date:20051031





Using homeopathics is such an individual thing. Hideyo has had great
success with Sulphur and it didn't help Gypsy at all. Patti wrote
about using BioPlasma, (a combination of 12 cell salt remedies), that
helps with nutrient absorption, Gypsy does seem to respond favorably to
that. We've had her on so many different things trying to narrow it
down, but I think what she did best on was a combination of Phosphorus,
Arsenicum Album, and China, (also called Cinchona Officinalis). I
would strongly suggest consulting with Darla http://www.kitsnk9s.com/Kitsnk9sHome.htm
for more specific remedies that might help Ginger. She has you
fill out an extensive questionnaire to determine your animal's physical
and emotional profile and what might best help them.

I'm afraid I spoke too soon about Gypsy's diarrhea resolving. There
was liquid stool in the litterbox this morning, so we've had another
setback. There are so many darn variables it's hard to tell what
causes her to improve and what is detrimental. She is, however, so
very much improved overall. Something is working. I was at the point
of considering pts, and now I wouldn't dream of it. Let us know what
you decide to do for Ginger and certainly let me know if anything you
try seems to help.
Nina



Nina,
 She has been off the antibiotics for days now. Which
homeopathic remedies do you feel helped Gypsy? 
Thanks,
Michelle

Re: Question on diarrhea (homeopathics)





Oops, sorry, we're talking about Lucy, not Ginger! :)
N

Nina wrote:

  
  
Using homeopathics is such an individual thing. Hideyo has had great
success with Sulphur and it didn't help Gypsy at all. Patti wrote
about using BioPlasma, (a combination of 12 cell salt remedies), that
helps with nutrient absorption, Gypsy does seem to respond favorably to
that. We've had her on so many different things trying to narrow it
down, but I think what she did best on was a combination of Phosphorus,
Arsenicum Album, and China, (also called Cinchona Officinalis). I
would strongly suggest consulting with Darla http://www.kitsnk9s.com/Kitsnk9sHome.htm
  for more specific remedies that might help Ginger. She has you
fill out an extensive questionnaire to determine your animal's physical
and emotional profile and what might best help them.
  
I'm afraid I spoke too soon about Gypsy's diarrhea resolving. There
was liquid stool in the litterbox this morning, so we've had another
setback. There are so many darn variables it's hard to tell what
causes her to improve and what is detrimental. She is, however, so
very much improved overall. Something is working. I was at the point
of considering pts, and now I wouldn't dream of it. Let us know what
you decide to do for Ginger and certainly let me know if anything you
try seems to help.
Nina
  
  
  
  Nina,
   She has been off the antibiotics for days now. Which
homeopathic remedies do you feel helped Gypsy? 
  Thanks,
  Michelle

Re: Question on diarrhea (homeopathics)

2005-10-31 Thread Lernermichelle





I have bone meal and can try it with Lucy, though I am wary of it because 
her calcium levels were high two blood tests ago (but normal last blood 
test). Her diarrhea started a week ago after sudden diet change and 
antibiotics, so it is probably different than Gypsy's problems, but maybe the 
bone meal would help her get over it.
Thanks,
Michelle

In a message dated 10/31/2005 10:00:40 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gypsy 
  just used the litterbox behind me in the bathroom. I heard the tell 
  tale sound of diarrhea, and figured it must be bad news. When I went 
  to check, there was some formed, some liquid. It may have to do with 
  the bone meal, that seems to be the single variable that is making a 
  difference. Of course, we both know I can be wrong! I did 
  remember, just now, that the raw diet that I credit with saving Gypsy's 
  life, (duck muscle meat and salmon), stopped her constant "drippy faucet", 
  but it wasn't until I started her on barf, (grinding the duck with bones, 
  organ meat, and sups), that she started to have firmed 
stools.N

OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens









Hi, I noticed that there are some bald spots and flakey
inside of ear on all of my four kittens and the mamas nose as welland
I think they are ringworm  though they still have URIs that come and go
and cant get rid of (over several weeks now) for some reasons.



Any suggestions on treatment? How worried should I be?

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




Cats that have had URI often bust out in ringworm...welcome to my world.Its 
from the lowered immune system. I use blue start ointment and it never 
fails you can get it in any pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I take them to the 
vet and he gives them a liquiddon't know what it is though works every time. 

its contagious to humans and to other animals so careful when handling 
them.
BTW the interferon on my URI negative kittens has made all the difference 
in the world.

RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens









Thanks. These kittens are FeLV negative 
but is it still common? Let me make sure that I understood what you said - is
your kitty with ringworm Felv negative, too? but has URI and interferon helped
her?











From:
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Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005
11:16 AM
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Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm
in kittens







Cats that have had URI often bust out in
ringworm...welcome to my world.Its from the lowered immune system. I use
blue start ointment and it never fails you can get it in any pharmacy. Or in
real bad cases I take them to the vet and he gives them a liquiddon't know
what it is though works every time. 





its contagious to humans and to other
animals so careful when handling them.





BTW the interferon on my URI negative
kittens has made all the difference in the world.

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens





Hideyo,
Oh man, let's hope your guys don't have ringworm. I've never had to
deal with it myself, but it sounds like a real nightmare! I'll send
you my compiled notes on treatment for it off-list. Does anyone know
how to confirm diagnosis w/o taking a kitty to the vet?
N

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  Cats that have had URI often bust out in ringworm...welcome to
my world.Its from the lowered immune system. I use blue start ointment
and it never fails you can get it in any pharmacy. Or in real bad cases
I take them to the vet and he gives them a liquiddon't know what it
is though works every time. 
  its contagious to humans and to other animals so careful when
handling them.
  BTW the interferon on my URI negative kittens has made all the
difference in the world.

RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens









Really? Why is it such a nightmare? Is it
because its contagious and hard to get rid of? It wont kill them
or make them really sick, will they? Someone told me that I should get a black
light to confirm it.











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005
11:28 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm
in kittens





Hideyo,
Oh man, let's hope your guys don't have ringworm. I've never had to deal
with it myself, but it sounds like a real nightmare! I'll send you my
compiled notes on treatment for it off-list. Does anyone know how to
confirm diagnosis w/o taking a kitty to the vet?
N

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





Cats that have had URI often bust
out in ringworm...welcome to my world.Its from the lowered immune system.
I use blue start ointment and it never fails you can get it in any
pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I take them to the vet and he gives them a
liquiddon't know what it is though works every time. 





its contagious to humans and to other animals so
careful when handling them.





BTW the interferon on my URI negative kittens has
made all the difference in the world.

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




Yes,
I do rescue. And any cat or dog that has lowered immune system can bust out 
in ringworm.
Yes its now a practice here that any cat or kitten neg or positive gets 
interferon with URI. I have viral URI going around in all the pounds. And I darn 
near lost a mom with 4 week olds but the interferon and support therapy is 
pulling them through. Try it it works

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




Yeah use a black light..that's how you can tell for 
sure.

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




No ringworm wont make them any sicker its just a pain to get rid of and it 
could take a couple of months for the hair to grow 
back

RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens









What I am really concerned is that what
caused to have such a lower immune system among my kitties 

Do you use alpha interferon?.. any side
effects on interferon?











From:
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Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005
11:32 AM
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Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm
in kittens







Yes,





I do rescue. And any cat or dog that has
lowered immune system can bust out in ringworm.





Yes its now a practice here that any cat
or kitten neg or positive gets interferon with URI. I have viral URI going
around in all the pounds. And I darn near lost a mom with 4 week olds but the
interferon and support therapy is pulling them through. Try it it works

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




Some times kittens getting over ringworm dont make adoption for a long time 
cause its unsighly...we just wait till the fur grows completely back

see our 
available orphans at:http://members.petfinder.org/~TX418/index.htmlKaren 
817-453-4888

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




The URI and probably stress caused the low immune system. Yes I use Alpha 
he mixes it for adults and then for kittens I have never had any side effects 
with Negatives or positives.
I am positive it is what is making the difference here.
They seem to bounce back faster and better. 
see our 
available orphans at:http://members.petfinder.org/~TX418/index.htmlKaren 
817-453-4888

RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens









I need prescription to get interferon,
right?











From:
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On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005
11:37 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm
in kittens







The URI and probably stress caused the
low immune system. Yes I use Alpha he mixes it for adults and then for kittens
I have never had any side effects with Negatives or positives.





I am positive it is what is making the
difference here.





They seem to bounce back faster and
better. 



see our
available orphans at:
http://members.petfinder.org/~TX418/index.html
Karen 817-453-4888

RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens









Where do I get a black light? Do they
have it at Walgreen or something?











