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Re: Pics of Genevieve
Sherry... I was eating my lunch and thought I'd go look at the pictures. I only saw the first one... but OH MY GOODNESS!! That picture could have been taken at MY house!! The one on the right (long hair tortie) looks like my Riley, the one closest to the front of the picture (orange) looks like my Jack... and the one of the left (black and white) looks like Maya... and the one in the back is the image of my Wheezie that I lost in February! I nearly fell off my chair when I opened the photo... This is not sorta similar... this is nearly idential cats!! I'm so sorry for your loss... it's never easy... and you never quite get over it. But she'll always be with you. On 8/28/07, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a link to my album of this beautiful girl that I would like to share with you. http://www1.snapfish.com/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=174181509/a=42609805_42609805/t_=42609805 -- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top pickshttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48220/*http://tv.yahoo.com/on Yahoo! TV. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: fleas arhhhhh
I have not been keeping up with this thread... but I saw heartworms and decided to read more. *Everyone: Please don't be naive about heartworms!* Take it from someone who has been heartbroken over losing a kitty that was misdiagnosed with Asthma (when it was heartworms - diagnosed by necropsy). She died instantly from a pulmonary embolism caused by heartworms. I've lost her to heartworms... and have two other rescues who have tested positive. Most vets haven't seen it because they assume heart attack when it is really heartworms. We are in Florida and the vets here are seeing it more and more of it each year. They are also seeing it with *indoor only* cats. There is a blood test for antibodies and another test that can be done to test for antigens. I have used Revolution without problem ever since... Our vet won't even carry the new Advantage until there is more information on it... and more practical data on the use of it. Heartworm is out there (especially in warmer climates) and it is *deadly*... I'll never get over losing Salem... or the guilt of not double checking her diagnosis. Now I watch my two other boys who have been diagnosed with it like a hawk, and know I could lose either of them without a moment's notice. There is no cure for it like there is for dogs Sorry if I've jumped in here mid discussion... Leslie =^..^= On 8/27/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly, I have in the past discussed heartworms w/ Dr. Smith, and he said he has seen one case in 40+ years. I have never seen a case, myself,but I have seen several cats have skin reactions,nerve damage death even from Revolution. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: Re: fleas arh On 8/27/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frontline , Advantage is good, but I would not use Revolution, as as good forfleas, has Ivermec in it, can cause nerve damage in some cats and skin reactions. See, I use Revolution every month, especially on my heart disease kitty. I am more worried about heartworms than nerve damage or skin reactions. Not that nerve damage is good, but everything is a crapshoot it seems. I'd rather have nerve damage than heartworms. (Not that I want either). Some vets lately have been recommending Advantage Plus, which is supposed to kill everything Revolution does. I have not studied it yet and it is not available at the source from which I get my Revolution. -- -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Ki is an Angel
*DeDe... we are all so sorry for your loss. * *Leslie =^..^=* On 6/30/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that his belly looked really full. The way he was breathing was weird also. You could see his head and chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. He even ate a few pieces of food by himself. The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. My biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible death. Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have never put him in with most of the cats. I dunno...I could go crazy asking what if's I guess I believed he would be one of the lucky ones. He came from a horrible home...many FeLV cats and death. His siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would beat it. It was only a faint pos. He had a fever like this last Nov, but recovered, I am so grateful for the time I had with him. He came to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. I didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with him. He was a pistol, and rough to play with! I hope he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we can all be together forever. May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his care until we meet again. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
*Oh dear God Kelley... I'm so sorry you are dealing with all of this. I can imagine how frantic you must be. Are you feeling sick at all? Are you using any cleaning supplies that might be causing illness? Are you living in an older house that might have issues like this? I wish I had some good solid advice, but unfortunately until tests are run, we would all just be speculating. Please know we'll all be praying for you and your kitties... positive thoughts and energy certainly can't hurt!!* *Leslie =^..^=* On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
*Do they use arsenic in pressure treated lumber still today?!?* On 6/27/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check for arsenic as in treated lumber...decks, play areas etc. Even wood used in a basement. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:18 PM *Subject:* Something is killing my cats, please help me This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Letting go-written for those who have lost a beloved furbaby
*Wendy, Thank you for sharing this... it's so beautiful.* *Leslie =^..^=* On 6/22/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note: forwarded message attached. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow -- Forwarded message -- From: nanrayclarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:58:36 - Subject: [feline-hyperT] Letting go I found this essay some years ago, and I hope it will provide some comfort to those who have lost a beloved pet. The Fourth Day by Martin Scott Kosins If you ever love an animal, there are three days in your life you'll always remember. The first is a day, blessed with happiness, when you bring home your new friend. You may have spent weeks deciding, or asking opinions of many vets, or chosen that silly looking mutt or kitten in the shelter - simply because something in its eyes reached your heart. But when you bring that chosen pet home, and watch it explore, and claim its special place in your home - and when you feel it brush against you for the first time - it instills a feeling of pure love you will carry with you through the many years to come. The second day will occur eight or nine or ten years later. It will be a day like any other. Routine and unexceptional. But, for a surprising instant, you will look at your longtime friend and see age where you once saw youth. You will see slow deliberate steps where you once saw energy. And you will see sleep where you once saw activity. So you will begin to adjust your friend's diet - and you may add a pill or two to their food. And you may feel a growing fear deep within yourself, which bodes of a coming emptiness. And you will feel this uneasy feeling, on and off, until the third day arrives. And on this day - if your friend and God have not decided for you, then you will be faced with making a decision of your own - on behalf of your lifelong friend, and with the guidance of your own deepest Spirit. But whichever way your friend eventually leaves you - you will feel as alone as a single star in the dark night sky. If you are wise, you will let the tears flow as freely and as often as they must. And if you are typical, you will find that not many in your circle of family or human friends will be able to understand your grief, or comfort you. But if you are true to the love of the pet you cherished through the many joyfilled years, you may find that a soul - a bit smaller in size than your own - seems to walk with you, at times, during the lonely days to come. And at moments when you least expect anything out of the ordinary to happen, you may feel something brush against your leg - very very lightly. And looking down at the place where your dear, perhaps dearest, friend used to lay - you will remember those three significant days. The memory will most likely be painful, and leave an ache in your heart. As time passes the ache will come and go as if it has a life of its own. You will both reject it and embrace it, and it may confuse you. If you reject it, it will depress you. If you embrace it, it will deepen you. Either way, it will still be an ache. But there will be, I assure you, a fourth day when - along with the memory of your pet - and piercing through the heaviness in your heart - there will come a realization that belongs only to you. It will be as unique and strong as our relationship with each animal we have loved, and lost. This realization takes the form of a Living Love. Like the heavenly scent of a rose that remains after the petals have wilted, this Love will remain and grow - and be there for us to remember. It is a Love we have earned. It is the legacy our pets leave us when they go. And it is a gift we may keep with us as long as we live. It is a Love which is ours alone. And until we ourselves leave, perhaps to join our Beloved Pets - It is a Love that we will always possess. __._,_.___ Messages in this topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/message/54488;_ylc=X3oDMTM1cWdqazlrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMDg2OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNDI0MzUEbXNnSWQDNTQ0ODgEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMTgyNDczOTMyBHRwY0lkAzU0NDg4 (1) Reply (via web post) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwYWltcTViBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMDg2OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNDI0MzUEbXNnSWQDNTQ0ODgEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMTgyNDczOTMy?act=replymessageNum=54488| Start a new topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJkbnNyNnE1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMDg2OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNDI0MzUEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDbnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMTgyNDczOTMy
Re: Update:Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!
*Terrie - you are both in our prayers... * **hugs** *Leslie =^..^=* On 6/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Hi all,* *I wanted to update you all of what's been going on with my husband.* *My husband is on a lot of pain meds and is cantankerous. He isn't a happy camper.* *I have been at the hospital a lot and it is showing. I'm so tired when I do get home I'm only sleeping a few hours. I keep waking up then decide to get up and go back to the hospital. Of course feed the animals and such before leaving.* ** *On Friday the Drs. did the second surgery to look at the area and decide on what they are going to do. They cleanse the area and to check for new tissue growth.* *There is a lot of muscle and skin tissue damage plus the one bone is not connected due to it being shattered. They put a fresh VAC tube in him and closed him up.* *Came out to talk to me and said he needs to have a bone and skin grafts done. ASAP* *The Dr. said they would use a bone donor or take bone from his hip and take skin from his thigh area.* *This would the next surgery. The third surgery is today.* *My husband is still not out of danger yet. * *The Drs. are working hard to help and save his arm.* *So please keep your prayers coming...thanks!* *God bless you all.* *Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/* http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ -- See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Question about FIV/FeLV+ Mom and Kittens
*Okay, here's our situation - we have a double positive mom with four kittens. Two tested light positive for FIV, the other two tested positive for FeLV (one light, one strong... whatever that means). The kittens are only 8 weeks old, and we understand the results are meaningless at this point. We currently have all separated into three groups... mom, two FIV's and two FeLV's - and will await results when the kittens are a bit older. * ** *We are having a TERRIBLE time finding fosters for these kittens - they are currently being boarded but have to be picked upt this week (they currently have no where to go)... Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions? How long should we wait for accurate results? What can we do to boost the kitten's immune systems to potentially throw the virus(es)? * ** ** *** * -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Question about FIV/FeLV+ Mom and Kittens
*Tampa, Florida * On 5/14/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: where are you? On 5/14/07, Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Okay, here's our situation - we have a double positive mom with four kittens. Two tested light positive for FIV, the other two tested positive for FeLV (one light, one strong... whatever that means). The kittens are only 8 weeks old, and we understand the results are meaningless at this point. We currently have all separated into three groups... mom, two FIV's and two FeLV's - and will await results when the kittens are a bit older. * ** *We are having a TERRIBLE time finding fosters for these kittens - they are currently being boarded but have to be picked upt this week (they currently have no where to go)... Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions? How long should we wait for accurate results? What can we do to boost the kitten's immune systems to potentially throw the virus(es)? * ** ** *** * -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - fleas
*I had a similar situation with Frontline. Threw my boy Alex into liver failure. When the vet looked at his CBC he looked baffled and all he could say was This is a train wreck! - He explained that all he could do is start with the most important organs and work his way up. Thought we would lose Alex too... I'm very careful with Frontline... never had trouble with Advantage though.* *Leslie =^..^=* On 5/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I almost lost one of my cats using Advantage,, She was 3 years old went into a semi-coma Was hospitalized for over 3 weeks. Still never found out why. Thought I would lose her. I was frantic, didn't know just what the problem was Thank heavens she finally came around -after a really long time. I will *NEVER *use it again! Now use Frontline - NO problems at all... Still can't figure what the problem was. Either could vet. Just my personal experience Hugs, Patti her flea free gang -- See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: OT- - fleas/ Leslie
*We did not lose our big ole-sweetheart-polydactyl Alex... THANK GOODNESS!! He struggled for a few months though! * ** *Have you noticed how it burns them terribly to put Frontline or Advantage on them?! I sincerely hate using it... but have to. We are in Florida and are seeing a lot of heartworm in the cats... so I use Revolution now.* *Leslie =^..^=* On 5/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/10/07 4:29:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: *I'm very careful with Frontline... never had trouble with Advantage though. * *Leslie =^..^=* I guess we will never know *just what cr*p* they're using in their supposedly safe guards for flea prevention... Leslie, I am so sorry for your loss of Alex... Words can't even express my thoughts. I was *very* fortunate w/ Meisha. I know, only too well, that I did face losing her. And, that thought alone broke my heart.. Hugs, Patti her gang -- See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Update Junior
*What absolutely WONDERFUL news on Junior!! Thank you for sharing!! We all need the pick me up of happy things!! How awesome for Eric and Junior to help each other... animals are amazing therapy.* *Leslie =^..^=* On 4/27/07, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone Yesterday was a very good day for Junior. Actually he has been doing well for over two weeks. After a 1 month course of Baytril, I put him on Metacam for pain and inflammation. What a difference a week can make. He is like a kitten again. I never thought I would see him feeling so well. I did not want to say anything before now. I wanted to make sure it was real. He stays in Eric's room, because he does not want to be around the other cats. He now likes to venture out a bit and explore. Ok for the real good news, his vision is better. He can see close up again. Eric discovered this and had to show me. Now I am sure it is not great vision, but I guess the inflammation was causing part of his blindness. Junior is good therapy for Eric. Eric is suffering from some yet undiagnosed neuromuscular disease. Probably autoimmune in nature. Lately he has been in a lot of pain and is very week in his legs. Junior provides comfort and support for Eric while I am at work. I guess you could say he is a therapy cat, at least for Eric he is. I just thought I would share the good news. I am having problems with the PC cutting off on me after a few minutes. I have not been able to keep up with the group news. I hope every one's kitties are doing alright. I pray for all of them Sally, Junior, and the rest of the gang. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Stamp went to the bridge
*FIP is such a horrid disease... I'm so, so sorry for your loss. The Orion Foundation used to have beautiful pins to support FIP research and to wear in memory of those lost to FIP. I have one for both Gabby and Albert (siblings lost to FIP) and wear it all the time - It's a wonderful way to remember them, and give to a good cause. Visit http://www.orionfoundation.com/* *Leslie =^..^=* On 4/17/07, Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had Stamp PTS this morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from the FIP, was jaundiced, losing weight, and anemic. Beth -- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48245/*http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html;_ylc=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM- -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Purina cat foods
*We have not seen anything on these foods either... but our rescue has pulled all the foods with wheat gluten until further information on what is causing this problem with the wheat gluten is. Looks like in the wet food... all the loaf type foods don't seem to have the wheat gluten in them... We're trying to be safe rather than sorry (since they're adding foods to the list daily).* *Leslie =^..^=* On 4/11/07, Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I have been checking everywhere and haven't found any purina cat foods that have been recalled.. I feed fancy feast to Inky and Hills k/d. Also, I feed cat chow and friskies to the outside kitties..I haven't seen anything on 9-lives either..Please let me know if this info is correct.. This is so scary..Hope all your kitties are doing well. Kerry, Inky, and Angel Bandy -- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobilehttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43909/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/mailand always stay connectedhttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43909/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/mailto friends. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: suspicious email
*Doesn't sound like anyone I'd adopt to!* *Leslie =^..^=* On 4/11/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have posted two cats (Ashley and Cassidy) on petfinder.org and Cassidy on the FeLV adoption site. I have to borrow a digital camera since my flash broke, then I'll have pictures of Nonie (the new arrival). I received this email twice today: I have a new email address! You can now email me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey, i like to adopt this pet,get back with the last asking price - billy homes It seems kind of suspicious to me. I don't even know which pet he is talking about. He didn't list the name of the cat, or even the fact that it was a cat. Do you suppose this is one of those evil people who sells animals to research labs? I'm not even going to respond back. Furthermore, why the uk address? Hmmm…Any experience with this before? Melissa -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: More Recalls
*These were on the recall list last week...* *Leslie =^..^=* On 4/9/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *FDA issues alert after salmonella found in locally-made dog chew* http://www.komotv.com/news/6927487.html -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kittieshttp://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Servicehttp://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design]http://HostDesign4U.com http://hostdesign4u.com/ BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: More Recalls
*Hard to say... but if you go to http://www.howl911.com/#foods the FDA shows those as recalled on 4-05-2007. This site seems to have the most current information.* -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
OPINIONS - FOR OHIO
Tell your friends in Ohio to go to this website http://www.animal-outreach.org/spay.html It lists spay/neuter clinics in Ohio. Depending on what county they are in, they could call the county clinic listed and probably get more info for where they live. If you find out where in Ohio they live, I could do more research. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Cassidy is a boy!
