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Re: for Barbara re unsubscribe

2005-06-18 Thread Barbara Baass

No I don't have my June 1 E-Mail from James. I E-Mailed James, but it doesn't work.
Barbara B."MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Barbara--James sent us all a personalized URL on June 1-- seebelow---for unsubscribing etc. I tried taking my name off my URL beforesending it to you but it doesn't work then! (When you click you get anerror message on the page) Do you still have your June 1 email from James? If not, you could try emailing James directly and ask him how tounsubscribe--his address is:[EMAIL PROTECTED](There must be another way to do it if people don't have the email anymore, but I'm not sure what it is.) Hope your computer is fixed soon - we'll miss you!Kerryhttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/options/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/kmackenzie%40mayerbrownrowe.com

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Re: AC - cats marking

2005-06-16 Thread Barbara Baass


My computer is down & I need to get it fixed. How do I unsubscribe until I can get it up and runing again?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



I agree that is funny!
I will try this as well...nerf ball great idea!
 
In a message dated 6/16/2005 9:38:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

That's hilarious! What a cutie--he deserved to have that chicken!

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:20 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: AC - cats marking
If the squirt bottle doesn't work...use a soft-light-weight foam ball and wing it at him.  (I know it sound aweful to throw anything at your animal...which is why I said only a soft foam ball that can't possible hurt them.  It will distract without injuringyou can always soak it in lemon juice, but ONLY use it DRY.  The lemon smell will be on the ball- cats don't like citrus and it will further help to reinforce the experience as an unpleasant one without causing lasting damage.
 
(We tried squirt bottles to keep Quintapus off the counter tops to no avail. When he was a kitten-adolescent,  Mom got so frustrated one evening when he hopped up to help himself to chicken that she was cooking for dinner that she turned the kitchen sink hose/rinser on himhe just LEANED into it & shut his eyes & started purring!..we were laughing so hard we were crying.  So we had to come up with an alternative.  The nerf ball worked better for us, but only AFTER we soaked and dryed the lemon juice to it.)
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RE: Interferon and seizure meds

2005-06-11 Thread Barbara Baass

Hideyo, yes, could you please make me a copy and send it or fax it to me? My number is 512-835-2484.Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:









Ask your vet to contact Michelle Rose - the number is 805-339-2290 (Ninas vet)  I also a received a packet, if you want me to make a copy for you, I can.
 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara BaassSent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:30 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Interferon and seizure meds
 

Nina,

What is your vets name & address, so we can get the information packet on the interferon.

Barbara BaassNina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Barbara,I know you asked Michelle this question, but I thought I'd jump in here. Michelle lives in the UK where Feline Interferon Omega has been approved for use. It's easier to get, (and I'm guessing cheaper too!) there. In the US, we have to have our vets apply for a special dispensation to the FDA for approval in each individual case. I've done that, along with a couple other people on the list. If you're interested, check the archives for further information about it and getting it. My vet's office has developed an information packet that they happily share with other vets to speed the process.NinaBarbara Baass wrote:> *Michelle,*> *Where
 did you get this interferon?*> *Barbara Baass*> *//*
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Re: Interferon and seizure meds

2005-06-10 Thread Barbara Baass

Thanks Michelle. Could you please E-Mail me a copy? I sure would appreciate it. My number is 512-835-2484.
Barbara BaassNina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks Hideyo, I was going to post it for Barbara, but hadn't gotten the chance yet.  Barbara, your vet has to be the one to call.  Good luck, let us know what happens.NinaHideyo Yamamoto wrote:









Ask your vet to contact Michelle Rose - the number is 805-339-2290 (Ninas vet)  I also a received a packet, if you want me to make a copy for you, I can.
 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Barbara BaassSent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:30 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Interferon and seizure meds
 

Nina,

What is your vets name & address, so we can get the information packet on the interferon.

Barbara BaassNina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Barbara,I know you asked Michelle this question, but I thought I'd jump in here. Michelle lives in the UK where Feline Interferon Omega has been approved for use. It's easier to get, (and I'm guessing cheaper too!) there. In the US, we have to have our vets apply for a special dispensation to the FDA for approval in each individual case. I've done that, along with a couple other people on the list. If you're interested, check the archives for further information about it and getting it. My vet's office has developed an information packet that they happily share with other vets to speed the process.NinaBarbara Baass wrote:> *Michelle,*> *Where
 did you get this interferon?*> *Barbara Baass*> *//*
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Re: Interferon and seizure meds

2005-06-10 Thread Barbara Baass

Nina,
What is your vets name & address, so we can get the information packet on the interferon.
Barbara BaassNina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Barbara,I know you asked Michelle this question, but I thought I'd jump in here. Michelle lives in the UK where Feline Interferon Omega has been approved for use. It's easier to get, (and I'm guessing cheaper too!) there. In the US, we have to have our vets apply for a special dispensation to the FDA for approval in each individual case. I've done that, along with a couple other people on the list. If you're interested, check the archives for further information about it and getting it. My vet's office has developed an information packet that they happily share with other vets to speed the process.NinaBarbara Baass wrote:> *Michelle,*> *Where did you get this interferon?*> *Barbara Baass*> *//*__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of
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Re: Interferon and seizure meds

2005-06-10 Thread Barbara Baass

Thanks Nina. Yes, I need to get this for Samson's mouth.
Barbara BaassNina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Barbara,I know you asked Michelle this question, but I thought I'd jump in here. Michelle lives in the UK where Feline Interferon Omega has been approved for use. It's easier to get, (and I'm guessing cheaper too!) there. In the US, we have to have our vets apply for a special dispensation to the FDA for approval in each individual case. I've done that, along with a couple other people on the list. If you're interested, check the archives for further information about it and getting it. My vet's office has developed an information packet that they happily share with other vets to speed the process.NinaBarbara Baass wrote:> *Michelle,*> *Where did you get this interferon?*> *Barbara Baass*> *//*
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Re: Interferon

2005-06-10 Thread Barbara Baass

thanks for the information.
Barbara BaassNina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Do you need a prescription for Interferon Alpha?  I got mine from my Internist.  It wasn't very expensive.NinaDel Daniels wrote:


I ordered mine from Island Pharmacy in Wisconsin   www.islandpharmacy.com 
It is not the only place.
 
Del

- Original Message ----- 
From: Barbara Baass 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:31 PM
Subject: RE: thanking for the incredible support system


Where do all of you get the interferon? I need to get some for Samson's mouth.
Barbara Baass"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Hmm. Any chance a bunch of you could start another FIP list, without her? It sounds such a shame that in order to lose her, you had to lose all the good people too.
I've never belonged to any other web group of any sort, so I've landed real lucky in finding this one. Totally agree--everyone is so generous and supportive as well as incredibly knowledgeable. 
I can't understand what gets into people when they behave like the one you describe. They clearly have "Issues" and instead of facing up to them, they just make everyone else suffer. It's such a shame and so unnecessary. 
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I know people on this list make a lot of comments on this, but I also personally want to thank you for all the support you give for me and for my babies, and for anyone who may need the support for that matter  
I really love this list as we can talk about anything (any OT stuff)  
I used to be on FIP list since I have many many corona virus kitties and I was very concerned about FIPs  but the mediator on the list is very controlling and mean  if you questions anything she says she gets made and took you off the list  she only believes in certain treatment and she doesnt let you argue about it otherwise  and she does not allow any OT subjects  I really liked everyone else on that list, but couldnt stand the mediator (and so did other people on the list) 
 
Anyway, thank you so very much for your support  dont know what to do without you guys  I am glad that I found you!

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Re: Interferon and seizure meds

2005-06-10 Thread Barbara Baass

Michelle,
Where did you get this interferon?
Barbara Baass[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks Jenn for adding that.
 
Thanks for offering to find out Nina - if anyone else can find anything out too that would be great - baring in mind the neurological problems probably are FIV related. 
 
PS - Bramble is on feline omega interferon - not human form interferon.
 
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RE: thanking for the incredible support system

2005-06-09 Thread Barbara Baass

Where do all of you get the interferon? I need to get some for Samson's mouth.
Barbara Baass"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hmm. Any chance a bunch of you could start another FIP list, without her? It sounds such a shame that in order to lose her, you had to lose all the good people too.
I've never belonged to any other web group of any sort, so I've landed real lucky in finding this one. Totally agree--everyone is so generous and supportive as well as incredibly knowledgeable.
I can't understand what gets into people when they behave like the one you describe. They clearly have "Issues" and instead of facing up to them, they just make everyone else suffer. It's such a shame and so unnecessary.

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 4:43 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: thanking for the incredible support system

I know people on this list make a lot of comments on this, but I also personally want to thank you for all the support you give for me and for my babies, and for anyone who may need the support for that matter
I really love this list as we can talk about anything (any OT stuff)
I used to be on FIP list since I have many many corona virus kitties and I was very concerned about FIPs but the mediator on the list is very controlling and mean if you questions anything she says she gets made and took you off the list she only believes in certain treatment and she doesnt let you argue about it otherwise and she does not allow any OT subjects I really liked everyone else on that list, but couldnt stand the mediator (and so did other people on the list)
Anyway, thank you so very much for your support dont know what to do without you guys I am glad that I found you!

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RE: average lifespan

2005-06-01 Thread Barbara Baass

Yes, this is very depressing. Tom was about a year and a half the vet said and I guess now he is 2 years old.  I know now from what the group said what to expect of his life span. Maybe another year or two.
Is Salome just a carrier or is it in the bone marrow? To be 9 years old, she must be a carrier??
Barbara BaassHideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:







This is just so depressing to think about, isnt it?
I look at Ginger, who is just a year old and every day, I fear of the day  but fortunately she is doing very good and try not to think about it too much, instead, I try to concentrate on loving her more -  I am going to continue to fight with Ginger no matter what..
 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara BaassSent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:04 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: average lifespan
 

Doesn't seem to be a long life span. Looks like maybe 3 to 5 or 6 years. I believe that Tom was born with this because it is in the bone marrow. He probably got it from his mother. It is a shame that we have to go through pain and suffering before we die. At least most of the time we do.

Barbra BaassTerri Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Samantha was 3 (1999)

Arielle was 4-1/2 (2001)

Gareth was 6-1/2 (2003)

Alec was 5-1/2 (2003)

 

Salome' is still with me.  She's 9.

 

RuthieGirl was 6 months (1996 -- not a FeLV related death; she was Salome's littermate).

Siggie, Sammi, and Guinevere are FeLV negative.

 

=^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^=

 

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- Original Message - 

From: Gloria B. Lane 

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 11:44 PM

Subject: Re: average lifespan

 
Yo Jenn -My darling Calawalla Banana Boo-boo was 3 years old. (2004)My sweet Mittens was maybe 2.5 yrs. (2003)My baby Mr. Black kitty was FIV and FELV+ - vet said he was 18.  I don't believe it.  Think he was a bit younger than that - 10 yrs maybe? (2002)Gloria>Well, my Moogie, who was born with FELV, lived 18 months, but it >varies widely, and also, I did not take drastic measures to prolong >her life. Had I done everything to the extreme, she may have lived >to be 2 years old. I'm not really sure what the "average" life span >of FELV+ cats is, but one study has been done on the lifespan >expectations for cats infected with feline leukemia virus that >tested persistently viremic (continuously tested positive). In the >study, reported by Dr. Susan Cotter in the
 November 1991 issue of >the Journal of the AVMA, most cats died within two years but about >20% of the cats lived three or more years. Of course, if everyone >here tells you how old their FELV+ furangels were when they passed >on, then you'll get a good sampling, and be able to draw your own >conclusions, but you'll have to know how long they had the virus, >not just how long they lived, because some of them may have caught >it later in life, and that would skew the numbers.>>This could potentially be a very interesting thread, I wonder if we >qualify as a "study group"?>>Jenn>http://ucat.us>http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html



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Re: life span and losses

2005-06-01 Thread Barbara Baass

I was wondering if Bramble has ever had a felv shot? I worry about my other 4 non-positive ones getting Felv from Tom, especially the younger one that was 6 years old in May, Tasha. I had her since she was a baby at 6 weeks and she will always be my baby cat no matter how old she gets. She was the one that was shot with a pellet gun when I found her in my garage.
Barbara Baass[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm so sorry to hear of those of you who have lost you beloved furkids. It is so painful and I still miss my dear girl now even though it is 2 months since her death. I think I ended up coping by writing her a poem and drawing her aswell as being around other animals and taking my 3 new cats. Bramble is not a well cat I'm afraid and we are getting him on Feline Omega Interferon tomorrow - certainly think it's calcivirus. And although Bramble is FIV+ he could also have FeLV as he lives with an FeLV+ cat - I'm not testing him though as he is reaching close to the end with the FIV I think. He will be tested for Calicivirus too tomorrow. My FeLV+ cat is just so mischeivious and looks so healthy although she too will be taking a trip to the vet as she has a little bit of a runny nose but is coping well - she keeps jumping on and off the wardrobe and diving in and out of her playing tunnel chasing her buddy - Bramble just lets them get on with it. I think it was all triggered by
the stress of them changing homes when they came out of the animal sanctuary 3 weeks ago into their new home.
I will try what I can for Bramble but if he has no improvement I think it will be kinder for him to be sent up to play with my Tidge at rainbow bridge until I get there.
I also hadn't realised that the FeLV+ cat life span was commonly so short so thanks for discussing that as it will be useful to me cope with that when that time arrives - so difficult when they have to pass over but helping them and knowing they are well loved is well worth the heartache.
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RE: average lifespan

2005-06-01 Thread Barbara Baass


Tom had the a first test and then I had the IFA done a month later. He tested positive on both. I guess that is the blood work isn't it. It was another vet that told me that it was in the bone marrow and that it would be better to put him to sleep because we couldn't save them all and that my negatives kitties were being exposed. He didn't exam Tom. I just told him about taking him to a clinic that tested him the first time around and I ran into him when I went to wash a comforter at the laundry mat. Then I took Tom to my regular vet to have the IFA. That is when I started looking for some information on the Felv and found the site for it. I am thankful for that. What a terrible thing for kitties to get.
Barbara BaassHideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:







Was Tom tested positive on the blood test (I know sometimes they test as negative when the virus is in the bone marrow, but not in blood) 
 
I am not sure what percentage of the cases when a kitty is positive for the FeLV virus, but tested negative on the blood work since its in the bone marrow only.
 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara BaassSent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:04 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: average lifespan
 

Doesn't seem to be a long life span. Looks like maybe 3 to 5 or 6 years. I believe that Tom was born with this because it is in the bone marrow. He probably got it from his mother. It is a shame that we have to go through pain and suffering before we die. At least most of the time we do.

Barbra BaassTerri Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Samantha was 3 (1999)

Arielle was 4-1/2 (2001)

Gareth was 6-1/2 (2003)

Alec was 5-1/2 (2003)

 

Salome' is still with me.  She's 9.

 

RuthieGirl was 6 months (1996 -- not a FeLV related death; she was Salome's littermate).

Siggie, Sammi, and Guinevere are FeLV negative.

 

=^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^=

 

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- Original Message - 

From: Gloria B. Lane 

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 11:44 PM

Subject: Re: average lifespan

 
Yo Jenn -My darling Calawalla Banana Boo-boo was 3 years old. (2004)My sweet Mittens was maybe 2.5 yrs. (2003)My baby Mr. Black kitty was FIV and FELV+ - vet said he was 18.  I don't believe it.  Think he was a bit younger than that - 10 yrs maybe? (2002)Gloria>Well, my Moogie, who was born with FELV, lived 18 months, but it >varies widely, and also, I did not take drastic measures to prolong >her life. Had I done everything to the extreme, she may have lived >to be 2 years old. I'm not really sure what the "average" life span >of FELV+ cats is, but one study has been done on the lifespan >expectations for cats infected with feline leukemia virus that >tested persistently viremic (continuously tested positive). In the >study, reported by Dr. Susan Cotter in the
 November 1991 issue of >the Journal of the AVMA, most cats died within two years but about >20% of the cats lived three or more years. Of course, if everyone >here tells you how old their FELV+ furangels were when they passed >on, then you'll get a good sampling, and be able to draw your own >conclusions, but you'll have to know how long they had the virus, >not just how long they lived, because some of them may have caught >it later in life, and that would skew the numbers.>>This could potentially be a very interesting thread, I wonder if we >qualify as a "study group"?>>Jenn>http://ucat.us>http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html



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Re: average lifespan

2005-05-31 Thread Barbara Baass

Doesn't seem to be a long life span. Looks like maybe 3 to 5 or 6 years. I believe that Tom was born with this because it is in the bone marrow. He probably got it from his mother. It is a shame that we have to go through pain and suffering before we die. At least most of the time we do.
Barbra BaassTerri Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





Samantha was 3 (1999)
Arielle was 4-1/2 (2001)
Gareth was 6-1/2 (2003)
Alec was 5-1/2 (2003)
 
Salome' is still with me.  She's 9.
 
