Re: [Flightgear-devel] Atmospheric Light Scattering
Le jeudi 25 avril 2013 06:24:41 Renk Thorsten a écrit : Hello, Renk I hope you have the fairness to ask FredB to remove Rembrandt then as well, because we need to ship the default rendering scheme such that users without good graphics cards (the integrated intels for instance) can use FG at all, and neither Rembrandt not ALS are compatible with default. So, your long answer to explain you don't like Rembrandt and you prefer to work on your own system, as just been underlined there by you. Your conclusion is REMOVE REMBRANDT and keep up my own development This clarify to everybody your approach. You want a flightgear without Rembrandt. You claim we have to modify models to get it working with rembrandt, the same kind of work ( more difficult) had to be done when the shaders came up. And what about the FDM improvements? where the updates introduce more time and more difficulty ( talking about JSBSIM, since YASIM seems to be frozen ). Your claim is not receivable, since models must get the best improvements due to the last flightgear version. You claim Rembrandt wants high level Hardware my 9600 GT 512 mb can process it. With An average of 20 fps ( disabling rembrandt and without ALS i never get more than 30 fps). Your ALS systems wants (when it is not crashing my system) a higher level capacity Hardware ( mostly GPU ) to work correctly, with every features. Only the first ALS version tried out 2 years ago was good to me ( and some others later on, but not today) You told us you had the most perfect equipment , you can't evaluate what is good or wrong with low level equipments. I mean, what is this really about? You're seriously bothered by a framework you especially have to activate, which doesn't break any of the features you like to the degree that you blatantly ignore the significant group of users who uses ALS and claim to represent 'the community' and invent 'broken things' for which you can't give a single example'? And you expect me to... do what? Code what you like instead of what I like? I don't mean i don't like ALS, i mean i don't like your approach , instead of working on consistency with the existing valuable features which were implemented within FlighGear, ( and by including Rembrandt), you ARE WORKING on a other FlightGear. You are working on a flightgear VARIANT, your work is not OPTIONS to flightgear. Others , better than me, tried before me to tell you, you (are) were on the wrong way. Unfortunately we are missing the Emilian's know how, he gave up because of that approach ( because of you). Hello Arnt, Yes English is not my native language, and wrong to me, mostly when i had not talked for a long time ( better with Arabic and partly French ). Ahmad, (Henri) -- Try New Relic Now We'll Send You this Cool Shirt New Relic is the only SaaS-based application performance monitoring service that delivers powerful full stack analytics. Optimize and monitor your browser, app, servers with just a few lines of code. Try New Relic and get this awesome Nerd Life shirt! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic_d2d_apr ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Atmospheric Light Scattering
Hi, Stefen On Thursday 25 April 2013 14:45:05 henri orange wrote: So, your long answer to explain you don't like Rembrandt and you prefer to work on your own system, as just been underlined there by you. Your conclusion is REMOVE REMBRANDT and keep up my own development This clarify to everybody your approach. You want a flightgear without Rembrandt. Thorsten did not even remotly say anything like that. Your accusation is completely uncalled for. If this is what you read in his last email, please try to find someone who reads Thorsten's English the way he meant it and have him explain to you. It would be a shame if a solution would fail due to a language barrier. Here is quoted Renk sentence himself: I hope you have the fairness to ask FredB to remove Rembrandt then as well, because we need to ship the default rendering scheme such that users without good graphics cards... You claim Rembrandt wants high level Hardware my 9600 GT 512 mb can process it. With An average of 20 fps ( disabling rembrandt and without ALS i never get more than 30 fps). On a Radeon HD 5670 I get 3 (in words: three) FPS with Rembrandt using the free radeon drivers with lots of graphics problems and very ugly shadows. On the other hand I get solid 15-20 FPS using ALS and pretty maxed out quality. Does'nt ATI known to be the wrong choice to play FG ? Your ALS systems wants (when it is not crashing my system) a higher level capacity Hardware ( mostly GPU ) to work correctly, with every features. Maybe. On some systems it ALS might be a problem, on others it's Rembrandt. You told us you had the most perfect equipment , you can't evaluate what is good or wrong with low level equipments. And you have only your own system for comparison. Just like I only got mine. And yours and mine certainly don't match. So while maybe Thorsten cannot give general adivse on FG's performance on low level equipment, neither can you and neither can I. Said before you are in difficulty because of ATI. At least i evaluate with an NVIDIA equipment. If i can do with a medium/low system, it can be done with a better (NVIDIA based) equipment. Don't try to trap me in an inconsistency logical mind :) These differences of performances versus one Factory system to an other ( NVIDIA, ATI, INTEL ) is due to OpenGL more or less correctly implemented within these GPU. Nothing else. And, but, change of policy within FlighGear, OpenGL remains. I don't mean i don't like ALS, i mean i don't like your approach , instead of working on consistency with the existing valuable features which were implemented within FlighGear, ( and by including Rembrandt), you ARE WORKING on a other FlightGear. You are working on a flightgear VARIANT, your work is not OPTIONS to flightgear. I can start FG, go to the rendering _options_ and turn ALS on and off, at runtime, as often as I like. How is this not an option? I know my english is wrong, however, i know the difference between VARIANT and OPTION. Right know there is options with shaders , clouds weathers etc. Variants with Rembrandt and ALS. Others , better than me, tried before me to tell you, you (are) were on the wrong way. And Thorsten time and again explained on solid technical grounds why he implemented it the way he did, why he had to and what the consequences of other approaches would have been. I have to date not seen anyone even acknowledge these reasons, much less provide real arguments against them. Why Thorsten has not given up on this yet is just beyond me. This is not a discussion, it's just handwaving and accusations. I'm just very glad, that he didn't give up. So instead, I can enjoy as much of the great flying experience as I can get during the long winter months. And just to be clear: I'd love to have all the goodies combined. Very nice shadows provided by the Rembrandt defered renderer combined with stunning ALS visuals and correctness and the performance of the default renderer with all effects turned off. But that's simply not possible, so instead I enjoy what _is_ possible. Regards, Stefan -- -- Try New Relic Now We'll Send You this Cool Shirt New Relic is the only SaaS-based application performance monitoring service that delivers powerful full stack analytics. Optimize and monitor your browser, app, servers with just a few lines of code. Try New Relic and get this awesome Nerd Life shirt! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic_d2d_apr ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Atmospheric Light Scattering
On Thursday 25 April 2013 15:41:54 henri orange wrote: Here is quoted Renk sentence himself: I hope you have the fairness to ask FredB to remove Rembrandt then as well, because we need to ship the default rendering scheme such that users without good graphics cards... I know, you cited it the first time as well. But it simply does not mean what you obviously think it means. That's why I kindly asked you, to have someone explain it to you in your native language. Thorsten only said, that _if_ you ask him to remove ALS because of concern for users without good graphics cards, you should aks FredB as well to remove Rembrandt, because the same argument would apply. Not doing it just shows that different standards are applied which is simply unfair. First , it is not because i am unable to write English correctly, i can't understand it written. Suggesting to ask for removing Rembrandt gives enough to conclude. On the other side i did not asked to remove ALS only to develop in the good direction. Which is a huge difference. (though , just reading the last Stuart Buchanan Mail which can close the debate ) Does'nt ATI known to be the wrong choice to play FG ? No it doesn't. To cite http://wiki.flightgear.org/Supported_Video_Cards you should be fine with any Nvidia or AMD/ATI products having 512-1024MB of *dedicated* video memory. Which is the problem, giving a list of GPU supposed to be compliant, is the most difficult. First look at OpenGL compliance. Don't be confident in such list. The best would be to refer to the experience from others, when we can. I had first before using FG an ATI card, at that time i had a lot of difficulties to get a driver working with Linux. When i had to update my equipment 3 years ago i did not refer to any list but followed the suggestions ( from FG users) to choose an NVIDIA GPU. I can notice the permanent work in progress with the OpenGL drivers there: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/ that was enough to secure the choice. When i get enough money my next equipment will be also with NVIDIA, for the same reason. Spare time and money. Said before you are in difficulty because of ATI. Ok, so I'm in difficulty because of ATI (which do not even exist anymore, it's been AMD for 7 years now) and therefore Rembrandt is ok. But if you have problems with ALS, it's not your NVIDIA hardware that's the problem, but ALS. Because clearly, your hardware is more important than mine and FG developers should develop for your system only. Right? I know my english is wrong, however, i know the difference between VARIANT and OPTION. Right know there is options with shaders , clouds weathers etc. Variants with Rembrandt and ALS. So please enlighten me and tell me what in your eyes is the difference between a variant and an option and why the distinction is important. As a user, I can simply decide at runtime if I want ALS or not by clicking a checkbox in an options panel. If you don't like the words option versus variants ( direction ) Let me give an example. If sitting at Zeralda, if i have some time for visiting my country one variant is visit Constantine, the other is to visit Bou Saada both are not the same direction. To travel i have several options: i can choose on the map: paths or roads or highway, i can choose at my home: mule (the best friend of my children) or motorcycle (a collector one ) or a Mercedes ( an old one ). So why is ALS a problem for a user who doesn't want to use it? Regards, Stefan BTW: after the points by Vivian, i am just reading the last Stuart Buchanan's Mail which can close the debat. Though it does not modify my feeling ALS development related. -- -- Try New Relic Now We'll Send You this Cool Shirt New Relic is the only SaaS-based application performance monitoring service that delivers powerful full stack analytics. Optimize and monitor your browser, app, servers with just a few lines of code. Try New Relic and get this awesome Nerd Life shirt! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic_d2d_apr ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Atmospheric Light Scattering
Le mercredi 24 avril 2013 06:58:41 Renk Thorsten a écrit : It occurred to me yesterday that there seems to be a major misunderstanding in the way Atmospheric Light Scattering (ALS) is perceived by different people. So in order to avoid future misunderstandings, let me try to clarify my side once again. Vivian: Do we need to go down this road? We are breaking more and more for minimal gains. Did we ever restore the wake effect on the Carrier with Atmospheric Light Scattering? Emilian (a while ago): I have nothing about the core of the Advanced weather engine, I have an issue of how you interact with it, and how it interacts with other parts of the whole system... and in my view this is broken. I also have nothing against the idea of the atmospheric scattering, I have an issue with how it's done, which is suboptimal in my view... and again of how you can interact with it/ how it affects other systems, and how it's affected by other systems. The common theme here is the perception that something is broken, which is naturally not my perception. For instance, the fact that ALS doesn't have a wake shader effect indicates its brokenness the same way as the fact that the default rendering doesn't have procedural texturing working - which is to say, not at all. Vivian might correct me, but I think I finally understand where that notion comes from. I think it comes from the view that ALS is in essence just another way to compute fog and light for what the default rendering scheme does, and from this perspective, any effect that doesn't work is indeed broken. The original plan was indeed to implement things as just different fog and light, there is still the parameter 'fog-type' in the effects which would support such an implementation, and there was a 6 months window during which Emilian and Vivian had the opportunity to implement it that way. As this didn't happen (for whatever reason) I decided to ask for some help and Fred kindly told me how to implement it as a different rendering framework (i.e. loading a whole different effect rather than a different fog shader only). So, from where I stand, that decision is done and it is now a different rendering framework, which means clean slate, all effects have to be written from scratch, with all the pros and cons to that (which we might debate endlessly). So since this window of opportunity to start from scratch happened, I took the opportunity to address a few things I saw as shortcomings in the default rendering framework we had. Just to give a few examples: * Environment interfacing: Emilian's view that the way ALS and Advanced Weather interact with the rest is broken is... bold. Just to give an example for how he addressed the interface, for instance the water shader needs to know the amount of reflected light at the water surface in order to compute reflection. Emilian's and Vivian's version of the water sine shader solves this by passing the cloud layer configuration settings of Basic Weather to the shader and then compute in the fragment shader from that the amount of light. This means that a) Advanced Weather has no chance (even conceptually) of ever passing the correct information to the shader since it doesn't use the Basic Weather config properties to create clouds and my understanding is that it is even impossible to write these properties without actually generating visible clouds interfering with what Advanced Weather does, and that b) a quantity which changes in Basic Weather once a few minutes (when a new METAR comes in) is computed about 60 million times each second. I may not be a rendering wizard, but this doesn't sound like the way to implement an environment interface to me. My supposedly broken interface references a single property 'light reaching the ground' for the same purpose. That property isn't native to the weather system, it can be set by hand with the browser without affecting anything else but the shader or be computed by any weather system currently running, i.e. shader control parameters are explicitly and always separated from native weather system parameters. This means the computation can be done if and only if needed, and the interface doesn't prefer one weather system over the other. * Consistency I've witnessed quite a few forum discussions with people complaining that they didn't think selecting higher quality shader settings would give them higher quality visuals (usually this was about the crop and forest overlay texture effects which some like and some don't - I have my opinion which is irrelevant here). Likewise, snow and fog were not always consistent across landclasses (I believe this is fixed now). Starting from scratch offered the opportunity to organize quality settings with a clear idea in mind, using a consistently selected set of effects. Now, consistent doesn't necessarily mean superior, it just says
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear v2.4 is Released!
