[Felvtalk] Feluk positive kitty
We just rescued a Feluk + kitty and are fostering him for two weeks until he is past his 14 day quarantine and goes to another foster home. My question is this, we have 28 cats (yep, that's a LOT of cats) and we will keep him in the study during this time. However, I have had several people say oh you need to throw everything away and bleach everything down when he is gone or you will transmit it to your cats and it is my understanding that the virus is fragile when outside it's living host and therefore, I would thinlk that a good cleaning and some time (i.e. a week or two) would be sufficient before letting our cats back into the study. Thoughts? We have wood floors but there is a rug, chair and cat condos in there (which can be removed, of course). Thanks, Edna (713) 882-2011 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feluk positive kitty
SCHWEET, thanks :) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:52:55 -0700 From: cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feluk positive kitty Edna, 1st thanks for fostering this little guy. It is amazing how mixed folks can get. The FeLV virus only lives for minutes to hours outside of the body. A normal cleaning is all you need to do. Sharyl --- On Fri, 9/24/10, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Feluk positive kitty To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 2:06 PM We just rescued a Feluk + kitty and are fostering him for two weeks until he is past his 14 day quarantine and goes to another foster home. My question is this, we have 28 cats (yep, that's a LOT of cats) and we will keep him in the study during this time. However, I have had several people say oh you need to throw everything away and bleach everything down when he is gone or you will transmit it to your cats and it is my understanding that the virus is fragile when outside it's living host and therefore, I would thinlk that a good cleaning and some time (i.e. a week or two) would be sufficient before letting our cats back into the study. Thoughts? We have wood floors but there is a rug, chair and cat condos in there (which can be removed, of course). Thanks, Edna (713) 882-2011 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feluk positive kitty
Thanks Beth, I figured as much because I deal with people freaking out about FIV all the time and I don't even consider FIV an issue. Edna To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org From: create_me_...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 00:48:25 + Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feluk positive kitty No need to throw anything out. I don't even wash the carriers. These myths infuriate me! Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:06:38 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Feluk positive kitty We just rescued a Feluk + kitty and are fostering him for two weeks until he is past his 14 day quarantine and goes to another foster home. My question is this, we have 28 cats (yep, that's a LOT of cats) and we will keep him in the study during this time. However, I have had several people say oh you need to throw everything away and bleach everything down when he is gone or you will transmit it to your cats and it is my understanding that the virus is fragile when outside it's living host and therefore, I would thinlk that a good cleaning and some time (i.e. a week or two) would be sufficient before letting our cats back into the study. Thoughts? We have wood floors but there is a rug, chair and cat condos in there (which can be removed, of course). Thanks, Edna (713) 882-2011 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV testing protocols
I had a single kitten with ringworm so bad that she even lost her whiskers and we called her PJ for Piranha Jane because all she did was bite bite bite bite ;) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 23:30:56 -0400 From: maxgoodb...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV testing protocols Hi Georgetta, Yup, I understand how bitey an unsocialized singleton can be! My arms were SO scratched up from my first positive that lived in quarantine from 6-12 weeks. Others here may have better references, but I found one article that says that the time between infection and testing positive is normally 2-8 weeks. If funds allowed, perhaps one snap test when the litters are combined, and another prior to adoption? May not be practical or affordable for a real rescue, I've just done my private little rescues and kept more (10 total, 2 now deceased) than I've managed to adopt out (7). I'll see what other references I can find in the morning... Good night, Beth N. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction
I get mine from the vet's office specificaly for pets and it comes in a paste. Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:47:40 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction I believe that L-Lysine is available in liquid form.maybe that would work better? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and we had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food. Poor guy vomited it right up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes! So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a tab (about 250 mg)? Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine? Ideas? Thanks! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Aggie Introduction Part 2
Andy, What a wonderful story and a very lucky kitty (both of them). Sure wish there were more folks like y'all in the world. I have a Feluk positive kitty with a neurological disorder ( feline cerebellar hyposplasia - he wobbles a bit) that we just rescued and I need to find a home for him. S, if anyone knows someone in Texas who might want to adopt, let me know :) Edna From: oxjake...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 18:02:07 + Subject: [Felvtalk] Aggie Introduction Part 2 Our story continues with Aggie introduction, part 2.. At this point, I would have chalked the seizure up to the mirtaziprine if it wasn't for the fact that the day before we gave her the drug, Aggie was meowing very loudly and had thrown up a bit of a clear liquid. While my wife didn't see it, she wasn't covered in drool and wasn't disoriented like after the two known seizures. So, we really don't know what happened, but suspect it was a milder seizure type incident, and the mirtaziprine made everything worse. My vet, nor the vet I consulted with at UC Davis, thinks the mirtaziprine was the major cause, though they did admit that it might be what triggered the grand mal, and the later, smaller seizure. So, to be on the safe side, she has been on phenobarbitol for about a month now, with no further seizures (my wife is home with our 3 month old baby, so she would know). The first three weeks on it were rough--sluggish, lots of sleeping, and incoordinated with weakness in her hind legs. (Cat, not the wife, for those of you still reading!) As of now, she is pretty much back to normal, with just a little residual weakness. Nowhere near where it was, though. At present, still getting interferon every day, reloaded her with LTCI weekly for three weeks, and now moving back to what had become the sweet spot of every 2 weeks (next shot is this Saturday) and hoping for the best. When we next test her blood in a few weeks, we might see if we can screen for toxoplasmosis and cryptococcus (I know I misspelled this!) but didn’t have the cash to do it the first time around. Another possibility is that she might have been exposed to insecticide, as we had the outside of our home sprayed for wasps a month or so ago. The day of the first incident it had rained, and she was sitting for most of the day at the screen door looking out into the yard. She was sitting over the door jam (but still behind the screen, mere inches from an area that had been heavily sprayed, as it was a problem area, and the recent rain could have easily washed some of the toxins through the screen for her to breathe or even lick. Could have gotten to her paws, and she could have licked them--I don't know. Other possibilities are of course, a brain tumor, the FELV crossing the blood brain barrier, lymphoma of the gut that had metastatized (probably misspelled this one too) into her brain but avoided the lungs and hasn’t swelled up her lymph nodes enough that the vet can feel, or the aforementioned poisoning, crypto, and toxoplasmosis. Our other cat, who has lived with us for five years (and is FELV negative but vaccinated) was a cat that settled on the front porch of the house we had just moved into. So, it is possible he brought it in, but her immune system was strong enough to deal with it for 5 years. At this point, Aggie seems happy, weight is alright, appetite is good, and her zest for life is apparent. She doesn't mind being around the baby at all, and we are trying to make every day a party for as long as we have her. She is the protypical cat, in that she is alternatingly spunky, sweet, and antisocial and loves to chase my wife's hair clips all over the house. She'll ignore almost every other toy, but not those hair bands. Our FELV negative boy--Crookshanks, is the sweetest animal known to humanity. He loves the baby, and (supervised of course) will sit with her and occasionally nuzzle her feet. He will sit on the couch above me as I hold the baby, and groom my head with his tongue. He does the same to my wife, if he isn’t in her lap. He would love to groom the baby too, but that is a bit much! So—that is one long introduction! In all likelihood, we are on the downhill slope of our time together, but who knows—she is a spunky girl and we’ve been lucky to have her for so long. I’ll keep you posted as we go through the rest of our journey together. Even though we never met, all of you have given me so much hope and inspiration. To those of you who have lost cats, my deepest condolences--and know that I will continue to send good thoughts and purrayers, as Alice likes to say, your way. Peace, Andy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New
My first Feluk kitty (well, only one that was actually MY cat) lived to be 16 years old and we never gave him anything special in the way of food and/or vitamins. We fed him Purina dry and some canned food (this was 20 years ago so we didn't know a lot about Feluk at the time) and he was a happy, healthy kitty up until he passed away. We found him when he was 10 and he tested positive. We kept him inside for the most part until we moved to the lake and because we were right on the water, we would let him go in the backyard while we were outside. I am sure others here have MUCH more knowledge than I do and I bow to their wisdom. Edna From: kristinsc...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:14:46 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] New Hello there, I am new to this group. My cat Bodie was diagnosed with FELV on Monday, he is nine months old. I don't have much knowledge about this disease and hope that maybe some of you can help to inform me. My first question is how long do cats with Felv live? Some websites said a couple of years and some said they can live a full life. How long have your cats lived? To my knowledge there are no meds out there, right?? As far as vitamins or food, would you have any suggestions. I know that it is important to keep his immune system up. Right now Bodies is healthy and very energetic. He has an eye infection that is clearing up, other than that you would have no idea that he is sick. I feel a very overwhelmed and scared. I would love to hear some tips and info for a newbie. Thank you all so much. Kristin ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New
You're welcome Joslin. I told someone recently that even with the healthy cats, we have no guarantees. As with people, their life expectancy is unknown to us. I have seen people drop dead of a heart attack at 35 years old and others live to well into their 90s. Shtinky was one of our first rescued kitties and last December, at 14 years old and with no warning and no prior illness, he had a stroke and we had to let him go the next day. Another example was Domino, he was a kitten we adopted right before we adopted Shtinky and at 3 years old he knocked over a pot of liquid cinnamon potpourri, got it on his fur, licked it off and then had second degree chemical burns in his mouth, throat and lungs. He lived for another year and then died on my birthday the next year. So, I guess what I am saying is, cherish the time you have together, don't worry about what will happen tomorrow because they are in our lives for such a short time but in our hearts forever. Edna Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 08:11:07 -0700 From: joslinir...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New Thank you for that Edna, I really do hope that my cat can live a long healthy life like your cat, so many people are negative nellies about being that optimistic, but I'm glad to here it does! He sounds like he had the best of his days on the lake, we let ours go out by the pool and lay around... he loves chashing frogs lately! For the first time he seems to have that spunk back... From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 10:26:59 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New My first Feluk kitty (well, only one that was actually MY cat) lived to be 16 years old and we never gave him anything special in the way of food and/or vitamins. We fed him Purina dry and some canned food (this was 20 years ago so we didn't know a lot about Feluk at the time) and he was a happy, healthy kitty up until he passed away. We found him when he was 10 and he tested positive. We kept him inside for the most part until we moved to the lake and because we were right on the water, we would let him go in the backyard while we were outside. I am sure others here have MUCH more knowledge than I do and I bow to their wisdom. Edna From: kristinsc...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:14:46 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] New Hello there, I am new to this group. My cat Bodie was diagnosed with FELV on Monday, he is nine months old. I don't have much knowledge about this disease and hope that maybe some of you can help to inform me. My first question is how long do cats with Felv live? Some websites said a couple of years and some said they can live a full life. How long have your cats lived? To my knowledge there are no meds out there, right?? As far as vitamins or food, would you have any suggestions. I know that it is important to keep his immune system up. Right now Bodies is healthy and very energetic. He has an eye infection that is clearing up, other than that you would have no idea that he is sick. I feel a very overwhelmed and scared. I would love to hear some tips and info for a newbie. Thank you all so much. Kristin ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is gone.
I am so sorry for your loss. Edna Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:54:05 -0700 From: aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy is gone. Murphy has passed to the bridge tonight to join Buster, Oni, Jack and Schatzi-Rosie's 4 brothers that passed last year. He was 2 1/2. Glenn and I saw in his eyes tonight that he was tired. He gave it all he had but in the end FeLV took him too.We will miss him so much-he filled the house with his incredible personality. He always ran to the door to greet everyone-he never knew a stranger. I will miss his big, poly-dactyl feet going clickity-click around the house and how he could leap up the wall and turn the light switch off and on when he chased the laser toy. Rosie will miss giving him vampire kisses-she's a tough love kinda girl and she is the last Mohican of the 6 FeLV+ kitties we began this journey with. Thanks to all of you for your kindness and caring. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question about grooming
Purchase the Furminator - works GREAT :) From: del...@q.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:11:12 + Subject: [Felvtalk] question about grooming I adopted Spicey about a yr ago knowing he has FL. Over the year he has not shown any symptoms, my vet said to not take him in as to not stress him. He is almost 6 has had FL all his life. I feel very blessed that he hasn't any symptoms. But my problem is his grooming. He is main coon mix with lots of fur. He grooms himself, but not enough. He has many mats his nails need to be cut. He doesn't like to be picked up I am afraid to cut his nails ot trim his mats. Any suggestions/ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks from Joyce Spicey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Helping kitty with extreme congestion
You can give cats children's Benadryl (ONLY .10 (one/tenth) of a cc) or if you have access to a nebulizer, those are great too. From: msk...@me.com Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 07:37:33 +0900 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Helping kitty with extreme congestion As I wrote in my previous post on mixing, my little kitty is extremely congested. The vet has given him antibiotics and anti-inflammatory medicine, but since he isn't too interested in eating, I am having trouble getting them into him. I have very limited access to medications or natural remedies unless they are homemade using easily accessible ingredients. I read something about saline drops or using children's Afrin. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thank you, Melinda and VooDoo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death
Frank and I have holographic wills (legal and binding in Texas) and we leave everything, house and insurance policies to our two friends who are also in animal rescue and if, for any reason they cannot move in and take care of our cats, our cats are to NEVER go to a shelter, we would rather them be put down then go into a shelter and an uncertain future :( From: lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 08:32:54 -0600 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death Great idea.I can't do that with my house because my husband co owns it (and has kids) but I gave my vehicle to the trust (so the cats can get to the guardian who lives in another state) and also a lump sum so the guardian can add on to their house. I made the requirements for ongoing reimbursement VERY loose for the guardian's ease. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Saunders Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 8:17 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death Have you considered setting up a trust and including the house in the trust. --- On Tue, 12/21/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 5:47 AM We had actually set up a Foundation, but now find that we will change it to a Fund instead. Advice from lawyers was non-existent, I had to find out the hard way. We are also thinking of leaving the house to someone who would continue the work, but again - how does one trust someone to do that - and who should oversee it - it's not easy. What really gets to me, as a rescuer, is how relatives of someone who dies could just ignore their pets, whether it's one or many! I get those calls, and always ask your mother, aunt, uncle, etc. loved the pet(s), don't you feel some kind of responsibility to care for them? It falls on dead ears. When my mother died, I couldn't take her cats because they were elderly, used to their spaces, some very skittish rescues...I tried contacting Chicago rescue groups, not to place them, but to see if anyone there might be interested in taking care of them. Two young women and a man from a well-known group (Treehouse) happened to be at a conference on the East Coast, and came to be interviewed. All seemed fine, until he found out that there was a basement and that he could play his drums thereneed I say more? Through a friend, I found a woman who had her own 12 cats and needed to move - bingo! There's only one cat left now, and I could easily bring him here, but at almost 18, Arsenio is too old, and I might as well wait until he dies without disrupting his life. I also contacted veterinarians in the area. The thing to watch for is someone who wants free boarding and may not take good care of the animals. There must be someone to oversee them, too - but who? A lawyer who doesn't know squat about cat care? We have the cats and dog in our will, but there are so many details to think of, and you know that something will be forgotten! Whenever I get a call from someone whose relative died, all of this comes into focus again. And I don't have all the answers. Maybe we could all pool our thoughts on this Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Bates Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 7:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death Lorrie, that is something I lay awake at night worrying about myself...not only my own cats, but the ferals I have TNR'd and care forin July I was hospitalized for almost three weeksthank goodness my husband was able to care for them (well, as much as he could)but I hesitate to do any more rescue work because I am not a spring chicken any more...and who will take them if and when I die? Some of my cats came from very bad places and have trust issuesmost are not very friendly to strangersand I don't make the kind of money where I can provide a lot even IF I could find someone I could trust...I'm not sure there is a perfect solutionwe just do the best we can. Debbie ~ When the world says, Give up, hope whispers, Try it one more time ~ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 06:56:11 -0500 From: felineres...@kvinet.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death My parents left me enough money to comfortably provide for all my cats, BUT the question that concerns me is WHO will care for them? I have three grown kids and grown grandkids and all of them love cats, but they have a bunch of their own. I would like
Re: [Felvtalk] Singing to Cats
When I clean house I always have the boom box on and a couple of my cats love the loud music so I pick them up and dance with them and they just purrr and pu :) Crazy cats :) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:58:11 -0500 From: felineres...@kvinet.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Singing to Cats On 12-26, Katy Doyle wrote: This might sound silly, but I sing to my cats. Like when I'm taming and socializing feral kittens... It seems to work and I have fun :-) It's good to know I'm not the only one who makes up silly little songs to sing to my cats :-) Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Singing to Cats
HA HA HA :) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 08:03:00 -0800 From: emeraldkit...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Singing to Cats we do this too! :) I also have one kitty who loves Pilates dvd workouts and watches them; another who loves the Three Stoges. --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Singing to Cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 9:18 AM When I clean house I always have the boom box on and a couple of my cats love the loud music so I pick them up and dance with them and they just purrr and pu :) Crazy cats :) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:58:11 -0500 From: felineres...@kvinet.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Singing to Cats On 12-26, Katy Doyle wrote: This might sound silly, but I sing to my cats. Like when I'm taming and socializing feral kittens... It seems to work and I have fun :-) It's good to know I'm not the only one who makes up silly little songs to sing to my cats :-) Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before surgery (usually 16 weeks) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males Many of the vets I use with rescues want the kitten to weigh 2 pounds, age doesn't matter. --Katy On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at a gas station). We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money. He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already. Thanks for any replies, Peggy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] not getting any emails
I have not seen any if a few days either Edna Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:22:30 -0800 From: sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] not getting any emails Hey everyone, I haven't seem any posts come to my in box in several days and was just wondering if I am for some reason now banned or if there just haven't been any at all. If anyone has gotten any the last couple of days or if they see this will they please respond? Thanks, Tanya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tweeze is gone.