*We had Katie and never had HER fixed because she had VSD (which is a very serious heart condition). The specialist vet did ultrasounds and other extensive diagnostics on this kitty... convinced he was a she. Until one day she was having a bath with her back leg raised above her head and... umm... what are those?! Talk about not being able to wrap your head around the concept that we had a boy named Sue... or named Katie!! LOL, we still laugh about that adorable little boy... we lost him a year ago to heart failure, but we'll always love our little guynamed Katie.* *Leslie =^..^=* On 4/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a feral cat, one that came to me through rescue, which a VET looked at and gave it's shots to before sending him to me, he was a neutered male per the vet. He had kittens about 6 months later, oh yes, NOW I know WHY the other males were SO friendly to him! His name? Little Guy! He is still called Little Guy. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: satine
*Jenna, I'm very sorry for your loss... it is never easy. Please know that your house is safe... the virus does not live very long outside the body. Leslie =^..^=* On 3/29/07, Jenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I joined this list because my kitty died on Sunday from feline lukemia she also had feline hiv. She was a stray I adopted two years ago, and when I first adopted her I tested her and she came back negative. I think she contracted it before I adopted her, and I have kept her up to date on all her shots. It has been very very hard for me. I don't know if I will ever heal. I miss having her around, am wondering if I can ever have another kitty. I would make sure if I adopted they would be negative and have all their shots and not be a stray- but I don't know if my apartment will be safe or if it will have the virus still around. How long should I wait? -- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Good Bye Mama Kitty
*I think I missed something... wasn't she having seizures? Did you find out what caused them? * ** *I'm sooo sorry Elizabeth... When I read about the seizures I felt so bad... I went through that with our Tikki (double positive) last year. We never did find out what was causing them. * *I'm sooo sorry for your loss. * ** *Leslie =^..^=* On 3/28/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:27 AM 3/28/2007, you wrote: OhElizabeth I hurts so much I know, You are not alone and it is good Mama Kitty is in no more pain, and you have taken that pain for her. Time will ease the pain and the happy memories will take over, but that will take a while,] You are not alone in this, all of our thoughts are with you now, Kelly L Mama Kitty, You will forever rest in this yard that you loved so much. You are surrounded by roses. I covered your grave with tulips and apple blossoms. It hurts so much to say goodbye. You will forever be alive in my heart. I love you. elizabeth No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: 3/26/2007 -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Slinky - Sad News
*Marissa... every loss on this list feels like I've lost one of my own! I'm so, so sorry... hugs to you and to Slinky* *Leslie =^..^=* On 3/26/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Marissa, Your Slinky is truly amazing, a walking miracle, defying all the odds. Enjoy every possible moment with your brave little trooper. Try not to even think of his passing. I'm glad he has such an upbeat, loving mom. big hugs to you both, Kerry -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Marissa Johnson *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2007 12:03 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Slinky - Sad News Hi all. Thank you so much for all the GLOW and well wishes. Slinky and I just got back from the vet (and a spin through the park). I am sad to report that his HCT has dropped to just over 5! It was a little above 7 on Friday. The vet didn't even want to give him the IR shot today because she said his platlettes (sp?) are so low that when they stick him in the vein he just bleeds. She thought an IV injection would do more harm than good. She agrees with me that it's best to let him go. She said she's never seen a cat with HCT that low who was still awake and breathing ok (which, amazingly, he is). But she also indicated that as the RBC's drop, his organs will shut down and things will just get worse. Unfortunately, I'm not sure when this will happen. I needed to bring him home right now so I'd have some time to say goodbye and do some of his favorite things. But I have a HGE day at work tomorrow and am not sure I'll get through it if I put him down tonight. Tomorrow night I have an evening meeting for work that I can't get out of! So it might have to be Wednesday. I don't know...I'd just die if he gets worse before then, but some things can't be rescheduled (I've already missed several days of work to take care of him and be with him). He's pretty much the same...still breathing fine, eating, drinking, and using his box. So I guess for now I'll just see how it goes. They said they'd fit me in any time. Thanks again for all your support! I will be getting another kitty eventually (he is my only and my first as an adult!!)...but I don't think I'm up for another FeLV pos. I'm thinking maybe one who's missing an eye or has a bad leg or is deaf or something. Something that makes them difficult to adopt but isn't life threatening...I just don't think I can go through this again right now. I hope all your furkids are well. I'll let you know when I need to add Slinky to the CLS. Thanks! MJ and Slinky -- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flickhttp://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail#newsin no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail#news IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
FeLV Kitten with Pneumonia
*In our rescue we adopted out a kitten, who came back to us FeLV+. When our volunteer went to pick him up, he had been kept outside and now has pneumonia. He is a sweet little six month old orange tabby. He's eating on his own, but breathing heavily and she said she can hear that his chest is full. * ** *Our vets are not cool with trying to maintain a FeLV kitty, so we're flying blind on this one. Can anyone recommend a course of treatment that has worked with their FeLV kitties for a severe infection?* ** *Thanks,* *Leslie =^..^=* ** ** -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Fwd: Questions and concerns
*This message came from Kathleen Bowers... she is trying to join the group, but in the interim I wanted to forward her email so she can start getting responses. I told her she found the best group around!!* *Leslie =^..^=* -- Forwarded message -- From: KATHLEEN BOWERS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mar 9, 2007 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Questions and concerns To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a 13 year old *indoor* *only* female cat who was tested for feline leukemia as a kitten and was neg. She was vac. for a few years in a row Then the vet said this is not necessary since she is 100% indoors, so we stopped. I had her to the vet in Nov. 2006 for a routine physical- all was ok , healthy 17 lbs. At that visit she was the second pt. of that particular day. Pt. #1 was severely ill and the owner was crying uncontrollably. It was weighed on the same scale but unknown of further contact by the same staff members. I even said to the weighing person if she cleaned that scale after the sick cat and she got defensive and said that they clean the scale after each weigh (I wonder about that now) Now it is March and my cat is positive for feline leukemia. We are devastated!! I can't stop crying. She is now 12.5 lbs. weak and can't eat or drink much. She tries but can't eat much she even cries out because she would love to eat. We try to give her Prednisone and an antibiotic but she fights taking it and we dread putting her through it all. Will these drugs really help much? How did this happen to my baby??? who is only indoors. I have another healthy cat also who is indoor only 14 yrs. old and same story tested- neg early and no longer gets vac. I'm terrified for her also. How and when do you decide to end the life of your baby? It is so heart breaking to see her sick and know she won't get better. My husband and I are half out of our minds knowing what is to come. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Questions and concerns
*Glad someone brought up Amitriptyline! I have a few very nervous cats and they were prescribed Amitriptyline. I have taken them off the medication because it makes them too tired to be nervous! Has anyone ridden out the side effects to see if they do, in fact, go away after some time?? I always revert back to the quality versus quantity - I would not want to live zonked out* *Leslie =^..^=* On 3/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Medicating with amitriptyline (sp?) helps nervous cats lots of times. Prozac is also sometimes used. As for the FELV vaccine, I don't believe in giving it to adult cats at all. Healthy adult cats develop natural immunity as they approach adulthood. The only time I would use it were if I had a kitten under 1 year old that I knew was going to be exposed to FELV. Then, I would give one shot, and never again. There are no studies that suggest that repeated vaccines increase immunity, and in fact, most trials show that most vaccines produce immunity for life, or at least for many years (depending on the vaccine). (you'll note that us humans don't have to go in for annual smallpox and rubella vaccines) As for rabies, I would not give it more than once every 3 years, and I would NOT use an adjuvanted vaccine, so that means it would have to be Merial's Purevax rabies, as that is currently the ONLY non-advuvanted rabies vaccine. Of course, you have your local and state laws to consider with regards to the rabies vaccine, most places require it legally. More info on vaccines can be found at: http://ucat.us/vaccines.html Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Questions and concerns
*Mine is fear aggressive. They growl and strike out of fear... which causes everyone to pick on her more... and as a result there is nothing I can do but separate her which isn't fair either. But I agree, being tired is better than being so frightened that you won't come out to eat or pee...* *Leslie =^..^=* On 3/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, don't try Prozac, it makes them much more zombie like than the Amitriptyline does... just FYI. I think zombie is preferable to hiding under the bed scared for life, too paranoid to even come out to eat or pee, which describes my Miranda cat. That's not much of a quality of life either, IMO. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Questions and concerns
*LOL... sorry, not funny, but I couldn't figure out what you meant at first! I find lots-o hair balls under the bed - been lucky enough to not have cats who mistake for a litter box (yes, knocking on wood!)... always a fun task to clean under there. yuck.* *Leslie =^..^=* On 3/8/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So did I, apparently, until I got under there and cleaned this past weekend. :-( *TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: i have an under-the-bed litterbox for my under-the-bed cats. obviously, it's a rather high bed, and they're rather low cats! On 3/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She has gotten to where she eats if I put food under the bed with her, still struggling to try to find a safe litterbox though. The others like to gang up on her, and they have stalked her so much that she's just a wreck. Our goal some day (when we hit the lottery, LOL) is to build her her own room, with big picture windows, an outdoor enclosure, TV, cat tree, and her own twin sized bed to hide under. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Fluids at home
*Someone had posted a clothes-pin trick... does anyone have that link still?! Sounds like this would do the trick for this little one...* *Leslie =^..^=* On 3/7/07, Del H. Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Years ago I gave my Felipe fluids/sub-Q at home and he just sat there, no problem.* *PLEASE tell me what I can do to keep a jumpy fellow cooperative. I can't go back to the vet every day where he/Malachi, 18#, lays quite sweetly for the tech. This is the third day I have failed, confidence in myself is history. Sent hubby out for chocolate to sooth my wounded ego. Malachi is generally an easy-going guy. Any and all tips would be greatly appreciated. I have two CRF who will be needing sub-q soon, too.* ** *Del* - Original Message - *From:* Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:45 PM *Subject:* Re: False positive and negative? At 06:39 PM 3/6/2007, you wrote: BOY do you need a new VETand learn to do fluids at home, we can all help and there is a pharmacy on line where you can get what you need once you become comfortable and I CANT IMAGINE a vet with holding treatment! Congratulations for using your own brain and boy would I be telling that vet off!!! Kelly I have seen a lot of you post that your cats posted negative, positive, negative. Is this common? Do some cats get over it or are the tests errored? My beloved Nebs was diagnosed two weeks ago just after his fourth birthday. I took him to the vet with a very bad case of the runs and no appetite. The vet, one I had not been to before, told me Nebs was felv positive and would be dead in a matter of days. He told me his kidneys were huge and the virus had destroyed them. He recommended that I put him down right away. I couldn't do it. He was too special and deserved a chance. He told me nothing would help. I asked him to do what another vet had done for another cat once, an injection of fluids for dehydration. He gave him that, but refused any medication, saying it wouldn't do any good. The next day, I begged him for some antibiotics and he gave me them but told me not to get my hopes up. I gave Nebs the medicine, and some Pet-tonic. The next day he was eating again. In two days, he was eating like a hog. In 3 days, his runs were gone. It's now been 2 weeks, and instead of being dead as the doctor predicted, he's practically back to normal! He's gained almost all his weight back and has his swagger again. His third eyelid, present for almost a year, is also gone. His stools are more normal than they've been in ages. I am wondering if maybe he'd had a severe kidney and intestional infection, and when that was cleared up, he was all right. I don't know if he's really felv positive or not, I'll get him retested at another vet soon, but even if he has it, his immune system was not as 'shot' as the vet said it was. So my questions are, are the tests sometimes wrong, and can a cat go in and out of good health while being infected? I had always heard the first sickness would basically be the last. I also want to say, please do not give up on your kitty if the vet says to put him down, he's going to die. You know your pet better than anyone, and if you feel he isn't at his end, don't do it. I am so glad I gave Nebs another chance when the vet didn't. The fish are biting. Get more visitorshttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49679/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140cmp=Yahooctv=Q107Taglines=Ys2=EMb=50on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49679/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140cmp=Yahooctv=Q107Taglines=Ys2=EMb=50 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 3/5/2007 -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Fluids at home
*Found it! ** http://www.felinecrf.org/giving_sub-qs_syringe.htm#clothes_peg_trick*http://www.felinecrf.org/giving_sub-qs_syringe.htm#clothes_peg_trick *** http://www.felinecrf.org/giving_sub-qs_syringe.htm#clothes_peg_trick*http://www.felinecrf.org/giving_sub-qs_syringe.htm#clothes_peg_trick * **Leslie =^..^= * On 3/7/07, Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Someone had posted a clothes-pin trick... does anyone have that link still?! Sounds like this would do the trick for this little one...* *Leslie =^..^=* On 3/7/07, Del H. Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Years ago I gave my Felipe fluids/sub-Q at home and he just sat there, no problem.* *PLEASE tell me what I can do to keep a jumpy fellow cooperative. I can't go back to the vet every day where he/Malachi, 18#, lays quite sweetly for the tech. This is the third day I have failed, confidence in myself is history. Sent hubby out for chocolate to sooth my wounded ego. Malachi is generally an easy-going guy. Any and all tips would be greatly appreciated. I have two CRF who will be needing sub-q soon, too. * ** *Del* - Original Message - *From:* Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:45 PM *Subject:* Re: False positive and negative? At 06:39 PM 3/6/2007, you wrote: BOY do you need a new VETand learn to do fluids at home, we can all help and there is a pharmacy on line where you can get what you need once you become comfortable and I CANT IMAGINE a vet with holding treatment! Congratulations for using your own brain and boy would I be telling that vet off!!! Kelly I have seen a lot of you post that your cats posted negative, positive, negative. Is this common? Do some cats get over it or are the tests errored? My beloved Nebs was diagnosed two weeks ago just after his fourth birthday. I took him to the vet with a very bad case of the runs and no appetite. The vet, one I had not been to before, told me Nebs was felv positive and would be dead in a matter of days. He told me his kidneys were huge and the virus had destroyed them. He recommended that I put him down right away. I couldn't do it. He was too special and deserved a chance. He told me nothing would help. I asked him to do what another vet had done for another cat once, an injection of fluids for dehydration. He gave him that, but refused any medication, saying it wouldn't do any good. The next day, I begged him for some antibiotics and he gave me them but told me not to get my hopes up. I gave Nebs the medicine, and some Pet-tonic. The next day he was eating again. In two days, he was eating like a hog. In 3 days, his runs were gone. It's now been 2 weeks, and instead of being dead as the doctor predicted, he's practically back to normal! He's gained almost all his weight back and has his swagger again. His third eyelid, present for almost a year, is also gone. His stools are more normal than they've been in ages. I am wondering if maybe he'd had a severe kidney and intestional infection, and when that was cleared up, he was all right. I don't know if he's really felv positive or not, I'll get him retested at another vet soon, but even if he has it, his immune system was not as 'shot' as the vet said it was. So my questions are, are the tests sometimes wrong, and can a cat go in and out of good health while being infected? I had always heard the first sickness would basically be the last. I also want to say, please do not give up on your kitty if the vet says to put him down, he's going to die. You know your pet better than anyone, and if you feel he isn't at his end, don't do it. I am so glad I gave Nebs another chance when the vet didn't. The fish are biting. Get more visitorshttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49679/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140cmp=Yahooctv=Q107Taglines=Ys2=EMb=50on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49679/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140cmp=Yahooctv=Q107Taglines=Ys2=EMb=50 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 3/5/2007 -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Fluids at home
