Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Searching For Foster People / No Kill / Rescues in NY on Long Island

2012-10-11 Thread Amanda Vollaro
Sure, Natalie. POst away! Anything will help. I was lucky to be able to adopt 
out one from this brood, but after trying for months to find suitable adoptive 
parents via Craigslist in my area, I gave up. So many people want cats without 
strings - without a backup vet, and without the means to take care of them. I 
had to turn down nearly 30 people. I'd fell much better is I was dealing with 
experienced rescuers...so here's my #: 516-350-0131. It's a gmail #, so people 
can call absolutely anytime, even in the middle of the night, and leave me a 
message that I'll get next day when I log on. 
Oh, could you post the Animal SOS Alert URL? Id like to take a look and see if 
I should join. 
Thanks!
Amanda Vollaro
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- Original Message - 
  From: Natalie 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:47 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Searching For Foster People / No Kill / Rescues in NY 
on Long Island


  I could post your plea on the Animal SOS Alert – I don’t know anyone 
personally since I am in CT, but it might help.  The last 2 paragraphs would 
do.  There’s a large number of groups and individual rescuers who participate 
in this network.  This also happens to be a rally bad time with cold weather 
approaching when truly needy cats need to be taken off the streets right now!  
Let me know if you would like me to do it and if yo u would like to add 
anything to it. Would you like to list your telephone number, too?

  Natalie

   

  From: Amanda Vollaro avoll...@optonline.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Searching For Foster People / No Kill / Rescues in NY 
on Long Island

   

   

  Hey all, I've been a lurker here for quite a while - lost a batch of 
yearlings to FeLV about a year ago, and your advice has taught me quite a bit 
about treatment of young cats that came up positive. 

   

  I've been lucky in that most of my kitten rescues turned out negative, but I 
am working with several who are pos and will probably never go neg  - it sucks 
- why are the sweetest ones always pos?! 

   

  Anyway, I've become overwhelmed with the sheer number of kitties that I'm 
dealing with (24) and even though I've been working with The Brookhaven Animal 
Alliance to get them all fixed, I'm at my wits end. I'm trying to find foster 
parents for at least six little darling 7 month old ragdoll kittens. Some are 
loners and can go on their own, others could be paired for comfort...they are 
all indoor-outdoor cats (they have a kitty-run on my deck outside) and every 
one of them is a love. 

   

  Does anyone know of anybody doing fostering in my area (Suffolk County) and 
could you please let me know their contact info? I have tried asking some of 
the gals that I know, and they are booked up solid. 


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[Felvtalk] Searching For Foster People / No Kill / Rescues in NY on Long Island

2012-10-11 Thread Natalie
OK, will do – I will make it into more of a catchy poster and copy you!

My new email address is:atia@gmail.com

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amanda 
Vollaro
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 5:32 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Searching For Foster People / No Kill / Rescues in 
NY on Long Island

 

Sure, Natalie. POst away! Anything will help. I was lucky to be able to adopt 
out one from this brood, but after trying for months to find suitable adoptive 
parents via Craigslist in my area, I gave up. So many people want cats without 
strings - without a backup vet, and without the means to take care of them. I 
had to turn down nearly 30 people. I'd fell much better is I was dealing with 
experienced rescuers...so here's my #: 516-350-0131. It's a gmail #, so people 
can call absolutely anytime, even in the middle of the night, and leave me a 
message that I'll get next day when I log on. 

Oh, could you post the Animal SOS Alert URL? Id like to take a look and see if 
I should join. 

Thanks!

Amanda Vollaro
avoll...@optonline.net


- Original Message - 

From: Natalie mailto:at...@optonline.net  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:47 PM

Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Searching For Foster People / No Kill / Rescues in NY 
on Long Island

 

From: Amanda Vollaro avoll...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Searching For Foster People / No Kill / Rescues in NY 
on Long Island

 

Anyway, I've become overwhelmed with the sheer number of kitties that I'm 
dealing with (24) and even though I've been working with The Brookhaven Animal 
Alliance to get them all fixed, I'm at my wits end. I'm trying to find foster 
parents for at least six little darling 7 month old ragdoll kittens. Some are 
loners and can go on their own, others could be paired for comfort...they are 
all indoor-outdoor cats (they have a kitty-run on my deck outside) and every 
one of them is a love. 

 

Does anyone know of anybody doing fostering in my area (Suffolk County) and 
could you please let me know their contact info? I have tried asking some of 
the gals that I know, and they are booked up solid. 





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Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter

2012-10-11 Thread dlgegg
-Try World's Best liter, based on corn.  If you scoop daily, it will last a 
long time.  I have 7 liter boxes and only buy 1 bag every other month, maybe 
more in rainy/snowy weather.  Course my guys go out for a couple of hours in 
early am and early afternoon.  We much prefer dry leaves and dirt.


