FLUXLIST: Re: new issue of Monk Mink Pink Punk
John M. Bennett wrote: Good issue - I'm also a fan of gagaku and its Korean version, great stuff, have been listening to it since I was a kid in Japan - I have an interest in Noh Theatre and its music. It is difficult to find. I only have 1 CD, and I have a copy of another record I downloaded. I've been thinking for years on how to compose something inspired by this. I made something on a 4-track recorder years ago that crudely imitates Noh music; it is goofy. The vocalizations in Noh music are supposedly cues to tempo/rhythm changes. -Josh -- ___ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10
FLUXLIST: Re: new issue of Monk Mink Pink Punk
mIEKAL aND wrote: The issue is dated July 05... am I missing something or has time stopped no one told me? I am only half Jewish. The other half is sloth. Most of the issue was finished in July, but it has taken me this long to finially finish it. But at least it is finished. Should I change the July 05 dates to June 06 so it doesn't seem so back-dated? Maybe I could just change a word on each page so that they will be June 06 material... Rod Stasick wrote: Did the issue on Dick Higgins take a back seat? I was planning on interviewing Dick, and had begun to exchange words with him, but because of my mixed heritage, cf above, the interview never happened. Moral of the story, unless you live in a tree, don't be a sloth. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas -- ___ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10
FLUXLIST: Tiny Windows for trade...
Happy New Year! I'm starting the year off right: with Mail Art. I'll probably only get two projects done today. For one of the projects, I have cut out all the windows from an old black white photo of storefront buildings (19th Century New York?). I am using the buildings without windows for the mail art project. I have 2 dozen tiny tiny cut out windows (3mm x 9mm) to offer for trade. I will mail them to the first person who pledges to mail me something of equal value in return. I will not break up this exceptional set! -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas -- ___ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10
Re: FLUXLIST: An Historical Atlas of Fluxlist - Proposal
I am available to write protraits of FluxList people, especially people I do not know... By the way, what ever happened to the FluxList Cookbook? -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas -- ___ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10
FLUXLIST: mixed-up headlines...
For Wednesday, Nov 11, 2005: Liberians Appear to Lose Strength, Win Elections. Post-war chaos leaves Wounded Principal in N.J. and Va. Democrats battling leprosy. French Rioting Reject Schwarzenegger Initiatives. Voters Praised As Hero in Tenn. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas -- ___ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10
FLUXLIST: Cards
Last night I found three cards with instructions that I passed out at a performance in 1999 or so. Your mission, if you choose to accept, is to take one of these cards and follow the instruction and report back with the results. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas -- ___ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10
FLUXLIST: Re: Fluxus Anthology 2005
Who has submitted so far? Is there room in the booklet for notes? -Josh -- ___ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10
FLUXLIST: definition of Fluxus
Fluxus is a multimedia art made from the curdled activities of various people-most commonly poets but sometimes painters, musicians, dancers, housewives and water skiers. There are hundreds of types of Fluxus. Dada is often used to induce coagulation in the art, although some Fluxus is curdled with ideas from Situationalism or Neoism or with extracts of various species of Pop-Art (sometimes called vegetable art). Dada is an urge traditionally obtained from the stomach lining of rocking horses or from a studio-produced substitute. Pranks and sight-gags are added to Fluxus to reduce the pH, alter texture, and develop flavor, and some Fluxus also has politics, either on the outer skin or throughout. The natural color of Fluxus ranges from off-white to yellow. In some parts of the world, such as Wisconsin in the United States, the art is low in sarcasm, making Fluxus a paler yellow than normal. In this case, it is common to add elephant dung as a coloring agent. Some Fluxus is made with the addition of audience participation. As a response to the loss of diversity in mass-produced Fluxus, a cottage industry has grown up around home Fluxus-making in some locations. In many European countries this has historically been the normal means of Fluxus. Different styles and flavors of Fluxus are the results of using different species of fonts and typefaces, different levels of banality, variations in length of Flux Events (very short vs. very long), differing processing treatments (dissembling the seriousness of high art, filming buttocks and other body parts, political protesting, cross dressing) and different breeds of performance art, film, music and other theaters. Other factors include simplicity, the unity of art and life and the addition of chance and playfulness to some Fluxus. Some controversy exists regarding the safety of Fluxus made by the traditional methods of using pure Dada and regarding how Neo-Dada affects flavor. In most Eastern countries, Fluxus is considered a vile substance. Thus, it is rarely found in any Asian museums. -- ___ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com
Re: FLUXLIST: Josh/Screenprinting
Oops, my last message to the list was supposed to be private. Did I write anything exceedingly embarassing? While we are discussing the topic, other hints/links re: screenprinting would be helpful. -Josh -- ___ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com
RE: FLUXLIST: Mail Art publication/A belated HellO!
This email account has been actinf wierd so I've been avoiding it and just this very minute read your email. The mail art issue is still available, and I made some more of the foil issue with leftovers, but the reprinted pages are on normal paper, not the special papers in the original run. What is your address these days?I do mail art. Irregularly. Primarily I am a musician so most of my art time is spent on that. I have been trying to think on what I want to do with Mail Art, which projects I want to do and how I want to approach them. I think I want to start doing screenprinting. I've always wanted to do them. Maybe this summer is the time. Have you ever? http://www.narrowhouserecording.comis not working. Did it change? I hope you are well, -Josh - Original Message -From: "David-Baptiste Chirot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: FLUXLIST@scribble.comSubject: RE: FLUXLIST: Mail Art publication/A belated HellO!Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 10:24:33 -0500 Dear Josh i have only been meaning to write to you for seemingly centureis now--to say Hello! and how are you and yourworks going/ i had found this re the mail art --and wanted to ask if still available? and also the foil issue? i have always loved yur projects and wonder what new ones up to? things have been pretty busy for me--all different ways--a lotof my things are up and more aaccepted to go up and more in journals etc--but is alwayys the present that counts--not waht is done--so- i am working a lot on my rubBEings of late as have said iwould do a few smal books for publisher in finland--and have to get back to doing my paintings--i make them by imprintng letterings and forms in clay and then painting them--mainly spray paint--and pressing paperon to it- a primite printing press! just as the rubBEings are a primitive method oof copy art can fwd to you some sites etc whrere you can find them- an interview is at http://www.narrowhouserecording.com and in the last four issues of Blackbox are poetry, collages, paintings-- http://www.WilliamJamesAustin.com click Blackbox a book done with John M Benneett cameout in last weeks--CITY OF CRUST and miekal and's press did xerolage 32--book of the rubBEings-- they keep appearing all over!amazing to me such interest! i am stil doing mail art--i wasn't for awhile but back into it now--mail art zines too--around the world-- do you do mail art?-- and what al are you up to? it wil be great to hear fromyou! always al my warmest best onwo/ards! i wil fwd to yu some other sites etc--david-bc From: "josh ronsen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: FLUXLIST@scribble.comTo: FLUXLIST@scribble.comSubject: FLUXLIST: Mail Art publicationDate: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:39:39 -0600I am selling copies of Monk Mink Pink Punk #10, a very special issue on the topic "MAIL ART: KNOW THE DANGERS."I am asking for $1 to cover postage and very expensive printer ink, $2 if you want a CDr of recent instrumental/electro-acoustic music.Back issue info at http://home.flash.net/~jronsen/mmpp.html (and I have a few copies of the "wrapped in foil issue" #6, email me to reserve one of the few lasteditions).-Josh Ronsen2001 BrentwoodAustin TX 78757 USA--___NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once.http://datingsearch.lycos.com How does 6 Songs for 99 cents sound? Go to music.msn.com and meet FREE music -- ___ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com
Re: FLUXLIST: Writing Action Event
Mr. And, You should join this list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thespeckledmarmoset/ -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas -- ___ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com
Re: FLUXLIST: Writing Action Event
Alan, You should join this list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thespeckledmarmoset/ -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas -- ___ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com
Re: FLUXLIST: Writing Action Event
David, You should join this list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thespeckledmarmoset/ -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas -- ___ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com
FLUXLIST: Mail Art publication
