Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-19 Thread Chris Bowditch

On 18/07/2012 15:24, Clay Leeds wrote:

Hi Clay,

OT, but I've made some progress on the CMS. I now have dynamic content working 
(separate header and sidenav for FOP, Batik  XGC).


Thanks for the update. That is good news.

Chris



More relevant comments below...

On Jul 18, 2012, at 5:17 AM, Vincent Hennebert vhenneb...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi Alexios,

thanks for you input.

On 18/07/12 01:05, Alexios Giotis wrote:

Hi Vincent,

On Jul 17, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Vincent Hennebert wrote:

It improves documentation. For example, I frequently execute svn annotate, 
read the usually brief commit message and then refer to the bug for more info (and 
context in my case). I don't like the fact that I have to rely to another system, but it 
helps, especially for old change sets.

Well, the problem is probably not the lack of a BTS here, it’s probably
the commit message that shouldn’t be that short. And a longer
description should be in status.xml anyway. Also, I find the list of
comments that usually appears in Bugzilla entries confusing more than
anything else. You have to wander through the comments to understand
what is going on.

Perhaps, if something significant changes, the OP or someone for a bug can 
update the description (e. g., w 'UPDATE:') where they pick out the meat of a 
discussion and stik it in the Description field.


That said, if a bug affects the rendering part of FOP which is not
really unit-testable at the moment, the commit is unlikely to contain
any test, so it helps to be able to retrieve an example output on
Bugzilla. And I suppose that for the sake of consistency, the same
should be done for layout bugs.

I would expect an example attachment of PDFs or Afp, Ps, etc. for layout bugs.


Also, I’m just remembering that we will at some point switch to the
Apache CMS to generate the website and that the status.xml logic may not
be ported there. That’s probably the biggest factor that would push me
to switch to Bugzilla actually.

My hope is that the BTS system can output a file for us. I understand that HTML 
files can be inserted, unchanged by the CMS. I plan on something like this for 
Compliance.html.


snip/

Clay






Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-19 Thread Chris Bowditch

On 18/07/2012 14:06, mehdi houshmand wrote:

Hi Mehdi,

As we've seen this morning, my ineptitude at even basic bureaucracy 
doesn't really qualify me to show a bias to either side, but I'll give 
my 2 cents worth since I am a stakeholder in this debate:


On 18 July 2012 13:17, Vincent Hennebert vhenneb...@gmail.com 
mailto:vhenneb...@gmail.com wrote:


snip/
Well, the problem is probably not the lack of a BTS here, it’s
probably
the commit message that shouldn’t be that short. And a longer
description should be in status.xml anyway. Also, I find the list of
comments that usually appears in Bugzilla entries confusing more than
anything else. You have to wander through the comments to understand
what is going on.


Surely having lots of comments is a good thing? It means there's been 
a discussion about the issue and possibly some conclusion has been 
come to as to how to solve the problem. Even if the comments don't 
arrive at a conclusion, then surely having the discussion would better 
document nuances surrounding any particular issue?


+1. I totally agree and that's one of the key benefits of using BTS over 
status.xml.




The only time this can become confusing is if there are disparities in 
the flow of the conversation between bugzilla comments and mailing 
list posts. This doesn't happen very often so I don't really see this 
as a consideration we should be trying to mitigate.


Yes I agree that is the exception rather than the rule.


That said, if a bug affects the rendering part of FOP which is not
really unit-testable at the moment, the commit is unlikely to contain
any test, so it helps to be able to retrieve an example output on
Bugzilla. And I suppose that for the sake of consistency, the same
should be done for layout bugs.


Agreed! I think whatever we decide, we must be consistent if only to 
prevent confusion. It's easier following one rule for all than it is 
remember and adhering to caveats.


Since everyone seems to be in favour of switching to Bugzilla, I
suppose
I’ll start from now on. But I urge the proponents of this move to
convert the status.xml logic as soon as possible.


Again I agree with Vincent here, that status.xml gets me every time! I 
almost invariably forget to update it, now again, that's my bad but it 
does seem somewhat redundant if all that information is in 
bugzilla/JIRA. I appreciate it's used for release info, but there's 
got to be a better solution.


I'm happy to follow the consensus on this one and I'm glad we've come 
to an agreement.


Yes I think we have consenus. I can start a formal vote if necessary, 
but I don't think it is in this instance.


Thanks,

Chris



Mehdi





Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-19 Thread mehdi houshmand
I know this isn't directly relevant to this tread, but something else to
consider while we're on the subject of JIRA and bug tracking is integration
between SVN and JIRA itself. Having worked a little bit with PDFBox, they
seem to have quite tight integration between the two such that (I think)
JIRA prefixes SVN commits automatically with JIRA IDs (the JIRA number.) I
don't know if this integration comes out the box or whether we need to do
something to get it working, but it seems like a good idea.

Also, I know Jeremias is a PDFBox committer and this applies to anyone else
familiar with these tools, if they could chime in and give us some
suggestions as to either useful tools and/or process best-practices. I
should confess (as has probably been made abundantly obvious from silly
mistakes) I despise SVN and eagerly anticipate the inevitable migration to
a DSCVS of some type (preferably but not exclusively Git.)

I appreciate this may seem like putting the cart before the horse since we
don't really know time-lines for JIRA migration, but it's better to get
this out in the open and iron out these process/workflow protocols well
before we migrate. Maybe we should start a new thread for this? We seem to
be hijacking a commit message...

Mehdi

On 19 July 2012 09:14, Chris Bowditch bowditch_ch...@hotmail.com wrote:

 On 18/07/2012 14:06, mehdi houshmand wrote:

 Hi Mehdi,

  As we've seen this morning, my ineptitude at even basic bureaucracy
 doesn't really qualify me to show a bias to either side, but I'll give my 2
 cents worth since I am a stakeholder in this debate:

 On 18 July 2012 13:17, Vincent Hennebert vhenneb...@gmail.com mailto:
 vhenneb...@gmail.com wrote:

 snip/
 Well, the problem is probably not the lack of a BTS here, it’s
 probably
 the commit message that shouldn’t be that short. And a longer
 description should be in status.xml anyway. Also, I find the list of
 comments that usually appears in Bugzilla entries confusing more than
 anything else. You have to wander through the comments to understand
 what is going on.


 Surely having lots of comments is a good thing? It means there's been a
 discussion about the issue and possibly some conclusion has been come to as
 to how to solve the problem. Even if the comments don't arrive at a
 conclusion, then surely having the discussion would better document nuances
 surrounding any particular issue?


 +1. I totally agree and that's one of the key benefits of using BTS over
 status.xml.



 The only time this can become confusing is if there are disparities in
 the flow of the conversation between bugzilla comments and mailing list
 posts. This doesn't happen very often so I don't really see this as a
 consideration we should be trying to mitigate.


 Yes I agree that is the exception rather than the rule.


  That said, if a bug affects the rendering part of FOP which is not
 really unit-testable at the moment, the commit is unlikely to contain
 any test, so it helps to be able to retrieve an example output on
 Bugzilla. And I suppose that for the sake of consistency, the same
 should be done for layout bugs.


 Agreed! I think whatever we decide, we must be consistent if only to
 prevent confusion. It's easier following one rule for all than it is
 remember and adhering to caveats.

 Since everyone seems to be in favour of switching to Bugzilla, I
 suppose
 I’ll start from now on. But I urge the proponents of this move to
 convert the status.xml logic as soon as possible.


 Again I agree with Vincent here, that status.xml gets me every time! I
 almost invariably forget to update it, now again, that's my bad but it does
 seem somewhat redundant if all that information is in bugzilla/JIRA. I
 appreciate it's used for release info, but there's got to be a better
 solution.

 I'm happy to follow the consensus on this one and I'm glad we've come to
 an agreement.


 Yes I think we have consenus. I can start a formal vote if necessary, but
 I don't think it is in this instance.

 Thanks,

 Chris


 Mehdi






Re: SVN/Jira integration was: [Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-19 Thread Alexios Giotis
Hi Mehdi,

I will continue the hijacking of the commit message . I feel that opening a 
new thread might be disturbing and I don't know if the FOP community is 
interested. I hope I am helping a little to improve the processes and not 
spamming your inbox. I am not familiar with the Apache infrastructure but some 
years ago I updated our own development infrastructure (SVN / Jira / Jenkins / 
Artifactory / Confluence / ...) and are currently migrating from svn to git.

