Re: [Finale] Need help with HP LJ 5000 and MacOS Mojave
To everyone who offered help: I seem to have solved the problem by restarting the router. To be honest, this makes very little sense to me (since only my Mojave Mac had any problems), and I still fear it may not work after a while, but at least this way I can now access the web interface. If it stops working again my suspicion is that it all has to do with the implementation of Rendezvous, now called Bonjour, aka mDNS. In that case I will start by switching that off, which can be done in the web interface. I am glad I did this before resetting the printing system or using the migration assistant, since both these would probably have lost all my other printer setups as well, which I was trying to avoid. Anyhow, thanks to all! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Need help with HP LJ 5000 and MacOS Mojave
I guess the printer may have some serial and parallel connectors, but I wouldn't know how to connect it to a modern Mac. It is definitely pre-USB... It is a network printer, that's the way it is usually connected. Am 06.05.19 um 11:05 schrieb David H. Bailey: On 5/6/2019 2:25 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Am 05.05.19 um 21:42 schrieb David H. Bailey: Have you tried hooking a cable up between your macbook and the printer and printing directly, just to see if Mojave will actually print to that printer without any network situation intervening? The MacBook does not have Ethernet. You misunderstood me -- I meant a direct cable (most likely USB) from your macbook to the printer itself, not involving any network at all. -- * David H. Bailey dhbaile...@comcast.net http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Need help with HP LJ 5000 and MacOS Mojave
Am 06.05.19 um 00:47 schrieb Fiskum, Steve: I’ve had this problem before with my 5000 especially if you do a clean install. I fixed the issue using migration assistant. I can’t find the link I used for the description on how to do this but basically I connected to my other machine that still printed to the 5000 and just migrated the printer settings then everything worked perfectly. I had all the same issues you describe and it fixed it in a matter of minutes. Dear Steve, I really don't understand what you did to make it work. As far as I can see the problem is not really a driver problem, but a problem of network communication with the printer. Even without any drivers I should be able to ping the printer and talk to the web interface - which my Mac cannot. How could I migrate this? Can you give me a step-by-step? Thanks, Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Need help with HP LJ 5000 and MacOS Mojave
Am 05.05.19 um 21:42 schrieb David H. Bailey: Have you tried hooking a cable up between your macbook and the printer and printing directly, just to see if Mojave will actually print to that printer without any network situation intervening? The MacBook does not have Ethernet. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Need help with HP LJ 5000 and MacOS Mojave
On my wife's computer I get what I assume is the normal ping response with a ms-value for each ping. My Macbook like my wife's is connected via WIFI, mine doesn't even have an ethernet connection. Everything worked fine until I upgraded to Mojave. The WIFI in the house consists of A Fritzbox router connected to the DSL Another Fritzbox router used as a WIFI repeater, where the printer is connected via ethernet. My Macbook lives in the same room as that repeater fritzbox, so it usually connects to that WIFI. There is also a little Fritz WIFI repeater, which is what my wife's computer is connected through. Just to make sure that this doesn't play a role, I took my computer into that room, it connected to the WIFI through the little repeater (the Fritzbox can show the Mesh-setup in detail). No change, it could still not access the printer. The WIFI access was now identical to my wife's Mac, at least in terms of where the computer was connected in relation to the printer. Ergo, I am pretty sure it has to do with the computer's setup, or Mojave itself. There must be a setting I have overlooked, which prevents the computer from talking properly to the printer. Johannes Am 05.05.19 um 19:18 schrieb Robert Patterson: So first things first. Check that ping actually produces different results on your wife's machine. Then make doubly certain you have the right IP address. After that you have to start investigating why your computer can't see the printer. Do you have any separate routers or wifi access points other than your main router? On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 12:16 PM Johannes Gebauer wrote: So here is the real result: [Johannes-MacBook:~] johannesgebauer% ping 192.168.178.29 PING 192.168.178.29 (192.168.178.29): 56 data bytes Request timeout for icmp_seq 0 Request timeout for icmp_seq 1 Request timeout for icmp_seq 2 Request timeout for icmp_seq 3 Request timeout for icmp_seq 4 Request timeout for icmp_seq 5 Request timeout for icmp_seq 6 Request timeout for icmp_seq 7 ^Z Suspended [Johannes-MacBook:~] johannesgebauer% Expected? Am 05.05.19 um 18:31 schrieb Robert Patterson: Suppose your printer's IP address is 192.168.1.5. Open your terminal and type in ping 192.168.1.5 If your computer can see the address it should start responding continuously until you hit ctrl-Z. If it doesn't, then for some reason your computer doesn't see the printer. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Need help with HP LJ 5000 and MacOS Mojave
So here is the real result: [Johannes-MacBook:~] johannesgebauer% ping 192.168.178.29 PING 192.168.178.29 (192.168.178.29): 56 data bytes Request timeout for icmp_seq 0 Request timeout for icmp_seq 1 Request timeout for icmp_seq 2 Request timeout for icmp_seq 3 Request timeout for icmp_seq 4 Request timeout for icmp_seq 5 Request timeout for icmp_seq 6 Request timeout for icmp_seq 7 ^Z Suspended [Johannes-MacBook:~] johannesgebauer% Expected? Am 05.05.19 um 18:31 schrieb Robert Patterson: Suppose your printer's IP address is 192.168.1.5. Open your terminal and type in ping 192.168.1.5 If your computer can see the address it should start responding continuously until you hit ctrl-Z. If it doesn't, then for some reason your computer doesn't see the printer. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Need help with HP LJ 5000 and MacOS Mojave
Sorry, please ignore this, the printer was off. I'll try again... Am 05.05.19 um 19:11 schrieb Johannes Gebauer: Dear Robert, I get this: Last login: Sun May 5 16:50:07 on ttys000 [Johannes-MacBook:~] johannesgebauer% ping 192.168.178.29 PING 192.168.178.29 (192.168.178.29): 56 data bytes Request timeout for icmp_seq 0 Request timeout for icmp_seq 1 Request timeout for icmp_seq 2 Request timeout for icmp_seq 3 ping: sendto: No route to host Request timeout for icmp_seq 4 ping: sendto: Host is down Request timeout for icmp_seq 5 ping: sendto: Host is down Request timeout for icmp_seq 6 ping: sendto: Host is down Request timeout for icmp_seq 7 ping: sendto: Host is down Request timeout for icmp_seq 8 ping: sendto: Host is down Request timeout for icmp_seq 9 ping: sendto: Host is down Request timeout for icmp_seq 10 ping: sendto: Host is down Request timeout for icmp_seq 11 ping: sendto: Host is down Request timeout for icmp_seq 12 ping: sendto: Host is down Request timeout for icmp_seq 13 ping: sendto: Host is down Request timeout for icmp_seq 14 ^Z Suspended [Johannes-MacBook:~] johannesgebauer% Is this what you would expect? Am 05.05.19 um 18:31 schrieb Robert Patterson: Suppose your printer's IP address is 192.168.1.5. Open your terminal and type in ping 192.168.1.5 If your computer can see the address it should start responding continuously until you hit ctrl-Z. If it doesn't, then for some reason your computer doesn't see the printer. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Need help with HP LJ 5000 and MacOS Mojave
Dear Robert, I get this: Last login: Sun May 5 16:50:07 on ttys000 [Johannes-MacBook:~] johannesgebauer% ping 192.168.178.29 PING 192.168.178.29 (192.168.178.29): 56 data bytes Request timeout for icmp_seq 0 Request timeout for icmp_seq 1 Request timeout for icmp_seq 2 Request timeout for icmp_seq 3 ping: sendto: No route to host Request timeout for icmp_seq 4 ping: sendto: Host is down Request timeout for icmp_seq 5 ping: sendto: Host is down Request timeout for icmp_seq 6 ping: sendto: Host is down Request timeout for icmp_seq 7 ping: sendto: Host is down Request timeout for icmp_seq 8 ping: sendto: Host is down Request timeout for icmp_seq 9 ping: sendto: Host is down Request timeout for icmp_seq 10 ping: sendto: Host is down Request timeout for icmp_seq 11 ping: sendto: Host is down Request timeout for icmp_seq 12 ping: sendto: Host is down Request timeout for icmp_seq 13 ping: sendto: Host is down Request timeout for icmp_seq 14 ^Z Suspended [Johannes-MacBook:~] johannesgebauer% Is this what you would expect? Am 05.05.19 um 18:31 schrieb Robert Patterson: Suppose your printer's IP address is 192.168.1.5. Open your terminal and type in ping 192.168.1.5 If your computer can see the address it should start responding continuously until you hit ctrl-Z. If it doesn't, then for some reason your computer doesn't see the printer. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Need help with HP LJ 5000 and MacOS Mojave
Am 05.05.19 um 18:22 schrieb Robert Patterson: Does the printer answer a ping? How do I test this? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Need help with HP LJ 5000 and MacOS Mojave
