Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
message got too big and put on hold, trying again: Hi yes, Thank you so much. There's a Sci-Fi book called The door into Summer and the title comes from the main character's having a cat and living in a house with lots of doors to the outside and when the weather's bad the cat has the owner open each door as he looks for the one that opens into summer. I didn't intend to write so much in that email, but once I started it just kind of came pouring out - was sorry to post so much text, thank you for listening to those who read it. Most of the time it works out ok with the cat-door (they're probably spoiled because of it) and luckily I live in Southern California, but when it rains and does get cold I close them in and then the whining starts. I sometimes tease the main complainer and tell him oh you want my attention? so I pick him up and smother him for a while and put him on my lap. Strangely enough after the initial whining and pushing away from me with all his might, it does quiet him for a while (sometimes settles on my lap and sits there for a bit) - he's probably like ugh no more of THAT! ha ha From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 7:37:56 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia THIS IS FOR PAOLA I THINK - SOUNDS LIKE YOU LIVE AT MY HOUSE ITH THE IN AND OUT, INSIDE ALWAYS AND THE COMPLAINERS WHO DON'T GET WHAT THEY WANT. FUN ISN'T IT. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Thank you - will look next time we go. We get the litter at WalMart and sometimes at Sam's Club if the other doesn't have it. I will Google it tomorrow. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia OdoBan is available at Sam's and some WalMarts. I can't say enough good about it. I prefer the vingar and water for regular cleaning. It is safe and fairly inexpensive. Google it ... the number of uses and products it can replace is amazing. On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Natalie wrote: I haven't heard of OdoBan. There's also nature's Miracle, which has been hyped...doesn't work so well. I like 0-Odor (Zero Odor), and What Odor?, and Professor Amos' RIGHT AWAY - all safe for animals. I've tried spraying 0-Odor in top of the litter and it really takes the smell away...but I usually sprinkle baking soda into the litter box after I've scooped it; it refreshes and keeps the litter smelling better for a lot longer. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia It works great and so does OdoBan. On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote: hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie. From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia If you have pissy cats, as I do, I found that the best cleaner is a 50/50 white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all surfaces with it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats and environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a 1,000 great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie ---rg/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking
so, so sorry to hear that, have been catching up on emails and was so happy to read about his improvement a few weeks ago. I realize baby food is usually enough incentive for cats to eat, but a kidney failure cat, with gastritis, I had some time ago still wouldn't eat it when she was having an episode and I'd add a pinch of salt to it to enhance it and she'd eat it (also warmed with some hot water)... don't know if it can help, poor guy sounds like he's gone through everything. Paola From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 9:56:27 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking Sending love and light to you and Murphy that this all resolves and he is feeling better soon. Take care of yourselves, too folks. Peace. - Original Message - From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:44 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking He is still refusing to eat or drink on his own. I am using a little syringe to give him water and plain Pedialyte and also some watered down AD food from the vet. While I was at work today, Glenn was able to carry him to the litter box and he did pee in it (Murphy-LOL), so the plumbing is still functioning. He spends most of his time sleeping, but for a short while tonight he actually walked into the kitchen and sat down, I was able to give him his meds and some food and water with the syringe. He is still very pale and way too quiet. I gave him a Procrit shot last night with a prayer that he will bounce back, but I don't know. Hopefully he will want to eat tomorrow. In July, he was like this for 2 days, then began feeling better fairly quickly except for the sneezing and drippy nose. Got my fingers crossed and saying little purrayers all day long. Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE
I've had a bed pisser, too - she was being cornered in the litter box. Suggestion: If there's a hood on the box, remove it and to keep litter boxes smelling clean, after removing poop pee (by gently shaking litter to one side or another) and removing all the wet sand, sprinkle with baking soda! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the cat and you will have your answer! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? My experience: Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only. She will occasionally sneak out, only to go directly under the deck. Some adventure! After 15 min. she's ready to come in. She's 14 yrs. old now. Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only. He's never offered to sneak out. Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the last one caught. She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came home. I think she was just very frightened and hiding. Never offers to rush the door. Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat. He is having some difficulties adjusting. The Feliway spray helps, but is very expensive. Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk). We're going to the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection. I hope it is not behavioral, because then I'm stumped. Not wealthy and can't let the cat ruin what furniture I do have. I think the cold turkey thing is the way. In my experience, time and attention tame them. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? I agree. My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been inside for awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one former tame outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to being inside, but he was eventually fine. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:30 AM I'll write more later - am feeding and cleaning litter boxes right now for cats that are strictly indoor and were either truly feral, reverted abandoned cats at one time. And when I say feral, you couldn't even get near them for a long time until they trusted us. It's easy - you are the one that controls the door. Most decide that it's so great inside that they don't even want to use the outdoor enclosure! Speaking with 18 1/2 yrs of experience - having started trapping ONLY feral cats when we started our rescue group. Some become the most adorable, friendly ever - some don't - but being indoors, with a nice soft bed and regular feeding, they always accepted our hospitality very gratefully! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? I would be interested in hearing others' stories of bringing inside an FeLV 'former feral' - to permenantly indoor. I don't let out my kitties, but Whimsy has gone from a cagey feral to almost house cat status. He has the sunroom to himself, and has been out in the daytime and with us some evenings. When out, he was staying in the
Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE
If you get a black light, you'd be able to tell if it's pee - I wonder, though, if it doesn't identify all bodily fluids, including saliva, the same way. Worth checking into - I never thought of this before. They use those black lights in forensics, and it just might do other fluids than urine. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the cat and you will have your answer! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? My experience: Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only. She will occasionally sneak out, only to go directly under the deck. Some adventure! After 15 min. she's ready to come in. She's 14 yrs. old now. Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only. He's never offered to sneak out. Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the last one caught. She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came home. I think she was just very frightened and hiding. Never offers to rush the door. Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat. He is having some difficulties adjusting. The Feliway spray helps, but is very expensive. Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk). We're going to the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection. I hope it is not behavioral, because then I'm stumped. Not wealthy and can't let the cat ruin what furniture I do have. I think the cold turkey thing is the way. In my experience, time and attention tame them. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? I agree. My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been inside for awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one former tame outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to being inside, but he was eventually fine. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:30 AM I'll write more later - am feeding and cleaning litter boxes right now for cats that are strictly indoor and were either truly feral, reverted abandoned cats at one time. And when I say feral, you couldn't even get near them for a long time until they trusted us. It's
Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Laurie Why don't you guys like WB cat litter? Just curious. I've tried many types and find it pretty good. I will look up Dr. Elsey's. Lucky's teeth look good. He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble. I thought, Wow, I bet I could brush this cat's teeth. Something I would never get away with on my other cats. Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright. I'm hoping for drool vs. pee! Thanks for your insights. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is drool. The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw. She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the cat and you will have your answer! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? My experience: Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only. She will occasionally sneak out, only to go directly under the deck. Some adventure! After 15 min. she's ready to come in. She's 14 yrs. old now. Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only. He's never offered to sneak out. Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the last one caught. She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came home. I think she was just very
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
How about an outdoor enclosure where cats can go anytime through a cat door and you would know that they're ALWAYS safe! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 3:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia message got too big and put on hold, trying again: Hi yes, Thank you so much. There's a Sci-Fi book called The door into Summer and the title comes from the main character's having a cat and living in a house with lots of doors to the outside and when the weather's bad the cat has the owner open each door as he looks for the one that opens into summer. I didn't intend to write so much in that email, but once I started it just kind of came pouring out - was sorry to post so much text, thank you for listening to those who read it. Most of the time it works out ok with the cat-door (they're probably spoiled because of it) and luckily I live in Southern California, but when it rains and does get cold I close them in and then the whining starts. I sometimes tease the main complainer and tell him oh you want my attention? so I pick him up and smother him for a while and put him on my lap. Strangely enough after the initial whining and pushing away from me with all his might, it does quiet him for a while (sometimes settles on my lap and sits there for a bit) - he's probably like ugh no more of THAT! ha ha From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 7:37:56 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia THIS IS FOR PAOLA I THINK - SOUNDS LIKE YOU LIVE AT MY HOUSE ITH THE IN AND OUT, INSIDE ALWAYS AND THE COMPLAINERS WHO DON'T GET WHAT THEY WANT. FUN ISN'T IT. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Thank you - will look next time we go. We get the litter at WalMart and sometimes at Sam's Club if the other doesn't have it. I will Google it tomorrow. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia OdoBan is available at Sam's and some WalMarts. I can't say enough good about it. I prefer the vingar and water for regular cleaning. It is safe and fairly inexpensive. Google it ... the number of uses and products it can replace is amazing. On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Natalie wrote: I haven't heard of OdoBan. There's also nature's Miracle, which has been hyped...doesn't work so well. I like 0-Odor (Zero Odor), and What Odor?, and Professor Amos' RIGHT AWAY - all safe for animals. I've tried spraying 0-Odor in top of the litter and it really takes the smell away...but I usually sprinkle baking soda into the litter box after I've scooped it; it refreshes and keeps the litter smelling better for a lot longer. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia It works great and so does OdoBan. On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote: hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie. From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia If you have pissy cats, as I do, I found that the best cleaner is a 50/50 white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all surfaces with it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats and environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a 1,000 great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie ---rg/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking
Since fluids are so important to keep a cat from dehydrating and keeping organs functioning, an option might be about 100-150 mL of subcutaneous fluids given daily or every second day - it's easy to learn how to do yourself and saves a lot of lives in the long run! Could your vet give Murphy an injection of Vitamin C, B12 etc - could be a great booster. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:45 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking He is still refusing to eat or drink on his own. I am using a little syringe to give him water and plain Pedialyte and also some watered down AD food from the vet. While I was at work today, Glenn was able to carry him to the litter box and he did pee in it (Murphy-LOL), so the plumbing is still functioning. He spends most of his time sleeping, but for a short while tonight he actually walked into the kitchen and sat down, I was able to give him his meds and some food and water with the syringe. He is still very pale and way too quiet. I gave him a Procrit shot last night with a prayer that he will bounce back, but I don't know. Hopefully he will want to eat tomorrow. In July, he was like this for 2 days, then began feeling better fairly quickly except for the sneezing and drippy nose. Got my fingers crossed and saying little purrayers all day long. Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
It's interesting, but after we had this conversation about OdoBan last week, I found a bottle of X-O in my vast arsenal of odor-removing/neutralizing products, and used it on a very stubborn peed on area - it worked immediately. I don't know why the X-O was stuck in the back - I truly believe it's the best one I've used so far. It comes in concentrated form. There's a also a super concentrated cleaner made by X-O - I am going back to it. I found a very inexpensive source online, if anyone would like to try it. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia late reply but I hadn't been reading my emails for a while and am jsut catching up now. thanks for this tip too, much appreciated. From: Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 6:22:23 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia It works great and so does OdoBan. On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote: hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie. From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia If you have pissy cats, as I do, I found that the best cleaner is a 50/50 white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all surfaces with it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats and environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a 1,000 great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia Melinda, I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the city away from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the street, small patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place is rather small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the patio) as they have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if I'm outside and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can get out easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me. 2 of them if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive... well one meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and one is half feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but she's adopted the patios of several neighbours so I always know where to find her. When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I close them in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc... Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room is the garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him. Call him at intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up on and I noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly because he's so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing the door. Had to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I followed him out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while prior to taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual walks like a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from where he's going and if I call him back. There is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+ Angel (who is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just visit the outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before so once he took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady and then took him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow he got it and that was the last time he chased him. They're pretty smart and when they want to please you they figure out what you want from them if you can give them clear messages, and no cat wants to please you like a stray you took in, I'm sorry to say. It's so sweet, but it's so sad that they would be made to feel that way. Paola From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:04:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild animals, most strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is collared and chipped) and the likelihood of
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking
Natalie is right. It is very important to keep him eating, too. Cats can go into liver failure if they don't eat their normal amount of food. This can happen fairly quickly. Check out the feline assisted feeding yahoo group for ideas and info. Prayers for you and Murphy. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:24 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking Since fluids are so important to keep a cat from dehydrating and keeping organs functioning, an option might be about 100-150 mL of subcutaneous fluids given daily or every second day - it's easy to learn how to do yourself and saves a lot of lives in the long run! Could your vet give Murphy an injection of Vitamin C, B12 etc - could be a great booster. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:45 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking He is still refusing to eat or drink on his own. I am using a little syringe to give him water and plain Pedialyte and also some watered down AD food from the vet. While I was at work today, Glenn was able to carry him to the litter box and he did pee in it (Murphy-LOL), so the plumbing is still functioning. He spends most of his time sleeping, but for a short while tonight he actually walked into the kitchen and sat down, I was able to give him his meds and some food and water with the syringe. He is still very pale and way too quiet. I gave him a Procrit shot last night with a prayer that he will bounce back, but I don't know. Hopefully he will want to eat tomorrow. In July, he was like this for 2 days, then began feeling better fairly quickly except for the sneezing and drippy nose. Got my fingers crossed and saying little purrayers all day long. Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking
Alice, I have missed your previous emails. If it is anemia, can you afford a blood transfusion? Also Prednisolone works very well! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 20, 2010, at 9:44 PM, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: He is still refusing to eat or drink on his own. I am using a little syringe to give him water and plain Pedialyte and also some watered down AD food from the vet. While I was at work today, Glenn was able to carry him to the litter box and he did pee in it (Murphy-LOL), so the plumbing is still functioning. He spends most of his time sleeping, but for a short while tonight he actually walked into the kitchen and sat down, I was able to give him his meds and some food and water with the syringe. He is still very pale and way too quiet. I gave him a Procrit shot last night with a prayer that he will bounce back, but I don't know. Hopefully he will want to eat tomorrow. In July, he was like this for 2 days, then began feeling better fairly quickly except for the sneezing and drippy nose. Got my fingers crossed and saying little purrayers all day long. Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking
We do fluids for our cats too, it also helps. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:34 AM, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: Natalie is right. It is very important to keep him eating, too. Cats can go into liver failure if they don't eat their normal amount of food. This can happen fairly quickly. Check out the feline assisted feeding yahoo group for ideas and info. Prayers for you and Murphy. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:24 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking Since fluids are so important to keep a cat from dehydrating and keeping organs functioning, an option might be about 100-150 mL of subcutaneous fluids given daily or every second day - it's easy to learn how to do yourself and saves a lot of lives in the long run! Could your vet give Murphy an injection of Vitamin C, B12 etc - could be a great booster. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:45 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking He is still refusing to eat or drink on his own. I am using a little syringe to give him water and plain Pedialyte and also some watered down AD food from the vet. While I was at work today, Glenn was able to carry him to the litter box and he did pee in it (Murphy-LOL), so the plumbing is still functioning. He spends most of his time sleeping, but for a short while tonight he actually walked into the kitchen and sat down, I was able to give him his meds and some food and water with the syringe. He is still very pale and way too quiet. I gave him a Procrit shot last night with a prayer that he will bounce back, but I don't know. Hopefully he will want to eat tomorrow. In July, he was like this for 2 days, then began feeling better fairly quickly except for the sneezing and drippy nose. Got my fingers crossed and saying little purrayers all day long. Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night. I put my hand on it and it didn't smell. That's what throws me. The black light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with! I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she dearly loves her Lucky. She said, Yes, he slobbers a lot. So, maybe that is the answer! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Laurie Why don't you guys like WB cat litter? Just curious. I've tried many types and find it pretty good. I will look up Dr. Elsey's. Lucky's teeth look good. He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble. I thought, Wow, I bet I could brush this cat's teeth. Something I would never get away with on my other cats. Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright. I'm hoping for drool vs. pee! Thanks for your insights. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is drool. The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw. She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the cat and you will have your answer! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Lucky is Lucky
Hi all I've tried this e-mail a few times and it bounces back, so will try yet again... Lucky's IFA test results came back: Negative! This is 5 weeks after a test at the vet's office pronounced him a weak positive for FeLV. The vet tech said, the color just barely changed in explaining what weak positive meant. In giving the IFA results, the vet surmised Lucky may have been recently exposed when he was tested, and the course of antibiotics and being taken good care of may have prevented the virus from getting a hold on him. So my questions are: should I trust this test result of have him retested again? If so, when? Are my 3 healthy house cats safe to be around him? As usual, any inputs are appreciated! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?
Thanks, everyone - this is helpful. It's what I figured - yep, keep the little cutie in. If we are outside with him, he's fine, but only if we give him all our attention - if not, he will pull some daredevil stunt like climbing the highest tree, or running under the gate and start scratching my car's tires :) I worry that he's just so alone out there, no other babies, and he knows mom and dad and the inside kitties are all together. I'll have to watch him very carefully for any signs of depression. Today was the first day and he was ok, but restless. Once it's 20 below of course, it will be an easier sell! I figure winter will be a good thing for him this year and might help make him a total house cat. I spent about 1 - 3 hrs a day every day since August 2009 with him, (with the exception of those few days he never appeared) so that's why he can be picked up and cuddled now. thanks everyone. your kitties are so lucky to have you. Shannon and Whimsy --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 11:38 AM My experience: Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only. She will occasionally sneak out, only to go directly under the deck. Some adventure! After 15 min. she's ready to come in. She's 14 yrs. old now. Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only. He's never offered to sneak out. Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the last one caught. She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came home. I think she was just very frightened and hiding. Never offers to rush the door. Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat. He is having some difficulties adjusting. The Feliway spray helps, but is very expensive. Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk). We're going to the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection. I hope it is not behavioral, because then I'm stumped. Not wealthy and can't let the cat ruin what furniture I do have. I think the cold turkey thing is the way. In my experience, time and attention tame them. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? I agree. My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been inside for awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one former tame outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to being inside, but he was eventually fine. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:30 AM I'll write more later - am feeding and cleaning litter boxes right now for cats that are strictly indoor and were either truly feral, reverted abandoned cats at one time. And when I say feral, you couldn't even get near them for a long time until they trusted us. It's easy - you are the one that controls the door. Most decide that it's so great inside that they don't even want to use the outdoor enclosure! Speaking with 18 1/2 yrs of experience - having started trapping ONLY feral cats when we started our rescue group. Some become the most adorable, friendly ever - some don't - but being indoors, with a nice soft bed and regular feeding, they always accepted our hospitality very gratefully! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? I would be interested in hearing others' stories of bringing inside an FeLV 'former feral' - to permenantly indoor. I don't let out my kitties, but Whimsy has gone from a cagey feral to almost house cat status. He has the sunroom to himself, and has been out in the daytime and with us some evenings. When out, he was staying in the yard, but the past few days has started to explore like he used to, and we have caught him across the street, etc. Obviously, it's a big fright for us and since we were planning on him being inside 24/7 with Halloween coming up, this might be the time to break the news to himit's not safe for you to be out at all without your mom and dad. Because he was so feral, and it's taken him so long to get to this point, we have worked at his pace - we didn't have a choice when we couldn't trap him, couldn't handle him. Now he comes when he's called. I want to make the leap now for peace of mind and his
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
I have a friend who orders X-O in bulk on line splits the cost/product with friends who pool their money. She swears by it. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 10/21/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 9:27 AM It's interesting, but after we had this conversation about OdoBan last week, I found a bottle of X-O in my vast arsenal of odor-removing/neutralizing products, and used it on a very stubborn peed on area - it worked immediately. I don't know why the X-O was stuck in the back - I truly believe it's the best one I've used so far. It comes in concentrated form. There's a also a super concentrated cleaner made by X-O - I am going back to it. I found a very inexpensive source online, if anyone would like to try it. Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking
Cyproheptadine always works in my cats. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 10/21/10, Hotmail Junk cstet...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Hotmail Junk cstet...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 11:03 AM We do fluids for our cats too, it also helps. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:34 AM, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: Natalie is right. It is very important to keep him eating, too. Cats can go into liver failure if they don't eat their normal amount of food. This can happen fairly quickly. Check out the feline assisted feeding yahoo group for ideas and info. Prayers for you and Murphy. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:24 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking Since fluids are so important to keep a cat from dehydrating and keeping organs functioning, an option might be about 100-150 mL of subcutaneous fluids given daily or every second day - it's easy to learn how to do yourself and saves a lot of lives in the long run! Could your vet give Murphy an injection of Vitamin C, B12 etc - could be a great booster. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:45 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking He is still refusing to eat or drink on his own. I am using a little syringe to give him water and plain Pedialyte and also some watered down AD food from the vet. While I was at work today, Glenn was able to carry him to the litter box and he did pee in it (Murphy-LOL), so the plumbing is still functioning. He spends most of his time sleeping, but for a short while tonight he actually walked into the kitchen and sat down, I was able to give him his meds and some food and water with the syringe. He is still very pale and way too quiet. I gave him a Procrit shot last night with a prayer that he will bounce back, but I don't know. Hopefully he will want to eat tomorrow. In July, he was like this for 2 days, then began feeling better fairly quickly except for the sneezing and drippy nose. Got my fingers crossed and saying little purrayers all day long. Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
If it isn't drool and it is pee, and doesn't smell, that could imply urinary tract problems. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night. I put my hand on it and it didn't smell. That's what throws me. The black light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with! I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she dearly loves her Lucky. She said, Yes, he slobbers a lot. So, maybe that is the answer! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Laurie Why don't you guys like WB cat litter? Just curious. I've tried many types and find it pretty good. I will look up Dr. Elsey's. Lucky's teeth look good. He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble. I thought, Wow, I bet I could brush this cat's teeth. Something I would never get away with on my other cats. Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright. I'm hoping for drool vs. pee! Thanks for your insights. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is drool. The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw. She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the cat and you will have your answer! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you -
Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
I would skip the black light as it will show anything organic (spit and urine and vomit). If it doesn't smell, it isn't urine. Trust me. You would have no question if it's urine. Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 10:49 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night. I put my hand on it and it didn't smell. That's what throws me. The black light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with! I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she dearly loves her Lucky. She said, Yes, he slobbers a lot. So, maybe that is the answer! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Laurie Why don't you guys like WB cat litter? Just curious. I've tried many types and find it pretty good. I will look up Dr. Elsey's. Lucky's teeth look good. He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble. I thought, Wow, I bet I could brush this cat's teeth. Something I would never get away with on my other cats. Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright. I'm hoping for drool vs. pee! Thanks for your insights. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is drool. The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw. She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several
Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?