From:
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Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005
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Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm
in kittens







Yeah use a black light..that's how
you can tell for sure.

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




I got mine at walmart.

Ringworm

2005-10-31 Thread Lomaxturtle




Children are more suseptible than adults but if you have dryer sking then 
you are more likely to catch it. I caught it when Bramble had it. You can apply 
iodiene on the ringworm areas to help the fungal spores from spreading - Bramble 
used to like the iodiene as it is kept in the fridge so must be soothing 
too.

Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy  Angel Bramble

Re: Ringworm




I have had cats sleep in bed with me and never caught it. My oldest 
daughter 22 years old we use as the ringworm tester if she is in the same room 
she catches it !

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

Did you try the black light method? If you take them into a dark area and shine the black light on it if it glows greenish it is definately ringworm.but be careful sometimes ringworm does not glow green.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





Hi, I noticed that there are some bald spots and flakey inside of ear on all of my four kittens and the mamas nose as welland I think they are ringworm  though they still have URIs that come and go and cant get rid of (over several weeks now) for some reasons.

Any suggestions on treatment? How worried should I be? Have a purrfect day
Cherie

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

My most recent kitten Mystery had ringworm, without my knowledge and I brought her in my house of 10 cats, 1 dog and my sonmy FeLV+ cat is the only one that caught it and of course I did also...it is really bad, I used an antibactial spray three days on and 1 day off for 3 weeks and that helped, with me I took Difulcan and used rubbing alcohol on the wounds, it was not fun ;-([EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Cats that have had URI often bust out in ringworm...welcome to my world.Its from the lowered immune system. I use blue start ointment and it never fails you can get it in any pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I take them to the vet and he gives them a liquiddon't know what it is though works every time. 
its contagious to humans and to other animals so careful when handling them.
BTW the interferon on my URI negative kittens has made all the difference in the world. Have a purrfect day
Cherie

Re: Ringworm

Luckily my son has still not gotten it ;-))[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Children are more suseptible than adults but if you have dryer sking then you are more likely to catch it. I caught it when Bramble had it. You can apply iodiene on the ringworm areas to help the fungal spores from spreading - Bramble used to like the iodiene as it is kept in the fridge so must be soothing too.

Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy  Angel BrambleHave a purrfect day
Cherie

Re: Ringworm

I can sort of pin point how I got it and it was from a scratch.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Children are more suseptible than adults but if you have dryer sking then you are more likely to catch it. I caught it when Bramble had it. You can apply iodiene on the ringworm areas to help the fungal spores from spreading - Bramble used to like the iodiene as it is kept in the fridge so must be soothing too.

Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy  Angel BrambleHave a purrfect day
Cherie

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




I sure hope you don't have the RW :( This is 
not fun but I knew we'd have it eventually since I do a little rescue and have a 
herd of cats. Little Ms Purrsy brought it with her and was diagnosed 
early-mid August ... I was so very careful handling her, isolated her 
immediately in her condo and it still moved into the big house and what a 
hassle. The cats are on Griseofulvin (except the two FIV+ who take 
Itraconazole) and topical Lotrimin liquid. I can't say that either 
works. Some cats healed, some still broke out but very slow improvement, 
some with new outbreaks after being on the oral for over three weeks. 
Frustrating. Reading all the cleaning required, sorry, I don't 
have time enough in my day to do all of what should be done, not even 
close,and I am retired.Maybe we will have it forever. 
.Maybe $500 already. And the UV light ... not all RW will 
flouresce even with the doc's expensive Wood light. Some RWshows up 
as fur loss, some with crud, some sores, some itch others do not. How many 
times can I use the word frustrating? May I add that I do not 
regret having my cats nor taking this little rescue who brought the RW even if 
we never get rid of it. If no one has already given it, there is a RW 
yahoo group and I'll fwd it. There is a gel suggested that is supposed to 
work wonderful and I am about to order some of it.

Del

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:30 
  PM
  Subject: RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
  
  
  Really? Why is 
  it such a nightmare? Is it because its contagious and hard to get rid 
  of? It wont kill them or make them really sick, will they? 
  Someone told me that I should get a black light to confirm 
  it.
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:28 
  AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
  
  Hideyo,Oh man, let's hope your guys don't have 
  ringworm. I've never had to deal with it myself, but it sounds like a 
  real nightmare! I'll send you my compiled notes on treatment for it 
  off-list. Does anyone know how to confirm diagnosis w/o taking a kitty 
  to the vet?N[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
  Cats that have had URI often bust 
  out in ringworm...welcome to my world.Its from the lowered immune system. 
  I use blue start ointment and it never fails you can get it in any 
  pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I take them to the vet and he gives them a 
  liquiddon't know what it is though works every time. 
  
  
  its contagious to humans and to 
  other animals so careful when handling 
them.
  
  BTW the interferon on my URI 
  negative kittens has made all the difference in the world.

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




Del.Blue Star ointmentbeing using it for 10 years. You can get it 
at any pharmacy. 
like any rescue I get it. but the blue star has always worked for me. 5.00 
a jar

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




Nina - how about posting your compiled notes on 
treatment on this list ... with so many different strains of RW what doesn't 
work on one may work on another. 

Del 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Nina 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:27 
  PM
  Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
  Hideyo,Oh man, let's hope your guys don't have 
  ringworm. I've never had to deal with it myself, but it sounds like a 
  real nightmare! I'll send you my compiled notes on treatment for it 
  off-list. Does anyone know how to confirm diagnosis w/o taking a kitty 
  to the vet?N[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Cats that have had URI often bust out in ringworm...welcome to my 
world.Its from the lowered immune system. I use blue start ointment 
and it never fails you can get it in any pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I 
take them to the vet and he gives them a liquiddon't know what it is 
though works every time. 
its contagious to humans and to other animals so careful when handling 
them.
BTW the interferon on my URI negative kittens has made all the 
difference in the world.

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




How often do you useBlue Star ointmenton the area? Twice 
a day? 

Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 1:47 
  PM
  Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
  
  Del.Blue Star ointmentbeing using it for 10 years. You can get it 
  at any pharmacy. 
  like any rescue I get it. but the blue star has always worked for me. 
  5.00 a jar

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




once per day.never seen it fail

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

Thanks, Nina.

- Original Message -
From:
Nina

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:09
PM
Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in
kittens
It's pretty long and not organized in any fashion. I
can't vouch for any of it, but when I see a post that seems interesting I'll
paste it into a document file. (You'll notice Karen's contribution from
today about Blue Star ointment). I can't attach docs to send to the
list, but I'll try and cut and past the whole thing for you. Here
goes:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Karen
817-453-4888 Blue Star
ointmentbeing using it for 10 years. You can get it at any
pharmacy.like any rescue I get it. but the blue star has always worked for
me. 5.00 a jar 1. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Looking up
ringworm I found this, from what this say's it doesn't appear that it is an
airborne contagent, although it is highly contagious (I have had it on a cat
before and I was told to use regular athletes foot creme and for us it did
work, I got a little spot on me and the creme cleared it up on the cat and
myself, this was many years ago, so don't know if that is still the treatment
for it. This cat only had one small spot so we never had a major
problem.):

People can get Ringworm from: 1) direct skin-to-skin
contact with an infected person or pet, 2) indirect contact with an object
or surface that an infected person or pet has touched, or 3) rarely, by
contact with soil.
Ringworm can be treated with fungus-killing medicine.
To prevent Ringworm, 1) make sure all infected persons
and pets get appropriate treatment, 2) avoid contact with infected persons
and pets, 3) do not share personal items, and 4) keep common-use areas
clean.
How do
people get Ringworm?
Ringworm is spread by either direct or
indirect contact. People can get Ringworm by direct
skin-to-skin contact with an infected person or pet.
People can also get Ringworm indirectly by contact with objects or
surfaces that an infected person or pet has touched, such as hats, combs,
brushes, bed linens, stuffed animals, telephones, gym mats, and shower
stalls. In rare cases
Ringworm can be spread by contact with soil.
http://www.astdhpphe.org/infect/ringworm.htmlAnother
good site that seems to confirm this:http://www.sniksnak.com/cathealth/ringworm.html!--[if
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2. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The only good thing is that it was a very mild
case and was easily treated with over the counter creams. But I use the
program pill and protein Thymic A for faster results.
3. [EMAIL PROTECTED]Tea
Tree Oil:If you want a natural treatment, tea tree oil, which you can get in any health food store, is an anti-fungal and kills ringworm (I myself had a spot of ringworm last summer and used that to get rid of it and it worked). I am not sure you can put it on cats straight and so would not do so without further guidance from a vet, but I have a natural flea powder that contains it so I know they use it to some degree on cats and dogs. But you can mix it with water in a spray container and spray surfaces with it. 4. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just picked up a kitty from WI that was on Fulvicin, the
dosage was a quarter of a capsul 2 times a day, in all ym panick before I got
her a member of the list shot me over a few places to get ringworm treament,
it actually is for fleas...the links arehttp://www.flea-control-plus.com/acatalog/Program_Dog.htmlhttp://www.petvetsupplies.com/http://discountpetdrugs.com/progflecon.html