Dear Robert, well, since noone else reported problems of their HP 5000 I assumed there must be drier compatibility. However, the real test right now is accessing the web interface of the printer, which works from my wife's Mac, and even from my iphone, but not from my own Mac. Now, this is definitely not a driver issue, as no driver needs to be installed. So what is it? I can access all other internal network addresses from my mac just fine. This is driving me nuts, I desperately need to print some music out. Am 05.05.19 um 18:00 schrieb Robert Patterson: i don't know why you doubt lack of compatibility with Mojave. It could well be that. How old is the driver, and is there a newer one? In a pinch you should be able to access it as a share on your wife's computer. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Need help with HP LJ 5000 and MacOS Mojave
Another update: Disabling the firewall makes no difference. I can also not access the web interface of the printer from my Mojave Mac, while it can be accessed easily from my wife's El Capitan machine. There must be a setting here that I haven't found, and it is obviously not a driver issue. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Need help with HP LJ 5000 and MacOS Mojave
Yes, config page is as it should be, and the printer works fine in the same network from my wife's Mac with El Capitan. So it must be either some security setting with mine, or an incompatiblity with Mojave, which I rather doubt. I'll try disabling the firewall as a test. Am 05.05.19 um 17:07 schrieb j...@thomastudios.com: Worst-case scenario is that your Jet Direct card is incompatible or toast; but I kind of doubt the latter. I had a 5100 that lost all ethernet connectivity following a power outage. I purchased a Jet Direct 635 card from Amazon that fixed my issue, and it was faster, 1000 baseT versus 100 for the old 615 card. Did you print a config page and does it print out the Network info Thomas alluded to? After my power outage, a config page showed now JD card installed, even tho is was indeed there. *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios On May 5, 2019, at 6:40 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I hope there are still some HP 5000 users here... I recently upgraded to Macos Mojave, I had been on a much older version (Sierra or High Sierra, cannot remember). Ever since I upgraded I cannot get my HP 5000 to print any more. Has anything changed in how it is accessed? Is there anything I can do? My HP 5000 is connected via an Ethernet cable to the router, via its J4169A interface, which seems to have the latest firmware. The printer is seen in the add printer control panel as a Bonjour printer. I tried both this and the HP JetDirect - Socket connection. I have enabled all available protocols, but the computer doesn't seem to talk to the printer. Nothing gets printed... Any ideas? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Need help with HP LJ 5000 and MacOS Mojave
Just to add: The printer works just fine with exactly the same setup from my wife's computer running El Capitan. So it is definitely something to do with Mojave. Some security setting perhaps? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Need help with HP LJ 5000 and MacOS Mojave
This is exactly what I did, but it doesn't seem to work any more. Am 05.05.19 um 15:44 schrieb Thomas Schaller: How I always set it up after system upgrades is to print a Configuration page from the printer itself to see what IP address it has on the network. Then use the HP JetDirect connection type and manually enter that IP address. That usually does it for me. Good luck, Thomas On May 5, 2019, at 8:40 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I hope there are still some HP 5000 users here... I recently upgraded to Macos Mojave, I had been on a much older version (Sierra or High Sierra, cannot remember). Ever since I upgraded I cannot get my HP 5000 to print any more. Has anything changed in how it is accessed? Is there anything I can do? My HP 5000 is connected via an Ethernet cable to the router, via its J4169A interface, which seems to have the latest firmware. The printer is seen in the add printer control panel as a Bonjour printer. I tried both this and the HP JetDirect - Socket connection. I have enabled all available protocols, but the computer doesn't seem to talk to the printer. Nothing gets printed... Any ideas? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Need help with HP LJ 5000 and MacOS Mojave
I hope there are still some HP 5000 users here... I recently upgraded to Macos Mojave, I had been on a much older version (Sierra or High Sierra, cannot remember). Ever since I upgraded I cannot get my HP 5000 to print any more. Has anything changed in how it is accessed? Is there anything I can do? My HP 5000 is connected via an Ethernet cable to the router, via its J4169A interface, which seems to have the latest firmware. The printer is seen in the add printer control panel as a Bonjour printer. I tried both this and the HP JetDirect - Socket connection. I have enabled all available protocols, but the computer doesn't seem to talk to the printer. Nothing gets printed... Any ideas? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Default speedy entry frame width
I am setting up Finale for a friend, and I would like automatic music spacing to be on. This means, that most of the time when you start entering music in Speedy the frame is tiny, because at some point before the empty measure had been spaced and is now small. Is there any way to make the Speedy entry frame default to a larger width, so that one can actually see the notes being entered? I realise that one could just make the measure larger before opening the Speedy frame, but that requires extra steps. It seems silly that this user-unfriendly relic has stayed as bad as ever over the years... Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] PDF export and placed graphics
I tried that, but it doesn't seem to make any difference, the only solution is still to position the placed graphic relating to page edge rather than margin (which seems to be the default). Am 13.09.17 um 04:47 schrieb Christopher Smith: > I had trouble exporting partial pages from any page after page 1. The margins > were not what I selected. The solution tech support gave me was to use > View>Looseleaf Style: Current Page Only. This was the only way I could export > partial pages. Let us know if this helps you. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] PDF export and placed graphics
Whatever the case, in my original mail I gave a workaround which works well, so I have no need for a PDF exporter. In fact, PDF exporters are a hassle, because they export the whole page, I only need musical examples. Am 12.09.17 um 20:49 schrieb Lee Actor: > If Finale itself is the source of the bug which doesn't output placed > graphics correctly, you're right -- a different pdf engine wouldn't make any > difference. However, the Finale pdf exporter has been seriously broken for > a long time, tending to strew random characters across pages which have lots > of tuplets (among other problems). Makemusic verified this bug years ago, > but apparently still hasn't gotten it fixed (the pdf exporter is 3rd party > software, so they can't fix directly). Additionally, the Finale built-in > pdf export is very slow and produces humungous file sizes, up to 10x other > print-to-pdf solutions; I recommend avoiding it if at all possible. I've > evaluated many of the print-to-pdf apps, and IMHO the best is Bullzip, which > is fast, full-featured, produces very small file sizes, and is solid as a > rock. Plus it's free for individual use: > http://bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php. > > -Lee > > ___ > Lee Actor > Composer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto Philharmonic > http://www.leeactor.com > > > > -Original Message- > From:finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of > Johannes Gebauer > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 10:59 AM > To:finale@shsu.edu > Subject: Re: [Finale] PDF export and placed graphics > > Am 12.09.17 um 18:22 schrieb Raymond Horton: >> Try cutePDF, a free download. Graphics work just fine for me with it. > In what way would that make any difference to me? > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] PDF export and placed graphics
Am 12.09.17 um 18:32 schrieb Dr. Ben @ Ayotte Music: > I've used PDF995 for years, though I like the export shortcut ALT+F,T,P. > The export doesn't automatically embed all text fonts. > Again, I fail to see how this would help with the problem, which in fact is not really a problem any more, since there is a workaround. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] PDF export and placed graphics
Am 12.09.17 um 18:22 schrieb Raymond Horton: > Try cutePDF, a free download. Graphics work just fine for me with it. In what way would that make any difference to me? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] PDF export and placed graphics
Some time ago I found that exporting a selection to PDF would not include placed graphics. Well, today I found that it does, only it places them somewhere else on the page, and there is a fix: Graphics need to be positions in relation to the page margin and not the page edge. I have a feeling that this is actually a very old bug which I probably encountered years ago with graphic export. However, it seems to only happen when exporting to PDF (and EPS) not to bitmap formats. Oh well, I hope the next time I have to do this I will remember. At least I can fix it in my thesis before it goes out to be printed for good. Vector graphics do print much better. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] off topic: German for "competition music"?