*You're very welcome! I dismissed it when I first saw it... until I saw someone else that tried it and said (much to my surprise) that it worked! So I bookmarked it... Good luck! And let us know if it does work!!* *Leslie =^..^=* On 3/7/07, Del H. Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Thank you Leslie :) Lots of info there for me.* ** *Del* - Original Message - *From:* Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2007 2:45 PM *Subject:* Re: Fluids at home *Found it! ** http://www.felinecrf.org/giving_sub-qs_syringe.htm#clothes_peg_trick *http://www.felinecrf.org/giving_sub-qs_syringe.htm#clothes_peg_trick+ *** http://www.felinecrf.org/giving_sub-qs_syringe.htm#clothes_peg_trick * http://www.felinecrf.org/giving_sub-qs_syringe.htm#clothes_peg_trick+* **Leslie =^..^= * On 3/7/07, Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Someone had posted a clothes-pin trick... does anyone have that link still?! Sounds like this would do the trick for this little one...* *Leslie =^..^=* On 3/7/07, Del H. Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Years ago I gave my Felipe fluids/sub-Q at home and he just sat there, no problem.* *PLEASE tell me what I can do to keep a jumpy fellow cooperative. I can't go back to the vet every day where he/Malachi, 18#, lays quite sweetly for the tech. This is the third day I have failed, confidence in myself is history. Sent hubby out for chocolate to sooth my wounded ego. Malachi is generally an easy-going guy. Any and all tips would be greatly appreciated. I have two CRF who will be needing sub-q soon, too. * ** *Del* - Original Message - *From:* Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:45 PM *Subject:* Re: False positive and negative? At 06:39 PM 3/6/2007, you wrote: BOY do you need a new VETand learn to do fluids at home, we can all help and there is a pharmacy on line where you can get what you need once you become comfortable and I CANT IMAGINE a vet with holding treatment! Congratulations for using your own brain and boy would I be telling that vet off!!! Kelly I have seen a lot of you post that your cats posted negative, positive, negative. Is this common? Do some cats get over it or are the tests errored? My beloved Nebs was diagnosed two weeks ago just after his fourth birthday. I took him to the vet with a very bad case of the runs and no appetite. The vet, one I had not been to before, told me Nebs was felv positive and would be dead in a matter of days. He told me his kidneys were huge and the virus had destroyed them. He recommended that I put him down right away. I couldn't do it. He was too special and deserved a chance. He told me nothing would help. I asked him to do what another vet had done for another cat once, an injection of fluids for dehydration. He gave him that, but refused any medication, saying it wouldn't do any good. The next day, I begged him for some antibiotics and he gave me them but told me not to get my hopes up. I gave Nebs the medicine, and some Pet-tonic. The next day he was eating again. In two days, he was eating like a hog. In 3 days, his runs were gone. It's now been 2 weeks, and instead of being dead as the doctor predicted, he's practically back to normal! He's gained almost all his weight back and has his swagger again. His third eyelid, present for almost a year, is also gone. His stools are more normal than they've been in ages. I am wondering if maybe he'd had a severe kidney and intestional infection, and when that was cleared up, he was all right. I don't know if he's really felv positive or not, I'll get him retested at another vet soon, but even if he has it, his immune system was not as 'shot' as the vet said it was. So my questions are, are the tests sometimes wrong, and can a cat go in and out of good health while being infected? I had always heard the first sickness would basically be the last. I also want to say, please do not give up on your kitty if the vet says to put him down, he's going to die. You know your pet better than anyone, and if you feel he isn't at his end, don't do it. I am so glad I gave Nebs another chance when the vet didn't. The fish are biting. Get more visitorshttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49679/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140cmp=Yahooctv=Q107Taglines=Ys2=EMb=50on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49679/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140cmp=Yahooctv=Q107Taglines=Ys2=EMb=50 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 3/5/2007 -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy
Re: 14 cats going to be tested
*Good luck Debbie... but please don't beat yourself up if one or two are positive... those cats are lucky little souls to have found you! I agree... I wouldn't trade the relationships I've had with my kitties either... every one is special in his/her own way. * *Leslie =^..^=* On 3/6/07, Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not looking forward to taking them all in, but we felt we should know. This way at least we can take extra care for any that might test positive. We went out and got lots of carriers. Going to have to take two vehicles. The vet we chose is about 17 miles from us. They gave us a mutiple cat discount but everyone had to go in at once. I appreciate the people on this list taking the time out to comment. I tend to be a loner most times. I am at work at the moment. I work with ALOT of farmers who look at cats as a nuisance here. Makes for some very unpleasant conversations at times here. I have had cats for as long as I remember. I would not trade those friendships for all the human ones in the world. It is always refreshing though to find people who care as much about animals as I do. The Humane Society here said I was not doing the cats any favors by taking in so many, without having them all tested and vaccinated for FELV. We got all the cats at the same time. All abandoned, some even starving. We have had them all spayed/ neutered and had all other shots. We keep them all indoors and keep them clean, well groomed, etc... I would have hoped for a better response from a Humane Society. I had asked them if we bought all the vaccines if they would administer the shots for a donation. I refuse to ever turn a blind eye to an animal in need of help. If that means spending alot of money on them than so be it. -Original Message- From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Mar 6, 2007 3:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: 14 cats going to be tested Sending lots of good vibes for tonight Debbie. Let us know how it goes when you have time. Kerry M. -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Debbie *Sent:* Tuesday, March 06, 2007 2:09 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* 14 cats going to be tested Am taking our 14 cats in tonight to be tested for FELV. This was after we had Elsa put to sleep because of fluid in her lungs and her testing positive. Wish us luck. I don't know what to expect. I'd like to think no one else will test positive, but I doubt that will be the case. All the cats are around the same age (3-4 yrs). Different litters though. Has a genetic factor to this disease ever been found? IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Wendy
*We have a cat in our rescue right now that looks JUST likeToshi too!* *Leslie =^..^=* On 2/28/07, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible for you to send me a pic of the close up shot of Toshi?? I want to show my friend at work.? THanks Sherry -- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alertshttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49938/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: I'm back
*Okay, I guess I haven't been around long enough... but do tell about the parachute jump for the donkey sanctuary!* *Leslie =^..^=* On 2/21/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Michelle, I'm naturally sorry for the reason you're back, but it's so good to hear from you-I often think about you and your furballs and your parachute jump for the donkey sanctuary. I'm glad you found a vet you feel will do everything possible for Minstral. Sending your little sweetie healing vibes. hugs, Kerry -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:00 AM *To:* Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* I'm back Hello All Sorry I've been a silent member for a while due to work etc... but I am unfortunately back now and will be for a while. Just had Minstral to the vets cos I noticed a very subtle behaviour change - she became more affectionate to me and scratched her jaw a bit more than usual - I suspected gingivitis again but Minstral being Minstral is not a handleable cat at the best of times. However at vets we found only very mild Gingivitis but her lymph nodes are a bit swollen. I think we are going to start interferon omega now whilst we have caught the changes early. I have chosen not to do bloods at the moment due to not wanted to stress her out to much. PS - she isn't being affectionate now after I grabbed her from behind and bundled her into the cat carrier to go off to the vets bless her. I hadn't seen this vet in consultation before but knew he would be good from a brief encounter with him when we were going through the emergencies with Bramble in the past. I instantly went in with a somewhat knowledgeable attitude and told him I had gone to him as I felt he would work with me to do everything possible for Minstral to help her have a quality of life and not write her off. After dropping in some technical terms he said I was well informed so I think he will work with me. Unfortunately our last vet has left so had to select another one so have to picky and find the right one. Any tips very welcome? Michelle, Buddy, Minstral Angel Bramble IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Chocolate cat needs a name
*I wanted to say that too... I like Ruben. But then I like unusual names... real names.* *Leslie =^..^=* On 2/19/07, tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aw...I LIKE Reuben. Afterall, hasn't he gone through enough already without having to learn a new name that his new owners (when he is adopted) will most likely change again anyway? *catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: truffle? truffles? *Wolf, Leah R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: How about Hershey? Or Milton? Leah -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Gussies mom *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2007 10:10 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* OT: Chocolate cat needs a name I volunteer with a rescue that has taken in cats from a hoarding case. Some have tested FeLV+. One of the cats that tested negative and is awaiting a retest is a cocoa colored cat. He is all brown. I have never seen a cat like this in person. Anyway, his name was Reuben and we are searching for a better name. The possibilitties so far are Cocoa, Chocolate Boy, and Whitman, none of which I care for. If anyone can think of a name for a chocolate colored cat, can you please let me know. You can email me off list if you want. And please keep your fingers crossed he retests negative. Beth -- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49982/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49982/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html -- Food fight?http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/index;_ylc=X3oDMTFvbGNhMGE3BF9TAzM5NjU0NTEwOARfcwMzOTY1NDUxMDMEc2VjA21haWxfdGFnbGluZQRzbGsDbWFpbF90YWcx?link=asksid=396545367Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA.http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/index;_ylc=X3oDMTFvbGNhMGE3BF9TAzM5NjU0NTEwOARfcwMzOTY1NDUxMDMEc2VjA21haWxfdGFnbGluZQRzbGsDbWFpbF90YWcx?link=asksid=396545367 -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Help with Stomatitis
*Someone in our group has a lovely cat (negative for FIV and FeLV) with terrible Stomatitis. He has had his teeth pulled (except canines) and she said his poor mouth looks like ground beef. She is very concerned... and to make things worse, this boy who's favorite pastime is eating, is now refusing food. The vet put him on Pred. Zithromax and Interferon yesterday... however he didn't seem to hold out much help. I was hoping there was some other ideas out there. I have never (KNOCK ON WOOD) had this affliction in any of our rescues... so I'm at a loss with regard to what to suggest. Any ideas would be GREATLY appreciated... we're really worried about this little guy. It would seem like something like OraGel could be used to reduce pain?? * -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Respiratory Distress
*Sorry, a lot of us are still at work. I agree with Kelley... the Feline-Heart group was S, SO helpful to me. It's a wonderful group. * *Leslie =^..^=* On 2/13/07, Lora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley, Thanks so much replying to my email, for you have been the ONLY one to respond to my thread. I sincerely appreciate the link. I will check it out. Thanks again! Lora --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, You might have better luck asking this question on the feline heart list. I have a kitty with heart disease but don't know the answer to this question. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-heart/ --- Lora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, folks! Can a cat have Asthma AND Pulmonary Parenchymal Disease (pulmonary edema) WITHOUT having Cardiomyopathy i.e. Dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM), Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (HCM) and Restrictive cardiomyopathy (RCM)? My six (6) year old FeLV negative neutered male was diagnosed with Asthma and pulmonary edema today. Cardiomyophy diagnosis is still pending. He is also negative for FIP. Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks! Lora Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091 -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: add sweet Houston to the CLS 2/8/2007
*Gloria, so sorry for both of your losses in the past few months... * *Leslie =^..^=* On 2/9/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My sweet Houston died last night. He came to me from Susan, who worked hard to trap him and bubba Dallas out west of Little Rock. Houston and Dallas tested positive for FELV. They were just babies, and Dallas was a wormy kitten back then. That was Spring 2004. They grew up healthy happy cats, at least up until the last couple of weeks of their lives. Dallas died in September 2006, of mediastinal lymphoma. His bubba Houston just now joined him last night; he died quietly, was anemic, and Susan came over to see him before his passing. They both died after missing some time on their daily interferon, don't know for sure if that's connected, but I do think it is. They were both sweet loving kitties, playful, mischievous, just wonderful. I'm glad to have known them; I'll miss them. They'll be in good company - Leader, Mittens, Calawalla Banana Booboo, Mr. Black Kitty, and all the rest. Gloria -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Please add my Leader to the CLS
*Susan, my heart is just breaking for you. I lost my soul-kitty Wheezie on Saturday... and it was one of the most difficult losses I've ever had to cope with. He was the love of my life... so I can imagine a bottle baby you've had from so young. We feel so helpless sometimes... Wheezie had congestive heart failure that we were treating for over six months with a cardiologist... but I know the feeling of leaving in the morning and praying when you open the door at the end of the day that his beautiful face would be there to greet me. I'm so sorry for your loss Susan... we all are. Hopefully Wheezie and Leader are playing together pain free and happy* **hugs** *Leslie =^..^=* On 2/6/07, Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as I had feared, my little miracle man, Leader, was dead when I got home yesterday evening.I'd given him a kiss and he'd meowed me a little good bye before I left him -- all wrapped up in the sweatshirt I'd slept in and cuddled warm on my bed with some of his buddies staying close. Born with feline leukemia, and my bottle baby from age 3 weeks, he outlived his 5 brothers and sisters by years - in fact he was just a couple of months shy of six years. Someone said to me yesterday that I must have given him good care -- but I know it wasn't the care he received; his littermates all got the same care and Mittens, his brother who went to live with Gloria, got better, more consistent good care.It was just the luck of the draw. I am so honored to have had him in my life for so long. He was truly amazing, and I shall miss him terribly - as I did last night when I reached out and he wasn't by my head. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Leslie and Wheezie
*Nina, Diane and Kerry... you are all so sweet. I didn't post our horrible loss because Wheezie was FIV+ not FeLV. In addition, it's a very hard fact for me to really face. I've found myself in some serious denial about the whole thing. We do rescue and have 13 FIV+ kitties... and two FeLV+ as well as spina bifida and asthmatic kitties, it seems we manage to get all the health issues... but Wheezie was the love of my life, so this one is particularly difficult.* ** *Thank you all for your support... and caring. It means the world. It really does...* *Leslie =^..^=* On 2/6/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leslie, I didn't seem to get your original email. I'm truly sorry to hear about your beloved Wheezie. It's so hard, suddenly not to see their sweet little faces at the door any more, when get home. I'm glad Wheezie was so cherished, and I hope all the good memories eventually bring you comfort. big hugs, Kerry M. -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Rosenfeldt, Diane *Sent:* Tuesday, February 06, 2007 3:02 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* RE: Leslie and Wheezie Leslie, my condolences on the loss of your heart-kitty Wheezie. My special boy Luc is 15 and when I dare to contemplate him no longer being here it hurts like hell. Gentlest of Bridge vibes to Wheezie and hugs to you. Diane R. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Nina *Sent:* Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:59 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Leslie and Wheezie Leslie, I'm so sorry to hear about Wheezie. Sometimes I feel like I just can't stand all the loss, but somehow we force ourselves to go on. You'd think that knowing our loved ones are in jeopardy would somehow prepare us, somehow make that fateful day when we are forced to say goodbye easier, but for me it never does. It always tears my heart apart. They are all so special, but some touch our lives so deeply, in ways we can't even put into words. I just wanted you to know I get it and I'm so very sorry. Prayers that soon you'll be smiling through your tears at all the wonderful memories of your beloved Wheezie. With love, Nina Leslie Lawther wrote: *Susan, my heart is just breaking for you. I lost my soul-kitty Wheezie on Saturday... and it was one of the most difficult losses I've ever had to cope with. He was the love of my life... so I can imagine a bottle baby you've had from so young. We feel so helpless sometimes... Wheezie had congestive heart failure that we were treating for over six months with a cardiologist... but I know the feeling of leaving in the morning and praying when you open the door at the end of the day that his beautiful face would be there to greet me. I'm so sorry for your loss Susan... we all are. Hopefully Wheezie and Leader are playing together pain free and happy * **hugs** *Leslie =^..^=* This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Please add to CLS and Special Needs List
*Susan, I'm so sorry for your horrible weekend... and the possible loss of your colony kitten. We care for several colonies as well... and know how sad it is when you suspect something has happened to one of them. * ** *Prayers for your little Leader too... * **hugs** *Leslie =^..^=* On 2/5/07, Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This has not been a good weekend at my house. I have a little 4-cat feral colony I have fed daily for a year -- we've had pretty bad weather lately and I've put mounds of food out -- and haven't seen Buddy and Sissy, two little longhaired tabby littermates in over a week. Hoped that they were just coming and eating when they were hungry since there was so much food - and not coming around waiting for me to get there at my usual time. Sat. I called and called - it was a nice day, warmer and sunny, and I'd left only a small amt. of food Friday hoping they'd show up Sat. A man who lives next to where I feed them came out and told me that one of the tabbies had been hit by a car and died in his yard. From his description I think it was Buddy. I am devastated. Buddy had evolved from a totally feral little boy to a friendly fella who met me in the Backyard Burger (where the feeding station is) parking lot when he heard my car. I could pet him, even rub his tummy. If I sat still I could ease him into my lap. His sister still wouldn't let me touch her but has been getting better. I planned to relocate both Buddy and Sis to my back yard as soon as I could touch Sissy.Separating them wasn't an option. Sissy was Buddy's little shadow - she depended on him so.I didn't try to trap her since she was coming around and I figured in a month or two more I would be able to pet her. Now I am kicking myself for not relocating them sooner. I have a friend who feeds for me on Sunday and she saw Sissy -- or at least she thinks it was Sissy and not Buddy. I almost think it would be better if it were Sissy to have died because Buddy is so much more independent and open to human touch. Please add my little Buddy Bear to the CLS. He was neutered, vaccinated and negative for felv/FIV. And about 2 years old. This morning I left my little miracle man, Leader, all wrapped up in my sweatshirt on the bed - and, I think, dying. He was born with feleuk - his whole litter tested and retested positive. All his littermates died at or before about age two -- including Gloria's Mittens -- but Leader has lived to be just 2 months short of SIX years. He has been doing fine -- skinny, looking like death warmed over -- but fine until he recently got an awful URI.I've treated him with immunoregulin, Baytril, Tylosin, Naxcel, fluids. Up until last night he was eating well altho weak. This morning he wouldn't eat. Please put him on the Special Needs List and please, all, pray that he beat this URI.Thanks. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Junior