--- Edna Taylor wrote:   I am glad some can use the pine litter. I couldn't 
stand the smell once it interacts with poop and/or urine - 
PEEEUU. I have a very sensitive nose 
and just can't abide some smells. Hence the scoopable clay litter ;)   Date: 
Tue, 9 Oct 2012 16:17:56 -0400   From: felineres...@frontier.com   To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
 This sounds like the best bet for me. I really have to have scoopable   
litter. I once found a bag of Feline Pine Scoopable and it worked   
wonderfully. The pellets are horrible tho. The problem is we now live   in a 
very small town (rural area) and I have never seen the Pine Scoopable   here. 
I'll try on line. Lorrie On 10-08, Lynda Wilson wrote:I 
use Feline Pine - scoopable, not the pellets (it's too hard on their feet
in my opinion). It has improved immensely! It clumps better and leaves
less on the floor than what it used to. It lasts a long time too.   L 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President

2012-10-11 Thread dlgegg
I agree.  As a wise person once said, We agree to disagree but not to kill 
each other over it,


 Maureen Olvey wrote:   I really think this discussion has turned to a 
Republican bashing session. We Republicans disagree with almost everything you 
guys have said but there's no point of getting into it because no amount of 
discussion will change your mind. And that's okay because that's what makes 
America great - we can disagree without feeling the threat of reprisal. It is 
interesting to hear the Democratic views and what things you believe but some 
things are just not true like the supposed war on women. Mitt and Paul do not 
have the complete authority to do some of the things mentioned and many 
Republicans wouldn't go along with these kinds of things anyway. But it's okay 
with me if that's what you believe, I just don't think we can intelligently 
debate all the facts when we are not in the inner circle. I think we've worn 
the topic out and nothing you guys have said will make me change my mind about 
Obama and obviously I will never change your minds about Republicans so let's 
talk about something else like animal abusers and trying to get the death 
penalty for them. Just kidding - well kind of.   “I am not interested to know 
whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or 
doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of 
my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity 
without looking further.” – Mark TwainDate: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 23:43:25 
-0400   From: at...@optonline.net   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org   
Subject: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President Diane R., not only are you 
pretty sure - you are absolutely correct!   Not to mention what Mitt and Paul 
intend to do: Get rid of Planned   Parenthood which screens women for cancer, 
has helped a friend of mine   numerous times because she can't afford to go 
to a doctor; reverse Roe V.   Wade, getting women killed in back alleys, 
adopt personhood which will   make certain birth control illegal and 
criminal, overturn Obamacare but   promises to keep pre-existing conditions 
clause (although it applies ONLY to   people who have had long-time 
insurance, not for new applicants with   pre-existing conditions!) and women 
will automatically be back at the status   of having pre-existing conditions 
just because they're women,just to   mention a few.   An American 
friend is retired in Belgium and my husband just came back from   Sweden - 
people there cannot believe that this is part of US politics! Even   though 
many European countries are Catholic or of other religions, they do   not 
meddle in people's bedrooms! -Original Message-   From: 
Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of   Diane 
Rosenfeldt   Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:23 PM   To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President Um, I 
don't think the guy who was President the last 4 years caused ANY of   the 
problems you mention. In fact, I know he didn't. I'm pretty sure in fact   
that his predecessor did, and the new person is from that same party and   
has that same agenda. We had the worst recession since 1929, and if you've   
read any American History, that catastrophe took almost 10 years to recover   
from, and that was with Congress more or less working together. Diane 
R. -Original Message-   From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of   Lisa Conner   
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:26 PM   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org   
Subject: [Felvtalk] President Ok.. you are profiling and that is just 
plain wrong:) If we have the past   4 yours as the next 4 years, there will 
be a mass revolt.   Seriously, from mass job losses, no growth of our 
country, the division of   our country, we have to take a chance on a new 
person:) It can't get any   worse. That is my 2 cents! Now , back to 
our Felv + kitties. I am fairly new to this group and joined   because of 
losing my cat, Prancer. He lived for 9+ years, a very healthy   life. Then 
bang, like a whirlwind, we lost him. So my two questions to this   group is 
the following:   
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Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter

2012-10-11 Thread Amanda Vollaro

I, too have 7 boxes: 3 large, 2 medium, and 2 small ones.
Does the bag of corn replace all of the litter in your boxes?
Oh, and about how much is it by you? I can't afford anything really 
expensive, but I'm spending $20 a week now to replace the Tidy Cats 
Scoopable that I'm using. Add the cost of both dry and wet cat food, and I'm 
running up a bill that's about $100 per week!

Argh.
Amanda Vollaro
avoll...@optonline.net
516-350-0131
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From: dlg...@windstream.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter


-Try World's Best liter, based on corn.  If you scoop daily, it will last 
a long time.  I have 7 liter boxes and only buy 1 bag every other month, 
maybe more in rainy/snowy weather.  Course my guys go out for a couple of 
hours in early am and early afternoon.  We much prefer dry leaves and 
dirt.