Sorry, this was meant to go to the list yesterday, I know jef already corrected himself, but just to clarify the gender problem: Am 05.09.17 um 20:22 schrieb SN jef chippewa: > more fun german gender noun facts -- > musikwettbewerb is masc. because wettbewerb is > masc.; doesn't matter that musik is fem. in this > case (musik becomes an adj.). I am not quite sure what you really mean here, however: der Wettbewerb (masc.) die Wettbewerbsmusik (fem.) This is a composit noun (no adjectives in this word!) So it _does_ matter that Musik is feminine, it makes the composit feminine, too. To answer the original question: I think what you are looking for is das Pflichtstück. Back to hibernation... Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] test, please ignore
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Re: [Finale] Export graphic as PDF
I guess that may work, I haven't tried it. I have to do many, many examples of this kind, all about 1-8 measures long, with a combined graphic on top, printing the page and editing out is simply not worth the effort. For the moment I'll stick with TIFF export. PDFs would be slightly higher quality (for the notes at least), I guess. Seems to be a bug. There are other bugs, too: Resizing images will not keep proportional, even when "fixed Percent" is ticked. Sometimes deleting an image and replacing it with another one will not stick. Johannes Am 21.02.17 um 19:45 schrieb Dennis Bathory-Kitsz: > On Tue, February 21, 2017 1:42 pm, Christopher Smith wrote: >> Maybe PRINTING the entire document to PDF, then editing the PDF afterward? I >> can do that with the included app Preview on Mac. Is there a PDF editor >> commonly available on Windows? > No. Software is available for a price, of course. :) > > (But Johannes is on Mac anyway.) > > Dennis > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Export graphic as PDF
No, still no graphic in the exported PDF. Perhaps a bug in Fin25? For now I can work with TIFF export. Just for the details: the graphic placed was a TIFF. I am on Mac Fin25 (newest). Johannes Am 21.02.17 um 15:45 schrieb Christopher Smith: > There is some kind of bug with graphic export I’ve noticed, too. > > Setting the Page View to Looseleaf Style: Current Page Only solves > most of the problems I’ve encountered. Maybe it will solve this one, > too. I’m on Mac if that makes any difference. > > Christopher > >> On Feb 21, 2017, at 9:34 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz >> <bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote: >> >> On Tue, February 21, 2017 9:28 am, Johannes Gebauer wrote: >>> Is it true that placed graphics do not get exported in PDF, when >>> exporting selection as graphic file? It seems to work in TIFFs, >>> but not in PDFs. >> Finale 2014.5, Windows 10. >> >> Place graphic (I placed a JPG). >> >> Marquee selection. >> >> Export -> Selection, PDF. >> >> Graphic DOES get exported with the selection. >> >> Dennis >> >> >> ___ Finale mailing >> list Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > ___ Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Export graphic as PDF
Is it true that placed graphics do not get exported in PDF, when exporting selection as graphic file? It seems to work in TIFFs, but not in PDFs. Thanks! Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Italian Instruments
Does anyone have a ready-made instrument file with Italian instrument names? Thanks, Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Finale 25 - What's removed?
Well, I had a look, but I can't really see how this would help me. Please enlighten me... Best, Johannes Am 18.08.16 um 14:51 schrieb Dr. Raphael D. Thöne: > Hi Johannes > > I would suggest that you visit finaletips.nu and download all > available Jari Plugins, as soon as they have been converted to > 64-bit. I am pretty sure that you find a comparable (and faster) tool > in one of the Change Plugins. > > Best Raphael. > >>> ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Finale 25 - What's removed?
Am 17.08.16 um 04:14 schrieb Craig Parmerlee: > * Mirror tool (i.e. ie no more mirrored measures) So what happens with files that use the Mirror Tool? I used to use the Mirror tool quite a bit, and found it very useful. the typical situation would be a baroque piece, where 1st and 2nd violins play in unison a lot of the time. Yes, one could just copy the part over, but using mirrors all the changes, corrections etc would automatically transfer to all the mirrored parts. I wished the tool had been improved rather than dropped. (Btw, I bought 2014.5 the day before yesterday. After the update appeared I asked MakeMusic for a free upgrade, and within hours it came. Thanks MM, for being cooperative and easy on this. Not every company does this.) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...
Am 15.07.16 um 09:51 schrieb Dr. Raphael D. Thöne: > The fhv.file is the Start Disk for the Mini vMac. > But it isn't loading. Where should it be? right now, the folder includes: Mini vMac System_7.5.3.hfv Mini vMac.exe vMac.ROM (it is called hfv, not fhv, is that the problem? I didn't rename anything.) >> > Am 15.07.2016 um 09:48 schrieb Johannes Gebauer >> > <li...@musikmanufaktur.com>: >> > >> > Am 14.07.16 um 19:02 schrieb Aaron Sherber: >>> >> Here's a copy: http://aaron.sherber.com/files/vMacFinale.zip >> > >> > Just out of interest, what would I have to do to get this running on a >> > Mac? (I have downloaded the Mini vMac and put it into the same folder, >> > but I get the disk symbol with the question mark. What is missing?) >> > >> > Johannes >> > ___ >> > Finale mailing list >> > Finale@shsu.edu >> > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > >> > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...
Am 14.07.16 um 19:02 schrieb Aaron Sherber: > Here's a copy: http://aaron.sherber.com/files/vMacFinale.zip Just out of interest, what would I have to do to get this running on a Mac? (I have downloaded the Mini vMac and put it into the same folder, but I get the disk symbol with the question mark. What is missing?) Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...
Am 12.07.16 um 22:05 schrieb Robert Patterson: > Personally, though, I would recommend setting up a virtual 10.7 or > thereabouts using Fusion or Parallels, and keeping Fin09 alive that way. It > sidesteps the entire upgrade issue. 2k9 seems to work with 10.11.5, are there any issues I should be aware of? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...
Am 12.07.16 um 20:04 schrieb Robert Patterson: > I'm sure there are other improvements, but I can't call them to mind at the > moment. Having said that, I think you should wait for the 64-bit version > before you upgrade, unless you absolutely have to run on an outdated Mac OS. > Does this mean the 64Bit version will be a paid for upgrade? Otherwise I cannot really see why I should wait. I am running the most recent version of MacOS on the newest MacBook pro, so speed shouldn't be a issue right now. Is the next version of Finale around the corner? In that case I may well wait. Although today I got really tired of the outdated user experience with Finale, and the really awful look of the non-retina compatible screen drawing. The smart shape improvements look really good. So do some others, although I would have to redo my default files, I guess, which I haven't got time for right now. How is compatibility with older files? Thanks for all the advice! Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Make staff systems as wide as the spacing requires
It's been quite a long time since I had to do something in Finale, but now I am in the need for some musical examples in a text document. For these I need to make each staff system only as wide as the spacing requires. I seem to remember there was a way to do this, was there a plugin? I am still on 2k9... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] to upgrade or not...