Le jeudi 18 août 2011 08:58:46, thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi a écrit : SNIP Thanks for that as well! For the next release, I'd just have one suggestion: Feature freeze for aircraft 2 weeks after feature freeze for core, so that aircraft can be tested against what is to become the release candidate and still committed in time. Apart from that - just keep it this way. Cheers, * Thorsten Wasn'it the case ? since the wiki says: Detailed Time Schedule and Checklist Dec/Jun 17th: Development stream is declared frozen or yellow. And a NEW Aircraft which is right now within fgdata FG2.4 had been commit at Tuesday June 28 2011 https://www.gitorious.org/fg/fgdata/commit/b456113e124b82a81927aff67ef0e72aa53c2294 This more or less 2 weeks. Am i wrong ? Kind regards. Henri -- -- Get a FREE DOWNLOAD! and learn more about uberSVN rich system, user administration capabilities and model configuration. Take the hassle out of deploying and managing Subversion and the tools developers use with it. http://p.sf.net/sfu/wandisco-d2d-2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
Hi Heiko, My two cents: About: An aircraft flying in the alps reflecting very visible the ocean doesn't look realistic. Won't it be possible to select the reflection according to the terrain under, it is done with some particule animations (helicopter), it is possible to make it with the reflecting system. I know that Gerard did experiment it, unfortunately i havn't found the example. It just want to include a Nasal script, since the terrain under is not exposed within a property. 2011/3/28 Heiko Schulz aeitsch...@yahoo.de Hello, It is not a bad idea to make an example of course, wrong The result isn't very nice and realistic, unfortunately helijah uses this shader on every aircraft he is creating, even it isn't glossy in reality. To let it look realistic there are too important things: -cubemaps: they define the environment which is reflected. An aircraft flying in the alps reflecting very visible the ocean doesn't look realistic. -strength of reflection: not too much. Just a bit. - -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
Argh, which explain i did not find the example, i just remember the effect , but did not noticed it was not dynamic. Sorry for the noise. I though it was like the livery change, which can be done on the fly. 2011/3/28 Heiko Schulz aeitsch...@yahoo.de Hi, About: An aircraft flying in the alps reflecting very visible the ocean doesn't look realistic. Won't it be possible to select the reflection according to the terrain under, it is done with some particule animations (helicopter), it is possible to make it with the reflecting system. I know that Gerard did experiment it, unfortunately i havn't found the example. It just want to include a Nasal script, since the terrain under is not exposed within a property. I don't think it is possible, as the shader system doesn't allow dynamic switching between different cubemaps. And then, when ever the aircraft is flying above a small spot of water it would switch to ocean-cubemap- even in the alps. Better would be a realtime environment map. (like the reflections on the water in MSFS X or X-Plane) But this needs render-texture support and will probably have some impact on perfomance. Heiko -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
i was naive , when i asked it, on the forum, http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=47t=9972 giving an example coming from an old flightgear version. The effect was great, however the answers were not promising. what a pity we have lost it. 2011/3/28 Vivian Meazza vivian.mea...@lineone.net Hell, we can't even do shadows ... what chance a realistic reflection shader? Vivian -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Local weather ??????
That's was my conclusion a potential misunderstanding here. Your system is more a simulator dedicated to meteorologist engineer. To fly within Flightgear we have a lot of ready made aircraft model , we are not obliged to make the aircraft. With your local weather system we must build the weather., we don't have any ready weather, but to go to the Global weather with the real Metar. Why don't you offer some very good scenari. ? thanks. 2011/3/24 thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi however just try to modify the wind kt within the local weather tile gui, iget nasal error After some reflection and a similar problem discussed in the forum, I think I start to see a potential misunderstanding here. In an integrated weather system, there's no way to 'just modify the wind' because everything is tied with everything else. Take the case of a weather front: That's an airmass moving against another airmass with different properties, since air movement is the wind, the front is roughly perpendicular to the wind, i.e. you can see by looking at a cloud photograph how the large-scale air movement is even without observing movement of individual clouds. Thus, if you see a weather front and want to change the wind by 60 degrees, you're not asking for the windfield to be changed only, you are asking for the whole visible cloud configuration to be rotated by 60 degrees. You could think of using a rotation matrix, recompute all coordinates in local Cartesian approximation and be done. Unfortunately, weather feels terrain. So you might rotate clouds from a low region into a high region and vice versa, thus creating implausible layer altitudes above ground - which you don't want. Therefore you need to recompute the terrain elevation and correct the altitude of every cloud you rotate. Unfortunately you're still not done, because for convective clouds you may change the whole distribution pattern - you may rotate clouds from a city (where many convective clouds are expected) to open water (where only few can occur) - thus you have to recompute the whole interaction of the system of thermals and convective clouds with the terrain. So now we have to recompute essentially all cloud positions in potentially 120x120 km area just because we changed the wind. If you have dynamical weather on, in addition you need to rotate a lot of plane, wind and view co-moving coordinate systems, internal weather and windfield interpolation points and a lot of other important technical, though invisible stuff. Basically, you need to recompute almost everything. Which is why Local Weather Tiles is a launcher gui, not a runtime configurable thing. I guess it's the same reason that Flightgear doesn't allow to change the plane at runtime. If you want different weather, you need to end the running system and start a new one. The gui is actually supposed to tell you that, but that may not happen in every instance. I suspect that you have tried to use the gui as if it would allow runtime changes, have discovered a way that doesn't trigger the warning, and that then leads to errors. Cheers, * Thorsten -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Local weather ??????
Sorry what do you mean with (= tick the option box). ? however just try to modify the wind kt within the local weather tile gui, iget nasal error Cheers 2011/3/21 thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi when playing with the Local weather menu, i get the following message Nasal runtime error: setprop() value is not string or number at /../data/Nasal/weather_tile_management.nas, line 189 called from: /../data/Nasal/local_weather.nas, line 2964 called from: /../data/Nasal/local_weather.nas, line 3780 called from: /./data/Nasal/globals.nas, line 100 Is it a Bug ? , Is it just me. ? I'm unable to understand what caused the error just by the message - I need to know what the nature of your 'playing around' was and I need the log output of Local Weather itself (= tick the option box). I haven't pulled all the files back from GIT yet, but my local development copy of the Nasal files which is almost identical to the one I packaged don't show an obvious problem. * Thorsten -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Local weather ??????