RuthieGirl was 6 months (1996 -- not a FeLV related death; she was Salome's littermate).
Siggie, Sammi, and Guinevere are FeLV negative.
 
=^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^=
 
Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350

- Original Message - 
From: Gloria B. Lane 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: average lifespan
Yo Jenn -My darling Calawalla Banana Boo-boo was 3 years old. (2004)My sweet Mittens was maybe 2.5 yrs. (2003)My baby Mr. Black kitty was FIV and FELV+ - vet said he was 18.  I don't believe it.  Think he was a bit younger than that - 10 yrs maybe? (2002)Gloria>Well, my Moogie, who was born with FELV, lived 18 months, but it >varies widely, and also, I did not take drastic measures to prolong >her life. Had I done everything to the extreme, she may have lived >to be 2 years old. I'm not really sure what the "average" life span >of FELV+ cats is, but one study has been done on the lifespan >expectations for cats infected with feline leukemia virus that >tested persistently viremic (continuously tested positive). In the >study, reported by Dr. Susan Cotter in the November 1991 issue of >the Journal of the AVMA, most cats died within two years but about
 >20% of the cats lived three or more years. Of course, if everyone >here tells you how old their FELV+ furangels were when they passed >on, then you'll get a good sampling, and be able to draw your own >conclusions, but you'll have to know how long they had the virus, >not just how long they lived, because some of them may have caught >it later in life, and that would skew the numbers.>>This could potentially be a very interesting thread, I wonder if we >qualify as a "study group"?>>Jenn>http://ucat.us>http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
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Re: average lifespan

2005-05-31 Thread Barbara Baass

What a terrible thing to have to go through Belinda. Tom's is in the bone marrow. What a terrible disease to have. I am not looking forward to this when the time comes.
Barbara BaassBelinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Barbara,We never found out, his count was at 6 when I took him in, he was still acting fairly normal and eating pretty good, but his breathing was off and for a few days pryor he wasn't following his usual routine, so I knew something was wrong. His breathing had only started to sound labored (he was also breathing faster than normal), that day and that's why I took him to the vet. She was in shock when his bloodwork came back and it was at 6, she said he should be dead. She recomended euthanasia right then and there, well Frankie was my soul kitty and I wasn't ready for that. She said we could do a tranfusion but it would only help for a few weeks then he'd be back in the same shape, she also said it was painful. I told her I'd take him home and bring him back the next morning after we talked and decided what to do. He passed away
that night at 11PM. He hid it very well, he was acting very normal up until his breating was off, the only reason I even suspected something may be up a day or two before that was he wasn't following his daily routine. He always came to bed and laid on my chest and stomach sucked and kneaded my arm and fell asleep, every night for years. he was still coming to bed and and sucking on my arm, but he would get up after a few minutes and leave, so I knew something wasn't right, it was a few days later that his breathing got bad and I took him to the vet. Frankie was a big cat he weighed 18 pounds and he hadn't lost any weight or anything, he tried very hard not to worry Mom and fooled me completely, I'm very over protective now. This was way before I knew aboutt his list or had a computer. Thank God for the internet and this group!!-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties
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Re: average lifespan

2005-05-31 Thread Barbara Baass

Belinda, was this in the bone marrow? I think I have decided to keep "Tom." I have gotten too attached to him and here I am suppose to be a foster mom.
Barbara BaassBelinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Stomatitis info Thalidomide

2005-05-27 Thread Barbara Baass

I figured out how to send it to the whole group.
Barbara Baass
Feline chronic lymphocytic plasmacytic stomatitis/gingivitis
http://www.gla.ac.uk/companion/stomatitis.htm
Case study
Feb 2000.
Lucky is a MN DSH. He was referred to GUVS by his veterinary surgeon, Mr Gerry Henry, who had extracted most of his teeth (the treatment of choice for this condition). Mr Henry had also treated Lucky with extensive broad spectrum antibiotics and on referral, Lucky had only a sparse culture of Moraxella. Lucky was negative for FeLV and FIV, but feline calicivirus (FCV) was isolated. Treatment was begun with 50 mg thalidomide sid and 200 mg lactoferrin powder (kindly donated by Ko Shiino, Morinaga Foods, Germany) applied directly to the lesions daily.
Sep 2000 Lucky has now improved considerably. He has stopped shedding FCV. He has been changed to Butcher's Classic Cat Food could that be significant?
May 2001. Lucky is 100% recovered and is still FCV negative. Dec 2002 - Lucky still has a healthy mouth!
Cause
While the exact aetiology of feline chronic lymphocytic plasmacytic stomatitis is not proven, it is probably caused by combination of feline calicivirus (FCV) infection and the cat's inappropriate immune reaction within the stomatitis lesions (shift from normal Th type 1 response (cellular) to a mixed Th type 1 and 2 (humoral) response. Harley et al, 1999).
Treatment is aimed at restoring normal mouth flora (healthy cat's mouths have predominantly Pasteurella multocida, 50% of cats with stomatitis have spirochaetes), trying to eliminate FCV, and shifting the immune response back to type 1. For the latter, it is not a good idea to use corticosteroids, but a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory safe for the cat.
In addition, it is possible that some irritant in Lucky's food predisposed him to this condition. In humans, chronic stomatitis can be due to intolerance to food additives, especially in chewing gum or Irn Bru. Just before Lucky dramatically improved, his food had been changed to the additive-free Butcher's Classic Cat Food - we cannot tell whether or not the food change aided his recovery.
Diagnosis
Send an oral swab in viral transport medium (vtm) to Companion for FCV isolation (£13.00 plus VAT). You may also wish to send a biopsy of the lesion in 10% formol saline (from £18.00 plus VAT).
To request vtm,
email Companion,
or phone 0141 330 5777.
Treatment
The treatment we currently recommend is as follows: Metacam (continually, or until complete healing), Antirobe for 6 weeks, Classic cat food (continually or until complete healing), 1MU Virbagen Omega per kg every other day subcutaneously for 5 injections, thereafter monitor calicivirus shedding and give injections as required. At this stage we do not know how many injections these cats require watch this space! We hope to extend the interval between injections to every 3 days.
Antibiotics
Antirobe 5mg/kg bid for 6 weeks
NOT Metronidazole 4-6 weeks (however, metronidazole has a suppressant effect on cell mediated immunity in mice, and may be less desirable in this condition where CMI is preferable to the humoral response).
Interferon
Feline interferon: Virbac have recently introduced feline recombinant interferon (Virbagen Omega).
Dose: 1 MU/kg, or 0.1 ml/kg of the reconstituted solution, once every other day for 5 treatments. Thereafter
Suppliers: NVS,
Abbeyvet
Human interferons: Intron A (human recombinant interferon) obtained as 3M I.U. from local pharmacist (write a prescription). Dilute in one litre of saline, aliquot into 1ml volumes, freeze for up to a year. Defrost as required, dilute 1:100 to get 30 I.U. per millilitre, keep refrigerated for up to a week.
Treat continually, until FCV shedding ceases.
Dose: 30 I.U. per day orally
Anti-inflammatories
Corticosteroids should be AVOIDED because although the cat may improve initially, ultimately the condition will worsen or become more chronic. For preference, use non-steroidal anti-inflammatories.
Metacam
Metacam is preferable to steroids in the control of this condition. In our study, both controls and the IFN omega group are being put onto Metacam.
Dose:
Day 1: 0.3mg/kg sid with food
Days 2-7: 0.1mg/kg sid with food
Thereafter reduce the dose until you find the minimum that keeps the cat comfortable: most cats will maintain on 1-2 drops per cat per day.
Thalidomide
At present, we are unable to source thalidomide in the UK and are putting all of our cases onto Metacam.
Thalidomide is a good anti-inflammatory to use in this condition but is difficult to obtain. If you do manage to get it, remember to explain to the owner that thalidomide is not licensed for the cat.
Dose: 1-2 x 50 mg capsules per day given in the evening
NOT to be used in pregnant queens
Ketofen
1mg/kg sid per os for 5 days
Aspirin
10-25 mg/kg every 48 hours
Food
Food is a very important feature in this condition. Most

Re: Taurine for immune function

2005-05-27 Thread Barbara Baass

Barb,
Yes, my vet is aware of this. He said it is working on dogs and cats in two countries. You can't get it in this country though. I will send you the information through your E-Mail. Don't know how to send an attachment. This cat lucky was on it and his mouth is cleared up completely.
Barbara BaassBarb Moermond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

THALIDOMIDE??
I'm unaware of the non-human benefits of this drug, but it is a strong anti-nausea drug that was banned in this country because of the massive number birth defects it caused. It was given to pregnant women as an aid with morning sickness and it was effective for that, but thousands of babies were born without limbs and other serious defects. I know that it is still used in some countries in conjunction with chemotherapy to help control nausea, but I would be very very careful about this one!Barbara Baass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Mia,
I was wondering if you knew where to get "thalidomide?" We may have found a way to cure Stomatitis from another country, but I need to figure out where to get this one thing that goes into it. My vet is going to try it on Samson. it has worked on other kitties. We have sent him the information that we got from a member on the Stomatitis site on the internet.
Barbara BaassMia Nicer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thanks for this info Nina. I will try this also.
MiaNina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.healthylife.net/RadioShow/archiveAC.htm>Hi Everybody,I just got this link from my IBD list for an online archive radio show (Kat Berard's Animal Corner). Fasinating stuff. I've already listened to 3 of the shows, one on AC, one about wolves, and the interview with Michelle Bernard about feeding a raw food diet to cats. In this last one, Michelle mentioned how Taurine is even more important to immune function and the prevention of URIs than Lysine. I intend to start adding a pinch of Taurine to all my cats food as a regular practice. Hey, it can't hurt, and it just might help!Nina

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Re: Taurine for immune function

2005-05-27 Thread Barbara Baass


Hi Mia,
I was wondering if you knew where to get "thalidomide?" We may have found a way to cure Stomatitis from another country, but I need to figure out where to get this one thing that goes into it. My vet is going to try it on Samson. it has worked on other kitties. We have sent him the information that we got from a member on the Stomatitis site on the internet.
Barbara BaassMia Nicer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thanks for this info Nina. I will try this also.
 
MiaNina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.healthylife.net/RadioShow/archiveAC.htm>Hi Everybody,I just got this link from my IBD list for an online archive radio show (Kat Berard's Animal Corner). Fasinating stuff. I've already listened to 3 of the shows, one on AC, one about wolves, and the interview with Michelle Bernard about feeding a raw food diet to cats. In this last one, Michelle mentioned how Taurine is even more important to immune function and the prevention of URIs than Lysine. I intend to start adding a pinch of Taurine to all my cats food as a regular practice. Hey, it can't hurt, and it just might help!Nina

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Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: Digby has passed ....

2005-05-26 Thread Barbara Baass

I am so sorry for your loss, and glad that Digby did not suffer. It was a nice thing for your vet to come to the house. I had a CRF kitty that died in pain 4 years ago that and it was so heart breaking to see. I hope i never have to go through that again. How old was Digby?
Barbara BaassMarlene Chornie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Dear Group,
 
    It is with great sadness that I tell you that Digby crossed over on Tues. evening (Mar. 24th).  I had taken him to the vet clinic that morning, to obtain some repeat blood work to check his numbers from the previous week.  Our intent was to then take him the next morning to see his regular vet for a follow-up assessment and results from the blood tests, and then more than likely make our "decision".  
    We had been syringe feeding him this past weekend, since Sat. evening when he just couldn't/wouldn't take anything we had been hand feeding him.  Thankfully, this kept his strength and weight up.  In between feedings, he was comfortable in his various "safe places" sleeping.  Late Tues. afternoon, after he used the litter box he immediately became winded - laid down on the floor, panting and softly moaning when he exhaled.  I knew that was his "sign" to me.  I called my husband to come home from work and when he arrived we called the vet clinic.  They had run their own PCV (Hematocrit), and it was down to 10% (N = 24 - 45%).  Two of the vets came to the house after we had some time to spend with Digby.  One of the vets had requested to come with the other one, as she had come here last summer to help our CRF baby "Casper" cross, and said she wanted to be with us this time as well.  We were very touched by her
 compassion and concern for us.  
    Digby passed very peacefully in his favourite spot - in our bay window on a pillow looking outside at the birds.  He gently laid his head down and closed his eyes.  We were so relieved at the peacefulness and tranquility of it.
    That morning, I had discussed our wishes with the vet clinic.  Digby will be separately cremated and his ashes returned to us in an urn.  We made it known to them that if they wished to autopsy him for tissue samples, etc. to gain perhaps some more insight into Feline Leukemia, that was O.K. with us.  Our thought is that perhaps Digby's passing can serve some greater good for others suffering with this.  They felt that the Animal Health Lab at the Veterinary College in our province would be interested in samples, to add the information to their database.  This lab is the one that had done most of Digby's blood tests.
    I will continue to read the posts on this forum, as our other furbaby Pekoe is also FelV+.  He's doing fine healthwise - as far as we know.  I believe he realizes that Digby isn't here anymore, but I know he'll be fine.  Many thanks to all of you for sharing your trials and tribulations.  I would like to share a phrase with you that I came across just yesterday.  I find it very consoling at this time - 
 
"A gentle sleep is sometimes the kindest answer to the most impossible question of all ..."
 
Marlene
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Re: felv cat \needs placement/Tom~Barbara

2005-05-20 Thread Barbara Baass


Yes, Pattie, I think that Tom has stolen my heart in th 6 months he has been here. He has so many special ways about him. He has quite a personalty. I wonder if I would be doing the wrong thing by keeping him when I have 4 non-positive ones that are being exposed. By then are they really being exposed since we don't know that much about felv? You sort of go back & forth with this in your mind. 
Barbara[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



In a message dated 5/19/2005 7:55:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
and then my heart sank. I am not sure that I want to give Tom up.

Oh Barbara! Could it be that Tom has stolen your heart??
If your heart is "sinking" over this then I would summise that Tom has found his furever home with his special person.
Seems to me, Barbara, you are Tom's chosen one!
And if you are harboring even the "least, little doubt" about giving him up, follow your heart
Patti

 
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Re: Fwd: felv cat \needs placement

2005-05-20 Thread Barbara Baass

Nina, I am in Austin, Texas. You are probably right. I guess it won't hurt to meet her and see what kind of person she is and why she wants a felv kitty and sort of go from there.Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Barbara,Don't despair, I think Patti's right, Tom already has his forever home, (I've thought so all along). If you've found a good placement for a FelV kitty, find this nice lady another! We need all the homes we can find for these guys. Each and every one is extremely special, we've talked about it on the list over and over again. The woman who wants to adopt Tom won't be disappointed with whoever you find for her. Where are you again? Let us help you find another FeLV kitty for her!NinaBarbara Baass wrote:

You might try posting in church's and also in the business college's. I have had a lot of response. I have a lady coming by tomorrow to fill out an application for Tom. She is going to Virigina College for Medical Billing & coding. She knows about Felv and then my heart sank. I am not sure that I want to give Tom up. I have gotten so attached to him and he is so smart. I guess I will have to see how it goes.
BarbaraTenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
have permission to cross-post this; more info re: the place the kittyis--a holistic vet has been running a small rescue out of her twoclinics, but is having to move them all to the smaller one--has nofacilities for FeLVs kitty was originally tested positive inoctober of last year, then again recently, so his positive status ispretty definitelana will coordinate communication with the vet/her staff, and/or giveanyone interested their contact info. if anyone can help, contact lanaat [EMAIL PROTECTED]. (she's gonna post the kitty to theadopt.bemikitties.com side of this.)thanks!MC-- Forwarded message --From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: May 18, 2005 12:58 PMSubject: felv cat \needs placementA small rescue near Chicago, IL in is closing. . They have one youngmale felv kitty who needs placement. He is 2 years old, a black SH, fivnegative, up to date on distemper combo and rabies shots, wormed, free offleas/earmites. He is healthy and friendly. They need to find a placefor this boy as soon as possible. He orginally came from a Chicagosuburban town animal control as a friendly stray, so someone hadoriginally dumped him outside to fend for himself. He has had sad daysbehind him, and they hope to find a place for him to live out the rest ofhis life happily. I will post/work on transport, so out of town placesare all right in they are in the Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Wisconsin,Michigan areas. Please email me priviately if you know of anyindividuals or rescues who take felv kitties in those states. Thank
you.Thanks.Lana-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892

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Re: Fwd: felv cat \needs placement

