Re: I really need some advice

[Pat Kachur]

Mixing has worked for me as long as the negative cat is up to date on felv 
vaccine.  My vet says the vac is 90+ % effective and, if the other cat or 
cats are healthy, he sees very little reason for worry.



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From: "Gloria Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: I really need some advice


What a difficult situation, my heart goes out to you.  When I got my 
Calawalla, she was 6 months old, a pretty little calico girl kitten,  just 
off the street.  I couldnt' believe she would ever die, but she  did at 
about 3 yrs old.  I kind of feel like if they make it past 3,  they're 
gonna be ok, but just my experience.  I did keep Calawalla  isolated from 
the others, meticulously, for about 6 months.  Then I  did decide to mix 
Calawalla with my other non-FELV cats, and it worked  out fine for me. 
They had been vaccinated, but I think a healthy  adult immune system does 
a lot whether they're vacc'd or not.  I added  another FELV cat to the 
mix, and they were all great buddies.  I  really don't think it's as 
contagious as we hear.  I have a friend who  also acquired a kitty that 
tested positive - she uses interferon alpha  daily, and mixes with another 
non-FELV cat, and works for her.  She's  made it past the 3 year mark, and 
everyone's doing fine.


Not saying that you should necessarily do this,something to consider  - 
and others here don't do that, but several of us do and find it  works.


If you choose to find another home for your sweet kitty, I'm sure in  that 
Michigan area where you live, or NJ/PA, that  you can find  someone to 
take and love Binxy.


Best of luck and hope this gives you help in some way.

Gloria



On Apr 1, 2008, at 11:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I recently adopted a 4 yr old cat from an ad on the local Detroit  Metro
Craigslist. I also have Velvet whom I adopted from the SPCA 16 yrs ago
who obviously has been tested then and free from both FELV and FIV.

I had been keeping the new cat, Binxy, totally separate in the  bathroom
until she settled down a little and stopped cowering behind the pipes
under the cabinet enough for me to take her to the Vet. Of course I  knew
in the back of my mind that she could have either disease since the
people who gave her to me had obviously done little to care for her-- 
not

spayed, nails unclipped, no brushing, ear mites,  no vet visits in  four
years, etc. But, I have a soft spot for callies and I figured that an
older cat had a far lesser chance of being adopted since most people
want kittens. She is really cute.

Anyhow, she tested positive for FELV today---the Vet himself did the
test so there is little chance that it was not done properly. This
leaves me in quite a dilemma. For Velvet's sake, keeping Binxy just
isn't a realistic option and she can't stay in the bathroom much  longer.
I am living in a shared housing situation and although my landlord  does
allow animals, he let me know that the house needs the downstairs
bathroom back. Plus what kind of life is that for a cat who is very
loving and social? Now that she is over her initial fear and shock  over
being unceremoniously dumped in a strange place, her cuddly, loving
personality is emerging.  Were she a more offish or mean type, the
thought of having her peacefully put to sleep probably wouldn't be as
difficult.

Aside from the ear mites (and most likely worms) she seems to be  healthy
and I'm sure could have a good quality of life in a home as an only  cat
or with another pos. cat---but how to find such a situation? I am at a
total loss and don't know where to turn. I have already called several
rescue groups in this area and been faced with the obvious---with the
highly contagious nature of this disease, they just don't have the
resources or facilities to deal with this and put all the other neg  cats
at risk.

If I take her to the Humane Society, I'm pretty certain she would be
immediately put down if they would even allow her into the building at
all. I have never been faced with a situation like this as all of the
cats which I have had throughout my life were from a Shelter, or  rescue
group and tested before they even came through my door.

Do any of you have any suggestions or know of anybody or any group in
this area which specializes in placing pos. cats?  I really don't want
to see such a sweet cat be euthanized, but I just don't have a clue  what
to do now and I must do something soon.   I found this list as I was
doing a google search for fel-pos rescue groups. Any other groups I  have
encountered are either way out of my area or only take animals from
other shelter or from off the street---not from the general public.

If there are no resources in my current area in Pontiac-Detroit- Metro in
Michigan, if you know of any near Philadelphia, Pa or nearby New  Jersey,
I am scheduled to go back there to visit friends soon and could take  her
along.

I am so hoping that some of you may know of

RE: I really need some advice

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

If you would rather keep this baby than adopt her out, I say go ahead
and have Velvet vaccinated (unless s/he is sickly) and let Binxy out of
that bathroom.  The only thing might be to introduce them gradually,
like with Binxy in a cage for a few days, to see if they're going to be
aggressive.  Of course, that's actually prudent for any new arrivals.  I
have only had one cat with FeLV, and only for a very short time, but his
first night in our house he got out of the back hall where we were
isolating him and intermingled with the other cats in our household, and
they are all fine after almost 2 years since their exposure to him.  He
hadn't bit anybody, and I don't know if he shared food/water/litterbox
with them, but very obviously he didn't transmit anything by just
interacting with them.

I'm glad you found this list.  It's a wonderful resource.

Diane R.

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Subject: I really need some advice

 I recently adopted a 4 yr old cat from an ad on the local Detroit Metro
 Craigslist. I also have Velvet whom I adopted from the SPCA 16 yrs ago
 who obviously has been tested then and free from both FELV and FIV.

I had been keeping the new cat, Binxy, totally separate in the bathroom
until she settled down a little and stopped cowering behind the pipes
under the cabinet enough for me to take her to the Vet. Of course I knew
in the back of my mind that she could have either disease since the
people who gave her to me had obviously done little to care for her--not
spayed, nails unclipped, no brushing, ear mites,  no vet visits in four
years, etc. But, I have a soft spot for callies and I figured that an
older cat had a far lesser chance of being adopted since most people
want kittens. She is really cute. 

Anyhow, she tested positive for FELV today---the Vet himself did the
test so there is little chance that it was not done properly. This
leaves me in quite a dilemma. For Velvet's sake, keeping Binxy just
isn't a realistic option and she can't stay in the bathroom much longer.
I am living in a shared housing situation and although my landlord does
allow animals, he let me know that the house needs the downstairs
bathroom back. Plus what kind of life is that for a cat who is very
loving and social? Now that she is over her initial fear and shock over
being unceremoniously dumped in a strange place, her cuddly, loving
personality is emerging.  Were she a more offish or mean type, the
thought of having her peacefully put to sleep probably wouldn't be as
difficult.

Aside from the ear mites (and most likely worms) she seems to be healthy
and I'm sure could have a good quality of life in a home as an only cat
or with another pos. cat---but how to find such a situation? I am at a
total loss and don't know where to turn. I have already called several
rescue groups in this area and been faced with the obvious---with the
highly contagious nature of this disease, they just don't have the
resources or facilities to deal with this and put all the other neg cats
at risk.

If I take her to the Humane Society, I'm pretty certain she would be
immediately put down if they would even allow her into the building at
all. I have never been faced with a situation like this as all of the
cats which I have had throughout my life were from a Shelter, or rescue
group and tested before they even came through my door. 

Do any of you have any suggestions or know of anybody or any group in
this area which specializes in placing pos. cats?  I really don't want
to see such a sweet cat be euthanized, but I just don't have a clue what
to do now and I must do something soon.   I found this list as I was
doing a google search for fel-pos rescue groups. Any other groups I have
encountered are either way out of my area or only take animals from
other shelter or from off the street---not from the general public.

If there are no resources in my current area in Pontiac-Detroit-Metro in
Michigan, if you know of any near Philadelphia, Pa or nearby New Jersey,
I am scheduled to go back there to visit friends soon and could take her
along.  

I am so hoping that some of you may know of some resources. Thanks in
advance for any advice you could give me.  I really appreciate it.

Buttons
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Introducing Sissy and Rocket

[Sharyl]

I had been feeding a group of dumpster 8 kittens and ended up rescuing 2, Sissy 
and Rocket, when they were about 12 weeks old.  On their 1st vet visit both 
tested FeLV+.  I will have both retested the end of April to see if they are 
still positive.  I have them quarantined in my garage.   They are eating Iams 
canned kitten food supplemented with a Super B Complex, Lactoferrin and DMG.   
So far they are responding well and seem very healthy.  Both have had their 
kitten shots and been wormed.
   
  If they stay positive I will either find a forever home for them or build an 
enclosure onto the garage for them.  I have 2 indoor kitties and one has CRF so 
am concerned about bringing them into the house.
   