Hi, Git version: when playing with the Local weather menu, i get the following message Nasal runtime error: setprop() value is not string or number at /../data/Nasal/weather_tile_management.nas, line 189 called from: /../data/Nasal/local_weather.nas, line 2964 called from: /../data/Nasal/local_weather.nas, line 3780 called from: /./data/Nasal/globals.nas, line 100 Is it a Bug ? , Is it just me. ? In addition i cannot get any realistic effect with the Global weather when using the predefined scenari Stormy Monday and or Thunderstorm. Was working weeks ago. Thanks -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Carrier Altitude
Hi, Jano, I guess i understand my issue, with your patch I am working with 3D models whose the XY axis are under the deck. The wake 3D object had been replaced by particles effect ( osg model ). The consequence is , the lon and lat coordinate given to geodinfo are under the deck. 2011/2/14 jean jean.pellot...@wanadoo.fr Le 13/02/2011 23:32, henri orange a écrit : Hi, Peter I have done from an old code by Gérard a process which answer to the request. It adjust the altitude of the Carrier, when cruising, according to the visual surface of the water. But mistake, it does answer to any condition, including the Tsumani effect when two tiles are not the same hight. The presentation of the project is there: http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4t=11043 http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4t=11043 It should, could, must, be improved. Hi, Jean I have tried to use your patch, i could not get it to work. Seems to get the same issue than with an old version by Gérard. geodinfo is giving the terrain_hight, which is the carrier Deck surface not the water surface. hi henri, my patch is only for the mp carriers when you command it, not for the ai carriers, and the position of the point from wich geodinfo is used works fine (here) with the Nimitz, Vinson, Eisenhower and clemenceau. but you need to have a non solid wake, and no deck below the reference point you consider to use geodinfo. jano -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Carrier Altitude
Hi jano, I just notice a big issue with a cruise toward and under the Golden Bridge. The terrain_hight is disturbed ( a sudden jump of the ship ), since geodinfo, when the Ship is under the Bridge, refer to the terrain_hight of the Bridge surface. Was it solved with your patch ? 2011/2/14 henri orange hohora...@gmail.com Hi, Jano, I guess i understand my issue, with your patch I am working with 3D models whose the XY axis are under the deck. The wake 3D object had been replaced by particles effect ( osg model ). The consequence is , the lon and lat coordinate given to geodinfo are under the deck. 2011/2/14 jean jean.pellot...@wanadoo.fr Le 13/02/2011 23:32, henri orange a écrit : Hi, Peter I have done from an old code by Gérard a process which answer to the request. It adjust the altitude of the Carrier, when cruising, according to the visual surface of the water. But mistake, it does answer to any condition, including the Tsumani effect when two tiles are not the same hight. The presentation of the project is there: http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4t=11043 http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4t=11043 It should, could, must, be improved. Hi, Jean I have tried to use your patch, i could not get it to work. Seems to get the same issue than with an old version by Gérard. geodinfo is giving the terrain_hight, which is the carrier Deck surface not the water surface. hi henri, my patch is only for the mp carriers when you command it, not for the ai carriers, and the position of the point from wich geodinfo is used works fine (here) with the Nimitz, Vinson, Eisenhower and clemenceau. but you need to have a non solid wake, and no deck below the reference point you consider to use geodinfo. jano -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Carrier Altitude
Hi, Peter I have done from an old code by Gérard a process which answer to the request. It adjust the altitude of the Carrier, when cruising, according to the visual surface of the water. But mistake, it does answer to any condition, including the Tsumani effect when two tiles are not the same hight. The presentation of the project is there: http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4t=11043 It should, could, must, be improved. Hi, Jean I have tried to use your patch, i could not get it to work. Seems to get the same issue than with an old version by Gérard. geodinfo is giving the terrain_hight, which is the carrier Deck surface not the water surface. 2011/1/25 Peter Brown smoothwater...@adelphia.net On Jan 25, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: Quick explanation: the world is curved (oblate spheroid) so if in order to have an ocean that measures zero MSL at all points, it would have to be curved. To do this perfectly requires a *lot* of polygons. We have been using large polygons for the ocean so that leads to some errors depending on where you are within the polygon. Near the verticies will be pretty accurate, near the middle could be off by a few meters. Regards, Curt. I don't know how big the tiles are, but I ran a ground vehicle due west from the Golden Gate Bridge to see what the variation was. It may just be that the first tile is out of whack? From terrain edge out to 21 miles it goes down and back up. From 21.2 miles out to 100 miles it's totally flat. Ocean surface as compared to 0 MSL : Golden Gate Bridge : 0 Terrain edge/Ocean start/End of channel : 0 Nimitz : -7m MSL 17 Miles out : -7m MSL 21.1 miles out : -3.7 MSL - At vertical wall, assuming Tile edge 21.2 miles out : 0 MSL - Up on new tile(?) 70 miles out : 0 MSL 100 miles out : 0 MSL Screenshots of locations with lat/lon: http://s512.photobucket.com/albums/t325/barefootr/Flightgear/Sea%20Level%20West%20from%20SFO/ Peter -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sinking feeling - c172 on gravel runway
Hi, Though, newbe, since i have to maintain some old jsbsim aircraft, my understanding ts becoming better. Here we do have a c172p which is using nasal only for animation, that scrip is, to me, right now, useless. The data compression, rotation and so on, are exposed in the, today, jsbsim FDM. The others features, landing gear related ( rolling friction and so on ) , can be easily processed, within the FDM, since, the required data are exposed, and RT updated, with functions. To do that, jsbsim want only the ground values, load-resistance, friction-factor, rolling-friction, and solid or not. These real time data are NOT EXPOSED within Flighgear,. i don't know, why, and, i don't know if this has being discussed before. ONLY, a little nasal script gives the right required, input. Thus, every jsbsim Aircraft model which want the right behavior on ground, need that nasal scrip. Yes the best would be to transfer the nasal 30 lines script to the jsbsim source, or better to the Flightgear source, since others generic flightgear features does want such data. I can notice the usage of that nasal script with some yasim aircraft also. 2011/2/11 Alasdair ali...@btinternet.com On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 15:34 +0100, Bertrand Coconnier wrote: Correct. JSBSim itself makes no distinction between ground materials (hence the reason why some aircrafts are able to land on water). This can however be managed with Nasal scripts. So I would say that this issue is likely located in one of the C172 Nasal scripts. Bertrand On an OT philisophical note.. Is , or rather, was the introduction of NASAL scripting a Good Thing or can it be considered as the hugest abomination to ever befall the FG World, rendering the use of GDB as a useless tool for tracing the behaviour of C/C++ code, sometimes modified or nullified by a run-time script? Just a thought. Are there any other source code purists out there. I hope so, cos I would hate to justify this untimely rant on my own. Somehow it reminds me of self modifiaction of computer code, thought clever by some specialists when Babbage was but a baby. -- Kind regards, Alasdair -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sinking feeling - c172 on gravel runway
Hello Dave, I did meant the Nasal script is useless, since we can do the same feature only with jsbsim . Functions complex or not can be done within it. It can answer to such external feature like animation. Because we don't forget the main target, with jsbsim, to build the most realistic simulation, using jsbsim to PLAY with animation could be understood, a waste :) In order to answer to Alasdair remark i did want only to point that other alternative, not to criticize the work, your work, done with Nasal. My apologize, i did not explained. 2011/2/11 dave perry skida...@mindspring.com The nasal script action-sim,and similar animation scripts produces aircraft-geometry-unique animation parameters used by xml files to produce the actual animations. If one wants to animate the gear so it responds to the fdm produced gear compressions, such nasal scripts are critical. The alternative is to have the tires penetrate the ground surface different depth dependent on the fdm supplied compression and the oleo links move up and down rigidly. Both are not at all realistic. This script is not at all useless. Dave P. (author of the script) On 02/11/2011 05:49 AM, henri orange wrote: Hi, Though, newbe, since i have to maintain some old jsbsim aircraft, my understanding ts becoming better. Here we do have a c172p which is using nasal only for animation, that scrip is, to me, right now, useless. The data compression, rotation and so on, are exposed in the, today, jsbsim FDM. The others features, landing gear related ( rolling friction and so on ) , can be easily processed, within the FDM, since, the required data are exposed, and RT updated, with functions. To do that, jsbsim want only the ground values, load-resistance, friction-factor, rolling-friction, and solid or not. These real time data are NOT EXPOSED within Flighgear,. i don't know, why, and, i don't know if this has being discussed before. ONLY, a little nasal script gives the right required, input. Thus, every jsbsim Aircraft model which want the right behavior on ground, need that nasal scrip. Yes the best would be to transfer the nasal 30 lines script to the jsbsim source, or better to the Flightgear source, since others generic flightgear features does want such data. I can notice the usage of that nasal script with some yasim aircraft also. 2011/2/11 Alasdair ali...@btinternet.com On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 15:34 +0100, Bertrand Coconnier wrote: Correct. JSBSim itself makes no distinction between ground materials (hence the reason why some aircrafts are able to land on water). This can however be managed with Nasal scripts. So I would say that this issue is likely located in one of the C172 Nasal scripts. Bertrand On an OT philisophical note.. Is , or rather, was the introduction of NASAL scripting a Good Thing or can it be considered as the hugest abomination to ever befall the FG World, rendering the use of GDB as a useless tool for tracing the behaviour of C/C++ code, sometimes modified or nullified by a run-time script? Just a thought. Are there any other source code purists out there. I hope so, cos I would hate to justify this untimely rant on my own. Somehow it reminds me of self modifiaction of computer code, thought clever by some specialists when Babbage was but a baby. -- Kind regards, Alasdair -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance.http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing listFlightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Incorrect conversion used for lbs to gallon of fuel
That was not my point. I was talking about the Nasal error. Nasal runtime error: vector index 7 out of bounds (size: 7) at /wrklvm/FlightGear/FlightGear_CVS/data/Aircraft/Boeing314/Nasal/Boeing314-fuel.nas, line 79 called from: /wrklvm/FlightGear/FlightGear_CVS/data/Aircraft/Boeing314/Nasal/Boeing314-fuel.nas, line 70 called from: /wrklvm/FlightGear/FlightGear_CVS/data/Aircraft/Boeing314/Nasal/Boeing314-fuel.nas, line 59 called from: /wrklvm/FlightGear/FlightGear_CVS/data/Aircraft/Boeing314/Nasal/Boeing314-fuel.nas, line 19 called from: /wrklvm/FlightGear/FlightGear_CVS/data/Aircraft/Boeing314/Nasal/Boeing314.nas, line 92 called from: /wrklvm/FlightGear/FlightGear_CVS/data/Aircraft/Boeing314/Nasal/Boeing314.nas, line 111 called from: /wrklvm/FlightGear/FlightGear_CVS/data/Aircraft/Boeing314/Nasal/Boeing314.nas, line 17 called from: /wrklvm/FlightGear/FlightGear_CVS/data/Aircraft/Boeing314/Nasal/Boeing314.nas, line 125 called from: /wrklvm/FlightGear/FlightGear_CVS/data/Nasal/globals.nas, line 100 2011/2/8 Csaba Halász csaba.hal...@gmail.com On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 10:05 PM, henri orange hohora...@gmail.com wrote: Will it solved the Boeing314 issue ? The Boeing314 in GIT doesn't even get that far, it is missing a file Nasal/Boeing314-limits.xml Commenting the reference out, the aircraft at least takes off. -- Csaba/Jester -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sinking feeling - c172 on gravel runway
By the way we can play with the gear Z position (gear/unit/z-position) and the well known terrain nasal script (geodinfo) which expose the terrain load-resistance. Though, that feature is only eye candy. More constructive, to use the specifics friction_factor, rolling_friction experimented with the grtux aircrafts. 2011/2/10 Bertrand Coconnier bcoco...@gmail.com Correct. JSBSim itself makes no distinction between ground materials (hence the reason why some aircrafts are able to land on water). This can however be managed with Nasal scripts. So I would say that this issue is likely located in one of the C172 Nasal scripts. Bertrand Le 10 févr. 2011 09:19, Ron Jensen w...@jentronics.com a écrit : On Thursday 10 February 2011 06:09:56 Geoff McLane wrote: On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 19:51 +, Marti... As far as I know, JSBSim still doesn't know about surfaces? Ron -- The ultimate all-in-... -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Nasal getprop: property /accelerations[0]/pilot[0]/z-accel-fps_sec[0] is NaN
