Re: Birds, also, feliway....

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Foxy and Hobbs are playing "fort!"


"Consciousness is Causal
 and Physicality is its
 Manifestation."


On Jul 5, 2007, at 5:49 AM, Susan Dubose wrote:


Hobbs is an orangish tabby, probably more "buff" colored.

Orange tabbies are the best

I did see him 3 times on the 4th.

Maybe he was Liberating himself form under the couch in the cat room.

All I saw was his butt, though, scampering back under the couch  
when he saw me...  :(


He is living under there w/ Foxy Brown (she's the foxiest brown in  
town).


She is a long furred tortie that was thrown out of a car onto a  
busy highway here in Austin a few years back.


She was rescued by a policeman, but was injured pretty bad.

She has never quite gotten over her fear.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened  
claws."

 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message -
From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway

Dear Susan:

What color is your little Hobbs?  He'll probably come around with  
all the love in your house!  He sounds like a really tough little guy!


"Consciousness is Causal
 and Physicality is its
 Manifestation."

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

[Susan Dubose]

Hobbs is an orangish tabby, probably more "buff" colored.

Orange tabbies are the best

I did see him 3 times on the 4th.

Maybe he was Liberating himself form under the couch in the cat room.

All I saw was his butt, though, scampering back under the couch when he saw 
me...  :(

He is living under there w/ Foxy Brown (she's the foxiest brown in town).

She is a long furred tortie that was thrown out of a car onto a busy highway 
here in Austin a few years back.

She was rescued by a policeman, but was injured pretty bad.

She has never quite gotten over her fear.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:15 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  Dear Susan:


  What color is your little Hobbs?  He'll probably come around with all the 
love in your house!  He sounds like a really tough little guy!


  "Consciousness is Causal 
   and Physicality is its
   Manifestation."

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Dear Susan:

What color is your little Hobbs?  He'll probably come around with all  
the love in your house!  He sounds like a really tough little guy!


"Consciousness is Causal
 and Physicality is its
 Manifestation."


On Jul 1, 2007, at 1:30 AM, Susan Dubose wrote:

In my old house (2 months back) I only had "covered" litterboxes w/  
clumpable litter.


In the new place, I have 4 of the HUGE blue "tote" types from  
Lowes, that are transparent, w/ Yesterday's mews.

3 of the HUGE clear ones w/ clay mixed w/ crystals,
and one "low rider" that is pretty big w/ the same mix.

This is in the enclosure area.

In "their" room, I have 3 covered boxes w/ clumpable and one in the  
"their" bathroom w/ clay plus crystals.


I did this so they would have a few choices.

Litterbox behavior has gotten much better, but there are few, like  
Pugsley, that enjoy peeing on things and 2 that poop right in front  
of the boxes in the cat room.


One is my 15 year old, who use to ALWAYS have very good litterbox  
habits.


I have the lower litterbox in the enclosure for a fairly recently  
acquired cat that has no back legs, which, at this point, I never see.


He's a hider, was in his former house.


He was abandoned @ the area Humane Society as a tiny kitten, and  
went home for fostering w/ one of the staff.


He caught URI, had to be medicated, and apparently that made him  
fearful and he wasn't the same friendly, sweet kitten that he was  
originally.


He pretty much lived under her bed, pooping under there too.

She would see him occasionally but only @ night.

She has very long work hours, and is also in a band that tours, so,  
not much time to try and change his behavior.


I took his as a favor to her & probably to him, as well.

At least at my house he can have more room and have exposure to the  
outside in the enclosure.


(I really think that the access to fgresh air has really helped my  
cats all around health, especially the chronic ones).


I didn't care about the litterbox thing, whether he used it or not,  
my enclosure is stained concrete w/ a "high" gloss finish, the cat  
room & bathroom is tile and hardwood in the masterbedroom.


These are the cat areas.

Livingroom is no cat zone as well as kitchen.

(I had a "stove peer" @ the old house, and they actually set my  
kitchen on fire twice. Another long story).


Anyway, "Hobbs" was born w/ only "stubbs" for backlegs, very sad.

But he can REALLY haul kitty butt when he wants to.

He also loves other cats, he is a "cat's cat", if you know what I  
mean.



As far as litterboxes, I would prefer no clumpable, I think it's a  
bad idea, but the cats seem to really prefer it over anything  
else


They will have to be weaned, I guess.

I will try this Feliway, maybe it will be the answer to my  
"cleaning prayers"..


Hey, a girl ( a "kitty girl" ) can dream.  :)


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened  
claws."

             Trajan Tennent




- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway

Re litter box issues:

Make sure you are using unscented litter without the blue pellets.   
My cats, Dixie and those who have left, will not tolerate the  
perfumed kind.  This is logical if you are a very few inches from  
the litter, kicking it etc.  The blue things contain germicides  
that, as one company says, causes no trouble most of the  
timeI don't deal with most of the time.


Try using Rubbermaid or knock offs boxes without lids.  They give  
more room (important for ferals particularly--they are vulnerable  
when and don't like to feel closed in/trapped) and have high enough  
backs that a cat who has trouble (for any reason including "I just  
don't want to") can urinate without getting it all over the place  
(I learned this when Ebony was getting older and had a physical  
problem that made getting down difficult).


Yes, the Feliway may help.  It was designed for "pee-problems."





 If you have men  
who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter  
of compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise  
with their fellow man.
   
St. Francis

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Seems to work for us!  Get it at RevivalAnimal.com to get the cheapest.

"Consciousness is Causal
 and Physicality is its
 Manifestation."


On Jun 30, 2007, at 6:56 PM, Susan Dubose wrote:


Well, he has actually gotten much better, it kinda comes & goes..

Isn't it funny how the house ferals will run from  you when you  
walk towards them, but you can sneak into your bedroom and they are  
asleep on your pillow, or rolling around on your dirty clothes that  
you tossed on the floor?


(Yes, folks, I am a slob)...

It's like they REALLY want to be petted & loved, but it's s  
scary.  :(


As for Feliway, I have had heard lots about it, and I know folks  
who use it, but they cannot actually tell me if it works or not.


What do you think?

Does it work for you?

I have considered it, but it's pretty pricey and I always think  
"heck, that's a cat spay" or whatever.


But if I knew it would work, I certainly would pony up the  
money


Let me know your thoughts, folks...

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened  
claws."

 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: Birds

No (that is too dear to take away) but it should help with the  
skittishness.  It makes you smell like a cat (or so the theory  
goes).  It really helped with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt  
(rehomed from my Mom's).  It certainly helped establish a "safe  
area" with her.not the awful smell of the terrible person  
who catnapped her from her chosen person.







 If you have men  
who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter  
of compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise  
with their fellow man.
   
