dex. Perhaps because of the congestion. Michelle
Re: what would you do?
the thing that's so crazy-making here is that there are SO many possible things going on, and so many medications involved, that it's really impossible to know what's causing what. in every creature--human included--some will have idiosyncratic responses to medications, no matter how many experts say it can't happen. on the other paw, for all you really know, the dex has nothing to do with her fevers--she may have been getting night-time low-grade fevers for years as part of her own body chemistry, and you just had no reason to notice it so hard to know what to do. i personally prefer to go with dex usually, partially because my cats take injectibles much more gracefully than pills, and dex seems to be so quick-acting. but i guess you have to weigh WHICH option has the GREATEST chance of sucess--the interferon, or the epogen? is feeling better temporarily to be preferred over GETTING better? (would her healing be better served by letting her stay eating and purring and less active?) in other words, i only have more questions for you, no answers. continuing to send GLOW On 2/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: coincidence or not, she also seems to be eating less since I gave her the dex. Perhaps because of the congestion. Michelle -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: what would you do?
no, I have been very attentive to her temperature since this whole thing started a few weeks ago, and she definitely has not been getting fevers in the past week at least except after getting dex. I specifically waited days between dex shots to monitor this, and she did not get feverish at all the night she did not get it. as for the other questions, I have no idea... thanks for responding, michelle In a message dated 2/2/2007 10:15:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the thing that's so crazy-making here is that there are SO many possible things going on, and so many medications involved, that it's really impossible to know what's causing what. in every creature--human included--some will have idiosyncratic responses to medications, no matter how many experts say it can't happen. on the other paw, for all you really know, the dex has nothing to do with her fevers--she may have been getting night-time low-grade fevers for years as part of her own body chemistry, and you just had no reason to notice it so hard to know what to do. i personally prefer to go with dex usually, partially because my cats take injectibles much more gracefully than pills, and dex seems to be so quick-acting. but i guess you have to weigh WHICH option has the GREATEST chance of sucess--the interferon, or the epogen? is feeling better temporarily to be preferred over GETTING better? (would her healing be better served by letting her stay eating and purring and less active?) in other words, i only have more questions for you, no answers. continuing to send GLOW
RE: what would you do?
Michelle - I think steroid destroys all her immune systems and she may not have enough of her own to fight against URIs - so watch out.. Dharma and Naomi both got sicker as their URIs (green discharge) came back form their nose and couldn't get rid of it and that was towards the end of their illness - Lucy WILL need a good immune system to fight off - what she has if she has FIP, extreme unbalance of good and bad immune systems.. as steroid may kiil bad ones and may kill good ones too.. and they develop secondary illness due to that and their body is not strong enough to fight against and sometime that's what kill them, too.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 7:42 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: what would you do? So through yesterday Lucy continued to purr and eat and occasionally slowly walk to the litterbox or another room. She is very fatigued, probably from her anemia. Hideyo had said that giving the feline interferon every day seemed to help Dharma feel better, so I gave Lucy the feline interferon for the second day in a row yesterday afternoon. In the evening, she was much more out of it. Still no fevers though. So at about 10 pm I gave her a dexamethasone shot that I got from the vet. I was planning, if I thought she definintely has fip (which is seeming more and more likely) to put her on steroid shots to make her more comfortable. Well, this is the second time she got a dex shot, the other time being Tuesday after getting some fluids drained. Last night, like Tuesday, she got a fever about an hour after getting the dex shot, and all the congestion came back to her nose. Although it does not really make sense according to the vet, I am positive now that the return of fevers and congestion comes from the dex shots. But, like last time, when I got up in the early morning she was at the top of the 6 foot tall cat tree, and purring. She has been there all morning. She has meowed a few times, which she normally did a lot while healthy, and purrs, and has eaten a little, but generally looks the same as she did before getting the additional feline interferon and dexamethasone, only at the top of the cat tree rather than on a cat bed on the floor. Clearly she got some burst of energy, but I think it is rather temporary. So I am trying to decide, now, whether to switch her from oral prednisolone to dexamathasone shots. I did read in the archives of one of the FIP lists that a cat with presumptive dry FIP (all the signs and lab work, but no tissue biopsy) was put on strong dexamethasone instead of pred and after a couple of months went into remission and is still in remission 2 years later. And dex gives Lucy at least a small period of energy, clearly, a few hours after getting the shot. And another potential upside is that if it reduces her fip-induced inflammation more than the pred, it could give the epogen more of a chance to work, as epogen apparently does not work well if there is a lot of inflammation because inflammation causes sequestering of iron, even when iron is added (I am giving pet tinic and folic acid). And anemia may be what is likely to kill her first. Those are the potential upsides of giving dexamethasone instead of pred. Here are the downsides: She seems to get temporary fevers from the dex, and she seems to feel pretty miserable while she has the fevers (and I need to give her some fluids, which may increase her belly effusion, and put ice on her, which she doe snot like). So far she had fever last night for a couple of hours. Last time the fever came back the following afternoon, so I will need to see if that happens today. Also, she looks a little bit wired-- her expression. Then, she seems to get some of her URI symptoms back from the dex, like some congestion in her nose. Finally, she is still on clindamycin in case this is toxo. It is looking less and less like toxo, but I can not find a way of telling for sure and sometimes the antibiotics do not make a big difference for a few weeks. Even high doses of pred like she was on is bad for treating toxo, but dex is the worst-- when lab researchers induce toxo in animals to study it (horrible, I know), they bring out the clinical symptoms (most animals do not actually get sick just from being infected with toxo) by giving them dexamethasone. So giving dex is a definite giving up on the abx doing anything. Also, Lucy is on feline interferon, and it is unclear what being on dexamethasone would do to the chances of the feline interferon helping her in any way, whether prolonging life or just making her feel better. Feline interferon is normally given with some prednisone, but lower dosage of pred than Lucy has been getting, much less dexamethasone. They do not know why the feline interferon helps sometimes with fip. In one theory it is anti-viral, which means that increasing steroids would decrease its
RE: Acemannan... D**N!!!
Paolo, I called the doctor and he called me back (what a nice guy he is) Anyway, he never heard of the side effects but he cannot rule out completely. He said that lots of vets do use this for all different type of cancers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paolo Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Acemannan... D**N!!! Hideyo, I am going to sleep because for today I have given all I could give... Please, I ask you one last favour, I will read it tomorrow morning before going to work, now I simply do not have the time to do it by myself (it's 23:15 over here). Please post the summarized history of Jojo, FIV/FeLV status, what you know of the tumor(s) [number/position] but especially HOW you administered Acemannan: - WHERE (point or points of injection) - HOW MANY TIMES and TIME INTERVAL IN BETWEEN (if more than once) - DOSES (if you remember it) - TIME BETWEEN SHOT(S) AND REGRESSION OF TUMOR(S) I need these data in order to have something CONCRETE to submit to the oncologist. Now I can go to bed and faint... Paolo
Re: what would you do?
Hi Michelle, I tend to lean toward pred. and FOI as her best chance, but I have no experience with Dex., so I really don't know. Is the Dex a daily shot? Can you try it one or two more times and see if she continues to get that burst of energy from it, and if the fevers/congestion get worse stop it and switch to pred? Hugs, Beth
Re: what would you do?
Keep in mind too -- dexamethasone is ten times stronger than prednisone... elizabeth On 2/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, I have been very attentive to her temperature since this whole thing started a few weeks ago, and she definitely has not been getting fevers in the past week at least except after getting dex. I specifically waited days between dex shots to monitor this, and she did not get feverish at all the night she did not get it. as for the other questions, I have no idea... thanks for responding, michelle In a message dated 2/2/2007 10:15:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the thing that's so crazy-making here is that there are SO many possible things going on, and so many medications involved, that it's really impossible to know what's causing what. in every creature--human included--some will have idiosyncratic responses to medications, no matter how many experts say it can't happen. on the other paw, for all you really know, the dex has nothing to do with her fevers--she may have been getting night-time low-grade fevers for years as part of her own body chemistry, and you just had no reason to notice it so hard to know what to do. i personally prefer to go with dex usually, partially because my cats take injectibles much more gracefully than pills, and dex seems to be so quick-acting. but i guess you have to weigh WHICH option has the GREATEST chance of sucess--the interferon, or the epogen? is feeling better temporarily to be preferred over GETTING better? (would her healing be better served by letting her stay eating and purring and less active?) in other words, i only have more questions for you, no answers. continuing to send GLOW
Re: what would you do?
i'm thinking that she might have been getting low-grade fevers for YEARS before any of this happened--i do, every night, tho i never realized it until i actually got sick with something and started monitoring it! at other times of the day, my body temperature drops down to 96 or lower. i know you've been really aware of it since this started recently, but there might be a natural fluctuation that is being enhanced by whatever current processes are going on. and if fever hadn't been a part of this to start with, how many people would even CHECK to see if a shot of dex was affecting their cat's body temperature? usually when i'm giving dex, that's about the last thing i've ever thought about what i'm trying to say is that the fever might NOT be as huge a problem as some of the other things to consider at this point. On 2/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, I have been very attentive to her temperature since this whole thing started a few weeks ago, and she definitely has not been getting fevers in the past week at least except after getting dex. I specifically waited days between dex shots to monitor this, and she did not get feverish at all the night she did not get it. as for the other questions, I have no idea... thanks for responding, michelle In a message dated 2/2/2007 10:15:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the thing that's so crazy-making here is that there are SO many possible things going on, and so many medications involved, that it's really impossible to know what's causing what. in every creature--human included--some will have idiosyncratic responses to medications, no matter how many experts say it can't happen. on the other paw, for all you really know, the dex has nothing to do with her fevers--she may have been getting night-time low-grade fevers for years as part of her own body chemistry, and you just had no reason to notice it so hard to know what to do. i personally prefer to go with dex usually, partially because my cats take injectibles much more gracefully than pills, and dex seems to be so quick-acting. but i guess you have to weigh WHICH option has the GREATEST chance of sucess--the interferon, or the epogen? is feeling better temporarily to be preferred over GETTING better? (would her healing be better served by letting her stay eating and purring and less active?) in other words, i only have more questions for you, no answers. continuing to send GLOW -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: what would you do?
but it's not that low grade. It's not that I know she is feverish because I take her temp. Hear ears get hot and she gets really out of it and does not want to be touched or to move. I would have noticed this for sure. In a message dated 2/2/2007 10:40:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i'm thinking that she might have been getting low-grade fevers for YEARS before any of this happened--i do, every night, tho i never realized it until i actually got sick with something and started monitoring it! at other times of the day, my body temperature drops down to 96 or lower. i know you've been really aware of it since this started recently, but there might be a natural fluctuation that is being enhanced by whatever current processes are going on. and if fever hadn't been a part of this to start with, how many people would even CHECK to see if a shot of dex was affecting their cat's body temperature? usually when i'm giving dex, that's about the last thing i've ever thought about what i'm trying to say is that the fever might NOT be as huge a problem as some of the other things to consider at this point.