Hi, Andreas Thanks a lot. However , with the Catalina last updated version: https://sites.google.com/site/grtuxhangar/home/download/PBY-Catalina.tar.bz2?attredirects=0d=1 On my system, the error vanished, i don't understand why. Anyhow your jsbsim fix should solve , or at least reduce the bad luck to get again such error. I 'll give it a try . 2011/2/10 Andreas Gaeb a.g...@web.de Hi Henri, I think I found the error, it was in JSBSim's FGForce class. I've proposed a fix on the JSBSim-devel mailing list. Best regards, Andreas -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Nasal getprop: property /accelerations[0]/pilot[0]/z-accel-fps_sec[0] is NaN
Hi, Not only with the relocation to a mooring position, though that feature is randomly making the issue. I cannot explain why, and cannot reproduce twice the same. I guess the reset sequence/speed is the cause of the issue, scenery ? model ? fdm ? constant values ?. The relocation to a mooring position feature is to me, right, with every predefined place ( see the Boeing314-route.xml file ). 2011/2/7 Csaba Halász csaba.hal...@gmail.com On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Csaba Halász csaba.hal...@gmail.com wrote: That is already the end of the problem chain. Somewhere NaN is creeping into the system and propagates to various parts. Finding what uses z-accel-fps_sec, while possible, will not help you in troubleshooting the root cause. It might have something to do with the relocation to a mooring position. I had some hint of NaN when that happened near KSFO, but had no problems at EHAM (which doesn't have a mooring position). -- Csaba/Jester -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Incorrect conversion used for lbs to gallon of fuel
Will it solved the Boeing314 issue ? 2011/2/8 Torsten Dreyer tors...@t3r.de And that is because of the hardcoded default of 8 fuel tanks. Attached patch makes sure at least the existing tanks are covered by the properties. Thanks for spotting this. I was naive enough to think no aircraft ever has more then eight tanks. Now TankProperties are created for every configured tank in /consumeables/fuel. This should keep the Concorde for a bit longer again. Torsten -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] JSBSIM Aircraft Crash at Reset
Hello, Solved my built issue: simgear and flightgear seems mismatch some links when built under the same devel directory (devel-prog-fgCVS/11-0205/flightgear and ,devel-prog-fgCVS/11-0205/simgear) since make flightgear is going on after the end; building again simgear . Well, The last FG git next version is right. Tested with a lot of JSBSim Aircraft (more and less complex) the reset feature is performing well. Thanks to Thorsten, Bertrand and others, who worked on it. 2011/2/6 ThorstenB bre...@gmail.com On 06.02.2011 15:07, Jon S. Berndt wrote: That works. Sort of. But it's trying to patch JSBSim.cxx which we no longer have in JSBSim standalone. Patch looks good and is pushed to FlightGear/next now (so our JSBSim.cxx is also updated now). Thanks Betrand! PS: I've made several reset tests, all look good now. Also, no side-effects with the previous patches were reported, so I'm also pushing the patches to FG/2.2 now (trying to remember the entire patch sequence... :) ). cheers, Thorsten -- The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these rules translate into the virtual world? http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these rules translate into the virtual world? http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Incorrect conversion used for lbs to gallon of fuel
Hello, Beware that version, break the tanks system of Boeing 314 Here the Nasal error Nasal runtime error: vector index 7 out of bounds (size: 7) at /wrklvm/FlightGear/FlightGear_CVS/data/Aircraft/Boeing314/Nasal/Boeing314-fuel.nas, line 79 called from: /wrklvm/FlightGear/FlightGear_CVS/data/Aircraft/Boeing314/Nasal/Boeing314-fuel.nas, line 70 called from: /wrklvm/FlightGear/FlightGear_CVS/data/Aircraft/Boeing314/Nasal/Boeing314-fuel.nas, line 59 called from: /wrklvm/FlightGear/FlightGear_CVS/data/Aircraft/Boeing314/Nasal/Boeing314-fuel.nas, line 19 called from: /wrklvm/FlightGear/FlightGear_CVS/data/Aircraft/Boeing314/Nasal/Boeing314.nas, line 92 called from: /wrklvm/FlightGear/FlightGear_CVS/data/Aircraft/Boeing314/Nasal/Boeing314.nas, line 111 called from: /wrklvm/FlightGear/FlightGear_CVS/data/Aircraft/Boeing314/Nasal/Boeing314.nas, line 17 called from: /wrklvm/FlightGear/FlightGear_CVS/data/Aircraft/Boeing314/Nasal/Boeing314.nas, line 125 called from: /wrklvm/FlightGear/FlightGear_CVS/data/Nasal/globals.nas, line 100 My previous version didn't Revision: 133cfbfa7f4ec62ddc97bd93d4a50fec81b52362 2011/2/6 Hal V. Engel hven...@gmail.com On Sunday, February 06, 2011 01:13:28 PM Torsten Dreyer wrote: I have checked your code and it breaks the previous behaviour for JSBSim. Your code is overwriting JSBSim values during initialization, I would rather do it the other way around and make JSBSim overwrite FlightGear default values. Especially because the capacity of all the tanks is now set to zero instead of using the FDM model definition. Enclosed is a patch that restores the normal behaviour : fuel capacity, level and density are set after the values defined in the aircraft JSBSim XML definition. Ouch - that was my bad. I only initialized JSBSim properties from FlightGear properties which didn't work if tanks are only defined within the JSBSim config file. Your patch turns this the other way round. I tried to combine both versions and set JSBSim properties from FlightGear properties if they exist and create the FlightGear properties from JSBSim properties if not. Looks good for me with the p51d-jsbsim, the c172p and the SenecaII. Thanks for the fast bug-report and the solution! Torsten Did you test the P-51D drop tanks to make sure these work OK? The unusual thing it does is to prevent the drop tank contents from being non-zero unless the tank is currently in place. This is to prevent the pilot from using the Equipment -- Fuel and Payload menu to put fuel into a non-existant drop tank. This should be tested just to make sure it is still working. Hal -- The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these rules translate into the virtual world? http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these rules translate into the virtual world? http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Nasal getprop: property /accelerations[0]/pilot[0]/z-accel-fps_sec[0] is NaN
Hello, devel-members, I am getting ( randomly ) the following messages Warning: invalid line segment passed to IntersectVisitor::addLineSegment(..) nan nan nan nan nan nan segment ignored.. Warning: invalid line segment passed to IntersectVisitor::addLineSegment(..) nan nan nan nan nan nan segment ignored.. Warning: invalid line segment passed to IntersectVisitor::addLineSegment(..) nan nan nan nan nan nan segment ignored.. PT_vs_hpt: ran out of layers for h=nan PT_vs_hpt: ran out of layers for h=nan Nasal getprop: property /accelerations[0]/pilot[0]/z-accel-fps_sec[0] is NaN Nasal getprop: property /accelerations[0]/pilot[0]/z-accel-fps_sec[0] is NaN Nasal getprop: property /accelerations[0]/pilot[0]/z-accel-fps_sec[0] is NaN I would like to know, which feature, within flightgear is using Nasal getprop: property /accelerations[0]/pilot[0]/z-accel-fps_sec[0]. I do not try to access that property, so i guess it is an internal (automated ?) process Your answer could help me to debug the model i am working on ( http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4t=10992 ) OR Is it only a known bug ? Thanks -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these rules translate into the virtual world? http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] JSBSIM Aircraft Crash at Reset
Hello, devel-members Again starting the topic ( was oriented to an other direction ) To resume what i was discovering: With at least two official jsbsim models 747-400 p51d I am getting a segmentation error at reset. I don't say these models are wrong, i say there is somewhere, in jsbsim during init, something wrong ( since i can notice the issue with many others jsbsim models ) My first reaction was is it just me ?. I gave you the Backtrace when i got it. The airport altitude seems to modify the system reaction. The more the Airport is at low altitude, the more i get the chance to win the crash. However sometime, everything is right. Thanks for an answer on that specific topic -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these rules translate into the virtual world? http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] JSBSIM Aircraft Crash at Reset
Hi, Erik Sorry for the question is there somewhere a specific fg2.2 source ? I am using the git version with git pull, though i don't understand the meaning of it, it does work and give me an update. I thought it was the fg devel version. with fgfs --version i get FlightGear version: 2.2.0 Revision: 133cfbfa7f4ec62ddc97bd93d4a50fec81b52362 Build-Id: none FG_ROOT=/wrklvm/FlightGear/FlightGear_CVS/data FG_HOME=/home/alva/.fgfs FG_SCENERY=/wrklvm/FlightGear/FlightGear_CVS/data/Scenery:/wrklvm/FlightGear/FlightGear_CVS/data/Scenery/Terrain:/wrklvm/FlightGear/FlightGear_CVS/data/Scenery/Objects: SimGear version: 2.2.0 PLIB version: 185 about aircraft models, i do use that link http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/?p=fgdata;a=tree;f=Aircraft click on snapshot 2011/2/5 Erik Hofman e...@ehofman.com On Sat, 2011-02-05 at 13:00 +0100, henri orange wrote: Hello, devel-members Again starting the topic ( was oriented to an other direction ) To resume what i was discovering: With at least two official jsbsim models 747-400 p51d I am getting a segmentation error at reset. It is important to know what version of FlightGear you are using, FlighGear-2.0. the git branch for FlightGear-2.2 or the developers branch for FlightGear. FlightGear-2.2 has not yet been updated with the new JSBSim reset code. Erik -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these rules translate into the virtual world? http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] JSBSIM Aircraft Crash at Reset
Hi, Thorsten, May be i can confirm your feeling. I was looking at the old Catalina official gpl version. It can start at the right mooring place on water, when there is one, close to the Airport we want to start from ( for instance KSFO, with Mooring place at Treasure Island, Pan Am base at San Francisco). To do so, there is a nice script ( from the Boeing314) which re_init FG sitting the Aircraft at the right defined place. It is a reset. That specific process is longer working with that old existing Catalina version (though outdated). However, there is a lot of jsbsim error red message due to the new jsbsim property control process I have just experimented a modified version, by removing these message error with some minor update. I get things working right, ONLY, i don't try to remove the error red message due to internal flightgear property. for instance if i keep on, these messages: FGPropertyManager::GetNode() No node found for /systems/electrical/outputs/instrument-lights In condition: /systems/electrical/outputs/instrument-lights gt 27. Unknown property /systems/electrical/outputs/instrument-lights referenced. Creating property. Check usage. FGPropertyManager::GetNode() No node found for /instrumentation/lights/blinker-kinemat-out In condition: /instrumentation/lights/blinker-kinemat-out == 0. Unknown property /instrumentation/lights/blinker-kinemat-out referenced. Creating property. Check usage. FGPropertyManager::GetNode() No node found for /systems/electrical/outputs/landing-light In condition: /systems/electrical/outputs/landing-light gt 27. Unknown property /systems/electrical/outputs/landing-light referenced. Creating property. Check usage. FGPropertyManager::GetNode() No node found for /sim/model/waterbombing In condition: /sim/model/waterbombing == 1. Unknown property /sim/model/waterbombing referenced. Creating property. Check usage. The reset to moorage place is working. If, i attend to remove these messages, the reset to moorage place, crash. 2011/2/5 ThorstenB bre...@gmail.com Hi, probably spotted the cause for the reported reset crash: it's the same as already reported before - targeted by this earlier patch: http://www.gitorious.org/fg/flightgear/commit/287cc74965e11ff3888117a9d9b88ed2bdbb9252 This patch unties all JSBSim properties prior to reset. However, it's not quite sufficient and misses some JSBSim properties. Problem is that JSBSim can also tie properties outside the /fdm/jsbsim branch - using property paths which can be configured in aircraft-specific configuration files. For example, the configuration of the 747 (in Systems/failures.xml) causes JSBSim to bind the following additional properties: /accelerations/pilot-gdamped /controls/fuel/fuel-to-remain /sim/model/pushback/target-speed-fps /autopilot/autobrake/left-brake-output /autopilot/autobrake/right-brake-output These properties aren't untied by the earlier patch - so still result in trouble. I'm currently testing a different patch for the same issue: instead of untieing all properties below the /fdm/jsbsim (only), I added a list to JSBSim's FGPropertyManagager, so it keeps track of all the properties it has actually bound. It can then use this list to untie all its properties - no mattere where these are located in the property tree. This patch seems to fix the issue for me. I'll do a few more tests and (hopefully :) ) propose this a new patch... cheers, Thorsten -- The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these rules translate into the virtual world? http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these rules translate into the virtual world? http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] JSBSIM Aircraft Crash at Reset