I am wondering whether I should upgrade my ancient version of Finale (2k9) to the current. Can someone outline in some brief words what I will gain apart from retina support (which may well be worth it just by itself...) Thanks, Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Score Order Question
Actually, looking at the best example piece, the Haydn Concertante, I find two different score orders: Henle puts all the obligato instruments in as orchestral parts, so the Bassoon is above the other bassoon. Landon puts them all above the strings, but their internal order is winds first, then strings. This last order seems to make most sense to me, even if this is not according to tessitura (nor is any standard orchestral score). Thanks for the input! Johannes Am 10.07.16 um 19:07 schrieb dr.a.s. weinstangel: > Yes, as below. According to tessitura. Makes sense, doesn't it? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> > On Jul 10, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Johannes Gebauer <li...@musikmanufaktur.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> > Thanks, that's also what I thought. Which order, though? Wind first, >> > then viola, or as below according to tessitura? >> > >> > Johannes >> > >>> >> Am 10.07.16 um 13:00 schrieb dr.a.s. weinstangel: >>> >> I would certainly prefer to see the solos in the middle, underneath the >>> >> winds and above the strings. >>> >> >>> >> Dr A.S. Weinstangel >>> >> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> >> >>>>> >>>> On Jul 10, 2016, at 6:43 AM, Johannes Gebauer >>>>> >>>> <li...@musikmanufaktur.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> long lurking, but now I need the collected wisdom of the list: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> 18th century Symphony (concertante), with Oboes, Horns and Strings, >>>>> >>>> plus >>>>> >>>> the following solo instruments: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Flauto obligato >>>>> >>>> Clarinetto obligato >>>>> >>>> Viola obligato >>>>> >>>> Fagotto obligato >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Where do these go? What is standard? >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Thanks for any insights... >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Johannes >>>>> >>>> ___ >>>>> >>>> Finale mailing list >>>>> >>>> Finale@shsu.edu >>>>> >>>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>>>> >>>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >>> >> ___ >>> >> Finale mailing list >>> >> Finale@shsu.edu >>> >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >> >>> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>> >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >> > >> > ___ >> > Finale mailing list >> > Finale@shsu.edu >> > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > >> > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Score Order Question
Thanks, that's also what I thought. Which order, though? Wind first, then viola, or as below according to tessitura? Johannes Am 10.07.16 um 13:00 schrieb dr.a.s. weinstangel: > I would certainly prefer to see the solos in the middle, underneath the winds > and above the strings. > > Dr A.S. Weinstangel > > Sent from my iPhone > >> > On Jul 10, 2016, at 6:43 AM, Johannes Gebauer <li...@musikmanufaktur.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > long lurking, but now I need the collected wisdom of the list: >> > >> > 18th century Symphony (concertante), with Oboes, Horns and Strings, plus >> > the following solo instruments: >> > >> > Flauto obligato >> > Clarinetto obligato >> > Viola obligato >> > Fagotto obligato >> > >> > Where do these go? What is standard? >> > >> > Thanks for any insights... >> > >> > Johannes >> > ___ >> > Finale mailing list >> > Finale@shsu.edu >> > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > >> > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Score Order Question
Hi, long lurking, but now I need the collected wisdom of the list: 18th century Symphony (concertante), with Oboes, Horns and Strings, plus the following solo instruments: Flauto obligato Clarinetto obligato Viola obligato Fagotto obligato Where do these go? What is standard? Thanks for any insights... Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Laserjet 5000 jams
Am 23.12.15 um 22:40 schrieb Harold Owen: > Johannes, > > I think it is due to static charge built-up when the inside humidity > is very low or when the printer has been running steadily for over a > half hour or so. > > Hal Owen > No. In my case the printer is in the basement, and if anything there is too much humidity. Whatever the case, I am 100% certain that humidity has nothing to do with it. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Laserjet 5000
Am 24.12.15 um 19:32 schrieb David Froom: > I can't go this route because my router has to be downstairs in a > garage (close to the cable coming into the house for reasons of > signal strength) and my printer has to be upstairs. I know I can make > this a wireless printer by plugging it into the router. So I've been > plugging it directly into the computer's ethernet port. > >>> In my case the Fritzbox it is connected to is actually set up as a repeater (as a secondary Firtzbox) - works really well. There are numerous ways of using a router as a bridge. I have a special little device which can be set up as a bridge (or as a router, repeater, whatever) to connect our central heating to the Wlan. These things cost next to nothing... Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Laserjet 5000 jams
Happens with any kind of paper. Certainly something with the printer. Am 23.12.15 um 15:25 schrieb Simon Troup: > I used to get symptoms like this occasionally when I switched to a much > lighter grade of paper. Have you changed your paper stock recently? > > > -- > > Simon Troup | BA Hons (Mus) > http://www.digitalmusicart.com > > Partners: Simon Troup & Jennie Troup > VAT Registration: 982 4230 17 > > *"If you can twang it, we can engrave it. Seriously, we can. No... really!"* > > *This email is a private communication between the sender and the intended > recipient. If you received this email in error be advised that all content, > information and files contained in the message remain copyright of the > author, artist or original copyright holder and may not be used without > permission.* > > On 23 December 2015 at 14:03, Johannes Gebauer<li...@musikmanufaktur.com> > wrote: > >> >Hi all, >> > >> >I wonder whether anyone can help me locate the problem which is causing >> >paper jams in my Laserjet 5000. >> > >> >Recently it started misbehaving, both feeding from the lower trays and >> >the manual feed tray. It seems that it feeds the paper all right but >> >then tries to feed another sheet immediately after. For a while it would >> >work by just feeding single sheets, but now it even reports a paper jam >> >when there is no second sheet on the tray. There isn't a jam, just >> >opening and closing it will reset it, but it happens pretty much every >> >time. >> > >> >The rollers and pads were all replaced about a year ago. >> > >> >Is there some sensor which doesn't see the paper anymore? This would >> >seem like the most likely problem to me. And can I fix this myself, or >> >is it time to get a new one? >> > >> >I love this printer for being able to print on A3. It's been serving me >> >well for a long time. >> > >> >Johannes >> >___ >> >Finale mailing list >> >Finale@shsu.edu >> >https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > >> >To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> >finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >> > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Laserjet 5000 jams
Hi all, I wonder whether anyone can help me locate the problem which is causing paper jams in my Laserjet 5000. Recently it started misbehaving, both feeding from the lower trays and the manual feed tray. It seems that it feeds the paper all right but then tries to feed another sheet immediately after. For a while it would work by just feeding single sheets, but now it even reports a paper jam when there is no second sheet on the tray. There isn't a jam, just opening and closing it will reset it, but it happens pretty much every time. The rollers and pads were all replaced about a year ago. Is there some sensor which doesn't see the paper anymore? This would seem like the most likely problem to me. And can I fix this myself, or is it time to get a new one? I love this printer for being able to print on A3. It's been serving me well for a long time. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Laserjet 5000 jams
Am 23.12.15 um 19:27 schrieb David Froom: > Hi Johannes, There are a pair of parts that are probably the issue > here: the pickup roller, which you may have replaced, and the > separation pad, which you probably didn't replace. I replaced all of those. They are certainly not the problem, as the printer does not feed several sheets at once, it just feeds another one before the first one has quite left the tray. It does this, I can see it doing this, it is not just happening, the printer feed actively feeds another sheet, as though it hasn't been able to feed one in the first place. I definitely replaced all the rollers and pads, had to take the printer apart for this. However, it worked well for several months afterwards. Apparently it is likely to be the registration assembly, which can be replaced, I just have to find a vendor who will sell one to me. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Laserjet 5000 jams
Am 23.12.15 um 19:27 schrieb David Froom: > Now a question for you (and anyone else): has anyone figured out how > to get the Laserjet 5000 to work as a network printer (printing > through the ethernet cable) with any of the Mac systems beyond > 10.8.5? It was tricky enough to get 10.8 to work (involved doing some > things with the terminal), but I've heard from others on the list > that this is no longer possible using later systems, 10.9, 10.10, or > 10.11 (Yosemite or El Capitan). I'd love to upgrade for other > reasons, but don't want to have an wonderful-but-orphaned printer. > How strange, I have absolutely no problems printing from 10.10 and 10.11. In fact, I am writing this from a brand new MacBook pro Retina with the very latest system, and the printer works without a flaw - well, apart from the paper feed problems. It is connected on a Fritz.Box ethernet port. Thinking about it I may have updated the Ethernet card at some point. In my case I can see the printer configuration page on Bonjour (I can access the printer through the Bonjour folder in Safari, which is in the bookmarks menu). There are different network cards around, mine is a J4169A. The firmware version is L.25.57, and I may well have done a firmware update at some point, but I have no idea when or how. The network cards go pretty cheap on Ebay I believe. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Test
Test (apparently my mail address bounced, no idea why, if anyone can give me a hint, please do...) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Fin09 Stem Connections
Thanks, this explains it. I found a way to work around it. Johannes Am 02.04.15 um 15:18 schrieb Robert Patterson: Apparently this is a bug that was fixed in a version after Fin09. I don't have a working copy of Fin09, but I have the same problem in Fin08. However, it works in Fin14. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Fin09 Stem Connections
Hi, I don't seem to be able to get custom stem connections to work. The settings just seem to make no difference whatsoever. I have set the setting on in the stems dialog, and tried to edit the settings individually. Any ideas? Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Fin09 Stem Connections