I am selling copies of Monk Mink Pink Punk #10, a very special issue on the topic MAIL ART: KNOW THE DANGERS. I am asking for $1 to cover postage and very expensive printer ink, $2 if you want a CDr of recent instrumental/electro-acoustic music. Back issue info at http://home.flash.net/~jronsen/mmpp.html (and I have a few copies of the wrapped in foil issue #6, email me to reserve one of the few last editions). -Josh Ronsen 2001 Brentwood Austin TX 78757 USA -- ___ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com
FLUXLIST: Re: Poetry
Hard lessons from poetry class: Speech is free unless it's critical By BILL HILL Daytona Beach - News-journalonline.com Last update: 15 May 2004 Bill Nevins, a New Mexico high school teacher and personal friend, was fired last year and classes in poetry and the poetry club at Rio Rancho High School were permanently terminated. Digging around the Internet, the principal's name is Gary Tripp and his email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] The lawsuit brief can be found here: http://www1.law.ucla.edu/~volokh/blog_data/nevins.pdf Anyone disturbed by this should email Mr. Tripp. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Collabrative Story Update
We're now up to 14 sentences, 3 paragraphs, and continue to grow. If you emailed me or the List expressing interest in the story, your part of the story is on its way to you. The suspense is building! Please be paitent! Do not panic! Take a deep breath and relax your shoulders. Ask yourself the question, why is Shoulders spelt Shoulders in America and not Sholders? How would one spell the word meaning one who shoulds? I.e. shoulder, should-er, He was always saying 'I should have done this,' 'I should have done that,' he would always be a shoulder. Anyway, the point is the story is on its way to you. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: More excuses
May 7: too drunk to work May 8: too much work to get drunk -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: STORY UPDATE
So far I have 17 volunteers for the story, and I already have 3 sentences (not including my initial seed sentence). I am doing this by email, as I lack the paitence to do it by snail mail. Back to work, -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: collabrative story
My Fellow Fluxlisters, I am starting a new story project, an exquisite corpse. Let me know if you want to participate, and the more who do the better. I will send a sentence to the first person on the list, who then must write a second sentence and send it back to me. I will then send the second sentence to the next person on the list and so on. I will only write the first sentence. I plan on going through the list a few tmes. Who's in? -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: FLUX CAFE photos
Carol Starr wrote: hi josh you are brave to do 'danger music #2'. very inteesting event, thanks for the photos. Oh, it was hardly bravery. Foolhardy, maybe, but there was no danger in it (except to my dignity). -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: FLUX CAFE photos
Owen Smith asks: Very nice Josh - so how did it feel to perform Danger Music No. 2? It hurt! The electric clippers I borrowed were very old and it felt like my hair was being ripped out. I first tried to do it myself, without a mirror, thinking it would be buzz buzz buzz and done. It took a long time. Now I have no hair. I can't wait for it to grow back in. The evening was a success. I think everyone, audience and performers, enjoyed it. I had asked members of the Austin New Music Co-Op (I play clarinet with them) to do some of the Fluxus orchestra pieces, and then decided to have them do other pieces in masse (like Ono's Lighting Piece). Some of them did not know anything about Fluxus except for my brief description in discussing the project. For the Cafe idea, I had two waitresses go through the audience and take orders (and money for each piece), so we had no idea what was going to be performed or when. We had to have a quick huddle backstage before each piece. What are we doing Just go out there and at Bill's command [the conductor], hit your head against the wall. It turned out well. I will send the program list/menu in a later email. Highlights included: -Tying up the audience... -The huge mess on stage... -Walter's guitar solo he wrote me: but I, not knowing anything about firecrackers, picked a smoker, not a popper, so only a lot of smoke came out of my guitar, no sound... -I wrote Money Piece II for the orchestra, in which the orchestra picks up change from the stage. Bill, the conductor, had decided that we would take the stage, the money would be sprinkled about, and at his downbeat we would start collecting. But one of the players, trombonist Nick Smith, went crazy at the site of two dollars in change and just lunged for the money without waiting for the command to start. I laughed. [in Money Piece I I ask for a dollar bill from the audience and then rip it up. This I did as well.] -I have been studying Gyorgy Ligeti lately, and transcribing 2 interviews with him from French, and Elana Logsdon and I read the alphabetical insults from his 1977 opera Le Grande Macabre (ravishing runt! swashbuckling swine!) -Elana and Brandon Young read my play that I sent to the FluxList Box II with much pathos and overacting (perfect!) -playing fruit baseball: Nick Smith hit a single [grapefruit], but then was tagged out while going to 2nd base. In all, it was a lot of fun. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: FLUX CAFE photos
http://homepage.mac.com/shawnfeeney/flux/PhotoAlbum16.html I am the one in the white shirt and black tie. More details later, -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: it's not art it's html
I, too, think email sent to FluxList should be text only. I get a lot of HTML junk in my daily digests, and also a lot of repeated text sent in replies. Both of these make reading FluxList more of a chore than the useful fun it should be. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: The Mask Event
Amy Baylaurel Casey wrote: i've always wanted to figure out how to wear jello... You could: 1. put 1000 packs of jello into bathtub full of water, climb in and let it set (perhaps would only work in winter with no heat). When jello sets around you, get out of tub. 2. Put gelled jello next to body and wrap yourself up with plastic wrap. I know someone who did this with meat. Jello would probably smell less. In either case, please take pictures! -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: FLUX CAFE in Austin, Texas
PRESS RELEASE DATE: FEBRUARY 16, 2004 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE KILL DATE: March 1, 2004 Contact: Josh Ronsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 512-533-9741 LOCAL PERFORMANCE ARTISTS PRESENT FLUX CAFE TO PERFORM WORKS OF 1960s FLUXUS COLLECTIVE A unique evening of performances in the vibrant style of Fluxus, the late 20th-century art collective. February 28, 2004 at 8:00 PM Church of the Friendly Ghost 209 Pedernales Austin, Texas Admission: Free (performances will cost between $.10 and $50.00) Flux Cafe is a unique performance event celebrating the challenging work of the Fluxus artists of the 1960s and 1970s. Flux Cafe will feature performances of pieces by artists associated with Fluxus, including Dick Higgins,Yoko Ono and Nam June Paik, as well as a few new pieces in the vein of Fluxus. The show is being presented by Alex Keller and Josh Ronsen, two contemporary artists based in Austin. Keller and Ronsen will be joined by Elana Logsdon and the Austin New Music Co-Op for the performances. In the Fluxus tradition of challenging the audience, admission will be Free and the audience will order pieces a la carte. Alex Keller says The Flux Cafe asks the audience to be a consumer, and decide what pieces will happen when. Admission will be free, but in order to see a piece performed you will have to select it on a menu and order it from the waitstaff. The costs of pieces will vary from ten cents to fifty dollars. It might be possible to show up and see an evening of performances without spending a dime. No piece will be performed more than once, some may not be performed at all, and some will be performed simultaneously. It¹s possible that nothing will happen at all. What is Fluxus? Josh Ronsen says FLUXUS is a name used to describe the activities and objects of a group of artists mainly living in New York City in the 1960s, but Fluxus happened around the world. It is not an artistic movement, but more of a brand name of absurdity, humor, dedication, simplicity, art, anti-art, and anti-anti-art. Its detractors, including Pierre Boulez, called it Neo-Dada. Its supporters called it Zen Vaudeville. Fluxus tried to cross every line, break every barrier, destroy every unquestioned convention about art, music and life. There is a beautiful conciseness, like a Zen koan, to a perfect Fluxus performance score, and a austere business-like approach to its realization. For additional information, including press-ready photographs, please contact Josh Ronsen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 512-533-9741. BIOS: Alex Keller Alex Keller is a artist based in Austin, Texas. In his work, which usually uses sound, he explores ideas of narrative, generation/degeneration, and process. Alex¹s pieces can take the form of field recordings, sound design, performance, instrument invention, installation and digital media. Elana Logsdon Elana Logsdon lives in Austin, Texas and creates performance works and good food. She is interested in most human communication situations and loves the act of observation. Josh Ronsen Josh Ronsen has also performed and recorded with Frequency Curtain, the Gates Ensemble, the Austin New Music Co-Op, Jacob Green, David Gross, Joseph Zitt, Steev Hise, Rick Reed, Jeff Filla, Jason Pierce, Carmen Resendez, Erg, ECFA, Prrr, Batrachomyomachia and Pedestrian. Austin New Music Co-Op The Austin New Music Co-op is a community of composers and performers from the Austin area dedicated to increasing awareness and understanding of new music. We create opportunities for performance, education, and composition of adventurous sound. We advocate and present a wide range of innovative and compelling new works and provide a unique environment for collaboration and the free exchange of musical ideas. Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: photos of rapid flux...