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Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter

2012-10-11 Thread Lee Evans
I use pine pellets, $5.99 (tax exempt) at the feed store.  A 40 lb. bag lasts 
me about a week.  I scoop every day, dump and wash 5 boxes every 3-4 days.  I 
have about 24 cats pooping and peeing non-stop in the boxes.  Over 4 days turns 
into a major disaster.  Of course, some of them think outside of the box.  
Then it's scrape and mop time.  When I get some money (future, never?) I'm 
going to enclose my deck with the same gauge wire that my cat enclosure has.  
It's strong, not chicken wire so no possibility of injuries from cuts and keeps 
the cats contained (top also wired).  Once the deck is enclosed they will have 
a living room size space to bird watch, moth hunt and laugh at the peacock.  I 
will also be able to put a few litter boxes out there and if someone thinks 
outside of the box, there's the garden hose!!


 
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 From: Amanda Vollaro avoll...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
 
I, too have 7 boxes: 3 large, 2 medium, and 2 small ones.
Does the bag of corn replace all of the litter in your boxes?
Oh, and about how much is it by you? I can't afford anything really expensive, 
but I'm spending $20 a week now to replace the Tidy Cats Scoopable that I'm 
using. Add the cost of both dry and wet cat food, and I'm running up a bill 
that's about $100 per week!
Argh.
Amanda Vollaro
avoll...@optonline.net
516-350-0131
- Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter


 -Try World's Best liter, based on corn.  If you scoop daily, it will last a 
 long time.  I have 7 liter boxes and only buy 1 bag every other month, maybe 
 more in rainy/snowy weather.  Course my guys go out for a couple of hours in 
 early am and early afternoon.  We much prefer dry leaves and dirt.
 

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[Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

2012-10-11 Thread Lee Evans
Oh, @#$%!!!.  The price of Kirkland Adult Maintenance cat food used to be 
$16.99.  Then it went up a year later to $17.59.  Well, I bought two 20 lb. 
bags a week and a half ago.  This Tuesday, I went back to Costco because my 
cats ate most of the Kirkland and the price had gone up to $18.99!!!  It went 
up $1.49 in about a week.  This is robbery.  I'm so depressed.  The crap I buy 
at the feed store doesn't have a high fat content and doesn't have actual 
chicken like Kirkland and is $20  for a 36 pound bag.  Well, kitties, you're 
going to be back on a diet of crap and corn meal unless Mommy can get another 
job online.  Sigh.


 
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Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

2012-10-11 Thread Edna Taylor

We went the good food route and were feeding everyone Blue for a long time 
and everyone kept throwing up (A LOT) so we went back to Purina Complete and 
everyone seems happy, there is no more throwing up and they are healthy.  Our 
vet said some cats cannot tolerate the high fat and protein in some of the 
holistic brands and considering it was $40 a bag, I am A OK with that ;)
 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:06:37 -0700
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

Oh, @#$%!!!.  The price of Kirkland Adult Maintenance cat food used to be 
$16.99.  Then it went up a year later to $17.59.  Well, I bought two 20 lb. 
bags a week and a half ago.  This Tuesday, I went back to Costco because my 
cats ate most of the Kirkland and the price had gone up to $18.99!!!  It went 
up $1.49 in about a week.  This is robbery.  I'm so depressed.  The crap I buy 
at the feed store doesn't have a high fat content and doesn't have actual 
chicken like Kirkland and is $20  for a 36 pound bag.  Well, kitties, you're 
going to be back on a diet of crap and corn meal unless Mommy can get another 
job online.  Sigh.

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Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

2012-10-11 Thread dlgegg

ME TOO!  I only have 7 and their food and litter costs over $100.00 per month.  
Vet bills are something else.

 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Oh, @#$%!!!.  The price of Kirkland Adult Maintenance cat food used to be 
 $16.99.  Then it went up a year later to $17.59.  Well, I bought two 20 lb. 
 bags a week and a half ago.  This Tuesday, I went back to Costco because my 
 cats ate most of the Kirkland and the price had gone up to $18.99!!!  It went 
 up $1.49 in about a week.  This is robbery.  I'm so depressed.  The crap I 
 buy at the feed store doesn't have a high fat content and doesn't have actual 
 chicken like Kirkland and is $20  for a 36 pound bag.  Well, kitties, you're 
 going to be back on a diet of crap and corn meal unless Mommy can get another 
 job online.  Sigh.


 
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Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

2012-10-11 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
I'm curious as to how much you are spending per day per cat feeding dry.  I
am able to feed raw for 70 cents/day per cat.  If you didn't buy the
chicken from Whole Foods, which charges about twice as much as do, say
local ethnic butchers, then you could roll in for around half that.

I've heard they have to eat more dry than raw, as it isn't as high-octane
of food.   Also, cats don't drink enough water to compensate for dry food,
grain/starch-free or not, and stand a very good chance of ending up with
CRF.