2005-05-19 Thread Barbara Baass

You might try posting in church's and also in the business college's. I have had a lot of response. I have a lady coming by tomorrow to fill out an application for Tom. She is going to Virigina College for Medical Billing & coding. She knows about Felv and then my heart sank. I am not sure that I want to give Tom up. I have gotten so attached to him and he is so smart. I guess I will have to see how it goes.
BarbaraTenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
have permission to cross-post this; more info re: the place the kittyis--a holistic vet has been running a small rescue out of her twoclinics, but is having to move them all to the smaller one--has nofacilities for FeLVs kitty was originally tested positive inoctober of last year, then again recently, so his positive status ispretty definitelana will coordinate communication with the vet/her staff, and/or giveanyone interested their contact info. if anyone can help, contact lanaat [EMAIL PROTECTED] (she's gonna post the kitty to theadopt.bemikitties.com side of this.)thanks!MC-- Forwarded message --From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: May 18, 2005 12:58 PMSubject: felv cat \needs placementA small rescue near Chicago, IL in is closing. . They have one
youngmale felv kitty who needs placement. He is 2 years old, a black SH, fivnegative, up to date on distemper combo and rabies shots, wormed, free offleas/earmites. He is healthy and friendly. They need to find a placefor this boy as soon as possible. He orginally came from a Chicagosuburban town animal control as a friendly stray, so someone hadoriginally dumped him outside to fend for himself. He has had sad daysbehind him, and they hope to find a place for him to live out the rest ofhis life happily. I will post/work on transport, so out of town placesare all right in they are in the Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Wisconsin,Michigan areas. Please email me priviately if you know of anyindividuals or rescues who take felv kitties in those states. Thank you.Thanks.Lana-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
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Re: Jenn - the question of euthanasia

2005-05-18 Thread Barbara Baass


I wish I would have since enough to put my "Princess" to sleep, but I just couldn't seem to let go. She had CRF. She got down to 4 pounds and had to be on sub-q fluids. This was 5 years ago and I still think about it.I know in my heart that was not the right thing to do, but just couldn't let her go. She died in front of me and it was horrible.
I just hope that when Tom's felve becomes active that I will know when it is time to do the right thing. I know that I wouldn't want to be put through all of that.
BarbaraNina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jenn,I don't know if we're in the minority, or not. I am very grateful that we have the option of euthanasia available to us for our furred loved ones. I too would very much appreciate someone who loves me enough being able to help me cross if, when my time comes, I am suffering with no relieve or cure available. I think Switzerland allows assisted crossings for their citizens, maybe, if I have enough notice... What was the quote, MC? "Better to send them to the bridge one day too soon than 5 minutes too late". That quote helped me alot when I was steeped in doubt, mourning the loss of my Jazz and questioning the decision that at the time, I KNEW was the right one under the circumstances. It's such an individual, case by case, decision. Look at my Gypsy. Everyone, and I mean everyone, I know has told me to pts. If I were looking
 at it from the outside, I'd have been advising the same thing. Something in the communication we share told me to hold on, to continue to fight for her. I made her a promise to do just that, till the end. There have been times when I was questioning that decision. Times when I thought I was being cruel and unjust to allow her to continue to suffer. But damn, if she isn't making a rebound! (Quick, say a prayer!)I don't think you had come back to the list when we sat vigil with Michelle and her Simon. That ordeal changed my mind about judging (not that I think you are judging, but I'm afraid I was at the beginning), what is appropriate for someone else in regard to any decisions they feel compelled to make when they are in the mists of losing an animal. Michelle struggled so valiantly and, the most important aspect, for me, was that Simon held on and struggled just as valiantly. My guess is that he did that for her. Because
 it was important for her to have an opportunity to save him, just a little more time, just one more effort, etc. They shared something miraculous in those short weeks, even if it wasn't the miracle that Michelle and the rest of us had been praying for. Perhaps there is a lesson in all this for Lisa and Akira, or even one of us helplessly standing by, that we can't comprehend at the moment. I don't know. I just know that it's important to support each other in whatever we decide to do, because we're so damn hard on ourselves regardless of what decisions we ultimately end up making.I just wanted to say thank you. Thank you for voicing your opinion, even though it did seem you were in the minority. I think that along with the invaluable knowledge shared and the moral support given, the next important thing we can do for each other is to speak up and let our opinions be known.No shrinking violet
 me,Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> I've not been responding with any suggestions so far, because I'm > probably in the minority in my opinion, but I think she is suffering > needlessly, and that HUMANE euthanasia would be the kindest thing for > her at this point. I do not think that putting her through all the > invasive procedures of biopsies and feeding tubes is the right thing > to do. I know that if I ever get to that point, I HOPE that someone > will have the kindness to ease my suffering and end my dwindling life > (hopefully it will be legal by then). That's just how I feel though, > and I'm not you, and she's not my cat, and I do not want you to in any > way think that I am judging you, or criticizing your actions. It's > just that you asked for opinions so many times, and I held my tongue a > few times, but your plea has finally given me the will to say what I > know will
 probably be my unpopular opinion. Whatever you decide, > PLEASE make sure it is the decision that your heart tells you is the > RIGHT one, because I know what living with regret every day feels > like, and I don't want anyone to feel that kind of pain! My sincerest > wishes of peace and understanding go out to you and Akira!> <>> Jenn
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Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe

2005-05-15 Thread Barbara Baass

Oh, also forgot. A lady is interested in "Tom" but said she was going to check out this site because she didn't know that much avout FeLv. She changed her mind about Tom because of not knowing much about FeLv. I told her that it was a virus and that it was not active and may never be active and that a member had a kitty that was twenty years old with it and she mixed her positive one with the non-positive ones and non ever came up positive. Her name is Stephaine in case she does get on this site. I guess I need to re-word my ad, since no one knows what FeLv. I don't think I will ever find him a home because of what he has.
Barbara
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Barbara,
I though that Samson had FeLv, am glad to hear that he does not. The journal is for infectious diseases. See my Fantasia had uclers which made him cry and have a hard time eating. If Samson doesn't have uclers who said he has Stomatitis.
Georgette
-Original Message-From: Barbara Baass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Sat, 14 May 2005 16:28:57 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe

Hi Georgette,
Samson doesn't have FeLv. His mouth is not a severe case. Thank god for that. Let me know what it says in the journal. He doesn't have uclers. He is on a small dose of steroids right now. a 30 day supply. they seem to helping.
Barbara[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Barbara,
Sorry I didnt get to you until now. I dont always get time for my emails. Does your Vet know about the uclers in Samsons mouth. It is caused from the FeLv. It is a pill given orally. I am not out home when I get home I will look up the article in the journal for infections in cats. Will write back tomorrow with info. Again I am sorry about not getting back too you. Hope when I get you the info It helps your Samson like it helped my Fantasia.
Talk to you soon Georgette
P.S. I hope Samson is well
-Original Message-From: Gloria B. Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Sat, 14 May 2005 07:27:53 -0500Subject: Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe

Golden Seal is an herb with antibiotic, antiviral properties. If you get cut or scratched (or your kitty), it promotes healing - kind of like it's name, "Golden Seal". It's good for ulcers in the corner of your mouth, or inside. You have to be careful with taking it internally, just like synthetic pharmaceuticals. But it's supposed to have some good properties for healing infections internatlly too. Gloria That is interesting to know that it is Golden Seal and not gold seal. I wonder how that is suppose to clear Samson's mouth up. Georgette, the person that told me about it has not responded to any of my E-Mails on this. Maybe her computer is down. that is interesting to know that it is a herb. Barbara "Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: Hi Barbara - that's interesting! I use Golden Seal, and love it. I don't know much about it's use internally, but do use it as a mouth wash, and have recently used it on my kitties as a mouth wash. Course the kitty swallowed it, but hey, that's all right, I just don't know much about it. I get it at the health food store - buy it dry in capsules, and open them up. For a mouth wash, can mix it in water. For this kitty, I mixed it with water or Georges Aloe Vera and used a syringe to squirt it in the mouth. Also gave him a bunch of other things, including Dr. Belfield's vitamin C. I put it on any cuts or scratches that I get (or a cat or dog), and use it myself on cold sores, mouth ulcers, etc. Gloria Hi Georgette, My vet wants to try the gold seal on
Samson. He couldn't find it on the internet. Is it an injection, power or what? Let me know. Barbara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Barbara; My name is Georgette. Your email didnt say were you live. I have a Pet sitting service and I specialize in animals with special needs. I was a vet Teck. I also read in your email that your one angel has thryoid problems. My Tafty had thryoid problems and I had the Iodione Treatment done with one injection and a four day stay in the hospital because it is radioative and now your thryoid is back to normal. And Samson that has Stomatitis. Take him to a Dental Vet that does nothing but dental work on animals and deals with Stomatitis. Have the pockets of the teeth cleaned out and all the teeth but the four canie
in the front left in and put the cat on gold seal. My Fantasia had Stomatitis when I had all the teeth out except for the four canie and put him on gold seal he never had a nother problem with the Stomatitis. But make sure they clean the pockets of the teeths out. My Fantasia was FeLv Positive and it is from that. Fantasia is on the other side now since August 14, 2004. I looked up Stomatitis in vet medical books and found out what to do. Keep iin touc

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2005-05-15 Thread Barbara Baass

Actually I believe they are uclers. My room mate said they were. He is being treated by my vet of 40 years. He doesn't have FeLv though, which of course is rare. She had the test done for that when he was one year old.
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2005-05-14 Thread Barbara Baass

Golden Seal is an herb with antibiotic, antiviral properties. If you get cut or scratched (or your kitty), it promotes healing - kind of like it's name, "Golden Seal". It's good for ulcers in the corner of your mouth, or inside. You have to be careful with taking it internally, just like synthetic pharmaceuticals. But it's supposed to have some good properties for healing infections internatlly too. Gloria That is interesting to know that it is Golden Seal and not gold seal. I wonder how that is suppose to clear Samson's mouth up. Georgette, the person that told me about it has not responded to any of my E-Mails on this. Maybe her computer is down. that is interesting to know that it is a herb. Barbara "Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Barbara - that's
interesting! I use Golden Seal, and love it. I don't know much about it's use internally, but do use it as a mouth wash, and have recently used it on my kitties as a mouth wash. Course the kitty swallowed it, but hey, that's all right, I just don't know much about it. I get it at the health food store - buy it dry in capsules, and open them up. For a mouth wash, can mix it in water. For this kitty, I mixed it with water or Georges Aloe Vera and used a syringe to squirt it in the mouth. Also gave him a bunch of other things, including Dr. Belfield's vitamin C. I put it on any cuts or scratches that I get (or a cat or dog), and use it myself on cold sores, mouth ulcers, etc. Gloria Hi Georgette, My vet wants to try the gold seal on Samson. He couldn't find it on the
internet. Is it an injection, power or what? Let me know. Barbara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Barbara; My name is Georgette. Your email didnt say were you live. I have a Pet sitting service and I specialize in animals with special needs. I was a vet Teck. I also read in your email that your one angel has thryoid problems. My Tafty had thryoid problems and I had the Iodione Treatment done with one injection and a four day stay in the hospital because it is radioative and now your thryoid is back to normal. And Samson that has Stomatitis. Take him to a Dental Vet that does nothing but dental work on animals and deals with Stomatitis. Have the pockets of the teeth cleaned out and all the teeth but the four canie in the front left in and put the cat on gold seal. My
Fantasia had Stomatitis when I had all the teeth out except for the four canie and put him on gold seal he never had a nother problem with the Stomatitis. But make sure they clean the pockets of the teeths out. My Fantasia was FeLv Positive and it is from that. Fantasia is on the other side now since August 14, 2004. I looked up Stomatitis in vet medical books and found out what to do. Keep iin touch I use to be a Vet Teck. -Original Message- From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, 10 May 2005 07:28:25 -0700 Subject: Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe .AOLPlainTextBody { margin: 0px; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12px; color: #000; background-color: #fff; } .AOLPlainTextBody pre { font-size: 9pt;
} .AOLInlineAttachment { margin: 10px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader { border-bottom: 2px solid #E9EAEB; background: #F9F9F9; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .Title { font: 11px Tahoma; font-weight: bold; color: #66; background: #E9EAEB; padding: 3px 0px 1px 10px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldLabel { font: 11px Tahoma; font-weight: bold; color: #66; padding: 1px 10px 1px 9px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldValue { font: 11px Tahoma; color: #33; } > *I have not been any where over night for 7 >years. There is just not any one to trust >conpletely.*> Oh yeah Barbara, it sounds like Tom has steered you to the right group of people! You're definitely one of us! Nina Barbara Baass wrote: > *Problem is that I don't have family here and >few friends that I have > are

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2005-05-14 Thread Barbara Baass

I will have to check out the google site.TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
i hadn't realized there WAS such a website, actually, just did agoogle search--but i used to have the books by the same name.(lost in the divorce back in 79!) so was excited to see it!
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2005-05-13 Thread Barbara Baass

That is interesting to know that it is Golden Seal and not gold seal. I wonder how that is suppose to clear Samson's mouth up. Georgette, the person that told me about it has not responded to any of my E-Mails on this. Maybe her computer is down. that is interesting to know that it is a herb.
Barbara"Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Barbara - that's interesting! I use Golden Seal, and love it. I don't know much about it's use internally, but do use it as a mouth wash, and have recently used it on my kitties as a mouth wash. Course the kitty swallowed it, but hey, that's all right, I just don't know much about it.I get it at the health food store - buy it dry in capsules, and open them up. For a mouth wash, can mix it in water. For this kitty, I mixed it with water or Georges Aloe Vera and used a syringe to squirt it in the mouth. Also gave him a bunch of other things, including Dr. Belfield's vitamin C.I put it on any cuts or scratches that I get (or a cat or dog), and use it myself on cold sores, mouth ulcers, etc.GloriaHi Georgette,My vet wants to try the gold seal on Samson. He couldn't find it on the
 internet. Is it an injection, power or what? Let me know.Barbara[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Barbara; My name is Georgette. Your email didnt say were you live. I have a Pet sitting service and I specialize in animals with special needs. I was a vet Teck. I also read in your email that your one angel has thryoid problems. My Tafty had thryoid problems and I had the Iodione Treatment done with one injection and a four day stay in the hospital because it is radioative and now your thryoid is back to normal. And Samson that has Stomatitis. Take him to a Dental Vet that does nothing but dental work on animals and deals with Stomatitis. Have the pockets of the teeth cleaned out and all the teeth but the four canie in the front left in and put the cat on gold seal. My Fantasia had Stomatitis when I had all the teeth out except for the four canie and put him on gold seal he never had a nother problem
 with the Stomatitis. But make sure they clean the pockets of the teeths out. My Fantasia was FeLv Positive and it is from that. Fantasia is on the other side now since August 14, 2004. I looked up Stomatitis in vet medical books and found out what to do. Keep iin touch I use to be a Vet Teck.-Original Message-From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Tue, 10 May 2005 07:28:25 -0700Subject: Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe.AOLPlainTextBody { margin: 0px; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12px; color: #000; background-color: #fff; } .AOLPlainTextBody pre { font-size: 9pt; } .AOLInlineAttachment { margin: 10px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader { border-bottom: 2px solid #E9EAEB; background: #F9F9F9; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .Title { font: 11px Tahoma; font-weight: bold; color: #66; background: #E9EAEB; padding: 3px 0px 1px 10px; }
 .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldLabel { font: 11px Tahoma; font-weight: bold; color: #66; padding: 1px 10px 1px 9px; } .AOLAttachmentHeader .FieldValue { font: 11px Tahoma; color: #33; }> *I have not been any where over night for 7 >years. There is just not any one to trust >conpletely.*>Oh yeah Barbara, it sounds like Tom has steered you to the right group of people! You're definitely one of us!NinaBarbara Baass wrote:> *Problem is that I don't have family here and >few friends that I have > are not cat lovers.*> *Had a bad experience with cat sitter. She was >suppose to come by > twice a day and I came home >early and caught her here at around 2:00 > that >afternoon. It was suppose to be in the morning >and in the > afternoon. I was mad. I had a CRF >kitty at the time. I wondered how > long she had >been coming by like that, only
 once a day and my >getting > charged twice. I had another sitter >and she was great. She wrote down > every thing >from the time she came till the time she left. >She moved > to Houston though. I only had two >kitties then. Now I have 5, so I > have not been >any where over night for 7 years. There is just >not any > one to trust conpletely. Mitsy has to >have thyroid pills twice a day > and Samson has >to have steriod pills every day because of the >Stomatitis.*> *Barbara*> * *>> */Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:>> I live in an apt house & made arrangements with my superÄôs son to> come in twice a day to feed, water, & clean out the boxes. HeÄôs> been doing this for me since he was 13 & the advantage is that he> doesnÄôt have to travel, I know his parents make sure he comes
 up,> and if anything is wrong in the apt., his father would be right> there. He & his parents have my cell phone number & I call every> few days. He also has the name/phone of a

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2005-05-13 Thread Barbara Baass

So it is an herb. The person that send me the information said it was gold seal. No wonder my vet couldn't find it on the internet.
BarbaraTenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
golden seal is an herb; i know it's available as a powder--oh, gloria?where ARE you? try a google search for itOn 5/12/05, Barbara Baass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> Hi Georgette, > My vet wants to try the gold seal on Samson. He couldn't find it on the> internet. Is it an injection, power or what? Let me know. > Barbara > -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
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2005-05-13 Thread Barbara Baass