Re: what would you do?
I agree with what Hideyo says. I am no doctor - but I do know for a fact that long-term use of steroids will render the body unable to fight off infection and basically destroys the adrenal system. Long term use of steroids leaves the body unable to produce its own cortisol. On 2/2/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michelle – I think steroid destroys all her immune systems and she may not have enough of her own to fight against URIs – so watch out.. Dharma and Naomi both got sicker as their URIs (green discharge) came back form their nose and couldn't get rid of it and that was towards the end of their illness – Lucy WILL need a good immune system to fight off – what she has if she has FIP, extreme unbalance of good and bad immune systems.. as steroid may kiil bad ones and may kill good ones too.. and they develop secondary illness due to that and their body is not strong enough to fight against and sometime that's what kill them, too.. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, February 02, 2007 7:42 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* what would you do? So through yesterday Lucy continued to purr and eat and occasionally slowly walk to the litterbox or another room. She is very fatigued, probably from her anemia. Hideyo had said that giving the feline interferon every day seemed to help Dharma feel better, so I gave Lucy the feline interferon for the second day in a row yesterday afternoon. In the evening, she was much more out of it. Still no fevers though. So at about 10 pm I gave her a dexamethasone shot that I got from the vet. I was planning, if I thought she definintely has fip (which is seeming more and more likely) to put her on steroid shots to make her more comfortable. Well, this is the second time she got a dex shot, the other time being Tuesday after getting some fluids drained. Last night, like Tuesday, she got a fever about an hour after getting the dex shot, and all the congestion came back to her nose. Although it does not really make sense according to the vet, I am positive now that the return of fevers and congestion comes from the dex shots. But, like last time, when I got up in the early morning she was at the top of the 6 foot tall cat tree, and purring. She has been there all morning. She has meowed a few times, which she normally did a lot while healthy, and purrs, and has eaten a little, but generally looks the same as she did before getting the additional feline interferon and dexamethasone, only at the top of the cat tree rather than on a cat bed on the floor. Clearly she got some burst of energy, but I think it is rather temporary. So I am trying to decide, now, whether to switch her from oral prednisolone to dexamathasone shots. I did read in the archives of one of the FIP lists that a cat with presumptive dry FIP (all the signs and lab work, but no tissue biopsy) was put on strong dexamethasone instead of pred and after a couple of months went into remission and is still in remission 2 years later. And dex gives Lucy at least a small period of energy, clearly, a few hours after getting the shot. And another potential upside is that if it reduces her fip-induced inflammation more than the pred, it could give the epogen more of a chance to work, as epogen apparently does not work well if there is a lot of inflammation because inflammation causes sequestering of iron, even when iron is added (I am giving pet tinic and folic acid). And anemia may be what is likely to kill her first. Those are the potential upsides of giving dexamethasone instead of pred. Here are the downsides: She seems to get temporary fevers from the dex, and she seems to feel pretty miserable while she has the fevers (and I need to give her some fluids, which may increase her belly effusion, and put ice on her, which she doe snot like). So far she had fever last night for a couple of hours. Last time the fever came back the following afternoon, so I will need to see if that happens today. Also, she looks a little bit wired-- her expression. Then, she seems to get some of her URI symptoms back from the dex, like some congestion in her nose. Finally, she is still on clindamycin in case this is toxo. It is looking less and less like toxo, but I can not find a way of telling for sure and sometimes the antibiotics do not make a big difference for a few weeks. Even high doses of pred like she was on is bad for treating toxo, but dex is the worst-- when lab researchers induce toxo in animals to study it (horrible, I know), they bring out the clinical symptoms (most animals do not actually get sick just from being infected with toxo) by giving them dexamethasone. So giving dex is a definite giving up on the abx doing anything. Also, Lucy is on feline interferon, and it is unclear what being on dexamethasone would do to the chances of the feline interferon helping her
Re: what would you do?
Michelle, It sounds like a very hard decision to make. I have no idea between the two which sounds better. When I have a choice to make and have no idea which way to lean, I pray. Praying never fails me. I hope it will help you too. Continued prayers going out for little Lucy and for you as well. You are such a wonderful kitty 'mom'. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So through yesterday Lucy continued to purr and eat and occasionally slowly walk to the litterbox or another room. She is very fatigued, probably from her anemia. Hideyo had said that giving the feline interferon every day seemed to help Dharma feel better, so I gave Lucy the feline interferon for the second day in a row yesterday afternoon. In the evening, she was much more out of it. Still no fevers though. So at about 10 pm I gave her a dexamethasone shot that I got from the vet. I was planning, if I thought she definintely has fip (which is seeming more and more likely) to put her on steroid shots to make her more comfortable. Well, this is the second time she got a dex shot, the other time being Tuesday after getting some fluids drained. Last night, like Tuesday, she got a fever about an hour after getting the dex shot, and all the congestion came back to her nose. Although it does not really make sense according to the vet, I am positive now that the return of fevers and congestion comes from the dex shots. But, like last time, when I got up in the early morning she was at the top of the 6 foot tall cat tree, and purring. She has been there all morning. She has meowed a few times, which she normally did a lot while healthy, and purrs, and has eaten a little, but generally looks the same as she did before getting the additional feline interferon and dexamethasone, only at the top of the cat tree rather than on a cat bed on the floor. Clearly she got some burst of energy, but I think it is rather temporary. So I am trying to decide, now, whether to switch her from oral prednisolone to dexamathasone shots. I did read in the archives of one of the FIP lists that a cat with presumptive dry FIP (all the signs and lab work, but no tissue biopsy) was put on strong dexamethasone instead of pred and after a couple of months went into remission and is still in remission 2 years later. And dex gives Lucy at least a small period of energy, clearly, a few hours after getting the shot. And another potential upside is that if it reduces her fip-induced inflammation more than the pred, it could give the epogen more of a chance to work, as epogen apparently does not work well if there is a lot of inflammation because inflammation causes sequestering of iron, even when iron is added (I am giving pet tinic and folic acid). And anemia may be what is likely to kill her first. Those are the potential upsides of giving dexamethasone instead of pred. Here are the downsides: She seems to get temporary fevers from the dex, and she seems to feel pretty miserable while she has the fevers (and I need to give her some fluids, which may increase her belly effusion, and put ice on her, which she doe snot like). So far she had fever last night for a couple of hours. Last time the fever came back the following afternoon, so I will need to see if that happens today. Also, she looks a little bit wired-- her expression. Then, she seems to get some of her URI symptoms back from the dex, like some congestion in her nose. Finally, she is still on clindamycin in case this is toxo. It is looking less and less like toxo, but I can not find a way of telling for sure and sometimes the antibiotics do not make a big difference for a few weeks. Even high doses of pred like she was on is bad for treating toxo, but dex is the worst-- when lab researchers induce toxo in animals to study it (horrible, I know), they bring out the clinical symptoms (most animals do not actually get sick just from being infected with toxo) by giving them dexamethasone. So giving dex is a definite giving up on the abx doing anything. Also, Lucy is on feline interferon, and it is unclear what being on dexamethasone would do to the chances of the feline interferon helping her in any way, whether prolonging life or just making her feel better. Feline interferon is normally given with some prednisone, but lower dosage of pred than Lucy has been getting, much less dexamethasone. They do not know why the feline interferon helps sometimes with fip. In one theory it is anti-viral, which means that increasing steroids would decrease its ability to work. In the other theory it modulates the immune system and therefore controls inflammation when the immune system is out of control like with fip, in which case steroids would work in conjunction with it rather
Re: OT - Please pray for Missy
She's a beautiful catthinking of you and Missy. From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - Please pray for Missy Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 19:59:10 -0800 Kelley, Did the vet mention anything about the possibility of surgery helping Missy? I don't know anything about CHF, but the diagnosis you've outlined sounds an awful lot like what my ex-husband heard when he adopted a little stray kitten. He opted for surgery and she came through with flying colors. I guess it's becoming more and more common to do surgery on cats with heart problems. It was quite costly, but his little girl is about a year old now with no further problems. Others on the list have mentioned a group for cats with heart ailments, have you joined one yet? Of course Missy is in my prayers and thoughts. You know how I feel about that little darling of yours, Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: Please pray or send healing thoughts to Missy, or whatever your personal beliefs allow. She went to the cardiologist today. Here is her diagnosis: Diagnosis: Congenital heart disease. Missy has a large atrial septal defect/ventricular septal defect (8 mm) a hole in the lower atrial septal and upper ventricular septal wall where the chambers join which allows blood to shunt right to left and left to right in the heart. Her heart chambers are dialated and her pulmonary artery and veins are dilated. Her right ventricular wall is mildly thickened. The defects can lead to congenital heart disease (CHF) with fluid retention in the lungs, chest cavity and/or abdomen. Therefore I would recommend starting her on a low dose of furosemide. She called in a prescription of furosemide 10 mg/ml .3 mg once daily. Here is Missy's picture, for those who haven't seen it. http://www.moonvine.net/missy -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 _ http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionid=b2456790-90e6-4d28-9219-5d7207d94d45mkt=en-ca
Bandit is NEGATIVE
Completely bloodwork just came in. He's negative for everything. Vet's best guess now is a very tough URI. He'll stay on the Clindamycin and steroidal eye ointment for a total of 10 days and of course we will be watching him closely after that for any signs of recurrence. Thank you for all the helpful suggestions and kind thoughts. Lynette =^..^= The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by the way in which its animals are treated. --Mahatma Gandhi, 1869-1948
Re: Bandit is NEGATIVE
YEA!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Completely bloodwork just came in. He's negative for everything. Vet's best guess now is a very tough URI. He'll stay on the Clindamycin and steroidal eye ointment for a total of 10 days and of course we will be watching him closely after that for any signs of recurrence. Thank you for all the helpful suggestions and kind thoughts. Lynette =^..^= The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by the way in which its animals are treated. --Mahatma Gandhi, 1869-1948
Re: Bandit is NEGATIVE
that's great! he's actually negative on the corona titer and on the toxo titer?? if so, I would recommend IV shots of immuno-regulin. That really helped my cats get over tough URI's, and has worked for other cats on the list as well. Michelle In a message dated 2/2/2007 11:21:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Completely bloodwork just came in. He's negative for everything. Vet's best guess now is a very tough URI. He'll stay on the Clindamycin and steroidal eye ointment for a total of 10 days and of course we will be watching him closely after that for any signs of recurrence. Thank you for all the helpful suggestions and kind thoughts. Lynette =^..^=
Re: OT - Please pray for Missy