St. Francis

- Original Message -
From: Susan Dubose

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

[Marylyn]

The Royal Princess Kitty Katt (obviously a calico) left this world a little 
over a year ago.  She never got over being catnapped but we reached an 
agreement in sorts.  Even when I moved back to the country with her she held it 
against me.  I would put her on the bed beside me.  She would beat me (in this 
case thank Goodness she didn't have her claws), march to the foot of the bed, 
lay there for a few minutes, march back to the head of the bed and beat me some 
more.  Later she would be snuggled in my arms giving me Kitty kisses or leading 
me to the living room where she very plainly wanted me to lay on the floor with 
her for a while.  I really miss her.

When they leave it is like loosing a part of the person they chose to live with 
again.  I can see Kitty sitting next to Daddy in his recliner.  He would try to 
read the paper which was a sure sign Kitty would be there in a minute.  He had 
cancer and heart problems etc.  Even at his frailest he would lay on the floor 
and talk to her under the couch.   

I am sorry your Dad's cat left but know that they are together and very 
happy.and watching after you.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:32 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  I just bought a bunch of Feliway at Revival and it's got the best prices.  
Petco will set you back bigtime.


  You are something, Marilyn.  You do so much for little Royal Princess Kitty 
Kat!  My dad's cat (he passed away eight years ago) just passed away himself, 
of kidney failure.  He was up there in age, but still, it was a shock, 
especially to my mom, to have him go, poor beautiful long-haired black dear 
kitty.  But he missed my dad so.  He cried every night in Dad's home office 
hoping he'd return and here's the cool thing:  when I moved in with my mom 
1-1/2 years ago he stopped crying.  I was just enough of my dad to make him 
feel much better.




  "Consciousness is Causal 
   and Physicality is its
   Manifestation."




  On Jun 30, 2007, at 10:14 PM, Marylyn wrote:


It has to be their idea.  I have had some wonderful ferals but they are not 
house cats as we normally think about them.  They are very self sufficient and, 
when they decide to give you any sign of affection, much less kitten kisses or 
purrs, you know it is genuine.

I have used Feliway and am convinced that it works get.  And it has worked 
with several cats.  My regular vets use it in the cat area of their clinic. I 
really don't believe I would ever have persuaded the Royal Princess Kitty Katt 
to come out without Feliway.  She chose to move in with my parents and was my 
father's cat until he left this world.  Then her whole world turned on end and 
she became my mother's cat (same house just a different person as 1st person).  
I was the one who always caught her and clipped her nails, gave her meds, took 
her to the vet's etc when I came in from Louisville.  Finally Mom decided she 
couldn't take care of Kitty and that she should live with me.  This was no 
where in Kitty's plans and, in fact, was Kitty's version of hell.  She lost her 
job (taking care of Mom), lost her nice quiet house in the country with 
electric heat and a stay at home person to live in the city with forced air gas 
heat, a working person with very irregular hours, a mailman who came to the 
door, all the different scents and noises...I went so far as to replace 
the furnace and a/c before she came so she would not have to tolerate that.  I 
slept on the floor for three months working with her and trying to get her to 
come out.  The Feliway let her relax enough that she started coming out when I 
was asleep and things worked out from there. 

The price has really come down.  I don't know if you have checked lately 
but, compared with what I originally paid for it, it is dirt cheap.  It makes 
you smell like a cat and provides comfort to the little ones.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis
  - Original Message -
  From: Susan Dubose
  To: felvtalk@felinel

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

I just bought a bunch of Feliway at Revival and it's got the best  
prices.  Petco will set you back bigtime.


You are something, Marilyn.  You do so much for little Royal Princess  
Kitty Kat!  My dad's cat (he passed away eight years ago) just passed  
away himself, of kidney failure.  He was up there in age, but still,  
it was a shock, especially to my mom, to have him go, poor beautiful  
long-haired black dear kitty.  But he missed my dad so.  He cried  
every night in Dad's home office hoping he'd return and here's the  
cool thing:  when I moved in with my mom 1-1/2 years ago he stopped  
crying.  I was just enough of my dad to make him feel much better.



"Consciousness is Causal
 and Physicality is its
 Manifestation."


On Jun 30, 2007, at 10:14 PM, Marylyn wrote:

It has to be their idea.  I have had some wonderful ferals but they  
are not house cats as we normally think about them.  They are very  
self sufficient and, when they decide to give you any sign of  
affection, much less kitten kisses or purrs, you know it is genuine.


I have used Feliway and am convinced that it works get.  And it has  
worked with several cats.  My regular vets use it in the cat area  
of their clinic. I really don't believe I would ever have persuaded  
the Royal Princess Kitty Katt to come out without Feliway.  She  
chose to move in with my parents and was my father's cat until he  
left this world.  Then her whole world turned on end and she became  
my mother's cat (same house just a different person as 1st  
person).  I was the one who always caught her and clipped her  
nails, gave her meds, took her to the vet's etc when I came in from  
Louisville.  Finally Mom decided she couldn't take care of Kitty  
and that she should live with me.  This was no where in Kitty's  
plans and, in fact, was Kitty's version of hell.  She lost her job  
(taking care of Mom), lost her nice quiet house in the country with  
electric heat and a stay at home person to live in the city with  
forced air gas heat, a working person with very irregular hours, a  
mailman who came to the door, all the different scents and  
noises...I went so far as to replace the furnace and a/c  
before she came so she would not have to tolerate that.  I slept on  
the floor for three months working with her and trying to get her  
to come out.  The Feliway let her relax enough that she started  
coming out when I was asleep and things worked out from there.


The price has really come down.  I don't know if you have checked  
lately but, compared with what I originally paid for it, it is dirt  
cheap.  It makes you smell like a cat and provides comfort to the  
little ones.







 If you have men  
who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter  
of compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise  
with their fellow man.
   
St. Francis

- Original Message -
From: Susan Dubose
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway

Well, he has actually gotten much better, it kinda comes & goes..

Isn't it funny how the house ferals will run from  you when you  
walk towards them, but you can sneak into your bedroom and they are  
asleep on your pillow, or rolling around on your dirty clothes that  
you tossed on the floor?


(Yes, folks, I am a slob)...

It's like they REALLY want to be petted & loved, but it's s  
scary.  :(


As for Feliway, I have had heard lots about it, and I know folks  
who use it, but they cannot actually tell me if it works or not.


What do you think?

Does it work for you?

I have considered it, but it's pretty pricey and I always think  
"heck, that's a cat spay" or whatever.


But if I knew it would work, I certainly would pony up the  
money


Let me know your thoughts, folks...

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened  
claws."

 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: Birds

No (that is too dear to take away) but it should help with the  
skittishness.  It makes you smell like a cat (or so the theory  
goes).  It really helped with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt  
(rehomed from my 

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

[Marylyn]

What is the problem?  As opposed to putting drops on the cat?  I think we all 
want to do what is the best for our immune compromised friends to keep them 
healthy.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: elizabeth trent 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:38 PM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  oooI have problems with sevin..but then again...I am the nut burger
  e. et. al.

   
  On 7/1/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
I use the Sevin for my feral colonies, it is safe.

There is another product that is safer for the environment.

I will see if I can dig up the name.