http://home.flash.net/~jronsen/fluxus.html ...photos of me doing 27 More or Less Authentic Fluxus Performances in 9 Minutes or Less in 1998. Enjoy, -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxlist Cookbook
What is the status of the Fluxlist Cookbook? How many recipies have been collected? Here is my latest creation: MSG Soup 1 quart water 3 Tbsp MSG (flavor enhancer) Boil water and stir in MSG. Serve warm. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: performance with stones
In December, the Austin New Music Co-Op will present an evening of performances using stones and rocks. Pieces by John Gibson, Christian Wolff, Pauline Oliveros and NMC members will be performed. Outside the performance space, there will be a number of installations using rocks. I am thinking about doing an installation/performance (I will also be performing in the ensemble). My idea is to kneel down by a pile of stones and a sign that reads let he who is without sin cast the first stone. This is a simple idea (although rich in implications), and I am sure it has been done before. But who? When? Where? Any help will be greatly appreciated. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: Scores for Anne
Here is another one, Anne, if you need it: Piano Performance Psychoanalyze a paino -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V4 #201
Tous les gouts sont dans la nature (Presence Panchounette) ALL THE GEESE ARE EATING NATURE. Camille translates this one as All the tastes are in nature... quite a bit different from All the geese are eating nature It seems like Camille is trying to protect those geese. How did she start working for the liberal goose agenda? -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: translated quotes
Ben Vautier just sent me a bunch of quotes related to Fluxus (Im on Ben Vautiers email list!). Some of the quotes are in French, so I will translate them for you here. Some are quite odd and dont make much sense. Maybe Ben typed them in wrong. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Tous les goûts sont dans la nature (Présence Panchounette) ALL THE GEESE ARE EATING NATURE. Les abrutis ne voient le beau que dans les belles choses (Arthur Cravan) THE AIRBRUSH REMOVES PURPLE BRUISES FROM PRETTY WOMEN. Si quelqu'un trouvait quelque chose de vraiment neuf, je recommencerais tout (Erik Satie) SO SOMETHING FELL ON YOUR HEAD, I RECOMMEND IT! (that Satie ) Où apparaît l'art la vie disparaît (Francis Picabia) WHERE ART APPEARS FLIES ARE NOT FAR BEHIND. Tous les grands artistes sont des amateurs (Erik Satie) ALL THE FAT ARTISTS SOUND LIKE BUGLES. Il faudrait arriver à utiliser notre expérience quelle qu'elle soit (John Cage) WE CANNOT USE OUR EXPERIENCE OF SMELLING WOMEN. Si vous voyez chez moi une enseigne avec le mot SILENCE, est-ce que vous allez vous arrêter de parler ? (Georges Brecht) SO YOU WANT ME TO IMAGINE THE WORD SILENCE, BUT CAN YOU STOP ME FROM PEALING [POTATOES]? Jessaie dêtre dépaysé par ce que je suis en train de faire (Eric Satie) I WRITE ESSAYS I DESPISE BECAUSE THEN I CAN AVOID [TAKING] TRAINS Fluxus, c'est celui qui le dit qui l'est (Alain Gibertie) FLUXUS, WE DONT LIKE IT BUT WE EAT IT. Le nouveau toujours le nouveau mais cest vieux comme le monde (Francis Picabia) LUNCH TODAY IS LUNCH BUT WE DONT HAVE ICE CREAM. Si je rate tant pis cest que javais rien dans le ventre (Eric Satie) SO I LIKE TO PISS IN TENTS AND THEN RUN AWAY. Errare humanum, fluare divinum est (Henry Martin) WHEN MANKIND FAILS, THE GODS DRINK. Mai fluxare domani quello che puoi fluxare oggi. (Henry Martin) THIS ISNT FRENCH SO YOU HAVE TO WORK IT OUT YOURSELF. Où apparaît l'art la vie disparaît (Francis Picabia) APPAERENTLY ART ATTRACTS FLIES. L'art est un produit pharmaceutique pour imbéciles (Francis Picabia) ART PRODUCES AGARIAN IDIOTS. Tout art d'avant-garde est plutôt une investigation philosophique, une recherche de vérités qu'une activité purement esthétique (Allan Kaprow) EVERY ART COMES BEFORE PLUM JUICE WHEN PHILOSPHERS INVESTIGATE RAYON TROUSERS THAT HAVE ACTIVE STAINS. Qu'est ce qu'un happening ? Assumer un acte qui s'accomplit dans la vie quotidienne, habituelle, distraitement presque sans s'en apercevoir comme un acte signifiant (Giuseppe Chiari) WHATS HAPPENING? ASSUME THAT YOU ARE ADDICTED TO THE SPEAKERPHONE AND PEOPLE STOP CALLING YOU SO YOU NEVER FIND OUT WHAT IS SIGNIFICANT. Tout Fluxus est une bande d'enfants gâtés (Nam June Paik) EVERY FLUXUS IN ON [8-TRACK] TAPE FOR CHILDREN. Il ny a pas de problème quune ne puisse résoudre (Mon père) YOU WONT RUN OUT OF GAS IF YOU DONT ACT LIKE A PUSSY. La fonction première de mon art me semble être lexpression dune signification maximum pour une image minimum. (George Brecht) I FIRST USE ART TO SCRUB SIGNIFICANT EXPRESSIONS FROM MY MIRROR. Cest beau non pas parce que cela change en beauté mais parce que ça change (John Cage) IT IS GOOD THAT YOU DID NOT BECOME A ROLL OF QUARTERS BECAUSE I NEED TO USE THE [PAY] PHONE. Chaque mot que je dis contribue au mensonge de lart (La Monte Young) CASHING CHECKS IS MY CONTRIBUTION TO ART Que faites-vous ? A quoi pensez vous ? Faites autre chose Pensez à autre chose (Robert Filliou) DID YOU FART? DID YOU HAVE TO DO IT HERE? FART ELSEWHERE IF YOU HAVE TO DO THAT. Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: voice project
For a project, please record a mono .aiff file (44.1kHz, 16-bit) of you saying brekekekexkoaxkoax Email the file to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks in advance, -Josh Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Fluxus mail art
mail art project posted on http://www.mail-art.de THEME: Political / Resistant Mail Art Comment: This is a call for political/resistant mail art, in the tradition of old fluxus stuff. Info: For my project please send me any medium that deal with any technique. Deadline: none Artist: r. Maria Cristina Aguiar / 172-05379-040 - Rio Pequeno / São Paulo - SP / Brazil / -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: sled beef
sled beef shank sled tea days laid masher bar-room nuts bust stern master porn bath giblet fill it half stern but bone is crash blackened fern were her paid days beef bled bunk? -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Alan Bowman mystery
Maybe this isn't a mystery for anybody else, but why does Alan Bowman live in Italy? Neither Alan nor Bowman sound particularly Italian. How/why did he go there? Any theories? Information coming directly from Alan will have to be dismissed as disinformation... -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Boulez Project Business cards
I had 250 business cards printed up for my Pierre Boulez Project (http://home.flash.net/~jronsen/boulez.html). If you want a few to send out, send me your address and they are are yours. Or if you would be so kind to post a few up at your local record store. Or pass out at parties. Or... -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: FluxListBox lateness
It is taking me longer to get my contribution together, but I will be sending something small in. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: more on Ligeti and Fluxus
At the end of the '50s and the beginning of the '60s came the happening movement from America. I was interested in an ambiguous way. I made some happenings--you know my piece for 100 metromonomes?--but I had the feeling I am not a happening person. You know the Fluxus group? I am not belonging there. After a time I had the feeling they take their job too seriously. And I am not serious like people like LaMonte Young and Geroge Brecht or even Cage. I will tell you exactly what is between me and these happening people. They believe that life is art and art is life. I appreciate very much Cage and many people, but my artistic credo is that art--every art--is not life. It is something artificial. And for me all the happenings are too dilletante. You see, I want, if I am the audience, to see a perfect music, or a perfect painting. I don't want to take part in it. I don't want that this fence between the piece and the audience be abolished. I don't want to get involved. It's the fe! ! e ling of distance. I am not saying that my opinion is for everybody. -Ligeti, interview in Music and Musicians, issue #263, v.22, #11, July 1974 Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: more FluxList Box#2 thoughts...