What a beautiful baby. I am so sorry for your loss :( Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 12:57:03 -0800 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tweeze is gone. Thank you so much for sharing the video of Tweezer. What a sweet beautiful boy. How lucky he was to have you you him. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Fri, 2/4/11, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: From: Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Tweeze is gone. To: FeLV talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, February 4, 2011, 8:05 PM Tweezer lost his battle with this horrible disease this afternoon. He had an aggressive lymphoma so there was no hope that he would get better or that he could even be made more comfortable. He crashed at the beginning of this week and was having spasms that were making it very difficult for him to eat, drink or even to stand. He has been very unhappy and scared all week long. When I took Tweezer in he was extremely malnourished and had worms, ear mites, goopy eyes and an upper respiratory infection. As his health improved he became such a happy cat! He was so happy to be alive, he always wanted to play and be loved. This is a you-tube link to a video I took of him a few months ago. He would come to me and ask me to come and play with him and then lead me to the toys. http://www.youtube.com/user/katlover13100#p/a/u/2/xXvteShI_Ig Rest in peace my darling Tweezer. My heart is breaking but at least there is no feline leukemia where you are now. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
There is a place in the Houston area and I have first hand knowledge of what a horrid place this is, yet people still take their cats there. It is called Cat Nap Estates and IN MY OPINION, the woman running it should not care for potted plants. I had her hold two feral cats for a couple of months while we were moving and our house was being built. They went completely vetted, yet they came back with a litney of illnesses and so terrified. The vet said she didn't think the female was ever let out of her carrier because it stunk so badly they had to throw it away. I called the SPCA and made a cruelty report and some of the cats tested positive for Feluk and these cats were in the general population. I have heard other horror stories about her and her sanctuary from others too. She may have started out with good intentions, but the road to h*ll is paved with good intentions. Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:12:39 -0800 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary' This is why I warn people to thoroughly check out Sanctuaries This happens time again. Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: atlantares...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:atlantares...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kitty.cat Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 12:30 PM To: spotsoci...@yahoogroups.com; atlanta Rescue Groups Cc: georgiaanimalres...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [atlantarescue] Fw: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary' - Original Message - Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:48 AM Subject: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary' A PETA undercover investigation exposed the chronic deprivation and suffering of approximately 300 cats being kept in filthy, stifling, dungeon-like, disease-ridden storage units at Sacred Vision Animal Sanctuary (SVAS) in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. The operator of this so-called quot;sanctuaryquot; warehouses cats in cruel, disgusting conditions. Many of the animals have endured these conditions for years. One cat captured on video--Winky--was found convulsing and dying in a litterbox inside a cage. The operator refused repeated offers for free emergency veterinary care and instead left Winky in a filthy bathroom to languish for more than an hour before the cat finally died. Please click the link below to help end the suffering and death of cats at SVAS now! To take action on this issue, click on the link below: http://www2.peta.org/site/Advocacy?s_oo=PtJIyHJzakKAPa-52Eez-A..amp;id=3583 If the text above does not appear as a link or it wraps across multiple lines, then copy and paste it into the address area of your browser. If you no longer wish to receive email messages sent from your friends on behalf of this organization, please follow the link below: http://www2.peta.org/site/TellFriendOpt?action=optouttoe=c1008561306ab8401a47ff9682e23217733f619a56c5115e __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use . __,_._,___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
I was thinking the same thing Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:36:23 -0700 From: sin...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors Sorry but that information is outdated or biased. The number one killer of birds is humans due to habitat loss or construction for same. Humans: The Number One Threat to Birds http://www.alleycat.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=325 SomeWhere Sam From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, March 22, 2011 2:37:38 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors In the newspaper today: House cats are the #1 predator of wild birds. The American Bird Conservancy estimates up to 500 million birds per year are killed by cats. About 400,000 are killed yearly by wind turbines (less than 20% of the number killed by cats). So now we have another reason to keep our cats indoors -- not only for their own health and safety, but for that of our BIRD population! Save the cats and the birds: Keep Your Cat Indoors! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
Just because your kid likes to eat McDonald's every day or binge drink or do drugs because it makes them happy is NOT a reason to allow it. The same reasoning goes for cats, just because they LIKE it doesn't mean it's good for them. My cats may be prisoners in my house but I sleep well at night knowing they are loved and safe and from what I can tell, they are pretty freakin happy. I have picked up enough broken and battered bodies off the roadways to know that NONE of my cats or fosters will EVER be allowed outside unless it is in a safe enclosure or on a leash. There was a young individual (can't call him a man because real men do not torture animals) in Dallas that took his neighbor's inside/outside cat and over a course of several hours beat and tortured the cat and video taped the entire thing. THAT is what happens to outdoor cats. While some may be lucky enough to escape being tortured, hit by cars, eaten by coyotes or hawks or owls, most do not escape this fate. Sorry but I 100% DISAGREE with cats are wild animals and need to live outside point of view. Just my 2 cents. Edna Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 09:13:09 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors As an adopter, my views on this are very strict and well-defined - I am responsible for placing cats in the safest possible homes, and I would do no less. I need to be able to sleep at night, knowing that the cats that I rescued and invested so much time, energy, and emotion will be safe and happy for a long time. Yes, I agree, there still are a few safe area left, but not many and none are 100% safe, ever. It is true that times used to be safer for cats to be outdoors - ours always had been, especially when I was growing up, until one of our kittens was killed by a carUnfortunately, it takes many people to understand this only after a tragedy occurs. When an adopter tells me that their cat ALWAYS sat on the front porch, and never leftand they intend to do the same with a new adopted cat, I say NO! Their old cat may have indeed done that, but it doesn't mean that a new cat will do it: It takes ONLY ONE TIME - chasing a squirrel or bird across the street, and WHAM! Cats can be perfectly happy indoors with tall cat trees by a window, a window perch, the right kind of toys to keep them interested and active. More and more people construct outdoor enclosures; simple ones to really elaborate ones, even just a little window screened porch. I don't believe that cats need to hunt; if they are homeless and hungry, yes, but there's no need for a well-fed cat to kill small wildlife, not for food, but for fun and the reflex of chasing something (could be a toy). -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 7:56 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors This is a hot topic, but I agree humans and loss of habitat are the main threat to birds. As for keeping cats inside. I've had cats all my life and they have always been indoor/outdoor cats. All of them have lived to 16 to 17 years of age unless they've had some genetic problem like heart disease. My cats were all rescues and they lived outside before I had them, and they are totally miserable inside. It's really only the last couple decades that cats have been living indoors, but the invention of cat litter and urban sprawl have made us think all cats have the perfect life indoors, when in reality, cats are happier if they can live outdoors. They are programmed to hunt small animalswhich is the best nutrition for them. They need to climb trees, stalk at night with their night vision, and be free. Cats were not made for sitting in a window sill, and a prison is a prison no matter how many cat toys and kitty kondos we buy for them. It's true that some outdoor cats have a shorter life expectancy, but this mostly depends on where they live. If they live in a safe area with little or no traffic then I feel they should be allowed to be outside. There are some cats who will never willingly settle for the indoor life. We live in the middle of the woods on a dead end road with no traffic and our cats are allowed to go outside. I rarely see them catch a bird, but they catch many mice moles. I feel sad to see anything killed, but cats and dogs are predators and this is what they were designed to do. Lorrie Sorry but that information is outdated or biased. The number one killer of birds is humans due to habitat loss or construction for same. Humans: The Number One Threat to Birds http://www.alleycat.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=325 SomeWhere Sam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please
OMG, can someone PLEASE go hit that woman in the head with a tack hammer? Studs is in my thoughts and prayers. I think this goes without saying but are you putting the transporter on a DO NOT USE list? Please let us know how Studs is doing. Edna Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 09:23:13 -0700 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please I was supposed to have a new FeLV kitty Studs aka Stud Muffin last night, but the lady who was transporting him left him in a carrier in her carport with no food or water all day. I live in Atlanta it has been hot. He had to be treated for severe dehydration is currently at the vet. They also discovered he had a severe heart murmur, so they are going to check to see if that can me managed with meds or if it is too late. He is apparently a total love bug. My favorite kind of cat - big black short haired cat with green eyes. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please
I knew it was good for people but I did not know that you could give it to kitties too? Thanks for the info ;) Edna Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:16:02 -0700 From: cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please So sorry for poor Studs. Hopefully he'll be better after getting fluids at the vet. CoQ10 is great for any heart kitty. Hope he is home with you soon Sharyl --- On Wed, 3/23/11, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Keep Studs in your thoughts Please To: FeLV Talk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 12:23 PM I was supposed to have a new FeLV kitty Studs aka Stud Muffin last night, but the lady who was transporting him left him in a carrier in her carport with no food or water all day. I live in Atlanta it has been hot. He had to be treated for severe dehydration is currently at the vet. They also discovered he had a severe heart murmur, so they are going to check to see if that can me managed with meds or if it is too late. He is apparently a total love bug. My favorite kind of cat - big black short haired cat with green eyes. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat claws
You just can't fix STUPID. Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:17:59 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat claws Not only that, they allowed those cats to go out and one of them was attacked by a pack of dogs...huge vet bill! The cat recuperated pretty well, and then baby came -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:30 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat claws Wow, what a bunch of D.A.s! Like my mama always said, Stupid people shouldn't breed. They should have found a GOOD home for the cats and euthanized themselves. -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 11:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat claws I UNDERSTAND WHAT SOME OF YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT OLD PEOPLE AND THEIR THIN SKINS NOT WANTING TO BE SCRTACHED, BUT WHY WOULD A CAT SCRATCH ANYONE, UNLESS ONE HAS A FERAL CAT THAT'S TERRIFIED WHEN CORNEREDIT'S LIKE PEOPLE DECLAWING THEIR CATS WHEN A BABY COMES ALONG. If the cat hasn't scratched them, why would it scratch the baby - besides, it's better to be scratched than bitten anytime! Years ago, neighbors adopted a baby and had their two 4-yr old cats declawed, worrying about scratches, although the cats never scratched them. When baby arrived, one of the cats bit the baby in the hand - seriously (never, ever having attempted to bite the neighbors). The baby didn't even provoke the cat - it was just lying on the floor. Both cats were euthanized the next day. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Casanova aka Studs going over the rainbow bridge
Beth, I am so sorry for your loss. Edna Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 19:03:59 -0500 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Casanova aka Studs going over the rainbow bridge So sorry, I will keep you both in my prayers Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Too emotionally exhausted to go into detail, but it is time. I've only had this kitty since Monday he has already stolen my heart. I'm thankful I got to sleep in his room with him last night - he slept glued to me. He knows he is loved. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Husband has passed away..... :(
Terrie, You are in my thoughts and prayers. I am so so very sorry. Edna From: ter...@tazzys.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 08:27:12 -0700 Subject: [Felvtalk] Husband has passed away. :( Thank you all for your kind words and love in this difficult time for me. It is hard on me since we have been together for many years. He had a genuine love for animals and supported me in everything I did in rescue. My husband passed away 4:30 in the morning on Thursday. He died peacefully in his sleep. I know he is longer in pain and sick is healthy again. He will be greeted by others that have went to the Rainbow Bridge especially by my Taz as he loved him too. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. From: ter...@tazzys.org ter...@tazzys.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 8:09:59 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being. Hi all,I'm taking some time off from rescue due to my husband's illness. He has liver failure and is not a candidate for a transplant. He has been hospitalized 2 times this month and once last month he was placed into a skill nursing facility since the 18th of February after the first trip to the hospital. He is in the end final stage of his disease his liver has stopped working. Can die at any given time. He is being given all the pain meds he wants for comfort so he will most likely fall asleep an never wake up again. I want to make myself available at all times for him. He is only 64 years old... I know to some of you that may sound old but it isn't really. Hospice has been part of this as well to help me cope with all of this. Hospice is available to me 24 hours a day. Sincerely, Terrie TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright C 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New Member
We have more than average, but not enough to be newsworthy ;) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:19:03 -0500 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New Member I try to keep my pride at 7. That is all I can afford on SS Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 04-11, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Charles, they don't have to look for your house. They have a gossip line that is superior to ours. I think that once we are adopted by oe, we get an invisible tatoo on our forheads SUCKER You've got that right. Every stray in the area has found our house, and of course they were all unneutered or pregnant when they came. We now have 15 cats at home. HELP! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kids vs kittens
Us too :) From: ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 21:01:00 -0700 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kids vs kittens Ditto that! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kids vs kittens On 04-23, Jannes Taylor wrote: I honestly can look at babies and they don't thrill me like a little kitten would. LOL I'm the same way. I much prefer kittens. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Soft Paws
A frient of mine uses them and swears by them. At our house we have learned to never buy expensive rugs or leather furniture ;) Besides, when we kick it, our family is just going to sell our cr*p or put it to the curb. We have resigned ourselves to the fact that about every 2 years we have to go to Gallery Furniture and purchase a new sofa :) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org From: msk...@me.com Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 03:38:09 + Subject: [Felvtalk] Soft Paws Has anyone tried Soft Paws for their cats? I have read a few unfavorable reviews on Amazon.com, but even more favorable ones. My cats are starting to damage the persian rugs and leather carpet. My husband is threatening bodily harm if they don't stop it! Melinda, Fuji and VooDoo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cats getting out the front door
A large Scat Mat on the inside of the front door works well too. We keep one at the front door and they don't go near it. Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 18:01:57 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats getting out the front door I absolutely agree with the screen/glass storm door! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Georgetta Brickey Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 4:54 PM To: FeLV List Subject: [Felvtalk] Cats getting out the front door Hi list, I usually just lurk on this list, but I wanted to post regarding opening the front door to talk to a visitor and having a cat dash out. If you can add a screen or securty door outside your main door, that would stop 90+ % of hasty exits. Our house actually has a small alcove outside the front door and my mom (who didn't have cats) had a carpenter close it in and add a security door and vented side panel (basically 2 security doors but only one with a door knob). It is great when the doorbell rings. I can open the door, talk to the visitor and KNOW that no kitties will be exiting into adventures. It also gives me an extra measure of security when I don't KNOW the party at the door - NICE! Yes, it is a bit annoying to have to open 2 doors and 4 locks (each set has a doorknob lock and a deadbolt - all keyed alike) but when I bring home groceries or packages, I can swing the outer door open and leave it with the inner door closed... unload the car into the alcove, then close the outer door and open the inner one to bring my stuff in. I know this wouldn't work for some places - apartments, mobile homes, rentals, etc... but even an inexpensive screen door would help a lot to keep the cats indoors. Georgetta in So. Calif. with 20 kitties to keep safe (16 foster kittens and our gang of 4 felines) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
Just to throw this out there but my vet is adamantly opposed to using dog flea meds on cats, ESPECIALLY Advantix (which can and has caused even dog deaths). She said that on the surface, the meds look the same but the percentages of toxins is very different between dog and cat formulas. Unfortunately, I know that many rescues have very limited budgets (me too) so I am in no way trying to say that people are wrong for doing this, just saying I would be very careful. Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 05:57:46 -0700 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I've compared the dog cat ingredients on the basic Advantage it is the same. You have to know the dose be very careful because some of the dog Advantage is toxic to cats. My vet said the same thing about Revolution. She doesn't recommend it. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 5:52 PM Are you sure it's the same stuff for cats and dogs? I have never heard of splitting it - could be bad! Have you compared the ingredients and their amounts? My vet refuses to do revolution - he says it's dangerous because there have been many incidents of cats convulsing - too many things in it all at one time! Too bad, it's a Pfizer product! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I've always had great luck with Revolution, if you need something new. It's not cheap, but I think it is worth the price (about $15 per cat). I only have two cats, so it isn't bad for me. I have a friend with multiple cats and she gets a dog sized dose of FrontLine and splits it weight-wise between the cats, apparently it's the same stuff. I've also heard very good things about diatomaceous earth. I'm actually about to use it on my yard because of the chiggers and mosquitos. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: I wouldn't put Sevin Dust on my plants. There's no way I would put it on my cats. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/31/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:29 PM Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house. On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote: I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day yesterday cleaning combing cats to get rid of fleas they just had Advantage 2 weeks ago! Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because the fleas were still crawling. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper. I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