  My questions concern the rest of the colony which includes at least 4 adults. 
 I can not take all of them in.  My plan had been to TNR the colony 
(trap/neuter/release). The vet is recommending euthanizing the entire colony if 
these 2 stay positive.  I am not sure where I will be able to get then neutered 
if they are positive.  And I can not trap them just to have them euthanized.  
That may be the best thing to do but I just can't do it.  Is there any info on 
how to deal with a FeLV+ feral colony?  Any advise on how to get them neutered? 
 Am I obligated to tell the vet about the potential for FeLV when having them 
neutered?
   
  Sharyl Sissy and Rocket
  ES of VA

   
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Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket

[Sally Davis]

HI Sharyl

I live in Central Va. Welcome to the group. What a dilemma. The kittens you
caught an still be spayed or neutered even if positive at the second
testing. As for the colony, I have no experience there. The virus is already
out there. About 70% of cats have a natural immunity. Someone else in this
group has probably encountered a similar situation. Thanks for caring for
these kitties, and good luck.

Sally

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I had been feeding a group of dumpster 8 kittens and ended up rescuing 2,
> Sissy and Rocket, when they were about 12 weeks old.  On their 1st vet visit
> both tested FeLV+.  I will have both retested the end of April to see if
> they are still positive.  I have them quarantined in my garage.   They are
> eating Iams canned kitten food supplemented with a Super B Complex,
> Lactoferrin and DMG.   So far they are responding well and seem very
> healthy.  Both have had their kitten shots and been wormed.
>
> If they stay positive I will either find a forever home for them or build
> an enclosure onto the garage for them.  I have 2 indoor kitties and one has
> CRF so am concerned about bringing them into the house.
>
> My questions concern the rest of the colony which includes at least 4
> adults.  I can not take all of them in.  My plan had been to TNR the colony
> (trap/neuter/release). The vet is recommending euthanizing the entire colony
> if these 2 stay positive.  I am not sure where I will be able to get then
> neutered if they are positive.  And I can not trap them just to have them
> euthanized.  That may be the best thing to do but I just can't do it.  Is
> there any info on how to deal with a FeLV+ feral colony?  Any advise on how
> to get them neutered?  Am I obligated to tell the vet about the potential
> for FeLV when having them neutered?
>
> Sharyl Sissy and Rocket
> ES of VA
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RE: I really need some advice

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

I forgot to mention, even though your vet may have administered the
in-house test correctly, that test sometimes shows false positives (and
negatives).  You should have Binxy retested using the Western Blot,
which is more accurate.

Diane R. 

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: I really need some advice

 I recently adopted a 4 yr old cat from an ad on the local Detroit Metro
 Craigslist. I also have Velvet whom I adopted from the SPCA 16 yrs ago
 who obviously has been tested then and free from both FELV and FIV.

I had been keeping the new cat, Binxy, totally separate in the bathroom
until she settled down a little and stopped cowering behind the pipes
under the cabinet enough for me to take her to the Vet. Of course I knew
in the back of my mind that she could have either disease since the
people who gave her to me had obviously done little to care for her--not
spayed, nails unclipped, no brushing, ear mites,  no vet visits in four
years, etc. But, I have a soft spot for callies and I figured that an
older cat had a far lesser chance of being adopted since most people
want kittens. She is really cute. 

Anyhow, she tested positive for FELV today---the Vet himself did the
test so there is little chance that it was not done properly. This
leaves me in quite a dilemma. For Velvet's sake, keeping Binxy just
isn't a realistic option and she can't stay in the bathroom much longer.
I am living in a shared housing situation and although my landlord does
allow animals, he let me know that the house needs the downstairs
bathroom back. Plus what kind of life is that for a cat who is very
loving and social? Now that she is over her initial fear and shock over
being unceremoniously dumped in a strange place, her cuddly, loving
personality is emerging.  Were she a more offish or mean type, the
thought of having her peacefully put to sleep probably wouldn't be as
difficult.

Aside from the ear mites (and most likely worms) she seems to be healthy
and I'm sure could have a good quality of life in a home as an only cat
or with another pos. cat---but how to find such a situation? I am at a
total loss and don't know where to turn. I have already called several
rescue groups in this area and been faced with the obvious---with the
highly contagious nature of this disease, they just don't have the
resources or facilities to deal with this and put all the other neg cats
at risk.

If I take her to the Humane Society, I'm pretty certain she would be
immediately put down if they would even allow her into the building at
all. I have never been faced with a situation like this as all of the
cats which I have had throughout my life were from a Shelter, or rescue
group and tested before they even came through my door. 

Do any of you have any suggestions or know of anybody or any group in
this area which specializes in placing pos. cats?  I really don't want
to see such a sweet cat be euthanized, but I just don't have a clue what
to do now and I must do something soon.   I found this list as I was
doing a google search for fel-pos rescue groups. Any other groups I have
encountered are either way out of my area or only take animals from
other shelter or from off the street---not from the general public.

If there are no resources in my current area in Pontiac-Detroit-Metro in
Michigan, if you know of any near Philadelphia, Pa or nearby New Jersey,
I am scheduled to go back there to visit friends soon and could take her
along.  

I am so hoping that some of you may know of some resources. Thanks in
advance for any advice you could give me.  I really appreciate it.

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Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket

[Gloria Lane]

That's wonderful that you're doing this.  Would be nice if you could  
find a low-cost spay neuter clinic, or a free service, to help fund  
the neutering.  RE your question about telling the vet, I don't  
know.   If 2 are positive, still doesn't mean all the others are,  
although of course there's a chance. Any vet should be aware that if  
the kitty hasn't been tested, there's a potential for FELV or FIV.   
Neutering is the key to preventing the spread of this, as I  
understand.   Least my take on it.   Hope you find a good option for  
low cost or free neutering.


Gloria


On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Sharyl wrote:

I had been feeding a group of dumpster 8 kittens and ended up  
rescuing 2, Sissy and Rocket, when they were about 12 weeks old.  On  
their 1st vet visit both tested FeLV+.  I will have both retested  
the end of April to see if they are still positive.  I have them  
quarantined in my garage.   They are eating Iams canned kitten food  
supplemented with a Super B Complex, Lactoferrin and DMG.   So far  
they are responding well and seem very healthy.  Both have had their  
kitten shots and been wormed.


If they stay positive I will either find a forever home for them or  
build an enclosure onto the garage for them.  I have 2 indoor  
kitties and one has CRF so am concerned about bringing them into the  
house.


My questions concern the rest of the colony which includes at least  
4 adults.  I can not take all of them in.  My plan had been to TNR  
the colony (trap/neuter/release). The vet is recommending  
euthanizing the entire colony if these 2 stay positive.  I am not  
sure where I will be able to get then neutered if they are  
positive.  And I can not trap them just to have them euthanized.   
That may be the best thing to do but I just can't do it.  Is there  
any info on how to deal with a FeLV+ feral colony?  Any advise on  
how to get them neutered?  Am I obligated to tell the vet about the  
potential for FeLV when having them neutered?


Sharyl Sissy and Rocket
ES of VA

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RE: Introducing Sissy and Rocket

[Stray Cat Alliance]

National Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) groups -- including Alley Cat Allies 
www.alleycat.org -- and veterinary scientist Dr Julie Levy's group Operation 
Catnip in Gainesville FL do not recommend testing feral cats -- 
spaying/neutering and returning to colony site is the best prevention of any 
illness. It does not make sense to euthanize cats on the premise that they 
"may" get ill. A perfectly healthy feral cat may get hit by a car -- so does 
that mean we should just euthanize all feral cats just in case?
Check out:
 
http://sacs.vetmed.ufl.edu/catnip/manual,%20internal%20&%20external%20hyps.htm#c1_9
http://www.feralcat.com/tpolicy.html
http://www.castawaycritters.org/info/display?PageID=157
I do not believe you have to tell a vet anything about the status of the 2 cats 
from the colony -- you are paying them to do a service, spay and neuter the 
remaining cats of the colony.
 
Of course, if the cats are obviously ill -- that is a different story.
 
