Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
It's not specifically for animals, it's for all of us...anytimne you take antibiotics, you must restore the friendly flora in your digestive system. You can buy it at supermarkets, CVS, pharmacies...they're either under acidophilus or with millions of bacteria, probiotics. Now, they even market prebiotics. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 1:35 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats How and where to get acidophilus for animals?!? I have milk for humans with it...lol Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:04:43 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats I have never had good luck with FortiFlora; I think that it's just another way of selling something for more instead of getting it cheaper. With acidophilus, you don't even have to measure out a dosage, whatever you give, will be fine. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats I've tried forti flora... Give him half a packet a day, bc he's only 4lbs. No difference. Just started that 4 days ago tho... Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 21:55:03 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats I think probiotics will also help. They will help diarrhea and also will replenish good bacteria in the gut. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 11, 2011, at 8:09 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: When Homey (6 years) had a URL, Dr. R gave hr an antibiotic sot that lasts for 2 weeks. She has had 2 bouts and each tmeit works. Better than trying to give her a pill or liqud each day. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Seems like I heard that kittens should be retested at 6 months. Not sure though. Many kittens have URI and coccidia, which is usually what Albon is for. I've had some people tell me that their cats went months before they actually had a solid poop. That could be from anything. So if the Albon doesn't help don't be too worried, just keep trying things. It could be the food, other parasites just so many things. Have to be careful about diarrhea because it's easy for kittens to get dehydrated. So make sure it's getting enough water and let the vet show you how to tell if they're dehydrated by pulling up the skin to test the elasticity. If the URI doesn't get better after a couple rounds of Clavamox ask for a stronger antibiotic. I don't think vets like to give too strong an antibiotic to a kitten but you do have to get rid of the URI so sometimes there's nothing else to do. Also antibiotics are notorious for giving cats diarrhea. With any FeLV kitty you have to be worried about each thing that they battle so I don't know about the prognosis. I wouldn't think those things would be too much more serious for a FeLV kitten than any other kitten but I don't know for sure. If the clavamox is helping then that's a good sign. So many kittens have lived longer than the expected 3.5 years so you never know how long the kitten will live. It seems to be a coin toss. But, there are so many things out there to help the immune system deal with whatever FeLV throws their way so keep that in mind and be positive. Maybe someone else has more specific advise on supplements or anything else to help the kitten get over it's health problems right now. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:28:46 -0700 From: ccarlsb...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Can someone please give me some advice on the 8 week old kitty I rescued from the shelter? IFA and ELISA + FELV. What do you all think about that prognosis?? He is on Clavamax for URI, which is slightly improving, still very sneezy-snotty, Albon, Metrodione (?) for diarrhea, which has not improved, and also L-Lysine/Duralactin
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers. No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they think of as sport! I love it when I read in the paper about hunting accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the deer!! Lorrie On 09-12, Natalie wrote: What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to themselves, and are referred to as the only real conservationists...what a joke! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
I don't like the idea of hunting for sport either. Makes me sick. I have less of a problem with the ones who eat what they killbut still. I'd rather be a vegetarian than kill for meat any day. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Lorriemailto:felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers. No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they think of as sport! I love it when I read in the paper about hunting accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the deer!! Lorrie On 09-12, Natalie wrote: What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to themselves, and are referred to as the only real conservationists...what a joke! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
Welcome to my kinda club! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers. No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they think of as sport! I love it when I read in the paper about hunting accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the deer!! Lorrie On 09-12, Natalie wrote: What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to themselves, and are referred to as the only real conservationists...what a joke! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
General info on TYLAN powder: http://www.ehow.com/facts_5585296_tylan-powder.html - available in large containers, more suitable for a vet. My vet always gives me small amounts, because you don't need a lot of it. Meant originally for large farm animals, it has off-label uses. Tylan is sometimes prescribed for off-label uses such as a treatment for gastrointestinal problems in small animals, such as cats and dogs, and as a growth-promoting food additive. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:10 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Tried liquid Metronidazole - RX from vet--- didn't help. Were 4 days into .5 packet of forti-flora and no difference. Maybe try the full packet? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:54:02 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Try some acidophilus in the food (probiotics), and it will help. If the cat likes dairy, try some plain yogurt (good brand that contains real acidophilus), or have your vet give you some Metronidazole - 1/4 pill 2x day. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Thanks for the info. Now he is only on Clavamox (.3ml 2x a day) and sneezing is way better when he takes it. Nothing helping diarrhea tho. :( his disposition is great: eats a ton and is super playful. He's growing as well. I have him with a foster til his 13 week ELISA test again. I want IFA again too.. Considering all the false +s I hear of. Still very young to know for sure tho... Either way, he needs a new home come october. :( Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:09:45 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats When Homey (6 years) had a URL, Dr. R gave hr an antibiotic sot that lasts for 2 weeks. She has had 2 bouts and each tmeit works. Better than trying to give her a pill or liqud each day. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Seems like I heard that kittens should be retested at 6 months. Not sure though. Many kittens have URI and coccidia, which is usually what Albon is for. I've had some people tell me that their cats went months before they actually had a solid poop. That could be from anything. So if the Albon doesn't help don't be too worried, just keep trying things. It could be the food, other parasites just so many things. Have to be careful about diarrhea because it's easy for kittens to get dehydrated. So make sure it's getting enough water and let the vet show you how to tell if they're dehydrated by pulling up the skin to test the elasticity. If the URI doesn't get better after a couple rounds of Clavamox ask for a stronger antibiotic. I don't think vets like to give too strong an antibiotic to a kitten but you do have to get rid of the URI so sometimes there's nothing else to do. Also antibiotics are notorious for giving cats diarrhea. With any FeLV kitty you have to be worried about each thing that they battle so I don't know about the prognosis. I wouldn't think those things would be too much more serious for a FeLV kitten than any other kitten but I don't know for sure. If the clavamox is helping then that's a good sign. So many kittens have lived longer than the expected 3.5 years so you never know how long the kitten will live. It seems to be a coin toss. But, there are so many things out there to help the immune system deal with whatever FeLV throws their way so keep that in mind and be positive. Maybe someone else has more specific advise on supplements or anything else to help the kitten get over it's health problems right now. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:28:46 -0700 From: ccarlsb...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Can someone please give me some advice on the 8 week old kitty I rescued from the shelter? IFA and ELISA + FELV. What do you
Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
Thank u soo much! I will ask the vet. :) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:09:30 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats General info on TYLAN powder: http://www.ehow.com/facts_5585296_tylan-powder.html - available in large containers, more suitable for a vet. My vet always gives me small amounts, because you don't need a lot of it. Meant originally for large farm animals, it has off-label uses. Tylan is sometimes prescribed for off-label uses such as a treatment for gastrointestinal problems in small animals, such as cats and dogs, and as a growth-promoting food additive. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:10 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Tried liquid Metronidazole - RX from vet--- didn't help. Were 4 days into .5 packet of forti-flora and no difference. Maybe try the full packet? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:54:02 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Try some acidophilus in the food (probiotics), and it will help. If the cat likes dairy, try some plain yogurt (good brand that contains real acidophilus), or have your vet give you some Metronidazole - 1/4 pill 2x day. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Thanks for the info. Now he is only on Clavamox (.3ml 2x a day) and sneezing is way better when he takes it. Nothing helping diarrhea tho. :( his disposition is great: eats a ton and is super playful. He's growing as well. I have him with a foster til his 13 week ELISA test again. I want IFA again too.. Considering all the false +s I hear of. Still very young to know for sure tho... Either way, he needs a new home come october. :( Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:09:45 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats When Homey (6 years) had a URL, Dr. R gave hr an antibiotic sot that lasts for 2 weeks. She has had 2 bouts and each tmeit works. Better than trying to give her a pill or liqud each day. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Seems like I heard that kittens should be retested at 6 months. Not sure though. Many kittens have URI and coccidia, which is usually what Albon is for. I've had some people tell me that their cats went months before they actually had a solid poop. That could be from anything. So if the Albon doesn't help don't be too worried, just keep trying things. It could be the food, other parasites just so many things. Have to be careful about diarrhea because it's easy for kittens to get dehydrated. So make sure it's getting enough water and let the vet show you how to tell if they're dehydrated by pulling up the skin to test the elasticity. If the URI doesn't get better after a couple rounds of Clavamox ask for a stronger antibiotic. I don't think vets like to give too strong an antibiotic to a kitten but you do have to get rid of the URI so sometimes there's nothing else to do. Also antibiotics are notorious for giving cats diarrhea. With any FeLV kitty you have to be worried about each thing that they battle so I don't know about the prognosis. I wouldn't think those things would be too much more serious for a FeLV kitten than any other kitten but I don't know for sure. If the clavamox is helping then that's a good sign. So many kittens have lived longer than the expected 3.5 years so you never know how long the kitten will live. It seems to be a coin toss. But, there are so many things out there to help the immune system deal with whatever FeLV throws their way so keep that in mind and be positive. Maybe someone else has more specific advise on supplements or anything else to help the kitten get over it's health problems right now. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of
Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
You can order Benebac pet gel from the net. They have one for dogs and one for cats now. The cat one does not have lactobacillus in it. Also, New Chapter makes wonderful probiotics. Iherb carries them and a lot of other health food sites. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 12, 2011, at 12:34 AM, ccarlsb...@gmail.com wrote: How and where to get acidophilus for animals?!? I have milk for humans with it...lol Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:04:43 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats I have never had good luck with FortiFlora; I think that it's just another way of selling something for more instead of getting it cheaper. With acidophilus, you don't even have to measure out a dosage, whatever you give, will be fine. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats I've tried forti flora... Give him half a packet a day, bc he's only 4lbs. No difference. Just started that 4 days ago tho... Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 21:55:03 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats I think probiotics will also help. They will help diarrhea and also will replenish good bacteria in the gut. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 11, 2011, at 8:09 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: When Homey (6 years) had a URL, Dr. R gave hr an antibiotic sot that lasts for 2 weeks. She has had 2 bouts and each tmeit works. Better than trying to give her a pill or liqud each day. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Seems like I heard that kittens should be retested at 6 months. Not sure though. Many kittens have URI and coccidia, which is usually what Albon is for. I've had some people tell me that their cats went months before they actually had a solid poop. That could be from anything. So if the Albon doesn't help don't be too worried, just keep trying things. It could be the food, other parasites just so many things. Have to be careful about diarrhea because it's easy for kittens to get dehydrated. So make sure it's getting enough water and let the vet show you how to tell if they're dehydrated by pulling up the skin to test the elasticity. If the URI doesn't get better after a couple rounds of Clavamox ask for a stronger antibiotic. I don't think vets like to give too strong an antibiotic to a kitten but you do have to get rid of the URI so sometimes there's nothing else to do. Also antibiotics are notorious for giving cats diarrhea. With any FeLV kitty you have to be worried about each thing that they battle so I don't know about the prognosis. I wouldn't think those things would be too much more serious for a FeLV kitten than any other kitten but I don't know for sure. If the clavamox is helping then that's a good sign. So many kittens have lived longer than the expected 3.5 years so you never know how long the kitten will live. It seems to be a coin toss. But, there are so many things out there to help the immune system deal with whatever FeLV throws their way so keep that in mind and be positive. Maybe someone else has more specific advise on supplements or anything else to help the kitten get over it's health problems right now. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:28:46 -0700 From: ccarlsb...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Can someone please give me some advice on the 8 week old kitty I rescued from the shelter? IFA and ELISA + FELV. What do you all think about that prognosis?? He is on Clavamax for URI, which is slightly improving, still very sneezy-snotty, Albon, Metrodione (?) for diarrhea, which has not improved, and also L-Lysine/Duralactin gel. When should I re-test? On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 8:59 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I think itis time to retest Annie and Nitnoy with the IFA and
Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
I also sent you more info privately because this group has size limitations. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Thank u soo much! I will ask the vet. :) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:09:30 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats General info on TYLAN powder: http://www.ehow.com/facts_5585296_tylan-powder.html - available in large containers, more suitable for a vet. My vet always gives me small amounts, because you don't need a lot of it. Meant originally for large farm animals, it has off-label uses. Tylan is sometimes prescribed for off-label uses such as a treatment for gastrointestinal problems in small animals, such as cats and dogs, and as a growth-promoting food additive. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:10 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Tried liquid Metronidazole - RX from vet--- didn't help. Were 4 days into .5 packet of forti-flora and no difference. Maybe try the full packet? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:54:02 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Try some acidophilus in the food (probiotics), and it will help. If the cat likes dairy, try some plain yogurt (good brand that contains real acidophilus), or have your vet give you some Metronidazole - 1/4 pill 2x day. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Thanks for the info. Now he is only on Clavamox (.3ml 2x a day) and sneezing is way better when he takes it. Nothing helping diarrhea tho. :( his disposition is great: eats a ton and is super playful. He's growing as well. I have him with a foster til his 13 week ELISA test again. I want IFA again too.. Considering all the false +s I hear of. Still very young to know for sure tho... Either way, he needs a new home come october. :( Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:09:45 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats When Homey (6 years) had a URL, Dr. R gave hr an antibiotic sot that lasts for 2 weeks. She has had 2 bouts and each tmeit works. Better than trying to give her a pill or liqud each day. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Seems like I heard that kittens should be retested at 6 months. Not sure though. Many kittens have URI and coccidia, which is usually what Albon is for. I've had some people tell me that their cats went months before they actually had a solid poop. That could be from anything. So if the Albon doesn't help don't be too worried, just keep trying things. It could be the food, other parasites just so many things. Have to be careful about diarrhea because it's easy for kittens to get dehydrated. So make sure it's getting enough water and let the vet show you how to tell if they're dehydrated by pulling up the skin to test the elasticity. If the URI doesn't get better after a couple rounds of Clavamox ask for a stronger antibiotic. I don't think vets like to give too strong an antibiotic to a kitten but you do have to get rid of the URI so sometimes there's nothing else to do. Also antibiotics are notorious for giving cats diarrhea. With any FeLV kitty you have to be worried about each thing that they battle so I don't know about the prognosis. I wouldn't think those things would be too much more serious for a FeLV kitten than any other kitten but I don't know for sure. If the clavamox is helping then that's a good sign. So many kittens have lived longer than the expected 3.5 years so you never know how long the kitten will live. It seems to be a coin toss. But, there are so many things out there to help the immune system deal with whatever FeLV throws their way so keep that in mind and be positive. Maybe someone else has more specific
Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
Hmm... May have gotten spammed... Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:55:42 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats I also sent you more info privately because this group has size limitations. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Thank u soo much! I will ask the vet. :) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:09:30 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats General info on TYLAN powder: http://www.ehow.com/facts_5585296_tylan-powder.html - available in large containers, more suitable for a vet. My vet always gives me small amounts, because you don't need a lot of it. Meant originally for large farm animals, it has off-label uses. Tylan is sometimes prescribed for off-label uses such as a treatment for gastrointestinal problems in small animals, such as cats and dogs, and as a growth-promoting food additive. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:10 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Tried liquid Metronidazole - RX from vet--- didn't help. Were 4 days into .5 packet of forti-flora and no difference. Maybe try the full packet? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 23:54:02 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Try some acidophilus in the food (probiotics), and it will help. If the cat likes dairy, try some plain yogurt (good brand that contains real acidophilus), or have your vet give you some Metronidazole - 1/4 pill 2x day. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ccarlsb...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats Thanks for the info. Now he is only on Clavamox (.3ml 2x a day) and sneezing is way better when he takes it. Nothing helping diarrhea tho. :( his disposition is great: eats a ton and is super playful. He's growing as well. I have him with a foster til his 13 week ELISA test again. I want IFA again too.. Considering all the false +s I hear of. Still very young to know for sure tho... Either way, he needs a new home come october. :( Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:09:45 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats When Homey (6 years) had a URL, Dr. R gave hr an antibiotic sot that lasts for 2 weeks. She has had 2 bouts and each tmeit works. Better than trying to give her a pill or liqud each day. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Seems like I heard that kittens should be retested at 6 months. Not sure though. Many kittens have URI and coccidia, which is usually what Albon is for. I've had some people tell me that their cats went months before they actually had a solid poop. That could be from anything. So if the Albon doesn't help don't be too worried, just keep trying things. It could be the food, other parasites just so many things. Have to be careful about diarrhea because it's easy for kittens to get dehydrated. So make sure it's getting enough water and let the vet show you how to tell if they're dehydrated by pulling up the skin to test the elasticity. If the URI doesn't get better after a couple rounds of Clavamox ask for a stronger antibiotic. I don't think vets like to give too strong an antibiotic to a kitten but you do have to get rid of the URI so sometimes there's nothing else to do. Also antibiotics are notorious for giving cats diarrhea. With any FeLV kitty you have to be worried about each thing that they battle so I don't know about the prognosis. I wouldn't think those things would be too much more serious for a FeLV kitten than any other kitten but I don't know for sure. If the clavamox is helping then that's a good sign. So
Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
Around here, they are just good ole boys having some fun and since most are good ole boys, like doctors they all stick together and nevr point the finger at one of our own. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Emus? Where do you live? What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to themselves, and are referred to as the only real conservationists...what a joke! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 10:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! Anyone who would even think about messing with one of my animals, will be one sorry SOB. A couple years ago someone shot two of my emus. Just for the he'll of it. A male sitting on eggs,and a little female that I was nursing back to health. Broke my heart. Offered reward, never found out who did it. People drunk, shooting from the road. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 11, 2011, at 7:49 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Yes, around here cats and dogs provide good practice shots just before the season. Someone said they were going to come to my house for some practice shots. I told them I would shoot them the minute they tried t shoot my cats. Of course they said they were just kidding and I said that had better be the truth because if one of my cats nded up shot, I wold come looking for them and after I shot them I would sue them for all I could get. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I think it's as usual, protests from veterinarians (who have no business being vets) because it provides a good income! Why do Hunting groups object to spaying and neutering? Why is there a push by the government and supported by hunting groups, to eliminate all stray cats by trapping, bowhunting, firearm hunting? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I took a look at the list of countries that do not allow declawing. Why is the US always behind in this sort of issue? Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: I'm from the Netherlands. Its illegal to declaw there. People who want to have it done anyway will bring them to Belgium to have it done. :-/ On Aug 29, 2011 12:25 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them about declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they adopt an already declawed cat. I don't agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will just end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think education is the best way to get people away from declawing. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat. I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip the cat's nails. She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter. She is allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that. Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground! - even if it did cost you an apt. and job. Good kharma will be the pay off for you! Tamara --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM A question about which states do NOT allow declawing: http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm A list of countries where declawing is illegal: http://www.declawing.com/list.html From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Paws come with claws. Period. I once lost a job
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
I would have to be very hungry before I could look into those big brown eyes and then pull the trigger. Haveto make it on berries. Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote: I don't like the idea of hunting for sport either. Makes me sick. I have less of a problem with the ones who eat what they killbut still. I'd rather be a vegetarian than kill for meat any day. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Lorriemailto:felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers. No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they think of as sport! I love it when I read in the paper about hunting accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the deer!! Lorrie On 09-12, Natalie wrote: What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to themselves, and are referred to as the only real conservationists...what a joke! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
Yupbut feel a lot better about hunters who kill for food than for factory farmers. On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:07 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I would have to be very hungry before I could look into those big brown eyes and then pull the trigger. Haveto make it on berries. Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote: I don't like the idea of hunting for sport either. Makes me sick. I have less of a problem with the ones who eat what they killbut still. I'd rather be a vegetarian than kill for meat any day. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Lorriemailto:felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers. No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they think of as sport! I love it when I read in the paper about hunting accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the deer!! Lorrie On 09-12, Natalie wrote: What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to themselves, and are referred to as the only real conservationists...what a joke! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