My cat Pootie bit me in March and it was infected within 12 hours. I ended up in the ER and they said had I not come in, it could have killed me. Get to the ER and when asked whose cat just tell them yours and the cat has its shots. They never asked for proof of rabies on my cat, no one ever came to my house or called me nor did they even ask the cat's name. But, DO go to the doctor or ER ASAP. That is nothing to play around with. I was at the ER until 4:30 am getting IV antibiotics. Edna From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 10:09:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite I've read all the responses and everyone guided you well. If you don't have a rabies tag for her, then don't tell him it's your cat (like you were advised). In my opnion, I don't think they would let you quarantine her at home since you have other animals. It's not worth the risk. Please, please keep us posted. I do hope you have medicated it well after washing the affected area. Sending luck your way, Jannes! - Original Message - From: Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 8:07 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite Last night I had Amber in my lap upstairs. I am trying to get her use to seeing the other cats and use to the upstairs life. I had the IFA test performed by another vet and will hear from it next week. I am being optimistic so I wanted to get a head start on getting her acclamated. My youngest cat Moses decided to suddenly jump in my lap with her and Amber freaked out! In the process of holding on to her she bit me very hard on my hand. It hurt so bad and still does. It is red and slightly swollen. My husband thinks I am being paranoid about it, but I had a friend who almost lost his arm due to infection from a cat bite. Should I visit the doctor?? Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
Yes, it is a bacteria that cats have in their mouth and it can be deadly. Red lines are what you want to look for. I had four of them running from my wrist (bite area) up past my elbow by the time I got to the ER. Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 10:34:04 -0400 From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite All the advice u got is got is good BUT if u start seeing red line going up to arm, get to dr right away. Have had many cat bites but one last dec required overnite in hospital for iv antibiotics to avoid sepsis. Something to do w bacteria in cats moiuth. Christiane Biagi Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote: Last night I had Amber in my lap upstairs. I am trying to get her use to seeing the other cats and use to the upstairs life. I had the IFA test performed by another vet and will hear from it next week. I am being optimistic so I wanted to get a head start on getting her acclamated. My youngest cat Moses decided to suddenly jump in my lap with her and Amber freaked out! In the process of holding on to her she bit me very hard on my hand. It hurt so bad and still does. It is red and slightly swollen. My husband thinks I am being paranoid about it, but I had a friend who almost lost his arm due to infection from a cat bite. Should I visit the doctor?? Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
Lynda, Yes, it is usually a very deep bite to require medical treatment. When Pootie bit me (don't know why, he was sleeping and it was about 3 am) he bit clear through to the muscle of my forearm. I couldn't even move my hand all day :( Edna Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 12:05:43 -0500 From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite Wow! Reading all of these messages with bad experience with cat bites, I consider myself VERY lucky. I've gotten bit a lot, but it sounds like it has to be a deep puncture type bite. Is this correct? I'm glad that you have shared your experiences. I bet most of us now won't mess around if we get bit. I know I won't! Jannes - what have you done so far? How are you feeling? Let us hear from you soon :0) I'm hoping you have a good outcome! Lynda - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite OMG - when I got bit a couple months ago I just ran inside and washed it out really good with soap and water. That was it. Guess I was lucky. I had read that soap and water are good enough as long as you wash it good so now when I get scratched I just use soap and water. Anyway, I never went to the doc until three weeks later for something else. That's when I talked to him about it and he fussed at me. Guess I'll be more careful next time. Yikes! “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: sea7...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 11:43:40 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite Wash the wound with antibiotic soap and keep antibiotic ointment on it. Also treat with hot compresses. It will draw white blood cells to the area. The Dr told me to do this. Autumn bit the fire out of me when I was 6 months pregnant. My hand swelled up and was red and sore. I never developed streaks, but went to Urgent Care for antibiotics. Make sure you eat your yogurt, if you get them. They are STRONG. FELV + have filthy mouths:-/ I also urge you not to tell them that it was your cat. Just emphasize that said cat had it's rabies shot. ~Susan A Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote: Last night I had Amber in my lap upstairs. I am trying to get her use to seeing the other cats and use to the upstairs life. I had the IFA test performed by another vet and will hear from it next week. I am being optimistic so I wanted to get a head start on getting her acclamated. My youngest cat Moses decided to suddenly jump in my lap with her and Amber freaked out! In the process of holding on to her she bit me very hard on my hand. It hurt so bad and still does. It is red and slightly swollen. My husband thinks I am being paranoid about it, but I had a friend who almost lost his arm due to infection from a cat bite. Should I visit the doctor?? Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
Yes it got infected quickly. Pootie is not Feluk positive. He was abused so I stole him from a neighbor in our old neighborhood ;) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 15:39:20 -0500 From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite Edna, So sorry you experienced such a horrible bite! Did it get infected? Is he a FeLV positive kitty? At least I know what to do now if it ever happens to me or any member of my family. It sounds much too painful. Some people take pain much better than others but not me, I'm a total wimp!! Hopefully, I will never get a deep puncture wound from a bite. I let my male cat get rough enough with me that he wraps his paws around my hand and bites my hand while thumping both back feet against my forearm. He does not draw his claws, but occasionally he has bitten me hard enough that I hollered ouch! Yeah, he gets a little rough sometimes, and he is neutered. He needs a companion to get rough with! - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite Lynda, Yes, it is usually a very deep bite to require medical treatment. When Pootie bit me (don't know why, he was sleeping and it was about 3 am) he bit clear through to the muscle of my forearm. I couldn't even move my hand all day :( Edna Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 12:05:43 -0500 From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite Wow! Reading all of these messages with bad experience with cat bites, I consider myself VERY lucky. I've gotten bit a lot, but it sounds like it has to be a deep puncture type bite. Is this correct? I'm glad that you have shared your experiences. I bet most of us now won't mess around if we get bit. I know I won't! Jannes - what have you done so far? How are you feeling? Let us hear from you soon :0) I'm hoping you have a good outcome! Lynda - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite OMG - when I got bit a couple months ago I just ran inside and washed it out really good with soap and water. That was it. Guess I was lucky. I had read that soap and water are good enough as long as you wash it good so now when I get scratched I just use soap and water. Anyway, I never went to the doc until three weeks later for something else. That's when I talked to him about it and he fussed at me. Guess I'll be more careful next time. Yikes! “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: sea7...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 11:43:40 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite Wash the wound with antibiotic soap and keep antibiotic ointment on it. Also treat with hot compresses. It will draw white blood cells to the area. The Dr told me to do this. Autumn bit the fire out of me when I was 6 months pregnant. My hand swelled up and was red and sore. I never developed streaks, but went to Urgent Care for antibiotics. Make sure you eat your yogurt, if you get them. They are STRONG. FELV + have filthy mouths:-/ I also urge you not to tell them that it was your cat. Just emphasize that said cat had it's rabies shot. ~Susan A Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote: Last night I had Amber in my lap upstairs. I am trying to get her use to seeing the other cats and use to the upstairs life. I had the IFA test performed by another vet and will hear from it next week. I am being optimistic so I wanted to get a head start on getting her acclamated. My youngest cat Moses decided to suddenly jump in my lap with her and Amber freaked out! In the process of holding on to her she bit me very hard on my hand. It hurt so bad and still does. It is red and slightly swollen. My husband thinks I am being paranoid about it, but I had a friend who almost lost his arm due to infection from a cat bite. Should I visit the doctor?? Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sabrina updatet
Wonderful news, congrats :) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 15:11:43 -0500 From: pam_nor...@charter.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Sabrina updatet Sabrina in one lucky girl. We had originally hoped prayed we could find someone who would give her a temporary room for the period of time needed for testing to determine whether she could beat this thing. We sent out SO many emails talked to SO many people. Contacted all the networks we with. But over the weekend, the golden goose flew over laid the proverbial egg on us. Not only does Sabrina get a room, she gets a home! This is a young couple who live in Spring Green, WI, where Mew Haven I am. The woman is the daughter of one of my good friends a nicer, more warm family could never be asked for. They had two Siamese cats that they lost last year so Shelley asked a lot of questions about Sabrina about the disease. I told her everything I knew which i s what I posted here initially. That Sabrina might not live long but on the other hand with good care a stress free environment, she might beat it live a long healthy life. Or she might just be a carrier live many years. I pointed out that there are no guarantees with any pets that there are FeLeuk kitties that live longer than non-FeLeuk kitties. Shelley's Mark's girls are 13 16. Both Shelley Mark love cats so do the girls but it was the girls' decision because losing their Siamese last year had been very hard on them. I was absolutely fine with that told Shelley to tell the girls that it is possible that they might have to say goodbye sooner than they want but on the other hand this is a chance for both of them to play a huge role in the life of one little special needs cat. And as it turns out, it's what they want to do! They are both very excited. And as Vicki, Shelley's mom told me, there could not possibly be a kitty who will be loved more than Sabrina will be. But listen to THIS! The girls wanted to know if it would be ok if they changed her name to Eleanor. For Eleanor Roosevelt who was such a strong woman! Do these kids get it or not?!! They do! I am so grateful. Sabrina/Eleanor is being spayed this week will have her IFA done. My friend who works MH with me I will drive up get Eleanor a week from today. So far so beautifully good! Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Aggie to the CLS
Andy, I am so sorry for your loss. Edna From: oxjake...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:18:52 + Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Aggie to the CLS Hi all, I know I haven't posted in awhile, but I wanted to offer an update to those of you who followed our story with our little bundle of spunk, Aggie. We helped Aggie cross over this morning, and it was one of the hardest things I've had to do. It was also the right thing to do. Her anemia caused her to gasp for air since yesterday evening, and she was starting to involuntarily shake, could no longer walk, make it to the litter box, and could barely raise her head to watch the lizards running around our patio. She was my little valiant fighter for 7 years, but ultimately FELV took her from me. We tried everything short of a transfusion, and it just wasn't enough. I firmly believe that LTCI bought us about a year of good quality time. Her bloodwork was taking a VERY marked decline last June, and LTCI reversed it. Unfortunately, FELV is a tough nut to crack and there was only so much we could do. It was very peaceful, she just went to sleep while we sang her song to her , and told her what a blessing she has been in our life. If love could heal, she'd have been the healthiest cat ever. But right now, she's not in any pain, no more seizures, no more force feeding, no more shots, and only peace. There is a void in my home, and my heart right now. But I am so, so thankful to have had her at all. I didn't even like cats before I met her, and now I'm a sucker for them! Thank you for your advice, your collective knowledge, and more importantly, for the kindness you show to everyone who is dealing with this nasty disease. Peace to all of you, and good luck on your journeys with your beloved fuzzbuckets. Andy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bee Please add to te CLS :*(
I am so sorry Sherry :( Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:59:36 -0700 From: sherryd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Bee Please add to te CLS :*( Another one of our Sids kids left us today. Bee was with us for longer than I have been volunteering. She hung in here for almost 6 years. She is with her mama Jewel now. Bee was our drama queen kitty,ALWAYS had something to say...what a sad,sad,sad day :( Everyone hug your babies, Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas
Actually, it is any product with the word sol in it as in Pinesol or Lysol From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:33:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas I'm using Feline Pine cat litter. What is wrong with pine products? - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas Don't use anything that contains any pine products - not good for cats! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas The Capstar http://www.capstar.novartis.us/ pill is fabulous because it bombs the fleas off in about 2 hours, then you can start using a monthly flea treatment. I use Revolution and never had any problems with my FeLV+ cats using it. As far as cleaning products go, I use Dawn on nearly everything - it's a very effective anti-bacterial and it's comepletely safe for animals. When I bring new kittens or puppies/dogs into the house, I give them a Dawn bath because it kills germs and helps wash off fleas. I have hardwood floors, so I'm limited to certain cleaning products. My favorite is Pine Sol. On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: I just realized our FeLV cat has fleas. Our other cats are housed separately and haven't shown any sign of them, so I'd like to nip this in the bud. I don't like using chemicals when I can possibly avoid them, but I have to do something. Can anyone recommend an effective flea treatment program for a FeLV+ cat? I'd also welcome suggestions of cleaning supplies that won't harm him. He's housed in our basement and really needs/deserves a forever home of his own. He's fully vetted (vaccinated, neutered, and microchipped). He's the sweetest cat we've ever fostered. He's a lovely blue/grey with green eyes. Photos gladly provided to anyone interested. Cindy __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_**felineleukemia.orgh ttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten
I agree, I would get a different vet and not put my kitty to sleep on the off chance that she might get sick and die earlier than we thought she would. Animals, like people live for different lengths of time. I had a FeLuk positive kitty that lived to be 16 years old but had a FeLuk negative kitty that died of a stroke when he was 12. I say let her live, enjoy her and don't end her life before her time. Edna From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:00:05 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten Hi Cathy, I feel your pain - when my Missy was diagnosed with severe congenital heart disease, I thought I would die. But they all die of something, unfortunately, and I think the special health kitties are the most special in other ways. We have a wonderful lady on this list who volunteers in an FELV sanctuary. Maybe she can give you some advice. I would definitely change vets - we adopted out a double pos (FIV+ and FELV+) to a lady in Waco about 2 years ago and she is going strong. I would get a confirmatory IFA test. I would get my other cat tested and vaccinated. You may want to separate them. Some do and some don't. I would not put her to sleep because she may be carrying a virus that may make her sick someday. Even the feral cat people are getting away from PTS based on the result of a test. Love and light, Kelley On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:40 PM, ckess...@cox.net wrote: I am new the site and I am just crushed. I have never had cats before and I adopted a shelter kitten from Petco in Plano, Texas. She had Ringworm to start with and she was tiny, but she was playful and is as sweet as can be. We live in Downtown Dallas so she sits in the window of our high-rise and overlooks the skyline. Last week, she became very lethargic and on Friday, I became worried so I took her to the emergency room. She's always been little, but playful and happy until last week. They did a Feline Leukemia test and it was positive. The only thing I had ever heard about Feline Leukemia before Friday night was that all cats who get it - die. Cali is only 7 months old and I can't stop crying. I just moved to Dallas last July. I have always had Dachshunds but I didn't think that dogs should be in apartments, so I got Cali. Then I didn't want Cali to be by herself, so I got another shelter kitty from the Petco in Bedford, (named Sasha) and she is very healthy. The emergency room vet and the Vet that I took Cali to have both told me that I need to put Cali to sleep so that Sasha won't get sick and Cali won't get better so she should be put down. For all of you out there, please say a prayer for me and Cali. She is a Blue Cream Tabby, she weighs 5 pounds and she has been a real fighter. I don't know how I will find the strength to put her to sleep. She is so little. I want her to get better. I can't stop crying. Cathy Kessel (858) 361-8972 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten
Good for you Katy and I don't trust any vet whose first option is kill the kitten :( Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:56:31 -0400 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten Cathy, I rescued my cat, Buddy, from a thicket behind a parking lot when he was 5 weeks old. I took him to the vet the day after I rescued him and he tested positive. Well, the vet told me to euthanize him - I did not like that at all. So as Buddy was clutching my shirt, I yelled at the vet YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KILL MY KITTEN!!! And ran crying from the office. Dramatic, sure, but I think it made my point - and I hope the vet was more tactful with pet parents after that. I had him retested a couple of months later, got second opinions, and now Buddy is 2 years old and VERY healthy. I found a new vet that is great with my cats, euthanasia shouldn't ever be the first option. Good luck! Katy On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: Cathy, you have already gotten some good advise. I've rescued several FeLV kittens and treasured the time I had with them. They enjoyed 1 to 4+ years of being pampered and loved. I mixed my positives and negatives but my negatives were all adult cats and current on their FeLV vaccine. You can do so much to make whatever time Cali has a joy to both of you. I would get Sasha tested and vaccinated if she hasn't been already. I am disturbed that Petco is adopting out kittens that have not been tested for FeLV or FIV. I also do TNR and rescue kittens. I test all the rescued kittens before offering them for adoption. Give Cali a hug from me. Sharyl From: ckess...@cox.net ckess...@cox.net To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 4:40 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten I am new the site and I am just crushed. I have never had cats before and I adopted a shelter kitten from Petco in Plano, Texas. She had Ringworm to start with and she was tiny, but she was playful and is as sweet as can be. We live in Downtown Dallas so she sits in the window of our high-rise and overlooks the skyline. Last week, she became very lethargic and on Friday, I became worried so I took her to the emergency room. She's always been little, but playful and happy until last week. They did a Feline Leukemia test and it was positive. The only thing I had ever heard about Feline Leukemia before Friday night was that all cats who get it - die. Cali is only 7 months old and I can't stop crying. I just moved to Dallas last July. I have always had Dachshunds but I didn't think that dogs should be in apartments, so I got Cali. Then I didn't want Cali to be by herself, so I got another shelter kitty from the Petco in Bedford, (named Sasha) and she is very healthy. The emergency room vet and the Vet that I took Cali to have both told me that I need to put Cali to sleep so that Sasha won't get sick and Cali won't get better so she should be put down. For all of you out there, please say a prayer for me and Cali. She is a Blue Cream Tabby, she weighs 5 pounds and she has been a real fighter. I don't know how I will find the strength to put her to sleep. She is so little. I want her to get better. I can't stop crying. Cathy Kessel (858) 361-8972 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try again (after deleting most of the original emails). I have used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at their Petsmart adoptions. The smell (to me) was gawd awful after they had used the box even once and even customers complained about the smell in the adoption center. We had to go back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was scooped on a regular basis. For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large Rubbermaid Totes. Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from peeing over the side. We also use a low dust litter. So far, our cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up. Edna Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop. It got good online reviews. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