I also unearthed a treatment from Revival
Healthhttp://revivalanimal.com/product.asp?pn=27-410

Revival Health also has a great article at http://revivalanimal.com/article.asp?ai=11
5. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I absolutely refused to
administer any oral medications (Fulvicin/Griseofulvin,
Itraconazole, etc.) to Ralphie (or my other cats) for the
ringworm. Ralphie had lurked around deaths door too many
times for me to chance it.I consider Seth the "king of
ringworm". Don't know if he'd appreciate that, but I've
heard that Bastille's fungus-free status is primarily due to
Seth's dedication to bathing him.At the ringworm group, I
have a file listing all the different treatments I used. I
was most happy with:* Lym dip - tho I recommend no more
frequently than one a week for 2 or 3 weeks, then every other
week. It can be kind of harsh/drying to their skin and they
do tend to lick at it, so they're ingesting it* Shampoo
- I got some Ketachlor shampoo from the shelter and it seemed to
help. I only got it about two weeks before Ralphie was
declared ringworm free, and maybe that's a coincidence, maybe
not.. but his last bath before "freedom" was with this shampoo -
then I gave him a final bath before moving him to another room
(just in case he picked up any spores from the

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm Info links




Info can be found 
here:
www.guaranteed-ringworm-cure.com/eguide
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Ringworm Gel: http://www.petsbestrx.com/ringworm/ 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 1:47 
  PM
  Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
  
  Del.Blue Star ointmentbeing using it for 10 years. You can get it 
  at any pharmacy. 
  like any rescue I get it. but the blue star has always worked for me. 
  5.00 a jar

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

2005-10-31 Thread gblane

I always use Gentian Violet - or sometimes use Golden Seal.  Both are 
anti-fungals.


I'm a-gonna go get me some Blue Star ointment to try! Got a ringworm kitty 
here...


Gloria


At 01:47 PM 10/31/2005, you wrote:
Del.Blue Star ointmentbeing using it for 10 years. You can get it 
at any pharmacy.
like any rescue I get it. but the blue star has always worked for me. 5.00 
a jar

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




Gentian Violet ... messy though, isn't it? I remember that from when 
I was a child (many, many, many moons ago), didn't know it was still 
available.

Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:25 
  PM
  Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
  I always use Gentian Violet - or sometimes use Golden 
  Seal. Both are anti-fungals.I'm a-gonna go get me some Blue 
  Star ointment to try! Got a ringworm kitty 
  here...GloriaAt 01:47 PM 10/31/2005, you 
  wrote:Del.Blue Star ointmentbeing using it for 10 years. You 
  can get it at any pharmacy.like any rescue I get it. but the 
  blue star has always worked for me. 5.00 a 
jar

RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens









Is this safe for 12 wk old kittens?











From:
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Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005
1:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm
in kittens







once per day.never seen it fail

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

2005-10-31 Thread gblane

Sure thing - My grandmother told us to use it when I was about 10 and had 
ringworm.  Dr had given us some messy white cream.  But the Gentian Violet 
knocked it out pronto.


BUT very messy.  I put it on my cats VERY carefully!  And sometimes, it's 
just not the right thing.


Gloria

At 02:36 PM 10/31/2005, you wrote:
Gentian Violet ... messy though, isn't it?  I remember that from when I 
was a child (many, many, many moons ago), didn't know it was still available.


Del
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From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

I always use Gentian Violet - or sometimes use Golden Seal.  Both are
anti-fungals.

I'm a-gonna go get me some Blue Star ointment to try! Got a ringworm kitty
here...

Gloria


At 01:47 PM 10/31/2005, you wrote:
Del.Blue Star ointmentbeing using it for 10 years. You can get it
at any pharmacy.
like any rescue I get it. but the blue star has always worked for me. 5.00
a jar

RE: Wednesday and leaving cats at the vet

I am very much the same way - I also learned my lessons hard way.. when
they are spayed/neutered, I actually wait while they are in surgery...
my vet accommodate my desire to be there.. so as soon as I take a cat,
they will start on surgery without waiting around which can be stressful
for my feral cats.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Wednesday and leaving cats at the vet

What a beautiful poem Laura!  I loved it.  For the
record, I never leave my cats at the vet, unless I'm
having them spayed/neutered or unless there is
ABSOLUTELY no other way around it.  Otherwise, I am
right there with them.  That way, if the vet decides
to make a decision, I am right there.  Learned this
the hard way.  Thanks for the tip-I will keep that in
mind in the future.



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Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




DO NOT USE TEA TREE OIL ON 
CATS

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




Yes my Katrina kittens were 7 weeks old. Ringworm, earmites, Rhino and 
chlymedia I used blue star on both.Whisper has since been adopted. I have a 
6 week old here now from the pound with URI he gets both interferon and blue 
star it cleared up after one week.

Update on Cricket

2005-10-31 Thread wendy

Well, it has been a roller coaster of a weekend for
me.  My poor husband probably thinks I have gone
bonkers.  I called in sick (in tears) to work Thursday
evening (for Friday) because I thought I was going to
have to take Cricket to be PTS if he started having
difficulty breathing due to low rbc's.  Friday morning
I woke up late, having gotten some MUCH needed rest,
and Cricket seemed the same.  He didn't seem to be in
pain or having trouble breathing, so I didn't take him
to the vet.  I had taken him the evening before to get
the IV shot of ImmunoRegulin, that had just come in
the mail, thank goodness.  Saturday, I expected him to
be worse, but he wasn't.  Sunday, he seemed to be a
little stronger and alert and had gained weight from
what I could tell on the scales.  The vet called me
this morning to tell me he had read Cricket's labs (he
was out of town) and that he has a responsive anemia,
which we were under the impression that it was
non-responsive.  Non responsive is bad; not much
chance for survival.  Responsive is different.  So
that basically means Cricket has hope.  I am taking
him tomorrow for another shot of ImmunoRegulin.  I
called Dr. Mike Lies, the guy who wrote the article
titled Volume of Opinion Warrants Merit posted on
the Felineleukemia.org website.  He just called me
back today to verify that he had indeed written the
article in 1989, and that he still uses ImmunoRegulin.
 He actually uses EqStim, which is the same thing, and
what I ordered for Cricket on Revivalanimal.com.  They
use it for horses, but lower dosages can be used for
cats.  He said he would do .5ml twice a week for two
weeks and see how Cricket does, and keep him on the
Prednisolone.  Both vets agreed that a transfusion
would do no good as he is trying to make his own rbc's
and his body might actually fight against the new
rbc's from the transfusion.  So it's just a waiting
game now.  I am so thankful I have all of you to vent
to, if you want to call it venting.  Some might call
it whining.  Others, expressing myself.  One thing is
for sure, I feel ten times better now that Cricket has
some hope and I am pulling myself out of the dumps, as
I hope he is too.  This weekend, he spent several
hours each day out in the sun enjoying himself. 
Normally when I let him out, he tries to explore other
homes, and I have to round him up.  But he just lies
there and watches right now.  Hopefully, he will soon
have the energy to do a little exploring.  I never
thought I would be happy about that, but I look
forward to it.  I hope this story/information gives
some of you hope who may be in the same situation. 
Thanks again for your prayers and support.  Wendy and
Cricket 




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Re: Leuk Positive Kitty - Urgent (Rochester, NY)

2005-10-31 Thread wendy

Amy,  I'm all the way in Texas and don't know anyone
in NY.  Try contacting Best Friends (bestfriends.org)
and see if they have a contact.  Good luck.  Wendy

--- Amy Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I had sent this e-mail out last week regarding a
 leuk
 positive kitty.  I haven't followed up because I
 didn't hear back from my vet or the rescuer.  She
 just
 called last night and is still looking for a home
 for
 this kitty.  She can't keep her and the kitten is
 confined to a porch where she can no longer stay as
 it
 gets cold.  Can anybody help this little girl?  The
 rescuer tells me she is a total sweetheart and just
 precious and wants to come in and mix with her other
 cats so badly.  She just doesn't want to mix the
 leuk
 pos with her healthy cats and I can understand that.
 