I like the paint can idea, not so much a 1 gal container, I think that is too big, unless we are prepared to fill it. As I wrote previously, a small can, just big enough to fit the CDR into would be great. I like the cigar box idea too, but I think that may be a bit too small, if it is like the cigar boxes I have seen. I am sure there are boxes for Coney Island Footlong Cigars somewhere. Another thing we should discuss: is the theme of Box #2 to be free, i.e. no theme i.e. anything that strikes our fancy? I say yes, but I would be happy to work on a themed project as well. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: not fluxy enough
brad} wrote: hey Josh, saw your Boulez project mentioned in The Wire (!) have you had many responses so far? For info on my Pierre Boulez Project, see http://home.flash.net/~jronsen/boulez.html I am collecting 100 Boulez records, books and scores to destroy them. This is an attempt to align Boulez's work with his repeated calls of all art of the past must be destroyed. So far I have 25 records and books, and I think half of those come from my collection (the site needs to be updated). The web page is also the most comprehensive index of online information in English about composer, conductor and enigma Boulez. I have been collecting public reaction to the project at http://home.flash.net/~jronsen/boulezreactions.html People have called me a Nazi and another has suggested that I get a life. Others question the project as art, but a majority of the reaction has been positive, but by people who do not own any Boulez records. I have emailed about 1000 people, radio stations, and magazines about the project. The Wire mention was great, but I do not think I have gotten any goods from it (yet). On the website, I need to add another Feldman quote about Cornelius Cardew learning guitar to play a Boulez piece (in the early 1960s). Feldman quips: that's like learning Dutch to read Kierkegaard. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST Box #2
I think Feb 8 is way too soon. I need time to think and plan and dream and scheme and plan and throw everything away and start over from stratch. I like the paint can idea with a CDR in it. Altoids box is too small, although perfect for another project, perhaps a project of tiny works of art? There are some wonderful teeny tiny paintings by Max Ernst at the Menil in Houston: paintings the size of postage stamps... As for the left over Fluxlist Box #1, maybe we can sell it to cover the expenses of Box #2. Who is the ebay addict on Fluxlist? -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: fluxy enough?
zoe marsh wrote: How do I know if my work is suitably fluxy? If you show it to a High School art teacher or a specialist in pre-20th Century art and they say that's rubish!... you may be suitably fluxy, or fluxish. If janitors try to sweep your art off the floor, it may be suitably fluxy. If members of the audience ask, in the middle of your performance, when does it begin?, you may be suitably fluxy. If Eric Andersen emails FluxList and states that the real Fluxus artists don't think of you as an artist, then you may be suitably fluxy. But seriously, I don't think anything was rejected from the first Box for not being fluxy enough, and every piece in my box is a fluxish delight. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Study reveals complex Republican culture
Something forwarded to me... Study reveals complex Republican culture by Roberto R. Bentley Remember how the television show The Waltons used to end each evening: Good night, John Boy. Good night, Mary Ellen. Good night, Grandpa. In Republican culture, there's a little less formal way to say good night: Ppppt. It's the spluttering raspberry sound that normal humans use in jest or sarcasm. Researchers say this vocalization, plus more than two dozen other signals and skills observed in wild Republicans, provide evidence that these great politicians show cultural variations. Their culture, described as geographically distinct behaviors, comes from observing and mimicking their peers. It goes above and beyond what's instinctive, and what they learn from their fathers. So who do young Republicans look to for role models in gaining this playful and productive know-how? Those who have the money-raising skills are the coolest, said Carol van Schaik, professor of political anthropology at Duke University in Durham, North Carolina. Her research is published in this week's Political Science magazine. Many of the skills involved access to power, prestige and monetary wealth. Van Schaik and colleagues studied six different wild Republican populations on the East Coast. While the socially transmitted behaviors were often similar, there were geographic variations. That, say researchers, shows that distinct great conservative cultures exist, and may have been around for at least 140 years. We used to think culture was something specific just to intellectuals and baby boomers, going back just sixty or seventy years, she said. Baby Boomer culture was first documented in the 1980s. For example, a kiss squeak is a common Republican signal. It is just like it sounds, the same exaggerated kiss sound a person might make to a child or in jest to a loved one. Van Schaik said the kiss squeak is used by Republicans when there is something near them that they like, such as a portfolio of stock options from a corporation receiving billions in government aid or perhaps a political opponent who is willing to cave in to empty patriotic rhetoric. What we didn't know was how this signal varied, said Cheryl Knomf of Harvard University, co-author of the study. For example, at the site of Raleigh, North Carolina, Republicans almost always grab a handful of money and produce the sound by kissing into the bills. At other sites they may use their fist, a flat ass, or nothing at all to amplify the sound. We had no idea of this fascinating variety, she said. Sometimes it's even more elaborate, van Schaik said. Some Republicans would pull off a bunch of bills from a money clip, fling their arms in a theatrical gesture, toss the money and let it rain down to draw as much attention to themselves as possible. That way they made their campaign donors even more aware how much they appreciated contributions, said van Schaik. Yet these practices were never observed in Vermont. The practices common in one group and absent in another are of great interest to researchers. Scientists also discovered that the same gestures sometimes had different meanings in different conservative populations. Tearing a dollar bill along the mid-rib makes a nice shearing sound, van Schaik said. In one group, that action means I'm ready to mate, while in another it means I'm ready to sell out my political beliefs. An important distinction in any species culture! While some of the behaviors are playful, others are critical to survival. Natural selection has favored the ability to have culture, because many of these actions have to do with skills, said van Schaik. For example, animals that don't use tools may not have access to the best food. Therefore, the culture of copying animals with an inventive spark isn't just for copying sake. The animal learns there's often a payoff as well: a long stick can relieve a hard- to- reach itch; a curled leaf can reach water in an out of the way place. From the day they are born, Republicans will suck up lucrative political favors from anyone who comes close, said van Schaik. Youngsters spend seven or eight years in close relationships with their fathers, then another four or five associating more with juvenile peers and other conservatives before they are sexually mature adults. So how do Republican cultures differ from humans? Human culture is cumulative; great conservative culture is not. Knowledge and behavior are not passed on from one generation to the next. Knowing how large deficit spending almost destroyed this country in the 1980s, you wouldnt think Republicans would destroy efforts to maintain a budget surplus to pay off the debt now, said van Schaik. I would not be so quick to make those same mistakes now, she said, especially not by spending billions on a stupid idea like a Star Wars missile defense shield. Need a new
FLUXLIST: Re: 0'00
Roger Stevens writes: so you could perform both of the Cage pieces at the same time. That would be interesting. And the 0'00 piece could actually last for 4'33 The two pieces could be performed at the same time, but Cage did not want the performance of 0'00 to be the performance of another score. It had to be a discliplined action fulfilling an obgligation to another. The first performance, by Cage, was writing the score as a gift for Yoko Ono and Toshi Ichiyanagi. Cage has also performed this piece by typing letters that needed to be answered. When I have performed this, I wrote a thank you note to a member of the audience (for showing up) and wrote a letter to a friend in Chicago. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: More ideas about the box
