[Fwd: Need a Home (or foster) for a snap-tested Feleuk Kitty FAST!]
Anybody in the Nashville or Tennessee area ? please *call* me at 615-662-2386 Original Message Hi All, I know this is a major shot in the dark, but here goes: I was contacted by a woman who took a friendly stray female kitten to the vet, after the cat sustained a leg injury. The combo test showed Feleuk positive. This is a (reportedly) sweet short-hair gray tabby, with golden eyes. They are estimating the cat, named Cupcake, is about six months old. She is not spayed, and has not gone into heat yet. The woman feels unable to take the cat into her own home, as she has other kitties, even though they have been vaccinated for feleuk. She has paid for the leg injury to be sutured and cared for, and for the week-long boarding at the vet's office. Cupcake is at Danny King's Bellevue Animal Hospital. The woman can't afford to keep paying for boarding, and plans to have the cat euthanized on Tuesday, after she takes her daughter over to say good-bye to the cat. So we're looking at sometime around 3:00pm or so. If anyone has any leads,or is able to take this little girl, please *call* me at 615-662-2386 ASAP. Leave a message if I don't answer. The woman has already called all the Bellevue-area animal hospitals, and looked on PetFinder.com for rescues that are listing Feleuk cats in the area--there are none. I did suggest that she call Chris at the Cat Shoppe tomorrow, in case Chris knows of anyone who might take the kitty. Any suggestions or offers of help will be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Katherine PS. Those of you who are outside of Nashville or Tennessee (Hi, Tad!) are being contacted on the off-chance that you may know someone from the 'Net in this area who might be able to help.
Re: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****
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Re: A little more on the topic of pee
I've never had any luck with the plug ins..always use the sprays. They work in a more concentrated area instead of trying to do the whole house/room. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Hoffman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:29 PM Subject: Re: A little more on the topic of pee Don't bother. Trixie peed on the Feliway plug in. I saved a lot of money on refills right there. Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They definitely know what they are doing. I've used Feliway to calm cats and an alternative vet recommends Cat Nap and various flower essences including Rescue Remedy. Feliway is supposed to help with peeing problemsI've never had to use it for that (Thank God and all the Angels) but it sure works to calm my little friends and ferals I've had treated/spayed/neutered. A black light will tell where they have gone and where extra cleaning is needed to remove odor (even that only a cat can smell) and reduce the urge to go in the same place. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: Re: A little more on the topic of pee Oh I know they do it on purpose. One of my cats left a nice brown present for me right on my pillow the day we took Tomi in. She never did that before or since. Cassandra - Original Message - From: MaryChristine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:14 PM Subject: Re: A little more on the topic of pee i get such a kick out of the experts who say that cats don't do this on purpose, or don't hold grudges. have they never LIVED with them?? the little beasts know EXACTLY what they're doing, i'm convinced of it! and, yes, are giggling behind their paws as we discover their gifts and surprises! On 5/28/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, we always close the door. Same with the microwave. We close doors on toaster ovens and microwaves to protect the food that we've hidden from the cats. My mother was punished this morning for not getting up and cleaning litterboxes quickly enough. She awoke to the smell of poop. Two of her cats had managed to poop down a heating vent. At least she has until winter to take the thing apart and clean it out. Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:31 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote: I purchased a fireplace screen at a yard sale for Cat House on the Kings...I may be able to protect my space heater in the fall..then again I may not Kelly The toaster oven is NOT safe UNLESS you remember to ALWAYS close the door! My Sunset became annoyed when I went out of town overnight she peed into the toaster oven. I didn't suspect a thing until I tried to toast an English muffin. The stench was horrible! So do NOT assume that toaster ovens are safe. Cats are VERY creative. Remember what Fluffy did to my friends' winshield washers! Pam Susan Hoffman wrote: And there was the time that Trixie got my roommate's toaster It was late at night. I was lyinjg in bed reading, pinned in place by cats on either side. I smell what smells like a skunk. So I assume we have a skunk in the yard. Not the first time. No big deal. I think nothing of it. Next morning my roommate mentions the skunk to me. And how he was making toast at the time. And how he felt a little ill after eating the toastSlowly, it dawns on us. That was no skunk. Trixie peed in the toaster. AND HE ATE IT! Is that why Trixie was giggling? Larry is convinced that Trixie did this on purpose. She knows mommy NEVER eats toast. He's probably right. The toaster has
Re: l-lysine - ADVISE
What I have is Vet Viralys which I got from my vet. It says use 1/2 scoop (one scoop = 250 mg of l-lysine) twice a day for kittens under 6 months and 1 scoop for cats over six months but that the dosage can be adjusted. My vet didn't think oding would cause a problem. I don't know if this will help or not. Frankly, I would call my vet and ask. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:30 PM Subject: Re: l-lysine - ADVISE Rett, I cannot answer your question completely, but in case you don't get anymore replies, I used to give Smookie, my new kitten last year who had a corneal ulcer, 500 mg 2x per day. Some will probaby say that's a lot, but it worked wonders. Smookie was probably at least six months old at that point and at least 5 lbs. I would not give that much to one as small as you have. Hopefully, you'll get more info. on this. Also, make sure that the lysine does not have the additive propynol glycol. It causes blood issues in cats. :) Wendy --- Rett Lacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, How much do you give a kitten before their next retest ( first one, weak positive). Mg?? xday?? etc. Weight 2.5 - 3.0. Thanks to all.. Rett Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469
Re: Please add Scamper to the CLS list
Scamper is still with you and loves you both so much. He didn't want to leave you but just had to. His body was failing him. It was just a body, but what a beautiful body. And he loved to have it rubbed and cuddled. But he is still here. Talk to him and ask him to visit. He will and ask for a sign that he is there. He will provide it...wait though. Cats do things in their own time, not ours.that's why they are cats and we love them so. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:47 PM Subject: Please add Scamper to the CLS list Please add our cat Scamper of 18 years to the CLS list. He lost his fight with cancer and CRF, he died in my arms. He will go to the rainbow bridge to reunite with his sibling Eli who passed last year of complications form FIV. His memory will be kept alive, so in part he will be be still alive. He will be cremated, and then when my wife passes his ashes will join hers. He was the kitten that did not stay down stairs in the box we made for him. He jumped/climbed up the stairs to our bedroom, jump/climbed up the comforter on our water bed to sleep with us. Whitey Elric Bone, Regis, Luceria, Geo, Saiko, Stumpy, Marely, Eli, Cuddles, Butch, Romeo, Dartanion, Satan, Ni**er, Sasquash, Little Tux, Big Tux, and the too many others, help him at that place of rest, help him to enjoy being healthy and young again. Sam and Marcia
Re: Please add Scamper to the CLS list
Sam and Marcia,I am so sorry for the loss of your precious Scamper.Hugs to you both. Sherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please add our cat Scamper of 18 years to the CLS list. He lost his fight with cancer and CRF, he died in my arms. He will go to the rainbow bridge to reunite with his sibling Eli who passed last year of complications form FIV. His memory will be kept alive, so in part he will be be still alive. He will be cremated, and then when my wife passes his ashes will join hers. He was the kitten that did not stay down stairs in the box we made for him. He jumped/climbed up the stairs to our bedroom, jump/climbed up the comforter on our water bed to sleep with us. Whitey Elric Bone, Regis, Luceria, Geo, Saiko, Stumpy, Marely, Eli, Cuddles, Butch, Romeo, Dartanion, Satan, Ni**er, Sasquash, Little Tux, Big Tux, and the too many others, help him at that place of rest, help him to enjoy being healthy and young again. Sam and Marcia - Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids.
Re: Please add Scamper to the CLS list
So very sorry for your loss. It hurts way too much. Dede --- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam and Marcia,I am so sorry for the loss of your precious Scamper.Hugs to you both. Sherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please add our cat Scamper of 18 years to the CLS list. He lost his fight with cancer and CRF, he died in my arms. He will go to the rainbow bridge to reunite with his sibling Eli who passed last year of complications form FIV. His memory will be kept alive, so in part he will be be still alive. He will be cremated, and then when my wife passes his ashes will join hers. He was the kitten that did not stay down stairs in the box we made for him. He jumped/climbed up the stairs to our bedroom, jump/climbed up the comforter on our water bed to sleep with us. Whitey Elric Bone, Regis, Luceria, Geo, Saiko, Stumpy, Marely, Eli, Cuddles, Butch, Romeo, Dartanion, Satan, Ni**er, Sasquash, Little Tux, Big Tux, and the too many others, help him at that place of rest, help him to enjoy being healthy and young again. Sam and Marcia - Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/
Re: Kelley, how is Caroline doing?