, I get an error at build screen-dump.cxx:(.text+0x276): undefined reference to `osg::Referenced::signalObserversAndDelete(bool, bool) const' /usr/local/lib/libsgmisc.a(PathOptions.o): In function `simgear::makeOptionsFromPath(SGPath const)': PathOptions.cxx:(.text+0x49): undefined reference to `osgDB::Options::Options(osgDB::Options const, osg::CopyOp const)' /usr/local/lib/libsgstructure.a(commands.o): In function `global constructors keyed to _ZN12SGCommandMgrC2Ev': commands.cxx:(.text+0x597): undefined reference to `OpenThreads::Mutex::Mutex(OpenThreads::Mutex::MutexType)' /usr/local/lib/libsgenvironment.a(precipitation.o): In function `SGPrecipitation::SGPrecipitation()': precipitation.cxx:(.text+0x686): undefined reference to `osg::Referenced::signalObserversAndDelete(bool, bool) const' /usr/local/lib/libsgenvironment.a(precipitation.o): In function `SGPrecipitation::build()': precipitation.cxx:(.text+0x82c): undefined reference to `osg::Referenced::signalObserversAndDelete(bool, bool) const' /usr/local/lib/libsgenvironment.a(precipitation.o): In function `SGPrecipitation::~SGPrecipitation()': precipitation.cxx:(.text._ZN15SGPrecipitationD2Ev[_ZN15SGPrecipitationD5Ev]+0x46): undefined reference to `osg::Referenced::signalObserversAndDelete(bool, bool) const' /usr/local/lib/libsgenvironment.a(precipitation.o): In function `SGPrecipitation::~SGPrecipitation()': precipitation.cxx:(.text._ZN15SGPrecipitationD0Ev[_ZN15SGPrecipitationD5Ev]+0x56): undefined reference to `osg::Referenced::signalObserversAndDelete(bool, bool) const' /usr/local/lib/libsgenvironment.a(precipitation.o): In function `osg::ref_ptrosgParticle::PrecipitationEffect::~ref_ptr()': precipitation.cxx:(.text._ZN3osg7ref_ptrIN11osgParticle19PrecipitationEffectEED2Ev[_ZN3osg7ref_ptrIN11osgParticle19PrecipitationEffectEED5Ev]+0x36): undefined reference to `osg::Referenced::signalObserversAndDelete(bool, bool) const' /usr/local/lib/libsgenvironment.a(precipitation.o):precipitation.cxx:(.text._ZN3osg7ref_ptrINS_8ClipNodeEED2Ev[_ZN3osg7ref_ptrINS_8ClipNodeEED5Ev]+0x36): more undefined references to `osg::Referenced::signalObserversAndDelete(bool, bool) const' follow collect2: ld a retourné 1 code d'état d'exécution make[2]: *** [fgfs] Erreur 1 make[2]: quittant le répertoire « /wrk3lv/00LIEN-DEVEL/devel-prog-fgCVS/11-0205/flightgear/src/Main » make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1 make[1]: quittant le répertoire « /wrk3lv/00LIEN-DEVEL/devel-prog-fgCVS/11-0205/flightgear/src » make: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1 OSG 2.9.10 which was right with a previous fg git version 2011/2/5 ThorstenB bre...@gmail.com On 05.02.2011 16:21, ThorstenB wrote: I'm currently testing a different patch for the same issue: instead of untieing all properties below the /fdm/jsbsim (only), I added a list to JSBSim's FGPropertyManagager, so it keeps track of all the properties it has actually bound. It can then use this list to untie all its properties - no mattere where these are located in the property tree. New patch pushed to flightgear/next: http://www.gitorious.org/fg/flightgear/commit/ad8d46ba648263630b8777c53f852b75cad7ecdd This will be overwritten by the next JSBSim update, however it's a short-term fix and candidate for our pending 2.2 release. So, please test if you still see reset issues with JSBSim aircraft. If we find it's an improvement (maybe/hopefully the final fix for this issue), then we'll be pushing this to the 2.2 branch also. But remember, none of the reset fixes is part of the 2.2 branch just yet. The long term fix needs to be part of the JSBSim repository of course. Jon, Erik: please check if you want to use this patch or have some other solution to the problem. cheers, Thorsten -- The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these rules translate into the virtual world? http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these rules translate into the virtual world? http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] JSBSIM Aircraft Crash at Reset
Hi, built OSG 2.9.10 again , and built Simgear Flightgear again gives the same error. Then, since OSG 2.9.11, is available. I have just built osg 2.9.11, Unfortunately simgear built against it, gives the following error mv -f .deps/CheckSceneryVisitor.Tpo .deps/CheckSceneryVisitor.Po g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../../simgear -I../../.. -I/usr/local/include -g -O2 -Wall -D_REENTRANT -MT ConditionNode.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/ConditionNode.Tpo -c -o ConditionNode.o ConditionNode.cxx mv -f .deps/ConditionNode.Tpo .deps/ConditionNode.Po g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../../simgear -I../../.. -I/usr/local/include -g -O2 -Wall -D_REENTRANT -MT SGClipGroup.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/SGClipGroup.Tpo -c -o SGClipGroup.o SGClipGroup.cxx mv -f .deps/SGClipGroup.Tpo .deps/SGClipGroup.Po g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../../simgear -I../../.. -I/usr/local/include -g -O2 -Wall -D_REENTRANT -MT SGInteractionAnimation.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/SGInteractionAnimation.Tpo -c -o SGInteractionAnimation.o SGInteractionAnimation.cxx mv -f .deps/SGInteractionAnimation.Tpo .deps/SGInteractionAnimation.Po g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../../simgear -I../../.. -I/usr/local/include -g -O2 -Wall -D_REENTRANT -MT SGMaterialAnimation.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/SGMaterialAnimation.Tpo -c -o SGMaterialAnimation.o SGMaterialAnimation.cxx mv -f .deps/SGMaterialAnimation.Tpo .deps/SGMaterialAnimation.Po g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../../simgear -I../../.. -I/usr/local/include -g -O2 -Wall -D_REENTRANT -MT SGOffsetTransform.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/SGOffsetTransform.Tpo -c -o SGOffsetTransform.o SGOffsetTransform.cxx mv -f .deps/SGOffsetTransform.Tpo .deps/SGOffsetTransform.Po g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../../simgear -I../../.. -I/usr/local/include -g -O2 -Wall -D_REENTRANT -MT SGPagedLOD.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/SGPagedLOD.Tpo -c -o SGPagedLOD.o SGPagedLOD.cxx SGPagedLOD.cxx: In member function ‘virtual void simgear::SGPagedLOD::forceLoad(osgDB::DatabasePager*, osg::FrameStamp*)’: SGPagedLOD.cxx:73:52: erreur: no matching function for call to ‘osgDB::DatabasePager::requestNodeFile(const std::string, simgear::SGPagedLOD* const, double, osg::FrameStamp*, osg::ref_ptrosg::Referenced, osgDB::Options*)’ /usr/local/include/osgDB/DatabasePager:73:22: note: candidate is: virtual void osgDB::DatabasePager::requestNodeFile(const std::string, osg::NodePath, float, const osg::FrameStamp*, osg::ref_ptrosg::Referenced, const osg::Referenced*) make[4]: *** [SGPagedLOD.o] Erreur 1 make[4]: quittant le répertoire « /wrk3lv/00LIEN-DEVEL/devel-prog-fgCVS/11-0205/simgear/simgear/scene/model » make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1 make[3]: quittant le répertoire « /wrk3lv/00LIEN-DEVEL/devel-prog-fgCVS/11-0205/simgear/simgear/scene » What is the matter ? 2011/2/5 ThorstenB bre...@gmail.com On 05.02.2011 18:54, henri orange wrote: , I get an error at build screen-dump.cxx:(.text+0x276): undefined reference to `osg::Referenced::signalObserversAndDelete(bool, bool) const' /usr/local/lib/libsgmisc.a(PathOptions.o): In function `simgear::makeOptionsFromPath(SGPath const)': You're having some local problem with mismatching osg header files and libraries. Probably compiled against osg 2.8.3 or 2.9.11 include files - and tried to link against 2.9.10 libraries (or vice versa). Or maybe the osg libraries are missing altogether. You were using FG commit 133cfbfa7f4ec62ddc97bd93d4a50fec81b52362 before (previous email). There were only two git updates since then - none affected any osg interface, neither any makefile. cheers, Thorsten -- The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these rules translate into the virtual world? http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these rules translate into the virtual world? http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] JSBSIM Aircraft Crash at Reset
Hi, Csaba Yes against OSG 2.9.10, i did built simgear flightgear from cleaned source ( copied from Git) Which mean: autogen.sh configure make sudo make install . don't bother , thanks for the answer. i will wait for a better stable version osg compatible. 2011/2/6 Csaba Halász csaba.hal...@gmail.com On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 12:45 AM, henri orange hohora...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, built OSG 2.9.10 again , and built Simgear Flightgear again gives the same error. Then, since OSG 2.9.11, is available. I have just built osg 2.9.11, Unfortunately simgear built against it, gives the following error What is the matter ? Current OSG is unfortunately incompatible with FG. Note, this is a compilation error, as it should be. Your earlier error with 2.9.10 was a linker error, which may mean you are not linking against all the required libraries. You have cut off the actual linker command line, so I can't tell. Have you re-run autogen.sh and configure too? -- Csaba/Jester -- The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these rules translate into the virtual world? http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these rules translate into the virtual world? http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] FlightGear-JSBSim: Crash at reset
Hello devel-member, Is it just me ? I am longer getting trouble with jsbsim aircraft and the reset feature Here an example with the 747-400. The following file contains the console output , with several runs, done at several Airport. You will notice: sometime i get the segmentation error message only, sometime i get a Backtrace (sorry, i am not developer i don't understand it). the link (text file) https://sites.google.com/site/grtuxhangar/home/download/crash-reset.txt Here an other strange effect, after reset (without crash), the 747 has lost the wings. the link (image file) https://sites.google.com/site/grtuxhangar/home/download/747-Manchot.jpg Though, that issue should not be specific to jsbsim models. BTW: i had a try with that 747 model because it is available with GPL, however, i experienced the crash at reset with other non GPL models ( for instance grtux models ) Flightgear recent git version built with Linux system. -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these rules translate into the virtual world? http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear-JSBSim: Crash at reset
Hi Gis, 2011/2/4 Gijs de Rooy gijsr...@hotmail.com Hi Henri, The following file contains the console output , with several runs, done at several Airport. Do you fly the 747-400 from current Git and also have an updated fgdata? It should not show some of these errors, like: XML sound: couldn't find file: Failed to load file: Failed to load file: Failed to load file: Nasal error: could not read script file into module cdu The last error is about the cdu; for which it is important to have an up to date Aircraft/Instruments-3d directory. That is my best guess. Anyway, those errors should not give a seg fault AFAIK... Since , my target is to point the reset issue (crash) not to test the Aircraft, i have some generic instruments which are not updated Here an other strange effect, after reset (without crash), the 747 has lost the wings. That means the sim experienced extensive G forces during reset (probably due to the fact aircraft are dropped onto the ground...). You can fix the wings via the 747-400 Repair menu. Arrgh i did not know that specific feature, thus forget the remark. Though, we could wonder why we are getting such drop on ground with reset, and nothing significant at start. Cheers, Gijs Anyhow, the crash at reset should' nt blast -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these rules translate into the virtual world? http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear-JSBSim: Crash at reset
Hi, p51d-jsbsim is also crashing with reset. 2011/2/4 henri orange hohora...@gmail.com Hi Gis, 2011/2/4 Gijs de Rooy gijsr...@hotmail.com Hi Henri, The following file contains the console output , with several runs, done at several Airport. Do you fly the 747-400 from current Git and also have an updated fgdata? It should not show some of these errors, like: XML sound: couldn't find file: Failed to load file: Failed to load file: Failed to load file: Nasal error: could not read script file into module cdu The last error is about the cdu; for which it is important to have an up to date Aircraft/Instruments-3d directory. That is my best guess. Anyway, those errors should not give a seg fault AFAIK... Since , my target is to point the reset issue (crash) not to test the Aircraft, i have some generic instruments which are not updated Here an other strange effect, after reset (without crash), the 747 has lost the wings. That means the sim experienced extensive G forces during reset (probably due to the fact aircraft are dropped onto the ground...). You can fix the wings via the 747-400 Repair menu. Arrgh i did not know that specific feature, thus forget the remark. Though, we could wonder why we are getting such drop on ground with reset, and nothing significant at start. Cheers, Gijs Anyhow, the crash at reset should' nt blast -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these rules translate into the virtual world? http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Helicopter view Panning ?
