Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
The general time allotted for any cat that one plans to release in an area, is 4 weeks.that includes taking the cat outside to allow it to get to know the area, in increments. The cat must realize that this is her home, and she must learn the scent. If this were dead in the middle of winter, one cannot do it that way - snow deters a cat from learning any scents..some people move to a new place, and immediately allow their cat(s) to go outside, and if there's snow, bye bye cat... From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but... Bonnie, I would suggest going to the feral_cats Yahoogroup and reading the Files. You have to look a little, but there is good advice for dealing with all kinds of situations. You can join the group and just ask, of course, but they will respect you more if you look in the Files first. I'm not completely sure of this, but I think that list advises AGAINST holding a cat you're going to TNR inside for that long unless it is ill and under treatment. The idea being that it will lose its sense of being an outside cat. They DO advocate, when relocating, holding the cat outside in a large cage for a few weeks to get them used to the yard and the idea that this is where food is. Hope this helps. Diane R. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:31 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but... Importance: High Folks I'm sorry to be monopolizing all this air space on the list this morning, but am trying to figure this out with this cat. So, if I decide to put her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has been suggested, then how do I introduce her to 'living outside' again? I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying to introduce my aunt's cat, Princess. I know this doesn't sound like much to some of you, but it's getting a bit stress (maybe more for me than for the felines!).. Again, I can't thank you enough for sharing your information and experiences. I deeply appreciate you all! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
The one concern is that Hemy is NOT being released in her own territory and if she doesn't get used to Bonnie and her yard, may start searching for the old area. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but... On that, I have had a few ferals that were held inside after vet treatment for various reasons: weather (very hot or cold etc), dangers (size and age of cat and the presents of packs of dogs, hawks etc) healing time + adjust time (they were returning to their own group), and just because of numerous other concerns. None of them have ever forgotten their nature. These ferals live at my Mom's but I am the primary servant. Mom's concerns have to be addressed. This is my experience only. On Aug 11, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Bonnie, I would suggest going to the feral_cats Yahoogroup and reading the Files. You have to look a little, but there is good advice for dealing with all kinds of situations. You can join the group and just ask, of course, but they will respect you more if you look in the Files first. I'm not completely sure of this, but I think that list advises AGAINST holding a cat you're going to TNR inside for that long unless it is ill and under treatment. The idea being that it will lose its sense of being an outside cat. They DO advocate, when relocating, holding the cat outside in a large cage for a few weeks to get them used to the yard and the idea that this is where food is. Hope this helps. Diane R. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:31 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but... Importance: High Folks I'm sorry to be monopolizing all this air space on the list this morning, but am trying to figure this out with this cat. So, if I decide to put her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has been suggested, then how do I introduce her to 'living outside' again? I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying to introduce my aunt's cat, Princess. I know this doesn't sound like much to some of you, but it's getting a bit stress (maybe more for me than for the felines!).. Again, I can't thank you enough for sharing your information and experiences. I deeply appreciate you all! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Sorry to Ask so much, but...
Try contacting a rescue to see if they have one you can borrow or look on your post on your local Free Cycle list if you have one. I had so many extra crates when I stopped fostering kittens I didn't know what to do with them! Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Sorry to Ask so much, but... This is the same type of crate I used on my cross country trip with the kitties in the semi, I bought 4 of these, 2, 36 and 2, 42 sizes, only difference is mine have 3 doors (one on the side too). They are very nice, easy to fold and set up, On 8/11/2011 9:18 AM, Natalie wrote: http://www.amazon.com/Pet-Folding-Crate-Cage-Kennel/dp/B004G4W2I4/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8qid=1313079277sr=8-6 look at this one for 41.99 Opens from top and has 2 doors, apparently. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://BelindaSauro.com http://HostDesign4U.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rafferty Please add to the CLS :(
I'm so sorry for your loss, Sherry. We'll light a candle for Rafferty. Valerie On Aug 11, 2011, at 6:08 PM, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: My heart is heavy and hurting tonight,I had to let my beautiful Rafferty go to the bridge. Raff was my 1st Sids kid that I brought into my heart and home almost 5 years and 8 months ago. I brought him home just a few seconds from midnight NYE 2006. He chose me when I was talking to another cat I heard this pllluuurrp behind me,I turned around and saw this crazy Dr Seussish looking cat and asked him if he was talking to me...his response puurrrpI was hooked he was mine or I was his :) He was also a milkaholic...he would stalk you in the kitchen if you got the milk out and did not give him someone of my fav pics of him is the one with droplets of milk on his beautiful black and white faceI love you Raff and I am so happy I brought you home and cherish EVERY moment I had with you,no regrets my baby boy no regrets. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU
Dear All Update on my Dilemma and numerous questions.. The little feral cat from my aunt's house is now safely in a large cage on my back deck. Phew! Forgotten Felines lent me the cage and advised that should be her transition place. She's mad as heck and won't look at me and hisses, but lets me clean the litter box, give her food and change the water. But this is only day 2. She seems to be healing from her tail amputation, and her hind leg wound/tumor (they aren't sure). My goal is to let her stay in my yard - not my favorite thing, but can work (birds: beware). I am open to finding her a home if she turns out to be friendly enough. I will Never take her to a shelter or give her away to anyone I don't know and can't check up on. She's had it tough enough already. I call her Hemy (sorta short for Himalayan?). She's half lot of things: she was already spayed; she is at least half Himalayan; she is half feral and half friendly; she has a little clef palate; she is blue-eyed and although looked awful with a damaged tail she is a 9 lb. 6 oz. beauty! If she ever forgives me for causing her this trauma, we may get to be friends! I am considering building a larger enclosure for her, and maybe could use it to give the indoor cats some time outside. And thank you all so much for your help! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
I followed up at the clinic yesterday: their policy is to scan each cat for a chip when they come in. This one was scanned and nothing found. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 10:49 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma Yep my thoughts exactly, there just is no end to the weird situations that come up. Had one where the chip contact info was all outdated (phones didn't work, moved, etc.), kept doing internet searches Yahoo suggested a different spelling of the last name--name had been spelled incorrectly on the chip records. Still were skeptical as the cat was found at a very obvious/common dumping spot, but turned out the chip info was from the original owner (just last name spelled wrong but I located once Yahoo figured that part out) who had adopted the cat to a friend a year prior...friend dumped the cat, to the original owner's shock (and showed no remorse when contacted)...orig. owner felt horrible and took the kitty back. Have had more than one where I was only able to find the owner, in situations where it was a very, very old cat (18+, 2 cases like this) but chip not registered/contact info not up to date, by asking the chip company where the cat was chipped (unfortunately, the representatives don't always offer this info up unless you ask but it can be the missing link) or by guessing the family vet by the registered address calling the vet who either knew the cat or was able to look up the people's name. Found 2 owners that way. It sucks people don't keep chip info up to date but have seen every very good homes go through divorce or other change and forget to do so. I agree, sounds like this kitty has been on the streets a while, still best to scan for chip do homework just in case And remember there is a universal microchip lookup website. I have also had chips we scanned ourselves, gave us the chip # and said petlink with a ph# (or other company), that company had no record...but turned out people registered with another company. As a rescuer, I have been very frustrated by these experiences as it tells me the average joe cat finder won't know/think to try all these things which makes finding owners even harder...this happened to me once where the chip info WAS up to date, but, registered to AKC and not coming up via other searches (including the company/ph# that came up on the scanner when we scanned the chip). Sorry to go on, it's a peeve of mine:-) On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: I do lost/found work for a couple of shelters you have no idea how far animals wander. A chip got a cat home that had disappeared months ago from its home about 10 miles away. Thing is sometimes, people pick up strays, bring them home, and then lose or dump them again-now even further from home. Its ALWAYS worth scanning, and checking with your local shelter maybe taking a look at craig's list-though in this case, it sounds like the cat's been out there for a couple of years. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma Lots of good advice--given this kitty was already spayed, is a cleft palate himi (many cleft palate babies do not survive), this was likely someone's pet. some of the cats at my colonies who have been most standoffish were sweet once we got our hands on them. Was she scanned for a chip? I would definitely do this. She may of course be abandoned but also could be displaced/lost. Most of the chipped cats I find do not have up to date contact info and I've had to do detective work, but because the chip info isn't up to date doesn't always mean the cat doesn't have someone who loves misses it. So many don't have/need homes, it is worth the effort I believe...most turn out to be deadbeat owners, but there could be a kid in the family who's been crying for months over their lost pet--I have had this situation before where we really didn't think the cat had a good home, one never knows. I say this knowing that most do end up being deadbeatsbut, not always, or at least, there might be one person in the family who does care and deserves to know the kitty is alive and have a chance to claim. Just thoughts, I've had recent situations in this regard--please pardon if I missed something that clearly indicated the cat was abandoned (like people just moved out, etc.). Good luck and thank you for helping her!! On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: Kat, great advice and exactly what I would do. Place her in a room in the house (bathroom/bedroom) and you might find that she is quite
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU
I pet sit for a feral cat. She was trapped released the lady re-released her at her new house when she moved. I would have to leave the front door open so she could sneak inside. She now runs up to my car begs to be picked up. Yet the woman still calls her feral, LOL. So Hemy may very well come around. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU Poor Hemy must be very upset; but the fact that she’s not lunging at you when you tend to her needs, proves that she’s not a true feral! An outdoor enclosure for your cats and Hemy (separated, and where she could live all the time) would be great – then you wouldn’t have to worry about her safety and the birds! But if she has a cleft palate, how is she managing to eat and survive? Good luck! From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 12:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU Importance: High Dear All Update on my “Dilemma” and numerous “questions”…. The little “feral” cat from my aunt’s house is now safely in a large cage on my back deck. Phew! Forgotten Felines lent me the cage and advised that should be her transition place. She’s “mad as heck” and won’t look at me and hisses, but lets me clean the litter box, give her food and change the water. But this is only day 2. She seems to be healing from her tail amputation, and her hind leg wound/tumor (they aren’t sure). My goal is to let her stay in my yard – not my favorite thing, but can work (birds: beware). I am open to finding her a home if she turns out to be friendly enough. I will Never take her to a “shelter” or give her away to anyone I don’t know and can’t check up on. She’s had it tough enough already. I call her Hemy (sorta short for Himalayan?). She’s “half” lot of things: she was already spayed; she is at least half Himalayan; she is half feral and half friendly; she has a little clef palate; she is blue-eyed and although looked awful with a damaged tail she is a 9 lb. 6 oz. beauty! If she ever forgives me for causing her this trauma, we may get to be friends! I am considering building a larger enclosure for her, and maybe could use it to give the indoor cats some time outside. And thank you all so much for your help! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
I never thought of checking for chips. We have so many unwanted babies around here. Everyone wants to let their Moma have babies for the kids sake or say it costs too much to spay them. Then when they get pregnant, they take them out and dump them, let them fend for themselves or kill them. Only since PALS started up (guess they never had a place to take them before) have peple been turning them in so they could find a home. I usually end up keeping them and once I have taken them for shots and spaying/neutering, they are mine. It costs around $200.00 for all that and also by that time I am attached to them and do't want to let go of them. Can't take them to PALS because they and all the foster parents are loaded up. We have had a lot of people loosing their homes, can't have animals in their new (usually rental) home so they bring them to PALS. All of the no kill rescues are over crowded because of this. It is a bad situation and I don't see an end in the near future so we have to start looking for a new solution. Well, an old one called spay or neuter. Just have to get people to do it. Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: I do lost/found work for a couple of shelters you have no idea how far animals wander. A chip got a cat home that had disappeared months ago from its home about 10 miles away. Thing is sometimes, people pick up strays, bring them home, and then lose or dump them again-now even further from home. Its ALWAYS worth scanning, and checking with your local shelter maybe taking a look at craig's list-though in this case, it sounds like the cat's been out there for a couple of years. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma Lots of good advice--given this kitty was already spayed, is a cleft palate himi (many cleft palate babies do not survive), this was likely someone's pet. some of the cats at my colonies who have been most standoffish were sweet once we got our hands on them. Was she scanned for a chip? I would definitely do this. She may of course be abandoned but also could be displaced/lost. Most of the chipped cats I find do not have up to date contact info and I've had to do detective work, but because the chip info isn't up to date doesn't always mean the cat doesn't have someone who loves misses it. So many don't have/need homes, it is worth the effort I believe...most turn out to be deadbeat owners, but there could be a kid in the family who's been crying for months over their lost pet--I have had this situation before where we really didn't think the cat had a good home, one never knows. I say this knowing that most do end up being deadbeatsbut, not always, or at least, there might be one person in the family who does care and deserves to know the kitty is alive and have a chance to claim. Just thoughts, I've had recent situations in this regard--please pardon if I missed something that clearly indicated the cat was abandoned (like people just moved out, etc.). Good luck and thank you for helping her!! On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: Kat, great advice and exactly what I would do. Place her in a room in the house (bathroom/bedroom) and you might find that she is quite friendly, simply scared. If you let her outside now, you will never see her again :( _ Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:19:55 + From: merrykatme...@email.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma Hi Bonnie, I would try to bring her over to your house, but not directly outside. Do you have a small room @ your house you can use for a few weeks? If so, you should keep her in there - with litter, food water a place to hide (large box with hole in it some towels will do just fine) while you get her accustomed to you as her new care giver. Go in there everyday to be with her - even if you don't touch her. Stay in there for at least a half-hour read something out loud (normal voice) so she can get used to hearing you. If you decide to name her - use her name over over when you go in to feed her. Praise her for being a smart strong kitty. etc. Then after a few weeks, leave her in the room, but with a screened window cracked open a bit, so she can get used to the new neighborhood smells from inside. That way, when you do finally let her out ( put her box outside too) she will already be familiar with the surroundings won't be so apt to bolt or run off. Good luck! It will be worth the time the effort!!! Kat (Mew Jersey) - Original Message - From: Bonnie Hogue Sent: 08/11/11 09:05 AM To:
Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
I know a cat who was reunited with her person after 2-1/2 years because of a microchip. Always worth scanning, just in case. (I'm in California though. All the rescues chip animals before adoption here. I'm sure other parts of the country do no.) --- On Fri, 8/12/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 1:10 PM I never thought of checking for chips. We have so many unwanted babies around here. Everyone wants to let their Moma have babies for the kids sake or say it costs too much to spay them. Then when they get pregnant, they take them out and dump them, let them fend for themselves or kill them. Only since PALS started up (guess they never had a place to take them before) have peple been turning them in so they could find a home. I usually end up keeping them and once I have taken them for shots and spaying/neutering, they are mine. It costs around $200.00 for all that and also by that time I am attached to them and do't want to let go of them. Can't take them to PALS because they and all the foster parents are loaded up. We have had a lot of people loosing their homes, can't have animals in their new (usually rental) home so they bring them to PALS. All of the no kill rescues are over crowded because of this. It is a bad situation and I don't see an end in the near future so we have to start looking for a new solution. Well, an old one called spay or neuter. Just have to get people to do it. Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: I do lost/found work for a couple of shelters you have no idea how far animals wander. A chip got a cat home that had disappeared months ago from its home about 10 miles away. Thing is sometimes, people pick up strays, bring them home, and then lose or dump them again-now even further from home. Its ALWAYS worth scanning, and checking with your local shelter maybe taking a look at craig's list-though in this case, it sounds like the cat's been out there for a couple of years. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma Lots of good advice--given this kitty was already spayed, is a cleft palate himi (many cleft palate babies do not survive), this was likely someone's pet. some of the cats at my colonies who have been most standoffish were sweet once we got our hands on them. Was she scanned for a chip? I would definitely do this. She may of course be abandoned but also could be displaced/lost. Most of the chipped cats I find do not have up to date contact info and I've had to do detective work, but because the chip info isn't up to date doesn't always mean the cat doesn't have someone who loves misses it. So many don't have/need homes, it is worth the effort I believe...most turn out to be deadbeat owners, but there could be a kid in the family who's been crying for months over their lost pet--I have had this situation before where we really didn't think the cat had a good home, one never knows. I say this knowing that most do end up being deadbeatsbut, not always, or at least, there might be one person in the family who does care and deserves to know the kitty is alive and have a chance to claim. Just thoughts, I've had recent situations in this regard--please pardon if I missed something that clearly indicated the cat was abandoned (like people just moved out, etc.). Good luck and thank you for helping her!! On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: Kat, great advice and exactly what I would do. Place her in a room in the house (bathroom/bedroom) and you might find that she is quite friendly, simply scared. If you let her outside now, you will never see her again :( _ Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:19:55 + From: merrykatme...@email.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma Hi Bonnie, I would try to bring her over to your house, but not directly outside. Do you have a small room @ your house you can use for a few weeks? If so, you should keep her in there - with litter, food water a place to hide (large box with hole in it some towels will do just fine) while you get her accustomed to you as her new care giver. Go in there everyday to be with her - even if you don't touch her. Stay in there for at least a half-hour read something out loud (normal voice) so she can get used to
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU
Not just the south. Here in the midwest it has been unbearable. That is why my pride stays inside most of the day. They go out early morning and back in within an hour. Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: I hope the weather outside is tolerable for her. It's too hot here in the south!! I'm melting, lol! - Original Message - From: Beth To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU I pet sit for a feral cat. She was trapped released the lady re-released her at her new house when she moved. I would have to leave the front door open so she could sneak inside. She now runs up to my car begs to be picked up. Yet the woman still calls her feral, LOL. So Hemy may very well come around. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org -- From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU Poor Hemy must be very upset; but the fact that she’s not lunging at you when you tend to her needs, proves that she’s not a true feral! An outdoor enclosure for your cats and Hemy (separated, and where she could live all the time) would be great – then you wouldn’t have to worry about her safety and the birds! But if she has a cleft palate, how is she managing to eat and survive? Good luck! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 12:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU Importance: High Dear All Update on my “Dilemma” and numerous “questions”…. The little “feral” cat from my aunt’s house is now safely in a large cage on my back deck. Phew! Forgotten Felines lent me the cage and advised that should be her transition place. She’s “mad as heck” and won’t look at me and hisses, but lets me clean the litter box, give her food and change the water. But this is only day 2. She seems to be healing from her tail amputation, and her hind leg wound/tumor (they aren’t sure). My goal is to let her stay in my yard – not my favorite thing, but can work (birds: beware). I am open to finding her a home if she turns out to be friendly enough. I will Never take her to a “shelter” or give her away to anyone I don’t know and can’t check up on. She’s had it tough enough already. I call her Hemy (sorta short for Himalayan?). She’s “half” lot of things: she was already spayed; she is at least half Himalayan; she is half feral and half friendly; she has a little clef palate; she is blue-eyed and although looked awful with a damaged tail she is a 9 lb. 6 oz. beauty! If she ever forgives me for causing her this trauma, we may get to be friends! I am considering building a larger enclosure for her, and maybe could use it to give the indoor cats some time outside. And thank you all so much for your help! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU
I like the outdoor enclosure idea best! I am owrking on plans for my pride. Thinking about roofing half of it so they could be out when I am gone during the day. Then, if it rained or the sun was very hot, they could find shelter. Also, I could get a solar pump and put in a fountain in a small pool for them. Harley would especially love this! He loves water and comes in the shower with me. He has also watched me and learned how to flush the toilet so he can watch the water spin around. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Dear All Update on my Dilemma and numerous questions.. The little feral cat from my aunt's house is now safely in a large cage on my back deck. Phew! Forgotten Felines lent me the cage and advised that should be her transition place. She's mad as heck and won't look at me and hisses, but lets me clean the litter box, give her food and change the water. But this is only day 2. She seems to be healing from her tail amputation, and her hind leg wound/tumor (they aren't sure). My goal is to let her stay in my yard - not my favorite thing, but can work (birds: beware). I am open to finding her a home if she turns out to be friendly enough. I will Never take her to a shelter or give her away to anyone I don't know and can't check up on. She's had it tough enough already. I call her Hemy (sorta short for Himalayan?). She's half lot of things: she was already spayed; she is at least half Himalayan; she is half feral and half friendly; she has a little clef palate; she is blue-eyed and although looked awful with a damaged tail she is a 9 lb. 6 oz. beauty! If she ever forgives me for causing her this trauma, we may get to be friends! I am considering building a larger enclosure for her, and maybe could use it to give the indoor cats some time outside. And thank you all so much for your help! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU
Feral is a badge of honor to some of us. These cats are the best and the brightest. They have survived when all the odds were against them. My little guys are ferals and they have lived with me, travel with me, and owned me for over three yearssince they were 8 weeks old and came out of the pine thicket. One feral, the first to own me, lived in our homes for 16 years. He was born feral and died feral. It is almost a very special breed of cat although not a rare one. On Aug 12, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Beth wrote:. I pet sit for a feral cat. She was trapped released the lady re-released her at her new house when she moved. I would have to leave the front door open so she could sneak inside. She now runs up to my car begs to be picked up. Yet the woman still calls her feral, LOL. So Hemy may very well come around. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU Poor Hemy must be very upset; but the fact that she’s not lunging at you when you tend to her needs, proves that she’s not a true feral! An outdoor enclosure for your cats and Hemy (separated, and where she could live all the time) would be great – then you wouldn’t have to worry about her safety and the birds! But if she has a cleft palate, how is she managing to eat and survive? Good luck! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 12:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU Importance: High Dear All Update on my “Dilemma” and numerous “questions”…. The little “feral” cat from my aunt’s house is now safely in a large cage on my back deck. Phew! Forgotten Felines lent me the cage and advised that should be her transition place. She’s “mad as heck” and won’t look at me and hisses, but lets me clean the litter box, give her food and change the water. But this is only day 2. She seems to be healing from her tail amputation, and her hind leg wound/tumor (they aren’t sure). My goal is to let her stay in my yard – not my favorite thing, but can work (birds: beware). I am open to finding her a home if she turns out to be friendly enough. I will Never take her to a “shelter” or give her away to anyone I don’t know and can’t check up on. She’s had it tough enough already. I call her Hemy (sorta short for Himalayan?). She’s “half” lot of things: she was already spayed; she is at least half Himalayan; she is half feral and half friendly; she has a little clef palate; she is blue-eyed and although looked awful with a damaged tail she is a 9 lb. 6 oz. beauty! If she ever forgives me for causing her this trauma, we may get to be friends! I am considering building a larger enclosure for her, and maybe could use it to give the indoor cats some time outside. And thank you all so much for your help! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
I have often wondered that if I had to move, what would I do about my cats. They are used to going out in the morning, but in a new place they might get lost trying to find their old home. Also, I might end up in town with cars and trucks. I have decided on an outdoor room. Then they can be outside and I won't have to worry about them. All of the ferals I have taken in have become my cats and come inside. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: The general time allotted for any cat that one plans to release in an area, is 4 weeks.that includes taking the cat outside to allow it to get to know the area, in increments. The cat must realize that this is her home, and she must learn the scent. If this were dead in the middle of winter, one cannot do it that way - snow deters a cat from learning any scents..some people move to a new place, and immediately allow their cat(s) to go outside, and if there's snow, bye bye cat... From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but... Bonnie, I would suggest going to the feral_cats Yahoogroup and reading the Files. You have to look a little, but there is good advice for dealing with all kinds of situations. You can join the group and just ask, of course, but they will respect you more if you look in the Files first. I'm not completely sure of this, but I think that list advises AGAINST holding a cat you're going to TNR inside for that long unless it is ill and under treatment. The idea being that it will lose its sense of being an outside cat. They DO advocate, when relocating, holding the cat outside in a large cage for a few weeks to get them used to the yard and the idea that this is where food is. Hope this helps. Diane R. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:31 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but... Importance: High Folks I'm sorry to be monopolizing all this air space on the list this morning, but am trying to figure this out with this cat. So, if I decide to put her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has been suggested, then how do I introduce her to 'living outside' again? I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying to introduce my aunt's cat, Princess. I know this doesn't sound like much to some of you, but it's getting a bit stress (maybe more for me than for the felines!).. Again, I can't thank you enough for sharing your information and experiences. I deeply appreciate you all! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rafferty Please add to the CLS :(
My prayers go to you I know what it is to loose one of your babies. You were his. They have a way of taking possession of their people. They leave a hole in your heart, but it will be filled I am sure. Another will findtheir way to you. Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: My heart is heavy and hurting tonight,I had to let my beautiful Rafferty go to the bridge. Raff was my 1st Sids kid that I brought into my heart and home almost 5 years and 8 months ago. I brought him home just a few seconds from midnight NYE 2006. He chose me when I was talking to another cat I heard this pllluuurrp behind me,I turned around and saw this crazy Dr Seussish looking cat and asked him if he was talking to me...his response puurrrpI was hooked he was mine or I was his :) He was also a milkaholic...he would stalk you in the kitchen if you got the milk out and did not give him someone of my fav pics of him is the one with droplets of milk on his beautiful black and white faceI love you Raff and I am so happy I brought you home and cherish EVERY moment I had with you,no regrets my baby boy no regrets. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
I would opt for the punch andthen let said friend that they were NO LONGER A FRIEND. Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: Well, yes, there IS that. I would have gladly taken the cat back :) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 15:18:36 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma I had to erase most of the “old” stuff, to get this sent; new server accepts 30 KB (better than the last one, 20KB). From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 2:46 PM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma Edna, I bet it would also have taken you a mere nanosecond to drive to said friend to get the cat, had he/she asked you before dumping the cat….. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 2:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma I just have to say that had I adopted out a cat to a friend and said friend dumped the cat and then showed no remorse for doing so, it would have taken me a nanosecond to drive to said friend's house and throat punched him/her. As I am fond of saying, don't let the tears fool ya, I'm a toof chipper ;) Edna eleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU
That's what we did' one has half a roof, the others have window screening over the wire mesh - cuts down on debris and rain. Another one has a sun umbrella standing over part of it - and guess what...most cats lie in the sun on the hottest of days! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 5:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU I like the outdoor enclosure idea best! I am owrking on plans for my pride. Thinking about roofing half of it so they could be out when I am gone during the day. Then, if it rained or the sun was very hot, they could find shelter. Also, I could get a solar pump and put in a fountain in a small pool for them. Harley would especially love this! He loves water and comes in the shower with me. He has also watched me and learned how to flush the toilet so he can watch the water spin around. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Dear All Update on my Dilemma and numerous questions.. The little feral cat from my aunt's house is now safely in a large cage on my back deck. Phew! Forgotten Felines lent me the cage and advised that should be her transition place. She's mad as heck and won't look at me and hisses, but lets me clean the litter box, give her food and change the water. But this is only day 2. She seems to be healing from her tail amputation, and her hind leg wound/tumor (they aren't sure). My goal is to let her stay in my yard - not my favorite thing, but can work (birds: beware). I am open to finding her a home if she turns out to be friendly enough. I will Never take her to a shelter or give her away to anyone I don't know and can't check up on. She's had it tough enough already. I call her Hemy (sorta short for Himalayan?). She's half lot of things: she was already spayed; she is at least half Himalayan; she is half feral and half friendly; she has a little clef palate; she is blue-eyed and although looked awful with a damaged tail she is a 9 lb. 6 oz. beauty! If she ever forgives me for causing her this trauma, we may get to be friends! I am considering building a larger enclosure for her, and maybe could use it to give the indoor cats some time outside. And thank you all so much for your help! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU
I am still trying to figure out that one. Could it be because cats originally comes from the hottest parts of the world. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: That's what we did' one has half a roof, the others have window screening over the wire mesh - cuts down on debris and rain. Another one has a sun umbrella standing over part of it - and guess what...most cats lie in the sun on the hottest of days! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 5:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU I like the outdoor enclosure idea best! I am owrking on plans for my pride. Thinking about roofing half of it so they could be out when I am gone during the day. Then, if it rained or the sun was very hot, they could find shelter. Also, I could get a solar pump and put in a fountain in a small pool for them. Harley would especially love this! He loves water and comes in the shower with me. He has also watched me and learned how to flush the toilet so he can watch the water spin around. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Dear All Update on my Dilemma and numerous questions.. The little feral cat from my aunt's house is now safely in a large cage on my back deck. Phew! Forgotten Felines lent me the cage and advised that should be her transition place. She's mad as heck and won't look at me and hisses, but lets me clean the litter box, give her food and change the water. But this is only day 2. She seems to be healing from her tail amputation, and her hind leg wound/tumor (they aren't sure). My goal is to let her stay in my yard - not my favorite thing, but can work (birds: beware). I am open to finding her a home if she turns out to be friendly enough. I will Never take her to a shelter or give her away to anyone I don't know and can't check up on. She's had it tough enough already. I call her Hemy (sorta short for Himalayan?). She's half lot of things: she was already spayed; she is at least half Himalayan; she is half feral and half friendly; she has a little clef palate; she is blue-eyed and although looked awful with a damaged tail she is a 9 lb. 6 oz. beauty! If she ever forgives me for causing her this trauma, we may get to be friends! I am considering building a larger enclosure for her, and maybe could use it to give the indoor cats some time outside. And thank you all so much for your help! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU
Yea but my theory is where the cats lie is the coolest spot. They somehow find the slightest breeze or the floor is cool or something--but there's a reason why they lie where they do! LOL -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 5:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU That's what we did' one has half a roof, the others have window screening over the wire mesh - cuts down on debris and rain. Another one has a sun umbrella standing over part of it - and guess what...most cats lie in the sun on the hottest of days! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 5:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU I like the outdoor enclosure idea best! I am owrking on plans for my pride. Thinking about roofing half of it so they could be out when I am gone during the day. Then, if it rained or the sun was very hot, they could find shelter. Also, I could get a solar pump and put in a fountain in a small pool for them. Harley would especially love this! He loves water and comes in the shower with me. He has also watched me and learned how to flush the toilet so he can watch the water spin around. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Dear All Update on my Dilemma and numerous questions.. The little feral cat from my aunt's house is now safely in a large cage on my back deck. Phew! Forgotten Felines lent me the cage and advised that should be her transition place. She's mad as heck and won't look at me and hisses, but lets me clean the litter box, give her food and change the water. But this is only day 2. She seems to be healing from her tail amputation, and her hind leg wound/tumor (they aren't sure). My goal is to let her stay in my yard - not my favorite thing, but can work (birds: beware). I am open to finding her a home if she turns out to be friendly enough. I will Never take her to a shelter or give her away to anyone I don't know and can't check up on. She's had it tough enough already. I call her Hemy (sorta short for Himalayan?). She's half lot of things: she was already spayed; she is at least half Himalayan; she is half feral and half friendly; she has a little clef palate; she is blue-eyed and although looked awful with a damaged tail she is a 9 lb. 6 oz. beauty! If she ever forgives me for causing her this trauma, we may get to be friends! I am considering building a larger enclosure for her, and maybe could use it to give the indoor cats some time outside. And thank you all so much for your help! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
CHANGE IS HARD Every time a new cat comes in, everyone gets their nose out of joint. They hide, do a lot of hissing and slapping and get angry with me. They won't come near me and act like I am traitor. This goes on for a week or 2 and then all settle down. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Boy, I wish I could do this…but my aunt’s other cat, Princess (“Chirper” as I call her for her chirping meow) is in the spare room now. And the other cats go into the garage (their litter boxes are there and there is a cat door between house and attached garage). But good suggestion. It’s amazing, but my four other house cats “know” something is going on. And I just brought Princess over about a week ago. Yesterday I started moving some furniture (unrelated) and my one cat freaked out and hid in the garage for hours. I think change is hard on them…or maybe I’m projecting ;-) Thanks for the great suggestions! ~B. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kathryn mundell Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:20 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma Hi Bonnie, I would try to bring her over to your house, but not directly outside. Do you have a small room @ your house you can use for a few weeks? If so, you should keep her in there - with litter, food water a place to hide (large box with hole in it some towels will do just fine) while you get her accustomed to you as her new care giver. Go in there everyday to be with her - even if you don't touch her. Stay in there for at least a half-hour read something out loud (normal voice) so she can get used to hearing you. If you decide to name her - use her name over over when you go in to feed her. Praise her for being a smart strong kitty. etc. Then after a few weeks, leave her in the room, but with a screened window cracked open a bit, so she can get used to the new neighborhood smells from inside. That way, when you do finally let her out ( put her box outside too) she will already be familiar with the surroundings won't be so apt to bolt or run off. Good luck! It will be worth the time the effort!!! Kat (Mew Jersey) - Original Message - From: Bonnie Hogue Sent: 08/11/11 09:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday! Now I’m literally an hour away from needing to decide. The problem is that my aunt (who’s tame housecat I took) also had a “feral” living in her large yard. The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only source of food?). Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and excellent TNR organization. Guess what? She had already been spayed. That means some (fill in the blank nasty term) ‘person’ had just abandoned her! So here’s the dilemma: if I release her in my yard, she’s in a strange place. The only thing holding her near will be my good heart. If I take her back to my aunt’s house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows what will happen, where she will find food, and the next ‘trapper’ may not have as good a motivation as I do. I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat. But what would YOU do? Thanks for your thoughts. ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU
I used a 12x6x6 foot dog kennel with a topper attached to a bathroom window by ductwork and a pet door. Others have great outdoor areas available but this is fairly quick and, ifthe door is secured with a lock, pretty secure. On Aug 12, 2011, at 4:17 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I like the outdoor enclosure idea best! I am owrking on plans for my pride. Thinking about roofing half of it so they could be out when I am gone during the day. Then, if it rained or the sun was very hot, they could find shelter. Also, I could get a solar pump and put in a fountain in a small pool for them. Harley would especially love this! He loves water and comes in the shower with me. He has also watched me and learned how to flush the toilet so he can watch the water spin around. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Dear All Update on my Dilemma and numerous questions.. The little feral cat from my aunt's house is now safely in a large cage on my back deck. Phew! Forgotten Felines lent me the cage and advised that should be her transition place. She's mad as heck and won't look at me and hisses, but lets me clean the litter box, give her food and change the water. But this is only day 2. She seems to be healing from her tail amputation, and her hind leg wound/tumor (they aren't sure). My goal is to let her stay in my yard - not my favorite thing, but can work (birds: beware). I am open to finding her a home if she turns out to be friendly enough. I will Never take her to a shelter or give her away to anyone I don't know and can't check up on. She's had it tough enough already. I call her Hemy (sorta short for Himalayan?). She's half lot of things: she was already spayed; she is at least half Himalayan; she is half feral and half friendly; she has a little clef palate; she is blue-eyed and although looked awful with a damaged tail she is a 9 lb. 6 oz. beauty! If she ever forgives me for causing her this trauma, we may get to be friends! I am considering building a larger enclosure for her, and maybe could use it to give the indoor cats some time outside. And thank you all so much for your help! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU
On Aug 12, 2011, at 4:25 PM, MaiMaiPG wrote: Feral is a badge of honor to some of us. These cats are the best and the brightest. They have survived when all the odds were against them. My little guys are ferals and they have lived with me, travel with me, and owned me for over three yearssince they were 8 weeks old and came out of the pine thicket. One feral, the first to own me, lived in our homes for 16 years. He was born feral and died feral. It is almost a very special breed of cat although not a rare one. On Aug 12, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Beth wrote:. I pet sit for a feral cat. She was trapped released the lady re-released her at her new house when she moved. I would have to leave the front door open so she could sneak inside. She now runs up to my car begs to be picked up. Yet the woman still calls her feral, LOL. So Hemy may very well come around. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU Poor Hemy must be very upset; but the fact that she’s not lunging at you when you tend to her needs, proves that she’s not a true feral! An outdoor enclosure for your cats and Hemy (separated, and where she could live all the time) would be great – then you wouldn’t have to worry about her safety and the birds! But if she has a cleft palate, how is she managing to eat and survive? Good luck! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 12:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU Importance: High Dear All Update on my “Dilemma” and numerous “questions”…. The little “feral” cat from my aunt’s house is now safely in a large cage on my back deck. Phew! Forgotten Felines lent me the cage and advised that ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Testing the list on the new host
From one who is not up on all this techno stuff, thank you for taking care of me. James G Wilson phaed...@charter.net wrote: Hello everyone, I am testing the list now that we have moved to a new webhosting service. Sorry for the interruption here. I am hoping that I have everything set up correctly now. If you still have any problems/questions/etc., please feel free to contact me privately. Best wishes to everyone! James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (Weather for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
When I got Lil Bit and Casey, PALS gve them to me at a 2 for 1 price. They had had them for over a year and wanted them to go to a home instead of the cage. They normally charge $150.00 per cat, complete with all the testing, shots and neuter/spay. They do not let any out withot being neutered o spayed. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Kelley, Do you also work/volunteer for a cat rescue group? I wonder how many in this group do...it would be interesting to know. The price you quoted, for 2 cats, sounds darn reasonable...it would be a lot more here on the East Coast (even with a 50% discount). I co-founded and operate ARA (Animal Rights Alliance) Project Save-A-Cat. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 3:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question We just spent $270 getting TWO cats ready for adoption, which for us includes combo test, FELV vaccine, FVRCP vaccine, rabies, microchip, exam - and our vet is cut rate. One needs a dental which will cost more. We will adopt them out for $75 each. That is a lot more than fried chicken and a couple of hamburgers. I have spent thousands of dollars of my personal money when the rescue had none. That doesn't include, of course, any sick cats we take in. That is just for the basic adoption workup (except for the dental). On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:35 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: But, it costsmoney. I can see they reasoning , in a way. Shelters usually operate on a shoestring and are pushing thei limits just keeping animals fed and sheltered. If it was me, I would do without fried chicken nd a couple of hamburgers and get them tested. Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote: It's not uncommon in Kentucky for shelters/rescues to just vaccinate the cat instead of testing them. Lately, all I have done is fight to get them to test the animals. Apparently it costs too much - but I think the cost is worth saving other cats from getting exposed to FeLV. I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't cause the test to come out positive, so you should get a fairly accurate reading. Then go ahead and get everyone fully vaccinated against FeLV, just in case =^_^= On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: I think I would definitely get Peaches tested. If all your cats are indoors only they really don't need to be vaccinated against FeLV. Only if there's a chance they could get it. But if you're not letting them out and you're not fostering other cats then there's no risk of exposure to the virus so no real need for a vaccination. If all your other cats have been tested and are negative also then Peaches wouldn't need the vaccination either. So as long as her combo test is negative, then you really don't need to worry about Nibbles. It's totally up to you though. Just my thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is positive definitely get Nibbles up to speed. And I think he does need to do the series of two shots over again if you decide to get him current like Lynda said. Thanks for giving Peaches a home. And kick that other lady in the butt for kicking Peaches out of the house just because she had a baby. Maureen sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC - Reply message - From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:52 am Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant apartment. Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat. They took Peaches to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed. I don't know why the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her first. They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had a baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore. That's how Peaches came to live here. I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead and give Nibbles vaccinations. I'll let you know what the vet says. Thanks for all your help!! It has been hard to get information about what to do. On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the first shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it to be effective. It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would. I would keep her
Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds
Maybe his immune system had improved since he first got FIV so he was abl to ward off the felv. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: That's one for the booksamazing! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of molvey...@hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 8:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds Check this out - I have an FIV positive cat living with me. He's an older gentleman that I took in a couple of years ago. In March a two year old cat of mine died and that's when we discovered she had FeLV. She tested negative as a kitten. She and my FIV positive kitty lived together sharing food and water bowls and everything. I think he used to groom her too when she was a kitten. I had him, the FIV kitty, combo tested yesterday. Can you believe that booger is negative for FeLV? Talk about defying the odds. Doesn't make sense that an immune compromised kitty did not contract the disease. You can't predict anything regarding this disease. I just assumed he had gotten it from her. Just wanted to share my good but very confusing news. sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Saving bees
I put rocks in them to begin with, but so many bees were coming to the sugar water, that they ran out of landing places. Afterwards, I dould out that neighbor got 8 hives so he cold sell the honey. Seems I am feeding his bees. MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: You aren't nutstry putting clean rocks in the sauces so they don't fall in or, if they do, can get out. On Aug 6, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Lorrie wrote: No you aren't nuts... That's a very kind thing to do... Honey bees are having a difficult time surviving due to pesticides and the tracheal mite that can kill entire hives. We've got some very kind hearted people in this group.. People here seem to regard all life as worthwhile regardless of whether it's a pet or another little creature who also wants to live. Lorrie On 08-06, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I put out saucers of sugar water for the bees and wasps so they will leave the hummingbird feeders alone. They were so crowded that some were landing on top of others, pushing them into the water. They were drowning so I scooped them out on my fingers and spred them out on the deck railing. I went into the house for paper towels to absorb some of the water. When I got back out, others were licking it off the others and cleaning their wings so the could fly. Only lost 5 out of 50. I know, I am nuts, but honeybees are having a hard time these days and we need them to pollinate our plants. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds
I think it's just that Cotton will not die until he's good and ready!!! He's a mess. Can't remember if I said this before or not, I think I did, but he only has one eye, two teeth, and feline asthma (and of course FIV). This old lady that had him loved him but had a housefull and never took any of them to the vet. So, he's definitely a survivor. When he first came to live with me he was the man and put all my cats on the run. Never fought, just gave them the one evil eye and they'd hiss and run. My husband used to laugh and say that all they had to do was come at him from the left where is bad eye is and take him out and he wouldn't see it coming. He's mellowed out a lot since then but not too many will take him on even today. A few still see him and run when he comes near. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:04:43 -0500 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds Maybe his immune system had improved since he first got FIV so he was abl to ward off the felv. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: That's one for the booksamazing! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of molvey...@hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 8:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds Check this out - I have an FIV positive cat living with me. He's an older gentleman that I took in a couple of years ago. In March a two year old cat of mine died and that's when we discovered she had FeLV. She tested negative as a kitten. She and my FIV positive kitty lived together sharing food and water bowls and everything. I think he used to groom her too when she was a kitten. I had him, the FIV kitty, combo tested yesterday. Can you believe that booger is negative for FeLV? Talk about defying the odds. Doesn't make sense that an immune compromised kitty did not contract the disease. You can't predict anything regarding this disease. I just assumed he had gotten it from her. Just wanted to share my good but very confusing news. sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds
My Casey sonds like him in the personalilty at least. She walks up to the others and stares at them. They hiss and run and I swear she gets a cheshire cat grin on her face. She also stalks them, but seems to get her kicks just staring them down. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: I think it's just that Cotton will not die until he's good and ready!!! He's a mess. Can't remember if I said this before or not, I think I did, but he only has one eye, two teeth, and feline asthma (and of course FIV). This old lady that had him loved him but had a housefull and never took any of them to the vet. So, he's definitely a survivor. When he first came to live with me he was the man and put all my cats on the run. Never fought, just gave them the one evil eye and they'd hiss and run. My husband used to laugh and say that all they had to do was come at him from the left where is bad eye is and take him out and he wouldn't see it coming. He's mellowed out a lot since then but not too many will take him on even today. A few still see him and run when he comes near. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:04:43 -0500 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds Maybe his immune system had improved since he first got FIV so he was abl to ward off the felv. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: That's one for the booksamazing! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of molvey...@hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 8:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds Check this out - I have an FIV positive cat living with me. He's an older gentleman that I took in a couple of years ago. In March a two year old cat of mine died and that's when we discovered she had FeLV. She tested negative as a kitten. She and my FIV positive kitty lived together sharing food and water bowls and everything. I think he used to groom her too when she was a kitten. I had him, the FIV kitty, combo tested yesterday. Can you believe that booger is negative for FeLV? Talk about defying the odds. Doesn't make sense that an immune compromised kitty did not contract the disease. You can't predict anything regarding this disease. I just assumed he had gotten it from her. Just wanted to share my good but very confusing news. sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds
LOL - I swear cats can be so funny. They know how to drive each other crazy.
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:21:20 -0500
From: dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds
CC: molvey...@hotmail.com
My Casey sonds like him in the personalilty at least. She walks up to the
others and stares at them. They hiss and run and I swear she gets a cheshire
cat grin on her face. She also stalks them, but seems to get her kicks just
staring them down.
Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:
I think it's just that Cotton will not die until he's good and ready!!!
He's a mess. Can't remember if I said this before or not, I think I did,
but he only has one eye, two teeth, and feline asthma (and of course FIV).
This old lady that had him loved him but had a housefull and never took any
of them to the vet. So, he's definitely a survivor. When he first came to
live with me he was the man and put all my cats on the run. Never fought,
just gave them the one evil eye and they'd hiss and run. My husband used to
laugh and say that all they had to do was come at him from the left where
is bad eye is and take him out and he wouldn't see it coming. He's mellowed
out a lot since then but not too many will take him on even today. A few
still see him and run when he comes near.
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
Twain
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:04:43 -0500
From: dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds
Maybe his immune system had improved since he first got FIV so he was abl
to ward off the felv.
Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
That's one for the booksamazing!
-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
molvey...@hotmail.com
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 8:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds
Check this out - I have an FIV positive cat living with me. He's an
older
gentleman that I took in a couple of years ago. In March a two year old
cat
of mine died and that's when we discovered she had FeLV. She tested
negative as a kitten. She and my FIV positive kitty lived together
sharing
food and water bowls and everything. I think he used to groom her too
when
she was a kitten. I had him, the FIV kitty, combo tested yesterday. Can
you believe that booger is negative for FeLV? Talk about defying the
odds.
Doesn't make sense that an immune compromised kitty did not contract the
disease. You can't predict anything regarding this disease. I just
assumed
he had gotten it from her.
Just wanted to share my good but very confusing news.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?