I picked her up at 7:00 am. She seems much improved to me. She is looking around and growling. Still taking nothing by mouth, on fluids and tube feeding. They have narrowed the diagnosis to dry FIP or toxo. Not sure why brain cancer is not in the picture anymore or if they just didnt' write it down. Kelley On 5/28/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Kelley, Just wondering how your baby is doing? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Wendy: giardia
Wendy I think that giardia is most often contracted from contaminated water. I found MeMe through a photo on Petfinders. It was two months after NoNo died and there was something about her face that struck a cord. I called the 'shelter' and was told that she was just getting over an upper respiratory and was an abandoned kitten who had been with her for 4 months. We (my husband) and I drove 7 hours to what turned out to be a private home in which there were well over 100 cats. We were so stunned and so unable to breathe that we simply picked her up from a bed where she was sleeping with at least 40 other cats, signed a form, paid a fee, and left without breathing. I had spoken to the woman on the telephone several times before we decided to make the trip. She said that she had been tested for FeLV and was negative but had the remnants of an upper respiratory. She said she was treating her for diarrhea as a result of the antibiotic. What we encountered was a total shock. We took her to our local (allopathic) vet who was horrified at her condition (stomatitis giardia, ringworm and chronic sneezing). She tested negative for FIV and Bartonella and was not tested for FeLIV because I said she was negative. Her progress has been the (almost) elimination of sneezing and ringworm. The first giardia treatment did not work, so our homeopath is working on another treatment. That is MeMe's story. She is affectionate and confident and has become the alpha member of our pack of two Scottish Terriers. She bonded with them instantly and they seem so happy to have her. I'm writing into the ethers, just to make this real. Jane
Re: l-lysine - ADVISE
I use the l-lysine from a health food store, the powder inside a capsule, 250-500 mg once a day. It's an amino acid and is water soluble so any excess is excreted in the urine. Hard to OD on l-lysine. Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I have is Vet Viralys which I got from my vet. It says use 1/2 scoop (one scoop = 250 mg of l-lysine) twice a day for kittens under 6 months and 1 scoop for cats over six months but that the dosage can be adjusted. My vet didn't think oding would cause a problem. I don't know if this will help or not. Frankly, I would call my vet and ask. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: wendy To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:30 PM Subject: Re: l-lysine - ADVISE Rett, I cannot answer your question completely, but in case you don't get anymore replies, I used to give Smookie, my new kitten last year who had a corneal ulcer, 500 mg 2x per day. Some will probaby say that's a lot, but it worked wonders. Smookie was probably at least six months old at that point and at least 5 lbs. I would not give that much to one as small as you have. Hopefully, you'll get more info. on this. Also, make sure that the lysine does not have the additive propynol glycol. It causes blood issues in cats. :) Wendy --- Rett Lacy wrote: Hello, How much do you give a kitten before their next retest ( first one, weak positive). Mg?? xday?? etc. Weight 2.5 - 3.0. Thanks to all.. Rett Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469
Re: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****
Thats horrible! I hate to hear of people putting down or giving up pets because of new wives, girlfriends, boyfriends- whatever- when I was dating it was like- no- it is a package deal- me and my furchildren- take me as I am or leave meespecially since I fought so hard to keep Satine alive. on the other side of things- my husband and I saved a kitty and she is now part of the family- I named her Carrie Bradshaw from sex and the city as she has wild full hair like the main character- she is a maine coon cat. My dogs who I was worried about, love her- they smell her butt and my tibetian terrier mix I have found kissing her. We got her from a shelter here- I suspect that whoever gave her up before we got her might have been abusive- as she shys away from getting touched in the face- and the vet said they found a broken tooth on her- but she is having a wonderful time now- she loves my husband and I tease him and say that he is mr.big- she insists on getting in his office and into his heart. He closed the office door and she put her paw under the door- and wiggles it meowing, demanding to be with him- it is very cute. Shes not satine, and I do miss satine- but it feels natural to have a kitty again ^_^ Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend killed a 17 year old cat (?) he rescued when he was in college because he had a new wife, new stepdaughter, new house + and the cat was peeing on the carpet. I went home and tore up all the carpet. The only saving grace is that Gus would not have had almost 17 years of care had my friend not rescued him. I decided then that there would not be anything on the floors that was more valuable than my 4-legged friends. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelly L To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: Killing cats who pee on RUGS* At 12:59 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote: I find this conversation quite timely...You see I have just withdrawn my long time support of Best Friends because of something similar, I have been member and volunteer with them for almost 10 years. they have grown which is good. Well on their prayers and healing forum someone posted asking for prayers and support for their co worker because they were sad at deciding to have their cat PTS ,,killed because she keeps peeing on the carpet,.. I replied that I could not give support to such an act and then other members agreed...our posts were pulled and only the ones comforting this person were left, i received another demeaning letter from the moderator,,, this is not the first incident of that kind, but this one was the final STraw Best Friends does wonderful things, but I am no longer comfortable with may of theri policies at this time, Now I better go mop up pee ...after I get my shoes on of course.(lol) Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again. Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. Nina Susan Hoffman wrote: This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop -- I use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I wound up pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer. One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
RE: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****
Ever since we added 2 kittens to our household last July (they were initially fosters but due to illness and other issues we ended up keeping them), our cat Stinky (how appropro) has been peeing everywhere. Thank goodness we have only one area rug -- which of course, he does not pee on. He pees on vertical surfaces such as furniture like the stereo stand, walls, in front of the front and basement doors. Ugh. Our house smells like vinegar and the furniture is ruined. My husband keeps saying, we have to get rid of Stinky. I'm like -- I don't think so. We'll just have to deal with it. He is at least 7 years old and hopefully if we ever get to move to a bigger house, it will stop. Anita _ Change is good. See what’s different about Windows Live Hotmail. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507
Re: Kelley, how is Caroline doing?
I'm glad she's improved! I guess the news is better than you expected? Can they treat the toxo? If so, what do they treat it with? Are they waiting on lab results to verify it? Sorry I have so many questions. I'm curious and keep the info. for further reference. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I picked her up at 7:00 am. She seems much improved to me. She is looking around and growling. Still taking nothing by mouth, on fluids and tube feeding. They have narrowed the diagnosis to dry FIP or toxo. Not sure why brain cancer is not in the picture anymore or if they just didnt' write it down. Kelley On 5/28/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Kelley, Just wondering how your baby is doing? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
OT: Neighbor threatens ferals
Do you believe this storyevery day, I feed my front yard and back yard cats (I love in a townhome attached on both sides)..and have done so since we moved into the City in 1998. Last May my elderly neighbor moved out (she was pet friendly and had volunteered at the Humane Society) and new neighbors moved in (no pets). Over the weekend, I was cleaning out my backyard house of straw from winter and the husband neighbor came over and said a cat was pooping in the landing of his basement steps. I said I feed only stray cats and you can't control where they go as you can't control the birds pooping where they want. He said you don't walk in bird poop. But in any case, I said to let me think about the situation as it never happened before. So I went in and got a plastic bag and cleaned up the poop as I didn't want any problems. Funny that noone ever pooped in our landing but ours smells a lot better - not that musty yuck smell. Then that night, in the middle of the night, I realized the one thing that changed was my husband put stone along the only grassy section in the backyard. In the morning, I asked my husband to move the stones as I figured that would probably make it stop if it was indeed a cat/s. Then, the door bell rings and my neighbor wants to speak to my husband. Of course, it was about the cats. My husband said it might not be a cat/s, there are skunks and possums. And just to put some wood out to block the cat/s or animal/s from going down the steps to the landing. Then the neighbor says if it doesn't stop he's going to kill them! Then my husband said he couldn't do that or he'd go to jail -- and my husband said then he didn't have time to argue about it and came in. Now, I am worried about the kitties! I would love to take still somewhat feral Mom cat (tho she lets me pet her) from the front inside but I have way too many cats and doubt she'd appreciate it. If we ever move, she is definitely coming. I am crossing my fingers and hoping this blows over. Thanks for listening, I know I am rather long winded! Anita Every year shelters kill almost 5,000,000 cats, dogs, puppies kittens. Most were beautiful, loving creatures (even feral cats!) that died simply because they did not have a home. Every puppy or kitten born costs a shelter animal its life. Save lives, spay-neuter, support Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) adopt for life! _ Download Messenger. Start an i’m conversation. Support a cause. Join now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGWL_MAY07
Re: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****
Jenna, What a wonderful tribute to Satine that you brought another kitty home to love. And what a lucky kitty! Hoping for many happy and healthy years to come with your new addition. And I'm with you...when I was single, any guy that didn't like my cats was history. Package deal, like you said. :) Wendy --- Jenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats horrible! I hate to hear of people putting down or giving up pets because of new wives, girlfriends, boyfriends- whatever- when I was dating it was like- no- it is a package deal- me and my furchildren- take me as I am or leave meespecially since I fought so hard to keep Satine alive. on the other side of things- my husband and I saved a kitty and she is now part of the family- I named her Carrie Bradshaw from sex and the city as she has wild full hair like the main character- she is a maine coon cat. My dogs who I was worried about, love her- they smell her butt and my tibetian terrier mix I have found kissing her. We got her from a shelter here- I suspect that whoever gave her up before we got her might have been abusive- as she shys away from getting touched in the face- and the vet said they found a broken tooth on her- but she is having a wonderful time now- she loves my husband and I tease him and say that he is mr.big- she insists on getting in his office and into his heart. He closed the office door and she put her paw under the door- and wiggles it meowing, demanding to be with him- it is very cute. Shes not satine, and I do miss satine- but it feels natural to have a kitty again ^_^ Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend killed a 17 year old cat (?) he rescued when he was in college because he had a new wife, new stepdaughter, new house + and the cat was peeing on the carpet. I went home and tore up all the carpet. The only saving grace is that Gus would not have had almost 17 years of care had my friend not rescued him. I decided then that there would not be anything on the floors that was more valuable than my 4-legged friends. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelly L To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: Killing cats who pee on RUGS* At 12:59 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote: I find this conversation quite timely...You see I have just withdrawn my long time support of Best Friends because of something similar, I have been member and volunteer with them for almost 10 years. they have grown which is good. Well on their prayers and healing forum someone posted asking for prayers and support for their co worker because they were sad at deciding to have their cat PTS ,,killed because she keeps peeing on the carpet,.. I replied that I could not give support to such an act and then other members agreed...our posts were pulled and only the ones comforting this person were left, i received another demeaning letter from the moderator,,, this is not the first incident of that kind, but this one was the final STraw Best Friends does wonderful things, but I am no longer comfortable with may of theri policies at this time, Now I better go mop up pee ...after I get my shoes on of course.(lol) Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again. Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. Nina Susan Hoffman wrote: This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop -- I use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I wound up pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer. One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
Re: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****
Anita, that sounds more like spraying to me a direct reaction to the newcomers. Very common. In time hopefully it will decrease. I had to deal with it too for years. My piano was ruined needs total refinishing. But that can be done at some point. I can't cuddle my piano love it feel its warmth against my back in bed on cold winter nights. Stray Cat Alliance wrote: Ever since we added 2 kittens to our household last July (they were initially fosters but due to illness and other issues we ended up keeping them), our cat Stinky (how appropro) has been peeing everywhere. Thank goodness we have only one area rug -- which of course, he does not pee on. He pees on vertical surfaces such as furniture like the stereo stand, walls, in front of the front and basement doors. Ugh. Our house smells like vinegar and the furniture is ruined. My husband keeps saying, we have to get rid of Stinky. I'm like -- I don't think so. We'll just have to deal with it. He is at least 7 years old and hopefully if we ever get to move to a bigger house, it will stop. Anita Create the ultimate e-mail address book. Import your contacts to Windows Live Hotmail. Try it! www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/managemail2.html?locale=en-usocid=RMT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_impcont_0507
To Anita: RE: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****