On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Oh, @#$%!!!.  The price of Kirkland Adult Maintenance cat food used to be
 $16.99.  Then it went up a year later to $17.59.  Well, I bought two 20 lb.
 bags a week and a half ago.  This Tuesday, I went back to Costco because my
 cats ate most of the Kirkland and the price had gone up to $18.99!!!  It
 went up $1.49 in about a week.  This is robbery.  I'm so depressed.  The
 crap I buy at the feed store doesn't have a high fat content and doesn't
 have actual chicken like Kirkland and is $20  for a 36 pound bag.  Well,
 kitties, you're going to be back on a diet of crap and corn meal unless
 Mommy can get another job online.  Sigh.


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 neighbors too!


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Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter

2012-10-11 Thread dlgegg
World's Best at Tractor Supply runs around $14.00 per bag.  But it does last 
longer than the clay, is biodegradeable and weighs a lot less so I don't get a 
hernia bringing it in the house.  I scoop 2 times a day and add new only when 
the box gets low so it lasts a lot longer and it seems to track less than the 
clay and does not irritate my nose like clay dust does.  I have tracking only 
because of Dee, she is an overachiever wehn it comes ot covering.  She even 
goes in the box and covers after others who she does not considerto have done a 
good job.  Harley on the other hand does his thing and does not cover at all.  
Dee does it for him.  I do let them out in early am and early afternoon.  I 
live in the middle of the woods so no people problem, just critters and if they 
are not out at night, don't have that problem.  They usually stay out for 2 - 3 
hours and most of that time are on the deck soaking up the sun.  This helps 
some on the litter problem as we do love dry leaves.
 Amanda Vollaro avoll...@optonline.net wrote: 
 I, too have 7 boxes: 3 large, 2 medium, and 2 small ones.
 Does the bag of corn replace all of the litter in your boxes?
 Oh, and about how much is it by you? I can't afford anything really 
 expensive, but I'm spending $20 a week now to replace the Tidy Cats 
 Scoopable that I'm using. Add the cost of both dry and wet cat food, and I'm 
 running up a bill that's about $100 per week!
 Argh.
 Amanda Vollaro
 avoll...@optonline.net
 516-350-0131
 - Original Message - 
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
 
 
  -Try World's Best liter, based on corn.  If you scoop daily, it will last 
  a long time.  I have 7 liter boxes and only buy 1 bag every other month, 
  maybe more in rainy/snowy weather.  Course my guys go out for a couple of 
  hours in early am and early afternoon.  We much prefer dry leaves and 
  dirt.
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

2012-10-11 Thread dlgegg
Since Homey and Nitnoy, I feed half canned and dry.  I also have water 
fountains and that makes a diffrence in how much they drink.  I have to fill up 
the 2 fountains every morning and afternoon.  Each takes 64 ounces. Course 
Casey spills some.  She likes to bat at the water before she drinks.  I never 
thought about how much per day per cat, just feed them.  I usually give about 
1/4 cup in morning, afternoon and evening of the dry Blue Buffalo and 1 can 
divided by 7.  I mix the can with 2 cans of hot water.  The heat makes it smell 
more and they always drink the liquid and later on eat the meat.

 Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I'm curious as to how much you are spending per day per cat feeding dry.  I
 am able to feed raw for 70 cents/day per cat.  If you didn't buy the
 chicken from Whole Foods, which charges about twice as much as do, say
 local ethnic butchers, then you could roll in for around half that.
 
 I've heard they have to eat more dry than raw, as it isn't as high-octane
 of food.   Also, cats don't drink enough water to compensate for dry food,
 grain/starch-free or not, and stand a very good chance of ending up with
 CRF.
 
 
 On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  Oh, @#$%!!!.  The price of Kirkland Adult Maintenance cat food used to be
  $16.99.  Then it went up a year later to $17.59.  Well, I bought two 20 lb.
  bags a week and a half ago.  This Tuesday, I went back to Costco because my
  cats ate most of the Kirkland and the price had gone up to $18.99!!!  It
  went up $1.49 in about a week.  This is robbery.  I'm so depressed.  The
  crap I buy at the feed store doesn't have a high fat content and doesn't
  have actual chicken like Kirkland and is $20  for a 36 pound bag.  Well,
  kitties, you're going to be back on a diet of crap and corn meal unless
  Mommy can get another job online.  Sigh.
 
 
  Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
  neighbors too!
 
 
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 If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their
 life.  Contact your local pound for information.
 http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm
 
 If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
 to free up cage space.
 
 
 Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
 implementing the No Kill Equation:
 http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/
 
 Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
 http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/
 
 Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org
 
 More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/
 
 More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
 http://vimeo.com/48445902
 
 
 
 Local feral cat crisis?   See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond:
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Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter

2012-10-11 Thread dlgegg

I had tried Feline Pine pellets and my guys did not like them.  Got stuck 
between their pads and they went outside the bos in protest.  Also, the pellets 
disolved into dust and I could not scoop it very good.  World's Best makes nice 
clumps that life out nicely.