A friend of mine moved here from Kansas and brought her kitty in a carrier. She did stops for him to give him water and food and spend a little time with him and stayed in a motel that night so he wouldn't be stressed out and had his litter box. He did just great. You have to be sure he gets to go to the bathroom on the road too. For sure don't drive straight through. Karolyn Lount <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi, It should be no trouble to take your cats with you. Lots of peopledrive across country with cats. The first thing is you should not planon driving straight thru. That is dangerous to you and other people onthe road
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2005-05-12 Thread Barbara Baass

Hi Georgette,
 My vet wants to try the gold seal on Samson. He couldn't find it on the internet. Is it an injection, power or what? Let me know. 
Barbara
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Hi Barbara; My name is Georgette. Your email didnt say were you live. I have a Pet sitting service and I specialize in animals with special needs.  I was a vet Teck.  I also read in your email that your one angel has thryoid problems. My Tafty had thryoid problems and I had the Iodione Treatment done with one injection and a four day stay in the hospital because it is radioative and now your thryoid is back to normal.  And Samson that has Stomatitis. Take him to a Dental Vet that does nothing but dental work on animals and deals with Stomatitis.  Have the pockets of the teeth cleaned out and all the teeth but the four canie in the front left in and put the cat on gold seal.  My Fantasia had Stomatitis when I had all the teeth out except for the four canie and put him on gold seal he never had a nother problem with the Stomatitis.  But make sure they clean the pockets of the teeths out.  My Fantasia was FeLv Positive and it
 is from that. Fantasia is on the other side now since August 14, 2004.  I looked up Stomatitis in vet medical books and found out what to do. Keep iin touch I use to be a Vet Teck. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  -Original Message-From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Tue, 10 May 2005 07:28:25 -0700Subject: Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe


> *I have not been any where over night for 7 years. There is just not any one to trust conpletely.*>  Oh yeah Barbara, it sounds like Tom has steered you to the right group of people! You're definitely one of us! Nina  Barbara Baass wrote:  > *Problem is that I don't have family here and few friends that I have > are not cat lovers.* > *Had a bad experience with cat sitter. She was suppose to come by > twice a day and I came home early and caught her here at around 2:00 > that afternoon. It was suppose to be in the morning and in the > afternoon. I was mad. I had a CRF kitty at the time. I wondered how > long she had been coming by like that, only once a day and my getting > charged twice. I had another sitter and she was great. She wrote down > every thing from the time she came till the time she
 left. She moved > to Houston though. I only had two kitties then. Now I have 5, so I > have not been any where over night for 7 years. There is just not any > one to trust conpletely. Mitsy has to have thyroid pills twice a day > and Samson has to have steriod pills every day because of the Stomatitis.* > *Barbara* > * * > > */Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: > > I live in an apt house & made arrangements with my super’s son to > come in twice a day to feed, water, & clean out the boxes. He’s > been doing this for me since he was 13 & the advantage is that he > doesn’t have to travel, I know his parents make sure he comes up, > and if anything is wrong in the apt., his father would be right > there. He & his parents have my cell phone number & I call
 every > few days. He also has the name/phone of a friend who came to check > in every few days & would handle any medical emergencies. > > /*/Chris/*/ > > /*/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/*/ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -Original Message- > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of > *Barbara Baass > *Sent:* Monday, May 09, 2005 5:53 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe > > **Yes, they more than likely saw what
 they might have to go > through with the possibility of sickness and decided they didn't > want to do that. I explained to them that it wasn't active and may > never be and then it may. I told them you never know what anyone > is going to die of anyhow.** > > **I guess things happen for a reason. I know Tom gets top quality > food here and I noticed they had Iams. I for sure wouldn't want > Tom in a shelter either.** > > **What do you do when you go out of town for a couple days? Do you > have a sitter come in? I thought I had a lot (5) of them. You > really have a lot of them.** > > **Barbara** > > */Terri Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: > > Umm, yes -- I've heard lame excuses like this before.
 Feline > Leukemia is not transmittable to humans. That's the most > ridiculous thing I've ever heard. They probably just didn't > want to deal with the possibility of sickness. > > Tom is better off with you. I mix mine and the negatives are > still negative -- all 3 of them. I don’t vaccinate yearly. If > they're immune, they're immune (imho). > > Some may argue thi

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2005-05-11 Thread Barbara Baass

Samson's mouth is starting to close up again. So in the morning it is off to the vet again. He will probably have to have another shot. Have you heard of anything like this when their throat starts closing up in the back? My vet said that Samson is a rare case. That usually pulling the teeth works. Poor Samson has had so many shots that I just don't know what the end results will be.
Barbara[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Hi Barbara; My name is Georgette. Your email didnt say were you live. I have a Pet sitting service and I specialize in animals with special needs.  I was a vet Teck.  I also read in your email that your one angel has thryoid problems. My Tafty had thryoid problems and I had the Iodione Treatment done with one injection and a four day stay in the hospital because it is radioative and now your thryoid is back to normal.  And Samson that has Stomatitis. Take him to a Dental Vet that does nothing but dental work on animals and deals with Stomatitis.  Have the pockets of the teeth cleaned out and all the teeth but the four canie in the front left in and put the cat on gold seal.  My Fantasia had Stomatitis when I had all the teeth out except for the four canie and put him on gold seal he never had a nother problem with the Stomatitis.  But make sure they clean the pockets of the teeths out.  My Fantasia was FeLv Positive and it
 is from that. Fantasia is on the other side now since August 14, 2004.  I looked up Stomatitis in vet medical books and found out what to do. Keep iin touch I use to be a Vet Teck. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  -Original Message-From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Tue, 10 May 2005 07:28:25 -0700Subject: Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe


> *I have not been any where over night for 7 years. There is just not any one to trust conpletely.*>  Oh yeah Barbara, it sounds like Tom has steered you to the right group of people! You're definitely one of us! Nina  Barbara Baass wrote:  > *Problem is that I don't have family here and few friends that I have > are not cat lovers.* > *Had a bad experience with cat sitter. She was suppose to come by > twice a day and I came home early and caught her here at around 2:00 > that afternoon. It was suppose to be in the morning and in the > afternoon. I was mad. I had a CRF kitty at the time. I wondered how > long she had been coming by like that, only once a day and my getting > charged twice. I had another sitter and she was great. She wrote down > every thing from the time she came till the time she
 left. She moved > to Houston though. I only had two kitties then. Now I have 5, so I > have not been any where over night for 7 years. There is just not any > one to trust conpletely. Mitsy has to have thyroid pills twice a day > and Samson has to have steriod pills every day because of the Stomatitis.* > *Barbara* > * * > > */Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: > > I live in an apt house & made arrangements with my super’s son to > come in twice a day to feed, water, & clean out the boxes. He’s > been doing this for me since he was 13 & the advantage is that he > doesn’t have to travel, I know his parents make sure he comes up, > and if anything is wrong in the apt., his father would be right > there. He & his parents have my cell phone number & I call
 every > few days. He also has the name/phone of a friend who came to check > in every few days & would handle any medical emergencies. > > /*/Chris/*/ > > /*/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/*/ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -Original Message- > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of > *Barbara Baass > *Sent:* Monday, May 09, 2005 5:53 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe > > **Yes, they more than likely saw what
 they might have to go > through with the possibility of sickness and decided they didn't > want to do that. I explained to them that it wasn't active and may > never be and then it may. I told them you never know what anyone > is going to die of anyhow.** > > **I guess things happen for a reason. I know Tom gets top quality > food here and I noticed they had Iams. I for sure wouldn't want > Tom in a shelter either.** > > **What do you do when you go out of town for a couple days? Do you > have a sitter come in? I thought I had a lot (5) of them. You > really have a lot of them.** > > **Barbara** > > */Terri Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: > > Umm, yes -- I've heard lame excuses like this before.
 Feline > Leukemia is not transmittable to humans. That's the most > ridiculous thing I've ever heard. They probably just didn't > want to deal with the possibility of sickness

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2005-05-11 Thread Barbara Baass

I live in Austin, Texas. Where do you live? I had all of Samson's teeth pulled out by our only certified animal dentist that we have here. He has 4 front teeth left. Right now he is on Cortalone(Triam).5 mg:1tab twice a day. He goes to our regular vet for this. They seem to think that it will take a year to clean it up. He doesn't have felv. He tested negative for it. What do they do when they clen out the pockets? Do you think this was done?
How old was Fantasia? Samson is three. He had colon surgery when he was one. Poor Samson, it is on going to the vet every since he was a baby.
This thryoid injection. What did this cost you. I think Dr. Smith mentioned that I could take her to College Station for some type of surgery for the thyroid, but it was very expensive. He said they are suppose to get a vet here soon that does that and that it would be cheaper. Maybe that is what he was talking about.
Barbara[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Hi Barbara; My name is Georgette. Your email didnt say were you live. I have a Pet sitting service and I specialize in animals with special needs.  I was a vet Teck.  I also read in your email that your one angel has thryoid problems. My Tafty had thryoid problems and I had the Iodione Treatment done with one injection and a four day stay in the hospital because it is radioative and now your thryoid is back to normal.  And Samson that has Stomatitis. Take him to a Dental Vet that does nothing but dental work on animals and deals with Stomatitis.  Have the pockets of the teeth cleaned out and all the teeth but the four canie in the front left in and put the cat on gold seal.  My Fantasia had Stomatitis when I had all the teeth out except for the four canie and put him on gold seal he never had a nother problem with the Stomatitis.  But make sure they clean the pockets of the teeths out.  My Fantasia was FeLv Positive and it
 is from that. Fantasia is on the other side now since August 14, 2004.  I looked up Stomatitis in vet medical books and found out what to do. Keep iin touch I use to be a Vet Teck. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  -Original Message-From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Tue, 10 May 2005 07:28:25 -0700Subject: Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe


> *I have not been any where over night for 7 years. There is just not any one to trust conpletely.*>  Oh yeah Barbara, it sounds like Tom has steered you to the right group of people! You're definitely one of us! Nina  Barbara Baass wrote:  > *Problem is that I don't have family here and few friends that I have > are not cat lovers.* > *Had a bad experience with cat sitter. She was suppose to come by > twice a day and I came home early and caught her here at around 2:00 > that afternoon. It was suppose to be in the morning and in the > afternoon. I was mad. I had a CRF kitty at the time. I wondered how > long she had been coming by like that, only once a day and my getting > charged twice. I had another sitter and she was great. She wrote down > every thing from the time she came till the time she
 left. She moved > to Houston though. I only had two kitties then. Now I have 5, so I > have not been any where over night for 7 years. There is just not any > one to trust conpletely. Mitsy has to have thyroid pills twice a day > and Samson has to have steriod pills every day because of the Stomatitis.* > *Barbara* > * * > > */Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: > > I live in an apt house & made arrangements with my super’s son to > come in twice a day to feed, water, & clean out the boxes. He’s > been doing this for me since he was 13 & the advantage is that he > doesn’t have to travel, I know his parents make sure he comes up, > and if anything is wrong in the apt., his father would be right > there. He & his parents have my cell phone number & I call
 every > few days. He also has the name/phone of a friend who came to check > in every few days & would handle any medical emergencies. > > /*/Chris/*/ > > /*/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/*/ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -Original Message- > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of > *Barbara Baass > *Sent:* Monday, May 09, 2005 5:53 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe > > **Yes, they more than likely saw what
 they might have to go > through with the possibility of sickness and decided they didn't > want to do that. I explained to them that it wasn't active and may > never be and then it may. I told them you never know what anyone > is going to die of anyhow.** > > **I guess things happen for a reason. I know Tom gets top quality > food here and I noticed they had Iams. I for sure wouldn't want > Tom in a shelter either.**

Re: OT: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe

2005-05-11 Thread Barbara Baass

Sounds like something I would do. I worry about them and I have called them on my answering machine in the past also.
Barbara[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We live 50 miles from Myrtle Beach, SC and once a year we go there for a week. I have a neighbor I trust to come over every night to take care of my babies needs. My husband likes to sleep late when we are there so I get up early everyday and drive the 50 miles home to see my babies and spend a little time with them. Then I drive back to the beach. My family thinks I'm crazy but I couldn't enjoy my day if I didn't get to see there faces at least once a day. I also leave my answering machine on loud so I can call and they can here my voice. I can't bring myself to travel anywhere I would have to stay more than a day without seeing them. I guess my family is right. Sheila 
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2005-05-11 Thread Barbara Baass

It would be great if my only sister lived here. She lives 3 hours from here though. Yes, they should stay at home so they don't get stressed out. 
BarbaraTerri Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



When we go out of town, my four furchildren are looked after by their Aunt Ellie (my sister) and Uncle Rocky (my husband's brother).  We never leave them for more than 4 days at a time.  They stay here so that they don't get stressed out.
 
You have more than me -- most of mine are angel babies
 
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Yes, they more than likely saw what they might have to go through with the possibility of sickness and decided they didn't want to do that. I explained to them that it wasn't active and may never be and then it may. I told them you never know what anyone is going to die of anyhow.
I guess things happen for a reason. I know Tom gets top quality food here and I noticed they had Iams. I for sure wouldn't want Tom in a shelter either.
What do you do when you go out of town for a couple days? Do you have a sitter come in? I thought I had a lot (5) of them. You really have a lot of them.
BarbaraTerri Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





Umm, yes -- I've heard lame excuses like this before.  Feline Leukemia is not transmittable to humans.  That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.  They probably just didn't want to deal with the possibility of sickness.
 
Tom is better off with you.  I mix mine and the negatives are still negative -- all 3 of them.  I dont vaccinate yearly.  If they're immune, they're immune (imho).
 
Some may argue this point -- I believe in good food and lots of love.  The rest is details.  They have a better life with me than they'd have on the street or in a shelter.  And they're pampered.  They know I love them.
 
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Thanks for the information. Guess I will be on for awhile longer. They brought Tom back in three & a half hours. His wife looked it up on the internet and he said that his sister is taking chemo treatments and is not suppose to be around a leukemia cat, so he didn't want to take the risk.
Have you ever heard of this? I wonder  what site she saw this on? You could tell that Tom sure was glad to be back. I am really disappointed though. It was really a nice home and big yard with lots of trees.
Barbara BaassBelinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Barbara, this is great news about Tom, I hope you can check on him occasionally and hear how he is doing.The instructions below were for the old list, here is where to go to unsubscribe:http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemiaorgInstructions are way down at the bottom of the page, good luck and thanks for caring enough to find Tom a home!!---If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list,send the following command in email to<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:    unsubscribeOr you can send mail to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> with the followingcommand in the body of your email message:    unsubscribe felvtalkor from another account, besides [EMAIL PROTECTED]:    unsubscribe felvtalk [EMAIL PROTECTED]If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list,(if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about thelist itself) send email to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> .This is the general rule for most mailing
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Re: for Barbara (Baass) re: going out of town

2005-05-11 Thread Barbara Baass

Yes, that is a good ideal. I looked at the list for Austin. It is nice to know that there are some out there just in case I ever want to go any where for a couple of days. I think I might feel more comfortable if someone stayed in the house with them.
BarbaraTenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
i've known people who hired vet techs from their own vets' tokitty-sit--because they really don't want their bosses mad at them ifthey mess up with a client, it's usually worked out well.did a quick search--http://www.pet-sitters.biz/ seems to be both forsitters and those looking for sitters. there may be (there SHOULDbe) a list of things that need to be asked and answered on bothsides.-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
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2005-05-10 Thread Barbara Baass

Good Ideal.TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
that's why you find sitters you know WELL, and who are as paranoidabout their pets (whom they go home to visit, of course) as you are!the other option is to just get an rv and take the cats WITH you-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
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Re: Innova EVO, anyone else made the switch yet? (OT)

2005-05-10 Thread Barbara Baass

I have just switched to Innova Roasted Chicken and then I also got some Felidae. I wonder which one is best? How about this Balance one?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




I have just completed the switch-over to the new Innova EVO cat food, and I think they really are going to do great on it. Maybe it's all in my head, but I THINK the bald food-allergy cat is already growing back some HAIR! Has anyone else switched their cats' food over to the EVO yet? And if so, have you noticed anything amazing yet? Just curious because I THINK it was on THIS list where I first heard about it a couple of weeks ago now. I'm just glad it's still under $40 for a 15 pound bag, I think it came to $36.50 here! Time will tell if it's worth it or not, but I REALLY think Mythic is scratching less and looks a bit "furrier" than he did 3 weeks ago.
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2005-05-10 Thread Barbara Baass

Problem is that I don't have family here and few friends that I have are not cat lovers.
Had a bad experience with cat sitter. She was suppose to come by twice a day and I came home early and caught her here at around 2:00 that afternoon. It was suppose to be in the morning and in the afternoon. I was mad. I had a CRF kitty at the time. I wondered how long she had been coming by like that, only once a day and my getting charged twice.  I had another sitter and she was great. She wrote down every thing from the time she came till the time she left. She moved to Houston though. I only had two kitties then. Now I have 5, so I have not been any where over night for 7 years. There is just not any one to trust conpletely. Mitsy has to have thyroid pills twice a day and Samson has to have steriod pills every day because of the Stomatitis.
Barbara
 Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





I live in an apt house & made arrangements with my supers son to come in twice a day to feed, water, & clean out the boxes.  Hes been doing this for me since he was 13 & the advantage is that he doesnt have to travel, I know his parents make sure he comes up, and if anything is wrong in the apt., his father would be right there.  He & his parents have my cell phone number & I call every few days.  He also has the name/phone of a friend who came to check in every few days & would handle any medical emergencies.  
 