*Good luck Sally we're all thinking of you and Junior (and Daisy too... poor baby)!* **hugs** *Leslie =^..^=* On 1/26/07, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, Just a brief update on Junior. His Right eye still looks like it is budging with a definite cataract. He does not appear to have discomfort from it though. He is still getting the Trusopt for Glaucoma and the chloramphenicol antibiotic ointment in both eyes. I also have been giving him lysine 500mg and have added Transfer Factor Plus to his supplements. He gets Pet Tabs plus iron as well . He is eating better and has put on a little bit of weight. He is exploring the house. I am guessing because his vision is not as good as it used to be. The left eye remains dilated and the pupil is misshaped. It does look better to me although. I may be getting used to it that way. He ears are thick and red again. It doesn'r seem to bother him I will keep and eye on them. This has been a very reactive disease. It does not allow you to be proactive. I am hoping while he is better the Transfer Factor will help his immune system. I am still considering removing the right eye, but I want him at his best before surgery. Any idea how long after I use the Transfer Factor I should wait. Daisy is in heat and driving me crazy. I could not get her an appointment until 2/27/07. I just want to thank everyone for their help. I still have not gotten anywhere with my vet for interferon. He decided to do the steriods. I think the shot gave Junior a boost but I still want to give the interferon a shot. I am hoping the Transfer Factor will keep him stable. Thanks, Sally Davis -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Asia
*CONGRATULATIONS!! What wonderful news for you and for Asia!!! * *We can always use a shot of good news! Thanks for sharing!!* *Leslie =^..^=* On 1/23/07, Dianne K Perry, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asia is still in remission! (from lymphoma) Dianne -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
*Personally, I think I would take her to the ER. My Sarah ended up with vision problems from a fever that high. 99.5 - 102.5 are considered normal range.* *Leslie =^..^=* On 1/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and it was 105.7. I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids (150 ml) and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp again and it was 105.6. I am trying to figure out whether to take her to the ER or not. At what point do fevers get dangerous? Should I take her? Thanks, Michelle -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: urgent-- fever advice needed
*Michelle, I looked up a few things and found this on * http://cats.about.com/library/howto/httaketemp.htm: *Tips:* 1. This project will be much easier if you have someone to hold the cat and pet it while you lift her tail and insert the thermometer. 2. A temperature of 105°F is a dangerous level and your cat should be seen by a veterinarian immediately. If it's between 103°F and 104.5°F, you should call your veterinarian for advice. 3. A digital thermometer will be easier to read, and will beep when ready to be read. On 1/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and it was 105.7. I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids (150 ml) and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp again and it was 105.6. I am trying to figure out whether to take her to the ER or not. At what point do fevers get dangerous? Should I take her? Thanks, Michelle -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: bald spots
*It's always something! Let us know when you have them...* *Leslie =^..^=* On 1/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the photos are on my computer but my Juno program is down. I will have to call Juno to fix it, then hopefully can send pics soon. aggghhh Chelsea -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: ot: Antonio
*Your Antonio will be in our thoughts and prayers... * *Leslie =^..^=* On 1/8/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Poor Antonio - I was up much of the night with himhe slept by my pillow with my arm around him. He has some blood in his urine and possibly a kidney stoneplus, his glands need to be expressed so the poor boy just feels rotten. I made them promise me at the vet's they would give him some demerol. He's lost a pound too since he's been on the light formula...that's very good news. I really hated leaving him at the vet's this morning but they told me I really needed to...they will do x-rays and they may have to extract some urine. I'm just worried sick about him. Please, if you would...send prayers...good thoughts...or whatever is your style for the dear boy. We very much appreciate it. Thank you, elizabeth -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
*I think using enough... or more than enough in the plug-ins is the answer. We had 10 -12 running at any one time in our 3,000 square foot house. So I would say 4 is good for your space... but certainly too little defeats the purpose (so I'd run heavy rather than light). We noticed a HUGE difference in aggression with Feli-way... but had never used it to stop or curb improper elimination problems... I'd be interested to hear if it helps you eventually. We've got a new kitty that has issues too... Once Rudy stopped being a pest, we stopped using the Feliway plug ins... but still have them if they work for couch peeing episodes!! Keep us posted!!* *BTW - We started using it because there was someone on the FIP list a while back who used it in her clinic and noticed an amazing difference. She swore by the stuff... which is why we tried it.* *Leslie =^..^=* On 1/8/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've stepped up the Feliway plug-ins and wondered what others think of the number--too few? Not enough? I'm using 4 total at present. I have a 2-bedroom place, about 1000 feet total, but mostly open-plan. The 2 bedrooms (each abt 10x10) and the bathroom have doors, obviously, but living/dining area (20 x10) and kitchen (10x10) are open-plan and connected via a narrow 12 feet hallway. I've put two plug-ins total in the living/dining area; plus one in the kitchen; and one in bedroom 1 (which is the ferals' room; door is kept closed). I don't have one in the hallway or bedroom 2 that bedroom door is usually kept half-open on to the living-room/dining area. Maybe I should add one to bedroom 2 and/or hallway? (I'm desperate to integrate Mickey and Momcat now they're negative but Mickey has a habit of peeing when he runs free in the aptment-floor and sofa and my bed are his locations of choice, so far.) My tame cats are not welcoming even though they've all been living in same house albeit not in the same living space for 3 years. My 2 male tame cats growl non-stop when Mickey comes trotting down the hallway, and they don't stop growling until the poor little fellow eventually runs back into his own room. (Momcat hasn't ventured forth at all yet.) I've begun swopping tame/feral catbeds around. Hasn't helped yet. Maybe I need to do more swopping. All opinions/comments/suggs for harmonious living welcome! Kerry M. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: O/T
*Here's the site that tells about them: http://www.bachcentre.com/centre/remedies.htm* *Leslie =^..^=* On 1/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've used the remedy stuff before for Mr. Kitten and myself. The place I got it was just a regular nutrition store so I figured it was safe for me too. However, it doesn't taste that great and I didn't really feel much different, but who knows, maybe I didn't take enough, or maybe I was too relaxed in the first place, haha. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 2:13 PM Subject: Re: O/T Can humans take that bach remedy for grief? Does it just sedate you, or actually help you to work through the process somehow? Phaewryn http://ucat.us The easy way out has a bad reputation. Why would anyone take the hard way out? The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out the window. Quote by: Les U. Knight -- *Check out the new AOL*http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom%2Fnewaol. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Ki's big day
*SO glad to hear your new perspective on FIV and FeLV!! If every person could just tell one person... then maybe all the senseless deaths could be avoided! How wonderful that your vet is supportive too... we need more vets like that.* ** *Wishing you and Ki well...* *Leslie =^..^=* On 1/4/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We just dropped Ki off to be neutered. He is getting to be a big boy...8 mo now, I think. He will be tested today too, so keep your fingers crossed. I have such a supportive vet. Told her we were keeping him no matter what the outcome. Will have everyone vaccinated. This group has given me the knowledge to do this. A yr. ago, i would have had him PTS. I got over the stigma of FIV years ago, and now i understand FeLV so much better. What will be will be. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
*YEEES! Plug-Ins are great... that is what has worked for us. Especially if she's in a room by herself. That gives her a constant flow of pheromones. I'm sure you can use the spray as an additional boost. You just have to be sure that you don't let the plug-in run dry and stay plugged in. I'm a fanatic about fire hazards... and they do get hot if they have no fluid in them.* *Leslie =^..^=* On 1/3/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marylyn, I just think that a lot of cats would want their own people, rather than being in my noisy, chaotic house where it is hard for a kitty to get some room to herself, and none of them really get enough attention (in my opinion). But that may not be what she wants. It is difficult for me to tell yet. I will get some Feliway spray next payday. What do you think of the plugins? Are they also usefull, or not? On 1/3/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't even think about adopting her out, at least for a long time. Can you imagine all the things that are going thru her mind Try putting feliway spray on your hand when you want to pet her. Honestly, it helped so much with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and with several ferals. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:29 AM *Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat She's MUCH better as of last night. Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws this time, though.). I'm not sure of the next step. I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working. I don't think I can take a chance on adopting her out at this point. On 1/2/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is very true. Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM *Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Kelley, Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker? It may take her a while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked. *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: No, I don't think she is feral at all. Her ex-guardian had her since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me. (she's had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff joint). She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when she hears it. Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them). On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified. Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food. Next I am going to try tuna. There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food. So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess. Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
*She's gorgeous!!! Thanks for sharing pictures...* -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
*She sounds like one we got many years ago... we affectionately called her Shasta McNasty - Now she's just Shasta. She was THE nastiest cat I'd ever encountered! She finally came around and now is a love... but it took a while. I think those difficult ones tend to be extra special when you do finally win their trust... it was with Shasta.* *Leslie =^.^=* On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I don't think she is feral at all. Her ex-guardian had her since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me. (she's had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff joint). She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when she hears it. Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them). On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified. Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food. Next I am going to try tuna. There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food. So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess. Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: OT: food allergic cat
*One of our cats Madison had horrible food allergies. She would projectile vomit... it was terrible. One time she twisted her intestine she was so sick (the twist actually required surgery to correct)! We took her and had allergy testing done... it was not much money considering what we've accomplished since then. When we found out she was allergic to nearly EVERYTHING... they gave us a list by manufacturer of what she could eat. I would suggest doing the allergy test, it's best for your kitty... and in the long run cheaper for you than trying a ton of medication and office visits. Madison needed no medication at all... we couldn't be more pleased with the outcome.* *Leslie =^..^=* On 12/31/06, Gary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was also glad to see the Benadryl transdermal cream mentioned by Michelle, I am anxious to hear how it works for Elizabeth's Phelix. Our Scooter is having problems with an itchy head, our vet diagnosed food allergy and gave us an antibiotic powder to dry out the sores in front of his ears. We are faithfully putting the powder on twice a day and have now changed his diet to Natural Balance - Venison Green Pea, without success. He continued to scratch and one sore started creeping uncomfortably close to his eye, so we have resorted to an Elizabethan collar for now. I asked my vet about giving Benadryl orally, and he said it wouldn't do any good until we find the allergen and eliminate it. I will ask him for the transdermal cream on Tuesday. I have to do something for the poor guy, he can't just stay collared while I try one diet after another... Does anyone else out there have suggestions for an allergic cat? Anything homeopathic? Some type of soothing herbal mixture to cleanse the sores with? I am going to try a prescription allergy diet next, if that doesn't work I know of a local vet who offers some alternative therapies... Thanks, Beth, Blue, Moxie, Dash, Scooter, Will Feral, and Max the Parrot. Original Message: Michelle, I'm so glad you mentioned this. My Phelix has the same problem with pulling his hair out from his tummy and back legs...and he does tend to be involved in some sibling rivalry on a regualr basis. I'm going to go see the compounding pharmacist here. elizabeth On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: OT: food allergic cat
*Our regular vet did the test... I will look to see where they sent it to be tested. And yes, it was a simple blood test. It has been a few years ago... but my recollection is that it was under $100 to have done. Madison has been a different cat since then! She is allergic to nearly everything... beef, turkey, flaxseed, you name it... We are convinced that she was abandoned because of her vomiting problem. She is a gorgeous weegie that had been declawed and ultimately found herself at animal control. She was our third cat and we were pretty naive to what was normal and what wasn't... but she is a completely different girl now (much happier, that's for sure!). I would highly recommend getting Phelix tested! I'll look up Madison's test and repost later...* *Leslie =^..^=* On 12/31/06, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where did you go to get the allergy testing? A blood test, I presume? Was this a vet specialist who did this? Did they only test for food allergies? Sorry so many questions -- I'm just wondering if Phelix should be tested...if maybe we could send off to a lab to have it done since we don't have a vet that does anything like that here. elizabeth On 12/31/06, Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *One of our cats Madison had horrible food allergies. She would projectile vomit... it was terrible. One time she twisted her intestine she was so sick (the twist actually required surgery to correct)! We took her and had allergy testing done... it was not much money considering what we've accomplished since then. When we found out she was allergic to nearly EVERYTHING... they gave us a list by manufacturer of what she could eat. I would suggest doing the allergy test, it's best for your kitty... and in the long run cheaper for you than trying a ton of medication and office visits. Madison needed no medication at all... we couldn't be more pleased with the outcome. * *Leslie =^..^=* On 12/31/06, Gary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was also glad to see the Benadryl transdermal cream mentioned by Michelle, I am anxious to hear how it works for Elizabeth's Phelix. Our Scooter is having problems with an itchy head, our vet diagnosed food allergy and gave us an antibiotic powder to dry out the sores in front of his ears. We are faithfully putting the powder on twice a day and have now changed his diet to Natural Balance - Venison Green Pea, without success. He continued to scratch and one sore started creeping uncomfortably close to his eye, so we have resorted to an Elizabethan collar for now. I asked my vet about giving Benadryl orally, and he said it wouldn't do any good until we find the allergen and eliminate it. I will ask him for the transdermal cream on Tuesday. I have to do something for the poor guy, he can't just stay collared while I try one diet after another... Does anyone else out there have suggestions for an allergic cat? Anything homeopathic? Some type of soothing herbal mixture to cleanse the sores with? I am going to try a prescription allergy diet next, if that doesn't work I know of a local vet who offers some alternative therapies... Thanks, Beth, Blue, Moxie, Dash, Scooter, Will Feral, and Max the Parrot. Original Message: Michelle, I'm so glad you mentioned this. My Phelix has the same problem with pulling his hair out from his tummy and back legs...and he does tend to be involved in some sibling rivalry on a regualr basis. I'm going to go see the compounding pharmacist here. elizabeth On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
*Does the Benadryl have to be compounded? What is the dosage... do you know? We've got one that pulls his hair out and I'd like to try it!* *Thanks!* *Leslie =^..^=* On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
*I agree with Diane... but you might also try Feliway or Comfortzone in the bathroom with her. I have had success with both of those products. You can also try Rescue Remedy in her water. We take in feral cats, and my advice would be to go in the bathroom with her... sit on the floor (get down to her level) and take baby food or treats to offer. Talk softly and just spend time letting her get used to you. Don't make any quick moves, and don't force her to come to you... just keep a very calm state of mind when you're in there and try not to make a lot of eye contact with her. It will take time, so don't expect her to come to you on the first trip in... She's scared right now, and that could take a while to overcome. * *Leslie =^..^=* On 12/29/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: How do yall do it?