I went to the Container Store last night. I don't like the idea of the store, a place to buy stuff to put your stuff in: I am totally a stuff qua stuff kind of guy myself. Some items I saw there that could be useful to us: a) Plastic bags: 9 x 12 plastic, ziploc: about $0.23 each b) Clear plastic jars: about 8 high, square base, with 6 diameter round top with plastic lid: $1 each (plastic is somewhat thin, you could squeeze the jar with your hand) c) tape cassette case made of translucent mylar-like plastic, with metal holder for a label in front: $7 d) display case for a softball made from clear plastic, case only opens by pulling apart the correct two sides (each side is U-shaped that fits together seamlessly): $5 (I do not know if a CDR will fit in here) e) an 8 clear plastic globe that comes apart in two halves: $2.50 marked down to $1.25 (I do not know if I could get 50 or 100 of these). I think the globe would be interesting. Each half has a part to tie a string to to hang the globe. I am sure we could get any of these items cheaper from an online source. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: More ideas about the box
A paint can? http://www.containerstore.com/browse/Product.jhtml?PRODID=62625CATID=262 We would have to get a round case for the CDR, at least for the 16oz can. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: new subscription rules
brad brace wrote: I think that karei should assume the role of list-administrator. I think we each should spend a day as list administrator. We can then each kick off, or invite (or neither) whomever we wanted. Things would even out at the end, unless the last administrator is a nihilist and kicks everyone off and disbands the list. Who here is a nihilist? -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: more Ligeti stories
A concurrent preoccupation was a strong influence of Duchampian dadaism. His 000, a satire of John Cage, has been described as the briefest composition ever written, and Cage is said to have been deeply offended; The Future of Music (1961) is scored for a mute speaker in front of an audience. But the most celebrated piece in this vein, the Poème symphonique of 1962, for 100 metronomes, is both a provocation and a peculiarly plastic expression of machinery gone awry, an idea incorporated compositionally in several works to memorable effect, the most famous example being the Meccanico movement of the Chamber Concerto, written some nine years later. -from http://www.sospeso.com/contents/composers_artists/ligeti.html The premiere [of Poeme symphonique] in Holland in l963 caused a great scandal. -from http://www.binaural.com/binnews2.html According to the Sony web page, Ligeti worked at the West German Radio electronic studio from 1957 to 1959, which makes sense as his two electronic works date from this time. Paik was there from 1958 to 1963. There doesn't seem to be much info online about the interestion of these two artists. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST Box #2
Owen writes: I am willing to organize again, although I am also more than willing to pass the mantel on if someone else wants to take on the role of organizer for the project, Josh? From my point of view, the first Box went so well that I think you SHOULD do it. However, I am willing to do it. So far after a day or so, 16 people have expressed interest in the project. If we go ahead with this, the box must be chosen. Any ideas? My wife suggests I go to The Container Store (yes, the U.S. has a chain of stores that specializes in stuff to put other stuff in...) and see if anything looks promising. I will also see what we have laying around the junk closets at school. There are some interesting boxes here, but not enough for this project. I think a CDR would be a great inclusion. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: 0'00
What is Ligeti's 0'00 ? I assume it is a joke of Ligeti on Cage's 4'33 and not related to Cage's 0'00 from 1962 (subtitled 4'33 No. 2). For all his pride in the piece, Cage maintained that his sole intervention was to alert listeners to ambient noise. His was a clear and humble statement of creative disownership. He raised no objection when younger composers built upon his breakthrough in 4'33 - notably when the German-based Hungarian Gyorgy Ligeti issued a concise version titled 0'00. -from http://www.naxos.com/newDesign/fopinions.files/bopinions.files/opinions133.htm Although I do not take the above quote to be proof of anything w/o a precise citation. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: 0'00
Roger STEVENS writes: - - or if you followed 4'33 with Ligeti's 0'00 rather than Cage's. How would you be able to tell the difference? I have not found out what the score/instructions for Ligeti's piece are. The stage setup could be quite elaborate, although brief. On Cage's 0'00: The title isn't the length of the piece, but rather the (Zen) instant of now that occurs when the performer undertakes his disciplined action. One could say the performer of 4'33 has a disciplined action, but this action, if you think about it, is paying attention to the passage of time, counting off the 3 movements of the piece. In 0'00 does not constrain the performer in such a way. The performer's (complete) attention is on the task, which unfolds however it unfolds and not due to the score. 0'00 is also interesting as it does not even specify the action, just the dynamic environment (maximun amplification). It was composed (and first performed) on October 24, 1962. I generally hate the who did something first game, but what Fluxus/pre-Fluxus event scores before this did not specify a particular action? It would become a common practice later (i.e. performance with Mr. T. from 1964 (I assume)). -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: FLUXLIST BOX #2?
Friends, Is it not time to start thinking of a second FluxList Box? I treasure the first one and I love showing it to visitors. While recently thinking of the Fluxus for Dummies book that will never get finished, I thought that a FluxList box is a project I could tend to completion. Who is in it with me? Should we have the same parameters as last time? I have not began to look for boxes. I would prefer that the theme of the box be kept free (i.e. open to any interpretation), but I would like to suggest two titles: a) Box #2: FluxList for Dummies b) FluxList Box for Peace However, everything is open for debate. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: ken friedman on the list...
Ken Friedman is an informative, helpful writer and a wonderful correspondant and I feel honored to have been in contact with him. And even when I disagree with his views, I do so with respect. The amount of informative substance on Fluxlist has dramatically dropped since he left. I have collected many of his essays that he has posted on this list (and elsewhere on the net) into a little booklet Ken Friedman on Fluxus which exists in a very limited edition of 1 (if you're ever in Texas, stop by and borrow it!). Maybe before the end of the year I will make a list of links to his essays for those who did not see them when first posted. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: listen
So what does everyone on this list listen to? I am still very much interested in the modernist/avant-garde composers Ligeti, Xenakis, Nono, Scelsi, Stockhausen, and Cage and Feldman whose works exist on another level. Ligeti continually surprises me. I just listened to the recent Sony CD of his keyboard works: a new recording of his organ work Harmonies in which Ligeti himself lays his body on the organ bellows, and moving his body, produces a weird, unearthly sound morphology, as if the organ tones are fading in and out of reality. In previous versions of this work, power to the bellows was turned off and on to produce strange effects, but Ligeti's body manipulation takes these effects to the extreme. I have not yet heard Ligeti's symphonic poem for 100 metronomes, which was listed in an early Fluxus publication. I do not know the story of its creation or how it was included in the Fluxus publication. Anybody know the story? (here is a photo of a 1989 performance: http://www.schott-cms.com/nocache/gyl/cds/) Here is a photo of Boulez touching his chin while he looks at Ligeti: http://www.schott-cms.com/nocache/gyl/fotos/6,b38de0d8f95.html Here is an mp3 file of the carhorn prelude from his anti-anti-opera Le Grande Macbre: http://www.schott-cms.com/12publish/cms/resources/gyl/6179d1c8360.mp3 The 2 versions I have heard previously have used electric horns: this version is seemingly done with old-fashioned horns. Other sampes can be found here: http://www.schott-cms.com/nocache/gyl/special/ton/ -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: spirit of Fluxus
Don Boyd writes: The Spirit of Fluxus, as I understood it, what attracted me to it, was the expansiveness, the willingness to support others and their ideas, in fact forgiveness and inclusiveness. I don't see that in these recent exchanges. I've always been attracted to the darker side of Fluxus history, the expulsions, arguments, excommunications, the protest of Stockhausen by Henry Flynt and Tony Conrad (and Conrad's more recent protest of a LaMonte Young concert). If art is beautiful, must anti-art be ugly? But your point is taken, Don, and I hereby forgive those people on Fluxlist who recently were not talking to me... -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: ken friedman on the list...