Can this be repaired? :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please pray or send healing thoughts to Missy, or whatever your personal beliefs allow. She went to the cardiologist today. Here is her diagnosis: Diagnosis: Congenital heart disease. Missy has a large atrial septal defect/ventricular septal defect (8 mm) a hole in the lower atrial septal and upper ventricular septal wall where the chambers join which allows blood to shunt right to left and left to right in the heart. Her heart chambers are dialated and her pulmonary artery and veins are dilated. Her right ventricular wall is mildly thickened. The defects can lead to congenital heart disease (CHF) with fluid retention in the lungs, chest cavity and/or abdomen. Therefore I would recommend starting her on a low dose of furosemide. She called in a prescription of furosemide 10 mg/ml .3 mg once daily. Here is Missy's picture, for those who haven't seen it. http://www.moonvine.net/missy -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
Re: Mylo's Passing
Thank you. From: Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Mylo's Passing Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 02:03:18 -0800 (PST) Dear Chris, I am so sorry you lost Mylo. It takes time to grieve and allow yourself the full feelings of missing him. At some point you will know in your heart and remember the joyous times you had. But now, just let yourself miss him. The other feelings will come in time. Take care, Gina Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for your email and everyone on the list that has offered kind, supportive words. I guess the best way to look at it is to cherish and remember the joy they brought to our lives and that should out-way letting them go. Ideally, that would be a good way to look at it, but we all know that can be difficult at times. So we just need to tell ourselves it was worth it. I'm glad Mylo was in my life. Maybe if he was with another family then he may have not been as loved...who knows. Maybe I made his life a bit better than it would have been otherwise and for that I have to sayit was worth it. Chris From: Paolo Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Mylo's Passing Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:06:59 +0100 Chris, I too went through that, too much times... and every time, one just cannot believe it hurts so much, and to bear it once more seems impossible... but... Today, while I was at the vet's with Rompi, there was a lady with a black kitty, female, two years old, with asthma... she was black with a small white whiff under her neck... she was just so MAGIC, with that look in her eyes, so tender... the look of the good cat. I was about to steal her right there! :) In that moment I understood that, notwithstanding anything, it's impossible to live without cats, and that the horrible, exhausting experience of letting them go is the toll for what we have received from them during their life. We could discuss if that toll is fair or too high, but that's it. Paolo P.S. I'm going to call the vet's to ask when the black kitty with asthma is scheduled next time... ;) _ Windows Live Spaces: share your New Year pictures! http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA Visit my Tigger Tales site! - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. _ Windows Live Spaces: share your New Year pictures! http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA
Re: Bandit is NEGATIVE
W O N D E R F U L! elizabeth On 2/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's great! he's actually negative on the corona titer and on the toxo titer?? Yes, her summary was: negative corona, negative toxo, negative fiv, negative felv. She is faxing the complete results to my friend's house (I have no fax machine) so I'll see them tonight sometime. if so, I would recommend IV shots of immuno-regulin. That really helped my cats get over tough URI's, and has worked for other cats on the list as well He's seeming pretty much better; romping with the foster kitten for a couple of hours last night and generally being a pain in the ass (he's BANDIT for a reason). He has to have felt crummy for quite a while and I didn't realize it... it has to have been low grade for at least 2 months. I think I'll hold off on any treatments beyond what the vet has recommended given that his improvement seems dramatic. I will definitely keep it in mind should things take a turn for the worse. I so appreciate you responding to me when you are going through such a difficult time with poor Lucy. I wish I had some advice in return, but I don't. You have the courage of a lion to try and get a cat through FIP and I hope and pray you are successful. Lynette
RE: OT - Please pray for Missy
What a love Kelley!!! She's precious!!! I do hope you can find some way to help her condition. :) Wendy Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com
Lucy
I don't think I am going to do the dex again. She has been eating about 3-4 jars of baby food a day, and ate about 3 yesterday. But she has hardly eaten since I gave her the dex. I think today she has eaten at most 1/5 of a jar of baby food and a couple of licks of a/d, and it is almost noon. I hope it is just because of the congestion that came back with the dex and that it will go away. But last time when dex gave her congestion she still had an appetite-- more of one, actually. So I am scared she is just stopping eating. I don't want to have to syringe her. She is already so displeased with me. Gray, is reflecting light off a cd onto the ceiling, which Lucy loves, and she is following it around the room with her head and eyes from the top of the cat tree. She has always loved moving light; she is the only one out of all of them who ever liked a laser toy, and she used to love it. She won't look at it now. Michelle
Re: what would you do?
Michelle, How much dex are you giving Lucy? Could you try to lower the dose significantly and see if it still helps? Nina So what would you do? Switch to dex or keep her on the pred? I have never had a doubt before about this when I thought my cats were in their last stages that it was the right thing to give heavy doses of steroid shots. It has always clearly made them feel so much better, even, or perhaps especially, with my cat Buddy who probably had dry FIP. But it is less clear for me with Lucy, both because it is unclear if on the whole it makes her feel better, and because it may work against some of the other meds she is on (feline interferon and abx). Then again, it might help the epogen to work. Without the dex, on 12.5 mg/day of prednisolone, Lucy was still eating and still very purry and seemed comfortable, just incredibly fatigued. Part of me feels like it is better to try to help her stay like that, if possible, than give her something that brings on fever and congestion, even with a small temporary surge of energy. But part of me feels like, wow, she climbed to the top of a 6 foot tall cat tree-- how can she not feel better? Please let me know what you think I should do. Thanks, Michelle
Re: Mylo's Passing
Chris, I am so sorry to hear that you had to let Mylo go. I haven't been able to keep up with my email like I would like so I know this encouragement is coming late. How are you doing today? I hope ok. I know that little Mylo is smiling down on you, thanking you for the wonderful care you gave him. You did the right thing, hard as it was. Allow yourself to grieve for him. And be gentle with yourself while you do. If you need anything or just to talk/vent, let us know. :) Wendy Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited
Re: what would you do?
.5 cc. It is not giving her so much energy-- she is still just laying in the cat tree, and not eating. If I am going to give her less dex, I think I should just go back to the pred. I am really scared that she has now stopped eating for good. she ate 3 jars of baby food yesterday before I started giving her all this stuff. I should have just left well enough alone. Michelle In a message dated 2/2/2007 12:02:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, How much dex are you giving Lucy? Could you try to lower the dose significantly and see if it still helps? Nina
Re: what would you do?
Don't panic, Michelle. Since she began to eat again after the last dex shot just assume she will start again after this one. Give her a hug from me. Will continue prayers. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:.5 cc. It is not giving her so much energy-- she is still just laying in the cat tree, and not eating. If I am going to give her less dex, I think I should just go back to the pred. I am really scared that she has now stopped eating for good. she ate 3 jars of baby food yesterday before I started giving her all this stuff. I should have just left well enough alone. Michelle In a message dated 2/2/2007 12:02:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, How much dex are you giving Lucy? Could you try to lower the dose significantly and see if it still helps? Nina
Re: Bandit is NEGATIVE
Good news about Bandit, YIPEE! I did not see that episode. That is a terrible policy! I wonder when the episode will repeat. They may get another email from me as well. Sally Davis On 2/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah! Patti her clan PS - OT, but did anyone see Animal Planet (Animal Cops - Houston) last night? I was *FURIOUS* They found a stray and *repeatedly* said that Felv was *ALWAYS* fatal and they euphemize any cat that tests positive!!! G, they're going to get an informative e-mail from me! That's if I remember Just imagine how many people saw that will euthanize those babies Not to mention how many other shelters will do it because the Houston SPCA has that policy.. -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com
To Michelle Re: Lucy update
Michelle, Reading this email just broke my heart. I can hear in your words how very much you love Lucy. I wish I could just hug both of you and do something for you both. No matter how strong my faith is, I always have questions. Everyone doesn't get to experience the natural cycle of life. Some have to go sooner, or more violently, or have to suffer. And those that should suffer, those who cause pain in the world, often aren't the ones chosen to suffer. Why? I don't know. I just have to let all the good that does happen outshine the bad. I hate that you might lose Lucy. She seems like so much more than a companion for you. Please gather strength from our prayers, and know that we are all thinking of you. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Lucy screamed while they were feeling around her belly trying to find the place to put the needle in, but while they drained she just laid in my arms and purred. The fluid, which I was told was clear and thin on January 16 and 17 when samples were taken, looked pale yellow to me and the vet said the consistency was a bit thick. He sent some more out to be analyzed, but he feels quite sure it is fip. He filled a small bowl 2 or 3 times with fluid-- I would guess at least 100 or 200 cc's. And when the fluid stopped coming, he said he had reached the end of that pocket, but she still has a huge belly. He said he did not want to keep poking her all over trying to find the pockets to drain it from, and wants me to just see how she does with that much drained. He did not think her breathing was bad to begin with. He put the 1/2 cc dexamethasone shot into the catheter when it stopped draining. He said her belly may fill up faster now, since proteins were taken out of circulation by draining from the abdomen and lower proteins enable more effusion. I guess that is why some people have said it filled up faster after being drained. He was amazed that she is still eating. I think it must just be all the pred. I asked for leukeran. He wants to wait a couple of days and see what the new fluid analysis says and how she does on the increased pred and the dex that she got in her belly today. He is worried the leukeran might suppress her bone marrow more. He really does not think the fluid is from ibd or lymphoma, as he said he has never seen either create anywhere near this amount of fluid. She was happy to get home and walked around a little, though she looked a little wobbly. At one point she actually ran for about 20 feet or so, and her poor jelly belly swung from side to side as she did. Now she is camped out on the heating pad by her new favorite spot, a bookshelf where she heard a mouse this morning. She has been purring a lot more today, I think because I gave her more pred this morning and maybe she has had some fever and that took it away, I don't know. I so don't want to lose her, but know what Hideyo said is right. I asked the vet about coming to the home for euthanasia at some point and he said he will if he can schedule-wise. I asked him what will get her, as I have never had a cat with wet fip before. He did not know, as most people euthanize at diagnosis of wet fip he said. Does anyone know? Is it likely to be her anemia? Or will something else happen? He said she will probably stop eating at some point, despite the steroids. I do not think I will want to force-feed her, unless she seems to be otherwise feeling good. Right now she is falling asleep. She is my baby. Michelle Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091
Re: what would you do?