 Everybody has a different opinion on that.  Anyways,
 please see the description below from my previous
 e-mail.  Obviously, she is a bit older now, probably
 12 weeks or so.
 
 My vet just called me to tell me about a kitten that
 just tested positive for leukemia.  The owner
 (rescuer) can house her temporarily but needs to
 find
 her a home as soon as possible.  They are thinking
 she
 is about 10 weeks old.  She is mostly grey with some
 orange spots.  She has had her distemper shot and
 has
 been dewormed and flea treated.  She has not been
 spayed yet and is too young for her rabies shot.  Is
 there anybody that could give this little sweetie a
 home?  I am willing to make arrangements for
 transportation.  We just don't want to see this
 little
 one euthanized.
 
 
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 Woof Wagon
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Re: Update on Cricket




Healing prayers coming your way for cricket.
Karen

Re: Leuk Positive Kitty - Urgent (Rochester, NY)

2005-10-31 Thread Amy Wilkins

I hope I find somebody.  This woman can't keep the
kitten much longer and I've never had to give up
trying to find a home for one yet.  There are just so
many out there.

--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Amy,  I'm all the way in Texas and don't know anyone
 in NY.  Try contacting Best Friends
 (bestfriends.org)
 and see if they have a contact.  Good luck.  Wendy
 
 --- Amy Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I had sent this e-mail out last week regarding a
  leuk
  positive kitty.  I haven't followed up because I
  didn't hear back from my vet or the rescuer.  She
  just
  called last night and is still looking for a home
  for
  this kitty.  She can't keep her and the kitten is
  confined to a porch where she can no longer stay
 as
  it
  gets cold.  Can anybody help this little girl? 
 The
  rescuer tells me she is a total sweetheart and
 just
  precious and wants to come in and mix with her
 other
  cats so badly.  She just doesn't want to mix the
  leuk
  pos with her healthy cats and I can understand
 that.
  
  Everybody has a different opinion on that. 
 Anyways,
  please see the description below from my previous
  e-mail.  Obviously, she is a bit older now,
 probably
  12 weeks or so.
  
  My vet just called me to tell me about a kitten
 that
  just tested positive for leukemia.  The owner
  (rescuer) can house her temporarily but needs to
  find
  her a home as soon as possible.  They are thinking
  she
  is about 10 weeks old.  She is mostly grey with
 some
  orange spots.  She has had her distemper shot and
  has
  been dewormed and flea treated.  She has not been
  spayed yet and is too young for her rabies shot. 
 Is
  there anybody that could give this little sweetie
 a
  home?  I am willing to make arrangements for
  transportation.  We just don't want to see this
  little
  one euthanized.
  
  
  Amy Wilkins 
  Woof Wagon
  www.woofwagon.com
  
  
  
  
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RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens









When human gets it, is it itchy?











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005
2:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm
in kittens







Yes my Katrina kittens were 7 weeks old.
Ringworm, earmites, Rhino and chlymedia I used blue star on both.Whisper
has since been adopted. I have a 6 week old here now from the pound with URI he
gets both interferon and blue star it cleared up after one week.

RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens









Now  I feel so overwhelmed already,
because I am sure that they have RW  all of 4 kittens have bold patches
on their ears  and some on faces  I am now depressed - I really
dont have a place to separate them  please forward me RW yahoo
group  I would appreciate it. What is the name of gel that you are
going to order.











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Del Daniels
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005
12:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm
in kittens







I sure hope you don't have the RW
:( This is not fun but I knew we'd have it eventually since I do a little
rescue and have a herd of cats. Little Ms Purrsy brought it with her and
was diagnosed early-mid August ... I was so very careful handling her, isolated
her immediately in her condo and it still moved into the big house and what a
hassle. The cats are on Griseofulvin (except the two FIV+ who take
Itraconazole) and topical Lotrimin liquid. I can't say that either works.
Some cats healed, some still broke out but very slow improvement, some with new
outbreaks after being on the oral for over three weeks. Frustrating.
Reading all the cleaning required, sorry, I don't have time enough in my day to
do all of what should
be done, not even close,and I am retired.Maybe we will have
it forever. .Maybe $500 already. And the UV light
... not all RW will flouresce even with the doc's expensive Wood light.
Some RWshows up as fur loss, some with crud, some sores, some itch others
do not. How many times can I use the word frustrating? May I add
that I do not regret having my cats nor taking this little rescue who brought
the RW even if we never get rid of it. If no one has already given it,
there is a RW yahoo group and I'll fwd it. There is a gel suggested that
is supposed to work wonderful and I am about to order some of it.











Del











- Original Message - 







From: Hideyo Yamamoto 





To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 





Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:30 PM





Subject: RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens









Really? Why is it such a nightmare?
Is it because its contagious and hard to get rid of? It
wont kill them or make them really sick, will they? Someone told
me that I should get a black light to confirm it.











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005
11:28 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm
in kittens





Hideyo,
Oh man, let's hope your guys don't have ringworm. I've never had to deal
with it myself, but it sounds like a real nightmare! I'll send you my
compiled notes on treatment for it off-list. Does anyone know how to
confirm diagnosis w/o taking a kitty to the vet?
N

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Cats that have had URI often bust
out in ringworm...welcome to my world.Its from the lowered immune system.
I use blue start ointment and it never fails you can get it in any
pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I take them to the vet and he gives them a
liquiddon't know what it is though works every time. 





its contagious to humans and to other animals so
careful when handling them.





BTW the interferon on my URI negative kittens has
made all the difference in the world.

RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens









I wonder if I have it.. I have some red
spots its sort of stings and itchy--- is it RW? Its encouraging
to know that most of your kitties did not get it. What spray did you use on
you? What is Difulcan  is it over the counter drug?











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Cherie A Gabbert
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005
12:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm
in kittens







My most recent kitten Mystery had ringworm, without my knowledge and I
brought her in my house of 10 cats, 1 dog and my sonmy FeLV+ cat is the
only one that caught it and of course I did also...it is really bad, I used an
antibactial spray three days on and 1 day off for 3 weeks and that helped, with
me I took Difulcan and used rubbing alcohol on the wounds, it was not fun ;-(

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 



Cats that have had URI
often bust out in ringworm...welcome to my world.Its from the lowered immune
system. I use blue start ointment and it never fails you can get it in
any pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I take them to the vet and he gives them a
liquiddon't know what it is though works every time. 





its contagious to humans and to other
animals so careful when handling them.





BTW the interferon on my URI negative
kittens has made all the difference in the world. 









Have a purrfect day





Cherie

RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens









I havent  I have to go get
it  since I have 5 cats with bald spots, I am hoping that it will tell
me something if anyone has RW 











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Cherie A Gabbert
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005
12:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm
in kittens







Did you try the black light method? If you take them into a dark area
and shine the black light on it if it glows greenish it is definately
ringworm.but be careful sometimes ringworm does not glow green.

Hideyo
 Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 

Hi, I noticed that there are some bald spots and flakey
inside of ear on all of my four kittens and the mamas nose as
welland I think they are ringworm  though they still have URIs
that come and go and cant get rid of (over several weeks now) for some
reasons.



Any suggestions on treatment? How worried should I
be? 







Have a purrfect day





Cherie

Re: Update on Cricket

2005-10-31 Thread Lernermichelle




I hope Cricket continues to do well. It is true that there is always 
some chance of rejection of a transfusion. But an rbc of 8 is so low that 
I feared he would die within a few days without one. I am glad to see he is 
proving us wrong so far, and hope he continues to. Dr. Lies swears I-R can pull 
cats out of severe anemia. It will be wonderful if that proves to be 
true. 
Michelle

RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

2005-10-31 Thread Lewis Faye

Don't panic. Ringworm is a very common fungi in the environment.Most of us and our pets come into contact with it every day and do not become infected. Most outbreaks are due to immune system issues. There is a more than reasonable chance that no human will get the ringworm from your cats. I had a horse with a terrible case of it years ago and no human or pet got it from him. I would see your vet and start there. It can be stubborn in some animals but it can be overcome.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:









I wonder if I have it.. I have some red spots its sort of stings and itchy--- is it RW? Its encouraging to know that most of your kitties did not get it. What spray did you use on you? What is Difulcan  is it over the counter drug?