On Jul 19, 2012, at 11:39 AM, mehdi houshmand wrote:

 Having worked a little bit with PDFBox, they seem to have quite tight 
 integration between the two such that (I think) JIRA prefixes SVN commits 
 automatically with JIRA IDs (the JIRA number.) I don't know if this 
 integration comes out the box or whether we need to do something to get it 
 working, but it seems like a good idea.

Actually JIRA has no write access to SVN and is not changing commit messages or 
anything. By looking at SVN [1] and Jira [2], I can tell that PDFBox committers 
are simply following the good practice of prefixing most commits with the 
related Jira issue. I guess that this is now going to be followed by FOP 
committers too. Although all SVN/Jira integration methods search the whole 
commit message for something looking like a Jira issue number, I suggest that 
you agree on a pattern. Two commonly used patterns for commit messages are:

FOP-1: Commit message
[FOP-1] Commit message

We follow the 2nd as we may easily spot it, it is used by other tools (e.g. 
maven release plugin) and it's easier to track it with an SVN post commit hook 
that may reject the commit, send notification emails etc.

[1] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/pdfbox/trunk
[2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PDFBOX

Related to the SVN / Jira integration, all the methods that I know, require 
someone with admin access to the infrastructure, and they are:

** A plugin installed to Jira. It adds an additional tab that shows the commits 
related to the Jira issue, see [3].

** Attlassian FishEye [4]. The Apache Camel project is somehow using it, for 
example scroll a little down and click the Source tab in [5]. Looks good but 
it seams that Attlassian is hosting the service.

** A plugin [6] installed in Jenkins (continuous integration tool) that adds a 
comment in Jira with the revision and the changed files when a new build has 
been created. Strangely [6] is currently showing a random plugin page each time 
refresh the page. If this is happening while you are reading this, use a google 
cached page.

I selected and deployed the plugin for Jenkins because when the comment 
appears, the reporter of the issue knows that she could get and test an updated 
snapshot version of that project. The Apache infrastructure hosts Jenkins at 
[7]. I am a very happy Jenkins (Hudson) user and I recommend it. It should be 
very easy for everyone to set up a FOP build (needs SVN location, ant target 
and a selection of some options).

[3] https://studio.plugins.atlassian.com/wiki/display/SVN/Subversion+JIRA+plugin
[4] http://www.atlassian.com/software/fisheye/overview
[5] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CAMEL-4954
[6] https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/JIRA+Plugin
[7] https://builds.apache.org/



 
 Also, I know Jeremias is a PDFBox committer and this applies to anyone else 
 familiar with these tools, if they could chime in and give us some 
 suggestions as to either useful tools and/or process best-practices. I should 
 confess (as has probably been made abundantly obvious from silly mistakes) I 
 despise SVN and eagerly anticipate the inevitable migration to a DSCVS of 
 some type (preferably but not exclusively Git.)

I have been using git for over a year and have decided to switch most projects 
to git. It seems to be the preferred distributed version control system at the 
Apache foundation as it provides mirrors of the projects [8]. The learning 
curve is steeper compared to other systems but it should be OK with the few and 
experienced FOP developers.

[8] http://git.apache.org/

HTH,
Alexios Giotis



Re: SVN/Jira integration was: [Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-19 Thread mehdi houshmand
Hi Alex,

Thanks for the response, that's been very informative, I think if we
considered SVN/Jenkins integration, it'd make life a lot easier. The more
we can automate, the fewer the mistakes, that's pretty much my only
reasoning, though obviously it'd have to be investigated to come up with a
workflow proposal that everyone agrees with.

As for Jenkins/Git, I absolutely agree, we're users of both and I'm a
staunch advocate of both too. Jenkins has its little quirks (I was going to
say, I wish you could create job templates, but turns out you can [1])
but works like a dream most the time. And Git, well, I kinda like think Git
is to SVN as Linux is to Windows, both get the job done, but once you get
to appreciate what Git does, it just makes life so much easier.

While we're on the subject, if we could use a github (or similar, though I
don't know any other) system where version control, issue/bug tracking,
wikis and forks were all under one roof... Anyways, enough with my pipe
dreams.

Thanks again,

Mehdi

[1] http://blog.cloudbees.com/2012/02/using-jenkins-templates-plugin-to.html

On 19 July 2012 17:09, Alexios Giotis alex.gio...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Mehdi,

 I will continue the hijacking of the commit message . I feel that
 opening a new thread might be disturbing and I don't know if the FOP
 community is interested. I hope I am helping a little to improve the
 processes and not spamming your inbox. I am not familiar with the Apache
 infrastructure but some years ago I updated our own development
 infrastructure (SVN / Jira / Jenkins / Artifactory / Confluence / ...) and
 are currently migrating from svn to git.

 On Jul 19, 2012, at 11:39 AM, mehdi houshmand wrote:

  Having worked a little bit with PDFBox, they seem to have quite tight
 integration between the two such that (I think) JIRA prefixes SVN commits
 automatically with JIRA IDs (the JIRA number.) I don't know if this
 integration comes out the box or whether we need to do something to get it
 working, but it seems like a good idea.

 Actually JIRA has no write access to SVN and is not changing commit
 messages or anything. By looking at SVN [1] and Jira [2], I can tell that
 PDFBox committers are simply following the good practice of prefixing most
 commits with the related Jira issue. I guess that this is now going to be
 followed by FOP committers too. Although all SVN/Jira integration methods
 search the whole commit message for something looking like a Jira issue
 number, I suggest that you agree on a pattern. Two commonly used patterns
 for commit messages are:

 FOP-1: Commit message
 [FOP-1] Commit message

 We follow the 2nd as we may easily spot it, it is used by other tools
 (e.g. maven release plugin) and it's easier to track it with an SVN post
 commit hook that may reject the commit, send notification emails etc.

 [1] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/pdfbox/trunk
 [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PDFBOX

 Related to the SVN / Jira integration, all the methods that I know,
 require someone with admin access to the infrastructure, and they are:

 ** A plugin installed to Jira. It adds an additional tab that shows the
 commits related to the Jira issue, see [3].

 ** Attlassian FishEye [4]. The Apache Camel project is somehow using it,
 for example scroll a little down and click the Source tab in [5]. Looks
 good but it seams that Attlassian is hosting the service.

 ** A plugin [6] installed in Jenkins (continuous integration tool) that
 adds a comment in Jira with the revision and the changed files when a new
 build has been created. Strangely [6] is currently showing a random plugin
 page each time refresh the page. If this is happening while you are reading
 this, use a google cached page.

 I selected and deployed the plugin for Jenkins because when the comment
 appears, the reporter of the issue knows that she could get and test an
 updated snapshot version of that project. The Apache infrastructure hosts
 Jenkins at [7]. I am a very happy Jenkins (Hudson) user and I recommend it.
 It should be very easy for everyone to set up a FOP build (needs SVN
 location, ant target and a selection of some options).

 [3]
 https://studio.plugins.atlassian.com/wiki/display/SVN/Subversion+JIRA+plugin
 [4] http://www.atlassian.com/software/fisheye/overview
 [5] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CAMEL-4954
 [6] https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/JIRA+Plugin
 [7] https://builds.apache.org/



 
  Also, I know Jeremias is a PDFBox committer and this applies to anyone
 else familiar with these tools, if they could chime in and give us some
 suggestions as to either useful tools and/or process best-practices. I
 should confess (as has probably been made abundantly obvious from silly
 mistakes) I despise SVN and eagerly anticipate the inevitable migration to
 a DSCVS of some type (preferably but not exclusively Git.)

 I have been using git for over a year and have decided to switch most
 projects to git. It 

Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-18 Thread Vincent Hennebert
Hi Alexios,

thanks for you input.