One more detail: It seems to work when I make Maestro my notehead font, but not with my custom font, while the special noteheads are from Maestro. Is this a known bug (in Fin09 Mac)? Am 02.04.15 um 11:17 schrieb Johannes Gebauer: Hi, I don't seem to be able to get custom stem connections to work. The settings just seem to make no difference whatsoever. I have set the setting on in the stems dialog, and tried to edit the settings individually. Any ideas? Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Fin09 Stem Connections
Yes it does, just checked. Am 02.04.15 um 14:54 schrieb Robert Patterson: Does your custom font have font annotations for the characters? I don't know if that's the issue, but it could be. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Portamento sign
Hi, after a very long time of silent reading, here a problem I have to solve: I need Bériot style portamento symbols. The example is here: http://www.johannesgebauer.de/Johannes_Gebauer_-_Musiker/Portamento.html It needs to be stretchable, and the angle needs to be adjustable. I also need one which is curved the other way ie to the top. I just spent hours in the shape designer, but I cannot get this to work. Does anyone have a tip for me? Thanks, Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Crowd Funding for a CD recording
Dear All, some will remember me from this list, I used to be quite active, but these days I am not doing much Finale related work, so I have become more a silent member. But I am still here, reading the occasional post. I don't usually use this list to advertise myself, but in this special case I want to make an exception and draw your attention to a Crowd Funding Campaign we are running to record the string quartets of Carl Gottlieb Reissiger (1798-1859) Reissiger was Kapellmeister in Dresden, where he succeeded Carl Maria von Weber in 1826. He is hardly known today, partly because his stage works not the greatest, due to rather poor libretti, and partly probably because Wagner made some rather biased comments about him. Reissiger himself was actually one of Wagner's supporters, it was mostly Reissiger's influence which let to Rienzi and the Flying Dutchman being premiered in Dresden (Rienzi under Reissigers direction and very successful, the Dutchman under Wagner, and originally not a success). Reissiger later supported supported Wagner and performed his music even after Wagner's flight from Dresden. Reissiger wrote 8 (or possibly 9) string quartets, and we are hoping to record all of them in the next years. This time we are planning to record the first two, op. 111 No 1 and 2. We think the music is phantastic! Have a look at the Crowd Funding Site at: http://www.visionbakery.com/reissiger-quartette?ln=en There is an English text further down. Unfortunately our film is only in German - apologies. If you think you can spare a few bugs, we welcome every kind of donation, and perhaps you will find one of our gifts attractive, too. You can use PayPal to donate. Apologies if you object to this kind of self-advertisement. Best wishes from Berlin, Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] OT: current German spelling
Am 21.09.12 11:56, schrieb Eric Fiedler: And only Mäßig/mäßig is correct today. That some publishers still manage to get it wrong is typical of the situation today. The matter really is not that simple: In Swiss German there is not ß (Eszett) at all. Now you might think that this is not relevant to the rest of the German-speaking community, but it is. How would you spell mäßig in a novel by a Swiss Author (of which there are quite a number of important ones, think of Dürrenmatt or Max Frisch), or vice versa? The Swiss also have no capitalized Umlauts, so words like Öl are spelled Oel in Swiss German. I would say that in any publication which is universally used, and that includes music publications, the use of ss instead of ß is acceptable, and not considered wrong. Were you publishing an official German text, ie that of a law, you would be expected to use the traditional but reformed spelling. My guess is that we will see another reform in a not so distant future, and the use of ß will be made optional. Even today there is quite a lot of confusion. A lot of people, myself included, are so used to write daß instead of dass that we find it hard to adopt the new rule. Eric is correct that there is also a lot of financial interest behind the reform: The publishers who publish schoolbooks have sold millions of new books of standard school books. Pretty much at the same time the local goverments introduced a part self financed school book system, were a large proportion of schoolbooks has to be bought be the parents. I grew up in a world where school books were bought by schools, and used many years by many students, before a new set was required. Just imagine what an immense boost this gave to the publishers. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: HP 5000 and Snow Leopard
Am 20.11.11 02:19, schrieb David Froom: I did a cold reset of the printer. That gave the JetDirect card an address of 192.0.0.192. I tried to add that via the IP printing tab, but that didn't work. It hung forever trying to Determine Installable Options, saying it was connecting to printer, but it never connected. You would have to change the computer's ip address so that it also starts with 192.0.0.x Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: HP 5000 and Snow Leopard
Am 18.11.11 19:14, schrieb David Froom: But I already asked the printer to tell me its IP address, and my JetDirect card keeps saying the address is 0.0.0.0 How is your printer connected, via a network router or directly to the Mac? If the latter, you may have to leave the printer on and connected for a while before it actually assigns itself an ethernet address. This is because there is no network router in between to give it one. Once it has an address (wait something like 5-10 minutes before you print the config page from the printer) you will have to change that with Telnet, unless you happen to have the Bonjour variety of the JetDirect card (I think you need a Jetdirect 620 card for this to work). You can use the Mac terminal to Telnet to the printer, just type telnet printer address (where printer address is the ethernet address on the config print out). After that it should be relatively simple, type help to find out what to do. You will have to give it an address on the same network as the computer, so only the number after the last dot should be different from your computer's address. Personally I would buy a network router (over here you get them for less than 20 Euros including WIFI) then you can print to the printer from any computer connected to the network. I was using ethernet printing in 10.5 -- and for years with all my previous systems. Well yes, but you used AppleTalk and that doesn't exist in 10.6. I know that the IP address SHOULD be something other than 0.0.0.0, but that's what it keeps saying now. It takes a while to give itself an address, as it expects the router to give it one. I used to use Telnet a million years ago, but have no idea how to reach the JetDirect card that way, and have no idea how I'd reset the card to force it to provide it's proper IP address. Some help in that regard would be GREATLY appreciated. Once the printer has a valid address Telneting is simple from the Terminal on a Mac. Or, if John Blane could recommend a specific USB cable for me, that would be great (though probably a bit slower than ethernet printing). That would work, but it would also take away the network capabilities of the printer. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: HP 5000 and Snow Leopard
Am 18.11.11 08:24, schrieb Eric Dannewitz: You don't need one that support bonjouryou just need an Ethernet card for the printer. It needs to be able to connect to Ethernet and obtain an ip address or be assigned an ip address that is in the range of your network. Although that is true, the problem is that you might have to set the ip address manually, which, if the card doesn't support Bonjour, means you will have to Telnet into it. That's a little tricky (although not impossible). And if the ip address is set to 0.0.0.0 it may be necessary to reset the card first. All I am saying is that one used to be able to use Apple Talk, but with recent MacOs this is non-functional. The easiest way to set up the printer is through Bonjour, if it supports it. It should then show up as a standard printer (mine certainly does), although it may take several minutes until it is recognized on the network. As soon as you can see it in the Bonjour submenu of Safari you can set it up easily. But older JetDirect Cards may not support this. On the other hand these cards are sold for very little on Ebay, I got mine a few years ago for 20 Euros or so. Whatever the case, the HP5000 works just fine with recent MacOS once it has been set up properly. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: HP 5000 and Snow Leopard
Hi David, How did your computer talk to your printer in 10.6? AppleTalk? That is no longer supported in 10.7. It is a while ago that I went through some of this, but I believe there are JetDirect Cards which support Bonjour, and JetDirect Cards which don't. They are cheap on ebay, so that might be an option. My HP5000 is definitely seen through Bonjour (I can see it in Safari) although it does take a while until it shows up. I can enter the web setup through Safari, and set addresses etc., but the computer doesn't need any of this, it can talk to it through Bonjour. Hope that helps, Johannes Here is the Jet Direct Data: HP JetDirect:J4169A Firmware Version:L.25.57 IP Address 192.168.178.26 Hardware Address:0001E659C375 LAA: 0001E659C375 Admin Password: Not Set ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: music collection database? Mac, or cross-platform
Since I started this discussion I have actually signed up and started to enter our library. I'd just like to report that this system is very powerful indeed, much more powerful than anything I could possibly do with Filemaker or the like. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: music collection database? Mac, or cross-platform
Sorry, I should have said I signed up with the online service at http://www.musiclibrarian.net/ Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: music collection database? Mac, or cross-platform
Has anyone used the online solution at http://www.musiclibrarian.net/ I have just tried their demo account, and it really seems a good way to do this. The owner will set up an account for me, and I'll try it with real data. And it is free, too. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: music collection database? Mac, or cross-platform
Hi, this is not exactly Finale content, but I know there are a number of librarians on this list: Does anyone have a good suggestion for cataloguing our orchestra's sheet music parts? Any ready made solutions, ideally cross-platform, but definitely Mac, and it shouldn't cost a lot ;-) Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: music collection database? Mac, or cross-platform
Am 24.10.11 19:10, schrieb Jonathan Smith: I'll send you a blank 'clone' copy of the file if you wish. It's in version 5.5 but works great for me! Will I need Filemaker to see it? In that case a simple screenshot of the fields would help me more. Wasn't there a way to make stand-alone versions of Filemaker Databases? Thanks, Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale 2k1 and XP?