Carol Starr wrote: josh i agree with you about ken friedman and still feel it is a great loss that he left the list. i too have a collection of the essays he posted on the list. so perhaps there are two limited editions, i wonder if they are the same? Mine has a little photo of him about to toss a watermellon. Yours? -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXUS FOR DUMMIES
Don Boyd writes: Josh, How about an old snail mail address? I was just kidding about working on Fluxus for Dummies book, but it would make a welcome addition to the more absurd titles in that series, like Judism for Dummies and Doctorial Studies in High Energy Physics for Dummies. OK, the latter isn't real, but the other one is. A Fluxus for Dummies book would be good. For years I thought of taking a book on children's games written in the 1950s and modifying the text. The result could be very close to Fluxus for Dummies. There are a number of these books at my local library, but when I flip through them, I don't get any interesting ideas on how to procede. Don, if you send me anything, I still have some Yoko Ono event scores printed on small pieces of paper I could send in return. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V3 #348
Rod Stasick writes: Crispin Webb leaves the 10,000th Fluxlist post! Maybe someone should repost the very first Fluxlist post in celebration. Rod, are you currently in Texas? -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: not talking to you either
OK, specifically who is not talking to me? I have lost track. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: easy reading materials
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dont you all think that most of the fluxus books are boring reading? Too much listing etc. are there any fluxus books a slow reader would enjoy? I am working on a FLUXUS FOR DUMMIES book. Lots of pictures and diagrams, no big words, few names (and none of the difficult to pronounce ones), easy-to-follow instructions (think of dance steps with the black and white footprints)... Feel free to submit a chapter or sidebar. I've still got about 200 pages to go. It would be great to get some material written by people who know very little about Fluxus (the ol' blind leading the blind effect). -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: ACME Observatory presented a concert of early FLUXUS works
See http://www.4-33.com/ for details. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: event score trade
When I saw the Yes Yoko Ono exhibit in Houston last (?) year, I walked away with many of her event scores printed on 2 inch square pieces of paper (I didn't steal them, they were there to be taken by the audience). I will mail you one of these scores, many written in 1961, if you mail me an event score of your own for me to perform at some future date. Here are some considerations: I don't eat pork, I don't take off my clothes in public and I generally avoid rolling around in bodily fluids. -Josh Ronsen 2001 Brentwood Austin Texas 78757 USA Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Mieko Shiomi
http://www.anomalousrecords.com has the following two items for sale in their latest catalog update: * Mieko ShiomiFluxus Suite (Musical Dictionary of 80 People around Fluxus) CD $18.99 the first CD by Japanese Fluxus member and founder of Group Ongaku. to celebrate the 40th anniversary of Fluxus, she has composed eighty short musical pieces for eighty Fluxus friends (from Dietrich Albrecht to Marian Zazeela). the pieces are performed solo on the synthesizer, and in some cases have amusing nods the person's style of work. for example, the piece dedicated to George Brecht uses sounds that resemble dripping water; the one dedicated to Philip Corner sounds like one of his piano pieces. ? Records Germany ?10 Mieko ShiomiShadow Event No. Ybooklet $9.99 30th booklet, 1993. 48 pages with text and a silk-screen on transparent folio and a cardboard cover, offset-print. Edition of 500 copies, 15 x 11 cm. a very Fluxus piece as it is a set of instructions of things to do to a shadow you would make by projecting light through the clear plastic insert with only the word SHADOW stenciled on it. Edition Hundertmark Germany 30. Heft Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: interviews with Knowles
Besides Fluxus: a Conceptual Country and M/E/A/N/I/N/G, where may I find interviews with Alison Knowles? -Josh Ronsen Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: badgergal
Carol Starr writes: very interesting alice because i refer to myself as a woman. with so many texans around 'girl' sounds derogatory. What?! Texans use the word gal. Or ma'am. Or filly if she is particularly cute. At least some Texans do. But then Texas ain't the place it used to be. They let me in here... After the expulsions, what will be the first order of business for the anti-Fluxus group? Do we need an anti-FLUXLIST? I think we do with a complicated scheme to determine who can post to Fluxlist and the anti-Fluxlist at any given time, depending on phases of moon, sunspot count and/or mold count in Peoria. -Josh Ronsen reporting from Austin, Texas Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: nonsense, in German
Wir Klumpen es aller zusammen und hoffen es ausfallen, mit Federn und Flaum und Losen anderen Materials, der Kissen und der Weiden und des kleinen geschmackvollen schrei, hdlt es nicht zusammen, aber eine was f|r Tduschung! -Josh Ronsen Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: 50/50
50/50: great idea! Sign me up! Maybe I'll send in 50 pages of ! -Josh Ronsen in Texas Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: everyone a winner?
WINE DRINKING PERFORMANCE (or punch, coffee, pop, whatever) 1 Select unknowing person to time. 2 Punch stopwatch when they start drinking, sipping, etc. 3 Punch watch when they finish 4 Time at least three people 5. Award prize to slowest and fastest! - -Don Boyd, April 11, 2002 Why 3 people? Why not make it for two people so that everyone is a winner? Also give an award to clock puncher. -Josh Ronsen in Texas Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: chronic reflux
I'd like to have one of these... -Josh Ronsen Willem De Ridder Paper Fluxwork New York, NY: ReFlux Editions. 1990 Synopsis: A series of 14 cards printed with complicated instructions to help you construct impossible paper works. After you've cut here, folded there, and glued here, you eventually come across a card which reads: don't perform this event. Oops. Transparent plastic box from original Fluxus source, containing 14 vintage printed cards. Vintage Maciunas-designed label. Category: Multiple Dimensions (Height x Width x Depth): 9.3 x 12 x 16 cm. Process: offset-printed Color: black-and-white Edition unlimited Signed: Unsigned and Unnumbered Price Info: $100.00 Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: 52 events
What, pray tell, is Anarcho-dandyist Art? Is a special hat needed? Or is this a term that makes sense in England, but not in America? No this term doesn't make sense in England but then again the review is from a Scottish newspaper. So it may be a term in use in Scotland but I doubt it...I think its invented for the article...it's a good word though and bereft of any meaning at all I'd imagine since anarchism and the socio-political ideas of the dandy are mutually exclusive. See, I think I am missing something. In America, a dandy is a nicely-dressed effeminate man, although I think use of that term went out decades ago. Do these people have socio-political ideas in England? Some special hats for your consideration: http://www.chapellerie-traclet.com/images/chapmelon.gif http://www.chapellerie-traclet.com/images/chapeauclaque.gif http://users.rcn.com/xmel2/joel/joel6-12.html http://www.babybeehats.com/duck.jpg http://www.babybeehats.com/prairie_bonnet.jpg http://www.milliner.co.uk/images/thm_ssl.jpg http://www.australiagift.com/golf_shop/hat.htm http://woodwool.tripod.com/images/Strawberrybg.JPG http://www.mikethehatter.com/img/leopard.jpg http://www.mikethehatter.com/img/7012.jpg http://www.yarranet.net.au/phill/images/hat/hat_06_lil_me.jpg -Josh Ronsen, not nicely-dressed, not effeminate, not wearing a hat Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: 52 events
Fluxus, whose membership famously included Yoko Ono, can be seen in retrospect as one of the key postwar art movements; a continuation of Surrealism and Dadaism, and the launching pad for Conceptual, Installation and Anarcho-dandyist Art. What, pray tell, is Anarcho-dandyist Art? Is a special hat needed? Or is this a term that makes sense in England, but not in America? -Josh Ronsen in America Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Welcome piece
Welcome for Joseph Zitt: Give everyone a word. [to be performed during Joseph Zitt's performance in Austin later this month] -Josh Ronsen brekekekexkoaxkoax Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Super-Uber-Fluxus
Super-Uber-Fluxus? -Josh Ronsen Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Uber-Fluxus
Uber-Fluxus? -Josh Ronsen Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: lost souls
Patricia writes: The Lost Soul Companion Project Mail Art Show The Lost Soul Companion Project offers comfort and constructive advice for black sheep, square pegs, struggling artists, and other free spirits. A while back someone posted to Fluxlist (I won't mention who: no need for further embarassment) that he had lost his soul. Although the soul was presumably lost in Europe, I happened to spot it here in Texas and I sent him a photo of it. Actually, I don't remember what I sent, but I sent something because I just found a nice reply from him thanking me for having spotted the missing soul. Was this soul ever found? Perhaps the person missing it could give us an update. -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Fluxwar
Not including Yoko Ono's highly visable actions, what were Fluxus responses to the Vietnam War? -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Re: mail art/anthrax scare