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:29 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens


My most recent kitten Mystery had ringworm, without my knowledge and I brought her in my house of 10 cats, 1 dog and my sonmy FeLV+ cat is the only one that caught it and of course I did also...it is really bad, I used an antibactial spray three days on and 1 day off for 3 weeks and that helped, with me I took Difulcan and used rubbing alcohol on the wounds, it was not fun ;-([EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Cats that have had URI often bust out in ringworm...welcome to my world.Its from the lowered immune system. I use blue start ointment and it never fails you can get it in any pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I take them to the vet and he gives them a liquiddon't know what it is though works every time. 

its contagious to humans and to other animals so careful when handling them.

BTW the interferon on my URI negative kittens has made all the difference in the world. 


Have a purrfect day

Cherie


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Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

2005-10-31 Thread Gloria B. Lane




I just went to my local pharmacy and asked for Blue Star Ointment. He 
carries it, but is out and is going to order some more.

Gloria


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 1:47 
  PM
  Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
  
  Del.Blue Star ointmentbeing using it for 10 years. You can get it 
  at any pharmacy. 
  like any rescue I get it. but the blue star has always worked for me. 
  5.00 a jar

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

2005-10-31 Thread janine paton

Yes, please don't use Tea Tree Oil on or around cats. 
And if it's a small amount in a product (like Halo
makes an earwash that has T.T. listed in it) I won't
use it either because I wonder what effect it has on
their liver.  

Janine

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 DO NOT USE TEA TREE OIL ON  CATS

Re: Emilio and Frito

2005-10-31 Thread Chris



Angel's Gate in Long Island-Original Message- From: Terri Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Oct 27, 2005 3:14 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Emilio and Frito 



Hmm, I don't know if there's one on Long Island.

Terri in NJ

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Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: Emilio and Frito
I was wondering about Tabby's Place, but couldn't remember the name. Isn't there one one on Long Island too? Again, can't remember the name!GloriaAt 06:40 PM 10/26/2005, you wrote:Hi Chrissy,Wow. What a big heart you have.There are no FeLV+ shelters in this area (I'm in Bordentown, right around the corner from you). Taffy's Place in the Flemington area is full I think. Any shelter you take them to will PTS. I think Nikki's FeLV Rescue is full too. She's way up in the Sparta, NJ area.No doubt you've got your hands full. I'm full myself (in a 1 bedroom apartment), and all the cats are FeLV free at the moment. I mostly lurk on the list nowadays -- I've been with the group since 1999.Since we're so close (geographically), maybe give me a call sometime and we can chat. If nothing else, at least I can be a sounding board for you.324-1604Terri in Bordentown, NJ=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec  Salome' =^..^=Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350- Original Message -From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Christine OttTo: mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:43 PMSubject: Emilio and FritoHi everyone,I'm brand new here, and am so happy to have found you! How wonderful tohave found such a group! Of course, it's sad news in my life thatbrings me here, though, but it's good to know there are other peopleout there doing what they can.We moved to Trenton, NJ, last year with a dog, Lacey, and two young,(felv - ) cats, Monkey and Simon, and within a day, acquired a new cat,Angus, whom we kept in seclusion for months until we could determine ifhe had any of the feline nasties (he was tested twice, several monthsapart). Of course, we didn't seek to get another cat, but cats have theability to acquire us. He came up negative for FIV and Leukemia, and wewere so thankful. Monkey and Simon may not feel the same way, sincehe's much bigger than they are, but we're working out the issues!Four months later, I heard a terrible crying sound coming from thehedges, and honestly had no idea what it was -- despite the growingnumber of cats in my household, they're all pretty young; I didn't havea cat until I was 31, so I was not well versed in the wide range ofnoises they're capable of making. I went to check it out, anddiscovered Platooski, a kitten about 4 weeks old, in the bushes.We figured three cats was enough; since Platooski was a kitten, wethought it would be easy enough to get him adopted. And as luck wouldhave it, THREE people said they'd take him. We offered him to the firstperson who asked, and of course, she fell through, but not before theother two women got other kittens. So, we figured, "What's one more?"And then came Crabcake, another kitten. And again, we figured we couldadopt her out, and planned to take her to adoption day at PetSmart, butshe developed a horrible eye infection. Despite her hideous oozingface, all of my cats fell in love with her while she was healing, andby the time she got better, we couldn't bear to give her up.Platooski and Crabcake also came up negative for FIV and FeLv. All ofmy cats are indoors only. Angus, by the way, the bully, adores thekittens, though he still gets a scary blank stare when he looks atSimon and Monkey...So, last month, on our one year anniversary in the house, a mommy catand two young kittens show up, smelling a sucker, I guess. Theneighborhood has a bad cat problem, and we've been talking about atrap-neuter-release program, but of course, every time a cat shows up,circumstances go weird, and we're not able to do the TNR thing. Ivolunteered at the shelter for a bit to get a sense what was going onwith that, and while I admire so much of what the volunteers do, I willdo my best to never surrender an animal to them, since it's a killfacility, and the city is so hard pressed for resources. So we figuredwe'd do our best to "take care of our backyard," so to speak. We fedMommy and babies (whom we named Emilio and Frito), and they stayed onthe back porch. I asked around again to see if we could find a takerfor these cats, and again, we got lucky and found someone who'd takeEmilio and Frito, if they came up negative for FIV and FeLv.Because we live in a city with a stray cat problem, as well as a numberof other

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

Red spots stings and itchy ... yup, probably
RW.

Del

- Original Message -
From:
Hideyo Yamamoto
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 6:15
PM
Subject: RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in
kittens

I wonder if I have
it.. I have some red spots its sort of stings and itchy--- is it RW?
Its encouraging to know that most of your kitties did not get it. What
spray did you use on you? What is Difulcan is it over the counter
drug?

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:29
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in
kittens

My most recent kitten Mystery had ringworm, without my
knowledge and I brought her in my house of 10 cats, 1 dog and my sonmy
FeLV+ cat is the only one that caught it and of course I did also...it is
really bad, I used an antibactial spray three days on and 1 day off for 3
weeks and that helped, with me I took Difulcan and used rubbing alcohol on the
wounds, it was not fun ;-([EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

Cats that have had
URI often bust out in ringworm...welcome to my world.Its from the lowered
immune system. I use blue start ointment and it never fails you can get
it in any pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I take them to the vet and he gives
them a liquiddon't know what it is though works every time.

its contagious to
humans and to other animals so careful when handling
them.

BTW the interferon
on my URI negative kittens has made all the difference in the world.

Have a purrfect
day

Cherie

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




This is what I posted earlier, you may have 
seen it by now. Someone also suggested Blue Star ointment and it is cheap 
... maybe I'll buy that, too, andtry it on some of my furkids. 
Revival animal supply catalog has two pages on RW and their suggestions, which 
include selling alltheir products of course, will further depress 
you. It sounds like we need the National Guard and several $1000 to ever 
get rid of RW. Some of my guys have cleared even though more are breaking 
out. You have a large number of kitties, too, don't you? I 
understand your depression :( with this. 

Hugs,
Del
Info can be found here: 
www.guaranteed-ringworm-cure.com/eguide
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ringworm Gel: http://www.petsbestrx.com/ringworm/ 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 6:12 
  PM
  Subject: RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
  
  
  Now  I feel so 
  overwhelmed already, because I am sure that they have RW  all of 4 kittens 
  have bold patches on their ears  and some on faces  I am now depressed - I 
  really dont have a place to separate them  please forward me RW yahoo group 
   I would appreciate it. What is the name of gel that you are going to 
  order.
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Del DanielsSent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:44 
  PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
  
  
  I sure hope you 
  don't have the RW :( This is not fun but I knew we'd have it eventually 
  since I do a little rescue and have a herd of cats. Little Ms Purrsy 
  brought it with her and was diagnosed early-mid August ... I was so very 
  careful handling her, isolated her immediately in her condo and it still moved 
  into the big house and what a hassle. The cats are on Griseofulvin 
  (except the two FIV+ who take Itraconazole) and topical Lotrimin liquid. 
  I can't say that either works. Some cats healed, some still broke out 
  but very slow improvement, some with new outbreaks after being on the oral for 
  over three weeks. Frustrating. Reading 
  all the cleaning required, sorry, I don't have time enough in my day to do all 
  of what should be done, not even 
  close,and I am retired.Maybe we will have it forever. 
  .Maybe $500 already. And the UV light ... not all RW 
  will flouresce even with the doc's expensive Wood light. Some 
  RWshows up as fur loss, some with crud, some sores, some itch others do 
  not. How many times can I use the word frustrating? May I add 
  that I do not regret having my cats nor taking this little rescue who brought 
  the RW even if we never get rid of it. If no one has already given it, 
  there is a RW yahoo group and I'll fwd it. There is a gel suggested that 
  is supposed to work wonderful and I am about to order some of 
  it.
  