The last dex shot actually made her eat MORE the next morning, despite the congestion, not less. Since I wrote she ate a little more baby food. But, again, no more than 1/5 of a jar and probably not even that much. In a message dated 2/2/2007 12:13:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't panic, Michelle. Since she began to eat again after the last dex shot just assume she will start again after this one. Give her a hug from me. Will continue prayers.
Re: what would you do?
Well, darn. I misunderstood. It is so frustrating when we so want them to eat and they just won't. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:The last dex shot actually made her eat MORE the next morning, despite the congestion, not less. Since I wrote she ate a little more baby food. But, again, no more than 1/5 of a jar and probably not even that much. In a message dated 2/2/2007 12:13:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't panic, Michelle. Since she began to eat again after the last dex shot just assume she will start again after this one. Give her a hug from me. Will continue prayers.
RE: Bandit is NEGATIVE--Animal Planet
If anyone has an email address to write to for Animal Planet, I'll send them the dozen or so inspiring FeLV testimonials I collected from you wonderful people last year to persuade the new PAWS shelter to include an FeLV room. (The shelter in question is slated to open July this year by the way. I'll be visiting as soon as it does open to check out if they kept their word and really did include an FELV room.) Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bandit is NEGATIVE Yeah! Patti her clan http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/gstres/anmls/cat PS - OT, but did anyone see Animal Planet (Animal Cops - Houston) last night? I was FURIOUS They found a stray and repeatedly said that Felv was ALWAYS fatal and they euphemize any cat that tests positive!!! G, they're going to get an informative e-mail from me! That's if I remember Just imagine how many people saw that will euthanize those babies Not to mention how many other shelters will do it because the Houston SPCA has that policy.. http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/peeps-emt/pple/clips/miss-face-clip2 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: what would you do?
The fact that she's eating at all is a very good sign, esp if she is congested. I know you don't want to waste a minute that could be spent helping her, but it looks like you don't have any choice than to take a deep breath and wait and see. Try to take some quiet time, out of panic mode, and give the subtle voice of intuition a chance to get through to you. Go take a shower, I get some of my best ideas when I'm relaxed and not dwelling on outcomes. Believe me, I understand just how hard it is to relax when you're going through this, but it might help both of you to take a break from all the turmoil. Light a scented candle, listen to some soothing music and just be. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The last dex shot actually made her eat MORE the next morning, despite the congestion, not less. Since I wrote she ate a little more baby food. But, again, no more than 1/5 of a jar and probably not even that much. In a message dated 2/2/2007 12:13:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't panic, Michelle. Since she began to eat again after the last dex shot just assume she will start again after this one. Give her a hug from me. Will continue prayers.
Re: over the one month hump! Congrats Elizabeth!
Congratulations!!! You go girl! Is it getting any easier? I am so proud of you! :) Wendy Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL
RE: what would you do?
Michelle - you are doing everything possible you can to help her ---don't question it - Lucy knows it --- she knows your bond are much stronger than anything you can see on physical level... I gave accemmanan to JoJo and he stopped eating since then, I question the same thing naturally - but believe that she will want to eat again soon - stay positive. Even if she stopped eating, it does not mean that she will only get sicker.. remember, Dharma stopped eating and took her a couple of weeks before she can eat on her own again after FOI treatment.. you just never know...don't give up _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: what would you do? .5 cc. It is not giving her so much energy-- she is still just laying in the cat tree, and not eating. If I am going to give her less dex, I think I should just go back to the pred. I am really scared that she has now stopped eating for good. she ate 3 jars of baby food yesterday before I started giving her all this stuff. I should have just left well enough alone. Michelle In a message dated 2/2/2007 12:02:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, How much dex are you giving Lucy? Could you try to lower the dose significantly and see if it still helps? Nina
RE: what would you do?
I can't remember for sure why.. but Dr. Ishida and Dr. Addie recommended the use of dex as a single dose and use predisolone instead if you are giving on going . .must be something to do with the fact that it may not impair any liver functions.. with FIP, their liver eventually get damaged and maybe that's why.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:01 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: what would you do? Michelle, How much dex are you giving Lucy? Could you try to lower the dose significantly and see if it still helps? Nina So what would you do? Switch to dex or keep her on the pred? I have never had a doubt before about this when I thought my cats were in their last stages that it was the right thing to give heavy doses of steroid shots. It has always clearly made them feel so much better, even, or perhaps especially, with my cat Buddy who probably had dry FIP. But it is less clear for me with Lucy, both because it is unclear if on the whole it makes her feel better, and because it may work against some of the other meds she is on (feline interferon and abx). Then again, it might help the epogen to work. Without the dex, on 12.5 mg/day of prednisolone, Lucy was still eating and still very purry and seemed comfortable, just incredibly fatigued. Part of me feels like it is better to try to help her stay like that, if possible, than give her something that brings on fever and congestion, even with a small temporary surge of energy. But part of me feels like, wow, she climbed to the top of a 6 foot tall cat tree-- how can she not feel better? Please let me know what you think I should do. Thanks, Michelle
RE: what would you do?
Michelle - when you say pred - do you mean predisone or predisolone? I would recommend that you use predisolone -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: what would you do? I can't remember for sure why.. but Dr. Ishida and Dr. Addie recommended the use of dex as a single dose and use predisolone instead if you are giving on going . .must be something to do with the fact that it may not impair any liver functions.. with FIP, their liver eventually get damaged and maybe that's why.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:01 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: what would you do? Michelle, How much dex are you giving Lucy? Could you try to lower the dose significantly and see if it still helps? Nina So what would you do? Switch to dex or keep her on the pred? I have never had a doubt before about this when I thought my cats were in their last stages that it was the right thing to give heavy doses of steroid shots. It has always clearly made them feel so much better, even, or perhaps especially, with my cat Buddy who probably had dry FIP. But it is less clear for me with Lucy, both because it is unclear if on the whole it makes her feel better, and because it may work against some of the other meds she is on (feline interferon and abx). Then again, it might help the epogen to work. Without the dex, on 12.5 mg/day of prednisolone, Lucy was still eating and still very purry and seemed comfortable, just incredibly fatigued. Part of me feels like it is better to try to help her stay like that, if possible, than give her something that brings on fever and congestion, even with a small temporary surge of energy. But part of me feels like, wow, she climbed to the top of a 6 foot tall cat tree-- how can she not feel better? Please let me know what you think I should do. Thanks, Michelle
RE: Bandit is NEGATIVE--Animal Planet
The Animal Planet web site offers viewers an opportunity to send an e-mail. Here is the url: http://extweb.discovery.com/viewerrelations Leah From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 12:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Bandit is NEGATIVE--Animal Planet If anyone has an email address to write to for Animal Planet, I'll send them the dozen or so inspiring FeLV testimonials I collected from you wonderful people last year to persuade the new PAWS shelter to include an FeLV room. (The shelter in question is slated to open July this year by the way. I'll be visiting as soon as it does open to check out if they kept their word and really did include an FELV room.) Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bandit is NEGATIVE Yeah! Patti her clan http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/gstres/anmls/cat PS - OT, but did anyone see Animal Planet (Animal Cops - Houston) last night? I was FURIOUS They found a stray and repeatedly said that Felv was ALWAYS fatal and they euphemize any cat that tests positive!!! G, they're going to get an informative e-mail from me! That's if I remember Just imagine how many people saw that will euthanize those babies Not to mention how many other shelters will do it because the Houston SPCA has that policy.. http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/peeps-emt/pple/clips/miss-face-clip2 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Bandit is NEGATIVE--Animal Planet
By the way; Rude Ranch Animal Rescue, from whom I adopted my felv+ Maine Coon a month ago, has a room just for these positive cats. Leah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wolf, Leah R. Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Bandit is NEGATIVE--Animal Planet The Animal Planet web site offers viewers an opportunity to send an e-mail. Here is the url: http://extweb.discovery.com/viewerrelations Leah From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 12:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Bandit is NEGATIVE--Animal Planet If anyone has an email address to write to for Animal Planet, I'll send them the dozen or so inspiring FeLV testimonials I collected from you wonderful people last year to persuade the new PAWS shelter to include an FeLV room. (The shelter in question is slated to open July this year by the way. I'll be visiting as soon as it does open to check out if they kept their word and really did include an FELV room.) Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bandit is NEGATIVE Yeah! Patti her clan http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/gstres/anmls/cat PS - OT, but did anyone see Animal Planet (Animal Cops - Houston) last night? I was FURIOUS They found a stray and repeatedly said that Felv was ALWAYS fatal and they euphemize any cat that tests positive!!! G, they're going to get an informative e-mail from me! That's if I remember Just imagine how many people saw that will euthanize those babies Not to mention how many other shelters will do it because the Houston SPCA has that policy.. http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/peeps-emt/pple/clips/miss-face-clip2 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Bandit is NEGATIVE
um, folks, LIFE is ALWAYS FATAL! are we supposed to euthanize every thing that is born because it's going to die at some point? On 2/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah! Patti her clan PS - OT, but did anyone see Animal Planet (Animal Cops - Houston) last night? I was *FURIOUS* They found a stray and *repeatedly* said that Felv was *ALWAYS* fatal and they euphemize any cat that tests positive!!! G, they're going to get an informative e-mail from me! That's if I remember Just imagine how many people saw that will euthanize those babies Not to mention how many other shelters will do it because the Houston SPCA has that policy.. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: Bandit is NEGATIVE--Animal Planet