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Yes, they more than likely saw what they might have to go through with the possibility of sickness and decided they didn't want to do that. I explained to them that it wasn't active and may never be and then it may. I told them you never know what anyone is going to die of anyhow.

I guess things happen for a reason. I know Tom gets top quality food here and I noticed they had Iams. I for sure wouldn't want Tom in a shelter either.

What do you do when you go out of town for a couple days? Do you have a sitter come in? I thought I had a lot (5) of them. You really have a lot of them.

BarbaraTerri Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Umm, yes -- I've heard lame excuses like this before.  Feline Leukemia is not transmittable to humans.  That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.  They probably just didn't want to deal with the possibility of sickness.

 

Tom is better off with you.  I mix mine and the negatives are still negative -- all 3 of them.  I dont vaccinate yearly.  If they're immune, they're immune (imho).

 

Some may argue this point -- I believe in good food and lots of love.  The rest is details.  They have a better life with me than they'd have on the street or in a shelter.  And they're pampered.  They know I love them.

 

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Thanks for the information. Guess I will be on for awhile longer. They brought Tom back in three & a half hours. His wife looked it up on the internet and he said that his sister is taking chemo treatments and is not suppose to be around a leukemia cat, so he didn't want to take the risk.

Have you ever heard of this? I wonder  what site she saw this on? You could tell that Tom sure was glad to be back. I am really disappointed though. It was really a nice home and big yard with lots of trees.

Barbara BaassBelinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  Barbara, this is great news about Tom, I hope you can check on him occasionally and hear how he is doing.The instructions below were for the old list, here is where to go to unsubscribe:http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemiaorgInstructions are way down at the bottom of the page, good luck and thanks for caring enough to find Tom a home!!---If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list,send the following command in email to<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:    unsubscribeOr you can send mail to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> with the followingcommand in the body of your email message:    unsubscribe felvtalkor from another account, besides [EMAIL PROTECTED]:    unsubscribe felvtalk [EMAIL PROTECTED]If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list,(if you hav

Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe

2005-05-09 Thread Barbara Baass

Yes, they more than likely saw what they might have to go through with the possibility of sickness and decided they didn't want to do that. I explained to them that it wasn't active and may never be and then it may. I told them you never know what anyone is going to die of anyhow.
I guess things happen for a reason. I know Tom gets top quality food here and I noticed they had Iams. I for sure wouldn't want Tom in a shelter either.
What do you do when you go out of town for a couple days? Do you have a sitter come in? I thought I had a lot (5) of them. You really have a lot of them.
BarbaraTerri Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





Umm, yes -- I've heard lame excuses like this before.  Feline Leukemia is not transmittable to humans.  That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.  They probably just didn't want to deal with the possibility of sickness.
 
Tom is better off with you.  I mix mine and the negatives are still negative -- all 3 of them.  I dont vaccinate yearly.  If they're immune, they're immune (imho).
 
Some may argue this point -- I believe in good food and lots of love.  The rest is details.  They have a better life with me than they'd have on the street or in a shelter.  And they're pampered.  They know I love them.
 
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Thanks for the information. Guess I will be on for awhile longer. They brought Tom back in three & a half hours. His wife looked it up on the internet and he said that his sister is taking chemo treatments and is not suppose to be around a leukemia cat, so he didn't want to take the risk.
Have you ever heard of this? I wonder  what site she saw this on? You could tell that Tom sure was glad to be back. I am really disappointed though. It was really a nice home and big yard with lots of trees.
Barbara BaassBelinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Barbara, this is great news about Tom, I hope you can check on him occasionally and hear how he is doing.The instructions below were for the old list, here is where to go to unsubscribe:http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemiaorgInstructions are way down at the bottom of the page, good luck and thanks for caring enough to find Tom a home!!---If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list,send the following command in email to<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:    unsubscribeOr you can send mail to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> with the followingcommand in the body of your email message:    unsubscribe felvtalkor from another account, besides [EMAIL PROTECTED]:    unsubscribe felvtalk [EMAIL PROTECTED]If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list,(if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about thelist itself) send email to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> .This is the general rule for most mailing
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Re: for Barbara (Baass) re unsubscribe

2005-05-09 Thread Barbara Baass

Couldn't help but chuckle at that one. You are right. That is an excellent way to look at it. That is all I would need is for him to get cancer on top of his felv. I wish I would have thought to tell them that and to get him back as fast as they could.
BarbaraTenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
don't you have to wonder which part of FELINE they don't get??using that logic, tom is better off anyway--wouldn't want him catchingcancer from the one on chemo, after all.. (this is my cleaned-upresponse to the original post on his return!)-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
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Re: Welcome back Barbara

2005-05-09 Thread Barbara Baass

Thanks Kerry,
No, their yard was not cat proof. I am beginning to think it is meant for him to be here. I love Tom to death, but I aslo worry about my 4 non-positive ones gettting felv. I just hope & pray that they don't. I would never forgive myself.
There is a vet here that has a lot of clients that mix their positive with their negative and I was told they get their negatives one felv shots every 6 months. That seems like a lot to over load their system with. My vet does it once a year.
I will try a little longer and re-word my ad to spell out felv, so that there is not any mis-understanding. I sure hate to put Tom through this again though.
Barbara Baass"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Welcome back, tho I'm sorry for the reason, Barbara--sorry for your disappointment and sorry that Tom had to go through that stress and upheaval. These people were obviously not right for cat adoption--they didn't care enough to do the "homework" beforehand or get the facts straight when they did. I'm glad he's happy to be home. I'm wondering--I don't know if their yard was catproof--ie other cats unable to get in. That's the only way that Tom would have been able to use the yard without the risk of coming into contact with, and passing on the disease to, non-vaccinated FeLV neg cats.
I know you're anxious to find a "good home" for Tom but seems to me the home he has now is going to be a hard act to follow---more than anything, he's happy and stress-free with you. :>)
Give a big hug to Tom, and again, glad to welcome you back, Barbara!
Kerry

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Thanks for the information. Guess I will be on for awhile longer. They brought Tom back in three & a half hours. His wife looked it up on the internet and he said that his sister is taking chemo treatments and is not suppose to be around a leukemia cat, so he didn't want to take the risk.
Have you ever heard of this? I wonder what site she saw this on? You could tell that Tom sure was glad to be back. I am really disappointed though. It was really a nice home and big yard with lots of trees.
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2005-05-09 Thread Barbara Baass

IYes, it is amazing. that is the most lame excuse I ever heard. I made sure that I told them to bring Tom back to me if it didn't work out and that I would call and check on him in a couple days and drop by to see him once in awhile. He was a little stressed when he came back. He was really hungry and thirsty. I felt bad about that. The people came in the yard and i told them to open the carrier, he will go in the house. They opened it and Tom couldn't get in the house fast enough.
BarbaraChris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

You knowthe reason they brought him back really doesnt matterpeople come up with all sorts of crazy reasons. The good news is that they brought him back to yousometimes people dont want to face the music & just bring the animal to the local shelter.

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Have you ever heard of this? I wonder what site she saw this on? You could tell that Tom sure was glad to be back. I am really disappointed though. It was really a nice home and big yard with lots of trees.

Barbara BaassBelinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Barbara, this is great news about Tom, I hope you can check on him occasionally and hear how he is doing.The instructions below were for the old list, here is where to go to unsubscribe:http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orgInstructions are way down at the bottom of the page, good luck and thanks for caring enough to find Tom a home!!---If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list,send the following command in email to<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: unsubscribeOr you can send mail to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> with the followingcommand in the body of your email message: unsubscribe felvtalkor from another account, besides [EMAIL PROTECTED]: unsubscribe felvtalk [EMAIL PROTECTED]If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list,(if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about thelist itself) send email to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> .This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you needto contact a human. No info available for felvtalk -- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting & web design)http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com

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2005-05-09 Thread Barbara Baass

Thanks for the information. Guess I will be on for awhile longer. They brought Tom back in three & a half hours. His wife looked it up on the internet and he said that his sister is taking chemo treatments and is not suppose to be around a leukemia cat, so he didn't want to take the risk.
Have you ever heard of this? I wonder what site she saw this on? You could tell that Tom sure was glad to be back. I am really disappointed though. It was really a nice home and big yard with lots of trees.
Barbara BaassBelinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Barbara, this is great news about Tom, I hope you can check on him occasionally and hear how he is doing.The instructions below were for the old list, here is where to go to unsubscribe:http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orgInstructions are way down at the bottom of the page, good luck and thanks for caring enough to find Tom a home!!---If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list,send the following command in email to<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
unsubscribeOr you can send mail to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> with the followingcommand in the body of your email message: unsubscribe felvtalkor from another account, besides [EMAIL PROTECTED]: unsubscribe felvtalk [EMAIL PROTECTED]If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list,(if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about thelist itself) send email to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> .This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you needto contact a human. No info available for felvtalk --
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2005-05-07 Thread Barbara Baass


Can you tell me how to get off this site? I have placed "Tom" in a home as of today. He is in a very good home with other pets and 4 kids. It didn't seem to matter that  he had felv. I explained that it wasn't active and he was healthy and is was okay as long as their other cats had their shots and were older. He is in a very up scale home, so I am very happy. I know he will be happy there. I want to thank all of you on the site for informing on felv. I was going to keep him if I didn't find him a home. He sure is a great cat. I will miss him a lot.
Barbara BaassBarbara Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
going thru my cat care books. one mentions Biodent-a good generalnutritional supplement to benefit the mouth.a human product but vet canorder. contains bone meal, carrot powder, spleen and other nutrients thatcreate a healthier chemisty in tissue of mouth. takes time to work. forinflamed gums, the topical application of an herbal combinatin calledEchinacea-goldenseal supreme by gaia herbs-saurate a Q tip with the liquidand run along gum line once a day or if condition severe, twice a day. (thoas I recall, echinacea made my cats foam at mouth...the taste.)anitra frzier mentions an herbal remedy to soothe and heal sore and bleedinggums--add 1/4 teaspooon salt to 1/2 cup strong lukewarm calendula and pat ongums with a cotton ball. herbal remedies are usualy taken 3-4 times a day,one to two teaspoons of tea for a cat, 1/2 t. for a kitten.
 another bookmentions calendula for general gum care-purchase a bottle of the mothertincture-put 6 drops in 1 oz of distilled water --if gums are infectedalready, use a cotton swab padded with extra cotton(from a cotton ball)sotht it soaks up the liquid. (brushing would only irritate gums more). coverboth inside and outside of the gums(I guess they mean both sides of theteeth)with the calendula.hope some of this helps. calendula is usually easy to find in a good healthfood store.interesting footnotes that the vets seem to feel they see teeth problemsmore in certain breeds and colors. redheaded cats have more gingivitis thanother cats. purebreds more at risk-tho maine coons have less problems thanabyssinians and persians. My Mr. Bean is red and he ws the first one toexhibit the gum and tooth problems.barbara- Original Message -From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent:
 Saturday, May 07, 2005 12:19 PMSubject: Re: Need prayers and advice for Ginger> I am taking her to an internist on Monday, and also plan to call Monday> morning to the veterinary dentist office near here to get her an emergency> appointment if necessary. I want to talk to the internist first, in casethere is> something going on with that lymph node in her chest, but I am thinkingmore and> more that it is her teeth (and hoping that is what it is). She isextremely> playful, back to jumping some after I got food into her (maybe she wasweak from> not having much food in her), and very happy. She also tries to eat alittle> piece or lick and then just licks her mouth and lips. When she plays and> bites on whatever she is playing with, she does the same thing with hermouth. So> I am starting to think her gums just hurt a lot. I also read that proteinin> the urine can come
 from bad gum infections.> Michelle>>> In a message dated 5/6/05 10:35:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:>> << Hi Michelle,>> I'm sorry Gunger is having such a hard time. When bailey's>> stomastisis was at it's worse he was losing weight, he didn't stop>> eating completely but he was eating much less that was OK, and after he>> had lost about a pound over a month or so is when I decided none of the>> other things we were trying were working and we pulled his teeth.>>> Bad teeth can cause serious infections, and if it is bad enough probably>> hurts enough to make eating painful. I know a tooth ache is one of the>> few things I can't tolerate well and I have a very high pain tolerence.>> Are you planning on getting her teeth cleaned soon?>>
 
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Re: Need placement - with location this time!!

2005-05-01 Thread Barbara Baass

Haven't tried books stores. Good ideal. No luck with food stores. It was suggested that I also post in schools because of all the teachers. I have tried several out of state places. Thanks, I will try the yahoo cat list. Off to a different church today. It is a big one in a high class area.
A lot of people ask, what is felv. I need to think of a way to tell them without scaring them off and making it sound like a negative thing.  When you tell them, they tell you that they don't want a sick cat.
Barbara Baass"Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I've thought about that - going to different churches - so glad to know it's worked out pretty well. I've used book stores and health food stores - got some takers that way.Might try the local yahoo cat list too for PA or the Phillie area.GloriaAt 04:56 PM 4/30/2005, you wrote:>Hi Barb,>I have a stray also that I found about three months ago and can't find him >a home. I had pretty good luck with runing an ad in the newspaper, but >turned down 5 people. The only thing is that the ad runs $35 to $45 a >week. I have 4 non-positive and "Tom", the one that came up is positive >and I have been mixing them. I just hope & pray that none of them get >felv from Tom.>He sure is a great cat. I will kep trying. Here lately, I have been going >to a different church every Sunday and posting an ad
 with his picture on >it and I had two response. One who's vet told her not to take him and >another that decided she wanted a baby kitten. At least the church thing >is working out, since I am getting a response.>Good Luck with yours.>Barbara Baass>>Barbara Carnahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:>I feel pretty stupid - forgot to put my location on the following post!!>>I am located in Horsham, PA - about 15 minutes NW of Philadelphia. I will >help with any transportation needed if Harbour finds a good home!!!>>Thanks!>>Barb Carnahan>>-- Original message -->Hi,>>I found a stray cat this week that is an absolute sweetheart - and>unfortunately is FeLV positive. She is about 4 to 5 years old, black>and white, and one of the most affectionate cats I have ever met. I>would love to bring her home, but already
 have 2 cats and 2 dogs.>The cat, whom we have named Harbour after the restaurant where I>found her, does seem to be frightened of dogs of all sizes. Harbour>is currently staying at the vet hospital where I work, but I can't>keep her there much longer due to a lack of cage space. She seems>healthy, eating well, active. She is extremely friendly and talks to>those who pass by her cage. I can't bear the thought of euthanasia,>so I must find her a place to go ASAP. Can anyone here help me??>>>Barb Carnahan>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>__>Do You Yahoo!?>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around>http://mail.yahoo.com__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: Need placement - with location this time!!

2005-04-30 Thread Barbara Baass

Hi Barb,
I have a stray also that I found about three months ago and can't find him a home. I had pretty good luck with runing an ad in the newspaper, but turned down 5 people. The only thing is that the ad runs $35 to $45 a week. I have 4 non-positive and "Tom", the one that came up is positive and I have been mixing them. I just hope & pray that none of them get felv from Tom.
He sure is a great cat. I will kep trying. Here lately, I have been going to a different church every Sunday and posting an ad with his picture on it and I had two response. One who's vet told her not to take him and another that decided she wanted a baby kitten. At least the church thing is working out, since I am getting a response.
Good Luck with yours.
Barbara BaassBarbara Carnahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I feel pretty stupid - forgot to put my location on the following post!!
I am located in Horsham, PA - about 15 minutes NW of Philadelphia. I will help with any transportation needed if Harbour finds a good home!!!
Thanks!
Barb Carnahan
-- Original message -- Hi, I found a stray cat this week that is an absolute sweetheart - and unfortunately is FeLV positive. She is about 4 to 5 years old, black and white, and one of the most affectionate cats I have ever met. I would love to bring her home, but already have 2 cats and 2 dogs. The cat, whom we have named Harbour after the restaurant where I found her, does seem to be frightened of dogs of all sizes. Harbour is currently staying at the vet hospital where I work, but I can't keep her there much longer due to a lack of cage space. She seems healthy, eating well, active. She is extremely friendly and talks to those who pass by her cage. I can't bear the thought of euthanasia, so I must find her a place to go ASAP. Can anyone here help me??Barb Carnahan[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: new addition

2005-04-18 Thread Barbara Baass

It is hard for me to believe that some one would do that to an old kitty. They can still get around well even though they are blind. I had a little poodle that went blind at 15 and he did just fine and we still even went for walks. Whoever turned that kitty in just because it was blind should remember what if the shoe was on the other foot. Their turn will come up some day when thet get old. Every little animal should be able to live their life out in comfort. What goes around comes around!!!
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Here's a link to a picture.Note CC-7: Puss is a 22 year old kitty turned in to die by her people. http://etowahvalleyhumane.org/adoptionlistings.html  CC-7  Cat  Domestic Short Hair-gray  Senior  S    
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Re: Fwd: [NMHP] What's the story with all these feline leukemia tests?