 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 I use pine pellets, $5.99 (tax exempt) at the feed store.  A 40 lb. bag lasts 
 me about a week.  I scoop every day, dump and wash 5 boxes every 3-4 days.  I 
 have about 24 cats pooping and peeing non-stop in the boxes.  Over 4 days 
 turns into a major disaster.  Of course, some of them think outside of the 
 box.  Then it's scrape and mop time.  When I get some money (future, never?) 
 I'm going to enclose my deck with the same gauge wire that my cat enclosure 
 has.  It's strong, not chicken wire so no possibility of injuries from cuts 
 and keeps the cats contained (top also wired).  Once the deck is enclosed 
 they will have a living room size space to bird watch, moth hunt and laugh at 
 the peacock.  I will also be able to put a few litter boxes out there and if 
 someone thinks outside of the box, there's the garden hose!!


 
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too!





 From: Amanda Vollaro avoll...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
 
I, too have 7 boxes: 3 large, 2 medium, and 2 small ones.
Does the bag of corn replace all of the litter in your boxes?
Oh, and about how much is it by you? I can't afford anything really expensive, 
but I'm spending $20 a week now to replace the Tidy Cats Scoopable that I'm 
using. Add the cost of both dry and wet cat food, and I'm running up a bill 
that's about $100 per week!
Argh.
Amanda Vollaro
avoll...@optonline.net
516-350-0131
- Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter


 -Try World's Best liter, based on corn.  If you scoop daily, it will last a 
 long time.  I have 7 liter boxes and only buy 1 bag every other month, maybe 
 more in rainy/snowy weather.  Course my guys go out for a couple of hours in 
 early am and early afternoon.  We much prefer dry leaves and dirt.
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter

2012-10-11 Thread Lynda Wilson
My kitties don’t care much for the hard pellets either (they prefer the 
feline pine clumping), but if your babies don't mind it, then that's great! 
Whatever works and to each it's own :)


L

-Original Message- 
From: dlg...@windstream.net

Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter


I had tried Feline Pine pellets and my guys did not like them.  Got stuck 
between their pads and they went outside the bos in protest.  Also, the 
pellets disolved into dust and I could not scoop it very good.  World's Best 
makes nice clumps that life out nicely.


 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
I use pine pellets, $5.99 (tax exempt) at the feed store.  A 40 lb. bag 
lasts me about a week.  I scoop every day, dump and wash 5 boxes every 3-4 
days.  I have about 24 cats pooping and peeing non-stop in the boxes. 
Over 4 days turns into a major disaster.  Of course, some of them think 
outside of the box.  Then it's scrape and mop time.  When I get some money 
(future, never?) I'm going to enclose my deck with the same gauge wire 
that my cat enclosure has.  It's strong, not chicken wire so no 
possibility of injuries from cuts and keeps the cats contained (top also 
wired).  Once the deck is enclosed they will have a living room size space 
to bird watch, moth hunt and laugh at the peacock.  I will also be able to 
put a few litter boxes out there and if someone thinks outside of the box, 
there's the garden hose!!




Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
neighbors too!






From: Amanda Vollaro avoll...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter

I, too have 7 boxes: 3 large, 2 medium, and 2 small ones.
Does the bag of corn replace all of the litter in your boxes?
Oh, and about how much is it by you? I can't afford anything really 
expensive, but I'm spending $20 a week now to replace the Tidy Cats 
Scoopable that I'm using. Add the cost of both dry and wet cat food, and I'm 
running up a bill that's about $100 per week!

Argh.
Amanda Vollaro
avoll...@optonline.net
516-350-0131
- Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter


-Try World's Best liter, based on corn.  If you scoop daily, it will last 
a long time.  I have 7 liter boxes and only buy 1 bag every other month, 
maybe more in rainy/snowy weather.  Course my guys go out for a couple of 
hours in early am and early afternoon.  We much prefer dry leaves and 
dirt.




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Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

2012-10-11 Thread Natalie
Muyltiply that by 10 + - Natalie

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food


ME TOO!  I only have 7 and their food and litter costs over $100.00 per month.  
Vet bills are something else.

 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Oh, @#$%!!!.  The price of Kirkland Adult Maintenance cat food used to be 
 $16.99.  Then it went up a year later to $17.59.  Well, I bought two 20 lb. 
 bags a week and a half ago.  This Tuesday, I went back to Costco because my 
 cats ate most of the Kirkland and the price had gone up to $18.99!!!  It went 
 up $1.49 in about a week.  This is robbery.  I'm so depressed.  The crap I 
 buy at the feed store doesn't have a high fat content and doesn't have actual 
 chicken like Kirkland and is $20  for a 36 pound bag.  Well, kitties, you're 
 going to be back on a diet of crap and corn meal unless Mommy can get another 
 job online.  Sigh.