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state, 
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws." 
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:23 AM
      Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway

   
  Dixie and I travel quite a bit so bottled water is almost a must for her. 
 I want to get a purifier put in here but things take time.  

  My vet says Sevin around Mom's home will stop fleas and won't do damage 
to cats.  This might work in areas for you in addition to what you are doing.  
Fleas can cause lots of problems.  They came in with lumber here and caused hot 
spots on Dixie that got infected etc..Big mess. 






   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Susan Dubose 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway

 
Great idea on the litter, I will try it.

I am trying to "green" my household also, I just ordered a new book 
called, "100 Things you can do to be green".

I am doing flea treatments on my 12 felv+ fosters, they came to me w/ 
fleas and I want to do 2 to 3 months of treatment.

They also live in another building on the property, it is the size of a 
one car garage, only wider, and it has 2 "walkin pens" that separate the groups 
of 6 cats.

They have perches, windows (screened), fans, but no a/c so I leave the 
front door open during the day, which is screened also.

It is supposed to be my iso / temp holding quarters, which it is for @ 
least another 2 months.

I have "yard ferals" that I have relocated, and they need treatment as 
well and their fleas *could* end up in the house enclosure.

It is screened w/ pet screen and topped off w/ wire, so, just trying to 
be careful.

I haven't done a flea treatment on my personal cats for about 2 years, 
and I have been witnessing a bit of scratching lately, so it's time.

I really meant to treat everyone as they moved to the new place, but 
time got away form me.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state, 
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws." 
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:13 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway

   
  I haven't tried that one but a holistic vet recommends Cat Nap by 
Aromacat.  I have friends who have had lots of luck with it.  I have a bottle 
but haven'

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

[elizabeth trent]

oooI have problems with sevin..but then again...I am the nut burger
e. et. al.


On 7/1/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 I use the Sevin for my feral colonies, it is safe.

There is another product that is safer for the environment.

I will see if I can dig up the name.


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com <http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/>
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org <http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/>
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent





- Original Message -
*From:* Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:23 AM
*Subject:* Re: Birds, also, feliway


Dixie and I travel quite a bit so bottled water is almost a must for her.
I want to get a purifier put in here but things take time.

My vet says Sevin around Mom's home will stop fleas and won't do damage to
cats.  This might work in areas for you in addition to what you are doing.
Fleas can cause lots of problems.  They came in with lumber here and caused
hot spots on Dixie that got infected etc..Big mess.






 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis

- Original Message -
*From:* Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:51 AM
*Subject:* Re: Birds, also, feliway


Great idea on the litter, I will try it.

I am trying to "green" my household also, I just ordered a new book
called, "100 Things you can do to be green".

I am doing flea treatments on my 12 felv+ fosters, they came to me w/
fleas and I want to do 2 to 3 months of treatment.

They also live in another building on the property, it is the size of a
one car garage, only wider, and it has 2 "walkin pens" that separate the
groups of 6 cats.

They have perches, windows (screened), fans, but no a/c so I leave the
front door open during the day, which is screened also.

It is supposed to be my iso / temp holding quarters, which it is for @
least another 2 months.

I have "yard ferals" that I have relocated, and they need treatment as
well and their fleas *could* end up in the house enclosure.

It is screened w/ pet screen and topped off w/ wire, so, just trying to be
careful.

I haven't done a flea treatment on my personal cats for about 2 years, and
I have been witnessing a bit of scratching lately, so it's time.

I really meant to treat everyone as they moved to the new place, but time
got away form me.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com <http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/>
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org <http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/>
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent





- Original Message -----
*From:* Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:13 AM
*Subject:* Re: Birds, also, feliway


I haven't tried that one but a holistic vet recommends Cat Nap by
Aromacat.  I have friends who have had lots of luck with it.  I have a
bottle but haven't used it enough to make a call for me and my
circumstances.  Dixie is such a totally cool catwhen she gets upset
there is a reason that needs to be dealt with.

I mix her Arm and Hammer litter with silica crystals myself.  Most of the
mixtures don't have enough of the crystals to suit me and most have the blue
disinfectant crystals.  Too many people in the alternative area have told me
they are poison and it makes sense.  Most disinfectants/anti-bacterial
things are.  I just don't want her around them.  I am building (still, after
three years and.) am doing everything I can
to use non-toxic/non-outgassing materials.  I just don't want the stuff
around us.

I love the blackboard idea.  I'll try it.

If the cats are indoor why are you doing flea treatments?






 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

[Susan Dubose]

I use the Sevin for my feral colonies, it is safe.

There is another product that is safer for the environment.

I will see if I can dig up the name.


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:23 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  Dixie and I travel quite a bit so bottled water is almost a must for her.  I 
want to get a purifier put in here but things take time.  

  My vet says Sevin around Mom's home will stop fleas and won't do damage to 
cats.  This might work in areas for you in addition to what you are doing.  
Fleas can cause lots of problems.  They came in with lumber here and caused hot 
spots on Dixie that got infected etc..Big mess.






   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Susan Dubose 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


Great idea on the litter, I will try it.

I am trying to "green" my household also, I just ordered a new book called, 
"100 Things you can do to be green".

I am doing flea treatments on my 12 felv+ fosters, they came to me w/ fleas 
and I want to do 2 to 3 months of treatment.

They also live in another building on the property, it is the size of a one 
car garage, only wider, and it has 2 "walkin pens" that separate the groups of 
6 cats.

They have perches, windows (screened), fans, but no a/c so I leave the 
front door open during the day, which is screened also.

It is supposed to be my iso / temp holding quarters, which it is for @ 
least another 2 months.

I have "yard ferals" that I have relocated, and they need treatment as well 
and their fleas *could* end up in the house enclosure.

It is screened w/ pet screen and topped off w/ wire, so, just trying to be 
careful.

I haven't done a flea treatment on my personal cats for about 2 years, and 
I have been witnessing a bit of scratching lately, so it's time.

I really meant to treat everyone as they moved to the new place, but time 
got away form me.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
      To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:13 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  I haven't tried that one but a holistic vet recommends Cat Nap by 
Aromacat.  I have friends who have had lots of luck with it.  I have a bottle 
but haven't used it enough to make a call for me and my circumstances.  Dixie 
is such a totally cool catwhen she gets upset there is a reason that needs 
to be dealt with.

  I mix her Arm and Hammer litter with silica crystals myself.  Most of the 
mixtures don't have enough of the crystals to suit me and most have the blue 
disinfectant crystals.  Too many people in the alternative area have told me 
they are poison and it makes sense.  Most disinfectants/anti-bacterial things 
are.  I just don't want her around them.  I am building (still, after three 
years and.) am doing everything I can to use 
non-toxic/non-outgassing materials.  I just don't want the stuff around us.  

  I love the blackboard idea.  I'll try it.  

  If the cats are indoor why are you doing flea treatments? 