2005-04-14 Thread Barbara Baass

catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I joined the forum someone (???) posted last week.  I got this post this morning and thought you all might be interested.  It specifically mentions feline interferon having positive results and being available for import as some of you have done!  If more people begin to order it we may have hopes of it becoming available here!
 
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Question from BJ:We have a feral male cat that was shot by neighborhood punk with a bb gun. He lost an eye because of this act.  We trapped him and obtained medical help for him only to learn that he was positive for leukemia (ELISA test).The cat has recovered from this injury and appears to be doing all right at the moment.  We have him in a separate outdoor enclosure (with shelter, of course) from our other cats.  He will not let us have any contact with him, but we are trying to spend a few moments a day in the cage with him, talking softly, etc.  We don't want to upset him.We want to do all that we can for him, although he is feral and will not let us touch him.  We are currently feeding him Purina One kitten formula with yogurt.  He had thrown up a couple of times initially throughout all the trauma, but this food seems to be something he likes and he hasn't thrown up at all in over a
 week.  We give him a little wet food in the morning and in the evening to give him a little variety.Can you suggest anything more that we might be able to do for him (i.e., something we could put into his food that he would not smell or taste perhaps) that might boost his immune system?Also, at what point should we have him retested?  And should we have the IFA test done, or have a Western Blot test done?  Testing will entail trapping and transporting to the vet and he will probably have to be sedated for them to be able to work with him, so we don't want to do it too soon before the results might be conclusive.  The ELISA test was approximately one month ago.
 
Response from Dr Julie Levy:This poor little kitty is lucky he found you. We'll discuss a testing and treatment plan for him, but first, a little virology . . . Detection of the FeLV core protein p27 (antigen), which is produced abundantly in most infected cats, is the mainstay of clinical FeLV testing. Immunochromatic lateral flow devices and microtiter ELISA can be performed in clinics. Commonly used tests in the US include the IDEXX SNAP and Synbiotics Witness tests. The immunofluorescent antibody test (IFA) detects p27 antigen in infected blood cells. Because it requires special processing and fluorescent microscopy, the IFA must be performed by a qualified reference laboratory. This test requires an experienced technician to interpret, and poor laboratory quality control can lead to inaccurate results. The laboratory that I prefer to use is the National Veterinary Laboratory in New Jersey. They invented the FeLV
 IFA test decades ago.Antibody tests are not useful because of the high rate of exposure to FeLV in the environment. In surveys conducted prior to the development of FeLV vaccines, most free-roaming cats acquired anti-FeLV antibodies, evidence of at least transient exposure and infection with the virus. The polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test has been used for the diagnosis of FeLV infection. This test detects viral DNA instead of protein antigens. PCR may be useful in helping to determine the true status of cats with discordant results from other testing techniques and may be the most sensitive test available. The PCR must be performed by well-equipped and trained laboratories. At this time, I believe that the PCR laboratory at UC Davis is a good choice.Virus culture for FeLV is not routinely available in the US but is considered to be the confirmatory test of choice in Europe. However, not all cats with FeLV infection are positive on virus culture. Because
 FeLV generally replicates in lymphoid tissue and other sites before the bone marrow, immunochromatic tests may detect infection a few weeks earlier than the IFA. Some cats are apparently able to clear the infection at this stage and may revert to negative status within a few weeks to months. IFA-positive tests indicate that the bone marrow is infected with FeLV. In this case, most cats remain persistently infected for life.That was a long-winded introduction for a testing plan for your cat. In my experience, most cats with positive FeLV tests remain positive. I think that is because it is statistically unlikely that you will test very many cats that just happen to be in their brief "transient" infection phase. Still, to be safe, we like to wait 2-3 months before testing again. Cats that are still positive at that time are likely to remain positive for life. If you do elect to sedate him for

Re: tom

2005-04-14 Thread Barbara Baass

Soon as I can get some one to hook up this new printer & scanner I am going to send Tom's picture and a new ad on him. This computer doesn't seem to recognize the new printer for some reason.
Tom is so sweet. He lays on the kitchen floor in the morning & waits for you to give him some wet food. He has dry down Day & night.
Poor Samson he has had colon surgery when he was one year old. Then it has been on going to the vet with his mouth. A couple months ago he had to go to the emergency and be put on IV's & spend the night. Then the next day we had to take him to our regular vet for a few days to be put on IV's. The vet said it was just something some cats get. He was one sick kitty. He is okay now.
Barbaracatatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I hope you can find a home for him. I hope Samson gets better with his stomasititis as well. I haven't had to deal with that one yet. (knock on wood) But I have a couple who have 'bad teeth' and have had to have quite a few pulled even though they're relatively young.
tonyaBarbara Baass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Yes, Tonya,
Samson was tested before Tom came up. He is negative. He just turned three a couple weeks ago. the other three are also negative. Tom is the only positive. We have also been on the Stomastitis site. Kitties with that does seem to have felv, but Samson tested negative. I believe he had the Elisa test a couple years ago. Samson has on going problems with his mouth. I just had his teeth pulled a couple months ago, but he is still have problems.
I will have to find Tom a home some how. We have too many kitties and we are gone a lot. Tom needs to get the attention that he deserves. Somebody always gets let out if you have too many. Bentley from next door has also moved his self in. He use to play footies with Samson under the fence when he was a baby. Bentley grew up and came over the fence. Him and Samson are like brothers. Bentley kind of gets left out too. Samson, Tasha & Mitsy sleep in the bed, but there is not room for Tom or Bentley and i know they would like to sleep in bed too. I have turned down 4 people that answered my ad in the paper for Tom. They were not good people. I want Tom to go to a loving home. He is so sweet and lay ed back. He is very smart and wants to please you. He is a people kitty. He wants to be where you are. He is a very beautiful cat and a big hefty one. I just hope that I can find a home for him and a loving one.
Barbaracatatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Barbara,
Has your cat with stomastitis been tested recently for leukemia? It's very common for positive cats. He may have already been positive before you brought Tom in.. I hope he is negative.
tonyaBarbara Baass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Nina, I am so sorry to hear about Jazz. I know exactly how you feel. I lost Princess to CRF 4 years ago and I was on that site. She was 17 and was my pride & joy. You never get over them but after a long time it does become easier and know that Jazz will always be with you next to your heart and some day you will see her again and you both will be re-united.
This is also a great site and a lot of support. As far as Tom was concern, I was told by another vet, not my vet, what had to be done and I kept putting it off. I couldn't bring myself to do it, even though I kept telling myself that it had to be done and for some reason I went to this FELV site to see what everyone would said about it. I know now that Tom deserves to be here. I will still at least try to find him a home if possible. I have a kitty that has Stomasstisis and his system is weak. He seems to get every little thing and the vet bills are on going. I don't know if he would get this from Tom or not, but I sure hope not. Tom is a great cat. I have 4 kitties already. Two were abused, & one was running for his life from 30 turkeys when he was 5 weeks old. The other one just moved his self in from next door, as he & Samson use to play paws under the fence when Bentley was a baby. Bentley grew up and came over the fence and just moved his self
in.
Again, I am so sorry for the loss of Jazz and know that she is there waiting for you.
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Hello my beloved list,Thank you everyone for your kind words and sympathy. I have been a total wreck, but knowing you guys care, really helps. I'm walking around like a zombie, doing just what I have to do to keep the rest of the household going. I'm steeped in denial. I keep expecting her to walk around the corner with that fabulous tail of hers raised high in greeting. I don't know how that can be, we all try so hard to prepare ourselves, it was still so sudden and unexpected. Gracy is taking it hard too. And of course, there's the second guessing...I've been reading the posts about Tom and I have to say it gives me so much hope to hear how you folks have enlightened Barbara and given such a deserving cat a chance at life. (Jen, I know you are probably sorry about your outburst, but

Re: tom

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Re: TOM - LONG!

2005-04-12 Thread Barbara Baass

Thanks Nina,
My room mate & I have really been worried about Samson. All are up to date on their shots. Tom was given shots too, except for the felv one. My vet did it for free. His wife is with animal trustee. He was also worried about Samson.
BarbaraNina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Barbara,First, welcome to the list, aren't these people wonderful? Second, thank you for your love and efforts to save Tom, he sounds like such a wonderful cat. He chose wisely when he showed up at your door. Third, I haven't seen this addressed yet, so I thought I'd comment. You talk about Samson being sick all the time and your being worried about him getting FelV. You're right to be concerned, if Samson has a crummy immune system, his chances are greater than a healthy cat. But, didn't you say that your other four cats have been vaccinated previously? If that's the case, I don't think you have to worry (anymore than you're going to anyway). Tom is probably in much greater danger being exposed to Samson than the other way around! When FelV kitties are stressed, they are susceptible to disease that non-positives would easily fight
 off. I'm not sure what to suggest, my brain is really fried right now, but I just wanted you to be aware of this.NinaBarbara Baass wrote:> *Brenda,*> *I am amazed that your kittty is still around and that non of the > others came up positive. I know now through all the messages that I > have been receiving that I can not have tom put to sleep when he is > perfectly healthly. I do worry about Samson. He is three and has > Stomasstisis. He has on going problems and seeem to catch everything, > so I will probably still try to find Tom a good loving home at least. > I have turned down three people already. None were good people & one > wanted all the kitties I had and he wanted to pay me for them and have > his agent pick them up. You really have to screen people, as there are > a lot of bad ones.*> *You really went through a lot of stress losing three of your so close
 > toghther. It is a very hard thing just to lose one of them. I am so > sorry for your loss.*> *Thank you for the information. It is amazing that so many vets are > mis-informed.*> ** > *Barbara*>> ** >> **  */"Brenda K. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:>> *Barbara>> I have been on this list since 1997, and I mostly lurk in the> last couple of years. In November, 1997, I live trapped an orange> tabby male who had been hanging around our woods. I took him to> my vet to be neutered and check for Feline Leukemia. She did the> Elisa test and it came up positive. She estimated that he was at> least 2 years old or older. He showed no signs of illness from> the felv so had her send in an IFA test to the lab. The IFA came> back positive showing that the virus was replicating in his bone> marrow. At
 the time I knew only the veterinary thought process on> feline Leukemia which was to euthanize right away to protect my> other negative cats.>> Having a perfectly healthy appearing cat euthanized made no> sense to me. I told my vet I was taking him back home so that he> could live a love filled life for however long he would live. > That was almost 7-1/2 years ago and he (Peri) is still here happy,> healthy and loved. At first I kept him separated from my negative> cats, but after joining this list right after I trapped him and> learning so much about feline leukemia I introduced him into the> rest of house. I had five negative cats at the time. In> February, 2003, I lost my 17 year old cat, Fannie May, from> Dialated Cardiomyopathy. On June 9, I lost my almost 17 year old> cat, Suzy Q, to Pancreatic Cancer which had matastized throughout> her body. Ten days later I lost my 16
 year old diabetic cat,> Little Boy. In October, 2004, I suddenly lost Mikey, 7 years old,> from some type of liver disease. None of those kitties were> feline leukemia positive when they died.>> I grieved so much from the 3 losses in 2003, that I couldn't> adopt another cat right away. Finally, in May 2004, I adopted a> beautiful felv- look alike Tortie Point Himalayan female named> Baby Kitty. This past February, 2005, with the help of many> wonderful animal lovers I adopted two feline leukemia positive> cats from Georgia. Lovey is a 1 year old chocolate point Balinese> and Merry is a Lynx Point Himalayan. I had them spayed and> neutered before they left Georgia. If I had not adopted them they> would have been euthanized by now. They were both positive on the> Elisa and the IFA. They, too, show no signs of the disease and> are already much loved members of our family. So, I have
 3 felv+> cats and two felv- cats who groom each other, play, eat out of the> same food and water dishes.>> I figured that all cats deserve a chance to have a forever> loving home no matter how long they might live. I do give the> positive cats 1 ml of Interferon daily, plus vitamin c. That is> the newest protocol rather than 7 days on and 7 days off. I feed> them Wellness dry food except fo

Re: Fwd: [NMHP] Understanding Feline Leukemia and FIV : Introduction from Julie ...

2005-04-11 Thread Barbara Baass

Thanks for the info.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

You all might want to join the No More Homeless Pets Forum (Best Friends Animal Society) this week-- there is a vet discussing FeLV and FIV, and answering questions. You can join for free at www.bestfriends.org, and follow links to members and pets, I think. I generally find the forum useful for rescue issues, but am extra curious about this week.
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April 11-15~ Understanding Feline Leukemia and FIV:The truth might surprise you! Julie Levy, DVM of The University of Florida has studied Feline Leukemia and FIV (Feline Immunodeficiency Virus) extensively, and will answer your questions about how they are spread, the accuracy of tests, and the prognosis for cats who test positive.
You can send your questions and comments now through Thursday evening to [EMAIL PROTECTED].
Related transcripts from previous forum weeks can be viewed by visiting the forum archives at http://www.bestfriends.com/nomorehomelesspets/weeklyforum/forumarchives.cfm. In addition, it may be helpful to 'read up' on the effects of FIV at http://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/petcare/cats_fiv.cfm.
Introduction from Dr Julie Levy:
Are you confused about the difference between an ELISA, an IFA, and a PCR? How about the difference between antigen and antibody tests? What are the best tests for diagnosis of FeLV and FIV? How does vaccination influence test results? Can you ever be truly certain of a cats infection status? What priority should you place on testing when funds are short and veterinary costs are high? Is there any way to reduce the costs of testing? Is it necessary for all cats to be tested? What is the responsible thing to do with cats who test positive? Is infection a death sentence?
These are common questions that face shelters, veterinarians, cat rescue groups, and feral cat sterilization programs. This week is your opportunity to learn about the science, politics, and urban legends that accompany retroviral infections of cats. Well discuss how to develop responsible and cost-effective testing priorities that benefit the cats, protect pets, and control the spread of the diseases. Well look at the challenges these infections raise for cat welfare organizations, which may have a very different perspective from individual cat owners.
Its your turn to ask about testing strategies, prevention, and treatment.

Dr Julie Levy Bio:
Dr. Levy is a member of the American College of Veterinary Internal Medicine and is currently an associate professor with the small animal medicine service at the University of Florida. Dr. Levy's research and clinical interests center on feline infectious diseases, neonatal kitten health, and humane alternatives for cat population control.
She is the founder of Operation Catnip (http://www.vetmed.ufl.edu/sacs/catnip/), a university-based feral cat program which has sterilized more than 20,000 cats since 1997. These programs form the basis for research on a variety of feral cat issues, including infectious diseases, caretaker characteristics, colony dynamics, and anesthesia protocols. Dr. Levy also maintains an active program investigating vaccines for nonsurgical contraception in cats.

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Re: TOM - LONG!

2005-04-11 Thread Barbara Baass

Brenda,
I am amazed that your kittty is still around and that non of the others came up positive. I know now through all the messages that I have been receiving that I can not have tom put to sleep when he is perfectly healthly. I do worry about Samson. He is three and has Stomasstisis. He has on going problems and seeem to catch everything, so I will probably still try to find Tom a good loving home at least. I have turned down three people already. None were good people & one wanted all the kitties I had and he wanted to pay me for them and have his agent pick them up. You really have to screen people, as there are a lot of bad ones.
You really went through a lot of stress losing three of your so close toghther. It is a very hard thing just to lose one of them. I am so sorry for your loss.
Thank you for the information. It is amazing that so many vets are mis-informed.
 