Thanks Leah! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wolf, Leah R. Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 12:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Bandit is NEGATIVE--Animal Planet The Animal Planet web site offers viewers an opportunity to send an e-mail. Here is the url: http://extweb.discovery.com/viewerrelations Leah From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 12:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Bandit is NEGATIVE--Animal Planet If anyone has an email address to write to for Animal Planet, I'll send them the dozen or so inspiring FeLV testimonials I collected from you wonderful people last year to persuade the new PAWS shelter to include an FeLV room. (The shelter in question is slated to open July this year by the way. I'll be visiting as soon as it does open to check out if they kept their word and really did include an FELV room.) Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bandit is NEGATIVE Yeah! Patti her clan http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/gstres/anmls/cat PS - OT, but did anyone see Animal Planet (Animal Cops - Houston) last night? I was FURIOUS They found a stray and repeatedly said that Felv was ALWAYS fatal and they euphemize any cat that tests positive!!! G, they're going to get an informative e-mail from me! That's if I remember Just imagine how many people saw that will euthanize those babies Not to mention how many other shelters will do it because the Houston SPCA has that policy.. http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/peeps-emt/pple/clips/miss-face-clip2 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Bandit is NEGATIVE--Animal Planet
That's great. It's such a rare thing. Bless you for adopting an FeLV baby. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wolf, Leah R. Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 12:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Bandit is NEGATIVE--Animal Planet By the way; Rude Ranch Animal Rescue, from whom I adopted my felv+ Maine Coon a month ago, has a room just for these positive cats. Leah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wolf, Leah R. Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Bandit is NEGATIVE--Animal Planet The Animal Planet web site offers viewers an opportunity to send an e-mail. Here is the url: http://extweb.discovery.com/viewerrelations Leah From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 12:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Bandit is NEGATIVE--Animal Planet If anyone has an email address to write to for Animal Planet, I'll send them the dozen or so inspiring FeLV testimonials I collected from you wonderful people last year to persuade the new PAWS shelter to include an FeLV room. (The shelter in question is slated to open July this year by the way. I'll be visiting as soon as it does open to check out if they kept their word and really did include an FELV room.) Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bandit is NEGATIVE Yeah! Patti her clan http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/gstres/anmls/cat PS - OT, but did anyone see Animal Planet (Animal Cops - Houston) last night? I was FURIOUS They found a stray and repeatedly said that Felv was ALWAYS fatal and they euphemize any cat that tests positive!!! G, they're going to get an informative e-mail from me! That's if I remember Just imagine how many people saw that will euthanize those babies Not to mention how many other shelters will do it because the Houston SPCA has that policy.. http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/peeps-emt/pple/clips/miss-face-clip2 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Bandit is NEGATIVE
That's a great line---I'm going to steal/borrow it, with your permission. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 12:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bandit is NEGATIVE um, folks, LIFE is ALWAYS FATAL! are we supposed to euthanize every thing that is born because it's going to die at some point? On 2/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah! Patti her clan PS - OT, but did anyone see Animal Planet (Animal Cops - Houston) last night? I was FURIOUS They found a stray and repeatedly said that Felv was ALWAYS fatal and they euphemize any cat that tests positive!!! G, they're going to get an informative e-mail from me! That's if I remember Just imagine how many people saw that will euthanize those babies Not to mention how many other shelters will do it because the Houston SPCA has that policy.. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Bandit is NEGATIVE
people would say that when they'd bring their FeLV or FIV cats to the sanctuary--we love him/her, but we can't keep him/her, he/she is going to die! we'd point out that there are NO guarantees. that their $2500 showcat is just as likely to throw a blood clot tomorrow as a FeLV is to have its virus activated actually, sometimes, depending on the kind of week we'd had, we' d just look at them and say, well, so are you and i. just a slight change of perspective--most people just never looked at it that way, and a lot of them took their little furry ones right back home with them. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: what would you do?
prednisolone. In a message dated 2/2/2007 1:11:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle - when you say pred - do you mean predisone or predisolone? I would recommend that you use predisolone
Re: Rompi's surgery has been cancelled
I'm so glad that you haven't missed out on Abbott Costello! lol. I don't know why but I am feeling relief that Rompi's surgery was cancelled. I hope that you get some very thorough information and are able to make the best decisions for Rompi. Good luck searching Paolo! :) Wendy --- Paolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do they have Abbott Costello movies in Italy? Not only... Oliver Hardy too :) And now a local network is passing Quincy ME at 7am!!! When you signup it automatically GIVES you a @ yahoo.com email address, BUT, you don't have to use it for your yahoogroups if you don't want to. You just make something up there, anything, you could be [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you want to. Once you get an account set up, you can add additional email addresses to it, and choose which one you want your email to go to. Phaewryn, that's GREAT! Even because I have just discovered that my former Yahoo ID for the Feline Anemia group is not assigned, even if I am receiving posts from that group, so there is something definitely corrupted, or out of order, with that ID. At this point I am going to sign up as a new user to Feline Cancer and Feline Lymphoma, trying to have posts sent to my regular address. This is a must, because Rompi's surgery has been cancelled. I took Rompi in this morning, but when I talked to the surgeon about the operation, he told me that he examined Rompi's echographies, RX and bloodwork very carefully; considering that Rompi behaves just like he doesn't know he has got a tumor, the surgeon expressed his position that surgery would have been far too invasive and of uncertain outcome. He suggested to leave Rompi in peace with surgery and to go on with chemo and nutrition supplements only. Now, I can admit that I am more than relieved that the surgeon chose to not disturb what is, to my eyes, a miracle on paws. At this point, I have to go full throttle for information on chemotherapy options and lymphomas (Yahoo groups are now a must), and food supplements. From now on, Rompi will rely only on those to survive. Paolo The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php
Re: Rompi's surgery has been cancelled
I don't know why but I am feeling relief that Rompi's surgery was cancelled. It is exactly the same for me... but I feel that Rompi's magic could break down at any time. I feel he is (we are) walking on eggs. I need to get in touch with an EMINENT American oncologist to have some opinion and input about the chemo protocols they proposed me, but I need it NOW!!! I feel like sitting on a time bomb. Paolo
Re: over the one month hump! Congrats Elizabeth!
thanks! i actually went almost an hour today without thinking about a ciggy :0) i know it will get easier - and it's already much easier than the first two weeks. i appreciate the support - it really helps. On 2/2/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations!!! You go girl! Is it getting any easier? I am so proud of you! :) Wendy Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL
RE: over the one month hump! Congrats Elizabeth!
Wasn't sure what was meant earlier---now I know---congratulations!! That's fantastic Elizabeth! Well done you. You're on your way to lovely clean lungs!! Kerry M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: over the one month hump! Congrats Elizabeth! thanks! i actually went almost an hour today without thinking about a ciggy :0) i know it will get easier - and it's already much easier than the first two weeks. i appreciate the support - it really helps. On 2/2/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations!!! You go girl! Is it getting any easier? I am so proud of you! :) Wendy Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Rompi's surgery has been cancelled
Paolo, You could call the Animal Cancer Center in Dallas, Texas. The number is (214) 437-9499. They will probably only be open another 2 and a half hours today. They might be open tomorrow also, but not sure. I have heard very good things about this clinic. I hope you find an oncologist who will help you soon! :) Wendy --- Paolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know why but I am feeling relief that Rompi's surgery was cancelled. It is exactly the same for me... but I feel that Rompi's magic could break down at any time. I feel he is (we are) walking on eggs. I need to get in touch with an EMINENT American oncologist to have some opinion and input about the chemo protocols they proposed me, but I need it NOW!!! I feel like sitting on a time bomb. Paolo Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index
OT: new study on insula, strokes, and smoking-VERY interesting!
i heard the most interesting thing on the news the other day. they have found that in patients who have had a stroke and had something damaged called the 'insula', in their brain, that when they came out of the stroke, they no longer craved cigarettes. so now they think that the insula may somehow control cravings/addictions, and are doing research on how to 'damage' it. i thought it was VERY interesting! Here's a link: http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2007/jan/26/some-stop-smoking-after-stroke/ Pretty cool! :) wendy --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks! i actually went almost an hour today without thinking about a ciggy :0) i know it will get easier - and it's already much easier than the first two weeks. i appreciate the support - it really helps. On 2/2/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations!!! You go girl! Is it getting any easier? I am so proud of you! :) Wendy Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
Re: over the one month hump! Congrats Elizabeth!
thanks! :0) i think i am more surprised than anyone! LOL On 2/2/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wasn't sure what was meant earlier---now I know---congratulations!! That's fantastic Elizabeth! Well done you. You're on your way to lovely clean lungs!! Kerry M -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *elizabeth trent *Sent:* Friday, February 02, 2007 2:16 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: over the one month hump! Congrats Elizabeth! thanks! i actually went almost an hour today without thinking about a ciggy :0) i know it will get easier - and it's already much easier than the first two weeks. i appreciate the support - it really helps. On 2/2/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations!!! You go girl! Is it getting any easier? I am so proud of you! :) Wendy Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: OT: new study on insula, strokes, and smoking-VERY interesting!