   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 

Re: Birds, also, feliway....and Rescue Remedy

[Marylyn]

RR comes in a spray too.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: elizabeth trent 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:51 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliwayand Rescue Remedy


  I did not know about the spray!  I'll google that -- thanks!

  elizabeth in alabama, phelix, tiffany, antonio, lexie, shakiti, othello, tori 
(who all had salmon today and are quite happy!)

   
  On 7/1/07, laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Elizabeth, glad to hear this! Mine refused it in water so I rub inside the 
ears (not as far down ear canal)...it really works for Winston who is very 
emotional! I also bought a spray that I spray in his carrier before he goes to 
the vet. I can't find it to tell you the name (my house is torn up from water 
damage) 
Laurie and Keisha, Coco, Frankie, Lucy, Cooper,Winston...Midas and Isabella 
  - Original Message - 
  From: elizabeth trent 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:26 AM
      Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliwayand Rescue Remedy

   
  Hey Laurie -
  I use rescue remedy too -- good stuff.  For some of my kitties - it's 
like liquid valium.  Others - it doesn't even phase them.  It's amazing stuff 
though - I wouldn't ever want to be without it... 
http://www.preciouspets.org/newsletters/articles/bach.htm

  I can tell you truly though -- I never would have believed it worked if I 
hadn't seen the results for myself.

  elizabeth in alabama, phelix, lexie, shakiti, tori, antonio, tiffany, 
othello

   
  On 7/1/07, laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 
I have had better luck with RR than with feliwayI have six cats.
Laurie

Re: Birds, also, feliway....and Rescue Remedy

[elizabeth trent]

got it.  I've heard that using on the ear works very well.  My Phelix has
terrible allergies and we use a transdermal benedry whipped up by the
compounding pharmacist.  It helps him a lot.  I'm thinking its the same
principle...

elizabeth in alabama, et. al. :0)


On 7/1/07, laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 whoops. I meant to say not as far down AS ear canal..about 1/2 way
between ear opening and tips...

- Original Message -
*From:* laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:40 AM
*Subject:* Re: Birds, also, feliwayand Rescue Remedy


Elizabeth, glad to hear this! Mine refused it in water so I rub inside the
ears (not as far down ear canal)...it really works for Winston who is very
emotional! I also bought a spray that I spray in his carrier before he goes
to the vet. I can't find it to tell you the name (my house is torn up from
water damage)
Laurie and Keisha, Coco, Frankie, Lucy, Cooper,Winston...Midas and
Isabella

Re: Birds, also, feliway....and Rescue Remedy

[elizabeth trent]

I did not know about the spray!  I'll google that -- thanks!

elizabeth in alabama, phelix, tiffany, antonio, lexie, shakiti, othello,
tori (who all had salmon today and are quite happy!)


On 7/1/07, laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Elizabeth, glad to hear this! Mine refused it in water so I rub inside
the ears (not as far down ear canal)...it really works for Winston who is
very emotional! I also bought a spray that I spray in his carrier before he
goes to the vet. I can't find it to tell you the name (my house is torn up
from water damage)
Laurie and Keisha, Coco, Frankie, Lucy, Cooper,Winston...Midas and
Isabella

- Original Message -
*From:* elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:26 AM
*Subject:* Re: Birds, also, feliwayand Rescue Remedy


Hey Laurie -
I use rescue remedy too -- good stuff.  For some of my kitties - it's like
liquid valium.  Others - it doesn't even phase them.  It's amazing stuff
though - I wouldn't ever want to be without 
it...http://www.preciouspets.org/newsletters/articles/bach.htm

I can tell you truly though -- I never would have believed it worked if I
hadn't seen the results for myself.

elizabeth in alabama, phelix, lexie, shakiti, tori, antonio, tiffany,
othello


On 7/1/07, laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  I have had better luck with RR than with feliwayI have six cats.
> Laurie
>
>
>
>

Re: Birds, also, feliway....and Rescue Remedy

[laurieskatz]

whoops. I meant to say not as far down AS ear canal..about 1/2 way between ear 
opening and tips... 
  - Original Message - 
  From: laurieskatz 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:40 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliwayand Rescue Remedy


  Elizabeth, glad to hear this! Mine refused it in water so I rub inside the 
ears (not as far down ear canal)...it really works for Winston who is very 
emotional! I also bought a spray that I spray in his carrier before he goes to 
the vet. I can't find it to tell you the name (my house is torn up from water 
damage)
  Laurie and Keisha, Coco, Frankie, Lucy, Cooper,Winston...Midas and Isabella 

Re: Birds, also, feliway....and Rescue Remedy

[laurieskatz]

Elizabeth, glad to hear this! Mine refused it in water so I rub inside the ears 
(not as far down ear canal)...it really works for Winston who is very 
emotional! I also bought a spray that I spray in his carrier before he goes to 
the vet. I can't find it to tell you the name (my house is torn up from water 
damage)
Laurie and Keisha, Coco, Frankie, Lucy, Cooper,Winston...Midas and Isabella 
  - Original Message - 
  From: elizabeth trent 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:26 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliwayand Rescue Remedy


  Hey Laurie -
  I use rescue remedy too -- good stuff.  For some of my kitties - it's like 
liquid valium.  Others - it doesn't even phase them.  It's amazing stuff though 
- I wouldn't ever want to be without it... 
http://www.preciouspets.org/newsletters/articles/bach.htm

  I can tell you truly though -- I never would have believed it worked if I 
hadn't seen the results for myself.

  elizabeth in alabama, phelix, lexie, shakiti, tori, antonio, tiffany, othello

   
  On 7/1/07, laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
I have had better luck with RR than with feliwayI have six cats.
Laurie

Re: Birds, also, feliway....and Rescue Remedy

[elizabeth trent]

Hey Laurie -
I use rescue remedy too -- good stuff.  For some of my kitties - it's like
liquid valium.  Others - it doesn't even phase them.  It's amazing stuff
though - I wouldn't ever want to be without it...
http://www.preciouspets.org/newsletters/articles/bach.htm

I can tell you truly though -- I never would have believed it worked if I
hadn't seen the results for myself.

elizabeth in alabama, phelix, lexie, shakiti, tori, antonio, tiffany,
othello


On 7/1/07, laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 I have had better luck with RR than with feliwayI have six cats.
Laurie

- Original Message -
*From:* Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:14 PM
*Subject:* Re: Birds, also, feliway


It has to be their idea.  I have had some wonderful ferals but they are
not house cats as we normally think about them.  They are very self
sufficient and, when they decide to give you any sign of affection, much
less kitten kisses or purrs, you know it is genuine.

I have used Feliway and am convinced that it works get.  And it has worked
with several cats.  My regular vets use it in the cat area of their clinic.
I really don't believe I would ever have persuaded the Royal Princess Kitty
Katt to come out without Feliway.  She chose to move in with my parents and
was my father's cat until he left this world.  Then her whole world turned
on end and she became my mother's cat (same house just a different person as
1st person).  I was the one who always caught her and clipped her nails,
gave her meds, took her to the vet's etc when I came in from Louisville.
Finally Mom decided she couldn't take care of Kitty and that she should live
with me.  This was no where in Kitty's plans and, in fact, was Kitty's
version of hell.  She lost her job (taking care of Mom), lost her nice quiet
house in the country with electric heat and a stay at home person to live in
the city with forced air gas heat, a working person with very irregular
hours, a mailman who came to the door, all the different scents and
noises...I went so far as to replace the furnace and a/c before she
came so she would not have to tolerate that.  I slept on the floor for three
months working with her and trying to get her to come out.  The Feliway let
her relax enough that she started coming out when I was asleep and things
worked out from there.