*What a diabolical liberty!! My... that just gets my blood boiling... We have quite a few cats ourselves, luckily in our county there are no limits imposed (yet). HOWEVER, I take issue with this... because there is NO law about how many children people can have!! We have a ton of room... we wear our hands raw keeping the house clean... spend every penny keeping everyone healthy... and how dare anyone decide we have 'too many'!! Sorry... I'll get off my soap box. I just think if the quality of life for the animals is good... if the animals are happy and healthy... then there is no problem!! It is the hoarders who cannot care properly for the animals that have the problem unfortunately we all get lumped into the 'hoarder' category.* *Leslie =^..^= * On 12/27/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have 6 personal cats and 19 or so foster cats at any one time. Fortunately we don't have any pet limit laws here, although if someone decided you have too many they will seize them. On 12/27/06, Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My house is set up as a duplex, though my housemate Gail and I don't use it as such. If we want to pretend it IS a duplex, we could have 2 cats apiece according to local law, but only 3, I think, if we call it a single household. Makes no sense. We've had up to 6 cats at a time, and Gail's mom used to keep telling her we're breaking the law. And we're like, yeah, and if someone comes to arrest us, we'll know who narked... we don't even discuss our cats around her any more. She's not meanspirited, just a bit clueless. When Gail moved out of the parental home, she took the family cat, Kitty, with her. Kitty wasn't a snuggler, and Gail's mom had tried to make her one, and no fun was had by all. I'm sure Kitty was relieved to be among people who understood that cats aren't dogs. Now that the mom has moved into assisted living, she's determined to get another cat. She's unsteady on her feet, has a bad back and has ZERO energy, so it has to be one that doesn't move very fast, and it'll need to be a complete and total lap fungusexcept when the mom doesn't want it to be. Oh boy. Diane R. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika *Sent:* Wednesday, December 27, 2006 9:35 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject: *Re: How do yall do it? When I told my mother how many cats I have, she FREAKED OUT and started worrying about me going to jail for having too many cats. Apparently there was a raid near her and the woman went to jail. I've never heard of anyone going to jail around here for hoarding. They usually just take the cats and kill them. I guess moms need something to worry about. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Bandy is an angel now
*Kerry, I'm so, so sorry... my heart is crying with you.* **hugs** *Leslie =^..^=* On 12/25/06, Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bandy passed away around 4pm TX. time at home with me..This as you all know is so hard to write, but I wanted you to know..You all have been so good to us the past year and a half. I will write more when I can.. Kerry, Angel Bandy and Inky __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Tiny passed
*Sally,* *So much sadness today... I'm so sorry to hear about Tiny ... * **hugs** *Leslie =^..^=* On 12/25/06, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally I am so sorry about your sweet Tiny,bless you and your.Hugs to you. Sherry *Sally [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I am so sorry to tell everyone that Tiny just passed over. He had a seemingly benign URI. Not really showing symptoms of being in distress. He seemed worse today, but not life threatening. Five minutes ago he started choking I tried to hold him nothing would help. He was turning blue. Before I could get oxygen to him he was gone. I so did not expect this like this. He was the healthier one of my two FelV babies. This has been one horrible year. Sally __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Seeking a pal for L'il Abner
*Karen, bless you and your husband for opening your hearts to another FeLV kitty! * *Leslie =^..^=* On 12/25/06, Karen Phil Masaoka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Near Denver CO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephanie E Caldwell Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 9:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Seeking a pal for L'il Abner Where are you at Karen? Steph Karen Phil Masaoka wrote: Hi All, I'm Karen - I'm new here. I've been reading about poor Bandy Tiny have tears in my eyes. I feel so sad for you guys. We lost our baby, Mr. Spock, a week ago. He was just 6 months when we got him was FELV+ and had a great year with us and his best pal L'il Abner (also FELV+). Then he was diagnosed with lymphoma, and he did very well with chemotherapy for almost two months; then a sudden decline. We were very saddened to lose him; he was my little baby such a trooper to put up with everything he went through recently. And he went through so much. (Can I attach a picture to this forum?) Now Abner is super-depressed. We have to get him another pal ASAP. But it's so costly (emotionally financially) to lose a cat every year (we also lost Max a year ago). My vet says we could get a healthy cat she can inject him with a great FELV vaccine he has 85% chance of not getting the virus. But we could never forgive ourselves if he got sick. So Phil, my husband, says let's get a healthy cat that's about to be euthanized and then we would at least be saving him for awhile even if he DOES get the virus. Problem is, vet says to keep new cat separate from Abner for 25 days then she'll inject him again, and THEN they can be together. But Abner's so depressed, I don't think he can last that long. So we'll have to get another FELV cat for him -- any thoughts as to whether a 4-yr-old may live longer than a 1-yr-old diagnosed with the FELV virus? What's the longest life you know of in a FELV+ indoor cat? I think this is a great support group. Karen -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
great adopter seeking Leuk+ orange young cat
*Does anyone know of a FeLV+ orange kitty? Sounds like this would be a great home!! We're in Tampa, Florida...* *Thanks!* *Leslie =^..^=* ** *Leslie I know a great adopter who is looking for an orange cat as companion to their other cat. It needs to be young, orange and FeLuk+. It's a vet tech so it's a great place where kitty will receive all the medical care it needs. Vet where she works also owns Felv+ cats and adopted one from a friend of mine. Let me know if you have any candidates and I'll give you the number. Good luck and bless you for helping those kitties that have no chance. *-- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: great adopter seeking Leuk+ orange young cat
*I put in my email Tampa, Florida I don't know about travel.* On 12/13/06, Phaewryn - Controversy Queen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any particular continent, country, state, or city? Or will they travel any distance? Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: great adopter seeking Leuk+ orange young cat
*GOODNESS GRACIOUS!!! Thank you so much to taking your time to do this!! I have forwarded your links and told them how wonderful you are for going the extra mile to find perfect matches! I'll keep you posted!! AND THANK YOU!!!* *Leslie =^..^=* On 12/13/06, Phaewryn - Controversy Queen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=6484527 http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=5445541 http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=6725539 Sorry that took so long, I kept getting side-tracked as I was searching the listings... I know there are more, but it gets tedious after a while since petfinder hasn't managed to put a way to mark the cat as FIV or FELV positive in the search results yet. Anyways, there are a few to choose from, I'm sure any one of them would be an awesome companion. Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: urgent help-fip cat going to be pts tommorow...help!!!
*Jeni, are you sure you mean FIP??? FIP cannot be diagnosed except through necropsy. Just because a kitten was exposed to the Corona Virus does not mean the kitten has FIP... * *Leslie =^..^=* On 12/12/06, JENI RECA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, Urgent help, looking for home for FIP cat. Hami is a 5 month old female spayed kitten, black and white. Her sister was put to sleep due to FIP, and now since Hami was exposed and possibly showing signs of FIP they are going to put her to sleep tommorow. They are just pending biopsy, and trying to give her a little time to find a home. Need help, she is a sweet girl that deserves a home. In the new york area, Long island, willing to travel. Any help or suggestions appreciated! Thank you Jeni _ Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered by Pandora http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Uveitis
*We're all thinking about you and Junior... and you will be in our prayers.* *Leslie =^..^=* On 12/1/06, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 06:55 PM 12/7/2006, you wrote: What are you using in his eyes Kelly L Poor Junior's eye is so sore. He has been through so much this year. He is already blind in this eye due to his encounter with a car. I suppose this weakness predisposed him to getting this kind of infection. I am concerned it is signaling he is not getting better. I don't know how you folks do it. Emotionally it is tough enough. Financially I am not sure I can keep this up, especially if he keeps getting sick. I pray I wake up tomorrow and he feels somewhat better. Thanks for your support, please pray for Junior\ Sally No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.3/562 - Release Date: 12/1/2006 -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
South Korea
*Have any of you seen this or heard about this? Isn't this complete hysteria? Is there anything we can do? Email campaigns? Anything?* http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.asp?j=202453266p=zxz45397z -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Stamp/Anemia/Litter suggestions
*I had someone once tell me she swears by chicken crumble that you get at the feed store! We couldn't use it... but we tried it! I think it would work for someone who only has a few cats. The Worlds Best litter is good though ... I always use that for kittens.* *Leslie =^..^=* On 11/27/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe try World's Best or sWheat Scoop? Those are both wheat or corn based I think... should be digestible, at least. I'd definitely try to use something digestible corn, wheat... something like that. I'm currently using HORSE stall pine shavings, and it's saved me TONS of money already. A huge bale costs $3.99 and I swear, it's like a 6 month supply. Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Crosspost - Lost cat from auto accident
Please cross post to everyone you know. She has been missing since Sept. 22nd, maybe someone took into to rescue. Ohio winters are real cold. Anyone who knows anyone in that area to please keep your eyes open. I can't imagne not knowing my fur baby was safe or had crossed that bridge. Please help! PLEASE READ - ALSO NOTIFY ANY SHELTERS IN OHIO (ESP. COLUMBUS AND SURROUNDING AREAS!! THANKS! From: alliance4animals@ aol.com Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:05:45 EST Subject: [Petadoption] Columbus, OH ~ Calico Cat Lost During Accident on I-71 A pick-up truck and trailer was involved in an accident at 1:00 AM on Friday, September 22nd on I-71 about 2 miles from the outskirts of Columbus near Wilson Road. The cat was riding in the truck cab with the driver and has not been seen since the accident. She is a calico, spayed and declawed. The driver, from Arizona, was trapped in the vehicle for 45 minutes and life-flighted to the hospital and survived with minor injuries. She has returned to Arizona but is still trying to locate her cat. Thank you for any information you may be able to provide. Please respond to Alliance4Animals@ aol.com I do not have a photo, yet. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Moses tested FeLv+ and FeLv- I'm confused!
Every time I click on this link it won't connect. Is the link okay? Leslie =^..^= On 11/14/06, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UC Davis does this test and it is very inexpensive (relatively). I think this is the link. http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/ccah/Homesite%20Images/Diagnostic%20PCR%20Price%20Schedule.doc If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Lee Evans To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 4:40 PM Subject: Moses tested FeLv+ and FeLv- I'm confused! We recently rescued a tame feral cat from an apartment complex where peoplemove out and leave their cats to fend for themselves. I named him Moses. Since he comes from an area where all the feral cats tested negative on their combo test, I wasn't very worried. I took him in for his free spay and vaccine and because he was tame, I had him combo tested because I was going to foster him at my house until I could get him adopted or intoanother foster situation. Unfortunately he tested positive for FeLv. I really couldn't believe it and the clinic where he was neutered has been known to make awful mistakes so I took him to the vet I use for my own housecats and he again tested positive on the ELISA test. I boarded him at the clinic while I discussed the situation with my rescue partner who had been the one to catch him in a cat carrier. We decided to do the IFA test immediately rather than wait 3 months and test again with the ELISA. Three months in a cage in a clinic is not the way to make a cat happy and it's expensive. We do NOT kill cats who test positive for FIV or FeLv. So the IFA test was done and it came back NEGATIVE. We were happy. My vet called Texas AM. They told him that if the IFA was negative, we should consider the cat negative. Just to be sure though, they said, keep him isolated for another month or two and then test again with the ELISA. At this point I wanted to scream. After that, my vet mentioned a test called the PCR. A friend googled it and found that it tests for FeLv that might not show up on either the ELISA or the IFA. Unfortunately, Cornell University Laboratory doesn't do the PCR. It's popular in the UK but apparently hasn't taken hold here in the USA. Does anyone have any experience with this test and also, what am I supposed to do with Moses? Should I consider him FeLv+ or negative? I took him home and isolated him in a spare bathroom. I only have one bathroom left now. If I get another cat in to recover for TNR, I'll have to build an outhouse for myself. Sigh. Any answers will be greatly appreciated.Incidentally, Moses is a healthy, shiny-furred black cat with an excellent appetite. He's about 2 years old. I have his wife and son who both tested negative in the ELISA. Lee-- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Lucy very sick again
Some vets don't like to use Zithromax... we have to get it at our pharmacy, but it works great! Well worth a try if nothing else has worked. Clavamox is notorious for upset tummies... Leslie =^..^= On 11/9/06, Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michelle, I'm so sorry to hear this. Deep breath. Okay. We know that she had a URI that wasn't treated to completion. And that she has IBD. The appetite, stool, and eye *could* be something else, but there is enough going on here to suspect that it's still the IBD and URI. The danger with not treating to completion with antibiotics is that you've naturally selected out the weaker bacteria (those that were killed in the four days of Clavamox) and left those that were hardy enough to make it through the four days, but likely wouldn't have made it through the entire course.Your decision to take her off was a good one (in my opinion), because of how runny her stool got, and there is always the hope that the immune system will finish off the work that the antibiotic didn't as it was given a head start with the antibiotic. Clavamox doesn't seem like the right thing to go back to. Someone mentioned Zithromax. Is there a atomic bomb type antibiotic? Something that just knocks the crap out of the URI, but quickly? My thought is that any new thing to her system will aggravate the IBD, so if you have to introduce something, try to lessen it's course - I don't know if there is an antibiotic that has a shorter course by design. Is bloody stool normal for IBD? It's wonderful that she doesn't have a temp and that she got some food into her, the wan appetite could be attributed to inhibited smell, as someone mentioned. I don't know if this helped or just let you know that you're not alone in not knowing. I'll be thinking of you both, good luck. I hope that the vet visit goes well. Leslie From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Lucy very sick againI know she must seem like a yoyo or rollercoaster at this point, but pleasesay prayers for Lucy.She has been extremely lethargic since yesterday and today only ate 1/2 a jar of baby food.She is a bit stuffed up and her nose is a little bubbly, so I am hoping it is just the cold she has not shaken. I havea vet aptmt tomorrow at 1 to get her an I-R shot.She had some blood on her bowels today too.I am hoping that she just has not shaken the cold and it is bothering her, and that the change to baby food and getting cold meds is justirritating her IBD.But she has some weird things, too. Like if I pet her head or kiss it in certain spots where I usually do, she closes one eye and keeps it closed for a while like something is wrong with it. About 1/2 hour ago shealso pawed at her eye like it was hurting right after I pet her.It makes me worry there is something like a tumor in her head or something. Has anyone seen this symptom related to a cold, or to anything else?She came off clavamox after only 4 days due to it giving her bad diarrhea, but she seemed to recover except for a slight sniffle and occasional sneezes. Then she really backslid starting yesterday. No fever, and in fact her temptoday was low for her-- 100.8-- though still in low normal range. Please send her prayers and energy, and let me know if any thoughts come to mind about what could be going on or what I should do.Thanks,Michelle -- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: What is FIP?