Anita, Maybe changing his name would help...lol. ;) Wendy --- Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever since we added 2 kittens to our household last July (they were initially fosters but due to illness and other issues we ended up keeping them), our cat Stinky (how appropro) has been peeing everywhere. Thank goodness we have only one area rug -- which of course, he does not pee on. He pees on vertical surfaces such as furniture like the stereo stand, walls, in front of the front and basement doors. Ugh. Our house smells like vinegar and the furniture is ruined. My husband keeps saying, we have to get rid of Stinky. I'm like -- I don't think so. We'll just have to deal with it. He is at least 7 years old and hopefully if we ever get to move to a bigger house, it will stop. Anita _ Change is good. See whats different about Windows Live Hotmail. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/
Re: To Anita: RE: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****
Some in our group have had great luck using Elavil for cats that pee inappropriately. I think the way it was done, was to give it orally (or use ear cream) for 2 weeks, then gradually reduce it (like every other day) until the behavior showed up again, then administer as appropriate (weekly, daily, every two days, etc). Gloria On May 29, 2007, at 10:08 AM, wendy wrote: Anita, Maybe changing his name would help...lol. ;) Wendy --- Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever since we added 2 kittens to our household last July (they were initially fosters but due to illness and other issues we ended up keeping them), our cat Stinky (how appropro) has been peeing everywhere. Thank goodness we have only one area rug -- which of course, he does not pee on. He pees on vertical surfaces such as furniture like the stereo stand, walls, in front of the front and basement doors. Ugh. Our house smells like vinegar and the furniture is ruined. My husband keeps saying, we have to get rid of Stinky. I'm like -- I don't think so. We'll just have to deal with it. He is at least 7 years old and hopefully if we ever get to move to a bigger house, it will stop. Anita _ Change is good. See what’s different about Windows Live Hotmail. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=en- usocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ __Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/
Re: To Anita: RE: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****
I have heard Elavil works well for some. My Shimmer is on the highest allowable dose and pees on everything anyway. On 5/29/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some in our group have had great luck using Elavil for cats that pee inappropriately. I think the way it was done, was to give it orally (or use ear cream) for 2 weeks, then gradually reduce it (like every other day) until the behavior showed up again, then administer as appropriate (weekly, daily, every two days, etc). Gloria On May 29, 2007, at 10:08 AM, wendy wrote: Anita, Maybe changing his name would help...lol. ;) Wendy --- Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever since we added 2 kittens to our household last July (they were initially fosters but due to illness and other issues we ended up keeping them), our cat Stinky (how appropro) has been peeing everywhere. Thank goodness we have only one area rug -- which of course, he does not pee on. He pees on vertical surfaces such as furniture like the stereo stand, walls, in front of the front and basement doors. Ugh. Our house smells like vinegar and the furniture is ruined. My husband keeps saying, we have to get rid of Stinky. I'm like -- I don't think so. We'll just have to deal with it. He is at least 7 years old and hopefully if we ever get to move to a bigger house, it will stop. Anita _ Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=en- usocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ __Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: To Anita: RE: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****
I've also know some folks use Valium. One source on the internet praised Prosac. I don't know much about it from personal experience. Gloria On May 29, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I have heard Elavil works well for some. My Shimmer is on the highest allowable dose and pees on everything anyway. On 5/29/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some in our group have had great luck using Elavil for cats that pee inappropriately. I think the way it was done, was to give it orally (or use ear cream) for 2 weeks, then gradually reduce it (like every other day) until the behavior showed up again, then administer as appropriate (weekly, daily, every two days, etc). Gloria On May 29, 2007, at 10:08 AM, wendy wrote: Anita, Maybe changing his name would help...lol. ;) Wendy --- Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever since we added 2 kittens to our household last July (they were initially fosters but due to illness and other issues we ended up keeping them), our cat Stinky (how appropro) has been peeing everywhere. Thank goodness we have only one area rug -- which of course, he does not pee on. He pees on vertical surfaces such as furniture like the stereo stand, walls, in front of the front and basement doors. Ugh. Our house smells like vinegar and the furniture is ruined. My husband keeps saying, we have to get rid of Stinky. I'm like -- I don't think so. We'll just have to deal with it. He is at least 7 years old and hopefully if we ever get to move to a bigger house, it will stop. Anita _ Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=en- usocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ _ _ __Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: To Anita: RE: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****
And also Prozac and Buspar Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've also know some folks use Valium. One source on the internet praised Prosac. I don't know much about it from personal experience. Gloria On May 29, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I have heard Elavil works well for some. My Shimmer is on the highest allowable dose and pees on everything anyway. On 5/29/07, Gloria Lane wrote: Some in our group have had great luck using Elavil for cats that pee inappropriately. I think the way it was done, was to give it orally (or use ear cream) for 2 weeks, then gradually reduce it (like every other day) until the behavior showed up again, then administer as appropriate (weekly, daily, every two days, etc). Gloria On May 29, 2007, at 10:08 AM, wendy wrote: Anita, Maybe changing his name would help...lol. ;) Wendy --- Stray Cat Alliance wrote: Ever since we added 2 kittens to our household last July (they were initially fosters but due to illness and other issues we ended up keeping them), our cat Stinky (how appropro) has been peeing everywhere. Thank goodness we have only one area rug -- which of course, he does not pee on. He pees on vertical surfaces such as furniture like the stereo stand, walls, in front of the front and basement doors. Ugh. Our house smells like vinegar and the furniture is ruined. My husband keeps saying, we have to get rid of Stinky. I'm like -- I don't think so. We'll just have to deal with it. He is at least 7 years old and hopefully if we ever get to move to a bigger house, it will stop. Anita _ Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=en- usocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ _ _ __Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Kelley, how is Caroline doing?
THey can treat toxo. It is treated with clindamycin (sp?). They haven't tested for it. It has to be sent out to a lab and it takes a while to get the results back apparently. I okayed the treatment since it wouldn't hurt anything and might help. If it is dry FIP or brain cancer, there aren' tany effective treatments for either. On 5/29/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm glad she's improved! I guess the news is better than you expected? Can they treat the toxo? If so, what do they treat it with? Are they waiting on lab results to verify it? Sorry I have so many questions. I'm curious and keep the info. for further reference. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I picked her up at 7:00 am. She seems much improved to me. She is looking around and growling. Still taking nothing by mouth, on fluids and tube feeding. They have narrowed the diagnosis to dry FIP or toxo. Not sure why brain cancer is not in the picture anymore or if they just didnt' write it down. Kelley On 5/28/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Kelley, Just wondering how your baby is doing? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: OT: Neighbor threatens ferals
Anita, I'm so sorry. That stinks that your new neighbor is being a jerk. Saying you're going to kill an animal is very serious and cruel. Is it an option for you to speak with the wife when he is not home? Maybe she doesn't know that he did this. Also, could you talk to the ferals the next time you feed them and explain the situation and tell them that this guys is dangerous. Maybe that would help. If this situation gets more serious, there are options, like calling a shelter to have the ferals trapped and moved to someplace safe, or calling the aspca on this guy. Prayers going out that his heart would soften and that the kitties stay out of his path. :) Wendy --- Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you believe this storyevery day, I feed my front yard and back yard cats (I love in a townhome attached on both sides)..and have done so since we moved into the City in 1998. Last May my elderly neighbor moved out (she was pet friendly and had volunteered at the Humane Society) and new neighbors moved in (no pets). Over the weekend, I was cleaning out my backyard house of straw from winter and the husband neighbor came over and said a cat was pooping in the landing of his basement steps. I said I feed only stray cats and you can't control where they go as you can't control the birds pooping where they want. He said you don't walk in bird poop. But in any case, I said to let me think about the situation as it never happened before. So I went in and got a plastic bag and cleaned up the poop as I didn't want any problems. Funny that noone ever pooped in our landing but ours smells a lot better - not that musty yuck smell. Then that night, in the middle of the night, I realized the one thing that changed was my husband put stone along the only grassy section in the backyard. In the morning, I asked my husband to move the stones as I figured that would probably make it stop if it was indeed a cat/s. Then, the door bell rings and my neighbor wants to speak to my husband. Of course, it was about the cats. My husband said it might not be a cat/s, there are skunks and possums. And just to put some wood out to block the cat/s or animal/s from going down the steps to the landing. Then the neighbor says if it doesn't stop he's going to kill them! Then my husband said he couldn't do that or he'd go to jail -- and my husband said then he didn't have time to argue about it and came in. Now, I am worried about the kitties! I would love to take still somewhat feral Mom cat (tho she lets me pet her) from the front inside but I have way too many cats and doubt she'd appreciate it. If we ever move, she is definitely coming. I am crossing my fingers and hoping this blows over. Thanks for listening, I know I am rather long winded! Anita Every year shelters kill almost 5,000,000 cats, dogs, puppies kittens. Most were beautiful, loving creatures (even feral cats!) that died simply because they did not have a home. Every puppy or kitten born costs a shelter animal its life. Save lives, spay-neuter, support Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) adopt for life! _ Download Messenger. Start an im conversation. Support a cause. Join now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGWL_MAY07 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
Re: OT: Neighbor threatens ferals
Hey Anita, This is one of my worst nightmares. The apathy in my less than desirable neighborhood causes my overcrowded rescue efforts, but it also has the benefit of protecting me from just this sort of thing. I know how distasteful this suggestion is going to sound, but I think your best bet is to muster the stomach to appease this horrible new neighbor of yours. People like this are desperate for attention. Give it to him! If I were you, I'd go over there and tell him that even though these animals are strays, you love them and feel responsible for them. Let him know you understand why he's upset and, if he'll let you, tell him what you are planing to do to rectify the situation. Ask him to allow you a time frame to see if your ideas are working, (maybe a month). Don't make suggestions about what he could do, ask him to let you do these things FOR him. Clean out his landing, spray cat-be-gone products, block the entrance, pour wood chips in any area that looks like a cat might use to relieve themselves. Enlist his help by asking him to let you know if he spots any cats on his property and to call you so you can come and clean up any messes they make. I would tell him you are sorry that you got off on the wrong foot and maybe even apologize for my husband's rudeness, (very difficult to do, I know). In short kiss this guy's ass! Believe me, I understand how hard this might be to do, but you have to think of the end result. You don't want him calling animal control, and you certainly don't want him putting poison down for your unsuspecting cats. Nip this feud in the bud, it's not about you, it's about the safety of your babies. I would figure out some sort of enclosure if you can and start trapping asap. I'm sorry this has happened. Please let us know how it is going, Nina Stray Cat Alliance wrote: Do you believe this storyevery day, I feed my front yard and back yard cats (I love in a townhome attached on both sides)..and have done so since we moved into the City in 1998. Last May my elderly neighbor moved out (she was pet friendly and had volunteered at the Humane Society) and new neighbors moved in (no pets). Over the weekend, I was cleaning out my backyard house of straw from winter and the husband neighbor came over and said a cat was pooping in the landing of his basement steps. I said I feed only stray cats and you can't control where they go as you can't control the birds pooping where they want. He said you don't walk in bird poop. But in any case, I said to let me think about the situation as it never happened before. So I went in and got a plastic bag and cleaned up the poop as I didn't want any problems. Funny that noone ever pooped in our landing but ours smells a lot better - not that musty yuck smell. Then that night, in the middle of the night, I realized the one thing that changed was my husband put stone along the only grassy section in the backyard. In the morning, I asked my husband to move the stones as I figured that would probably make it stop if it was indeed a cat/s. Then, the door bell rings and my neighbor wants to speak to my husband. Of course, it was about the cats. My husband said it might not be a cat/s, there are skunks and possums. And just to put some wood out to block the cat/s or animal/s from going down the steps to the landing. Then the neighbor says if it doesn't stop he's going to kill them! Then my husband said he couldn't do that or he'd go to jail -- and my husband said then he didn't have time to argue about it and came in. Now, I am worried about the kitties! I would love to take still somewhat feral Mom cat (tho she lets me pet her) from the front inside but I have way too many cats and doubt she'd appreciate it. If we ever move, she is definitely coming. I am crossing my fingers and hoping this blows over. Thanks for listening, I know I am rather long winded! Anita Every year shelters kill almost 5,000,000 cats, dogs, puppies kittens. Most were beautiful, loving creatures (even feral cats!) that died simply because they did not have a home. Every puppy or kitten born costs a shelter animal its life. Save lives, spay-neuter, support Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) adopt for life! Download Messenger. Start an i’m conversation. Support a cause. Join Now! http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGWL_MAY07
Virbagen Omega..Lance?