I agree Susan. I think with a couple of cats, the wheat or pine would be great but when the numbers are constantly changing and you sometimes have a Mom with kittens in a bathroom, an older litter in another room and some adults in yet another room, you have to use what keeps the smell down :) Due to fostering I have repainted the study 3 times and the guest bedroom twice. HOW can kittens get poop 4 feet up a wall??? :) Oh, best invention EVER for a foster household is a Lampe Berger (Winterwood is my fav oil). If you don't have one, I HIGHLY recommend getting a couple. They are pricey but S worth it. http://www.lampeberger.us/lampe-berger-official-website-luxury-fragrances-for-the-home Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 15:09:47 -0700 From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = I had the same experience with the feline Pine. It smells like moldy wood to me. Bought one bag and never again. I think we may need to make a distinction between rescue households with a lot of cats and a constant parade of fosters coming and going and a household with just a few pet cats. Mine is a rescue household and I have adopters coming too the house so I have to make sure it doesn't stink. I've been using clumping litter for more than 10 years and we've never had a problem. (When I fostered kittens though I used the old fashioned non-clumping clay litter because kittens have been known to try to eat litter.) --- On Fri, 7/8/11, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, July 8, 2011, 2:57 PM I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large however, I noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try again (after deleting most of the original emails). I have used Feline Pine at home before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at their Petsmart adoptions. The smell (to me) was gawd awful after they had used the box even once and even customers complained about the smell in the adoption center. We had to go back to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because people would not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was scooped on a regular basis. For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large Rubbermaid Totes. Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats can get in and out and it prevents our elevator b*tt peers from peeing over the side. We also use a low dust litter. So far, our cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and up. Edna Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter = Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop. It got good online reviews. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it before? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] cat with rotten teeth
Sounds like she might have stomatitis. We have two cats with that and they both had all but their canines pulled and both are doing 100% better now. Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 13:29:51 -0400 From: katsk...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] cat with rotten teeth Again, thanks to all of you. Been a great help. Called my vet this morning and she is unexpectedly out of office until the 18th. Apparently she had family emergency. That's upsetting cause the kitty who had her eyes removed last Wednesday was supposed to have sutures out this Wed the 13th. I guess a few more days with sutures won't hurt - I kept mine in my knee for almost 4 months cause I was afraid to get them out. duh! Oh well. Surprisingly, Luke is a lover. Loves to be picked up, loves to be petted. But with the apparent pain in her mouth nothing is going to get into her via syringe or jamming a pill in the back of her throat, nothing. Last time I tried it one of her loose teeth fell out so there was a plus side but I am still putting triple antibiotic cream on the scratches and I had her wrapped in a bath towel like a mummy! Afterward she was panting, drooling, vomiting and hid for several hours. Not doing that to her or me again. So I will have to wait until the 18th to get her to the vet but she is sticking around the yard now and actually was sitting at the door like she -almost- wanted in so I guess that will have to do Thanks again cause I was hesitant to do that to her but what the heck. If I can have a little 5 week old kittens rotten, ready to rupture eyes removed I guess I can the rotten teeth of a full grown kitten pulled~. Kat On 7/11/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Cats have a way of knowing meds are in the food you are giving them. Unlike dogs who gulp it down so fast they never realize meds were in it. Medicating Casey is life threatening, I almost need to make a reservation at the ER for a couple of pints of blood for me. She bites, scratches, screams and like you said, we are both so worn out, frustrated that it almost seems to do more harm than good. If she needs meds, we head to the vet. More hands to hld her down. I have gotten a muzzle, but that makes her so angry that she won't have anything to do with me for at least a couple of hours. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Reply to: felineres...@frontier.com In-Reply-To: CAArM-_-2ryAGGq9SY-77suew7TtR5qZS+jFj-UAbtGn7pr6A=q...@mail.gmail.com Thanks for taking care of Luke. It's very difficult taking care of a cat who fights your every effort to help her/hin. You are very kind. Lorrie On 07-09, katskat1 wrote: Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse. She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live. I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside - has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options. Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her quality of whatever life she has Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help. kat ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs
We recently rescued an emaciated, obviously abused Rottie mix and his HW status was so high that after talking to the vet we decided that given his body weight, unknown history, fact that he couldn't be neutered until after treatment, lack of foster homes and that the treatment would probably kill him, we loved him, played with him and as he chewed on a toy, we let him go. He was surrounded by people who cared about him in the end and sometimes, that is all we can do :( His previous owners (I use that term loosely) failed him. HW treatment is something so simple, yet I would hazard to guess that 90% (maybe more) of the dogs going into shelters and/or rescued are HW+. From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:23:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm so sorry this happened... Heartworm is basically very silent until it gets so bad the dog is in real danger. They seem to be learning all sorts of new things about treatment which is now more complicated then when Immiticide was first developed. Problem is that unless vet is very familiar w. treatment, they may not know about newer protocols. American Heartworm Assoc does a decent job of describing those. But even if those are followed, Immiticide is basically arsenic and all sorts of things can happen. It doesn't kill adult worms but it sterilizes female worms. It does kill instantly the microfileria and as those enter the bloodstream in mass, they can create a clot which kills a dog. Then there is the more newly found parasites that actually live in an adult hw also die can also cause a clot. That requires doxy for a couple of weeks before treatment begins. And dogs need have absolute rest during treatment---not easy to do! For older, more fragile dogs, sometimes the best course is Ivermectin (Heartgard)--sterilizes worms over a course of time, they die. Risky but sometimes less risky than Immiticide treatment. Basically, there is no good reason to risk subjecting a dog to this--the costs have come down though I'm always reluctant to over medicate, Interceptor is one pill I don't ever forget to give my dog every month. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or technically she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm after she was found to have them. She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel cough but not much was known about it and she was a free running dog in the country. A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and new vet said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and suggested we test. She came back positive so he started the treatment before we left that day telling me there were risks but she would likely die for sure if something wasn't tried. That night she came home and collapsed in the front yard and I watched her die. Her heart stopped. 10 PM at night, nearest emergency vet was almost 2 hours away but didn't matter cause I didn't know they existed at the time and they were in another city and no emergency listings in local phone books. Vet I had taken her to had gone to his daughters graduation that night and called back too late but said he probably wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway. Autopsy showed she had more worms than heart left. I will NEVER not treat a dog for heartworm again. Period. Kat On 7/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I guess it's you're damned if you do and damned if you don't! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane Biagi Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds but, if you've ever seen a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters look like, you'd err on the side of caution. I'm in NY and we've gone to year round. While true that the mosquitoes carrying the larvae don't fly up here from warmer climates, dogs cats come all the time. A NY mosquito bites a Florida infected dog then bites a NY dog--you've got a chance. And these days, folks travel all the time everywhere with their pets. Now there are places where the climate basically prevents larvae from forming... but for most of the country, there are at least times of the year when mosquitoes live that any cat or dog is at risk. But there are choices for HW meds... Certain breeds should never take Heartgard (Ivermectin), for example. Thing is that HW is a silent killer. By the time the animal shows
Re: [Felvtalk] Question
SOunds like either stones or a bad URI because those are very very painful and a trip to the vet ASAP is in order. Edna From: skastel...@cicresearch.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:15:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question I'm no expert here, but this doesn't sound to me as though it's related to FeLV. My first inclination would be to look for something causing painful elimination. Good luck to you, Sara -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 9:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question Greetings Everyone, We recently took in a kitten someone was going to put down from our vet, and last night I was awaken in the middle of the night by a howling noise, i thought it was our older cat but it was the kitten, she was growling in the corner and for some reason went to the bathroom on the floor instead of her litter box, is this common among FeLV cats? It was dr jeckle and Mr. Hyde, she was back to her loving self this morning? I'm so confused I've never seen an animal behave like that? When my older cat was dx he was more so sick we thought he swallowed a bone? talk about one of the worst days ever! Has anyone else had this happen? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 6335 (20110729) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Intro New Cat Quick Style
Bonnie, Email me at taylore...@msn.com and I can send you my tried and true Cat Intro 101 instructions :) Edna From: ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 14:20:02 -0700 Subject: [Felvtalk] Intro New Cat Quick Style Hi Everyone Life can be stressful sometimes. My aunt is going into assisted living (suddenly) and I'm taking her cat. I took my mom's cat, Lucky, last Fall, and he's become part of the household very nicely. This little cat, Princess, is a sweet and mild-mannered little one. I took her to the vet today for a checkup and unfortunately he spied a growth on her tongue. He's biopsied it (so we will know) and I'm picking her up in a couple hours. The thing is, this is very sudden and I haven't had much time to prepare. And I'm going to be gone 12 or more hours a day next week (eek). I can put her in the spare bedroom until the Felv test comes back. But I don't want her to be freaked out or too frightened. I'm hoping that instead of a three weeks, I can try to integrate her in a week or two. This will make FIVE indoor cats for me. I've never had so many. The vet said, Well, four or five isn't much different. Bless him. What's the conventional wisdom out there? Leave her in the room 7-14 days, or longer? Thanks for your input! Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question
What did your vet do for the stones. Bug has kidney stones and the vet said that there really is not a lot they can do for those. I tried feeding her the special food but she wouldn't eat it and the vet said if she is eating anything else (very hard to feed individually when you have more than 10 cats) then it was not doing her any good to eat the prescription diet :( From: maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:42:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question My very sweet little girl, Mi Tu, turned into a problem cat because of bladder stones. I took her to the vets several times. They checked her, did routine lab tests and everything they could think of. I was finally at the end of my rope and they had been doing their research. The vets drew urine from the bladder. The stones were there and we got her the treatment she needed. She was in a lot of pain but the symptoms presented were for a behavioral disorder. On Jul 29, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: SOunds like either stones or a bad URI because those are very very painful and a trip to the vet ASAP is in order. Edna From: skastel...@cicresearch.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:15:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question I'm no expert here, but this doesn't sound to me as though it's related to FeLV. My first inclination would be to look for something causing painful elimination. Good luck to you, Sara -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 9:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question Greetings Everyone, We recently took in a kitten someone was going to put down from our vet, and last night I was awaken in the middle of the night by a howling noise, i thought it was our older cat but it was the kitten, she was growling in the corner and for some reason went to the bathroom on the floor instead of her litter box, is this common among FeLV cats? It was dr jeckle and Mr. Hyde, she was back to her loving self this morning? I'm so confused I've never seen an animal behave like that? When my older cat was dx he was more so sick we thought he swallowed a bone? talk about one of the worst days ever! Has anyone else had this happen? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 6335 (20110729) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?
HA HA HA, yes people seem VERY surprised when they meet me because my name is Edna and I am in cat rescue. Naturally, their minds go to the crazy cat lady on the Simpsons but that is just not the case ;) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:46:31 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier? http://www.catster.com/cats-101/does-owning-a-cat-make-you-sexier No, we're NOT a bunch of little old ladies in tennis shoes... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next? Also, I wonder, is it hard to walk and drive a car without a spine? Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500 From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be orange white :) This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how will he treat her? Geez! - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
Arizona and Florida were hardest hit in 2008/2009 when the real estate market tanked and because of that those two states have the biggest influx of pets into shelters and animals left behind at foreclosed houses. I read an article yesterday about Homestead Florida and the numbers of abandoned pets. One was at a house that used to be owned by a woman who was a dog rescuer, there were many dogs left behind :( Of course, as the article points out, the big screen TVs and jewelry, XBox game systems, etc. were not left behind, only the animals :( So, am I a bit jaded? yes, yes I am Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:17:43 -0700 From: delain...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght in 8 dogs.. --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be orange white :) This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how will he treat her? Geez! - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http
Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
See, that is why I have a hard time fostering anymore, I DON'T know where they will end up or what will happen. I rescued two beautiful Flame Point Himis from the Houston SPCA and they were SO skinny and, of course, had ringworm. Well, after 3 months of nursing them back to health and getting to know how special they were, I finally adopted them out to a home that I assumed was really good and, all things considered, it IS a good home; however, they let them outside and one of them was taken by an owl. My rules are very clear, no declawing, no outside, no dumping them at a shelter or giving them away, but people don't listen and do what they want to do. I know we have all gotten the call hey, I found this cat, she/he is starving, has a bunch of health problems and the microchip comes back to your group and when you call the adopter, they will not answer your calls or emails. One more story about trusting people. A local rescue group her got a call from the shelter telling them that someone turned in one of their cats (microchipped) and come to find out, it was the FOSTER who took the cat to the shelter. Hard to trust anyone these days :( Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:30:17 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! You have to admit, those are unusual cases, where people REALLY have allergy problems, or moving and can't take pets - but most wait until a week or two before leaving. Yes, I agree about some rescue groups, but also seldom happens - some may be a bit judgmental, but probably for very good reason. With getting daily updates from NYC of the kill-list for the next day, I am at the point of not looking at the pictures but just passing them on with the hope that at least one of them can be saved! Reading the surrender notes on their cards is heartbreaking and unconscionable! We had one adopter bring back two cats adopted from us as kittens, from Michigan! Others, we never hear from, and I worry about them. I stay in touch with MOST adopters! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they should
Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the truth is the truth, people give up their pets at an alarming rate and for, sometimes, what amounts to really stupid reasons. They also leave them in abandoned, foreclosed homes to starve to death. Does this mean that we are not supportive and don't care? No, it means many of us are in rescue and our homes are usually filled to the brim with cats/dogs and sometimes we need to vent. Doesn't mean that we no longer want to support and help others, it means that our hearts are broken and as someone posted on their FB profile and I copied: My pets/fosters are not disposable. They may have imperfections, may eventually have health problems, and be a lot of work. But when I got them, I promised them a forever home. No matter what their faults are, they are good at something, and deserve to be loved and have a forever home. They are not only my pets/fosters, They are a part of my family. From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:57:03 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas, giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster. Case in point (no, I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio who appeared to be loving and caring, he adopted three free cats from CL and all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion. I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath the and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of. Sorry to get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not in rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can never be forgotten. As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying there is no pet overpopulation problem. I have a house full of cats that prove otherwise. Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise and I have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I have not gotten one hit on her. There IS a pet overpopulation problem and no-kill begins with NO BIRTH. Okay, I will get off my soapbox now. Again, my apologies for getting off topic. Edna Taylor Texas Siamese Rescue From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there is not enough money in the world to make me give her up. Giving away cats and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find homes for more animals. Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about this stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
Kelley, Are you the same Kelley from Austin who used to work with Siamese Rescue? From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:29:20 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I don't ask them if they have cable TV. I just give them food. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: We are all supportive of anyone who rescues, deals with unwanted and/or sick cats, fills their homes with discarded animals! I cannot tolerate people who are hypocritical about animals; pretending to love them, and then give them up at the drop of a hat even if it means abandoning them outside to fend for themselves! Here's one I just got this alert; perfect example: Subject: DECLAWED CAT---2 YRS OLD A rescue friend told me that the place in Queens where she buys her pet supplies found a cat left in a carrier outside his door this AM. She is about 2 years old, extremely friendly, seems healthy and is DECLAWED. Her coat is a luxurious shiny black. He is calling her Sophia. She has to stay in a cage until he finds her a home. If you know anyone who might like to help this baby, please call or text 917 689 8414 No pic available at this time. There are other ways of dealing with not being able to care for your animal. My husband and I supply a woman with cat food and litter for her 3 cats because she can't afford it, or else we would have to take her cats into our home. My question to someone who claims that they have no money to buy cat food is do you have cable TV? The response has often been Yes, butI need it. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas, giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster. Case in point (no, I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio who appeared to be loving and caring, he adopted three free cats from CL and all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion. I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath the and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of. Sorry to get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not in rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can never be forgotten. As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying there is no pet overpopulation problem. I have a house full of cats that prove otherwise. Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise and I have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I have not gotten one hit on her. There IS a pet overpopulation problem and no-kill begins with NO BIRTH. Okay, I will get off my soapbox now. Again, my apologies for getting off topic. Edna Taylor Texas Siamese Rescue From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there is not enough money in the world to make me give her up. Giving away cats and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find homes for more animals. Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about this stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