  
  
  Del
  
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  
  

From: Hideyo Yamamoto 


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 


Sent: Monday, 
October 31, 2005 12:30 PM

Subject: RE: OT: Help 
! ringworm in kittens


Really? Why 
is it such a nightmare? Is it because its contagious and hard to get 
rid of? It wont kill them or make them really sick, will they? 
Someone told me that I should get a black light to confirm 
it.





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:28 
AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
kittens

Hideyo,Oh man, let's 
hope your guys don't have ringworm. I've never had to deal with it 
myself, but it sounds like a real nightmare! I'll send you my compiled 
notes on treatment for it off-list. Does anyone know how to confirm 
diagnosis w/o taking a kitty to the vet?N[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

Cats that have had 
URI often bust out in ringworm...welcome to my world.Its from the lowered 
immune system. I use blue start ointment and it never fails you can 
get it in any pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I take them to the vet and he 
gives them a liquiddon't know what it is though works every time. 


its contagious to humans and to 
other animals so careful when handling 
them.

BTW the interferon on my URI 
negative kittens has made all the difference in the world.

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

Will ringworm show up under a 'black light'??
tNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hideyo,Oh man, let's hope your guys don't have ringworm. I've never had to deal with it myself, but it sounds like a real nightmare! I'll send you my compiled notes on treatment for it off-list. Does anyone know how to confirm diagnosis w/o taking a kitty to the vet?N[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Cats that have had URI often bust out in ringworm...welcome to my world.Its from the lowered immune system. I use blue start ointment and it never fails you can get it in any pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I take them to the vet and he gives them a liquiddon't know what it is though works every time. 
its contagious to humans and to other animals so careful when handling them.
BTW the interferon on my URI negative kittens has made all the difference in the world.

RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

Hideyo,

Ringworm is a nightmare. You need to quarantine those kittens right away. Preferably in a basement or somewhere totally away from the others. Meanwhile... the spores spread through the air. If possible I would put them in cages and put sheets over the cages to try to keep it from spreading.

You need to bleach everything. You need to wash yourself when you tend to these guys before tending to your other cats. I had a friend with it that put the ringworm cats in the basement and she would actually undress in the basement, and go straight to the shower and get dressed in clean clothes everytime she went down there. It took her months to get everyone cleared up.

Do a google search on ringworm. My vet always said to wash the places with a very diluted bleach solution. Their cages need to be cleaned regularly too, and food dishes, and litters, etc It all needs to be bleached. 

That's the short version. :( 

Good luck with this. Ringworm is such a pain. No, it's not deadly, and we don't like to euthanize cats for it at the shelter, but it's so contagious that it's hard to deal with.

Immunity (or lack of it) does have something to do with who will or will not catch it.

tonyaHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:







I guess now I have a big disaster in my house.. because I have so many other cats and kittens are everywhere  
I was also told and read that though its contagious, cats with regular immunity will not develop symptoms--- is it true? Or not really?





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:33 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens


No ringworm wont make them any sicker its just a pain to get rid of and it could take a couple of months for the hair to grow back

RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

I got mine at petsmart.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:









Where do I get a black light? Do they have it at Walgreen or something?





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:32 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens


Yeah use a black light..that's how you can tell for sure.

Re: Ringworm

You can also try lotromin. (athlete's foot cream)

t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Children are more suseptible than adults but if you have dryer sking then you are more likely to catch it. I caught it when Bramble had it. You can apply iodiene on the ringworm areas to help the fungal spores from spreading - Bramble used to like the iodiene as it is kept in the fridge so must be soothing too.

Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy  Angel Bramble

Re: Ringworm

Yes,
Luckily some people (and animals) are not as susceptible to it. My boyfriend had it bad enough he had to finally go to the doctor, yet I never got it
t

Introduction

2005-10-31 Thread Dudes

Hello everyone,
I am new to the list and wanted to introduce myself and tell about why I am
here.  I appreciate you taking a minute to read about us.

My name is Sandy and until recently I've had 3 adult cats who I love like
fuzzy children.  I have a stepdaughter who moved home this summer for a few
weeks, and brought with her an orange kitten she had adopted from someone
she didn't know.   She got him to keep her older cat Kuma (Japanese for
Bear) compnay.  After they got here, her cat Kuma became very ill, and
within just a day or so of showing symptoms, had to be euthanized. He
experienced multi-organ failure.  The vet diagnosed FeLV.

So we took the orange kitten Cotton to the vet as soon as we could, since we
knew so little about him.  Cotton also tested positive for FeLV.  My
stepdaughter has neither the desire nor the means to care for him, so she
left him.  The vet recommended immediate euthanasia, and wouldn't even check
his little orange ears for ear mites or intestinal parasites or suggest any
more blood work. Just FeLV positive = death.  That was hard to swallow, but
in the meantime, I gathered up my three established cats to be tested, and
unfortunately my younger female has also tested positive.  The other two
older cats were negative.

I am heartbroken and distraught.  I've tried to read and learn as much as I
can about FeLV.  I have been angry at myself for letting this all happen,
and feel now that hindsight is always 20-20.  But please don't make me feel
any worse than I do.  It had been about 2 years since my cats had the FeLV
vaccine, becuase they are 100% indoors, and I was worried about
overvaccinating them.

Now I feel that I need to look ahead and address this head-on, and I am
hoping for some sound, rational advice.  My vet seemed totally negative and
I do intend to get a second opinion and confirmatory blood tests.  The two
cats that are negative got a vaccine, even though I know it may not do much
good.  They also have boosters scheduled in 3 weeks.

I fear that even though Kuma (stepduaghter's cat who died) was sequestered
during his illness, everyone was exposed before we realized what we were
dealing with.  I now have a household of 4 cats, two of whom are FeLV
negative, and two who are positive, one of whom is symptomatic, as Cotton
the orange kitten now has swollen glands and diarrhea.
Any words of wisdom would be totally appreciated.
Thank you,
Sandy C.
Houston, Texas area

RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens

Did you say on the ears and nose?? I don't think it's that common in those areas. Sure it's not earmites?

tHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:









Is this safe for 12 wk old kittens?





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 1:05 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens


once per day.never seen it fail

Re: Introduction

Hi Sandy,

I'm sorry for your loss, and I'm sorry you had to find us. I don't have time for a long reply right now, but you were right not to let your vet euthanize your cat.

My opinion is the first thing you need to do is go ahead and vaccinate your negative cat. Quarantine it and booster in 3 weeks.

Most importantly of all, you need to find a good vet who knows what he's talking about and is willing to work with you with your positive cats. Positive cats can just be carriers and never get sick at all! There is no reason to euthanize and I would not trust a vet recommending that!

I'm sure you'll get lots more advice. This is a wonderful group. We've had positive cats on this list over 10 years old and some die as kittens. There are many different variables involved and it sounds like your vet has not researched this disease.

TonyaDudes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello everyone,I am new to the list and wanted to introduce myself and tell about why I amhere. I appreciate you taking a minute to read about us.My name is Sandy and until recently I've had 3 adult cats who I love likefuzzy children. I have a stepdaughter who moved home this summer for a fewweeks, and brought with her an orange kitten she had adopted from someoneshe didn't know. She got him to keep her older cat Kuma (Japanese for"Bear") compnay. After they got here, her cat Kuma became very ill, andwithin just a day or so of showing symptoms, had to be euthanized. Heexperienced multi-organ failure. The vet diagnosed FeLV.So we took the orange kitten Cotton to the vet as soon as we could, since weknew so little about him. Cotton also tested positive for FeLV. Mystepdaughter has neither the desire nor the means to care for him,
so sheleft him. The vet recommended immediate euthanasia, and wouldn't even checkhis little orange ears for ear mites or intestinal parasites or suggest anymore blood work. Just FeLV positive = death. That was hard to swallow, butin the meantime, I gathered up my three established cats to be tested, andunfortunately my younger female has also tested positive. The other twoolder cats were negative.I am heartbroken and distraught. I've tried to read and learn as much as Ican about FeLV. I have been angry at myself for letting this all happen,and feel now that hindsight is always 20-20. But please don't make me feelany worse than I do. It had been about 2 years since my cats had the FeLVvaccine, becuase they are 100% indoors, and I was worried aboutovervaccinating them.Now I feel that I need to look ahead and address this head-on, and I amhoping for some sound, rational advice. My vet seemed totally negative andI do
intend to get a second opinion and confirmatory blood tests. The twocats that are negative got a vaccine, even though I know it may not do muchgood. They also have boosters scheduled in 3 weeks.I fear that even though Kuma (stepduaghter's cat who died) was sequesteredduring his illness, everyone was exposed before we realized what we weredealing with. I now have a household of 4 cats, two of whom are FeLVnegative, and two who are positive, one of whom is symptomatic, as Cottonthe orange kitten now has swollen glands and diarrhea.Any words of wisdom would be totally appreciated.Thank you,Sandy C.Houston, Texas area

sandy

Additionally, the positive results you've just received could be positive simply because they were recently exposed. Many times a cat will test positive after exposure, but then clear the virus after a period of time. Especially this is true for healthy adult cats. Don't give up!

tonya

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




No, the RW does not always flouresce. And it 
can (did) get kind of nasty before it did show up. Doc's wood's light is 
much stronger than my $15 UV light ... his didn't floresce either! Which 
makes diagnosis more frustrating. Once you have a dx on one cat you can 
fairly assume the other lesions, fur loss, etc., is RW. 

Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  catatonya 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 8:06 
  PM
  Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
  
  Will ringworm show up under a 'black light'??
  tNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  Hideyo,Oh 
man, let's hope your guys don't have ringworm. I've never had to deal 
with it myself, but it sounds like a real nightmare! I'll send you my 
compiled notes on treatment for it off-list. Does anyone know how to 
confirm diagnosis w/o taking a kitty to the vet?N[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  Cats that have had URI often bust out in ringworm...welcome to my 
  world.Its from the lowered immune system. I use blue start ointment 
  and it never fails you can get it in any pharmacy. Or in real bad cases I 
  take them to the vet and he gives them a liquiddon't know what it is 
  though works every time. 
  its contagious to humans and to other animals so careful when 
  handling them.
  BTW the interferon on my URI negative kittens has made all the 
  difference in the world.

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




My kitties have RW on the backs of their ears, fur 
loss on the tips without lesionson the tips(yet), lesions and fur 
loss on the foreheads, one lesionon the flank, fur loss spotson paws 
and tail, fur loss spots on the nose ... Often the other cats 
have been exposed before any dx is made and onward it goes through the 
herd. Ugh! Once it had spread (and yes, I was very careful) there 
was no point in isolating those to condos any longer, so let them out. 
Also, hyperpigmentation of the skin where the fur loss occurs is another sign of 
RW.

Del



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  catatonya 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 8:32 
  PM
  Subject: RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
  kittens
  
  Did you say on the ears and nose?? I don't think it's that common 
  in those areas. Sure it's not earmites?
  
  tHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  








Is this safe for 12 
wk old kittens?





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 1:05 
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in 
kittens


once per 
day.never seen it 
  fail

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




Gloria,
grocery stores also carry it.

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




ringworm is extremely common on the outside of the 
ear..

Re: Introduction




Sandy,

Sorry for the FeLV+ status of your kitties, it is 
scary at first, and heartbreaking. They can live good lives even though 
they may not be as long as we'd like. Go ahead and vaccinate your 
negatives for FeLV+. If you can separate the + fm the - it is recommended 
although many on the list do not keep theirs separate. My Effie lived 
three years, she was diagnosed + at 3 months when I found her. She was 
healthy and full of energy until she developed lymphoma at 2-1/2, did well with 
chemo and then the cancer came back and she really only had one bad month. 
InitiallyEffie did have a coupleshort bouts of fever 
andswollen lymph nodes and most kittens have a case or two of 
diarrhea.

Daily Lysine (OTC)helps keep down the viral 
load, as doesinterferon (prescription). 

You will learn a lot from the experiences of others 
on this list - it is a lifesaver, emotionally for you and physically for your 
kitties. God bless you for keeping Cotton.Whatever 
his/her lifespan, it will be better with your love and care.

Also, find a different vet who is at least 
willing to work with you. 

Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dudes 
  
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 8:30 
  PM
  Subject: Introduction
  Hello everyone,I am new to the list and wanted to introduce 
  myself and tell about why I amhere. I appreciate you taking a minute 
  to read about us.My name is Sandy and until recently I've had 3 adult 
  cats who I love likefuzzy children. I have a stepdaughter who moved 
  home this summer for a fewweeks, and brought with her an orange kitten she 
  had adopted from someoneshe didn't know. She got him to keep 
  her older cat Kuma (Japanese for"Bear") compnay. After they got 
  here, her cat Kuma became very ill, andwithin just a day or so of showing 
  symptoms, had to be euthanized. Heexperienced multi-organ failure. 
  The vet diagnosed FeLV.So we took the orange kitten Cotton to the vet 
  as soon as we could, since weknew so little about him. Cotton also 
  tested positive for FeLV. Mystepdaughter has neither the desire nor 
  the means to care for him, so sheleft him. The vet recommended 
  immediate euthanasia, and wouldn't even checkhis little orange ears for 
  ear mites or intestinal parasites or suggest anymore blood work. Just FeLV 
  positive = death. That was hard to swallow, butin the meantime, I 
  gathered up my three established cats to be tested, andunfortunately my 
  younger female has also tested positive. The other twoolder cats 
  were negative.I am heartbroken and distraught. I've tried to 
  read and learn as much as Ican about FeLV. I have been angry at 
  myself for letting this all happen,and feel now that hindsight is always 
  20-20. But please don't make me feelany worse than I do. It 
  had been about 2 years since my cats had the FeLVvaccine, becuase they are 
  100% indoors, and I was worried aboutovervaccinating them.Now I 
  feel that I need to look ahead and address this head-on, and I amhoping 
  for some sound, rational advice. My vet seemed totally negative andI 
  do intend to get a second opinion and confirmatory blood tests. The 
  twocats that are negative got a vaccine, even though I know it may not do 
  muchgood. They also have boosters scheduled in 3 weeks.I 
  fear that even though Kuma (stepduaghter's cat who died) was 
  sequesteredduring his illness, everyone was exposed before we realized 
  what we weredealing with. I now have a household of 4 cats, two of 
  whom are FeLVnegative, and two who are positive, one of whom is 
  symptomatic, as Cottonthe orange kitten now has swollen glands and 
  diarrhea.Any words of wisdom would be totally appreciated.Thank 
  you,Sandy C.Houston, Texas area

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




Guys,
I tried all the lastest from revival with ringworm...nothing works like 
the old fashioned stuff. Blue star. its thick and prevents it from spreading. it 
smells bad and they dont lick it.

Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens




My daughter really suffers cuase she is allergic to the blue star too so 
she uses iodine and benedryl for the itch

Re: Ringworm




I never get it...

Re: Question on diarrhea (homeopathics)





Thanks for the ideas. I've stayed clear of any kinds of grains,
fruits, or veggies because she's so diet sensitive. I did try
Metamucil and other fibers, they didn't help her. Her diarrhea (IBD),
I strongly suspect was brought on by an accidental over-vaccination.
It's been tough to get a handle on it, but we're still fighting.
N

maimaipg wrote:

  
  
  
  
  another thought: my alternative vet uses
apple pectin and my regular vets use Metamucilunflavored. Both
have worked for my critters.

Re: Introduction

2005-10-31 Thread jenmeyer

Hi Sandy!

It's always a little bittersweet welcoming new members to the list, 
FeLV is such a devastating disease...but you won't find a more 
knowledgable, more caring group of people!! :)  I'm also in the 
Houston area (Seabrook, to be exact), so if there's anything you need, 
please don't hesitate to get ahold of me!!

I wouldn't beat yourself up at all over what has happened...given that 
it's actually quite difficult for a healthy, adult cat to contract the 
virus (even if he or she has not been vaccinated--and I believe your 
guys are still covered from their vaccination a few years ago...new 
research indicates that vaccines are effective way beyond their 
seemingly arbitrary 1 year expiration date)...and the fact that 
kittens are the most susceptible to the virus because of their 
immature immune systems...it's my hunch that Kuma and your little girl 
actually had the virus all along (the virus can remain sequestered in 
the bone marrow causing a false negative on an in-house test...this 
happened to one of our girls).  The more likely scenerio is that Kuma 
passed the virus on to the little orange guy whose immune system 
wasn't up to fighting off the virus.

As for what to do now, you will get alot of advice about treating 
diarrhea from the list!  I would start by making sure everyone is 
getting a good, quality diet (human-grade ingredients with meat being 
listed as the first ingredient)!  Some good brands are Wellness, 
Innova, Eagle Pack...Also, try starting him out on L-lysine (you can 
find tablets at your local grocery store)...just crush up a 500 mg 
tablet and mix into canned food twice a day.  Another medication that 
you might want to try is Interferon...it helps boost the immune 
system...if your vet won't get it for you, let me know and I'll get 
some from my vet and get it to you!!