Dr. Addie used to recommend 6 months before bringing in another cat or kitten.But, I believethere are many different strains of FCoV... so one strain is not necessarilylike another. Leslie =^..^= On 11/8/06, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've also seen that 3 weeks is a long enough time for not bringing in a cat, and that if the cat came from a shelter or any other multi-cat environment, there's no point in isolating since it's probably only been exposed before it came to you. i haven't actually seen info re: whether the FCoV is actually even still present in an FIP cat--since there are lots of cases where cats presumed to have FIP show no abnormal titre levels. so even tho FCoV may be a longer-lived virus, i'm not sure that's the issue On 11/8/06, Gary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Elizabeth, glad it was helpful. One thing I forgot to mention is that FCoV is a longer-lived virus. Unlike FeLV, it can remain alive outside of a cat's body for at least many weeks. I've read that a new kitten/cat should not be aquired for about 7 weeks after an FIP death, just in case it is was particularly virulent strain of FCoV. Wiping down hard surfaces with a bleach solutionis supposedtokill it. I tossed thesoft toys andlitterpan. My Ally's room was in desperate need of work, when she passed I washed everything down, painted walls,ceiling, trim, and put in a new laminate floor, and still waited 2 months to let the others in. Probably silly, as I likely tracked the virus around the rest of the house while I was caring for her anyway... Head-butts to Antonio, Beth PS: I would love to see that picture of the opossums if you get a chance. Email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! Beth, Thank you for this explanation. I didn't have a good understandingof FIP and this has been very helpful. elizabeth -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892 -- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: To Leslie Re: anal sacks
I've got several overweight... everyone jokes at how big all of our cats are. We have one boy - Rudy - who is 24lbs! He's a big boy... his brother is close at about 18lbs... so I worry about them the most. I also use kitty wipes... we have a spinabifida baby kitty who wears diapers so we have lots of wipes! Thanks for your input! Leslie =^..^= On 11/7/06, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Leslie,I have a kitty who is overweight and she has thisproblem from time to time.One good sign is when her little butt is red.I usually use kitty wipes to helpclean her about once a week, and so far she hasn't hada problem in months.I just try to keep ahead of it.:)Wendy--- Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Apart from how she found out Antonio needed anal sacks expressed, how do you know if your cat needs this done?Just curious.* *Leslie =^..^=* On 11/6/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I went home to take Antonio to the vet's...he went in the laundry room - turned his back end toward me, squatted over the dust pan (something he would NEVER do)...and assumed 'the position' for a few minuteshe was telling mama something is wrong.He looked like he was trying to go potty but nothing was going on. We just got back from the vet's.That poor sweet boy had some very infected anal sacs.I feel bad because I didn't know sooner.They expressed them and gave him a steroid shot and an antibiotic shot.Antonio was such a trooper.He loves everybody.He's not at all afraid to ride in the car.After the vet did what must have been a very painful procedure - Antonio gave the vet head butts.He loved on the vet tech too.He's just the sweetest big ol' boy. He's taking Clavamox.We go back Monday for a check-up. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson Do you Yahoo!?Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. http://new.mail.yahoo.com-- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: ot: Antonio
Apart from how she found out Antonio needed anal sacks expressed, how do you know if your cat needs this done? Just curious. Leslie =^..^= On 11/6/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I went home totake Antonio to the vet's...he went in the laundry room - turned his back end toward me, squatted over the dust pan (something he would NEVER do)...and assumed 'the position' for a few minuteshe was telling mama something is wrong. He looked like he was trying to go potty but nothing was going on. We just got back from the vet's. That poor sweet boy had some very infected anal sacs. I feel bad because Ididn't know sooner. They expressed them and gave him a steroid shot and an antibiotic shot. Antonio was such a trooper. He loves everybody. He's not at all afraid to ride in the car. After the vet did what must have been a verypainful procedure - Antonio gave the vet head butts. He loved on the vet tech too. He's just the sweetest big ol' boy. He's taking Clavamox. We go back Monday for a check-up.-- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Giardia
Oh my... that sounds like a load of fun! On 10/30/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of mine are not going in the litterbox:( They are going in the bathtub, in the laundry room, and in the hallway. On 10/30/06, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I follow cats to litterboxesthey look at me like I'm crazy. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, the little girl I brought in has liquid diarrhea..that is why I took her. The problem is that with so many it is hard to tell who has it and who doesn't. The only reason I knew she had it was because I found her having it in the bathtub. I can tell there are more from the number of piles, but I can't tell which necessarily. On 10/30/06, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's very common -- my vet usually does not recommend treating myanimals unless they are showing symptoms ( i.e. diareah)-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of G. LaneSent: Monday, October 30, 2006 2:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: GiardiaMy dogs have gotten it also, from drinking water that the birds poop in...it's not a big deal to treat.GloriaAt 03:19 PM 10/30/2006, you wrote:Hi Kelley,Altho I have not had to deal with it (knock wood),one of my co-workers and his girlfriend got it while camping - from infected water. Apparently somethinghad it and pooped in or near the water upstream, andthey had no idea this pure mountain stream was bad.Kat (Mew Jersey) On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Precious Pets, Almost Home wrote: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:14:30 -0800 (PST) From: Precious Pets, Almost Home [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Giardia Dear Kelley: I am sorry to hear that you have such a major chore on your hands!I know how you feel because I have been in your shoes!Your vet is right in regards that you can catch it!That is if you are really careless about handling dirty litter boxes and scoopers. My vets are like yours when it comes to treatment for Giardia.If one cat has it, the whole group of cats have it!All three of my vets believe that you have to treat the whole group of cats. I find that a daily check list of names helps to keep track of who I medicated while doing a group for that day. Good luck and happy pilling! Precious Pets --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Well, we've got giardia.My vet is giving me enough meds to treat all 30 cats.I haven't brought a new cat in since...May, Ithink. How could they get this without exposure to new cats? He says I can get it too, yay. -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business ( http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com) -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: SAMe (Denosyl) for Dukee
SamE is time-released andcannot becrushed.The dosage for Dukee would be 100mg (whichcan be difficult to find). I bought mine for Goliath at: http://www.virtuvites.com/Now_Foods/SAM-e_100mg.htm - I saw a link for it on Petmeds.com but I have never ordered it from them. NatureMade is a good brand... You can also ask your vet for the veterinary equivalent (Zentonil) - your vet may have that in stock. I think I remember you saying you got a pill popper for Dukee... that is what I used with Goliath (who was feral). Good luck! Leslie =^..^= P.S. With tube feeding... my 'soul kitty' Wheezie had cleft palate surgery about six months ago and had a tube inserted in his neck for feeding. I was terrified at first, but it turned out to be pretty easy. Just be sure to feed slowly... and always syringe water after feeding to clean out the tube. It's not hard... you'll be fine. :o) On 10/29/06, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terrie, The feeding tube is really easy, the main thing is go slow, start out slowly, so for instance on day one, start with 20cc to 30ccs every 2 or 3 hours, try to get at least 120ccs to 160ccs the first day, it would take me about 10 to 15 minutes to do 20 or 30ccs at a time. Try and work up to 60ccs a sitting by the third day. Make sure the vet gives you metachloprimide to give 3 times a day 30 to 40 minutes before the meal. I would give it to Buddie before her first meal around 6AM, then again around noon or 12PM, and again around 6:30 or 7PM. It helps get the digestive juices going, Buddie would get nauseated if she didn't get it. Some cats are fine without it but Buddie and Bailey both would get nauseated. The main things are go slow, be relaxed, it isn't too bad and like I said Buddie got to where she loved her tube feedings, she really loved them and would lay on all 4 purring and then flop over on her side when I was done and nap!! She never tried to get away and was as calm as can be. She would wait on the couch for me to get her syringes ready. Bailey didn't love them like Buddie but he usually sat still for them. I would feed him whereever he was at the time or put him in his catbed on the couch and fed him. Each meal would take 20 to 30 minutes to get through once I had worked up to 60ccs a sitting, it took about 3 days I think to get up to 60ccs every 4 or 5 hours, she was getting 220 to 230ccs a day once we were up to maximum. I kept a record of her feedings and once we were up to her maximum she got her metachloprimide at 6AM, then 60ccs of AD at 6:30AM,metachloprimide at 12PM and 60ccs of AD at 12:30PM, metachloprimide at 6:30 or 7PM and 60ccs of AD at 7 or 7:30PMthen I fed her her last meal of 40ccs or 50ccs AD at 10 or 11PM usually closer to 11, then it was bedtime. You can vary this to whatever works for you and Dukee, some cats do better with smaller meals more times throughout the day some can handle more food less times a day. You'll know if it isn't working because he will probably act nauseated or throw up. If he ever does throw up try going smaller meals more often. If he continues to throw up, have the vet xray and make sure the tube hasn't moved. Buddie only threw up one time when I gave her her meds on an empty tummy. Never did that again :) When feeding I would syringe about 5ccs at a time and wait 20 or 30 seconds in between. If your tube ever gets plugged try coke or papaya juice to unplug it. Also ALWAYS flush with about 5ccs of water after each meal to make sure there is no food sitting in it to plug it up. I would open a can of AD put it in a bowl add as little water as I needed to get it juicy enough to suck up into the syringe. Keep the left over syringes in a plastic bag in the fridge and take them out and put them in a bowl of hot water to heat them before a meal. Buddie Bailey both liked theirs about room temperature. With Bailey he had to get his metachloprimide about 1 hour before he ate or he was still a little nauseated so each cat can be a little different. You'll figure out what works best for Dukee.I have a bunch of tubes left over from Buddie and I would be happy to mail them to you, there is at least 20 or 30 I'm sure. I had to use new ones after about 5 or 6 uses, they would start sticking and not slide smoothly anymore. Ask your vet if the tube is between the 7th and 8th rib, it has to stop before it goes into the stomach or the cat will gag and get sick, he should have taken an xray to verify it's position, for what they charged I would want to see that xray. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com-- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an
Re: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt
SamE (100mg daily). SamE is a time-release supplement... so it CANNOT be cut in half. I have a FIV+ cat that was sent home to die by our vet with liver failure... I fed him every two hours and dosed SamE and Milk Thistle and he's alive and well today. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GET SAM-E OR THE VETERINARY EQUIVALENT IS ZENTONIL. I swear by this stuff and it has CURED my cat who the vet said was the WORST liver failure he had ever seen. Goliath was down to 7lbs from his usual 13lbshe couldn't keep down anything... he was in VERY bad shape. You CAN pull through liver failure... I syringe fed baby food with nutrical...every two hours all day and all night small amounts often... that's what's best for the liver. Our vet still can't believe Goliath is alive and THRIVING today. I attribute it to the SamE and feeding often.prayers for you and Dukee Leslie =^..^= On 10/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides fluids, definitely give SAMe (marketed through vets as denosyl, but you can just get SAMe at the health food store if you can find out the amount of SAMe that's in denosyl-- maybe someone on the list knows--) it helps a lot with liver failure. Michelle-- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Add my Mishka to the CLS
So sorry for your loss... she was a lucky girl to have found you... *hugs* Leslie =^..^= On 10/23/06, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Mishka died yesterday (Sunday Oct 22). She was such a prettylittle black and white kitty.She was abandoned at PetCo by someone, and accepted into our rescue.I could see that she was going downhill, and brought her to my house, hoping to make a difference andhelp her pull thru. I had great plans for her.Took her to the vet for the last two weeks.She'd tested negative on the Elisa. When she had a CBC blood test, it showed a low whitecount, low red count, low platelets - her bone marrow wasn't puttingout any platelets.Don't know why, but some kind of cancer's apossibility, we just don't know. She was just as sweet as could be, slightly long black and white fur,with cute little ringlets coming out her ears and paws.She hadwonderful, gentle personality - could have been somebody's love-bugfor a long time, but guess it wasn't to be.She was my love-bug for a short time.She was about a year old.What a beautiful angel!Thanks,Gloria-- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Max Please add to the CLS :(
Sherry, I'm so sorry for your loss... Leslie =^..^= On 10/18/06, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry to put this in the middle of all the good news.But out sweet little Max left us today.He was my boyfriends favorite little boy.I have yet to tell him.Thanks for the prayers. Sherry How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. -- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: What I learned
Leslie, so thrilled for you... and I second that Amen on the list of things you've learned. I think we've ALL learned from your experience!! *hugs* Leslie =^..^= On 10/18/06, Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Leslie,You can (sort of) microchip your car - it's called LoJack. http://www.lojack.com/And even tho I have a cut-off switch on my car, I also have the LoJackinstalled.If the car ever gets stolen, you call the cops with yourpersonal ID (which should be kept in a safe place in your house).The cops then activate the small radio frequency transceiver hidden in the carand have their own equipment to listen for your car.I'm s glad both of your kitties are back with you, and I hope your midterms go well too.Kat (Mew Jersey)On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Leslie wrote: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:52:01 -0700 From: Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: What I learned I just wanted to share this with you, looking back on the things that I will/won't do differently in the future. 1.Microchip everything.I should microchip the car.Even with the slight snag with Satch's chip, I feel that they would have sorted it out and gotten him to me. 2.Put a bumper sticker on your car.I hate bumper stickers, but putting out a notice on a nondescript white car - which matches the description of 90% of cars out there, it seems, I'm going to put a pink one on there from a CD store back home.License plates numbers are hard to remember and easy to remove - bumper stickers aren't. 3.Collars.I don't think that having the cats in a carrier would have been better - in fact maybe worse, because they wouldn't be able to leave the car, but even as indoor cats, I see how collars are a good idea. 4.Cut off switch in the car.Who would want this car?I felt, and still feel to some extent, but whether or not I know the answer to that is not the point.I don't know who and I don't know why, I just know that they did and if there's a simple fix to prevent it from happening again, even if it probably won't ever in my lifetime, I am going to take it in order to feel safer. 5.Be a member of this list for life.Give back, be open, because you will probably never meet such a wonderful and supportive group of people your entire life. Stay safe you all, I'm off to stiller waters - though I know that my tv-viewing public will be so sad by that.:) Leslie-- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Donation for Reward - Leslie's Cats
What if we all band together to donate money for Leslieto use as a reward? Surely there are enough of us on here to come up with a reasonable amount? Thoughts? -- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Need immediate thoughts for Satch and Beatrix