On 18/07/12 01:05, Alexios Giotis wrote:
 Hi Vincent,
 
 On Jul 17, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Vincent Hennebert wrote:
 
 On 13/07/12 22:52, Alexios Giotis wrote:
 A change log or release notes can be generated by Jira [1]. For example, 
 [2] is the release notes for Apache PDFBox 1.7. Bug or issue titles (at 
 least) tend to be better, if it is known that the change log is generated 
 by such a system. Glenn wrote very good points. It will help the FOP 
 community if everybody is recording in BZ or Jira substantial changes, 
 whether this is an existing practice or not. 

 An automatically generated change log is definitely desirable. But we
 already have that with status.xml. What else does Bugzilla/JIRA bring?
 
 It improves documentation. For example, I frequently execute svn annotate, 
 read the usually brief commit message and then refer to the bug for more info 
 (and context in my case). I don't like the fact that I have to rely to 
 another system, but it helps, especially for old change sets.

Well, the problem is probably not the lack of a BTS here, it’s probably
the commit message that shouldn’t be that short. And a longer
description should be in status.xml anyway. Also, I find the list of
comments that usually appears in Bugzilla entries confusing more than
anything else. You have to wander through the comments to understand
what is going on.

That said, if a bug affects the rendering part of FOP which is not
really unit-testable at the moment, the commit is unlikely to contain
any test, so it helps to be able to retrieve an example output on
Bugzilla. And I suppose that for the sake of consistency, the same
should be done for layout bugs.

Also, I’m just remembering that we will at some point switch to the
Apache CMS to generate the website and that the status.xml logic may not
be ported there. That’s probably the biggest factor that would push me
to switch to Bugzilla actually.


snip/

 If the end result is to have to very same change log as what is
 generated from status.xml right now, then I’m not sure I see the point.
 
 The end result is to provide a documentation trail. I initially replied to 
 this thread because Jira is not (yet) used in FOP and it happens to provide 
 this feature.
 

 If the community decides to move to a BTS to log changes, I won’t oppose
 it but I will do it reluctantly. Also, I would be even more bothered to
 have to both 1) add an entry to status.xml 2) add a BZ entry. So I would
 suggest that we deprecate status.xml as soon as we make the move, and
 find a way to integrate the new change list to the website.
 
 You are right about deprecating status.xml. I hope that in the long term you 
 will see the benefits of this practice and willingly file bugs (BZ) or create 
 issues (Jira).

Since everyone seems to be in favour of switching to Bugzilla, I suppose
I’ll start from now on. But I urge the proponents of this move to
convert the status.xml logic as soon as possible.


Vincent


Switching to JIRA [was: Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/]

2012-07-18 Thread Vincent Hennebert
On 18/07/12 01:14, Glenn Adams wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Alexios Giotis alex.gio...@gmail.comwrote:
 
 The end result is to provide a documentation trail. I initially replied to
 this thread because Jira is not (yet) used in FOP and it happens to provide
 this feature.
 
 
 FYI, Alex, if you aren't aware of it, the project has already voted to move
 to JIRA, and we are awaiting the infrastructure group to perform the
 conversion. [1]
 
 [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4800

What will happen to the current Bugzilla instance? Will it be closed or
made read-only? If it’s closed the whole purpose of putting the Bugzilla
number in the commit message will be defeated.


Vincent


Re: Switching to JIRA [was: Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/]

2012-07-18 Thread Alexios Giotis

On Jul 18, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Vincent Hennebert wrote:

 On 18/07/12 01:14, Glenn Adams wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Alexios Giotis alex.gio...@gmail.comwrote:
 
 The end result is to provide a documentation trail. I initially replied to
 this thread because Jira is not (yet) used in FOP and it happens to provide
 this feature.
 
 
 FYI, Alex, if you aren't aware of it, the project has already voted to move
 to JIRA, and we are awaiting the infrastructure group to perform the
 conversion. [1]
 
 [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4800
 
 What will happen to the current Bugzilla instance? Will it be closed or
 made read-only? If it’s closed the whole purpose of putting the Bugzilla
 number in the commit message will be defeated.
 
 
 Vincent

The existing bugzilla issues will be migrated to Jira. From what I can see, 
Glenn is following the migration steps written in [1]. Related to step 2 
(Bugzilla data worth it?), Glenn has already answered in INFRA-4800 (2) 
historical data should be retained. 

[1] http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheBugzillaToJiraMigration

Alexios

Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-18 Thread mehdi houshmand
As we've seen this morning, my ineptitude at even basic bureaucracy doesn't
really qualify me to show a bias to either side, but I'll give my 2 cents
worth since I am a stakeholder in this debate:

On 18 July 2012 13:17, Vincent Hennebert vhenneb...@gmail.com wrote:

 snip/
 Well, the problem is probably not the lack of a BTS here, it’s probably
 the commit message that shouldn’t be that short. And a longer
 description should be in status.xml anyway. Also, I find the list of
 comments that usually appears in Bugzilla entries confusing more than
 anything else. You have to wander through the comments to understand
 what is going on.


Surely having lots of comments is a good thing? It means there's been a
discussion about the issue and possibly some conclusion has been come to as
to how to solve the problem. Even if the comments don't arrive at a
conclusion, then surely having the discussion would better document nuances
surrounding any particular issue?

The only time this can become confusing is if there are disparities in the
flow of the conversation between bugzilla comments and mailing list posts.
This doesn't happen very often so I don't really see this as a
consideration we should be trying to mitigate.


 That said, if a bug affects the rendering part of FOP which is not
 really unit-testable at the moment, the commit is unlikely to contain
 any test, so it helps to be able to retrieve an example output on
 Bugzilla. And I suppose that for the sake of consistency, the same
 should be done for layout bugs.


Agreed! I think whatever we decide, we must be consistent if only to
prevent confusion. It's easier following one rule for all than it is
remember and adhering to caveats.


 Since everyone seems to be in favour of switching to Bugzilla, I suppose
 I’ll start from now on. But I urge the proponents of this move to
 convert the status.xml logic as soon as possible.


Again I agree with Vincent here, that status.xml gets me every time! I
almost invariably forget to update it, now again, that's my bad but it does
seem somewhat redundant if all that information is in bugzilla/JIRA. I
appreciate it's used for release info, but there's got to be a better
solution.

I'm happy to follow the consensus on this one and I'm glad we've come to an
agreement.

Mehdi


Re: Switching to JIRA [was: Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/]

2012-07-18 Thread Vincent Hennebert
On 18/07/12 13:46, Alexios Giotis wrote:
 
 On Jul 18, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Vincent Hennebert wrote:
 
 On 18/07/12 01:14, Glenn Adams wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Alexios Giotis 
 alex.gio...@gmail.comwrote:

 The end result is to provide a documentation trail. I initially replied to
 this thread because Jira is not (yet) used in FOP and it happens to provide
 this feature.


 FYI, Alex, if you aren't aware of it, the project has already voted to move
 to JIRA, and we are awaiting the infrastructure group to perform the
 conversion. [1]

 [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4800

 What will happen to the current Bugzilla instance? Will it be closed or
 made read-only? If it’s closed the whole purpose of putting the Bugzilla
 number in the commit message will be defeated.


 Vincent
 
 The existing bugzilla issues will be migrated to Jira. From what I can see, 
 Glenn is following the migration steps written in [1]. Related to step 2 
 (Bugzilla data worth it?), Glenn has already answered in INFRA-4800 (2) 
 historical data should be retained. 
 
 [1] http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheBugzillaToJiraMigration

Thanks for the pointer. At the bottom of the page it’s written that the
Bugzilla instance should be made read-only, which answers my question
I guess.

 
 Alexios
 

Vincent


Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-18 Thread Clay Leeds
OT, but I've made some progress on the CMS. I now have dynamic content working 
(separate header and sidenav for FOP, Batik  XGC). 

More relevant comments below...

On Jul 18, 2012, at 5:17 AM, Vincent Hennebert vhenneb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Alexios,
 
 thanks for you input.
 
 On 18/07/12 01:05, Alexios Giotis wrote:
 Hi Vincent,
 
 On Jul 17, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Vincent Hennebert wrote:
 
 It improves documentation. For example, I frequently execute svn annotate, 
 read the usually brief commit message and then refer to the bug for more 
 info (and context in my case). I don't like the fact that I have to rely to 
 another system, but it helps, especially for old change sets.
 