Best wishes,
Anita
"Every year shelters kill almost 5,000,000 cats, dogs, puppies & kittens.  Most 
were beautiful, loving creatures (even feral cats!) that died simply because 
they did not have a home.  Every puppy or kitten born costs a shelter animal 
its life. Save lives, spay-neuter, support Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) & adopt for 
life!" Visit http://www.castawaycritters.org/info/display?PageID=153 for 
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information on humane control of the feral and stray cat populationVisit 
http://www.cpaa.info for information on life-saving programs and organizations 
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 06:23:39 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Introducing Sissy 
and RocketTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
I had been feeding a group of dumpster 8 kittens and ended up rescuing 2, Sissy 
and Rocket, when they were about 12 weeks old.  On their 1st vet visit both 
tested FeLV+.  I will have both retested the end of April to see if they are 
still positive.  I have them quarantined in my garage.   They are eating Iams 
canned kitten food supplemented with a Super B Complex, Lactoferrin and DMG.   
So far they are responding well and seem very healthy.  Both have had their 
kitten shots and been wormed.
 
If they stay positive I will either find a forever home for them or build an 
enclosure onto the garage for them.  I have 2 indoor kitties and one has CRF so 
am concerned about bringing them into the house.
 
My questions concern the rest of the colony which includes at least 4 adults.  
I can not take all of them in.  My plan had been to TNR the colony 
(trap/neuter/release). The vet is recommending euthanizing the entire colony if 
these 2 stay positive.  I am not sure where I will be able to get then neutered 
if they are positive.  And I can not trap them just to have them euthanized.  
That may be the best thing to do but I just can't do it.  Is there any info on 
how to deal with a FeLV+ feral colony?  Any advise on how to get them neutered? 
 Am I obligated to tell the vet about the potential for FeLV when having them 
neutered?
 
Sharyl Sissy and Rocket
ES of VA


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Re: I really need some advice

[Linda Johnson]

Hi,
What groups have you been in contact with?  I live in
the Detroit Metro area and, while I don't know of any
groups that take in Felv+ cats, I do have a great vet
who is supportive regarding the treatment of my Felv+
cat & is the medical director of my local shelter.  I
can contact her office to see if they know of any
groups in the area.
Linda




  

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RE: Introducing Sissy and Rocket

[Chris]

A couple of thoughts. FELV has been around forever-out there among loose
cats and they haven't all died off---so, its not as contagious as
everybody thinks.  If you're maintaining a controlled colony, I'd just get
them s/n and maintain the colony as you're doing.

 

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Cell:  913-720-6888

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharyl
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Introducing Sissy and Rocket

 

I had been feeding a group of dumpster 8 kittens and ended up rescuing 2,
Sissy and Rocket, when they were about 12 weeks old.  On their 1st vet visit
both tested FeLV+.  I will have both retested the end of April to see if
they are still positive.  I have them quarantined in my garage.   They are
eating Iams canned kitten food supplemented with a Super B Complex,
Lactoferrin and DMG.   So far they are responding well and seem very
healthy.  Both have had their kitten shots and been wormed.

 

If they stay positive I will either find a forever home for them or build an
enclosure onto the garage for them.  I have 2 indoor kitties and one has CRF
so am concerned about bringing them into the house.

 

My questions concern the rest of the colony which includes at least 4
adults.  I can not take all of them in.  My plan had been to TNR the colony
(trap/neuter/release). The vet is recommending euthanizing the entire colony
if these 2 stay positive.  I am not sure where I will be able to get then
neutered if they are positive.  And I can not trap them just to have them
euthanized.  That may be the best thing to do but I just can't do it.  Is
there any info on how to deal with a FeLV+ feral colony?  Any advise on how
to get them neutered?  Am I obligated to tell the vet about the potential
for FeLV when having them neutered?

 

Sharyl Sissy and Rocket

ES of VA

  

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Re: I really need some advice

[Gary]

Western Blot is for FIV, IFA is for FeLV.

If the snap test is positive for FeLV and the exposure
was recent, it can 
take 8 to 12 weeks before it will show in the IFA
test.  It could also have 
been a false positive and there is the possibility
that if it was a true 
positive and the exposure was recent the cat may be
able to mount an immune 
response and eliminate the virus.  That would usually
happen with 12 weeks 
after exposure.

If vaccinating other cats that may become exposed keep
in mind that to 
obtain the full immunity the vaccine provides requires
a series of 2 shots 3 
to 4 weeks apart so, the vaccine is not fully
effective for about 4 weeks.

Gary

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Subject: RE: I really need some advice


>I forgot to mention, even though your vet may have
administered the
> in-house test correctly, that test sometimes shows
false positives (and
> negatives).  You should have Binxy retested using
the Western Blot,
> which is more accurate.
>
> Diane R.



  

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RE: I really need some advice

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

Oops, sorry, was replying re FIV on another list, have Western Blot on
brain. 

Diane R.

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Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: I really need some advice

Western Blot is for FIV, IFA is for FeLV.

If the snap test is positive for FeLV and the exposure
was recent, it can 
take 8 to 12 weeks before it will show in the IFA
test.  It could also have 
been a false positive and there is the possibility
that if it was a true 
positive and the exposure was recent the cat may be
able to mount an immune 
response and eliminate the virus.  That would usually
happen with 12 weeks 
after exposure.

If vaccinating other cats that may become exposed keep
in mind that to 
obtain the full immunity the vaccine provides requires
a series of 2 shots 3 
to 4 weeks apart so, the vaccine is not fully
effective for about 4 weeks.

Gary

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From: "Rosenfeldt, Diane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:34 AM
Subject: RE: I really need some advice


>I forgot to mention, even though your vet may have
administered the
> in-house test correctly, that test sometimes shows
false positives (and
> negatives).  You should have Binxy retested using
the Western Blot,
> which is more accurate.
>
> Diane R.



 


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Re: re Foxy/ bad news

[Belinda Sauro]

  I'm not sure what kind of vet you are seeing but 10 is when a 
transfusin is very much considered, it usually isn't done when the HCT 
is higher than that.



10- even too low for a transfusion.


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Re: re Foxy/ bad news

[Belinda Sauro]

   Sally,
  If it is al all possible find another vet who is more knowledgable in 
treating FeLV this vet is pretty clueless.  An HCT of 10 is when a 
transfusion would be seriously considered not ruled out, that alone 
tells me this vet doesn't have the knowledge to help you.


Bailey started with an HCT of 20% at which point we ordered the epogen, 
by the time I got it his HCT had gone down to 18%, after two weeks of 
being on the epogen it was at 15%, it often takes epogen 3 weeks or even 
longer to kick in.  By week 3 his HCT was back up to 18% and went up 
from there.  When he passed of pancreatic cancer his HCT was a very 
healthy 33%, so he never became anemic after that.  The prednisolone may 
help but in order to build new red cells she needs vitb, iron and folic 
acid, all are needed to build new red cells.  Nutrived ahs all 3 and is 
fairly cheap, you can order it here:


http://www.calvetsupply.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=33

I order it for Fred my CRF furkid.  I have not found it cheaper anywhere 
else.


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Re: Zeus Please add to the CLS :(

[catatonya]

I'm so sorry, Sherry.
  t

Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well this was a bit of a shock for us. Zeus has been battling a URI and we 
have had to keep his nose clean all the time.He was one big boy with quite the 
cattitude.He would stalk me when I handed out individual feedings at Sids.He 
loved baby food!! I used to argue with him but then recently began a little bit 
of a friendship with him.He has been so sweet the last couple of weeks.He has 
been there longer than I have been volunteering,he will be missed by us all.I 
guess the infection moved into his brain.Bye sweet Zeus
  Sherry

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A few more facts

[buttonstc]

 
 When I wrote in yesterday, I was more in panic mode and not necessarily
 thinking too clearly. I appreciate the advice from all of those who
 responded and felt I should fill in the picture a little more. I have
 also followed up on all of the Iowa contacts and hope something can
 develop there. I was also contacted by a gentleman from the list here,
 Gary, and if we can get the transportation coordinated, that looks to
 be the best yet.

 God bless those of you who have dedicated your life to helping these
 Felv kitties. I've realized more than ever why it is pretty unrealistic
 of me to keep her.

The house in which I currently live is not mine---it is a shared housing
situation while I wait for my name to come up on one of the lists for
subsidized Senior housing to which I have applied. The rest of the house
would appreciate their bathroom back, which my landlord has informed me
about.

Caring indefinitely for a cat (or possibly two) with a major disease
such as this is totally unrealistic for a low-income Senior living on SS
only. Reading about the numerous tests, supplements, treatments, etc. it
is obvious how quickly things can add up. Realistically, it's just not
manageable for me at all.  For those of you in different circumstances,
I think it's wonderful that you have chosen to use the resources you
have to make a difference for these kitties.  