I saw that in the paper the other day! Isn't that interestsing?!? On 2/2/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i heard the most interesting thing on the news the other day. they have found that in patients who have had a stroke and had something damaged called the 'insula', in their brain, that when they came out of the stroke, they no longer craved cigarettes. so now they think that the insula may somehow control cravings/addictions, and are doing research on how to 'damage' it. i thought it was VERY interesting! Here's a link: http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2007/jan/26/some-stop-smoking-after-stroke/ Pretty cool! :) wendy --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks! i actually went almost an hour today without thinking about a ciggy :0) i know it will get easier - and it's already much easier than the first two weeks. i appreciate the support - it really helps. On 2/2/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations!!! You go girl! Is it getting any easier? I am so proud of you! :) Wendy Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
Re: OT: new study on insula, strokes, and smoking-VERY interesting!
hmmm. what a choice--shall i start taking chantix, or wait to have a stroke? (sorry, it's been that sort of month. already.) On 2/2/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw that in the paper the other day! Isn't that interestsing?!? On 2/2/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i heard the most interesting thing on the news the other day. they have found that in patients who have had a stroke and had something damaged called the 'insula', in their brain, that when they came out of the stroke, they no longer craved cigarettes. so now they think that the insula may somehow control cravings/addictions, and are doing research on how to 'damage' it. i thought it was VERY interesting! Here's a link: http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2007/jan/26/some-stop-smoking-after-stroke/ Pretty cool! :) wendy --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks! i actually went almost an hour today without thinking about a ciggy :0) i know it will get easier - and it's already much easier than the first two weeks. i appreciate the support - it really helps. On 2/2/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations!!! You go girl! Is it getting any easier? I am so proud of you! :) Wendy Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: new study on insula, strokes, and smoking-VERY interesting!
That is interesting! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: new study on insula, strokes, and smoking-VERY interesting! i heard the most interesting thing on the news the other day. they have found that in patients who have had a stroke and had something damaged called the 'insula', in their brain, that when they came out of the stroke, they no longer craved cigarettes. so now they think that the insula may somehow control cravings/addictions, and are doing research on how to 'damage' it. i thought it was VERY interesting! Here's a link: http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2007/jan/26/some-stop-smoking-after-stro ke/ Pretty cool! :) wendy --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks! i actually went almost an hour today without thinking about a ciggy :0) i know it will get easier - and it's already much easier than the first two weeks. i appreciate the support - it really helps. On 2/2/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations!!! You go girl! Is it getting any easier? I am so proud of you! :) Wendy Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: OT: new study on insula, strokes, and smoking-VERY interesting!
LOL i'm thinking the chantix is a little easier ;-) my uncle says that having a heart attack cured him. On 2/2/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmmm. what a choice--shall i start taking chantix, or wait to have a stroke? (sorry, it's been that sort of month. already.) On 2/2/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw that in the paper the other day! Isn't that interestsing?!? On 2/2/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i heard the most interesting thing on the news the other day. they have found that in patients who have had a stroke and had something damaged called the 'insula', in their brain, that when they came out of the stroke, they no longer craved cigarettes. so now they think that the insula may somehow control cravings/addictions, and are doing research on how to 'damage' it. i thought it was VERY interesting! Here's a link: http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2007/jan/26/some-stop-smoking-after-stroke/ Pretty cool! :) wendy --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks! i actually went almost an hour today without thinking about a ciggy :0) i know it will get easier - and it's already much easier than the first two weeks. i appreciate the support - it really helps. On 2/2/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations!!! You go girl! Is it getting any easier? I am so proud of you! :) Wendy Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT - Please pray for Missy
Okay Kelley, I just heard back from my ex. He was looking for all the paperwork, (her test results, diagnosis etc), but couldn't find it because he's in the middle of trying to sell his house and everything is packed away. This is what he told me: Miss Kitty had a problem where her heart didn't grow together properly. They called her murmur, a machine murmur. Blood was going backwards into her heart. They put a shunt in that closed off the part of the heart that was bleeding into the other and got the blood flowing in the proper direction. He said his kitty was at the hospital for no more than two nights and except for the scar that runs the length of her underside, came through it beautifully. He said the operation cost him about $2500. I had forwarded your diagnosis email to him and he said it sounds like what was going on with Miss Kitty and doesn't understand why you are being told that surgery isn't an option. As I said before, he lives in Las Vegas NV. The vet that did the surgery is Dr. Geels at, (he thinks it's called), Veterinary Referral Services. He couldn't find their number, but the regular vet that referred him is Mauer Animal Clinic: 702-870-1011. My ex-husband's name is Jim Roach and they know Miss Kitty as Princess. If I were you, I'd track down Dr. Geels and see if you can fax your vet's paperwork to him for a phone consultation. Maybe he could refer you to someone in your area that could do the surgery. Hell, maybe you and Missy could take a flight to Vegas. Let us know, Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi Nina, I'm surprised to hear that. Everyone I have talked to - the cardiologist, the internist, the Yahoo heart group - says they are not doing surgery on cats and that they don't do well at all with heart lung machines. They say even dogs only have about a 5% survival rate with this surgery. I'd put a 2nd mortgage on my house for Missy, but not if she has a 99% likelihood of dying. Is it possible to get more info from your ex? Maybe a hospital in a different state... Yes, I'm on the Yahoo heart group. They are really nice there, not as nice as here of course:) On 2/1/07, *Nina* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley, Did the vet mention anything about the possibility of surgery helping Missy? I don't know anything about CHF, but the diagnosis you've outlined sounds an awful lot like what my ex-husband heard when he adopted a little stray kitten. He opted for surgery and she came through with flying colors. I guess it's becoming more and more common to do surgery on cats with heart problems. It was quite costly, but his little girl is about a year old now with no further problems. Others on the list have mentioned a group for cats with heart ailments, have you joined one yet? Of course Missy is in my prayers and thoughts. You know how I feel about that little darling of yours, Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: Please pray or send healing thoughts to Missy, or whatever your personal beliefs allow. She went to the cardiologist today. Here is her diagnosis: Diagnosis: Congenital heart disease. Missy has a large atrial septal defect/ventricular septal defect (8 mm) a hole in the lower atrial septal and upper ventricular septal wall where the chambers join which allows blood to shunt right to left and left to right in the heart. Her heart chambers are dialated and her pulmonary artery and veins are dilated. Her right ventricular wall is mildly thickened. The defects can lead to congenital heart disease (CHF) with fluid retention in the lungs, chest cavity and/or abdomen. Therefore I would recommend starting her on a low dose of furosemide. She called in a prescription of furosemide 10 mg/ml .3 mg once daily. Here is Missy's picture, for those who haven't seen it. http://www.moonvine.net/missy -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: Bandit is NEGATIVE--Animal Planet
Thank you SO much Leah!!! Now, if I can get these eyes to work, I'll send that e-mail. (Was going to do it earlier but the eyes gave out.. It's he!!! only having one eye... So I should have wrote the eye gave out Anyone notice I couldn't even spell euthanize And, that's not even a word on AOL's spell-check.. One more reason I detest AOL.) And, the shelter I've been associated with for umpteen years, has TWO large areas for Felv's. (And two for FIV's. One for the poor babies that have both.) I LOVED MC's response Hugs, Patti her clan
RE: Lucy--what to do?
My dear Michelle- I am sorry that Lucy is still not eating - I don't know if this will make you feel a bit better or not.. my Ginger who is Felk positive have gone through a period that she did not eat anything at all over 3 months.. but the weird thing was, she did not act like she was sick or feeling sick.. just did not want to eat anything - she has done this for a couple of times for the past three years I have had her - and eventually she started eating - thank god..- obviously this is not the same situation with Lucy's case. I don't know if Lucy actually does have FIP.. if she does indeed have FIP, anorexia is a common symptom, and almost to be expected as part of the symptoms...all of my kitties with FIP stopped eating way before they got really sick, usually they feel nauseated due to the liver problem, but I don't know if this is what's happening to Lucy, either- Michelle, this just has been the first day, but even if she does not want to eat tomorrow - don't be in despair..see if you can assist feed her - sometimes, they just forget to eat (I know it sounds weird- that's how it was with Ginger).. I have been syringe feeding Ghandi and Ayumi for over 3 months now as they cannot eat on their own for different reasons.. but I keep my hopes.. and take one day at a time..and I do pray and keeping my hope for your baby Lucy.. she is going to overcome this somehow.. she always has... I don't know what's the best thing to give for Lucy - as I have asked for Nina for advise as to what I should do for my babies in the past.. and she would tell me her suggestion.. and I went ahead and did what I was going to do anyway against Nina's suggestion...:-) I am just that way.. If I were you, I might just let her body recoup and give it a break from all the drugs a bit.. but I am not there to see her.. I don't know for sure either... Please know that you and your baby Lucy are in my deep thought and prayers... Hugs, Hideyo.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 11:02 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do? Dearest Michelle, As I wrote before, I just went through this same push/pull anxiety with Spencer. It's enough to give you a nervous breakdown. I'm feeling your pain right through the computer. I know Lucy is in bad shape, but it does sound like she's at least comfortable for the most part. When you talk about worsening symptoms, are you referring to her not eating? Today is the first time she hasn't eaten on her own, is that right? Stress will put her off her food, perhaps she's just regaining her strength. The thought of her enjoying a sun bath is encouraging. She may be strong enough to wait for the experts to decide a treatment protocol. I wish I had the answers for you Michelle. I'm afraid that no matter how much support we have from others, it always comes down to our call when dealing with so this sort of quandary. All I can tell you is that after I calmed my spirit and communed with Spencer, (my last experience with what you are going through), I felt a little more at peace with the circumstances. Unfortunately, Spencer did not have a long time left to share with me. I never gave up hope, but I did find a semblance of acceptance and peace. The benefit was that the time we did share was full of unconditional love, and I don't know how else to put it, full of quality. It didn't keep him with me in the physical, but it allowed us to bond in an extraordinary way. It was an incredible gift that we shared, at a very costly price. I'll always be grateful to him for the lessons learned during that heartrending time. I have no idea what I would do in your place. Missing the pieces of the puzzle make it so very difficult to make these sorts of decisions with conviction. I would never take the advice of anyone over what my own gut was telling me though. The specialists may be well meaning, they may even be sympathetic, but to them Lucy is a medical case, to you she is your heart. The way I see it is we are responsible for interpreting the wishes of our fur children and making sure that our decisions are based on love and not fear. You are the one that has to live with the consequences, no matter what those consequences may be. Clear your head. Sit quietly with her, your next move will come to you. All my love, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Red Bank called to say that now I do not have a return appointment for tomorrow, that the cytology reports won't be back until tomorrow, and that I will get a call tomorrow morning after the oncologist and internist look at the reports, with a plan. Meanwhile, this morning Lucy is not eating at all. I syringed her a little food, but am concerned at the worsening of symptoms. Her back end seems ok now, but she is drinking more. her fever went down last night with fluids and ice packs, but she is warm again-- but can't tell
Re: Lucy--what to do?