Can someone confirm that Finale 2k1 works with WinXP? Thanks, Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. 18th century notation question
Am 01.09.11 17:25, schrieb Kim Patrick Clow: I have a question about an Ordonez symphony source. There is a squiggly line above two notes, almost like a tie, but it's not. Just means on one bow, modern notation would probably put a slur on top, possibly with dots. Nothing to do with vibrato or Bebung if you ask me. It's not a slur to make sure they are still separate. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] TAN: Mac Scanner Acrobat question
To the wisdom of the list: I have an Epson Stylus DX4250 All in one machine, which I use only as a scanner. It used to work just fine, but the combination of MacOS 10.6.x, Acrobat 9.x and the available scanner driver doesn't work any more (and hasn't for over a year): When scanning black and white in Acrobat, a preview scan works fine, but the real scan aborts after 2 seconds. The scanner driver seems to crash. My questions: Does anyone know of a fix? Or, alternatively, do other scanners still work with this combination in Acrobat, or is there a problem in Acrobat itself? Note that scanning through Apple Preview works fine, but simply doesn't cut it for me. I occasionally have to scan 100s of pages of music, and Acrobat is far better. Currently I do this through Acrobat 7, which works fine, but is not Intel optimized and painfully slow. Johannnes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Mac Scanner Acrobat question
Am 26.05.11 13:01, schrieb Florence + Michael: If it used to work with Acrobat and still works with Preview, then it seems likely that the problem is with Acrobat. Have you tried trashing all preferences and .plist files for Acrobat? You could also look for other versions of the driver, from either Epson or Adobe. Thank you Michael! I don't know why I didn't try trashing prefs myself, having been on Macs for like decades, this should be routine trouble shooting... I had tried for ages with all sorts of driver versions, and I was close to giving up on this scanner altogether, and now it works! Well, I know why I am on this list, even though I hardly do any Finale related work these days... Thanks again! Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations
Am 18.02.11 12:40, schrieb David H. Bailey: Trumpet and trombone players are seated fairly far back so that their instruments don't play directly into the stand. String players don't have any special lock on distance-to-stand excuses. :-) But trombonists and trumpeters don't share the stand with anyone. String players do. Believe me, that is a major difference. You simply cannot have the stand where you would like it. You always look onto the music from partly sideways, and that on its own is a problem. Plus, certainly the first violins in most music have a few more notes to play than the trombones. ;-) Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
{Spam} Re: [Finale] Microtonal Playback
Am 08.01.11 18:33, schrieb Dennis Bathory-Kitsz: Johannes at one point mentioned that it was possible. If he's listening, maybe he can remember. I probably haven't been following this enough, but if the question is whether I know how to get playback for microtones, no, I don't. To be honest, I only ever did one or two pieces of microtonal music, and I was glad I could get it on paper, I never bothered much about playback. Sorry to be of no help. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Never mind Bach
Personally I didn't find the Midi files useful when I had to enter some WTC 2 years ago. I ended up entering them myself. Didn't do the C major, though. Johannes Am 11.11.2010 um 05:32 schrieb Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com: Next time - remember standard midi files on the web. A whole ton of pieces out there, and a lot of them line up quite neatly. Even when they don't save a lot of time, it's interesting to see what others have done, and gives some variety to note entry. Raymond Horton On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com wrote: Had an extra coffee and entered it. Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: CD Replication
Am 24.06.10 19:33, schrieb Kim Patrick Clow: The odd thing is that classical music sells so well on iTunes! I heard a significant portion of iTunes sales is classical. Something like 15 percent (I may have that wrong though). I do wonder what they count as classical, though. Film music? Soft Classical? André Rieu? We are in a different section, and I rather doubt much sells through itunes. However, I myself have started using iTunes much more these days and just bought a whole opera through Itunes, which was much cheaper. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: CD Replication
Am 24.06.10 20:04, schrieb David W. Fenton: Can others chime in here? Dennis and Johannes have provided really good responses, but if CD Baby is not the one-stop-shopping that my group needs for this first recording, then what should we do? It is probably the best you will get. Having looked at the programme you are going to record I don't think there is a large audience which will buy the CD anyway. You will almost certainly sell more CDs after a good concert than through CDBaby in a whole year (of course minus the friends and relatives you specifically send to CDBaby, though you get more if you sell to them privately - even CD Baby wants to make some money...) The problem is that most people who buy CDs (in a shop or online) are looking either for a specific composer, or even a specific set of works by a composer, or for a (better known) ensemble. Not many customers are looking for compilations, unless they have a recommendation. I have seen several ensembles try this, and although it works well as a demo, it never sells. On the other hand, if a demo is what you have in mind, it will be fine. Just don't expect to get the money back directly. If I were you I wouldn't bother with an extravagant booklet. Just get the standard 4 page booklet, with a nice colour photo of yourselves, and a little blurb about your group. For a detailed description of the repertoire add a weblink. You can save a lot of money, and it won't make a difference to the sale. Then use at least 300 of the 500 CDs for promotion only, ie send them to concert promoters, radio stations, etc. Sell the rest to all your friends and relatives and you may even get the cost back in. You can put it on CDBaby, but this won't require more than 50 CDs for the next few years. Just my opinion, of course, you may have a different perspective. One more piece of advice: Concert promoters listen to a lot of commercial CDs, some of them phantastic. A mediocre Demo CD will not help much, the Demo needs to be excellent, so don't save on the production. Do a fully edited one, not a run-through and take the best out of three. Fully edited means record in Takes and have someone edit it properly eventually. You can do that yourself, but you need some good advice and the right software. Make sure the producer knows a bit about this kind of music. Don't let your pop music expert do the recording. He may have very expensive equipment, but most of it is useless for classical. Johannes Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: CD Replication
Am 23.06.10 22:22, schrieb David W. Fenton: I just don't see the value of having one of these labels as your distributor. I haven't bought a physical CD in a record store for 5 years or more. I haven't bought a physical CD online in several years (though that's as much to do with poverty as anything else). The CD Baby model allows you access to all the major distribution channels for physical CDs if you choose to use it, so I'm just not seeing what advantage having your CD recorded/marketed by Naxos or any other commercial label gives you in terms of distribution. It may seem like that, but out of experience I can tell you that it isn't. Here is my story: I have my own CD label. Our first CDs were produced when we didn't have proper distribution, and I tried selling through CD Baby at first. Originally they only sold online through their own shop, but eventually they started distributing through Tower, and had digital distribution through iTunes and others. We sold around 10-15 CDs total with two CD titles, and made next to nothing with digital (it may even have been nothing). Ok, that's a few years ago, perhaps things have changed a little. We sold a lot more CDs after concerts than through CDBaby. We also had a similar thing in Europe, which sold one of our CDs and eventually had to close. A few years ago I managed to find a proper distributor. Since then our sales have multiplied. We first sold only those two CDs while working on a third (which was only a second volume, so no more popular than the other two). We made more money in a few months than in the years with CDBaby, although we get quite a bit less from each CD. We sold enough on those three to make the fourth CD possible, within a year or so. And in the last 18 months, with our fourth CD out (which admittedly hit a small nail, it was the Dussek String Quartets, never previously recorded) we are actually making money. Not much, but enough to keep going. The Dussek CD will need a second pressing probably early next year, that means we have probably sold around 800 through distribution (the rest is for after concert sales etc), of the 1000 we had made. Incidentally this is not only because of the added European market, we sell most of our CDs in the US. We are also in iTunes, but sell very few that way. My distributor told me there are a few Euros to be made, but nothing compared to the hardware. BTW, you can find our CDs here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/String-Quartets-Op-60-Dussek/dp/B001O5YND0/ http://www.amazon.co.uk/Divertimenti-String-Trio-2-Haydn/dp/B000M2DJTA/ http://www.amazon.co.uk/Divertimenti-String-Trio-1-Haydn/dp/B000CAKZJO/ http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sinfonie-Tre-Stamitz/dp/BAIT81/ Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: CD Replication