Hello devel members, Is it just me ? With git today, i have lost the panning feature with Helicopter view. -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Tried to initialize a non-existent engine!
Hello devel members, Again, the issue . Not with Aircraft's Engine, since the patch solved it (though getting others randomly bugs) but with Aircraft WITHOUT Engine, like Gliders . Tested with sgs233. Whould be the same issue with others JSBSim gliders 2011/1/25 James Turner zakal...@mac.com On 25 Jan 2011, at 10:28, Jon S. Berndt wrote: What patch? FIx for #204, the issue Henri is describing: http://gitorious.org/fg/flightgear/commit/c2458a17bf0a8a95caf1a43e37482162ae0100bc Partial band-aid for #222, the reset-NaN crash: (ugly, but not in the main JSBSim code) http://gitorious.org/fg/flightgear/commit/4b494b1d0842bc53d7295f74c44cf4f7a3185446 Andreas' other fixes for #222: http://gitorious.org/fg/flightgear/commit/4f364af6d178d947eae1a5a751e3a9542b270069 Regards, James -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Tried to initialize a non-existent engine!
BTW: paraglider is getting the same issue 2011/1/28 henri orange hohora...@gmail.com Hello devel members, Again, the issue . Not with Aircraft's Engine, since the patch solved it (though getting others randomly bugs) but with Aircraft WITHOUT Engine, like Gliders . Tested with sgs233. Whould be the same issue with others JSBSim gliders 2011/1/25 James Turner zakal...@mac.com On 25 Jan 2011, at 10:28, Jon S. Berndt wrote: What patch? FIx for #204, the issue Henri is describing: http://gitorious.org/fg/flightgear/commit/c2458a17bf0a8a95caf1a43e37482162ae0100bc Partial band-aid for #222, the reset-NaN crash: (ugly, but not in the main JSBSim code) http://gitorious.org/fg/flightgear/commit/4b494b1d0842bc53d7295f74c44cf4f7a3185446 Andreas' other fixes for #222: http://gitorious.org/fg/flightgear/commit/4f364af6d178d947eae1a5a751e3a9542b270069 Regards, James -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Tried to initialize a non-existent engine!
Continued I can notice, the older fgfs version without James Turner Patch, was right with Gliders ( no Engines ). My conclusion, the James Turner Patch was right to solve the issue, Aircraft with engine related, however it makes an issue, Aircraft without engine related. Sorry James, your patch does not fix correctly the bug. 2011/1/28 henri orange hohora...@gmail.com BTW: paraglider is getting the same issue 2011/1/28 henri orange hohora...@gmail.com Hello devel members, Again, the issue . Not with Aircraft's Engine, since the patch solved it (though getting others randomly bugs) but with Aircraft WITHOUT Engine, like Gliders . Tested with sgs233. Whould be the same issue with others JSBSim gliders 2011/1/25 James Turner zakal...@mac.com On 25 Jan 2011, at 10:28, Jon S. Berndt wrote: What patch? FIx for #204, the issue Henri is describing: http://gitorious.org/fg/flightgear/commit/c2458a17bf0a8a95caf1a43e37482162ae0100bc Partial band-aid for #222, the reset-NaN crash: (ugly, but not in the main JSBSim code) http://gitorious.org/fg/flightgear/commit/4b494b1d0842bc53d7295f74c44cf4f7a3185446 Andreas' other fixes for #222: http://gitorious.org/fg/flightgear/commit/4f364af6d178d947eae1a5a751e3a9542b270069 Regards, James -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Tried to initialize a non-existent engine!
Hello devel members, That issue with jsbsim aircraft is back. It comes up when at reset , for instance c172p.and we get a crash with that message: Tried to initialize a non-existent engine! I thought it was solved. -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Tried to initialize a non-existent engine!
Thanks, I did not noticed the last nigh update. Will try out it. 2011/1/25 James Turner zakal...@mac.com On 25 Jan 2011, at 09:46, henri orange wrote: It comes up when at reset , for instance c172p.and we get a crash with that message: Tried to initialize a non-existent engine! It was solved, but my was over-written when Erik updated JSBSim (because I didn't remember to submit it to JSBSim). But last night I re-appllied the fix to Git, so it should work again - I spent some time with the C172 resetting and repositioning and everything worked fine. (I didn't try any other aircraft, due to lack of time) James -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Catalina abort on startup
Thanks, And there is an other strange behavior , with that outdated model. When bombing water, the Aircraft create wildfire, which is idiot. Gérard, the original author, never gave me any explanation about it. To me, that feature ( create wildfire ) must be removed. 2011/1/24 Erik Hofman e...@ehofman.com On Sun, 2011-01-23 at 23:49 -0700, Ron Jensen wrote: On Sunday 23 January 2011 23:25:43 Gary Carvell wrote: Swapping the order of these two lines in PBY-6.xml appears to fix the problem: 775 42841.0.2800 776 21252.0.2100 Can anyone confirm this and commit the fix? Looks reasonable to me. Hopefully someone will commit? Done. Erik -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Catalina abort on startup
Yes, that model version is outdated, i understood it was Fg 1.9 compatible. For some reason Gérard didn't continue it. There is an other version within the grtux hangar which was permanently improved and updated according to FG git version. For the record, i am checking, it does suit to FG 2.2. 2011/1/24 Arnt Karlsen a...@c2i.net On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:06:31 +0100, henri wrote in message AANLkTini+bnCJ7eOSsYtABw5kHq==7x9W5zFy=ysq...@mail.gmail.com: 2011/1/24 Erik Hofman e...@ehofman.com On Sun, 2011-01-23 at 23:49 -0700, Ron Jensen wrote: On Sunday 23 January 2011 23:25:43 Gary Carvell wrote: Swapping the order of these two lines in PBY-6.xml appears to fix the problem: 775 42841.0.2800 776 21252.0.2100 Can anyone confirm this and commit the fix? Looks reasonable to me. Hopefully someone will commit? Done. Erik Thanks, And there is an other strange behavior , with that outdated model. When bombing water, the Aircraft create wildfire, which is idiot. Gérard, the original author, never gave me any explanation about it. To me, that feature ( create wildfire ) must be removed. ..we have more problems, I tested both the Catalina and the Catalina-plib, both segfaults on FG start-up: https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/catalinas -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Catalina abort on startup
If it is, the sequence is wrong it should be: First, there is wildfire , at some place on the scenery Second the aircraft fly over, bombing water. Third the water is extinguishing it , if the bombing is right. It is missing the right scenario. Since the existing process look like the Aircraft is bombing some petrol, making fire. 2011/1/24 Anders Gidenstam anders-...@gidenstam.org On Mon, 24 Jan 2011, henri orange wrote: Thanks, And there is an other strange behavior , with that outdated model. When bombing water, the Aircraft create wildfire, which is idiot. Gérard, the original author, never gave me any explanation about it. To me, that feature ( create wildfire ) must be removed. That sounds odd. As far as I can see in the aircraft code the water submodel creates wildfire water drop events, which should extinguish wild fires if present at the impact point. Cheers, Anders -- --- Anders Gidenstam WWW: http://www.gidenstam.org/FlightGear/ -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Catalina abort on startup
Arrgh, sorry. I have just Looked at the diff from that old GPL version to the last private version, there is no way to make an easy patch to debug the old one. The differences are huge, 3D model, FDM , system files, the other issue is the diff of license from GPL to CC. BTW: right now, i wonder were is that wildfire process coming from, working with the original GPL version from Gérard i do not find it. May be an add on which came later on. 2011/1/24 Arnt Karlsen a...@c2i.net On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:52:41 +0100, henri wrote in message AANLkTinvnx1jDgtoWUYzh2HVGS42dG_iBhSq0Judo0O=@mail.gmail.com: Yes, that model version is outdated, i understood it was Fg 1.9 compatible. For some reason Gérard didn't continue it. There is an other version within the grtux hangar which was permanently improved and updated according to FG git version. For the record, i am checking, it does suit to FG 2.2. ..ok, next step would be get Gérard's permission to distribute it with FG-2.2, http://grtux.pagesperso-orange.fr/tux/index-en.html says he cut off public access to his hangar. Without his permission, we can only use it to debug FG-2.2. 2011/1/24 Arnt Karlsen a...@c2i.net On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:06:31 +0100, henri wrote in message AANLkTini+bnCJ7eOSsYtABw5kHq==7x9W5zFy=ysq...@mail.gmail.com: 2011/1/24 Erik Hofman e...@ehofman.com On Sun, 2011-01-23 at 23:49 -0700, Ron Jensen wrote: On Sunday 23 January 2011 23:25:43 Gary Carvell wrote: Swapping the order of these two lines in PBY-6.xml appears to fix the problem: 775 42841.0.2800 776 21252.0.2100 Can anyone confirm this and commit the fix? Looks reasonable to me. Hopefully someone will commit? Done. Erik Thanks, And there is an other strange behavior , with that outdated model. When bombing water, the Aircraft create wildfire, which is idiot. Gérard, the original author, never gave me any explanation about it. To me, that feature ( create wildfire ) must be removed. ..we have more problems, I tested both the Catalina and the Catalina-plib, both segfaults on FG start-up: https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/catalinas -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Towable Object Idea
Hello Peter, Your idea is very interesting. Though my know how is limited, when digging into it, i guess such generic system should be be any FDM compatible ( i mean yasim and jsbsim). Since tthe aerotow feature is being part of these FDM. Those who don't know that feature with jsbsim must fly the nice glider DG-101G. AND One knows, jsbsim can Simulate helicopter ( i am in charge to convert the helo from the grtux hangar to jsbsim ). Thanks for the idea. 2011/1/10 Peter Brown smoothwater...@adelphia.net I have an idea to run by you all, and I encourage your input or comment and perhaps to spike anyone's interest. The idea is to create liftable and moveable mp objects, using the current aerotow feature, primarily for helicopter usage. While I am not knowledgeable enough to create it, it's been in the back of mind since Curt suggested demonstrating the Aircrane at a Simulator event by building a virtual tower some time ago. My thought would be create a number of simple objects, with the simplest FDM attached to them. To start these could simply be blocks, although this could expand to pipes/tower sections/etc. Each would use the 'pick' animation feature to bind the aerotow property to lock on and unlock the tow cable. This should get around requiring a second user to lock onto the tow aircraft. One would get within the 60m preset distance of the towable object and then click on it to attach the cable. Lift it, move it, set it anywhere, and click on it to un-attach it. To work in mp appears to be a slightly bigger issue. While it would be ideal from a mp standpoint to have 5-10 simplistic objects hosted on each mpserver, I assume that may not be very feasible. The ideal program would include some minor nasal timers and listeners that would default the object back to the default spawn location, say after 12 hours since last move. This would ensure it doesn't get lost or dropped in an un-retreiveable location. I ran the whole idea by a model builder, and he suggested perhaps having an object spawn other objects, such as how ordnance is dropped from an aircraft. Here's his thoughts - I think your plan could work. I think it would be desirable to have the objects be pseudo-aircraft like the jeep, etc., with dummy FDMs and as simplified as possible, then each can have a nasal system running on it containing custom code to handle special situations like resets, etc., taking this off any server requirements and placing it totally on the number of objects on MP. But each object would be a player-run MP vehicle with all the usual MP resources etc. and its own FG client I presume. So a better system might have one object that spawns other objects rather like ordinance, and then monitor/update them via nasal routines. That way only one MP 'player' need be on for all the objects, and the nasal running on the master object would manage all sub-objects and deal with special interactions. I'm not totally sure this is all possible, but I'll wager it is. Probably one of the FG gurus can think of a better way. I don't know if anyone has considered the possibilities of having generic mp-objects, but without them transmitting data as if an mp-user. If this was possible, it would not be a stretch for one of the FG community to provide a server that hosted these semi-static mp-objects. All of the ideas presented here may not be needed to achieve the base goal, but I believe there is a value to the Flightgear mp environment if it is achievable. (Without going into more tangents, I believe this could also open the door for other Flightgear enhancements) I would appreciate meaningful comments. Thanks, Peter -- Gaining the trust of online customers is vital for the success of any company that requires sensitive data to be transmitted over the Web. Learn how to best implement a security strategy that keeps consumers' information secure and instills the confidence they need to proceed with transactions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Gaining the trust of online customers is vital for the success of any company that requires sensitive data to be transmitted over the Web. Learn how to best implement a security strategy that keeps consumers' information secure and instills the confidence they need to proceed with transactions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hang on reset