 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter

2012-10-11 Thread Beth
I used to used World's Best . I still think it's great, but I've started using 
the Blue Buffalo brand now  like it even better. If I wait until it's on sale 
it's as much as WB. It is expensive, but I change the litter half as often, so 
it works out in the end.

Beth

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 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
 
-Try World's Best liter, based on corn.  If you scoop daily, it will last a 
long time.  I have 7 liter boxes and only buy 1 bag every other month, maybe 
more in rainy/snowy weather.  Course my guys go out for a couple of hours in 
early am and early afternoon.  We much prefer dry leaves and dirt.


--- Edna Taylor wrote:   I am glad some can use the pine litter. I couldn't 
stand the smell once it interacts with poop and/or urine - 
PEEEUU. I have a very sensitive nose 
and just can't abide some smells. Hence the scoopable clay litter ;)   Date: 
Tue, 9 Oct 2012 16:17:56 -0400   From: felineres...@frontier.com   To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
 This sounds like the best bet for me. I really have to have scoopable   
litter. I once found a bag of Feline Pine Scoopable and it worked   
wonderfully. The pellets are horrible tho. The problem is we now live   in a 
very small town (rural area) and I have never seen the Pine Scoopable   here. 
I'll try on line. Lorrie On 10-08, Lynda Wilson wrote:I 
use Feline Pine - scoopable, not the pellets (it's too hard on their feet
in my opinion). It has improved immensely! It clumps
 better and leavesless on the floor than what it used to. It lasts a 
long time too.   L
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Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

2012-10-11 Thread Susan Hoffman
I spend about $1000 a month with a population that ranges from 25-40, depending 
on adoptions and new intake.  We feed primarily canned but with dry (mostly 
Kirkland Premium and the no-grain in the orange bag).  It's a big chunk of 
money every month but the cats are happy and healthy.
 
For the past year I've been planning ahead and buying discounted PetSmart gift 
cards through http://www.giftcardbin.com/ and http://www.cardpool.com/  They 
also have petco cards but nothing for Costco.  Take a look.  It really has 
helped my budget.  (I recently combined gift cards discounted by 18% with the 
PetSmart Friends  Family sale discount of 15%, and used a few random coupons.  
For awhile there I had a lot of cases of friskies stacked up in the living 
room!)



From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

Since Homey and Nitnoy, I feed half canned and dry.  I also have water 
fountains and that makes a diffrence in how much they drink.  I have to fill up 
the 2 fountains every morning and afternoon.  Each takes 64 ounces. Course 
Casey spills some.  She likes to bat at the water before she drinks.  I never 
thought about how much per day per cat, just feed them.  I usually give about 
1/4 cup in morning, afternoon and evening of the dry Blue Buffalo and 1 can 
divided by 7.  I mix the can with 2 cans of hot water.  The heat makes it smell 
more and they always drink the liquid and later on eat the meat.

 Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I'm curious as to how much you are spending per day per cat feeding dry.  I
 am able to feed raw for 70 cents/day per cat.  If you didn't buy the
 chicken from Whole Foods, which charges about twice as much as do, say
 local ethnic butchers, then you could roll in for around half that.
 
 I've heard they have to eat more dry than raw, as it isn't as high-octane
 of food.  Also, cats don't drink enough water to compensate for dry food,
 grain/starch-free or not, and stand a very good chance of ending up with
 CRF.
 
 
 On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  Oh, @#$%!!!.  The price of Kirkland Adult Maintenance cat food used to be
  $16.99.  Then it went up a year later to $17.59.  Well, I bought two 20 lb.
  bags a week and a half ago.  This Tuesday, I went back to Costco because my
  cats ate most of the Kirkland and the price had gone up to $18.99!!!  It
  went up $1.49 in about a week.  This is robbery.  I'm so depressed.  The
  crap I buy at the feed store doesn't have a high fat content and doesn't
  have actual chicken like Kirkland and is $20  for a 36 pound bag.  Well,
  kitties, you're going to be back on a diet of crap and corn meal unless
  Mommy can get another job online.  Sigh.
 
 
  Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
  neighbors too!
 
 
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 If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their
 life.  Contact your local pound for information.
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 If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
 to free up cage space.
 
 
 Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
 implementing the No Kill Equation:
 http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/
 
 Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
 http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/
 
 Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org
 
 More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/
 
 More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
 http://vimeo.com/48445902
 
 
 
 Local feral cat crisis?  See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond:
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Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

2012-10-11 Thread Lee Evans
It would be nice if I could do that but I'm feeding around 35 cats right now.  
Feeding raw would cost me around $9 a day with turns into around $250 a month.  
On top of which, I would be a little nervous to feed raw chicken to the cats.  
Some of them probably wouldn't even understand what it was while others might 
throw it up at first.  Cooked chicken would add about 3 hours work to my day.  
My freezer would be full of frozen chicken, not defrosted in time for their 
dinner and I would go insane.