 My cat has not been vaccinated for this and even if she were, the
 vaccine is generally 90% effective. Even tho Velvet is currently
 healthy, that may not necessarily be the case and could change rapidly
 at any  time.  She is a very Senior cat at 17 yrs. old and has
 outlasted her two other "sisters" even with a heart murmur. However, I
 could not live with myself if she were in the unlucky 10% and ended up
 with this disease due to my decision to expose her to it.

  I guess I could be faulted by some for her not being vaccinated, but
  that's just a result of my risk-benefits ratio evaluation of
  vaccinations for adult cats in general (kittens with undeveloped
  immune systems is a totally different scenario) With the accumulating
  evidence for the various cancers  stemming from yearly vaccinations, I
  just felt that it was better for MY cats to by-pass being vaccinated
  for something they would not encounter. Other people do differently
  for their cats as is their right.

 For all the time I have had various cats over the years, they have
 always been totally indoor-only cats. It has always been a "closed
 system" The only way for them to be exposed to something is if I
 introduce it. And as unbelievable as it may sound, no cat of mine has
 gotten out of my door unawares even tho one was a dedicated escape
 artist who felt she just HAD to go thru every open door, even a closet
 door. :) Velvet has zero interest (I guess her time as a stray prior to
 the SPCA was enough of a trauma so the streets hold no allure.)


 The best and most realistic thing that I can do for Binxy is to make a
 reasonable attempt to find someone who can care for her and if that
 fails then be sure that she is euthanized peacefully via injection
 rather than that horrendous vaccuum chamber or gas which can cause such
 needless suffering.


For me to do otherwise would be just plain foolish---I can't spend money
I don't have to save one cat while there are probably hundreds, if not
thousands, of other healthy cats within an hours drive being euthanized
every day for no reason other than no more room or no more time. I can't
save all of them, but I can save one.  This is why I don't adopt
kittens--they have very little difficulty finding a home. Once they are
past the cute stage, very few potential adopters want to deal with them.

Anyhow, those are my thoughts after sleeping on it and thinking.  I will
do my best to find a caring and knowledgeable home for Binxy within the
next week. That's the primary reason I wrote to this list. I think you
folks who are raising these cats against great odds are wonderful, but I
just don't have the resources to be able to manage it. But, I'm an
optimist at heart and believe in the power of prayer and if it's meant
to be, then it will happen.

Thanks for caring.  Caroline


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RE: A few more facts

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

Caroline --

Of course you are making the right decision for both you and Binxy.
While money shouldn't have to be an object in pet care, it ALWAYS is,
and between the high-quality food, the supplements and the vet visits,
Binxy's care could eventually get costly, even if she's healthy now.  My
housemate and I both make reasonable lower-middle-class livings.  When
our Patches found us and tested positive, we couldn't abandon him, but
in the long run would have had a hard time paying for his care,
especially with 4 other cats needing vaccinations and their own care.
(As it turned out, we didn't have a long run with him, just under two
months.)  And of course there's the emotional toll, which everybody here
can relate to.

Likewise, nobody can fault or second-guess you on your avoidance of
vaccines.  There's some scary literature out there on that issue, and my
housemate and I have tried to avoid vaccinating our completely, forever
indoor cats, or at least vaccinating as often as the law would like.  As
you say, closed system.  

Here are big vibes that you find a great forever home for this sweet
baby.  (If the Iowa contacts don't pan out, you might check out places
like Best Friends -- other listmembers have had dealings with them and
other sanctuaries and can fill you in on them.)  Please let us know what
develops!

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 2:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: A few more facts

 
 When I wrote in yesterday, I was more in panic mode and not necessarily
 thinking too clearly. I appreciate the advice from all of those who
 responded and felt I should fill in the picture a little more. I have
 also followed up on all of the Iowa contacts and hope something can
 develop there. I was also contacted by a gentleman from the list here,
 Gary, and if we can get the transportation coordinated, that looks to
 be the best yet.

 God bless those of you who have dedicated your life to helping these
 Felv kitties. I've realized more than ever why it is pretty unrealistic
 of me to keep her.

The house in which I currently live is not mine---it is a shared housing
situation while I wait for my name to come up on one of the lists for
subsidized Senior housing to which I have applied. The rest of the house
would appreciate their bathroom back, which my landlord has informed me
about.

Caring indefinitely for a cat (or possibly two) with a major disease
such as this is totally unrealistic for a low-income Senior living on SS
only. Reading about the numerous tests, supplements, treatments, etc. it
is obvious how quickly things can add up. Realistically, it's just not
manageable for me at all.  For those of you in different circumstances,
I think it's wonderful that you have chosen to use the resources you
have to make a difference for these kitties.  

 My cat has not been vaccinated for this and even if she were, the
 vaccine is generally 90% effective. Even tho Velvet is currently
 healthy, that may not necessarily be the case and could change rapidly
 at any  time.  She is a very Senior cat at 17 yrs. old and has
 outlasted her two other "sisters" even with a heart murmur. However, I
 could not live with myself if she were in the unlucky 10% and ended up
 with this disease due to my decision to expose her to it.

  I guess I could be faulted by some for her not being vaccinated, but
  that's just a result of my risk-benefits ratio evaluation of
  vaccinations for adult cats in general (kittens with undeveloped
  immune systems is a totally different scenario) With the accumulating
  evidence for the various cancers  stemming from yearly vaccinations, I
  just felt that it was better for MY cats to by-pass being vaccinated
  for something they would not encounter. Other people do differently
  for their cats as is their right.

 For all the time I have had various cats over the years, they have
 always been totally indoor-only cats. It has always been a "closed
 system" The only way for them to be exposed to something is if I
 introduce it. And as unbelievable as it may sound, no cat of mine has
 gotten out of my door unawares even tho one was a dedicated escape
 artist who felt she just HAD to go thru every open door, even a closet
 door. :) Velvet has zero interest (I guess her time as a stray prior to
 the SPCA was enough of a trauma so the streets hold no allure.)


 The best and most realistic thing that I can do for Binxy is to make a
 reasonable attempt to find someone who can care for her and if that
 fails then be sure that she is euthanized peacefully via injection
 rather than that horrendous vaccuum chamber or gas which can cause such
 needless suffering.


For me to do otherwise would be just plain foolish---I can't spend money
I don't have to save one cat while there are probably hundreds, if not
thousands, of other healthy cats within an hours drive being eut

Re: A few more facts

[Lynne]

Caroline, I think you have thought this all out rationally and thoughtfully
and agree with everything you are doing.  God bless all those kind soles who
take care of these afflicted animals but not everyone can do it.  We only
had ours for a month and the cost of treatment was well over a thousand
dollars.  Thankfully I work and my husband has a good pension but honestly I
couldn't have kept this up much longer.  Oddly enough the euthanization was
the most expensive procedure done.  Many Felv positive cats can live long
happy and healthy lives but others like ours don't and you are faced with
the decision as to how much pain you can endure and how much financial
burden you can handle.

In your situation I fully support your decision to let this cat go,
hopefully to a loving family but if not please do not feel guilty about what
you are doing.  It's just a harsh fact of life.