Barbara
 
 
"Brenda K. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Barbara    I have been on this list since 1997, and I mostly lurk in the last couple of years.  In November, 1997, I live trapped an orange tabby male who had been hanging around our woods.  I took him to my vet to be neutered and check for Feline Leukemia.  She did the Elisa test and it came up positive.  She estimated that he was at least 2 years old or older.  He showed no signs of illness from the felv so had her send in an IFA test to the lab.  The IFA came back positive showing that the virus was replicating in his bone marrow.  At the time I knew only the veterinary thought process on feline Leukemia which was to euthanize right away to protect my other negative cats.    Having a perfectly healthy appearing cat euthanized made no sense to me.  I told my vet I was taking him back home so
 that he could live a love filled life for however long he would live.  That was almost 7-1/2 years ago and he (Peri) is still here happy, healthy and loved.  At first I kept him separated from my negative cats, but after joining this list right after I trapped him and learning so much about feline leukemia I introduced him into the rest of house.  I had five negative cats at the time.  In February, 2003, I lost my 17 year old cat, Fannie May, from Dialated Cardiomyopathy.  On June 9, I lost my almost 17 year old cat, Suzy Q, to Pancreatic Cancer which had matastized throughout her body.  Ten days later I lost my 16 year old diabetic cat, Little Boy.  In October, 2004, I suddenly lost Mikey, 7 years old, from some type of liver disease.  None of those kitties were feline leukemia positive when they died.    I grieved so much from the 3 losses in 2003, that I couldn't adopt another cat right away.  Finally, in May
 2004, I adopted a beautiful felv- look alike Tortie Point Himalayan female named Baby Kitty.  This past February, 2005, with the help of many wonderful animal lovers I adopted two feline leukemia positive cats from Georgia.  Lovey is a 1 year old chocolate point Balinese and Merry is a Lynx Point Himalayan.  I had them spayed and neutered before they left Georgia.  If I had not adopted them they would have been euthanized by now.  They were both positive on the Elisa and the IFA.  They, too, show no signs of the disease and are already much loved members of our family.  So, I have 3 felv+ cats and two felv- cats who groom each other, play, eat out of the same food and water dishes.    I figured that all cats deserve a chance to have a forever loving home no matter how long they might live.  I do give the positive cats 1 ml of Interferon daily, plus vitamin c.  That is the newest protocol rather than 7 days on and 7
 days off.  I feed them Wellness dry food except for Peri who has struvite crystal problems and he gets Wysong Uretic dry.  They all get treats of wet food and small amounts of people food.    When Peri was first diagnosed and after the IFA test came back positive, I called Dr. John Hardy the originator of the IFA test.  I asked him how contagious feline leukemia was and he said, "When it dries, it dies."  The virus is very fragile outside the host body and only lasts as long as it is wet.  I keep my negative kitties uptodate on their vaccinations.  All of my cats, negative and positive, get the FVRCP every two or three years.  Also, the rabies vacc. every 3 or 4 years.  According to my vet giving the cat vaccs. to my positive actually helps to build their immune systems.  But, they don't get them all at once.  It is spread out at least 2-3 weeks for each vaccination.  My positives, of course, do not get
 the felv vaccination.    Anyway, good luck with Tom.  I hope you get to keep him and just love him for as long as he lives.  He may not live a long live, but then again, he may.-- 


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Re: TOM

2005-04-10 Thread Barbara Baass

Kathy, Thanks for the support. I do have all the rest of my kitties up to date on all their shots. One has a week immune system. He has stomasstisis and seems to get everything that comes along. He is three. Just hope that he doesn't get this felv from Tom. They are all in contact with Tom. I don't have the heart to make Tom feel different from the rest. I can only hope that it all works out.
Barbara
Kathy Koutsis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Barbara,
I don't think there is any way that Meowser gave our other kitty felv. They never were even in contact. We kept Meowser in the basement. The vet also believes that Killian also had it before. She told me that it's not very easy for it to be passed to another cat especially without ever having had any physical contact, pretty much impossible! It's just a coincidence that we found out 2 months later. Killian had been sick so we took her to the vet. They ran blood tests on her. All was well except testing positive for felv. What a shock! But that was almost a year ago and she's been doing great! You know you can vaccinate your other cats if you would like to keep Tom. I know it's not easy to find a felv positive kitty a nice home. It's heartbreaking. He might live a full life. You never know.
Good luck!
KathyBarbara Baass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Kathy,
Do you think that that your sweet stray gave your kitty the Felv? I have been working like crazy to find Tom a home, putting up posters and even calling sanctuary's out of state. I can't seem to bring myself to haveTom put to sleep. He is so sweet & wants to please you in ever way that he can. I put a $45 ad in the paper and got two response, but these people don't sound like someone I want to give Tom to. One her kitty was shot with a pellet gun & someone kicked him and his guts were clear up at the top she said. He was only a year old. The surgery was going to cost her $1,500, so she had him put to sleep and she said she would have to buy Tom cheap food. I told her he needed to eat quality food. The other people live in an Apt. and said that Tom could stay out side, as there were a lot of cats around there. These do not sound like ideal homes to me.Kathy Koutsis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Barbara,
Nearly a year ago I ran across the same predicament. Found a SWEET stray and took her in. She tested felv positive and I already had a 10 year old negative. I was so concerned for my 10 year old but I also had compassion for the felv+ cat (Meowser). Putting her to sleep was NEVER an option for me. I worked HARD to try to place her in a home. I put flyers out but nobody responded. I called numerous shelters and did research on the web. I finally found a sanctuary type no-kill sheter that takes in felv+ kitties. I drove over two hours away to get her there. I still keep in touch with the woman that runs the shelter and often give donations. So, please don't give up and do all you can to find Tom a home!
By the way, a few months later I found out that my 10 year old is FELV+! We never even knew! Your other cats could have it and you'd never know. But Killian is now 11. What a shame if she had been tested years ago and put to sleep! She's a healthy, happy, energetic, loveable cat! What a waste it would have been.
Kathy[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I need to find Tom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep. I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and littler.
Barbara Baass
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Re: TOM

2005-04-10 Thread Barbara Baass

Tom get premium food & also dry. He gets baked chicked & fish & dryed bonito flakes that he just loves. I get a big bag of it at the Hong Kong Market for about $20 and it last forever. It is too expensive in the pet stores and then you get a little tiny bag.
Where did you get the Mega C power. I am happy to hear that your kitty came up negative. That is great news.Barbara Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




delurking while dealing with my dog who has cancer. Mr. Bean was diagnosed with felv+ thru both tests what was it? 3-5 years ago I forget now. anyway, i put him on MegaC+ powder, vit E, a &d, etc, and feed all mycats premium canned food and no dry except for a few pieces as a night treat. he recently had a complete blood work and he was negative. surprised the f**k out of the vet. since he had been in contact with my other cats, I never separated him. I had one postive die at 2 1/2 yrs, one at one year old. Clancy my last remaining positive is still with me and he is 7-8 years old--who came to me as a foster cat when his elderly owner died. he came from a group of 9 cats--none of the others had leukemia. go figure.
another
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Michelle,
I have contacted a number of out of state sanctuaries. They are all full. I am still trying. will contact a few more. thanks for the info. tom has been in contact with my others. It is impossible to keep all of them apart and I don't have the heart to make him different from the rest any how. Tom had ther serious felv. He had the IFA test. My vet said when they have that they live about 3 years.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Barbara,
    You have no idea how long Tom has, and neither does anyone else. There are people on this list who have had FeLV+ cats live to over 10 years old. It is rare but it does happen. I have one whose age I don't want to say because I am superstitious and do not want to jinx her, but she is probably older than you are thinking Tom will live to be.  
    Also, cats do not die of FeLV.  FeLV is like HIV-- it is a virus that diminishes the immune system and makes the cat more vulnerable to other conditions like lymphoma and URI's and certain kinds of anemia. So you have no idea how he will die when he dies, or when that will be.
    As far as your negatives go, if you keep them separated they are safe. I have a negative and 4 positives and keep them in separate areas. The current wisdom on FeLV is that it does not survive longer than a few moments in the air, and that cats have to share water, litter, and food for a while before catching it from each other (before they manage to come into contact with virus before it has died in air, which is more likely to happen in a wet substance) or fight.  Most people on this list even mix positives and negatives, just making sure the negatives get the FeLV vaccine every year. I do not do that because I feel like it is taking a chance, but even that is just a small chance and there seems to have been very little disease spread that way.  So if you keep them separate, it should be fine. If they are already in close contact and have been for a while, chances are that those who would contract it already have.
    Finally, I learned from someone recently that there is a cat sanctuary in Arizona that is exclusively for FeLV+ cats. I never tried to find it, but I assume you can find it on the web if you look. If you can't, I would contact Marley's Fund, which is such a group in NC and has a web page, and ask them if they know of it.  Or contact Best Friends in Utah and ask them if they know about it or of anywhere else in the southwest that you can find him a home, if you are not willing to keep him.
Michelle
 
In a message dated 4/9/05 8:34:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I know how you feel Jen, I am very sorry. I keep saying that I am going to put Tom down and then I find my self making the time longer. My other kitties will get this and Tom has already over stayed. He only has about another year & a half if even that and I keep thinking that I might be doing him a favor. Felv is a painful death to have to go through. I love Tom to death and I don't know what to do because of my other cats that are non-positive.
Barbara

 
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Re: TOM

2005-04-10 Thread Barbara Baass

Bleinda,
Yes, I saw your ad about the typo. I have been going to my vet for 40 years now. Yes, I knew that stress was a big factor. Tom was VERY stressed when he showed up, but is now happy & content. Sounds like you have a very good vet. Mine is a good vet and goes to all the conferences but I believe that he is getting up there in years. His wife is with animal rescue and they both are very big on this.Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Barbara,Did you see my post about my typo, Bailey is 10, not 20. But he has been positive since atleast 5 months of age when I found him, at the time I wasin Missouri and took him to three different vet, all 3 said "You might as well euthanize him, he will be dead in three months. I had some experience with FeLV and already knew this wasn't true, but can you imagine how many healthy cats die because people take thier vets word as absolute and blindly do as they are advised??Any cat that is positive and asymptomatic for as long as Bailey is classified as a carrier and the virus is most likely in the bone marrow. I don't fool myself I know sat anytime he could become symptomatic and get sick. One of the most important things is keeping the stress down, stress is a well known trigger of setting the virus off.Another thing and I
can't speak about your vet, but it ahs been my experience the vets that have been practicing for a longer time are less experienced in the virus because they do not go to continuing education conferences to learn the newest updates about all diseases. My now vet is very young and has been practicing for only about 6 or 7 years. About 3 times a year she goes for a week or so at a time to conferences about the newest findings on many different diseases and she also goes to conferences to learn new treatment options. She is learning acupunture and holistic medicine as well as traditional medicine. She will someday be a very well rounded vet, and on top of all that to help keep my kitties stress down, she comes to the house for anything that doesn't absolutely need to be done at the office on her day off!! They get their vaccines at home and blood draws for blood tests at home. And yes if I find something on the internet I think has
merit I tell her about and she will research it for me. She allows me to bring them in right before any procedures instead of dropping them off in the morning and leaving them there all day, this is very stressful for cats especially. And I wait and take them home as soon after the procedure as it is safe. She is a gem and if she ever moves, I'll have to pull up stakes and follow her :))-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting & web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Re: TOM and welcome

2005-04-10 Thread Barbara Baass

I sure hope they don't get it. What is this vitamin mix? Let me kmow how things turn out. How much is it costing you?"Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I doubt if your other kitties will get it. Like I said, I use daily interferon on my guys. I've also just ordered some vitamins from Dr. Belfield, and am going to religiously try his method. He says he's had cats go negative taking his Vitamin mix. Thought I'd give it to my FELV and my FIV kitties. We'll see.GloriaAt 06:55 AM 4/10/2005, you wrote:>Gloria,>Tom is a year & a half. He is a beautiful cat. I have been trying like >crazy to find him a home. I put two ads in the paper. first one was no >response. The second was was a $45 ad. Two response, but they did not >sound like ideal homes for Tom. I am not giving him up to just any body >and I just can't bring myself to have him put to sleep like one vet said >to do. He is so sweet & wants to please you in every way that he can. I
 >have put up posters and even contacted people from other states. I have >tried San Antonio, Dallas & Houston. Do you have any other ideals? I just >hope none of my other kitties get this. Tom has the serious type. They >said it is in the bone marrow and he has about three years to live. He had >the IFA test.>>"Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:>Hi Barbara, Welcome to the list - sorry if it's a rocky beginning.>>How old is he?>>I would think, in Austin, you might be able to find an FELV home, either>singly or with others FELV cats. However, please be aware that the virus>is not a very hearty, and lots of veterinarians have different attitudes>(and knowledge) about FELV. You're lucky that your vet isn't one that>euthanizes immediately.>>However, the virus is not considered that contagious; it dies farely>rapidly on contact with the air.
 (Unlike those URI viruses). So at least>for the time you have Tom, he's not that much of a risk for your kitties.>>Although your vet is following the "party line", many of us do mix our>positives with our negatives, if simply because the virus is so fragile,>not that contagious, and there's a lot not known about it. Many also use>daily interferon to keep the virus in check.>>You might try some rescues in or around Austin, in Nacogdoches, San>Antonio, Dallas, etc. If you want some suggestions for those let me know>and I'll look some up.>>Gloria>in Little Rock (with 2 FELV positives, and 3 FELV angels at the Bridge)>>>At 07:48 PM 4/9/2005, you wrote:> >Tad,> >I had two test done for felv. The second was the IFA. I live in Austin,> >Texas and my area code is 512-835-2484. I think that I need to re-write> >this ad. I did not give enough
 information.> >Tom came up a couple months ago crying & crying going from house to house.> >He was hungry & lonely. I felt sorry for him and started feeding him and> >letting him come in to sleep. I took him down and got all of his shots and> >he tested positive for felv. He is one & a half year old and is a very> >handsome cat. He weighs almost 13 pounds. He is a big boy. He is gray &> >white. He is very aweet & lovable. He is people oriented & has a great> >disposition. He really wants to please you and he is so smart.> >I will re-do his ad tomorrow and put a picture of him on it. He is a> >beautiful cat. My vet said that I can't keep him because I have 4> >non-positive cats and Tom must be placed with another of his own kind or> >by his self.> >> >Barbara Baass> >> >> >> >>
 >> >> >Tad Burnett wrote:> >Barbara> > It would help a lot if you would give us a little more information> > about Tom...> >Where did he come from...How did you discover he is FeLV+...> >How old is he...Does he get along with other cats..Is he people friendly...> >> >There isn't a great line of people waiting to take FeLV+ kitties...> >You will need to convinse us that we want to save him...> >> >And what part of the world is he in.??? This list is world wide> >> >Tad> >> >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> >>I need to find Tom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no> >>choice but to put him to sleep. I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet> >>said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by> >>his self. PLEASE help
 save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life> >>in comfort. I will provide all food and littler.> >>> >>Barbara Baass> >>835-2484> >>> >>> >>> >>> >No virus found in this outgoing message.> >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.> >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005> >> >> >Do you Yahoo!?> >Yahoo! Small Business -> >Try> >our new resources site!>>>__>Do You Yahoo!?>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around>http://mail.yahoo.com
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Re: TOM

2005-04-10 Thread Barbara Baass

Thanks Michelle.
I am glad that I fould this group too. It puts a whole different light on things. Tom does deserve a chance.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Barbara,
You should not take away from all this that most positive cats live until 10 or 12 without any problems. I think the majority on this list have died before 4 years old, probably. But the point is you just don't know. I lost one at 18 months, one at 3, one at just under 5, and I have two who are about 4 right now and one who is about 6 (knock on wood a thousand times-- I get scared even writing it that I will jinx them, especially the 6 year old!). It varies a lot. It is really important to keep them as stress-free as possible, to feed them good food, and to give them immune support supplements (I give mine some mixed in gerbers chicken baby food every morning-- there are all different kinds and there is tons in our archives about it and i think someone made up a little primer on it too). When they do get very sick, there are things that can be done which have helped some of the cats on this list when no one thought there was any hope, and then sometimes
nothing works. The point again being that you just don't know-- you don't know, your vet doesn't know, we don't know, and Tom doesn't know. It's one day at a time with these babies. The most important thing is to give them a chance.
Thanks for doing all you have done for Tom, and I am glad you found this group,
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Re: TOM