 Well, the problem is probably not the lack of a BTS here, it’s probably
 the commit message that shouldn’t be that short. And a longer
 description should be in status.xml anyway. Also, I find the list of
 comments that usually appears in Bugzilla entries confusing more than
 anything else. You have to wander through the comments to understand
 what is going on.

Perhaps, if something significant changes, the OP or someone for a bug can 
update the description (e. g., w 'UPDATE:') where they pick out the meat of a 
discussion and stik it in the Description field. 

 That said, if a bug affects the rendering part of FOP which is not
 really unit-testable at the moment, the commit is unlikely to contain
 any test, so it helps to be able to retrieve an example output on
 Bugzilla. And I suppose that for the sake of consistency, the same
 should be done for layout bugs.

I would expect an example attachment of PDFs or Afp, Ps, etc. for layout bugs. 

 Also, I’m just remembering that we will at some point switch to the
 Apache CMS to generate the website and that the status.xml logic may not
 be ported there. That’s probably the biggest factor that would push me
 to switch to Bugzilla actually.

My hope is that the BTS system can output a file for us. I understand that HTML 
files can be inserted, unchanged by the CMS. I plan on something like this for 
Compliance.html. 

 snip/

Clay 

Re: Switching to JIRA [was: Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/]

2012-07-18 Thread Glenn Adams
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Vincent Hennebert vhenneb...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 18/07/12 13:46, Alexios Giotis wrote:
 
  On Jul 18, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Vincent Hennebert wrote:
 
  On 18/07/12 01:14, Glenn Adams wrote:
  On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Alexios Giotis alex.gio...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  The end result is to provide a documentation trail. I initially
 replied to
  this thread because Jira is not (yet) used in FOP and it happens to
 provide
  this feature.
 
 
  FYI, Alex, if you aren't aware of it, the project has already voted to
 move
  to JIRA, and we are awaiting the infrastructure group to perform the
  conversion. [1]
 
  [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4800
 
  What will happen to the current Bugzilla instance? Will it be closed or
  made read-only? If it’s closed the whole purpose of putting the Bugzilla
  number in the commit message will be defeated.
 
 
  Vincent
 
  The existing bugzilla issues will be migrated to Jira. From what I can
 see, Glenn is following the migration steps written in [1]. Related to step
 2 (Bugzilla data worth it?), Glenn has already answered in INFRA-4800 (2)
 historical data should be retained.
 
  [1] http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheBugzillaToJiraMigration

 Thanks for the pointer. At the bottom of the page it’s written that the
 Bugzilla instance should be made read-only, which answers my question
 I guess.


Correct.


Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-17 Thread Chris Bowditch

On 16/07/2012 14:33, Glenn Adams wrote:

Hi Glenn,

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:19 AM, Chris Bowditch 
bowditch_ch...@hotmail.com mailto:bowditch_ch...@hotmail.com wrote:


I'm in favour of changing the policy to always open a
Bugzilla/Jira entry for every bug fixed in FOP. However, it won't
always be possible to upload resources to replicate the issue.
Whilst we can clean any FO Files of senstive data we can't
necessarily do the same for Images, Fonts or other confidential
resources. As long as you can accept that sometimes bugs will be
missing resources required to replicate the issue then I'm +1 for
this policy change.


BTW, I agree with this point, and I was not asking for a BZ entry that 
included all needed to replicate it. That has never been a requirement 
or goal, although, when it is possible to do so without an 
extraordinary effort, it is reasonable to do as a 2nd order task. I'm 
just looking for BZ entries (or equivalent) for substantive 
(non-trivial) code changes to help with tracking. I'll leave it up to 
the committer to decide what is substantive vs trivial. Examples of 
changes I would find trivial: fixing warnings (e.g., checkstyle, etc), 
adding/fixing javadoc or code comments, simple  (non-extensive) code 
refactoring, cleanup, or organization. Common sense should apply.


Thanks Glenn - I just wanted to make sure you were aware of that before 
we commit to changing the policy. I do agree with the points you've 
raised. I make the development teams here have a bug in place before 
making any code changes to FOP or otherwise so fully appreciate the 
benefits that brings around tracking. I'm not sure why that wasn't 
adopted on Apache FOP in the past, but I'm in favour of implementing it, 
so here's my +1


Thanks,

Chris




Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-17 Thread Vincent Hennebert
On 13/07/12 22:52, Alexios Giotis wrote:
 A change log or release notes can be generated by Jira [1]. For example, 
 [2] is the release notes for Apache PDFBox 1.7. Bug or issue titles (at 
 least) tend to be better, if it is known that the change log is generated by 
 such a system. Glenn wrote very good points. It will help the FOP community 
 if everybody is recording in BZ or Jira substantial changes, whether this is 
 an existing practice or not. 

An automatically generated change log is definitely desirable. But we
already have that with status.xml. What else does Bugzilla/JIRA bring?
At the moment, adding an entry to status.xml is easy:
• edit status.xml
• commit it with the rest of the patch

Doing it in a BTS sounds much more cumbersome to me:
• loading the appropriate page in the web browser
• fill in all the appropriate entries for a new bug
• upload a test file illustrating the defect
  • click on the upload button
  • click several times in the ‘Open File’ dialog box to find the test
file on our system
  • click on upload
• click on enter
• ... You get the idea

If the end result is to have to very same change log as what is
generated from status.xml right now, then I’m not sure I see the point.

If the community decides to move to a BTS to log changes, I won’t oppose
it but I will do it reluctantly. Also, I would be even more bothered to
have to both 1) add an entry to status.xml 2) add a BZ entry. So I would
suggest that we deprecate status.xml as soon as we make the move, and
find a way to integrate the new change list to the website.


Vincent


 [1] https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRA/Creating+Release+Notes
 [2] 
 https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12310760version=12316940
 
 Alexios Giotis
 
 On Jul 13, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Vincent Hennebert wrote:
 
 We can decide to change that and use a bug tracking system instead, but
 in the same time we do that we will have to have in place a new
 mechanism to generate the changes [1] page. Also, we will most likely
 have to find a way to feed the BTS with the content of status.xml that
 is not there yet.

 [1] http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/changes.html
 



Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-17 Thread Alexios Giotis
Hi Vincent,

On Jul 17, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Vincent Hennebert wrote:

 On 13/07/12 22:52, Alexios Giotis wrote:
 A change log or release notes can be generated by Jira [1]. For example, 
 [2] is the release notes for Apache PDFBox 1.7. Bug or issue titles (at 
 least) tend to be better, if it is known that the change log is generated by 
 such a system. Glenn wrote very good points. It will help the FOP community 
 if everybody is recording in BZ or Jira substantial changes, whether this is 
 an existing practice or not. 
 
 An automatically generated change log is definitely desirable. But we
 already have that with status.xml. What else does Bugzilla/JIRA bring?

It improves documentation. For example, I frequently execute svn annotate, 
read the usually brief commit message and then refer to the bug for more info 
(and context in my case). I don't like the fact that I have to rely to another 
system, but it helps, especially for old change sets.

 At the moment, adding an entry to status.xml is easy:
 • edit status.xml
 • commit it with the rest of the patch
 
 Doing it in a BTS sounds much more cumbersome to me:
 • loading the appropriate page in the web browser
 • fill in all the appropriate entries for a new bug
 • upload a test file illustrating the defect
  • click on the upload button
  • click several times in the ‘Open File’ dialog box to find the test
file on our system
  • click on upload
 • click on enter
 • ... You get the idea

Yes, filing a bug is definitely much more cumbersome than updating status.xml 
and nobody would like wasting the time of the few experienced developers. But I 
expect it will take less than 15 minutes to file a bug and that this time 
should be small compared to the time spend to make a substantive change. Small 
improvements, javadoc updates, typo fixes, renaming of variables, checkstyle / 
findbug fixes ...  don't deserve a new bug. Test files illustrating the defect 
are not mandatory and in most cases, they are committed as part of the unit 
tests (which are also not mandatory as well but good to have).


 
 If the end result is to have to very same change log as what is
 generated from status.xml right now, then I’m not sure I see the point.