Lynne
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 2:17 PM
Subject: A few more facts


>
>  When I wrote in yesterday, I was more in panic mode and not necessarily
>  thinking too clearly. I appreciate the advice from all of those who
>  responded and felt I should fill in the picture a little more. I have
>  also followed up on all of the Iowa contacts and hope something can
>  develop there. I was also contacted by a gentleman from the list here,
>  Gary, and if we can get the transportation coordinated, that looks to
>  be the best yet.
>
>  God bless those of you who have dedicated your life to helping these
>  Felv kitties. I've realized more than ever why it is pretty unrealistic
>  of me to keep her.
>
> The house in which I currently live is not mine---it is a shared housing
> situation while I wait for my name to come up on one of the lists for
> subsidized Senior housing to which I have applied. The rest of the house
> would appreciate their bathroom back, which my landlord has informed me
> about.
>
> Caring indefinitely for a cat (or possibly two) with a major disease
> such as this is totally unrealistic for a low-income Senior living on SS
> only. Reading about the numerous tests, supplements, treatments, etc. it
> is obvious how quickly things can add up. Realistically, it's just not
> manageable for me at all.  For those of you in different circumstances,
> I think it's wonderful that you have chosen to use the resources you
> have to make a difference for these kitties.
>
>  My cat has not been vaccinated for this and even if she were, the
>  vaccine is generally 90% effective. Even tho Velvet is currently
>  healthy, that may not necessarily be the case and could change rapidly
>  at any  time.  She is a very Senior cat at 17 yrs. old and has
>  outlasted her two other "sisters" even with a heart murmur. However, I
>  could not live with myself if she were in the unlucky 10% and ended up
>  with this disease due to my decision to expose her to it.
>
>   I guess I could be faulted by some for her not being vaccinated, but
>   that's just a result of my risk-benefits ratio evaluation of
>   vaccinations for adult cats in general (kittens with undeveloped
>   immune systems is a totally different scenario) With the accumulating
>   evidence for the various cancers  stemming from yearly vaccinations, I
>   just felt that it was better for MY cats to by-pass being vaccinated
>   for something they would not encounter. Other people do differently
>   for their cats as is their right.
>
>  For all the time I have had various cats over the years, they have
>  always been totally indoor-only cats. It has always been a "closed
>  system" The only way for them to be exposed to something is if I
>  introduce it. And as unbelievable as it may sound, no cat of mine has
>  gotten out of my door unawares even tho one was a dedicated escape
>  artist who felt she just HAD to go thru every open door, even a closet
>  door. :) Velvet has zero interest (I guess her time as a stray prior to
>  the SPCA was enough of a trauma so the streets hold no allure.)
>
>
>  The best and most realistic thing that I can do for Binxy is to make a
>  reasonable attempt to find someone who can care for her and if that
>  fails then be sure that she is euthanized peacefully via injection
>  rather than that horrendous vaccuum chamber or gas which can cause such
>  needless suffering.
>
>
> For me to do otherwise would be just plain foolish---I can't spend money
> I don't have to save one cat while there are probably hundreds, if not
> thousands, of other healthy cats within an hours drive being euthanized
> every day for no reason other than no more room or no more time. I can't
> save all of them, but I can save one.  This is why I don't adopt
> kittens--they have very little difficulty finding a home. Once they are
> past the cute stage, very few potential adopters want to deal with them.
>
> Anyhow, those are my thoughts after sleeping on it and thinking.  I will
> do my best to find a caring and knowledg

Another Important Question

[buttonstc]

 One of the ladies in Iowa to whom I spoke mentioned the possibility
 that Binxy may only be a carrier of the disease since she is four yrs.
 old and healthy.

 So, is there any way (other than the passage of time) to definitively
 determine whether she is just a carrier? 

 And, am I correct in the assumption that being a carrier only would
 give her the same life expectancy as any other cat who does not carry
 this virus?  Or can a cat convert from being just a carrier to being
 actively infected for whatever reason?---just trying to get my facts
 straight.

Thanks. Caroline
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RE: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 38, Issue 23

[designercats]

Hi Wendy,
Thanks for asking. Cami is better. It's been a long rough road so far for these 
magnificent 7. All are better now and I'm close to $5000. poorer. Of course 
this includes neutering, spaying, blood panels, dentals and numerous 
extractions for infected teeth, vaxing, ear flushing, meds, etc., etc.. Whew! 
And of course I'm exhausted... I will keep them until they get tested again and 
then try to find forever homes for at least some of the negatives. 
Cami still gets long acting injectable antibiotics twice weekly. We tried the 
injectable tetracycline a while back and almost lost him. He was then extremely 
ill for days. I've been giving him Transfer Factor Plus Tri Factor also along 
with numerous supplements and vit B12 and everything combined seems to have 
kicked in his immune system finally. He has a heart murmur also - the vet 
thinks the systemic infection he had damaged his valves. When he's stronger, 
he'll have a cardiac ultrasound. Each one of them has minor relapses with URI's 
but are over them within a few days now.  
The ones that came up FeLV negative also had really horrible blood panels with 
low red blood cell counts, etc. I have had the negatives vaxed twice now and 
will get all retested in a few months.
I have been reading the archives and learning a lot. I have kept 5 and now 6 of 
the 7 together. They were sheltered together and 2 (1 positive and 1 negative) 
of them survived by physically taking care of each other there so I can't  
separate those 2. They sleep together, comfort each other, etc.. I have been so 
torn about that. The negative one is a dwarf.
 
I live in the lower mainland of BC Canada close to the border. If there is 
anyone on this list who lives in the area and has a vet who is very FeLV 
knowledgeable, please let me know.
Immulan isn't available in Canada but my vet is right on the border (Zero ave) 
and will get it for me. I understand it's very expensive but I'm sure it's 
cheaper than treating the illnesses associated. If anyone has any experience 
with Immulan (positive or negative), I'd love to hear it.
If anyone has any advice, ideas, etc. please pass it on to me. For those who 
use DMG, how much do you give? 
Thanks
El
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RE: Another Important Question

[Chris]

Here's the thing FELV actually is not fatal in it of itself.  Rather, it
can cause suppression of the immune system and a cat can then die from
complications of other diseases.  Example--I believe that kittens who are
positive are at higher risk of succumbing to Upper Respiratory
Infections--infections from which they might well recover were their immune
system not compromised.  Older cats seem to be more at risk of getting
certain lymphomas, have problems with anemia, etc.  But again, nothing is
certain...

I have 2 FELV+ cats one of whom, Tucson, lived with my 3 negatives for 5
years before I knew she was even positive.  They all groomed each other,
occasionally swatted each other, used the same litter boxes, shared
food/water dishes, toys, etc.  For me, I knew I couldn't separate them and
vaccinated the non-positives and just went on as usual==that was almost 4
years ago and everybody's still fine.  I do give them some higher quality
food, Wellness, but that's more because a couple are real porkos and I was
trying to get away from too much dry food and too many fillers.  My second
FElV+, Romeo, is a stray that I'd been feeding outside for a couple of
years--I never dreamed he was positive as I had never seen him sick.  He's
probably the oldest of my brood and he's had some gum problems which we
handled with antibiotics--not very costly. When I first found out my Tucson
was positive, I ran to the vet every two seconds--but after a while, I
calmed down.  Many people on this board take in positive kittens and sadly,
those I think, are at highest risk.  I had my Tucson since she was a kitten
but clearly, she got through the most critical period and is now her hefty
18 lbs and a cantankerous calico to boot!  

I've not done interferon and outside of some relatively inexpensive
supplements that I periodically try to get into their food, I haven't done
much different than if they were all negative.  I know the personality of
these two, and I know that if things do go bad, it would be more hurtful to
subject them to too much--they're just those kinds of cats.  

Outside cats, clearly, have more problems cause they're much more likely to
get worn down, to not be as well fed, to be in the cold, etc.  Inside, with
some decent food, they've got a good chance of just living regular lives.
Of course, anything can happen but the way I look at it, anything can happen
with my negative cats too.  

Christiane Biagi
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Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 7:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Another Important Question


 One of the ladies in Iowa to whom I spoke mentioned the possibility
 that Binxy may only be a carrier of the disease since she is four yrs.
 old and healthy.

 So, is there any way (other than the passage of time) to definitively
 determine whether she is just a carrier? 

 And, am I correct in the assumption that being a carrier only would
 give her the same life expectancy as any other cat who does not carry
 this virus?  Or can a cat convert from being just a carrier to being
 actively infected for whatever reason?---just trying to get my facts
 straight.

Thanks. Caroline
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Re: re Foxy/ bad news

[Sally Davis]

I think you meant this for Kathy. Junior lived 1.5 years his HCT after the
immunoregulin was 30.