The price has really come down.  I don't know if you have checked lately
but, compared with what I originally paid for it, it is dirt cheap.  It
makes you smell like a cat and provides comfort to the little ones.






 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis

- Original Message -
*From:* Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:56 PM
*Subject:* Re: Birds, also, feliway


Well, he has actually gotten much better, it kinda comes & goes..

Isn't it funny how the house ferals will run from  you when you walk
towards them, but you can sneak into your bedroom and they are asleep on
your pillow, or rolling around on your dirty clothes that you tossed on the
floor?

(Yes, folks, I am a slob)...

It's like they REALLY want to be petted & loved, but it's s
scary.  :(

As for Feliway, I have had heard lots about it, and I know folks who use
it, but they cannot actually tell me if it works or not.

What do you think?

Does it work for you?

I have considered it, but it's pretty pricey and I always think "heck,
that's a cat spay" or whatever.

But if I knew it would work, I certainly would pony up the money

Let me know your thoughts, folks...


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com <http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/>
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org <http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/>
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent





- Original Message -
*From:* Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:43 PM
*Subject:* Re: Birds


No (that is too dear to take away) but it should help with the
skittishness.  It makes you smell like a cat (or so the theory goes).  It
really helped wi

Re: Birds, also, feliway....and Rescue Remedy

[laurieskatz]

I have had better luck with RR than with feliwayI have six cats.
Laurie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:14 PM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  It has to be their idea.  I have had some wonderful ferals but they are not 
house cats as we normally think about them.  They are very self sufficient and, 
when they decide to give you any sign of affection, much less kitten kisses or 
purrs, you know it is genuine.

  I have used Feliway and am convinced that it works get.  And it has worked 
with several cats.  My regular vets use it in the cat area of their clinic. I 
really don't believe I would ever have persuaded the Royal Princess Kitty Katt 
to come out without Feliway.  She chose to move in with my parents and was my 
father's cat until he left this world.  Then her whole world turned on end and 
she became my mother's cat (same house just a different person as 1st person).  
I was the one who always caught her and clipped her nails, gave her meds, took 
her to the vet's etc when I came in from Louisville.  Finally Mom decided she 
couldn't take care of Kitty and that she should live with me.  This was no 
where in Kitty's plans and, in fact, was Kitty's version of hell.  She lost her 
job (taking care of Mom), lost her nice quiet house in the country with 
electric heat and a stay at home person to live in the city with forced air gas 
heat, a working person with very irregular hours, a mailman who came to the 
door, all the different scents and noises...I went so far as to replace 
the furnace and a/c before she came so she would not have to tolerate that.  I 
slept on the floor for three months working with her and trying to get her to 
come out.  The Feliway let her relax enough that she started coming out when I 
was asleep and things worked out from there.  

  The price has really come down.  I don't know if you have checked lately but, 
compared with what I originally paid for it, it is dirt cheap.  It makes you 
smell like a cat and provides comfort to the little ones.






   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Susan Dubose 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


Well, he has actually gotten much better, it kinda comes & goes..

Isn't it funny how the house ferals will run from  you when you walk 
towards them, but you can sneak into your bedroom and they are asleep on your 
pillow, or rolling around on your dirty clothes that you tossed on the floor?

(Yes, folks, I am a slob)...

It's like they REALLY want to be petted & loved, but it's s 
scary.  :(

As for Feliway, I have had heard lots about it, and I know folks who use 
it, but they cannot actually tell me if it works or not.

What do you think?

Does it work for you?

I have considered it, but it's pretty pricey and I always think "heck, 
that's a cat spay" or whatever.

But if I knew it would work, I certainly would pony up the money

Let me know your thoughts, folks...

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:43 PM
  Subject: Re: Birds


  No (that is too dear to take away) but it should help with the 
skittishness.  It makes you smell like a cat (or so the theory goes).  It 
really helped with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt (rehomed from my Mom's).  It 
certainly helped establish a "safe area" with her.not the awful smell 
of the terrible person who catnapped her from her chosen person.






   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   wil

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

[Marylyn]

Dixie and I travel quite a bit so bottled water is almost a must for her.  I 
want to get a purifier put in here but things take time.  

My vet says Sevin around Mom's home will stop fleas and won't do damage to 
cats.  This might work in areas for you in addition to what you are doing.  
Fleas can cause lots of problems.  They came in with lumber here and caused hot 
spots on Dixie that got infected etc..Big mess.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:51 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  Great idea on the litter, I will try it.

  I am trying to "green" my household also, I just ordered a new book called, 
"100 Things you can do to be green".

  I am doing flea treatments on my 12 felv+ fosters, they came to me w/ fleas 
and I want to do 2 to 3 months of treatment.

  They also live in another building on the property, it is the size of a one 
car garage, only wider, and it has 2 "walkin pens" that separate the groups of 
6 cats.

  They have perches, windows (screened), fans, but no a/c so I leave the front 
door open during the day, which is screened also.

  It is supposed to be my iso / temp holding quarters, which it is for @ least 
another 2 months.

  I have "yard ferals" that I have relocated, and they need treatment as well 
and their fleas *could* end up in the house enclosure.

  It is screened w/ pet screen and topped off w/ wire, so, just trying to be 
careful.

  I haven't done a flea treatment on my personal cats for about 2 years, and I 
have been witnessing a bit of scratching lately, so it's time.

  I really meant to treat everyone as they moved to the new place, but time got 
away form me.

  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
   Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: Marylyn 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


I haven't tried that one but a holistic vet recommends Cat Nap by Aromacat. 
 I have friends who have had lots of luck with it.  I have a bottle but haven't 
used it enough to make a call for me and my circumstances.  Dixie is such a 
totally cool catwhen she gets upset there is a reason that needs to be 
dealt with.

I mix her Arm and Hammer litter with silica crystals myself.  Most of the 
mixtures don't have enough of the crystals to suit me and most have the blue 
disinfectant crystals.  Too many people in the alternative area have told me 
they are poison and it makes sense.  Most disinfectants/anti-bacterial things 
are.  I just don't want her around them.  I am building (still, after three 
years and.) am doing everything I can to use 
non-toxic/non-outgassing materials.  I just don't want the stuff around us.  

I love the blackboard idea.  I'll try it.  

If the cats are indoor why are you doing flea treatments? 






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

[Susan Dubose]

Great idea on the litter, I will try it.

I am trying to "green" my household also, I just ordered a new book called, 
"100 Things you can do to be green".