I spoke to my homeopathic vet today and she does not know about Virbagen Omega but said she would be very interested in researching it. Lance can you give me any contact info that I can forward to her? Also ...I was reading about Immuno Regulin on the Home Page for this website. Has anyone any experience with it? Thanks for your help, again Jane
RE: OT: Neighbor threatens ferals
Anita -- As Nina will attest, over on the feral_cats yahoogroup this is referred to as being vanilla and has been proven as one of the best ways to deal with ignorant and/or hostile people. Hard as it is, maybe it IS just a case of getting off on the wrong foot, maybe when not assailed, as he would consider it, by cat poop and made to feel defensive about it this guy is actually a nice person. Or he could be a total waste of skin. But either way, maybe you can win him over and keep your kidlets safe. Possibly, he may even tell people, hey, I've got these *cat* people living next door -- but they seem to be okay. Although it doesn't sound to me like your husband was actually *being* rude -- I know how *I* would respond to I'll kill your cats -- it would be cool to defuse the hostility and have neighbors you can actually stand. Do you think it would be possible for both of you to bring over a welcome plate of cookies or something, and tell them you'd like to sit down and discuss all the stuff Nina mentioned? You could mention in a non-accusatory way that the other neighbor liked the cats so it may take you a little while to figure out what to do, and ask them to bear with you. Oh, and document everything. For now, write down the date and content of the conversations you and your husband have had with the neighbor already. Write down what you initially did to placate the guy. And later, even if your vanilla meeting goes well, write down everything that is said and all the actions you subsequently take. And continue to document any interactions between the cats and the neighbors. That way if, God forbid, something does happen to your cats, you'll have something to show the cops about the situation. I really really hope it doesn't come to that. Best of luck. I've had crappy neighbors in my time, and know how worrisome that can be. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: Neighbor threatens ferals Hey Anita, This is one of my worst nightmares. The apathy in my less than desirable neighborhood causes my overcrowded rescue efforts, but it also has the benefit of protecting me from just this sort of thing. I know how distasteful this suggestion is going to sound, but I think your best bet is to muster the stomach to appease this horrible new neighbor of yours. People like this are desperate for attention. Give it to him! If I were you, I'd go over there and tell him that even though these animals are strays, you love them and feel responsible for them. Let him know you understand why he's upset and, if he'll let you, tell him what you are planing to do to rectify the situation. Ask him to allow you a time frame to see if your ideas are working, (maybe a month). Don't make suggestions about what he could do, ask him to let you do these things FOR him. Clean out his landing, spray cat-be-gone products, block the entrance, pour wood chips in any area that looks like a cat might use to relieve themselves. Enlist his help by asking him to let you know if he spots any cats on his property and to call you so you can come and clean up any messes they make. I would tell him you are sorry that you got off on the wrong foot and maybe even apologize for my husband's rudeness, (very difficult to do, I know). In short kiss this guy's ass! Believe me, I understand how hard this might be to do, but you have to think of the end result. You don't want him calling animal control, and you certainly don't want him putting poison down for your unsuspecting cats. Nip this feud in the bud, it's not about you, it's about the safety of your babies. I would figure out some sort of enclosure if you can and start trapping asap. I'm sorry this has happened. Please let us know how it is going, Nina Stray Cat Alliance wrote: Do you believe this storyevery day, I feed my front yard and back yard cats (I love in a townhome attached on both sides)..and have done so since we moved into the City in 1998. Last May my elderly neighbor moved out (she was pet friendly and had volunteered at the Humane Society) and new neighbors moved in (no pets). Over the weekend, I was cleaning out my backyard house of straw from winter and the husband neighbor came over and said a cat was pooping in the landing of his basement steps. I said I feed only stray cats and you can't control where they go as you can't control the birds pooping where they want. He said you don't walk in bird poop. But in any case, I said to let me think about the situation as it never happened before. So I went in and got a plastic bag and cleaned up the poop as I didn't want any problems. Funny that noone ever pooped in our landing but ours smells a lot better - not that musty yuck smell. Then that night, in the middle of the night, I realized
RE: OT: Neighbor threatens ferals
Thank you all for your wonderful suggestions! I did get my husband to write down what the neighbor said to him yesterday -- but it is a good idea to write down everything and dates. I will do my best to muster up niceness when I want to scream and talk to the neighbor. The wife doesn't speak very good English so I don't think she'd be a good option. I really can't trap everybody and relocate...and an enclosure wouldn't work where I live now so I am hoping and praying for a positive resolution for all. Thank you again, will keep you posted. Anita _ Add some color. Personalize your inbox with your favorite colors. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/personalize.html?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_addcolor_0507
Re: Virbagen Omega..Lance?
Hi Jane, Tell your vet to contact my specialty clinic about the Interferon Omega. It's been a while, but hopefully Michelle Rose is still there. She was great about compiling an FDA packet for vets that wanted to apply for special dispensation for it. (It has been approved for veterinary use in Europe, but not in the US). I'm sure they would be happy to answer any questions about it's use. Here's the paste from the email I wrote about contacting them: For anyone interested in starting the process of obtaining Feline Interferon, (Virbagen Omega)... My vet's liaison, Michelle Rose, at Veterinary Medical and Surgical Group in Ventura CA (805-339-2290)has made an FDA packet that she will fax out to anyone's vet who is interested in starting the special dispensation process. She says everything they need to know will be in there, and of course they can call her if there are further questions. Since only vets can apply, only they, or their offices should call. If she's not available, have your vet leave their voice and fax numbers on her voice mail. If you have any trouble, email me directly and I'll call her. In the meantime, (or if you decide not to acquire the IO, it's very expensive), you might want to start MeMe on oral Interferon Alpha. IA is used to boost immune response in humans suffering with cancer and does seem to have some benefits for our kits as well. IO is suspected to be more beneficial, (it's derived from feline dna, rather than human), it's hoped that cats won't develop immunity to it's effects. My vet also suspected that the oral might be beneficial for stomatitis as well. It is inexpensive and readily available. There are several different protocols used. Some people use a pulse protocol, (7 days on 7 days off for example). I used to give it whenever my felv kids were exhibiting symptoms. Usually the dose is 1cc daily, but I'd give them up to 3cc when warranted. There is a ton of info about both interferons in our archives. Several list members have had good results with IR. Cindy used it subq, (rather than the recommended IV), to alleviate unexplained fever spikes. From what I understand about it, it's a bacteria that when administered causes the immune system to kick in against it and theoretically battle whatever is causing symptoms. Nina Jane Lyons wrote: I spoke to my homeopathic vet today and she does not know about Virbagen Omega but said she would be very interested in researching it. Lance can you give me any contact info that I can forward to her? Also ...I was reading about Immuno Regulin on the Home Page for this website. Has anyone any experience with it? Thanks for your help, again Jane
Re: OT: Neighbor threatens ferals
Believe me, my first reaction would be to retaliate in kind to this creep, but... Even if the wife did speak english fluently, you're probably better off approaching the husband. Your objective is to make him feel important and it's my guess that he doesn't respect his wife's opinion about things anyway. Men like this usually respond to other men better than women, but he might also like the feeling of power he gets from you appealing to him to indulge your love of animals. The whole thing makes me nauseous just thinking about it. Nina Stray Cat Alliance wrote: Thank you all for your wonderful suggestions! I did get my husband to write down what the neighbor said to him yesterday -- but it is a good idea to write down everything and dates. I will do my best to muster up niceness when I want to scream and talk to the neighbor. The wife doesn't speak very good English so I don't think she'd be a good option. I really can't trap everybody and relocate...and an enclosure wouldn't work where I live now so I am hoping and praying for a positive resolution for all. Thank you again, will keep you posted. Anita Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. Check it out! www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=en-usocid=RMT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507
RE: OT: Neighbor threatens ferals
Yah. This is my late dad, the great withholder of stuff because you didn't ask ME. But I digress. It's sort of telling that the guy asked to speak to your husband. It's a certain mentality. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: Neighbor threatens ferals Believe me, my first reaction would be to retaliate in kind to this creep, but... Even if the wife did speak english fluently, you're probably better off approaching the husband. Your objective is to make him feel important and it's my guess that he doesn't respect his wife's opinion about things anyway. Men like this usually respond to other men better than women, but he might also like the feeling of power he gets from you appealing to him to indulge your love of animals. The whole thing makes me nauseous just thinking about it. Nina Stray Cat Alliance wrote: Thank you all for your wonderful suggestions! I did get my husband to write down what the neighbor said to him yesterday -- but it is a good idea to write down everything and dates. I will do my best to muster up niceness when I want to scream and talk to the neighbor. The wife doesn't speak very good English so I don't think she'd be a good option. I really can't trap everybody and relocate...and an enclosure wouldn't work where I live now so I am hoping and praying for a positive resolution for all. Thank you again, will keep you posted. Anita Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. Check it out! www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=en-usocid=RM T_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507 This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Horus Please Add to the CLS :(
Horus I only got to know through e-mails and pic from Dr. Jen.He had to have one of his eyes removed and was blind in the other.He suffered severe head trauma and lived at Jens house.He slept next to her every night and purred his little heart out to her.(I am crying now as I write this) Dr. Jen became very attached to this beautiful black boy.He lost control of his tongue and was not able to eat properly.She really HATED to admit defeat but had to let him go on the 27th.He was also felv+. I admire ALL that she does for these wonderful babies!! Thank you all for being here for me. Sherry - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.
RE: Horus Please Add to the CLS :(
Oh dear. Hugs to Jen for all she does and gentle Bridge vibes to Horus. He had too much trouble in his little life, but obviously also much love. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:05 PM To: Felvtalk Subject: Horus Please Add to the CLS :( Horus I only got to know through e-mails and pic from Dr. Jen.He had to have one of his eyes removed and was blind in the other.He suffered severe head trauma and lived at Jens house.He slept next to her every night and purred his little heart out to her.(I am crying now as I write this) Dr. Jen became very attached to this beautiful black boy.He lost control of his tongue and was not able to eat properly.She really HATED to admit defeat but had to let him go on the 27th.He was also felv+. I admire ALL that she does for these wonderful babies!! Thank you all for being here for me. Sherry Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48516/*http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yaho o_panel_invite.asp?a=7 and lay it on us. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: Horus Please Add to the CLS :(
Dear Sherry, My condolences to you and Dr. Jen. Please let her know that we feel her pain and admire all she, you and all the folks involved with the shelter do for these sweet angels. Thank you for continuously putting your hearts in the line of fire in order to give them the gifts of comfort, hope and love. Nina Sherry DeHaan wrote: Horus I only got to know through e-mails and pic from Dr. Jen.He had to have one of his eyes removed and was blind in the other.He suffered severe head trauma and lived at Jens house.He slept next to her every night and purred his little heart out to her.(I am crying now as I write this) Dr. Jen became very attached to this beautiful black boy.He lost control of his tongue and was not able to eat properly.She really HATED to admit defeat but had to let him go on the 27th.He was also felv+. I admire ALL that she does for these wonderful babies!! Thank you all for being here for me. Sherry
Re: Kelley, how is Caroline doing?