I agree, lots of the guys around here eat the deer and turkey o whtever they get. Daniel Boone and other frontiersmen did too. But the guy who goes out o get a big rack to hang o the wall deserves a swift kick i the ---. MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Yupbut feel a lot better about hunters who kill for food than for factory farmers. On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:07 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I would have to be very hungry before I could look into those big brown eyes and then pull the trigger. Haveto make it on berries. Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote: I don't like the idea of hunting for sport either. Makes me sick. I have less of a problem with the ones who eat what they killbut still. I'd rather be a vegetarian than kill for meat any day. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Lorriemailto:felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers. No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they think of as sport! I love it when I read in the paper about hunting accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the deer!! Lorrie On 09-12, Natalie wrote: What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to themselves, and are referred to as the only real conservationists...what a joke! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] BreAnne left today
hopefully to meet ToriRose and Isaac at the Bridge. The local vet's euthanisia was really ugly. It happens. ( I thought it would be easier for her rather than riding for 45 minutes). The local vet was no stranger to her. She had had fluids the previous 3 Saturdays. Our usual vet was not able to give her as much fluids Saturday because of her breathing. I came home and let her out and she disappeared into the woods, coming back when it got dark. I put her on the patio to rest Sunday morning. She lay there awhile and left and again returned in the darkness as I trusted she would though I began calling her in midafternoon. Mama (no relation to her) washed her last night. Physically, it was time. You had counseled me that I would know. Some of you know a rough translation of a Rumi poem Whoever brought me to the tavern will have to take me home. BreAnne was an alpha female - - just over 2 years old. Her playmate ToriRose left in February 2010. Isaac left in February 2011. She got really thin last fall and then rebounded. You helped me with her this spring when she quit eating and then decided to eat only Fancy Feast beef. She rebounded in July. will leave it there. Remaining positives are Mama and Luscious and Shallie Jean and Hope. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today
I am so sorry about BreAnne- Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 5:56 PM To: feline leukemia list Subject: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today hopefully to meet ToriRose and Isaac at the Bridge. The local vet's euthanisia was really ugly. It happens. ( I thought it would be easier for her rather than riding for 45 minutes). The local vet was no stranger to her. She had had fluids the previous 3 Saturdays. Our usual vet was not able to give her as much fluids Saturday because of her breathing. I came home and let her out and she disappeared into the woods, coming back when it got dark. I put her on the patio to rest Sunday morning. She lay there awhile and left and again returned in the darkness as I trusted she would though I began calling her in midafternoon. Mama (no relation to her) washed her last night. Physically, it was time. You had counseled me that I would know. Some of you know a rough translation of a Rumi poem Whoever brought me to the tavern will have to take me home. BreAnne was an alpha female - - just over 2 years old. Her playmate ToriRose left in February 2010. Isaac left in February 2011. She got really thin last fall and then rebounded. You helped me with her this spring when she quit eating and then decided to eat only Fancy Feast beef. She rebounded in July. will leave it there. Remaining positives are Mama and Luscious and Shallie Jean and Hope. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Off topic: Hunters accidentally killing kids
Some actual cases: OFFICER'S ERRANT SHOT AT DEER UPSETS RESIDENTS The Buffalo News (Buffalo, NY) Byline: Thomas J. Dolan - NEWS NORTHTOWNS BUREAU Three days after an errant shot fired from a nearby woods struck their home, a young Amherst couple are still shaken by the thought of what could have happened. Amherst police say that one of their officers -- a marksman who is taking part in the town's bait and shoot program to control deer -- fired the round and that the shot ricocheted before hitting the house. But that's not good enough for residents of San Fernando Lane, where the bullet landed in the second-floor guest room of a young family's home. In my opinion they should not have been anywhere this close to a house, said a woman who lives in the house struck by the bullet. She agreed to an interview Monday on the condition that her name and address not be published. When it happens, your instinctive reaction is to be outraged. We felt that at the time and still do, she said. At about 10:30 a.m. Friday, her husband was working in a first-floor room of the house and the couple's son was staying home from grade school because of illness, she said. The bullet blew a baseball size hole in their upstairs guest room window and lodged in a picture on the wall. Amherst police came to the house, and they were extremely cooperative and extremely sensitive and sympathetic about the incident, she said, but she added that nobody should be shooting a weapon that close to a house. Police told her the officer involved was several hundred yards away in the woods, aiming down at a deer from a platform when the round struck something and was diverted toward the houses on San Fernando Lane. Over the weekend, her husband took a walk into the woods and said it was not that far. If there's a chance of a fluke, they shouldn't be there, the woman said. According to the town's online map system, the woods are located between Casey and North French roads, covering an area about 1,000 yards long and about 600 yards wide at the midpoint. The map also shows there are houses on three sides of the woods, the nearest of which are located about 300 yards or less from the center of the woods. According to the woman, her neighbors are aware of the incident and they are very interested in what's happening. As for her son, she said, it has been difficult to explain to him what happened. Assistant Police Chief Ronald H. Hagleberger told Town Board members Monday that the bait and shoot program will remain suspended until the department concludes its noncriminal investigation of the incident in about three weeks. Police were withholding the names of the officer who fired the round and the owners of the home that was struck. I don't want to have this unfortunate incident stop the program, Amherst Council Member William L. Kindel said, calling the incident one in a million. But Council Member Daniel J. Ward disagreed, saying the bait and shoot program is an accident waiting to happen, because Amherst is not a rural community. Program officials said they would continue nonlethal attempts to control deer herds during the suspension period. Bullet pierces wall in Readington toddler's bedroom December 5, 2008 By BRANDON LAUSCH Staff Writer Courier News/Home News Tribune http://www.mycentraljersey.