OH LESLIE! HOW AWFUL!! I'm so sorry you're going through this!! It is absolutely unimaginable!! You're poor, poor scared cats!! What kind of jerks... oh, don't get me started. Please keep us posted... I'm so sorry. Leslie =^..^= On 10/16/06, Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please bear with me here in writing this, I didn't know how hard it would be to put into words. I spend my weekends at my boyfriend's house and take the cats with me (they love him and his dog, and I don't like leaving them). Monday mornings I pack everything up including the cats, go back in to say goodbye to Ed, and then drive the 20 minutes home. This morning I loaded in my groceries, my school books, the cats, go back in kiss Ed goodbye, grab my breakfast in a tupperware from the fridge and go back outside to find someone in my car backing it out of the driveway. The doors were unlocked, but there was no key inside it, so they must have hotwired it. I ran at the car backing up, yelling, hey and get out and banging on the windshield, I in fact, smashed the tupperware against it, having no other weapons (eggs went everywhere), but they kept going. I yelled that there are cats in there, but they didn't stop. Ed heard me yelling and by the time I got back inside, he was on the phone with 911. As indoor cats they don't wear collars, though both are microchipped. They ride well in the car as long as they're loose, so they were loose. I don't know which is more likely, them to get thrown out, or to be kept in. Satch is probably talkingthe thief'sear off because he didn't get fed before we left. I am so scared that they'll have been thrown out. Satch is a big guy, was found on the streets, he can handle what is likely to present itself to him, but the kittenoh you guys, I'm so scared. I would have thought they'd be a theft deterrant. He threw my book bag out the window across from a nearby park, I have no idea why that item of all that he could have (my overnight bag, grocery bags, etc), and figure that it's God's way of saying that even through this stress I still have to study. ha. Ironically the 20 lb biology book was probably the most valuable item in the car, not that its street value would amount to much. Naturally, I've spent the morning searching that area to see if the cats might have been tossed there, too, but haven't found anything. Satch knows his name and comes to it, so I hope that they at least stay together. Pray that the police call ( I have Ed's cell phone, mine was in the car, but maybe they'll be able to use it's tracking device to locate it ), and pray that they have good news. Picture Satch and Beatrix oblivious to my concerns and sleeping on the back seat, or hanging out on a nice porch waiting for me to find them. Pray that they not be stressed, but get back to me after a harmless adventure on their end. please pray that I see them again and that they are unharmed. Thank you all so much, Leslie-- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Please add Spencer to the CLS
Nina, I know I'm not alone in saying that we all felt like we knew Spencer. I'm truly sorry for your loss... *hugs* Leslie =^..^= On 10/12/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Belinda and All,I'm so sad and numb this morning.So completely worn out, I know youall understand how I'm feeling.Spencer had been so weak yesterday, but still so attentive and loving, what an incredible spirit this boy has.The vet was late, (I'm so glad he was), and I had been laying next toSpencer on our bed, keeping him company while we waited.He lifted his head and tried to move, but he just couldn't get his once magnificentbody to work.I decided to bring him out front.He used to love goingout with his dogs every morning to get the paper and I thought he might enjoy going out one more time.I was right.Unbelievably, he ralliedand was actually able to stumble to his favorite spot under my Jeepparked in the driveway.He even drank from the feral's water bowl.I couldn't stand seeing him on the uncomfortable cement any longer and put him on his bed and we sat and quietly watched the neighborhoodcomings and goings from the front steps.I had just brought him back inside when I saw my vet approaching up thefront walk.Heaven help me, but I wanted to scream, NO!NOT YET!Of course, it was time to finally say goodbye.Do you still do tributes with their pictures?I'm going to send you hispicture off-list to include in case you do.Bless it, this was a hardone, (but then I guess there just aren't any easy ones, are there?). I want to express my gratitude once again to this incredible list ofcaring people.I went through such contortions dealing with Spencer'sillness and decline.I don't know how I would have coped without your support and prayers.Much love as always,Nina-- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: When is a sneeze more than a sneeze?
Leslie - Here's a link to the Oreck Air Purifier on Ebay (can't remember if I sent that to you in a previous email)... You can usually get them new for right around $200 (they're pushing $500 retail). I noticed a big difference with my Asthma kitty when I got one. Weare getting ready to purchase another as well. As to Beatrix, I wouldn't worry about the odd sneeze here and there... are you dosing l-lysine to both Satch and Beatrix? http://search.ebay.com/oreck-air-purifier_W0QQfromZR9QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsspagenameZSTRKQ3aMEFSRCHQ3aSRCH Leslie =^..^= On 10/11/06, Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, So Satchmo and Beatrix are still doing well, but I'm wondering if there is something in my apartment that is irritating them. Satch's cough is definitely better, but he'll still huff every now and then and Beatrix has started sneezing - but not like a URI, no temp, big appetitie, lots of energy, no runny nose. The sneezes are small, dainty and nothing big comes out of them. I'm vacuumming, but the apartment is pretty tidy, I clean with homemade cleaners (lots of soda water, vinegar, baking soda, etc), so nothing very obvious sticks out to me. I'm going to get an air cleaner that Leslie Lawther recommended, but am hoping that I can work it into a Christmas present. If it's an emergency, I'll spring for it now, but am hoping that it's not. Any ideas? Could it be a food allergy? I would think that sneezing would be an odd manifestation of that, but that's the only thing that I change with any regularity. Would you worry if in all other ways they seem fine? Thanks! Leslie-- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Another vet visit for Spencer?
I know this is a stretch... but could he be eating at a neighbors house? We feed all the neighbors cats... in the neighborhood and at our property. I get told by people all the time What are you feeding those guys! They obviously like it better here than what I feed them!. So... is that a possibility? Leslie =^..^= On 10/9/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't have a problem with the decision if I were sure that what wasgoing on with Spencer was indeed terminal.I can't shake the feeling that he has the opportunity to get better.I don't know if that'sbecause of who he is, that he's determined to live every day to thefullest, or because he actually does have the chance at recovery.Myperceptions could very well be clouded with my desire for him to stay with me as well.I also know that if you ask most children, (Hell, ifyou ask me!), Do you want to go to the doctor?, the answer would beNO!I don't know if the vets would have any treatments to suggest, let alone if they would make Spencer miserable.I only know that if hedoesn't get some food into him, no matter how good he's actingotherwise, he's going to die.I'm hoping there is some way to help hisstomach upset, (if that's what's causing him not to eat).I asked about a feeding tube on the message I just left for the vet.I wouldn't evenbe thinking of that if I didn't believe there was a chance to pull himout of this.I don't know, this guy is already such a miracle.I already thought he was dead that day he went missing.The sound of theclock ticking is thundering in my ears!NinaMarylyn wrote: I can only tell you that when the Royal Princess Kitty Katt's cancers spread to the point that we knew treatment would make her miserable the treatments stopped...and she very plainly told me and 6 animal communicators that she wanted no more vets.Period.End of subject.And I stopped traveling with her--she hated traveling. Quality of life, as defined by the cat, is so much more important than length.Kitty left this world on her own.Her hatred of vets was so great I would not even take her.I had arranged for one to come to the house if she could not leave on her own so I would not torture her by putting her in a car. May you and your family--especially Spencer--have peace. -- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Coughing Satchmo, Mindboggling Medication
Leslie - so these are the herbs you are using for FeLV or for Satch's asthma? Do you find that these are helping? I know herbs are hard on a cat's system... so I'm really curious how this is working for Satch and how he is accepting them into his food. I'm VERY interested in how this works Leslie=^..^= On 10/9/06, Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry it's taken a few days to get back with you on the specifics, but...well, you'll see. My vet emailed me back about the herbs in Satch's asthma powder. I'll cut and paste from her email, then include links to Google searches that I did next to the ingredients - all text is hers, but anything within are my additions. I think that Eastern medecine is fascinating...in part because it all sounds like a kung fu movie, and I like to visualize the minor blue dragon kicking ass in Satch's bloodstream. Click on a few of these, I learned a lot, hopefully you guys will find it interesting: --- Hello.So how well do you know pin yin names of chinese herbs? It's part Xiao Qing Long Tang http://tcm.health-info.org/formulas/singles/Xiao-qing-long-tang.htm (minor blue dragon combination) and eight other singular herbs: Huang Qi seems like this is just astragalus: http://alternativehealing.org/huang_qi.htm Dong Chong Xia Cao http://www.heritage.com.sg/monograph/prod32.htm Lian Qiao http://alternativehealing.org/lian_qiao.htm SHeng Jiang this looks like it's ginger root:http://www.herbalists.on.ca/resources/freeman/ZINGIB.html Shan Yao http://alternativehealing.org/huai_shan.htm Shan Zhu Yu I don't know about the whole invigorating the yang of the loins bit, but: http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?Cornus+officinalis Chen Pi this one has very interesting infounder the Pharmacology section: http://content.nhiondemand.com/moh/media/TCMH1.asp?objID=100823ctype=tcmh Zi Su Ye http://tcm.health-info.org/Herbology.Materia.Medica/zisuye-properties.htm Hope this helps! Indeed. Leslie From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Asthma Hee hee.It's rare that anyone gets away with being vague abouttreatments around here.We're always so anxious to see what anyone elseis trying and if it seems to be working.How wonderful that you've found a holistic vet that you like.I have one that's about an houraway from me.She's the best vet I've ever found for dealing withreluctant patients, but she isn't that good at all the 'not so common'problems that are always so abundant around my house.She's also very expensive and hard to get an appointment with.I used to say Brucewould be perfect if only he had a trust fund, now I'm wishing he'd spenthis expensive education in veterinary school as well.Take notes when you talk to your vet :-) , N-- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: OT: Sneaky ways to feed ferals
What about cutting the back out of a pot for a plant? Do likeKelly said and make it a fake plant and then you'd have the whole inside of the pot where the dirt would be. You'll be like James Bond soon... We live in a deed restricted community too... I'm lucky no one has said anything about me feeding on the porch. I looked out the other day and there was a big fox eating on the porch! So word travels fast in the animal kingdom Leslie =^..^= On 10/9/06, kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:46 AM 10/9/2006, you wrote:Get a small fake plant,in a pot,,,put that put onto aq bigger bowel of water, A shallow bowel that is not obvious ...you can also do it with the food,,,Kelly Hi guys,I am not allowed (by my HOA) to have bowls, etc., on my porch. All pet food dishes must be kept inside. I am allowed to have plants outside.I have been just pouring the food out directly on my porch, which isn't the best method, but it works. I'm trying to figure out how to give them water. Maybe a bowl inside some sort of plant pot? Anyone got an idea? I want to fix them up a little nest for winter too..actually one is semi-social and will allow me to pet him, etc if I sit out on the porch for a while. If I can get him to where he will allow me to take him to the vet I will bring him in..he seems to want to come in. Thanks,Kelley-- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life! http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamesehttp://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/466 - Release Date: 10/7/2006 -- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Fwd: Persians
Group: Here is one of the emails going around about the Persians. I do not know Penny, but she is a member of Cat Call here in Brandon. I'm sure she can give more information. If any of you do call and find out more... please keep me posted! Leslie =^..^= -- Forwarded message --From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Date:Thu, 5 Oct 2006 14:48:42 -0400 Subject:PersiansFolks, I'm sorry to say I have very sad news. Most of the Persians aretesting positive for feline leukemia. No one wants to euthanize thesebeautiful cats but its looking like there are not a lot of options. If there is ~anyone~ who will take one (or more) home please call Penny at352 316 1848. Cat Call is bowing out of the loop because of thesituation. Its just too difficult for us to try to find homes for them. Regards, gracie-- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Persian Rescue in Florida Closing - Many FeLV+
Everyone: I had gotten some emails in the past month about a woman who was a Persian breeder who was closing... there were apparently more than 45 Persians who needed homes. I didn't really pay attention to the emails because pure bred Persians will have no problems finding a home. Turns out, at least 10 have tested positive for FeLV and are in very bad shape (they are expecting more to test positive). The situation appears to be an older woman with dementia... and well, you all know how those sad stories go. It is sounding like a lot of these pure bred cats will be euthanized... I thought I'd post to this list to see if anyone knew of anyone who could help. I have been outside the loop and have asked someone who took three of them if I could post her email about the whole situation... but I haven't heard back from her yet. If I do, I'll forward it. If any of you know anyone who might be able to help with these poor babies... please let me know. From the sounds of it, they are starved for attention and in a few cases had eye injuries left untreated and are now blind... they are rail thin and in NEED of loving homes. Leslie =^..^= -- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Persian Rescue in Florida Closing - Many FeLV+
I don't know MC? The gal who had emailed yesterday put two of her three down this morning with FeLV. Just makes me so sad I didn't know she was euthanizing them... There are many more from what I understand. On 10/6/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leslie,Have you emailed MC directly? I haven't seen her on the list lately, but she might be able to steer you towards help for these poor babies. Bless it, the need never ends. Prayers that they find help soon,Nina Leslie Lawther wrote: Everyone: I had gotten some emails in the past month about a woman who was a Persian breeder who was closing... there were apparently more than 45 Persians who needed homes. I didn't really pay attention to the emails because pure bred Persians will have no problems finding a home. Turns out, at least 10 have tested positive for FeLV and are in very bad shape (they are expecting more to test positive). The situation appears to be an older woman with dementia... and well, you all know how those sad stories go. It is sounding like a lot of these pure bred cats will be euthanized... I thought I'd post to this list to see if anyone knew of anyone who could help. I have been outside the loop and have asked someone who took three of them if I could post her email about the whole situation... but I haven't heard back from her yet. If I do, I'll forward it. If any of you know anyone who might be able to help with these poor babies... please let me know. From the sounds of it, they are starved for attention and in a few cases had eye injuries left untreated and are now blind... they are rail thin and in NEED of loving homes. Leslie =^..^= -- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson -- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: To Kelley: Re: Have yall seen these - Felv/FIV guidelines for vets
THAT'S SO COOL TOO! Dr. Edwards (on the Advisory Panel) is one of our vets! She's awesome... if any of you live in the Largo, FL area... she is one of the best vets I've ever found! Leslie =^..^= On 10/5/06, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley,Wow!Thanks so much for this information!It'sreally good info. (what I've read so far) and I'm printing it off to keep to refer to or forward on.Thanks so much for sending us the link!:)Wendy--- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was surprised when I read this. " *Cats infected with FeLV or FIV may live for many years. * A decision for euthanasia should never be made solely on the basis of whether or not a cat is infected.http://www.aafponline.org/resources/guidelines/Felv_FIV_Guidelines.pdf So maybe one of the questions we should advise new people to ask their vets is if they agree and abide by these guidelines... Apologies if yall have seen these before, I just hadn't... -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life! http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese http://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com-- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Kathi and the hard decisions (was timing on felv + test)