I am doing flea treatments on my 12 felv+ fosters, they came to me w/ fleas and 
I want to do 2 to 3 months of treatment.

They also live in another building on the property, it is the size of a one car 
garage, only wider, and it has 2 "walkin pens" that separate the groups of 6 
cats.

They have perches, windows (screened), fans, but no a/c so I leave the front 
door open during the day, which is screened also.

It is supposed to be my iso / temp holding quarters, which it is for @ least 
another 2 months.

I have "yard ferals" that I have relocated, and they need treatment as well and 
their fleas *could* end up in the house enclosure.

It is screened w/ pet screen and topped off w/ wire, so, just trying to be 
careful.

I haven't done a flea treatment on my personal cats for about 2 years, and I 
have been witnessing a bit of scratching lately, so it's time.

I really meant to treat everyone as they moved to the new place, but time got 
away form me.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:13 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  I haven't tried that one but a holistic vet recommends Cat Nap by Aromacat.  
I have friends who have had lots of luck with it.  I have a bottle but haven't 
used it enough to make a call for me and my circumstances.  Dixie is such a 
totally cool catwhen she gets upset there is a reason that needs to be 
dealt with.

  I mix her Arm and Hammer litter with silica crystals myself.  Most of the 
mixtures don't have enough of the crystals to suit me and most have the blue 
disinfectant crystals.  Too many people in the alternative area have told me 
they are poison and it makes sense.  Most disinfectants/anti-bacterial things 
are.  I just don't want her around them.  I am building (still, after three 
years and.) am doing everything I can to use 
non-toxic/non-outgassing materials.  I just don't want the stuff around us.  

  I love the blackboard idea.  I'll try it.  

  If the cats are indoor why are you doing flea treatments? 






   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

[Marylyn]

PS:  If you or anyone reading this decides to chop veggies for the cats:

There are very fine strainers that fit in the sink that will catch the little 
pieces of food.  They will save your plumbing if you don't have a garbage 
disposal.  They are designed to catch hair and only cost a couple of dollars.   






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:55 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  Also, my vet always recommends the "Cat Attaract', which I tried on Serenity.

  Didn't really work.

  Pretty pricey stuff, too.

  Have you ever used this product?

  Any feedback?

  (Sorry, hope I am not picking your brain dry...  :)

  I forgot to mention that the felv+ cats have 2 litterboxes, big Petsmart 
brand, where they have clay / w/ some crystals.

  Everyone in there is happy as a clam.

  I also have a dry erase board in the cat room where I monitor litterbox 
changing, med schedules (once again, some cats are on a "rotation" of meds), 
food bowls, Drinkwells, flea treatments.etc...

  I do this so I know when I need to change the boxes.

  They get dumped and washed w/ Simple Green.

  Felv+ boxes are ONLY used for felv+ cats, that's why they have a different 
"type" of box, for visibility.

  Same w/ their Drinkwell, even though it goes through the dishwasher.

  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
   Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: Marylyn 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
    Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


Re litter box issues:  

Make sure you are using unscented litter without the blue pellets.  My 
cats, Dixie and those who have left, will not tolerate the perfumed kind.  This 
is logical if you are a very few inches from the litter, kicking it etc.  The 
blue things contain germicides that, as one company says, causes no trouble 
most of the timeI don't deal with most of the time.

Try using Rubbermaid or knock offs boxes without lids.  They give more room 
(important for ferals particularly--they are vulnerable when and don't like to 
feel closed in/trapped) and have high enough backs that a cat who has trouble 
(for any reason including "I just don't want to") can urinate without getting 
it all over the place (I learned this when Ebony was getting older and had a 
physical problem that made getting down difficult).  

Yes, the Feliway may help.  It was designed for "pee-problems."  





 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

[Marylyn]

I haven't tried that one but a holistic vet recommends Cat Nap by Aromacat.  I 
have friends who have had lots of luck with it.  I have a bottle but haven't 
used it enough to make a call for me and my circumstances.  Dixie is such a 
totally cool catwhen she gets upset there is a reason that needs to be 
dealt with.

I mix her Arm and Hammer litter with silica crystals myself.  Most of the 
mixtures don't have enough of the crystals to suit me and most have the blue 
disinfectant crystals.  Too many people in the alternative area have told me 
they are poison and it makes sense.  Most disinfectants/anti-bacterial things 
are.  I just don't want her around them.  I am building (still, after three 
years and.) am doing everything I can to use 
non-toxic/non-outgassing materials.  I just don't want the stuff around us.  

I love the blackboard idea.  I'll try it.  

If the cats are indoor why are you doing flea treatments? 






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:55 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  Also, my vet always recommends the "Cat Attaract', which I tried on Serenity.

  Didn't really work.

  Pretty pricey stuff, too.

  Have you ever used this product?

  Any feedback?

  (Sorry, hope I am not picking your brain dry...  :)

  I forgot to mention that the felv+ cats have 2 litterboxes, big Petsmart 
brand, where they have clay / w/ some crystals.

  Everyone in there is happy as a clam.

  I also have a dry erase board in the cat room where I monitor litterbox 
changing, med schedules (once again, some cats are on a "rotation" of meds), 
food bowls, Drinkwells, flea treatments.etc...

  I do this so I know when I need to change the boxes.

  They get dumped and washed w/ Simple Green.

  Felv+ boxes are ONLY used for felv+ cats, that's why they have a different 
"type" of box, for visibility.

  Same w/ their Drinkwell, even though it goes through the dishwasher.

  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
   Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: Marylyn 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


Re litter box issues:  

Make sure you are using unscented litter without the blue pellets.  My 
cats, Dixie and those who have left, will not tolerate the perfumed kind.  This 
is logical if you are a very few inches from the litter, kicking it etc.  The 
blue things contain germicides that, as one company says, causes no trouble 
most of the timeI don't deal with most of the time.

Try using Rubbermaid or knock offs boxes without lids.  They give more room 
(important for ferals particularly--they are vulnerable when and don't like to 
feel closed in/trapped) and have high enough backs that a cat who has trouble 
(for any reason including "I just don't want to") can urinate without getting 
it all over the place (I learned this when Ebony was getting older and had a 
physical problem that made getting down difficult).  

Yes, the Feliway may help.  It was designed for "pee-problems."  





 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

[Susan Dubose]

Also, my vet always recommends the "Cat Attaract', which I tried on Serenity.

Didn't really work.

Pretty pricey stuff, too.

Have you ever used this product?

Any feedback?

(Sorry, hope I am not picking your brain dry...  :)

I forgot to mention that the felv+ cats have 2 litterboxes, big Petsmart brand, 
where they have clay / w/ some crystals.

Everyone in there is happy as a clam.

I also have a dry erase board in the cat room where I monitor litterbox 
changing, med schedules (once again, some cats are on a "rotation" of meds), 
food bowls, Drinkwells, flea treatments.etc...

I do this so I know when I need to change the boxes.

They get dumped and washed w/ Simple Green.

Felv+ boxes are ONLY used for felv+ cats, that's why they have a different 
"type" of box, for visibility.