OK this is a bit off te subject, but as I am going thru my emails, Dee is on my desk rubbing against everything and knocking it over. Is it simply to get my attention or does she have other reasons ? Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: http://www.catster.com/cats-101/does-owning-a-cat-make-you-sexier No, we're NOT a bunch of little old ladies in tennis shoes... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
Around here, they know that eventually, they must get along, and they DO. They may not all be bosom buddies, but they respect one another's turf! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 5:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma CHANGE IS HARD Every time a new cat comes in, everyone gets their nose out of joint. They hide, do a lot of hissing and slapping and get angry with me. They won't come near me and act like I am traitor. This goes on for a week or 2 and then all settle down. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Boy, I wish I could do this…but my aunt’s other cat, Princess (“Chirper” as I call her for her chirping meow) is in the spare room now. And the other cats go into the garage (their litter boxes are there and there is a cat door between house and attached garage). But good suggestion. It’s amazing, but my four other house cats “know” something is going on. And I just brought Princess over about a week ago. Yesterday I started moving some furniture (unrelated) and my one cat freaked out and hid in the garage for hours. I think change is hard on them…or maybe I’m projecting ;-) Thanks for the great suggestions! ~B. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kathryn mundell Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:20 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma Hi Bonnie, I would try to bring her over to your house, but not directly outside. Do you have a small room @ your house you can use for a few weeks? If so, you should keep her in there - with litter, food water a place to hide (large box with hole in it some towels will do just fine) while you get her accustomed to you as her new care giver. Go in there everyday to be with her - even if you don't touch her. Stay in there for at least a half-hour read something out loud (normal voice) so she can get used to hearing you. If you decide to name her - use her name over over when you go in to feed her. Praise her for being a smart strong kitty. etc. Then after a few weeks, leave her in the room, but with a screened window cracked open a bit, so she can get used to the new neighborhood smells from inside. That way, when you do finally let her out ( put her box outside too) she will already be familiar with the surroundings won't be so apt to bolt or run off. Good luck! It will be worth the time the effort!!! Kat (Mew Jersey) - Original Message - From: Bonnie Hogue Sent: 08/11/11 09:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday! Now I’m literally an hour away from needing to decide. The problem is that my aunt (who’s tame housecat I took) also had a “feral” living in her large yard. The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only source of food?). Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and excellent TNR organization. Guess what? She had already been spayed. That means some (fill in the blank nasty term) ‘person’ had just abandoned her! So here’s the dilemma: if I release her in my yard, she’s in a strange place. The only thing holding her near will be my good heart. If I take her back to my aunt’s house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows what will happen, where she will find food, and the next ‘trapper’ may not have as good a motivation as I do. I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat. But what would YOU do? Thanks for your thoughts. ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
I guess I am trying to say you can hold them inside a lot longer than estimated. I've had them in for 3-4 months. The thing is to build a relationship with them during that period. They see you with the food. I handle all the dry food with my hands so there is my odor. Etc. I like Feliway when they are in confined. Because she won't be released into a known area, developing that relationship is very important. Frankly, I have been very concerned moving or traveling with cats but have been successful in both several times. Ebony, a feral--ok all my guys/gals have been feral--went out on a leash for cats for a long time when we moved so he could learn where he was. The leash got longer and longer and...but he knew where he was. The boys I have now travel around in a carriage so they get a sense of home--it has paid off when ..left a door unlocked and Copper took unauthorized walk-abouts. Now they are familiar with lots of scents on the farm...they go for mile walks when the weather permits. All of this is to say that, with a lot of love and patience, you can do this. Frankly, I like the enclosed area. I did this for Ebony and Mi Tu then repeated it on the farm for Dixie. Now I want to replact it for the boys by way of a screened in porch...and a reenforced screened area for the ones I will bring over if Mom leaves this world before they do..care is a lifetime commitment. On Aug 12, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Natalie wrote: The one concern is that Hemy is NOT being released in her own territory and if she doesn’t get used to Bonnie and her yard, may start searching for the old area. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but... On that, I have had a few ferals that were held inside after vet treatment for various reasons: weather (very hot or cold etc), dangers (size and age of cat and the presents of packs of dogs, hawks etc) healing time + adjust time (they were returning to their own group), and just because of numerous other concerns. None of them have ever forgotten their nature. These ferals live at my Mom's but I am the primary servant. Mom's concerns have to be addressed. This is my experience only. On Aug 11, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a couple of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home is, and hopefully stay around. Course this depends on your having the right weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection, etc. You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who will do the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she learns where home is. I gather they didn't eartip to show that kitty was altered, unfortunately. Good luck with your kitty - Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds
I just do not believe that FELV is that contagious. We know FIV isn't that contagious except thru deep bite wounds. I kind of think it's the same thing with FELV. I've had the same thing happen - had a kitty die, had a necropsy, and she had FELV/FIV. None of the other cats got it. I knew she was FIV, but didn't know about the FELV. Lived several years with those cats. Gloria dlgegg at windstream.net dlgegg at windstream.net Fri Aug 12 17:04:43 CDT 2011 Maybe his immune system had improved since he first got FIV so he was abl to ward off the felv. Natalie atia2 at optonline.net wrote: That's one for the booksamazing! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of molveywda at hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 8:33 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds Check this out - I have an FIV positive cat living with me. He's an older gentleman that I took in a couple of years ago. In March a two year old cat of mine died and that's when we discovered she had FeLV. She tested negative as a kitten. She and my FIV positive kitty lived together sharing food and water bowls and everything. I think he used to groom her too when she was a kitten. I had him, the FIV kitty, combo tested yesterday. Can you believe that booger is negative for FeLV? Talk about defying the odds. Doesn't make sense that an immune compromised kitty did not contract the disease. You can't predict anything regarding this disease. I just assumed he had gotten it from her. Just wanted to share my good but very confusing news. sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC ___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
Thanks, Gloria. I guess regular vets don't clip the ear because people would freak out about how their cat looks. Forgotten Felines, our local TNR organization (filled with Angels, by the way) did clip her ear. She's now on my porch (we're having a cool summer, oddly enough) and seems okay. I am beginning to really like her. Tonight I sat out in the beautiful, nearly full moon evening, drinking a beer and singing to her (I make up a song for all my cats -- this one was about how Hemy had a hard life but came through alright anyway and now things are better). I'll feel better is she won't shun me -- right now she turns her back on me or hisses, letting me know just how mad she is about this whole thing. Poor darling! Tonight I tried to buy her love with canned food. We'll see how that goes! ~B. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a couple of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home is, and hopefully stay around. Course this depends on your having the right weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection, etc. You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who will do the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she learns where home is. I gather they didn't eartip to show that kitty was altered, unfortunately. Good luck with your kitty - Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