Kat, great advice and exactly what I would do. Place her in a room in the house (bathroom/bedroom) and you might find that she is quite friendly, simply scared. If you let her outside now, you will never see her again :( Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:19:55 + From: merrykatme...@email.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma Hi Bonnie, I would try to bring her over to your house, but not directly outside. Do you have a small room @ your house you can use for a few weeks? If so, you should keep her in there - with litter, food water a place to hide (large box with hole in it some towels will do just fine) while you get her accustomed to you as her new care giver. Go in there everyday to be with her - even if you don't touch her. Stay in there for at least a half-hour read something out loud (normal voice) so she can get used to hearing you. If you decide to name her - use her name over over when you go in to feed her. Praise her for being a smart strong kitty. etc. Then after a few weeks, leave her in the room, but with a screened window cracked open a bit, so she can get used to the new neighborhood smells from inside. That way, when you do finally let her out ( put her box outside too) she will already be familiar with the surroundings won't be so apt to bolt or run off. Good luck! It will be worth the time the effort!!! Kat (Mew Jersey) - Original Message - From: Bonnie Hogue Sent: 08/11/11 09:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday! Now I’m literally an hour away from needing to decide. The problem is that my aunt (who’s tame housecat I took) also had a “feral” living in her large yard. The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only source of food?). Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and excellent TNR organization. Guess what? She had already been spayed. That means some (fill in the blank nasty term) ‘person’ had just abandoned her! So here’s the dilemma: if I release her in my yard, she’s in a strange place. The only thing holding her near will be my good heart. If I take her back to my aunt’s house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows what will happen, where she will find food, and the next ‘trapper’ may not have as good a motivation as I do. I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat. But what would YOU do? Thanks for your thoughts. ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
I just have to say that had I adopted out a cat to a friend and said friend dumped the cat and then showed no remorse for doing so, it would have taken me a nanosecond to drive to said friend's house and throat punched him/her. As I am fond of saying, don't let the tears fool ya, I'm a toof chipper ;) Edna Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:48:43 -0400 From: furrygi...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma Yep my thoughts exactly, there just is no end to the weird situations that come up. Had one where the chip contact info was all outdated (phones didn't work, moved, etc.), kept doing internet searches Yahoo suggested a different spelling of the last name--name had been spelled incorrectly on the chip records. Still were skeptical as the cat was found at a very obvious/common dumping spot, but turned out the chip info was from the original owner (just last name spelled wrong but I located once Yahoo figured that part out) who had adopted the cat to a friend a year prior...friend dumped the cat, to the original owner's shock (and showed no remorse when contacted)...orig. owner felt horrible and took the kitty back. Have had more than one where I was only able to find the owner, in situations where it was a very, very old cat (18+, 2 cases like this) but chip not registered/contact info not up to date, by asking the chip company where the cat was chipped (unfortunately, the representatives don't always offer this info up unless you ask but it can be the missing link) or by guessing the family vet by the registered address calling the vet who either knew the cat or was able to look up the people's name. Found 2 owners that way. It sucks people don't keep chip info up to date but have seen every very good homes go through divorce or other change and forget to do so. I agree, sounds like this kitty has been on the streets a while, still best to scan for chip do homework just in case And remember there is a universal microchip lookup website. I have also had chips we scanned ourselves, gave us the chip # and said petlink with a ph# (or other company), that company had no record...but turned out people registered with another company. As a rescuer, I have been very frustrated by these experiences as it tells me the average joe cat finder won't know/think to try all these things which makes finding owners even harder...this happened to me once where the chip info WAS up to date, but, registered to AKC and not coming up via other searches (including the company/ph# that came up on the scanner when we scanned the chip). Sorry to go on, it's a peeve of mine:-) On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: I do lost/found work for a couple of shelters you have no idea how far animals wander. A chip got a cat home that had disappeared months ago from its home about 10 miles away. Thing is sometimes, people pick up strays, bring them home, and then lose or dump them again—now even further from home. Its ALWAYS worth scanning, and checking with your local shelter maybe taking a look at craig’s list—though in this case, it sounds like the cat’s been out there for a couple of years. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma Lots of good advice--given this kitty was already spayed, is a cleft palate himi (many cleft palate babies do not survive), this was likely someone's pet. some of the cats at my colonies who have been most standoffish were sweet once we got our hands on them. Was she scanned for a chip? I would definitely do this. She may of course be abandoned but also could be displaced/lost. Most of the chipped cats I find do not have up to date contact info and I've had to do detective work, but because the chip info isn't up to date doesn't always mean the cat doesn't have someone who loves misses it. So many don't have/need homes, it is worth the effort I believe...most turn out to be deadbeat owners, but there could be a kid in the family who's been crying for months over their lost pet--I have had this situation before where we really didn't think the cat had a good home, one never knows. I say this knowing that most do end up being deadbeatsbut, not always, or at least, there might be one person in the family who does care and deserves to know the kitty is alive and have a chance to claim. Just thoughts, I've had recent situations in this regard--please pardon if I missed something that clearly indicated the cat was abandoned (like people just moved out, etc.). Good luck and thank you for helping her!! On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: Kat, great
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
Well, yes, there IS that. I would have gladly taken the cat back :) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 15:18:36 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma I had to erase most of the “old” stuff, to get this sent; new server accepts 30 KB (better than the last one, 20KB). From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 2:46 PM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma Edna, I bet it would also have taken you a mere nanosecond to drive to said friend to get the cat, had he/she asked you before dumping the cat….. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 2:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma I just have to say that had I adopted out a cat to a friend and said friend dumped the cat and then showed no remorse for doing so, it would have taken me a nanosecond to drive to said friend's house and throat punched him/her. As I am fond of saying, don't let the tears fool ya, I'm a toof chipper ;) Edna eleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Jager Please add to the CLS :(
I am so sorry :( Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 19:55:01 -0700 From: sherryd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Jager Please add to the CLS :( We lost our sweet Sids kid Jager last night to intestinal lymphoma. I got to tell him good bye and that I loved him. And rubbed his beautiful littlr black ears with the white stripes. He had the coolest ears and purrsonality.He was all black except each ear had white stripes,my fiance' couldn't believe it was reall and that someone bleached them.Well for the 4 1/2 years we had him,his ears ALWAYS stayed the same :). He always has some kind of issue going on but always overcame it and was a happy boy. We spoiled him with baby food everyday just because he was Jager. I will miss this precious little guy. I love you sweet Jager. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy!
Oh she is not feral at all, she is simply a sweet kitty whose previous owners failed her. Sounds like she would be a great inside only kitty :) We thought SuzieQ was feral until she started letting us pet her and when Charlie (the other backyard feral) went missing about three weeks ago, we brought SuzieQ inside and she is quite happy to be living the good life in our guest bedroom. She will soon be let out into the main part of the house to meet the rest of our Nuisance. We have taken our goodwill ambassador kitties in to meet her already and they have all gotten along really well. By following my Cat Intro 101 instructions (I can email for anyone that wants a copy) you can introduce MANY kitties into your existing kitty/dog household. Thanks for saving Hemy. Edna From: ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:24:04 -0700 Subject: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy! Today when I fed Hemy (she’s in a cage on my back covered deck) she ate while I was there. I spoke to her and reached a finger through the cage to touch her head. No problem. Then, when I came back to clean her litter box, I took a chance and placed my hand on the floor of the cage and remained still. She moved closer, then nudged my hand. I stroked her cheek and she moved her head around in obvious pleasure. I petted her a few moments and she purred. This is a “feral” cat who has, after tail amputation and being moved from her familiar surroundings, been in a cage on my back deck for only Five Days! I’d say she is more afraid and cautious than feral, wouldn’t you? I’m keeping her in the cage for now, and will go slowly so she doesn’t feel pressured. But what a little sweetheart. It pains me to think of how horribly humans have been to her, yet she is willing to forgive and perhaps trust again. Bless her! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy!
What a cute name :) Sorry to hear he is so sick :( Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:51:15 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy! Eliot Spitty, who was supposed to have been FeLV+ (that’s why I joined this group), was trapped outside of our house, and we assumed he was feral. Now, that we know he’s not FeLV+ (also thanks to this group), but has serious renal failure, he is the sweetest cat. Uses his nose to bump our faces, and purrs the quietest purr all the time. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy! Oh she is not feral at all, she is simply a sweet kitty whose previous owners failed her. Sounds like she would be a great inside only kitty :) We thought SuzieQ was feral until she started letting us pet her and when Charlie (the other backyard feral) went missing about three weeks ago, we brought SuzieQ inside and she is quite happy to be living the good life in our guest bedroom. She will soon be let out into the main part of the house to meet the rest of our Nuisance. We have taken our goodwill ambassador kitties in to meet her already and they have all gotten along really well. By following my Cat Intro 101 instructions (I can email for anyone that wants a copy) you can introduce MANY kitties into your existing kitty/dog household. Thanks for saving Hemy. Edna From: ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:24:04 -0700 Subject: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy! Today when I fed Hemy (she’s in a cage on my back covered deck) she ate while I was there. I spoke to her and reached a finger through the cage to touch her head. No problem. Then, when I came back to clean her litter box, I took a chance and placed my hand on the floor of the cage and remained still. She moved closer, then nudged my hand. I stroked her cheek and she moved her head around in obvious pleasure. I petted her a few moments and she purred. This is a “feral” cat who has, after tail amputation and being moved from her familiar surroundings, been in a cage on my back deck for only Five Days! I’d say she is more afraid and cautious than feral, wouldn’t you? I’m keeping her in the cage for now, and will go slowly so she doesn’t feel pressured. But what a little sweetheart. It pains me to think of how horribly humans have been to her, yet she is willing to forgive and perhaps trust again. Bless her! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: request for counsel on BreAnne
have they checked her for an esophageal stricture? SAME THING happened to Momma Kat and they had did the following treatment: BES is best treated with mechanical dilation using a balloon catheter under endoscopic guidance She has this done three times before it finally tooK. When she eats, does she hold her head to the side and chew like something is stuck in her mouth or throat? From: czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:54:23 + CC: landis.mcen...@yahoo.com; daben...@mninter.net; kjen...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: request for counsel on BreAnne update: please review lower string. BreAnne had been eating a breakfast and supper of Fancy Feast Beef pretty much exclusively since the May email below She had gained weight - -was still hiding out but present in her life. For the last several weeks she has been laying exclusively on her side and meowing when I would pick her up to move her - - chest contact. approximately 8.16 seemed like had something intermittently caught in her throat. took her to local vet on 8.20 since more highly trusted 30 miles and 60 miles away vets were not available. he gave us _ for hairball and albon. Monday she started to vomit up food immediately after eating. Since Monday she eats, she vomits, I feed, . . . She is increasingly bringing up frothy phlegm. she makes a sound in her mouth (epiglottis?). I have been orally hydrating her. She definitely has an appetite. know definitely not passing stool yesterday/doubtful urinated. gave her food this morning, vomit, more food (pate), vomit, nutri-cal, vomit, more nutrical, vomit, a couple table spoons of homemade chicken broth with vitamins, vomited up stringing clear phlegm. vet only says feline leukemia. Monday night after the feeding and vomiting episode she was back up on her chest and the noise in her throat had subsided. just as it did this morning. I told vet I wanted to try a different antibiotic before doing a film. ampicillin and baytril. she does not seem to be suffering and is active with her tail up. we trust you more than any vet we have access to. please. comments. your experiences? yes, I am willing to let her go very soon. thank you. From: czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; landis.mcen...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 20:42:06 + Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: request for counsel on BreAnne took BreAnne to vet yesterday. chem screen all within normal limits. on CBC: lymphocytes were high. vet said she definitely has leukemia. WBC were 13.2;HCT was 32%; HgB of 9.9; RBC's 6.5 - - all within normal range. platelets are low; neutrophils are low, and Ly (what is that) are high. he said her hydration was good. amoxicillin for 10 days and hope she pulls out of it. he said she had a lot of poop inside. sent me home with an enema. his diagnosis was alopecia and lymphadenopathy - - in her neck and behind her knees. and I know often the growths cannot be felt. you encouraged me to hang with her. continuing the supplements. she seems like a lost little soul; eats a few bites and then leaves or doesn't eat at all. will eat in privacy but very, very particular. took the other cats to the country and have taken her out there a couple days. she ran up a tree Friday morning. please hang with us. counsel? Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 01:45:54 -0500 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] request for counsel on BreAnne CC: czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com Has your vet done a complete blood panel on her? You might be able to find a clue to her problem. Also complete urine test would help. These will help identify a problem. Since cats are so good at hiding illness, we sometimes need to go to extemes. It costs, but may be less in the long runsince you find out fast what is wrong and needs to be done. As to food, I have found that Gerber's baby food (check first to be sure there is on onion or garlic in it) is easier to feed and my girls have responded to that. Also, add hot water to canned food. My girls and boy seem to prefer the liquid to eating the meat. At least they get some nutrition. Also, has your vet said anything about doing sub q fluids? I had to do that with Lil Bit after I first got her. Se was stressed out, had a ragged coat, no luster and had lost weight. After a little over 1 - 1/2 weeks, she responded and has been fine since. Giving her fluids wasn't very hard. The vet gave me a bag of fluids and needles and told me how to do it. The heardest part was sticking her with the needle but I remimded myself I was doing it for her benefit. If she is stressed out, maybe keep her seperate from the others for a while and give her lots of extra attention and loving to reassure her that she is loved. Then
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Me too, they don't need all that every year From: gbl...@aristotle.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:52:43 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations That's pretty much why I do... Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch
It has always been my understanding that you should never give asprin to cats: Aspirin Side Effects Aspirin is not a medication that is typically administered to cats. If administered, it may cause a few side effects such as: Stomach acidity, which can lead to stomach ulcers Upset stomach Vomiting Diarrhea Blood coagulation delays Lack of appetite Read more: Can You Give a Cat Aspirin? - VetInfo From: marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 21:40:49 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Fletch Update and more questions. Yesterday Fletch ate very well and ate quite a few treats too. He got up and walked around the kitchen for quite awhile. I was so hopeful that maybe he was over the hump. Wrong. This morning he refused to eat or drink and hasn't done so all day. I hav given him some electrolytes 3 times today. He didn't like that a bit. He had very watery poop with hard chunks in it. That happened twice. Once on the couch, which I have plastic on under his blankets, and then another time I ran him to the litterbox. His fever is back..I'm sure the aspirin wore off and he doesn't feel good at all. Is this how this disease is all the time? Is this what his life is gonna be like from now on? Because if it is, I can't see making him go through this. I don't think he enjoys any part of this. Maybe he ate too much yesterday, I don't know. Do they go thru this and then get better. Any insight will be appreciated. Where does the fever come from? Thanks guys, I sure do appreciate each and every one of you. Marcia Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*(
I am so sorry for your loss Sherry. Has anyone here dealt with Lymphoma in their kitties before? Miller is not Feluk+ but he was diagnosed with Lymphoma last week and I am not sure if the treatment and stress of catching him to medicate him and take him to the vet every day this week (hubby is out of town and he needs eye meds 4 times a day) is worse than the actual disease :( He is so stressed and he won't even let me pet him anymore, he just runs from me :( Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:32:23 -0500 From: marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*( Im so sorry Sherry3 Animals have the purest of soulssometimes I just don't understand their deaths! On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: We lost our Sids kid Avery today...He was a beautiful fluffy gray guy with the most beautiful eyes. He will be missed by MANY volunteers. I love you Avery sweet boy. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*(