He sounds like a blast. My newest came from a farm (via a shelter) and is crazy. I give her a new' toy everyday. Pipe cleaners in a spring form work well and so does wadded up paper. Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? Thanks, everyone - this is helpful. It's what I figured - yep, keep the little cutie in. If we are outside with him, he's fine, but only if we give him all our attention - if not, he will pull some daredevil stunt like climbing the highest tree, or running under the gate and start scratching my car's tires :) I worry that he's just so alone out there, no other babies, and he knows mom and dad and the inside kitties are all together. I'll have to watch him very carefully for any signs of depression. Today was the first day and he was ok, but restless. Once it's 20 below of course, it will be an easier sell! I figure winter will be a good thing for him this year and might help make him a total house cat. I spent about 1 - 3 hrs a day every day since August 2009 with him, (with the exception of those few days he never appeared) so that's why he can be picked up and cuddled now. thanks everyone. your kitties are so lucky to have you. Shannon and Whimsy --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 11:38 AM My experience: Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only. She will occasionally sneak out, only to go directly under the deck. Some adventure! After 15 min. she's ready to come in. She's 14 yrs. old now. Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only. He's never offered to sneak out. Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the last one caught. She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came home. I think she was just very frightened and hiding. Never offers to rush the door. Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat. He is having some difficulties adjusting. The Feliway spray helps, but is very expensive. Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk). We're going to the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection. I hope it is not behavioral, because then I'm stumped. Not wealthy and can't let the cat ruin what furniture I do have. I think the cold turkey thing is the way. In my experience, time and attention tame them. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? I agree. My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been inside for awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one former tame outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to being inside, but he was eventually fine. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:30 AM I'll write more later - am feeding and cleaning litter boxes right now for cats that are strictly indoor and were either truly feral, reverted abandoned cats at one time. And when I say feral, you couldn't even get near them for a long time until they trusted us. It's easy - you are the one that controls the door. Most decide that it's so great inside that they don't even want to use the outdoor enclosure! Speaking with 18 1/2 yrs of experience - having started trapping ONLY feral cats when we started our rescue group. Some become the most adorable, friendly ever - some don't - but being indoors, with a nice soft bed and regular feeding, they always accepted our hospitality very gratefully! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? I would be interested in hearing others' stories of bringing
Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
Will also show laundry soap (as I learned when I had a ringworm kitty)LOL Christiane Biagi Volunteer-Friends of the Animal Shelter (FOAS) 914-720-6888 ti...@mindspring.com -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 2:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie I would skip the black light as it will show anything organic (spit and urine and vomit). If it doesn't smell, it isn't urine. Trust me. You would have no question if it's urine. Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 10:49 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night. I put my hand on it and it didn't smell. That's what throws me. The black light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with! I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she dearly loves her Lucky. She said, Yes, he slobbers a lot. So, maybe that is the answer! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Laurie Why don't you guys like WB cat litter? Just curious. I've tried many types and find it pretty good. I will look up Dr. Elsey's. Lucky's teeth look good. He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble. I thought, Wow, I bet I could brush this cat's teeth. Something I would never get away with on my other cats. Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright. I'm hoping for drool vs. pee! Thanks for your insights. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is drool. The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw. She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz
Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
I didn't know this and stand corrected. Thanks, Gloria, for this info. Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie If it isn't drool and it is pee, and doesn't smell, that could imply urinary tract problems. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night. I put my hand on it and it didn't smell. That's what throws me. The black light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with! I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she dearly loves her Lucky. She said, Yes, he slobbers a lot. So, maybe that is the answer! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Laurie Why don't you guys like WB cat litter? Just curious. I've tried many types and find it pretty good. I will look up Dr. Elsey's. Lucky's teeth look good. He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble. I thought, Wow, I bet I could brush this cat's teeth. Something I would never get away with on my other cats. Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright. I'm hoping for drool vs. pee! Thanks for your insights. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is drool. The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw. She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Where does she get it? I found the lowest prices here: also low shipping http://www.amazon.com/X-O-Neutralizer-32-oz-Concentrate/dp/B0002XJ15U/ref=sr _1_1?ie=UTF8s=home-gardenqid=1287254448sr=8-1-spell http://www.amazon.com/X-O-Corporation-Plus-Cleaner-gallon/dp/B00061MTES/ref= pd_sbs_k_2 http://www.amazon.com/X-Plus-Cleaner-32-Concentrate/dp/B0002XJ150/ref=pd_sbs _k_1 -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia I have a friend who orders X-O in bulk on line splits the cost/product with friends who pool their money. She swears by it. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 10/21/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 9:27 AM It's interesting, but after we had this conversation about OdoBan last week, I found a bottle of X-O in my vast arsenal of odor-removing/neutralizing products, and used it on a very stubborn peed on area - it worked immediately. I don't know why the X-O was stuck in the back - I truly believe it's the best one I've used so far. It comes in concentrated form. There's a also a super concentrated cleaner made by X-O - I am going back to it. I found a very inexpensive source online, if anyone would like to try it. Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lucky is Lucky
Bonnie have you 3 cats had their FeLV vaccine? If so I'd let them get to know each other. Sharyl --- On Thu, 10/21/10, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Lucky is Lucky To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 12:14 PM Hi all I've tried this e-mail a few times and it bounces back, so will try yet again... Lucky's IFA test results came back: Negative! This is 5 weeks after a test at the vet's office pronounced him a weak positive for FeLV. The vet tech said, the color just barely changed in explaining what weak positive meant. In giving the IFA results, the vet surmised Lucky may have been recently exposed when he was tested, and the course of antibiotics and being taken good care of may have prevented the virus from getting a hold on him. So my questions are: should I trust this test result of have him retested again? If so, when? Are my 3 healthy house cats safe to be around him? As usual, any inputs are appreciated! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lucky is Lucky
Congratulations, Bonnie! Lucky indeed! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 2:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lucky is Lucky Bonnie have you 3 cats had their FeLV vaccine? If so I'd let them get to know each other. Sharyl --- On Thu, 10/21/10, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Lucky is Lucky To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 12:14 PM Hi all I've tried this e-mail a few times and it bounces back, so will try yet again... Lucky's IFA test results came back: Negative! This is 5 weeks after a test at the vet's office pronounced him a weak positive for FeLV. The vet tech said, the color just barely changed in explaining what weak positive meant. In giving the IFA results, the vet surmised Lucky may have been recently exposed when he was tested, and the course of antibiotics and being taken good care of may have prevented the virus from getting a hold on him. So my questions are: should I trust this test result of have him retested again? If so, when? Are my 3 healthy house cats safe to be around him? As usual, any inputs are appreciated! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 5553 (20101021) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lucky is Lucky
Sharyl No one has been vaccinated. I was hoping to avoid it (cost, don't like to vaccinate unecessarily) but maybe it is a good idea. They range in age from 7 years to 14 1/2 years. - Original Message - From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lucky is Lucky Bonnie have you 3 cats had their FeLV vaccine? If so I'd let them get to know each other. Sharyl --- On Thu, 10/21/10, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Lucky is Lucky To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 12:14 PM Hi all I've tried this e-mail a few times and it bounces back, so will try yet again... Lucky's IFA test results came back: Negative! This is 5 weeks after a test at the vet's office pronounced him a weak positive for FeLV. The vet tech said, the color just barely changed in explaining what weak positive meant. In giving the IFA results, the vet surmised Lucky may have been recently exposed when he was tested, and the course of antibiotics and being taken good care of may have prevented the virus from getting a hold on him. So my questions are: should I trust this test result of have him retested again? If so, when? Are my 3 healthy house cats safe to be around him? As usual, any inputs are appreciated! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lucky is Lucky
Bonnie, The FeLV vaccine is followed up in 3-4 weeks with a booster. Many feel adult cats have some amount of natural immunity to FeLV. Since my FeLV's were truly positive I didn't want to take any chances and had my negatives vaccinated and did the booster before mixing. I did this when I rescued my 1st two FeLV kittens. I haven't had any problems with my negative kitties. Sharyl --- On Thu, 10/21/10, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lucky is Lucky To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 7:48 PM Sharyl No one has been vaccinated. I was hoping to avoid it (cost, don't like to vaccinate unecessarily) but maybe it is a good idea. They range in age from 7 years to 14 1/2 years. - Original Message - From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lucky is Lucky Bonnie have you 3 cats had their FeLV vaccine? If so I'd let them get to know each other. Sharyl --- On Thu, 10/21/10, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Lucky is Lucky To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 12:14 PM Hi all I've tried this e-mail a few times and it bounces back, so will try yet again... Lucky's IFA test results came back: Negative! This is 5 weeks after a test at the vet's office pronounced him a weak positive for FeLV. The vet tech said, the color just barely changed in explaining what weak positive meant. In giving the IFA results, the vet surmised Lucky may have been recently exposed when he was tested, and the course of antibiotics and being taken good care of may have prevented the virus from getting a hold on him. So my questions are: should I trust this test result of have him retested again? If so, when? Are my 3 healthy house cats safe to be around him? As usual, any inputs are appreciated! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Murphy is improving!! Beginning to eat on his own!!!