Oh Kelly, I did the same thing. It was like it can't hurt now he is testing + for hemobart and is on doxy. We can only do what we think is best, and hope for the best. God bless you both, Dede --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THey can treat toxo. It is treated with clindamycin (sp?). They haven't tested for it. It has to be sent out to a lab and it takes a while to get the results back apparently. I okayed the treatment since it wouldn't hurt anything and might help. If it is dry FIP or brain cancer, there aren' tany effective treatments for either. On 5/29/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm glad she's improved! I guess the news is better than you expected? Can they treat the toxo? If so, what do they treat it with? Are they waiting on lab results to verify it? Sorry I have so many questions. I'm curious and keep the info. for further reference. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I picked her up at 7:00 am. She seems much improved to me. She is looking around and growling. Still taking nothing by mouth, on fluids and tube feeding. They have narrowed the diagnosis to dry FIP or toxo. Not sure why brain cancer is not in the picture anymore or if they just didnt' write it down. Kelley On 5/28/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Kelley, Just wondering how your baby is doing? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html
Re: OT: Neighbor threatens ferals
If someone hasn't already suggested it, please join the feral cat group at
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feral_cats/ (3000+ members nationwide).
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believe this storyevery day, I feed my front yard and back yard cats (I
love in a townhome attached on both sides)..and have done so since we moved
into the City in 1998. Last May my elderly neighbor moved out (she was pet
friendly and had volunteered at the Humane Society) and new neighbors moved in
(no pets).
Over the weekend, I was cleaning out my backyard house of straw from winter and
the husband neighbor came over and said a cat was pooping in the landing of his
basement steps. I said I feed only stray cats and you can't control where they
go as you can't control the birds pooping where they want. He said you don't
walk in bird poop. But in any case, I said to let me think about the situation
as it never happened before. So I went in and got a plastic bag and cleaned up
the poop as I didn't want any problems. Funny that noone ever pooped in our
landing but ours smells a lot better - not that musty yuck smell.
Then that night, in the middle of the night, I realized the one thing that
changed was my husband put stone along the only grassy section in the backyard.
In the morning, I asked my husband to move the stones as I figured that would
probably make it stop if it was indeed a cat/s.
Then, the door bell rings and my neighbor wants to speak to my husband. Of
course, it was about the cats. My husband said it might not be a cat/s, there
are skunks and possums. And just to put some wood out to block the cat/s or
animal/s from going down the steps to the landing.
Then the neighbor says if it doesn't stop he's going to kill them! Then my
husband said he couldn't do that or he'd go to jail -- and my husband said then
he didn't have time to argue about it and came in.
Now, I am worried about the kitties! I would love to take still somewhat feral
Mom cat (tho she lets me pet her) from the front inside but I have way too many
cats and doubt she'd appreciate it. If we ever move, she is definitely coming.
I am crossing my fingers and hoping this blows over.
Thanks for listening, I know I am rather long winded!
Anita
Every year shelters kill almost 5,000,000 cats, dogs, puppies kittens.
Most were beautiful, loving creatures (even feral cats!) that died simply
because they did not have a home.
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RE: OT: Neighbor threatens ferals
Thanks Susan. I actually do belong to the feral cat group -- great group of people, just like here! For me, it is so much easier telling other people what to do in such situations as this but it is so different for some reason, being in it myself. Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:33:29 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: OT: Neighbor threatens feralsTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] someone hasn't already suggested it, please join the feral cat group at http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feral_cats/ (3000+ members nationwide).Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you believe this storyevery day, I feed my front yard and back yard cats (I love in a townhome attached on both sides)..and have done so since we moved into the City in 1998. Last May my elderly neighbor moved out (she was pet friendly and had volunteered at the Humane Society) and new neighbors moved in (no pets). Over the weekend, I was cleaning out my backyard house of straw from winter and the husband neighbor came over and said a cat was pooping in the landing of his basement steps. I said I feed only stray cats and you can't control where they go as you can't control the birds pooping where they want. He said you don't walk in bird poop. But in any case, I said to let me think about the situation as it never happened before. So I went in and got a plastic bag and cleaned up the poop as I didn't want any problems. Funny that noone ever pooped in our landing but ours smells a lot better - not that musty yuck smell. Then that night, in the middle of the night, I realized the one thing that changed was my husband put stone along the only grassy section in the backyard. In the morning, I asked my husband to move the stones as I figured that would probably make it stop if it was indeed a cat/s. Then, the door bell rings and my neighbor wants to speak to my husband. Of course, it was about the cats. My husband said it might not be a cat/s, there are skunks and possums. And just to put some wood out to block the cat/s or animal/s from going down the steps to the landing. Then the neighbor says if it doesn't stop he's going to kill them! Then my husband said he couldn't do that or he'd go to jail -- and my husband said then he didn't have time to argue about it and came in. Now, I am worried about the kitties! I would love to take still somewhat feral Mom cat (tho she lets me pet her) from the front inside but I have way too many cats and doubt she'd appreciate it. If we ever move, she is definitely coming. I am crossing my fingers and hoping this blows over. Thanks for listening, I know I am rather long winded! AnitaEvery year shelters kill almost 5,000,000 cats, dogs, puppies kittens. Most were beautiful, loving creatures (even feral cats!) that died simply because they did not have a home. Every puppy or kitten born costs a shelter animal its life. Save lives, spay-neuter, support Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) adopt for life! Download Messenger. Start an i’m conversation. Support a cause. Join Now! _ Download Messenger. Start an i’m conversation. Support a cause. Join now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGWL_MAY07
Re: Kelley, how is Caroline doing?
I could have a CT scan done, which would rule brain cancer in or out, but I don't see much reason to do that since brain cancer cannot be treated. We could test for toxo, but he says he's never seen a cat w/toxo that came from Texas - he's only seen one and that cat came from out of state. She's on the clinical dose to treat toxo. That leaves dry FIP. She *is* getting better, though she's not normal. On 5/29/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Kelly, I did the same thing. It was like it can't hurt now he is testing + for hemobart and is on doxy. We can only do what we think is best, and hope for the best. God bless you both, Dede --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THey can treat toxo. It is treated with clindamycin (sp?). They haven't tested for it. It has to be sent out to a lab and it takes a while to get the results back apparently. I okayed the treatment since it wouldn't hurt anything and might help. If it is dry FIP or brain cancer, there aren' tany effective treatments for either. On 5/29/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm glad she's improved! I guess the news is better than you expected? Can they treat the toxo? If so, what do they treat it with? Are they waiting on lab results to verify it? Sorry I have so many questions. I'm curious and keep the info. for further reference. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I picked her up at 7:00 am. She seems much improved to me. She is looking around and growling. Still taking nothing by mouth, on fluids and tube feeding. They have narrowed the diagnosis to dry FIP or toxo. Not sure why brain cancer is not in the picture anymore or if they just didnt' write it down. Kelley On 5/28/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Kelley, Just wondering how your baby is doing? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Kelley, how is Caroline doing?
Growling is good. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifest. On May 29, 2007, at 8:22 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I picked her up at 7:00 am. She seems much improved to me. She is looking around and growling. Still taking nothing by mouth, on fluids and tube feeding. They have narrowed the diagnosis to dry FIP or toxo. Not sure why brain cancer is not in the picture anymore or if they just didnt' write it down. Kelley On 5/28/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Kelley, Just wondering how your baby is doing? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ _ ___Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Wendy: giardia
As I recall, giardia is hard to see, sometimes because it has different stages so it can be a pain. Bless MeMe's little heart--you got her outta there! Bless your hearts, too. What a story! My Lili had a bg patch of ringworm on her very tiny self and we all got it--just tiny patches but it seemed to be a self-limiting strain and everyone (including Lili) lost it quite rapidly with treatment (we had ringworm stuff from the traditional vet--and I used it, too! Auntie Dr. Val and vet tech Linda said,You did? And I said, I'm a mammal, too!) Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 29, 2007, at 8:30 AM, Jane Lyons wrote: Wendy I think that giardia is most often contracted from contaminated water. I found MeMe through a photo on Petfinders. It was two months after NoNo died and there was something about her face that struck a cord. I called the 'shelter' and was told that she was just getting over an upper respiratory and was an abandoned kitten who had been with her for 4 months. We (my husband) and I drove 7 hours to what turned out to be a private home in which there were well over 100 cats. We were so stunned and so unable to breathe that we simply picked her up from a bed where she was sleeping with at least 40 other cats, signed a form, paid a fee, and left without breathing. I had spoken to the woman on the telephone several times before we decided to make the trip. She said that she had been tested for FeLV and was negative but had the remnants of an upper respiratory. She said she was treating her for diarrhea as a result of the antibiotic. What we encountered was a total shock. We took her to our local (allopathic) vet who was horrified at her condition (stomatitis giardia, ringworm and chronic sneezing). She tested negative for FIV and Bartonella and was not tested for FeLIV because I said she was negative. Her progress has been the (almost) elimination of sneezing and ringworm. The first giardia treatment did not work, so our homeopath is working on another treatment. That is MeMe's story. She is affectionate and confident and has become the alpha member of our pack of two Scottish Terriers. She bonded with them instantly and they seem so happy to have her. I'm writing into the ethers, just to make this real. Jane
Re: l-lysine - ADVISE
Me, too. Same amount. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 29, 2007, at 8:38 AM, Susan Hoffman wrote: I use the l-lysine from a health food store, the powder inside a capsule, 250-500 mg once a day. It's an amino acid and is water soluble so any excess is excreted in the urine. Hard to OD on l- lysine. Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I have is Vet Viralys which I got from my vet. It says use 1/2 scoop (one scoop = 250 mg of l-lysine) twice a day for kittens under 6 months and 1 scoop for cats over six months but that the dosage can be adjusted. My vet didn't think oding would cause a problem. I don't know if this will help or not. Frankly, I would call my vet and ask. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: wendy To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:30 PM Subject: Re: l-lysine - ADVISE Rett, I cannot answer your question completely, but in case you don't get anymore replies, I used to give Smookie, my new kitten last year who had a corneal ulcer, 500 mg 2x per day. Some will probaby say that's a lot, but it worked wonders. Smookie was probably at least six months old at that point and at least 5 lbs. I would not give that much to one as small as you have. Hopefully, you'll get more info. on this. Also, make sure that the lysine does not have the additive propynol glycol. It causes blood issues in cats. :) Wendy --- Rett Lacy wrote: Hello, How much do you give a kitten before their next retest ( first one, weak positive). Mg?? xday?? etc. Weight 2.5 - 3.0. Thanks to all.. Rett Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ __Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469
Re: OT: Neighbor threatens ferals
First of all, call the police and animal control and report each and every confrontation you have had with these people, time and date and what your neighbor has said. We have creep neighbors who trap cats and release them miles away and apparently also kill them in our lovely university suburb. The animal control people AND the police are concerned and have both spoken with them more than once. When told that trapping animals was illegal he got a state permit. They say that the cats steal the fish out of their fish pond. More likely the raccoons. My mother lost cats before we found out what was going on. Once she was looking for hewr old scared white boy and she found him in their garage. They got mad at her for going in there to find him. He later disappeared along with the cutest, tiniest little feral black cat and his little feral mommy. The best we can legally do is to watch their backyard to be sure there is no havahart trap back there. So did one of our neighbors who feeds ferals and, (as an aside) also has about ten indoor cats AND the cleanest, most perfect house I've ever seen. It just shines! He drove my mom's old cat 25 miles away and let him out in a forest preserve. The only reason we got him back two long weeks later was because he was living under a lady's deck and the lady took him to a vet to see that he was healthy before she adopted him because he was such a nice old kitty and I had microchipped him for my mom. But I certainly feel the nightmare of losing the others. I always tell people about these creeps. If I see a cat out and he has a tag I always call the people and tell them about these people. It's so disgusting. I hate it! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 29, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Stray Cat Alliance wrote: Do you believe this storyevery day, I feed my front yard and back yard cats (I love in a townhome attached on both sides)..and have done so since we moved into the City in 1998. Last May my elderly neighbor moved out (she was pet friendly and had volunteered at the Humane Society) and new neighbors moved in (no pets). Over the weekend, I was cleaning out my backyard house of straw from winter and the husband neighbor came over and said a cat was pooping in the landing of his basement steps. I said I feed only stray cats and you can't control where they go as you can't control the birds pooping where they want. He said you don't walk in bird poop. But in any case, I said to let me think about the situation as it never happened before. So I went in and got a plastic bag and cleaned up the poop as I didn't want any problems. Funny that noone ever pooped in our landing but ours smells a lot better - not that musty yuck smell. Then that night, in the middle of the night, I realized the one thing that changed was my husband put stone along the only grassy section in the backyard. In the morning, I asked my husband to move the stones as I figured that would probably make it stop if it was indeed a cat/s. Then, the door bell rings and my neighbor wants to speak to my husband. Of course, it was about the cats. My husband said it might not be a cat/s, there are skunks and possums. And just to put some wood out to block the cat/s or animal/s from going down the steps to the landing. Then the neighbor says if it doesn't stop he's going to kill them! Then my husband said he couldn't do that or he'd go to jail -- and my husband said then he didn't have time to argue about it and came in. Now, I am worried about the kitties! I would love to take still somewhat feral Mom cat (tho she lets me pet her) from the front inside but I have way too many cats and doubt she'd appreciate it. If we ever move, she is definitely coming. I am crossing my fingers and hoping this blows over. Thanks for listening, I know I am rather long winded! Anita Every year shelters kill almost 5,000,000 cats, dogs, puppies kittens. Most were beautiful, loving creatures (even feral cats!) that died simply because they did not have a home. Every puppy or kitten born costs a shelter animal its life. Save lives, spay-neuter, support Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) adopt for life! Download Messenger. Start an i’m conversation. Support a cause. Join Now!