We bought the oral chemo pills and I spoke to the doctor about Miller and unfortunately, his is rather progressed and she said, on average, cats can live another 6 months on the oral meds and up to 2-3 years with the injectible chemo drugs. We are going to try the injections this week and see how he does. Once Frank comes home from the road, he can go home twice a day to administer the eye meds Miller needs so I won't have to chase him down, put him in a carrier and take him to the vet's office to stay all day :( I just keep wondering if we are doing the right thing. I don't want his last days with us to be ones filled with vet visits and fear :( Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:35:17 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*( I’ve had several friends whose cats had lymphoma, and one dealing with it right now. Her cat, Jasper, is NOT FeLV+, and is on oral chemo (Leukeron) right now, 2X a week. It also depends on how much progressed it is. So sorry, I know how you feel – when all you do to a cat is give some kind of treatment all the time, pretty soon they assume that you will do so every time you approach them…. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 9:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*( I am so sorry for your loss Sherry. Has anyone here dealt with Lymphoma in their kitties before? Miller is not Feluk+ but he was diagnosed with Lymphoma last week and I am not sure if the treatment and stress of catching him to medicate him and take him to the vet every day this week (hubby is out of town and he needs eye meds 4 times a day) is worse than the actual disease :( He is so stressed and he won't even let me pet him anymore, he just runs from me :( Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:32:23 -0500 From: marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*( Im so sorry Sherry3 Animals have the purest of soulssometimes I just don't understand their deaths! On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: We lost our Sids kid Avery today...He was a beautiful fluffy gray guy with the most beautiful eyes. He will be missed by MANY volunteers. I love you Avery sweet boy. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Miller
Thanks, I will look into this :) I am sorry to hear about Fraidie :( Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:39:19 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Miller I know what you mean…how would you feel about contacting a fantastic animal communicator in CA and see what Miller wants and would prefer? I just spoke to her about a renal failure cat that I want to make sure that it’s the right time for euthanasia this afternoon. Maybe the trade-off to a shorter but happier life is better than a prolonged one with vet visits and shots, which Miller obviously doesn’t seem to enjoy! That’s how I feel about people’s lives, too! Her name is Lisa Larson, at the very bottom, is a contact line…she is also the most reasonable, and last year, even kept calling me to find out how one of our cats was doing who had cancer. I’ve known some who count every second to get paid for…not Lisa! Everyone who asked for her help, was very pleased! I highly recommend her as being absolutely fantastic, caring, and knows what she’s doing. Although her schedule today is filled, she squeezed in some time to contact Fraidie, from photos I sent her. If we euthanize Fraidie this afternoon, we will speak on the phone and contact her from across the rainbow bridge. Animal Communicator, Animal Medium, Reiki Master Lisa Larson is an animal communicator, Reiki Master and Kahi practitioner. Includes a forum, description of sessions and fees and personal profile. Encinitas, California. pawstalk.net - Cached From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 11:06 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*( We bought the oral chemo pills and I spoke to the doctor about Miller and unfortunately, his is rather progressed and she said, on average, cats can live another 6 months on the oral meds and up to 2-3 years with the injectible chemo drugs. We are going to try the injections this week and see how he does. Once Frank comes home from the road, he can go home twice a day to administer the eye meds Miller needs so I won't have to chase him down, put him in a carrier and take him to the vet's office to stay all day :( I just keep wondering if we are doing the right thing. I don't want his last days with us to be ones filled with vet visits and fear :( Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:35:17 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*( I’ve had several friends whose cats had lymphoma, and one dealing with it right now. Her cat, Jasper, is NOT FeLV+, and is on oral chemo (Leukeron) right now, 2X a week. It also depends on how much progressed it is. So sorry, I know how you feel – when all you do to a cat is give some kind of treatment all the time, pretty soon they assume that you will do so every time you approach them…. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 9:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*( I am so sorry for your loss Sherry. Has anyone here dealt with Lymphoma in their kitties before? Miller is not Feluk+ but he was diagnosed with Lymphoma last week and I am not sure if the treatment and stress of catching him to medicate him and take him to the vet every day this week (hubby is out of town and he needs eye meds 4 times a day) is worse than the actual disease :( He is so stressed and he won't even let me pet him anymore, he just runs from me :( Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:32:23 -0500 From: marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*( Im so sorry Sherry3 Animals have the purest of soulssometimes I just don't understand their deaths! On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: We lost our Sids kid Avery today...He was a beautiful fluffy gray guy with the most beautiful eyes. He will be missed by MANY volunteers. I love you Avery sweet boy. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing
Re: [Felvtalk] Aslans FeLV cat sanctuary
People can donate money so she can get the prescription meds :) Edna From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:18:14 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Aslans FeLV cat sanctuary Also they should contact Petcothey give disaster grants On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: Whoops...panacur strongid lysine mega c syringes are not. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: Those medicines are prescription...even the Ringers:( On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Christiane jus posted a Facebook URL about Aslanscats FeLV Cat Sanctuary Because our felvtalk cannot accept more than 20KB in a MAILING, I WILL POST SOMETHING IN SEVERAL PARTS! I FEEL THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO USE THIS GROUP IN THE FUTURE, TOO! They need to replace all of these lost items, if anyone is in this are: 10 50lb bags of dry food 15 litter boxes 30 cases of canned food 20 cat beds cat trees and condos scratching posts She lost $3000 worth of medicines for the cats and now needs: Lactated ringers solution, prozymes, Pen-g solution, baytril, doxycycline, panacur, stongid, clavamox, lysine, mega C, 1cc and 3cc syringes, 18 gauge needles and 21 gauge needles TOWELS Please go to www.aslanscats.org Or send donations to: Aslans cats, 486 west main street, Catskill, NY 12414. Please make checks payable to: aslans cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke
I would adopt to a smoker before I would to someone who declaws. Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:31:32 -0700 From: bucfa...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke I smoke, and have had Tigger for almost 5 years now. FeLV+, and STILL showing no signs of sickness From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 12:02 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke Hi, We have someone interested in adopting our FeLV+ boy and it sounds like a great home, but the gentleman smokes. Does anyone know if this would be a considerable risk for a FeLV cat? I know smoke isn't good for humans or cats, but I'm wondering if the FeLV would complicate matters. Other than that, it sounds like a great home. He'd be a companion to a homebound gentleman who's looking for company. Thanks for your time and input. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Miller
Well, after trying one round of chemo last week Miller seemed to have a bit more pep in his step and was eating like a champ but then on Tuesday, he didn't want to eat so I force fed him and yesterday morning we took him in, vet gave him subQ fluids and vitamins. I had an uneasy feeling all day and when I got home I immediately went to where I knew he would be, behind the entertainment center. He wouldn't move, he would not lift his head and when I picked him up, he just hung limp in my arms. I knew then that it was time to let him go. Fortunately, Dr. McCann was still at the office and she helped him cross over. We may still have a house full of furbabies but his leaving has left a hole in our hearts. I shall see beauty but none to match your living grace, I shall hear music but none as sweet as the song with which you loved me, I shall fill my days but I shall not, cannot forget. Sleep soft, dear Miller. . . 1999-2011 Edna, Frank and the Nuisance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp
FIV is a non-issue and there is no guarantee that either the Mom or babies contracted FIV from the male. We had two outside ferals and the male had FIV, the female was pregnant when we caught her and had her fixed, she tested negative and after living outside with Charlie for a year (he went missing this past summer and we brought SuzieQ inside), she tested negative when we brought her inside. Besides, even cats WITH FIV live a long and healthy life and the chances of giving it to another cat (if they are all fixed) is very slim. FIV is INFECTIOUS, not contagious, big big difference. You don't catch HIV from living with someone with HIV, only through blood and bodily fluids, same thing with FIV. Edna Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 06:39:41 -0700 From: bucfa...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp i am on catster. do you mind if i send this post to a friend in califonia. they have a FIV+ cat, and know a lot about FIV From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp Please DO NOT WORRY – if she or “husband” are FIV+, the kittens will be just fine! Your vet knows NOTHING about FIV! It’s a lot different than FeLV I can guarantee that they will be fine. DO NOT ABORT THIS LATE – each baby has to be taken out and killed! I don’t have time to write now, but I can e-mail you personally later, if that’s OK! I have had dozens of FIV mothers whose babies were ALL fine! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of quinn gardner Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:30 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp Hi i have just found out tht my cat is pregnant 8.5wks to a stray that tested positive for feline aids i was due to have her fixed but was a little to late as she is 8mths now. The vet wants me to take her in to get an abortion is this the only way??? Do i have no other options?Is this the best thing to do?? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Horton Please add to the CLS :*(
I am so glad you got to spend another year with him and I am so very sorry for your loss. Edna From: marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 08:57:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Horton Please add to the CLS :*( Sherry, I am so very sorry about Horton. It is so hard to see these beautiful beings devastated by this awful disease. His spirit is free now. Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 1, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: Yesterday Dr. Jen had to let our sweet big gray guy Horton go. He became a Sids kid about 4 years ago and had escaped when somehow or someone ripped a screen out of a window. We searched the neighborhood day and night for several cats that got out,3 of them were never found and when last year it happened again we actually found Horton after 3 years of being missing !!! So we did have a chance to love him for a year. Now we take more caution on the downstairs windows...we lock and close them at night. Horton you will be missed. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] no regrets after doing this venture!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sad news - Jack, the cat, dies
I have also used Continental several times to transport cats and I have never had a problem. My heart goes out to Jack and his Meowmy :( RIP little man :( From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:12:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sad news - Jack, the cat, dies The airlines just keep shooting themselves in the foot animals suffer! If only they would realize that there is this HUGE market out there for travelers who want to travel with their pet. Why not take a couple of flights a week on major routes have a couple of planes where animals of all sizes can be kept in cabin in crates. I do, however, have to put a plug in for Continental—while I’m sure they’re not perfect, I’ve worked with a couple of shelters and we used them many times to transport animals to their adopters many miles away. We’ve never had a problem… From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 7:06 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Sad news - Jack, the cat, dies http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/jack-cat-disappeared-jfk-airport-miraculously-reappearing-dies-5-article-1.973107 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Autumn the cat
Susan, I am so sorry for your loss :( Edna Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 06:33:49 -0600 From: sea7...@gmail.com To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Autumn the cat My cat Autumn died last night due to complications arising from Feline Leukemia. She was four years old. In her short life she was a joy to us, a beautiful, highly intelligent little cat. I can't believe she's gone. I had almost fooled myself into believing that I might get to keep her for a very long time, but the disease won. We are grief-stricken. I joined this list in 2007 after searching everywhere for information and support for FELV owners. I'm so glad it exists. I've drawn a lot of support and knowledge over the years - even when just lurking. I just wanted to add Autumn to the list. She was precious, loved to cuddle, watch Baby Einstein and steal pizza. My home will be so empty without her. I love you, baby girl. ~Susan Ang ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [FeLVPositiveCats] A Place For Us
Leah, I am so sorry to hear about Buddy. Binkey and Buddy are together snuggling and waiting for y'all at the Rainbow Bridge. Edna Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:21:30 -0500 From: g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] [FeLVPositiveCats] A Place For Us I am so sorry about Buddy! If you really want to ”talk” to him, have you considered contacting a really good animal communicator? I have been in contact with Binkey last week, who had to be euthanized this morning, and in a few days, will have my AC contact him. Binkey was a silver colored, long-haired gorgeous cat who was selfless and absolutely fantastic with people and other animals! Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Wolf, Leah R. Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:20 PM To: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] [FeLVPositiveCats] A Place For Us This was just what I needed today. My beloved Buddy, a felv+ Maine Coon whom I adopted nearly 6 years ago, died this morning. He was about 9 years old, maybe more. He had been abandoned at a shelter as a young cat and I adopted him to be a companion to my other positive cat. I am grateful that the end came quickly and quietly, but I am heartbroken. He was the best cat ever. He came running when I called him, he slept every night In my bed and snuggled on my lap like a giant beanie baby, he got along patiently with the other cats we have taken in. He had no “meow”, just a croak, but had the most eloquent eyes. Many times I wished he could talk. I know that a piece of him will be with me until we meet again. Leah From: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sheila Coyle Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FeLVPositiveCats] A Place For Us For those who have suffered a loss of a dear pet, this tribute is one of my all time most favorite compassionate, hopeful, and consoling readings. Credit to the writer: Terri Onorato http://www.angelbluemist.com/aplaceforus.html __._,_.___ __,_._,___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org attachment: image001.jpg___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Homey and her crystals
I have not been getting any posts lately? I had to go back through my email to find this one To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org From: ccarlsb...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:50:37 + Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Homey and her crystals I get hills c/d at any vet I stop into. I live in Los angeles. It has saved my Tweetys life! He eats nothing else. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 18:39:51 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Homey and her crystals Homey's crystals are struvite, very few calcte. She geets fitered water in fountains along with e other 6 cats in my house. We have 8 litter boxes tat are scooped out at least 2 times a day. I use a corncob litter because it is biodegradeble, doesn't track more than clay and hadles odors very well. I hadeveryone on Blue Buffalo Duck and sweet potato mixed 1/2 with turkey and sweet potato becauseCasey has troube with the dck, think it is to rich for her (14 years old). The food was dry. Vet now has her on Hill's SD and gave her a shot of Convenia antibiotic to get her started toward healing. He also did Cystocentesis ad sent urine sample off for cultures (aerobic and anaerobic) to determine exactly which bacteria was involved so he can giveherthe right antibiotic. The shot and SD seem to be helping as urine balls in boxes re all close to normal size, This is the 3rd timethis year, that s why he did the cultures. The last time, she refused the SD, bt it had been sitting on the floor of he van onthe way home so was nice and warm. She and others ate it up. I also got some SD dry just in case she decides she does not like the canned. Thought about mixing dry into wet. Where can I get these other foods you menioned? As to cranberry, tried giving her some and only way to get it in her was to spend 20 minutes trying to catch her and rub t on her feet. Then she avoids me for at least 1 hr afterwards. jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote: Forgive me as I have missed the beginning of this email thread. With respect to urinary crystals diet is huge. Every cat that has ever been brought to me with crystals has responded to diet with complete eradication of crystals (make sure you know what type of crystals you're dealing though). Raw diet is the key. If you can't do raw, the high quality canned foods like Fromm, Go, Wellness work quite well. You can still do some dry but it has to be the good stuff - Orijen or Fromm would be my recommendation. I always add some cranberry to it if they'll take it just to avoid UTIs. It takes about four weeks if the crystals are bad and in the meantime you have to make sure they do not become obstructed (that often takes vet strength food or catheter or suprapubic taps. Hope this helps. Jenny On 12/8/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: In the course of conversation with Karen today, I mentoned that Hojey had crystas. She said her cat had same problem and a group Catwell on yahoo had helped her. They suggested Cantharis. You can get it at health food stoes. Her cat had been gven a death sentence and now is alive and healthy. Anybody knw anyting about this? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Homey and her crystals
Wish we could afford a raw diet but we have WY too many for that and we have a few whose glutton buttons don't have an off switch ;) so they eat what they have and move on to another plate :) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:09:12 -0600 From: jb...@tds.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Homey and her crystals I have 't been getting much either lately. Didn't even see your email in response. As far raw diets go, I get nature's menu from a local store in Wisconsin. You would probably have to order via the web and have it sent. Otherwise, Bravo raw diet should be at most small holistic type animal stores. You can do a google search for where bravo is sold in your area. Fromm and Orijen should be at most of these types of animal stores as well. As far as the cranberry goes, I got the capsules with the powdered cranberry inside (you can get at any grocery store for the most part). I put a very small amount (about 1/8th of the capsule and mix it in with the moist or raw food. Some cats absolutely refuse it so don't. If they absolutely refuse it, I have used plain canned tuna and mixed it in that. Otherwise Fromm has a diet with cranberry mixed in. I'm not a great fan of SD, but before I used the raw diet, I used the C/D and it did work and they did eat it, but it's just not as good for their overall health and the second I would use any other food the crystals came back. Raw diet allows for a wide variety of food types. Be warned, however, it will take one to two months before the problem truely resolves. I would leave out dry food like Fromm or Orijen if you do the grazing type feeding and then give raw every evening and canned wet in the morning mixing in the cranberry whenever possible, or some variation thereof. Hope that helps. Jenny On 12/14/11, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: I have not been getting any posts lately? I had to go back through my email to find this one To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org From: ccarlsb...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:50:37 + Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Homey and her crystals I get hills c/d at any vet I stop into. I live in Los angeles. It has saved my Tweetys life! He eats nothing else. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 18:39:51 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Homey and her crystals Homey's crystals are struvite, very few calcte. She geets fitered water in fountains along with e other 6 cats in my house. We have 8 litter boxes tat are scooped out at least 2 times a day. I use a corncob litter because it is biodegradeble, doesn't track more than clay and hadles odors very well. I hadeveryone on Blue Buffalo Duck and sweet potato mixed 1/2 with turkey and sweet potato becauseCasey has troube with the dck, think it is to rich for her (14 years old). The food was dry. Vet now has her on Hill's SD and gave her a shot of Convenia antibiotic to get her started toward healing. He also did Cystocentesis ad sent urine sample off for cultures (aerobic and anaerobic) to determine exactly which bacteria was involved so he can giveherthe right antibiotic. The shot and SD seem to be helping as urine balls in boxes re all close to normal size, This is the 3rd timethis year, that s why he did the cultures. The last time, she refused the SD, bt it had been sitting on the floor of he van onthe way home so was nice and warm. She and others ate it up. I also got some SD dry just in case she decides she does not like the canned. Thought about mixing dry into wet. Where can I get these other foods you menioned? As to cranberry, tried giving her some and only way to get it in her was to spend 20 minutes trying to catch her and rub t on her feet. Then she avoids me for at least 1 hr afterwards. jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote: Forgive me as I have missed the beginning of this email thread. With respect to urinary crystals diet is huge. Every cat that has ever been brought to me with crystals has responded to diet with complete eradication of crystals (make sure you know what type of crystals you're dealing though). Raw diet is the key. If you can't do raw, the high quality canned foods like Fromm, Go, Wellness work quite well. You can still do some dry but it has to be the good stuff - Orijen or Fromm would be my recommendation. I always add some cranberry to it if they'll take it just to avoid UTIs. It takes about four weeks if the crystals are bad and in the meantime you have to make sure they do not become obstructed (that often takes vet strength food or catheter or suprapubic taps. Hope this helps. Jenny On 12/8/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote
Re: [Felvtalk] testing
I'm with you Lorrie. We opted out of the hustle and bustle of buying gifts for each other and others in 2008 when Frank was laid off 3 days before Christmas :( Now, we spend time with family and friends and our furbabies but we do not buy into the commercialism that Christmas has become. Edna Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:16:38 -0500 From: felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] testing Hi James. Mail lhas been coming thru, but a bit less than usual. I think this is because people are frantically rushing around during the holiday season. Not me.. My idea of a perfect Christmas is a quiet day at home with our 15 rescued cats. Merry Christmas to you and yours. Lorrie On 12-14, James G Wilson wrote: Hey all, Sorry for the extra mail. Just testing to be sure the list is working as it should. Haven't seen any traffic for a few days now. Hope all is well with everyone. Best wishes. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from surgery blind
Anne, I am so sorry to hear about Dublin. We have a kitty that has to be sedated when he goes to the vet and he came back home deaf recently after being sedated. It has taken him a while to adjust to not being able to hear and his personality certainly has changed. I am sure you already know this but I would find the smallest bathroom to put him in while he tries to adjust :( Poor little man, I am so very sorry. However, cats are very resilient and hopefully either his sight will come back or he will adjust quickly to his disability. Edna Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:32:06 -0600 From: anne.my...@uni.edu To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from surgery blind I am devastated -- my FeLV boy Dublin had major dental surgery yesterday to remove the rest of his teeth due to severe stomatitis and feline resorptive lesions (his third dental surgery in six months). He came through OK it seemed, and his bloodwork turned out to be very promising (his mild anemia around December had reversed with his hematocrit in the middle of the normal range). But something seemed off with agitation and his eyes and the vet realized that Dublin seems to be blind. He did all the ocular tests they do and nothing physiologically can be found wrong -- no detached retina, no bleed, no evidence of hypoxia, etc. But only his left eye is even minimally reactive to light. The vet believes the blindness to be related to the FeLV, although I'm still totally confused about the suddenness of this all. Dublin has always had something weird about his eyes -- the pupils stay mostly dilated and while they constrict a little it's definitely not like a normal cat. I wondered if he had an eye problem and could see well even before I adopted him and learned he was FeLV+. But he seemed to see fine. While Dublin is physically stable he is apparently extremely agitated and the vet wants to keep him at the hospital until he settles down and begins to adapt. He was with him until 10:30 last night and says that Dubbie has scarcely been out of a tech's arms since. (He is the most loving, people-oriented cat, and is not stressed just from being at the vet -- it's almost a joke how much he likes it there.) I am crazy with distress and also with anxiety about bringing him home (have another cat, pretty rowdy, and a dog), though everyone says blind cats can do well. I'd appreciate any encouragement -- or in particular any insight into a FeLV-blindness link. Anne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch
The few places I have checked require a $10,000 stipend PER cat and that is what I would expect with health issues as cats get older. Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 06:58:55 -0500 From: felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch On 03-07, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: $150.00 for life long care of a cat is not enough. The place I have chosen for my babies requests $400.00 per year per catX the number of years you expect the cat to live. This seams to be more in line consdering what I put out each year on my cats. This is what alerted me to the problems ahead for Caboodle. When searching for a sanctuary for my cats a couple of years ago, I checked with them and when they said only $150. per cat I questioned them about this not being enough, and they got very defensive. Some sanctuaries like Tabby's Place in NJ, charge $15,000, which is very high but more realistic, as vet bills over the years can easily cost that much. I think there must be some good sanctuaries somewhere in between these prices. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :(
I am sorry for your loss :( Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:30:16 -0800 From: sherryd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :( This morning we lost sweet scared S'Matterhe was quite the scaredy cat,but we did our best to calm his fears...he never really trusted us totally,but when I handed out treats I spotted him out of his hiding spot in the last couple monthstook pics to prove to others that he was a little braverwell I hope this wide eyed boy is calm and relaxed nowwe will miss you S'Matter :( Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] last email I received
If everyone just wants a kitty update :) We took Rascal P. Kat to Gulf Coast Veterinary Specialists yesterday for hyperthyroidism. He had a radioiodine treatment today and will be staying there for 3-5 days. They said he should be right as rain once this is all done :) Other than that, the Nuisance of Cats at our house is doing well and still determined to drive me crazy ;) Edna From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:22:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] last email I received This is the last email I think I have receiveddated 3-22-12. - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: botha.marin...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 23 FIRST, make sure your new kitty is vaccinated and just to be safe, I would sterilize food and water bowls, boxes and toys, or replace the toys, Easy to get new milk bottle caps, cardboard boxes, rocks, etc. botha.marin...@gmail.com wrote: Ginger: we want to introduce a 12 week old kitty to our home. What precautions should we take since my beloved Ginger kitty died of feline leukemia? Please help! Marinda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 12:00:02 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 23 Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Scarpetta and Foley Please Add to the CLS :( :( (Sherry DeHaan) 2. Re: Scarpetta and Foley Please Add to the CLS :( :( (ter...@tazzys.org) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:19:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Scarpetta and Foley Please Add to the CLS :( :( Message-ID: 1331947153.4.yahoomailclas...@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 So yesterday one of our former Sids kids Scarpetta had to be let gohe was one sweet boy...I remember the first time meeting himI looked at him, I told him boy you sure are an ugly kittyhe looked at me with his loving beautiful eyes?and gave the sweetest yet strangest meowand instantly he became one of the most beautiful cats I had the honor to know and love...he had a wonderful home for about the last 6 months with our wonderful volunteer Marcia...she has taken home several extra special needs Sids kids and has lost them within this last year...bless her warm heart for taking home some of the most wonderful cats ? Foley,oh Foley...he went home almost a year ago with Julie another awesome kind hearted lady that also has taken home many special Sids kids and have lost so many too recently...well this wonderful tiger boy left this world today...my heart is broken...I was going to go visit him and several of the other former Sids kids this sunday,,,but Julie sent me a message today that she has to let him go...I will be getting a clay paw print of his...he has a paw print in my heart as do all the wonderful Sids kidsso much sadness lately. :( Bless you all...hug your babies tight... Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://felineleukemia.org/pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20120316/4aa7f373/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:28:49 -0700 From: ter...@tazzys.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scarpetta and Foley Please Add to the CLS :( :( Message-ID: 20120317072849.2525078891db7ed7bee9a8d44bd4a6ae.a448074286@email12.secureserver.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://felineleukemia.org/pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20120317/7e43a584/attachment-0001.html
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
You see, I saw his email saying that too, about us hoarders going to shelters and taking all the cats and then selling them for profit and might I just ask what effing planet are you from dude? I have been involved in rescue for over 17 years and every year, I have the receipts to prove that we have spent upwards of $5,000 to $10,000 on fosters and that doesn't even include the litter, food, paper towels, weeks that I got up every two hours to bottle feed a baby only to have her pass because she was just too far gone when I got her. THEN, I ask ONLY an $85 adoption fee so you want to tell me where all this money is I am making? How much do you sell your cats for? Thousands? So, yea SCR*W YOU! YOU are the one breeding your cats for profit, while I am the one picking up their broken little bodies off the streets when people grow weary of having a pet and simply toss them aside. Oh, and I don't HAVE to be nice to someone who immediately starts in with his YOU PEOPLE attitude when HE is the problem, not rescuers, we try to solve the problems HE creates. Off my soapbox now ;) Edna (I calls em as I sees em) Taylor Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 06:48:23 -0700 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats Charles offered to take the cat. I have vet references, personal references, shelter references. I currently have 4 Feline Leukemia positive cats. 2 are foster cats for the shelter I work with. The other 2 were found by friends of mine. Sorry you think I am a bone-head jerk, who goes to shelters, pulls animals, resells them for a profit. Yeah, I wish...Most of the animals we pull from animal control end up costing us 3 or 4 times what we end up getting in adoption fees. We do it for the love of the animal. And many of these animals are purebreds.In fact some of the worst cases be have taken on have been purebred cats retired breeding cats. If you aren't making money on these cats, why are you doing it??? There are plenty of Bengals out there already looking for homes. A friend of mine just got one someone was looking to rehome. I challenge you to work jut one day at a shelter see what we go through for these abandoned animals. Animals who are only there because people were too bone-headed to spay neuter. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! From: Charles Adams texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats Hello Lorrie, I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than lots of children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know who some of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message from God informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on this planet. Charles Adams From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote: I have to believe that the message from Charles was someone's idea of a joke. That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone. It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this post thru rose colored glasses. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
Seems that Chuck is the one being rude (for the most part) and well, keeping his cat in a cage outside just doesn't seem like the type of person that REALLY cares about his cat, but hey, just my opinion. Also, rescuers are entitled to get a bit miffed when someone is adding to the problem because ONLY 1 out of every 10 kittens born will find a home, the rest either die in the shelter or on the streets. WE DON'T NEED MORE PEOPLE BREEDING CATS. If you want to see some examples, I would be happy to put together a word document with the thousands of emails I get from the Houston area every day regarding need homes for these kittens/cats list of cats to die today, etc. etc. From: mckennas...@power-net.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 10:31:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home What the hell kinda group did I join here? I thought this was suppose to be an information and support sight for people with kitties with FIV and FeLuk. Geez, people. I do not agree with breeding, but you’re not gonna change his mind by being nasty. From: Natalie Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Chuck – not only are you rudely calling list members jerks with their heads up their asses, now we’re a bunch of crooks who want to take that unfortunate future “breeder” cat to sell to another breeder, lining our own pockets; this may be your mentality – it’s not ours (if I may speak for everyone here on this one point). There’s honesty and there’s reality, and it’s not pretty. Here’s an analogy: If a murderer admits to killing someone, does that make him a good guy just because he was honest? What’s your point – no, please don’t answer. Just because the woman who sold you the FeLV+ cat pulled the wool over your eyes, you feel slighted, and now she’s the little tramp – you allowed yourself to be duped because you thought you could make a few bucks off this cat and yours, however, the loser in these cases is always the female breeder cat. I would be careful about using all those lovely epithets on this list’s members, who have tried hard with suggestions to help you. Have you even tried some of the very good suggestions from all the members who wrote on the subject? I happen to care about cats, no matter whose they are. http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=istry+of+FeLV+positive+cats+shelters From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Charles Adams Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Come on people wake up and smell the damn coffee. I got this cat from some little tramp who goes to animal shelter posing to be someone who cares about the animals and promises to take care of them and then sells them the first chance she gets. Do you actually think I am going to trust some dirt bag that give me that story again. I may have been born recently but it wasn't last night. I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she would have to be re-homed again. You just can't trust anyone anymore. At least I am honest and telling you what I am doing with my cats. From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:48 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can. Thank you! Lynda Wilson ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5029 - Release Date: 05/28/12 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
AMEN BEN :) YOU ROCK :) From: drsiebl...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:46:30 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats You might also consider, Charles, that most of us on this list have gone through the very painful experience of having lost a beloved cat to FeLV or FiV or both. Personally, when my Dexter was suffering from the effects of this disease, I joined this list to find out different ways to help him and the people here were compassionate and kind. Keeping him in a cage was never a consideration and I would have spent any amount of money possible to ease his pain and to help him feel better. So, when you come here talking about your caged cats and your lost $300, you come off as a profiteer and someone completely clueless about cats in general. I've owned a purebred cat before - many years ago. I would never have even considered a purebred raised in an environment such as the one you describe. Kittens need to be raised under foot; socialized with people and from cat parents who are treated with nothing but love as members of a family. I'm not just making this up - go online and read a few webpages - successful breeders do this. Successful breeders never make much money, either. They are successful because their kittens are well socialized and integrate well into new households. Breeders who operate for quick financial gain with no regard to temperament never last long. So, let me be blunt: if you are for real and you are treating your cats this way, you should be ashamed of yourself. By the way, there are new puppy mill laws in Texas that apply to cat breeders - cage raising is prohibited by this law. Also, keeping your FeLV girl outdoors? Huge mistake. She needs to be sequestered indoors where she can't spread the virus. If money is all you care about, then I'll pay you the $300 you lost as well as $500 for your stud, if you surrender both of them to the kind lady from this who offered to take them in. I'll do this if you promise to stay out of the breeding business. Sadly, I doubt you'll take me up on this, but this is a real offer. Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Charles Adams texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Lorrie, I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than lots of children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know who some of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message from God informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on this planet. Charles Adams From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote: I have to believe that the message from Charles was someone's idea of a joke. That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone. It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this post thru rose colored glasses. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
And you know what? Sometimes people just need to be called on their bad behavior, plain and simple. As Atia2 pointed out Chuck seems to ONLY be concerned about how much money he is out. He should take Ben up on his generous offer because at least then, those two cats would have a good, quality life, not one confined to a cage outside or just tossed to the elements to get pregnant and spread disease - sheesh. Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 11:00:54 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home You are right, this is a group for that purpose. But have you had any reason to believe otherwise until just now? NO. However, this topic is a sore point for most of the people in this group who are rescuers and caretakers of sick cats. And please consider who is the rude on in these exchanges? Charles seems to care not about the illness and how to help the cat, but how to get rid of her and get his money back. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of McKenna's Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home What the hell kinda group did I join here? I thought this was suppose to be an information and support sight for people with kitties with FIV and FeLuk. Geez, people. I do not agree with breeding, but you’re not gonna change his mind by being nasty. From: Natalie Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Chuck – not only are you rudely calling list members jerks with their heads up their asses, now we’re a bunch of crooks who want to take that unfortunate future “breeder” cat to sell to another breeder, lining our own pockets; this may be your mentality – it’s not ours (if I may speak for everyone here on this one point). There’s honesty and there’s reality, and it’s not pretty. Here’s an analogy: If a murderer admits to killing someone, does that make him a good guy just because he was honest? What’s your point – no, please don’t answer. Just because the woman who sold you the FeLV+ cat pulled the wool over your eyes, you feel slighted, and now she’s the little tramp – you allowed yourself to be duped because you thought you could make a few bucks off this cat and yours, however, the loser in these cases is always the female breeder cat. I would be careful about using all those lovely epithets on this list’s members, who have tried hard with suggestions to help you. Have you even tried some of the very good suggestions from all the members who wrote on the subject? I happen to care about cats, no matter whose they are. http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=istry+of+FeLV+positive+cats+shelters From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Charles Adams Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Come on people wake up and smell the damn coffee. I got this cat from some little tramp who goes to animal shelter posing to be someone who cares about the animals and promises to take care of them and then sells them the first chance she gets. Do you actually think I am going to trust some dirt bag that give me that story again. I may have been born recently but it wasn't last night. I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she would have to be re-homed again. You just can't trust anyone anymore. At least I am honest and telling you what I am doing with my cats. From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:48 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can. Thank you! Lynda Wilson ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5029 - Release Date: 05/28/12 ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] Check out An orphan baby raccoon. [VIDEO]
OMG, is the the cutest video EVER :) LOVE when he is eating popcorn on the couch :) Our house backs up to a forest reserve so we have many many raccoons that we feed in the backyard :) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:53:36 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Check out An orphan baby raccoon. [VIDEO] Everyone, speaking of raccoons……adorable video! Check out an orphan baby raccoon. [VIDEO] An orphan baby raccoon. [VIDEO] ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 2 Darling Devils..