Patricia wrote: I doubt that mail art will ever be quite the same after this. For me, most especially, the recycling (i.e., taping, etc.) of envelopes. For others, the mailing of the odd object and the documentation thereof. I have been concerned about this and have been not sending out some projects, which might be silly. I am sure most mail artists are used to getting weird post from strangers. I am starting a project for mail artists in Texas called Texas Association for Concerned Mail Artists (TACMA). I am not sure what we are concerned about, but I started thinking about this project and group name about a year ago, so it is not meant to be about Recent Concerns, or any particular concerns. I really just needed an extra letter for the acronym because there is already a TAMA out there. So if you are a mail artist in Texas (and I probably already know who you are), send me your address to recieve instructions to join. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: RE: subtitled
jason pierce writes: the Twelve Fate Game is now subtitled in mandarin http://www.onyxmirr.org/Game.html I have made a movie version of the Twelve Fates, which was to have been premiered at the Intersect 4 festival in Austin last month, but technical difficulties kept the digital film on my hard drive and not on VHS tape. Maybe someday it will be available by CDROM or online somewhere. It is a fun game to play, especially if you need a game to take your mind off the events of today... -Josh Ronsen ps: I saw the Yoko Ono retrospecive in Houston this weekend. I'll send a write-up soon. --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: RE: FLUXLIST-digest V1 #810
FLUXLIST-digest Thursday, August 30 2001 Volume 01 : Number 810 Dear Fluxlist Administrators and Administrative Staff, Last night I recieved Fluxlist Digest #810 of volume 1. What a large number! Could we start volume 2 before the number gets any higher? In fact, could we just skip volume 2 and go directly to volume 3? Thank you for your time, A concerned Fluxlist member, -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: RE: the robbery
Brad Brace wrote: Please describe the stolen shoes. /:b Now that's Fluxus! Bibiana, I think you should do a bit of research into voodoo (?)curses and stick needles into left-behind sandals. Maybe if the curse works he will return your stuff and apologize. -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: RE: slight wear at spine
That reminds me: I have a handful of found items collected by Seth Tisue (http://tisue.net) from Chicago. Since Seth is not an artist (as far as I know), the value of these objects can only go up Up UP! A HANDFUL OF FOUND ITEMS (1999-2000) Seth Tisue 1 handful $400 Payment by U.S. cash only. I will provide a certificate of authenticity and an attractive storage envelope free of charge. Please reserve by email before sending payment. -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: listowners/email
Eric Andersen wrote: Listowners not respected should step down. Last time I checked, I respected the Fluxlist listowners, including Sol and Judith. Now note Fluxlisters: when I replied to Eric's message, I just quoted the small part that was relevant to the discussion. I deleted the page of previous emails that have been clogging up the last few digests. -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: The artification of Ono's anti-art
Eryk Salvaggio wrote: At one point, there was the Yoko Ono Nail piece, with the hammers and a bucket of nails, which confused a seven year old girl to no end. She couldn't understand why the nails and hammers were out in the open if people weren't allowed to put nails into the canvas, on account of all of the enormous Do Not Touch The Art signs. It was pretty great, and probably the best critique of Yoko Ono's work I'd heard. The big Yoko Ono exhibit YES YOKO ONO is now showing at the Houston Contemporary Museum of Art, which I am somewhat excited to see. What I am not excited to see is how the pieces from the 60's have turned from interesting pieces of art into do-not-touch museum commodity objects. For example, I called the museum yesterday and asked if one could climb the ladder in Celing Piece. No, of course not, was the answer. It is a sad day when anti-art turns into art... Maybe when I go I can make my own mini version of the piece. One would climb a step-stool that had a pole attached to it. Hanging from the pole would be a string holding a magnifying glass and a little piece of paper that says NO. -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: Boulez, Andersen and democracy
Eric Andersen writes: And rotate list owners. For the next 6 months let's appoint brad brace. Bukoff and the rest to step down. I just finished reading Rationalizing Culture, a sociological look at the French IRCAM music research center. During 1984, one of the departments decided that they were not going to have a department head, but rather decide all important decisions through democratic means. After an hour of discussion, Pierre Boulez, then director of IRCAM, stated that he was appointing a department head and the rest of the department could now vote to accept his decision. I got the impression that it was a 1 choice vote... Thankfully, Eric Andersen is not director of Fluxlist. -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: RE: call for papers on Fluxus
Owen Smith asks for a call for papers on Fluxus Here it is: PAPERS FLUXUS -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: RE: exerpt from Poisoned Jerusalum
jason pierce wrote: He who has suffer'd you to impose on him, knows you. [diary of a peach] etc This would make a great piece for performance, with one voice (I imagine a deep manly voice) reading the first part, and another voice (I imagine a chirpy female voice) interuppting with the other. -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: RE: Stopwords
Heiko Recktenwald wrote: a above according across actually adj after etc 10 long years ago, I decided I was going to write poetry by cutting up words from two other poems (a long Sylvia Plath poem and Cage's Where Are We Going? What Are We Doing?) and combining them. I spent a week, cutting all the words onto little bits of paper. First I sorted all the words by length in a LISP computer program I had written, which sorted them alphabetically by word length (to conserve paper). My initial experiments in making poetry were awful. I'd grab a handful of words and put them on the table and try to arrange them into something meaningful. Producing not much worth reading. The poetry made by my LISP program TUNC (a reference to the poetic supercomputer of the Lawrence Durrell novel of the same name), was much better. Anyway, so now I have a few small boxes full of words. Sometimes when I have people over to my house in my workroom, I will grab a box and announce Everybody grab a word! and I make them take the word with them. Maybe in 20 years I will have gotten rid of all the words. Unless, someone on Fluxlist wants a envelope with a few words... -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: RE: anti-art
Ann Klefstad writes ...most of the world is anti-art. The world mostly dislikes and distrusts most artmaking and would like it to go away. It depends how you define art. Do you think Madonna's music is art? Or the latest Hollywood blockbuster? If these things, clearly supported by millions (in Western culture) aren't art, why aren't they? Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread, many interesting points have been made. In the next few days I will try to compile the main points of what everyone has contributed. I don't know if I understand things any better, but I have a lot more thoughts to digest from people whose thoughts I would want to digest... -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: Eat yr Art Out documentation
I just got a nice flyer for the Eat Your Art Out mail art exhibit at the Cafe Prov in London. This was organized by Martha Aitchison, Julia Tant, Alan Turner and Patricia Collins. A few of the many participants are Fluxlisters: David Chirot, John M. Bennett, Josh Ransen (who's that?), and Melissa McCarthy (from her Box Upon Wan address). Now, the only problem is that I have no recollection of what I submitted to this project. The exhibition will be up, according to the documentation, until October. Would someone in England be willing to go to 16a Coldharbour Lane in London and see what I sent them? Here are 2 new projects from the same people: APPLES! on a postcard (with no envelope) for the next show at the Cafe Prov. Deadline End October 2001 EX-LIBRIS Design a book plate media a size free for yourself or a celebrity, for your book collection or an imaginary library, for a book of your own choice or a book of your own invention. The book plates will be displayed in a library in London and documentation sent to all. Deadline End December 2001 Send to The Shopping Trolley Gallery PO Box 108 Beckenham BR3 1GY UK -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: RE: FLUXLIST-digest V1 #739
The problem with me thinking about this subject is that I do not have a good definition of art. As someone trained as a scientist, I need a good definition or axiom to begin. So: Art is the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects -http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary Thus: Anti-art is the unconscious use of chance and unorigional matter-of-factness found sometimes in the gathering of banal raw material. OK. -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: RE: ant-art
kulturkampf! Situationist, Post-Situ, Anti-Art Articles can be found at http://www.subsitu.com/kr/situ.htm This collection included articles by Guy Debord, Hakim Bay and Bob Black. Who has time to read these for me? -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: RE: anti-art
ANTI-ART: In the visual arts, work that is exhibited in a conventional context but makes fun of serious art or challenges the nature of art; it is characteristic of Dada. Marcel Duchamp is credited with introducing the term around 1914, and its spirit is summed up in his attempt to exhibit a urinal (Fountain 1917). The term is also used to describe other intentionally provocative art forms, for example, nonsense poetry. -From The Hutchinson Family Encyclopedia, http://ebooks.whsmithonline.co.uk/encyclopedia/34/M0040434.htm -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: The last word in anti-art
art ha ha. -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: RE: anti-art, meaning, quote, dolls, erosion-worn rock, etc.