The dry food costs me about $100 - $150 a month.  With the price of Kirkland 
going up it would cost me about equal to that because they eat less of the 
Kirkland due to fat content.  Seems to fill them up better.  I used to buy 
Friskies regular type, and Purina Cat Chow (no one wanted to eat that).  Then I 
bought HEB brand Hill Country Fair and all the cats began throwing up in 
unison.  Stopped buying that also.  They seem to be able to digest Paws and 
Claws, the Tractor Supply brand that cost $20 for 36 pounds but the older ones 
lose weight when they eat it.  One of my cats, Isadora lost most of her fur 
(long hair) and had scabs and sores on her skin.  I began feeding Kirkland 
about 3 months ago and the other day I realized that Isadora had no more scabs 
and had grown back her fur.  The fat content did her a whole lot of good. She 
looks like she has gained a pound or two and is much more active. Mr. Buttons 
(Big Butt-tons) also gained weight on
 Kirkland.  I need to widen the doorway for him.
I will probably have to keep buying the Kirkland and just work harder. 


 
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 From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food
 

I'm curious as to how much you are spending per day per cat feeding dry.  I am 
able to feed raw for 70 cents/day per cat.  If you didn't buy the chicken from 
Whole Foods, which charges about twice as much as do, say local ethnic 
butchers, then you could roll in for around half that.   

I've heard they have to eat more dry than raw, as it isn't as high-octane of 
food.   Also, cats don't drink enough water to compensate for dry food, 
grain/starch-free or not, and stand a very good chance of ending up with CRF.  



On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

Oh, @#$%!!!.  The price of Kirkland Adult Maintenance cat food used to be 
$16.99.  Then it went up a year later to $17.59.  Well, I bought two 20 lb. 
bags a week and a half ago.  This Tuesday, I went back to Costco because my 
cats ate most of the Kirkland and the price had gone up to $18.99!!!  It went 
up $1.49 in about a week.  This is robbery.  I'm so depressed.  The crap I buy 
at the feed store doesn't have a high fat content and doesn't have actual 
chicken like Kirkland and is $20  for a 36 pound bag.  Well, kitties, you're 
going to be back on a diet of crap and corn meal unless Mommy can get another 
job online.  Sigh.



 
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If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their 
life.  Contact your local pound for information. 


If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
free up cage space.

Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
implementing the No Kill Equation: 
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: 
http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902




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Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

2012-10-11 Thread Lorrie
I have 24 cats total... 14 at home and 10 in my shelter/sanctuary. 
Plus I feed a feral colony.

I use Purina One which is moderately priced. About $23.00 for a 16 pound
bag at Walmart.  I spend about $150.00 to $200. a week on cat food and
litter and it is infuriating how they keep cutting the size of the bags!
Every few months there is less in the bag. My cats also get canned Friskies
and Fancy Feast or Sheba for my special needs cats.

Lorrie

On 10-11, Lee Evans wrote:
Oh, @#$%!!!.  The price of Kirkland Adult Maintenance cat food used to
be $16.99.  Then it went up a year later to $17.59.  Well, I bought two
20 lb. bags a week and a half ago.  This Tuesday, I went back to Costco
because my cats ate most of the Kirkland and the price had gone up to
$18.99!!!  It went up $1.49 in about a week.  This is robbery.  I'm so
depressed.  The crap I buy at the feed store doesn't have a high fat
content and doesn't have actual chicken like Kirkland and is $20  for a
36 pound bag.  Well, kitties, you're going to be back on a diet of crap
and corn meal unless Mommy can get another job online.  Sigh.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter

2012-10-11 Thread HIDEYO YAMAMOTO

I have tried every clumping litter out there,  I think - I used to like World's 
Best - but I started not liking the smell when it gets old - it stinks - also 
two of my kitties developed liver failure and died - during the time I used 
World's best and I got nervous about whether if corn litter caused the disease -
 
I have been using Feline Fresh - but for some reason, the quality went down 
hill and does not clump well - (different from feline Pine) - I have been using 
Blue buffalo - I like it okay - though it gets heavier than corn when clumped, 
wheat, or pine - smells better - I think..
 



Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 12:04:57 -0700
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter



I used to used World's Best . I still think it's great, but I've started using 
the Blue Buffalo brand now  like it even better. If I wait until it's on sale 
it's as much as WB. It is expensive, but I change the litter half as often, so 
it works out in the end.

Beth

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

 






From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter

-Try World's Best liter, based on corn.  If you scoop daily, it will last a 
long time.  I have 7 liter boxes and only buy 1 bag every other month, maybe 
more in rainy/snowy weather.  Course my guys go out for a couple of hours in 
early am and early afternoon.  We much prefer dry leaves and dirt.