The end result is to provide a documentation trail. I initially replied to this 
thread because Jira is not (yet) used in FOP and it happens to provide this 
feature.

 
 If the community decides to move to a BTS to log changes, I won’t oppose
 it but I will do it reluctantly. Also, I would be even more bothered to
 have to both 1) add an entry to status.xml 2) add a BZ entry. So I would
 suggest that we deprecate status.xml as soon as we make the move, and
 find a way to integrate the new change list to the website.

You are right about deprecating status.xml. I hope that in the long term you 
will see the benefits of this practice and willingly file bugs (BZ) or create 
issues (Jira).

Alexios

 
 
 Vincent
 
 
 [1] https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRA/Creating+Release+Notes
 [2] 
 https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12310760version=12316940
 
 Alexios Giotis
 
 On Jul 13, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Vincent Hennebert wrote:
 
 We can decide to change that and use a bug tracking system instead, but
 in the same time we do that we will have to have in place a new
 mechanism to generate the changes [1] page. Also, we will most likely
 have to find a way to feed the BTS with the content of status.xml that
 is not there yet.
 
 [1] http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/changes.html
 
 



Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-17 Thread Glenn Adams
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Alexios Giotis alex.gio...@gmail.comwrote:

 The end result is to provide a documentation trail. I initially replied to
 this thread because Jira is not (yet) used in FOP and it happens to provide
 this feature.


FYI, Alex, if you aren't aware of it, the project has already voted to move
to JIRA, and we are awaiting the infrastructure group to perform the
conversion. [1]

[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4800


Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-16 Thread Chris Bowditch

On 13/07/2012 09:05, Pascal Sancho wrote:

Hi,


Hi Pascal,



IMHO, using a bugtracker system to list bugfix or changes is a good idea.
But today, the practice in FOP project is to fill this list directly
in the cited page.
We can adopt a new policy here and have a change/bugfix list using
bugtracker facilities.
That could be done when we'll migrate to Jira.
IIUC, Bugzilla entries will be migrated to Jira in the future.
Waiting this migration, we can today begin to systematically fill a
new Bugzilla entry, to keep trace in Jira.


I'm in favour of changing the policy to always open a Bugzilla/Jira 
entry for every bug fixed in FOP. However, it won't always be possible 
to upload resources to replicate the issue. Whilst we can clean any FO 
Files of senstive data we can't necessarily do the same for Images, 
Fonts or other confidential resources. As long as you can accept that 
sometimes bugs will be missing resources required to replicate the issue 
then I'm +1 for this policy change.


Thanks,

Chris



WDYT?


2012/7/12 Glenn Adams gl...@skynav.com:

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Vincent Hennebert vhenneb...@gmail.com
wrote:

On 12/07/12 16:17, Glenn Adams wrote:

If there is no bug entry in bugzilla, then there is/was no bug. Since
this
is clearly a bug fix, there should be a documentation trail through the
bug
database. So please create an entry and do so in the future. The
status.xml
document is only an informal paraphrase of bug database entries, and
should
not be considered the authoritative list of bugs.

Well it /is/ authoritative, in the sense that its content is used to
display the list of changes on the website:
http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/changes.html


The fact that status.xml makes reference to bugzilla entries, and not the
other way around shows the latter is more authoritative than the former.




As long as it’s the case, duplicating entries in Bugzilla is just
a waste of time.


Not it isn't. It is good time spent to document the work on FOP/XGC, etc.
Others are doing this, so you should follow suit and not be remiss in your
duties.



Once that status.xml has been deprecated and an other mechanism
implemented to extract the list of changes from Bugzilla and display
them on the website, I’ll certainly start creating entries in Bugzilla.
In the meantime, I don’t see the point of doing both.

Unless, again, I’m missing something.


It's a matter of following best current practice. Failing to record in BZ is
not following BCP.









Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-16 Thread Glenn Adams
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:19 AM, Chris Bowditch
bowditch_ch...@hotmail.comwrote:

 I'm in favour of changing the policy to always open a Bugzilla/Jira entry
 for every bug fixed in FOP. However, it won't always be possible to upload
 resources to replicate the issue. Whilst we can clean any FO Files of
 senstive data we can't necessarily do the same for Images, Fonts or other
 confidential resources. As long as you can accept that sometimes bugs will
 be missing resources required to replicate the issue then I'm +1 for this
 policy change.


BTW, I agree with this point, and I was not asking for a BZ entry that
included all needed to replicate it. That has never been a requirement or
goal, although, when it is possible to do so without an extraordinary
effort, it is reasonable to do as a 2nd order task. I'm just looking for BZ
entries (or equivalent) for substantive (non-trivial) code changes to help
with tracking. I'll leave it up to the committer to decide what is
substantive vs trivial. Examples of changes I would find trivial: fixing
warnings (e.g., checkstyle, etc), adding/fixing javadoc or code comments,
simple  (non-extensive) code refactoring, cleanup, or organization. Common
sense should apply.


Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-13 Thread Pascal Sancho
Hi,

IMHO, using a bugtracker system to list bugfix or changes is a good idea.
But today, the practice in FOP project is to fill this list directly
in the cited page.
We can adopt a new policy here and have a change/bugfix list using
bugtracker facilities.
That could be done when we'll migrate to Jira.
IIUC, Bugzilla entries will be migrated to Jira in the future.
Waiting this migration, we can today begin to systematically fill a
new Bugzilla entry, to keep trace in Jira.

WDYT?


2012/7/12 Glenn Adams gl...@skynav.com:

 On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Vincent Hennebert vhenneb...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On 12/07/12 16:17, Glenn Adams wrote:
  If there is no bug entry in bugzilla, then there is/was no bug. Since
  this
  is clearly a bug fix, there should be a documentation trail through the
  bug
  database. So please create an entry and do so in the future. The
  status.xml
  document is only an informal paraphrase of bug database entries, and
  should
  not be considered the authoritative list of bugs.

 Well it /is/ authoritative, in the sense that its content is used to
 display the list of changes on the website:
 http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/changes.html


 The fact that status.xml makes reference to bugzilla entries, and not the
 other way around shows the latter is more authoritative than the former.




 As long as it’s the case, duplicating entries in Bugzilla is just
 a waste of time.


 Not it isn't. It is good time spent to document the work on FOP/XGC, etc.
 Others are doing this, so you should follow suit and not be remiss in your
 duties.



 Once that status.xml has been deprecated and an other mechanism
 implemented to extract the list of changes from Bugzilla and display
 them on the website, I’ll certainly start creating entries in Bugzilla.
 In the meantime, I don’t see the point of doing both.

 Unless, again, I’m missing something.


 It's a matter of following best current practice. Failing to record in BZ is
 not following BCP.




-- 
pascal


Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-13 Thread Glenn Adams
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Pascal Sancho psancho@gmail.comwrote:

 IMHO, using a bugtracker system to list bugfix or changes is a good idea.
 But today, the practice in FOP project is to fill this list directly
 in the cited page.
 We can adopt a new policy here and have a change/bugfix list using
 bugtracker facilities.
 That could be done when we'll migrate to Jira.
 IIUC, Bugzilla entries will be migrated to Jira in the future.
 Waiting this migration, we can today begin to systematically fill a
 new Bugzilla entry, to keep trace in Jira.


Thanks, yes, I agree with this, but I don't think I'm suggesting a new
policy. We have a policy today of telling the community to report bugs in
BZ, then we make fixes and close (or reject) those bug reports, where fixes
change the code base and the bug is closed and a entry made in status.xml.

When we committers make changes that are essentially bug fixes (as opposed
to minor cleanup), then we should not bypass this existing, accepted
practice, because doing so creates unnecessary exceptions in our
documentation and process trail. In other words, let's be consistent, and
document bugs we fix independently in the same fashion as when those bugs
are first reported by the community.

I think this is a reasonable process and should not be contravened for the
sake of expediency.

G.


Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-13 Thread Pascal Sancho
I'm ok with that, but all fop team should be convinced...
So debate (if that need to discuss) is open ;-)


2012/7/13 Glenn Adams gl...@skynav.com:

 On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Pascal Sancho psancho@gmail.com
 wrote:

 IMHO, using a bugtracker system to list bugfix or changes is a good idea.
 But today, the practice in FOP project is to fill this list directly
 in the cited page.
 We can adopt a new policy here and have a change/bugfix list using
 bugtracker facilities.
 That could be done when we'll migrate to Jira.
 IIUC, Bugzilla entries will be migrated to Jira in the future.
 Waiting this migration, we can today begin to systematically fill a
 new Bugzilla entry, to keep trace in Jira.


 Thanks, yes, I agree with this, but I don't think I'm suggesting a new
 policy. We have a policy today of telling the community to report bugs in
 BZ, then we make fixes and close (or reject) those bug reports, where fixes
 change the code base and the bug is closed and a entry made in status.xml.

 When we committers make changes that are essentially bug fixes (as opposed
 to minor cleanup), then we should not bypass this existing, accepted
 practice, because doing so creates unnecessary exceptions in our
 documentation and process trail. In other words, let's be consistent, and
 document bugs we fix independently in the same fashion as when those bugs
 are first reported by the community.

 I think this is a reasonable process and should not be contravened for the
 sake of expediency.

 G.





-- 
pascal


Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-13 Thread Vincent Hennebert
On 13/07/12 14:07, Glenn Adams wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Pascal Sancho psancho@gmail.comwrote:
 
 IMHO, using a bugtracker system to list bugfix or changes is a good idea.
 But today, the practice in FOP project is to fill this list directly
 in the cited page.
 We can adopt a new policy here and have a change/bugfix list using
 bugtracker facilities.
 That could be done when we'll migrate to Jira.
 IIUC, Bugzilla entries will be migrated to Jira in the future.
 Waiting this migration, we can today begin to systematically fill a
 new Bugzilla entry, to keep trace in Jira.

 
 Thanks, yes, I agree with this, but I don't think I'm suggesting a new
 policy. We have a policy today of telling the community to report bugs in
 BZ, then we make fixes and close (or reject) those bug reports, where fixes
 change the code base and the bug is closed and a entry made in status.xml.

We’ve never had such a policy. In fact, it happened several times in the
past that a bug fix was committed straight away after it had been raised
on fop-users.

We ask users to file a Bugzilla entry only when we can’t look at the
issue immediately, in order to keep track of it.

status.xml has always been better kept up-to-date than Bugzilla. Since
it contains information that is not in Bugzilla, it is more important.

We can decide to change that and use a bug tracking system instead, but
in the same time we do that we will have to have in place a new
mechanism to generate the changes [1] page. Also, we will most likely
have to find a way to feed the BTS with the content of status.xml that
is not there yet.

[1] http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/changes.html


 When we committers make changes that are essentially bug fixes (as opposed
 to minor cleanup), then we should not bypass this existing, accepted
 practice, because doing so creates unnecessary exceptions in our
 documentation and process trail. In other words, let's be consistent, and
 document bugs we fix independently in the same fashion as when those bugs
 are first reported by the community.
 
 I think this is a reasonable process and should not be contravened for the
 sake of expediency.
 
 G.

Vincent



Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-13 Thread Glenn Adams
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Vincent Hennebert vhenneb...@gmail.comwrote:

 We can decide to change that and use a bug tracking system instead, but
 in the same time we do that we will have to have in place a new
 mechanism to generate the changes [1] page. Also, we will most likely
 have to find a way to feed the BTS with the content of status.xml that
 is not there yet.


The two issues are not necessarily connected: we don't need to wait until
we are generating status/changes from the BTS to make entries in BZ when we
make fixes. We can do the latter now without any other action. That's all
I'm asking be done now. The other can wait, perhaps best done after
infrastructure has transitioned us to JIRA.


Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-13 Thread Alexios Giotis
A change log or release notes can be generated by Jira [1]. For example, [2] 
is the release notes for Apache PDFBox 1.7. Bug or issue titles (at least) tend 
to be better, if it is known that the change log is generated by such a system. 
Glenn wrote very good points. It will help the FOP community if everybody is 
recording in BZ or Jira substantial changes, whether this is an existing 
practice or not. 

[1] https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRA/Creating+Release+Notes
[2] 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12310760version=12316940

Alexios Giotis

On Jul 13, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Vincent Hennebert wrote:

 We can decide to change that and use a bug tracking system instead, but
 in the same time we do that we will have to have in place a new
 mechanism to generate the changes [1] page. Also, we will most likely
 have to find a way to feed the BTS with the content of status.xml that
 is not there yet.
 
 [1] http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/changes.html



Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-12 Thread Glenn Adams
Is this addressing a specific bug? If not, then please enter a bug and
update the status to ensure this association for documentation and release
notes tracking purposes.

Also, I notice you left a printf in place below.  Is that intentional? If
so, then I would suggest using something other than printf.

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 7:25 AM, vhenneb...@apache.org wrote:

 Author: vhennebert
 Date: Thu Jul 12 13:25:34 2012
 New Revision: 1360665

 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1360665view=rev
 Log:
 Bugfix: When restarting layout for the last page, discard glues and
 penalties at the beginning of the restarted Knuth sequence.

 Modified:

 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/AbstractBreaker.java

 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/BreakingAlgorithm.java

 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/KnuthSequence.java

 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/PageBreaker.java
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/status.xml

 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/IFParserTestCase.java

 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/LayoutEngineTestUtils.java

 Modified:
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/AbstractBreaker.java
 URL:
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/AbstractBreaker.java?rev=1360665r1=1360664r2=1360665view=diff

 ==
 ---
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/AbstractBreaker.java
 (original)
 +++
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/AbstractBreaker.java
 Thu Jul 12 13:25:34 2012
 @@ -492,7 +492,6 @@ public abstract class AbstractBreaker {
  protected void addAreas(PageBreakingAlgorithm alg, int startPart, int
 partCount,
  BlockSequence originalList, BlockSequence effectiveList) {
  LayoutContext childLC;
 -// add areas
  int startElementIndex = 0;
  int endElementIndex = 0;
  int lastBreak = -1;
 @@ -550,12 +549,7 @@ public abstract class AbstractBreaker {

  // ignore KnuthGlue and KnuthPenalty objects
  // at the beginning of the line
 -ListIteratorKnuthElement effectiveListIterator
 -= effectiveList.listIterator(startElementIndex);
 -while (effectiveListIterator.hasNext()
 - !(effectiveListIterator.next()).isBox()) {
 -startElementIndex++;
 -}
 +startElementIndex =
 alg.par.getFirstBoxIndex(startElementIndex);

  if (startElementIndex = endElementIndex) {
  if (log.isDebugEnabled()) {
 @@ -576,7 +570,9 @@ public abstract class AbstractBreaker {
   p  (partCount - 1)) {
  // count the boxes whose width is not 0
  int boxCount = 0;
 -effectiveListIterator =
 effectiveList.listIterator(startElementIndex);
 +@SuppressWarnings(unchecked)
 +ListIteratorKnuthElement effectiveListIterator =
 effectiveList
 +.listIterator(startElementIndex);
  while (effectiveListIterator.nextIndex() =
 endElementIndex) {
  KnuthElement tempEl =
 effectiveListIterator.next();
  if (tempEl.isBox()  tempEl.getWidth()  0) {

 Modified:
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/BreakingAlgorithm.java
 URL:
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/BreakingAlgorithm.java?rev=1360665r1=1360664r2=1360665view=diff

 ==
 ---
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/BreakingAlgorithm.java
 (original)
 +++
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/BreakingAlgorithm.java
 Thu Jul 12 13:25:34 2012
 @@ -532,14 +532,15 @@ public abstract class BreakingAlgorithm
  // index of the first KnuthBox in the sequence, in case of
 non-centered
  // alignment. For centered alignment, we need to take into
 account preceding
  // penalties+glues used for the filler spaces
 -int firstBoxIndex = startIndex;
 +int previousPosition = startIndex;
  if (alignment != Constants.EN_CENTER) {
 -firstBoxIndex = par.getFirstBoxIndex(startIndex);
 +int firstBoxIndex = par.getFirstBoxIndex(startIndex);
 +previousPosition = (firstBoxIndex = par.size()) ? startIndex
 : firstBoxIndex - 1;
  }
 -firstBoxIndex = (firstBoxIndex  0) ? 0 : firstBoxIndex;
 +previousPosition = (previousPosition  0) ? 0 : previousPosition;

  // create an active node representing the starting point
 -addNode(0, createNode(firstBoxIndex, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0,
 0, null));
 +addNode(0, 

Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-12 Thread Vincent Hennebert
On 12/07/12 14:37, Glenn Adams wrote:
 Is this addressing a specific bug? If not, then please enter a bug and
 update the status to ensure this association for documentation and release
 notes tracking purposes.