Ann Klefstad steps up to the mic and says: You know, the writer you quote wasn't saying that art is the only thing that has meaning; she was essentially saying that the meaning of art-intended gestures is inflected by their relationship to the art-meaning realm. My question was worded poorly. She wrote: it is a truism that in order to be meaningful it must, by definition, ultimately be classifiable as art by an audience But surely art can have meaning for someone if it is not seen as art. It just wont be written about in Artforum or Time magazines. It seems to me that she was placing certain kinds of art at a privileged position to other kinds of art, maybe kinds of art that she wouldnt even consider to be art. Maybe this was just a slip of the tongue on her part, as the book as a whole deals with publicly subsidized avant-garde art (particularly the French IRCAM music center). There is something fishy about the idea that an artist puts meaning into a work which is then extracted by a viewer. I would say that in most cases meaning is put in, and then in most cases meaning is taken out, but then there doesnt have to be any correlation between the two. Maybe the anti-art I am interested in is whatever cannot be viewed as art. Meaning is always dependent on the mutually agreed upon context in which a communication is made. If one person intends the communication to be made and understood in one context, and the other person doesn't know this or disagrees, then confusion results. But there are many cases where there is no mutually dependent context, and many more where that context is generated by someone other than the artist. Consider prehistorical rock art or cave paintings. We can speculate what they were trying to do, but we dont know. We can surely appreciate what they did without knowing what meaning they had put into it. I like thinking about situations where the intended will or meaning of the artist is completely unknown. Like getting a strange package in the mail full of painted leaves with no return address or note. Or, someone just told me about this (but I forget the exact details), walking in the forest off trail and finding a huge pile of childrens dolls and used ammo clips, or something equally strange. Or maybe finding some strangely smooth rock in the wilderness: is it just a rock, or was it at sometime a created piece of art with profound mystical meaning for its maker? Perhaps all of this is confusion as you say. I think that word has certain unwholesome connotations that maybe you dont intend. Do I sound like a post-structuralist yet? Release some act into the realm of communication, and it ceases to be only yours, it becomes public property, and many others will have their way with it. Maybe we are saying the same thing. But I am interested in the idea of things intended to be art and not seen as such, and things that arent intended to be art but are seen as such. Please respond Ann! You write interesting things and I only disagree with you to make you write more! -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: RE: Jason Pierce = Bully
Mick Boyle asks: I don't think anyone likes a bully. I like Jason Pierce, except for when he is right and I am wrong, and when he refuses to look for a tape that we recorded in Chicago 6 years ago. A really really bad noise tape? It wasn't that bad, I assure you. -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: RE: while i'm at it
jason pierce writes: i agree with everything josh says or will say on the issue of anti art. I disagree with everything Jason says or will say on the issue of anti-art, including the above statement. I think Jason is making fun of me b/c I haven't (yet/recently) made any statements on the issue, just asking questions about what people think. About Born's comment about something has to be art to be meaningful... I really like thinking about the limits of art, or the perceptions of art. Perhaps before talking about anti-art, I should have asked what is art? Suppose I had an event score Give $10 to a homeless person. I do this. Does the homeless person think it is art? Probably not. Is it meaningful? Probably so. Suppose I have an event score Send a nasty letter to someone you don't know. I do this. the person reads the letter. Does he think it is art? Probably not. Does he find it meaningful? Probably so. This afternoon I spent hours going through boxes of tapes from hundreds or people around the world, really really bad noise music tapes, much of them existing seemingly for the sole purpose of using the word shit in the title. I am sure all of this was intended to be art. I view it as such. Did I find it meaningful? No I did not. Someone comes up to you and gives you a flower. Is it art? Is it meaningful? -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: RE: Questions (anti-art)
A day after I posted my question, I came across the following passage in Rationalizing Culture: IRCAM, Boulez and the Institutionalization of the Musical Avant-Garde by Georgina Born: However much an avant-garde attempts to produce work that is unclassifiable, shockingly different, it is a truism that in order to be meaningful [sic!] it must, by definition, ultimately be classifiable as art by an audience; or it may be understood as the negation of art -- the reaction that the avant-garde typically sets out to provoke in the Philistine audience. The latter against art classification appears, historically, to be particularly permeable, so that by the intervention of critics, against art comes eventually to be undersood as part of art. There remains some avant-garde art that is unacceptable to all but small and knowing audience. But as long as anti- or avant-garde art is recognized as legitimately part of art by the dominant institutional apparatuses, it is granted the status of art and becomes a negational statement within the field of art: a powerful agrument for the ontological priority of the institutional over the aesthetic. So there. But what can she mean by meaning can only be found in art? -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: RE: poetry overload
Carol Starr writes: who are these sneaky people complaining off list. i enjoy john's peotry very much and i have been under the inpression that that fluxlist is about freedom of expression in the arts. And certainly this freedom includes complaining about poetry overload. But I'm not a complainer, I'm an aeroplaner. aeroplaner clop stand oh the piner blate Custer butter macking is our blipless month gloomed bike shone 'm gabbled hen slow bake, small fat wigging. u-blank-turn, root precession, stable paddywack w/o fought gease (shuttle all da diner mages) -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: Re: fluxlistbox
hey. hey, hey it did arrived my flulistbox! i cant' belive thanks sol pez - After all this time There is an article in the most recent (?) issue of Umbrella about a postcard that took 112 years to go from Scotland to Australia. I guess we can consider ourselves lucky... -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
FLUXLIST: RE: Invitation to join the Axolotl-Sounds group
You've been invited to join the Axolotl-Sounds group, Just how many sounds can an Axolotl make? On a related note: there was a brief article on the Scientific American website about a recent discovery on how lobsters make noise, which will be welcome news to anyone that knew that lobsters could make noise. The link is: http://www.sciam.com/news/051001/3.html which contains a link to a video interview with the lobster scientist and her bruitish friends. -Josh Ronsen http://www.nd.org/jronsen --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/