Sally

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   Sally,
>  If it is al all possible find another vet who is more knowledgable in
> treating FeLV this vet is pretty clueless.  An HCT of 10 is when a
> transfusion would be seriously considered not ruled out, that alone tells me
> this vet doesn't have the knowledge to help you.
>
> Bailey started with an HCT of 20% at which point we ordered the epogen, by
> the time I got it his HCT had gone down to 18%, after two weeks of being on
> the epogen it was at 15%, it often takes epogen 3 weeks or even longer to
> kick in.  By week 3 his HCT was back up to 18% and went up from there.  When
> he passed of pancreatic cancer his HCT was a very healthy 33%, so he never
> became anemic after that.  The prednisolone may help but in order to build
> new red cells she needs vitb, iron and folic acid, all are needed to build
> new red cells.  Nutrived ahs all 3 and is fairly cheap, you can order it
> here:
>
> http://www.calvetsupply.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=33
>
> I order it for Fred my CRF furkid.  I have not found it cheaper anywhere
> else.
>
> How is the baby today?
>
>
> --
>
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Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket

[Sharyl]

Thanks Gloria.  So far it looks like the best I'm going to be able to do on the 
neutering is $100.   There is a chance the Tidewater SPCA Neuter Scooter will 
come over to the Eastern Shore and I could save $25.  I can afford to care for 
the 2 I have rescued.  I'll have to work on colony one cat at a time as my 
budget allows.  I am trying to recruit local sponsors to help with the cost.  
Local SPCA doesn't believe in TNR for ferals.  I just don't want to have to 
tell the vet anything when I bring in a colony kitty.  
  Sharyl Sissy and Rocket

Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  That's wonderful that you're doing this.  Would be nice if you could find a 
low-cost spay neuter clinic, or a free service, to help fund the neutering.  RE 
your question about telling the vet, I don't know.   If 2 are positive, still 
doesn't mean all the others are, although of course there's a chance. Any vet 
should be aware that if the kitty hasn't been tested, there's a potential for 
FELV or FIV.  Neutering is the key to preventing the spread of this, as I 
understand.   Least my take on it.   Hope you find a good option for low cost 
or free neutering.  

  Gloria
  

  
  On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Sharyl wrote:
I had been feeding a group of dumpster 8 kittens and ended up rescuing 2, 
Sissy and Rocket, when they were about 12 weeks old.  On their 1st vet visit 
both tested FeLV+.  I will have both retested the end of April to see if they 
are still positive.  I have them quarantined in my garage.   They are eating 
Iams canned kitten food supplemented with a Super B Complex, Lactoferrin and 
DMG.   So far they are responding well and seem very healthy.  Both have had 
their kitten shots and been wormed.
   
  If they stay positive I will either find a forever home for them or build an 
enclosure onto the garage for them.  I have 2 indoor kitties and one has CRF so 
am concerned about bringing them into the house.
   
  My questions concern the rest of the colony which includes at least 4 adults. 
 I can not take all of them in.  My plan had been to TNR the colony 
(trap/neuter/release). The vet is recommending euthanizing the entire colony if 
these 2 stay positive.  I am not sure where I will be able to get then neutered 
if they are positive.  And I can not trap them just to have them euthanized.  
That may be the best thing to do but I just can't do it.  Is there any info on 
how to deal with a FeLV+ feral colony?  Any advise on how to get them neutered? 
 Am I obligated to tell the vet about the potential for FeLV when having them 
neutered?
   
  Sharyl Sissy and Rocket
  ES of VA
  

  
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Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket

[Sally Davis]

too bad you are not closer to Richmond Va. They have a low cost clinic that
spays for $35.00 and neuter is 25.00. I think they do Ferals for free. I
understand there is also a program that does ferals on weekends free. I get
all my cats fixed at Prevent a Litter, the low cost clinic. I will have to
check with a cat rescue person on the other place. I do not deal with feral
so I do not qualify. Still it is in RIchmond.

Sally

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks Gloria.  So far it looks like the best I'm going to be able to do
> on the neutering is $100.   There is a chance the Tidewater SPCA Neuter
> Scooter will come over to the Eastern Shore and I could save $25.  I can
> afford to care for the 2 I have rescued.  I'll have to work on colony one
> cat at a time as my budget allows.  I am trying to recruit local sponsors to
> help with the cost.  Local SPCA doesn't believe in TNR for ferals.  I just
> don't want to have to tell the vet anything when I bring in a colony kitty.
>
> Sharyl Sissy and Rocket
>
>
> *Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
> That's wonderful that you're doing this.  Would be nice if you could find
> a low-cost spay neuter clinic, or a free service, to help fund the
> neutering.  RE your question about telling the vet, I don't know.   If 2 are
> positive, still doesn't mean all the others are, although of course there's
> a chance. Any vet should be aware that if the kitty hasn't been tested,
> there's a potential for FELV or FIV.  Neutering is the key to preventing the
> spread of this, as I understand.   Least my take on it.   Hope you find a
> good option for low cost or free neutering.
> Gloria
>
>
> On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Sharyl wrote:
>
> I had been feeding a group of dumpster 8 kittens and ended up rescuing 2,
> Sissy and Rocket, when they were about 12 weeks old.  On their 1st vet visit
> both tested FeLV+.  I will have both retested the end of April to see if
> they are still positive.  I have them quarantined in my garage.   They are
> eating Iams canned kitten food supplemented with a Super B Complex,
> Lactoferrin and DMG.   So far they are responding well and seem very
> healthy.  Both have had their kitten shots and been wormed.
>
> If they stay positive I will either find a forever home for them or build
> an enclosure onto the garage for them.  I have 2 indoor kitties and one has
> CRF so am concerned about bringing them into the house.
>
> My questions concern the rest of the colony which includes at least 4
> adults.  I can not take all of them in.  My plan had been to TNR the colony
> (trap/neuter/release). The vet is recommending euthanizing the entire colony
> if these 2 stay positive.  I am not sure where I will be able to get then
> neutered if they are positive.  And I can not trap them just to have them
> euthanized.  That may be the best thing to do but I just can't do it.  Is
> there any info on how to deal with a FeLV+ feral colony?  Any advise on how
> to get them neutered?  Am I obligated to tell the vet about the potential
> for FeLV when having them neutered?
>
> Sharyl Sissy and Rocket
> ES of VA
>
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Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket

[Gloria B. Lane]

Where are you in VA, Sharyl?  Gotta be some better resources for s/n...

Gloria
in Arkansas

At 08:25 PM 4/2/2008, you wrote:
too bad you are not closer to Richmond Va. They have a low cost 
clinic that spays for $35.00 and neuter is 25.00. I think they do 
Ferals for free. I understand there is also a program that does 
ferals on weekends free. I get all my cats fixed at Prevent a 
Litter, the low cost clinic. I will have to check with a cat rescue 
person on the other place. I do not deal with feral so I do not 
qualify. Still it is in RIchmond.


Sally

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Sharyl 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks Gloria.  So far it looks like the best I'm going to be able 
to do on the neutering is $100.   There is a chance the Tidewater 
SPCA Neuter Scooter will come over to the Eastern Shore and I could 
save $25.  I can afford to care for the 2 I have rescued.  I'll have 
to work on colony one cat at a time as my budget allows.  I am 
trying to recruit local sponsors to help with the cost.  Local SPCA 
doesn't believe in TNR for ferals.  I just don't want to have to 
tell the vet anything when I bring in a colony kitty.

Sharyl Sissy and Rocket


Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
That's wonderful that you're doing this.  Would be nice if you could 
find a low-cost spay neuter clinic, or a free service, to help fund 
the neutering.  RE your question about telling the vet, I don't 
know.   If 2 are positive, still doesn't mean all the others are, 
although of course there's a chance. Any vet should be aware that if 
the kitty hasn't been tested, there's a potential for FELV or 
FIV.  Neutering is the key to preventing the spread of this, as I 
understand.   Least my take on it.   Hope you find a good option for 
low cost or free neutering.


Gloria


On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Sharyl wrote:
I had been feeding a group of dumpster 8 kittens and ended up 
rescuing 2, Sissy and Rocket, when they were about 12 weeks 
old.  On their 1st vet visit both tested FeLV+.  I will have both 
retested the end of April to see if they are still positive.  I 
have them quarantined in my garage.   They are eating Iams canned 
kitten food supplemented with a Super B Complex, Lactoferrin and 
DMG.   So far they are responding well and seem very healthy.  Both 
have had their kitten shots and been wormed.


If they stay positive I will either find a forever home for them or 
build an enclosure onto the garage for them.  I have 2 indoor 
kitties and one has CRF so am concerned about bringing them into the house.


My questions concern the rest of the colony which includes at least 
4 adults.  I can not take all of them in.  My plan had been to TNR 
the colony (trap/neuter/release). The vet is recommending 
euthanizing the entire colony if these 2 stay positive.  I am not 
sure where I will be able to get then neutered if they are 
positive.  And I can not trap them just to have them 
euthanized.  That may be the best thing to do but I just can't do 
it.  Is there any info on how to deal with a FeLV+ feral 
colony?  Any advise on how to get them neutered?  Am I obligated to 
tell the vet about the potential for FeLV when having them neutered?