Re: OT: Neighbor threatens ferals
All these ideas are so great! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 29, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Nina wrote: Hey Anita, This is one of my worst nightmares. The apathy in my less than desirable neighborhood causes my overcrowded rescue efforts, but it also has the benefit of protecting me from just this sort of thing. I know how distasteful this suggestion is going to sound, but I think your best bet is to muster the stomach to appease this horrible new neighbor of yours. People like this are desperate for attention. Give it to him! If I were you, I'd go over there and tell him that even though these animals are strays, you love them and feel responsible for them. Let him know you understand why he's upset and, if he'll let you, tell him what you are planing to do to rectify the situation. Ask him to allow you a time frame to see if your ideas are working, (maybe a month). Don't make suggestions about what he could do, ask him to let you do these things FOR him. Clean out his landing, spray cat-be-gone products, block the entrance, pour wood chips in any area that looks like a cat might use to relieve themselves. Enlist his help by asking him to let you know if he spots any cats on his property and to call you so you can come and clean up any messes they make. I would tell him you are sorry that you got off on the wrong foot and maybe even apologize for my husband's rudeness, (very difficult to do, I know). In short kiss this guy's ass! Believe me, I understand how hard this might be to do, but you have to think of the end result. You don't want him calling animal control, and you certainly don't want him putting poison down for your unsuspecting cats. Nip this feud in the bud, it's not about you, it's about the safety of your babies. I would figure out some sort of enclosure if you can and start trapping asap. I'm sorry this has happened. Please let us know how it is going, Nina Stray Cat Alliance wrote: Do you believe this storyevery day, I feed my front yard and back yard cats (I love in a townhome attached on both sides)..and have done so since we moved into the City in 1998. Last May my elderly neighbor moved out (she was pet friendly and had volunteered at the Humane Society) and new neighbors moved in (no pets). Over the weekend, I was cleaning out my backyard house of straw from winter and the husband neighbor came over and said a cat was pooping in the landing of his basement steps. I said I feed only stray cats and you can't control where they go as you can't control the birds pooping where they want. He said you don't walk in bird poop. But in any case, I said to let me think about the situation as it never happened before. So I went in and got a plastic bag and cleaned up the poop as I didn't want any problems. Funny that noone ever pooped in our landing but ours smells a lot better - not that musty yuck smell. Then that night, in the middle of the night, I realized the one thing that changed was my husband put stone along the only grassy section in the backyard. In the morning, I asked my husband to move the stones as I figured that would probably make it stop if it was indeed a cat/s. Then, the door bell rings and my neighbor wants to speak to my husband. Of course, it was about the cats. My husband said it might not be a cat/s, there are skunks and possums. And just to put some wood out to block the cat/s or animal/s from going down the steps to the landing. Then the neighbor says if it doesn't stop he's going to kill them! Then my husband said he couldn't do that or he'd go to jail -- and my husband said then he didn't have time to argue about it and came in. Now, I am worried about the kitties! I would love to take still somewhat feral Mom cat (tho she lets me pet her) from the front inside but I have way too many cats and doubt she'd appreciate it. If we ever move, she is definitely coming. I am crossing my fingers and hoping this blows over. Thanks for listening, I know I am rather long winded! Anita Every year shelters kill almost 5,000,000 cats, dogs, puppies kittens. Most were beautiful, loving creatures (even feral cats!) that died simply because they did not have a home. Every puppy or kitten born costs a shelter animal its life. Save lives, spay-neuter, support Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) adopt for life! Download Messenger. Start an i’m conversation. Support a cause. Join Now!
Re: OT: Neighbor threatens ferals
Oh, great. MORE people who don't speak English. (Sorry, but I know what that might mean--people from a culture that doesn't respect all life.) Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 29, 2007, at 1:33 PM, Stray Cat Alliance wrote: Thank you all for your wonderful suggestions! I did get my husband to write down what the neighbor said to him yesterday -- but it is a good idea to write down everything and dates. I will do my best to muster up niceness when I want to scream and talk to the neighbor. The wife doesn't speak very good English so I don't think she'd be a good option. I really can't trap everybody and relocate...and an enclosure wouldn't work where I live now so I am hoping and praying for a positive resolution for all. Thank you again, will keep you posted. Anita Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. Check it out!
Re: OT: Neighbor threatens ferals
You need to get them used to eating and excreting on your property. Try moving the food from the front of the house (a foot or two at a time) to the back. You may also want to put out a big litterbox. (I have an under-the-bed plastic storage box that is the size of 3 normal litterboxes but I know someone who uses a child's plastic wading pool instead.) You can fill it with the pellets that are used for woodburning stoves. These are light, scoopable and biodegradable. (You can also just find an area of your back yard and pour bags of the wood stove pellets on the ground. That's how a friend dealt with neighbors' complaints about her ferals.) Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, great. MORE people who don't speak English. (Sorry, but I know what that might mean--people from a culture that doesn't respect all life.) Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 29, 2007, at 1:33 PM, Stray Cat Alliance wrote: Thank you all for your wonderful suggestions! I did get my husband to write down what the neighbor said to him yesterday -- but it is a good idea to write down everything and dates. I will do my best to muster up niceness when I want to scream and talk to the neighbor. The wife doesn't speak very good English so I don't think she'd be a good option. I really can't trap everybody and relocate...and an enclosure wouldn't work where I live now so I am hoping and praying for a positive resolution for all. Thank you again, will keep you posted. Anita - Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. Check it out!
Re: Virbagen Omega..Lance?
Yup, my little darling Sammy Sam is on Interferon but I'm not sure which. Duh. I'll find out tomorrow when we go in for chemotherapy. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 29, 2007, at 1:31 PM, Nina wrote: Hi Jane, Tell your vet to contact my specialty clinic about the Interferon Omega. It's been a while, but hopefully Michelle Rose is still there. She was great about compiling an FDA packet for vets that wanted to apply for special dispensation for it. (It has been approved for veterinary use in Europe, but not in the US). I'm sure they would be happy to answer any questions about it's use. Here's the paste from the email I wrote about contacting them: For anyone interested in starting the process of obtaining Feline Interferon, (Virbagen Omega)... My vet's liaison, Michelle Rose, at Veterinary Medical and Surgical Group in Ventura CA (805-339-2290)has made an FDA packet that she will fax out to anyone's vet who is interested in starting the special dispensation process. She says everything they need to know will be in there, and of course they can call her if there are further questions. Since only vets can apply, only they, or their offices should call. If she's not available, have your vet leave their voice and fax numbers on her voice mail. If you have any trouble, email me directly and I'll call her. In the meantime, (or if you decide not to acquire the IO, it's very expensive), you might want to start MeMe on oral Interferon Alpha. IA is used to boost immune response in humans suffering with cancer and does seem to have some benefits for our kits as well. IO is suspected to be more beneficial, (it's derived from feline dna, rather than human), it's hoped that cats won't develop immunity to it's effects. My vet also suspected that the oral might be beneficial for stomatitis as well. It is inexpensive and readily available. There are several different protocols used. Some people use a pulse protocol, (7 days on 7 days off for example). I used to give it whenever my felv kids were exhibiting symptoms. Usually the dose is 1cc daily, but I'd give them up to 3cc when warranted. There is a ton of info about both interferons in our archives. Several list members have had good results with IR. Cindy used it subq, (rather than the recommended IV), to alleviate unexplained fever spikes. From what I understand about it, it's a bacteria that when administered causes the immune system to kick in against it and theoretically battle whatever is causing symptoms. Nina Jane Lyons wrote: I spoke to my homeopathic vet today and she does not know about Virbagen Omega but said she would be very interested in researching it. Lance can you give me any contact info that I can forward to her? Also ...I was reading about Immuno Regulin on the Home Page for this website. Has anyone any experience with it? Thanks for your help, again Jane
Re: Horus Please Add to the CLS :(
Poor dear little Horus, in Heaven now with eyes that see and no head trauma anymore. And he can eat again, all he wants, an run and play but still return at night to purr by Dr. Jen's side. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 29, 2007, at 2:04 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: Horus I only got to know through e-mails and pic from Dr. Jen.He had to have one of his eyes removed and was blind in the other.He suffered severe head trauma and lived at Jens house.He slept next to her every night and purred his little heart out to her.(I am crying now as I write this) Dr. Jen became very attached to this beautiful black boy.He lost control of his tongue and was not able to eat properly.She really HATED to admit defeat but had to let him go on the 27th.He was also felv+. I admire ALL that she does for these wonderful babies!! Thank you all for being here for me. Sherry Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.