Hello Jon Do we have flightgear git sync with jsbsim cvs ? That could explain. 2011/1/1 Jon S. Berndt jonsber...@comcast.net I seem to vaguely recall some issue with resetting (with JSBSim). I had thought that the most recent JSBSim code fixed that, though. Jon *From:* henri orange [mailto:hohora...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Saturday, January 01, 2011 7:32 AM *To:* FlightGear developers discussions *Subject:* Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hang on reset 2010/12/31 AJ MacLeod aj-li...@adeptopensource.co.uk Am I alone in seeing flightgear hanging every time after doing a reset? My SG/FG/Data are all current, though I haven't built OSG in a while... AJ -- - No, you are not alone. I noticed some isues with every JSBSIM models, recent fg git version and osg devel-version 2.9.9 You may refer to these link http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=3139100group_id=19399atid=119399 http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=24500694.13914831292331331212.JavaMail.root%40spooler4-g27.priv.proxad.netforum_name=flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer - -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hang on reset
2010/12/31 AJ MacLeod aj-li...@adeptopensource.co.uk Am I alone in seeing flightgear hanging every time after doing a reset? My SG/FG/Data are all current, though I haven't built OSG in a while... AJ -- - No, you are not alone. I noticed some isues with every JSBSIM models, recent fg git version and osg devel-version 2.9.9 You may refer to these link http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=3139100group_id=19399atid=119399 http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=24500694.13914831292331331212.JavaMail.root%40spooler4-g27.priv.proxad.netforum_name=flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Question about snow and rain norm property
Hi, Torsten, Thanks. This helped me. Since, with the fdm, the target is to identify the real time status of the terrain under, with snow-norm or with rain-norm and the target is to calculate the aircraft behavior against these parameters, If my understanding , about your idea, is right , it is better to use the newer properties /environment/barbaz. Thus, we don't mind if the values are fictive, coming from the user local customized weather, or real, coming from metar, or an intermediate value, due to the time-based interpolation controller, we only mind to use the ground simulation real time value at the aircraft simulation real time position. Doing that, i guess will avoid any difference in between , the visual on screen , and the calculated ground reaction. 2010/12/21 Torsten Dreyer tors...@t3r.de Hi, I just notice some modifications about the snow and rain norm property, which seems to be exposed twice. One place, in the /environment directory , which is new; and an other place in the /environment/metar directory , which is the old usable place. I am maintaining a lot of Aircraft, which are using these property ( snow and rain norm ) within the Aircraft JSBSIM FDM, ground reaction related. My question: right now, which place i must refer to ? the old one /environment/metar/rain or the new one /environment/rain or both, depending on , real weather in use, yes or no Won't it be better to get it exposed only once. The idea behind splitting these is to have the properties /environment/metar/foobar represent the weather as reported in the corresponding METAR and the properties /environment/barbaz represent the weather at you current position. These two are not necessarily the same. Currently, the values flow from /environment/metar to /environment with the time-based interpolation controller in $FGDATA/Environment/metarinterpolator.xml or any other environment controller, like the Local-Weather system from Thorsten Renk. Currently under development is to have more than one METAR report and be able to have lateral interpolation together with timed interpolation. These reports will live under /environment/metar[0], /environment/metar[1], etc. probably ordered by distance to current position. For the time being, you should be safe using snow and rain from /environment/metar but in the long run, you might have to think about which property to use: current position or at a certain airport. Hope this helps Torsten -- Forrester recently released a report on the Return on Investment (ROI) of Google Apps. They found a 300% ROI, 38%-56% cost savings, and break-even within 7 months. Over 3 million businesses have gone Google with Google Apps: an online email calendar, and document program that's accessible from your browser. Read the Forrester report: http://p.sf.net/sfu/googleapps-sfnew ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Forrester recently released a report on the Return on Investment (ROI) of Google Apps. They found a 300% ROI, 38%-56% cost savings, and break-even within 7 months. Over 3 million businesses have gone Google with Google Apps: an online email calendar, and document program that's accessible from your browser. Read the Forrester report: http://p.sf.net/sfu/googleapps-sfnew___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Some community comments (was: Scenery Corner)
Hi, First all, for some reason, i have been, only recently involved in the Flightgear life, though being an old user of flight simulators. I don't understand, that talk mailinglist versus forum. Each one can find easier to use one , or the other according to his feeling, or according to his resources (know how, computer, communication line ..). When reading both, i just noticed that there could be some stupidity said within the forum, which are the opportunity of long and sterile talk. Though, we can notice some debate, which are there, of a very high quality, unfortunately lost in the common recipient. Here, mailinglist, the talks and and questions are more selective and more accurate. Like Mr Spott said about his silent when is trying to achieve within the FlightGear project, the mailinglist population can be silent about the result. I f there is not any aaah's and oooh's that does not mean the user do not appreciate the quality. Thorsten, may i include some remark about your, here and there, answers. I can be wrong, and i can have misunderstood your mind, if yes, my apologizes. I do understand that you are positioning on the same range of quality, the eye candy, and, the realistic simulation and environment of an aircraft flight behavior. About model: There is a lot of aircraft ( too much) within flightgear which are eye candy perfect, with the full generic effect panoply stuff, unfortunately built with a crazy flight behavior making to laugh any user ( but young player ). Don't an unachieved Aircraft FDM which gives the priority to the flight specifications, and temporary do not process the behavior on ground (though i do not understand the Mr Baranger remark, you refer to), represents and promote the best of the flightgear potential ? Don't the first priority when making an Aircraft is to make a good fdm ? Don't the f16 or Lightning better than the f14 ? to me the answer is: the f14 is not the best one. Flight simulation does not mean special effect movie like. Or, we are talking something else,, which won't take place here. The higher range notation of any model must be first given to the flight behavior, the eye candy notation, is minor, only a packaging. About scenery: When i first got in touch with the Mr Spott 's scenery , i was impressed by the result, which is to me enough. Thus we can have an airborne over terrain which are not fictive. Yes better terrain profile and details ( for instance the st Marteen airport ) , are welcome, however, low details scenery is better than nothing, and i don't mind if i cannot find my house, or my preferred beach on the scenery. 2010/12/22 thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi Hi Martin, I also find it rather interesting to read something about the 'invisible' work behind the scenery - thank you for letting us know. It's sometimes difficult to appreciate the work that is not directly seen, and it helps a lot if you tell us. Thanks for the hard work. However, there is one sentence in your descriptions which I did not like, because it expresses a sentiment which I do not like at all about the Flightgear community. Please let me take the time to explain. The sentence I mean is This sort of Scenery development is substantially different from craving for aaah's and oooh's on The Forum after you successfully managed to follow an elaborate and nicely illustrated recipe on how to build FlightGear Terrain. I don't know for a fact what you want to imply, but it reminds me of something for example Vivian expressed a while ago with regard to judging cockpits by visual detail. Vivian wrote: I would suggest that as such it has little value for a Flight Sim such as ours which values accuracy above all else. Bit of fun for the forum though. Let me now speak more to the audience at large, rather than to Martin personally... In both statements I read the following ideas (I don't know if you literally meant that - but that's what came across) * while the mailinglist is for real work, the forum is just for playing around * consequently, while the forum can be impressed by cheap tricks and eye candy, the 'real' development community cares about more important things such as accuracy Let me take a virtual needle and deflate the claims a bit. Until recently, Flightgear's idea of a weather change was that pressure, wind and visibility instantly jump from one value to another. Hardly what I would call accuracy. Doing it differently by means of an interpolation isn't even technically complicated (my 1/d weighted routine was 40 lines or so) or would require terrible computing power - there was just nobody sufficiently interested before 2.0.0 came out. Or, as Emmanuel Baranger has pointed out repeatedly, the fact the JSBSim planes can frequently land on water can hardly be called accurate. I could go on, but I think my point is clear - the Flightgear development community doesn't value accuracy as such, but
[Flightgear-devel] Question about snow and rain norm property
Hi, I just notice some modifications about the snow and rain norm property, which seems to be exposed twice. One place, in the /environment directory , which is new; and an other place in the /environment/metar directory , which is the old usable place. I am maintaining a lot of Aircraft, which are using these property ( snow and rain norm ) within the Aircraft JSBSIM FDM, ground reaction related. My question: right now, which place i must refer to ? the old one /environment/metar/rain or the new one /environment/rain or both, depending on , real weather in use, yes or no Won't it be better to get it exposed only once. -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Forrester recently released a report on the Return on Investment (ROI) of Google Apps. They found a 300% ROI, 38%-56% cost savings, and break-even within 7 months. Over 3 million businesses have gone Google with Google Apps: an online email calendar, and document program that's accessible from your ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] message: Warning: TangentSpaceGenerator: unknown primitive mode 9 why?