Same w/ their Drinkwell, even though it goes through the dishwasher.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:25 PM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  Re litter box issues:  

  Make sure you are using unscented litter without the blue pellets.  My cats, 
Dixie and those who have left, will not tolerate the perfumed kind.  This is 
logical if you are a very few inches from the litter, kicking it etc.  The blue 
things contain germicides that, as one company says, causes no trouble most of 
the timeI don't deal with most of the time.

  Try using Rubbermaid or knock offs boxes without lids.  They give more room 
(important for ferals particularly--they are vulnerable when and don't like to 
feel closed in/trapped) and have high enough backs that a cat who has trouble 
(for any reason including "I just don't want to") can urinate without getting 
it all over the place (I learned this when Ebony was getting older and had a 
physical problem that made getting down difficult).  

  Yes, the Feliway may help.  It was designed for "pee-problems."  





   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. Francis

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

[Susan Dubose]

In my old house (2 months back) I only had "covered" litterboxes w/ clumpable 
litter.

In the new place, I have 4 of the HUGE blue "tote" types from Lowes, that are 
transparent, w/ Yesterday's mews.
3 of the HUGE clear ones w/ clay mixed w/ crystals,
and one "low rider" that is pretty big w/ the same mix.

This is in the enclosure area.

In "their" room, I have 3 covered boxes w/ clumpable and one in the "their" 
bathroom w/ clay plus crystals.

I did this so they would have a few choices.

Litterbox behavior has gotten much better, but there are few, like Pugsley, 
that enjoy peeing on things and 2 that poop right in front of the boxes in the 
cat room.

One is my 15 year old, who use to ALWAYS have very good litterbox habits.

I have the lower litterbox in the enclosure for a fairly recently acquired cat 
that has no back legs, which, at this point, I never see.

He's a hider, was in his former house.


He was abandoned @ the area Humane Society as a tiny kitten, and went home for 
fostering w/ one of the staff.

He caught URI, had to be medicated, and apparently that made him fearful and he 
wasn't the same friendly, sweet kitten that he was originally.

He pretty much lived under her bed, pooping under there too.

She would see him occasionally but only @ night.

She has very long work hours, and is also in a band that tours, so, not much 
time to try and change his behavior.

I took his as a favor to her & probably to him, as well.

At least at my house he can have more room and have exposure to the outside in 
the enclosure.

(I really think that the access to fgresh air has really helped my cats all 
around health, especially the chronic ones).

I didn't care about the litterbox thing, whether he used it or not, my 
enclosure is stained concrete w/ a "high" gloss finish, the cat room & bathroom 
is tile and hardwood in the masterbedroom.

These are the cat areas.

Livingroom is no cat zone as well as kitchen.

(I had a "stove peer" @ the old house, and they actually set my kitchen on fire 
twice. Another long story).

Anyway, "Hobbs" was born w/ only "stubbs" for backlegs, very sad.

But he can REALLY haul kitty butt when he wants to.

He also loves other cats, he is a "cat's cat", if you know what I mean.


As far as litterboxes, I would prefer no clumpable, I think it's a bad idea, 
but the cats seem to really prefer it over anything else

They will have to be weaned, I guess.

I will try this Feliway, maybe it will be the answer to my "cleaning 
prayers"..

Hey, a girl ( a "kitty girl" ) can dream.  :)


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
         Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:25 PM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  Re litter box issues:  

  Make sure you are using unscented litter without the blue pellets.  My cats, 
Dixie and those who have left, will not tolerate the perfumed kind.  This is 
logical if you are a very few inches from the litter, kicking it etc.  The blue 
things contain germicides that, as one company says, causes no trouble most of 
the timeI don't deal with most of the time.

  Try using Rubbermaid or knock offs boxes without lids.  They give more room 
(important for ferals particularly--they are vulnerable when and don't like to 
feel closed in/trapped) and have high enough backs that a cat who has trouble 
(for any reason including "I just don't want to") can urinate without getting 
it all over the place (I learned this when Ebony was getting older and had a 
physical problem that made getting down difficult).  

  Yes, the Feliway may help.  It was designed for "pee-problems."  





   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. Francis

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

[Susan Dubose]

Hmm, that's some really good info.

I have been told by a behaviorist that dogs think of thier owners as "pack 
leaders", cats think of them as their "mother".

Would explain how they really can bond w/ one person.

I have cats that are just Jonathans, and cats that are primarily mine.


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:14 PM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  It has to be their idea.  I have had some wonderful ferals but they are not 
house cats as we normally think about them.  They are very self sufficient and, 
when they decide to give you any sign of affection, much less kitten kisses or 
purrs, you know it is genuine.

  I have used Feliway and am convinced that it works get.  And it has worked 
with several cats.  My regular vets use it in the cat area of their clinic. I 
really don't believe I would ever have persuaded the Royal Princess Kitty Katt 
to come out without Feliway.  She chose to move in with my parents and was my 
father's cat until he left this world.  Then her whole world turned on end and 
she became my mother's cat (same house just a different person as 1st person).  
I was the one who always caught her and clipped her nails, gave her meds, took 
her to the vet's etc when I came in from Louisville.  Finally Mom decided she 
couldn't take care of Kitty and that she should live with me.  This was no 
where in Kitty's plans and, in fact, was Kitty's version of hell.  She lost her 
job (taking care of Mom), lost her nice quiet house in the country with 
electric heat and a stay at home person to live in the city with forced air gas 
heat, a working person with very irregular hours, a mailman who came to the 
door, all the different scents and noises...I went so far as to replace 
the furnace and a/c before she came so she would not have to tolerate that.  I 
slept on the floor for three months working with her and trying to get her to 
come out.  The Feliway let her relax enough that she started coming out when I 
was asleep and things worked out from there.  

  The price has really come down.  I don't know if you have checked lately but, 
compared with what I originally paid for it, it is dirt cheap.  It makes you 
smell like a cat and provides comfort to the little ones.






   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. Francis

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

[Marylyn]

Re litter box issues:  

Make sure you are using unscented litter without the blue pellets.  My cats, 
Dixie and those who have left, will not tolerate the perfumed kind.  This is 
logical if you are a very few inches from the litter, kicking it etc.  The blue 
things contain germicides that, as one company says, causes no trouble most of 
the timeI don't deal with most of the time.

Try using Rubbermaid or knock offs boxes without lids.  They give more room 
(important for ferals particularly--they are vulnerable when and don't like to 
feel closed in/trapped) and have high enough backs that a cat who has trouble 
(for any reason including "I just don't want to") can urinate without getting 
it all over the place (I learned this when Ebony was getting older and had a 
physical problem that made getting down difficult).  

Yes, the Feliway may help.  It was designed for "pee-problems."  





 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 8:05 PM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  H, then I shall try it.

  Maybe my little "bedwetter", Pugsley, will stop peeing on the cat beds

  Also all of the cats from this particuliar seizure have litterbox issues.

  Not Lola or Ursula, but Serenity did and a litter of kittens that tested 
felv+.