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008812050361 As little Giana DeCampos, 2, sat Friday in her once upon a princess chair for a tea party, the girl's bedroom looked like that of many others for a child her age. Her first name was spelled out in block letters on one of her lavender walls, stuffed animals filled a bookcase and new diapers were at the ready on the floor next to her crib. Everything looked just about right. Except for the bullet hole. Two days after a stray bullet pierced the side of their Oriole Road home entering the master bedroom and continuing into Giana's room, where the projectile finally landed near her crib the DeCampos family was still reeling yesterday at the thought that a hunter standing a half mile away could errantly shoot into their home and, in the process, shatter their sense of security. I feel like I live in a paper house, Lisa DeCampos said as she explained the recent incident with her husband Rui. According to township police, the bullet was shot from an adjacent farm, where two hunters who are considered possible suspects were found. Local authorities turned the investigation over to the state Division of Fish Wildlife's bureau of law enforcement, which was continuing to probe the incident yesterday, spokeswoman Darlene Yuhas said. Yuhas, citing the active investigation, said she could not provide details. Township police said criminal complaints may be filed. Mrs. DeCampos said she was wakened by Giana before 7 a.m. Wednesday, Dec. 3, and went downstairs with her youngest daughter to watch cartoons. Shortly after 7, Mrs. DeCampos said she heard a noise upstairs that resembled a
Re: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today
I am so sorry it was difficult.just know that she understands and loves you for all the caring you gave her. On Sep 12, 2011, at 5:21 PM, Natalie wrote: I am so sorry about BreAnne- Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 5:56 PM To: feline leukemia list Subject: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today hopefully to meet ToriRose and Isaac at the Bridge. The local vet's euthanisia was really ugly. It happens. ( I thought it would be easier for her rather than riding for 45 minutes). The local vet was no stranger to her. She had had fluids the previous 3 Saturdays. Our usual vet was not able to give her as much fluids Saturday because of her breathing. I came home and let her out and she disappeared into the woods, coming back when it got dark. I put her on the patio to rest Sunday morning. She lay there awhile and left and again returned in the darkness as I trusted she would though I began calling her in midafternoon. Mama (no relation to her) washed her last night. Physically, it was time. You had counseled me that I would know. Some of you know a rough translation of a Rumi poem Whoever brought me to the tavern will have to take me home. BreAnne was an alpha female - - just over 2 years old. Her playmate ToriRose left in February 2010. Isaac left in February 2011. She got really thin last fall and then rebounded. You helped me with her this spring when she quit eating and then decided to eat only Fancy Feast beef. She rebounded in July. will leave it there. Remaining positives are Mama and Luscious and Shallie Jean and Hope. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
And brag about poaching? On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:05 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Around here, they are just good ole boys having some fun and since most are good ole boys, like doctors they all stick together and nevr point the finger at one of our own. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Emus? Where do you live? What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to themselves, and are referred to as the only real conservationists...what a joke! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 10:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! Anyone who would even think about messing with one of my animals, will be one sorry SOB. A couple years ago someone shot two of my emus. Just for the he'll of it. A male sitting on eggs,and a little female that I was nursing back to health. Broke my heart. Offered reward, never found out who did it. People drunk, shooting from the road. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 11, 2011, at 7:49 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Yes, around here cats and dogs provide good practice shots just before the season. Someone said they were going to come to my house for some practice shots. I told them I would shoot them the minute they tried t shoot my cats. Of course they said they were just kidding and I said that had better be the truth because if one of my cats nded up shot, I wold come looking for them and after I shot them I would sue them for all I could get. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I think it's as usual, protests from veterinarians (who have no business being vets) because it provides a good income! Why do Hunting groups object to spaying and neutering? Why is there a push by the government and supported by hunting groups, to eliminate all stray cats by trapping, bowhunting, firearm hunting? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I took a look at the list of countries that do not allow declawing. Why is the US always behind in this sort of issue? Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: I'm from the Netherlands. Its illegal to declaw there. People who want to have it done anyway will bring them to Belgium to have it done. :-/ On Aug 29, 2011 12:25 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them about declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they adopt an already declawed cat. I don't agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will just end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think education is the best way to get people away from declawing. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat. I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip the cat's nails. She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter. She is allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that. Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground! - even if it did cost you an apt. and job. Good kharma will be the pay off for you! Tamara --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM A question about which states do NOT allow declawing: http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm A list of countries where declawing is illegal: http://www.declawing.com/list.html From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Paws come with claws. Period. I once lost a job opportunity (which came with a free apartment)
Re: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today