Hi, project members At FG load, i get a lot of these warning messages: TangentSpaceGenerator: unknown primitive mode 9 Is it just me ? is there any possibility to avoid it ? Thanks. Best regards, Alva, Official grtux hangar maintainer. -- Lotusphere 2011 Register now for Lotusphere 2011 and learn how to connect the dots, take your collaborative environment to the next level, and enter the era of Social Business. http://p.sf.net/sfu/lotusphere-d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Some Aircraft ( jsbsim fdm ?) cannot reset
Hi, project members When i try to reset an Aircraft which is flying with a jsbsim fdm ( for instance the f16) the program stop and i get an error with the message: Tried to initialize a non-existent engine! Aircraft propulsion element has problems in file /wrklvm/FlightGear/data/Aircraft/f16/f16.xml Unknown exception in the main loop. Aborting... II do not notice any similar error with, others fdm (yasim, uiuc ) though i did not tried all of these ~400 models Is it just me ? is it specific to some jsbsim Aircraft ? is it specific to jsbsim ? Best regards, Alva -- Lotusphere 2011 Register now for Lotusphere 2011 and learn how to connect the dots, take your collaborative environment to the next level, and enter the era of Social Business. http://p.sf.net/sfu/lotusphere-d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Some Aircraft ( jsbsim fdm ?) cannot reset
Though, i have just tested an other airplane without any engine, the glider sgs233. The reset is working. Thus we could conclude , only the aircraft engine loading part is causing the crash. Alva 2010/12/14 James Turner zakal...@mac.com On 14 Dec 2010, at 11:51, henri orange wrote: II do not notice any similar error with, others fdm (yasim, uiuc ) though i did not tried all of these ~400 models Is it just me ? is it specific to some jsbsim Aircraft ? is it specific to jsbsim ? http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/issues/detail?id=204 It seems to affect all JSBSim aircraft. We haven't yet pinpointed the changes (in JSBSim or FG) that introduced this regression. James -- Lotusphere 2011 Register now for Lotusphere 2011 and learn how to connect the dots, take your collaborative environment to the next level, and enter the era of Social Business. http://p.sf.net/sfu/lotusphere-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Lotusphere 2011 Register now for Lotusphere 2011 and learn how to connect the dots, take your collaborative environment to the next level, and enter the era of Social Business. http://p.sf.net/sfu/lotusphere-d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GIT P-38-Lightning segfaulting
Hi, I am the guy who is officially in charge to maintain the grtux hangar. However that model ( like the others by Gérard which are coming from the old cvs repo ) has not been updated for months. Right now, none of these models are working since, were done to fly up to FG 1.9.1. Some of these models are or were duplicate with other similar models done recently by Mr Baranger, which are (i guess) longer maintained. The P-38 Lightning you refer to is in such case. The best, to me, would be to ignore that old outdated version, or better to remove it from GIT. Regards Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer. 2010/12/12 Hal V. Engel hven...@gmail.com I was looking over current model to see if there was anything I could steal that would help advance the p51d. In the process I discovered the the P-38- Lightning from GIT segfaults with the following: Fatal error: FGTable: column lookup is not monotonically increasing in column 2 of table in aero/function/kCLpw: 0=0.04 I ran into the same problem with my model when the Nov. 30 JSBSIm update happened. In my case I only had one lookup value in one table was not monotonic but I had some lookups that were decreasing monotonically that I needed to fix. It is good that JSBSim is catching these issues but there are likely to be other models that now have issues that need to be corrected. Hal -- Oracle to DB2 Conversion Guide: Learn learn about native support for PL/SQL, new data types, scalar functions, improved concurrency, built-in packages, OCI, SQL*Plus, data movement tools, best practices and more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Oracle to DB2 Conversion Guide: Learn learn about native support for PL/SQL, new data types, scalar functions, improved concurrency, built-in packages, OCI, SQL*Plus, data movement tools, best practices and more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GIT P-38-Lightning segfaulting
with the topic Nonfunctional airplane http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=26649893 i had sent an answer regarding the known duplicate models. quote== Hi, That won't be a problem for the FlighGear users, These models are getting duplicated with some others recent models (done by E Baranger ) which i guess are working with FG git version. =SR71-Blachbird/Blackbird can be replaced by Lockheed-SR71 =P-38-Lightning/P-38L can be replaced by Lockheed-P38 =Noratlas/N2502 can be replaced by Nord2502 Regards, ALVA =quote 2010/12/13 henri orange hohora...@gmail.com Hi, I am the guy who is officially in charge to maintain the grtux hangar. However that model ( like the others by Gérard which are coming from the old cvs repo ) has not been updated for months. Right now, none of these models are working since, were done to fly up to FG 1.9.1. Some of these models are or were duplicate with other similar models done recently by Mr Baranger, which are (i guess) longer maintained. The P-38 Lightning you refer to is in such case. The best, to me, would be to ignore that old outdated version, or better to remove it from GIT. Regards Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer. 2010/12/12 Hal V. Engel hven...@gmail.com I was looking over current model to see if there was anything I could steal that would help advance the p51d. In the process I discovered the the P-38- Lightning from GIT segfaults with the following: Fatal error: FGTable: column lookup is not monotonically increasing in column 2 of table in aero/function/kCLpw: 0=0.04 I ran into the same problem with my model when the Nov. 30 JSBSIm update happened. In my case I only had one lookup value in one table was not monotonic but I had some lookups that were decreasing monotonically that I needed to fix. It is good that JSBSim is catching these issues but there are likely to be other models that now have issues that need to be corrected. Hal -- Oracle to DB2 Conversion Guide: Learn learn about native support for PL/SQL, new data types, scalar functions, improved concurrency, built-in packages, OCI, SQL*Plus, data movement tools, best practices and more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Oracle to DB2 Conversion Guide: Learn learn about native support for PL/SQL, new data types, scalar functions, improved concurrency, built-in packages, OCI, SQL*Plus, data movement tools, best practices and more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft model/cockpit rating
Le mercredi 01 décembre 2010 14:06:11, thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi a écrit : One example that strikes me is the c172p, though I'm biased as one of the maintainers of the aircraft, and it is rated accurately according to your criteria :) Compared with, say, the A-10, the F-14b or the Tu-154b (which is not in the GIT repository) - how would you rate the c172p cockpit? Would you say that it has the same quality, would you say that it is better or worse? Hi, I am not fully aware with such talk, so my answer could be out of your target. A cockpit must be close to the real one, instrument position, and functionality ( i have read from Mr Martin Spott and Mr Vivian Meazza a similar opinion ) . The instruments must be readable, nothing else, no additional , suppose to be, eye candy artifact which would be unacceptable on a real aircraft. Yes, we can accept flat instrument. We can notice some instruments on some models which are crazy and unrealistic, yes eye candy, but unusable. And i am not talking about the stupid indications which could be given. Does Flightgear is a simulator or a Van Gogh painting ? The c172p is to me the first , since it it is validated by real pilot , and probably the Tu-154b. May be the A-10 and F-14b are right, may be not , as long a pilot did not say yes it is OK. Please don't fall in the MSFS policy, when the eye candy is the main approach. I hope i didn't hurt anybody with my answer, in case of, i apologize. Thanks for your work. Alva -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Fwd: Aircraft model/cockpit rating
-- Forwarded message -- From: henri orange hohora...@gmail.com Date: 2010/12/1 Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft model/cockpit rating To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Le mercredi 01 décembre 2010 14:06:11, thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi a écrit : One example that strikes me is the c172p, though I'm biased as one of the maintainers of the aircraft, and it is rated accurately according to your criteria :) Compared with, say, the A-10, the F-14b or the Tu-154b (which is not in the GIT repository) - how would you rate the c172p cockpit? Would you say that it has the same quality, would you say that it is better or worse? Hi, I am not fully aware with such talk, so my answer could be out of your target. A cockpit must be close to the real one, instrument position, and functionality ( i have read from Mr Martin Spott and Mr Vivian Meazza a similar opinion ) . The instruments must be readable, nothing else, no additional , suppose to be, eye candy artifact which would be unacceptable on a real aircraft. Yes, we can accept flat instrument. We can notice some instruments on some models which are crazy and unrealistic, yes eye candy, but unusable. And i am not talking about the stupid indications which could be given. Does Flightgear is a simulator or a Van Gogh painting ? The c172p is to me the first , since it it is validated by real pilot , and probably the Tu-154b. May be the A-10 and F-14b are right, may be not , as long a pilot did not say yes it is OK. Please don't fall in the MSFS policy, when the eye candy is the main approach. I hope i didn't hurt anybody with my answer, in case of, i apologize. Thanks for your work. Alva -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Warning: TangentSpaceGenerator: unknown primitive mode 9
Hi, I am getting that warning message ( a lot :( ) Is it a known issue ? What can be done to avoid it ? Since, i have a lot of customized, Scenery, Aircraft models, AI models which could explain the issue, i could be alone to get such Warning. In such case forget the noise. Thanks Alva -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Nimitz Catapult 4 wrong position
Hi, navy specialists, With a recent Git version, the carrier Nimitz catapult number 4 is defined at a wrong position, + or - on catapult number 3 . Was not the case on an earlier FGGIT version. Is it on purpose ? Thanks Alva -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] FG GIT update with JSBSIM cvs
Hi, devel I am working on models which are jsbsim FDM. My target is to update these models in order to get it, last jsbsim version compatible. How can i build FG with the most recent jsbsim version ? Since , the FG Gitorious does not include the last jsbsim version (it is not sync with) Many thanks for the answer. Alva -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG GIT update with JSBSIM cvs
2010/11/26 Ron Jensen w...@jentronics.com On Friday 26 November 2010 08:39:16 henri orange wrote: Hi, devel I am working on models which are jsbsim FDM. My target is to update these models in order to get it, last jsbsim version compatible. How can i build FG with the most recent jsbsim version ? Since , the FG Gitorious does not include the last jsbsim version (it is not sync with) Many thanks for the answer. Alva In the JSBSim CVS project (http://jsbsim.sourceforge.net/download.html) there is a script called admin/jsb2fg that will copy the JSBSim CVS project files into the flightgear git source tree. Ron Thanks for the quick answer. I'll try out. Alva -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Nimitz Catapult 4 wrong position
2010/11/26 Vivian Meazza vivian.mea...@lineone.net Yes, on purpose. We have an issue with aircraft falling through the deck: http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/issues/detail?id=183 We hope to revert this change as soon as possible. This was explained in the commit message for this update Vivian -Original Message- *From:* henri orange [mailto:hohora...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 26 November 2010 12:43 *To:* FlightGear developers discussions *Subject:* [Flightgear-devel] Nimitz Catapult 4 wrong position Hi, navy specialists, With a recent Git version, the carrier Nimitz catapult number 4 is defined at a wrong position, + or - on catapult number 3 . Was not the case on an earlier FGGIT version. Is it on purpose ? Thanks Alva Thanks for the quick answer. I didn't noticed the issue. Alva -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