We have two cats at our house that had Calici when we rescued them and it should not be a lifelong stigma because once they are over it and continue to get an FVRCP vaccination every year there should be no issues. Also, if they are adopted into a household with other cats and those cats are vaccinated, there should not be a problem with them either. I have never heard of anyone not wanting to adopt a cat because he/she had the flu when he/she was a kitten. Basically, that is what the Calicivirus is, the flu, and while it CAN (and often does) kill a cat, not adopting because a cat was once sick seems ludicrous to me. Send me some pictures and I will circulate them Edna Texas Siamese RescueFrom: linda.dem...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:41:24 -0400 Subject: [Felvtalk] 2 Darling Devils.. Hello Everyone, I am writing to you all in hopes that I may reach a broader group of wonderful people. Over 6 months ago I rescued 2 kittens that are both negative for fiv/felv but had the calisi virus and were scheduled for euthanasia. They were from different litters and grouped together. I went in an scooped them up and spent close to 1000dollars on treatment medication vaccinations neuter microchip etc. They are now healthy and ready for a new home...problem is they are about 6.6 months old and I have had zero interest in them. I am willing to do out of state adoptions, but I will not make any exceptions on a vet reference and a home visit...which is what I am requesting.These guys are awesome and I would love for them to be adopted together because they have bonded so well, however I will not deny either one of them a good home because of this. I am in it for the long haul...I just really need help advocating their adoption because apparently there is some stigma attached to them due to the calisi they had as babesany and all positive and constructive advise is super duper appreciatedthank you all...and God Bless! Linda Demiri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Barnaby in your thoughts
I am so very sorry :( Keeping him in my prayers Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:28:19 -0700 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Please keep Barnaby in your thoughts One of my FeLV foster cats, Barnaby, was adopted last week. His adopters kept him in a bathroom for 2 days (they were told to give him at least 2 weeks to get used to being moved) then let him out in a house. He immediately went in a crawl space in the basement. The space is inaccessible. He has not eaten food that has been left in the ceiling. This is going on a week now he has not had food or water. We are going over tonight to with a snake camera which can see into tight places. We have to decide whether to cut a hole in the side of the house or remove the bathtub.Please don't judge this persons involved. Just please keep him in your thoughts tonight. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] NY Times: Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough
personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their suffering. What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in bed in a vegetative state? Who are we keeping that person alive for? to what end? If it were me, and I had some life ending disease or accident, I would want my husband to use what money we had, go out and get as much booze and coke as he could get and let me go out with a bang ;) But then again, that is just my opinion ;) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 11:51:19 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] NY Times: Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough Very informative an interesting article, and make sure you check out the ones available within the copy, too! http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/opinion/sunday/deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough.html?src=meref=general ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
No fluids? WHAT? they won't let someone die via assistance but it's OKAY to let them suffer without fluids? That is wrong on SO many levels :( From: marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 08:24:19 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 26, 2012, at 5:43 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 09-25, Marcia wrote: My 3 other siblings and I took care of my Mom for 3 weeks while she died at home. Her request(: hospice said no fluid, so she laid there with nothing all that time, struggling to breath, to swallow. Etc. I only cried one time during that 3 weeks, because I had a job to do that required quite a bit of mental strength and clarity. The day I broke down was when Timothy McVay was euthanized. I cried because my mother was suffering and that son of a bitch died effortlessly. People should have that choice and in some countries they do. But not here in the land of the free. That must have been a terrible expeience for you Marcia. Wasn't she given fluids by mouth and morphine? As for McVay - He should have been tortured to death! Criminals also get free surgery and all the other things we don't get. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
They just want to get as much MONEY from the family and their insurance company as they can :( Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:57:47 -0400 From: felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive and they never give patients enough pain medication. I've worked in hospitals and heard patients crying and moaning with no relief, because doctors are afraid patients might get addicted. This ridiculous when the person is gonna die anyway!! On 09-26, Marcia Baronda wrote: My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw
Lorrie, I agree with you 100%. My Mom has wanted to adopt several kittens I have had in the past and I have always told her NO because she declaws, then she complains that her cats aren't as sweet and social as they were when they were kittens and I say that's because you tortured and mutilated them, good going Mom. That is one position that I will NOT back down from and I don't care if it hurts my Mom's feelings because she should have never done it in the first place and for what? furniture? pppft. Don't get me wrong, I love my Mom but I don't agree with what she did. Declawing is cruel and inhumane :( Joslin, I am sorry for your loss of Zoey :( Edna Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 06:10:58 -0700 From: joslinir...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw I no longer declaw my cats, Zoey passed away a week ago, I no longer declaw my cats. From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw You declawed your cat? I will send you some information about this. It is NOT a good thing to do. People don't realize what's involved when a cat is declawed. They think it's just a manicure, but it's actually amputation of the digit of each toe along with the nail. It's a very serious and excruciatingly painful surgery to inflict on cats and kittens. It is in fact ten different amputations! Because some veterinarians advocate it, to make extra $$$, people believe that there are no risks involved and think it's merely a simple procedure. It is NOT. Veterinarians who perform this surgery do not tell people that this surgery can cause all or a combination of all the following Personality changes, such as withdrawal, unpredictability biting (they now feel helpless, as biting is their only means of defense). The most common problem with declawed cats is urinating and defecating outside of the litter box. The reason is that it is extremely painful to step on litter after the surgery, and in many cases a cat will never use it's box again. Walk into any shelter and you'll see many declawed cats there who have been given up, due to one or more of the above reasons. Here's a perfect example: We know of a couple who, when expecting a baby, had their two adult cats declawed; what they got instead, was far more dangerous to a baby than scratching - unpredictable and serious biting! They had no choice but to have their cats of 6 years killed because no one in their right mind would adopt them. Cats need claws for many reasons During play her claws snag flying toys out of the air and hold them in place. A cat uses claws to scratch an itch, manipulate catnip mice, grip a narrow catwalk, hoist her body up to a high-up perch. Most important of all, claws are lifesavers, enabling a cat to climb to safety or thwart an attacker if she should get outside by accident. All this and much more is lost when a cat is declawed. Unlike routine recoveries, including recovery from neutering surgeries, which are fairly peaceful, declawing surgery results in excruciating pain. Cats huddle in the corner of the recovery cage, immobilized in a state of helplessness, overwhelmed with pain. Declawing is a major operation. The patient is first put under general anesthesia, as the pain would be torturous without it. A tourniquet is placed around the first paw to be declawed. The veterinarian then performs a series of ten amputations. Each amputation removes the claw and the bone into which it is firmly rooted. The supporting tendons and ligaments for each claw are severed. The surrounding soft tissue and flesh is cut off, and a veterinary technician bandages up kitty's paws to soak up the blood. Kitty is now declawed. The retractable claws that she would have used throughout her life for scratching, playing, walking, and self defense lie in a heap on the table, waiting to get thrown out with the trash. Declawing Sites www. stopdeclaw.com a powerful anti-declaw site. http://www.declawing.com/ -- veterinarian Christianne Schelling describes declawing in plain English. http://www.de-clawing.com/ http://www.declaw.com/ http://www.catscratching.com/ Declawing has been banned in over 20 other countries. I think the only reason it's still done here is vets make a lot of money from it, plus people are uninformed about how cruel and painful it is. On 10-03, Joslin Potter wrote: You make a good point Natialie, When we took Zoey in to be fixed and declawed we didn't realize that in a few months when he was dx with FeLV that we would be seeing them a lot more often then planned, I also recommened them to everyone and sometimes get discounts for refering friends. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] President
Why is that? I believe that people can have different opinions yet still be friends and get along and discuss their differences nicely. I am liberal in some things but conservative in others, I do not vote based on party affiliation, I vote based on what that one particular candidate has to offer. Sometimes I vote Democrat, sometimes I vote Republican, it all depends on the issues at hand. From: siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:51:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I think this topic should be off limits here. Terri - Original Message - From: Joslin Potter To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] President Hey guys not to get off from subject but I was interested in what everyone thinks about the Presidential Canidates, is their a reason why one should choose one over the other? Obama pledges support for nearly every animal protection bill currently pending in Congress, and says he will work with executive agencies such as the U.S. Department of Agriculture to make their policies more humane, according to Global Philosophy. However Mitt Romeny has made no clear statements or policies on animal issues. Reports also show that Romney has received thousands in campaign donations from the HSUS. However, he has done a few things in his state for better laws in reference to animal cruilty. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] President
Thanks for sharing that with us because I have wondered how someone in the healthcare industry felt about it. Speaking from the perspective of someone whose husband lost his job 3 days before Christmas in 2008 and all of the promises made by the current administration to help with mortgages, healthcare, etc., I'm not seeing it, nor were we helped in any size, shape or fashion. With regards to healthcare, we were told that because I had a full time job, I could (in a nutshell) s*ck it up and pay out an additional $500 a month to cover my husband and his son on my company's insurance plan until he found a job. We were also told that we had too much equity in our home so we didn't qualify for any mortgage assistance and in the end, I simply borrowed from his and my 401K and we just made ends meet until 15 months later he found full time employment. So, who is the better candidate? I really don't know :( Oh and to keep on track with kitty discussions for this group and speaking of FeLuk, one of our kitties that we thought was feral but ended up not being feral, so we brought her inside was diagnosed with a rapidly advancing cancer a few weeks ago and she is only about 2-3 years old. The doctor said that the type of cancer she has indicates that she was exposed to FeLuk as a kitten but managed to shed the virus since she does not have it. Unfortunately, it did its damage anyway :( SuzieQ has maybe a month to live so we are making her comfortable and loving on her until she lets us know that she is ready to cross over :( From: siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:33:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President Well, I have a different take on the whole healthcare thing because I work for a health insurance company. I understand how the business works. That being said, there are good things about the Obamacare, but there are some things that are NOT. So I disagree that it should stand as it is. It needs to be replaced. My opinion. I cannot speak on behalf of my employer. Terri - Original Message - From: Joslin Potter To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I'm sorry to hear that, I've been taking it from people on facebook as I am just trying to understand what each of them is for. For me it's healthcare, that is what intrests me the most however, when it comes to people like Mike Vick, there need to be better laws put into place, i just wondered how everyone else felt, no judgement from me. Like i told a friend, we hall have and know something someone else might not. From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I've had family members BASH me for my beliefs. So I prefer not to discuss politics, especially with people who don't really know me. T - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President Why is that? I believe that people can have different opinions yet still be friends and get along and discuss their differences nicely. I am liberal in some things but conservative in others, I do not vote based on party affiliation, I vote based on what that one particular candidate has to offer. Sometimes I vote Democrat, sometimes I vote Republican, it all depends on the issues at hand. From: siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:51:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I think this topic should be off limits here. Terri - Original Message - From: Joslin Potter To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] President Hey guys not to get off from subject but I was interested in what everyone thinks about the Presidential Canidates, is their a reason why one should choose one over the other? Obama pledges support for nearly every animal protection bill currently pending in Congress, and says he will work with executive agencies such as the U.S. Department of Agriculture to make their policies more humane, according to Global Philosophy. However Mitt Romeny has made no clear statements or policies on animal issues. Reports also show that Romney has received thousands in campaign donations from the HSUS. However, he has done a few things in his state for better laws in reference to animal cruilty
Re: [Felvtalk] President
All very valid points. Maybe I am one of those weird folks who just doesn't get angry or upset if someone votes a different way. I guess that is why I always thought it was odd that people get so mad about politics or religion, cause I just don't care one way or the other ;) Also, any suggestions on making SuzieQ's last days comfortable (I posted about her yesterday, 2-3 year old, cancer, no cure, caused from exposure to FeLuk even though she was able to shed the virus, etc.) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 09:16:13 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I've never been a list moderator or been a position to direct anything except to try to direct a bunch of cats to use the litter boxes. However, let me just add a bit of wisdom or non-wisdom, however you want to view it. Discussing politics and religion usually causes minor skirmishes and major wars on any list or even in a group around the dinner table. We all have opinions. If the opinions are about food, clothing, the color of the freshly painted house down the street, why the neighbor would ever buy a Chihuahua/Great Dane mix dog or anything but religion and politics, we state our opinion, have a chuckle sometimes, compliment each other for being able to put a few words together in a sentence and go on with the day. But just start a thread in a group about politics in an election year and all h*** breaks loose. Even if half the list is in agreement that one or another candidate is a total screw-up, the other half of the list goes bananas and defends their total screw-up to the last flaming word. Unfortunately this is because most people don't use logic and research to pick a candidate. So what you get is pure emotion. Other people know deep inside that they are supporting someone who isn't exactly wonderful but they are not going to vote for that OTHER PARTY because mom, dad, grandma, granddad never voted for that PARTY. It is my opinion that most elections are based on who can sell the product better and the prejudice of the voters for or against the actual person. I don't mean color or ethnic group although that also comes into the mix. What I mean is that no one even goes to check out the facts. Like we are now having a problem with whether Romney strapped his dog carrier to the top of his car. Or in the past, whether Mr. Obama was a citizen of the United States, or whether he was a secret Muslim. These are all smoke screens to keep people from thinking about real issues, like the price of food constantly going up, how much money the oil companies are actually making when they raise the price of gas every time someone mentions Iran or Iraq or any other issue important to our daily lives. If I spend an hour doing a search on how many bills were passed by the candidates that benefited me or took away something for me, I would do much better as an informed voter than if I spent my time reading about Romney's dog or Obama's birth certificate. This, I think, is why we get angry with someone who has an opinion that does not match ours. We are not really solidly informed before we take the opinion in the first place. Like standing on the edge of a cliff, afraid that someone will push us off and lying to ourselves that if we scream loud and long enough, we won't lose our balance. Maybe we should just stick to cats and trade information on how to make their lives better and longer. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President This is why I don't think we should be discussing this on this list. - Original Message - From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President It is true. On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote: I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but it's not true. Terri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
REALLY? Y'all think so? I don't think anyone is being mean and hateful, but then again, I tend to see the positive side of most things :) Anywho, I'll ask again DOES anyone have any advice on things I can do to make SuzieQ more comfortable in her last days. She is 2-3 years old, was diagnosed with a rapidly advancing cancer a couple of weeks ago, doctor said she was exposed to FeLuk as a kitten even though she was able to shed the virus but there is nothing we can do because the cancer has already compromised her liver, etc. Anyone have any pearls of wisdom to share From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:46:04 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the people were so wonderful. It has gone way, way downhill. On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote: I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Don't fret Elizabeth. Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here. We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test FeLv+. It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group. We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe styles. If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with your issue. Blessings. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the world hunt—they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the list in the first place. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
She does get nauseous a lot and we have her on some strong pain meds. She is losing so much weight but I give her Fancy Feast and love on her. Unlike dogs, cats are such picky eaters to begin with :( I wish she would eat burgers and fries. The vet who diagnosed her has been our vet for a long time and I absolutely trust her. I knew something was wrong with SuzieQ because she just wasn't acting like herself and she was a bit thinner and then Dr. M found a big mass in her abdomen, did surgery and took a biopsy, it came back cancer :( I try to give her lots of attention but unfortunately Frank goes out of town so much and I work full-time so when I get home I have to clean up and take care of everyone else and then I try to spend extra time alone with her :( From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:40:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again Give SusieQ lots of pain meds and ice cream. Oh wait, that's my prescription. I guess all you can do is keep her happy and feeling good as long as possible. You just address each problem as it comes up. Anything specific going on right now? I know when the liver starts going it makes them nauseated. There's some meds that can help with that if she's feeling good otherwise. Do you really trust this vet? You could always get a second opinion if there's any doubt in your mind that he might have misdiagnosed her. Hard to tell you what to do without knowing if there is something specific bothering her right now. Heard accupuncture helps with pain and different things but it depends on whether she's having pain right now. If there really is nothing left to do just give her anything she wants even if you normally wouldn't give it to them. When my dog had cancer we went to Burger King and Dairy Queen a lot. I cooked anything I could think of that he might really like. We had salmon fillets, talapia, etc. Anything he wanted or anything I thought he might want he got. But most especially I held him and loved on him. Same with the cats. They got lots of extra attention. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:52:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again REALLY? Y'all think so? I don't think anyone is being mean and hateful, but then again, I tend to see the positive side of most things :) Anywho, I'll ask again DOES anyone have any advice on things I can do to make SuzieQ more comfortable in her last days. She is 2-3 years old, was diagnosed with a rapidly advancing cancer a couple of weeks ago, doctor said she was exposed to FeLuk as a kitten even though she was able to shed the virus but there is nothing we can do because the cancer has already compromised her liver, etc. Anyone have any pearls of wisdom to share From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:46:04 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the people were so wonderful. It has gone way, way downhill. On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote: I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Don't fret Elizabeth. Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here. We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test FeLv+. It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group. We all agree
Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
My vet frowns on using any dog flea product on cats because she said even though it is the same ingredients, the portions of the same ingredients may be different. However, I understand that when we have many it is costly. Heck, we brought home a kitty that had walking mange (chewing lice - lovely) and in an overabundance of caution we put Advantage (or Revolution, can't remember) on everyone and it was about $400 to dose everyone in the house - YIKES From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:48:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products Also - don't get Advantage Multi for Dogs and break it down for cats. Regular Advantage for dogs is okay to break down for cats but don't use the Multi. Some extra ingredient in there is bad news for cats. Obviously the cat Multi is okay. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 11:32:14 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products Of course you should ALWAYS ask a vet what the dosage is and what product is safe for cats. If you look at the label of Revolution and of Frontline Plus, you will see that the ingredients are exactly the same for dogs as for cats but not the dosage. So you have to get the dosage correct. With Revolution, it would be 0.035 and for Frontline, it's 0.05. You need to talk to your vet about this and explain that you are on a very limited budget with cats who need flea treatment and ask for the dose from her/him. If your vet doesn't want to do that, there are FILES at feral_c...@yahoogroups.com that explain dosages. Those of us who are caring for multiple cats really can't afford $16 a dose of flea treatment for each of 20 to 40 cats each month. I have a measuring syringe with the exact dosage marked off in permanent ink pen. You MUST read labels and compare the dog product ingredients to the cat product ingredients. You're right that Advantix is deadly for cats because there's an extra one or two ingredients added that are only safe for dogs. I distrust the generic or store brand that says that it works as good as whatever you are buying it to replace. Sometimes, these products are NOT as good. So you have to be careful or you will have a cat full of fleas AND fleas product. AND PLEASE, whatever you do, don't buy Hartz products. They are a company that doesn't care if animals die from their terrible flea and tick products or are paralyzed for life. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products This is why off-topic posts should be kept off list. I almost deleted this because the subject line said President The Advantage dosage I have used for years got from my vet is .4 if the cat is 8lb or under .8 is over 8lbs Just remeber the dosage is different if you are using Advantage or Frontline. make sure you are using a product that is safe on cats. MOST OF THE NEW DOG PRODUCTS ARE NOT OK TO USE ON CATS - EG. ADVANTIX Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President What I do is buy the Large Dog size Frontline Plus and break it into 0.05 doses. Each tube that would treat one dog, treats seven cats. Since I have a lot of cats, I buy the 6 pack, which costs me about $60 at Costco. I can treat 42 cats. It breaks down to about $1.45 a cat. However, if you don't have a quantity of cats, you could buy the 3 pack. I think it's about $32. Each tube treats 7 cats. I think another Yahoo list, feral_c...@yahoogroups.com has the information on how to dose out Frontline, Advantage and Revolution from the Large Dog size. Join and look in Files. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President I have a cat question: I just bought some Advantage flea drops and whew, it's expensive. I have 5 cats, one of which has a horrible flea-bite allergy. Usually I only have to use the drops in the summer months. All the cats get the drops. Does anyone have any suggestions on cheaper flea drop alternatives? The cat with the flea-bite allergy is so sensitive, she can't even get the drops