Wooo Hooo!! Before I left for work this morning, I gave him his meds (Interferon 1cc into the mouth, and the capsules-one with doxy and cypro, one with lasix and 1/2 pred, I fill the extra space in those capsules with powdered Lysine, and one cap with Rutin, so his am is 3 capsules and in the pm he gets one more with iron). Washed it down with unflavored Pedialyte and then 3 syringes (I use the 3cc) of watered down AD food from the vet. I left instructions for Glenn and my son Corey to try to give him some food and Pedialyte throughout the day. When I got home tonight he came wobbling out into the kitchen to greet me!! I am ecstatic at this point. I gave him his meds and fixed some food, some fancy feast and another dish of AD. I put him up on the counter (I have to feed above Aussie height!) in the spare bathroom and he worked on the fancy feast for awhile. He came into the kitchen for some kitty treats, then laid down for quite awhile. When he woke up, I carried him into the bathroom where the litter box was (we took the cover off of it) and he went in by himself!! He is still real wobbly and spends most of the time lying down, but he is more alert and wanting to spend time near us, not in the dark spare room. A little while ago I felt something brush my legs, I looked down expecting Rosie but it was Murphy!! He laid down quickly and I sat on the floor petting him and talking to him. He'll get another 21 units of Procrit tomorrow night. Man, all of your purrayers are working!! Hopefully he is going to keep improving, good thing they have 9 lives. Another funny thing-last night when I walked past Rosie, she reached out and smacked my leg. I turned around and walked past her to see what she was trying to do and she smacked me again!! I think she is feeling neglected!! I haven't spent much time with her since Monday with all the worrying about Murphy. So tonight I have been playing with her-she likes to race ahead of you and do a forward roll, flop over on her back and have you rub her tummy! Thanks for all of your purrayers and kind thoughts. This is a battle not easily won and these little victories are sadly temporary for the most part, but I am grateful for every day. I just want the last 2 kitties to be with us longer, it hurts so much. Your friends, Alice, Glenn and the kids Rosie n Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is improving!! Beginning to eat on his own!!!
Yay! Good news about Murphy! Hope the improvement continues. All your ministrations certainly help, but I really see the love you have for these little guys...and that is the most powerful medicine! Enjoy your time! ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:07 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy is improving!! Beginning to eat on his own!!! Wooo Hooo!! Before I left for work this morning, I gave him his meds (Interferon 1cc into the mouth, and the capsules-one with doxy and cypro, one with lasix and 1/2 pred, I fill the extra space in those capsules with powdered Lysine, and one cap with Rutin, so his am is 3 capsules and in the pm he gets one more with iron). Washed it down with unflavored Pedialyte and then 3 syringes (I use the 3cc) of watered down AD food from the vet. I left instructions for Glenn and my son Corey to try to give him some food and Pedialyte throughout the day. When I got home tonight he came wobbling out into the kitchen to greet me!! I am ecstatic at this point. I gave him his meds and fixed some food, some fancy feast and another dish of AD. I put him up on the counter (I have to feed above Aussie height!) in the spare bathroom and he worked on the fancy feast for awhile. He came into the kitchen for some kitty treats, then laid down for quite awhile. When he woke up, I carried him into the bathroom where the litter box was (we took the cover off of it) and he went in by himself!! He is still real wobbly and spends most of the time lying down, but he is more alert and wanting to spend time near us, not in the dark spare room. A little while ago I felt something brush my legs, I looked down expecting Rosie but it was Murphy!! He laid down quickly and I sat on the floor petting him and talking to him. He'll get another 21 units of Procrit tomorrow night. Man, all of your purrayers are working!! Hopefully he is going to keep improving, good thing they have 9 lives. Another funny thing-last night when I walked past Rosie, she reached out and smacked my leg. I turned around and walked past her to see what she was trying to do and she smacked me again!! I think she is feeling neglected!! I haven't spent much time with her since Monday with all the worrying about Murphy. So tonight I have been playing with her-she likes to race ahead of you and do a forward roll, flop over on her back and have you rub her tummy! Thanks for all of your purrayers and kind thoughts. This is a battle not easily won and these little victories are sadly temporary for the most part, but I am grateful for every day. I just want the last 2 kitties to be with us longer, it hurts so much. Your friends, Alice, Glenn and the kids Rosie n Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