Am 24.06.10 10:39, schrieb Dennis Bathory-Kitsz: An interesting story. I wonder if it's generational. I started teaching for the first time last semester (undergraduates) and just one of my students even has a way to play CDs (other than to rip them on their laptops). It's all on their portable players or phones. Two weeks ago I went looking for a CD player for my mother (who still has a cassette player). I found none in the first two stores I visited, and finally a single little boombox at the third. All the stores had systems with iPod connectors, though. I am sure it is a generation thing, but I have come to accept that the music I make is mostly bought by people beyond the age of 50. I don't think that our audience is ageing, in ten years it will still be the same age group, hopefully, and perhaps by then those people will buy through itunes and not get CDs. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: CD Replication
Am 23.06.10 23:47, schrieb Howard Weiner: A lot of Early Music and Classical CD recordings in Germany are co-productions with the various public radio stations: WDR, SWR, BR, Deutschlandfunk, Deutschlandradio, etc. Yes, and that used to get a lot of money into the production, but most of the time it now doesn't. Most of these productions are so called live recordings, and the Broadcaster just does the recording, and perhaps pays very little on top. We do get some extra money from the GVL eventually, so no one complains, but that's about it. On the other hand GVL is about to be restructured, and I fear that extra money is going to be cents rather than Euros in the future. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: CD Replication
David, what kind of music are you planning to record? Or is it a secret? Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: CD Replication
Am 24.06.10 19:33, schrieb Kim Patrick Clow: How did you find a proper distributor? Could you go into what the requirements are for a distributor? Personal connections. I tried the obvious ones and they just laugh if you offer them one or two CDs. They want something like 30 titles upwards. How to they handle royalties? It sounds like going to that system really worked for you. If by royalties you mean what is paid by the radio stations, this is not handled by the distributor at all, we have a labelcode and get the money each year. And although one doesn't get rich, it is still several hundred each year. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: CD Replication
Am 23.06.2010 um 21:56 schrieb Kim Patrick Clow telem...@gmail.com: I think CPO and the German ensembles get a lot more state support in terms of grants and funding versus their counterparts in the U.K. or the United States. Really? Early Music Ensembles in Germany get no state support at all as far as I know. We certainly get none for Cappella. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS/PS/TIF/PIC to PDF questions
Am 20.02.10 00:35, schrieb Paul Hayden: 1. Why would the PS and EPS files be damaged? Bad font (Maestro)? I don't know, but it seems to work for some and not for others. I have used this method without problems in the past. 2. I know you can embed fonts in a PDF. Can you also do that in a TIF or PIC file, or are those just purely image formats (like GIF and JPG)? You cannot embed fonts in a TIF file. PICTs are a little more complicated, but I believe you cannot embed fonts either. TIFs are bitmap files, while PICTs are a mixture. Whatever the case, I would not use any of those formats if you want to make PDFs from Finale files. You lose the font and vector information and the PDFs are effectively bitmaps. 3. When you convert a PS file to a PDF file, are fonts imbedded in the PDF? Yes, normally they are, although with Adobe Distiller I believe you could force it not to embed. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT Selling PDFs
Am 05.02.10 14:12, schrieb Richard Huggins: I'd love to see the URL for your storefront there. http://stores.lulu.com/musikmanufaktur Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT Selling PDFs
www.lulu.com Of all the print on demand publishers I tried they are the only one who will sell pdfs directly. I have some music there, too, and actually sold some, too. Not much though, but one of the items I have seems to be selling a PDF copy from time to time. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Music scanning conversion quality?
Am 24.01.10 00:06, schrieb David W. Fenton: Also, using PDF-based scanning adds an extra step when you're scanning from hard copy, perhaps not a hard step, but still an extra step. I believe this is a misunderstanding of what PDFtoMusic will do: It cannot work with scanned images at all, instead it will take a PDF which was compiled using a PDF printer driver or similar. It will take the font symbols still present in such a PDF and try to reinterpret them as music. This is supposed to have much better conversion quality, but will not work with scanned images at all. I haven't tried it myself, so I cannot comment on how well it works. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
Am 10.01.10 22:55, schrieb mmathew1...@comcast.net: There is an article in the current issue of macilife wherein they seem to be discussing this topic on page 88 and ƒ. Does this help? So what does it say? I haven't got access to MacLife. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
Am 10.01.10 23:01, schrieb Darcy James Argue: What mail client are you using? Thunderbird, I never liked Apple Mail much, and at the time it didn't work well for me, as it kept wanting to go online even when I was on a Modem connection. On the other hand I am sure it has evolved since. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
Am 10.01.10 20:32, schrieb Eric Dannewitz: Well, what are you using that isn't a Monopoly? Apple? Microsoft? Monopoly of technology, yes. But Google is about to have a monopoly of information. Some of that information is actually personal. I know they haven't used it to our disadvantage - yet. Who knows who will eventually own Google and do things with this knowledge about us which we didn't anticipate? Incidentally this weeks title story in Der Spiegel, the most important German news magazin, is about Google and their wisdom about us. They basically know everything about me, and I personally prefer not to let them have my personal emails as well. Google, to me, seems a bit like 1984 come true, only it isn't the government (yet) who is watching us, it is a private company. Is that any better? Ok, I didn't want to start a long and biased discussion about Google here, so ignore my comments...;-) Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
Am 11.01.10 16:08, schrieb Eric Dannewitz: I think there were a number of suggestions on how to use both IMAP and POP, or use IMAP in a way similar to how you are using POP right now. And these things are possible using Thunderbird as well (which I use). Yes, thanks for all the tips, I am still thinking about the best approach. Perhaps I will test an IMAP approach for everything, the problem is that I don't quite understand the functionality of some of it. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
I this really has only very remotely to do with Finale. On the other hand it has to do with the Finale mailing list, so perhaps there will be some clever person here with some answers. I currently use several email accounts as POP accounts. All the mail gets downloaded to my computer, and deleted on the server. On my computer the mail is sorted. so that Finale list mail goes into the Finale list folder and so on. I have been living quite happily with this arrangement. Other than list mail I don't usually delete mail at all, and I keep all these emails in my email application. I estimate the amount of email on all my accounts, including the complete sent-mail folders (which I never empty, so I still have every single email I ever wrote) to be around 5 emails. Add to that the Finale list, which I erase sporadically. Usually I empty the folder after a few months, but I have been lazy lately, so it has filled up with almost 1 mails. I have a few other mailing lists I subscribe to, but none as active as Finale. Now something has changed: Santa gave me a nice little iPhone, and I am happily writing emails from it, too. And questions came up. Would IMAP serve me better? One of the reasons I started thinking about this is the Finale mail which I'd love to at least sort into a folder. The only way to do this on the iPhone is to use IMAP and do it on the server. I can work out how all of this functions, but surely it is not practical to keep thousands of emails on the server? Is there a way to have IMAP emails live on only on my computer after a certain period of time, say a few days for Finale, and perhaps a month for personal email, yet never lose anything completely? Perhaps I am missing something, but does IMAP allow me to use it like POP with only added convenience, or am I then required to keep everything on the server all the time? Perhaps someone with similar needs can give me some advice. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