That's all I can think of for now...this is a wonderful list, you'll 
get alot of great advice, so don't be afraid to ask about anything at 
all!  And like I said, please let me know if you need anything at all!

Jen




But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be 
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; 
You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine 
de Saint-Exupéry

If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know 
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and 
what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --
Chief Dan George

- Original Message -
From: Dudes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, October 31, 2005 8:30 pm
Subject: Introduction

 Hello everyone,
 I am new to the list and wanted to introduce myself and tell about 
 why I am
 here.  I appreciate you taking a minute to read about us.
 
 My name is Sandy and until recently I've had 3 adult cats who I 
 love like
 fuzzy children.  I have a stepdaughter who moved home this summer 
 for a few
 weeks, and brought with her an orange kitten she had adopted from 
 someoneshe didn't know.   She got him to keep her older cat Kuma 
 (Japanese for
 Bear) compnay.  After they got here, her cat Kuma became very 
 ill, and
 within just a day or so of showing symptoms, had to be euthanized. He
 experienced multi-organ failure.  The vet diagnosed FeLV.
 
 So we took the orange kitten Cotton to the vet as soon as we 
 could, since we
 knew so little about him.  Cotton also tested positive for FeLV.  My
 stepdaughter has neither the desire nor the means to care for him, 
 so she
 left him.  The vet recommended immediate euthanasia, and wouldn't 
 even check
 his little orange ears for ear mites or intestinal parasites or 
 suggest any
 more blood work. Just FeLV positive = death.  That was hard to 
 swallow, but
 in the meantime, I gathered up my three established cats to be 
 tested, and
 unfortunately my younger female has also tested positive.  The 
 other two
 older cats were negative.
 
 I am heartbroken and distraught.  I've tried to read and learn as 
 much as I
 can about FeLV.  I have been angry at myself for letting this all 
 happen,and feel now that hindsight is always 20-20.  But please 
 don't make me feel
 any worse than I do.  It had been about 2 years since my cats had 
 the FeLV
 vaccine, becuase they are 100% indoors, and I was worried about
 overvaccinating them.
 
 Now I feel that I need to look ahead and address this head-on, and 
 I am
 hoping for some sound, rational advice.  My vet seemed totally 
 negative and
 I do intend to get a second opinion and confirmatory blood tests.  
 The two
 cats that are negative got a vaccine, even though I know it may 
 not do much
 good.  They also have boosters scheduled in 3 weeks.
 
 I fear that even though Kuma (stepduaghter's cat who died) was 
 sequesteredduring his illness, everyone was exposed before we 
 realized what we were
 dealing with.  I now have a household of 4 cats, two of whom are FeLV

Re: Update on Cricket


Wendy,
I'm very pleased to hear you and Cricket are hanging in there.  I'm 
praying big time that the IR helps him over his anemia.  Bless you guys, 
I know how hard that roller coaster ride can be, most of us do.  Try 
very hard to continue to take care of yourself, keep your spirits up and 
know you are doing everything you can for Cricket.  The rest is up to 
him and the powers that be.

Nina

wendy wrote:


Well, it has been a roller coaster of a weekend for
me.  My poor husband probably thinks I have gone
bonkers.  I called in sick (in tears) to work Thursday
evening (for Friday) because I thought I was going to
have to take Cricket to be PTS if he started having
difficulty breathing due to low rbc's.  Friday morning
I woke up late, having gotten some MUCH needed rest,
and Cricket seemed the same.  He didn't seem to be in
pain or having trouble breathing, so I didn't take him
to the vet.  I had taken him the evening before to get
the IV shot of ImmunoRegulin, that had just come in
the mail, thank goodness.  Saturday, I expected him to
be worse, but he wasn't.  Sunday, he seemed to be a
little stronger and alert and had gained weight from
what I could tell on the scales.  The vet called me
this morning to tell me he had read Cricket's labs (he
was out of town) and that he has a responsive anemia,
which we were under the impression that it was
non-responsive.  Non responsive is bad; not much
chance for survival.  Responsive is different.  So
that basically means Cricket has hope.  I am taking
him tomorrow for another shot of ImmunoRegulin.  I
called Dr. Mike Lies, the guy who wrote the article
titled Volume of Opinion Warrants Merit posted on
the Felineleukemia.org website.  He just called me
back today to verify that he had indeed written the
article in 1989, and that he still uses ImmunoRegulin.
He actually uses EqStim, which is the same thing, and
what I ordered for Cricket on Revivalanimal.com.  They
use it for horses, but lower dosages can be used for
cats.  He said he would do .5ml twice a week for two
weeks and see how Cricket does, and keep him on the
Prednisolone.  Both vets agreed that a transfusion
would do no good as he is trying to make his own rbc's
and his body might actually fight against the new
rbc's from the transfusion.  So it's just a waiting
game now.  I am so thankful I have all of you to vent
to, if you want to call it venting.  Some might call
it whining.  Others, expressing myself.  One thing is
for sure, I feel ten times better now that Cricket has
some hope and I am pulling myself out of the dumps, as
I hope he is too.  This weekend, he spent several
hours each day out in the sun enjoying himself. 
Normally when I let him out, he tries to explore other

homes, and I have to round him up.  But he just lies
there and watches right now.  Hopefully, he will soon
have the energy to do a little exploring.  I never
thought I would be happy about that, but I look
forward to it.  I hope this story/information gives
some of you hope who may be in the same situation. 
Thanks again for your prayers and support.  Wendy and
Cricket 





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Re: Introduction--addendum

2005-10-31 Thread jenmeyer

Sorry, it's getting past my bed-time...hard to form a thought!  What I 
meant for the lysine dosage:  500 mg per day split between two meals 
(250 mg per meal)!

Jen


But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be 
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; 
You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine 
de Saint-Exupéry

If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know 
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and 
what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --
Chief Dan George

- Original Message -
From: Dudes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, October 31, 2005 8:30 pm
Subject: Introduction

 Hello everyone,
 I am new to the list and wanted to introduce myself and tell about 
 why I am
 here.  I appreciate you taking a minute to read about us.
 
 My name is Sandy and until recently I've had 3 adult cats who I 
 love like
 fuzzy children.  I have a stepdaughter who moved home this summer 
 for a few
 weeks, and brought with her an orange kitten she had adopted from 
 someoneshe didn't know.   She got him to keep her older cat Kuma 
 (Japanese for
 Bear) compnay.  After they got here, her cat Kuma became very 
 ill, and
 within just a day or so of showing symptoms, had to be euthanized. He
 experienced multi-organ failure.  The vet diagnosed FeLV.
 
 So we took the orange kitten Cotton to the vet as soon as we 
 could, since we
 knew so little about him.  Cotton also tested positive for FeLV.  My
 stepdaughter has neither the desire nor the means to care for him, 
 so she
 left him.  The vet recommended immediate euthanasia, and wouldn't 
 even check
 his little orange ears for ear mites or intestinal parasites or 
 suggest any
 more blood work. Just FeLV positive = death.  That was hard to 
 swallow, but
 in the meantime, I gathered up my three established cats to be 
 tested, and
 unfortunately my younger female has also tested positive.  The 
 other two
 older cats were negative.
 
 I am heartbroken and distraught.  I've tried to read and learn as 
 much as I
 can about FeLV.  I have been angry at myself for letting this all 
 happen,and feel now that hindsight is always 20-20.  But please 
 don't make me feel
 any worse than I do.  It had been about 2 years since my cats had 
 the FeLV
 vaccine, becuase they are 100% indoors, and I was worried about
 overvaccinating them.
 
 Now I feel that I need to look ahead and address this head-on, and 
 I am
 hoping for some sound, rational advice.  My vet seemed totally 
 negative and
 I do intend to get a second opinion and confirmatory blood tests.  
 The two
 cats that are negative got a vaccine, even though I know it may 
 not do much
 good.  They also have boosters scheduled in 3 weeks.
 
 I fear that even though Kuma (stepduaghter's cat who died) was 
 sequesteredduring his illness, everyone was exposed before we 
 realized what we were
 dealing with.  I now have a household of 4 cats, two of whom are FeLV
 negative, and two who are positive, one of whom is symptomatic, as 
 Cottonthe orange kitten now has swollen glands and diarrhea.
 Any words of wisdom would be totally appreciated.
 Thank you,
 Sandy C.
 Houston, Texas area

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Guys,
couldn't her adult cats be showing a false positive just from being 
exposed and then pull a negative later? Your right the disease isnt that easy 
spread. especially in healthy adults with history of being 
vaccinated

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