I added an entry in the status.xml file.


 Also, I notice you left a printf in place below.  Is that intentional? If
 so, then I would suggest using something other than printf.

It’s intentional, to have the association between test index and test
file when investigating failing test cases.


Vincent



 On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 7:25 AM, vhennebert wrote:
 
 Author: vhennebert
 Date: Thu Jul 12 13:25:34 2012
 New Revision: 1360665

 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1360665view=rev
 Log:
 Bugfix: When restarting layout for the last page, discard glues and
 penalties at the beginning of the restarted Knuth sequence.

 Modified:

 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/AbstractBreaker.java

 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/BreakingAlgorithm.java

 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/KnuthSequence.java

 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/PageBreaker.java
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/status.xml

 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/IFParserTestCase.java

 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/LayoutEngineTestUtils.java

 Modified:
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/AbstractBreaker.java
 URL:
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/AbstractBreaker.java?rev=1360665r1=1360664r2=1360665view=diff

 ==
 ---
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/AbstractBreaker.java
 (original)
 +++
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/AbstractBreaker.java
 Thu Jul 12 13:25:34 2012
 @@ -492,7 +492,6 @@ public abstract class AbstractBreaker {
  protected void addAreas(PageBreakingAlgorithm alg, int startPart, int
 partCount,
  BlockSequence originalList, BlockSequence effectiveList) {
  LayoutContext childLC;
 -// add areas
  int startElementIndex = 0;
  int endElementIndex = 0;
  int lastBreak = -1;
 @@ -550,12 +549,7 @@ public abstract class AbstractBreaker {

  // ignore KnuthGlue and KnuthPenalty objects
  // at the beginning of the line
 -ListIteratorKnuthElement effectiveListIterator
 -= effectiveList.listIterator(startElementIndex);
 -while (effectiveListIterator.hasNext()
 - !(effectiveListIterator.next()).isBox()) {
 -startElementIndex++;
 -}
 +startElementIndex =
 alg.par.getFirstBoxIndex(startElementIndex);

  if (startElementIndex = endElementIndex) {
  if (log.isDebugEnabled()) {
 @@ -576,7 +570,9 @@ public abstract class AbstractBreaker {
   p  (partCount - 1)) {
  // count the boxes whose width is not 0
  int boxCount = 0;
 -effectiveListIterator =
 effectiveList.listIterator(startElementIndex);
 +@SuppressWarnings(unchecked)
 +ListIteratorKnuthElement effectiveListIterator =
 effectiveList
 +.listIterator(startElementIndex);
  while (effectiveListIterator.nextIndex() =
 endElementIndex) {
  KnuthElement tempEl =
 effectiveListIterator.next();
  if (tempEl.isBox()  tempEl.getWidth()  0) {

 Modified:
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/BreakingAlgorithm.java
 URL:
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/BreakingAlgorithm.java?rev=1360665r1=1360664r2=1360665view=diff

 ==
 ---
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/BreakingAlgorithm.java
 (original)
 +++
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/BreakingAlgorithm.java
 Thu Jul 12 13:25:34 2012
 @@ -532,14 +532,15 @@ public abstract class BreakingAlgorithm
  // index of the first KnuthBox in the sequence, in case of
 non-centered
  // alignment. For centered alignment, we need to take into
 account preceding
  // penalties+glues used for the filler spaces
 -int firstBoxIndex = startIndex;
 +int previousPosition = startIndex;
  if (alignment != Constants.EN_CENTER) {
 -firstBoxIndex = par.getFirstBoxIndex(startIndex);
 +int firstBoxIndex = par.getFirstBoxIndex(startIndex);
 +previousPosition = (firstBoxIndex = par.size()) ? startIndex
 : firstBoxIndex - 1;
  }
 -firstBoxIndex = (firstBoxIndex  0) ? 0 : firstBoxIndex;
 +previousPosition = (previousPosition  

Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-12 Thread Glenn Adams
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Vincent Hennebert vhenneb...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 12/07/12 14:37, Glenn Adams wrote:
  Is this addressing a specific bug? If not, then please enter a bug and
  update the status to ensure this association for documentation and
 release
  notes tracking purposes.

 I added an entry in the status.xml file.


Yes, I noticed. But there is no bug #.  There should be a documented bug
against every non-trivial substantive fix of this nature.



  Also, I notice you left a printf in place below.  Is that intentional? If
  so, then I would suggest using something other than printf.

 It’s intentional, to have the association between test index and test
 file when investigating failing test cases.


 Vincent



  On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 7:25 AM, vhennebert wrote:
 
  Author: vhennebert
  Date: Thu Jul 12 13:25:34 2012
  New Revision: 1360665
 
  URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1360665view=rev
  Log:
  Bugfix: When restarting layout for the last page, discard glues and
  penalties at the beginning of the restarted Knuth sequence.
 
  Modified:
 
 
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/AbstractBreaker.java
 
 
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/BreakingAlgorithm.java
 
 
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/KnuthSequence.java
 
  xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/PageBreaker.java
  xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/status.xml
 
 
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/IFParserTestCase.java
 
 
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/LayoutEngineTestUtils.java
 
  Modified:
 
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/AbstractBreaker.java
  URL:
 
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/AbstractBreaker.java?rev=1360665r1=1360664r2=1360665view=diff
 
 
 ==
  ---
 
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/AbstractBreaker.java
  (original)
  +++
 
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/AbstractBreaker.java
  Thu Jul 12 13:25:34 2012
  @@ -492,7 +492,6 @@ public abstract class AbstractBreaker {
   protected void addAreas(PageBreakingAlgorithm alg, int startPart,
 int
  partCount,
   BlockSequence originalList, BlockSequence effectiveList) {
   LayoutContext childLC;
  -// add areas
   int startElementIndex = 0;
   int endElementIndex = 0;
   int lastBreak = -1;
  @@ -550,12 +549,7 @@ public abstract class AbstractBreaker {
 
   // ignore KnuthGlue and KnuthPenalty objects
   // at the beginning of the line
  -ListIteratorKnuthElement effectiveListIterator
  -= effectiveList.listIterator(startElementIndex);
  -while (effectiveListIterator.hasNext()
  - !(effectiveListIterator.next()).isBox()) {
  -startElementIndex++;
  -}
  +startElementIndex =
  alg.par.getFirstBoxIndex(startElementIndex);
 
   if (startElementIndex = endElementIndex) {
   if (log.isDebugEnabled()) {
  @@ -576,7 +570,9 @@ public abstract class AbstractBreaker {
p  (partCount - 1)) {
   // count the boxes whose width is not 0
   int boxCount = 0;
  -effectiveListIterator =
  effectiveList.listIterator(startElementIndex);
  +@SuppressWarnings(unchecked)
  +ListIteratorKnuthElement effectiveListIterator =
  effectiveList
  +.listIterator(startElementIndex);
   while (effectiveListIterator.nextIndex() =
  endElementIndex) {
   KnuthElement tempEl =
  effectiveListIterator.next();
   if (tempEl.isBox()  tempEl.getWidth()  0) {
 
  Modified:
 
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/BreakingAlgorithm.java
  URL:
 
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/BreakingAlgorithm.java?rev=1360665r1=1360664r2=1360665view=diff
 
 
 ==
  ---
 
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/BreakingAlgorithm.java
  (original)
  +++
 
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/BreakingAlgorithm.java
  Thu Jul 12 13:25:34 2012
  @@ -532,14 +532,15 @@ public abstract class BreakingAlgorithm
   // index of the first KnuthBox in the sequence, in case of
  non-centered
   // alignment. For centered alignment, we need to take into
  account preceding
   // penalties+glues used for the filler spaces
  -int firstBoxIndex = startIndex;
  +int previousPosition = startIndex;
   if (alignment != Constants.EN_CENTER) {
  -

Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-12 Thread Vincent Hennebert
On 12/07/12 14:47, Glenn Adams wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Vincent Hennebert 
 vhenneb...@gmail.comwrote:
 
 On 12/07/12 14:37, Glenn Adams wrote:
 Is this addressing a specific bug? If not, then please enter a bug and
 update the status to ensure this association for documentation and
 release
 notes tracking purposes.