Unfortunately money is no judge of compassion... that is one BIG lesson I've learned in rescue. There have been people who I *know* could afford care... but just won't provide it. Also, just because people have money doesn't mean they will love the cat like you will... so there is so much more to weigh than justfinancial. I'm sure if a cat had to choose between 22 years in a home where it was mistreated or not cared for completely... and another home with only maybe 12-15 years but would have 200% unconditional love... I know which one I would choose. Quality over quantitiy Guess what I'm tying to say, don't beat yourselves up gals... do what your heart says is right. Leslie =^..^= On 10/4/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ugh Kathi, you have some hard decisions to make!I think most of ushave been there and done that, I know I have.You have to follow your heart and do what's best for your entire household.As far as adoptinganyone out to a household with better finances...I used to think inthose terms too.I won't go into the whole story, but I had a pup that I placed in what I thought was a loving home with plenty of money forvet bills.When I checked on him two weeks later, he had to be rushedto the ER.His new family refused to pay for treatment and Bruce and I stepped up and welcomed him back home.I didn't learn of my felv kittens status until after they had been mixedwith my other cats for months.The option of separating them neverexisted for me and I'm so glad.None of my negs ever became pos and my felv babies had a wonderful, if not short, life.For me, it's all aboutquality, it's all about the feeling in my gut that tells me what's rightor wrong for us.I was told to keep them sequestered.I was told to never allow them to play in the yard.I was told many things that wouldhave lessened the quality of their life and maybe it would have extendedthe time they had here, but I don't think the trade off is worth it. There are never any guarantees in this life.We do our best tosafeguard all those we care about, but ultimately we don't have thatkind of control.My advice is to look into those innocent eyes, makeyour decisions from a place of love, be at peace with those decisions once they're made and you will find your way.NinaKathi Clark wrote: Thanks, Tonya.This has given me something to think about.I haven't had the other ones tested again and I don't think I will.My vet said if she was in my situation she would retest only if I brought them in for an illness on down the road.If Ellie tests negative on the IFA on October 13, I'll mix her with the others.If she doesn't, I may still integrate her.Is that taking a big risk with the 1-year-olds, though?As I said, Oreo, who's 1, became infected by Ellie and I know if I mix the two again, they'll have a great deal of one-on-one contact.Oreo and Connie have a lot of contact now and if Oreo contracts it again, does that put Connie at risk?Sorry so many questions.I'm just a nervous mother and FeLV is so new to me. I would miss Ellie so if I found her another home and would always be worried if she was happy or not and taken care of.I just am concerned that if she has health issues in the future, I can't financially handle the big vet bills.Perhaps someone else who's better off financially could give her a happy home, too.But the odds of finding someone who is better off financially are small, I know. So, it's just wait and see, like everything else in life.I try not to panic anymore. This is the best site.I've learned more from all of you than I have from my vet.I wonder if she knows she shouldn't have tested Ellie with the IFA so soon after the ELISSA.I don't see that vet any longer. Kathi-- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Peanut/Special Needs List
Yvonne, Please do ask about SamE... but you will probably have to tell your vet Zentonil (he will recognize that name). If he doesn't recommend it... I will give you a website you can order 100mg SamE... I swear by that stuff. If you have any questions or when you get Peanut home please feel free to email me... I will give you my number too if you want to call. I really think the key is feeding A LOT of small meals... and SamE... good luck, my thoughts and prayers are with you and your husband and Peanut Leslie =^..^= On 9/28/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leslie, I can't tell you how heartened I am to hear your story about Goliath. Even Peanut's ears were yellow when I dropped her off...I was pretty scared, but I'm starting to calm down now. Her bilirubin was 10.8 I guess normal is .1 to .4. Her white cell count was a whopping 44,000 normal is 16,000. I will definitely ask about the SamE. I think we got a good omen as we were leaving the vet. My hubby had met me there after he got off of work as we were turning on to the road from the vet, I saw him gesturing at the SUV in front of us. I look where he's pointing this SUV's licence plate says ME A PNUT. Now, what are the odds of coming out of the vet clinic seeing your cat's name on someone's license plate? Maybe it seems weird, but I'm considering ita good sign! Thank you so much for giving me hope! Yvonne In a message dated 9/27/2006 2:14:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We also turned Goliath around from liver failure... the vet said he was sending him home to die that there was nothing he could do. He said he was one of the worst cases he had seen (Goliath was almost completely yellow). -- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Peanut/Special Needs List
We also turned Goliath around from liver failure... the vet said he was sending him home to die that there was nothing he could do. He said he was one of the worst cases he had seen (Goliath was almost completely yellow). We fed Goliath every 2 hours for almost 2 months... he got SamE (or the veterinary equiv. is Zentonil) and I SWEAR SWEAR SWEAR by that stuff... I have seen SamE (100mg - it's time release so you can't cut a larger size) completely cure liver failure. Pat Lamoretti is on this group... and Goliath is one of her rescues... so she can tell you he was almost feral... and now after coming back from near death is a big teddy bear... so don't give up... feed small amountsOFTEN... I fed baby food because he couldn't keep anything else down (make sure it has no garlic or onion powder) I mixed it with NutriCal to give more nutrients that he needed...and dosed SamE. I set my alarm to get up all through the night... and to this day the vet still is amazed that Goliath not only survived, but is thriving... There IS hope with the liver... On 9/27/06, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Yvonne, I hope it isn't hepatic lipidosis, the only thing that will reverse that is enough food. The liver is one of the organs that definitely can heal itself, but if she is jaundice from not eating enough then food, more importantly enough food is the only way to save her. Not saying this to scare you it is a fact and I've seen it enough to know it is very reversible, Buddie had this, hers was caught very early on and she was fine. Lots of prayers for Peanut. Make sure she is getting a can to a can and half of food a day if this is what she has. And yes it can strike in just a day or two if a cat quits eating, especially if the cat is overweight to start with. I'm adding her now, hope her blood work comes back with out any serious problems going on.-- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com-- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Smokey and food
How do you get your cats to eat that stuff?! Mine turn their noses up as if I've put sprouts in front of them! On 9/21/06, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wysong is supposed to be good too.:)Wendy--- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that you could get Innova Evo in can my vet only has it in dry.I have been getting Smokey the Fancy Feast medleys.At first he would clean his dish but now he acts like he doesn't like it.He acts fine other than his eating.I didn't know of any other foods that were good for him.I think my vet may sell Wysong I think is the name of it.I may try that.Thanks for your help. Cindy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Cindy, I feed mine wet and dry Innova Evo.I also feed my geriatric kitty about a cup of cooked chicken and broth every night, which she is somewhat patiently waiting for when I get home from work, and a cup of chicken broth every morning, which she is impatiently waiting for as soon as I wake up in the morning. lol. I also feed mine as a treat the new Fancy Feast medleys, in the sea green cans.They have cool flavors like souffles and florentines.My cats LOVE them!You can get a coupon online at Fancy Feast right now. :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello to everybody I haven't been able to follow all of the post because work has been very busy.I hope everyone's babies are doing fine.I had a question about Smokey.The last few days I have noticed he hasn't been eating very good.He nibbles but that is about it.I had been feeding him EVO and can food. I have tried different foods.I gave him some Purina Cat Chow and he seemed to eat a bit more of that than anything.I am not sure how good that food is for him. Tuesday night my husband took him to the vet to get an injection of Winstrol to see if that might help.He wasn't running a fever and he hadn't lost any weight. Last night I gave him some chicken we had for supper and he ate all of that.What kind of food do any of you use?He had a cbc done about 2 weeks ago and the vet said it looked really good.I hope I am not being paranoid about all of this. Any advice would be great. Cindy Reasoner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com__ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com__ Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection aroundhttp://mail.yahoo.com-- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Partners' reactions to FeLV+
Leslie, We have both FIV and FeLV (not together) and my husband is very supportive. The way we look at it is thatthey arelives... and every life is worth saving. I would not trade one single moment with one of the wonderfulcats or kittens we have lost over the years for the pain we sufferedwhen we lostthem (and believe me, the pain was horrid). We love all of them unconditionally. Unfortunately there are not as many of us who are willing to take on the FeLV or FIV kitties... and as you know, they are generally the most special cats. You may get a shorter time with them... but you are sure to get one of the most special cats you'll ever know... Just my 2 cents worth Leslie =^..^= On 9/21/06, Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michelle brings up a good point that I have been wondering about lately. My boyfriend has gone through two FeLV+ losses with me. We do not live together and these are definitely MY cats, but he is supportive and comforting and mourns himself when the time has come to say goodbye. However, after the kitten, Azrael, passed (I had her for four days and many tears, and vet bills) and I was debating getting Beatrix, I could tell that his ability to empathize was waning. We have discussions about the sanity of adopting leukemia positive cats versus maintaining his 1979 Corvette. In my opinion, one of those things is ridiculous and the other worthy. He has the same opinion, but I suppose you can guess that what we select for each categoryis not the same. Anyway, our bottom line is that if I want to, it's my decision and he will support me, but it is hard to not have enthusiastic support. I was wondering what the other people in your life feel about the positive cats in their homes. As Nina's husband can attest, just because you may not have been the one to open your doors to them, doesn't mean that you won't have to personally adjust to the consequences thereof - and to be fair, those consequences can just as easily be good. Speaking of Nina, how is Spencer? I hope that your silence is not indicative of anything. Leslie From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Minnion has gone to the Bridge I am so sorry.As someone who has watched 4 positive cats die, Ithink thatadopting multiple positives is a really hard thing to do.Mypartner has made me promise I will not do it anymore. So I understand yourdecision regarding your son.Michelle-- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: $$$ or Kitty Talk
Oh my you cracked me up! Your house sounds exactly like ours! And the thought of them huddling around the computer togetherin the dark of nightposting themselves on Petfinder just threw up a hysterical image in my mind!! Thanks for the laugh! I needed it!! Leslie =^..^= On 9/19/06, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have been thinking more about this. one week of their speakingenglish. hmm, is that for just ONE cat in the family? how would i choose which one?remembering what an animal communicator said once, that not all catsare chatty cathy's---what if i picked one who had absolutely nothingto say? or if i happened upon a week when the one i choose was just in a calico mood? could i stand to listen to one of the calicos bitchingfor seven days? and do i really want to KNOWhow the forever catsfelt about last summer's no-good-deed-goes-unpunished effort at beingan estrogen zone and bringing 5 pregnant or new moms with their assorted 28 kittens into THEIR house? (some of the adults are justnow, a year later, trusting me enough to venture outside thebedroom.) and what if they all think i'm a lousy mom and reallyhave posted themselves all on petfinder--do i need to know this? send me the money!MCOn 9/19/06, Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beth, what a great description of Max.She sounds like a hoot!Plus, any creature that makes CATS seem grateful by comparison is worthy of awe and respect! I'd have to take the money too.I don't know if I could put up with the complaints coming at me from 5 directions:Missy: Mom! Give me some food but not THAT food, some better food. Fred: Mm, don't let those weird ladies come over any more, so I don't have to hide, Tribble: Mooom, I'm hearing the voices again, and they've got some pretty good ideas!Doyle:Mm, Tribble's looking at me! Luc: Dude. Well, maybe that last one wouldn't be so bad, but drain tiles don't pay for themselves Diane R. Oh my, I have a pet that talks to me all the time, Max, my African Grey parrot. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient.If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system.In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. --Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892-- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Question re rabies vaccine
Your Animal Control come out and do head counts?! Leslie =^..^= On 9/18/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Gina,I live in CA and the rabies vaccine is required in my county.My Ursulais licensed.She was meowing in the window when the AC guy was out doing head counts in the neighborhood.I tried to say, huh, where didthat cat come from?!The guy didn't buy it.Now, whenever her licenseis due, I have to take her for her dreaded vaccine shot.Nina Gina WN wrote: Rabies vaccination of cats is advised but not required in California.I looked for local laws for my county (El Dorado) but couldn't find any. :) Gina -- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Feliway spray versus diffuser
We do rescue so we have a lot of cats come and go... and we swear by the diffusers. It takes a while for them to work and the change is very subtle... but when our big boy Rudy gets nasty, my husband and I look at each other and say The Feliway is out! and sure enough... 99.9% of the time it's empty. So, it may not work on every cat... but we sure have seen a difference with ours. We have 10 of them plugged in for 3000 square feet... so you have to be sure you have enough coverage. Feliway and ComfortZone are the same thing... and the refills are interchangeable so I would look for which is on sale... I buy them at www.biovets.com usually Leslie =^..^= On 9/15/06, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks again. A thought---I've seen more than one listmember say the spray is the one to get, not the diffuser (never the other way around). Any thoughts on that? I need it to *work*! Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:58 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: o/t anyone know the best deal for Feliway here's an even better deal http://www.petsnmore.com/home.asp?searchstr=feliwayGCID=S16135x002keyword=feliway%20diffuser This one is the lowest I've found for the 6 packof refills MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Barb! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:51 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t anyone know the best deal for Feliway check this out:) http://www.entirelypets.com/6pakfedire48.html MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi allI need to buy a bunch of Feliway. If anyone knows of a good sourcepricewise, I'd appreciate it.Thanks!Kerry M. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito MalitoMy cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!?Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito MalitoMy cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. -- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Feliway spray versus diffuser
I'm sure we're over-kill on the amount we use... but when doors are opening and closing I figured it was better to have too many than not enough. When you use them though you have to make sure you don't leave them plugged in when they're empty a friend told me that she has heard they can be a fire hazzard (great, something else to worry about!). Leslie =^..^= On 9/15/06, Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one diffuser says it covers 650 sq feet our apartment is a bit over 900 so I have one in the hallway (midpoint of apt) and one in the master bedroom next to the 2ndary litter box (added for Smoky's comfort and convenience) Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We do rescue so we have a lot of cats come and go... and we swear by the diffusers. It takes a while for them to work and the change is very subtle... but when our big boy Rudy gets nasty, my husband and I look at each other and say The Feliway is out! and sure enough... 99.9% of the time it's empty. So, it may not work on every cat... but we sure have seen a difference with ours. We have 10 of them plugged in for 3000 square feet... so you have to be sure you have enough coverage. Feliway and ComfortZone are the same thing... and the refills are interchangeable so I would look for which is on sale... I buy them at www.biovets.com usually Leslie =^..^= On 9/15/06, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks again. A thought---I've seen more than one listmember say the spray is the one to get, not the diffuser (never the other way around). Any thoughts on that? I need it to *work*! Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:58 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: o/t anyone know the best deal for Feliway here's an even better deal http://www.petsnmore.com/home.asp?searchstr=feliwayGCID=S16135x002keyword=feliway%20diffuser This one is the lowest I've found for the 6 packof refills MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Barb! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:51 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t anyone know the best deal for Feliway check this out:) http://www.entirelypets.com/6pakfedire48.html MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi allI need to buy a bunch of Feliway. If anyone knows of a good sourcepricewise, I'd appreciate it.Thanks!Kerry M. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito MalitoMy cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!?Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito MalitoMy cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. -- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito MalitoMy cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business . -- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