Re: Virbagen Omega..Lance?
Jane, I just found a website on stomatitis. It's www.dr-addie.com/ stomatitis.html#top It's British but still very useful as it discusses the disease and feeding and treatments and also includes references to American labs. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 29, 2007, at 1:31 PM, Nina wrote: Hi Jane, Tell your vet to contact my specialty clinic about the Interferon Omega. It's been a while, but hopefully Michelle Rose is still there. She was great about compiling an FDA packet for vets that wanted to apply for special dispensation for it. (It has been approved for veterinary use in Europe, but not in the US). I'm sure they would be happy to answer any questions about it's use. Here's the paste from the email I wrote about contacting them: For anyone interested in starting the process of obtaining Feline Interferon, (Virbagen Omega)... My vet's liaison, Michelle Rose, at Veterinary Medical and Surgical Group in Ventura CA (805-339-2290)has made an FDA packet that she will fax out to anyone's vet who is interested in starting the special dispensation process. She says everything they need to know will be in there, and of course they can call her if there are further questions. Since only vets can apply, only they, or their offices should call. If she's not available, have your vet leave their voice and fax numbers on her voice mail. If you have any trouble, email me directly and I'll call her. In the meantime, (or if you decide not to acquire the IO, it's very expensive), you might want to start MeMe on oral Interferon Alpha. IA is used to boost immune response in humans suffering with cancer and does seem to have some benefits for our kits as well. IO is suspected to be more beneficial, (it's derived from feline dna, rather than human), it's hoped that cats won't develop immunity to it's effects. My vet also suspected that the oral might be beneficial for stomatitis as well. It is inexpensive and readily available. There are several different protocols used. Some people use a pulse protocol, (7 days on 7 days off for example). I used to give it whenever my felv kids were exhibiting symptoms. Usually the dose is 1cc daily, but I'd give them up to 3cc when warranted. There is a ton of info about both interferons in our archives. Several list members have had good results with IR. Cindy used it subq, (rather than the recommended IV), to alleviate unexplained fever spikes. From what I understand about it, it's a bacteria that when administered causes the immune system to kick in against it and theoretically battle whatever is causing symptoms. Nina Jane Lyons wrote: I spoke to my homeopathic vet today and she does not know about Virbagen Omega but said she would be very interested in researching it. Lance can you give me any contact info that I can forward to her? Also ...I was reading about Immuno Regulin on the Home Page for this website. Has anyone any experience with it? Thanks for your help, again Jane
RE: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****
Hi All, I haven't been able to respond lately since I've been super busy, but I had to read this pee thread--it hits close to home. Our Bandit started peeing in the heat vent--only one vent--for no apparent reason. We tried every natural remedy we could think of to change the behavior. While I agree that they are doing it on purpose much of the time, I also think that it results from anxiety oftentimes, not a sense of vengeance or naughtiness or vindictiveness. Our vet suggested Prozac (fluoxitine). For $6.00 a month, Bandit receives a half a pill a day, and I'm not kidding--overnight he stopped peeing in the vent (or on the plastic covering the vent). I swear by this stuff. It didn't change his attitude or anything that I can tell--only his reactions to stress. Our vet said we may not ever know what was stressing him out, but at least now Bandit is back to his old self. Our vet said that not many people would have kept a cat like him (most would put him to sleep). That just horrified me. Then I used some of Bandit's Prozac on Cassidy (the FeLV+ who just went to Best Friends) to stop his incessant howling at night. He was so sad--crying all night long--after the Prozac he stopped crying immediately, but it didn't change his behavior in other ways. He still talked and snuggled and was just as fun as before. So, I strongly recommend the Prozac, but I'm not a doctor, and I'm not as experienced as half of you on this list, but that is my experience so far. However, now I'm quite frightened about Best Friends. I'm going to write to my contact there about this. Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:31 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: To Anita: RE: Killing cats who pee on RUGS* I've also know some folks use Valium. One source on the internet praised Prosac. I don't know much about it from personal experience. Gloria On May 29, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I have heard Elavil works well for some. My Shimmer is on the highest allowable dose and pees on everything anyway. On 5/29/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some in our group have had great luck using Elavil for cats that pee inappropriately. I think the way it was done, was to give it orally (or use ear cream) for 2 weeks, then gradually reduce it (like every other day) until the behavior showed up again, then administer as appropriate (weekly, daily, every two days, etc). Gloria On May 29, 2007, at 10:08 AM, wendy wrote: Anita, Maybe changing his name would help...lol. ;) Wendy --- Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever since we added 2 kittens to our household last July (they were initially fosters but due to illness and other issues we ended up keeping them), our cat Stinky (how appropro) has been peeing everywhere. Thank goodness we have only one area rug -- which of course, he does not pee on. He pees on vertical surfaces such as furniture like the stereo stand, walls, in front of the front and basement doors. Ugh. Our house smells like vinegar and the furniture is ruined. My husband keeps saying, we have to get rid of Stinky. I'm like -- I don't think so. We'll just have to deal with it. He is at least 7 years old and hopefully if we ever get to move to a bigger house, it will stop. Anita _ Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=en- usocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ _ _ __Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Cassandra: Re: Hemobart
It would be great if her liver issues were due to hemobart, but i'm not sure it can cause all the issues she has. She had very high lvls of bilirubin, but she wasn't anemic at all a week ago. Her liver is enlarged as well, with some elevated liver enzymes, and then there's the vomiting 2-4 times per day with zero appetite. Possibly the hemobart jumped on the bandwagon this last week while she's been weak and stressed, or hopefully it could be the cause of some of her problems. It's really hard to say, but i'm constantly praying that its not cancer and somehow the problem can be dealt with. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:24 PM Subject: Cassandra: Re: Hemobart Hey Cassandra, I was reading up on hemobartanellosis right now, and it says that it can cause jaundice, which is related to the liver, I believe. Maybe that's what's causing the liver issues?! I sure hope so. Thank goodness they found the hemobart, because it is VERY hard to diagnose. Half the time, they can't see the little buggers on the slide under a microscope. If she pulls through this, we need to make a note for later in case we see this again. Praying that her liver issues are related to the hemobart... :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM
Re: Update on Kisa
I brought Kisa home from the vet today. She's been fully hydrated and had a nasal feeding tube in place, with the lovely lampshade around her neck. She is still very lethargic/depressed, but a little more alert and her eyes look better. We're still no closer to a proper diagnosis though, because she is too weak to undergo surgery to obtain a biopsy of her liver. At the vet, she wasn't vomiting much at all, but once I got her home and fed her 30cc of liquid food, followed by 5 cc of water, she promptly vomited it all up. I gaver her another 20cc after that. Two hours later, I gave her another 30 ccand...well she vomited up her feeding tube shortly thereafter. She vomited up so much, that she must have had most of that 20cc from 2 hrs earlier in her belly still. What a nightmare. I guess we go back to the vet tomorrow to get another tube put insigh. The vet said we can try metachlopromide (or however its spelled) if she vomits alot, so I suppose that will be the next thing we have to try. We really need a break here. Her only chance is to get healthy enough just from feeding and giving the doxycycline so that we can hopefully do a biopsy. Cassandra - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM Subject: Update on Kisa Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa. She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of lymphocytes. Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, possibly lymphosarcoma. The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised. They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so easily. They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little better and maybe regain some appetite. I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't eaten since Saturday night now. I don't understand why this is all happening at once. First I watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months. As soon as he started getting better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver failure, and died. Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from being a super healthy and active cat to death's door. I haven't even had enough time to get used to Koda being gone, now its another crisis situation. This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active cats for 12 years. I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down while I was away and my 5 cats were inside. What is happening now is almost worse than that since it is so prolonged and i'm beginning to wonder if something I am doing is causing all this (like feeding raw food). I've always kept my cats indoors because I didn't want them to get run over by a car, etcbut they seem to be no safer indoors. Sorry for venting on you all, its just really starting to affect me, both emotionally and financially. Cassandra -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM
Re: Update on Kisa
I am surprised she is not on Regaln already...( that is the drug you mentioned) safe and effective,,it aids in emptying the stomach and increasins peristalsis ,,so they do not vomit, ask for injectable!! thanks for the update and keep us posted, Kelly I brought Kisa home from the vet today. She's been fully hydrated and had a nasal feeding tube in place, with the lovely lampshade around her neck. She is still very lethargic/depressed, but a little more alert and her eyes look better. We're still no closer to a proper diagnosis though, because she is too weak to undergo surgery to obtain a biopsy of her liver. At the vet, she wasn't vomiting much at all, but once I got her home and fed her 30cc of liquid food, followed by 5 cc of water, she promptly vomited it all up. I gaver her another 20cc after that. Two hours later, I gave her another 30 ccand...well she vomited up her feeding tube shortly thereafter. She vomited up so much, that she must have had most of that 20cc from 2 hrs earlier in her belly still. What a nightmare. I guess we go back to the vet tomorrow to get another tube put insigh. The vet said we can try metachlopromide (or however its spelled) if she vomits alot, so I suppose that will be the next thing we have to try. We really need a break here. Her only chance is to get healthy enough just from feeding and giving the doxycycline so that we can hopefully do a biopsy. Cassandra - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]C J To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM Subject: Update on Kisa Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa. She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of lymphocytes. Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, possibly lymphosarcoma. The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised. They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so easily. They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little better and maybe regain some appetite. I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't eaten since Saturday night now. I don't understand why this is all happening at once. First I watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months. As soon as he started getting better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver failure, and died. Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from being a super healthy and active cat to death's door. I haven't even had enough time to get used to Koda being gone, now its another crisis situation. This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active cats for 12 years. I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down while I was away and my 5 cats were inside. What is happening now is almost worse than that since it is so prolonged and i'm beginning to wonder if something I am doing is causing all this (like feeding raw food). I've always kept my cats indoors because I didn't want them to get run over by a car, etcbut they seem to be no safer indoors. Sorry for venting on you all, its just really starting to affect me, both emotionally and financially. Cassandra -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.1/822 - Release Date: 5/28/2007 11:40 AM
Re: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****