 I added an entry in the status.xml file.

 
 Yes, I noticed. But there is no bug #.  There should be a documented bug
 against every non-trivial substantive fix of this nature.

Why? As long as the status.xml file is the authoritative list of bug
fixes and implemented features, adding an entry to Bugzilla is just
redundant paperwork I’m not keen on doing. Unless I missed something, of
course...


 Also, I notice you left a printf in place below.  Is that 
 intentional? If
 so, then I would suggest using something other than printf.

 It’s intentional, to have the association between test index and test
 file when investigating failing test cases.


 Vincent



 On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 7:25 AM, vhennebert wrote:

 Author: vhennebert
 Date: Thu Jul 12 13:25:34 2012
 New Revision: 1360665

 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1360665view=rev
 Log:
 Bugfix: When restarting layout for the last page, discard glues and
 penalties at the beginning of the restarted Knuth sequence.

 Modified:


 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/AbstractBreaker.java


 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/BreakingAlgorithm.java


 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/KnuthSequence.java

 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/PageBreaker.java
 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/status.xml


 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/IFParserTestCase.java


 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/LayoutEngineTestUtils.java

 Modified:

 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/AbstractBreaker.java
 URL:

 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/AbstractBreaker.java?rev=1360665r1=1360664r2=1360665view=diff


 ==
 ---

 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/AbstractBreaker.java
 (original)
 +++

 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/AbstractBreaker.java
 Thu Jul 12 13:25:34 2012
 @@ -492,7 +492,6 @@ public abstract class AbstractBreaker {
  protected void addAreas(PageBreakingAlgorithm alg, int startPart,
 int
 partCount,
  BlockSequence originalList, BlockSequence effectiveList) {
  LayoutContext childLC;
 -// add areas
  int startElementIndex = 0;
  int endElementIndex = 0;
  int lastBreak = -1;
 @@ -550,12 +549,7 @@ public abstract class AbstractBreaker {

  // ignore KnuthGlue and KnuthPenalty objects
  // at the beginning of the line
 -ListIteratorKnuthElement effectiveListIterator
 -= effectiveList.listIterator(startElementIndex);
 -while (effectiveListIterator.hasNext()
 - !(effectiveListIterator.next()).isBox()) {
 -startElementIndex++;
 -}
 +startElementIndex =
 alg.par.getFirstBoxIndex(startElementIndex);

  if (startElementIndex = endElementIndex) {
  if (log.isDebugEnabled()) {
 @@ -576,7 +570,9 @@ public abstract class AbstractBreaker {
   p  (partCount - 1)) {
  // count the boxes whose width is not 0
  int boxCount = 0;
 -effectiveListIterator =
 effectiveList.listIterator(startElementIndex);
 +@SuppressWarnings(unchecked)
 +ListIteratorKnuthElement effectiveListIterator =
 effectiveList
 +.listIterator(startElementIndex);
  while (effectiveListIterator.nextIndex() =
 endElementIndex) {
  KnuthElement tempEl =
 effectiveListIterator.next();
  if (tempEl.isBox()  tempEl.getWidth()  0) {

 Modified:

 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/BreakingAlgorithm.java
 URL:

 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/BreakingAlgorithm.java?rev=1360665r1=1360664r2=1360665view=diff


 ==
 ---

 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/BreakingAlgorithm.java
 (original)
 +++

 xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/BreakingAlgorithm.java
 Thu Jul 12 13:25:34 2012
 @@ -532,14 +532,15 @@ public abstract class BreakingAlgorithm
  // index of the first KnuthBox in the sequence, in case of
 non-centered
  // alignment. For centered alignment, we need to take into
 account preceding
  // penalties+glues used for the 

Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-12 Thread Glenn Adams
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Vincent Hennebert vhenneb...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 12/07/12 14:47, Glenn Adams wrote:
  On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Vincent Hennebert vhenneb...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  On 12/07/12 14:37, Glenn Adams wrote:
  Is this addressing a specific bug? If not, then please enter a bug and
  update the status to ensure this association for documentation and
  release
  notes tracking purposes.
 
  I added an entry in the status.xml file.
 
 
  Yes, I noticed. But there is no bug #.  There should be a documented bug
  against every non-trivial substantive fix of this nature.

 Why? As long as the status.xml file is the authoritative list of bug
 fixes and implemented features, adding an entry to Bugzilla is just
 redundant paperwork I’m not keen on doing. Unless I missed something, of
 course...


If there is no bug entry in bugzilla, then there is/was no bug. Since this
is clearly a bug fix, there should be a documentation trail through the bug
database. So please create an entry and do so in the future. The status.xml
document is only an informal paraphrase of bug database entries, and should
not be considered the authoritative list of bugs.


Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-12 Thread Vincent Hennebert
On 12/07/12 16:17, Glenn Adams wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Vincent Hennebert 
 vhenneb...@gmail.comwrote:
 
 On 12/07/12 14:47, Glenn Adams wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Vincent Hennebert vhenneb...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On 12/07/12 14:37, Glenn Adams wrote:
 Is this addressing a specific bug? If not, then please enter a bug and
 update the status to ensure this association for documentation and
 release
 notes tracking purposes.

 I added an entry in the status.xml file.


 Yes, I noticed. But there is no bug #.  There should be a documented bug
 against every non-trivial substantive fix of this nature.

 Why? As long as the status.xml file is the authoritative list of bug
 fixes and implemented features, adding an entry to Bugzilla is just
 redundant paperwork I’m not keen on doing. Unless I missed something, of
 course...

 
 If there is no bug entry in bugzilla, then there is/was no bug. Since this
 is clearly a bug fix, there should be a documentation trail through the bug
 database. So please create an entry and do so in the future. The status.xml
 document is only an informal paraphrase of bug database entries, and should
 not be considered the authoritative list of bugs.

Well it /is/ authoritative, in the sense that its content is used to
display the list of changes on the website:
http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/changes.html

As long as it’s the case, duplicating entries in Bugzilla is just
a waste of time.

Once that status.xml has been deprecated and an other mechanism
implemented to extract the list of changes from Bugzilla and display
them on the website, I’ll certainly start creating entries in Bugzilla.
In the meantime, I don’t see the point of doing both.

Unless, again, I’m missing something.

Does that make sense?
Vincent


Re: svn commit: r1360665 - in /xmlgraphics/fop/trunk: ./ src/java/org/apache/fop/layoutmgr/ test/java/org/apache/fop/intermediate/ test/java/org/apache/fop/layoutengine/

2012-07-12 Thread Glenn Adams
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Vincent Hennebert vhenneb...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 12/07/12 16:17, Glenn Adams wrote:
  If there is no bug entry in bugzilla, then there is/was no bug. Since
 this
  is clearly a bug fix, there should be a documentation trail through the
 bug
  database. So please create an entry and do so in the future. The
 status.xml
  document is only an informal paraphrase of bug database entries, and
 should
  not be considered the authoritative list of bugs.

 Well it /is/ authoritative, in the sense that its content is used to
 display the list of changes on the website:
 http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/changes.html


The fact that status.xml makes reference to bugzilla entries, and not the
other way around shows the latter is more authoritative than the former.




 As long as it’s the case, duplicating entries in Bugzilla is just
 a waste of time.


Not it isn't. It is good time spent to document the work on FOP/XGC, etc.
Others are doing this, so you should follow suit and not be remiss in your
duties.



 Once that status.xml has been deprecated and an other mechanism
 implemented to extract the list of changes from Bugzilla and display
 them on the website, I’ll certainly start creating entries in Bugzilla.
 In the meantime, I don’t see the point of doing both.

 Unless, again, I’m missing something.


It's a matter of following best current practice. Failing to record in BZ
is not following BCP.