I can't do that. Once they have been on steroids long-term, you can't just stop it. It causes adrenal and circulatory problems and would make her feel way worse. In a message dated 2/2/2007 6:59:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I were you, I might just let her body recoup and give it a break from all the drugs a bit.. but I am not there to see her.. I don’t know for sure either…
Re: OT - Please pray for Missy
Hi Gina, Her prognosis to live at least one more year is pretty good with conscientious medicating. Her prognosis to live more than 3 more years is pretty bad. You don't want to become familiar with heart disease in cats. It seems to follow me like FELV does yall. I am pretty convinced that heard disease is what took Morgana, and now Clarissa has a heart murmur. The scary thing is that 60% of cats with heart problems die without showing any symptoms, per my veterinary cardiologist's tech. I'm in a hotel using their internet, so I have to go, there are people waiting. Kelley On 2/2/07, Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She is a precious baby, so cute! I am sorry about this Kelley. What is her prognosis? I am unfamiliar with heart disease in cats. I will keep her in my prayers. Gina *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Please pray or send healing thoughts to Missy, or whatever your personal beliefs allow. She went to the cardiologist today. Here is her diagnosis: Diagnosis: Congenital heart disease. Missy has a large atrial septal defect/ventricular septal defect (8 mm) a hole in the lower atrial septal and upper ventricular septal wall where the chambers join which allows blood to shunt right to left and left to right in the heart. Her heart chambers are dialated and her pulmonary artery and veins are dilated. Her right ventricular wall is mildly thickened. The defects can lead to congenital heart disease (CHF) with fluid retention in the lungs, chest cavity and/or abdomen. Therefore I would recommend starting her on a low dose of furosemide. She called in a prescription of furosemide 10 mg/ml .3 mg once daily. Here is Missy's picture, for those who haven't seen it. http://www.moonvine.net/missy -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 *Visit my **Tigger Tales* http://tiggerwiggins.com/* site!* -- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to lovehttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49980/*http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265%0A (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49980/*http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265%0A -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT - Please pray for Missy
Hi Beth, She has a grade 3/4 murmur. She's 6.8 pounds. I was *very* pleased with her weight gain. Kelley On 2/2/07, Gary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kelley, Sending healing thoughts for your little Missy. Do you know what grade her heart murmur is? My Moxie has a grade one murmur and is noticeably smaller than her siblings. If it is still there at her one year we plan to have it checked out by a cardiologist. How old is Missy? I remembered her picture from before, love those cute ear tufts! Best wishes, Beth -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT - Please pray for Missy
I will do that Monday, Nina, thank you. Kelley On 2/2/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay Kelley, I just heard back from my ex. He was looking for all the paperwork, (her test results, diagnosis etc), but couldn't find it because he's in the middle of trying to sell his house and everything is packed away. This is what he told me: Miss Kitty had a problem where her heart didn't grow together properly. They called her murmur, a machine murmur. Blood was going backwards into her heart. They put a shunt in that closed off the part of the heart that was bleeding into the other and got the blood flowing in the proper direction. He said his kitty was at the hospital for no more than two nights and except for the scar that runs the length of her underside, came through it beautifully. He said the operation cost him about $2500. I had forwarded your diagnosis email to him and he said it sounds like what was going on with Miss Kitty and doesn't understand why you are being told that surgery isn't an option. As I said before, he lives in Las Vegas NV. The vet that did the surgery is Dr. Geels at, (he thinks it's called), Veterinary Referral Services. He couldn't find their number, but the regular vet that referred him is Mauer Animal Clinic: 702-870-1011. My ex-husband's name is Jim Roach and they know Miss Kitty as Princess. If I were you, I'd track down Dr. Geels and see if you can fax your vet's paperwork to him for a phone consultation. Maybe he could refer you to someone in your area that could do the surgery. Hell, maybe you and Missy could take a flight to Vegas. Let us know, Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi Nina, I'm surprised to hear that. Everyone I have talked to - the cardiologist, the internist, the Yahoo heart group - says they are not doing surgery on cats and that they don't do well at all with heart lung machines. They say even dogs only have about a 5% survival rate with this surgery. I'd put a 2nd mortgage on my house for Missy, but not if she has a 99% likelihood of dying. Is it possible to get more info from your ex? Maybe a hospital in a different state... Yes, I'm on the Yahoo heart group. They are really nice there, not as nice as here of course:) On 2/1/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley, Did the vet mention anything about the possibility of surgery helping Missy? I don't know anything about CHF, but the diagnosis you've outlined sounds an awful lot like what my ex-husband heard when he adopted a little stray kitten. He opted for surgery and she came through with flying colors. I guess it's becoming more and more common to do surgery on cats with heart problems. It was quite costly, but his little girl is about a year old now with no further problems. Others on the list have mentioned a group for cats with heart ailments, have you joined one yet? Of course Missy is in my prayers and thoughts. You know how I feel about that little darling of yours, Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: Please pray or send healing thoughts to Missy, or whatever your personal beliefs allow. She went to the cardiologist today. Here is her diagnosis: Diagnosis: Congenital heart disease. Missy has a large atrial septal defect/ventricular septal defect (8 mm) a hole in the lower atrial septal and upper ventricular septal wall where the chambers join which allows blood to shunt right to left and left to right in the heart. Her heart chambers are dialated and her pulmonary artery and veins are dilated. Her right ventricular wall is mildly thickened. The defects can lead to congenital heart disease (CHF) with fluid retention in the lungs, chest cavity and/or abdomen. Therefore I would recommend starting her on a low dose of furosemide. She called in a prescription of furosemide 10 mg/ml .3 mg once daily. Here is Missy's picture, for those who haven't seen it. http://www.moonvine.net/missy -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
RE: Lucy--what to do?
Oh.. I meant - to tape it down.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 5:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do? I can't do that. Once they have been on steroids long-term, you can't just stop it. It causes adrenal and circulatory problems and would make her feel way worse. In a message dated 2/2/2007 6:59:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I were you, I might just let her body recoup and give it a break from all the drugs a bit.. but I am not there to see her.. I don't know for sure either...
Re: OT - Please pray for Missy
Thank you Kelley, I sure hope the medication helps Missy. She's about a half a pound lighter than Moxie. Please keep us posted on how she's doing... Best wishes, Beth Hi Beth, She has a grade 3/4 murmur. She's 6.8 pounds. I was *very* pleased with her weight gain. Kelley
Re: Lucy--what to do?
You can always gradually taper off. What does your vet say? How is Lucy doing this evening? elizabeth On 2/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't do that. Once they have been on steroids long-term, you can't just stop it. It causes adrenal and circulatory problems and would make her feel way worse. In a message dated 2/2/2007 6:59:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I were you, I might just let her body recoup and give it a break from all the drugs a bit.. but I am not there to see her.. I don't know for sure either…
Re: Lucy--what to do?
oh my, my vet. Well, my vet probably really wishes I would stop asking him these questions every day. My vet thinks there is no way to figure out what is happening, and that I should just decide on something and he will give me the meds. He is very accommodating, but not very decisive. He think she has wet fip, he thinks there is not all that much to do, he is surprised she has been eating to date, he has never heard of some of the stuff I have had him order to put her on (feline interferon) and has never used other stuff (epogen) and I think that he thinks I am trying to solve something without a solution. I was gradually tapering her until yesterday-- she was down to 10 mg/day. And she seemed way more lethargic. Which is why I decided to go the other way and gave her the dex. Now I am going back to 12.5 mg/day of prednisolone and seeing if that helps. She is up at the top of the cat tree again, though she needed some help to get to the top rung this time because her belly is so big it's hard for her to pull herself up there. I am surprised she is up there, because earlier she was so exhausted just from going to the litterbox that she laid down on her way back to take a break. She is eating some again, thank God, but not nearly as much as she was pre-dex. And I can not measure it anymore, because she is only interested in freshly opened jars of baby food today, and then only eats a little, so I have many open jars with a little bit gone and no idea how much she has eaten. I would guess maybe one jar full. Normally by this time of night she has been eating 2 or 2.5 jars full. But at least she is eating something. I syringed her a little food as well with herb tinctures I just got from Robert MacDowell in Australia, and she did not seem to mind so much, so maybe I should syringe her more, I don't know. I hate to bother her so much. she is very purry again, though. I really love her. thanks for asking, Michelle In a message dated 2/2/2007 8:06:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can always gradually taper off. What does your vet say? How is Lucy doing this evening? elizabeth
Re: Lucy--what to do?