  They have already crossed over  :(
  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
   Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: elizabeth trent 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


It's helped with Shakiti (aka 'magic marker')...he was very, very feral but 
loves his mama :0)  I can hold him like a little baby and he will just drool on 
my shoulder but it took months to be able to even pet him.  With this being a 
multi-cat household (7) we have some sibling rivalry issues.  The Feliway helps 
keep everyone calm and happy.  It's helped with some skiddishness too -- I have 
4 who ever quite feral at one time.  I've had better luck with the spray than 
with the diffusers.  

(by the way -- there are wonderful piles of clothes to roll in here too :0)

elizabeth in alabama

 

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

[Marylyn]

It has to be their idea.  I have had some wonderful ferals but they are not 
house cats as we normally think about them.  They are very self sufficient and, 
when they decide to give you any sign of affection, much less kitten kisses or 
purrs, you know it is genuine.

I have used Feliway and am convinced that it works get.  And it has worked with 
several cats.  My regular vets use it in the cat area of their clinic. I really 
don't believe I would ever have persuaded the Royal Princess Kitty Katt to come 
out without Feliway.  She chose to move in with my parents and was my father's 
cat until he left this world.  Then her whole world turned on end and she 
became my mother's cat (same house just a different person as 1st person).  I 
was the one who always caught her and clipped her nails, gave her meds, took 
her to the vet's etc when I came in from Louisville.  Finally Mom decided she 
couldn't take care of Kitty and that she should live with me.  This was no 
where in Kitty's plans and, in fact, was Kitty's version of hell.  She lost her 
job (taking care of Mom), lost her nice quiet house in the country with 
electric heat and a stay at home person to live in the city with forced air gas 
heat, a working person with very irregular hours, a mailman who came to the 
door, all the different scents and noises...I went so far as to replace 
the furnace and a/c before she came so she would not have to tolerate that.  I 
slept on the floor for three months working with her and trying to get her to 
come out.  The Feliway let her relax enough that she started coming out when I 
was asleep and things worked out from there.  

The price has really come down.  I don't know if you have checked lately but, 
compared with what I originally paid for it, it is dirt cheap.  It makes you 
smell like a cat and provides comfort to the little ones.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:56 PM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  Well, he has actually gotten much better, it kinda comes & goes..

  Isn't it funny how the house ferals will run from  you when you walk towards 
them, but you can sneak into your bedroom and they are asleep on your pillow, 
or rolling around on your dirty clothes that you tossed on the floor?

  (Yes, folks, I am a slob)...

  It's like they REALLY want to be petted & loved, but it's s 
scary.  :(

  As for Feliway, I have had heard lots about it, and I know folks who use it, 
but they cannot actually tell me if it works or not.

  What do you think?

  Does it work for you?

  I have considered it, but it's pretty pricey and I always think "heck, that's 
a cat spay" or whatever.

  But if I knew it would work, I certainly would pony up the money

  Let me know your thoughts, folks...

  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
   Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: Marylyn 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: Birds


No (that is too dear to take away) but it should help with the 
skittishness.  It makes you smell like a cat (or so the theory goes).  It 
really helped with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt (rehomed from my Mom's).  It 
certainly helped establish a "safe area" with her.not the awful smell 
of the terrible person who catnapped her from her chosen person.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose 

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

[Susan Dubose]

H, then I shall try it.

Maybe my little "bedwetter", Pugsley, will stop peeing on the cat beds

Also all of the cats from this particuliar seizure have litterbox issues.

Not Lola or Ursula, but Serenity did and a litter of kittens that tested felv+.

They have already crossed over  :(
Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: elizabeth trent 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:35 PM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  It's helped with Shakiti (aka 'magic marker')...he was very, very feral but 
loves his mama :0)  I can hold him like a little baby and he will just drool on 
my shoulder but it took months to be able to even pet him.  With this being a 
multi-cat household (7) we have some sibling rivalry issues.  The Feliway helps 
keep everyone calm and happy.  It's helped with some skiddishness too -- I have 
4 who ever quite feral at one time.  I've had better luck with the spray than 
with the diffusers.  

  (by the way -- there are wonderful piles of clothes to roll in here too :0)

  elizabeth in alabama

   

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

[elizabeth trent]

It's helped with Shakiti (aka 'magic marker')...he was very, very feral but
loves his mama :0)  I can hold him like a little baby and he will just drool
on my shoulder but it took months to be able to even pet him.  With this
being a multi-cat household (7) we have some sibling rivalry issues.  The
Feliway helps keep everyone calm and happy.  It's helped with some
skiddishness too -- I have 4 who ever quite feral at one time.  I've had
better luck with the spray than with the diffusers.

(by the way -- there are wonderful piles of clothes to roll in here too :0)

elizabeth in alabama


On 6/30/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Well, he has actually gotten much better, it kinda comes & goes..

Isn't it funny how the house ferals will run from  you when you walk
towards them, but you can sneak into your bedroom and they are asleep on
your pillow, or rolling around on your dirty clothes that you tossed on the
floor?

(Yes, folks, I am a slob)...

It's like they REALLY want to be petted & loved, but it's s
scary.  :(

As for Feliway, I have had heard lots about it, and I know folks who use
it, but they cannot actually tell me if it works or not.

What do you think?

Does it work for you?

I have considered it, but it's pretty pricey and I always think "heck,
that's a cat spay" or whatever.

But if I knew it would work, I certainly would pony up the money

Let me know your thoughts, folks...

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com 
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org 
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent





- Original Message -
*From:* Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:43 PM
*Subject:* Re: Birds


No (that is too dear to take away) but it should help with the
skittishness.  It makes you smell like a cat (or so the theory goes).  It
really helped with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt (rehomed from my Mom's).
It certainly helped establish a "safe area" with her.not the awful
smell of the terrible person who catnapped her from her chosen person.






 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis

- Original Message -
*From:* Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

[Susan Dubose]

Well, he has actually gotten much better, it kinda comes & goes..

Isn't it funny how the house ferals will run from  you when you walk towards 
them, but you can sneak into your bedroom and they are asleep on your pillow, 
or rolling around on your dirty clothes that you tossed on the floor?

(Yes, folks, I am a slob)...

It's like they REALLY want to be petted & loved, but it's s scary.  
:(

As for Feliway, I have had heard lots about it, and I know folks who use it, 
but they cannot actually tell me if it works or not.

What do you think?

Does it work for you?

I have considered it, but it's pretty pricey and I always think "heck, that's a 
cat spay" or whatever.

But if I knew it would work, I certainly would pony up the money

Let me know your thoughts, folks...

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:43 PM
  Subject: Re: Birds


  No (that is too dear to take away) but it should help with the skittishness.  
It makes you smell like a cat (or so the theory goes).  It really helped with 
the Royal Princess Kitty Katt (rehomed from my Mom's).  It certainly helped 
establish a "safe area" with her.not the awful smell of the terrible 
person who catnapped her from her chosen person.






   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Susan Dubose