--- Edna Taylor wrote:   I am glad some can use the pine litter. I couldn't 
stand the smell once it interacts with poop and/or urine - 
PEEEUU. I have a very sensitive nose 
and just can't abide some smells. Hence the scoopable clay litter ;)   Date: 
Tue, 9 Oct 2012 16:17:56 -0400   From: felineres...@frontier.com   To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
 This sounds like the best bet for me. I really have to have scoopable   
litter. I once found a bag of Feline Pine Scoopable and it worked   
wonderfully. The pellets are horrible tho. The problem is we now live   in a 
very small town (rural area) and I have never seen the Pine Scoopable   here. 
I'll try on line. Lorrie On 10-08, Lynda Wilson wrote:I 
use Feline Pine - scoopable, not the pellets (it's too hard on their feet
in my opinion). It has improved immensely! It clumps better and leaves
less on the floor than what it used to. It lasts a long time too.   L 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter: The Return of the Clump

2012-10-11 Thread Lee Evans
This is a horror story.  It's true.  My cats will tell you it is.  One day, 
several years ago, I decided to purchase clumping litter.  In those days I was 
using Traditional, a brand put out by HEB supermarket.  Traditional is a white 
litter, not too much dust, at that time very inexpensive. Then I saw HEB 
Scoopable.  It wasn't very expensive so I lugged a couple of bags home.  Now, 
the horror part comes when you realize that I knew nothing about clumping 
litter except that it clumps when hit with something liquid.  So I poured the 
same amount of clumping clay into the cat boxes as I had with the ordinary 
stuff.  Sigh! Once in a while I should read directions.  The litter clumped to 
the bottom of the box.  Solid.  Cement.  Mixed with cat piss.  I had to take 
all the boxes out to the yard and use a hack saw to get the litter out.  
Finally, hammer, chisel and garden hose got the boxes back to usable state.  
Five hours wasted.  Cats giggling
 inside, waiting to see what I would do next.  I read the directions.  Needed 
was at least three inches of litter per box.  Ten boxes.  Five bags of cheap 
clumping clay.  Ah.  It clumped.  Did not stick to the bottom of the box.  Each 
perfectly formed clump weighed about three pounds.  Hernia time. I purchased 5 
bags of litter, each weighing 20 pounds.  I filled up about 10 boxes.  Used 
about 5 of the bags, give or take a few grains of sand.  Half a bag to a box.  
That would be about 10 pounds of clay per box.  After all was said and done, I 
got over 24 pounds worth of clumps out of each box. I wish someone would make 
litter out of silver dollars that would triple when hit with a liquid 
substance.  Used up an entire roll of garbage bags.  Sanitation department 
workers had to be hospitalized for hernias.  It was around that time that I 
discovered Feline Pine.  The cats were a little startled at having to do their 
thing on something that
 smelled like wood and rolled around like marbles but they got the hang of it 
finally.  Some like to bat the pine pellets all over the floor.  They 
especially like to bat them over to the door so when I come into the room I 
step rolly-polly pellets and go skidding into a wall.  Need a book on cat 
behavior modification.

 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





 From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
 

 
I have tried every clumping litter out there,  I think - I used to like World's 
Best - but I started not liking the smell when it gets old - it stinks - also 
two of my kitties developed liver failure and died - during the time I used 
World's best and I got nervous about whether if corn litter caused the disease -
 
I have been using Feline Fresh - but for some reason, the quality went down 
hill and does not clump well - (different from feline Pine) - I have been using 
Blue buffalo - I like it okay - though it gets heavier than corn when clumped, 
wheat, or pine - smells better - I think..
 



 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 12:04:57 -0700
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter


I used to used World's Best . I still think it's great, but I've started using 
the Blue Buffalo brand now  like it even better. If I wait until it's on sale 
it's as much as WB. It is expensive, but I change the litter half as often, so 
it works out in the end.

Beth

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 



 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter

-Try World's Best liter, based on corn.  If you scoop daily, it will last a 
long time.  I have 7 liter boxes and only buy 1 bag every other month, maybe 
more in rainy/snowy weather.  Course my guys go out for a couple of hours in 
early am and early afternoon.  We much prefer dry leaves and dirt.


--- Edna Taylor wrote:   I am glad some can use the pine litter. I couldn't 
stand the smell once it interacts with poop and/or urine - 
PEEEUU. I have a very sensitive nose 
and just can't abide some smells. Hence the scoopable clay litter ;)   Date: 
Tue, 9 Oct 2012 16:17:56 -0400   From: felineres...@frontier.com   To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
 This sounds like the best bet for me. I really have to have scoopable   
litter. I once found a bag of Feline Pine Scoopable and it worked   
wonderfully. The pellets are horrible tho. The problem is we now live   in a 
very small town (rural area) and I have never seen the Pine Scoopable   here. 
I'll try on line. Lorrie On 10-08, Lynda Wilson wrote:I 
use Feline Pine - scoopable, not the