Good, I'm glad you are going to write. Pam Melissa Lind wrote: Hi All, I haven't been able to respond lately since I've been super busy, but I had to read this pee thread--it hits close to home. Our Bandit started peeing in the heat vent--only one vent--for no apparent reason. We tried every natural remedy we could think of to change the behavior. While I agree that they are doing it on purpose much of the time, I also think that it results from anxiety oftentimes, not a sense of vengeance or naughtiness or vindictiveness. Our vet suggested Prozac (fluoxitine). For $6.00 a month, Bandit receives a half a pill a day, and I'm not kidding--overnight he stopped peeing in the vent (or on the plastic covering the vent). I swear by this stuff. It didn't change his attitude or anything that I can tell--only his reactions to stress. Our vet said we may not ever know what was stressing him out, but at least now Bandit is back to his old self. Our vet said that not many people would have kept a cat like him (most would put him to sleep). That just horrified me. Then I used some of Bandit's Prozac on Cassidy (the FeLV+ who just went to Best Friends) to stop his incessant howling at night. He was so sad--crying all night long--after the Prozac he stopped crying immediately, but it didn't change his behavior in other ways. He still talked and snuggled and was just as fun as before. So, I strongly recommend the Prozac, but I'm not a doctor, and I'm not as experienced as half of you on this list, but that is my experience so far. However, now I'm quite frightened about Best Friends. I'm going to write to my contact there about this. Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:31 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: To Anita: RE: Killing cats who pee on RUGS* I've also know some folks use Valium. One source on the internet praised Prosac. I don't know much about it from personal experience. Gloria On May 29, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I have heard Elavil works well for some. My Shimmer is on the highest allowable dose and pees on everything anyway. On 5/29/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some in our group have had great luck using Elavil for cats that pee inappropriately. I think the way it was done, was to give it orally (or use ear cream) for 2 weeks, then gradually reduce it (like every other day) until the behavior showed up again, then administer as appropriate (weekly, daily, every two days, etc). Gloria On May 29, 2007, at 10:08 AM, wendy wrote: Anita, Maybe changing his name would help...lol. ;) Wendy --- Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever since we added 2 kittens to our household last July (they were initially fosters but due to illness and other issues we ended up keeping them), our cat Stinky (how appropro) has been peeing everywhere. Thank goodness we have only one area rug -- which of course, he does not pee on. He pees on vertical surfaces such as furniture like the stereo stand, walls, in front of the front and basement doors. Ugh. Our house smells like vinegar and the furniture is ruined. My husband keeps saying, we have to get rid of Stinky. I'm like -- I don't think so. We'll just have to deal with it. He is at least 7 years old and hopefully if we ever get to move to a bigger house, it will stop. Anita _ Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=en- usocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_changegood_0507 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ _ _ __Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Cassandra: Re: Hemobart
Cassandra, When you go back tomorrow, you might ask them to give her at least 150 ml of subqs to make for the fluids she's lost in the vomiting. Have them teach you how to do it too get your supplied with the fluids, the IV setup needles. This is something you need to be able to do at home for her. If the vet wants to try the Metroclopramide, have him do the injectable. The pills may just come up again. The injectable is something you can do too. Have him just make up the dose in prepared needles. Hemoibart does affect the liver among other things. It's a nasty nasty bug. And as someone else has said, it's very hard to catch on a blood smear because one minute it is there the next it is not. BUT regardless Kisa MUST be on the doxy for at least 3 more weeks. So it is crucial to get the vomiting under control --- because of hydration, because of getting the doxy down. If she can't take the doxy, then she's going to get anemic again right away with hemobart that HCT will go down to life-threatening levels very quickly. If she's not vomiting at the vet's, then I think y ou might consider leaving her there until things stabilize. Pam C J wrote: It would be great if her liver issues were due to hemobart, but i'm not sure it can cause all the issues she has. She had very high lvls of bilirubin, but she wasn't anemic at all a week ago. Her liver is enlarged as well, with some elevated liver enzymes, and then there's the vomiting 2-4 times per day with zero appetite. Possibly the hemobart jumped on the bandwagon this last week while she's been weak and stressed, or hopefully it could be the cause of some of her problems. It's really hard to say, but i'm constantly praying that its not cancer and somehow the problem can be dealt with. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:24 PM Subject: Cassandra: Re: Hemobart Hey Cassandra, I was reading up on hemobartanellosis right now, and it says that it can cause jaundice, which is related to the liver, I believe. Maybe that's what's causing the liver issues?! I sure hope so. Thank goodness they found the hemobart, because it is VERY hard to diagnose. Half the time, they can't see the little buggers on the slide under a microscope. If she pulls through this, we need to make a note for later in case we see this again. Praying that her liver issues are related to the hemobart... :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM
Re: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****
At 07:09 AM 5/29/2007, you wrote: Congratulation on your new family member and to the wonderful; butt sniffing dogs who have made her welcome,,yeah!!! Kelly Thats horrible! I hate to hear of people putting down or giving up pets because of new wives, girlfriends, boyfriends- whatever- when I was dating it was like- no- it is a package deal- me and my furchildren- take me as I am or leave meespecially since I fought so hard to keep Satine alive. on the other side of things- my husband and I saved a kitty and she is now part of the family- I named her Carrie Bradshaw from sex and the city as she has wild full hair like the main character- she is a maine coon cat. My dogs who I was worried about, love her- they smell her butt and my tibetian terrier mix I have found kissing her. We got her from a shelter here- I suspect that whoever gave her up before we got her might have been abusive- as she shys away from getting touched in the face- and the vet said they found a broken tooth on her- but she is having a wonderful time now- she loves my husband and I tease him and say that he is mr.big- she insists on getting in his office and into his heart. He closed the office door and she put her paw under the door- and wiggles it meowing, demanding to be with him- it is very cute. Shes not satine, and I do miss satine- but it feels natural to have a kitty again ^_^ Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend killed a 17 year old cat (?) he rescued when he was in college because he had a new wife, new stepdaughter, new house + and the cat was peeing on the carpet. I went home and tore up all the carpet. The only saving grace is that Gus would not have had almost 17 years of care had my friend not rescued him. I decided then that there would not be anything on the floors that was more valuable than my 4-legged friends. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelly L To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: Killing cats who pee on RUGS* At 12:59 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote: I find this conversation quite timely...You see I have just withdrawn my long time support of Best Friends because of something similar, I have been member and volunteer with them for almost 10 years. they have grown which is good. Well on their prayers and healing forum someone posted asking for prayers and support for their co worker because they were sad at deciding to have their cat PTS ,,killed because she keeps peeing on the carpet,.. I replied that I could not give support to such an act and then other members agreed...our posts were pulled and only the ones comforting this person were left, i received another demeaning letter from the moderator,,, this is not the first incident of that kind, but this one was the final STraw Best Friends does wonderful things, but I am no longer comfortable with may of theri policies at this time, Now I better go mop up pee ...after I get my shoes on of course.(lol) Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again. Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. Nina Susan Hoffman wrote: This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop -- I use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I wound up pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer. One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48251/*http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting/?p=PASSPORTPLUSall the tools to get online. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.1/822 - Release Date: 5/28/2007 11:40 AM
Re: Update on Kisa
Metaclopramide should work beautifully. Oh, Lord, vomiting up her feeding tube, yuck. Poor baby! 35cc seems like a lot of food all at once but I know she needs a certain amount every day just to stay even. They said that much? Maybe it was too cold or too warm or too fast. I've done tube feeding (with a tube down the throat through the neck) and that was equally awful. It didn't seem to want to go down into her tummy and would just come right back up and out around the bandage on her neck. It was a totally awful experience all the way around. We'll be praying for your little one tonight and tomorrow. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 29, 2007, at 10:35 PM, C J wrote: I brought Kisa home from the vet today. She's been fully hydrated and had a nasal feeding tube in place, with the lovely lampshade around her neck. She is still very lethargic/depressed, but a little more alert and her eyes look better. We're still no closer to a proper diagnosis though, because she is too weak to undergo surgery to obtain a biopsy of her liver. At the vet, she wasn't vomiting much at all, but once I got her home and fed her 30cc of liquid food, followed by 5 cc of water, she promptly vomited it all up. I gaver her another 20cc after that. Two hours later, I gave her another 30 ccand...well she vomited up her feeding tube shortly thereafter. She vomited up so much, that she must have had most of that 20cc from 2 hrs earlier in her belly still. What a nightmare. I guess we go back to the vet tomorrow to get another tube put insigh. The vet said we can try metachlopromide (or however its spelled) if she vomits alot, so I suppose that will be the next thing we have to try. We really need a break here. Her only chance is to get healthy enough just from feeding and giving the doxycycline so that we can hopefully do a biopsy. Cassandra - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM Subject: Update on Kisa Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa. She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of lymphocytes. Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, possibly lymphosarcoma. The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised. They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so easily. They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little better and maybe regain some appetite. I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't eaten since Saturday night now. I don't understand why this is all happening at once. First I watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months. As soon as he started getting better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver failure, and died. Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from being a super healthy and active cat to death's door. I haven't even had enough time to get used to Koda being gone, now its another crisis situation. This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active cats for 12 years. I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down while I was away and my 5 cats were inside. What is happening now is almost worse than that since it is so prolonged and i'm beginning to wonder if something I am doing is causing all this (like feeding raw food). I've always kept my cats indoors because I didn't want them to get run over by a car, etcbut they seem to be no safer indoors. Sorry for venting on you all, its just really starting to affect me, both emotionally and financially. Cassandra No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM
Re: Cassandra: Re: Hemobart
Can Cassandra inject the metaclopramide into the port close to the needle when she is giving little Kisa her subQ fluids? It would save them both from another stick. Good idea abt leaving her with the vet maybe. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 29, 2007, at 10:48 PM, Pam Norman wrote: Cassandra, When you go back tomorrow, you might ask them to give her at least 150 ml of subqs to make for the fluids she's lost in the vomiting. Have them teach you how to do it too get your supplied with the fluids, the IV setup needles. This is something you need to be able to do at home for her. If the vet wants to try the Metroclopramide, have him do the injectable. The pills may just come up again. The injectable is something you can do too. Have him just make up the dose in prepared needles. Hemoibart does affect the liver among other things. It's a nasty nasty bug. And as someone else has said, it's very hard to catch on a blood smear because one minute it is there the next it is not. BUT regardless Kisa MUST be on the doxy for at least 3 more weeks. So it is crucial to get the vomiting under control --- because of hydration, because of getting the doxy down. If she can't take the doxy, then she's going to get anemic again right away with hemobart that HCT will go down to life-threatening levels very quickly. If she's not vomiting at the vet's, then I think y ou might consider leaving her there until things stabilize. Pam C J wrote: It would be great if her liver issues were due to hemobart, but i'm not sure it can cause all the issues she has. She had very high lvls of bilirubin, but she wasn't anemic at all a week ago. Her liver is enlarged as well, with some elevated liver enzymes, and then there's the vomiting 2-4 times per day with zero appetite. Possibly the hemobart jumped on the bandwagon this last week while she's been weak and stressed, or hopefully it could be the cause of some of her problems. It's really hard to say, but i'm constantly praying that its not cancer and somehow the problem can be dealt with. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:24 PM Subject: Cassandra: Re: Hemobart Hey Cassandra, I was reading up on hemobartanellosis right now, and it says that it can cause jaundice, which is related to the liver, I believe. Maybe that's what's causing the liver issues?! I sure hope so. Thank goodness they found the hemobart, because it is VERY hard to diagnose. Half the time, they can't see the little buggers on the slide under a microscope. If she pulls through this, we need to make a note for later in case we see this again. Praying that her liver issues are related to the hemobart... :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM