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Tad,
You just don't know how all that has put my mind at ease. I have been so worried about Tom that I was unable to sleep at night. I was going on only what my vet told me until I got on this site a couple days ago. I have heard so many positive things about felve cats. He is such a great cat that he is really something.Thank you again.Tad Burnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Much of the time kittend arn't tested until they become sick and normal antibiotics don't work as expected...At this point the death rate is high...but many cats are positive but becouse they arn't tested they don't get put into the statistics...Thus keeping an FeLV+ cat really isn't as bad as vets often say...  If a cat is kept healthy and low stress their own imune systems will keep them out of trouble...This is true for both POS and NEG cats...My vet explained that ethicaly he is required to tell me that keeping an FeLV+ is not safe for the rest of my cats...but neather is eating and breathingHe told me that he has seen several FeLV+ that have come in sick and then tested ...They have been living with other cats but he doesn't recal a case where other cats from the same group got sick...It seems to be stray cats that live a bad life for a
 period of time that are contacting the disease... >From my own observations..the average age may be 3 years but I think that if a cat is healthy and made it past 1 year he is in the group that lives for many more years...Many die between 6 months and 1 year which brings the average age way down but once he has made it past that window I think you have to look at a differant set of numbersI have now lost 4 under a year and I have one old girl that was in terable shape (a declawed stray) when I got her but with good food and fea meds and a couple years time she is doing well..My vet thinks she is over 12 years old TadBelinda Sauro wrote:
  Barbara,  Did you see my post about my typo, Bailey is 10, not 20.  But he has been positive since atleast 5 months of age when I found him, at the time I wasin Missouri and took him to three different vet, all 3 said "You might as well euthanize him, he will be dead in three months.  I had some experience with  FeLV and already knew this wasn't  true, but can you imagine how many healthy cats die because people take thier vets word as absolute and blindly do as they are advised?? Any cat that is positive and asymptomatic for as long as Bailey is classified as a carrier and the virus is most likely in the bone marrow.  I don't fool myself I know sat anytime he could become symptomatic and get sick.  One of the most important things is keeping the stress down, stress is a well known trigger of setting the virus off. Another thing and I can't speak about your
 vet, but it ahs been my experience the vets that have been practicing for a longer time are less experienced in the virus because they do not go to continuing education conferences to learn the newest updates about all diseases.  My now vet is very young and has been practicing for only about 6 or 7 years.  About 3 times a year she goes for a week or so at a time to conferences about the newest findings on many different diseases and she also goes to conferences to learn new treatment options.  She is learning acupunture and holistic medicine as well as traditional medicine.  She will someday be a very well rounded vet, and on top of all that to help keep my kitties stress down, she comes to the house for anything that doesn't absolutely need to be done at the office on her day off!!  They get their vaccines at home and blood draws for blood tests at home. And yes if I find something on the internet I think has merit I tell her about and she will research it
 for me. She allows me to bring them in right before any procedures instead of dropping them off in the morning and leaving them there all day, this is very stressful for cats especially.  And I wait and take them home as soon after the procedure as it is safe.  She is a gem and if she ever moves, I'll have to pull up stakes and follow her :)) No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005
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Re: TOM

2005-04-10 Thread Barbara Baass

Thanks Shelia,
I am happy that your kitties lived a long life with the felv in the bone marrow. I am really amazed. I hope & pray that Tom will have a long happy life.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Barbara,     I have several Felv cats, some as old as 14 yrs. One of my kitties 12 yrs was diagnosed with the bad kind in the bone marrow. He is happy and healthy and a joy to have in my life. The babies are so glad to have a home and people to love them that they just give you there best. Maybe your vet is not up on all the new research with Felv. I know they can live long happy lives if given the chance. The ones that don't make it that long pack a lot of living in the time they have, and every minute I have with them is precious. Besides there is no guarantee that any of our babies want develop some life threatening problems. Good Luck with finding him a home that will understand and cherish
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RE: TOM

2005-04-10 Thread Barbara Baass

Jen,
No problem. No Tom is not separated from the rest. I don't have the heart to make him different from the rest. the rest have all had their shots up to date. One has stomasstisis and has all his teeth pulled and it is still there. If any one, Sampson would be the one that I would suspect to get the felv virus first, but I hope not. Sampson is three, Bentley is 2, Tasha is 5 and Mitsy is 9. Did you have FIA test done?
I will try the Marley Fund site that you gave me. Thanks. I have been trying like crazy every body I can come up with. I put an ad in the paper and got two response, but they did not sound like ideal homes for Tom. I am not giving him up to just any body. He is such a great cat and so sweet. He wants to please you in every way that he can.
Thanks for all the information Jen. I appreciate it.
Jen Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hey Barbara--I just wanted to apologize for my outburst! Thank you for being so kind (to me as well as Tom)...Now that I'm thinking a little more rationally... ;) Do you have Tom separated from your other cats? I'm assuming you probably already do...the FeLV virus is actually a very fragile virus that dies pretty quickly outside of its host. If he's separated, your other cats have a near 0 chance of catching it (especially if they are healthy, vaccinated adult cats...even if not vaccinated, they stand an excellent chance of never catching it). But I can absolutely understand not wanting to take the risk with your resident cats...I actually mix my positive cats with my negative cats (the negatives ARE vaccinated) and have never had a negative turn up positive!
I know there ain't much room at most FeLV kitty inns...but have you tried Joy Eubanks at the Marley Fund? You can contact her through her website www.marleyfund.com. I'd suggest Best Friends, but I don't think anyone's been able to get an FeLV cat in there yet...they're at maximum capacity!
Give Tom a big hug from me...and don't be too persuaded by the statistics that your vet may be giving you about the life spans of FeLV cats! Most cats don't die of the virus itself, rather, they succumb to conditions that take advantage of their compromised immunes systems (cancer is the first thing that comes to mind). Take care and please let us know if you have any questions at all about FeLV!
Jen

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara BaassSent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 7:34 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: TOM
I know how you feel Jen, I am very sorry. I keep saying that I am going to put Tom down and then I find my self making the time longer. My other kitties will get this and Tom has already over stayed. He only has about another year & a half if even that and I keep thinking that I might be doing him a favor. Felv is a painful death to have to go through. I love Tom to death and I don't know what to do because of my other cats that are non-positive.
BarbaraJen Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'm sorry, am I being overly sensitive here, but after being on this list for sometime and sharing the tears of those who have fought to the very end for their babies lives...it's posts like these that really tap into a deep-seated resentment of some kind...I know you mean well, Barbara, and perhaps it's just bad timing after reading Nina's post about Jazz (I'm crying my eyeballs out)...but to read that someone would willingly put down a perfectly healthy FeLV baby like this...I don't know, maybe I should take a break...I really feel like I'm losing it sometimes! :(
Jen

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:48 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: TOM
I need to find Tom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep. I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and littler.
Barbara Baass
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RE: TOM

2005-04-10 Thread Barbara Baass

Nice to know you live in Houston Jen.Jen Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Oh! By the way, welcome to the list (although it is a bittersweet "hello!") from a fellow Texan (I live in Houston)! :)

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Re: TOM

2005-04-10 Thread Barbara Baass

Michelle,
I have contacted a number of out of state sanctuaries. They are all full. I am still trying. will contact a few more. thanks for the info. tom has been in contact with my others. It is impossible to keep all of them apart and I don't have the heart to make him different from the rest any how. Tom had ther serious felv. He had the IFA test. My vet said when they have that they live about 3 years.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Barbara,
You have no idea how long Tom has, and neither does anyone else. There are people on this list who have had FeLV+ cats live to over 10 years old. It is rare but it does happen. I have one whose age I don't want to say because I am superstitious and do not want to jinx her, but she is probably older than you are thinking Tom will live to be.
Also, cats do not die of FeLV. FeLV is like HIV-- it is a virus that diminishes the immune system and makes the cat more vulnerable to other conditions like lymphoma and URI's and certain kinds of anemia. So you have no idea how he will die when he dies, or when that will be.
As far as your negatives go, if you keep them separated they are safe. I have a negative and 4 positives and keep them in separate areas. The current wisdom on FeLV is that it does not survive longer than a few moments in the air, and that cats have to share water, litter, and food for a while before catching it from each other (before they manage to come into contact with virus before it has died in air, which is more likely to happen in a wet substance) or fight. Most people on this list even mix positives and negatives, just making sure the negatives get the FeLV vaccine every year. I do not do that because I feel like it is taking a chance, but even that is just a small chance and there seems to have been very little disease spread that way. So if you keep them separate, it should be fine. If they are already in close contact and have been for a while, chances are that those who would contract it already have.
Finally, I learned from someone recently that there is a cat sanctuary in Arizona that is exclusively for FeLV+ cats. I never tried to find it, but I assume you can find it on the web if you look. If you can't, I would contact Marley's Fund, which is such a group in NC and has a web page, and ask them if they know of it. Or contact Best Friends in Utah and ask them if they know about it or of anywhere else in the southwest that you can find him a home, if you are not willing to keep him.
Michelle
In a message dated 4/9/05 8:34:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I know how you feel Jen, I am very sorry. I keep saying that I am going to put Tom down and then I find my self making the time longer. My other kitties will get this and Tom has already over stayed. He only has about another year & a half if even that and I keep thinking that I might be doing him a favor. Felv is a painful death to have to go through. I love Tom to death and I don't know what to do because of my other cats that are non-positive.
Barbara

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2005-04-10 Thread Barbara Baass

Gloria,
Tom is a year & a half. He is a beautiful cat. I have been trying like crazy to find him a home. I put two ads in the paper. first one was no response. The second was was a $45 ad. Two response, but they did not sound like ideal homes for Tom. I am not giving him up to just any body and I just can't bring myself to have him put to sleep like one vet said to do. He is so sweet & wants to please you in every way that he can. I have put up posters and even contacted people from other states. I have tried San Antonio, Dallas & Houston. Do you have any other ideals? I just hope none of my other kitties get this. Tom has the serious type. They said it is in the bone marrow and he has about three years to live. He had the IFA test."Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Barbara, Welcome to the list - sorry if it's a rocky beginning.How old is he?I would think, in Austin, you might be able to find an FELV home, either singly or with others FELV cats. However, please be aware that the virus is not a very hearty, and lots of veterinarians have different attitudes (and knowledge) about FELV. You're lucky that your vet isn't one that euthanizes immediately.However, the virus is not considered that contagious; it dies farely rapidly on contact with the air. (Unlike those URI viruses). So at least for the time you have Tom, he's not that much of a risk for your kitties.Although your vet is following the "party line", many of us do mix our positives with our negatives, if simply because the virus is so fragile, not that contagious, and there's a lot not known about it. Many also use daily
 interferon to keep the virus in check.You might try some rescues in or around Austin, in Nacogdoches, San Antonio, Dallas, etc. If you want some suggestions for those let me know and I'll look some up.Gloriain Little Rock (with 2 FELV positives, and 3 FELV angels at the Bridge)At 07:48 PM 4/9/2005, you wrote:>Tad,>I had two test done for felv. The second was the IFA. I live in Austin, >Texas and my area code is 512-835-2484. I think that I need to re-write >this ad. I did not give enough information.>Tom came up a couple months ago crying & crying going from house to house. >He was hungry & lonely. I felt sorry for him and started feeding him and >letting him come in to sleep. I took him down and got all of his shots and >he tested positive for felv. He is one & a half year old and is a very >handsome cat. He weighs almost 13 pounds. He is a big boy. He is gray &
 >white. He is very aweet & lovable. He is people oriented & has a great >disposition. He really wants to please you and he is so smart.>I will re-do his ad tomorrow and put a picture of him on it. He is a >beautiful cat. My vet said that I can't keep him because I have 4 >non-positive cats and Tom must be placed with another of his own kind or >by his self.>>Barbara Baass>>>>>>>Tad Burnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:>Barbara> It would help a lot if you would give us a little more information > about Tom...>Where did he come from...How did you discover he is FeLV+...>How old is he...Does he get along with other cats..Is he people friendly...>>There isn't a great line of people waiting to take FeLV+ kitties...>You will need to convinse us that we want to save him...>>And what part of the world is he
 in.??? This list is world wide>>Tad>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:>>I need to find Tom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no >>choice but to put him to sleep. I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet >>said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by >>his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life >>in comfort. I will provide all food and littler.>>>>Barbara Baass>>835-2484>>>>>>>>>No virus found in this outgoing message.>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.>Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005>>>Do you Yahoo!?>Yahoo! Small Business - >Try >our new resources
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Re: TOM

2005-04-10 Thread Barbara Baass

I need to find Tom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep. I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and littler.
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Re: TOM

2005-04-10 Thread Barbara Baass

Belinda,
It was my Vet of 40 years that told me that. Tom had the IFA test. That is the one where it is in the bone marrow. He said they usually live about three years and Tom is about a year & a half.
Did you have the IFA test? If so, I am amazed that Bailey is 20. I am also surprised that none of your other kitties got it. I was told that they would.Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Barbara,I don't know who told you that Tom only has a year and a half left but they don't have a clue what they are talking about. Is there a reason for saying something like that? I have 6 kitties, Baiiley is my positive, he found me at 5 months of age and all three vets I took him to after testing positive said to euthanize his, he willonly live three months at best ... well they obviously didn't know what they were talking about. Bailey is 20 years old this May, and very healthy. He's been positive all of his life (atleast since 5 months of age), and has not ever been sick other than a cold here and there and just last year we battled stomastisis (mouth and gum problems) and once we pulled his teeth he has completely recovered and the stomastisis is no longer a problem.All of my guys live together and have since I have had
Bailey, NOBODY has ever gotten FeLV from him, I test and vaccinate all of my negatives every year, they just got vaccines about 3 weeks ago and I didn't even test because they ahve all lived together for almost 10 years and nobody is exhibiting any sypthoms and I figure the stress of drawing blood wasn't worth it, I really don't hink anyone will ever get it from Bailey, they are as close as they can possibly be and if they haven't gotten it in 10 years, chances are slim to none they ever will.They eat, sleep, groom and play together and yes occasionally somone gets scratched in play and nobody has every gotten it, it is not as easily transmitted as some very unknowledgable vets would lead you to believe.I just had to say this because I'm thinking you have been misinformed by someone. And if you got your information on the internet most websites on this are very outdated and incorrect. Chances of a healthy,
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2005-04-10 Thread Barbara Baass

You are kidding!!! That is really a positive thing to know, but did your have the serious kind that is in the bone marrow???Karolyn Lount <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi, I have also been mixing my + & - for 13yrs. and not one of mynegatives have become FeLF+
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2005-04-09 Thread Barbara Baass

Thanks, I am going to re-write the ad tomorrow. One of the members said that I didn't put down enough information. I will also ad his picture.Cherie A Gabbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

My house is full right now also, but I will cross post.
Cheriebarbarabaass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




I need to find "Tom" a home with his own kind. I have 4 non-positive cats and Tom has already over stayed. I will not have a choice if I can't place him soon. Send an E-Mail & I will send a picture. He is a very hansome cat. I will pay for all his food & littler. "PLEASE" help Tom live out the rest of his life in comfort.
 
Barbara Baass
835-2484
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Re: TOM

2005-04-09 Thread Barbara Baass

Tad,
I had two test done for felv. The second was the IFA. I live in Austin, Texas and my area code is 512-835-2484. I think that I need to re-write this ad. I did not give enough information.
Tom came up a couple months ago crying & crying going from house to house. He was hungry & lonely. I felt sorry for him and started feeding him and letting him come in to sleep. I took him down and got all of his shots and he tested positive for felv. He is one & a half year old and is a very handsome cat. He weighs almost 13 pounds. He is a big boy. He is gray & white. He is very aweet & lovable. He is people oriented & has a great disposition. He really wants to please you and he is so smart.
I will re-do his ad tomorrow and put a picture of him on it. He is a beautiful cat. My vet said that I can't keep him because I have 4 non-positive cats and Tom must be placed with another of his own kind or by his self.
Barbara Baass
Tad Burnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Barbara It would help a lot if you would give us a little more information about Tom...Where did he come from...How did you discover he is FeLV+...How old is he...Does he get along with other cats..Is he people friendly... There isn't a great line of people waiting to take FeLV+ kitties...You will need to convinse us that we want to save him... And what part of the world is he in.??? This list is world wide Tad[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I need to find Tom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep. I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and littler.
Barbara Baass
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Re: TOM

2005-04-09 Thread Barbara Baass

Barbara Baass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Del, I live in Austin, Texas and my area code is 512-835-2484. I didn't even thibnk of that.
 
BarbaraDel Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




I'm sorry my house is full-up but you did not give a location - state would be a big help, or area code.
 
Del

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I need to find Tom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep. I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and littler.
 
Barbara Baass
835-2484


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RE: TOM

2005-04-09 Thread Barbara Baass

I know how you feel Jen, I am very sorry. I keep saying that I am going to put Tom down and then I find my self making the time longer. My other kitties will get this and Tom has already over stayed. He only has about another year & a half if even that and I keep thinking that I might be doing him a favor. Felv is a painful death to have to go through. I love Tom to death and I don't know what to do because of my other cats that are non-positive.
BarbaraJen Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




I'm sorry, am I being overly sensitive here, but after being on this list for sometime and sharing the tears of those who have fought to the very end for their babies lives...it's posts like these that really tap into a deep-seated resentment of some kind...I know you mean well, Barbara, and perhaps it's just bad timing after reading Nina's post about Jazz (I'm crying my eyeballs out)...but to read that someone would willingly put down a perfectly healthy FeLV baby like this...I don't know, maybe I should take a break...I really feel like I'm losing it sometimes!  :(
 
Jen


-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:48 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: TOM
I need to find Tom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep. I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and littler.
 
Barbara Baass
835-2484
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2005-04-09 Thread Barbara Baass

Del, I live in Austin, Texas and my area code is 512-835-2484. I didn't even thibnk of that.
 
BarbaraDel Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




I'm sorry my house is full-up but you did not give a location - state would be a big help, or area code.
 
Del

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Subject: TOM

I need to find Tom a good home with another positive kitty or I have no choice but to put him to sleep. I have 4 non-positive kitties and my vet said I must place him some where to be with another of his own kind or by his self. PLEASE help save Tom and let him live out the rest of his life in comfort. I will provide all food and littler.
 
Barbara Baass
835-2484
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