Am 10.01.10 15:26, schrieb Dennis Bathory-Kitsz: When I'm ready to grab the mail that I want to keep, I move everything back to the IMAP inbox, mark it as unread, and run my POP mail program (where I have all my email since 1993). It downloads automatically deletes everything on the server's inbox. The other boxes are untouched, so I can keep mail stored there temporarily. Seems rather a lot of extra work: You have to first move everything back to the inbox and mark it unread? Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
Am 10.01.10 19:03, schrieb Eric Dannewitz: I'd say go imap. Get a gmail account. You can set up folders and what not. Computers (multiple) and iPhones can use the account via imap, and all your messages will be there. Plus gmail can also function as an exchange server service for the iPhone, and immediately beep the phone when you get mail. I don't think yahoo or other services have the exchange function, but they too offer imap which will work with the iPhone. I dunno, I haven't used pop mail ina decade? I've always used imap because I like to keep my mail all synced up between home and the studio, and since 2007 on the road. How many emails do you keep in your google account? I am certainly not going google, but IMAP is an option... Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
Am 10.01.10 19:29, schrieb Dennis Bathory-Kitsz: Does your musikmanufaktur.com web host not offer both IMAP and POP for the same account? If so, you can have the benefits of both -- IMAP as needed, POP for archiving locally. That's what I'm using and, like Eric, find using IMAP with my phone an easy task on the road. As far as I can see it cannot be used at the same time unless you unsort the mail before using the pop access. That sort of defeats the purpose, no? Yes, all my accounts can use both pop and IMAP access. I am currently doing mostly what you suggest, but I can't really use the benefits of IMAP when I then load everything onto the computer via POP. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
Am 10.01.10 19:20, schrieb Eric Dannewitz: I don't know why you wouldn't consider Google mail. It works amazingly well. And it's free. And the exchange option is great. Apple also offers mobileme.com which is really great too, and it keeps your bookmarks and contact information synced between the iphone and computers. You don't need to attach the iPhone to iTune or anything. Though it costs $99 a year, I find it invaluable to have. So what is so special about Google mail? I don't like the idea of monopolies at all, and Google is doing everything to get monopolies, no? Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
Am 10.01.10 20:40, schrieb Dennis Bathory-Kitsz: Got it. I don't really like IMAP -- the only reason I use it at all is because my POP mail is accessed from and stored on my laptop (with external backup) and I don't use the laptop for 'real' work at home. When I use the laptop at home (such as for POP download), I VNC to it. Otherwise it's never touched except for travel. So when you are using email at home you don't have direct access to your mail database? Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Completely OT: IMAP vs POP
Am 10.01.10 20:29, schrieb Eric Dannewitz: I don't see why you could not just set everything to IMAP, and create local folders on your computer and drag and drop the messages you want to savethen you wouldn't have to worry about this whole POP/IMAP thing Drag and drop? That seems like an enormous step backwards after automatic sorting. You know, other than automatic sorting, I am so lazy about moving messages by hand that I have close to 1 messages in my inbox. I guess setting pop mail to leave things on the server for a specified amount of time will serve some purpose, however, it doesn't solve the problem of folder sorting. It seems rather inconvenient to have all those Finale messages along with some other mail in the same inbox. I guess I could make an account just for Finale... Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Is Bratschen Obsolete?
On 16.12.2009 Ryan wrote: Is the term Bratschen for violas obsolete in German? Would it be better to use Violen? It is definitely not obsolete, although if you are using this term in scores it sounds particularly German. It is more customary to use Italian terms for Instruments, at least in the music I deal with, ie pre 1900. But I see Bratschen a lot in later scores. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Music Notation: Fast bow
On 19.11.2009 Andrew Stiller wrote: On the rare occasions where I've seen this specified (in Mahler, for example), the German expression has been viel Bogen. Were I to want this effect, I would use the English equivalent much bow. For me as a violinist Fast Bow and Viel Bogen is not exactly the same. Although the effect would problably be similar it is a different feel of what one should be doing. Perhaps that's just me... Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Music Notation: Fast bow
I don't think so. My teacher used to write Fast Bow or Slow Bow where it mattered. It's much worse in German, schneller Bogen or langsamer Bogen seems to take far too much space, so I still use the English terms... Johannes On 19.11.2009 Jari Williamsson wrote: Hello! I'm looking for any kind of standard notation symbol for playing string instruments with a fast bow speed. Does anyone know if any such symbol exists? Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Help with navigating on my Macbook pro
On 18.11.2009 Darcy James Argue wrote: Does it have the embedded numeric keypad? fn-J for 1, fn-K for 2, etc? The new models don't have that. I don't know exactly when the switch happened but it happened fairly recently. My MacBook (white, Geforce, Firewire) bought earlier this year, does not have an embedded numeric keypad, yet it does have the function key (fn) in the lower left. Do newer ones really not have that any more? How do you access the double-function F-keys otherwise? Seems strange that Apple would eliminate this function. I do understand why they dropped the embedded numeric keypad, although I still don't like that change. However, on my iBook I got very confused several times when I had switched on numlock by accident and couldn't work out why the keyboard didn't work properly. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Help with navigating on my Macbook pro
Isn't there a tool to emulate the key pad behaviour on newer macbooks? That would solve all these problems easily. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OS X 10.6.2 update and screwed fonts
On 10.11.2009 Eric Dannewitz wrote: Has anyone had the problem Finale Documents opening with the fonts all messed up after updating to 10.6.2? I have a LOT of files that seem to be doing this for no reason as to why, but moving them to Petrucci they work fine, but Maestro seems totally messed up. I had this problem after going to 10.6 in the first place. With Finale I just removed some duplicates, while with Sibelius I had to use cocktail to reset all the font caches, after removing all instances of Sibelius fonts. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
Mark, I can see what you want, and both is no better in Sibelius. In fact I am personally not bothered by your first type, but the second type has caused me headaches, too. On the other hand Finale's engraver slurs have been the cause for many problems in the past. Only yesterday I had to redo a PDF of a part as one slur went crazy in it. I hadn't noticed before and it wasn't showing on screen in any resolution, only in the PDF. Furthermore I always had problems with slurs colliding with ties and having to hand move dynamics and such. In Sibelius this is all automatic. I admit I haven't tested this in any depth, so I can't say anything about the bugs, but it looks as though it simply works, and works well. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 6.1
On 01.11.2009 David W. Fenton wrote: Sibelius releases every 2-3 years, Finale every year. That is pretty clearly a slower release cycle, and that if each company waited until their next release to adapt to this Win7 feature, Finale would manage it next year, and Sibelius not for another 2 years or so. I specifically said that while the main release cycle is slower they usually have several maintenance releases. 6.1 is a maintenance. They are _quicker_ with maintenances than Finale ever tried to be. They are quicker if you take all releases, and this was a small number, and cost nothing. So what are you saying? Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
On 01.11.2009 Mark D Lew wrote: I'm intrigued by Johannes recent hint that slurs have improved in Sibelius 6.1. Have they solved the problem of long slurs, or are they merely catching up to Finale in this regard? Yes, Sibelius is catching up in terms of shapes. However, magnetic slurs do what Engraver slurs promised to do but never really delievered: They avoid collisions while still looking good. But they are still made up of Bezier curves, much the same way as Finales slurs. The problem with Finale's engraver slurs is that a) they are very unreliable, sometimes they do things unexpectedly, often only in the final printout, and this has caused me hours of work in the past b) they only avoid collisions with certain articulations and the notes themselves (and even that doesn't always work). Sibelius's magnetic slurs simply avoid collisions. Full stop. With everything. Can you show me an example (scanned if you like) of a slur which cannot be done in Finale? I would like to try my luck. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