Sharyl Sissy and Rocket
ES of VA


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Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket

[Gloria B. Lane]

Where are you in VA, Sharyl?  Gotta be some better resources for s/n...

Gloria
in Arkansas

At 08:25 PM 4/2/2008, you wrote:
too bad you are not closer to Richmond Va. They have a low cost 
clinic that spays for $35.00 and neuter is 25.00. I think they do 
Ferals for free. I understand there is also a program that does 
ferals on weekends free. I get all my cats fixed at Prevent a 
Litter, the low cost clinic. I will have to check with a cat rescue 
person on the other place. I do not deal with feral so I do not 
qualify. Still it is in RIchmond.


Sally

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Sharyl 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks Gloria.  So far it looks like the best I'm going to be able 
to do on the neutering is $100.   There is a chance the Tidewater 
SPCA Neuter Scooter will come over to the Eastern Shore and I could 
save $25.  I can afford to care for the 2 I have rescued.  I'll have 
to work on colony one cat at a time as my budget allows.  I am 
trying to recruit local sponsors to help with the cost.  Local SPCA 
doesn't believe in TNR for ferals.  I just don't want to have to 
tell the vet anything when I bring in a colony kitty.

Sharyl Sissy and Rocket


Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
That's wonderful that you're doing this.  Would be nice if you could 
find a low-cost spay neuter clinic, or a free service, to help fund 
the neutering.  RE your question about telling the vet, I don't 
know.   If 2 are positive, still doesn't mean all the others are, 
although of course there's a chance. Any vet should be aware that if 
the kitty hasn't been tested, there's a potential for FELV or 
FIV.  Neutering is the key to preventing the spread of this, as I 
understand.   Least my take on it.   Hope you find a good option for 
low cost or free neutering.


Gloria


On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Sharyl wrote:
I had been feeding a group of dumpster 8 kittens and ended up 
rescuing 2, Sissy and Rocket, when they were about 12 weeks 
old.  On their 1st vet visit both tested FeLV+.  I will have both 
retested the end of April to see if they are still positive.  I 
have them quarantined in my garage.   They are eating Iams canned 
kitten food supplemented with a Super B Complex, Lactoferrin and 
DMG.   So far they are responding well and seem very healthy.  Both 
have had their kitten shots and been wormed.


If they stay positive I will either find a forever home for them or 
build an enclosure onto the garage for them.  I have 2 indoor 
kitties and one has CRF so am concerned about bringing them into the house.


My questions concern the rest of the colony which includes at least 
4 adults.  I can not take all of them in.  My plan had been to TNR 
the colony (trap/neuter/release). The vet is recommending 
euthanizing the entire colony if these 2 stay positive.  I am not 
sure where I will be able to get then neutered if they are 
positive.  And I can not trap them just to have them 
euthanized.  That may be the best thing to do but I just can't do 
it.  Is there any info on how to deal with a FeLV+ feral 
colony?  Any advise on how to get them neutered?  Am I obligated to 
tell the vet about the potential for FeLV when having them neutered?


Sharyl Sissy and Rocket
ES of VA


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Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket

[Sally Davis]

Hi Gloria

She is somewhere on the Eastern SHore of VA. It is mostly rual not large
cities at all.

Sally

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Re: Introducing Sissy and Rocket

[Marylyn]

Is there a version of Alley Cat Advocates in the area?  They are  
nationwide and s/n ferals.  This is the website for the Louisville Ky  
ACA.  http://www.alleycatadvocates.org/


Obviously they are not in your area but they may be able to tell you  
if there is a branch in your area.  It takes a little while for them  
to get back to you.  It is all volunteer.  You might Google for feral  
cat organizations and TNR.


Good luck.
On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote:

Where are you in VA, Sharyl?  Gotta be some better resources for s/ 
n...


Gloria
in Arkansas

At 08:25 PM 4/2/2008, you wrote:
too bad you are not closer to Richmond Va. They have a low cost  
clinic that spays for $35.00 and neuter is 25.00. I think they do  
Ferals for free. I understand there is also a program that does  
ferals on weekends free. I get all my cats fixed at Prevent a  
Litter, the low cost clinic. I will have to check with a cat rescue  
person on the other place. I do not deal with feral so I do not  
qualify. Still it is in RIchmond.


Sally

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:
Thanks Gloria.  So far it looks like the best I'm going to be able  
to do on the neutering is $100.   There is a chance the Tidewater  
SPCA Neuter Scooter will come over to the Eastern Shore and I could  
save $25.  I can afford to care for the 2 I have rescued.  I'll  
have to work on colony one cat at a time as my budget allows.  I am  
trying to recruit local sponsors to help with the cost.  Local SPCA  
doesn't believe in TNR for ferals.  I just don't want to have to  
tell the vet anything when I bring in a colony kitty.

Sharyl Sissy and Rocket


Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:
That's wonderful that you're doing this.  Would be nice if you  
could find a low-cost spay neuter clinic, or a free service, to  
help fund the neutering.  RE your question about telling the vet, I  
don't know.   If 2 are positive, still doesn't mean all the others  
are, although of course there's a chance. Any vet should be aware  
that if the kitty hasn't been tested, there's a potential for FELV  
or FIV.  Neutering is the key to preventing the spread of this, as  
I understand.   Least my take on it.   Hope you find a good option  
for low cost or free neutering.


Gloria


On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Sharyl wrote:
I had been feeding a group of dumpster 8 kittens and ended up  
rescuing 2, Sissy and Rocket, when they were about 12 weeks old.   
On their 1st vet visit both tested FeLV+.  I will have both  
retested the end of April to see if they are still positive.  I  
have them quarantined in my garage.   They are eating Iams canned  
kitten food supplemented with a Super B Complex, Lactoferrin and  
DMG.   So far they are responding well and seem very healthy.   
Both have had their kitten shots and been wormed.


If they stay positive I will either find a forever home for them  
or build an enclosure onto the garage for them.  I have 2 indoor  
kitties and one has CRF so am concerned about bringing them into  
the house.


My questions concern the rest of the colony which includes at  
least 4 adults.  I can not take all of them in.  My plan had been  
to TNR the colony (trap/neuter/release). The vet is recommending  
euthanizing the entire colony if these 2 stay positive.  I am not  
sure where I will be able to get then neutered if they are  
positive.  And I can not trap them just to have them euthanized.   
That may be the best thing to do but I just can't do it.  Is there  
any info on how to deal with a FeLV+ feral colony?  Any advise on  
how to get them neutered?  Am I obligated to tell the vet about  
the potential for FeLV when having them neutered?


Sharyl Sissy and Rocket
ES of VA


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Re: Another Important Question

[laurieskatz]

I never had to do one thing for FeLV+ Squeaky. He had no symptoms. Stripes 
had a cold from time to time. They tested positive in 1985, 2 years after I 
adopted them. When they tested positive, Stripes was 11 and Squeaky was 10. 
I was their second guardian and they were always inside and my only cats. 
No one was too excited about it and no one suggested anything special. They 
did fine.
Isabella, after her first sick months has been the picture of health. We do 
give some meds and interferon but are in the process of weaning her off 
meds.

L

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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 6:28 PM
Subject: RE: Another Important Question


Here's the thing FELV actually is not fatal in it of itself.  Rather, 
it

can cause suppression of the immune system and a cat can then die from
complications of other diseases.  Example--I believe that kittens who are
positive are at higher risk of succumbing to Upper Respiratory
Infections--infections from which they might well recover were their 
immune

system not compromised.  Older cats seem to be more at risk of getting
certain lymphomas, have problems with anemia, etc.  But again, nothing is
certain...

I have 2 FELV+ cats one of whom, Tucson, lived with my 3 negatives for 5
years before I knew she was even positive.  They all groomed each other,
occasionally swatted each other, used the same litter boxes, shared
food/water dishes, toys, etc.  For me, I knew I couldn't separate them and
vaccinated the non-positives and just went on as usual==that was almost 4
years ago and everybody's still fine.  I do give them some higher quality
food, Wellness, but that's more because a couple are real porkos and I was
trying to get away from too much dry food and too many fillers.  My second
FElV+, Romeo, is a stray that I'd been feeding outside for a couple of
years--I never dreamed he was positive as I had never seen him sick.  He's
probably the oldest of my brood and he's had some gum problems which we
handled with antibiotics--not very costly. When I first found out my 
Tucson

was positive, I ran to the vet every two seconds--but after a while, I
calmed down.  Many people on this board take in positive kittens and 
sadly,
those I think, are at highest risk.  I had my Tucson since she was a 
kitten

but clearly, she got through the most critical period and is now her hefty
18 lbs and a cantankerous calico to boot!