It sounds like you have such a bond with her. She knows you are taking care of her...mine always seem to know. Please kiss sweet Lucy for me. I'm glad she is able to eat some. elizabeth On 2/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh my, my vet. Well, my vet probably really wishes I would stop asking him these questions every day. My vet thinks there is no way to figure out what is happening, and that I should just decide on something and he will give me the meds. He is very accommodating, but not very decisive. He think she has wet fip, he thinks there is not all that much to do, he is surprised she has been eating to date, he has never heard of some of the stuff I have had him order to put her on (feline interferon) and has never used other stuff (epogen) and I think that he thinks I am trying to solve something without a solution. I was gradually tapering her until yesterday-- she was down to 10 mg/day. And she seemed way more lethargic. Which is why I decided to go the other way and gave her the dex. Now I am going back to 12.5 mg/day of prednisolone and seeing if that helps. She is up at the top of the cat tree again, though she needed some help to get to the top rung this time because her belly is so big it's hard for her to pull herself up there. I am surprised she is up there, because earlier she was so exhausted just from going to the litterbox that she laid down on her way back to take a break. She is eating some again, thank God, but not nearly as much as she was pre-dex. And I can not measure it anymore, because she is only interested in freshly opened jars of baby food today, and then only eats a little, so I have many open jars with a little bit gone and no idea how much she has eaten. I would guess maybe one jar full. Normally by this time of night she has been eating 2 or 2.5 jars full. But at least she is eating something. I syringed her a little food as well with herb tinctures I just got from Robert MacDowell in Australia, and she did not seem to mind so much, so maybe I should syringe her more, I don't know. I hate to bother her so much. she is very purry again, though. I really love her. thanks for asking, Michelle In a message dated 2/2/2007 8:06:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can always gradually taper off. What does your vet say? How is Lucy doing this evening? elizabeth
Re: what would you do?
I just don't know Michelle... I wish I could help, but I just don't know! I will send her positive energy and peaceful thoughts, and hope for her remaining time to be happy times! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Bandit is NEGATIVE
Yay! Good for him! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Lucy
Just curious, but what about Depo/Dex mixed or some OTHER form of steroid (maybe something you have not tried yet)? Or would that flare her IBD so bad it would make her miserable? And what about lasix for the fluid accumulation? Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: what would you do?
Have you tried getting her to eat some lunch meat type stuff? Moogie ate that even when she was very near the end... boiled ham was her favorite. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Lucy--what to do?
I'm sure you've read a ton of material on this, Michelle - I've only just begun to learn about this because of your experience. I found this in the Merck Veterinary Manual (you've probably already seen it)...(looked it up - 1kg = 2.20462262lb) Treatment is directed toward controlling the immune-mediated vasculitis and reducing viral load. The most effective treatments are combinations of prednisolone (4 mg/kg or 50-100 mg/m2, PO, sid) and cyclophosphamide (2-4 mg/kg, PO, sid for 4 consecutive days of each week). Alternatively, the cyclophosphamide can be given at 50 mg/m2, PO, every 48 hr or 200-300 mg/m2, every 2-3 wk. Other cytotoxic agents may be substituted for the cyclophosphamide, such as chlorambucil at 10 mg/m2, PO, every 2-3 wk. Because this cytotoxic therapy may suppress bone marrow cells, the hemogram should be monitored weekly and the cat observed carefully for signs of sepsis. Supportive therapy for FIP is important and includes broad-spectrum antibiotics, adequate nutrition and fluid intake, and high doses of ascorbic acid (125-250 mg, bid). The use of low doses of aspirin (10 mg/kg every 48-72 hr) may be useful as an anti-inflammatory and possibly antithrombotic agent when used along with the steroids and cytotoxic agents. Treatment directed toward controlling the virus includes systemic interferon-a (10,000 U/kg, SC, sid or 1.3 million U/m2, SC, 3 times/wk). I don't mean to send you things you already know -- I just feel so frustrated because I want to help so much and I just don't know how. love and hugs, elizabeth On 2/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh my, my vet. Well, my vet probably really wishes I would stop asking him these questions every day. My vet thinks there is no way to figure out what is happening, and that I should just decide on something and he will give me the meds. He is very accommodating, but not very decisive. He think she has wet fip, he thinks there is not all that much to do, he is surprised she has been eating to date, he has never heard of some of the stuff I have had him order to put her on (feline interferon) and has never used other stuff (epogen) and I think that he thinks I am trying to solve something without a solution. I was gradually tapering her until yesterday-- she was down to 10 mg/day. And she seemed way more lethargic. Which is why I decided to go the other way and gave her the dex. Now I am going back to 12.5 mg/day of prednisolone and seeing if that helps. She is up at the top of the cat tree again, though she needed some help to get to the top rung this time because her belly is so big it's hard for her to pull herself up there. I am surprised she is up there, because earlier she was so exhausted just from going to the litterbox that she laid down on her way back to take a break. She is eating some again, thank God, but not nearly as much as she was pre-dex. And I can not measure it anymore, because she is only interested in freshly opened jars of baby food today, and then only eats a little, so I have many open jars with a little bit gone and no idea how much she has eaten. I would guess maybe one jar full. Normally by this time of night she has been eating 2 or 2.5 jars full. But at least she is eating something. I syringed her a little food as well with herb tinctures I just got from Robert MacDowell in Australia, and she did not seem to mind so much, so maybe I should syringe her more, I don't know. I hate to bother her so much. she is very purry again, though. I really love her. thanks for asking, Michelle In a message dated 2/2/2007 8:06:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can always gradually taper off. What does your vet say? How is Lucy doing this evening? elizabeth
Re: Bandit is NEGATIVE
I used that line or a variation of that quote to my vet on my last visit. I can't remember what he said, but I think he felt I was being pessimistic. He has a good sense of humor though. Sally On 2/2/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: um, folks, LIFE is ALWAYS FATAL! are we supposed to euthanize every thing that is born because it's going to die at some point? On 2/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah! Patti her clan PS - OT, but did anyone see Animal Planet (Animal Cops - Houston) last night? I was *FURIOUS* They found a stray and *repeatedly* said that Felv was *ALWAYS* fatal and they euphemize any cat that tests positive!!! G, they're going to get an informative e-mail from me! That's if I remember Just imagine how many people saw that will euthanize those babies Not to mention how many other shelters will do it because the Houston SPCA has that policy.. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com
Re: Bandit is NEGATIVE--Animal Planet
LIFE is always fatal technically! People get caught up in quantity. Even short lives are worth living! Every day is a gift, and tomorrow.. well, it's not to be taken for granted. Shame on animal cops for that negative attitude! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Bandit is NEGATIVE--Animal Planet (rude ranch)
does rude animal ranch have a website? Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Bandit is NEGATIVE--Animal Planet
Hi Kerry Here is the link to the Houston SPCA featured on Animal planet. http://www.spcahouston.org/SPCAHouston/Meet_the_HSPCA_Animal_Cruelty_Team.asp?SnID=2 Animal Planet's home page. http://animal.discovery.com/ You should be able to contact through these links. Sally On 2/2/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone has an email address to write to for Animal Planet, I'll send them the dozen or so inspiring FeLV testimonials I collected from you wonderful people last year to persuade the new PAWS shelter to include an FeLV room. (The shelter in question is slated to open July this year by the way. I'll be visiting as soon as it does open to check out if they kept their word and really did include an FELV room.) Kerry M. -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, February 02, 2007 10:33 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Bandit is NEGATIVE Yeah! Patti her clan PS - OT, but did anyone see Animal Planet (Animal Cops - Houston) last night? I was *FURIOUS* They found a stray and *repeatedly* said that Felv was *ALWAYS* fatal and they euphemize any cat that tests positive!!! G, they're going to get an informative e-mail from me! That's if I remember Just imagine how many people saw that will euthanize those babies Not to mention how many other shelters will do it because the Houston SPCA has that policy.. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com
Re: Lucy--what to do? - pentoxifylline?
I've been praying for Lucy and visualizing her healthy. I've also been looking over various bits of FIP info on the web. I've come across references to pentoxifylline (Trental made by Aventis Pharmaceuticals). I was unable to find a reference to Trental in recent digests, so I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about it. If you're interested, Google pentoxifylline FIP. Lance On Feb 2, 2007, at 7:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh my, my vet. Well, my vet probably really wishes I would stop asking him these questions every day. My vet thinks there is no way to figure out what is happening, and that I should just decide on something and he will give me the meds. He is very accommodating, but not very decisive. He think she has wet fip, he thinks there is not all that much to do, he is surprised she has been eating to date, he has never heard of some of the stuff I have had him order to put her on (feline interferon) and has never used other stuff (epogen) and I think that he thinks I am trying to solve something without a solution. I was gradually tapering her until yesterday-- she was down to 10 mg/day. And she seemed way more lethargic. Which is why I decided to go the other way and gave her the dex. Now I am going back to 12.5 mg/day of prednisolone and seeing if that helps. She is up at the top of the cat tree again, though she needed some help to get to the top rung this time because her belly is so big it's hard for her to pull herself up there. I am surprised she is up there, because earlier she was so exhausted just from going to the litterbox that she laid down on her way back to take a break. She is eating some again, thank God, but not nearly as much as she was pre-dex. And I can not measure it anymore, because she is only interested in freshly opened jars of baby food today, and then only eats a little, so I have many open jars with a little bit gone and no idea how much she has eaten. I would guess maybe one jar full. Normally by this time of night she has been eating 2 or 2.5 jars full. But at least she is eating something. I syringed her a little food as well with herb tinctures I just got from Robert MacDowell in Australia, and she did not seem to mind so much, so maybe I should syringe her more, I don't know. I hate to bother her so much. she is very purry again, though. I really love her. thanks for asking, Michelle In a message dated 2/2/2007 8:06:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can always gradually taper off. What does your vet say? How is Lucy doing this evening? elizabeth
Re: Lucy--what to do? - pentoxifylline?
Thank you. I have heard of it, and have read up on it. It seems to help sometimes with FIP. However, it's a blood thinner, and she is really anemic right now, so I would be afraid to try it. Also, I think all the meds I have given her have made her not want to eat much, so I don't think I want to start new ones on top. thanks for looking up things for us though, Michelle In a message dated 2/2/2007 10:02:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've been praying for Lucy and visualizing her healthy. I've also been looking over various bits of FIP info on the web. I've come across references to pentoxifylline (Trental made by Aventis Pharmaceuticals). I was unable to find a reference to Trental in recent digests, so I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about it. If you're interested, Google pentoxifylline FIP. Lance