Czadna I'm sorry for the loss of your beloved BreAnne. Now she suffers no more. I love Rumi and what you've written makes a sense in this circumstance. You took her there, then - when it was 'time'-- brought her home. Bless you both. ~Bonnie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 2:56 PM To: feline leukemia list Subject: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today hopefully to meet ToriRose and Isaac at the Bridge. The local vet's euthanisia was really ugly. It happens. ( I thought it would be easier for her rather than riding for 45 minutes). The local vet was no stranger to her. She had had fluids the previous 3 Saturdays. Our usual vet was not able to give her as much fluids Saturday because of her breathing. I came home and let her out and she disappeared into the woods, coming back when it got dark. I put her on the patio to rest Sunday morning. She lay there awhile and left and again returned in the darkness as I trusted she would though I began calling her in midafternoon. Mama (no relation to her) washed her last night. Physically, it was time. You had counseled me that I would know. Some of you know a rough translation of a Rumi poem Whoever brought me to the tavern will have to take me home. BreAnne was an alpha female - - just over 2 years old. Her playmate ToriRose left in February 2010. Isaac left in February 2011. She got really thin last fall and then rebounded. You helped me with her this spring when she quit eating and then decided to eat only Fancy Feast beef. She rebounded in July. will leave it there. Remaining positives are Mama and Luscious and Shallie Jean and Hope. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
Hysterical! L.O.L. I love it. The thing is, yes, some of them hunt and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At least they are eating the deer. But the thing is, the animal is so beautiful a creature to behold and so delicate. How can anyone have the heart to kill them? They are graceful and grace our woods and lands. To see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight. I don't see how anyone could do it. From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers. No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they think of as sport! I love it when I read in the paper about hunting accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the deer!! Lorrie On 09-12, Natalie wrote: What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to themselves, and are referred to as the only real conservationists...what a joke! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
Bowhunting is the worst..the injuries are horrid, the pain and suffering is immense, and bowhunting starts right now in most states, and many fawns will be orphaned not able to survive winters on their own! Blood lust and the thrill of the kill is the driving force - it's not even sportsmanship! They're a bunch of little men who love torturing wildlife and are nothing more than a bunch of sadists! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters Hysterical! L.O.L. I love it. The thing is, yes, some of them hunt and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At least they are eating the deer. But the thing is, the animal is so beautiful a creature to behold and so delicate. How can anyone have the heart to kill them? They are graceful and grace our woods and lands. To see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight. I don't see how anyone could do it. _ From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers. No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they think of as sport! I love it when I read in the paper about hunting accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the deer!! Lorrie On 09-12, Natalie wrote: What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to themselves, and are referred to as the only real conservationists...what a joke! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today
So sorry to hear about BreAnne. I can tell you loved her very much. Beth czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com wrote: hopefully to meet ToriRose and Isaac at the Bridge. The local vet's euthanisia was really ugly. It happens. ( I thought it would be easier for her rather than riding for 45 minutes). The local vet was no stranger to her. She had had fluids the previous 3 Saturdays. Our usual vet was not able to give her as much fluids Saturday because of her breathing. I came home and let her out and she disappeared into the woods, coming back when it got dark. I put her on the patio to rest Sunday morning. She lay there awhile and left and again returned in the darkness as I trusted she would though I began calling her in midafternoon. Mama (no relation to her) washed her last night. Physically, it was time. You had counseled me that I would know. Some of you know a rough translation of a Rumi poem Whoever brought me to the tavern will have to take me home. BreAnne was an alpha female - - just over 2 years old. Her playmate ToriRose left in February 2010. Isaac left in February 2011. She got really thin last fall and then rebounded. You helped me with her this spring when she quit eating and then decided to eat only Fancy Feast beef. She rebounded in July. will leave it there. Remaining positives are Mama and Luscious and Shallie Jean and Hope. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today
Some time they are so far gone the drugs will not circulate. It has happened to some of my kitties as well. Junior was like that too I wish it had been easier for him. Hugs Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*(
We lost our Sids kid Avery today...He was a beautiful fluffy gray guy with the most beautiful eyes. He will be missed by MANY volunteers. I love you Avery sweet boy. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Hunters
Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our family farm in Central California... during dove hunting season. We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our fences to retrieve the bloody bodies. One afternoon the shotgun pellets were raining down on our roof and through the branches of our oak trees and we were afraid to go outside so Mom called the county sheriff. When he arrived to talk to them about unsafe shooting... Mom noticed his hand was bandaged...an idiot dove hunter had actually shot the deputy in the hand!!! Go figure! When I drove my 25 miles to work, each morning I felt like a cardboard duck in a fair shooting gallery... groups of hunters parked on their backsides sitting on coolers of beer with umbrellas erected overhead would wait on both sides of the road for flocks to fly over. I managed to get to work unscathed for 5 years, but was never certain I would survive the Sept - Nov. annual killing season. Our hunting neighbor across the road went out with a few friends and came back with only one eye... not a single friend would admit he fired the blinding shot. Nice, huh? Georgetta ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
doves mate for life...that's what is so sad. another thing that is sad is people with guns chugging down the booze. No laws to protect anything from THAT! On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Georgetta Brickey gebr...@hotmail.comwrote: Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our family farm in Central California... during dove hunting season. We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our fences to retrieve the bloody bodies. One afternoon the shotgun pellets were raining down on our roof and through the branches of our oak trees and we were afraid to go outside so Mom called the county sheriff. When he arrived to talk to them about unsafe shooting... Mom noticed his hand was bandaged...an idiot dove hunter had actually shot the deputy in the hand!!! Go figure! When I drove my 25 miles to work, each morning I felt like a cardboard duck in a fair shooting gallery... groups of hunters parked on their backsides sitting on coolers of doveswith umbrellas erected overhead would wait on both sides of the road for flocks to fly over. I managed to get to work unscathed for 5 years, but was never certain I would survive the Sept - Nov. annual killing season. Our hunting neighbor across the road went out with a few friends and came back with only one eye... not a single friend would admit he fired the blinding shot. Nice, huh? Georgetta ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** *I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*(
Im so sorry Sherry3 Animals have the purest of soulssometimes I just don't understand their deaths! On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: We lost our Sids kid Avery today...He was a beautiful fluffy gray guy with the most beautiful eyes. He will be missed by MANY volunteers. I love you Avery sweet boy. Sherry *We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary* *than our own,* *Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.* *Unable to accept its awful gaps.* *We still would have it no other way* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** *I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today
I'm so very sorry Marcia On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:56 PM, czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com wrote: hopefully to meet ToriRose and Isaac at the Bridge. The local vet's euthanisia was really ugly. It happens. ( I thought it would be easier for her rather than riding for 45 minutes). The local vet was no stranger to her. She had had fluids the previous 3 Saturdays. Our usual vet was not able to give her as much fluids Saturday because of her breathing. I came home and let her out and she disappeared into the woods, coming back when it got dark. I put her on the patio to rest Sunday morning. She lay there awhile and left and again returned in the darkness as I trusted she would though I began calling her in midafternoon. Mama (no relation to her) washed her last night. Physically, it was time. You had counseled me that I would know. Some of you know a rough translation of a Rumi poem Whoever brought me to the tavern will have to take me home. BreAnne was an alpha female - - just over 2 years old. Her playmate ToriRose left in February 2010. Isaac left in February 2011. She got really thin last fall and then rebounded. You helped me with her this spring when she quit eating and then decided to eat only Fancy Feast beef. She rebounded in July. will leave it there. Remaining positives are Mama and Luscious and Shallie Jean and Hope. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** *I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today
I was saddened to read that BreAnne has crossed the Rainbow Bridge. We love them, care for them and in the end let them go. I'll light a candle for her. Sharyl From: czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com To: feline leukemia list felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 5:56 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today hopefully to meet ToriRose and Isaac at the Bridge. The local vet's euthanisia was really ugly. It happens. ( I thought it would be easier for her rather than riding for 45 minutes). The local vet was no stranger to her. She had had fluids the previous 3 Saturdays. Our usual vet was not able to give her as much fluids Saturday because of her breathing. I came home and let her out and she disappeared into the woods, coming back when it got dark. I put her on the patio to rest Sunday morning. She lay there awhile and left and again returned in the darkness as I trusted she would though I began calling her in midafternoon. Mama (no relation to her) washed her last night. Physically, it was time. You had counseled me that I would know. Some of you know a rough translation of a Rumi poem Whoever brought me to the tavern will have to take me home. BreAnne was an alpha female - - just over 2 years old. Her playmate ToriRose left in February 2010. Isaac left in February 2011. She got really thin last fall and then rebounded. You helped me with her this spring when she quit eating and then decided to eat only Fancy Feast beef. She rebounded in July. will leave it there. Remaining positives are Mama and Luscious and Shallie Jean and Hope. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
So do Canada geese (mate for life). We live on a pond, and they spend a lot of time here. We feed them, so they don't go on neighbors' properties, bothering them. We actually recognize them every year because of certain markings, etc. When one loses a mate, they stay alone. I'm not sure if they ever find another life-mate or not. I used to go to the Hegins (PA) Pigeon Shoots to protest. It was sick. Families having picnics, while their menfolk shot at pigeons that had been confined without food and water in dark little traps for days- they were released, totally disoriented, in sudden bright sdaylight. They could hardly fly up, they were so weak. Then these brave men would take potshots at them. Some injured pigeons were able to fly off, land on roofs and fields, dying a slow death. Others fell right down, flopping on the ground until teen boys nonchalantly sauntered over to them, swung them by their necks, either broke their necks, or ripped their heads off. One kid threw a decapitated pigeon at me. We had a tent set up with volunteer veterinarians and wildlife rehabbers to treat the injured birds or euthanize them humanely. It was like in Roman times, a bunch of degenerate, bored, and blood lusty people amusing themselves. Hegins Pigeon Shoot is no more, but there are still others! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters doves mate for life...that's what is so sad. another thing that is sad is people with guns chugging down the booze. No laws to protect anything from THAT! On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Georgetta Brickey gebr...@hotmail.com wrote: Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our family farm in Central California... during dove hunting season. We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our fences to retrieve the bloody bodies. One afternoon the shotgun pellets were raining down on our roof and through the branches of our oak trees and we were afraid to go outside so Mom called the county sheriff. When he arrived to talk to them about unsafe shooting... Mom noticed his hand was bandaged...an idiot dove hunter had actually shot the deputy in the hand!!! Go figure! When I drove my 25 miles to work, each morning I felt like a cardboard duck in a fair shooting gallery... groups of hunters parked on their backsides sitting on coolers of doveswith umbrellas erected overhead would wait on both sides of the road for flocks to fly over. I managed to get to work unscathed for 5 years, but was never certain I would survive the Sept - Nov. annual killing season. Our hunting neighbor across the road went out with a few friends and came back with only one eye... not a single friend would admit he fired the blinding shot. Nice, huh? Georgetta ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