I've not done interferon and outside of some relatively inexpensive
supplements that I periodically try to get into their food, I haven't done
much different than if they were all negative.  I know the personality of
these two, and I know that if things do go bad, it would be more hurtful 
to

subject them to too much--they're just those kinds of cats.

Outside cats, clearly, have more problems cause they're much more likely 
to
get worn down, to not be as well fed, to be in the cold, etc.  Inside, 
with

some decent food, they've got a good chance of just living regular lives.
Of course, anything can happen but the way I look at it, anything can 
happen

with my negative cats too.

Christiane Biagi
914-632-4672
Cell:  913-720-6888
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Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 7:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Another Important Question


One of the ladies in Iowa to whom I spoke mentioned the possibility
that Binxy may only be a carrier of the disease since she is four yrs.
old and healthy.

So, is there any way (other than the passage of time) to definitively
determine whether she is just a carrier?

And, am I correct in the assumption that being a carrier only would
give her the same life expectancy as any other cat who does not carry
this virus?  Or can a cat convert from being just a carrier to being
actively infected for whatever reason?---just trying to get my facts
straight.

Thanks. Caroline
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Re: Another Important Question

[laurieskatz]

Squeaky was a carrier. The virus was in his bone marrow. He lived to age 22, 
symptom free until his final 3 weeks of life.

Laurie
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 5:27 PM
Subject: Another Important Question




One of the ladies in Iowa to whom I spoke mentioned the possibility
that Binxy may only be a carrier of the disease since she is four yrs.
old and healthy.

So, is there any way (other than the passage of time) to definitively
determine whether she is just a carrier?

And, am I correct in the assumption that being a carrier only would
give her the same life expectancy as any other cat who does not carry
this virus?  Or can a cat convert from being just a carrier to being
actively infected for whatever reason?---just trying to get my facts
straight.

Thanks. Caroline
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Re: Another Important Question

[Marylyn]

If it is any help:  Dixie Louise has lived with me for appx 3 years.   
She showed up at my Mom's (as do lots of cats) for food and shelter.   
She stayed there for a while until I decided to spay her with the aim  
of taking her to the farm I was/am trying to build a house on.  She is  
very healthyespecially now that she has good food and is an indoor  
cat.  She was going to be an outside cat but, when she tested FeLV+  
before she was spayed, that changed.  She has a little trouble with  
her teeth and gums but that may well be from her past, little or no  
medical attention and poor food.  No  one knows how long she was on  
her own but she was at Mom's for several months and was in rotten  
shape when she came there.  My vets gave me the options for her when  
she was tested and were extremely relieved when killing her was taken  
off the table.  If she seems off for any reason I take or at least  
consult either my regular vets or one of the holistic vets who treat  
her (which depends on what seems to be going on).


I would not have missed a minute with her.  She is so dear.

Good luck and blessings to you for caring.  Only you can decide what  
to do.

On Apr 2, 2008, at 9:21 PM, laurieskatz wrote:

I never had to do one thing for FeLV+ Squeaky. He had no symptoms.  
Stripes had a cold from time to time. They tested positive in 1985,  
2 years after I adopted them. When they tested positive, Stripes was  
11 and Squeaky was 10. I was their second guardian and they were  
always inside and my only cats. No one was too excited about it and  
no one suggested anything special. They did fine.
Isabella, after her first sick months has been the picture of  
health. We do give some meds and interferon but are in the process  
of weaning her off meds.

L

- Original Message - From: "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 6:28 PM
Subject: RE: Another Important Question


Here's the thing FELV actually is not fatal in it of itself.   
Rather, it
can cause suppression of the immune system and a cat can then die  
from
complications of other diseases.  Example--I believe that kittens  
who are

positive are at higher risk of succumbing to Upper Respiratory
Infections--infections from which they might well recover were  
their immune
system not compromised.  Older cats seem to be more at risk of  
getting
certain lymphomas, have problems with anemia, etc.  But again,  
nothing is

certain...

I have 2 FELV+ cats one of whom, Tucson, lived with my 3 negatives  
for 5
years before I knew she was even positive.  They all groomed each  
other,

occasionally swatted each other, used the same litter boxes, shared
food/water dishes, toys, etc.  For me, I knew I couldn't separate  
them and
vaccinated the non-positives and just went on as usual==that was  
almost 4
years ago and everybody's still fine.  I do give them some higher  
quality
food, Wellness, but that's more because a couple are real porkos  
and I was
trying to get away from too much dry food and too many fillers.  My  
second
FElV+, Romeo, is a stray that I'd been feeding outside for a couple  
of
years--I never dreamed he was positive as I had never seen him  
sick.  He's
probably the oldest of my brood and he's had some gum problems  
which we
handled with antibiotics--not very costly. When I first found out  
my Tucson
was positive, I ran to the vet every two seconds--but after a  
while, I
calmed down.  Many people on this board take in positive kittens  
and sadly,
those I think, are at highest risk.  I had my Tucson since she was  
a kitten
but clearly, she got through the most critical period and is now  
her hefty

18 lbs and a cantankerous calico to boot!

I've not done interferon and outside of some relatively inexpensive
supplements that I periodically try to get into their food, I  
haven't done
much different than if they were all negative.  I know the  
personality of
these two, and I know that if things do go bad, it would be more  
hurtful to

subject them to too much--they're just those kinds of cats.

Outside cats, clearly, have more problems cause they're much more  
likely to
get worn down, to not be as well fed, to be in the cold, etc.   
Inside, with
some decent food, they've got a good chance of just living regular  
lives.
Of course, anything can happen but the way I look at it, anything  
can happen

with my negative cats too.

Christiane Biagi
914-632-4672
Cell:  913-720-6888
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Subject: Another Important Question


One of the ladies in Iowa to whom I spoke mentioned the possibility
that Binxy may only be a carrier of the disease since she is four  
yrs.

old and healthy.

So, is there any way (other than the passage of time) to definitively
determine whether she is just a carrier?

And, am I co

Unresponsive URI

[designercats]

Sorry, I messed up the subject box - too tired.


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23Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:48:15 -0700


Hi Wendy,Thanks for asking. Cami is better. It's been a long rough road so far 
for these magnificent 7. All are better now and I'm close to $5000. poorer. Of 
course this includes neutering, spaying, blood panels, dentals and numerous 
extractions for infected teeth, vaxing, ear flushing, meds, etc., etc.. Whew! 
And of course I'm exhausted... I will keep them until they get tested again and 
then try to find forever homes for at least some of the negatives. Cami still 
gets long acting injectable antibiotics twice weekly. We tried the injectable 
tetracycline a while back and almost lost him. He was then extremely ill for 
days. I've been giving him Transfer Factor Plus Tri Factor also along with 
numerous supplements and vit B12 and everything combined seems to have kicked 
in his immune system finally. He has a heart murmur also - the vet thinks the 
systemic infection he had damaged his valves. When he's stronger, he'll have a 
cardiac ultrasound. Each one of them has minor relapses with URI's but are over 
them within a few days now.  The ones that came up FeLV negative also had 
really horrible blood panels with low red blood cell counts, etc. I have had 
the negatives vaxed twice now and will get all retested in a few months.I have 
been reading the archives and learning a lot. I have kept 5 and now 6 of the 7 
together. They were sheltered together and 2 (1 positive and 1 negative) of 
them survived by physically taking care of each other there so I can't  
separate those 2. They sleep together, comfort each other, etc.. I have been so 
torn about that. The negative one is a dwarf. I live in the lower mainland of 
BC Canada close to the border. If there is anyone on this list who lives in the 
area and has a vet who is very FeLV knowledgeable, please let me know.Immulan 
isn't available in Canada but my vet is right on the border (Zero ave) and will 
get it for me. I understand it's very expensive but I'm sure it's cheaper than 
treating the illnesses associated. If anyone has any experience with Immulan 
(positive or negative), I'd love to hear it.If anyone has any advice, ideas, 
etc. please pass it on to me. For those who use DMG, how much do you give? 
ThanksEl> Message: 1> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:35:49 -0700 (PDT)> From: wendy 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: Re: Unresponsive URI> To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Content-Type: 
text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > How is your baby doing, El?> > > "Never doubt 
that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - 
indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~> > > 

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